Lost: Season 5

[WampusCrandle]

locke's not dead.

and the baby has black hair, i'd bet the baby was probably miles, miles seems to believe he has some insight on the island.

And desmond has changed "the future" he apparently saved charlies life quite a few times, also if desmond had met farraday while he was in the army, he would've recognized him outside of the hatch.

I think most people assume that sun blames ben for blowing up the ship....but there's no way for sun to know he had anything to do with the ships explosion.... and jack has stated that she blames him for the explosion, so why not believe sun is working with widmore and has told him that kate isn't Erin's mother.

And seeing the orchid station built, i'm interested in seeing wtf happened to it..

Also when exactly US military were present on the island and for what reason... maybe thats where the army issue knife came from?

do you mean that he isn't dead back then, or in the flash forwards?

the baby in the beginning belongs to the asian guy in the Dharma Initiative videos.

i think Sun could find out that Ben was the reason behind the explosion, since we know that Michael was hired by Ben to blow up the ship. i thought she knew who Ben's agent was on the ship.

[disneyspy]

just watched the openin credits again on both episodes daniel day kim is listed on both even tho he didnt appear in either eppy,jins not dead.michelle rodriguez was a special guest appearance.i'll say jin got blowv off the boat and came to as the copter was leavin.we know they could see the burnin boa tfrom the island so maybe it was in the radius of the shift,maybe he'll find some debris to float back to the island on,hes already washed ashore once and desmond said they lived in a snowglobe the time he ended back on the island.locke's not dead,ben wouldnt answer jacks question bout it

[disneyspy]

i think Sun could find out that Ben was the reason behind the explosion, since we know that Michael was hired by Ben to blow up the ship. i thought she knew who Ben's agent was on the ship.

that wasnt micheal's bomb that blew up the ship,it was the mercenaries heart monitor attached bomb

[K.C.]

And desmond has changed "the future" he apparently saved charlies life quite a few times, also if desmond had met farraday while he was in the army, he would've recognized him outside of the hatch.


Desmond would not have recognized Faraday, because they live their lives, on their timelines differently.

It's akin to Billy Pilgrim in Slaughterhouse Five....they bounce from point to point in their lives. They don't live linearly. Certain memories trigger at certain points. It's the same reason Faraday didn't remember that he had already met Desmond at Oxford in 1996 when he talked to him on the island.

In fact, Desmond attempted to change the future and failed when he went back to the point in his life where he met Ms. Hawkings.

And Charlie still died. It's impossible to tell (at least at this point) whether Desmond altered the future the times he saved him, or whether he was always suppose to save Charlie to get him to the point to turn off the switch in The Looking Glass.

I'm not saying Desmond may not ever be able to change the future...it's possible that he's always been able to, but has thought better of it, and there in lies the task of people like Ben, Ms. Hawkings, etc...to prevent time from being altered by the people who can change it.

Remember, Ms. Hawkings had to work feverishly to implant the doubt in Desmond's mind to get him to dump Penny and start him on his path to the island.

[K.C.]

i think Sun could find out that Ben was the reason behind the explosion, since we know that Michael was hired by Ben to blow up the ship. i thought she knew who Ben's agent was on the ship.

I don't know how she could, unless Locke visted her and told her while he was off the island.

I would kind of assume that she blamed Ben because those people were always looking for him, and because he undermined their escape attempts so many times before the whole freighter incident.

But, now that I think of it, Locke planting that seed of doubt by telling her Ben is responsible for Jin's death makes a lot of sense.

Locke has to figure out a way to get everyone back together. And I don't believe for a second that the last time Ben saw Locke was in the Orchid Station. I would wager that Ben is the first person Locke sees when he finally leaves the island.

It's very possible that they hatched the plan together.

[K.C.]

just watched the openin credits again on both episodes daniel day kim is listed on both even tho he didnt appear in either eppy,jins not dead.michelle rodriguez was a special guest appearance.i'll say jin got blowv off the boat and came to as the copter was leavin.we know they could see the burnin boa tfrom the island so maybe it was in the radius of the shift,maybe he'll find some debris to float back to the island on,hes already washed ashore once and desmond said they lived in a snowglobe the time he ended back on the island.locke's not dead,ben wouldnt answer jacks question bout it

I wouldn't read too much into the credits.

He could still be on the show and still be dead. Christian's been dead the entire span of the series.

Jin being alive makes no sense, because one of the first things Daniel says in the premiere is that the freighter wreckage didn't go with the island.

So let's suppose Jin survived the explosion (which I don't believe). He still would have drowned. It's impossible for me to believe that he somehow survived, got picked up by someone in the real world, and has been in hiding, not even seeing his wife, for the last three years.

He's dead.

...that is, unless everything that's been happening is an alternate timeline (which would mean the future was changed at some point). Then he could still be alive on the original timeline.

[WampusCrandle]

that wasnt micheal's bomb that blew up the ship,it was the mercenaries heart monitor attached bomb

but Michael's mission was to blow up the ship. he had his own bomb that was sent ahead of time. yes, he used another bomb, but it was his mission.

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You'll have to explain to us how michael stabbed keamy and set off keamys bomb then, cause what you're saying makes no sense.

If anything it seems that michael delayed keamys bomb blowing up, which makes you wonder if when he was finally allowed to die it was because the helicopter had made it back to the ship?

Which would mean that someone aboard the chopper was the islands true target?

Or is that simply overanalyzing?

[Pestz4Evah]

just watched the openin credits again on both episodes daniel day kim is listed on both even tho he didnt appear in either eppy,jins not dead.michelle rodriguez was a special guest appearance.i'll say jin got blowv off the boat and came to as the copter was leavin.we know they could see the burnin boa tfrom the island so maybe it was in the radius of the shift,maybe he'll find some debris to float back to the island on,hes already washed ashore once and desmond said they lived in a snowglobe the time he ended back on the island.locke's not dead,ben wouldnt answer jacks question bout it

When Sun was talking with Kate they played a clip of him for last season's finale. Maybe that is why he was in the credits?

[K.C.]

'God helps us all'

The final words said by Pierre Chang at the beginning of the first episode, and the last words of episode two, said by Ms. Hawkings.

Chang said it in regards to releasing the energy contained in the Orchid chamber with the frozen donkey wheel.

Hawkings said it in regards to what would happen if the O6 aren't returned to the island.


I wonder, if they're both referring to Jacob.

Perhaps Jacob is imprisoned with in the time loop of the island (remember, there's been numerous references throughout the life of the show to time being circular on the island, and a couple analogies, including Daniel's in the latest episodes, to it being akin to a record player).

If they aren't returned, it provides some sort of bridge out of the time loop, for Jacob to leave the island, thus unleashing himself on the world.

I wonder if the island is a means by which Jacob is controlled, and manipulated to the benefit of whomever has access to the island.

But if unleashed, it would bring untold destruction.

Similar to the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix is the X-Men comics. It's a power that can be contained, but once unleashed is uncontrollable.

[LordJezo]

wra.

http://www.ajiraairways.com/

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If the island is a prison, do you think the aaron is jacobs way out?

But I guess if that were true claire couldve just brought him to the cabin.

It just seems that aaron has to be somehow involved.

[K.C.]

If the island is a prison, do you think the aaron is jacobs way out?

But I guess if that were true claire couldve just brought him to the cabin.

It just seems that aaron has to be somehow involved.

See, I don't really have a handle on how Aaron fits the story right now.

It could be that he's the next chosen one, similar to Ben and Locke.


I pointed this out a while ago, and I still think it's possible line of thought. They've made reference to the biblical meaning of 'Aaron' in the show before...

It's very possible that Jack is the Moses of this show, leading the survivors on their long, roundabout trek through this adventure and that Aaron will eventually be the one to lead them to the Promised Land.

[donnie_darko]

well about jin, just read this on crave online

Crave Online: Will we see Claire and Jin this season?

Carlton Cuse: We'll definitely see Jin this season. I mean, he's a series regular. Claire is not a series regular this year but her story is by no means over, so you will see her but you'll probably see more of her in season six. And Jin will we back. What we've said is that we're not saying Jin is currently alive after the explosion of the freighter but since we are telling stories in both the past, the present and the future, you will definitely be seeing Jin stories. We're just not telling you when those are occurring.

Crave Online: So he's still a regular? Because he's not in any of the photos.
Damon Lindelof: That's correct.

so there you go, more jin, the ambiguity of jins birth...his father..mother...leaves him in a great position to have a history with the island.

It's funny if you think that ms hawking must've known that the caretaker in the pearl was destined to die, and if desmond didn't shipwreck, there would've been another incident.

While Abbaddon seems to be posed on the other side, assuring locke's arrival on the island.

Remember the black and white stones locke found? and that weird dream when locke had mismatch eyes?

The island as a means of controlling jacob is pretty interesting stuff...

Is there an established name for the folks left on the island jumping through time? Whats gonna happen when the coming into a point of time where they're on the island as well ? Maybe thats where we'll see jin.

[SP1!]

My biggest question is what the hell did I miss? The last I saw was Sayeed killing for Ben, now hes scarred of him? Did I miss something or has that not been covered yet? The episode was ok last week but it asked more questions than it answered.

[K.C.]

My biggest question is what the hell did I miss? The last I saw was Sayeed killing for Ben, now hes scarred of him? Did I miss something or has that not been covered yet? The episode was ok last week but it asked more questions than it answered.

They haven't really touched on that yet. It's possible that Sayid is attempting to manipulate Hurley and Jack for some reason, to keep their trust, or it's possible that he had a falling out with Ben.

They haven't shown, or alluded to what happened yet.

But the look on Ben's face when Jack told him he had Sayid was one of concern. My guess is that something happened between the two, and they split.

[spadanko]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but could the people that are attacking them on the beach and in the jungle be Rousseau's group?

[Furtherman]

Not sure if this was mentioned, but could the people that are attacking them on the beach and in the jungle be Rousseau's group?

Excellent theory. I had forgotten about her group. Perhaps we'll be seeing a young Rousseau, or just her again.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I think they are tied in with widmore, before Dharma.

[WampusCrandle]

Excellent theory. I had forgotten about her group. Perhaps we'll be seeing a young Rousseau, or just her again.

i thought that Rousseau's group had all died or she killed them. and there were only six of them, from what i remember, so i feel like that really isnt something to run away from.

[disneyspy]

heres alittle info:aaron in old hebrew means pregnancy.aaron in the pharoh times in egypt meant to concieve.just did an aaron/bible search

[ChrisTheCop]

keeping with the skipping record analogy,
remember how we used to correct that?
We'd place a penny or 2 on top of the needle to weigh it down,
so that the record would play correctly.

Could the Oceanic 6 be those pennies?

[KingGeno]

Tonight is gonna be awesome. They are saying tonight's episode is one of the best so far (of the series).

[Furtherman]

keeping with the skipping record analogy,
remember how we used to correct that?

Nope.

[ChrisTheCop]

Guess I'm old. lol.

[JDE]

Tonight is gonna be awesome. They are saying tonight's episode is one of the best so far (of the series).


Yeah I can't wait, an interesting thing is how truly different the Desmond episodes are, and those stand alone ones, are so good.


Chris, that is very interesting, also with Penny being Widmore's daughter, I think she goes to the island this time with Desmond. I think the writers love to do stuff like that with the names of all the characters.

[spadanko]

Tonight is gonna be awesome. They are saying tonight's episode is one of the best so far (of the series).

people around the office that have seen it said it is really great

[Doctor Manhattan]

Quick theory:

Sawyer hurt his foot running around the jungle while they are unstuck in time. Do you guys think it might be possible that Sawyer ends up loosing a toe, arriving some time far in the past and being worshiped by some group on the island who create a giant statue in his honor which is mostly destroyed at some point after that and the foot of which Sayid, Sun and Jin see later on at the end of Season 2?

[K.C.]

Quick theory:

Sawyer hurt his foot running around the jungle while they are unstuck in time. Do you guys think it might be possible that Sawyer ends up loosing a toe, arriving some time far in the past and being worshiped by some group on the island who create a giant statue in his honor which is mostly destroyed at some point after that and the foot of which Sayid, Sun and Jin see later on at the end of Season 2?

Funny idea, but I doubt it.

The statue was built as a Constant for the Hostiles.

That's my guess.

Why the four toes...who knows.

[Drunky McBetidont]

ok, so i wonder if the "others" that took the kids right after the crash aren't the survivors that are stuck in the past. they waited for the plane to crash and then grabbed the kids while they slept, because they are their children. that way the children wouldn't be involved in all the hostility and confusion the surviviors endure up to the point they get unhooked from time. they would always be hiding from themselves because... if their Otherselves see or contact themselves it could fuck up space/time.

i'll figure out a way of making this thought coherent enough to explain. give me a minute.

[K.C.]

ok, so i wonder if the "others" that took the kids right after the crash aren't the survivors that are stuck in the past. they waited for the plane to crash and then grabbed the kids while they slept, because they are their children. that way the children wouldn't be involved in all the hostility and confusion the surviviors endure up to the point they get unhooked from time. they would always be hiding from themselves because... if their Otherselves see or contact themselves it could fuck up space/time.

i'll figure out a way of making this thought coherent enough to explain. give me a minute.

So the kids they took are children of the 815ers in the past/future/wherever?

I don't think that'd work. The two kids from the tail section they took, Zack and Emma, they said were on the plane to meet their mother in LA, if I remember the episode correctly.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Holy shit, this show is fantastic! :ohmy: They made time travel cool again after that guy from Star Trek: TNG* killed it!

*Who is now writing for 24!

[TooCute]

wtf wtf wtf
ok so that's widmore
and the chick HAS to be daniel's mom/mrs hawkings...

do they bury that bomb in the ground and that's what is under the swan????? wtf?????

and where did charlotte come from originally?

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit, Charles Widmore had been on the island before?! part of Richard's army?! didn't see that coming!

[extracheese]

PUT THE GUN DOWN WIDMORE!!!!!

OMG - i got chills hearing that!!

and DEsmond...he cant pick up a phone?? He has to GO TO LA??

[Doctor Manhattan]

How old is Charles Widmore?

holy shit, Charles Widmore had been on the island before?! part of Richard's army?! didn't see that coming!

He did tell Ben that is was his island and he'd find it again.

[Friday]

omg wtf wtf wtf INDEED!

i just audibly made some noise over here out of sheer surprise!

[Friday]

aww... they named their kid Charlie... :glurps:

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit - charlotte is fucked! bleeding from the face is never good.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Good episode because it lacked Jack and Kate.

[K.C.]

and the chick HAS to be daniel's mom/mrs hawkings...


They said in the enhanced episode that the old lady's name is Eloise Hawkings.

The name of the island chick was Elie.

I think that takes care of that. Daniel's mom almost killed him.

[spadanko]

fucking amazing

[K.C.]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.

[hammersavage]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.

Thank god for KC. I read that very slowly and it pretty much all makes sense. Good work you dirty Philly bastard.

[meanmrbill]

PUT THE GUN DOWN WIDMORE!!!!!

OMG - i got chills hearing that!!

omg wtf wtf wtf INDEED!

i just audibly made some noise over here out of sheer surprise!

Wow, I completely understand and also got chills and yelled out from amazement.

Its been a long long time (in fact I think it might be the first time) since I've be so regularly surprised by a TV show.

Good episode because it lacked Jack and Kate.

:clap:

[spadanko]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.


good stuff KC

[celery]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.

Amazing that stuff from Season 1 is just now making sense. The writing on this show astounds me - how do they keep it all straight??

Awesome, and a great writeup, KC.

[WampusCrandle]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.

damn, you can make a great break down of an episode.

- we know that the specific year is 1954
-my guess is that there will be a fight between Locke and Widmore on who will become the leader of the Hostiles, where Widmore will lose in the end, resulting in banishment and need to find it again and again.

[celery]

In the preview for next weeks episode, Sawyer mentions seeing Kate in the jungle. So, I'm guessing they'll keep traveling through time, possibly coinciding with the crash of Oceanic 815.

I could see them bouncing around time most of the season, until the Oceanic 6 come back.

[IamFogHat]

Amazing that stuff from Season 1 is just now making sense. The writing on this show astounds me - how do they keep it all straight??


There's actually a job position for it, they're called continuity supervisors, and they get paid boku bucks. And I assume they have dozens of interns and assistants doing most of their job for them.

Anyway, what a great fucking episode tonight. I liked the previous two a lot, but this one really fucking blew me away and dove me balls deep into season 5.

[IamFogHat]

This can be easily resolved but I suck at math and it's bugging me; based on tonight's ep, and the 1954 part, how old is Widmore supposed to be and how old is Ben supposed to be? How big a gap is there between their ages? I was thinking like fifteen or twenty, is it more like 30 or 35, or am I retarded?

[disneyspy]

This can be easily resolved but I suck at math and it's bugging me; based on tonight's ep, and the 1954 part, how old is Widmore supposed to be and how old is Ben supposed to be? How big a gap is there between their ages? I was thinking like fifteen or twenty, is it more like 30 or 35, or am I retarded?

im thinkin whitmore is around 73 and ben is around 50

[instrument]

How could rousseaus people have radiation poison? We know she gave birth three days after arriving on the island and her daughter is 16, so yeah, the sickness is obviously from not arriving to the island using the right bearing.


Alperth once held ben's position, possibly widmore moved the island wouldn't that have left alperth in the same situation as the current batch? Dislodged in time? Leaving ben on the island to lead the current timelines others.

I'm hoping we'll learn what role the temple plays in all of this.

[celery]

wtf wtf wtf
ok so that's widmore
and the chick HAS to be daniel's mom/mrs hawkings...

do they bury that bomb in the ground and that's what is under the swan????? wtf?????

and where did charlotte come from originally?

Maybe it's under here:

http://lost.cubit.net/pics/2x23/foot.jpg

[Doctor Manhattan]

Alperth once held ben's position, possibly widmore moved the island wouldn't that have left alperth in the same situation as the current batch? Dislodged in time? Leaving ben on the island to lead the current timelines others.

I'm hoping we'll learn what role the temple plays in all of this.

I was going to ask about that:

1954 Richard seems to be the leader of the "others" (I really am curious what they call themselves if anything) Was there someone who held Ben's position before Ben?

Richard mentioned the method they use to pick the leader is a long process that starts at a very young age (we saw this in "Cabin Fever" with Locke) Did Ben go through this process or did he just run into the jungle and reveal to Richard that he saw his dead Mom?

1954 Richard looks very much like 2004 Richard, but some time in the 1970's Richard has longer hair. Is this just a costume he happened to be wearing when child Ben met him in the jungle? sometime in the 1980's when Ben kills his father Richard is back to his normal look.

[spadanko]

the radiation on the island could have also caused Ben's tumor and cured rose's cancer

[Furtherman]

aww... they named their kid Charlie... :glurps:

I thought that was a nice touch too.

In the preview for next weeks episode, Sawyer mentions seeing Kate in the jungle. So, I'm guessing they'll keep traveling through time, possibly coinciding with the crash of Oceanic 815.

And therein lies the explanation of all the "whispers" they heard in the jungle in Season 1 - they were hearing themselves!!

Fantastic episode. What will become of Charlotte? She needs her constant!

[WampusCrandle]

And therein lies the explanation of all the "whispers" they heard in the jungle in Season 1 - they were hearing themselves!!

Fantastic episode. What will become of Charlotte? She needs her constant!

ooo, i like that connection! damn this show is great.

[spadanko]

could Charlotte's constant be Ben? Maybe she was Ben's friend when she was a kid.

Not sure if this was mentioned, could Faraday be funded by Widmore because he is his father?

[celery]

could Charlotte's constant be Ben? Maybe she was Ben's friend when she was a kid.

Not sure if this was mentioned, could Faraday be funded by Widmore because he is his father?

Annie? I doubt it, they don't look much alike.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/lost/images/f/f4/Annie.jpg

http://seat42f.com/site/images/stories/tvshows/Lost/S0410/lost-charlotte-photo.jpg

I'm finding Charlotte very hot this season, by the way. I'm trying not to get to attached - I think she's finished.

[K.C.]

This can be easily resolved but I suck at math and it's bugging me; based on tonight's ep, and the 1954 part, how old is Widmore supposed to be and how old is Ben supposed to be? How big a gap is there between their ages? I was thinking like fifteen or twenty, is it more like 30 or 35, or am I retarded?

Ben was born in around 1967 I think, so he's supposed to 37 (remember, it takes place in 2004 for the first four seasons), and 25 at the time of the DHARMA purge.

However, that's if aging on the island is directly comparable to aging in the real world. For what it's worth, Emerson looks significantly older than late 30s.

Locke would be 48 at the time of the crash in 2004.

Widmore looks to be in his early 20s in 1954, so let's say he's 22. That would make him born in 1932, which would make him 72 years old in 2004.

However, Widmore is much more able bodied and looks 10 years younger, or so, than your normal 72 year old, which may have to do with the island.

Ben jumped from 2004 to late 2005 when he moved the island. It's possible Widmore had a similar experience which moved him ahead several years, thus explaining it.

[KingGeno]

Reading over the past few posts makes me realize how confused I am so far this season. :/ Been great, but all of these new questions are popping up which drives me even more nutso. :wacko:

[K.C.]

I'm finding Charlotte very hot this season, by the way. I'm trying not to get to attached - I think she's finished.

I'm not so sure. I think Daniel will save her from the brain meltdown from jumping through time, because, otherwise, everyone else should die on the island, too.

However, I could see her getting off'd later on in the season.

[K.C.]

Not sure if this was mentioned, could Faraday be funded by Widmore because he is his father?

I doubt this. There's no real reason for Widmore to lie about it.

I think he's his benefactor, because Widmore knows Faraday is historically important to the island and could be a key to obtaining his goal (which still isn't revealed).

[ChrisTheCop]

It's all nicey nice to think they named the kid after Charlie, but he's also named after his Grandpa, which I found odd.

Miss Hawkings is a hottie!!!

and as for Richard's hairstyle change, I'd guess once he loses control of the island to Dharma, he goes scruffy from living in the jungle. Ben's appearance meant they could once again take control, and get a shave and a haircut. Yet he still always has his mascara.

[PD]

Ok, so what did I (maybe) learn tonight:

1) Desmond named his son after Charlie

2) The island has moved back to the 1950s. The U.S. Military discovered the island some time in the WWII era, and attempted to test H-Bombs. Richard Alpert, and the Hostiles, predate this, and fought the U.S. Military, capturing one of their H-Bombs.

3) Elie is Eloise Hawkings, the mother of Daniel Faraday. When Daniel encouters her on the island, he tells Elie to bury the H-Bomb. My guess is that the bomb is buried where the Swan Hatch is later built, and the computer is used to control the leak by pressing the button every 108 minutes. Elie then leaves the island in later years (presumably at the time Widmore is expelled), gives birth to Daniel, and later drafts Desmond to go to the island to push the button.

4) Charles Widmore is originally a Hostile, but at some point splits from Alpert's group and funds the DHARMA Initiative. Widmore presumably wages war against the Hostiles, while attempting to utilize the island through DHARMA until Alpert discovers Benjamin Linus and uses him to purge the DHARMA Initiative.

5) Locke telling Alpert about his birth is the reason Alpert was present there in the 1950s. This also puts to rest the idea of whether Alpert time-travels himself. He apparently does not.

6) Radiation poisoning could explain the 'sickness' referenced by Rousseau in earlier season, and the birth issues, although this may be a red herring for a larger explanation involving time.

7) I believe Charles Widmore gave Desmond genuine advice when he told him to deliver his message to Daniel's mom and get out. Desmond's decision to defy him will ultimately cost Penny her life.

8) The connection between Widmore, Elie, and Ben also calls into question who Elie is really helping (if anyone). Is she leading Ben down the wrong path to help Widmore, or has she cut all ties Widmore and is now assisting Ben? Or is she some impartial student of the island?

Very good episode.

what hammersavage said- good work.

I went out last night, got home late, decided to stay up to watch it on dvr- i was glad last night, but of course today I'm exhausted.

[Furtherman]

Doc has a great "Arrow Theory".

"Jughead" rocked. (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/01/lost-doc-jensen.html)

My “Arrow” Theory. Adam mentioned this in his recap. Have you noticed the recurring arrow symbolism this season? Episode 1: Pierre Chang produces the orientation film for a Dharma station called “The Arrow.” Episode 2: The Left Behinders are attacked by flaming arrows. And now, Episode 3: Arrows everywhere, in the text (see: the Others’ archery brigade) and the subtext. A leaking or missing hydrogen bomb is known as a “Broken Arrow” event in military parlance. In physics, the “Arrow of Time” is the name of a body of theories pertaining to the nature of time; the term “broken arrow” is used to characterize an idea like time loops. Google “broken arrow” and you’ll get any number of movies, TV shows and songs about Native Americans… and wouldn’t you know, “Jughead” was a peek into the past of the Island’s indigenous peeps, the Others. But the coolest arrow connection comes via the Other cutie with the shot gun, British accent, and terse line readings: Ellie. Short for Eleanor, which is French for “the Other.” (Or so wikipedia tells me; I don’t speak it. Me stupid American.) On a whim, I combined “Ellie” and “Eleanor” and “Arrow,” and came back with an awesome connection: Ellie Arroway, the heroine of Carl Sagan’s novel Contact, which was adapted into the Jodie Foster film of the same name. I’m going to leave it to you to explore the significance, but Sagan’s story certainly resonates with Lost themes, and perhaps functions as a clue to wormhole theory.

[instrument]

I think the temple is the others constant.

Its obvious that richards group lived seperately from bens group, this would make me believe that richards group may be displaced in time as well.

Widmore is Bens equivalent as locke is richards, the only difference is that part of lockes group made it off the island.

I think that jack was supposed to take the lead role, while eventually someday locke wouldve been the one to "move the island" as jacks second in command.

The same relationship that we saw richard and widmore, richard and ben, ans ben and locke, succeeded by jack and locke.

But who knows ehhh

And who's penny's mom?

[K.C.]

I think the temple is the others constant.

Its obvious that richards group lived seperately from bens group, this would make me believe that richards group may be displaced in time as well.

Widmore is Bens equivalent as locke is richards, the only difference is that part of lockes group made it off the island.

I think that jack was supposed to take the lead role, while eventually someday locke wouldve been the one to "move the island" as jacks second in command.

The same relationship that we saw richard and widmore, richard and ben, ans ben and locke, succeeded by jack and locke.

But who knows ehhh

And who's penny's mom?

I don't think Widmore had any power on the island, from what we saw last night. And Richard always answered to Ben, until he was deposed.

But let's take these one at a time.

I agree that there are two distinct groups. There is a group of people, that Richard seems to be the caretaker of, that I think are the natives who originally came to the island. Those are the 'Hostiles.'

When Ben took over, I think Ben recruited a lot of 'his people' from off the island. People like Mikhail, Juliet, Tom, Pryce, etc and put them in positions of importance....those are 'Others.'

The two factions worked together, but there was a rift between the two that Richard has alluded in a couple older episodes he appeared in.

Ben's agenda was not exactly Richard's agenda, but Richard needs Ben, because Ben is the only one (until Locke) that can commune with Jacob, whom Richard ultimately answers to.


I know this has been stated before, but I think the best analogy is still that of the Dalai Llama and Panchen Llama in Buddhism.

Ben is the Dalai Llama, Richard is the Panchen Llama...google it, if you're not familiar with the aspect of Buddhism.


Now, as far as Widmore goes, I'm not ready to say anything more about him right now, other than he's a guy who was disgruntled at not being chosen, and launched a war against the Hostiles for control of the island.

I do agree Jack is suppose to become a future leader. That seems obvious.


The 'who's Penny's mom' question is actually a VERY interesting one, I've never thought of. I don't think any mention of her having a mom has ever been brought up. Could be something big down the line...could be absolutely nothing. But something to consider.

[MagillaGorillaz]

I was going to ask about that:

1954 Richard seems to be the leader of the "others" (I really am curious what they call themselves if anything) Was there someone who held Ben's position before Ben?


This is the thing I am curious about. What were they doing on the island in the 50's. And Richard knows about Jacob back in that time, but Widmore had no clue so maybe from this encounter Widmore tried too hard to find out who Jacob was and got kicked off the island.

I am hoping we see the Black Rock crash into the island like we saw the small plane crash last week.

[instrument]

Were all of ellies lines voiceover? Its really distracting.

And I never said widmore had any power, we know that he had to have been off the island to have penny, so let's assume pennys in her early thirties, that would mean 15-20 years couldve passed from the moment in last nights episode until when he left the island... So in that amount of time there's no telling.

The dharma stations were built to take advantage of the islands natural properties, I find it hard to believe dharma wouldve built a station around a bomb, but who knows with this show...... They had someone take a camera phone pic with a flash from two floors below that somehow was used to identify hurley........which is absurd.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

hope they explain the statue leg in the water been hoping to see the whole thing for weeks now

[fezident]

Where's Jack again?

[Don Stugots]

http://i42.tinypic.com/mawh1k.jpg

[WampusCrandle]

http://i42.tinypic.com/mawh1k.jpg

hahaha, still funny

[spadanko]

well, just saw a facebook update from one of the editors at work (i assume he saw the episode) and it was "Ellie is not who everyone thinks she is"

Could be a clever rouse or he could be telling the truth. i will ask him

[instrument]

Anyone else think that charlotte is being affected because she's the only one who was born on the island?

Wonder if claire's just hanging with her dad and jacob listening to old cure albums.

[Piuki]

I was just watching Scrubs from Tuesday night on DVR and there was a Tyson chicken commercial. After several reviews, it would appear that Bandit and I are in agreement that Walt was in said commercial.

I wondered aloud, how do you go from Walt on Lost to a Tyson commercial. BeerBandit aptly pointed out, "puberty".

Anywho, anyone else see this?

[spadanko]

here is a follow up

he replied to people asking him about it and he said:

Let me put it this way: I just found out that she ISN'T someone, that's all. I'm still not entirely sure I know who she IS.

[disneyspy]

i liked how ellie told farady"you just cant stay away,can you?"

[disneyspy]

I was just watching Scrubs from Tuesday night on DVR and there was a Tyson chicken commercial. After several reviews, it would appear that Bandit and I are in agreement that Walt was in said commercial.

I wondered aloud, how do you go from Walt on Lost to a Tyson commercial. BeerBandit aptly pointed out, "puberty".

Anywho, anyone else see this?

ya,i thought is was walt too

[disneyspy]

and clare has aged fast too

[hammersavage]

here is a follow up

he replied to people asking him about it and he said:

Let me put it this way: I just found out that she ISN'T someone, that's all. I'm still not entirely sure I know who she IS.





Did she have an Australian accent? Maybe she's linked to Claire somehow.

[instrument]

Yeah I saw it! He's starting to look like that guy from star trek voyager

[ChrisTheCop]

spadanko:

could just be that she's not faraday's mom, but she is Hawkings. or vice verse. Just sayin.

[spadanko]

spadanko:

could just be that she's not faraday's mom, but she is Hawkings. or vice verse. Just sayin.


that very well could be true

[TonyStark]

spadanko:

could just be that she's not faraday's mom, but she is Hawkings. or vice verse. Just sayin.
It's very possible that this is true.

[Furtherman]

It's all nicey nice to think they named the kid after Charlie, but he's also named after his Grandpa, which I found odd.

Is it?

http://www.timelooptheory.com/

Widmore is Penny and Desmond's Child

Penny gave birth to a child named: Charlie...aka Charles Widmore. Then they go back in time on the island to around the year 1930 with young Charles Widmore. At some point, Penny and Desmond die, and then Widmore grows up on the island. Eventually, he is exiled and then leaves the island, marries Mrs. Hawking and then gives birth to Penny again, creating a loop. Note in season 4, when Ben sneaks into Widmore's room in the night. Ben: We both know I can't kill you, so I'm going to kill your daughter. Ben says this because he knows that he will be "indirectly" killing Widmore if Penny dies, thus she cannot go back in time with Charles for a second time - in other words, Ben would be altering what is supposed to be written in the past, thus creating some type of paradox. This all goes back to the notion that Widmore was responsible for killing Alex back in season 4. Perhaps... Alex was Ben's mother as well?



I am hoping we see the Black Rock crash into the island like we saw the small plane crash last week.

That would be great.... and entirely possible!




http://i42.tinypic.com/mawh1k.jpg

That is too f'n funny. I laughed my ass off when that happened.

[celery]

Is it?

http://www.timelooptheory.com/

Widmore is Penny and Desmond's Child

Penny gave birth to a child named: Charlie...aka Charles Widmore. Then they go back in time on the island to around the year 1930 with young Charles Widmore. At some point, Penny and Desmond die, and then Widmore grows up on the island. Eventually, he is exiled and then leaves the island, marries Mrs. Hawking and then gives birth to Penny again, creating a loop. Note in season 4, when Ben sneaks into Widmore's room in the night. Ben: We both know I can't kill you, so I'm going to kill your daughter. Ben says this because he knows that he will be "indirectly" killing Widmore if Penny dies, thus she cannot go back in time with Charles for a second time - in other words, Ben would be altering what is supposed to be written in the past, thus creating some type of paradox. This all goes back to the notion that Widmore was responsible for killing Alex back in season 4. Perhaps... Alex was Ben's mother as well?



OK now you've gone and made my brain explode.

Of all the mysteries of the show, I'd love to know why Widmore left the water running during Desmond's time-travel episode last season.

[Aggie]

I love this show and disagree with the people who think it's too hard to follow.

HOWEVER, sometimes the theories make my head hurt. I think that's very interesting about them being Widmore's parents but I start to lose people with the complicated possibilities.

[spadanko]

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[celery]

Yeah, I think I'm an Elle fan:

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI1OTE2NjA1NV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDAzNTg1MQ@@._ V1._SX270_SY400_.jpg

[donnie_darko]

haha i hadn't noticed ben's slight facial response to hurley throwing the hot pocket.

[drusilla]

OK now you've gone and made my brain explode.

.

damn, i had the exact same reaction

[Furtherman]

OK now you've gone and made my brain explode.

And that theory would mean that Desmond and Penny are Adam and Eve from Season 1.

[donnie_darko]

yeah, the estimate was 40-50 years, putting them back on the island at roughly the same period.

I really hope it isn't that simple though, and how would jacob figure in all of that?

[Furtherman]

Some of us here discussed this in last season's thread, and as one of the ones who said he didn't, it's my pleasure to post this.

What's up with Lost's Nestor Carbonell not aging? And the 'guyliner'? (http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/whats-up-with-losts-nestor-carbonell-not-aging-and-the-guyliner.php#more)

http://scifiwire.com/pics/Lost_NestorCarbonell.jpg

At the TV Critics Association press tour, some reporters asked if you wore eyeliner, which Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse denied. What do you think of this?

Carbonell: My brother sent me this link about the TCA, where you guys were at. Someone had asked about whether I was wearing eyeliner. I think Carlton came to my defense, and he said, "He's 100 percent sans makeup" or something like that. I could see why some people would think I have eyeliner on because [my eyelashes] are dark. Especially the bottom row, they're pretty dark. I've been dealing with it since I was a little kid, and so to me it's very funny when it comes up, especially at TCA. My brother told me to look online and sort of Google something about that, and my name came up as a couple things. One of them was Maybelline Man. I've been dubbed by some people as Guyliner. It's very amusing.

[ChrisTheCop]

Cant wait to see why Richard has imprisoned Jacob.

Also wouldnt mind running into Ratzinger (?), the incredibly smart guy in the hatch who drew all the maps and allegedly killed himself prior to Desmond's arrival on the island.

So many possibilties!

[TonyStark]

Some of us here discussed this in last season's thread, and as one of the ones who said he didn't, it's my pleasure to post this.

What's up with Lost's Nestor Carbonell not aging? And the 'guyliner'? (http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/whats-up-with-losts-nestor-carbonell-not-aging-and-the-guyliner.php#more)

http://scifiwire.com/pics/Lost_NestorCarbonell.jpghaha, that and the five o'clock shadow. So Richard's 10000 years old and has perpetually shaved 1.5 days ago.

[K.C.]

I think the most of important episode of the show is still Jack's first episode (1x5 'White Rabbit').

That one, more than anything, I think gives the biggest insight to what the point of the this show has always been, and subsequently gives the biggest insight to what the ending will likely involve.

[Alice S. Fuzzybutt]

It's fucking rough out there and I feel guilty AND scared for calling out sick with the flu.

I DO have the time, but I really don't understand how they decide who's going to be axed. Most people (like the ones who have worked at the company for 10 plus years) tell me not to worry. It's very hard to find a second-shift proofreader. Well, maybe not NOW.

Well, at least I'm giving the temp a couple of days worth of work.

[celery]

It's fucking rough out there and I feel guilty AND scared for calling out sick with the flu.

I DO have the time, but I really don't understand how they decide who's going to be axed. Most people (like the ones who have worked at the company for 10 plus years) tell me not to worry. It's very hard to find a second-shift proofreader. Well, maybe not NOW.

Well, at least I'm giving the temp a couple of days worth of work.

Are we still talking about LOST?

[spadanko]

from the TV guide twitter

Good "wow" moment at the end of tonight's "Lost"! - MWM

[ChrisTheCop]

from the TV guide twitter

Good "wow" moment at the end of tonight's "Lost"! - MWM

Ive always wanted to see Juliet's, AnaLucia, Naomi's or even Ellie's cans. So this is good news!

[WampusCrandle]

Ive always wanted to see Juliet's, AnaLucia, Naomi's or even Ellie's cans. So this is good news!

we can only hope and pray for them all to time travel into a hot tub naked. :happy:

[hammersavage]

Ive always wanted to see Juliet's, AnaLucia, Naomi's or even Ellie's cans. So this is good news!

Throw Charlotte in there too. Ginger boobs are great.

[PD]

Ive always wanted to see Juliet's, AnaLucia, Naomi's or even Ellie's cans. So this is good news!

funny you posted this; I was watching today the video podcast - it's got an interview with the actress who plays Juliet- and all I could do was stare at that cleavage.

[Don Stugots]

i think farady told her that he loves her in an effort to become her "anchor".

[PD]

I dunno if anyone is watching the "enhanced" repeat,
(which I'm watching delayed) but they confirmed Desmond's son is named after Charlie Pace, and not widmore.

[K.C.]

Are we still talking about LOST?

There's a clue hidden in her statement.

I found it.

Can't believe THAT's going to happen!!!!

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit! Sun is has a gun and doesn't look happy one bit.

[Doogie]

Well she is Korean and you can never tell their expressions, either happy sad, or indifferent.

[WampusCrandle]

Well she is Korean and you can never tell their expressions, either happy sad, or indifferent.

.... im gonna assume she is happy she found Ben, but pissed that Jack is with him.

[PD]

i think farady told her that he loves her in an effort to become her "anchor".

the "enhanced" repeat seems to contradict this- it said "it was first time farady admitted he has feelings for her (Charlotte)"

[Don Stugots]

the "enhanced" repeat seems to contradict this- it said "it was first time farady admitted he has feelings for her (Charlotte)"

oh well, i was wrong then i guess.

[Doogie]

oh well, i was wrong then i guess.

Thats right rookie...why dont you let the experts make the speculations. Here is something for you:


"Kids!! Ready for the hottest newest most exciting toy?! Well here it is. Ball in a cup!!"

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[Aggie]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but how did Kate pulled off 'being Aaron's mom' for so long? She was in custody wouldn't they have reported/recorded that she was basically nine months pregnant? It might not matter but I was just thinking about it.

[WampusCrandle]

oh boy, looks like more people are getting bloody noses

[Aggie]

Awww. I used to want Jack and Kate together but now I want her with Sawyer! He really loves her. :wub:

[Doogie]

I don't know if anyone said this yet but how did Kate pulled off 'being Aaron's mom' for so long? She was in custody wouldn't they have reported/recorded that she was basically nine months pregnant? It might not matter but I was just thinking about it.

I believe it was in season 4 where they just blew threw her getting questioned about it. And besides, are you going to question a woman who survived a plane crash, floated out in the south pacific until they were finally discovered? I think they are taking it slow and not going so public with it to avoid embarrassing themselves and gathering evidence against Kate.

[WampusCrandle]

Awww. I used to want Jack and Kate together but now I want her with Sawyer! He really loves her. :wub:

yeah, but Kate gets all creamy for Jack, especially without that Saddam beard.

[Doogie]

Possibility before commercial:

I think that Jack is the one who made the charges against Kate. He might have of done it in his stupor to get back at her. Remember in season 4 he once said to her "you are not even related to him (Aaron). "

And quick question, with no real answers...why is it we have seen almost everyone else in a flashback except for Mr. Eko?? I miss Eko.

[Aggie]

I believe it was in season 4 where they just blew threw her getting questioned about it. And besides, are you going to question a woman who survived a plane crash, floated out in the south pacific until they were finally discovered? I think they are taking it slow and not going so public with it to avoid embarrassing themselves and gathering evidence against Kate.

But she was a felon and even had to go on trial! But I'm nitpicking. This is my favorite show.

Miss Eko too. Maybe they couldn't come to terms contract/money wise so he won't do it.

[WampusCrandle]

Possibility before commercial:

I think that Jack is the one who made the charges against Kate. He might have of done it in his stupor to get back at her. Remember in season 4 he once said to her "you are not even related to him (Aaron). "

And quick question, with no real answers...why is it we have seen almost everyone else in a flashback except for Mr. Eko?? I miss Eko.

and we just found out its Claire's mom who ordered the charges

the only reason that i can think of is that Mr. Eko was killed by the monster on the island, as opposed to the rest that died of other causes, other people

[Doogie]

and we just found out its Claire's mom who ordered the charges

the only reason that i can think of is that Mr. Eko was killed by the monster on the island, as opposed to the rest that died of other causes, other people

Episodes not over yet...I have a feeling Jack is part of it. Hence why he is trying to "steer" Kate away from pursuing the lawyer and getting on with their mission.

[Drunky McBetidont]

how would the canoe travel with them? wouldn't they have been swimming after that last flash?

[WampusCrandle]

Episodes not over yet...I have a feeling Jack is part of it. Hence why he is trying to "steer" Kate away from pursuing the lawyer and getting on with their mission.

i can see that. i still feel that Jack, if this theory goes like we think, will use Aaron as a way to get Kate to go back to the island.

[WampusCrandle]

how would the canoe travel with them? wouldn't they have been swimming after that last flash?

i would assume if they are holding/ touching it, they can take the canoes with them.

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit, Ben is a fucking genius and psycho! it's all Ben! fucking great writing!

[Doogie]

Damn...I should have of also speculated here that it was either Ben or Sun after Aaron.

[IamFogHat]

"He's my lawyer." :lol:
Ben rules.

[WampusCrandle]

holy shit! Jin is alive!!! :clap::clap::clap:

[Doogie]

O hhh sit...I couldnt think who makes those kayaks. Forgot about the French and Rousseau...damn. They are back in the 1980's...

Holy shit...Jin!!!!

[IamFogHat]

Jin!!! Goosebumps!!!

BTW what a perfect reveal. Makes the Michael reveal from last season look even worse than it already did. Bravo.

[WampusCrandle]

i couldn't be happier that Jin is alive, but he is gonna be a bit fucked up, speaking two languages, neither being French. this also gives a new reason for Sun to go to the island.

[Doogie]

Jin!!! Goosebumps!!!

BTW what a perfect reveal. Makes the Michael reveal from last season look even worse than it already did. Bravo.

Speaking of Michael...did you see the ad for that fucking awful show he will be in soon??

Ohhh how far Harrold Perrineau has fallen.

And back to Eko for a second...I think it is a problem between ABC and the dude who plays Eko why he hasnt been back.

Wow...great episode thus far. I am very happy with it.

[WampusCrandle]

looks like we will really know what happened to Daniel Russo's group.

and the preview looks too damn good to wait for!

[Doogie]

Yup...Rousseau shot them all as they started hemmoraging, aka "getting sick." And we know who the big sacrifice will be, that is an easy one to figure out.

[JDE]

Wow indeed, what an episode.

So now we have them traveling back to pretty much every decade from the 50's on except for the 60's so far if I am remembering right.

So Jin was in the radius the island moved, and now it looks like there will be a reunion next week.


Ben is so bad it's fun.

[PD]

looks like we will really know what happened to Daniel Russo's group.

and the preview looks too damn good to wait for!

I love that she returns.

[spadanko]

awesome awesome

[JDE]

Yup...Rousseau shot them all as they started hemmoraging, aka "getting sick." And we know who the big sacrifice will be, that is an easy one to figure out.


What do you mean about the big sacrifice, did I miss something?

[WampusCrandle]

I love that she returns.

i was so pissed that she was killed so suddenly, though i can understand why, but i'm glad we get some kind of back story now of why she was the way she was.

[WampusCrandle]

Yup...Rousseau shot them all as they started hemmoraging, aka "getting sick." And we know who the big sacrifice will be, that is an easy one to figure out.

yeah, but i thought she killed her own team, right? so, why would her team start to hemorrhage if they haven't been traveling through time?

[extracheese]

I thought Roussaus and Ben slept together and had ALEX, the daughter that Widmores men killed and Ben freaked out about.
But i see i was wrong. Roussau came to the Island preggers and Alex's real father is with them in this raft. It also means Jin is in a time when Ben is around the same age as Rousseu and somewhere on the Island.

[celery]

The time travel thing is such a great way to the backstory of the island. I'm guessing before the season is over, we'll see young Ben and adopt baby Alex.

[K.C.]

I hate that Jin's still alive. That feels like such a cop out.

As far as Eko goes, he was suppose to play a pretty big part in Season 3, but both his parents died and he asked to be written out of the show. He was my favorite character next to Desmond.

[PD]

I hate that Jin's still alive. That feels like such a cop out.

As far as Eko goes, he was suppose to play a pretty big part in Season 3, but both his parents died and he asked to be written out of the show. He was my favorite character next to Desmond.

he was a great character. I knew he had it written in that he would have short run, but I forgot why.

[Doogie]

The time travel thing is such a great way to the backstory of the island. I'm guessing before the season is over, we'll see young Ben and adopt baby Alex.

Will the baby get delievered to him after his father lets out an awful line of "noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo".

[K.C.]

So what I learned this week:

1) Miles is the son of Pierre Chang (aka DHARMA guy)

2) Charlotte was on the island (is she a Hostile??) first, then Miles (DHARMA), then Juliet (Others), then Locke & Sawyer (815), then Faraday (Frieghter) and they'll succumb to the nosebleeding thing in that order.

3) Locke will discover the frozen donkey wheel and move the island again to get off it. He'll end up where Ben ended up in Tunisia.

4) Rousseau's team will experience the same problems as the survivors are, and will blame them as infecting her and her team.

5) Jack is completely in the dark still.

6) Sayid is completely in the know with most of Ben's plan.

7) Widmore used Sun, because he knew she'd find Ben, and that Ben would convince her to return to the island. He probably hopes to use them, to help him find the island.

8) With Desmond en route to LA, the time is ripe for Ben to kill Penny.

[WampusCrandle]

I hate that Jin's still alive. That feels like such a cop out.

As far as Eko goes, he was suppose to play a pretty big part in Season 3, but both his parents died and he asked to be written out of the show. He was my favorite character next to Desmond.

we are gonna have to agree to disagree with Jin. I thought it was awful to write of Jin was so ... unLOST-like, how he died. at any rate, I like that Jin is alive.

[Coach_Mac]

I hate that Jin's still alive. That feels like such a cop out.



I actually agree with you there. I was a little disapointed because it seems like something that would "typically" happen on a tv show. But, I guess they had to keep him alive because that's what's going to convince Sun to return.

Also, great recap again this week K.C.

[JDE]

So what I learned this week:

1) Miles is the son of Pierre Chang (aka DHARMA guy)

2) Charlotte was on the island (is she a Hostile??) first, then Miles (DHARMA), then Juliet (Others), then Locke & Sawyer (815), then Faraday (Frieghter) and they'll succumb to the nosebleeding thing in that order.

3) Locke will discover the frozen donkey wheel and move the island again to get off it. He'll end up where Ben ended up in Tunisia.

4) Rousseau's team will experience the same problems as the survivors are, and will blame them as infecting her and her team.

5) Jack is completely in the dark still.

6) Sayid is completely in the know with most of Ben's plan.

7) Widmore used Sun, because he knew she'd find Ben, and that Ben would convince her to return to the island. He probably hopes to use them, to help him find the island.

8) With Desmond en route to LA, the time is ripe for Ben to kill Penny.



Here is something to consider people, maybe Charlotte is Elle's daughter, and Faradays's sister, if Elle really is his mom, I am still not sold on that one, but I think she could just as likely be Charlotte's mom.

I thought that was Miles was his son as soon as I saw the baby at the beginning of the season, so I think you're dead on with that one.


About Rouseau, did we ever find out how her husband died? I don't think she killed him, just the rest of her team, so that will be interesting to say the least.

[PD]

So what I learned this week:

1) Miles is the son of Pierre Chang (aka DHARMA guy)

.

damn, i must have missed that.

[JDE]

damn, i must have missed that.


You did not miss anything, he is referring to what Daniel said about the sickness, and how it related to the people being on the island, so since Miles started to bleed, he had to have been on the island before, hence his deduction that he was his son.

[celery]

he was a great character. I knew he had it written in that he would have short run, but I forgot why.

Ecko vs. smoke monster in season 2 was tremendous.

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[K.C.]

Here is something to consider people, maybe Charlotte is Elle's daughter, and Faradays's sister, if Elle really is his mom, I am still not sold on that one, but I think she could just as likely be Charlotte's mom.


The tip-off on Elie being Faraday's mom is because of the picture that the monk, in one of Desmond's Season 3 episodes, has of Ms. Hawkings and himself standing outside of a building at Oxford.


About Rouseau, did we ever find out how her husband died? I don't think she killed him, just the rest of her team, so that will be interesting to say the least.

I think we're going to find out that she mercy killed them because they'll start jumping through time and seizuring when Locke moves the island again, to get off it.

Rousseau will stay anchored because of her baby as her constant.

I'm not sure what'll ultimately save Sawyer & Co, but I'd be surprised if any of them died before the O6 gets back.

[celery]

I think we're going to find out that she mercy killed them because they'll start jumping through time and seizuring when Locke moves the island again, to get off it.

Rousseau will stay anchored because of her baby as her constant.


But, didn't Ben cause the island to enter its current state when he turned the wheel? Rousseau mentioned "the sickness" before that even happened, so it seems like it may be caused by something else.

Fucking time travel stuff is confusing...

[JDE]

The tip-off on Elie being Faraday's mom is because of the picture that the monk, in one of Desmond's Season 3 episodes, has of Ms. Hawkings and himself standing outside of a building at Oxford.



I think we're going to find out that she mercy killed them because they'll start jumping through time and seizuring when Locke moves the island again, to get off it.

Rousseau will stay anchored because of her baby as her constant.

I'm not sure what'll ultimately save Sawyer & Co, but I'd be surprised if any of them died before the O6 gets back.


I agree that Ms. Hawkings is Daniel's mom, what I don't buy yet is that Elle and her are the same person. The whole name thing could just be something to throw us all off, I really think Elle and Ms Hawkings are two people, if I am wrong, then I am going with Charlotte being his sister, if I am right, Elle is her mom, but she is not Ms Hawkings.

[WampusCrandle]

You did not miss anything, he is referring to what Daniel said about the sickness, and how it related to the people being on the island, so since Miles started to bleed, he had to have been on the island before, hence his deduction that he was his son.

in the beginning of the second episode of the current season, we see Pierre Chang has a kid - we are assuming here that it is Miles.

I think we're going to find out that she mercy killed them because they'll start jumping through time and seizuring when Locke moves the island again, to get off it.

Rousseau will stay anchored because of her baby as her constant.

I'm not sure what'll ultimately save Sawyer & Co, but I'd be surprised if any of them died before the O6 gets back.

i feel like i missed something, why would Rousseau's group be traveling through time? i assumed they weren't effected by the island moving, just like the Hostiles group in 1954.

[MagillaGorillaz]

Ok couple of things:

Jin: it's like what Tom said to Michael the island isn't done with you yet. You can't die. Michael may still be alive as well.

I had an oh shit moment when they found that Indian airline water bottle. Totally unexpected the way they introduced that. They must have been in the future when that scene took place.

And totaly random but when Locke found the 2nd hatch in season two, wasnt the ground salted or something so it was in the form of a question mark or something. I keep thinking we are going to find out that Locke did that himself in the past so he know where to go.

And I still can't wait to the the blackrock crash. It's gotta happen this season.

[celery]

The tip-off on Elie being Faraday's mom is because of the picture that the monk, in one of Desmond's Season 3 episodes, has of Ms. Hawkings and himself standing outside of a building at Oxford.


http://i39.tinypic.com/o5azd2.jpg

[K.C.]

i feel like i missed something, why would Rousseau's group be traveling through time?

Because Locke's going to move the island again.

That's why they're going back to the Orchid.

They wouldn't be affected the first time, because they weren't there. But if Locke moves it in that year (80s-ish), they will be.

[JDE]

A reason I am having a problem buying that Elle is Ms Hawkings, is she did not appear to be some super intelligent physicist and Ms Hawkins is, that's why i am saying they are two different people.

When Daniel and her were looking at jughead and he was explaining about the bomb, she did not understand what he was saying at all. If she was Ms Hawkins, she would have a grasp of that stuff.


Or I could be dead wrong, just a hunch I have.

[K.C.]

http://i39.tinypic.com/o5azd2.jpg

The question is who the hell was the monk?

He obviously someone in the know. He turns down Desmond, essentially fixes him up with Penny, knows Hawkings, and sells his wine to Widmore.

Lots of connections.

[JDE]

in the beginning of the second episode of the current season, we see Pierre Chang has a kid - we are assuming here that it is Miles.



i feel like i missed something, why would Rousseau's group be traveling through time? i assumed they weren't effected by the island moving, just like the Hostiles group in 1954.


They are not traveling through time, but they are going to be affected because they did not get to the island through those exact coordinates that Daniel used to get there, that prevents the whole time sickness from starting.

[drusilla]

dear brian k vaughn,

there needs to be some happy on this show & i want that happy to be with desmond & penny. please do not do anything to separate them anymore.

k thnx bai.

[celery]

A reason I am having a problem buying that Elle is Ms Hawkings, is she did not appear to be some super intelligent physicist and Ms Hawkins is, that's why i am saying they are two different people.

When Daniel and her were looking at jughead and he was explaining about the bomb, she did not understand what he was saying at all. If she was Ms Hawkins, she would have a grasp of that stuff.


Or I could be dead wrong, just a hunch I have.

Faraday definitely thought Ellie was his mom. Or, at least the writers wanted us to think that. The picture definitely leads me to believe that Hawkins is his mom, or at least knows Faraday, so I think

Ellie = Hawkins = Faraday's mom

[IMSlacker]

Did anyone sit through Life on Mars to find out what this Lost Untangled thing they teased was all about?

[JDE]

The question is who the hell was the monk?

He obviously someone in the know. He turns down Desmond, essentially fixes him up with Penny, knows Hawkings, and sells his wine to Widmore.

Lots of connections.

Good question, he seems to have a connection with both sides, if we are correct to assume Ms Hawkings and Widmore are not on the same side.

Also who is the butcher lady from last week?

[JDE]

Faraday definitely thought Ellie was his mom. Or, at least the writers wanted us to think that. The picture definitely leads me to believe that Hawkins is his mom, or at least knows Faraday, so I think

Ellie = Hawkins = Faraday's mom

Or when he said you remind me of someone, he was talking about Charlotte not his mom/Ms Hawkings, which I do believe is his mother.

[K.C.]

Here's one of the key things to consider, I think:

-When Desmond and Minkowski jumped through time, they did it in mind. Desmond did not bodily move between 1996 and 2004. His timeline scattered through his mind-skips and he lived minute to minute between the two 'worlds.'

For instance, Desmond's mind went

1970 - 1975 - 1980 - 1985 -1990 - 1995 - 1996/2004/1996/2004/1996/2004 - 2000 - 2001 -2002 -2003 - 2004/1996/2004/1996/2004/1996 - 2005 - 2006 - 2007

The radiation spliced two parts of his timeline (this also allows us to assume that our timelines exist as finite linear objects in space and time)

Minkowski presumably did the same thing.

Now, the reason Minkowski died was because during that splice period, he could not differentiate and his brain basically exploded. Desmond used Penny to anchor him and bring an end to that splice.


Now, here's the thing.

The island is changing for Sawyer, Locke, Juliet, Miles, Charlotte, and Daniel. Only they are affected by it. No one else is experiencing these effects.

Furthermore, they are bodily appearing at places in time where they never existed.

Alpert and his group, back in 2004, are not affected by this. Only those people.

If the island was moving by itself, EVERYONE would move with it.

If it was just the survivors, then Sawyer & Co. would appear at the place they were in 1996 or 1970 or wherever, in their own lives...not the life of the island.

So this suggests that when they crashed on the island, some symbiosis took place between the lives of the survivors and the lifeforce of the island.

The two are bound together...one is apart of the other. The island AND the survivors are moving together and are literally bonded, be it mentally, physically, or some other -lly I can't quite define.

And that explains why the O6 needs to come back. By leaving, they broke the symbiotic bond.

In a way, it's possible that they are constants, or anchors, to the island.

[extracheese]

maybe so...but then who is Jacob?

[hammersavage]

K.C. is smarter than me.

[celery]

K.C. is smarter than me.

Yeah, I just don't think the final explanation could be that complicated because 90% of us wouldn't get it.

[King Imp]

http://i39.tinypic.com/o5azd2.jpg

You would think with the budget they have for this show, they could have hired someone to better Photoshop that pic. Christ, I could do a better job than that.



Did anyone sit through Life on Mars to find out what this Lost Untangled thing they teased was all about?

I did. All it was were two dolls (one was Jack and the other was Kate) talking to each other. I didin't catch what they said to each other in the beginning because I started laughing as soon as I saw it, but at the end the Jack doll just kept yelling "We have to go back Kate!" to which she replied something along the lines of "Shut up! I'm tired of hearing you say that!"

[ChrisTheCop]

Damn...I should have of also speculated here that it was either Ben or Sun after Aaron.
(ahem...)
From season 5, ep 1 comments:
Ben is my guess. Remember last season Jack told Ben that Kate wont even talk to him, and Ben says, "Well maybe I can help you with that." Kate's first thought for help was to call Jack, so she's already weakened her defense, as Ben knew she would.





So this suggests that when they crashed on the island, some symbiosis took place between the lives of the survivors and the lifeforce of the island.

The two are bound together...one is apart of the other. The island AND the survivors are moving together and are literally bonded, be it mentally, physically, or some other -lly I can't quite define.

And that explains why the O6 needs to come back. By leaving, they broke the symbiotic bond.

In a way, it's possible that they are constants, or anchors, to the island.

ahem, part 2:

keeping with the skipping record analogy,
remember how we used to correct that?
We'd place a penny or 2 on top of the needle to weigh it down,
so that the record would play correctly.

Could the Oceanic 6 be those pennies?

It was raining in a lot of scenes, and Ben's van had "Canton Ranier" on it.
I thought maybe it was just a Vaughan joke that it can not be rainier... or maybe just chance, or something even better... any theories?

Speaking of rain... how funny was it when Sawyer yelled "THANK YOU GOD!!" then after the flash says, "I take that back!"

I am loving everything about this season!

[ChrisTheCop]

I dunno if anyone is watching the "enhanced" repeat,
(which I'm watching delayed) but they confirmed Desmond's son is named after Charlie Pace, and not widmore.

This one kept me from sleeping.

Fine. He's named after Charlie Pace; that doesnt change the fact his name is Charles Widmore. Which I still find odd since they hated the man, and which still makes other posted theories possible.

Also, those enhanced episodes are just to keep the viewer up to date on what we already (think we) know. Not to give any real insight into where the show's headed.

Ok... I'm off to try again.

[Coach_Mac]

You would think with the budget they have for this show, they could have hired someone to better Photoshop that pic. Christ, I could do a better job than that.







I thought it was a poor photoshop too...which raises the question, is it supposed to be a fake picture? I can't imagine a scenario where that would be the case but then again, there are a lot of scenario's on lost I can't imagine.

[Doogie]

http://i39.tinypic.com/o5azd2.jpg

He reminds me of Rob Halfred...maybe that is why he isnt posing so close to her.

[Furtherman]

Wow... can this season get any better? I hope so!

So happy to see Jin... and that made me think of this:

He's so, so, so, so very dead. The freighter wreckage didn't go with the island, and you pretty much see exactly where he was standing on the helicopter pad explode.

So let's suppose Jin survived the explosion (which I don't believe). He still would have drowned.
He's dead.

Is he?

I hate that Jin's still alive.

Just bustin' balls K.C. - I love your thoughts on the show. You should be writing a Lost column in a paper every week!


jins not dead..we know they could see the burnin boa tfrom the island so maybe it was in the radius of the shift,maybe he'll find some debris to float back to the island on,hes already washed ashore once and desmond said they lived in a snowglobe the time he ended back on the island.

Score!

so there you go, more jin, the ambiguity of jins birth...his father..mother...leaves him in a great position to have a history with the island.


Score! Yes, it seems that Jin will have a role in the island's past.

Perhaps we'll be seeing a young Rousseau, or just her again.

Score for me!

70 hours to get Hurley out of jail? I smell a crossover with Michael Scofield!!

When I saw Hurley in county lock up, I laughed - and now hope for a Hurley jail break!


Did anyone sit through Life on Mars to find out what this Lost Untangled thing they teased was all about?

Yea, it was dumb.

[JDE]

(ahem...)
From season 5, ep 1 comments:






ahem, part 2:



It was raining in a lot of scenes, and Ben's van had "Canton Ranier" on it.
I thought maybe it was just a Vaughan joke that it can not be rainier... or maybe just chance, or something even better... any theories?

!


Now I did not come up with this myself, Jeff Jensen over at EW deserves all credit, but Canton Ranier or Ranier-Canton is an anagram of reincarnation.

[Aggie]

You all have such great thoughts on this show, I love having this thread to add to my Lost experience. I have nothing deep to discuss today. You all get props though for some of your theories coming true.

One of the funny moments from last night besides the Sawyer one Chris mentioned was when they were getting shot at in the boat and Juliet asks Miles if they're his people and he says no are they yours. Like they're rival gang members are something. It made me chuckle.

[spadanko]

Not sure if this was talked about, but just read this...

The Internet is speculating that the Ajira Airlines bottle was brought by the Oceanic 6 when they return to the island, and so the time period with the canoes was a flash forward. So then...are Future Losties shooting at Past Losties?

[celery]

Not sure if this was talked about, but just read this...

Yeah, I'm down with that theory, definitely sounds like something they'd do

http://i40.tinypic.com/2wpq88m.jpg
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[instrument]

I'm gonna bet i was right with charlotte having been born on the island and miles as the baby with halliwax.

And anyone else think its obvious that the airline is connected to the landing strip on the other island?

[instrument]

And can we get charlotte in a bikini before she pops?

[SP1!]

Not sure if this was talked about, but just read this...

Where did you get that quote?

And where do the rest of you go for your theories, I mean besides KC and his wandering mind who must have a whooooooooole lot of time on his hands.

[instrument]

So lockes constant apparently is alperth, farraday has made contact with desmond once, sawyer looks aimed towards kate, wonder if farraday is ever going to let these folks in on how to survive?

[spadanko]

Where did you get that quote?

And where do the rest of you go for your theories, I mean besides KC and his wandering mind who must have a whooooooooole lot of time on his hands.


Jsut from someone on facebook... guess they view the Lost boards out there, but some people over here at TVguide.com were talking about it too

[TooLowBrow]

does
http://www.asiaarts.ucla.edu/media/images/kenleung3_top.jpg
become
http://lostspoilers.extra.hu/kepek/changs4a.jpg
in the future (lost island's past)

[instrument]

Or wouldn't it make more sense that miles was the child in the other episode...........

[JDE]

For anyone wanting info on all things lost, I go to ew online.

http://www.ew.com/ew/0,,,00.html


Jeff(Doc)Jensen is as big of a geek fan as anyone, and his recaps always have little tidbits, plus they do this show called Totally Lost that is a enjoyable.

[K.C.]

Where did you get that quote?

And where do the rest of you go for your theories, I mean besides KC and his wandering mind who must have a whooooooooole lot of time on his hands.

Four minutes it took me to postulate that last theory.

[hammersavage]

Four minutes it took me to postulate that last theory.

Four minutes it took me to look up postulate.

[K.C.]

Four minutes it took me to look up postulate.

http://thedigitalmachine.com/images/Movies/GoodWillHunting.jpg

My boy is wicked smaht

[JDE]

I was just thinking that there is a temple on the island that we have never seen, maybe that is where in a future episode, we will see the monk again.

[K.C.]

http://i.iimmgg.com/images/gr/6830307839e9d372e51e87e341820db7.jpg

Hot preggers French chick with a rifle....this show knows how to pick 'em.

Casting has been especially good for the new characters this season.

[Coach_Mac]

Not sure if this was talked about, but just read this...The Internet is speculating that the Ajira Airlines bottle was brought by the Oceanic 6 when they return to the island, and so the time period with the canoes was a flash forward. So then...are Future Losties shooting at Past Losties?
I love it!
Yeah, I'm down with that theory, definitely sounds like something they'd do

http://i40.tinypic.com/2wpq88m.jpg
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ue1f5u.jpg
I love it!


And anyone else think its obvious that the airline is connected to the landing strip on the other island?
I really love it!
And can we get charlotte in a bikini before she pops?

I hate it. Not a fan.

[K.C.]

Not sure if I've done this before or not, but...


Top Five Lost Moments


#5
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[Coach_Mac]

I don't have the YouTube videos to back me up but Most of my top lost moments revolve around the discovering of, and getting into the hatch. Especially when the light came on. I loved seeing that light again last episode.

[ChrisTheCop]

What if the dead John Locke we see (Jeremy Bentham) is actually the John Locke we've been following, who gives his life so that the John Locke he doesnt want to run into can live on to fulfill his destiny once all this time shifting is corrected ?

Just something that occurred to me while wrestling with a perp earlier.

[drusilla]

it took me 4 minutes to understand that

[SP1!]

it took me 4 minutes to understand that

I still dont understand what he means, its too late to think that hard.

[PD]

I agree that Ms. Hawkings is Daniel's mom, what I don't buy yet is that Elle and her are the same person. The whole name thing could just be something to throw us all off, I really think Elle and Ms Hawkings are two people, if I am wrong, then I am going with Charlotte being his sister, if I am right, Elle is her mom, but she is not Ms Hawkings.

some of these things are answered in the Pop-up "enhanced" repeats-
which is why I try and watch them every time.

I wish they would stream those on abc.com instead of the regular episodes.

[Doogie]

Just something that occurred to me while wrestling with a perp earlier.

Did the perp look like Private Oppam...eerrr I mean Jeremy Bentham??

[ChrisTheCop]

What if the dead John Locke we see (Jeremy Bentham) is actually the John Locke we've been following, who gives his life so that the John Locke he doesnt want to run into can live on to fulfill his destiny once all this time shifting is corrected ?



Also, if they flash to when the submarine was running, Richard could get him a ticket to ride,
but I guess that wont happen. Guess he'll be turning the wheel.....afterwhich I predict we'll see the Black Rock, since his turn of the wheel will propel them even further back.

[JDE]

some of these things are answered in the Pop-up "enhanced" repeats-
which is why I try and watch them every time.

I wish they would stream those on abc.com instead of the regular episodes.


Did I miss something?


Oh and the enhanced episodes are on there PD, they are right under the regular ones.

[K.C.]

What if the dead John Locke we see (Jeremy Bentham) is actually the John Locke we've been following, who gives his life so that the John Locke he doesnt want to run into can live on to fulfill his destiny once all this time shifting is corrected ?

Just something that occurred to me while wrestling with a perp earlier.

That plays along with the idea that Doc Jensen in EW floated this week, that Desmond created an alternate timeline/universe when he started saving Charlie's life, and everything since the Finale of Season 3 has been happening in an alternate reality.

The one thing that stands out to me, thinking about that episode again, is that I remember Ben being very surprised when he learned that Charlie was in The Looking Glass, as if he never expected it.

That was one of the few times in the ENTIRE series that Ben has ever given off a vibe that he didn't know exactly what was going on. Then he panicked, sent the Others to the beach, and the rest is history.

Jensen laid out that getting the O6 to return will eliminate the alternate timeline. So theoretically, if the alternate timeline Locke killed himself, the original Locke would still be alive on the original timeline.


But, actually, I'm starting to believe more and more that Locke was never special, and that he will come to learn that everything he's been through has been Jacob using him to try and get to, whom he really wants -- Jack.

Remember, he FAILED Richard's test as a child. I still think there's significance to that. And Locke has been way too brazen about telling people he's the leader this season. Nothing ends happily for John Locke. I think he's going to find out he was set up all along by Jacob, Ben, and Richard.

[drusilla]

Remember, he FAILED Richard's test as a child. I still think there's significance to that.

what item did he pick if not the compass?

[K.C.]

what item did he pick if not the compass?

the knife.

[instrument]

Locke was just so willing to believe, and had wanted to believe he was special his entire life that I'm sure jacob realized that he would be pretty easy to control.

Remember the tail survivor who anna said would disappear for hours at a time, it would be cool if they somehow worked him into the group that's displaced, they never did explain wtf he was doing out there.

[JDE]

Another great read over at ew on everything going on, and what will or could be coming up.


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20257373,00.html

[ChrisTheCop]

That plays along with the idea that Doc Jensen in EW floated this week, that Desmond created an alternate timeline/universe when he started saving Charlie's life, and everything since the Finale of Season 3 has been happening in an alternate reality.

.

That's also an interesting thought.

But mine simply deals with what we know. There are 2 Locke time lines. If he were to die in the 'future', that wouldnt affect his past, and since he's on a different line, the surviving Locke could live on even past the dead Locke's termination.

[PD]

Another great read over at ew on everything going on, and what will or could be coming up.


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20257373,00.html

yes; very enjoyable.

Lindelof teases that the sci-fi-heavy season 5 (which includes more Smokey, four-toed statue, and numbers intrigue) ''sets up where we need to go in season 6, which will be much more grounded and character-centric than it is this year.''

I for one need to know more about Smokey.

[CruelCircus]

That plays along with the idea that Doc Jensen in EW floated this week, that Desmond created an alternate timeline/universe when he started saving Charlie's life, and everything since the Finale of Season 3 has been happening in an alternate reality.

Yuck.
Will it all end with a "Crisis On Infinite Losts"?

[CruelCircus]

i would assume if they are holding/ touching it, they can take the canoes with them.

It would have to be something like that, otherwise they'd all be naked with their clothes still back in 2004/5. Plus they're carrying their guns, too.

[WampusCrandle]

It would have to be something like that, otherwise they'd all be naked with their clothes still back in 2004/5. Plus they're carrying their guns, too.

that would be great, especially Juliet being all nude and hot .... mmmmm

[Coach_Mac]

that would be great, especially Juliet being all nude and hot .... mmmmm

I just don't get the whole, "Juliet and Charlotte being hot" thing. Juliet Looks like a mom (not a hot mom) and Charlotte looks like Corky (not the one from Florida). To me, I see it like this in order...

Hot / Not Hot
1. Kate / 1.Charlotte
2. Sun / 2. Juliette
3. Alex / 3. Danielle
4. Shannon / 4. Anna Lucia
5. Cindy / 5. Penny
6. Young Danielle / 6. Young Eloise (allegedly)

[Furtherman]

I can't start a conversation with anyone who doesn't think Anna Lucia is hot.

[disneyspy]

I can't start a conversation with anyone who doesn't think Anna Lucia is hot.

she was smokin hot in resident evilII

[HBox]

I just don't get the whole, "Juliet and Charlotte being hot" thing. Juliet Looks like a mom (not a hot mom) and Charlotte looks like Corky (not the one from Florida). To me, I see it like this in order...

Hot / Not Hot
1. Kate / 1.Charlotte
2. Sun / 2. Juliette
3. Alex / 3. Danielle
4. Shannon / 4. Anna Lucia
5. Cindy / 5. Penny
6. Young Danielle / 6. Young Eloise (allegedly)

I'm sure you are gay.

[meanmrbill]

I just don't get the whole, "Juliet and Charlotte being hot" thing. Juliet Looks like a mom (not a hot mom) and Charlotte looks like Corky (not the one from Florida). To me, I see it like this in order...

Hot / Not Hot
1. Kate / 1.Charlotte
2. Sun / 2. Juliette
3. Alex / 3. Danielle
4. Shannon / 4. Anna Lucia
5. Cindy / 5. Penny
6. Young Danielle / 6. Young Eloise (allegedly)

This should just be the hot list. Charlotte, Anna Lucia and Penny not hot???? :thumbdown:

[JDE]

A new Doc Jensen article to get ready for tonights episode, this one might make your nose bleed.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1550612_20245769_20258405,00.html

[K.C.]

It would have to be something like that, otherwise they'd all be naked with their clothes still back in 2004/5. Plus they're carrying their guns, too.

I'm sticking with the idea of symbiosis between the lives of the survivors and the life of the island.

They're both moving.

[WampusCrandle]

question: do we know how long this smoke monster has been on the island?

[WampusCrandle]

nice discovery of a ruined temple with Egyptian writings ... i hope it gets to answer the ruined statue with four toes

[HBox]

Wow. There's a bit tidbit about the monster.

[WampusCrandle]

well, its official - Charlotte grew up on the island, in the Dharma Initiative.

[HBox]

Was Charlotte the girl who Ben liked as a child?

[WampusCrandle]

Was Charlotte the girl who Ben liked as a child?

as of yet, we don't know, and it doesn't seem like we are going to know now that she died.

[WampusCrandle]

so, Jacob is definitely Christian, or should i assume that he is taking form of Christian?

[WampusCrandle]

wow, next episode looks insane. they way that they have to find the island looks interesting - reminds me of some kind of hippie, energy seeking crystal to fix chi.

[K.C.]

I'm just going to ramble while I try to wrap my head around this.

-Did Ben usurp John's destiny???? The conversation with Christian was very interesting. Locke was suppose to leave the island and play the role that Ben was playing. Does that mean that Ben was suppose to play the role that Locke is now playing, and was ultimately suppose to sacrifice himself? Did he know it ahead of time, and had the power to change his destiny? And how would that affect the flow of the time-line?

-Ben obviously didn't know that Hawking was Faraday's mother by his reaction to it.

-While I'm disappointed Charlotte's dead, her whole dying sequence was awesome. It seems more and more likely to me that she's Annie from the DHARMA Initiative.

-She also seemed to suggest that Daniel will try and change time by warning her at some point in a future episode. He's obviously not capable of it. I wonder if he can enlist Desmond, though, and what affect that would have, since Desmond appears to be able to change time.

-The Rousseau stuff was interesting. The Smoke Monster obviously has some kind of powers to possess people, which explains the whole Eko/Yemi sequence from Season 3. The relation of the Smoke Monster to Jacob, if any, is the big question.

-Charlotte told Jin not to let Locke bring back 'her.' Is it Sun? Is it Ji-Yeon? Was Charlotte talking about herself, while stuck in a flash?

-Time should be fixed on the island now.

-Anyone catch the music box on the beach that Sayid fixed for Rousseau in Season 1? Neat little addition for people who caught it.


All in all, best episode of the season.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Eh.

[K.C.]

Oh, and I'm not allowed to have chocolate before dinner.

:clap:

:glurps:

[Coach_Mac]

I can't start a conversation with anyone who doesn't think Anna Lucia is hot.

see below.

This should just be the hot list. Charlotte, Anna Lucia and Penny not hot???? :thumbdown:

Charlotte- I can't look at her without seeing Rocky Dennis
Anna Lucia- Hot, but way too manly in every movie. Very un-feminine.
Penny- just has an odd look to her

[spadanko]

Great fucking episode.. my Lord. I agree that Charlotte is Annie (even though Annie didn't have blue eyes).. and I think Locke is Jacob

[Doogie]

I'm just going to ramble while I try to wrap my head around this.

-Did Ben usurp John's destiny???? The conversation with Christian was very interesting. Locke was suppose to leave the island and play the role that Ben was playing. Does that mean that Ben was suppose to play the role that Locke is now playing, and was ultimately suppose to sacrifice himself? Did he know it ahead of time, and had the power to change his destiny? And how would that affect the flow of the time-line?

-Ben obviously didn't know that Hawking was Faraday's mother by his reaction to it.

-While I'm disappointed Charlotte's dead, her whole dying sequence was awesome. It seems more and more likely to me that she's Annie from the DHARMA Initiative.

-She also seemed to suggest that Daniel will try and change time by warning her at some point in a future episode. He's obviously not capable of it. I wonder if he can enlist Desmond, though, and what affect that would have, since Desmond appears to be able to change time.

-The Rousseau stuff was interesting. The Smoke Monster obviously has some kind of powers to possess people, which explains the whole Eko/Yemi sequence from Season 3. The relation of the Smoke Monster to Jacob, if any, is the big question.

-Charlotte told Jin not to let Locke bring back 'her.' Is it Sun? Is it Ji-Yeon? Was Charlotte talking about herself, while stuck in a flash?

-Time should be fixed on the island now.

-Anyone catch the music box on the beach that Sayid fixed for Rousseau in Season 1? Neat little addition for people who caught it.


All in all, best episode of the season.

1. I was thinking along the same lines. Ben was more than eager to move the island initially, yet did it in a demure way as if he was making a big sacrifice cause of it. Remember in seasons 3 and 4, Ben needed Locke to talk to Jacob. And Ben was not afraid to kill Locke in order to gain advantage. And along that path Sayid was quick to say to Jack in the episode prior to tonights "Ben is only out for anything to help himself."

2. See, I dont think he was surprised at that revelation, but more like annoyed. Almost like he saw a need to deal with Desmond down the road.

3. I have to re-watch season 3 again and remember Annie.

4. That was a key thing I thought about too. Daniel is not exactly forward about what he is or isnt doing. I think he is not too unlike Ben in that he will do things now for his advantage. But I dont think it is as sinister as Ben, I think he just wants to save his love.

5. I was dissapointed we didnt get to see anymore of the temple and the Rousseau flashbacks. I thought they were fucking fantastic, gave us more about the essence of the island than anything up to this point has shown us.

My personal fave moment was Sayid's warning to Ben and Jack about not coming near him again. Nice and chilling warning is what that was.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I love how Ben used the ring to prove the Jin was alive, while Jin gave John the ring to prove to Sun that Jin was dead.

Also loved that he had to drive Sun and Jack to the church before showing the ring to Sun, he's always lying.

[spadanko]

So did Christian Sheppard have to die to return to the island?

what is Locke (jacob), alpert, widmore, eloise, and sheppard are all the Black rock Crew?!
:huh:

i think Sheppard was part of Dharma

[Doogie]

So did Christian Sheppard have to die to return to the island?

what is Locke (jacob), alpert, widmore, eloise, and sheppard are all the Black rock Crew?!
:huh:

i think Sheppard was part of Dharma

I dont think Christian is so much back as he is a spirit. I think that is why he wouldnt give John help at the end of tonights episode. He couldnt.

I dont Christian was a part of DHARMA either. Then again I have been proven wrong before.

[K.C.]

I love how Ben used the ring to prove the Jin was alive, while Jin gave John the ring to prove to Sun that Jin was dead.

Also loved that he had to drive Sun and Jack to the church before showing the ring to Sun, he's always lying.

I can't wait for the Ben/Locke conversation in the 'what happened to Locke' episode.

I imagine we'll get a few answers there.

But Locke is being played by either Ben or Jacob.

If Ben is playing him, then Ben really must be working in opposition of Jacob and the island at this point, which would explain why his advice, of everyone going back, is directly contrary to the warnings that Kate received about bringing back Aaron, and Jin received about bringing back either Sun or Ji-Yeon or both.

If Jacob is playing Locke, then Locke is ultimately going to be made out to look like a fool, because Jacob is basically talking him into killing himself for no purpose other than to get to Jack, all the while, enlisting Ben to do the REAL work of bringing everyone together.

It wouldn't surprise me if Ben completely crushes Locke, revealing to him that his entire life has been meaningless, which prompts Locke to kill himself.

[WampusCrandle]

3. I have to re-watch season 3 again and remember Annie.

5. I was dissapointed we didnt get to see anymore of the temple and the Rousseau flashbacks. I thought they were fucking fantastic, gave us more about the essence of the island than anything up to this point has shown us.

here's annie:
http://home.blarg.net/~wayule/graphics/lost_annie02.jpg

here's charlotte:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/0/06/4x13_HowDidYouKnow.jpg

i will say that they do have the same teeth and ears .... and i would make complete sense that she would be Annie.

I'm completely and utterly wanting to know more about how the smoke monster works and its connection to the temple.

[K.C.]

So did Christian Sheppard have to die to return to the island?

what is Locke (jacob), alpert, widmore, eloise, and sheppard are all the Black rock Crew?!
:huh:

i think Sheppard was part of Dharma

I don't know why people think Locke is Jacob.

I'm not buying that one yet.

Alpert...yes, I've always thought he was part of the Black Rock.

Widmore...maybe. Eloise...maybe.

Christian, I always suspected was a DHARMA scientist or experimental doctor. The island knew of him before his death in Sydney, and saw him as a convenient vessel to carry out Jacob's will.

But I don't think it's anymore than that. I don't think Christian plays some huge part in the overall mythology, other than being the mouthpiece of Jacob.

[spadanko]

I don't know why people think Locke is Jacob.

I'm not buying that one yet.

Alpert...yes, I've always thought he was part of the Black Rock.

Widmore...maybe. Eloise...maybe.

Christian, I always suspected was a DHARMA scientist or experimental doctor. The island knew of him before his death in Sydney, and saw him as a convenient vessel to carry out Jacob's will.

But I don't think it's anymore than that. I don't think Christian plays some huge part in the overall mythology, other than being the mouthpiece of Jacob.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2epmy4n.jpg

pic of Jacob... looks like Locke to me

I can't wait to see when the Black rock lands on the island

[King Imp]

Not Hot
5. Penny

Have you ever seen any of the nudes the actress who plays Penny has done in the past? I think you might change your mind on that Not Hot thing.

[Reephdweller]

http://i39.tinypic.com/2epmy4n.jpg

pic of Jacob... looks like Locke to me

I can't wait to see when the Black rock lands on the island
Christian Shepard is actually Jacob. I think in some way he is vital to the whole show and the reason for everyone's existence.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The reveal of Mrs. Hawkings as Faraday's mother was a bit silly. Who didn't think that was who she was long before last night?

[Furtherman]

nice discovery of a ruined temple with Egyptian writings ... i hope it gets to answer the ruined statue with four toes

There is a legend that the ancient Egyptians were actually survivors of Atlantis.

Could the island be Atlantis? Atlantis was also a very advanced culture, with technology like the smoke monster a probability.


Some great stuff in this episode.

"She's probably chasing a butterfly" - a nod the the Butterfly Effect theory? We saw it work with Faraday warning Desmond in the past and then Desmond remembering it in the future.

I had forgotten how cool, and chilling, Jin sounds when he says "Monster!"

French man's arm comes off! And there we have the arm that Vincent came onto the beach with in Season 1. Might have been the first or second episode.

Miles continues to be my favorite off-plane character. "He's Korean, I'm from Encino."

"Just Klingon."




The reveal of Mrs. Hawkings as Faraday's mother was a bit silly. Who didn't think that was who she was long before last night?

Ben.