Lost: Season 5

[disneyspy]

just watched it,wow,holy fuck,at least we know how farrady helped buid the swan now

[Friday]

after 3 years he should speak it as good as me

:blink:

[ChrisTheCop]

does jin know english yet?

he seems to know enough to get around

after 3 years he should speak it as good as me

I watched it at work with plenty of distractions, but one thing that stuck out was that when Jin was talking to "LaFleur", his English was perfect, due I assumed to learning for 3 years.

2 WEEKS? Can I blame basketball for this? Or are they doing a recap show?

[TooLowBrow]

that sonic fence sure is easy to bypass

[ChrisTheCop]

that sonic fence sure is easy to bypass

I'm guessing Ben pumped up the volume;
they werent as violently affected as Sergei (eye patch).

[Pestz4Evah]

2 WEEKS? Can I blame basketball for this? Or are they doing a recap show?

ABC.com says next week is 2 reruns of Scrubs at 8:00, then an enhanced episode of "LaFleur" at 9:00.

I thought the season was supposed to run straight thru without reruns:thumbdown:

[TooLowBrow]

I'm guessing Ben pumped up the volume;
they werent as violently affected as Sergei (eye patch).

maybe not

aren't the island people unkillable?

[pittphantoms]

How old is Ben?

If they were in 1974 - that means the kid is only 35-ish... Im sure it means SOMETHING...

[CountryBob]

How old is Ben?

If they were in 1974 - that means the kid is only 35-ish... Im sure it means SOMETHING...

I cant remember - is there any family backstory with Desmond? He could be about that old?

[pittphantoms]

Also, just to point out that the lady who gave birth last night used to be Michelle on 24... when they killed her off on that show was the end of me there... I was a big fan.

[spadanko]

Ben is not there yet because Goodspeed had a different wife when he went to the mainland to bring back Ben and his dad.

[ChrisTheCop]

Ben is not there yet because Goodspeed had a different wife when he went to the mainland to bring back Ben and his dad.

If it wasnt for Sawyer saving her life, Horace may have never married Amy.
Events have already been changed.

[ChrisTheCop]

maybe not

aren't the island people unkillable?

tell that to Eko, Michael, AnaLucia, Charlie, Libby, Razzle and Dazzle. And Frogurt.

Or if you meant Richard's people, tell that to Richards people who were killed last night.

My point was that it seemed to be at a lower volume than when Sergei went thru it.

[Furtherman]

Can this show get any better?! Last night's episode was awesome.

And the Dharma Van is slowly becoming one my favorite TV vehicles.

Now we'll have another backstory as to why they stayed on the island. They might as well have as going back to the mainland in the 70's would be very problematic. Although with sport knowledge they could have made a hell of lot of money on betting.


The scene at the table with the camera twirling around was fantastic. This was one of the few episodes I have to watch again right away.

[PD]

never mind; I see Wampus corrected himself.

[PD]

Sawyer just mentioned Nestor Carbonell's eyeliner! Not a big deal, I just thought they would ignore that. It's something the actor has, not just Richard Alpert.

I loved that too.
I think in a podcast that the actor mentioned he doesn't put on eyeliner, but is asked that all the time; its obviously a nice inside joke.


Can this show get any better?! Last night's episode was awesome.
.

I love this show. This wasn't a big action episode, but a lot of goodness

[hydee]

I have been thinking about Horace since last night. My question is, do you think that Sawyer eventually leveled with him over the last 3 years. I wonder this because of the cabin building episode with Horace and Locke. I wonder if he was able to be a guide for Locke because he knew the situation, or it could have just been a Lost moment that isn't related.

I knew that Sawyer and Juliet would most likely become involved, and I thought I would have massive issues with it, since I really want Sawyer and Kate to be together. Surprisingly I was happy for them. They both had to get over Kate and Jack and were able to find love with each other so that was great.

I also really liked how Sawyer was in charge. When someone asked who put Sawyer in charge I totally yelled at my TV "Hurley did mother fucker" I honestly don't think that Sawyer could be the guy he is now without Hurley's help. The whole boar feast and the fake banishing episode was a great character builder for Saywer. I also like how he dealt with Richard and used his old con man ways to make things smooth for everyone. The Sawyer we saw last night was just amazing to watch.

[PD]

Rose and Bernard are still unaccounted for (but probably dead).

In a previous podcast they said Rose (and maybe bernard, i forget) is alive and will be seen again.

and Walt's dog (Vincent ?) will be seen, and will be around until the end.

[PD]

aren't the island people unkillable?
tell that to Eko, Michael, AnaLucia, Charlie, Libby, Razzle and Dazzle. And Frogurt.

Or if you meant Richard's people, tell that to Richards people who were killed last night.



It's not that the Island people are unkillable- it's that they can't die if the Island still has a purpose for them.
(ie: Jack, and Michael)

[Aggie]

I watched it at work with

Way to protect and serve! Pay attention to those criminals please!

I for one enjoy the Sawyer love triangle. I really hope Kate doesn't mindfuck him again though. He seemed really happy with Juliet!

I was a little disappointed that the flashes stopped before we got the Black Rock story. We may still get it in a flashback but I thought it would be cool if some Losties interacted with them.

I screamed when I saw the statue, it definitely looked Egyptian and then with the ankh necklace I thought that confirmed it. I'm trying to search right now for Egyptian statues with four toes. Only thing I found so far is the Sphinx.


http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2009/03/5x08_statue-thumb-470x264-2030.jpg

[HBox]

Where did Ben end Locke end up when they left the island? And where did Charlotte find the dead polar bear? Was that Egypt? If so, did that statue simply make the opposite trip?

[hydee]

In a previous podcast they said Rose (and maybe bernard, i forget) is alive and will be seen again.

and Walt's dog (Vincent ?) will be seen, and will be around until the end.


The actors that play Rose and Bernard are working actors outside of lost so their disappearance is something I don't worry about the writers use then when the can and let them work on other stuff. I always imagine them exploring the island by themselves when they are missing for a while.

[Furtherman]

Where did Ben end Locke end up when they left the island? And where did Charlotte find the dead polar bear? Was that Egypt? If so, did that statue simply make the opposite trip?

Tunisia, on both counts, which is on the northern top of Africa.

I doubt it made any trip, but was built by the people who were first on the island. Which falls into my Atlantis theory. There is a legend that the first Egyptians where actually survivors of Atlantis.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Alperts face on the statue? My guess.

[HBox]

The actors that play Rose and Bernard are working actors outside of lost so their disappearance is something I don't worry about the writers use then when the can and let them work on other stuff. I always imagine them exploring the island by themselves when they are missing for a while.

I imagine them experiencing the most painful and agonizing death possible and hope that the writers don't bring them back and ruin my fantasy.

I've seriously had enough of old sassy, spiritual black woman in every single form of entertainment.

[SP1!]

Ethan...and no I dont believe it, just having some fun with the speculation.

And I like that Sawyer took the name "Le Fleur." He is "The Flower", part of the cycle of life of the island.
Wasnt LaFluer the name sawyer used when he was conning people?

C'mon...Governor Patterson saw that one coming!! It was only a matter of time before their romance bloomed. Now I am waiting to watch it all get complicated once everyone else gets back to the island.
God I hate that love triangle shit, if I wanted a soap opera I would watch days of our lives, you are on an island 30 years in the past I dont think you would have time for love triangle shit. It pisses me off that he didnt tell juliet, now you know that shit is gonna start again, fuck just get to some stories about what the fuck went on.

just watched it,wow,holy fuck,at least we know how farrady helped buid the swan now

How the hell did I miss that? I dont remember seeing faraday doing anything in the dharma camp.

Liked the episode, one of the better ones of the year but 2 weeks? Come on, thats why I hate regular TV.

[Aggie]

How the hell did I miss that? I dont remember seeing faraday doing anything in the dharma camp.

Liked the episode, one of the better ones of the year but 2 weeks? Come on, thats why I hate regular TV.

It wasn't on last night's episode. I believe it was the first ep of the season when he is shown down where they are digging and that guy gets sick from being too close to the "time travel matter". He walks up and talks to the guy who does the dharma orientation films. I can't remember his name right now. We just didn't know how Faraday ended up there but we found out last night.

[PD]

How the hell did I miss that? I dont remember seeing faraday doing anything in the dharma camp..
there was episode not that long ago where we see Faraday in hard hat in the swan tunnel as they were building it, and discovered the magnetic intensity.

[Boricua1]

Has anyone seen this

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1723/tawaret.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

Quote:
Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies.....

In most subsequent depictions, Taweret was depicted with features of a pregnant woman. In a composite addition to the animal-compound she was also seen with pendulous breasts, a full pregnant abdomen, and long, straight human hair on her head.

As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life, or a knife, which would be used to threaten evil spirits.


....As the goddess of motherhood, Taweret was eventually assimilated into the identity of Mut, the great-mother goddess.

[Furtherman]

Has anyone seen this

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1723/tawaret.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

Quote:
Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies.....

In most subsequent depictions, Taweret was depicted with features of a pregnant woman. In a composite addition to the animal-compound she was also seen with pendulous breasts, a full pregnant abdomen, and long, straight human hair on her head.

As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life, or a knife, which would be used to threaten evil spirits.


....As the goddess of motherhood, Taweret was eventually assimilated into the identity of Mut, the great-mother goddess.

Wow... that's gotta be it.

As for the Ankh... I had a little "oh wow" moment because I have one in my TV room. I bought a replica of the ones they found in King Tuts tomb when his treasures were on tour last year.

[SP1!]

Ahhhhh fuck this is all gonna be about aliens, isnt it? Thats gonna suck of the island takes off and leaves at the end of the series, after the X Files Im just sick of how aliens are behind everything.

[Furtherman]

God I hate that love triangle shit, if I wanted a soap opera I would watch days of our lives, you are on an island 30 years in the past I dont think you would have time for love triangle shit. It pisses me off that he didnt tell juliet, now you know that shit is gonna start again, fuck just get to some stories about what the fuck went on.

Ahhhhh fuck this is all gonna be about aliens, isnt it? Thats gonna suck of the island takes off and leaves at the end of the series, after the X Files Im just sick of how aliens are behind everything.

I don't see how you can enjoy any television show.

[WampusCrandle]

Ahhhhh fuck this is all gonna be about aliens, isnt it? Thats gonna suck of the island takes off and leaves at the end of the series, after the X Files Im just sick of how aliens are behind everything.

how did you get to that conclusion? :blink:

[SP1!]

I don't see how you can enjoy any television show.
If I want a love triangle I will watch a 3 some porno and Im just sick of aliens but I do like paranormal shit so its got me interested, if its aliens it will be a let down for me.

how did you get to that conclusion? :blink:
Well everything egyptian is tied back to aliens somehow it seems

[Furtherman]

If I want a love triangle I will watch a 3 some porno and Im just sick of aliens but I do like paranormal shit so its got me interested, if its aliens it will be a let down for me.


Well everything egyptian is tied back to aliens somehow it seems

Riiiiiiight.

It seems like you don't even know what you like!

[disneyspy]

Well everything egyptian is tied back to aliens somehow it seems

ya like star gate and um wait,let me think uh,um

[TooLowBrow]

i think the writers came out and said that its definitely not aliens

[SP1!]

Riiiiiiight.

It seems like you don't even know what you like!
I know what I like but Im sick of aliens being somehow involved in everything, we get it they are smarter than us.

ya like star gate and um wait,let me think uh,um
Everything is tied back to aliens that involves egypt which is why I hate those fuckers, go walk somwhere damn cat worshipers!

[SP1!]

i think the writers came out and said that its definitely not aliens

Yeah they also said time travel was not part of the plot as well a few years ago

[Furtherman]

Yeah they also said time travel was not part of the plot as well a few years ago

No they didn't.

[K.C.]

They need to put a version of the series on DVD in chronological order. It was be a million times less compelling but also without confusion.

Maybe I'll put together a timeline some day.

I think there's one up on Lostpedia, but it reads kind of awkwardly.

[K.C.]

i think the writers came out and said that its definitely not aliens

They did, but they also kind of dropped an extremely vague hint awhile back that the island could be spaceship-y.

[Don Stugots]

when was Jack born?

[WampusCrandle]

Well everything egyptian is tied back to aliens somehow it seems

i think someone has been watching Stargate too much

[K.C.]

when was Jack born?

Late 60s, early 70s.

Locke was '56....Ben was '62 from his fake passport.

[Don Stugots]

Late 60s, early 70s.

Locke was '56....Ben was '62 from his fake passport.

early 70's? like say, maybe, 74?

[K.C.]

early 70's? like say, maybe, 74?

I get where you're going, but for Christian not to be his dad would be a little too wacky, after everything we've seen. And his mom has been in a couple flashbacks.

Plus the kid just born was born in '77.

[Don Stugots]

oh, never mind then.

[SP1!]

No they didn't.
Yes they did, it was a big link on fark a few weeks ago and they had a season 2 interview where they said time travel does not happen on the island.

They did, but they also kind of dropped an extremely vague hint awhile back that the island could be spaceship-y.
Im getting stabby

i think someone has been watching Stargate too muchNo I kind of expected that going into stargate but I think its the X Files movie that pissed me off when half of Antarctica broke off and flew away.

I guess I just dont like the easy explanation of "ahhhhhhhhh it was aliens....." I would rather it be some unexplained shit that happens on earth.

[TooLowBrow]

i can see them using aliens to explain where the technology came from but i dont think humans will ever meet them (unless the smoke monster is an alien)

the writers have already lied about time travel so i guees they lied about the aliens too

[disneyspy]

only an alien could live as long as alpert

[Furtherman]

Yes they did, it was a big link on fark a few weeks ago and they had a season 2 interview where they said time travel does not happen on the island.

No I kind of expected that going into stargate but I think its the X Files movie that pissed me off when half of Antarctica broke off and flew away.

You produce that link and I'll say you're right.


The X-Files was all about an alien conspiracy... what could you have possibly expected from that first movie?!

[TooLowBrow]

You produce that link and I'll say you're right.


The X-Files was all about an alien conspiracy... what could you have possibly expected from that first movie?!

# Source:

* SciFiWire Interview - 'As the show progresses, [Damon Lindelof] added, it won't venture too far into science fiction as its mysteries unfold. "We're still trying to be... firmly ensconced in the world of science fact," he said in an interview. "I don't think we've shown anything on the show yet that has no rational explanation in the real world that we all function within. We certainly hint at psychic phenomena, happenstance and... things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible. There are no spaceships. There isn't any time travel."'

* How the Producers contradicted themselves:

* In "Flashes Before Your Eyes" and "The Constant", Desmond has a lucid flashback and Desmond's consciousness did, in fact, time travel (as confirmed by the producers), respectively. In There's No Place Like Home we learn specifically that a) DHARMA was using the Orchid to conduct experiments dealing with manipulating space-time and b) that coming into contact with the "negatively charged exotic matter" when Ben moves the Island via the Orchid wheel causes him to time jump in his entirety to the Tunisian desert 10 months later in "The Shape of Things to Come", reminding us of the DHARMA polar bear skeleton Charlotte finds in "Confirmed Dead".
* Knowing that time travel has become (and possibly always was) an integral part of the show's mythology, Damon's indication that there was neither spaceships nor time travel in any interview casts major doubt and calls into suspect that there will be no spaceships in Lost. Since those statements were made during Season 1, it can be argued that there had been no spaceships or time travel to our knowledge yet, or that such information would not be revealed until later seasons. Also, it should be noted that nowhere in the SciFi Wire article is there mention of aliens one way or another; the only thing mentioned in the text relating to this section is a single reference to "spaceships." Add to this more recent statement by Lindelof that "Somewhere just outside the Crab Nebula is where it will all end, geographically," evidence of spaceships being involved in Lost actually seems to mounting... ABC News: 'Lost' Fans Will Find Answers


:ohmy:

[Furtherman]

Well, to say "things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible... There isn't any time travel." is pretty damn contradictory and could be read any number of ways. That might have been a coy response, or when they got the order that they had a finite number of years left, that changed the course they had to take.

Nevertheless, it was said, so I'll say SP1! was correct.




Oh, and thanks TooLowBrow :tongue:

[PigShitIrish]

Has anyone seen this

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1723/tawaret.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taweret

Quote:
Taweret became seen, very early in Egyptian history, as a deity of protection in pregnancy and childbirth. Pregnant women wore amulets with her name or likeness to protect their pregnancies.....

In most subsequent depictions, Taweret was depicted with features of a pregnant woman. In a composite addition to the animal-compound she was also seen with pendulous breasts, a full pregnant abdomen, and long, straight human hair on her head.

As a protector, she often was shown with one arm resting on the sa symbol, which symbolized protection, and on occasion she carried an ankh, the symbol of life, or a knife, which would be used to threaten evil spirits.


....As the goddess of motherhood, Taweret was eventually assimilated into the identity of Mut, the great-mother goddess.

Maybe the statue being destroyed has something to do with women on the island having troubled pregnancies. Unless there was already an explanation for this that I forgot about.

[PD]

I don't remember that specifically, but I do remember that they said things will be explainable. the time travel things will inevitably be chalked up to string theory.

The first season they may not have been sure where they were going.
I'm pretty sure I heard that Ben was not supposed to be a major character, but after they saw the impact he had, they changed course.
I think that after the writer's strike, when they had a definitive date, the storyline gelled.

edit:

I just realized there are a whole lot of things that can't be explained, like the concept that the Island won't let characters die if they are still needed.

[disneyspy]

im not so sure that the island wont let people die if they're still needed but i still think it likes to have a certain amount of people,i started thinking this when boone died and claire had aaron. not sure how that ties into the pregancy thing

[SP1!]

only an alien could live as long as alpert
God that guy creeps me out, I could see him peeling of his face and a big V like alien popping out.

Well, to say "things being in a place where they probably shouldn't be. But nothing is flat-out impossible... There isn't any time travel." is pretty damn contradictory and could be read any number of ways. That might have been a coy response, or when they got the order that they had a finite number of years left, that changed the course they had to take.

Nevertheless, it was said, so I'll say SP1! was correct.




Oh, and thanks TooLowBrow :tongue:LOL thanks TLB, I was at work and forgot about this but I knew I remembered reading it somewhere. Oh and I knew aliens were in X files I just wished something other than Antarctica breaking up and flying away, I was bitching at the screen "Come on, someone would have noticed that shit!"

Still I hope this doesnt involve aliens or they are limited to lizard like V creatures cause those would kick ass!

[hammersavage]

Tonight just feels empty.

KC, explain the entire series until this point in the meantime.

[Doogie]

Why is there no new Lost tonight?? Did we really need to fucking put Scrubs on in this slot for one evening?? Why God, why?!?!?!

[WampusCrandle]

Why is there no new Lost tonight?? Did we really need to fucking put Scrubs on in this slot for one evening?? Why God, why?!?!?!

they said there would be a new one in two weeks. i know, im hurting too

[Drunky McBetidont]

i noticed most shows are in repeat this week and next. this must be the opposite of sweeps week for tv.

[KatPw]

Motherfucker. I've been looking forward to a new ep all day. I feel cheated.

[Friday]

Motherfucker. I've been looking forward to a new ep all day. I feel cheated.

x2

didn't realize it wasn't new tonight.
i am ensaddened...

[Foster]

this is last week's show,
are we stuck in a time loop?

[KatPw]

this is last week's show,
are we stuck in a time loop?

If I get a nosebleed, I'll let you know.

[Foster]

If I get a nosebleed, I'll let you know.

make sure you put Vaseline in your nose to prevent that

[KatPw]

make sure you put Vaseline in your nose to prevent that

:lol:

[Gvac]

Everyone keeps talking about this show and I've never seen a single episode so I've decided to start watching.

What have I missed so far?

[Foster]

Everyone keeps talking about this show and I've never seen a single episode so I've decided to start watching.

What have I missed so far?

plane crashed on an island,

people who have been living on the island try to kill survivors of crash,

laughter ensues

[TooLowBrow]

Everyone keeps talking about this show and I've never seen a single episode so I've decided to start watching.

What have I missed so far?

they got lost

more people got lost

there are others

more people get lost trying to find the island

some of the lost people get found

then they get lost again

[Gvac]

plane crashed on an island,

people who have been living on the island try to kill survivors of crash,

laughter ensues

they got lost

more people got lost

there are others

more people get lost trying to find the island

some of the lost people get found

then they get lost again

Thanks guys!

I can't wait to dive into this!

[instrument]

Its obvious that alpert doesn't appear to age for the same reason locke doesn't seem to age to widmore, him and his group are moving through time.

I really hope this show ends without answering everyones questions, leave with a bit of intrigue.

[fezident]

make sure you put Vaseline in your nose to prevent that

Sure... NOW ya tell me.
-Stevie Nicks

[BeerBandit]

Has the topic of who does the "Previously on Lost" voiceover ever been broached? Do we know who it is? I'll be damned if it doesn't sound like Christian.

[ChrisTheCop]

Has the topic of who does the "Previously on Lost" voiceover ever been broached? Do we know who it is? I'll be damned if it doesn't sound like Christian.

Because it is. Dunno if it's been discussed, but it is known.

You shall not be damned.

[BeerBandit]

Because it is. Dunno if it's been discussed, but it is known.

You shall not be damned.
Ok, I just hadn't seen it anywhere. Thanks budday!

[Pestz4Evah]

Has the topic of who does the "Previously on Lost" voiceover ever been broached? Do we know who it is? I'll be damned if it doesn't sound like Christian.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Previously_on_Lost

[BeerBandit]

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Previously_on_Lost
So we don't "know" that it's Christian.

[drusilla]

I thought La Fours was head of security.


sorry it took me so long since i just caught up, but :clap:

[drusilla]

http://lost.cubit.net/archives/2009/03/5x08-the-egyptian-god-anubis.php


The screen shot of the statue from tonight's episode along with the ankh necklace that Paul wore in the episode has turned up a strong connection to the Egyptian God Anubis. In fact, SWLS is saying that the four-toed statue IS in fact Anubis.



i think i like the other god better, but on the wiki page for it i saw 5 toes


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Tawaret_figurine_%28Boston_MFA%29.jpg/259px-Tawaret_figurine_%28Boston_MFA%29.jpg

[hammersavage]

15 minutes. Longest 2 weeks of my life.

[Friday]

<3 hurley!

just had to say that.

ok no more talkin till the end.

[Drunky McBetidont]

<3 hurley!

just had to say that.

ok no more talkin till the end.

<<<<< :wub:

[drusilla]

this is so wacky

[Doctor Manhattan]

...So flight 316 landed on the runway (the one Sawyer and Kate were forced to work on)?...

I fucking called it! And I know it wasn't a planned/smooth landing, perhaps I should have said "So flight 316 used the runway"

[Doogie]

The question is where was Ben going?? And we saw him a few weeks back all fucked up. Lopedis do it?? Sun?? Or maybe even the others?? We shall see...

PS. I really need to go back and watch season 3 again. I have forgotten a lot from that season.

[drusilla]

Ethan...and no I dont believe it, just having some fun with the speculation.

And I like that Sawyer took the name "Le Fleur." He is "The Flower", part of the cycle of life of the island.

!!!!!

[Doogie]

!!!!!

Wow...I am stunned myself. And that was a fucking goof of a pick.

[Drunky McBetidont]

nice to meet ben

[K.C.]

Not a very eventful episode. More of a set up one.

I'm most interested what happened to Faraday. I'm sure everyone caught that little line.

The Christian part was cool, as well.

All in all, not much happened. There's not too many things I noticed, other than the obvious runway thing at the beginning.

[Doogie]

God...I really enjoyed tonights episode. I literally was leaping out of my seat every time a reveal happened. I LOVED that interaction between Sayid and Ben at the end. I also loved Christian is now appearing to Sun and even Lopedis.

Now we guess they are going to release Sayid into the jungle. But is it possible that maybe the Dharma people will try to kill Sayid and the survivors will release him causing a need for revenge by the Dharma people, hence they kill a "hostile" and trigger the war that ultimately leads to Ben committing genocide against Dharma.

I also loved that interaction between Sawyer and Jack at the end. I felt Sawyer is right and that a portion of the bad that has happened to the 815 survivors is cause of Jack reacting to something instead of thinking. Hell almost right away from the beginning, Jack reacts. Even when Locke was trying to tell him that the island was "beautiful." When Juliet was explaining about the roles of the "others." When the chopper appeared and Jack instantly reacted to getting off as opposed to thinking about the whole situation. Hell even getting everyone together on the flight to get them back to the island, he was reacting instead of thinking.

Hell in the beginning we saw Sawyer thinking about surviving and hording goods. He out thought everyone to get the guns. Sawyer did a lot of shitty things while on the island, but he did them after thinking and not reacting. Yet it was awkward too that interaction because Jack is not used to being in charge. Sawyer is a guy that although he thinks, he may not be one of the best people to be in charge, as a lot of his decisions tend to be self-centered. Sure this season and the last we saw a lot of changes in Sawyers character, and hell the man might have of even found purpose. But I think in the end, Sawyer is out for Sawyer.

We shall see how all of this plays out. Kudos to a great fucking episode though...two weeks off sucked, but this one ruled.

:clap:

[K.C.]

Things I learned tonight:

#1 - The Swan station still isn't built. If you remember back to the Orientation video in Season 2, the button pushing started as a result of an 'incident.' That has not occurred yet. Apparently, the thing that kills pregnant women hasn't occurred either. Are they linked? I wonder if Jughead gets detonated during this time period, or something.

#2 - It's looking more and more likely that Ben's omniscience is a result of having come in contact with the future 815ers as a kid, hence the Sayid/Young Ben meeting tonight.

#3 - Building off that, is it possible that two Ben's can't exist at the same time in the same time period? Is that why he ended up in 2007? If so, why did Sun and Frank end up there as well.

#4 - Faraday....he's either dead, on permanent assignment building the Orchid (as we saw in Episode 1), or joined the Hostiles.

#5 - Ethan is Amy and Horace's kid...hope everyone caught that.



That's about it.

[Doogie]

Things I learned tonight:

#1 - The Swan station still isn't built. If you remember back to the Orientation video in Season 2, the button pushing started as a result of an 'incident.' That has not occurred yet. Apparently, the thing that kills pregnant women hasn't occurred either. Are they linked? I wonder if Jughead gets detonated during this time period, or something.

#2 - It's looking more and more likely that Ben's omniscience is a result of having come in contact with the future 815ers as a kid, hence the Sayid/Young Ben meeting tonight.

#3 - Building off that, is it possible that two Ben's can't exist at the same time in the same time period? Is that why he ended up in 2007? If so, why did Sun and Frank end up there as well.

#4 - Faraday....he's either dead, on permanent assignment building the Orchid (as we saw in Episode 1), or joined the Hostiles.

#5 - Ethan is Amy and Horace's kid...hope everyone caught that.



That's about it.

1) Its possible that Jughead could be what caused the disturbance. But the key question is "was the Swan planned to be built before the 'incident' or as a result?" Because we all know that nuclear detonations cause electromagnetic disturbances. Could 'Jughead' cause long tem problems due to the islands ability to exist in various points in time??

2 and 3) I agree with Ben's overwhelming prescence. I believe he was trying to get to the island to find Jacob. And I was wondering that about Sun too...why was everyone else in the past but she was stuck in 2007?

I believe that Ben is almost like a 'castoff' now, hence why he cant return to the past. Or it could just be the fact that he cant exist at the same time. Christian did tell Sun that she had a 'journey' to go through. Perhaps some other plot vehicle that we havent seen yet, and I have a feeling Ben will be tagging along...almost in a "Gollum" fashion.

4) I dont think Faraday is dead at all. Perhaps seeing Charlotte has caused him to find assignment to the orchid, or he found his way out, hence the plot vehicle we havent seen yet.

5) Not for nothing but I called that one a few weeks back. Even if my saying it was a goof...:tongue:

[Doctor Manhattan]

5) Not for nothing but I called that one a few weeks back. Even if my saying it was a goof...:tongue:

It had to be someone we knew and that was a good choice.

[SP1!]

One of the best episodes, lets hope next weeks gets better and its not just a tease with nothing really happening till the end.

[TooLowBrow]

just a tease with nothing really happening till the end.

previously on lost

[MagillaGorillaz]

So now we know it's 1977. That means that Horace's other wife was before Amy and not after. And if this is Ethan, than why is he Rom not Goodspeed. And they still have to build the Swan. You think Hurley has something to do with the numbers being placed on the hatch.

[pittphantoms]

Lost is really jumping around - did they get Tarentino on the writing staff? Showing Locke with Ben before we found out how Ben got there... showing Faraday helping build the swan...

What I want to know the MOST right now... only beating out what happened to Desmond/Penny/Aaron is WHAT happened to Claire? Where is she? What happened to her? I just saw a photo of the current cast and it doesnt look like she will be back this season.

[Don Stugots]

You think Hurley has something to do with the numbers being placed on the hatch.

i didnt think of that, it would be funny to me if that happens.

[disneyspy]

i think farady had somethin to do with "the incident"

[Doctor Manhattan]

You think Hurley has something to do with the numbers being placed on the hatch.

I love that! Faraday said what happened happens (or something like that) It would be perfect that Hurley would be the one who put the numbers on the outside of the hatch.

I think the numbers already exist as part of that equation from the ARG they had a while ago but it would be cool if Hurley was actually the one who "came up" with the numbers back in the 1970s, it was used in the swan and transmitted on Danielle's radio tower and the it was passed around until Hurley heard them from Leonard in Santa Rosa.

[ChrisTheCop]

I'd like it if LaFleur ends up being the one "banishing" Radzinski to the Swan in an effort to keep him from ratting. Radzinski is the one who ends up killing himself in the swan after pushing the button too many times, yeah?

Also, as far as Ethan being a Rom not a Goodspeed, he may have been too young to know his last name at the time of the purge and given a new one by his 2 dads, Ben and Richard. He becomes a surgeon, trained off the island? Or trained by Jaaack Workman?

I loved the crash landing scene! Lapidus IS Sully Sullenberger!

[Furtherman]

The Christian part was cool, as well.

That scene was chilling. As he gave Sun the picture, the door opened up and you could see the black smoke swirling around. Christian might have some control over the smoke monster.


What I want to know the MOST right now... only beating out what happened to Desmond/Penny/Aaron is WHAT happened to Claire? Where is she? What happened to her? I just saw a photo of the current cast and it doesnt look like she will be back this season.

She won't. Her story will pick up next season. I read that in an interview with the producers.

I'd like it if LaFleur ends up being the one "banishing" Radzinski to the Swan in an effort to keep him from ratting. Radzinski is the one who ends up killing himself in the swan after pushing the button too many times, yeah?

I don't even remember this.... was it shown in a previous season or was it just talked about?


Hurley rules.

[instrument]

I'd like to take this moment to just point out how right I was.

Thanks.

[Aggie]

I don't even remember this.... was it shown in a previous season or was it just talked about?


Hurley rules.

I think he was referring to the Desmond episode when he explains how he got in the hatch. The bearded guy (can't remember his name) said he was waiting on a replacement b/c his partner blew off his head. I forget the name he said though.

[Chuck Norris]

I really hope that the other survivors from the crash don't start to have their own stories and crap. I could give a shit about them and their problems. I just want them to wrap some of the mysteries up and quit adding more irrelevant bullshit. So frustrating.

[IamPixie]

I never thought I would like juliette so much better than kate.

[WampusCrandle]

what a great episode! just watched it online. the only thing that is disappointing is that i wasn't able to see the preview for the next episode.

also, are we to believe that Sun, Frank, and Ben are in the 1977, or in present time. im assuming that they are in the 80s; would that be a correct assumption?

[SP1!]

what a great episode! just watched it online. the only thing that is disappointing is that i wasn't able to see the preview for the next episode.

also, are we to believe that Sun, Frank, and Ben are in the 1977, or in present time. im assuming that they are in the 80s; would that be a correct assumption?

I think they are in present time since the camp is all grown over, like nobody has been there since the 3 years they have been gone.

[disneyspy]

I think they are in present time since the camp is all grown over, like nobody has been there since the 3 years they have been gone.

so 2007?

[SP1!]

so 2007?
Yeah, it will be interesting to see how sun gets back and if everyone gets back to present time.

[drusilla]

I never thought I would like juliette so much better than kate.

i know!! i hate kate so much right now.

[CruelCircus]

I'm guessing that Sayid now takes up his new mission of attempting to kill Young Ben, and thus fend off his control of all their futures.

[Furtherman]

I never thought I would like juliette so much better than kate.

Me too. But now that Kate is back, I'm afraid that Juliette's time may be up!

[CountryBob]

I predict that a major character will die this season (and not come back). Also, I predict that the stock market will dive and we will elect the first black president. Heed my predictions!

[WampusCrandle]

I predict that a major character will die this season (and not come back). Also, I predict that the stock market will dive and we will elect the first black president. Heed my predictions!

for a while, i was thinking that Sun and Frank might be dead, or will be soon, since Jack's dad paid them a visit; of course, not all that talk to him are end up dead.

[IamPixie]

i know!! i hate kate so much right now.

Me too. But now that Kate is back, I'm afraid that Juliette's time may be up!

when will kate learn that she can't have her cock and eat it too? I know this already been brought up but I'm really digging the Jack-> "Jim" shift of power. Eff you, Jack! Now go unclog the shitter!

[IamPixie]

i think farady had somethin to do with "the incident"

being inappropriate with baby Charlotte?

[Furtherman]

when will kate learn that she can't have her cock and eat it too? I know this already been brought up but I'm really digging the Jack-> "Jim" shift of power. Eff you, Jack! Now go unclog the shitter!

''Based on your aptitude tests, you'll be doing janitorial work.''

What a great line! You know Sawyer just loved setting that up!

[Tall_James]

when will kate learn that she can't have her cock and eat it too? I know this already been brought up but I'm really digging the Jack-> "Jim" shift of power. Eff you, Jack! Now go unclog the shitter!

I found it hilarious that Sawyer got Jack the job as a janitor. That was a big f-u to him.

[SP1!]

i think farady had somethin to do with "the incident"

After thinking about it I am pretty sure I have it figured out, faraday is jacob only stuck in another dimension after the incident!

It would make a little sense since he was the one figuring out how most of the situation was going even before shit happened.

[disneyspy]

After thinking about it I am pretty sure I have it figured out, faraday is jacob only stuck in another dimension after the incident!

It would make a little sense since he was the one figuring out how most of the situation was going even before shit happened.

holy fuck who are you and what did you do with SP1,that is a cool thought process

[K.C.]

I never thought I would like juliette so much better than kate.

Well, Elizabeth Mitchell is a pretty good actress...Evangeline Lilly...uh...she...uh...nevermind.

[K.C.]

She won't. Her story will pick up next season. I read that in an interview with the producers.


It's my understanding that they had to write her out for a season because Emlie de Ravin got pregnant.

If you look at her brief appearance in the Season 4 finale, she's noticably heavier. They tried to cover it up by only showing her from the shoulders up, but you could still see it in her face.

[fezident]

she's noticably heavier. They tried to cover it up by only showing her from the shoulders up, but you could still see it in her face.


Bitches, man.

[disneyspy]

being inappropriate with baby Charlotte?


didnt it look like he was givin her the "if you were 3 years older" look?

[hydee]

didnt it look like he was givin her the "if you were 3 years older" look?

HA!

[instrument]

I think they are in present time since the camp is all grown over, like nobody has been there since the 3 years they have been gone.

they're in the present....most obviously because they landed on the runway which they had sawyer and kate working on............

i'm guessing possibly if aaron and sun's baby are brought to the island they'll be magically reunited in time?

hopefully they get out before the purge.

[TooLowBrow]

they're in the present....most obviously because they landed on the runway which they had sawyer and kate working on............

i'm guessing possibly if aaron and sun's baby are brought to the island they'll be magically reunited in time?

hopefully they get out before the purge.

maybe its the future

[PD]

they're in the present....most obviously because they landed on the runway which they had sawyer and kate working on.............

I also think Christian made a comment about Jin (and the others) being 30 yrs in the past.
I am so damn curious what that journey is that Sun has to do.,..
(I also hope they explain why Sun didn't "leap" with the others)

[K.C.]

Hawking did say that if they didn't bring everyone back the results would be unpredictable.

It's possible they have to get Desmond, Walt, Aaron, Ji-Yeon.

But...I really don't see Frank and Sun leaving the island.

My guess is they probably have to do something at the Orchid, or the Temple.

[Pestz4Evah]

According to this weeks podcast, the 2 hour season finale is titled "The Incident."

[disneyspy]

According to this weeks podcast, the 2 hour season finale is titled "The Incident."

when is the season finale? and how many eppys til then? i wish this show never took a break and i dont think ive ever felt that way about a tv program

[instrument]

I'm sure farraday will be involved with the incident, and maybe that will reunite everyone on the proper timeline.

And sun was probably separated from the other because she didn't bring her baby.....which was a part of her when she left the island.

Its funny how jin told locke don't let sun bring my baby.....I guess ms hawking didn't realize sun was pregnant.....but we knew that ben knew........coincidence or did ben know what would happen?

I found it kinda weird to see christian showing himself to them so openly, and also the condition of the barracks, guess everyones been at the temple for some time now.

And where's rose?

[WampusCrandle]

And where's rose?

i miss rose :glurps:

[K.C.]

These week waits are getting longer and longer....

I really may just throw out my TV after this show ends next year.

[TooLowBrow]

the upcoming episode is titled 'he's our you'

i hope part of it goes like this...


(many years in the past)

lost characters look up and see the 4 toed statue

locke - "Who's that supposed to be?!"

natives run out of the jungle.

they surround locke

arrows and blowguns aimed

native - "He is our YOU!"

pause

COMMERCIAL



later locke can go back to the future with the natives to defeat ben and rescue his friends.







oh, and the statue gets damaged while locke is teaching the natives about explosives during an 80's rock montage

[PD]

I know that's a joke, but I don't know if you knew that
"he's our you" is a Sayid-centric episode.

I already feel the pain which will be inflicted.

[TooLowBrow]

I know that's a joke, but I don't know if you knew that
"he's our you" is a Sayid-centric episode.

I already feel the pain which will be inflicted.

oh
that makes sense

who do you think'll be the dharma initiative's 'torturer'?

little ben?

[TooLowBrow]

"He's Our You" - Things begin to unravel when one of the survivors goes rogue and takes matters into their own hands -- risking the lives of everyone on the island -- on "Lost," WEDNESDAY, MARCH 25 (9:00-10:02 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.

Guest starring are Doug Hutchison as Horace Goodspeed, Zuleikha Robinson as Ilana, Reiko Aylesworth as Amy, Sterling Beaumon as young Ben, Patrick Fischler as Phil, Eric Lange as Radzinsky, Jon Gries as Roger Linus, William Sanderson as Oldham, Sayed Bedreya as Iraqi father, Xavier Raabe-Manupule as 12-year-old Iraqi boy, Dmitri Boudrine as Ivan, Michael Hardy as Floyd, Joe Toro as bartender, Achilles Gacis as guy in car and Anthony Keyvan as young Sayid.

ok
sayid's dad was part of the dh and will torture his own future son

[Drunky McBetidont]

i hope part of sayid story is before the plane ride. seems like a bunch missing fro last time we saw him working for ben and then him hating ben.

[fezident]

http://www.diskursdisko.de/2009/03/vintage-dharma-initiative-ads/

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[Aggie]

:lol:

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[PD]

i hope part of sayid story is before the plane ride. seems like a bunch missing fro last time we saw him working for ben and then him hating ben.

well, we do see a bit more.

[IamFogHat]

"A 12 year old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich, how do you think I am?"

Sayid gets line of the night.

[johnniehardrock]

"A 12 year old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich, how do you think I am?"

Sayid gets line of the night.

There is nothing anybody can say that will beat that..............

[IamFogHat]

The triumphant return of Uncle Rico!!!
He can throw a Dharma Beer a quarter mile.

[TooLowBrow]

i dont know why ben's dad threw the sandwich onto the floor


he's just gonna have to come back and clean it up

[Whiskeyportal]

i dont know why ben's dad threw the sandwich onto the floor


he's just gonna have to come back and clean it up

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[BlackSpider]

i dont know why ben's dad threw the sandwich onto the floor


he's just gonna have to come back and clean it up




^^^--- Fucking brilliant...


http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r221/spidescorp/Loling.gif

[Whiskeyportal]

the dude from deadwood!!!

[IamFogHat]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Ditto, one of my organs burst with that one.

[TooLowBrow]

and we have an episode title!!!

[IamFogHat]

Jesus Christ pose. I always have to point it out.

[IamFogHat]

This creep is on Deadwood. He's not someone we know from Lost lore right?

[Whiskeyportal]

i don't remember hearing anything about him before

[KatPw]

This creep is on Deadwood. He's not someone we know from Lost lore right?

No, never saw him before. My husband loves that actor; he was Larry in Newhart and did voices for Batman: the Animated series. He would have noticed him if he was ever shown before.

[PD]

"A 12 year old Ben Linus brought me a chicken salad sandwich, how do you think I am?"

Sayid gets line of the night.

its very early still to award that.

so what is on that sugar cube?

LSD?:flush:

[TooLowBrow]

its very early still to award that.

so what is on that sugar cube?

LSD?:flush:
sodium pentothal

[PD]

I wish it was LSD :innocent:

"You are all going to die"..

[razorboy]

Was it just me, or did Sawyer have his hand up in the first cut of the voting scene and then have to raise it when they went to the close-up shot? Tsk, tsk. Sloppy editing.

[Whiskeyportal]

saied never gets laid

[Friday]

i dont know why ben's dad threw the sandwich onto the floor


he's just gonna have to come back and clean it up

:lol:

[PD]

ummm

what year did Ben kill all of Dharma?
edit:
is sayid's purpose to kill Ben?????

[KatPw]

Holy shit!

[PD]

wait, what????


ben can't die!!!

[razorboy]

Fu-Schnickens!!

[KingGeno]

Wowie wowie wowie wowie.

[K.C.]

ummm

what year did Ben kill all of Dharma?
edit:
is sayid's purpose to kill Ben?????

Who said he was dead?

Didn't Ben shoot Locke and the island healed him.

Hell...didn't Ben strangle Locke to death and the island brought him back to life.

[K.C.]

saied never gets laid

He banged Shannon

http://www.anglotopia.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/270px-maggie-grace.jpg

[razorboy]

ummm

what year did Ben kill all of Dharma?
edit:
is sayid's purpose to kill Ben?????

The timeline is all kinds of fucked up. Ethan is way too young, for one. Good call on the Ben thing.

[Friday]

Who said he was dead?

Didn't Ben shoot Locke and the island healed him.

Hell...didn't Ben strangle Locke to death and the island brought him back to life.

i knew you were going to say this!


but still...... holy shit!

[PD]

Who said he was dead?

Didn't Ben shoot Locke and the island healed him.

Hell...didn't Ben strangle Locke to death and the island brought him back to life.

wait, what????


ben can't die!!!

I didnt say he was dead - but that is what Sayid believes is his purpose
but yes, there are too may reasons ben can't die.

island, paradox, Ben tellling Widmore they can't be killed....

etc.

[Doogie]

I didnt say he was

island, paradox, Ben tellling Widmore they can't be killed....

etc.

"it could create a cataclysmic chain reaction that could possibly destroy the universe...

http://www.redstaplerchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/DocBrown.jpg

[TooLowBrow]

the dharmites seem to be hand picked for the initiative. theyre bright, fit and healthy.

first, dont they notice hurley is twice the size of everyone there?

second, why doesn't the initiative members confront ben's dad about him abusing his kid? they seem to be trying to form a 'perfect community' so why not just fire the janitor?

[K.C.]

"it could create a cataclysmic chain reaction that could possibly destroy the universe...

http://www.redstaplerchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/DocBrown.jpg


It's funny you bring that up.

Because I do think this season is going to end with something that either alters the future or creates a parallel universe, or an alternate reality.

But, I don't think this was it.

[K.C.]

the dharmites seem to be hand picked for the initiative. theyre bright, fit and healthy.

first, dont they notice hurley is twice the size of everyone there?

second, why doesn't the initiative members confront ben's dad about him abusing his kid? they seem to be trying to form a 'perfect community' so why not just fire the janitor?

There's a really Jonestown vibe to Dharmaville.

Murderous hippies...acid trips....commune living...

[K.C.]

And I'll go so far as to say that Sayid shooting Ben is what will make Ben become the guy that he ultimately does.

[Don Stugots]

I agree KC

[PD]

And I'll go so far as to say that Sayid shooting Ben is what will make Ben become the guy that he ultimately does.

agree

and

"isn't it ironic..,,,"

[MIKEYDAKEN]

its just gonna explain why ben causes the mass murder.

[K.C.]

So, some of the things that stood out to me tonight:

1) The book Ben gives Sayid....'Separate Realities' I think it was....worth noting.

2) I like laid back, waiting for something to happen Jack. It's pretty obvious that Sawyer has become the new Jack and Jack has become the new Locke. The problem for Sawyer is that he's destined to fail.

3) Sayid mentioning 'The Incident' referenced in the DHARMA video during his questioning...also worth noting.

4) I really wonder whether Illana is working for Ben, or whether her story about being a bounty hunter is true. I kind of get the feeling that Sayid is right in his suspicion and that she was sent by Ben to secure Sayid. We already know that Ben has a network of people off the island working for him. That's who that Jill chick was in the butcher shop who guarded Locke's body.

5) Could Radzinsky be any more of a dick.

6) Radzinsky's threat to 'call it in to Ann Arbor'...that's another thing worth noting. It's been stated before that DHARMA originated from Michigan.



All in all, I think the rest of this season is going to run with the idea that Sawyer and Juliet are now Jack and Kate from Season 1 & Season 2...trying to hold everything together and destined to fail at doing so.

I do wonder where Sayid goes from here.

And lastly, where the hell are Desmond and Faraday??? Can they show up in an episode once in a while?

[TooLowBrow]

2) I like laid back, waiting for something to happen Jack.

jack sucks anymore

are you waiting for him to cry some more?

[K.C.]

jack sucks anymore

are you waiting for him to cry some more?

It's building to something.

This season has been a transition year for him character-wise.

He's embracing the fact that he can't save everybody all of the time, which was the chief character flaw of his from the first episode on (going back to the first Jack/Christian conversation we ever see when he was a kid in his first Season 1 flashback).

[SP1!]

Thats fucked up, I dont remember ben ever mentioning he got shot so I dont think this plays into his eventual development at all and since this happens a couple days after the plane lands it may be the reason why ben was lying in that bed on the other island.

I still think that somehow faraday causes the incident and gets sucked up into another dimension.

[MIKEYDAKEN]

And lastly, where the hell are Desmond and Faraday??? Can they show up in an episode once in a while?
desmond left them in l.a. didn't he? as to you wondering if the bounty hunter was working for ben i think she was just for the fact that he said things had to be like the original flight and they needed someone to be cuffed on the plane. just a thought

[K.C.]

Thats fucked up, I dont remember ben ever mentioning he got shot so I dont think this plays into his eventual development at all and since this happens a couple days after the plane lands it may be the reason why ben was lying in that bed on the other island.

I still think that somehow faraday causes the incident and gets sucked up into another dimension.

The plane landed on the Hydra in 2007. Young Ben was shot in 1977. The two aren't and couldn't be related.


desmond left them in l.a. didn't he? as to you wondering if the bounty hunter was working for ben i think she was just for the fact that he said things had to be like the original flight and they needed someone to be cuffed on the plane. just a thought

Correct, Desmond was last seen in LA saying he was done with everything. Then we saw Ben on the docks covered in blood, which most assume was him killing Penny. It'd be nice to get that back story and some info on whether he's on his way back to the island.

As for Illana, you could very well be right. I kind of find myself liking the idea, though, that Ben knew this re-creation thing before hand (even though Jack never told him what Hawking said), and set it up.

[TooLowBrow]

'he's our you'

fuck that. that crazy dhama guy had no intention of torturing sayid. he didn't like the answers he got but the scene just ended and sayid wound up, unharmed, back in jail.

if that guy was the dharma's sayid then dharma sucks

[MIKEYDAKEN]

'he's our you'

fuck that. that crazy dhama guy had no intention of torturing sayid. he didn't like the answers he got but the scene just ended and sayid wound up, unharmed, back in jail.

if that guy was the dharma's sayid then dharma sucks

well yeah they suck they got wiped out by a 10 year old weirdo and a creep in eyeliner

[drusilla]

"it could create a cataclysmic chain reaction that could possibly destroy the universe...

http://www.redstaplerchronicles.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/DocBrown.jpg

i was totally thinking back to the future too!! stupid pitz's facebook status wrecked the end for me, so i knew that young ben was gonna get killed, but you sort of saw that coming the minute he said his name to sayid. so what i was really expecting was like the island to just implode or something if ben was dead. or like everyone from the future would just fade away like marty almost did at the end of bttf. if young ben was really dead i feel like something major would have happened. so that makes me think that he's not & the stupid island is gonna keep him around for whatever it needs him for.

[ChrisTheCop]

the dude from deadwood!!!

Not the only Deadwood actor to appear on Lost, of course.

Others are Sawyer's girlfriend Cassidy who played the madam on Deadwood,
The chick Sun killed on the boat, who played Trixie the whore on Deadwood,
and Juliette's sister, who played Calamity Jane.

I believe it's the Elizabeth Sarnoff connection. She was a writer on both shows, and producer of Lost.

[Fallon]

i was totally thinking back to the future too!! stupid pitz's facebook status wrecked the end for me, so i knew that young ben was gonna get killed, but you sort of saw that coming the minute he said his name to sayid. so what i was really expecting was like the island to just implode or something if ben was dead. or like everyone from the future would just fade away like marty almost did at the end of bttf. if young ben was really dead i feel like something major would have happened. so that makes me think that he's not & the stupid island is gonna keep him around for whatever it needs him for.

Pitz, status spoiled it for me too. Looks like no more facebook for me on Wednesdays!

[PhishHead]

Not the only Deadwood actor to appear on Lost, of course.

Others are Sawyer's girlfriend Cassidy who played the madam on Deadwood,
The chick Sun killed on the boat, who played Trixie the whore on Deadwood,
and Juliette's sister, who played Calamity Jane.

I believe it's the Elizabeth Sarnoff connection. She was a writer on both shows, and producer of Lost.

I think its just an HBO connection as many actors from The Wire, OZ and Deadwood show up on basically every major network television shows now, they are finally just getting recognition for their brilliant performances.

[BeerBandit]

Ok, I thought I got the whole "can't change the past, what ever happened happened," rules. But, isn't the mere existence and interaction of the Losties with the 1977 society a violation of the rules. Anything they do and anyone they meet never happened. But here it is happening. Unless there is some other part of the rules that allows this, why couldn't Sayid kill Young Ben? It's no different than any other instance involving the Losties in 1977.

[Furtherman]

i dont know why ben's dad threw the sandwich onto the floor

he's just gonna have to come back and clean it up

Hahahahaha. Nice.

I didnt say he was dead - but that is what Sayid believes is his purpose
but yes, there are too may reasons ben can't die.

island, paradox, Ben tellling Widmore they can't be killed....

etc.


AND.... we now have a really good doctor on the island. Jack is back, and Jack will probably save young Ben's life. We just see young Ben fall (quite the shocker, btw) but I'm betting Jin gets up quickly and brings the boy back to Dharma camp and Jack goes to work.

That will fall into the "whatever happened, happens" timeline because Ben still has to wipe out Dharma.

OR... someone else will have to.

This could be another one of these "changed the rules" moments.

[SP1!]

The plane landed on the Hydra in 2007. Young Ben was shot in 1977. The two aren't and couldn't be related.
They could be if young ben is now in a coma and his future is yet to be determined, putting his future self in limbo, leaving him alive but in a vegetative state.

But what will end up happening if they get transported back to the future and sayid still thinks his purpose is to kill ben.

[spadanko]

I am just guessing the island "saves" young Ben kinda like how Locke was saved when he got shot

[disneyspy]

i love no one wants to discuss things with ann arbor,prof chang is from U of M and he wasnt there for the voting. its their project,why not tell them about the hostiles but obviously by keepin ann arbor in the dark there are still food drops way into the future (the parachute and well stocked swan).i think the line that sawyer told jack "farradays got some interestin ideas about what we can and cant do in the past" is the key to the 'does ben really die' question

[pittphantoms]

First, Sayid is a killer. He knows the rules... one in the chest, two in the head. How he walked away without pluggin that little shit two more times is beyond me.

Second, I guess that Sayid's conversation with the bounty hunter about Benjamin Linus comes back to haunt Ben - as she will recognize his name - maybe during a power struggle between Locke and Ben for the new survivors.

Finally, WHY ISNT KATE HOT ANYMORE??? It sucks.

[fezident]

Kate is only hot when her hair is down.

[KingGeno]

Kate is only hot when her hair is down.

I used to like kate, but juliet destroys her now. Her face, body, etc. NOM NOM NOM

[instrument]

Ok, I thought I got the whole "can't change the past, what ever happened happened," rules. But, isn't the mere existence and interaction of the Losties with the 1977 society a violation of the rules. Anything they do and anyone they meet never happened. But here it is happening. Unless there is some other part of the rules that allows this, why couldn't Sayid kill Young Ben? It's no different than any other instance involving the Losties in 1977.

This obviously isn't true, farraday changed the past when he told desmond to contact his mother and is the reason why desmond only "remembered" it after it happened.

I wouldn't be surprised if ben didn't have a similar moment in the "present" and "remembered" being shot by sayid.

If not, then Desmond being "different" will be used as the excuse, and ben would've always have gotten shot by sayid..

And doesn't this change the purpose of radinsky's map? it seemed to me as if he was exploring the island on his own and drawing the map from memory, but this seasons radinsky seems to have been an integral part in creating these stations....so why the need to make the map?

and seeing that we saw that candle guy making the training video during the construction of the orchid, and we saw jack etc. watching that same video, we can assume that farraday left the island after the construction of the orchid station.... so maybe we'll get to see if it got destroyed during the incident as well.

[Doogie]

Finally, WHY ISNT KATE HOT ANYMORE??? It sucks.

Simple...we now have other hot girls on the island and off. I dont know what it was, but that bounty hunter chick with her accent was fucking nuclear. And of course we do have Juliet who brings wayyyyyyyyyyyy more to the show in terms of character, looks, personality, etc.

Someone once said: "If you are starving and someone throws you a cracker you will be like 'This the best damn cracker I ever had!! What is this a ritz?!?!' But if you see a piece of ass long enough you are like 'hey, this is a regular old cracker.'"

Besides, even Sun blows Kate out of the water in terms of hotness anymore.

[Furtherman]

Finally, WHY ISNT KATE HOT ANYMORE??? It sucks.

I think the character of Kate is still attractive of course, it's just that her "I'm with Jack, no Sawyer, No Jack, No Sawyer, No Jack" mentality is really annoying.

Oh you came back for Sawyer? How can anyone believe that? She's turning out to be the despicable character that the Federal Agent (who died after the first plane crash) described her as in the first two seasons.

[Aggie]

Kate is only hot when her hair is down.

She looks like a little monkey.

[K.C.]

She looks like a little monkey.



Hahahaha....you nailed that, Aggie. I've been thinking that forever.

[fezident]

Lots o' chicks are better looking than Kate. They usually end up dead though.


Kate < Libby.
http://images.buddytv.com/usrimages/usr100040129/100040129_084b36a4-8dd8-4697-8021-fcf4caf6c93e-cynthia-libby.jpg




Kate < Nikki
http://l.yimg.com/l/tv/us/img/site/75/94/0000037594_20070206155942.jpg





Kate << Gabriel !!
http://z.about.com/d/lost/1/0/3/4/-/-/14-Jack-and-Gabriela-Talk.jpg

[hammersavage]

Yea, Juliet's way hotter

http://www.topnews.in/files/images/Elizabeth-Mitchell.jpg

[Aggie]

Whoever was her make up artist should never be able to work again. Awful.

Kate's wedding photo:

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,6234199,00.jpg

[Furtherman]

She married THAT monkey?! Who knew!?

[KingGeno]

Yea, Juliet's way hotter

http://www.topnews.in/files/images/Elizabeth-Mitchell.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w126/ragunax/1233971363557vj1.jpg

[WampusCrandle]

what a great fucking episode! damn it, i wish i could find the preview to the next episode. The writers have completely done the greatest writing for a television show, and they really know how to encompass a cliff hanger without an episode looking cheesy.

[CruelCircus]

I'm guessing that Sayid now takes up his new mission of attempting to kill Young Ben, and thus fend off his control of all their futures.

Good call on the Ben thing.

Ahem.

:smoke:

[MIKEYDAKEN]

Simple...we now have other hot girls on the island and off. I dont know what it was, but that bounty hunter chick with her accent was fucking nuclear. And of course we do have Juliet who brings wayyyyyyyyyyyy more to the show in terms of character, looks, personality, etc.

Someone once said: "If you are starving and someone throws you a cracker you will be like 'This the best damn cracker I ever had!! What is this a ritz?!?!' But if you see a piece of ass long enough you are like 'hey, this is a regular old cracker.'"

Besides, even Sun blows Kate out of the water in terms of hotness anymore.

well i guess thats what happens when you bang a hobbit

[Don Stugots]

Simple...we now have other hot girls on the island and off. I dont know what it was, but that bounty hunter chick with her accent was fucking nuclear. And of course we do have Juliet who brings wayyyyyyyyyyyy more to the show in terms of character, looks, personality, etc.

Someone once said: "If you are starving and someone throws you a cracker you will be like 'This the best damn cracker I ever had!! What is this a ritz?!?!' But if you see a piece of ass long enough you are like 'hey, this is a regular old cracker.'"

Besides, even Sun blows Kate out of the water in terms of hotness anymore.

that was eddie murphy

[drusilla]

the boyfriend finally got to watch

"only one shot??? you gotta fucking take his ass out!"

[Furtherman]

Sayid Jarrah, Natural Born Killer? (http://io9.com/5185727/sayid-jarrah-natural-born-killer)

Throughout the episode, as Sayid sits in jail, we see flashbacks of how he spent the last three years off the island. He kills a Russian, who Ben explains is the last one in Widmore's organization who threatened Sayid's friends. (Lostpedia reports that the Cyrillic words visible above the door when Sayid exits the apartment building after the killing read "Oldham Pharmaceuticals.") Now Sayid is "free" to live his life.

Oldham is the guy who gave Sayid the sugarcube.

Some great thoughts:

He is building houses for charity-and not coincidentally a life for himself that doesn't involve killing - when Ben tracks him down in San Domingo. He tells Sayid that John Locke is dead ("I think someone murdered him," Ben deadpans), perhaps in retribution for what he and Sayid have done. These same killers are waiting outside Hugo's asylum, says Ben, implying that Sayid needs to pick up his gun and hurry right over there.

But Sayid doesn't like killing, and so begins a conversation that only ends with Sayid's final words to young Ben before he plugs him. "It's in your nature, it's what you are. You're a killer, Sayid," the adult Ben tells him. When Sayid protests that he's not what Ben thinks he is, Ben replies, "I was mistaken about you." Of course, Ben knows he's not mistaken at all. Here time gets a little Moebius-strippy: Adult Ben already knows that Sayid shot him. Is Sayid a killer by nature, or does Ben's foreknowledge allow him to manipulate, exploit, and, ahem, nurture him into one? Despite Sayid's revelation under the influence of Oldham's acid, killing a chicken for dinner does not necessarily lead to a life as a hit man, unless you've got Ben Linus to urge you along.

[K.C.]

Interesting take in Doc Jensen's column on EW

Despite his loathing for Ben, Sayid could see a painful part of himself in the lad. Sayid's flashback arc began with the scene where, as a young boy, he stepped in to kill a chicken for his squeamish brother. His courage elicited warm approval and affirmation from his hard father, while his brother's reticence earned his father's shame; and so we saw how killing became hardwired into Sayid's personhood and his innate conception of manhood. Sayid's sacrifice act reminded me of Mr. Eko's flashback, in which warlords ordered Eko's brother Yemi to kill an unarmed man or be killed himself. Yemi couldn't do it. To save his life, Eko stepped up and did the deed. Now, killing a chicken for the sake of the family supper is severely less egregious than murdering a human being for bloodsport. But the idea and irony are the same. And I worry they may lead to the same place. Initially, Mr. Eko seemed repentant about his past. But in the end, he recanted: ''I have done nothing wrong.'' Similarly, under the influence of truth telling drugs, Sayid confessed, ''I am a bad man.'' But by the end of the episode, he convinced himself that his capacity and competency for killing could be redeemed by nipping future tyrants in their still-innocent bud. I'm not sure that qualifies as redemption and atonement.

I wonder if this means Sayid may be the next Smokey fodder.

[Pestz4Evah]

what a great fucking episode! damn it, i wish i could find the preview to the next episode. The writers have completely done the greatest writing for a television show, and they really know how to encompass a cliff hanger without an episode looking cheesy.

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[WampusCrandle]

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well, that can't be good for anyone - house arrest.

[WampusCrandle]

just saw this story (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0724242/) and i hope it never happens - FUCK Chandler!

[TooLowBrow]

I am just guessing the island "saves" young Ben kinda like how Locke was saved when he got shot

either the dharmites or the others have access to the machinery that can move the island through time.
so they could just go back a bit and save ben before sayid shoots him

[drusilla]

just saw this story (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0724242/) and i hope it never happens - FUCK Chandler!

i like how even he knows that no one else will ever see him as anything but chandler

[glenndog]

they are not changing anything in 1977. they had always already been there. I guarantee you that in the next episode or two we are going to find that ben fully remembered being shot by sayid when sayid originally tortured him when he was Henry Gale.

When Faraday talked to the Desmond in the hatch he said that for some reason "the rules" did not apply to him and he could change the past. The show runners have said that there are no alternate realities in lost. In season 4 if any of Locke's group had gone into the recruitment center they would have seen the picture of them (that Christan showed Sun last week) on the wall .


For the record this is my opinion as i never read spoilers.

[razorboy]

just saw this story (http://www.imdb.com/news/ni0724242/) and i hope it never happens - FUCK Chandler!

Who needs Lost when you have this gem dropping?

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c297/razorboy_/17again_resized_W406_H600_1.jpg

[IamPixie]

wow.....I can't believe that. I know it's ben....but he was only 12!

[K.C.]

i like how even he knows that no one else will ever see him as anything but chandler

Actually, I would crack up if he showed up kind of like Frogurt did at the beginning of this season, had two lines, and then caught a flaming arrow in the chest or got eaten by Smokey.

That's the only way it'd work, though.

[WampusCrandle]

Who needs Lost when you have this gem dropping?

the only gem that is dropping is my load unto my stomach - what a cutie ba-tootie. Just kidding, I hope that no talent, genderless hack is hit with a truck

[MagillaGorillaz]

And doesn't this change the purpose of radinsky's map? it seemed to me as if he was exploring the island on his own and drawing the map from memory, but this seasons radinsky seems to have been an integral part in creating these stations....so why the need to make the map?


Not really, he was basiclly locked up in there. He wasn't able to leave the station. They only had what was it a half hour to return. Don't you think consistenly pressing the button without contact to the outside world because the rest of your people were killed, and doing it for all those years would make you draw a map to when you were somewhat sane. I know I would need to do something to try not to go crazy. Didn't work for him though. I got watch season 2 again, wasn't it a shotgun to the head. Sawyer is probably the one that gives him the Swan assignment.

And now it makes sense that Kelvin Inman or whatever his name his was chosen to be a part of the Swan. Alpert or Locke must have known his fate would have him run in to Sayid.

[instrument]

well you're assuming that desmond was told the truth, we don't know what really happened to radinsky....just what was told to desmond.

and i always had a feeling that the original radinsky was secretly exploring the island during his off shift, and then committing what he found to the wall...remember there were question marks due to stations he didn't know the purpose of.... and now apparently he was a part of the building of many of the stations.

and it was 2 hrs.

[TooLowBrow]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/d/d1/Unnamed.JPG/250px-Unnamed.JPG

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/8/8e/Nathanyes.jpg/250px-Nathanyes.jpg

no?

[NewYorkDragons80]

The actors that play Rose and Bernard are working actors outside of lost so their disappearance is something I don't worry about the writers use then when the can and let them work on other stuff. I always imagine them exploring the island by themselves when they are missing for a while.

Rose and Bernard will end up being hostiles. Wait and see


I wonder if we'll see Cindy again

[Pestz4Evah]

This week's podcast said THIS season we will see more of the 4 toed statue (enough to know what it is) and we'll find out why Miles asked Ben for specifically 3.2 million dollars.

[Doctor Manhattan]

And I'll go so far as to say that Sayid shooting Ben is what will make Ben become the guy that he ultimately does.

Damon and Carlton talked about the shooting on the official lost podcast and they seem to agree with this idea. They addressed Sayid shooting a 12 year old kid and asked if one would kill Hitler as a child if they knew what he would grow up to become, then Damon said it would be interesting if one shot Hitler and failed to kill him, and that shooting is a key factor in making Hitler the man he became.

[K.C.]

then Damon said it would be interesting if one shot Hitler and failed to kill him, and that shooting is a key factor in making Hitler the man he became.

I also like the idea of the Cradle of Darkness Twilight Zone (although it probably wouldn't work here), where people travel back in time to kill baby Hitler, and the chick posing as his nanny takes the baby and drowns both it, and herself, but then afterwards, one of the servants notices that Baby Hitler is missing, goes to a homeless woman and buys her child, and that kid grows up to be Hitler.


I like that Damon and Carlton are talking the way of Sayid causing Ben to become what he is. Remember the Room 23 brainwashing video in Season 3? "We are the causes of our own suffering..."

[WampusCrandle]

I also like the idea of the Cradle of Darkness Twilight Zone (although it probably wouldn't work here), where people travel back in time to kill baby Hitler, and the chick posing as his nanny takes the baby and drowns both it, and herself, but then afterwards, one of the servants notices that Baby Hitler is missing, goes to a homeless woman and buys her child, and that kid grows up to be Hitler.


I like that Damon and Carlton are talking the way of Sayid causing Ben to become what he is. Remember the Room 23 brainwashing video in Season 3? "We are the causes of our own suffering..."

i am just amazed at how many of you can get so deep into the show. I still have to watch the episode before watching the new one, and even then, i'm easily lost. what i need to do is rewatch the entire show - again.

[disneyspy]

i am just amazed at how many of you can get so deep into the show. I still have to watch the episode before watching the new one, and even then, i'm easily lost. what i need to do is rewatch the entire show - again.

just before this season started i watched all the episodes in 10 days;it was crazy how much i caught the 4th time thru

[WampusCrandle]

just before this season started i watched all the episodes in 10 days;it was crazy how much i caught the 4th time thru

i did the same thing, but i did it in August, thinking it would start in september or october. i was completely wrong. i should have rewatched it last fall but there just wasnt enough time.

[disneyspy]

this just hit me in the RIP.NETTERS thread,if locke was in the funeral home,wasn't his blood drained and he was embalmed? would make it kinda hard to function if he was really alive,dontcha think

[WampusCrandle]

this just hit me in the RIP.NETTERS thread,if locke was in the funeral home,wasn't his blood drained and he was embalmed? would make it kinda hard to function if he was really alive,dontcha think

well, i would assume that sine ben was behind Locke's death, he didn't do that. you could also assume that since that island has such crazy properties that it may as well give blood to people while they bring them back from the dead.

[CHUCKWAGONCOOK]

this just hit me in the RIP.NETTERS thread,if locke was in the funeral home,wasn't his blood drained and he was embalmed? would make it kinda hard to function if he was really alive,dontcha thinkFucking Impossible!!

That's what YOU are DS.

For fucks sake, can't we just work with the show? Not against it?

[razorboy]

this just hit me in the RIP.NETTERS thread,if locke was in the funeral home,wasn't his blood drained and he was embalmed? would make it kinda hard to function if he was really alive,dontcha think

Because everything else up to that point had been sooooooo logical.

[NewYorkDragons80]

this just hit me in the RIP.NETTERS thread,if locke was in the funeral home,wasn't his blood drained and he was embalmed? would make it kinda hard to function if he was really alive,dontcha think

Well the Black Rock arrived at the island about a dozen years before dynamite was invented, so there.

[ChrisTheCop]

Man, I couldve sworn someone asked this, but I cant find it to quote it...Fuck, I'll answer anyway.

Someone thought they saw Sawyer's hand up during the vote to kill Sayid prior to him being specifically asked, and thought it was perhaps an editing error. I just rewatched the ep, and see it's an extra who simply looks like Sawyer, but not sitting anywhere near him.

There, now that Ive completely cleared up something that may have never been asked...
Something I noticed:

After Ben12 tells Sayid that his Dad broke his glasses, Sayid says his father was a hard man too. Ben12 pauses, then says, "I really hated him".

He says it in the past tense; so I ask you:

A) We know Ben is older when he kills his dad. Is he just saying he no longer considers him his dad since he's running away? OR
B) Is Ben12 somehow talking about knowing and hating Sayid's dad???

[razorboy]

Man, I couldve sworn someone asked this, but I cant find it to quote it...Fuck, I'll answer anyway.

Someone thought they saw Sawyer's hand up during the vote to kill Sayid prior to him being specifically asked, and thought it was perhaps an editing error. I just rewatched the ep, and see it's an extra who simply looks like Sawyer, but not sitting anywhere near him.

There, now that Ive completely cleared up something that may have never been asked...

Yeah, that was me. Thanks Chris.

[K.C.]

well, i would assume that sine ben was behind Locke's death, he didn't do that. you could also assume that since that island has such crazy properties that it may as well give blood to people while they bring them back from the dead.

Christian was presumably embalmed in Sydney, and yet here we are.

Locke was replacing Christian's body on 316, so my guess is Locke is alive in the same sense Christian is.

This raises an interesting question, though...Christian seems to have the ability to manifest himself anywhere. Locke, so far, just seems alive as he always was.

I wonder if Christian woke up in the jungle the day after the crash much in the same manner Locke did after 316, completely conscious and in control of himself, and was led to either Jacob or the Smoke Monster and voluntarily offered himself up as a vessel in thanks to being brought back to life.

Locke could end up doing the same.



...of course, there's also the possibility that the funeral parlor was a setup by Ben. It's been established that Ben has a network of people all over the world. It's really not much of a stretch to say that Locke's body was arranged to be placed there and the funeral director was suppose to hold it until Jack eventually came.

And actually, come to think of it, didn't Ben make a point to store Locke's body in the meat locker of the butcher's shop?

[ChrisTheCop]

Was it just me, or did Sawyer have his hand up in the first cut of the voting scene and then have to raise it when they went to the close-up shot? Tsk, tsk. Sloppy editing.

Thanx Razor, I thought I was goin insane. lol

[K.C.]

So where does everyone think this season ranks, so far, with the rest?

I'd probably go:
-Season 4 (there's only really one mediocre episode, and that's the Juliet one.)
-Season 1 (the way the characters were introduced and slowly built was just great storytelling all around)
-Season 5 (I'm liking the time travel mythology stuff, but I'm not entirely sure if I'm into the rest of this season revolving around the DHARMA story, other than the Ben stuff)
-Season 3 (The second half of the season is fantastic, but all the stuff on the Hydra is pretty bad except for the episode where Kate and Sawyer escape)
-Season 2 (Way too much filler. Should have spent more time on the Tailies)

[NewYorkDragons80]

-Season 2 (Way too much filler. Should have spent more time on the Tailies)

They killed off the 3 most interesting Tailies as soon as we got to know them. My only problem in introducing them to the story was that nothing really became of ANY of them except for Bernard.