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K.C.

03-29-2009, 07:25 PM

They killed off the 3 most interesting Tailies as soon as we got to know them. My only problem in introducing them to the story was that nothing really became of ANY of them except for Bernard.

Eko's development was actually pretty good.

But Ana Lucia and Libby pretty much showed up at the beach camp and did nothing until they got shot.

And they teased so much stuff with Ana Lucia....adding her to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle...her and Jack training an army to protect the camp...her interaction with Christian (considering Christian still wandering the island, they never had her see him there).

Either ABC made them fire those two because of the DUI, or they really, really hated Michelle Rodriguez's acting and just wanted her off the show.

The latter seems most likely. I remember Damon and Carlton saying before that they've casted several characters where they were just kind of trying them out, and if the audience liked them, they'd take on bigger roles. Michael Emerson was originally suppose to only be on for a few episodes, and they had a story written up to kill the character off just in case it didn't work, but he was so good, they re-wrote the leadership role (it was suppose to be someone not yet cast) for Ben.

Richard was the same way. People liked him so much that they kept growing the character and bringing him back.

On the flip side; Nikki and Paulo.

It wouldn't surprise me if they re-wrote some of the stuff they originally had planned with Ana Lucia for the Juliet character in Season 3 (mostly the love quadrangle stuff).

ChrisTheCop

03-29-2009, 08:57 PM

After Ben12 tells Sayid that his Dad broke his glasses, Sayid says his father was a hard man too. Ben12 pauses, then says, "I really hated him".

He says it in the past tense; so I ask you:

A) We know Ben is older when he kills his dad. Is he just saying he no longer considers him his dad since he's running away? OR
B) Is Ben12 somehow talking about knowing and hating Sayid's dad???

Cmon KC?...somebody? Anybody??

NewYorkDragons80

03-30-2009, 06:02 AM

Eko's development was actually pretty good.

Dude, I loved Eko, but they built up the Tailies, then killed them all off except Bernard and Cindy (who are barely seen anyway).

But Ana Lucia and Libby pretty much showed up at the beach camp and did nothing until they got shot.

And they teased so much stuff with Ana Lucia....adding her to the Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle...her and Jack training an army to protect the camp...her interaction with Christian (considering Christian still wandering the island, they never had her see him there).

Either ABC made them fire those two because of the DUI, or they really, really hated Michelle Rodriguez's acting and just wanted her off the show.

You're kinda making my point here. Unless they were just building up the Ana Lucia story just to shock us when she died, it was a huge letdown to have her and Libby die. Even if you didn't like the Tailies, you can't help but feel that season 2 was a waste of time with all these expendable characters.

NewYorkDragons80

03-30-2009, 06:03 AM

Cmon KC?...somebody? Anybody??

You pretty much summed up all the interpretations of that line.

drusilla

03-30-2009, 06:33 AM

K.C.

03-30-2009, 01:32 PM

Cmon KC?...somebody? Anybody??

Honestly I didn't read much into it. I would say that Ben12 is talking about his own dad, presently, and in terms of using the past tense, my guess is it was just a slip, or some awkward dialogue.

I really get the impression that Ben12 doesn't know anything yet, other than his brief conversation with Richard.

K.C.

03-30-2009, 01:36 PM

i never cared about michelle rodriguez in anything she's ever in, but killing off the libby character really bothered me. especially with all that weird shit about her being in the mental institution with hurley & never telling him about it. & us never knowing why she was in there. i wonder if that's going to be one of the many things that we never get any answers about.

They've said they're not revisiting Libby.

I think they had something planned, but it was one of the stories cut from the writer's strike.

At this point, I guess what we're suppose to take from her story is that her husband died, and she went temporarily crazy and checked herself in, then checked out, met Desmond, and was so touched by his story (and still slightly crazy...I mean, who gives away a boat), that she gave him the boat.

Very, very unsatisfying answer to that character, but I guess that's all we're going to get.

hydee

03-30-2009, 02:10 PM

rgaimari

03-30-2009, 02:48 PM

Drunky McBetidont

03-30-2009, 02:53 PM

ChrisTheCop

03-30-2009, 02:56 PM

I went back and listened to it again. It sounds to me like he's saying "I really hate it here."

- Bob

Of course he does. Nothing works here. The medications dont work. He's been there for 7 years...

But ya know what? At your behest, I too listened again. I think youre right. Oh well. Thanks.

disneyspy

03-30-2009, 03:00 PM

man i wish it were wednesday.i'm sayin that in the present tense,i have no foreknowledge of events to come,i just wish it was friggin wednesday,you bastards have me stoked

K.C.

03-30-2009, 03:00 PM

when sayid shot ben 12, ben became jacob. explains why ben adult couldn't see him but john looke could. ben is now like claire and doc dad, a ghost type that hangs around to guide the future.

can't wait to see what the island is like without ben's purge and dharma genocide.

this should be good.

i think sayid gets fucked in the "incident" and turns into the smoke monster. he gets broken down to his elemental nature and his self hate keeps him going.

No, Ben couldn't see Jacob because Ben stopped doing Jacob's will. That's why he got the tumor.

It's also the same reason Jack got appendicitis right before leaving the island.

When Ben finally brought Locke to Jacob, Jacob chose Locke and cast aside Ben. That's why Ben tried to kill him, and that's why Ben went crazy and launched the invasion of the beach camp that got so many people killed.

And I'm not sure whether or not the purge will or won't happen.

TooLowBrow

03-30-2009, 03:27 PM

WampusCrandle

03-30-2009, 04:35 PM

K.C.

03-30-2009, 07:23 PM

Maybe this will help pass the time between episodes a little easier

We'll start with the hero:

Jack summed up in three clips:

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Tomorrow - Kate.

WampusCrandle

03-30-2009, 07:30 PM

Maybe this will help pass the time between episodes a little easier

Tomorrow - Kate.

i love this idea! I can't wait for tomorrow!

K.C.

03-31-2009, 03:53 PM

Kate in three clips

Should give you a little insight into where I think she ultimately ends up.

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Next up: Sayid (I think you can all guess what one of the scenes will be)

instrument

03-31-2009, 04:52 PM

i think the next episode will hopefully clear up a lot of info that we haven't had much support for.

Are they still on the same time line, is what Farraday said about the future true?

I'm going to assume yes, i'm just interested in how the writers tie it all together.... cause it just doesn't seem this was where the story was intended to go.

WampusCrandle

03-31-2009, 07:55 PM

Kate in three clips

Should give you a little insight into where I think she ultimately ends up.
Next up: Sayid (I think you can all guess what one of the scenes will be)

that was really great, and i can't wait to see Sayid, and definitely Locke.

drusilla

03-31-2009, 08:45 PM

They've said they're not revisiting Libby.

I think they had something planned, but it was one of the stories cut from the writer's strike.

At this point, I guess what we're suppose to take from her story is that her husband died, and she went temporarily crazy and checked herself in, then checked out, met Desmond, and was so touched by his story (and still slightly crazy...I mean, who gives away a boat), that she gave him the boat.

Very, very unsatisfying answer to that character, but I guess that's all we're going to get.

that's pretty annoying & disappointing. & libby being a plant for widmore would have been a sick story line.

instrument

04-01-2009, 06:12 AM

anyone else wondering if lapidus is meant to be on the island or if its just coincidence?

Doogie

04-01-2009, 09:04 AM

ChrisTheCop

04-01-2009, 09:13 AM

I Dont know if anyone heard the Harold Perrineau interview on O and A yesterday, but he was talking about "Mr. Eko" having 'personal problems' and that is why he was written out and why he more than likely wont be seen again in flashbacks. A shame too, cause I loved that character...

His parents died while he was filming Lost,
he also was arrested (a Lost actor getting arrested??!) in Hawaii,
then he asked to be written off the show.

Furtherman

04-01-2009, 09:39 AM

anyone else wondering if lapidus is meant to be on the island or if its just coincidence?

I think he's meant for something with the island, because he is the only pilot to successfully land on the island, twice!

glenndog

04-01-2009, 11:09 AM

Richard was the same way. People liked him so much that they kept growing the character and bringing him back.

On the flip side; Nikki and Paulo.

It wouldn't surprise me if they re-wrote some of the stuff they originally had planned with Ana Lucia for the Juliet character in Season 3 (mostly the love quadrangle stuff).

I know they were rooting for the show Nestor Cambell (Richard Alpert) was cast in to get canceled so they wouldn't lose him.

And I don't care what anybody thinks, Ben had always been shot by Sayid. Going back in time has not changed anything.

04-01-2009, 11:12 AM

short clips preview tonight's episode (Kate Centric)
"Whatever Happened, Happened".
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEraOrrA33ynut

Hurley's clip "We Don't Exist" esp cool.

episode synopsis Kate goes to extreme measures to save Ben's life when Jack refuses to help. Meanwhile, Kate begins to tell the truth about the lie in order to protect Aaron,

glenndog

04-01-2009, 11:47 AM

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 11:51 AM

i've been doin' nothing all day but cruisin' the web, and i keep seeing articles for Lost being cancelled. of course, im a dope, and it took me an hour to realize that it's April fool's day.

glenndog

04-01-2009, 12:08 PM

i've been doin' nothing all day but cruisin' the web, and i keep seeing articles for Lost being cancelled. of course, im a dope, and it took me an hour to realize that it's April fool's day.

no matter how much the rating continue to slide they aren't going to cancel it.

04-01-2009, 12:17 PM

no matter how much the rating continue to slide they aren't going to cancel it.

the ending date is locked in.

instrument

04-01-2009, 12:33 PM

i love the fact that ratings are dropping, it means the show is getting GOOD.

I just wish they had this direction from the start, then we could go back and maybe see some hints as to this being where it was going all along.

still gotta wonder how the black/white rocks and "adam and eve" will tie in..

fezident

04-01-2009, 02:58 PM

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cXQsun30_7s/RgF4C4yjKBI/AAAAAAAAAzM/0IA6XqPl9C0/s400/evangeline-lilly-kate-on-lost.jpg

K.C.

04-01-2009, 03:52 PM

Sayid in three clips:
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Now I"m going to get loaded on Brooklyn Pennant Ale and prep for the show!

Tomorrow: Hurley

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 04:16 PM

Now I"m going to get loaded on Brooklyn Pennant Ale and prep for the show!

Tomorrow: Hurley

i've got a pizza and im ready for Lost! another great summary of Sayid. I have a question, will you be doing other characters, besides the Oceanic 6? because i would really like to see Ben, Mr. Eko, Juliet, possibly Rose.

K.C.

04-01-2009, 04:21 PM

i've got a pizza and im ready for Lost! another great summary of Sayid. I have a question, will you be doing other characters, besides the Oceanic 6? because i would really like to see Ben, Mr. Eko, Juliet, possibly Rose.

I'm getting there. Decided to start with the Six. Then probably on to Ben and Desmond, and then the Left Behinders from the beginning of this season.

Not sure if I'm going to do the dead characters (Charlie maybe....possibly Eko...no Boone or Shannon, there's just not enough scenes).

Absolutely not on Rose. I'm not sure if I can even think of three scenes....well, actually...:

-Telling Jack she knows her husband is alive
-Revelation that she knew Locke was paralyzed.
-Decision to go with Jack instead of Locke during the Season 4 split.

Ehhh...maybe. I'll have to see if I could find the clips, but that wouldn't be for a while.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 04:29 PM

I'm getting there. Decided to start with the Six. Then probably on to Ben and Desmond, and then the Left Behinders from the beginning of this season.

Not sure if I'm going to do the dead characters (Charlie maybe....possibly Eko...no Boone or Shannon, there's just not enough scenes).

Absolutely not on Rose. I'm not sure if I can even think of three scenes....well, actually...:

-Telling Jack she knows her husband is alive
-Revelation that she knew Locke was paralyzed.
-Decision to go with Jack instead of Locke during the Season 4 split.

Ehhh...maybe. I'll have to see if I could find the clips, but that wouldn't be for a while.

i was just giving examples of other besides the 6. you are doing an awesome job! half hour til a new episode.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 05:02 PM

well, lil' ben is alive.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 05:12 PM

why the hell would Kate tell this woman everything? what the hell is wrong with Kate?

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 05:18 PM

i like this strong/ angry jack. not helping, at this point, an innocent person seems so against Jack's nature.

i also like Hurley's sci.fi. knowledge.

dino_electropolis

04-01-2009, 05:22 PM

i like this strong/ angry jack. not helping, at this point, an innocent person seems so against Jack's nature.

i also like Hurley's sci.fi. knowledge.

I find i am liking jack more of late, he's back to that wacky intense maniac.....that is the old jack.

Chimee

04-01-2009, 05:27 PM

I get the feeling that Hurley represents the viewers right now.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 05:28 PM

I get the feeling that Hurley represents the viewers right now.

if you mean confused, then yes.

dino_electropolis

04-01-2009, 05:28 PM

I would love to see Unlce Rico bag Kate.....

HBox

04-01-2009, 05:55 PM

There is nothing less sexier than an Australian accent on a woman. Ugh.

Foster

04-01-2009, 05:55 PM

Kate's a chatty Kathy tonight

dino_electropolis

04-01-2009, 05:56 PM

yo, kate doesnt need to apologize for shit.

This grandma better be grateful that kate took care of this kid to begin with.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 05:58 PM

i have way more respect for Kate than i ever thought i would. She really isn't as bad a person as she is portrayed on the show. she is being selfless, which is rare for her.

dino_electropolis

04-01-2009, 05:58 PM

Filler episode?

ToiletCrusher

04-01-2009, 06:01 PM

What the fuck is John Locke?

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 06:02 PM

the preview is great! looks like they are going in that tomb!

K.C.

04-01-2009, 06:05 PM

Filler episode?

Dude, the promo for NEXT week was better than this entire episode, and like half the other episodes this season.

Fuck ABC...the wait is going to be excruciating.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 06:06 PM

Dude, the promo for NEXT week was better than this entire episode, and like half the other episodes this season.

Fuck ABC...the wait is going to be excruciating.

wait, how long is it going to be til the next episode?

K.C.

04-01-2009, 06:07 PM

wait, how long is it going to be til the next episode?

Just a week.

But after what I saw in that 30 second promo, it's going to be a hell of a long a week.

K.C.

04-01-2009, 06:11 PM

I don't really have much on this episode; it was kind of meh. And I'm about six deep on the Brooklyn Pennant Ale.

But:

-Widmore is still on the island in 1977, as is Elie

-Kate and Sawyer are responsible for Ben?...uh...yeah...right.

-The Hurley/Miles conversations is one of the best side-bits that Lost has ever done.

-Where the hell was Richard's crazy hippie hair he supposedly had around this time period when he first met Ben?

-Jack is back!!!! Jack is back!!!!! Love the new Jack. He totally pwned Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet all in one episode. And then his Locke-esque explanation to Juliet was fantastic.

That's about it.

-Oh, and this was the best Kate centric. It was the first time ever that I sympathized with her.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 06:12 PM

i honestly really liked this episode. of course, i'm obsessed with Kate, but I thought it was a really great episode for her, character wise, and just plain enjoyed it.

K.C.

04-01-2009, 06:19 PM

i honestly really liked this episode. of course, i'm obsessed with Kate, but I thought it was a really great episode for her, character wise, and just plain enjoyed it.

Character-wise...yes, it did a lot to justify some of the things she's done.

I would agree.

The on-island stuff kind of sucked, though (except for the Hurley/Miles thing and the Jack stuff).

And I'm actually a little disappointed in how they resolved the Ben issue. Richard's whole 'he won't remember any of this explanation' bothers me. It would be so much better if when Ben met Sayid in 2004, he remembered everything.

So I guess Ben is possessed by Smokey in some manner.

But to diverge for a minute....how fucking creepy was Locke in that last 30 seconds? I'm totally convinced he's Christian-like and lied to the 316ers. He's still dead, but resurrected like Christian. And he's there to lead Ben to be judged by the Smoke Monster.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 06:25 PM

But to diverge for a minute....how fucking creepy was Locke in that last 30 seconds? I'm totally convinced he's Christian-like and lied to the 316ers. He's still dead, but resurrected like Christian. And he's there to lead Ben to be judged by the Smoke Monster.

Locke's smile could be considered warming and terrifying. Tonight, it was a bit terrifying.

K.C.

04-01-2009, 06:32 PM

Actually, I just thought of something.

If Widmore's on the island in 1977, then Penny was born on the island.

She's HAS to be older than 27 at the time of the rescue in 2004.

WampusCrandle

04-01-2009, 06:39 PM

Actually, I just thought of something.

If Widmore's on the island in 1977, then Penny was born on the island.

She's HAS to be older than 27 at the time of the rescue in 2004.

damn, smart thinking - so what does this mean for the show?

K.C.

04-01-2009, 07:29 PM

So I decide to give this episode a more thorough write up, as the booze are wearing off:

-The Kate/Cassidy interaction seemed a little forced. Kate just shows up at her door years after having met Cassidy literally for only a day or so, and Cassidy is thrilled to see her? Then Kate proceeds to explain the entire cover-up story to her, and Cassidy just accepts it?? Not the best writing.

-I like that they use Hurley as the voice of fanboys when it comes to talking about the plot of the show. His conversation with Miles was fantastic. Miles pretty much seems to have bought into Faraday's 'Whatever Happened Happened' theory all the way. Hurley was arguing the Back To The Future, alternate timeline theory. It would seem that what happened with Little Ben would lay to rest the alternate timeline theory once and for all; Ben was saved, and the circumstances of his saving were revealed to set him on the path to become what he does in the future.

But consider this: Faraday's addendum to his theory is Desmond; more specifically, that the rules do not apply to Desmond. And all the while since we last saw Ben standing on the docks covered in blood in '316,' our imaginations have been left to run wild with the idea of Ben brutally murdering Penny, and Desmond making his way back to the island in search of Ben. Suppose Desmond arrives in 1977 instead of 2007? The only guy with the ability to change the past/future arriving in the past, with a vendetta? Could be interesting...and very Back To The Future-y

-Jack absolute leveled Kate in once sentence; "You never liked the old me." Now is that true? Hmmm..well, she did play the role of indecisive bitch for four seasons. But, allow me to submit some evidence
-#1 - Episode 3x07 - Kate's retelling of the Jack beach story
-#2 - Episode 3x17 - Kate, in tears, forcing herself to sleep with Sawyer after seeing Jack with Juliet
-#3 - Episode 4x01 - Kate choosing Jack over Sawyer and Locke
-#4 - Episode 5x04 - 'I have always been with you.'

Kate's relationship with Jack has always been one of her wanting to believe in Jack, while at the same time, wanting Jack to believe in her (which to be fair, he never really has). Jack has had his moments like at the beginning of the series where he professed he didn't want to know what Kate did because everyone on the island gets a new life, but he's always regressed from such ideas.

Sawyer has always been a kindred spirit. He's very similar in what he wants (someone to believe in) and what he needs (someone to believe in him). Juliet did that for him. She 'got his back.' And in a sense, this episode laid to rest the Sawyer/Kate romance (barring a sudden Juliet death). He flat out stated he's doing what he's doing for her (Juliet). He's over Kate. So is Kate over Sawyer? Keep reading...

-Kate seeing fake older Claire look-a-like...very interesting. I'm 95% sure it's a decoy, but...we have see enough time travel in this show...just sayin'.

-I already said that Widmore being on the island in 1977 predetermines that Penny was born on the island (or when Widmore left, he traveled back in time). But Elie is on the island, as well. Daniel has to be over 30, which means he would be born on the island also. What does this ultimately mean? I'm not entirely sure. One thing that did pique my interest was Juliet talking about the 'surgeon in The Looking Glass'....Christian???

-I thought that both Kate and Juliet would hit Jack with a 'you sound just like Locke' line tonight, but neither did. It's coming...

-So Kate goes back because of Claire (and really, because of Aaron, because she loves him so much, she owes it to him to find his real mom). I love this explanation. And yes this kind of confirms to me that Kate is over Sawyer as well. She cares about him. But has there ever been any evidence that she's ever really been in love with Sawyer? Sawyer's always been her safety valve for problems with Jack.

-Kate again blows the cover, this time to Claire's mom, who, for having just learned her daughter is alive and she has a grandson seems awfully...uh...not hysterical and pissed off...again, the writing on this isn't really realistic.

-Ben's healing at the Temple. I need more time to mull that over. My intial impression is that the bridge between life and death may be the key to seeing Jacob. Locke has nearly died twice. Ben nearly died. Of course, that doesn't explalin Hurley seeing Jacob, so I need more time to ponder this.

SP1!

04-01-2009, 08:51 PM

There is nothing less sexier than an Australian accent on a woman. Ugh.

Thats crazy talk, have an Australian girl look up from your lap asking if you like the way that feels with that accent and you will love that accent, Australian women are sexy as hell.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6019/erinphillipsnudepicture.jpg

SP1!

04-01-2009, 09:03 PM

Locke was definitely creepy this episode and Bens face was one of utter shock and terror.

I dont believe farraday was born on the island, he was one of the few that didnt suffer massive nosebleeds during the time jumping periods.

drusilla

04-01-2009, 09:28 PM

the hurley/miles conversation made me sooo happy. i loved it.

the explanation that ben would be forever changed after they gave him to richard & that he would never remember what happened was a load of crap & a giant cop out. it would make so much more sense to for all of the crap that has happened to him help to turn him into the beast he became. including remembering that sayid shot him.

i fucking loved locke at the end of the episode. that creepy smile was perfect!

ChrisTheCop

04-01-2009, 10:26 PM

-Where the hell was Richard's crazy hippie hair he supposedly had around this time period when he first met Ben?

Ben12 mentioned to Sayid that he had already met Richard in the jungle, and Richard told Ben to be patient, and he would take him in.

I gotta agree with everyone, I enjoyed the Hurley/Miles discussion.
Kinda reminded me of Dr McCoy on Star Trek, just catching the audience up on the plot lines. The question that baffled Miles however (why didnt Ben recognize Sayid?) is easily answered later by Richard's statement that Ben wont remember anything, but as he said it, my answer was "who says he didnt?" Anywho...

Claire's mom was looking an awful lot like Penny relative tonight.

Locke: "Welcome to the world of the living" THE FUCKING COOLEST!!!

And yes, Next week's looks to be THE BEST of the season!! And theyve all been amazing!!!

TooLowBrow

04-01-2009, 10:57 PM

The question that baffled Miles however (why didnt Ben recognize Sayid?) is easily answered later by Richard's statement that Ben wont remember anything, but as he said it, my answer was "who says he didnt?" Anywho...

ben always seems to want to get tortured, hes not afraid of pain if he knows he'll live through it

my newest theory is that ben can see, hear and control the dead... if he kills them. locke's power is that he cant die, so ben is constantly frustrated by the one person he cant control

disneyspy

04-02-2009, 03:47 AM

kates acting was the best,i was surprised i welled up a bit as she was sayin her goodbye to aaron. a past line that hit me while i was watchin this eppy was when kate told jack "we're on the same plane,doeasn't mean we're together",finally made sense.

NewYorkDragons80

04-02-2009, 04:40 AM

-The Kate/Cassidy interaction seemed a little forced. Kate just shows up at her door years after having met Cassidy literally for only a day or so, and Cassidy is thrilled to see her? Then Kate proceeds to explain the entire cover-up story to her, and Cassidy just accepts it?? Not the best writing.

Maybe a stretch, but they are con-artists, and Kate did confide a murder to Cassidy. That plus the whole Oceanic 6 thing would stick in Cassidy's mind.

But consider this: Faraday's addendum to his theory is Desmond; more specifically, that the rules do not apply to Desmond. And all the while since we last saw Ben standing on the docks covered in blood in '316,' our imaginations have been left to run wild with the idea of Ben brutally murdering Penny, and Desmond making his way back to the island in search of Ben. Suppose Desmond arrives in 1977 instead of 2007? The only guy with the ability to change the past/future arriving in the past, with a vendetta? Could be interesting...and very Back To The Future-y

A very interesting theory. However, what of the Widmore/Ben meeting in 2007? They both agreed that they couldn't harm each other. Does that mean that 2007 Ben (pre return to the island) is a time-traveller? Or is present day Charles Widmore?

Sawyer has always been a kindred spirit. He's very similar in what he wants (someone to believe in) and what he needs (someone to believe in him). Juliet did that for him. She 'got his back.' And in a sense, this episode laid to rest the Sawyer/Kate romance (barring a sudden Juliet death). He flat out stated he's doing what he's doing for her (Juliet). He's over Kate.

I don't agree with that as a definitive truth. Sawyer could be using Juliet as a defense mechanism. We all saw Sawyer's reaction when he first saw Kate after she returned. This issue has not been put to rest. In fact, I guarantee it will be revisited later on this season.

instrument

04-02-2009, 05:31 AM

-Kate and Sawyer are responsible for Ben?...uh...yeah...right.

uhh..
JACK is responsible for Ben for not saving his life.

That was the big revelation.

spadanko

04-02-2009, 06:51 AM

Actually, I just thought of something.

If Widmore's on the island in 1977, then Penny was born on the island.

She's HAS to be older than 27 at the time of the rescue in 2004.

So is Elle her mom? and if Elle is Eloise Hawkins, that means Faraday and Penny are brother and sister.

Furtherman

04-02-2009, 07:07 AM

i also like Hurley's sci.fi. knowledge.

I get the feeling that Hurley represents the viewers right now.

Back to the future dude! What a great scene. Especially Miles, who, next to Hurley, is becoming a favorite character for me. And that cleared up any doubt about a screwy time-line!

i have way more respect for Kate than i ever thought i would. She really isn't as bad a person as she is portrayed on the show. she is being selfless, which is rare for her.

Yea, but I don't think it's clear whether she came back for Claire, or she came back for Sawyer. She's so flip-floppy I'm not really sure. Although if she truly came back for Claire, she might be sacrificing herself for her.

Filler episode?

C'mon! Hardly!

Kate and Sawyer are responsible for Ben?...uh...yeah...right.

No, it was totally right. After all, what happened, happened... and somehow Ben had to live. Now he takes him into the Egyptian-like temple and we'll see what is the process Ben goes through. What makes him eeeevil.

-The Hurley/Miles conversations is one of the best side-bits that Lost has ever done.

I'd love to see an episode with just those two!

-Where the hell was Richard's crazy hippie hair he supposedly had around this time period when he first met Ben?

To be fair, that was when Ben was around 10 years old.

-Jack is back!!!! Jack is back!!!!! Love the new Jack. He totally pwned Sawyer, Kate, and Juliet all in one episode. And then his Locke-esque explanation to Juliet was fantastic.

Yea, Jack is going through some big changes - I had it figured that he would save Ben, but to just flat out refuse... didn't see that coming.

WampusCrandle

04-02-2009, 07:11 AM

-Ben's healing at the Temple. I need more time to mull that over. My intial impression is that the bridge between life and death may be the key to seeing Jacob. Locke has nearly died twice. Ben nearly died. Of course, that doesn't explalin Hurley seeing Jacob, so I need more time to ponder this.

I think that death and being around death is a theme, and we all know that Hurley was really surrounded by death, because of the numbers. so, maybe there is a connection between the numbers, death, Jacob, and the Temple.

I don't agree with that as a definitive truth. Sawyer could be using Juliet as a defense mechanism. We all saw Sawyer's reaction when he first saw Kate after she returned. This issue has not been put to rest. In fact, I guarantee it will be revisited later on this season.

I thought that KC pin pointed it. I think that Sawyer not calling Kate "freckles" anymore is an indicator that whatever they had is gone.

04-02-2009, 07:31 AM

I also liked KC pointing out that Jack is like Juliette and Kate like sawyer; they fit better with their opposite (Jack/kate Juliett/Sawyer).

Yes the Hurley stuff was great (which I told all of you when i gave that preview link!!)

I liked this episode; yes it was kind of a setup episode thought, although you'd think that after this Ben's father would stop being an ass to him.

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 07:48 AM

I think that Sawyer not calling Kate "freckles" anymore is an indicator that whatever they had is gone.

But..he DID call her freckles in this episode.
But I liked the official separation of them: they are not there for eachother as we may have suspected. Kate is there for Claire, and Sawyer went to help Ben...for Juliet.

Now maybe we can all move on past the romance angle.
Unless youre talking about Roger's new attraction to Kate!! Hubba Hubba!

Aggie

04-02-2009, 08:21 AM

Thanks Chris, I was going to say that he did call her Freckles once last night.

As everyone said, I highly enjoyed the Hurley/Miles seen.

As for next week's previews, the thing that got me so excited was:

we see Ben back on the dock pointing a gun at someone, I forget what he said but he wasn't all bloody yet. I think we'll get our answer to Penny being alive or dead.

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 08:35 AM

He says "Not another word." While pointing a gun and walking with great purpose.

He came back to the island to be judged!!!! I cant wait.

IMSlacker

04-02-2009, 09:39 AM

My DVR cut off about 10 seconds into the preview for next week. I'm so pissed.

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 09:45 AM

My DVR cut off about 10 seconds into the preview for next week. I'm so pissed.

here ya go budday.

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IMSlacker

04-02-2009, 09:46 AM

Thanks! You are a lazy man's best friend!

Aggie

04-02-2009, 09:46 AM

here ya go budday.

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Chris is so thoughtful! :thumbup:

WampusCrandle

04-02-2009, 09:49 AM

Chris is so thoughtful! :thumbup:

he most certainly is!!! thanks Chris!

instrument

04-02-2009, 10:14 AM

this raised some questions for me

1. Jack shephard may very well be "alive" just brought back to life/healed in the temple.

2. If jack was never supposed to leave do you think it meant that jacob knew jacks role in creating ben and was trying to stop him from leaving.

3. Was ben in command of the others prior to the purge?

people seem to be complaining about the episode, but knowing that ben was created by jacks inaction is huge.

Pestz4Evah

04-02-2009, 11:14 AM

This week's video podcast, behind the scenes of the Hurley-Miles discussion:

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Furtherman

04-02-2009, 11:46 AM

This week's video podcast, behind the scenes of the Hurley-Miles discussion:

That was great! Thanks for posting.

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 11:51 AM

That was great! Thanks for posting.

I love that the actors are trying to figure it all out too, and not just reading their lines, then complaining there's not enough grapefruit or something.

K.C.

04-02-2009, 01:03 PM

uhh..
JACK is responsible for Ben for not saving his life.

That was the big revelation.

They could have let Ben die.

Furtherman

04-02-2009, 01:06 PM

They could have let Ben die.

No, Sawyer wanted Ben to live because he was doing it for Juliet. He wasn't going to let her down.

K.C.

04-02-2009, 01:10 PM

No, Sawyer wanted Ben to live because he was doing it for Juliet. He wasn't going to let her down.

Agreed, which is why they're responsible for Ben becoming what he is (if you believe that Ben's history is ultimately altered by his experience with Richard in the Temple), because they didn't let him die.

The best part about this is that it puts a whole new spin on the Ben/815ers relatonship. The acts of the 815ers turn Ben into the monster that he becomes.

WampusCrandle

04-02-2009, 01:16 PM

K.C. - I have a question for you:

at the end of that clip, Miles said that seasons 5 & 6 have already happened - referring to time travel, was that a slip of the tongue? are we supposed to know that season 6 should be in the 70s or are we supposed to disregard what Miles said?

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 01:17 PM

Agreed, which is why they're responsible for Ben becoming what he is (if you believe that Ben's history is ultimately altered by his experience with Richard in the Temple), because they didn't let him die.

The best part about this is that it puts a whole new spin on the Ben/815ers relatonship. The acts of the 815ers turn Ben into the monster that he becomes.

why does everyone say ben is such a monster. all of the main characters have killed and hurt lots of times. he seems to kill if its for the islands sake but jack will kill someone without even knowing whats really going on

Furtherman

04-02-2009, 01:19 PM

WampusCrandle

04-02-2009, 01:27 PM

Dude, that's an off camera joke.

i was just saying that, though what he said was joking, half of it is true. just wanted to see what K.C. thought about it.

K.C.

04-02-2009, 01:32 PM

why does everyone say ben is such a monster. all of the main characters have killed and hurt lots of times. he seems to kill if its for the islands sake but jack will kill someone without even knowing whats really going on

Honestly, I agree with that, EXCEPT for what happened to Alex, and what is likely to happen to Penny (and the reasoning behind both).

Those two things are pretty brutal.

And then he has nearly killed Locke twice out of jealousy.

The jury's out on the Purge and the Abbadon shooting.

If you look at the reasoning behind some of the other characters and why they've killed, it's interesting. Some are justified (or at least have a rationale case), some are purely selfish.

For the record, though, Jack has never killed anyone. He euthanized the Marshal in Season 1 and he tried to kill Locke.

SP1!

04-02-2009, 01:37 PM

Agreed, which is why they're responsible for Ben becoming what he is (if you believe that Ben's history is ultimately altered by his experience with Richard in the Temple), because they didn't let him die.

The best part about this is that it puts a whole new spin on the Ben/815ers relatonship. The acts of the 815ers turn Ben into the monster that he becomes.

But they are going back to the essence of what ultimately caused ben to be turned over to richard who alludes to him being changed if they take him, so by proxy Jack is responsible for ben since his refusal to operate caused them to turn him over to the others for healing.

Either way I hope next weeks episode lives up to the preview since I expected more from this weeks episode even though I liked it.

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 01:40 PM

Honestly, I agree with that, EXCEPT for what happened to Alex,

he had to let her die. if he had gone out they wouldve killed everyone on the island. it was a sacrifice

Furtherman

04-02-2009, 01:44 PM

he had to let her die. if he had gone out they wouldve killed everyone on the island. it was a sacrifice

No, he wanted to save her and was devastated when she died. Remember, Widmore "changed the rules".

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 02:18 PM

The jury's out on the Purge

Hugo: So, this is where you shot Locke and left him for dead huh?
Ben: Yes Hugo, I was standing right where you are now when I pulled the trigger.
Ben: Should've realized at the time that it was pointless, but...I really
wasn't thinking clearly.
Hugo: Is that why you killed all these people too?
Ben: I didn't kill them..
Hugo: Well, if the Others didn't wipe them out...
Ben: They did wipe them out Hugo, but it wasn't my decision
Hugo: Whose was it?
Ben: Their leader's.
Hugo: But I thought you were their leader?
Ben: Not always.
he's innocent

NewYorkDragons80

04-02-2009, 02:55 PM

I thought that KC pin pointed it. I think that Sawyer not calling Kate "freckles" anymore is an indicator that whatever they had is gone.

I'm 99% sure he's called Kate "freckles" since she came back.

BlackSpider

04-02-2009, 02:57 PM

I'm 99% sure he's called Kate "freckles" since she came back.

Yup,
last nights episode...

Dell

04-02-2009, 03:01 PM

I'm not too crazy about the new Sawyer... I think he was a lot more interesting as the bad boy

fezident

04-02-2009, 03:29 PM

Remember when LOST used to show a scene in one episode... and then... sometimes many episodes later, we'd see that exact scene again but from another character's POV?
I sense that they're gonna bring that back.

During Miles and Hurley's in-depth conversation about time travel, the director -very clumsily- cuts to Jack walking out of the kitchen, and right out the door of the house. I predict that we will see that scene again... but from Jack's POV. Something about their conversation motivated him to leave. Immediately.

K.C.

04-02-2009, 05:22 PM

he had to let her die. if he had gone out they wouldve killed everyone on the island. it was a sacrifice

That's actually not entirely true. When Keamy caught Ben in the Season 4 finale, they went back to the chopper. He was going to take Ben back to the freighter despite there still being people alive on the island.

So I'm not sure his orders were to kill EVERYONE on the island. Just to kill anyone who impeded the goal of capturing Ben, and prevent anyone from leaving.

I'm sure Keamy was more than willing to kill everyone and anyone, but to say that if Ben had gave himself up to save Alex, they would have killed everyone anyway, is something you can't know.

instrument

04-02-2009, 05:36 PM

he's innocent

Anyone who bases any theories on the show off of anything Ben has said is clearly insane.

Nothing ben says can be trusted, I think everyone should have realized this by now.

K.C.

04-02-2009, 05:39 PM

Hurley in three clips

(first two clips are a little longer than usual)

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Tomorrow: Sun

Dan 'Hampton

04-02-2009, 05:45 PM

Anyone else catch Sawyers homage to Han Solo?
"We've got them right were we want them"?

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 05:57 PM

Anyone else catch Sawyers homage to Han Solo?
"We've got them right were we want them"?

He better watch it; Star Wars was released in May of '77. Someone new to the island may get hip.:happy:

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 06:03 PM

Anyone who bases any theories on the show off of anything Ben has said is clearly insane.

Nothing ben says can be trusted, I think everyone should have realized this by now.

am i the only one who thinks ben is good, yet his motivies are misunderstood

and widmore is evil, but he tries to look like the good guy

the rest are either good or evil based on whom they follow and/or believe

MIKEYDAKEN

04-02-2009, 06:14 PM

am i the only one who thinks ben is good, yet his motivies are misunderstood

and widmore is evil, but he tries to look like the good guy

the rest are either good or evil based on whom they follow and/or believe

i thought ben was a supreme big bad but after alex was killed he seemed to become human. with that being said he has to kill penny to make widmore feel what he felt but i just think it's gonna piss desmond off and to nothing for widmore thus showing he really is the bad guy

NewYorkDragons80

04-02-2009, 06:43 PM

Anyone else catch Sawyers homage to Han Solo?
"We've got them right were we want them"?

Perhaps it was a tribute to Arthur

drusilla

04-02-2009, 07:10 PM

instrument

04-02-2009, 08:12 PM

i thought ben was a supreme big bad but after alex was killed he seemed to become human. with that being said he has to kill penny to make widmore feel what he felt but i just think it's gonna piss desmond off and to nothing for widmore thus showing he really is the bad guy

well to be honest, she wasn't his daughter, widmore didn't seem too concerned when ben confronted him, saying that it was all ben's fault anyway.

i always got the feel from season 4 that Naomi wasn't aware that the mercenaries were on the boat, remember the scene with abaddon where she wasn't happy with the crew that was going with her? Unless widmore kept the plan a secret even from abaddon...or simply this was a plot change from one season to the next..

but honestly after seeing both widmore and ben as a kid, i would have to assume that whatever ben did was justified, widmore was just really annoying.

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 08:27 PM

i always got the feel from season 4 that Naomi wasn't aware that the mercenaries were on the boat, remember the scene with abaddon where she wasn't happy with the crew that was going with her?

naomi was the mercinary who wanted to be in place on the island first.
she was their leader
she wasnt happy with the scientist/archeologist/psychic/pilot part of the team

Doogie

04-02-2009, 08:35 PM

What the fuck is John Locke?

He is "Losts'" version of 'Kara Thrace.'

WampusCrandle

04-02-2009, 08:45 PM

another bang up job, K.C.!

TooLowBrow

04-02-2009, 09:24 PM

i just realized that aaron is back on the island too

after kate left him, bens lawyers mustve snapped him up and onto the plane somehow

ChrisTheCop

04-02-2009, 09:35 PM

i just realized that aaron is back on the island too

after kate left him, bens lawyers mustve snapped him up and onto the plane somehow

yeah. ummWhaaaaa?

TooLowBrow

04-03-2009, 01:27 PM

yeah. ummWhaaaaa?

well who's watching him, keeping him safe?

claire's mom!?!?

her lover, daughter, half son, lover's son, and grandson all wound up on the island

i guarantee that someone stole aaron from her and brought him back to the island too

K.C.

04-03-2009, 01:31 PM

well who's watching him, keeping him safe?

claire's mom!?!?

her lover, daughter, half son, lover's son, and grandson all wound up on the island

i guarantee that someone stole aaron from her and brought him back to the island too

I don't buy it.

I think it's more likely that Aaron's story is over and we never see him again on the show, than that.

But, for the record, I kind of see Aaron as the future generation Jack. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a flash-forward in one of the final episodes of Aaron in his 30s landing on the island in a plane crash or something, and leading in a very Jack-esque manner.

K.C.

04-03-2009, 02:10 PM

Sun in three clips (watch the volume on clip #3 ,she can get quite loud.

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TooLowBrow

04-03-2009, 10:44 PM

if bens dad and jack are both have 'workman' status

i wonder how well they get to know one another?

NewYorkDragons80

04-04-2009, 06:12 AM

I think either Sawyer or Juliet is gonna die by the end of the season. They already announced that a major character will die. Plus, the whole Sawyer, Kate, Jack, and Juliet thing is a little bit too Friends with how incestuous it's getting. I think the producers are going to try to subtract from a "love Mexican standoff" and revert it back into a plain old love triangle. Just a thought.

WampusCrandle

04-04-2009, 11:30 AM

WampusCrandle

04-04-2009, 11:38 AM

Sun in three clips (watch the volume on clip #3 ,she can get quite loud.

another great selection, K.C. cant wait for tomorrows selections!

NewYorkDragons80

04-04-2009, 07:10 PM

i'm getting that sense of major, imminent death too. i really hope it is not Kate - how lovely she is.

It definitely won't be Jack. I tend not to think it'll be Kate, either. My money is on Sawyer.

K.C.

04-04-2009, 08:28 PM

It definitely won't be Jack. I tend not to think it'll be Kate, either. My money is on Sawyer.

Mine is on Ben.

And speaking of Ben:

Ben in three clips:
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Tomorrow (as in later tonight): Desmond

Furtherman

04-06-2009, 06:56 AM

if bens dad and jack are both have 'workman' status

i wonder how well they get to know one another?

And that makes me wonder about "Skeletor" in the Dharma Van that Hurley found. I think it was assumed it was Ben's father, but now it could be anyone? Or do we know if was definitely him? I don't recall if that was established.

As for who is getting killed - I'm thinking it's either Sayid or Juliet.

Juliet might try and keep the life she and Sawyer made so far and in doing so, piss someone, or the island, off.

Sayid seems kind of lost himself right now - his wife is gone and he's admitted he's a bad man. The island might be done with him.

WampusCrandle

04-06-2009, 08:10 AM

another great selection, K.C.!!!!!!! :clap:

Furtherman

04-06-2009, 09:03 AM

Lost gets a Peabody Award. (http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/lost-breaking-bad-entourage-among-peabody-winnners.html)

"Lost" (ABC)
ABC Studios
Breezily mixing metaphysics, quantum physics, romance and cliffhanger action, the genre-bending series about a group of air-crash survivors on a mysterious island has rewritten the rules of television fiction.

TooLowBrow

04-06-2009, 09:52 AM

And that makes me wonder about "Skeletor" in the Dharma Van that Hurley found. I think it was assumed it was Ben's father, but now it could be anyone? Or do we know if was definitely him? I don't recall if that was established.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/6/6d/3X10_RogerIsFound.jpg/800px-3X10_RogerIsFound.jpg

Furtherman

04-06-2009, 10:51 AM

Ahhh. Nevermind then.

NewYorkDragons80

04-06-2009, 02:04 PM

TooLowBrow

04-06-2009, 02:22 PM

I've been doing some thinking, and Lapidus is coming across as such a good character that he hasn't had a chance to let his dark side show. Maybe Lapidus has been a Widmore mole all along? He brought the mercenaries to the island and managed to fly back there again (he knew the heading, so I doubt this was as accidental as it is being portrayed). I'm only speculating because up until now Frank has been a pretty solid protagonist so I figured it was only a matter of time before he goes through the Lost wringer. I have similar suspicions about Penny.

Before arriving at the Island, Frank told Naomi he should be the first to go to the Island, but she denied him. He introduced himself to Michael and asked him why he was on board. When Michael said he was looking for adventure, Frank told him the biggest adventure was that the Oceanic wreck found at the bottom of the ocean is a fake. He said Mr. Widmore believed him and that if they ever found a survivor of Oceanic Flight 815 it would be cataclysmic.

ya think?

K.C.

04-06-2009, 06:34 PM

Desmond in three clips: (long clips...sorry)

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Tomorrow: Sawyer

NewYorkDragons80

04-06-2009, 07:37 PM

ya think?

At this point he hasn't done or said anything that is neccessarily dangerous to the survivors. Are you trying to say it's been established that he knowingly brought harm to the people of Oceanic 815

TooLowBrow

04-06-2009, 07:46 PM

At this point he hasn't done or said anything that is neccessarily dangerous to the survivors. Are you trying to say it's been established that he knowingly brought harm to the people of Oceanic 815

he was one of the only people to realize the fake 815 for what it was.

i think widmore contacted him, flattered him on his keen observation

then asked him to do something when the time was right

lapidus is a sleeper agent

i think juliet is a sleeper for richards others

WampusCrandle

04-06-2009, 08:43 PM

good job, K.C. - I can't wait to see Sawyer tomorrow!

CountryBob

04-07-2009, 05:15 AM

Man, that phone call moment between Desmond and Penny was emotionally great. I forgot about that - i enjoy his storylines probably better than the others.

instrument

04-07-2009, 05:51 AM

And that makes me wonder about "Skeletor" in the Dharma Van that Hurley found. I think it was assumed it was Ben's father, but now it could be anyone? Or do we know if was definitely him? I don't recall if that was established.

As for who is getting killed - I'm thinking it's either Sayid or Juliet.

Juliet might try and keep the life she and Sawyer made so far and in doing so, piss someone, or the island, off.

Sayid seems kind of lost himself right now - his wife is gone and he's admitted he's a bad man. The island might be done with him.

so you're saying that when ben put on the gas mask and we saw his father enhaling the smoke that possibly jack ran in, released ben's dad, and died in his place?

unless you missed that part in the episode...where ben pulled the cannister out...(his dad clearly in the van coughing)?

Furtherman

04-07-2009, 05:57 AM

so you're saying that when ben put on the gas mask and we saw his father enhaling the smoke that possibly jack ran in, released ben's dad, and died in his place?

unless you missed that part in the episode...where ben pulled the cannister out...(his dad clearly in the van coughing)?

No, I wasn't saying anything like that at all. It is just that there is more than one Dharma van, and what I did not remember, and TooLowBrow was kind enough to show, was that Skeletor was Roger.

K.C.

04-07-2009, 07:19 PM

Sawyer in three clips:

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Tomorrow: Juliet

K.C.

04-07-2009, 07:28 PM

I've been doing some thinking, and Lapidus is coming across as such a good character that he hasn't had a chance to let his dark side show. Maybe Lapidus has been a Widmore mole all along? He brought the mercenaries to the island and managed to fly back there again (he knew the heading, so I doubt this was as accidental as it is being portrayed). I'm only speculating because up until now Frank has been a pretty solid protagonist so I figured it was only a matter of time before he goes through the Lost wringer. I have similar suspicions about Penny.

Not buying it.

They made it kind of clear that the Science Team and the crew of the freighter weren't completely in on the intentions of the mercenary team. Michael says at one point that he thought it was a rescue mission...the Captain says he thought it was an extraction mission...the only two people who seemed to know the deal were Naomi and Keamy.

Remember, Frank tried to stop Keamy until Keamy slit the Doc's throat, killed Captain Gault, and threatened to take out more if Frank didn't fly him back.

I really just think he's along for the ride.

And Penny doesn't make any sense as being a mole for her father. Why would she have rescued the O6 if that was the case?

K.C.

04-07-2009, 07:33 PM

i think juliet is a sleeper for richards others

What would be the point? Her whole focus is maintaining her relationship with Sawyer, and the lie about how they ended up in DHARMA (as is Sawyer's focus for that matter).

There's no motivation for her to be with Richard at this point.

TooLowBrow

04-07-2009, 07:36 PM

Not buying it.

They made it kind of clear that the Science Team and the crew of the freighter weren't completely in on the intentions of the mercenary team. Michael says at one point that he thought it was a rescue mission...the Captain says he thought it was an extraction mission...the only two people who seemed to know the deal were Naomi and Keamy.

Remember, Frank tried to stop Keamy until Keamy slit the Doc's throat, killed Captain Gault, and threatened to take out more if Frank didn't fly him back.

I really just think he's along for the ride.

the thing that makes me wonder about lapidus is that the only other time that he met ben, kate and sawyer and sayid were teaming up to save him.
the next time he sees ben sun knocks him back with an oar. and he was ok with that.
unless i missed something, its just seemed odd to me

WampusCrandle

04-07-2009, 07:39 PM

another superb selection - it almost makes you a bit teared up seeing the Sawyer selection and his inner growth while on the island.

TooLowBrow

04-07-2009, 07:39 PM

What would be the point? Her whole focus is maintaining her relationship with Sawyer, and the lie about how they ended up in DHARMA (as is Sawyer's focus for that matter).

There's no motivation for her to be with Richard at this point.

if richard (and juliet) know that she has to stick with sawyer for 3 years, for the islands benefit, why wouldnt she playact for that long?
she knows too much about the dharmas hatches for my trust. she had only been there for 3 years previous to the 815 crash
she should only really have visited the staff and the barracks.
do other di members know all about all of the stations?(including the temple)

disneyspy

04-08-2009, 05:39 AM

if richard (and juliet) know that she has to stick with sawyer for 3 years, for the islands benefit, why wouldnt she playact for that long?
she knows too much about the dharmas hatches for my trust. she had only been there for 3 years previous to the 815 crash
she should only really have visited the staff and the barracks.
do other di members know all about all of the stations?(including the temple)

the dharma people built the stations(not the temple,it was there before them),she was an other so she had free reign over the island,til 815 and then the others set up their own boundry from the survivors. i think she had plenty of time to see the island cuz i dont think the smoke monster attacks the others,plus she was a doctor so the medical station was in her area and except for the looking glass it seems like the others knew about all about the stations dharma built on their island.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 08:39 AM

if richard (and juliet) know that she has to stick with sawyer for 3 years, for the islands benefit, why wouldnt she playact for that long?
she knows too much about the dharmas hatches for my trust. she had only been there for 3 years previous to the 815 crash
she should only really have visited the staff and the barracks.
do other di members know all about all of the stations?(including the temple)

At the risk of jumping the gun on one of my Juliet clips:

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A little too genuine for me to buy ulterior motives...

The DHARMA people built all the stations, save the Temple, which isn't a station, so yes, they know of them all.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 08:44 AM

the thing that makes me wonder about lapidus is that the only other time that he met ben, kate and sawyer and sayid were teaming up to save him.
the next time he sees ben sun knocks him back with an oar. and he was ok with that.
unless i missed something, its just seemed odd to me

Kate and Sayid teamed up because Richard held them at gun point and made them. I think that was pretty clear they didn't do it by choice.

And Frank makes it clear he doesn't trust Ben. If you re-watch that scene, he basically convinces Sun not to go with him.

But that doesn't mean he's a mole for Widmore...that just means he doesn't trust Ben. One is not necessarily related to the other.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 08:54 AM

another superb selection - it almost makes you a bit teared up seeing the Sawyer selection and his inner growth while on the island.

Yeah, he's probably the character that they've developed the most over the last few seasons.

You really kind of start to see the change in the episodes after he and Kate escape the Hydra in Season 3, and it's really just built from there.

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 10:22 AM

The DHARMA people built all the stations, save the Temple, which isn't a station, so yes, they know of them all.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/c/c9/4x08_Map_Temple.jpg/800px-4x08_Map_Temple.jpg

the temple is clearly marked on ben's map as a dharma station

K.C.

04-08-2009, 10:41 AM

instrument

04-08-2009, 10:41 AM

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/thumb/c/c9/4x08_Map_Temple.jpg/800px-4x08_Map_Temple.jpg

the temple is clearly marked on ben's map as a dharma station

yes, and they could mark the foot in the sand as a dharma location, doesn't mean dharma built it.

and we're also assuming that those temples are one in the same....the temple that rousseau and her crew stumbled upon seemed to be really close to the shoreline....it might simply be 2 "temples"

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 11:41 AM

That's right...I completely forgot about that.

...hmmm...I'll have to ponder that for a little bit.

just like how the wheel at the bottom of the orchid obviously predates dharma, yet its still inside the dharma station.
i see dharma building a 'temple' hatch or station that is exploring the 'magic' of the temple

NewYorkDragons80

04-08-2009, 01:42 PM

Have you noticed that the Sawyer/Juliet clips on youtube are named "Suliet"? Lost's newest "it" couple

K.C.

04-08-2009, 02:09 PM

Have you noticed that the Sawyer/Juliet clips on youtube are named "Suliet"? Lost's newest "it" couple

Jate
Skate
Jacket
Suliet

Yeah...it's a little bizarre...

WampusCrandle

04-08-2009, 02:13 PM

Jate
Skate
Jacket
Suliet

Yeah...it's a little bizarre...

eck, i hate transforming names.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 03:31 PM

Juliet in three clips (unfortunately, I showed one a little early)

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Tomorrow: Locke

Doctor Manhattan

04-08-2009, 05:20 PM

Cesar was getting a little bossy...

MIKEYDAKEN

04-08-2009, 05:25 PM

ben rules.hands down the badest ass on the lost island

Doogie

04-08-2009, 05:29 PM

Cesar was getting a little bossy...

I agree...plus I don't like his policy of pouring oil down people's throats.

drusilla

04-08-2009, 05:45 PM

nooooooooooooooooooooooo not penny!

Doctor Manhattan

04-08-2009, 05:51 PM

Desmond rules.hands down the badest ass off the lost island

Doogie

04-08-2009, 05:52 PM

nooooooooooooooooooooooo not penny!

Ha...reacted a little too soon to that one. I wanted to wait it out and see what happened. Goddamn that was an awesome ass kicking!!!

PS...enough of these fucking ads for the 'Unusuals'!!!!!!

HBox

04-08-2009, 06:03 PM

It's like it made Ben stay alive and follow Locke as a punishment.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 06:05 PM

Best episode of the season, easily.

Doctor Manhattan

04-08-2009, 06:09 PM

Wow, Alex is hot when she's dead.

HBox

04-08-2009, 06:12 PM

Wow, Alex is hot when she's dead.

She was hot when before she died.

In fact, she was hot when Ben stole her.

Doogie

04-08-2009, 06:15 PM

Ok a few of my notes about tonights episode.

1) Ben is an evil corrupt man. He will do anything to get his own way. He also would defy orders in the past and present to get what he wants. Well up until he meets Alex. Yet he has a weakness for women with children.

2) Charles Widmore was on the island up till he was middle aged. Up till Ben usurped his position of authority and Widmore left as a result of his "breaking the rules."

3) The island prefers Ben. In the form of Christian he tells others of this message, and Ben needs to see Alex to understand this.

4) Ben gives two sides to understanding Locke coming back. One he says to Locke himself about "expecting it." And one to Sun where he says "he is scared to death of it."

5) Ben tries to control Locke, but for some reason this time Locke sees through Ben's angles, and Ben is frightened cause of it.

6)Desmond gets shot by Ben during his attempt to kill Penny. Desmond is also the one who beats the fuck out of Ben.

7) Illana says a riddle to Lopedis: "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" I believe that the other people on the plane were sent by Widmore to wipe out the Lost crew. And that phrase was a code to see if he was part of the team, my own personal theory.

8) The temple is loaded in Egyptian hyieroglyphics including one that shows an Egyptian god summoning the smoke monster. Need to see that scene again to get a good look at that whole thing again.

9) Alex is brought back before Ben during his "smoke monster experience" to warn him NOT to harm Locke and to follow him obediently .

K.C.

04-08-2009, 06:21 PM

Ok a few of my notes about tonights episode.

1) Ben is an evil corrupt man. He will do anything to get his own way. He also would defy orders in the past and present to get what he wants. Well up until he meets Alex. Yet he has a weakness for women with children.

Actually, I think it's kind of disproved in this episode that he's evil and corrupt.

We learn that:
-He lets Rousseau live, despite an order to kill her.
-Saves and cares for Alex
-Rids the island of Widmore (whom both he, and Richard considered a problem)
-Despite wanting to kill Penny in revenge for Alex, has second thoughts and hesitates when he sees their young child.

I think Ben came across as very human and justified.

His one sin was letting Alex die, and that was the ONLY thing he had to answer for. And he expressed remorse for it.

Compare that to Eko who expressed no guilt.

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That seemed to be the difference.

In a lot of ways, this episode vindicates Ben.

HBox

04-08-2009, 06:24 PM

6)Desmond gets shot by Ben during his attempt to kill Penny. Desmond is also the one who beats the fuck out of Ben.

It didn't look like he got injured by the shot though. I think something in the bag caught it.

ScottiePP7

04-08-2009, 06:26 PM

Looks like this guy: Anubis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anubis)

"Anubis was the god to protect the dead and bring them to the afterlife"

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 06:28 PM

His one sin was letting Alex die, and that was the ONLY thing he had to answer for. And he expressed remorse for it.

In a lot of ways, this episode vindicates Ben.

i think he couldve let alex live, but he would be giving up the island

so he let her die, and expressed remorse.

the island liked that

but he did it out of fear and the island needs a fearless leader

so that was when the island started helping locke more than ben

K.C.

04-08-2009, 06:31 PM

i think he couldve let alex live, but he would be giving up the island

so he let her die, and expressed remorse.

the island liked that

but he did it out of fear and the island needs a fearless leader

so that was when the island started helping locke more than ben

I actually think a lot of it had to do with Penny, too. He had a chance to kill her, and he saw Charlie Jr. and you could see the hesitation on Ben's face, as if he was having second thoughts about doing it.

I firmly believe if he had killed Penny, Smokey would have ate him.

drusilla

04-08-2009, 06:36 PM

7) Illana says a riddle to Lopedis: "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" I believe that the other people on the plane were sent by Widmore to wipe out the Lost crew. And that phrase was a code to see if he was part of the team, my own personal theory.

that's a really interesting theory. i was wondering why she asked him that & they still haven't told us her part of the story.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 06:44 PM

that's a really interesting theory. i was wondering why she asked him that & they still haven't told us her part of the story.

I think it's fairly safe to say she's with Widmore.

I wonder where they're going with this, though.

You would hope that Ben, Locke, and Sun would focus on finding the other people in the past, but are they going to be side-tracked the rest of the season with Ilana and her group?

Doogie

04-08-2009, 06:47 PM

Actually, I think it's kind of disproved in this episode that he's evil and corrupt.

We learn that:
-He lets Rousseau live, despite an order to kill her.
-Saves and cares for Alex
-Rids the island of Widmore (whom both he, and Richard considered a problem)
-Despite wanting to kill Penny in revenge for Alex, has second thoughts and hesitates when he sees their young child.

I think Ben came across as very human and justified.

His one sin was letting Alex die, and that was the ONLY thing he had to answer for. And he expressed remorse for it.

Compare that to Eko who expressed no guilt.
That seemed to be the difference.

In a lot of ways, this episode vindicates Ben.

Hmmmm...see I understand that Ben was vindicated, but I agree with you that it was more out of fear. I think if Locke hadnt prodded him to actually go see the monster I believe that he would have of continued in his corrupt ways. Sure he is human and makes mistakes and was vindicated in the end. But it was due to remorse and fear. He truly knew what it felt to be human in those moments that he was being judged.

Sure he showed signs of humanity that you cited but that is just tonight. Never forget that he had something to do with the gassing and killing of the Dharma Initiative. Sure we might find out they were doing something vile and sinister, but as far as we know these were just people trying to live and work on this island. Yes he was an abused child who did need to see justice done against his father...but against everyone else?? No. That is a selfish and evil act.

And also according to the conversation between him and Widmore, there are rules regarding returning to the island. The man manipulated everything and anyone to get back to it.

Then again I may be proven wrong in the end and Ben may wind up being the Archangel, Michael. Who knows?? I see that man as evil, YET tonight I did see he got a shot at vindication. Not too unlike Peter did in John 21.

K.C.

04-08-2009, 06:59 PM

Hmmmm...see I understand that Ben was vindicated, but I agree with you that it was more out of fear. I think if Locke hadnt prodded him to actually go see the monster I believe that he would have of continued in his corrupt ways. Sure he is human and makes mistakes and was vindicated in the end. But it was due to remorse and fear. He truly knew what it felt to be human in those moments that he was being judged.

Sure he showed signs of humanity that you cited but that is just tonight. Never forget that he had something to do with the gassing and killing of the Dharma Initiative. Sure we might find out they were doing something vile and sinister, but as far as we know these were just people trying to live and work on this island. Yes he was an abused child who did need to see justice done against his father...but against everyone else?? No. That is a selfish and evil act.

And also according to the conversation between him and Widmore, there are rules regarding returning to the island. The man manipulated everything and anyone to get back to it.

Then again I may be proven wrong in the end and Ben may wind up being the Archangel, Michael. Who knows?? I see that man as evil, YET tonight I did see he got a shot at vindication. Not too unlike Peter did in John 21.

You kind of answered what my contention would have been with DHARMA...we have to wait and find out.

But, suppose DHARMA are good, peace-loving hippies after all. We still don't know what the intentions of the ISLAND are at this point. It's possible the island is some form of unholy evil and Ben it's caretaker (although I don't believe this...but it's possible...).

I took Locke's prodding, and Ben's reluctance as affirmation that Ben knew he was guilty and he was scared to die.

I took his remorse over Alex's death as genuine. If you watch the scene again (end of this clip), I think it shows that he's sorry over the choice he made.

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I think that's how Ben broke the rules. He was suppose to leave the island, save Alex, and accept his banishment. Locke was suppose to move the island and save it so that Jack could become the caretaker.

Instead, Ben refused to leave, Locke never fulfilled his destiny, and Jack denied his responsibility.

In a lot of ways, I think this last season and a quarter will be about correcting that.

Ben will ultimately meet his fate, Locke will pave the way, and Jack will become steward of the island.

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 07:17 PM

the dharmites, espescially dr candle, seem to be trying to figure out the secrets of the island.
tinkering with things that shouldnt be tinkered with.

imagine you are the island.
dharma shows up
goes to your asshole (the well)
builds a greenhouse over it and starts drilling it out to make it wider

wouldnt you want someone to release some gas to kill them?

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 07:31 PM

i just noticed that desmonds boat is named after that book he's saving.

i think the book took the bullet for him

also

the risk board was still set up from hurley and sawyers game 3 years before

and

what wouldve happened to locke if ben took him into the temple?

im guessing some sort of a trap

disneyspy

04-08-2009, 07:32 PM

dammit i forgot to record tonight,anybudday know what time the episode gets put online?

hammersavage

04-08-2009, 07:37 PM

i just noticed that desmonds boat is named after that book he's saving.

One of the boats Ben walked by was named 'Savage'.

I felt like part of the show.

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 08:42 PM

what was in the crate that the 316ers were trying to move?

i think a bomb

Don Stugots

04-08-2009, 08:44 PM

One of the boats Ben walked by was named 'Savage'.

I felt like part of the show.

and you know Jay Mohr, you are Mr. Hollywood.

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 08:46 PM

and you know Jay Mohr, you are Mr. Hollywood.

he is a friend of the radio show that the message board he posts on follows

ChrisTheCop

04-08-2009, 09:39 PM

As they promised, another amazing episode!
I agree with KC, as I predicted, the best of the season thus far!

I truly thought that Ben was a goner. And he may well be after a few eps of following Locke as prescribed, he'll see opportunities to get back to being Ben, perhaps once he realizes that Jack is more important than Locke, and he'll have to go.

I kinda wish they'd used a different actor to play 20's Ben, or however old he was.
Wigs just cant hide wrinkles.
And who do you think his friend was? Tom Friendly maybe? I dont think they used a name.

I also like the new laid back, possibly all knowing, Locke. Just as much as the new Sawyer.

And Doogie, I like your theory about Ilana and Seth Rogan, et al... it was a password deal.

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 09:44 PM

I kinda wish they'd used a different actor to play 20's Ben, or however old he was.
Wigs just cant hide wrinkles.
And who do you think his friend was? Tom Friendly maybe? I dont think they used a name.

before he grabbed roussaus baby?
i thought he called him ethan

JDE

04-08-2009, 09:45 PM

As they promised, another amazing episode!

And who do you think his friend was? Tom Friendly maybe? I dont think they used a name.

.

Amazing episode indeed.

That was a young Ethan, at one point Ben says Ethan.

ChrisTheCop

04-08-2009, 09:49 PM

before he grabbed roussaus baby?
i thought he called him ethan

Amazing episode indeed.

That was a young Ethan, at one point Ben says Ethan.

Ohhh..ok...musta been crunchin my wheat thins at that point. Thanks!

TooLowBrow

04-08-2009, 10:11 PM

One of the boats Ben walked by was named 'Savage'.

I felt like part of the show.

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Furtherman

04-09-2009, 05:40 AM

Cesar was getting a little bossy...

THAT was a holy shit moment. Didn't expect him to go out so early. So much for finding out what his backstory is!

7) Illana says a riddle to Lopedis: "What lies in the shadow of the statue?" I believe that the other people on the plane were sent by Widmore to wipe out the Lost crew. And that phrase was a code to see if he was part of the team, my own personal theory.

That was another strange moment. So the whole bounty hunter story was fake, so she and some other passengers knew they were going to land back on the island? How does that conversation go? "Get on this plane, it's going to crash, but don't worry, you'll be alive on an island."

There must be something more for them to take a risk like that without knowing for sure they would end up on the island. Maybe they were banished others as well, trying to get back.

Glad to see that Frank will be staying around.

Aggie

04-09-2009, 05:53 AM

drusilla

04-09-2009, 06:19 AM

THAT was a holy shit moment. Didn't expect him to go out so early. So much for finding out what his backstory is!

that actually made me really happy. i was not in the mood to care about him. he just annoyed me from the start. that was pretty sweet to see him go so fast.

hydee

04-09-2009, 06:23 AM

Amazing episode! I really thought Ben would die too, I love that we got to see what happens inside Smokey. No wonder Eko was scared to death, he did some awful things in his life.

I'm trying to remember the recent Sayid episode where it showed Ilana taking him hostage. Do you remember what the time frame was? Was it the same day the plane left? I'm asking because we found out last night that Ben gave Widmore a heads up saying he was going to go back to the island "tonight" when he called him from the dock. Widmore believed him after he told him he was going to kill Penny but did he have time to get Ilana and a team together to go apprehend Sayid and get people on the plane with a plan? Interesting. And the riddle was definitely a password.

My husband and I totally came up with this one last night. I think that Ben calling Charles to gloat was a bad idea and it gave Charles time to put together a team. My only question is if Sun is in on this or not. I mean she did approach Charles awhile ago and told him that she wanted to work with him, to get revenge for Jin.

Dell

04-09-2009, 06:33 AM

My husband and I totally came up with this one last night. I think that Ben calling Charles to gloat was a bad idea and it gave Charles time to put together a team. My only question is if Sun is in on this or not. I mean she did approach Charles awhile ago and told him that she wanted to work with him, to get revenge for Jin.

Wow... forgot all about the Sun-Charles meeting... I'm going to re-watch now and pay closer attention to Sun's interactions with the other survivors from the plane

Also, what are the theories as to why some went back to the 70's and Sun did not (I haven't been monitoring the board)? Thanks.

hydee

04-09-2009, 06:56 AM

Wow... forgot all about the Sun-Charles meeting... I'm going to re-watch now and pay closer attention to Sun's interactions with the other survivors from the plane

Also, what are the theories as to why some went back to the 70's and Sun did not (I haven't been monitoring the board)? Thanks.

This is going to sound crazy but I think the Island put the people in places where they could do the most good.

I get Locke and Ben being with these new dangerous people because they have more on their side to get through the situation. Sun I believe is with them because of my question above. LaPedis I feel bad for because I think he is just along for the ride.

Kate, Jack, Sayid, and Hugo would do better in the past. I think there were to many loose threads with Sawyer, Jack and Kate to let them go dangling. I also think that with Sawyer in charge ATM they have a better chance of doing whatever it is they have to do.
Or whatever the island wants them to do.

Dell

04-09-2009, 07:05 AM

This is going to sound crazy but I think the Island put the people in places where they could do the most good.

I get Locke and Ben being with these new dangerous people because they have more on their side to get through the situation. Sun I believe is with them because of my question above. LaPedis I feel bad for because I think he is just along for the ride.

Kate, Jack, Sayid, and Hugo would do better in the past. I think there were to many loose threads with Sawyer, Jack and Kate to let them go dangling. I also think that with Sawyer in charge ATM they have a better chance of doing whatever it is they have to do.
Or whatever the island wants them to do.

I had been thinking Sun was unable to go back to the 70's because she has a child in the present... the connection with Charles and the other passengers makes more sense.

One other question... what happened to the time-travel scientist guy (I really need to start watching the show sober)?

hammersavage

04-09-2009, 07:42 AM

THAT was a holy shit moment. Didn't expect him to go out so early. So much for finding out what his backstory is!

But you know he's not done. I think we will still see how he plays into this, they wouldn't of have him talk otherwise.

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Truly awesome. It's my name and its on a boat. What an insider I feel like.

disneyspy

04-09-2009, 07:45 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3357/3426064564_2980c1fa8b_o.png

and then ben got hammered

dharma has to still be involved in another function. im going to call it the ann arbor group first some things we know
even tho the hippies got gassed in the 80s, dharma kept making food drops (the parachute)
the sub was dharma property and was still bein used when juliet came to the island
none of the dharmites wanted to report to ann arbor about sayid
the University of Michigan has a wolverine as their mascot
wheres the endless supply of money comin from?
theres a ton more but i think it would explain the bounty hunter chicks role on tryin to get ann arbor back into the picture w/o ben or widmore's involvment

Aggie

04-09-2009, 07:45 AM

But you know he's not done. I think we will still see how he plays into this, they wouldn't of have him talk otherwise.

Truly awesome. It's my name and its on a boat. What an insider I feel like.

That should be your new sig. I would do it but I just got a new 'puter and don't have Photoshop installed yet.

hammersavage

04-09-2009, 07:47 AM

and then ben got hammered

If that is code for getting your ass kicked, I don't want to be an adjective!

disneyspy

04-09-2009, 07:50 AM

If that is code for getting your ass kicked, I don't want to be an adjective!

i hammersavaged the team i bowled against last night,TWO 200 games and a 160 somethin,my 150 average is such a plus

Aggie

04-09-2009, 07:54 AM

i hammersavaged the team i bowled against last night,TWO 200 games and a 160 somethin,my 150 average is such a plus

Show off. I bet you're beating the women off with a stick.

disneyspy

04-09-2009, 07:57 AM

up here we call chicks aggies

Aggie

04-09-2009, 07:59 AM

up here we call chicks aggies

They have a lot to live up to.

JBLouisville

04-09-2009, 09:21 AM

I watched all of Lost from Series 1 to Episode 11 Series 5 in less than a week to catch up after all of the talk on 202 about the show. Greatest American show ever.

Everyone seems to think Frank Lapidus is along for the ride. Mark my words. FRANK IS JACOB!!!! Look at the quick glance we get of him in the cabin, and consider this.... He is a pilot, he guides people to and from destinations, and I believe we will find out that he was the Captain of the BlackRock. Just my two cents.

I believe the show will end with the everyone landing in LA right on schedule and life chugging along normally. And, that will stink.

Did you notice the song that was playing on the radio when young Hurley was fixing the car with cheech, is the same song in the Dharma van when he popped the clutch.

How exactly was Michael talking to Walt on the computer? And, was it Walt he was talking too?

I missed it, but how did Jin get the cuff around his wrist?

The very first time they watch the Orientation video in the Swan, doesn't at the very end in the credits mention something about Widmore productions, or some sort.

What was the station the tailies were staying in? And you remember they found a glass eye? Could that be the eye for the Russian Flame station dude. How did he lose his eye anyway?

If you watch the Missing Pieces videos on the abc.com website, you see that it was Jack's Daddy that sent Vincent the doggy to wake up Jack in the first episode. You also see Sun and Michael almost kiss and some other goodies.

Desmond and Penny will take a boat and get to the island before the end of the season.

Ben is not a bad guy, he was directed by Charles to gas the DI. Remember Dead Horace on the bench and he say's he was sorry.

The water in the Smokey Toilet swirled clockwise, I believe that proves they are in the Northern Hemisphere.

The death that affected me the most was Russo. That sucked.

I read this entire thread from page one till now. KC has got alot of this stuff figured out. Nice job.

CountryBob

04-09-2009, 09:24 AM

Thanks for bringing up all sorts of questions from seasons ago - I have watched each episode as they occur - now I have to go back and see them again.

The pilot is not Jacob - he wouldnt leave the island.

JBLouisville

04-09-2009, 09:27 AM

I believe to protect the island he indeed would leave the island.

The Other guy, Richard, Mascara eye dude, has left the island and so has Ethan.

But, Im stuck on Frank being much more that what we think he is.

ChrisTheCop

04-09-2009, 09:36 AM

In other BKV eps, there has been R&F 'shoutouts'

Razzle Dazzle, most notably, and a big cowbell...but I didnt notice one last night.

Did I miss? Or has he forgotten about us? sniff sniff. (Maybe he's a Ricky fan.)

Drunky McBetidont

04-09-2009, 09:44 AM

kinda cool how the dead haunt the island. definately egyptian history to island. very cool epi this week.
good to see that penny and des made it out of that ok.

IamFogHat

04-09-2009, 09:46 AM

I loved it, I thought it was really strong. Also Alex is hot.

disneyspy

04-09-2009, 09:55 AM

i was so glad to see that the people that said ben killed penny were wrong and it seemed like ben is loosin his good manipulation skills

hammersavage

04-09-2009, 11:02 AM

I watched all of Lost from Series 1 to Episode 11 Series 5 in less than a week to catch up after all of the talk on 202 about the show. Greatest American show ever.

Never disrespect the Wire like that again please.

drusilla

04-09-2009, 11:30 AM

Also Alex is hot.

for some reason i can't see her as anything but the weird girl from malcolm in the middle

CHUCKWAGONCOOK

04-09-2009, 11:57 AM

I'll tell you straight up What lies beneath the foot of the statue.... The fucking atomic Bomb lies beneath the foot of the statue.

And that's how this whole fucking thing is going to end.

It's a damn shame.

Doctor Manhattan

04-09-2009, 12:28 PM

Questions about "The Monster":

Has anyone outside of the 1980's French science team called in a security system? Danielle called it that in Season 1 but she just heard Robert call it that in Season 5.

We first heard "The Monster" in the pilot episode and it sounded like he was attacking someone/something. Will we ever see what the Monster was doing that night? I do not think we have seen it go into "battle mode" for no reason or at least without someone around to be scared of it.

hydee

04-09-2009, 01:04 PM

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 01:25 PM

Michael wasn't talking to Walt, I think he was talking to Patchy who worked with Ben, you did notice that Patchy had a computer too right?

i think the producers have said it WAS walt

SP1!

04-09-2009, 01:51 PM

i think the producers have said it WAS walt

Wasnt that when walt was captured by ben? You remember they have cameras every where and they were probably watching him sit in front of the computer and let walt type to him.

How many more episodes are left for this season?

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 02:01 PM

Wasnt that when walt was captured by ben? You remember they have cameras every where and they were probably watching him sit in front of the computer and let walt type to him.

How many more episodes are left for this season?

5

SP1!

04-09-2009, 02:16 PM

5

Cool so most likely either all the 70s people will get back or all the present people are going to get to the 70s.

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 02:17 PM

Cool so most likely either all the 70s people will get back or all the present people are going to get to the 70s.

also at one point someone will go back to 50's and the ancient times of the statue so we can see more of those backstories

Furtherman

04-09-2009, 02:21 PM

How about this for why Frank is there: At some point during the series finale, the wheel is turned and they all end up about to board Oceanic Flight 118 again, but this time Frank is the pilot and he prevents them from crashing on the island, so they all go back to their normal lives.

Ok, far fetched, but I think his piloting skills are involved somehow. Or maybe he's done his duty and now he really is just along for the ride.

K.C.

04-09-2009, 02:25 PM

Everyone seems to think Frank Lapidus is along for the ride. Mark my words. FRANK IS JACOB!!!! Look at the quick glance we get of him in the cabin, and consider this.... He is a pilot, he guides people to and from destinations, and I believe we will find out that he was the Captain of the BlackRock. Just my two cents.

Interesting theory, and one I haven't really heard. But I really don't believe Jacob is a version of any existing character on the show. And it doesn't really make sense to for Frank to be drinking like crazy in the Bahamas and watching the fake 815 crash on a rabbit ear TV, if he's Jacob (which he was doing before the crash).

I believe the show will end with the everyone landing in LA right on schedule and life chugging along normally. And, that will stink.

I at one time thought this. Not sure I still think it.

Did you notice the song that was playing on the radio when young Hurley was fixing the car with cheech, is the same song in the Dharma van when he popped the clutch.

Yes, and you hear Shambala when Ben and Roger are driving out to the point right before Ben kills him. Roger was the one originally listening to it because it was his van.

How exactly was Michael talking to Walt on the computer? And, was it Walt he was talking too?

It was likely Ben or possibly Mikhail (since he ran the communications station). Definitely not Walt.

I missed it, but how did Jin get the cuff around his wrist?

Jack cut it off in the hatch...very anti-climatic considering he wore it for a season in a half.

The very first time they watch the Orientation video in the Swan, doesn't at the very end in the credits mention something about Widmore productions, or some sort.

I don't remember if it says anything about Widmore. I know it says the Hanso Foundation made it. Coincidentally, Widmore was bidding on one of the Hanso's family journals in The Constant episode. And the Hansos are tied to the captain of the Black Rock. So it's all intertwined.

But if you're looking for a Widmore/DHARMA connection, Widmore Labs made Sun's pregnancy test from Season 2.

What was the station the tailies were staying in? And you remember they found a glass eye? Could that be the eye for the Russian Flame station dude. How did he lose his eye anyway?

The Arrow. That's the defense station from this season.

Desmond and Penny will take a boat and get to the island before the end of the season.

What for, though? They have no motive at this point.

instrument

04-09-2009, 02:32 PM

Well the final ep is called the incident, sooooooooooo

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 02:34 PM

Jack cut it off in the hatch...very anti-climatic considering he wore it for a season in a half.

locke cut it off

It was likely Ben or possibly Mikhail (since he ran the communications station). Definitely not Walt.

In the special feature Access: Granted on the Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD) Blu-ray edition, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that it was indeed Walt who communicated with Michael on the Swan computer.

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 02:40 PM

i think the purge was because dharma was doing too much prying into the islands secrets.

or that dharma was about to exploit the island, so the hostiles had to stop them

sometime after the purge ben convinces some of the others to return to the barracks

however, once back at the barracks, he begins continuing some of dharmas research, in secret

i dont think the others wanted ben to push the wheel, they wanted locke to do it

but because of his work with dharma, the others and his own secret research he felt he should be the one to do it

JBLouisville

04-09-2009, 05:16 PM

Jughead being in the base of the statue does makes some sense, because of all of the concrete that it would need to be buried into. I tend to go with the Swan theory somehow. Sayid mentioning Chernobyl underneath the Swan has got to be an indicator.

How was swan built without violating "The Truce"? It was far away from the compound, unless it was in DI territory.

Im going with what is in Illana's crate has to be something that would allow Widmore the ability to find the island. I think the base of the statue question was a "Snowman" code. Besides, Orchid is in the shadow of the statue, as Miles seen it from the well.

Im still bothered that Ben's folk left the DI registration cabin pretty much intact with signage and everything. Unless it was to serve as a memorial or museum to the Initiative. Wouldn't Preggers Doc have seen the photo, or Ben, after getting to know the passengers? Perhaps they did? That is a glaring oversite, it has to play out somehow.

Poor Caesar, mind your own damn buisiness. Now only if someone would of had a sawed off and blasted Jack on day one. Like to of seen Shotgunned Jackface.

The Incident would have to involve something we have seen so far, so that would be Jughead or The Swan somehow reuniting our losties. Once reunited, is Season 6 them working to get off the island for good in present time?

What are the INJECTIONS? Desmond was taking them and Claire was shooting them into Aaron remember? I wonder if the fact Aaron was dosed up on them is important?! Just a Placebo of some sort?

I will always love Ana Lucia for plugging Shannon, I did not like her. I liked Boone. Was Boone Gay? Shannon hinted at it several times.

The Air drop pallet for the losties occured at the same time Locke almost let the countdown go boom boom. Did that brief "flash" open up time and space just enough for a pallet to appear, a plane could not of flown over, dropped it, and no one hear it could it. The timing of the near meltdown has to have something to do with it.

SP1!

04-09-2009, 05:46 PM

Interesting theory, and one I haven't really heard. But I really don't believe Jacob is a version of any existing character on the show. And it doesn't really make sense to for Frank to be drinking like crazy in the Bahamas and watching the fake 815 crash on a rabbit ear TV, if he's Jacob (which he was doing before the crash).

Jacob has already been cast and revealed, dont look if you dont want to know: http://www.thetvremote.com/lost-may-have-found-jacob-in-dexters-mark-pellegrino/

K.C.

04-09-2009, 07:27 PM

Locke in FOUR clips (because he is the best character on the show)

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Tomorrow: Jin

ChrisTheCop

04-09-2009, 09:46 PM

It was likely Ben or possibly Mikhail (since he ran the communications station). Definitely not Walt.

In the special feature Access: Granted on the Lost: The Complete Third Season (DVD) Blu-ray edition, Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse said that it was indeed Walt who communicated with Michael on the Swan computer.

I always assumed it was Walt. I even went as far as to assume he was doing it with his mind. He was a very special boy.

What for, though? They have no motive at this point.

Attempted murder of one's family tends to be a great motivator, bruthah.

Desmond knows where to find the woman that can help him find the island, where Ben is, and since he must return the way he first got there, it'll be by boat. There he will exact his revenge.

TooLowBrow

04-09-2009, 09:49 PM

JBLouisville

04-10-2009, 03:29 AM

Desmond comes to the island seeking whatever. Perhaps that is how our friends will ultimately leave the island, for good? Sail right on outta there.

K.C.

04-10-2009, 05:19 AM

Attempted murder of one's family tends to be a great motivator, bruthah.

Desmond knows where to find the woman that can help him find the island, where Ben is, and since he must return the way he first got there, it'll be by boat. There he will exact his revenge.

Ehhhh...if Desmond wanted to kill Ben, he could have done it when he pummeled him on the docks and threw him in the water.

Ben going back is all the reason for him to NOT care. If Ben's on the island, he's not going to get to Desmond again.

Now...I could see something where, pissed off by the fact that someone nearly killed Penny for something Charles did (Ben did reveal he was there because he blamed Charles for killing Alex), Penny and Desmond go and confront Charles, and Charles tricks Desmond into going back to protect her and his family.

hydee

04-10-2009, 06:23 AM

Desmond comes to the island seeking whatever. Perhaps that is how our friends will ultimately leave the island, for good? Sail right on outta there.

I love your ICON.

I am waving at fat :) Donna took a very long time to grow on me, but I loved her at the end.

K.C.

04-10-2009, 06:29 AM

ChrisTheCop

04-10-2009, 07:21 AM

I dunno about greatest. Shannon getting shot comes to mind. I know we all didnt like her, but you gotta admit, it was a shock, and it helped with at least 2 storylines; Sayid and Ana Lucia, and brought the season 2 merge to pass. Also, that was back when if we saw someone die, they were dead.

And if you just mean the death of someone who deserved it; Charlie killing Ethan was pretty good, and it solidified the Claire/Charlie bond.

IamFogHat

04-10-2009, 07:25 AM

Hello? Nikki and Paulo?

disneyspy

04-10-2009, 07:28 AM

you just wanted to post that video,didnt ya? i like KCs clips but that wasnt even in the top 10 of deaths,echo and smoke monster is my number 1

SP1!

04-10-2009, 07:28 AM

You know...it's been two days. How are we not still talking about the greatest death scene in the history of Lost???

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Is he really dead though? We havent seen the results yet and nobody mentioned it when laipedus went back to the other island, if it was just buckshot he could still be alive and Im still curious to see what was in that satchel he has been guarding with his life. Caesar always seemed shady to me, like he had another reason for being there.

ChrisTheCop

04-10-2009, 07:32 AM

Hello? Nikki and Paulo?

I liked that episode. Alot. And their deaths were indeed fantastic, and creepy.

But when I think greatest, I like to take the storyline into account.

Even Ana Lucia and Libby's deaths were more important.
and Eko's experience with his smoke monster bro, mirrored by Ben and Alex this week.

It may turn out that Ceasar was the leader of the mercs and had vital information that the other mercs dont have (such as the identity of their contact on the island), and his death (if thats what it is) may end up important, but as it stands now, I'd say nah.

disneyspy

04-10-2009, 07:34 AM

charlie finally bitin the dust and boone goin thru all that pain...

JBLouisville

04-10-2009, 07:35 AM

KC, I love your video highlights! and insight.

Hydee, Doctor Who is the greatest Television show ever. But, Lost is certainly the greatest American show ever. Someone a page or two back said "The Wire" was. I have not seen the show, and am not interested in the genre. But, Six Feet Under is gotta be better than that.

What makes Lost the "best ever" is the viewing numbers and the ability to research and learn much more about the "mythology" of the show.

It is confirmed, the history of the Island is steeped in Egyptian culture. Noted by the glyphs and symbols in the judgment chamber. Is it any coincidence that the exit to the island is in Tunisia, so very close to Egypt. Remember Hurley painting the Sphinx?

What was great and shocking about Caesar's death is that we all speculated and knew that he was important. He rummaged thru the desk and found files and such. When Ben found the picture of him and his daughter, Caesar had to of seen that picture. But, Blamo!, he is gone. A truly quick and shocking death. Libby's was shocking as well.

IamFogHat

04-10-2009, 07:36 AM

I liked that episode. Alot. And their deaths were indeed fantastic, and creepy.

But when I think greatest, I like to take the storyline into account.

Even Ana Lucia and Libby's deaths were more important.
and Eko's experience with his smoke monster bro, mirrored by Ben and Alex this week.

That's true, and of course the shock value of Ana Lucia and Libby made their deaths amazing.

charlie finally bitin the dust and boone goin thru all that pain...

I'm kind of partial to those two deaths to be honest, even though I wasn't a big Charlie fan until an episode or two before he died.

disneyspy

04-10-2009, 07:38 AM

that episode of bens daughter bein shot and then the smoke monster wipin out the mercenaries is a top 10er

SP1!

04-10-2009, 07:49 AM

It may turn out that Ceasar was the leader of the mercs and had vital information that the other mercs dont have (such as the identity of their contact on the island), and his death (if thats what it is) may end up important, but as it stands now, I'd say nah.
I didnt even think that he could be the mercs leader but thats good, he did exchange head nods with that other chick who is completely unbelievable as a merc, hell did you see how she held her weapon? Its was pathetic.

K.C.

04-10-2009, 08:42 AM

you just wanted to post that video,didnt ya? i like KCs clips but that wasnt even in the top 10 of deaths,echo and smoke monster is my number 1

"This GENTLEMAN and I are taking a BOAT.....does anyone ELSE have a problem with THAT???"

The only thing that would have made it better was if Ben had said, "Are you looking for this, MY FRIEND? (extra emphasis on the 'friend')" right before he shot him.

The whole turn of events was great. Ben befriends Caesar, turns Caesar against Locke, gets him to show him his gun and makes him paranoid about Locke being dangerous, then ropes Caesar in to thinking Locke is kidnapping him, gets Caesar to want to kill Locke, and then shoots Caesar to win back Locke's trust, by extinguishing the threat he created.

Thus is Ben...such a fantastic sequence.

K.C.

04-10-2009, 08:47 AM

Is he really dead though? We havent seen the results yet and nobody mentioned it when laipedus went back to the other island, if it was just buckshot he could still be alive and Im still curious to see what was in that satchel he has been guarding with his life. Caesar always seemed shady to me, like he had another reason for being there.

I have to believe he's dead. But then again, I thought Jin was dead. If he can survive being in the center of a massive C-4 explosion, then it's not too large a leap to believe Caesar survives a shotgun blast to the chest at point blank range.

This show has basically gone nuts with this whole 'you can only die when the island lets you' idea.

hydee

04-10-2009, 08:52 AM

"This GENTLEMAN and I are taking a BOAT.....does anyone ELSE have a problem with THAT???"

The only thing that would have made it better was if Ben had said, "Are you looking for this, MY FRIEND? (extra emphasis on the 'friend')" right before he shot him.

The whole turn of events was great. Ben befriends Caesar, turns Caesar against Locke, gets him to show him his gun and makes him paranoid about Locke being dangerous, then ropes Caesar in to thinking Locke is kidnapping him, gets Caesar to want to kill Locke, and then shoots Caesar to win back Locke's trust, by extinguishing the threat he created.

Thus is Ben...such a fantastic sequence.

The writing and creation of Ben has been fantastic, from the very moment you find out he isn't Henry Gale you just know that the character will impact the show in a great, crazy, intriguing way.

I look for characters like Ben in shows all the time but they are few and far between. The only ones I think come close to the impact that Ben has had are: Adama, Starbuck, Al Swearengen, and in a lot of ways Locke has become just as strong over this season.

Locke's growth through death this season is chilling to me. I love the calm he seems to be carrying with him these days. I also think whoever picked that suit for him did a great job. It makes him look bigger and more like a leader or something. It also goes great with his eyes. ( sorry I am a girl ).

I know everyone has a hard on for "The Wire" but that show lost me at the end of the first season.