Barack Obama is our 44th President of the United States

[keithy_19]

If I'm completely misunderstanding something about the Gitmo cases, let me know. I haven't done much research on it.

[underdog]

It's hard for me to believe, however, that the men who are charged with being part of the September 11 attacks are being held without cause.

:ohmy:

[epo]

Smart...lets release teroorists back into the world.

Great start. Way to go.

Thanks for the laugh. I haven't heard such terrible and flawed Rovian talking points in weeks.

[AKA]

Well, now my degree of separation from Obama just go smaller.

Yesterday, the Chief Legal Officer for my company announced he was leaving to become chief of staff for one of the cabinet members.

Mine is pretty close too - one of the faculty at the school I work at went to Yale with Michelle (and was friends with her and her brother) - and my former boss, who retired last summer after a medical issue, use to work with/for Biden on The Hill in the Foreign Services committee.

Any day, now...!

[TheMojoPin]

It's hard for me to believe, however, that the men who are charged with being part of the September 11 attacks are being held without cause.

Most of the people held there had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.

Besides, it's not like by shutting down the facility there that everyone will just be let go. The cases will be reviewed and those with merit and actual evidence will result in the right prisoners actually being charged and held legally.

[TooLowBrow]

Since October 7, 2001, when the current war in Afghanistan began, 775 detainees have been brought to Guantánamo. Of these, approximately 420 have been released without charge. As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain. More than a fifth are cleared for release but must nevertheless remain indefinitely because countries are reluctant to accept them.
how hard can it be to review 200 cases?

[brettmojo]

Oh this is hilarious! (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28780417/)

Chief Justice John Roberts administered the presidential oath of office to Barack Obama for a second time Wednesday just to be on the safe side.

The unusual step came after Roberts flubbed the 35-word constitutionally prescribed oath a bit on Tuesday, causing Obama to repeat the wording differently than as prescribed in the Constitution.

White House counsel Greg Craig said Obama took the oath from Roberts again out of an "abundance of caution."
Wow. There's something that was lacking in the former administration.

[Coach]

Isn't he technically the 43rd president? since Cleveland served two non Consecutive terms?
Off to wiki

[MacVittie]

Isn't he technically the 43rd president? since Cleveland served two non Consecutive terms?
Off to wiki

Yes, he's the 43rd person to serve as president. It would just seem strange to say Grover Cleveland was elected the 22nd president, Benjamin Harrison was election the 23rd president, and then Grover Cleveland was elected 22nd president... again.


If you asked me Cleveland screwed everything up.

[Syd]

technicalities of what number he is, obama just made a pretty big fuck you to bush:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/ExecutiveOrderPresidentialRecords/

[TooLowBrow]

i wanted to see lynn cheney pics from the inauguration. so i googled 'lynn cheney inauguration' i got this...

www.whitehouse.gov/mrscheney/photoessays/inauguration/02.html

makes sense

until the site shunted me off to...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/jill_biden/ (www.whitehouse.gov/mrscheney/photoessays/inauguration/02.html)

so can anyone help me?
are these pictures gone for good?
is the white houses web site really so limited?

[high fly]

I most certainly am. I'm for a fair trial of the prisoners. I'm against torture. I'm against being held without cause.

It's hard for me to believe, however, that the men who are charged with being part of the September 11 attacks are being held without cause.



There have been a number of cases where they held prisoners there for years even after they determined they were not guilty of anything.
They are still holding a group of Chinese, generally referred to as the Uigers, even though they know they were only trying to fight commies and not us.

Right now there are about 250 or so prisoners at Guantanamo.
The most there at any one time was about 650, and they have let quite a few go already.
So to date they have already let over 400, probably closer to 500 prisoners go.

The only ones I know of who have been connected to the 9/11 plot are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh and Mohammed al-Qahtani.


Contrary to right-wing talking points, the Geneva Conventions, I believe the third one, says anyone your military picks up during war who is not in uniform, carrying weapons openly, etc. is covered. Those people have to have their detention adjudicated by an independent authority before you can lock them up.



I kinda like the idea of us deciding to be a law-abiding nation again...

[A.J.]

The only ones I know of who have been connected to the 9/11 plot are Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Ramzi Binalshibh and Mohammed al-Qahtani.

I'm all for moving them from Gitmo to Riker's Island. Things should take care of themselves shortly thereafter.

[Syd]

Contrary to right-wing talking points, the Geneva Conventions, I believe the third one, says anyone your military picks up during war who is not in uniform, carrying weapons openly, etc. is covered. Those people have to have their detention adjudicated by an independent authority before you can lock them up.



I kinda like the idea of us deciding to be a law-abiding nation again...

more importantly unless you're a xenophobe who is scared of their own shadow you should understand that the 14th amendment applies to virtually anyone in US custody or care

[booster11373]

more importantly unless you're a xenophobe who is scared of their own shadow you should understand that the 14th amendment applies to virtually anyone in US custody or care

A Lot of people like to use the justification that the Constitutions only applies to US citizens in their defence of the Bush admins treatment of "enemy combatents" (long term detention with out trial or representation and the use of torture)

I don't agree with that justification

and even so it would apply to US citizens who would be doing the torture and they would have the responsibility to refuse an order that violates their oath to defend and uphold the constitution

[TheMojoPin]

Oh, Lordy. 4 years of Biden is going to be...something:

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I think you can actually see Obama clench and want someone to tackle Joe away from the podium.

[HBox]

Oh, Lordy. 4 years of Biden is going to be...something:

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I think you can actually see Obama clench and want someone to tackle Joe away from the podium.

He's punching a first class ticket to "undisclosed location"

[underdog]

He's punching a first class ticket to "undisclosed location"

I thought it was a pretty funny, ballbusting line.

[west milly Tom]

This thread has officially grossed me out. Eww. I especially love the supposition that the men being held responsible for 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with it. Good one David Cross.

[TheMojoPin]

I especially love the supposition that the men being held responsible for 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with it.

Nobody said anything of the sort. Good job, SP1!.

[underdog]

This thread has officially grossed me out. Eww. I especially love the supposition that the men being held responsible for 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with it. Good one David Cross.

Wow. Nice one, Rob Deer.

[booster11373]

This thread has officially grossed me out. Eww. I especially love the supposition that the men being held responsible for 9/11 had absolutely nothing to do with it. Good one David Cross.

if that was the case why not try them for it instead of holding them in some quasi-legal black hole with no long term plan of what do with them

[underdog]

if that was the case why not try them for it instead of holding them in some quasi-legal black hole with no long term plan of what do with them

They hate our freedom.

[high fly]

if that was the case why not try them for it instead of holding them in some quasi-legal black hole with no long term plan of what do with them


We still have people around who think it is ok to disobey the law.

[underdog]

if that was the case why not try them for it instead of holding them in some quasi-legal black hole with no long term plan of what do with them

We still have people around who think it is ok to disobey the law.

Your response has absolutely nothing to do with the comment you responded to.

[A.J.]

Oh, Lordy. 4 years of Biden is going to be...something:

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I think you can actually see Obama clench and want someone to tackle Joe away from the podium.

How soon before he's sent off on his first "fact-finding tour"?

[King Imp]

Who knew that Michelle Obama was such a kinky sista?

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[keithy_19]

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/23/mideast/detainee.1-414168.php

Not that this has anything to do with President Obama, but the timing is pretty interesting.

[HBox]

Obama to GOP: I won. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html)

President Obama listened to Republican gripes about his stimulus package during a meeting with congressional leaders Friday morning - but he also left no doubt about who's in charge of these negotiations. "I won," Obama noted matter-of-factly, according to sources familiar with the conversation.

Awesome.

[Syd]

"You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done," he told top GOP leaders, whom he had invited to the White House to discuss his nearly $1 trillion stimulus package.

[high fly]

His slap-down of Pelosi was also nice to hear, where he said he hoped his first veto would not be of legislation proposed by his own party.
I'm-a digging this Obama fella more and more...

[Gvac]

His slap-down of Pelosi was also nice to hear

Amen. I can't stand that animal.

If only he'd do the same to his emasculating wife.

[TheMojoPin]

If only he'd do the same to his emasculating wife.

What?

[Gvac]

What?

She is a shrew who loves belittling him every chance she gets.

[TheMojoPin]

She is a shrew who loves belittling him every chance she gets.

Huh?

[Gvac]

Huh?

I'm sorry. You're right. Blind allegiance to the Obama clan!

They're our king and queen!

[TheMojoPin]

I'm sorry. You're right. Blind allegiance to the Obama clan!

They're our king and queen!

Hahahah! Yes, being surprised by random criticisms of the man's wife with zero to back it up is "blind allegiance."

Why is she a "shrew?" How is she "belittling" him? If this is the case, it should be easy to explain.

[Gvac]

Hahahah! Yes, being surprised by random criticisms of the man's wife with zero to back it up is "blind allegiance."

Why is she a "shrew?" How is she "belittling" him? If this is the case, i should be easy to explain.

You're impossible to explain and you know it!

[SonOfSmeagol]

Emasculating? Shrew? Belittling? After HRC and San Fran Nan, I thought all powerful Democrat wives were that way, generally speaking.

:popcorn:

[TheMojoPin]

You're impossible to explain and you know it!

You evading sonufagun.

[high fly]

She is a shrew who loves belittling him every chance she gets.


Well, let's see, there was the time that she, uhhhh, uhhhhhh.......

....and then there was the other time, uh, when she, er, umm.....

.... and who could ever forget when she, ahh, er ehhh.....









He's got a nice jump shot!

[epo]

She is a shrew who loves belittling him every chance she gets.

It's obvious now which party Gvac is a member of!

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/07/08-15/he-man-woman-haters.jpg

[high fly]

You think he likes hommina grits?

[Gvac]

It's obvious now which party Gvac is a member of!

http://www.babble.com/CS/blogs/strollerderby/2008/07/08-15/he-man-woman-haters.jpg

It's obvious NOW?

Where have you been for the past few years?

I've said it a thousand times already - the greatest thing Fez ever taught me was that women are stupid and ugly.

[keithy_19]

His slap-down of Pelosi was also nice to hear, where he said he hoped his first veto would not be of legislation proposed by his own party.
I'm-a digging this Obama fella more and more...

I like this as well.

[A.J.]

Obama to GOP: I won. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0109/17862.html)

Awesome.

I remember Bush saying "I have political capital now and I intend to use it" after he got re-elected in 2004. How did THAT turn out?

Obama had better be careful with the hubris.

[Jujubees2]

I remember Bush saying "I have political capital now and I intend to use it" after he got re-elected in 2004. How did THAT turn out?

Obama had better be careful with the hubris.

Difference is that Bush barely won the 2004 election. Obama won by a much larger margin.

[A.J.]

Difference is that Bush barely won the 2004 election. Obama won by a much larger margin.

Right but my point was more that people hated Bush for his swagger and arrogance. Obama should be mindful to avoid coming across the same way.

[Syd]

no people hated bush because he ruined the american empire in less than a decade

[foodcourtdruide]

Right but my point was more that people hated Bush for his swagger and arrogance. Obama should be mindful to avoid coming across the same way.

I think a large portion of people actually LIKED Bush for his swagger and arrogance.

[HBox]

I remember Bush saying "I have political capital now and I intend to use it" after he got re-elected in 2004. How did THAT turn out?

Obama had better be careful with the hubris.

There's a few differences. First of all Bush said what he said in public without ever talking to Democrats about anything. Obama said it privately in one of many meetings he has had with Republicans in which he showed openness to some of their ideas.

Secondly, Obama is following through on one of his campaign centerpieces while Bush tried to turn a close win in an election defined by "Who will protect you: The texas Cowby or the effete Frenchman" into a mandate to completely remake Social Security. If I Obama said "I won, now I get to completely scrap missile defense no matter who says what" then it's a valid comparison; trying to turn an election win into a mandate to change something that wasn't mentioned at all in the campaign in the face of fierce resistance.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Obama Stimulus package turns the 7500 tax "credit" for first time home buyers (in reality, a no-interest loan for 15 years) into a true tax credit.

To that, I say: YES PLEASE!

Then I'll buy Hbox dinner.

[SonOfSmeagol]

There's a few differences. First of all Bush said what he said in public without ever talking to Democrats about anything. Obama said it privately in one of many meetings he has had with Republicans in which he showed openness to some of their ideas.

Secondly, Obama is following through on one of his campaign centerpieces while Bush tried to turn a close win in an election defined by "Who will protect you: The texas Cowby or the effete Frenchman" into a mandate to completely remake Social Security. If I Obama said "I won, now I get to completely scrap missile defense no matter who says what" then it's a valid comparison; trying to turn an election win into a mandate to change something that wasn't mentioned at all in the campaign in the face of fierce resistance.

Actually, he's had exactly one meeting with Republicans. But to be fair he'll probably have to woo them pretty heavily over the next week as he seeks a mandate for the stimulus plan that infuses 2/3 of the planned spending into the economy over the next 1 1/2 years - far short of his promised timetable and a plan full of wish list spending crap quite frankly.

[cougarjake13]

The Obama Stimulus package turns the 7500 tax "credit" for first time home buyers (in reality, a no-interest loan for 15 years) into a true tax credit.

To that, I say: YES PLEASE!

Then I'll buy Hbox dinner.

so instead of a loan you can deduct the 7500 from your wages when you file ???