Barack Obama is our 44th President of the United States

[~Katja~]

:clap:

Earl Douglas will be staying in the US

[cougarjake13]

whats the over/under on assassination ??

[Fallon]

Woooooooooooooooooo!!!

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[johnniehardrock]

Earl Is The Man Now

[booster11373]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[mikeyboy]

I guess it's good JerseySean didn't take the bet.

[jauble]

"Duuuuuuuuuuuuude I totally saw this coming, he ran a good campaign"

-Bob Kelly

[IamPixie]

What an amazing night. :clap::clap:

[DarkHippie]

I can honestly say that this is one of the happiest moments of my adult life.

[JerseySean]

:clap:

Earl Douglas will be staying in the US

I may have to leave though or relocate back to Louisiana

[Flea_Man]

Congrats Obama!

[Whiskeyportal]

enjoy watching your jobs being outsourced to third world countries as obama drives taxes through the roof for your employers and the 7% which pay 80% of the taxes of this nation. Socialist america here you go.:flush:

[Flea_Man]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTDH4

[mikeyboy]

Congrats Obama!

Luckily he reads here.

[chubbyknuckles]

More importantly this night will forever be connected with Ron and Fez!

[~Katja~]

I may have to leave though or relocate back to Louisiana

possibly a first step to positive change under Obama :bye:

[TheGameHHH]

This is truly a historic night in American History and I'm proud to say I was a part of it.

[Sarge]

Congratulations Earl.

[Fallon]

Luckily he reads here.

Then he better plug Ron and Fez noon to three in his acceptance speech

[mikeyboy]

Then he better plug Ron and Fez noon to three in his acceptance speech

Wait for it...

[foodcourtdruide]

I'm happy JerseySean didn't take the bet. Loser leave town on a messageboard is pathetic.

[Friday]

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/08/27/us/28demsday-600.jpg

[JerseyRich]

My dream of a President with facial hair has been crushed.

I'm inconsolable.

http://www.rtfaces.com/faces/pout.jpg

[JerseySean]

To all of you who are actually happy about this. Congrats!:unsure:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



more like

John McCan't

and

Sarah Failin

[JerseySean]

McCain is giving a classy speech

[RoseBlood]

My dream of a President with facial hair has been crushed.

I'm inconsolable.



I'm indescribbable. :drunk:

To all of you who are actually happy about this. Congrats!:unsure:

Thank you :tongue:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

I want to drink a shot of stuck up republican girl tears

[tele7]

McCain is giving a classy speech

Top notch

[Melrapuo]

McCain is giving a classy speech

And then some.

[RoseBlood]

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO



more like

John McCan't

and

Sarah Failin


Badda-Bump!

Que cricket noise :wink:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Badda-Bump!

Que cricket noise :wink:

I know its awful, a terrible joke, i hope this add salt to the wounds of the Republicans here

[Flea_Man]

Haha, BYE BYE PALIN! Go back to Alaska, bitch.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Attention John McCain

<img src="http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l123/bigredonenedm/Faildozer.jpg"/>

[cougarjake13]

so can someone find me the post where jinxy jinxed mccain ??

[lleeder]

Luckily he reads here.

Don't worry Flea will post it on every board just keep things covered.

[~Katja~]

I like McCains speech though, very gracious.

[IamFogHat]

Very naice!:thumbup:
I don't like him politically, but socio-culturally this is literally the greatest election in our history. W00t!!!

[~Katja~]

Don't worry Flea will post it on every board just keep things covered.

make sure he doesn't forget the n*mania one

[HBox]

there are already crowds outside the White House! HA!

[jauble]

there are already crowds outside the White House! HA!

Those are called soup lines.

[underdog]

there are already crowds outside the White House! HA!

If they have rims, I owe JerseySean $10.

[grlNIN]

Those are called soup lines.

Ha ha.

Conspirators to murder.

Ugh, am i the only one who is just a little bit scared that the secret service might accidentally drop a something or look the other way?

[DarkHippie]

They sound so depressed on fox news

[epo]

I can't describe how happy I am.

[PhilDeez]

They sound so depressed on fox news

Did you actually watch, I thought anything but. Also they now have 4 years of material to get over on the hard cores that give them such great ratings - this was a win for Hannity and crew.

[scottinnj]

And a shining city on a hill

http://absimpson.com/America_America.jpg

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I guess it's good JerseySean didn't take the bet.

That was another catty moment- with Mikeyboyzzzzzzz

[scottinnj]

I can't describe how happy I am.

Just play U2's "In the name of love"-that about sums it up for me. I'm very emotional right now, and that's not me. I'm usually the Spock of logic.

[Biblebuster]

President Barack Obama, God loses again.

troubled souls unite, we got ourselves tonight..
i am fuel, you are friends, we got the means to make amends
i am lost, i'm no guide, but i'm by your side
i am right by your side...

"Leash" Pearl Jam:drunk:

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Haha, BYE BYE PALIN! Go back to Alaska, bitch.

Even when you're on our side, we still want to crush you Y?!

[scottinnj]

They sound so depressed on fox news

Then you missed Juan Williams' statement right after they called the election for Barack.

Very inspirational.

[scottinnj]

there are already crowds outside the White House! HA!

With torches and pitchforks?

*high hat*

I'm here all week folks!

[Whiskeyportal]

BOOM?!?!?! please jubesus, end this before he ends all

[cougarjake13]

im tapping out goodnight all

[underdog]

BOOM?!?!?! please jubesus, end this before he ends all

Where are you posting from?

Ahhhhhhhhh.

[scottinnj]

Oh my god.
What he just announced to the world, well-
I'm choked up.

[Whiskeyportal]

I'm posting from inside your mother box. i may be in Texas working for the moment, I'm born in Montana, raised in Brooklyn, attended college in Montana and I'm also a disabled veteran. So, what bullshit do you have to spread about that?

[IamPixie]

I'm posting from inside your mother box. i may be in Texas working for the moment, I'm born in Montana, raised in Brooklyn, attended college in Montana and I'm also a disabled veteran. So, what bullshit do you have to spread about that?

you should come out and listen to what our new president has to say. He's talking to all of us.

[HBox]

With torches and pitchforks?

*high hat*

I'm here all week folks!

You may think that's a joke but its exactly what it looked like.

[underdog]

I'm posting from inside your mother box. i may be in Texas working for the moment, I'm born in Montana, raised in Brooklyn, attended college in Montana and I'm also a disabled veteran. So, what bullshit do you have to spread about that?

A mom joke. Awesome. You'll love Reagan. He'll be a great president.

[TheMojoPin]

This is pretty amazing.

I'm happy I get to see this happen.

This country is pretty damn awesome.

[Judge Smails]

"I'm going to Disney World!"

http://www.funnyphotos.net.au/images/faces-of-the-2008-presidential-campain-barack-obam1.jpg

[underdog]

This is pretty amazing.

I'm happy I get to see this happen.

This country is pretty damn awesome.

I felt the exact same way when I was in Chicago.

[keithy_19]

In the span of an hour I went from being dissapointed, to being ok, to being incredibly hopeful.

I think the music may have something to do with it.

[tele7]

Watching CNN...must admit I'm tearing up a little bit.

[Whiskeyportal]

you should come out and listen to what our new president has to say. He's talking to all of us.

i've been listening. i started on his side. he drove me away. he's not ready for the shit storm he's stirring with the middle east. he's going for blood with the oil companies, and pulling our troops out of the middle east all at the same time. it'll all exploded in his face, and he's outsourcing our oil jobs and making us even more dependent on foreign oil.

[keithy_19]

This country is pretty damn awesome.

qft
:sleep:

[underdog]

making us even more dependent on foreign oil.

In my 28 years, I've read some dumb things. But this could be the single dumbest thing I've ever read.

[TheGameHHH]

I don't cry......really, I don't.

Obama just put tears in my eyes for the past 15 minutes, I feel like there's hope for America again. I can't wait for this country to get back on track.

[Whiskeyportal]

A mom joke. Awesome. You'll love Reagan. He'll be a great president.

you sir, are an idiot. I'll see you in the unemployment line.

[Kevin]

i've been listening. i started on his side. he drove me away. he's not ready for the shit storm he's stirring with the middle east. he's going for blood with the oil companies, and pulling our troops out of the middle east all at the same time. it'll all exploded in his face, and he's outsourcing our oil jobs and making us even more dependent on foreign oil.

Location: Asshole Cassarole, Texas


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[underdog]

you sir, are an idiot. I'll see you in the unemployment line.

I don't live in Texas. I'm not sure if you're aware, but each state has their own unemployment offices. So, in order for us to see each other in the unemployment line, we'd have to at least live in the same state. Which we don't, silly.

[TheMojoPin]

I don't cry......really, I don't.

Obama just put tears in my eyes for the past 15 minutes, I feel like there's hope for America again. I can't wait for this country to get back on track.

Yeah, I was getting chills through alot of it and getting a little misty. Definitely the greatest speech by a politician I've ever seen in my lifetime.

[keithy_19]

I don't cry......really, I don't.

Obama just put tears in my eyes for the past 15 minutes, I feel like there's hope for America again. I can't wait for this country to get back on track.

qft #2

[underdog]

Where are you posting from?

Ahhhhhhhhh.

Location: Asshole Cassarole, Texas


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*awkward high five*

[TheMojoPin]

Guys, take it a little easy. Try and debate without going overboard.

[Whiskeyportal]

Location: Asshole Cassarole, Texas


OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ABSOLUTELY KEVIN, I''ve never stood by texas. texas blows. what the fuck does where i am at this moment in time have fuck all to do with shit? my location at the time of this post doesn't make obama any more competent.

[keithy_19]

Obama when he first came on the scene excited me. Then as time went on, I thought that he went away from his message of hope. In tonights speech I felt that he went back to that. I'm happy.

[TheGameHHH]

Yeah, I was getting chills through alot of it and getting a little misty. Definitely the greatest speech by a politician I've ever seen in my lifetime.

EVERYTHING about this night is historically significant on so many levels, it's amazing and i love that I was a part of it. And yes, truly an amazing speech.

[underdog]

ABSOLUTELY KEVIN, I''ve never stood by texas. texas blows. what the fuck does where i am at this moment in time have fuck all to do with shit? my location at the time of this post doesn't make obama any more competent.

I liked your icon better when angrymissy had it.

[Whiskeyportal]

I don't live in Texas. I'm not sure if you're aware, but each state has their own unemployment offices. So, in order for us to see each other in the unemployment line, we'd have to at least live in the same state. Which we don't, silly.

now you're just splitting hairs you goose.

[IamPixie]

you sir, are an idiot. I'll see you in the unemployment line.

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[TheMojoPin]

EVERYTHING about this night is historically significant on so many levels, it's amazing and i love that I was a part of it. And yes, truly an amazing speech.

Yeah, this really is an incredible event we're seeing happening in front of us. I'm almost kind of dazed seeing history being made and progress achieved on this level and so definitively all at once.

Really, this is amazing.

[keithy_19]

Since we're going through change, can I get a new mod quote?

[Whiskeyportal]

I liked your icon better when angrymissy had it.

what are you talking about? you could have at least kept it relevant.

[bobrobot]

Paint the White House Black!!! (click it 'n kick it) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl4lQ8tmdM)

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http://th01.deviantart.com/fs10/300W/i/2006/156/9/0/1Nation_Clinton_by_ratscape.jpg

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[King Hippos Bandaid]

nice a loud obnoxious republican poster


perfect practice for our co workers tomorrow

I am waiting for the excuse mill from the old republican hags at my office

[TheMojoPin]

My elation is kind of tempered by the realization we still have a couple more months of Bush shenanigans to slog through. Can we just fast forward to January?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm kinda surprised Mojopin is online tonight- I thought he'd be at that speech in person!

'course. I have no idea where he lives.
but I assumed it was in or around Chicago.

[keithy_19]

My elation is kind of tempered by the realization we still have a couple more months of Bush shenanigans to slog through. Can we just fast forward to January?

Bush has to find Bin Laden first. Silly Mojo. You should know these things.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm kinda surprised Mojopin is online tonight- I thought he'd be at that speech in person!

'course. I have no idea where he lives.
but I assumed it was in or around Chicago.

Yeah, I was working until 10 tonight and took the L to try and get to Grant Park but no dice...I had to just turn right around and headed home so I could catch the speech.

[TheMojoPin]

Not only is he our first black president, but he's the first black president of ANY industrial nation.

Wow.

[King Imp]

Man, Bush really fucked his party with how badly the Republicans had their asses handed to them tonight. Unless Obama is a complete lame duck, I can't see them regaining control for at least 8 years.

Very happy to see the outcome, but very disgusted at FOX news. Yeah, I know they are all Republican, all the time, but after Obama was declared the winner, I was flipping around channels when the only good one (CBS) was on commercial. FOX had some bitter asshole telling us how Obama was against white people back in college. Seriously, is that really fucking necessary all the time? Let the guy have his time in the spotlight without constantly having to attack him. FOX is a fucking joke and if not for 24, I would never watch that shithole channel.

[donnie_darko]

I can't wait till the voting machine hoopla starts up, I can say that at the precinct i worked we had a few votes where no one was selected for president/vp.

i can't understand why whoever programmed those ivotronics don't have them setup so that a straight party line vote would simply select the presidential nominee as well.

[TheMojoPin]

The footage from Washington DC is incredible. Pennsylvania Ave. is totally packed with people just wanting to be out and celebrating with others.

[A.J.]

We elected Obama? That's it -- I'm leaving the country!

Well, until December.

I don't agree with Obama politically. However, as I mentioned before, I AM proud to see America move past the bullshit racism of the past and elect a minority to the highest office in the land only 45 years after Dr. King's "I have a dream speech". I'm also glad to see the "passing of the torch to a new generation" as it were.

[TheMojoPin]

I know it's been touched on, but in all my studies of US history, especially in the 20th century, what Obama inspires in people really only seems comparable to RFK in 1968. It's always saddened me to think about what could have been with Robert Kennedy, and I'd like to think in certain ways this can be a 2nd chance for what he stirred.

[paracetamol flanders]

I was watching some pundit punditing with the election map behind him, and all I could do is stare at those red states and think: RACISTS. Which is odd because the graphic was just a representation of people making an alternate choice, not necessarily motivated by racial issues. But those red states just seemed to glow with hatred on that map. Just a weird mental tick I enjoyed this evening.

[PapaBear]

only seems comparable to RFK in 1968. It's always saddened me to think about what could have been with Robert Kennedy, and I'd like to think in certain ways this can be a 2nd chance for what he stirred.
Damn. You just killed part of my joy buzz. But I agree with you totally.

[Recyclerz]

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I guess the real hard work starts now. But I am very happy tonight. Happy that my country will soon have leadership at the top that is worthy of the responsibility. Happy that the Constitution will no longer be used as an asswipe. Happy that we'll have a government that doesn't view human rights as an impediment to the sloppy shortcuts it wants to take in a blindly ideological foreign policy that disregards reality. Happy that we will have the chance to resume world leadership that respects our allies and partners and that we will get respect in return while being an even more effective enemy to our enemies. Happy that we can start to fix the problems that have been created or exacerbated during the past 8 years. Most happy that we will have political leadership that will stop treating the American public as rats or crabs in a cage to be kept fighting each other and will try to find common ground where we can work together on problems that affect us all equally.

John McCain gave a very classy and gracious speech tonight, while parts of his crowd were just assholes. I'm sure Sen. McCain will play a leading role in getting bipartisan agreement on many of the problems that we face.

The bottle is empty and I need to get some sleep so that I can wake in a new morning where the air will be a little sweeter and the sun will be a little brighter.

It was a good day. :smile:

[A.J.]

I know it's been touched on, but in all my studies of US history, especially in the 20th century, what Obama inspires in people really only seems comparable to RFK in 1968. It's always saddened me to think about what could have been with Robert Kennedy, and I'd like to think in certain ways this can be a 2nd chance for what he stirred.

It always saddens me to think what could have been with Nixon....if he hadn't been such a Machiavellian, paranoid freak.

[thejives]

yaaaaaaaay

ok, i'm going to pass out now

[TheMojoPin]

Damn. You just killed part of my joy buzz. But I agree with you totally.

...My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.

Those of us who loved him and who take him to his rest today, pray that what he was to us and what he wished for others will someday come to pass for all the world.

As he said many times, in many parts of this nation, to those he touched and who sought to touch him:

Some men see things as they are and say why.
I dream things that never were and say why not.

I'd like that second chance.

[PapaBear]

I had a great moment. My 18 year old son moved out on his own back in February. It was a bad situation for the first 6 months, due to bad decisions on his part and tension between the two of us. He called me about a half hour ago all excited. Though he's been staying in WV, he wanted me to know that he made it down to our poling place here in VA to vote for the first time in his life. He voted for Obama, and was just thrilled about how the night went. Such a great moment.:smile:

[TheMojoPin]

It always saddens me to think what could have been with Nixon....if he hadn't been such a Machiavellian, paranoid freak.

True. The man was a political genius.

[epo]

I just got home and now the drinking starts!

[thejives]

You did it epo! Without you, KC, mojo, Hbox and all the other dedicated posters, this moment would not have been so thoroughly documented on .net.

The Obama thread is historical record now.

This is an amazing moment in history.

[epo]

A man I greatly respect often has told me of the great political love he had for Bobby Kennedy. Tonight we had a wonderful discussion about how I understood those feelings as they are the my sentiments with our new President-Elect.

[HBox]

North Carolina has 100% reporting according to MSNBC.com and the winner is.................................














































Barack Obama by 12000 votes.

Although I guess I should mention its not official because its so close that absentees could conceivably swing it back.

[MacVittie]

next stop, black man on the moon

[paracetamol flanders]

next stop, black man on the moon

Thus negating the classic Gil Scott-Heron song "Whitey On The Moon."

[paracetamol flanders]

next stop, black man on the moon


Hopefully Obama will get celestial and put an end to the discrimination against Pluto. It was bad enough to have to sit at the back of the solar system...

[ahhdurr]

I saw Obama's speech - I didn't realize he'd scaled it back from all the fanfare and whatnot that usually goes along with the acceptance speech. I liked hearing what some PBS commentators had to say about how it was just another day and there was work to be done... that that was what he was trying to convey.

What a great public speaking gig though - addressing planet earth. What club do you work after that?

[ahhdurr]

I had a great moment. My 18 year old son moved out on his own back in February. It was a bad situation for the first 6 months, due to bad decisions on his part and tension between the two of us. He called me about a half hour ago all excited. Though he's been staying in WV, he wanted me to know that he made it down to our poling place here in VA to vote for the first time in his life. He voted for Obama, and was just thrilled about how the night went. Such a great moment.:smile:

Awesome.

[PapaBear]

Awesome.
You ain't kiddin'. I've been feeling like a crappy father for most of this year. You have no idea how good this makes me feel. I've spent the last 8 years trying to teach him how important voting is. I guess I did something right. The best part was how happy he sounded about it all.

[MacVittie]

Thus negating the classic Gil Scott-Heron song "Whitey On The Moon."

And bringing to life the Howlin' Wolf classic "Coon on the Moon"

[PapaBear]

Oh. And to all you shock posters who said, "There's no way America will elect a black man as President"...

Click here to watch 'heh-heh-71' (http://media.putfile.com/heh-heh-71)

[JerseySean]

It always saddens me to think what could have been with Nixon....if he hadn't been such a Machiavellian, paranoid freak.

Amen

[HBox]

Barack Obama wins INDIANA. WOW.

And in Missouri, with 99% in, McCain leads by 398 votes. Damn.

But McCain looks like he will eventually hold on in Montana, barely.

[patsopinion]

when will obama get shot?


mr b brought this up a few months back talking about what would happen if hillary was the vp and if he got elected then the clintons would be blamed when he got shot.

this is my generations jfk
and it only takes one asshole to fuck this up, as we well know


and is this really to good to be true?
are theses just people that professionally run for office and do they even care about this country the way we all "hope" they do?

[PapaBear]

are theses just people that professionally run for office and do they even care about this country the way we all "hope" they do?
Very few people who seriously run for President do it for professional reasons. They can find much greater professional success in other fields. For the most part, they all (Democrat, Republican, etc.) truly feel they can make the country better. However, there is an ego aspect to it all, too.

[A.J.]

One other thought on the election. This is the first time I've been overseas for an election (Mojo and Yerdaddy are probably old hands at this). Maybe it's this particular year but everybody is really into the U.S. elections. I always got asked if I voted, who I was voting for, what did I think. The hotel had a banquet room showing election returns all night on satellite and the Ambassador had folks over his place to watch the returns this morning.

It's a weird way to watch the election.

Not to take anything away from the campaign Obama ran (and it was as good as if not better than Carter's in '76 or Clinton's in '92) but it seems like this was more a "fuck you, get out" vote against Bush and the GOP.

What I'm sensing here is that folks are happy to see Obama elected. The Arab street is not too fond of Bush's "war against Islam".

[A.J.]

McCain is giving a classy speech

I can't stream audio or video but I read the text. It was perfect and more importantly, sincere.

[spoon]

AJ, I disagree on your idea that this was more of a "fuck you, get out" vote against Bush and the GOP. Obama has mobilized such an amazing number of new voters with that as a factor sure, but his character, passion and poise truly inspires so many. You may not agree with his policy right now, but the fuck you vote was when an awful candidate like Kerry almost won the office in spite of absolutely no charm and substance. You just witnessed the cover of future history books and a truly great moment for our country. I hope so much he can build a core stronger middle class and prove to the doubters that his policies enacted are filled with great ideas that help shape a strong country for generations to come. I took a look on the FoxNews boards and the racist, sickening comments are all over. To call it petty at this point is quite an understatement.

[brettmojo]

Thank god.

I cam deal with 4 more years of Earl.

[A.J.]

AJ, I disagree on your idea that this was more of a "fuck you, get out" vote against Bush and the GOP. Obama has mobilized such an amazing number of new voters with that as a factor sure, but his character, passion and poise truly inspires so many. You may not agree with his policy right now, but the fuck you vote was when an awful candidate like Kerry almost won the office in spite of absolutely no charm and substance. You just witnessed the cover of future history books and a truly great moment for our country. I hope so much he can build a core stronger middle class and prove to the doubters that his policies enacted are filled with great ideas that help shape a strong country for generations to come. I took a look on the FoxNews boards and the racist, sickening comments are all over. To call it petty at this point is quite an understatement.

Oh no, it wasn't ENTIRELY that -- but there was certainly an element of that there I think: probably moreseo in terms of the Congressional races. I'm trying to find the results right now. That's why you're seeing the Dems bump up their numbers in the Congress. I was surprised that Chris Shays lost in CT and Elizabeth Dole lost in NC.

I gave credit where credit is due: Obama's campaign will rank up there with Carter's in '76 and Clinton's in '92. And as I also said before, I'm proud of this country for electing a minority. I hope that from now on race, gender, and age will no longer be an issue: just the policies.

I'm just glad it isn't Hillary for the next 4 years. What worries me is that Obama will pick her to be HHS Secretary.

[spoon]

Oh no, it wasn't ENTIRELY that -- but there was certainly an element of that there I think: probably moreseo in terms of the Congressional races. I'm trying to find the results right now. That's why you're seeing the Dems bump up their numbers in the Congress. I was surprised that Chris Shays lost in CT and Elizabeth Dole lost in NC.

I gave credit where credit is due: Obama's campaign will rank up there with Carter's in '76 and Clinton's in '92. And as I also said before, I'm proud of this country for electing a minority. I hope that from now on race, gender, and age will no longer be an issue: just the policies.

I'm just glad it isn't Hillary for the next 4 years. What worries me is that Obama will pick her to be HHS Secretary.

Dole was in a tight race and went PURE attack and even called her opponent "Godless". She even went as far as having someone fake her opponent's voice having her say terrible things about God and religion. Multiple religious leaders asked Dole to cut the ads as even they were insulted by these ads and she refused and even made more. She's a real winner and deserved to lose more than anyone else in these races outside of Stevens.....and he's WINNING!?!!?!?!

[spoon]

On the race/age/sex issue, you can't expect these to simply disappear because of a powerful moment in history and statement to say the least. However, it's still symbolic and unfortunately one moment in history versus many more the other way. Even now as far as we've come, and expecting to move even further in the right direction, there will always be those who continue to make these topics an issue for both pure/true reasons, and also for their own self interest.

[britneypablo]

well there goes the neighborhood.....

[KnoxHarrington]

Oh no, it wasn't ENTIRELY that -- but there was certainly an element of that there I think: probably moreseo in terms of the Congressional races. I'm trying to find the results right now. That's why you're seeing the Dems bump up their numbers in the Congress. I was surprised that Chris Shays lost in CT and Elizabeth Dole lost in NC.

I gave credit where credit is due: Obama's campaign will rank up there with Carter's in '76 and Clinton's in '92. And as I also said before, I'm proud of this country for electing a minority. I hope that from now on race, gender, and age will no longer be an issue: just the policies.

I'm just glad it isn't Hillary for the next 4 years. What worries me is that Obama will pick her to be HHS Secretary.

I think Hillary Clinton's future is in the Senate, and that is where she will finish her political career. She'll end up the Democratic leader in the Senate eventually, and I think she'd be good at that, actually. I think she'd have been a disaster as President, but I'm more impressed by how she's done as a Senator.

[A.J.]

Dole was in a tight race and went PURE attack and even called her opponent "Godless". She even went as far as having someone fake her opponent's voice having her say terrible things about God and religion. Multiple religious leaders asked Dole to cut the ads as even they were insulted by these ads and she refused and even made more. She's a real winner and deserved to lose more than anyone else in these races outside of Stevens.....and he's WINNING!?!!?!?!

No shit. Any politician that cites God that much deserves to lose. I get enough of that shit here.

Stevens and Don Young will die in office. They sit on powerful comittees and steered tons of money back to Alaska for years. It's like Byrd in West Virginia and Inoyue in Hawaii.

[KnoxHarrington]

Right now, as I post this, Norm Coleman leads Al Franken by about 700 votes with 99% of the vote counted. This one's going into OT, because I think there'll be a recount.

And, hey, I did what I could to get McConnell out of there, but we came up just short. Still much closer than I expected. I wish the Democratic Party here had taken this seriously and gotten a better candidate: Bruce Lunsford is one corrupt motherfucker, and I voted for him holding my nose. They should have run Ben Chandler, grandson of former governor A.B. "Happy" Chandler (the commissioner of baseball when Jackie Robinson came into the league as well), and currently my Representative, though I'm happy he's remaining my Representative.

[GreatAmericanZero]

wow they locked the McCain and Sarah Palin threads. thats cold

[Freakshow]

wow they locked the McCain and Sarah Palin threads. thats cold

who?

[Rockvillejoe]

enjoy watching your jobs being outsourced to third world countries as obama drives taxes through the roof for your employers and the 7% which pay 80% of the taxes of this nation. Socialist america here you go.:flush:

okay. it's over. save it for 2012.

I didn't vote for obama. i find him extremely calculated, dishonest, disingenuous, weak, and inexperienced.

but he won and he is now my president. 100 per cent.

on the plus side, i hope black folks in the dc area soften their obvious animus towards me because i am a white man. i didn't realize this until i spent time in other areas of the usa and saw how african americans outside of the dc area were a lot warmer and treated me with genuine kindness. you could see it in their eyes. really. in dc they look at me like i'm a slave owner. i'm the minority here and treated as such. isn't it ironic. don't ya think?

also hopefully obama will decriminilize marijuana, relax prostitution laws, and appoint some supreme court justices that aren't driven by their religious convictions. i'm all for that too. hey hey hey.

on the scary side is obamas' naiviate on international affairs and his poor judgment on issues of our national security.

but, i must be wrong. there are a lot of people a lot smarter than me that supported obama, from warren buffet to other folks whose opinions i respect.

i just hope you all are right. because if i am right, we are in trouble.

what good is this feel good story if we don't effectively deal with iran or we enter a conflict vs. russia due to our probable approach of capitulation and acquiesence instead of a stronger type of response? peace through might is now off the table.

we will see. obama 100 per cent.

p.s. i can't wait to see the new influx of kenyan immigrants overtake the current influx of mexican immigrants.

[Rockvillejoe]

No shit. Any politician that cites God that much deserves to lose. I get enough of that shit here.

Stevens and Don Young will die in office. They sit on powerful comittees and steered tons of money back to Alaska for years. It's like Byrd in West Virginia and Inoyue in Hawaii.

i'll bet that if stevens gets re-elected, he will retire as a sitting senator and guess who will take his place? someone who lacks legislative experience:

The republican candidate for 2012: Sarah Palin. that's who.

[EliSnow]

i'll bet that if stevens gets re-elected, he will retire as a sitting senator and guess who will take his place? someone who lacks legislative experience:

The republican candidate for 2012: Sarah Palin. that's who.

Can she?

I'm not certain of the process, but if a standing senator retires or dies in office, doesn't the governor of the state choose the replacement?

If so, I can't see that she can choose herself.

Again, I may be wrong about this.

[Jujubees2]

Two things.

1) Did anyone notice that at the McCain rally the crowd was just about all white while at the Obama rally there were whites, blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc. That, my friends (as McCain would say), is the race in a nutshell.

And check out what Bobby Kennedy said 40 years ago:

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[drjoek]

Heres a question
What exactly was Earls Bet? He had to win by 13 points. Obama obviously smoked him in the electoral votes 349 to 148 was that the winner or was it popular vote? Not a big deal but I was wondering.
The other vote about leaving the country well that didn't happen either

[mikeyboy]

Heres a question
What exactly was Earls Bet? He had to win by 13 points. Obama obviously smoked him in the electoral votes 349 to 148 was that the winner or was it popular vote? Not a big deal but I was wondering.
The other vote about leaving the country well that didn't happen either

Obama loses, he leaves the country.
Obama wins by less than 13 points, Earl buys Florios for the show.

[~Katja~]

Well, Obama's Kenyan relatives elated, holiday declared (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081105/ap_on_re_af/af_kenya_obama)

[Furtherman]

What a beautiful day, today.

[drjoek]

Obama loses, he leaves the country.
Obama wins by less than 13 points, Earl buys Florios for the show.

Thats my question 13 points of What? Electoral votes?
Popular Votes?
just wondering

[mikeyboy]

Thats my question 13 points of What? Electoral votes?
Popular Votes?
just wondering

I think it's percentage points on the popular vote.

[epo]

Thats my question 13 points of What? Electoral votes?
Popular Votes?
just wondering

Popular vote percentage. It was another great sucker bet by Ronnie B.

[drjoek]

I think it's percentage points on the popular vote.

So Earl could still lose bet this then

[foodcourtdruide]

It has to be popular vote percentage. Have you ever seen the media report the electoral vote in terms of percentage? And they always report the popular vote in terms of percentage.

Earl took a sucker bet. For example, when Reagan DESTROYED Mondale in 1984, only losing Minnesota he won by 18%.

[drjoek]

Popular vote percentage. It was another great sucker bet by Ronnie B.

Thats what I thought

[celery]

So Earl could still lose bet this then

Especially, because he got nothing when Obama won. I don't know why people constantly agree to these bets on R&F.

[drjoek]

Especially, because he got nothing when Obama won. I don't know why people constantly agree to these votes on R&F.

Because Ron Bennington is the greatest Carnie since PT Barnum

[razorboy]

It has to be popular vote percentage. Have you ever seen the media report the electoral vote in terms of percentage? And they always report the popular vote in terms of percentage.

Earl took a sucker bet. For example, when Reagan DESTROYED Mondale in 1994, only losing Minnesota he won by 18%.

I guess I'm ten years younger than I thought I was.

[foodcourtdruide]

I guess I'm ten years younger than I thought I was.

lol typo, 1984

[TheMojoPin]

on the scary side is obamas' naiviate on international affairs and his poor judgment on issues of our national security.

Based on what?

[Jujubees2]

Based on what?

Reports on Fox News , of course.

[Furtherman]

i just hope you all are right. because if i am right, we are in trouble.

We are. You're not. We'll be fine. American proved last night we can make smart, educated decisions for everyone.


p.s. i can't wait to see the new influx of kenyan immigrants overtake the current influx of mexican immigrants.

Considering that Mexico has over twice as much population, doubtful. Scratch that off your xenophobia list.

[K.C.]

It's going to be an interesting couple of days watching people pick at the corpse of the Republican Party.

There's going to be a lot of jockeying between the few moderates that are left standing, and the fringe, for control.

This is the only advice I'd offer, as someone who doesn't really care what they do:

The Republicans were pretty much unanimously kicked out of New England last night in the house and senate, save for Maine (which isn't really New England).

They've lost all traction in the Northeast.

If they're going to come back, they need to find a way to get that back.

[west milly Tom]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

[foodcourtdruide]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

Ah, nice to see republican talking points will continue post election. You do realize Obama is not the President yet, right?

Which right-wing radio show do you listen too?

[~Katja~]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

no, this is in response to the current administration and their missile plans for Europe.
He actually congratulated Obama and hopes for good relations.
(http://en.rian.ru/world/20081105/118142101.html)

[Furtherman]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

no, this is in response to the current administration and their missile plans for Europe.
He actually congratulated Obama and hopes for good relations.
(http://en.rian.ru/world/20081105/118142101.html)

Asking him to actually read might be too much.

[DarkHippie]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

I think that he is challenging bush's lame duck status more than obama.

I honestly doubt that many will challenge Obama, since he has so much support in the world theater. Going after Bush is easy, but going after Obama is going to piss alot of countries off.

Other countries want to love America. They have just had a hard time doing in these last 6 years. With Obama, it is not embarassing to love america again

[~Katja~]

Asking him to actually read might be too much.

it's ok, I'll have his chick read it to him in the nude.
She is a hottie and can grab his attention.

[keverlast]

Whew, Thank goodness, USA people are smart. Internationally the Rep.. were a laughing stock.

The world is praising you folks as the land of opportunity, once again

[Jujubees2]

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

Have you bought your "Don't blame me, I voted for McCain" bumper sticker yet?

[IamFogHat]

Oops wrong thread.

[Cybersoldier]

Congrats sen. Obama now lets see what he gets done in DC

[west milly Tom]

Asking him to actually read might be too much.


Oh yea I forgot, liberals are edjumicated. Go fuck your mother.

[west milly Tom]

it's ok, I'll have his chick read it to him in the nude.
She is a hottie and can grab his attention.


Don't try and butter me up so I put my gaurd down and you can steal her. :)

[mikeyboy]

Oh yea I forgot, liberals are edjumicated. Go fuck your mother.

Knock it off. Obviously, you're angry about the results of the election, but do not resort to attacks.

Folks on the other side: don't engage in it either.

[angrymissy]

Oh yea I forgot, liberals are edjumicated. Go fuck your mother.

http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/angel_hamster.jpg

[Furtherman]

Oh yea I forgot, liberals are edjumicated. Go fuck your mother.

Actually we suffer from a highly advanced form of curiosity. We kinda get bogged down with facts and such, so vague assertions and biased talking points really don't stick with us.

[ahhdurr]

You ain't kiddin'. I've been feeling like a crappy father for most of this year. You have no idea how good this makes me feel. I've spent the last 8 years trying to teach him how important voting is. I guess I did something right. The best part was how happy he sounded about it all.

That's kind of the sense I was getting from your post - I thought that was pretty cool. It was a nice story to add to feeling good about seeing Obama's speech and (Ron put it in these words) feeling good about our political system.

[west milly Tom]

Knock it off. Obviously, you're angry about the results of the election, but do not resort to attacks.

Folks on the other side: don't engage in it either.

Not mad, a little disappointed. But the personal attack started elsewhere.

[DarkHippie]

Oh yea I forgot, liberals are edjumicated. Go fuck your mother.

Ah yes, more intelligent discourse.

[mikeyboy]

Not mad, a little disappointed. But the personal attack started elsewhere.

Not so sure about that. You're the one who started with this:

President Medvedev has already challenged Obama. He's moving missles around and claiming we provoked the war in Georgia. And it begins. Nice voting assholes.

[west milly Tom]

Actually we suffer from a highly advanced form of curiosity. We kinda get bogged down with facts and such, so vague assertions and biased talking points really don't stick with us.

Obama's whole campaign was a talking point, he never said anything except that he increase capital gains tax by 100%.

Stop thinking that you are some beacon of enlightened thought. Congratulations on your vote for change. (talking point made)

[west milly Tom]

Not so sure about that. You're the one who started with this:


Not personal, general. Go fuck your
Mother was the personal one.

[Furtherman]

Obama's whole campaign was a talking point, he never said anything except that he increase capital gains tax by 100%.

Stop thinking that you are some beacon of enlightened thought. Congratulations on your vote for change. (talking point made)

Thank you for proving my point.

[Furtherman]

Not personal, general. Go fuck your
Mother was the personal one.

Towards me, the enlightened one!

*angelic music*

[west milly Tom]

Thank you for proving my point.

Eww.

[DarkHippie]

Obama's whole campaign was a talking point, he never said anything except that he increase capital gains tax by 100%.

Stop thinking that you are some beacon of enlightened thought. Congratulations on your vote for change. (talking point made)

Some of Obama's proposals include:

A relocation of American troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and back to the US

Additional taxes for those making over 200 thousand

Tax breaks for the working class

allowing americans to buy into the governmental health system (similar to the Healthy NY plan)

tax breaks for people using hybrid vehicles and "green" businesses

[angrymissy]

Obama's whole campaign was a talking point, he never said anything except that he increase capital gains tax by 100%.

Stop thinking that you are some beacon of enlightened thought. Congratulations on your vote for change. (talking point made)

Educate yourself on our new President and his policies, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

[DarkHippie]

Educate yourself on our new President and his policies, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

Right on Sistah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[epo]

Not personal, general. Go fuck your
Mother was the personal one.

I thought we strove for a bit of civil discourse here.

Go crawl into the hole from which you came.

[west milly Tom]

Educate yourself on our new President and his policies, because you obviously have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm so sick of being called uneducated for being conservative.

His tax break will never happen. Taxes will go up. We are working from a huge deficit and he wants to increase government spending by 950 billion. Where do you see a tax cut? Also he does not want to pull troops from Afganistan, he wants to increase troop levels there.

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm so sick of being called uneducated for being conservative.

That's not what she said at all.

[TheMojoPin]

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.

Good. The Bush tax cuts were a complete failure that did more harm than good. If people honestly expect this country to continue to grow and stay powerful, we can't keep slashing how much the citizenry invests into it.

[Furtherman]

I'm so sick of being called uneducated for being conservative.

You being conservative has nothing to do with how you are perceived. It's your lack of factual knowledge - which, by the way, is very easy educate yourself with.

[razorboy]

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.

You mean the stupidest and most inneffective tax cuts in this nation's history? Good.

[DarkHippie]

I'm so sick of being called uneducated for being conservative.

His tax break will never happen. Taxes will go up. We are working from a huge deficit and he wants to increase government spending by 950 billion. Where do you see a tax cut? Also he does not want to pull troops from Afganistan, he wants to increase troop levels there.

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.

The cuts will most likely come from all the money spent on rebuilding Iraq. Since not all the troops from Iraq will go to afghanistan, we can reduce military spending too.

[DarkHippie]

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.
The money i got from the tax cuts all went into my car's gas tank.

[west milly Tom]

You being conservative has nothing to do with how you are perceived. It's your lack of factual knowledge - which, by the way, is very easy educate yourself with.

I have submitted many facts for consideration. All I have met however, is conjecture.

I'm driving now and can no longer post, but I hope we can continue
Later.

If my nice voting assholes was to much I apologize. Just because I vote different don't make me a bad guy.

[angrymissy]

I'm so sick of being called uneducated for being conservative.

His tax break will never happen. Taxes will go up. We are working from a huge deficit and he wants to increase government spending by 950 billion. Where do you see a tax cut? Also he does not want to pull troops from Afganistan, he wants to increase troop levels there.

He's allowing the bush tax cuts to expire. That's already raising taxes to the Clinton level.

Obama is not raising Capital Gains taxes 100%... which is why I told you to do some research on his polices before making incorrect statements.

[west milly Tom]

Obama is not raising Capital Gains taxes 100%... which is why I told you to do some research on his polices before making incorrect statements.

You are wrong. Its 15% now Obama will raise it to 30%. That is an increase of 100%.

[angrymissy]

You are wrong. Its 15% now Obama will raise it to 30%. That is an increase of 100%.

Nope. He is raising it from 15% to 20% for people making over $250k.

That's not a 100% increase and it's not for 100% of taxpayers.

This is what I'm talking about - do your own research before just repeating something you've heard.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/obama-clarifies.html

“The top capital-gains rate for families making more than $250,000 would return to 20% -- the lowest rate that existed in the 1990s and the rate President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut. A 20% rate is almost a third lower than the rate President Reagan set in 1986,” wrote Obama advisors Jason Furman and Austan Goolsbee in Thursday’s Wall Street Journal.

[epo]

Nope. He is raising it from 15% to 20% for people making over $250k.

That's not a 100% increase and it's not for 100% of taxpayers.

This is what I'm talking about - do your own research before just repeating something you've heard.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/obama-clarifies.html

And mind you, like most of Obama's tax policies...this is the EXACT rate of tax for capital gains that were in place under President Clinton.

[west milly Tom]

Nope. He is raising it from 15% to 20% for people making over $250k.

That's not a 100% increase and it's not for 100% of taxpayers.

This is what I'm talking about - do your own research before just repeating something you've heard.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/obama-clarifies.html



First the capital gains tax is across the board.
Second, the new number is 30%.. He said this during a speech to constituents in Illinois. ABC news sucks a nut

[DarkHippie]

And mind you, like most of Obama's tax policies...this is the EXACT rate of tax for capital gains that were in place under President Clinton.

Besides, how many people do you know that make over 250k? even living in NY, where salaries are much higher (so is cost of living) I dont think i know anyone with that kind of cash.

[TheMojoPin]

First the capital gains tax is across the board.
Second, the new number is 30%.. He said this during a speech to constituents in Illinois. ABC news sucks a nut

Oh, well, since you said someone else's source "sucks a nut" and you can't back your statement up at all, I guess you win.

Wait...no.

[angrymissy]

I mean, seriously - if something sounds outlandish, like a 100% tax hike, GOOGLE it before saying it's right. Don't just repeat what you've heard... I hate that crap. If you have a dissenting political opinion on it, fine! Just know that the information you are posting is correct.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

[epo]

First the capital gains tax is across the board.
Second, the new number is 30%.. He said this during a speech to constituents in Illinois. ABC news sucks a nut

Which would be great if you could reference it. I can reference the 20% capital gains tax rate. (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf)

FACE!

[epo]

I mean, seriously - if something sounds outlandish, like a 100% tax hike, GOOGLE it before saying it's right. Don't just repeat what you've heard... I hate that crap. If you have a dissenting political opinion on it, fine! Just know that the information you are posting is correct.

http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

Damn that Missy is quick!

[angrymissy]

First the capital gains tax is across the board.
Second, the new number is 30%.. He said this during a speech to constituents in Illinois. ABC news sucks a nut

Oh Jesus Christ, did you even bother to check?

Check out my link directly from Obama's website

or

GOOGLE Obama Capital Gains and read the multiple articles detailing that it is only OVER $250k and raising from 15% to 20%

And you wonder why people would imply you are not informed or educated on the issues. That is why. You just repeated that it was a 100% increase over and over without bothering to even check yourself because it sounded good to you.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, not me.

[west milly Tom]

Which would be great if you could reference it. I can reference the 20% capital gains tax rate. (http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf)

FACE!


BoB Grant is the source. He played a clip of Obama saying it. As far as sourcing it further I can't.

I feel like a prison rape victim right now.

[mikeyboy]

Oh Jesus Christ, did you even bother to check?

Check out my link directly from Obama's website

or

GOOGLE Obama Capital Gains and read the multiple articles detailing that it is only OVER $250k and raising from 15% to 20%

And you wonder why people would imply you are not informed or educated on the issues. That is why. You just repeated that it was a 100% increase over and over without bothering to even check yourself because it sounded good to you.

I'm sorry, you're wrong, not me.

What's the difference between Missy and a pitbull?

Better shoes.

[angrymissy]

BoB Grant is the source. He played a clip of Obama saying it. As far as sourcing it further I can't.

I feel like a prison rape victim right now.

In early 2007, Obama discussed possibly hiking it to 28%. His official plan, released over the summer of 2008, detailed that it would, indeed, be raised from 15% to 20% for people making over $250k.

Your information is outdated. Again - do some research and educate yourself on our new President, rather than taking information from one source that you cannot cite.

[epo]

BoB Grant is the source. He played a clip of Obama saying it. As far as sourcing it further I can't.

I feel like a prison rape victim right now.

Bob Grant or Bob Grant's hairpiece?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2007/08/23/alg_bobgrant.jpg

[angrymissy]

Bob Grant looks like the irradiated feral ghouls I am currently annihilating in Fallout 3.

[west milly Tom]

Honestly, I hope everybody's right. I didn't want 4 more years of Bush policy either. Obama just scares me. He's sooo left, and so is the congress. There's no check for crazy leftyness right now. As a conservative I fear change like that.

[Dougie Brootal]

I feel like a prison rape victim right now.

mod quote?

[Furtherman]

I have submitted many facts for consideration. All I have met however, is conjecture.

Conjecture? So all the fact we've referenced have been.... guessed?

You have submitted NOTHING.


But maybe I can make an edjumicated guess too.

New conservative tactic for rebuilding party. (http://www.hellblazer.com/media/crybaby.jpg)

[mikeyboy]

mod quote?

:innocent:

[angrymissy]

Honestly, I hope everybody's right. I didn't want 4 more years of Bush policy either. Obama just scares me. He's sooo left, and so is the congress. There's no check for crazy leftyness right now. As a conservative I fear change like that.

Now you know how I felt the past 8 years.

[Furtherman]

I fear change

...and scene.

[Dougie Brootal]

:innocent:

hahaha

[west milly Tom]

My dealer just told me he voted for Obama and he's never voted before. Lol talk about mobilizing your base.

[Dougie Brootal]

Now you know how the world felt the past 8 years.

fixed.

[razorboy]

My dealer just told me he voted for Obama and he's never voted before. Lol talk about mobilizing your base.

You can't really be this defective, can you?

[west milly Tom]

One thing that makes me happy is the free exchange of ideas.

Justjon for president 2012!

[west milly Tom]

You can't really be this defective, can you?


I'm not defective, I'm totally shot.

[yojimbo7248]

I have submitted many facts for consideration. All I have met however, is conjecture.

I'm driving now and can no longer post, but I hope we can continue
Later.

If my nice voting assholes was to much I apologize. Just because I vote different don't make me a bad guy.

JerseySean is about as conservative as they come and he has debates with Mojo and epo that never get personal or stupid. Sometimes JerseySean's sources weren't the greatest (in my opinion, obviously) but he is a bright guy and it was always a serious discussion.

I hope Republicans do some serious thinking about fiscal responsibility while you are out in the political wilderness. The current administration's policy of cutting taxes while increasing spending on defense doesn't work. It just puts us deeper in debt to China. When McCain voted against Bush's tax cuts, he said that no country has ever waged war and cut taxes at the same time. You can't tell Americans that we are engaged in a war for our survival but then not ask them to pay for it. Do we just pass on the cost to our kids? I would be more of a GOP fan if they went the libertarian route. Close our overseas military bases, skip the optional wars, cut domestic spending, shrink the federal government, and then reduce taxes. Be consistent in your beliefs. You can't have Bush's massive spending coupled with tax cuts. When Republicans slam on Obama for saying he will raise taxes, I want to ask them how they propose to pay for our defense, medicare, federal highway programs, etc.

[mikeyboy]

One thing that makes me happy is the free exchange of ideas.

Justjon for president 2012!

Let's see... You called the voters for Obama assholes. Told another member to fuck his mother. Threw out a bunch of unsupported non-truths as facts, and really was pretty condescending about Obama's "base".

There's plenty of civil discourse on this site. That's not how to get it.

[JerseySean]

JerseySean is about as conservative as they come and he has debates with Mojo and epo that never get personal or stupid. Sometimes JerseySean's sources weren't the greatest (in my opinion, obviously) but he is a bright guy and it was always a serious discussion.

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Really not that conservative bro. Also, Im not dead, stop talking about me like I'm gone. Also guys, give them their day. They wanted Obama, they got Obama. Good for them. Lets see what they do. Ill be the first one to shit on Obama the second he fucks up. But he won the election. Give them their day......Congrats boys

[Dougie Brootal]

Really not that conservative bro. Also, Im not dead, stop talking about me like I'm gone. Also guys, give them their day. They wanted Obama, they got Obama. Good for them. Lets see what they do. Ill be the first one to shit on Obama the second he fucks up. But he won the election. Give them their day......Congrats boys

JerseySean... 100% Class Act.





































































despite not taking the bet!:tongue:

[epo]

Really not that conservative bro. Also, Im not dead, stop talking about me like I'm gone. Also guys, give them their day. They wanted Obama, they got Obama. Good for them. Lets see what they do. Ill be the first one to shit on Obama the second he fucks up. But he won the election. Give them their day......Congrats boys

Here is the other thing too. Sean and I have had some conversations via PM and he's actually ok in my book. A bit of civil discourse goes a long way in my book.

Plus...as much as I shitted on Clinton in the 90's...we lefties owe it to America to consistently be open-minded enough to be critical of President-Elect Obama when he's the President and makes a bad decision or policy.

This is the beauty of RF.net.

[west milly Tom]

Let's see... You called the voters for Obama assholes. Told another member to fuck his mother. Threw out a bunch of unsupported non-truths as facts, and really was pretty condescending about Obama's "base".

There's plenty of civil discourse on this site. That's not how to get it.


You are right sir. I have behaved poorly. Right is right and I came off like an asshole. I certainly hope.I will not be judged on this thread alone. I am terribly heated. In all seriousness I enjoy this board and its members. Ill be happy to buy anyone in the thread a beer Friday and shake hands.

[EliSnow]

JerseySean is about as conservative as they come and he has debates with Mojo and epo that never get personal or stupid. Sometimes JerseySean's sources weren't the greatest (in my opinion, obviously) but he is a bright guy and it was always a serious discussion.


He was an okay guy. Whatever happened to him?

[brettmojo]

Ill be the first one to shit on Obama the second he fucks up.
Well no shit... :wink:

[razorboy]

He was an okay guy. Whatever happened to him?

I heard he took some kind of bet.

[brettmojo]

Here is the other thing too. Sean and I have had some conversations via PM and he's actually ok in my book.
Stop tearing down the third wall.

[JerseySean]

Here is the other thing too. Sean and I have had some conversations via PM and he's actually ok in my book. A bit of civil discourse goes a long way in my book.

Plus...as much as I shitted on Clinton in the 90's...we lefties owe it to America to consistently be open-minded enough to be critical of President-Elect Obama when he's the President and makes a bad decision or policy.

This is the beauty of RF.net.

I agree with epo. I dont care what anyone says, there is a huge difference between campaign mode and governing mode for arguing. Its not on purpose, it just happens because people, including myself and epo who are both pretty knowledgable on this, are just emotional. Politics is the one business where you never cease being a mark on some level. But, honestly I am more of an American than a partisan and in some fucked up way, I actually hope Obama helps this country. Now is the time to not make quick judgements and react to every little thing. Here is where I see Obama making a HUGE mistake from the getgo. Emmanuel for Chief of Staff and Corzine for Treasury.

[Dougie Brootal]

Ill be happy to buy anyone in the thread a beer Friday...

shouldnt have said that!:laugh:

[yojimbo7248]

Really not that conservative bro. Also, Im not dead, stop talking about me like I'm gone. Also guys, give them their day. They wanted Obama, they got Obama. Good for them. Lets see what they do. Ill be the first one to shit on Obama the second he fucks up. But he won the election. Give them their day......Congrats boys

Good to see you're still with us! Seriously, I was just trying to make the point to west milly Tom that no one is slamming on him because he isn't an Obama fan. I thought you were more conservative but I guess I was wrong. My point was that you, Mojo, and Epo had and will continue to have, since you didn't take the bet, interesting, civil discussions that never turned into telling each other to fuck their mothers.

[K.C.]

Here is the other thing too. Sean and I have had some conversations via PM and he's actually ok in my book. A bit of civil discourse goes a long way in my book.


To me, he obviously has a pretty robust knowledge of politics.

My main disagreement with him is I think that he sees his brand of conservatism as appealing to the mainstream.

Not to make it sound like what I say is...I know I'm outside the mainstream in terms of how liberally I view economics (though I'm not a liberal, at least by the classical definition).

[west milly Tom]

shouldnt have said that!:laugh:

I meant it. If my limited wealth is going to be redistributed I may as well put it to good use.

[JerseySean]

Good to see you're still with us! Seriously, I was just trying to make the point to west milly Tom that no one is slamming on him because he isn't an Obama fan. I thought you were more conservative but I guess I was wrong. My point was that you, Mojo, and Epo had and will continue to have, since you thankfully are not dead, interesting, civil discussions that never turned into telling each other fuck their mothers.

Fuck your mother epo and mojo....you;re wrong jimbo

[mikeyboy]

You are right sir. I have behaved poorly. Right is right and I came off like an asshole. I certainly hope.I will not be judged on this thread alone. I am terribly heated. In all seriousness I enjoy this board and its members. Ill be happy to buy anyone in the thread a beer Friday and shake hands.

What's on Friday? I know Dave's birthday is Saturday.

[booster11373]

This was an ad on Drudge

I wonder if they all ready had them made and just switched canidates

http://www.cafepress.com/1_20_13

a sample of the goods

http://logo.cafepress.com/7/14952804.6162347.jpg

[west milly Tom]

Fuck your mother epo and mojo....you;re wrong jimbo

I get it I'm an ass.

[Dougie Brootal]

What's on Friday? I know Dave's birthday is Saturday.

west milly toms wealth redistribution party. you didnt get that memo?

[JerseySean]

To me, he obviously has a pretty robust knowledge of politics.

My main disagreement with him is I think that he sees his brand of conservatism as appealing to the mainstream.

Not to make it sound like what I say is...I know I'm outside the mainstream in terms of how liberally I view economics (though I'm not a liberal, at least by the classical definition).

First of all, without crisis, the "Obama" thing isnt close to as significant. In a time of economic "peril", people shift left. Without that meltdown in September, Obama has 273-285 electoral votes. This country is still split and we are still a center right country. If Obama lets Pelosi take him to the left ala Delay/Bush, he will be in trouble.

My brand of conservatism is to ignore social issues, Guiliani on foreign policy and more of a Huckbee style domestic policy. I think the free-market conservatives are out of touch and I think that more of a populist domestic system which skews toward the free market is the best direction for this country.

[JerseySean]

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theme song for the next 4 years.

[foodcourtdruide]

First of all, without crisis, the "Obama" thing isnt close to as significant. In a time of economic "peril", people shift left. Without that meltdown in September, Obama has 273-285 electoral votes. This country is still split and we are still a center right country. If Obama lets Pelosi take him to the left ala Delay/Bush, he will be in trouble.

My brand of conservatism is to ignore social issues, Guiliani on foreign policy and more of a Huckbee style domestic policy. I think the free-market conservatives are out of touch and I think that more of a populist domestic system which skews toward the free market is the best direction for this country.

It's so odd, for the past 6 months you have been almost completely wrong with your predictions for this election, and the DAY after you make a statement like that. There's absolutely no way of knowing what the results would have been had the meltdown in September not happened. Issues would have shifted.

We are not a center-right country right now. We are a center-left country.

[EliSnow]

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theme song for the next 4 years.

Does that make you Archie Bunker? Cause that's a perfect fit.

[TheMojoPin]

I still miss JerseySean. He was good people, and his passing was tragic.

[JerseySean]

It's so odd, for the past 6 months you have been almost completely wrong with your predictions for this election, and the DAY after you make a statement like that. There's absolutely no way of knowing what the results would have been had the meltdown in September not happened. Issues would have shifted.

We are not a center-right country right now. We are a center-left country.

Actually, sir I nailed all of the Senate races (so long as MN and OR hold) outside of the Stevens thing (GOD BLESS ALASKA) and I got the number in the house down to one. I should have written if Obama would have won without the meltdown, it would have been 273-285. Noone can dispute that.

[west milly Tom]

What's on Friday? I know Dave's birthday is Saturday.

Hopefully ill be catching the show Friday.

[TheMojoPin]

I should have written if Obama would have won without the meltdown, it would have been 273-285. Noone can dispute that.

Nobody can support it, either. It's a self-defeating hypothetical as you've presented it.

[foodcourtdruide]

Actually, sir I nailed all of the Senate races (so long as MN and OR hold) outside of the Stevens thing (GOD BLESS ALASKA) and I got the number in the house down to one. I should have written if Obama would have won without the meltdown, it would have been 273-285. Noone can dispute that.

No one can dispute that? So pre-meltdown McCain had a significant lead in the polls (ugh, I hate polls, but I'm just using them to prove that this was not AT ALL a done deal for McCain) and the Obama plan to register new voters didn't exist?

Bush's popularity was insanely good pre-meltdown? Voters could have identified McCain with unpopular Bush no matter how the economy was. Stop acting like your opinion is a fact.

Sean.. oh Sean..