2011-12 NBA Season

[Kevin]

Bucks gave Salmons 39mil??

Seriously?

[hammersavage]

Bucks gave Salmons 39mil??

Seriously?

Avg. 20 PPG last year.

Darko for 4 years at $20 mil.

NBA contracts are ridiculous. Get paid now cuz it has to change after next summer.

[Kevin]

Avg. 20 PPG last year.

Darko for 4 years at $20 mil.

NBA contracts are ridiculous. Get paid now cuz it has to change after next summer.


Darko contract is prob the worst in a long time.

[TheGameHHH]

Darko contract is prob the worst in a long time.

its pretty awful, but i also hate the contract the hawks just offered joe. its not the worst contract, i just dont see how he's worth $119 million dollars

[Kevin]

Also, Solmans avg 19.9 in 28games with Mil..

12.7 in 51 games with the Bulls.

I understand the Johnson thing Trips.

He is overpaid for sure, but the Hawks can't kill their fan base by losing him.

Darko is just a BUM

[hammersavage]

Also, Solmans avg 19.9 in 28games with Mil..

12.7 in 51 games with the Bulls.

I understand the Johnson thing Trips.

He is overpaid for sure, but the Hawks can't kill their fan base by losing him.

Darko is just a BUM

I meant he avg 20 PPG for them. he's a good fit on that system. its not surprising that he got that money.

The Darko move is a bit perplexing.

[Kevin]

the Raptors sign Amir Johnson to a 5 year $34 million deal.

Truly one of the worst signings in recent memory. He averaged 6 points and 5 rebounds last year.

[Snoogans]

I meant he avg 20 PPG for them. he's a good fit on that system. its not surprising that he got that money.

The Darko move is a bit perplexing.

Honestly, I think Salmons will do alot more to earn his deal than half these FAs will to earn their max moneys. Esp guys like Dirk and Joe Johnson. Salmons is good and perfect for that team. Once they have bogut back, and if Redd gets healthy and gets his shot goin, the Bucks will be fuckin good. Until they all start to hate Skiles, anyway

[hammersavage]

Honestly, I think Salmons will do alot more to earn his deal than half these FAs will to earn their max moneys. Esp guys like Dirk and Joe Johnson. Salmons is good and perfect for that team. Once they have bogut back, and if Redd gets healthy and gets his shot goin, the Bucks will be fuckin good. Until they all start to hate Skiles, anyway

I agree. They had something going with Bogut healthy last year. I think Larry Sanders is gonna be a player in the league too.

Dirk earned whatever money he gets. He'll be paid right for 3 or 4 of the 5 years

[Snoogans]

I agree. They had something going with Bogut healthy last year. I think Larry Sanders is gonna be a player in the league too.

Dirk earned whatever money he gets. He'll be paid right for 3 or 4 of the 5 years

i dont think dirk earned shit. he choked every time in the playoffs when it really mattered, and now he is gettin up there. You CANT pay guys for what they did. You have to pay them for what they will do and dirk will not be a max player going forward. No chance

[Kevin]

i dont think dirk earned shit. he choked every time in the playoffs when it really mattered, and now he is gettin up there. You CANT pay guys for what they did. You have to pay them for what they will do and dirk will not be a max player going forward. No chance

That being said...

DIRK MIKE MILLER KNICKS!

[hammersavage]

i dont think dirk earned shit. he choked every time in the playoffs when it really mattered, and now he is gettin up there. You CANT pay guys for what they did. You have to pay them for what they will do and dirk will not be a max player going forward. No chance

He was still a 25 and 8 guy last year, I think. He made the Mavs what they are for the last decade. I'd say no player in the league single handedly had more to do with his teams success than him.

And he didn't always choke. They were on the wrong side of the top 3 most fixed game I've ever seen.

[Snoogans]

He was still a 25 and 8 guy last year, I think. He made the Mavs what they are for the last decade. I'd say no player in the league single handedly had more to do with his teams success than him.

And he didn't always choke. They were on the wrong side of the top 3 most fixed game I've ever seen.

again, in the past. You really think he is gonna be that good for the next 3 or 4 years? No fuckin chance

[hammersavage]

again, in the past. You really think he is gonna be that good for the next 3 or 4 years? No fuckin chance

He was still awesome last year. I think yea, he probably has 3 years at that level left. And I usually don't give a shit about players earning it but he's a unique case because he is more of that franchise than anyone else in the league.

[hammersavage]

As dumb as it seemed for Jefferson to opt out, who the hell are the Spurs gonna get for the 3 spot?

Matt Barnes? (he's gonna be a Knick)
TMac?

Spurs era might actually be done for real this time.

[Snoogans]

He was still awesome last year. I think yea, he probably has 3 years at that level left. And I usually don't give a shit about players earning it but he's a unique case because he is more of that franchise than anyone else in the league.

why is 25 and 8 and ZERO defense a max player?

You really think joe johnson is a max player? Fuck i dont think bosh even is. To me, there is 2 max players available. Bron and Wade. Everyone else is not that good. They will get it, but they arent that good.

RUDY GAY got max. what the fuck is wrong with GMs

[hammersavage]

why is 25 and 8 and ZERO defense a max player?

You really think joe johnson is a max player? Fuck i dont think bosh even is. To me, there is 2 max players available. Bron and Wade. Everyone else is not that good. They will get it, but they arent that good.

RUDY GAY got max. what the fuck is wrong with GMs

Joe Johnson isn't a max player. He was hideous in the playoffs.

But the money is there. 7 or 8 teams can afford at least 1 max contract. 3 or 4 actually deserve it.

The league is an overpaid league. Where highly paid, bad contract players have serious actual trade value.

I think Lebron, Wade and Bosh are definite max guys, and Amare is close. Boozer is a shade under him. But Peirce, Dirk, Gay will get it. Shit, Reddick's gonna get paid.

[hammersavage]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs046.snc4/34654_442891600254_26426125254_6410366_3212725_n.j pg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs053.snc4/35023_443013415254_26426125254_6413840_6459570_n.j pg

[TheGameHHH]

why is 25 and 8 and ZERO defense a max player?

You really think joe johnson is a max player? Fuck i dont think bosh even is. To me, there is 2 max players available. Bron and Wade. Everyone else is not that good. They will get it, but they arent that good.

RUDY GAY got max. what the fuck is wrong with GMs

I couldn't agree more. All this hype about Bosh has been killing me.

[Kevin]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs046.snc4/34654_442891600254_26426125254_6410366_3212725_n.j pg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs053.snc4/35023_443013415254_26426125254_6413840_6459570_n.j pg

A guy that owns 1% and another that lucked into his money...

And has shown terrible basketball sense since he came here..

GREAT blueprint..

And the 1% goes to more Knick games then his own team.. Even when the Knicks ae TERRIBLE.

[underdog]

I couldn't agree more. All this hype about Bosh has been killing me.

Yeah, I couldn't believe the hype Bosh has been getting.

[hammersavage]

I couldn't agree more. All this hype about Bosh has been killing me.

He's pretty awesome. His team stunk and he can't be the #1 guy on a championship team but he's still a max player. Especially if a team can play him at the 4 which would be a much better fit for him (Houston). He averages about 21 and 10 and over a block a game and he's 26.

[hammersavage]

And has shown terrible basketball sense since he came here..

how's that?

[TheGameHHH]

He's pretty awesome. His team stunk and he can't be the #1 guy on a championship team but he's still a max player. Especially if a team can play him at the 4 which would be a much better fit for him (Houston). He averages about 21 and 10 and over a block a game and he's 26.

So 21 and 10 nets you what nowadays? $450 million?

He's just terribly underwhelming to me, I don't see him as being worthy of a max.

[Kevin]

how's that?

Umm... By being so bad and putting your Russian spys in the org that a great respected GM like Rod Thorn quits a week before a FA period he has worked 2 years for is coming..

And then BRINGING him to the meeting even though he won't be there..

THATS how.

[Snoogans]

i dont get it. Ive seen bosh play a ton. He isnt that good. I dont really think he is better than David Lee. He isnt that strong. He is just a good player. in the west conf, he would be an avg forward. He has never shown he can step up and carry a team. In fact, he failed to carry a team then cried he needed help. He isnt a defensive force. I dont see what makes him as good as dirk or better than amare and david lee. I just dont

[hammersavage]

So 21 and 10 nets you what nowadays? $450 million?

He's just terribly underwhelming to me, I don't see him as being worthy of a max.

Yes, its definitely worth the max. 24 and 11 last year as a 26 year old.

Umm... By being so bad and putting your Russian spys in the org that a great respected GM like Rod Thorn quits a week before a FA period he has worked 2 years for is coming..

And then BRINGING him to the meeting even though he won't be there..

THATS how.

What?

Rod Thorn will step down as president of the New Jersey Nets on July 15, according to league sources.

Thorn, the Nets president since 2000, is under contract through June 30 but will remain for two weeks to help the club through the first two weeks of the free-agency period.

Thorn is not being forced out by the Nets' new owner, Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov, and there is no tension between the two, according to sources.

"They've given Rod everything he could want," a league executive said. "This is entirely his decision."

[hammersavage]

i dont get it. Ive seen bosh play a ton. He isnt that good. I dont really think he is better than David Lee. He isnt that strong. He is just a good player. in the west conf, he would be an avg forward. He has never shown he can step up and carry a team. In fact, he failed to carry a team then cried he needed help. He isnt a defensive force. I dont see what makes him as good as dirk or better than amare and david lee. I just dont

he can't carry a team on his own. but he can be the 2nd best on a championship team, like Gasol. And they both deserve max money.

And I think Lee is underrated and really hope a team like the Thunder can get him and they will be awesome.

[Kevin]

Yes, its definitely worth the max. 24 and 11 last year as a 26 year old.



What?

If you think Thorn left the team he spent all those years with and then built for this FA period, week before..

Then you are stupid.


He left because they lowballed him and then he brought in his Russian conies to look over his shoulder...

Thorn is too classy to bad mouth anyone.

Prokerhov has shown to be a careless crass owner... Kiki found out he was fired while boarding a plane on a recruiting mission.

That shit aint right.

[hammersavage]

If you think Thorn left the team he spent all those years with and then built for this FA period, week before..

Then you are stupid.


He left because they lowballed him and then he brought in his Russian conies to look over his shoulder...

Thorn is too classy to bad mouth anyone.

Prokerhov has shown to be a careless crass owner... Kiki found out he was fired while boarding a plane on a recruiting mission.

That shit aint right.

wow, you are just making stuff up. but ok.

and Kiki went 3 and 60. He should have had the KGB kill his whole fucking family. Fuck him

[Snoogans]

he can't carry a team on his own. but he can be the 2nd best on a championship team, like Gasol. And they both deserve max money.

And I think Lee is underrated and really hope a team like the Thunder can get him and they will be awesome.

i highly disagree

the lee thing i agree. If i was the knicks, id give him 6 years 60 mill right now and use that to recruit someone else. Get 1 other guy, i dont even care who, boozer maybe for like 12 mill, use the other 10 or whatever to get solid guys and you can either wait and go after melo next year or work a trade for him. Melo or CP3 for 11 mill in expiring contract and wilson chandler just might get it done if they know the guys are leaving anyway

[hammersavage]

Thorn is not being forced out by new owner Mikhail Prokhorov, who wants him to stay on. The Russian billionaire recently chose not to renew the contract of general manager Kiki Vandeweghe. He then gave Thorn the dual job of president and general manager, a new contract and the task of rebuilding a team that won a franchise low 12 games last season.

Thorn has had the contract for two weeks and not signed it.

When asked on Friday when he would sign it and how long he would stay with the team, Thorn seemed to laugh.

"We'll see," he said cryptically. "Thanks for asking."

ESPN The Magazine first reported Friday that Thorn would step down July 15.

Thorn, who has been calling the shots for the Nets since 2000, hired Avery Johnson as coach last week, ran the draft on Thursday and is now preparing for the long-awaited free agency period that begins July 1, when the likes of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh can test the market.

New Jersey doesn't have a great supporting cast, but Thorn has positioned the team to make a run at star players with $27 million in salary cap space.

but what does the AP know

[Snoogans]

but what does the AP know

thats actually why thorn stayed to help with FA. Cause they didnt force him out and he felt bad if he just abandoned them

[hammersavage]

i highly disagree

the lee thing i agree. If i was the knicks, id give him 6 years 60 mill right now and use that to recruit someone else. Get 1 other guy, i dont even care who, boozer maybe for like 12 mill, use the other 10 or whatever to get solid guys and you can either wait and go after melo next year or work a trade for him. Melo or CP3 for 11 mill in expiring contract and wilson chandler just might get it done if they know the guys are leaving anyway

god, I think he gets more. If Darko gets $5 mil per, Lee should get $20.

Knicks fans should be resigned to a two year plan and can't look at this offseason as a failure if they get Lee and Amare. Just hope Melo doesn't take the extension.

Curry comes off the books next year and Melo and maybe Durant are available or CP3 via trade.

[hammersavage]

thats actually why thorn stayed to help with FA. Cause they didnt force him out and he felt bad if he just abandoned them

is it an Albanian thing? do they have beef with the Russians?

[Snoogans]

god, I think he gets more. If Darko gets $5 mil per, Lee should get $20.

Knicks fans should be resigned to a two year plan and can't look at this offseason as a failure if they get Lee and Amare. Just hope Melo doesn't take the extension.

Curry comes off the books next year and Melo and maybe Durant are available or CP3 via trade.

if melo doesnt sign denver will trade him before the deadline. Maybe wilson chandler and his somewhat ok scoring ability and 11.5 in expiring money is enough to get him

[Kevin]

Van Gundy told Michael Kay that when Thorn asked him if he wanted to coach, he told him that he is not sure but he might be out of NJ.

That leads me to believe that something was up.

And yea...

You know its true if it has AP in it..

They are always Gospel...

[hammersavage]

Van Gundy told Michael Kay that when Thorn asked him if he wanted to coach, he told him that he is not sure but he might be out of NJ.

That leads me to believe that something was up.

And yea...

You know its true if it has AP in it..

They are always Gospel...

well thats good enough for me.

Prokhorov doesn't know what he's doing!!!

[spoon]

This just in, Bron took a shit and they BELIEVE it had some Cuban food in there so Miami is CLEARLY in the lead!

NBA free agency is as exciting as it's season. Fucking boring shit dominating everything too with NO real news. :wallbash:

[A.J.]

This just in, Bron took a shit and they BELIEVE it had some Cuban food in there so Miami is CLEARLY in the lead!

You joke, but that is almost as bad as Redskins Breaking News.

[spoon]

You joke, but that is almost as bad as Redskins Breaking News.

Haynesworth says fuck you!

[hammersavage]

Wade told reports 'I'm in a New York state of mind, we'll see.'

not gonna happen but I like the big tease this all is.

[A.J.]

Haynesworth says fuck you!

He's been doing that to the organization and the fans.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This just in, Bron took a shit and they BELIEVE it had some Cuban food in there so Miami is CLEARLY in the lead!



You mis-read. It's Cuban's food. DALLAS!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wade told reports 'I'm in a New York state of mind, we'll see.'

not gonna happen but I like the big tease this all is.

Horseshit. Wade has gone on record quite a few times that he hates NYC and he really hates the media there. He's just fucking with people.

[Fallon]

This just in, Bron took a shit and they BELIEVE it had some Cuban food in there so Miami is CLEARLY in the lead!

NBA free agency is as exciting as it's season. Fucking boring shit dominating everything too with NO real news. :wallbash:

I was just watching NHL Live on the NHL Network.

Much better off season discussions.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This whole "FA season starts 7/1 but you can't commit until 7/8" is what led us to this bullshit. Fallon's right, NHL has it right.

[Fallon]

This whole "FA season starts 7/1 but you can't commit until 7/8" is what led us to this bullshit. Fallon's right, NHL has it right.

It's stupid. Reports are Pierce has agreed to a new contract with the C's. Shouldn't have to wait.

[hammersavage]

Horseshit. Wade has gone on record quite a few times that he hates NYC and he really hates the media there. He's just fucking with people.

Exactly. That's why its funny.

And this week is great. I couldn't get too much of all the stupid information out there. Love the speculation

[Fallon]

XM should broadcast Cleveland's sports station nationally this summer.

I bet it's hilarious.

[Kevin]

Exactly. That's why its funny.

And this week is great. I couldn't get too much of all the stupid information out there. Love the speculation

The Latest rumor is that Bron will sign with the Olympiakos

He feels he could rebuild an entire country with his sheer greatness through basketball..

I think Chris Broussard is reporting.

Olympiakos had a "Spectacular meeting"

I'm hearing "Done deal"

[hammersavage]

Amare to the Knicks. 5 years, near the max.

[Rhah]

So does that mean one of their 2 max contracts is out of contention now? Only able to sign one more max contract player?

[hammersavage]

So does that mean one of their 2 max contracts is out of contention now? Only able to sign one more max contract player?

it depends if it truly is max money or not. but probably, yea

[Kevin]

Amare to the Knicks. 5 years, near the max.

Is that a done deal too?

[hammersavage]

Is that a done deal too?

twitters blowing up with it. a lot of sources.

[spoon]

twitters blowing up with it. a lot of sources.

gay

[epo]

Wade told reports 'I'm in a New York state of mind, we'll see.'

not gonna happen but I like the big tease this all is.

He's mocking the Knicks...

[Kevin]

He's mocking the Knicks...

No one will be after Lebron signs.

I'm giving my trademark BOOK it on this.

I was RIGHT about Arod

I was RIGHT about CC..

YOU AND THE REST OF THE NY HATING MEDIA WILL ONCE AGAIN CRY IN YOUR SHITTY DOMESTIC BEER!

[Snoogans]

No one will be after Lebron signs.

I'm giving my trademark BOOK it on this.

I was RIGHT about Arod

I was RIGHT about CC..

YOU AND THE REST OF THE NY HATING MEDIA WILL ONCE AGAIN CRY IN YOUR SHITTY DOMESTIC BEER!

first of all, is it really something to brag about being right that a guy would take an offer 50+ mill more than the next best offer?

2nd of all, please dont do this. We got hippojinx on our side. Dont screw it up with your cockyness

[epo]

No one will be after Lebron signs.

I'm giving my trademark BOOK it on this.

I was RIGHT about Arod

I was RIGHT about CC..

YOU AND THE REST OF THE NY HATING MEDIA WILL ONCE AGAIN CRY IN YOUR SHITTY DOMESTIC BEER!

1. Lebron ain't going to the Knicks.
2. I'm not in the media
3. I can't drink, I've got bronchitis

[keithy_19]

1. Lebron ain't going to the Knicks.
2. I'm not in the media
3. I can't drink, I've got bronchitis

1. Let's go Nets go.
2. Not even Naked News?
3. I'm sorry.

[Kevin]

1. Lebron ain't going to the Knicks.
2. I'm not in the media
3. I can't drink, I've got bronchitis

1: Thats what you said about CC
2: You and the media are of the same ilk.
3: I KNOW you drink.

[Kevin]

first of all, is it really something to brag about being right that a guy would take an offer 50+ mill more than the next best offer?

2nd of all, please dont do this. We got hippojinx on our side. Dont screw it up with your cockyness

1: It wasn't 50+ The Angels offered like 140
2: I heard the same Lebron garbage with him... He wants west coast, he isnt signing here, blah blah blah.

[Fillmore Slim]

No one will be after Lebron signs.

I'm giving my trademark BOOK it on this.

I was RIGHT about Arod

I was RIGHT about CC..

YOU AND THE REST OF THE NY HATING MEDIA WILL ONCE AGAIN CRY IN YOUR SHITTY DOMESTIC BEER!

or not

Sources say one team that all but eliminated itself with James in the presentation process was the New York Knicks. James met with the organization on Friday and his inner-circle has described New York’s presentation as lacking preparedness and organization. James’ camp also found it to be redundant to much of the New Jersey Nets’ far sharper, edgier presentation on James’ earning power.

[Snoogans]

or not

Sources say one team that all but eliminated itself with James in the presentation process was the New York Knicks. James met with the organization on Friday and his inner-circle has described New York’s presentation as lacking preparedness and organization. James’ camp also found it to be redundant to much of the New Jersey Nets’ far sharper, edgier presentation on James’ earning power.

sources are now sayin thats not true, and it was leaked by Miami and Pat Riley so that we would look bad to the other FAs they are tryin to sign

[Kevin]

or not

You mean the same HACK that reported and Agent telling him the Knicks will get shutout??

sources are now sayin thats not true, and it was leaked by Miami and Pat Riley so that we would look bad to the other FAs they are tryin to sign

Of course he did.

That's why Wade is going to leave them baron by going to the Bulls..

Karma is a bitch.

[epo]

sources are now sayin thats not true, and it was leaked by Miami and Pat Riley so that we would look bad to the other FAs they are tryin to sign

I believe that Riley would do that, and in some sick way it would work.

[keithy_19]

I believe that Riley would do that, and in some sick way it would work.

He has always reminded me of a politician.

[hanso]

If it's true that the home teams can offer far more than the others. Then this is all hype. And most players won't go anywhere.

[Snoogans]

If it's true that the home teams can offer far more than the others. Then this is all hype. And most players won't go anywhere.

i wouldnt call it far more. Teams can offer 5 years 97, teams the guy is already with can offer 6 years 119

[hanso]

The amount I saw for Lebron looked like far more.

[Snoogans]

The amount I saw for Lebron looked like far more.

i just told you what the limits were. Its an extra year that they can offer, thats the only reason it ends up that much more

[hanso]

I read the same in the paper 125m 6 yr. What I saw before was around 40 m figure to lebron not sure if its 1 yr, up front money or what. After seeing that all this must be hype. Unless the player/team has to split. The players will stay for a bigger payday.

[Kevin]

New York Knicks get second meeting with LeBron James' representatives in Cleveland (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/04/2010-07-04_knicks_granted_second_meeting_with_lebron.html)

The Knicks, who haven't give up on the dream of signing LeBron James, were granted a second meeting with the free agent superstar's representatives late Saturday in Cleveland, The Daily News has learned.

According to a Knicks official, Garden president Scott O'Neil and senior VP of Basketball Operations Glen Grunwald were dispatched to James' hometown and held a brief clandestine meeting with James' reps to make a second pitch to the two-time MVP.

But but.. I thought the Nets had "FrontRunner" Good presentation and the Knicks one was terrible??

[Snoogans]

New York Knicks get second meeting with LeBron James' representatives in Cleveland (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/04/2010-07-04_knicks_granted_second_meeting_with_lebron.html)



But but.. I thought the Nets had "FrontRunner" Good presentation and the Knicks one was terrible??

stop being a jinx. Just wait to see what happens please

[sailor]

New York Knicks get second meeting with LeBron James' representatives in Cleveland (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/04/2010-07-04_knicks_granted_second_meeting_with_lebron.html)



But but.. I thought the Nets had "FrontRunner" Good presentation and the Knicks one was terrible??

from what i heard in passing (so i could be completely off) the nets one slickly showed how much money he could make from advertising, et al. if he played in new york. all of which would apply to the knicks, probably even more so. even if they didn't send anyone to see him, the facts of what outside money he'd make while playing in ny would be unchanged. i'm very confused as to how they would be eliminated, if that is what they were saying was so great about the nets presentation.

[epo]

Just a reminder of who's available:

LeBron James
Dwayne Wade
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudemire
Joe Johnson
Carlos Boozer
Dirk Nowitzki
Paul Pierce
Rudy Gay
David Lee
JJ Reddick
Ray Allen

So what do we know so far?

Lebron - Not sure
DWade - Not sure
Bosh - Not sure
Amare - Knicks
Joe Johnson - ATL
Carlos Boozer - Not sure
Dirk Nowitzki - MAVS
Paul Pierce - Boston
Rudy Gay - Memphis
David Lee - Not sure
JJ Reddick- WHY IN THE BLOODY FUCK DID HAMMER PUT HIM ON THIS LIST?
Ray Allen - Probably Boston

Hopefully this week guys will start signing.

[Kevin]

from what i heard in passing (so i could be completely off) the nets one slickly showed how much money he could make from advertising, et al. if he played in new york. all of which would apply to the knicks, probably even more so. even if they didn't send anyone to see him, the facts of what outside money he'd make while playing in ny would be unchanged. i'm very confused as to how they would be eliminated, if that is what they were saying was so great about the nets presentation.

Basically i heard that their "Global Icon" pitch did not go well so they put out the Knick stuff because they were paranoid.

They were trying to make themselves look good so they can get a big FA to sign there and not the Knicks..

[NickyL0885]

New York Knicks get second meeting with LeBron James' representatives in Cleveland (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/2010/07/04/2010-07-04_knicks_granted_second_meeting_with_lebron.html)



But but.. I thought the Nets had "FrontRunner" Good presentation and the Knicks one was terrible??

That's ok. You can have Lebron. Knicks still won't win a title. Mike D plays no defense.

[Snoogans]

So what do we know so far?

Lebron - Not sure
DWade - Not sure
Bosh - Not sure
Amare - Knicks
Joe Johnson - ATL
Carlos Boozer - Not sure
Dirk Nowitzki - MAVS
Paul Pierce - Boston
Rudy Gay - Memphis
David Lee - Not sure
JJ Reddick- WHY IN THE BLOODY FUCK DID HAMMER PUT HIM ON THIS LIST?
Ray Allen - Probably Boston

Hopefully this week guys will start signing.

you forgot Richard jefferson

[sailor]

That's ok. You can have Lebron. Knicks still won't win a title. Mike D plays no defense.

cut him an ounce of slack.

[hanso]

Lebron stays (30 mil. reasons). As does Wade, he never met with Clv. Bosh may go with Wade or some other team he has met with.He hasn't been on good terms with Tor.

[Kevin]

Lebron stays (30 mil. reasons). As does Wade, he never met with Clv. Bosh may go with Wade or some other team he has met with.He hasn't been on good terms with Tor.

You justed parroted everything espn has been telling Hansotub.

[razorboy]

You justed parroted everything espn has been telling Hansotub.

He's totally stealing your bit.

[hanso]

What I've seen on espn is overblown hype that everyone is going everywhere. They are just drumming up the sport.

[epo]

you forgot Richard jefferson

Hammersavage didn't put him on the list...plus he's garbage anyways.

[spoon]

He's totally stealing your bit.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Kevin]

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Way to jump on the makes no sense bandwagon

Hold on...

The Jays just dropped another fly ball!

[spoon]

that makes plenty of sense

and yes they did, it's toronto

good thing it was in ny so it goes as an inside the park home run! not surprised at all

[Rhah]

I love how nobody is mentioning any of them still thinking about going to Chicago...

damn East Coast Bias :smoke:

[spoon]

I love how nobody is mentioning any of them still thinking about going to Chicago...

damn East Coast Bias :smoke:

no no, it's all anti ny bias

NOBODY is going to the knicks, met, jets, giants, or yanks.



ps - thanks for an amazing laugh kevin! ASPN is just hilarious! :laugh:

[hammersavage]

So what do we know so far?

Lebron - Not sure
DWade - Not sure
Bosh - Not sure
Amare - Knicks
Joe Johnson - ATL
Carlos Boozer - Not sure
Dirk Nowitzki - MAVS
Paul Pierce - Boston
Rudy Gay - Memphis
David Lee - Not sure
JJ Reddick- WHY IN THE BLOODY FUCK DID HAMMER PUT HIM ON THIS LIST?
Ray Allen - Probably Boston

Hopefully this week guys will start signing.

because he's not bad. he'll be an important piece when he plays next to Wade or Lebron.

[epo]

because he's not bad. he'll be an important piece when he plays next to Wade or Lebron.

Stop it. He's a complimentary piece, akin to a Steve Kerr....but not somebody who belongs on that list of big free agents.

[disneyspy]

just saw on twitter that lebron's agent says he will stay in cleveland and take a 30 million increase in pay

http://twitter.com/home#search?q=Lebron%20James

[hammersavage]

Stop it. He's a complimentary piece, akin to a Steve Kerr....but not somebody who belongs on that list of big free agents.



I was putting them in order of importance for the most part. He was near the bottom. I think he's gonna be an important complimentary piece.

And the Steve Blake signing is the best deal so far. Really reasonable money for a guy who's gonna play some big minutes for them.

[spoon]

Stop it. He's a complimentary piece, akin to a Steve Kerr....but not somebody who belongs on that list of big free agents.

You stop, Steve Kerr is a legend and should be worshiped you heathen!

[epo]

A Knicks official on Amare:

"We have verbally agreed with the best Knick since Patrick Ewing," said a team official speaking on condition of anonymity because free-agent signings aren't official until July 8.

That's just sad.

[NickyL0885]

A Knicks official on Amare:



That's just sad.

He hasn't played a game for them yet and he is already the best since Ewing? Yeesh. If the Knicks lose Lee, then this move doesnt make then better. Amare may be more athletic then Lee but other then that......

[razorboy]

He hasn't played a game for them yet and he is already the best since Ewing? Yeesh. If the Knicks lose Lee, then this move doesnt make then better. Amare may be more athletic then Lee but other then that......

Hey, he's more expensive too. That fits the Knicks' M.O.

[Kevin]

He hasn't played a game for them yet and he is already the best since Ewing? Yeesh. If the Knicks lose Lee, then this move doesnt make then better. Amare may be more athletic then Lee but other then that......

Awww is the Nets fan feeling left out??

Come on

YOU HAVE THE BLUE PRINT FOR SUCCESS...

[NickyL0885]

Awww is the Nets fan feeling left out??

Come on

YOU HAVE THE BLUE PRINT FOR SUCCESS...

I'll take the Russian Mark Cuban over James Dolan any day of the week. 20 mil a yr on a guy with questionable knees and plays no D? You can have him.

[epo]

I'll take the Russian Mark Cuban over James Dolan any day of the week. 20 mil a yr on a guy with questionable knees and plays no D? You can have him.

Don't forget that Amare is lazy and doesn't do the little things.

[spoon]

Awww is the Nets fan feeling left out??

Come on

YOU HAVE THE BLUE PRINT FOR SUCCESS...

This from the guy who quit on the knicks hours before they made the signing bc he was sick of them not getting anyone like the yankee spoiled bitch he is. Sorry, do I need to say that in albanian baby talk for you to understand cootchy cootchy? WTF Kev?

You made up a rumor tied to espn and bitched about being bullshit. THEN you go and believe it and quit on ur team as soon as they dig out of being millions over the cap and having no room to add in any capacity. So you hear the "rumors" that they aren't getting anyone, especially LeBron (bc "they did all this JUST to get him"), and you jump ship.

You've become what you make fun of Kevincakes.

[Snoogans]

I'll take the Russian Mark Cuban over James Dolan any day of the week. 20 mil a yr on a guy with questionable knees and plays no D? You can have him.
ill say right now unless he gets hurt, amar'e is better than bosh. I still dont understand why everyone thinks bosh is so fuckin good. Personally ida kept david lee, but if signin amar'e is really what made Melo wanna come here, then Im fine with it.


Don't forget that Amare is lazy and doesn't do the little things.

Name me a center or PF in the league who does do all the little things and isnt lazy and is also good

[Kevin]

This from the guy who quit on the knicks hours before they made the signing bc he was sick of them not getting anyone like the yankee spoiled bitch he is. Sorry, do I need to say that in albanian baby talk for you to understand cootchy cootchy? WTF Kev?

You made up a rumor tied to espn and bitched about being bullshit. THEN you go and believe it and quit on ur team as soon as they dig out of being millions over the cap and having no room to add in any capacity. So you hear the "rumors" that they aren't getting anyone, especially LeBron (bc "they did all this JUST to get him"), and you jump ship.

You've become what you make fun of Kevincakes.

Who's Parroting Snoogans now??

Good work..

[spoon]

Who's Parroting Snoogans now??

Good work..

Nope, we laughed about you being one step short of retarded together. Not to mention I was making fun of your ny bias hype bullshit all week, this just added to the fun! :lol:

[keithy_19]

ill say right now unless he gets hurt, amar'e is better than bosh. I still dont understand why everyone thinks bosh is so fuckin good. Personally ida kept david lee, but if signin amar'e is really what made Melo wanna come here, then Im fine with it.


Bosh is frightening. I think just the way he looks gives him an advantage.

[Kevin]

I'll take the Russian Mark Cuban over James Dolan any day of the week. 20 mil a yr on a guy with questionable knees and plays no D? You can have him.

You do realize Cuban is a shitty owner right?

You have fun with Scrooge Mcduck and Tyrus Thomas..

And oh yea..

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/0ePQKD9iBfU&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

[Fillmore Slim]

Wade and Bosh to Miami.

[hammersavage]

Wade and Bosh to Miami.

they join Chalmers, Beasley and newly drafter DeSean Butler (who I like), Dexter Pittman (decent size), and Jarvis Varnado.

That's still pretty fucking weak. Take any cap money they have (if Lebron doesn't join them) and get Felton, Craig Smith, maybe Reddick and then they can compete.

[Fillmore Slim]

they join Chalmers, Beasley and newly drafter DeSean Butler (who I like), Dexter Pittman (decent size), and Jarvis Varnado.

That's still pretty fucking weak. Take any cap money they have (if Lebron doesn't join them) and get Felton, Craig Smith, maybe Reddick and then they can compete.

They are in talks with Portland to acquire Miller or Fernandez, maybe both. Mike Miller and Kyle Korver are other options.

[KnoxHarrington]

You do realize Cuban is a shitty owner right?

You have fun with Scrooge Mcduck and Tyrus Thomas..



I saw a column a while back, when the Mavericks bombed out of the playoffs early yet again, that wondered if Cuban is creating a culture of losing around the Mavs with his constant bitching about the refs. That is, if the atmosphere is "Why bother, the refs are going to fuck us anyway" with the Mavs.

I'm not quite sure that that's the Mavs' only problem, but it certainly does make sense. When a team has a hands-on owner who never shuts the fuck up like Cuban, it does take on some of his personality traits.

[epo]

I saw a column a while back, when the Mavericks bombed out of the playoffs early yet again, that wondered if Cuban is creating a culture of losing around the Mavs with his constant bitching about the refs. That is, if the atmosphere is "Why bother, the refs are going to fuck us anyway" with the Mavs.

I'm not quite sure that that's the Mavs' only problem, but it certainly does make sense. When a team has a hands-on owner who never shuts the fuck up like Cuban, it does take on some of his personality traits.

Either that or his teams are generally collections of very good talent that don't play defense.

[Kevin]

Lebron, Amare and Allen Houston having dinner in NYC.


DON'T EVER DOUBT ME AGAIN!

[epo]

Lebron, Amare and Allen Houston having dinner in NYC.


DON'T EVER DOUBT ME AGAIN!

Allen Houston is coming out of retirement?

[NickyL0885]

Either that or his teams are generally collections of very good talent that don't play defense.

EPO, a man who gets it.

[razorboy]

You should start a pro athelete dinner prediction thread.

[Kevin]

Allen Houston is coming out of retirement?

He is the Assistant GM..

He was with the Knicks when they went to Bron last week.

Prob the Next GM of the Knicks.

[spoon]

espn never reports anything involving ny teams

ur mad

[razorboy]

He is the Assistant GM..

He was with the Knicks when they went to Bron last week.

Prob the Next GM of the Knicks.

He probably remembers how to spell his name too.

[Snoogans]

espn never reports anything involving ny teams

ur mad

this was on ESPN New York, so its different

[Fallon]

Lebron, Amare and Allen Houston having dinner in NYC.


DON'T EVER DOUBT ME AGAIN!

Lebron is in town for Carmelo's wedding this weekend.

[Snoogans]

Lebron is in town for Carmelo's wedding this weekend.

dude. I wouldnt even have dinner with allen houston. It has to mean something

[NickyL0885]

dude. I wouldnt even have dinner with allen houston. It has to mean something

Perhaps he just wants a free meal. Come on, who can turn down a free meal?!?

[Snoogans]

Perhaps he just wants a free meal. Come on, who can turn down a free meal?!?

the only thing id let Allen Houston do for me is install my cable modem

[NickyL0885]

the only thing id let Allen Houston do for me is install my cable modem

How long till the modem brakes down?

[Snoogans]

How long till the modem brakes down?

i dont have brakes on my modem. It doesnt need to stop

[hammersavage]

Its gonna fucking kill me if he says the Heat tonight.


Its a no win situation for him. First, they probably won't be as good as people think because the rest of the roster will blow. Secondly, so what if he wins a championship. He should with those two around him. It does nothing for his legacy.

Prokhorov said it best, it hurts the LeBron brand. Its such a losing proposition. Whereas staying in Cleveland, going to the Knicks have such huge upsides. Even Chicago to a somewhat lesser extent and New Jersey even lesser. But still, those places have a foreseeable formula for him to be a legend. I just don't see it at all in Miami.


But as far as people backlashing against the spectacle that the show tonight has become, I don't get it. If you were against the entire hype of the free agency period from the beginning, ok you don't have to be into it. But if not, this is the best payoff possible.

It became a pop culturally significant situation the past couple of weeks. What better way than to have it lead up to a definite moment on national TV? I think its a no brainer. It might be a little self promoting, but he never had this moment before in high school and it is going to a good cause (which is very convenient).

And fuck the media who are the very people who build the hype who when the show tonight was announced suddenly got magnanimous and high and mighty when the very payoff they wanted comes around. The same way that some ESPN anchors slyly complain about the Brett Favre coverage when its their own fault it got out of hand.

[epo]

DON'T EVER DOUBT ME AGAIN!

I doubt you.

[TheGameHHH]

And David Lee agrees to a sign and trade to the Warriors for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike.

[hammersavage]

And David Lee agrees to a sign and trade to the Warriors for Anthony Randolph, Ronny Turiaf and Kelenna Azubuike.

if they couldn't keep him, I think its a really good deal for the Knicks. Good size in return, we'll see how they stack up offensively in D'Antoni's system.

Get Felton and the Knicks can be .500 next year with money to spend next year. Almost like a long term plan.

[underdog]

I don't know why there's any discussion on where Wade and Lebron end up. They should team up and just play in Miami. Why would anyone not want to play in Miami?

Whoa. That was in November. I got one right!

[Kevin]

if they couldn't keep him, I think its a really good deal for the Knicks. Good size in return, we'll see how they stack up offensively in D'Antoni's system.

Get Felton and the Knicks can be .500 next year with money to spend next year. Almost like a long term plan.

Felton is about to sign a 3 yr 21mil deal

I really like the way this team is shaping up.

We are young big and fast, with some real good shooters.

If we can somehow get Melo, We are a contender.

[disneyspy]

[QUOTE=Kevin;2740914

If we can somehow get Melo, We are a contender.[/QUOTE]

you just keepin hopin there, hippo

[epo]

Felton is about to sign a 3 yr 21mil deal

I really like the way this team is shaping up.

We are young big and fast, with some real good shooters.

If we can somehow get Melo, We are a contender.

No you aren't.

[Kevin]

No you aren't.

Yes we are

[Kevin]

you just keepin hopin there, hippo

Learn how to use the quote button first, OLD MAN

[disneyspy]

Yes we are

<div style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><embed src="http://media.entertonement.com/embed/OpenEntPlayer.swf" id="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0" name="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0" flashvars="auto_play=false&clip_pid=tmpsbzzckb&e=&id=1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0&skin_pid=wfxswdnlkf" width="300" height="30" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" allowscriptaccess="always" wmode="transparent"></embed><div id="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0_anchor" style="font-size: 8px; color: black; text-decoration: none; display: block; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.entertonement.com/clips/tmpsbzzckb--A320-50-30-20-Retard-RetardAviation-" style="font-size: 8px; color: black;" target="_blank">A320 50-30-20- Retard Retard sound bite</a> &nbsp;<a href="http://www.entertonement.com/collections/976/Aviation?ht_link=1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b 841a0" style="font-size: 8px; color: black;" target="_blank">Aviation sound bites</a></div><img alt="A320 50-30-20- Retard Retard sound bite" border="0" height="0" src="http://www.entertonement.com/widgets/img/clip/tmpsbzzckb/1/1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0/blank.gif" style="visibility: hidden; width: 0px; height: 0px; margin:0; padding:0; float:right" width="0" /></div>

[epo]

Yes we are

Even IF you got Carmelo, which is still unlikely, I'd love to know how a Mike D'Antoni coached team that is not physical nor plays defense will be a real factor in the East.

[Kevin]

<div style="float: left; margin-right: 10px;"><embed src="http://media.entertonement.com/embed/OpenEntPlayer.swf" id="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0" name="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0" flashvars="auto_play=false&clip_pid=tmpsbzzckb&e=&id=1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0&skin_pid=wfxswdnlkf" width="300" height="30" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashplayer" allowscriptaccess="always" wmode="transparent"></embed><div id="1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0_anchor" style="font-size: 8px; color: black; text-decoration: none; display: block; text-align: center;"><a href="http://www.entertonement.com/clips/tmpsbzzckb--A320-50-30-20-Retard-RetardAviation-" style="font-size: 8px; color: black;" target="_blank">A320 50-30-20- Retard Retard sound bite</a> &nbsp;<a href="http://www.entertonement.com/collections/976/Aviation?ht_link=1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b 841a0" style="font-size: 8px; color: black;" target="_blank">Aviation sound bites</a></div><img alt="A320 50-30-20- Retard Retard sound bite" border="0" height="0" src="http://www.entertonement.com/widgets/img/clip/tmpsbzzckb/1/1_e7573d08_8bb9_11df_8120_0019b9b841a0/blank.gif" style="visibility: hidden; width: 0px; height: 0px; margin:0; padding:0; float:right" width="0" /></div>

Have you ever watched an NBA game?

[Snoogans]

Even IF you got Carmelo, which is still unlikely, I'd love to know how a Mike D'Antoni coached team that is not physical nor plays defense will be a real factor in the East.

im hoping, HOPING, that the defensive minded guys that we got continue to be defensive even without the coach making them.

They still have a chance to "contend" but its alot like how the suns had the chance too. But never fear, cause we will still have the team and hopefully Melo once they get a real coach. THEN, my friends, then is our time

[epo]

im hoping, HOPING, that the defensive minded guys that we got continue to be defensive even without the coach making them.

They still have a chance to "contend" but its alot like how the suns had the chance too. But never fear, cause we will still have the team and hopefully Melo once they get a real coach. THEN, my friends, then is our time

I read an interesting interview this season with Don Nelson, who admitted that your team will only be as good defensively as your best player. Its an interesting point when you think about the personality of teams.

So with a roster of Amare, Gallinari, Felton and potentially Melo in the future....I don't know how that team would ever play D.

[Snoogans]

I read an interesting interview this season with Don Nelson, who admitted that your team will only be as good defensively as your best player. Its an interesting point when you think about the personality of teams.

So with a roster of Amare, Gallinari, Felton and potentially Melo in the future....I don't know how that team would ever play D.

thats why i really like the deal with GS. We grabbed 3 solid defenders. Azibuike is a really good wing perimeter defender, Randolph is an athlete so he blocks shots but he isnt what id call excellent yet. Turiaf is all Defense and really not a bad guy to stick at C next to Amare and so ok Amare, you go score, Ronnie, you just defend and rebound

[Kevin]

I read an interesting interview this season with Don Nelson, who admitted that your team will only be as good defensively as your best player. Its an interesting point when you think about the personality of teams.

So with a roster of Amare, Gallinari, Felton and potentially Melo in the future....I don't know how that team would ever play D.

Did you just quote Don Nelson?

[epo]

Did you just quote Don Nelson?

Yes I did: (http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/04/exclusive-don-nelson-q-a/)

SLAM: Even though you’re now known as an offensive-minded coach, your teams in Milwaukee were excellent defensively, with players like Sidney Moncrief who would pressure people all the way up the court. The way the Warriors play today is very different. Is that an evolution of the game, have you evolved, or is it a question of personnel?

DN: My team in New York was a pretty good defensive team, too, and they continued to play good defense when I was there.

A lot of it has to do with the character of your team. If your best player is a good defender it really helps. It’s a contagious thing. Moncrief was one of the great defenders and everybody else got in line, guarded, and did the best they could. And of course I had three big centers who didn’t mind giving fouls. So we were hard to score on.

When your best player isn’t a very good defensive player, it works in reverse. If you look at some of the other teams I had, like the teams I had here, Chris Mullin wasn’t a very good defender but he was our best player. Dirk Nowitzki and (Steve) Nash are great players, but they’re not great defenders. They make a huge impact in other ways. You’ve got to make adjustments as a coach. You can’t make demands on those guys. You can work hard at it, you can try all you want, but they’re not going to be very good at guarding the defensive end. You make adjustments because those guys have to be on the floor, because they’re your best players.

Its actually a solid interview. Nelson must have been sober that day.

[Snoogans]

Yes I did: (http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/04/exclusive-don-nelson-q-a/)



Its actually a solid interview. Nelson must have been sober that day.

i think nelson sober would make a terrible interview. Get him a scotch

[epo]

i think nelson sober would make a terrible interview. Get him a scotch

I know that in Golden State he often does his radio interviews from a cigar bar. Not that this shocks anyone...

[Snoogans]

so fuckin awesome:

MIAMI -- Done deal. LeBron James and Chris Bosh are members of the Miami Heat.

The Heat completed sign-and-trade deals with Cleveland and Toronto on Friday night for their two newest superstars. The Heat sent two future first-round and two second-round picks to the Cavaliers for James, while packaging two first-round picks to the Raptors for Bosh.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher that Toronto reacquired their first-round selection in 2011, which Miami had from a 2009 trade that sent Shawn Marion to the Raptors, and added the Heat's own first rounder in 2011.

Miami then sent their first-round picks in 2013 and 2015 to the Cavaliers and Cleveland has the option to swap first-round picks in 2012, according to a league source.

first off let me say im fine with the teams doin it. Gonna lose the guys anyway, might as well take the picks

AND HAHAHAHAHAHA. Nice job miami. Trade away most of the way you are gonna be able to put guys around these 3.

[Dudeman]

If I were Cleveland, I'd just start putting myself in the same position NJ, NY, Miami, Chicago were this year for 5 years from now. They are going to have anything in the near future, so you might as well try to get lebron back when this contract is up.

[Kevin]

If I were Cleveland, I'd just start putting myself in the same position NJ, NY, Miami, Chicago were this year for 5 years from now. They are going to have anything in the near future, so you might as well try to get lebron back when this contract is up.

He has a 4yr opt out..

And u cant tank 4 years for this gutless bum.

[TheGameHHH]

go ahead, pin your hopes on Melo just like you did with LeBron. Why would he want to jump to a shitty team in the East and face the three headed monster in Miami when he can just sign his extension, get paid and not have to worry about the CBA, lockout or getting his ass stomped in the East?

[hanso]

thats why i really like the deal with GS. We grabbed 3 solid defenders. Azibuike is a really good wing perimeter defender, Randolph is an athlete so he blocks shots but he isnt what id call excellent yet. Turiaf is all Defense and really not a bad guy to stick at C next to Amare and so ok Amare, you go score, Ronnie, you just defend and rebound

The thing is you traded your best shooter outside of Amare. Who himself is injury prone.

[Snoogans]

The thing is you traded your best shooter outside of Amare. Who himself is injury prone.

all we traded was david lee. His range is about 15 feet. We still have Gallo, who is far and away our best shooter.

Are you high?

[Snoogans]

go ahead, pin your hopes on Melo just like you did with LeBron. Why would he want to jump to a shitty team in the East and face the three headed monster in Miami when he can just sign his extension, get paid and not have to worry about the CBA, lockout or getting his ass stomped in the East?

i didnt pin my hopes on anyone. The team as it is is better. With room to get better. Thats all I said.

[TheGameHHH]

i didnt pin my hopes on anyone. The team as it is is better. With room to get better. Thats all I said.

of course your team is "better" i could assemble 5 guys from rucker park that could be better with room to improve.

[Snoogans]

of course your team is "better" i could assemble 5 guys from rucker park that could be better with room to improve.

they are potential playoff better with room to keep gettin gbetter now. they havent had that in forever. Dont kill them right now. They did the best they possibly could have

[hanso]

all we traded was david lee. His range is about 15 feet. We still have Gallo, who is far and away our best shooter.

Are you high?

Pot calling the kettle there sir. Lee can shoot outside. The Knicks never let him try. Just watch him do so now on his new team. Gallinari is good when his outside shots on or he gets to the line alot.

David Lee - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3956
pts / reb / ast / pct
20.2 - 11.7 - 3.6 - 54.5

Danilo Gallinari - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4468
pts / reb / ast / pct
15.1 - 4.9 - 1.7 - 42.6

[Snoogans]

Pot calling the kettle there sir. Lee can hit 3's. the Knicks never let him try. Just watch him do so now on his new team. Gallinari is good when his outside shots on or he gets to the line alot.

David Lee - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3956
pts / reb / ast / pct
20.2 - 11.7 - 3.6 - 54.5

Danilo Gallinari - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4468
pts / reb / ast / pct
15.1 - 4.9 - 1.7 - 42.6

of course lee has a higher %. He is a power forward. he gets put backs and dunks lay ups. He does NOT shoot 3's

oh and david lee is 0-13 from 3. IN HIS CAREER. You have NO FUCKIN CLUE. Go away and stop now

[Snoogans]

shaq is 1-22. SHAQ HAS HIT MORE 3's THAN DAVID LEE

[hanso]

15 ft range??? You go away. His stats last season are among the best. And why did you change my post?

All I said is he is a pure shooter. Despite everything else. I have seen his form. The guy can drop the rock.

[Snoogans]

15 ft range??? You go away. His stats last season are among the best. And why did you change my post?

All I said is he is a pure shooter. Despite everything else. I have seen his form. The guy can drop the rock.

good try. I quoted you. You went back an edited. you said he could shoot 3's. Way to be such a faggot. you said it. Man up to what you said. And he is NOT a pure shooter. Look at his stats from when he came in. He has worked to extend his range. I WATCH BASICALLY EVERY KNICKS GAME. Stop tellin me what lee is. Any Center has a higher fg%. Shaq even led the league in FG% one year. You gonna tell me he is a great shooter?

Regardless, you edited a post to try to look less dumb. Go away now, Im completely done with you

[Kevin]

of course your team is "better" i could assemble 5 guys from rucker park that could be better with room to improve.



What are you now, A three Queens fan?

[Snoogans]

of course your team is "better" i could assemble 5 guys from rucker park that could be better with room to improve.

why dont you leave this discussion to the fans who have actually watched teams rebuild instead of the fans that just start rooting once a team is good

[Kevin]

why dont you leave this discussion to the fans who have actually watched teams rebuild instead of the fans that just start rooting once a team is good



Come on

The Yanks rebuilt from a non playoff team to a championship team in one offseason.

[Snoogans]

Come on

The Yanks rebuilt from a non playoff team to a championship team in one offseason.

when? Didnt you guys lose in the playoffs to seattle in 95?

[Kevin]

when? Didnt you guys lose in the playoffs to seattle in 95?



The year before this.

We scouted those unkown talents in Teixera and CC.

It was a building process.

[Snoogans]

The year before this.

We scouted those unkown talents in Teixera and CC.

It was a building process.

by scout you mean paid 60 mill more than you had to?

[Kevin]

by scout you mean paid 60 mill more than you had to?



Only 20

Angels offerd him 140

[spoon]

He has a 4yr opt out..

And u cant tank 4 years for this gutless bum.

ok, now u look like the cav's idiot owner, only ur a fan of a team that had no actual claim to the guy

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[spoon]

they are potential playoff better with room to keep gettin gbetter now. they havent had that in forever. Dont kill them right now. They did the best they possibly could have

well we all know the Cleveland spot in the playoffs has opened up...ooo I'm sorry, they're on a championship run now that Bron is gone. :lol:

[Kevin]

ok, now u look like the cav's idiot owner, only ur a fan of a team that had no actual claim to the guy

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Seriously?


So a guy who calls himself "The King" "The Chosen one"

Did not want to go to a team where it can be "HIS" team?

But goes to a player with another alpha male just to get the pressure out?

I'm not even talking Knicks.

He could have gone to the Bulls and be with a damn good team and win and be the man.

The guy is a gutless pussy who did not want the pressure.

I'm more disappointed in him than i am mad.

The Knicks will be fine.

He threw his legacy in the garbage.

Please just stop it already.

[spoon]

WAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I guess it's different and it was Bosh, Amare and him in NY!?

hahahahaaha!

fucking baby ny fans waaaaaaa!

pay your bet bitch!

[hanso]

good try. I quoted you. You went back an edited. you said he could shoot 3's. Way to be such a faggot. you said it. Man up to what you said. And he is NOT a pure shooter. Look at his stats from when he came in. He has worked to extend his range. I WATCH BASICALLY EVERY KNICKS GAME. Stop tellin me what lee is. Any Center has a higher fg%. Shaq even led the league in FG% one year. You gonna tell me he is a great shooter?

Regardless, you edited a post to try to look less dumb. Go away now, Im completely done with you

You watched every Knick game. I have watched NBA a wee bit longer than you lad. Trust me I know when I see something. And for your snippy coments I hope your fucking Knicks crash and burn. Amere goes down along with your new dirty ass center.

[Kevin]

WAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

I guess it's different and it was Bosh, Amare and him in NY!?

hahahahaaha!

fucking baby ny fans waaaaaaa!

pay your bet bitch!

First of all.

Bosh And Amare play the same position.

So it would not work

2nd of all

It would be just him and Amare with a decent supporting cast, where HE would be the man

HIS team.

Or the Bulls with Boozer and Rose, where once again HE would be the man.

He just pussied out, He ran away from the spotlight and responsibility.

At this point you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

I have a hard time believing that a man with your personality agrees with the decision Lebron James made, even if you dont care about the sport.

Either you do not not know much of the situation, in which case you should not be commenting on something you do not know.

Or

Like I said, you are just agruing for the sake of arguing.

[Kevin]

You watched every Knick game. I have watched NBA a wee bit longer than you lad. Trust me I know when I see something. And for your snippy coments I hope your fucking Knicks crash and burn. Amere goes down along with your new dirty ass center.

Just because you have been around longer does not mean that you know more.

The fact is you made a stupid comment and then tried to hide it.

He caught you.

The End

Don't wish anyone bad because you made a mistake.

He was probably a bit snippy at it, but still admit your mistake.

Its stupid to compare someones FG% that shoots mainly mid range and inside, to a guy that shoots mainly from 3.

[hanso]

I hide nothing . You can't edit a post? I had done so before he posted. Not sure how that worked out. And I made a joke out of it. Dude should lighten up anyway.

He is the one that picked him as shooter not me. All the highlights I saw of the guy (Lee) he was not under the basket.

[Kevin]

I hide nothing . You can't edit a post? I had done so before he posteded. Not sure how that worked out. And I made a joke out of it. Dude should lighten up anyway.

You coulda said sorry i did not mean 3pt..

It just looked like you tried to hide a mistake thats all.

[Dan 'Hampton]

The fact that Lee, a gawky white guy was the Knicks best player is all that needs to be said about the state of the Knicks.

[Kevin]

The fact that Lee, a gawky white guy was the Knicks best player is all that needs to be said about the state of the Knicks.

Lee was pretty good man.

Don't hate on him

He put up those stats against the rest of the NBA not the Knicks

Your argument really holds no water.

He has been a top 5 rebounder in the league for years now.

[Dan 'Hampton]

And you got rid of him. Nice!

[hanso]

You coulda said sorry i did not mean 3pt..

It just looked like you tried to hide a mistake thats all.

Was just a dumb internet joke. And if someome don't take many shots outside. You can't say hes a shooter (i.e.shoots well) is new to me. Sounds looney. Whatever.

[hanso]

I hide nothing . You can't edit a post? I had done so before he posted. Not sure how that worked out. And I made a joke out of it. Dude should lighten up anyway.

He is the one that picked him as shooter not me. All the shooting highlights I saw of the guy (Lee) he was not under the basket.

I've had poster block lately. Ok I'm done editing if anyone wants to rail on me.

[Kevin]

Was just a dumb internet joke. And if someome don't take many shots outside. You can't say hes a shooter (i.e.shoots well) is new to me. Sounds looney. Whatever.

Its different shooting from 14 15ft than it is 22 23 ft however long the 3pt line is.

Gallo is a far better shoot than Lee.

Hell he is one of the best shooter in the league period.

[hanso]

He must of had a slump. Or his pts average would have been higher. Yes he is among the better three pointers out there. Still with a high shots made average let me see the stat brb

38.1 % pretty good.

[hanso]

Its different shooting from 14 15ft than it is 22 23 ft however long the 3pt line is.

Gallo is a far better shoot than Lee.

Hell he is one of the best shooter in the league period.

Gallo also drove the lane alot.

[Snoogans]

You watched every Knick game. I have watched NBA a wee bit longer than you lad. Trust me I know when I see something. And for your snippy coments I hope your fucking Knicks crash and burn. Amere goes down along with your new dirty ass center.

what snippy comments. you said something, i called you out, then you tried to edit to make it look like you never said it. Thats a complete bitch move. THATS why im done with you. If you wanna debate something fine. David Lee is a PF. yea he will occasionally knock down 18-20 footers. You said he hits 3's. he never hit one in his LIFE. Then you tried to edit it away and act like i was wrong.

And on top of it, you act like a guy is a better shooter cause his % was higher. If you watched NBA so fuckin long, you would know PF and Centers usually lead the league in FG% cause most of the shots are close to the basket. Shit dwight howard shoots over 50%. You really think he is a better shooter than Gallo? You are insane.

But we can debate all you want. When you edit shit and try to act like you never said it, then I am done with you. Please, leave me alone now

[Snoogans]

I hide nothing . You can't edit a post? I had done so before he posted. Not sure how that worked out. And I made a joke out of it. Dude should lighten up anyway.

He is the one that picked him as shooter not me. All the highlights I saw of the guy (Lee) he was not under the basket.

you said he hits 3's. Then you edited it after I quoted. Then you accused me of changing your post. You never said you edited your mistake. You calimed I edited your post in my quote. You are a spineless pussy

[Snoogans]

Pot calling the kettle there sir. Lee can shoot outside. The Knicks never let him try. Just watch him do so now on his new team. Gallinari is good when his outside shots on or he gets to the line alot.

David Lee - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3956
pts / reb / ast / pct
20.2 - 11.7 - 3.6 - 54.5

Danilo Gallinari - 2010 http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4468
pts / reb / ast / pct
15.1 - 4.9 - 1.7 - 42.6

Orignally this said david lee can hit 3's. then you edited to change it AFTER i said this:

of course lee has a higher %. He is a power forward. he gets put backs and dunks lay ups. He does NOT shoot 3's

oh and david lee is 0-13 from 3. IN HIS CAREER. You have NO FUCKIN CLUE. Go away and stop now

then after i said that you said the next thing

15 ft range??? You go away. His stats last season are among the best. And why did you change my post?

All I said is he is a pure shooter. Despite everything else. I have seen his form. The guy can drop the rock.

I DIDNT CHANGE IT. You edited it after and then accused me of editing your thing. And then you act like im a douche?

[Snoogans]

Gallo also drove the lane alot.

he started to later in the year when they took away the outside shot. The first half of the year he was just basically bombing threes and hitting around 40%. They started to crowd him so he really had no choice

[hanso]

It was at the same time. Relax calm down, it was a joke.

[hanso]

The thrid from last game vs Mia he went 1-9 three point land. But was 8-8 at the line. I can go forever on this. Let's just change to something else.

[hanso]

The Heat should try to pick up Žydrūnas Ilgauskas. Just to irk Cle fans even more.

[hammersavage]

I read somewhere online today that said 'Lebron may have went south but his mom went West' and it made me chuckle.

[Kevin]

I read somewhere online today that said 'Lebron may have went south but his mom went West' and it made me chuckle.

And West went south.

[Kevin]

Russian center Timofey Mozgov will sign a three year, 9.7 million dollar contract with the New York Knicks. Knicks will pay Khimki 500k USD.

Mozgov has been rated DraftExpress' #1 International Free Agent prospect for the past two years. Big, strong athletic center w/nice upside


Mozgov can play guys. He's a big body and super athletic guy who rebounds, block shots and finishes really well around the rim.

Defensively, Mozgov is a major presence, as he’s extremely difficult to post up on the block and has all the size, length and athleticism needed to swallow up opposing centers whole, and then grab the ensuing rebound for good measure. He blocks one shot for every 9 minutes he’s on the floor, and grabs a rebound every 3 minutes, which obviously makes him one of the more productive players you’ll find at his position in Europe”

23yrs old.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Blueprint for success cant even sign a RUSSIAN..


Fucking Yankees.. THEY ONLY SIGN INTERNATIONAL FA's..

Oh wait...

[Kevin]

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xZr2qOXQJ4w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xZr2qOXQJ4w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

One of the funniest stuff ever,

[NickyL0885]

Russian center Timofey Mozgov will sign a three year, 9.7 million dollar contract with the New York Knicks. Knicks will pay Khimki 500k USD.

Mozgov has been rated DraftExpress' #1 International Free Agent prospect for the past two years. Big, strong athletic center w/nice upside


Mozgov can play guys. He's a big body and super athletic guy who rebounds, block shots and finishes really well around the rim.

Defensively, Mozgov is a major presence, as he’s extremely difficult to post up on the block and has all the size, length and athleticism needed to swallow up opposing centers whole, and then grab the ensuing rebound for good measure. He blocks one shot for every 9 minutes he’s on the floor, and grabs a rebound every 3 minutes, which obviously makes him one of the more productive players you’ll find at his position in Europe”

23yrs old.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Blueprint for success cant even sign a RUSSIAN..


Fucking Yankees.. THEY ONLY SIGN INTERNATIONAL FA's..

Oh wait...

Nets don't need a center. The have Lopez.

[Kevin]

Nets don't need a center. The have Lopez.

I was being sarcastic..

I think you signed a backup C

Petrov or whatever.

[razorboy]

I was being sarcastic..

I think you signed a backup C

Petrov or whatever.


And you still bew it.

[Kevin]

And you still bew it.

On my nuts again I see...

[hammersavage]

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/xZr2qOXQJ4w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/xZr2qOXQJ4w&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

One of the funniest stuff ever,

awesome

[razorboy]

On my nuts again I see...

You wish, freak.

Tell me again where Lebron and Cliff Lee are going.

[spoon]

Seriously?


So a guy who calls himself "The King" "The Chosen one"

Did not want to go to a team where it can be "HIS" team?

But goes to a player with another alpha male just to get the pressure out?

I'm not even talking Knicks.

He could have gone to the Bulls and be with a damn good team and win and be the man.

The guy is a gutless pussy who did not want the pressure.

I'm more disappointed in him than i am mad.

The Knicks will be fine.

He threw his legacy in the garbage.

Please just stop it already.

First of all.

Bosh And Amare play the same position.

So it would not work

2nd of all

It would be just him and Amare with a decent supporting cast, where HE would be the man

HIS team.

Or the Bulls with Boozer and Rose, where once again HE would be the man.

He just pussied out, He ran away from the spotlight and responsibility.

At this point you are arguing for the sake of arguing.

I have a hard time believing that a man with your personality agrees with the decision Lebron James made, even if you dont care about the sport.

Either you do not not know much of the situation, in which case you should not be commenting on something you do not know.

Or

Like I said, you are just agruing for the sake of arguing.

Wow you're such a hypocrite and wrong as possible.

First off my point was you were fine with him and a cast of others, regardless of who, coming to the knicks and making them a contender over night. Nothing is different in the situation that actually happened.

Second, it can be argued he now has MORE pressure on him to win. In Miami he has a team ready to win now and has won in the recent past as well. In NY he'd be a savior just making the fucking playoffs, giving bitches like you a false title hope you so often rely on with the spanks.

Third, NOT ONCE did I hear you call him out for choking, calling himself "King" or anything like that until he dissed the poor poor knick fans and their hope of a yankee type built dynasty. Sorry, even the yanks had jeter and posada, even if a small portion of the team. His "spotlight" will be HUGE in Miami, and he'll win while the Knicks fight just to contend for a playoff spot (if that and I don't care).

Follow your own advice, just stop. :glurps: Waaaaa!

[spoon]

Lee was pretty good man.

Don't hate on him

He put up those stats against the rest of the NBA not the Knicks

Your argument really holds no water.

He has been a top 5 rebounder in the league for years now.

I'm literally going to simply cut out the middle man and just talk to Snoogans at this point. Not only do you say the same shit, now you're an Albanian gangster I guess too. Later fool. Got to run bitches!

[spoon]

Russian center Timofey Mozgov will sign a three year, 9.7 million dollar contract with the New York Knicks. Knicks will pay Khimki 500k USD.

Mozgov has been rated DraftExpress' #1 International Free Agent prospect for the past two years. Big, strong athletic center w/nice upside


Mozgov can play guys. He's a big body and super athletic guy who rebounds, block shots and finishes really well around the rim.

Defensively, Mozgov is a major presence, as he’s extremely difficult to post up on the block and has all the size, length and athleticism needed to swallow up opposing centers whole, and then grab the ensuing rebound for good measure. He blocks one shot for every 9 minutes he’s on the floor, and grabs a rebound every 3 minutes, which obviously makes him one of the more productive players you’ll find at his position in Europe”

23yrs old.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Blueprint for success cant even sign a RUSSIAN..


Fucking Yankees.. THEY ONLY SIGN INTERNATIONAL FA's..

Oh wait...

fucking stupid and nonsense due to the fact that the nba has much better drafting setup and a FUCKING CAP! another great point Kev!:wallbash:

[spoon]

You wish, freak.

Tell me again where Lebron and Cliff Lee are going.

New York and New York or I'll call one of them a pussy! Waaaaaaaaaaa!

oh wait, lee was the line i forgot.

[TheGameHHH]

New York and New York or I'll call one of them a pussy! Waaaaaaaaaaa!

oh wait, lee was the line i forgot.

I CALLED CC AN BURNETTCAKES

[Dan 'Hampton]

Walsh says isaiah would be considered by Knicks when Walsh leaves. That would be FANTASTIC! :). How long did it take them to clean up his mess last time?

[Kevin]

Walsh says isaiah would be considered by Knicks when Walsh leaves. That would be FANTASTIC! :). How long did it take them to clean up his mess last time?



Not happening.

And as for spoon..

Same old stuff...

And wrong.

[Kevin]

You wish, freak.

Tell me again where Lebron and Cliff Lee are going.



Ummm

When did i say Lee was going anywhere?

You are just grasping.

[spoon]

ur like LeBron, you can't take the pressure

[Dan 'Hampton]

Not happening.

And as for spoon..

Same old stuff...

And wrong.
You should throw your hat in the gm ring.

[hanso]

The Heat should try to pick up Žydrūnas Ilgauskas. Just to irk Cle fans even more.

The center wants in. I just read it in the sports section of my newspaper.

[hanso]

The deal is all but done................and Cle. fans are burning his jersey also.

[Fillmore Slim]

The deal is all but done................and Cle. fans are burning his jersey also.

Yup, Z and Juwan Howard are both on board. Mike Miller and Udanis Haslem as well.

[hanso]

Yup, Z and Juwan Howard are both on board. Mike Miller and Udanis Haslem as well.

Howard too? Wow sweet!

[Kevin]

Yup, Z and Juwan Howard are both on board. Mike Miller and Udanis Haslem as well.

Didn't Howard f over the heat in like 96?

Said he was going to sign then at the last min went back to Washington?

[hanso]

Yeah there was something screwed up in the contract. How it was filled out as the deadline passed. So he went on to play elsewhere.

[keithy_19]

http://yourmothersmustache.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Nets-fans.jpg

[AHerald117]

As a huge Celtics fan...I have seen the big 3 idea work in the right situation (Garnett, Pierce and Allen had already made lots of money, had individual success, and experienced enough team heartbreak to want to make the situation work later in their careers) and I'm hoping the situation works the same in Miami.

I know a lot of sports fans were annoyed with the whole 'decision' process but I think this offseason was a welcome change to the "give me my max contract, even though my team sucks...because I clearly don't care about winning" (aka Joe Johnson). I feel as though the media is taking the angle that Lebron isn't the "alpha" male and that he "sold out cleveland" just because they need the story. I feel as a sports fan that this was the best move in the name of the sport. I mean...we don't care that Russell did it with Havlicek and Cousy, Magic with Kareem...and on down the line, all we cared about is that they were winners, why do we care if Lebron does???

All we would be doing after his career was over in cleveland is saying...Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Lebron James...never won a thing.

He wants to win (and he has sacrificied his image and many other things ($) to do it, given he did get a hell of a lot of publicity)...and so does Bosh and Wade, why aren't a lot of people noticing?

[epo]

As a huge Celtics fan...I have seen the big 3 idea work in the right situation (Garnett, Pierce and Allen had already made lots of money, had individual success, and experienced enough team heartbreak to want to make the situation work later in their careers) and I'm hoping the situation works the same in Miami.

I know a lot of sports fans were annoyed with the whole 'decision' process but I think this offseason was a welcome change to the "give me my max contract, even though my team sucks...because I clearly don't care about winning" (aka Joe Johnson). I feel as though the media is taking the angle that Lebron isn't the "alpha" male and that he "sold out cleveland" just because they need the story. I feel as a sports fan that this was the best move in the name of the sport. I mean...we don't care that Russell did it with Havlicek and Cousy, Magic with Kareem...and on down the line, all we cared about is that they were winners, why do we care if Lebron does???

All we would be doing after his career was over in cleveland is saying...Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Lebron James...never won a thing.

He wants to win (and he has sacrificied his image and many other things ($) to do it, given he did get a hell of a lot of publicity)...and so does Bosh and Wade, why aren't a lot of people noticing?

1. Lets stop pretending that LeBron/Bosh/Wade gave up cash. Quite to the contrary as the Heat did versions of sign/trades to actually pay Bosh & James more than they could've if they had just signed them.

2. Lebron did sell out. He not only sold his team out, but his entire hometown. Plus he got an hour on ESPN to basically break up with them. It was the opposite of class.

3. Lebron took an easier path. Did Michael Jordan leave town after losing to the Pistons? Nope...he took essentially the same team, put them on his back and made them his bitch. Lebron didn't have the guts for it.

4. Your Celtics are finished. Here comes the slow painful ride to the bottom...

[hanso]

LeBron wanted a straight deal. It was the Cavs that made it into a sign and trade.

Hats off to the Celtics for making the mold. Lots off folks have sour grapes because it wasn't their team that landed the deal. Just have to wait.

[Kevin]

LeBron wanted a straight deal. It was the Cavs that made it into a sign and trade.

Hats off to the Celtics for making the mold. Lots off folks have sour grapes because it wasn't their team that landed the deal. Just have to wait.



Wrong.

They called Cleve and they had to give up 2#1s to do it.

He always wanted that extra money.

The only kind of King he will ever be is those kings that got bitched by the Greeks Romans and Turks and had to bitchly serve under them..

[hanso]

Bitter

Thats not how it was first reported.

[AHerald117]

Wrong.

They called Cleve and they had to give up 2#1s to do it.

He always wanted that extra money.

The only kind of King he will ever be is those kings that got bitched by the Greeks Romans and Turks and had to bitchly serve under them..

A little bitter he didn't come to the Knicks?

[AHerald117]

1. Lets stop pretending that LeBron/Bosh/Wade gave up cash. Quite to the contrary as the Heat did versions of sign/trades to actually pay Bosh & James more than they could've if they had just signed them.

2. Lebron did sell out. He not only sold his team out, but his entire hometown. Plus he got an hour on ESPN to basically break up with them. It was the opposite of class.

3. Lebron took an easier path. Did Michael Jordan leave town after losing to the Pistons? Nope...he took essentially the same team, put them on his back and made them his bitch. Lebron didn't have the guts for it.

4. Your Celtics are finished. Here comes the slow painful ride to the bottom...

Because somebody from Milwaukee would no anything about basketball, your team is shit!

[Kevin]

A little bitter he didn't come to the Knicks?

Bah..

Sure a little..

But its more of him being a biatch and taking the easy way out.

I would have been fine with him going to the Bulls or staying with Cleve because it would show that he had guts and wanted to lead a team to a title..

He chose to serve under a pimp/king, Wade.

[KnoxHarrington]

So if you hired someone to run your organization, and they basically sent it down the shitter and cost you $10 million plus with a sexual harassment lawsuit besides, no way in hell you'd hire that guy back to do anything, right?

Your name is not James Dolan, then.

Isiah Thomas was rehired Friday by the team as a consultant, two years after he was fired as its coach and president.
"Isiah Thomas brings unique experience as a Hall of Fame player, coach, executive and owner, and we believe having him as part of our organization will be extremely beneficial to the team's success," Madison Square Garden chairman James Dolan and team president Donnie Walsh announced jointly in a statement.
Thomas, a Hall of Famer with the Detroit Pistons, had a dismal run as team president from December 2003-April 2008, with the Knicks never winning a postseason game despite often having the league's highest payroll. He was also the coach the final two seasons, getting dismissed after a 23-59 season in 2007-08.
Despite all that, plus that lawsuit brought by former team employee Anucha Browne Sanders that cost MSG $11.6 million, Thomas has remained close to Dolan and Walsh, even while coaching Florida International University, a job he will keep.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/08/06/isiah.knicks.ap/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0vvTNeFPj

Seriously, the only reason I can think to have this assclown as a "consultant" is if you plan on doing the exact opposite of what he says.

What a pathetic joke of a franchise the Knicks are. They will never win shit as long as the Dolans own them.

[Snoogans]

So if you hired someone to run your organization, and they basically sent it down the shitter and cost you $10 million plus with a sexual harassment lawsuit besides, no way in hell you'd hire that guy back to do anything, right?

Your name is not James Dolan, then.



Seriously, the only reason I can think to have this assclown as a "consultant" is if you plan on doing the exact opposite of what he says.

What a pathetic joke of a franchise the Knicks are. They will never win shit as long as the Dolans own them.

the knicks have been paying Isiah the whole time. really, he has been already doing this. I think they are just gonna use him to help with the draft, which was the only thing he was actually good at

[epo]

[/B]

Because somebody from Milwaukee would no anything about basketball, your team is shit!

I guarantee the Bucks will have a higher seed than the Celtics this year.

Book it.

[A.J.]

the knicks have been paying Isiah the whole time. really, he has been already doing this. I think they are just gonna use him to help with the draft, which was the only thing he was actually good at

Two words: Renaldo Balkman.

[KnoxHarrington]

the knicks have been paying Isiah the whole time. really, he has been already doing this. I think they are just gonna use him to help with the draft, which was the only thing he was actually good at

It's just that he left the team in such a shambles, I'd think that you would want to clear him out of the organization entirely, like exorcising a demon. As long as he's there, the organization is going to be thought of as kind of a joke.

[hanso]

Zeke!

[hanso]

I guarantee the Bucks will have a higher seed than the Celtics this year.

Book it.

Who did they pick up to help them?

[Kevin]

Two words: Renaldo Balkman.



Eh..

Its not like Rondo was this top player that everyone knew.

He went like 24.

He did draft Lee 30 who turned out to be a real good player then got the Knicks two good players and a potential 21yr old Superstar in Randolph for him.

[epo]

Eh..

Its not like Rondo was this top player that everyone knew.

He went like 24.

He did draft Lee 30 who turned out to be a real good player then got the Knicks two good players and a potential 21yr old Superstar in Randolph for him.

Anthony Randolph is a nice player, but let's stop any "Randolph = potential superstar" shit right here.

[epo]

Who did they pick up to help them?

Signed PG Keyon Dooling
Re-Signed G John Salmons
Traded for F Corey Maggette
Drafted F-C Larry Sanders
Traded for F John Brockman
Signed F Drew Gooden.

Those are all additions to a very young 46 win team.

[Kevin]

Anthony Randolph is a nice player, but let's stop any "Randolph = potential superstar" shit right here.



His number over a 48min span avgs out to 26 14 3 to 5 blocks.

The only reason he isnt a superstar right now is because Don Nelson is a fucking idiot.

Golden State media and fans constantly killed him for not playing him more.

[Kevin]

Signed PG Keyon Dooling
Re-Signed G John Salmons
Traded for F Corey Maggette
Drafted F-C Larry Sanders
Traded for F John Brockman
Signed F Drew Gooden.

Those are all additions to a very young 46 win team.



I agree there...

Bucks are very good.

People will be surprised how good the will be..

If they can get anything out of Redd, watch out.

[hanso]

I agree there...

Bucks are very good.

People will be surprised how good the will be..

If they can get anything out of Redd, watch out.

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/aacELmfc2Ks&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=ru_RU&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/aacELmfc2Ks&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=ru_RU&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

GO Bucks!

[epo]

I agree there...

Bucks are very good.

People will be surprised how good the will be..

If they can get anything out of Redd, watch out.

I doubt Redd will ever wear a Bucks jersey again. Kind of sad really.

[Kevin]

I doubt Redd will ever wear a Bucks jersey again. Kind of sad really.



This is his last year in that deal right?

You think they will deal his exp contract for something?

[AHerald117]

Quote:
Originally Posted by AHerald117
[/b]

Because somebody from Milwaukee would no anything about basketball, your team is shit!

I guarantee the Bucks will have a higher seed than the Celtics this year.

Book it.


Seed doesnt matter, the Celtics would cruise through Milwaukee in the Playoffs, thats all that matters.

Signed PG Keyon Dooling
Re-Signed G John Salmons
Traded for F Corey Maggette
Drafted F-C Larry Sanders
Traded for F John Brockman
Signed F Drew Gooden.

Those are all additions to a very young 46 win team.

Who are these guys? None of them play defense, Salmons and Maggette do the same thing, they shoot the ball (...wait rebounds, assists, defense? what is that). Gooden and Dooling are insignificant journeyman. Please tell me how anyone outside of Bogut or Jennings would give a very DEEP Celtics lineup (who just added Delonte West) any trouble.

You are wrong sir, dead wrong. Good luck this season. I know I would be excited with a Dooling-Gooden-Maggete Lineup. Sure makes me nervous :surrender:

[epo]

Because somebody from Milwaukee would no anything about basketball, your team is shit!

I guarantee the Bucks will have a higher seed than the Celtics this year.

Book it.


Seed doesnt matter, the Celtics would cruise through Milwaukee in the Playoffs, thats all that matters.


Who are these guys? None of them play defense, Salmons and Maggette do the same thing, they shoot the ball (...wait rebounds, assists, defense? what is that). Gooden and Dooling are insignificant journeyman. Please tell me how anyone outside of Bogut or Jennings would give a very DEEP Celtics lineup (who just added Delonte West) any trouble.

You are wrong sir, dead wrong. Good luck this season. I know I would be excited with a Dooling-Gooden-Maggete Lineup. Sure makes me nervous :surrender:

Wait...the Celtics added Delonte West? So whose mom will he be banging?

[Kevin]

Wait...the Celtics added Delonte West? So whose mom will he be banging?



The ugliest one he can find.


Which is prob Rando's mom.

[AHerald117]

The ugliest one he can find.


Which is prob Rando's mom.

Nah, Kendrick Perkins' mom...and in any event KG would probably kill West if he caused any disturbance of another potential championship run

[A.J.]

Wait...the Celtics added Delonte West? So whose mom will he be banging?

Keep him away from Flo Allen!

http://baller-style.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/122808182-295x300.png

[epo]

Nah, Kendrick Perkins' mom...and in any event KG would probably kill West if he caused any disturbance of another potential championship run

If that's his concern, he probably should kill Father Time for letting the Celtics get old.

[hanso]

All they need is Rony Seikaly to round out the old ex Heat centers.