2011-12 NBA Season

[Snacks]

my guess is you'll see more Pirate like teams if they continue to make money and winning means little to drive that as compared to the past

cant they have to spend something like 95% or more of the salary cap as a min.

[Snacks]

I SOOOOOOO wanted to see Odom go to NO simply because it will mean the end of his marriage to that wookie Kardashian.

i thought the same thing and hoped for it as well. i do think some way it will go through, maybe altered a little but it will happen.

[Snacks]

cause they dont have the money coming in that the NFL does to spread enough money around to the teams. In the NFL, no teams were losing money. in the NBA, alot of teams lost money. so even sharing money more, that basically just gets those other guys even.

And im sorry, but i wouldnt feel bad for NO. they were gettin back some marketable stars, its not like they were giving CP 3 away for trash like denver did with melo.

If you are interested in the CBA, i think since it finally voted by yesterday, you can now read all the finer points if you look for it

odom is only marketable because he is a reality star now and a tabloid whore with his awful wife. hes a good 6th man but hes not a great player anymore. scola imo isnt marketable whats so great about him?

[Snacks]

you think all of a sudden it's the talent level drawing from a larger talent pool in college than ever?

sorry kev, it's called coaching and I'll point to SF as a prime example of the difference bt a good one and what keeps getting jobs

bottom line, coaching in the NFL is probably the most important and at the lowest point I've ever seen

and I'll watch ANY team play in football versus very few in MLB and I love both sports

it's more about viability over time and most mlb teams have no identity, top players for long/if at all and will only lose them at the height of their value/worth

agreed. what happened in sf this season compared to last proves that singeltary will never (should never) get a head coaching job again. he had the talent he just sucked at his job. he was too busy trying to act and look tough like his playing days in chicago instead of teaching and coaching.

[Snoogans]

ok, what is he the 2nd best pg? i would rather have him over paul personally. they both avg about the same points, asst, shooting %, 3p% and every stat for their careers but paul is a better at steals (much better) and they are the same age (25 and 26). The only true difference is height which Williams is 3" taller.

when the trade went down last year right after the mello trade there was man discussion on espn talking about how the nets made the better trade getting williams over melo and how the knicks would have been better off getting williams over melo but dodnt even know he was available? if the nets get howard and wlliams they will have by far the best inside outside tandem in the league. no one is close to as good as howard is at center thats not even a discussion and even if williams is #2 at pg he is still a stud who scores and creates shots for other players.

who would you rather have howard, williams and humphries (dont laugh the kid is a good defender and reb with little better #s then chandler last year and last year was a break out year for both of them)

or

melo, amare, chandler?

I like the nets 3 better. before you bitch about humphries and brag about chandler neither of them are stud especially chandler. he had a good year last year but hes no stud. he avg 10 and 9 last year and it was only his 2nd good season. He has never lived up to his expectations. Same goes for humphries, last year was a break out year for him avg 10 and 10. the nets will have a really good offense but an excellent def. the knocks will have an incredible offense with again no def. at least chandler will help that.

obviously we will disagree on who will have the better 3 of the 2 teams so lets not even argue about it.

first of all, humphris isnt a net. he is a FA, and you do the deal for howard, you have to take turkalu, so you wont have money for humphris. Plus the knicks are going to get a PG. not a max one with tyson now on the roster. I think Amare and tyson together would eliminate whatever howard does, honestly, and melo is better than williams. plus, the nets are about to get sued cause you dummies met with Howard in miami last night, so you probably arent even gonna get him, at least til next summer. orlando is fuckin pissed at you

[Snoogans]

odom is only marketable because he is a reality star now and a tabloid whore with his awful wife. hes a good 6th man but hes not a great player anymore. scola imo isnt marketable whats so great about him?

he is a good player. and they had 2 other players coming and 2 picks. it was a good move

[Snacks]

first of all, humphris isnt a net. he is a FA, and you do the deal for howard, you have to take turkalu, so you wont have money for humphris. Plus the knicks are going to get a PG. not a max one with tyson now on the roster. I think Amare and tyson together would eliminate whatever howard does, honestly, and melo is better than williams. plus, the nets are about to get sued cause you dummies met with Howard in miami last night, so you probably arent even gonna get him, at least til next summer. orlando is fuckin pissed at you

the nets are far under the cap now and on top of that they are using the amnesty clause to dump that shit bag free agent from last season (outlaw i believe and his $7 million or more a year)

i do agree chandler will help because you had zero defense and he will bring some but amare still doesnt play def and neither does melo. how can you say the nets cant afford hump but you guys will be able to afford any pg thats any good? chandler at $14, melo at $20 + and amare at $20? at least howard and williams are both under $20 million, i think they are at $17 or $18 each. I know both teams save big by cutting amnesty contracts something like $14 mil for the knicks and $7-9 for the nets. But the nets were and are still under the cap before that as well. I wonder if they will also buy out turq? Their owner has money to burn. Then again keep him for a year and see what happens.

[Snacks]

he is a good player. and they had 2 other players coming and 2 picks. it was a good move

it was an ok move it wasnt great but they arent getting much more because he only wants to go to the laker or ny. so that limits their trade and when they will be getting nothing at the end of the season then you are right. but i think the owners were bitching more about the financial relief it give the lakers while also making them much better not so much as what the hornets truly got.

the trade or some variation will go through by next week especially since he is now suing the league.

[Snoogans]

the nets are far under the cap now and on top of that they are using the amnesty clause to dump that shit bag free agent from last season (outlaw i believe and his $7 million or more a year)

i do agree chandler will help because you had zero defense and he will bring some but amare still doesnt play def and neither does melo. how can you say the nets cant afford hump but you guys will be able to afford any pg thats any good? chandler at $14, melo at $20 + and amare at $20? at least howard and williams are both under $20 million, i think they are at $17 or $18 each. I know both teams save big by cutting amnesty contracts something like $14 mil for the knicks and $7-9 for the nets. But the nets were and are still under the cap before that as well. I wonder if they will also by out turq? Their owner has money to burn. Then again keep him for a year and see what happens.

even with the chandler deal, melo, amare, chandler, TD and shumpert are the only guys under contract next year.

Also, amnesty. amnesty guys still get paid, and you can still go over the cap on minimums. get a good amnesty guy, sign him one year min, then you can bird rule him. there are still ways to do it.

and the nets havent even called humphris and they have dennounced his rights. so he is a straight FA. You guys dont seem to want him

also, amare and melo arent at 20. there is back loading, they are both hittin like 15 or 16 this year.

[Snacks]

the one thing i will say is if this trade goes through for the nets and they resign hump both the knicks and nets benches will be shit. can you name 1 really good guy on either bench? i cant think of any. there are guys i like but none that can take over if there is an injury.

[Snoogans]

the one thing i will say is if this trade goes through for the nets and they resign hump both the knicks and nets benches will be shit. can you name 1 really good guy on either bench? i cant think of any. there are guys i like but none that can take over if there is an injury.

the knicks think they are gonna have something in shumpert. and toney douglas is ok, just not as a PG, more a combo guy. but for the most part, they have nothing.

also, again, you might not be ALLOWED to trade for DH since you idiots tampered with him yesterday

[Snacks]

even with the chandler deal, melo, amare, chandler, TD and shumpert are the only guys under contract next year.

Also, amnesty. amnesty guys still get paid, and you can still go over the cap on minimums. get a good amnesty guy, sign him one year min, then you can bird rule him. there are still ways to do it.

and the nets havent even called humphris and they have dennounced his rights. so he is a straight FA. You guys dont seem to want him

everything they said during the offseason/strike was he was a top priority and after not resigning williams now they said he was def going to be resigned. now maybe things changed because they dont want that kardash stink around the team or they think his head isnt straight and might suck?i dont know but if they can sign him for 3-5 years at $10 mil or less i think hes theirs.

[razorboy]

It'll be tough for the deal to go through for the Nets once the league takes away the draft picks they were going to offer for violating tampering rules.

[Snoogans]

everything they said during the offseason/strike was he was a top priority and after not resigning williams now they said he was def going to be resigned. now maybe things changed because they dont want that kardash stink around the team or they think his head isnt straight and might suck?i dont know but if they can sign him for 3-5 years at $10 mil or less i think hes theirs.

apparently, according to people mag, he is also gay. im sure that has him feeling good.

i think they would rather take a chance that they can find someone a bit better with that money. If you have deron and get DH, you need a 2/3 not another big guy, not for that much money anyway. Im pretty sure you guys dont wanna keep him. Not sayin you wont, just not what you want right now.

you wanted chandler, nene, and caron butler. you were tryin anyone but kris

[Snoogans]

It'll be tough for the deal to go through for the Nets once the league takes away the draft picks they were going to offer for violating tampering rules.

also, sometimes they wont actually let you have dealings with the guy anymore either

[Snoogans]

they are sayin mark cuban was the biggest reason stern blocked the CP deal


awesome

[Snacks]

the knicks think they are gonna have something in shumpert. and toney douglas is ok, just not as a PG, more a combo guy. but for the most part, they have nothing.

also, again, you might not be ALLOWED to trade for DH since you idiots tampered with him yesterday

i havent heard anything about this at all but i believe you. that being said orl isnt walking away from lopez who is a top 5-7 center in the league with upside and cheap along with 2 1st round picks, turqs contract and possible cash as well. if the nets want him and howard wants the nets orl will do the trade and take away any tampering claim. maybe the nets will throw something else in to calm them down but this will not stop the trade unless they get a better offer and howard resigns with the new team.

i would think if the nets flew down to talk to him it would have been ok'd or known since they are talking huge trade and the trade would all depend on howard and the nets making an extension? maybe they did it before it was officially ok's by orl? o dont know but i will worry once im told its now dead and has no chance of being revived.

[Snacks]

apparently, according to people mag, he is also gay. im sure that has him feeling good.

i think they would rather take a chance that they can find someone a bit better with that money. If you have deron and get DH, you need a 2/3 not another big guy, not for that much money anyway. Im pretty sure you guys dont wanna keep him. Not sayin you wont, just not what you want right now.

you wanted chandler, nene, and caron butler. you were tryin anyone but kris

but that was before we were getting howard and losing lopez. with howard the nets will have the best scoring center and best defensive center in the league. so yes they might be better of getting a scorer at the 2 or 3 but i liked humps play and think he is the new jayson williams (before the killing of his limo driver). ok scorer who is a great rebounder. with a full season starting i could see hump avg 14 rbs a game, maybe not now with howard but i would still expect as a full time starter 10 and 10.

[Snacks]

they are sayin mark cuban was the biggest reason stern blocked the CP deal


awesome

i thought it was the clev owner?

[Snoogans]

i havent heard anything about this at all but i believe you. that being said orl isnt walking away from lopez who is a top 5-7 center in the league with upside and cheap along with 2 1st round picks, turqs contract and possible cash as well. if the nets want him and howard wants the nets orl will do the trade and take away any tampering claim. maybe the nets will throw something else in to calm them down but this will not stop the trade unless they get a better offer and howard resigns with the new team.

i would think if the nets flew down to talk to him it would have been ok'd or known since they are talking huge trade and the trade would all depend on howard and the nets making an extension? maybe they did it before it was officially ok's by orl? o dont know but i will worry once im told its now dead and has no chance of being revived.

The New Jersey Nets met with Dwight Howard Thursday night in a move that would be a violation of the league's tampering rules, according to multiple sources.

Howard met with Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov and general manager Billy King in Miami, sources said. Howard was joined by a few business associates.

The meeting violates the NBA's tampering rules because Howard's current team, the Orlando Magic, did not know about the meeting or give the Nets permission to meet with him, according to the sources.

NBA.com reported that the Magic are considering filing tampering charges against two teams, one being the Nets. SI.com reported that the other team is the Houston Rockets.

The meeting was the first between Howard and the Nets, but the second between Howard's representatives and the Nets.

At the meeting, the group discussed a deal in which Howard would be traded to New Jersey. The plan was for Howard to ask Orlando to trade him Friday morning.

Sources said the Magic had been discussing a possible trade with New Jersey the past few days, but that nothing had been agreed upon.

[Snoogans]

but that was before we were getting howard and losing lopez. with howard the nets will have the best scoring center and best defensive center in the league. so yes they might be better of getting a scorer at the 2 or 3 but i liked humps play and think he is the new jayson williams (before the killing of his limo driver). ok scorer who is a great rebounder. with a full season starting i could see hump avg 14 rbs a game, maybe not now with howard but i would still expect as a full time starter 10 and 10.

you are forgetting that any deal with orlando, you guys already agreed to take the 3 years 34 million that turkalu has left. you arent gettin only howard. you guys are bringing back like 30 mill in money. you are taking turkalu

[Snacks]

you are forgetting that any deal with orlando, you guys already agreed to take the 3 years 34 million that turkalu has left. you arent gettin only howard. you guys are bringing back like 30 mill in money. you are taking turkalu

i do know this and acknowledged it multiple times. im saying that they are going to amnesty 1 player and they might buy out trurks contract. the nets owner has money to burn and if he needs to shave salary to bring in a better player at the 2 or 3 he will have no problem buying turk out and cutting him. then again i think they are still under the cap with turk after their amnesty so i would actually keep him at least 1 season to see how he does with williams and howard. it wont hurt to take a shot with him its not like he hasnt proven to be good. he has had a couple bad years yes but its worth the shot if your getting howard. he really is only in the trade to help orl who cant afford to buy him out and cut him. like i said the nets can and will if they need to.

[Snoogans]

i do know this and acknowledged it multiple times. im saying that they are going to amnesty 1 player and they might buy out trurks contract. the nets owner has money to burn and if he needs to shave salary to bring in a better player at the 2 or 3 he will have no problem buying turk out and cutting him. then again i think they are still under the cap with turk after their amnesty so i would actually keep him at least 1 season to see how he does with williams and howard. it wont hurt to take a shot with him its not like he hasnt proven to be good. he has had a couple bad years yes but its worth the shot if your getting howard. he really is only in the trade to help orl who cant afford to buy him out and cut him. like i said the nets can and will if they need to.

no, you guys, so has been said, are planning to amnesty outlaw

[Snacks]

no, you guys, so has been said, are planning to amnesty outlaw

i know but amnesty is from my understanding a way to release a guy without paying him. im saying they might also release turk but they would have to pay him. the reason they dont amnesty turk is (also from my understanding) you cant amnesty a player you trade for this season. thats why orl wants to trade turk and amnesty agent zero.

so basically the nets amnesty outlaw and save his $7 or $9 million, dont have to pay him and it doesnt hurt their cap. they cut turk which they will then have to pay him the full amount or settle on a 1 lump payment like kenny anderson and others have done before. similar to the knicks and billups. they want to amnesty him to save $14 million and not have to pay him either. thats the purpose of the amnesty clause or at least how i understand it ever time its mentioned.

[Snoogans]

i know but amnesty is from my understanding a way to release a guy without paying him. im saying they might also release turk but they would have to pay him. the reason they dont amnesty turk is (also from my understanding) you cant amnesty a player you trade for this season. thats why orl wants to trade turk and amnesty agent zero.

so basically the nets amnesty outlaw and save his $7 or $9 million, dont have to pay him and it doesnt hurt their cap. they cut turk which they will then have to pay him the full amount or settle on a 1 lump payment like kenny anderson and others have done before. similar to the knicks and billups. they want to amnesty him to save $14 million and not have to pay him either. thats the purpose of the amnesty clause or at least how i understand it ever time its mentioned.

no. with amnesty you still pay them. it just doesnt count to the tax or cap

[Snacks]

no. with amnesty you still pay them. it just doesnt count to the tax or cap

that makes no sense. plenty of teams have cut players with huge contracts and pay them and it doesnt hurt their cap or at least i thought that. why else would you cut and pay someone when you have to pay them anyway unless it was to save money or clear cap space? why is billups pissed? he will still be getting his $14 million and then go anywhere he wants for the vet min if he chooses to play or he could take his money for free and retire now?

[underdog]

no. with amnesty you still pay them. it just doesnt count to the tax or cap

It counts against your cap, it just doesn't count against your luxury tax.

[Snoogans]

that makes no sense. plenty of teams have cut players with huge contracts and pay them and it doesnt hurt their cap or at least i thought that. why else would you cut and pay someone when you have to pay them anyway unless it was to save money or clear cap space? why is billups pissed? he will still be getting his $14 million and then go anywhere he wants for the vet min if he chooses to play or he could take his money for free and retire now?

most guys who got bought out were in last years of the deal, so they would take a few mill less to leave and sign another deal. but they still hit your cap just the same. all contracts are guaranteed, you cant buy a guy out and not take the cap hit still. so amnesty stops the cap hit.

and no, you arent a FA with amnesty. You go to a bid. Any team with cap room bids for you. whoever bids the most, you are stuck there, or retire. Only if no one bids do you become FA.

and chauncy is pissed cause he prob wanted to play with melo and amare for a year

[Snoogans]

It counts against your cap, it just doesn't count against your luxury tax.

no. amnesty will not count against either the cap or the tax. its not the allen houston rule. its pure amnesty. you have to give the guy his money but it will not count for anything.

[underdog]

no. amnesty will not count against either the cap or the tax. its not the allen houston rule. its pure amnesty. you have to give the guy his money but it will not count for anything.

Ah. I was reading about it yesterday and I read what I posted, but the article also mentioned that no one actually knew the truth.

[Snoogans]

Ah. I was reading about it yesterday and I read what I posted, but the article also mentioned that no one actually knew the truth.

yea it came out today cause the knicks have to use it on billups. he goes to a bid, and he is completely removed from all books, but we still pay him

[Snacks]

It counts against your cap, it just doesn't count against your luxury tax.

edit: i jsut read snoogs and that sounds more like it

[Snoogans]

there is actually some thought the knicks may try to get Baron Davis for this year if cleveland amnesties him, and then try to sign Felton as a FA next year

[Snacks]

yea it came out today cause the knicks have to use it on billups. he goes to a bid, and he is completely removed from all books, but we still pay him

that makes sense now because i just read that the knicks would be responsible for the majority of the $14 mil. so im guessing a team bids $3 mil, if they are the high bid they get him and the knocks pay the difference of $11 mil?

[Snoogans]

that makes sense now because i just read that the knicks would be responsible for the majority of the $14 mil. so im guessing a team bids $3 mil, if they are the high bid they get him and the knocks pay the difference of $11 mil?

no

the knicks pay him 14 mill. the team pays everything. whoever picks him up pays him 3, chauncy gets a raise. but also, means he prob is on some shitty team with alot of cap room

if nobody bids, then he is free to sign whereever he wants for whatever he wants, including league minimum

[Snoogans]

basically, amnesty was only put in for the rich teams as a thing to get them to agree to revenue sharing. most teams wont have a guy to even use it on or be able to afford to.

[Snacks]

no

the knicks pay him 14 mill. the team pays everything. whoever picks him up pays him 3, chauncy gets a raise. but also, means he prob is on some shitty team with alot of cap room

if nobody bids, then he is free to sign whereever he wants for whatever he wants, including league minimum

on his rotoworld page it said miami was going to bid on him and that the knicks would be paying the majority of his contract from this year. im took a guess on how it will be handled since they did say the knicks would be paying all of his salary

[Snoogans]

on his rotoworld page it said miami was going to bid on him and that the knicks would be paying the majority of his contract from this year. im took a guess on how it will be handled since they did say the knicks would be paying all of his salary

yea its weird. from everything i hear, the knicks have to pay it all

[Snoogans]

snacks, i got this for you, its every player for each team under contract and for how long. (http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm)

The nets are at 39.8, the cap is around 55. lopez only makes 3. so if you deal lopez and picks for DH and turk, even if you amnesty turk or outlaw, you still cant fit a big money guy like nene. maybe humphries can be kept, esp if there is no interest now. you will have around 5 mill this year, and the midlevel. so if humph will take only 5, you can keep him. if not, you cant

[Snoogans]

also, knicks are finalizing the chandler deal. they will sign chandler outright, waive billups with amnesty, and then they will deal turiaf to washington with cash for a future 2nd round, and most likely a 4 mill trade exception

they would then use that trade exception and maybe fields plus the wizards pick to trade for a PG.. Under the new trade rules, 4 mill trade excep can cover salary up to 6 million coming back. Thought is they may send fields, the trade thing, the wizards pick and 1 mill in cash to portland for felton, and then extend felton under bird rights

i would LOVE that. But regardless, they deal for tyson is done

[Snacks]

snacks, i got this for you, its every player for each team under contract and for how long. (http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm)

The nets are at 39.8, the cap is around 55. lopez only makes 3. so if you deal lopez and picks for DH and turk, even if you amnesty turk or outlaw, you still cant fit a big money guy like nene. maybe humphries can be kept, esp if there is no interest now. you will have around 5 mill this year, and the midlevel. so if humph will take only 5, you can keep him. if not, you cant

interesting. but they could always do what the lakers do and go over the cap and pay a luxury tax. its not like they dont have the money. right now before the trade they have the 26 out 30 in salary so they def have room now. turk will fuck them but i would keep him for a year and see how that works out. as for getting nene, i dont want him and to be honest if we had howard and williams we dont need him. even if we did need more def i would prefer hump.

let this trade go through 1st then i will be happy and then i will worry about the rest of this team! but until howard is actually in a nj uniform i wont be happy!

[Snoogans]

interesting. but they could always do what the lakers do and go over the cap and pay a luxury tax. its not like they dont have the money. right now before the trade they have the 26 out 30 in salary so they def have room now. turk will fuck them but i would keep him for a year and see how that works out. as for getting nene, i dont want him and to be honest if we had howard and williams we dont need him. even if we did need more def i would prefer hump.

let this trade go through 1st then i will be happy and then i will worry about the rest of this team! but until howard is actually in a nj uniform i wont be happy!

you cant go over the cap without dealing though. It means you cant sign more guys. you could trade, but you dont have alot of pieces. most of your guys dont make enough to bring back the contract you would need on another big time guy, unless you con someone into taking outlaw/turkalu. Shit, Kahn still runs minnie, so its possible

either way, im not mad at it. I almost like the idea of the nets gettin DH. DH and deron vs our front line and whatever PG we get (starting to look alot like felton, even if not til next summer)

the knicks are probably gonna sign Bibby for this year on the midlevel.

[Snacks]

you cant go over the cap without dealing though. It means you cant sign more guys. you could trade, but you dont have alot of pieces. most of your guys dont make enough to bring back the contract you would need on another big time guy, unless you con someone into taking outlaw/turkalu. Shit, Kahn still runs minnie, so its possible

either way, im not mad at it. I almost like the idea of the nets gettin DH. DH and deron vs our front line and whatever PG we get (starting to look alot like felton, even if not til next summer)

the knicks are probably gonna sign Bibby for this year on the midlevel.

CANT WAIT!!!

[Snoogans]

CANT WAIT!!!

you guys will get him too. his agent and otis smith came out and said otis gave dwight permission to talk to you guys. so, you guys are gonna get him. i dont know how much more you are gonna get, though i would suggest you hold onto morrow. i think he will be a perfect 2 for them, he is deadly from outside when he gets rollin.

Gonna be fun knockin around you brooklyn hipsters

[Snacks]

you guys will get him too. his agent and otis smith came out and said otis gave dwight permission to talk to you guys. so, you guys are gonna get him. i dont know how much more you are gonna get, though i would suggest you hold onto morrow. i think he will be a perfect 2 for them, he is deadly from outside when he gets rollin.

Gonna be fun knockin around you brooklyn hipsters

I read that too but i also read he talked to 3 teams. thats not good.

I hate that they are moving to Brooklyn but its too late to bitch about that now.

I like Turk better then morrow. Turk had shit #s for 2 season in Tor but he had better #s when he went back to Orl so I would keep him at $10 mil this year and take a shot. Cut outlaw or morrow which ever one it is and see what happens. i actually like outlaw better then morrow too.

Whatever happens they need to do this deal now before the season starts. dont waste the season and wait too long to make this happen like last year. by the time they traded last year the season was lost.

[Snacks]

I found this while reading about the magic.

Teams that are under the cap will have a chance to bid on assuming a certain percentage of Arenas' contract, with the winning team's bid offsetting Orlando's financial obligation to the former All-Star.

so what I said before sounds like it is true. basically if a player is owned 10 mil and another team bids 3 mil then the original team only pays 7 and the new team pays 3.

[hanso]

Why wasn't a Bibby for Billups deal worked out?

[Snoogans]

Why wasn't a Bibby for Billups deal worked out?

cause bibby is a FA

[Snoogans]

I read that too but i also read he talked to 3 teams. thats not good.

I hate that they are moving to Brooklyn but its too late to bitch about that now.

I like Turk better then morrow. Turk had shit #s for 2 season in Tor but he had better #s when he went back to Orl so I would keep him at $10 mil this year and take a shot. Cut outlaw or morrow which ever one it is and see what happens. i actually like outlaw better then morrow too.

Whatever happens they need to do this deal now before the season starts. dont waste the season and wait too long to make this happen like last year. by the time they traded last year the season was lost.

outlaw has 7 mill a year for 4 more years and broken hand and plays turks position. Morrow has 4 mill a year for 2 years and plays the 2, and is pretty good. I think you are forgettin who he is. he is the kid that can drill 3s and is like 6'6. he would actually be a good guy to keep beyond the 2 years, i thnk

[Snoogans]

I found this while reading about the magic.



so what I said before sounds like it is true. basically if a player is owned 10 mil and another team bids 3 mil then the original team only pays 7 and the new team pays 3.

for the amount of years they bid. arenas had 4 years left. so if a team bids 1 year 5 mill, they pick up that part, the team owes 100% of the rest of the years, unless the team bids more than 1 year

[cougarjake13]

That's a weird system
So every year arenas culd play for diff teams with orl paying rest of what new team doesn't bid

[KnoxHarrington]

Here's the thing about Stern blocking the Paul deal that puzzles me: I don't see how making Paul stay there, so that he leaves at the end of the year and New Orleans gets jack shit for him, is better than allowing the trade now and giving the Hornets some pretty good players for him.

And I'm amused by that clown Dan Gilbert chiming in on this, because there's no way in hell he signs Paul either. At least that dope didn't use fucking Comic Sans this time.

[Snacks]

Here's the thing about Stern blocking the Paul deal that puzzles me: I don't see how making Paul stay there, so that he leaves at the end of the year and New Orleans gets jack shit for him, is better than allowing the trade now and giving the Hornets some pretty good players for him.

And I'm amused by that clown Dan Gilbert chiming in on this, because there's no way in hell he signs Paul either. At least that dope didn't use fucking Comic Sans this time.

thats not the issue. the owners were pissed by many issues. 1 being the team will be harder to sell with no true superstar on the team and right now they are all paying for this team. 2. they feel that the lakers were getting way too much cap relief on the backs of all the small market teams that are forced to own the hornets while those same teams are losing their stars to big market teams and there is nothing they can do about it. 3. they felt part of the lock out was to try to make it so small market teams had a chance to keep their stars and the very 1st deal of the new season was going completely against what the majority of those teams originally locked the players out for in the 1st place.

I think the trade was decent because the picks involved not so much the players NO was getting. The trade should have went through if it was any other team. But because this team is owned by the league and all of its owners, I think it was almost like the smaller market teams just wanted to be dicks because they know they have no control over the stars. This trade will get reworked and go through but this is a black eye on the NBA.

I just hope this situation doesnt hurt the nets from getting Howard. Howard is talking to the lakers as well and now that they didnt get Paul maybe they decide fuck it and go after Howard which fucks everything for the nets. Basically the only way the nets can be good is with Howard. There is no other player out there that can help them keep Williams and make them instant contenders. If they dont get Howard they are done for 5 more years at least.

[cougarjake13]

I'm sure stern wants the nets to be successful in Brooklyn so hell prob allow the trade unless it's stupid crazy like some
Fantasy football dicks who offer u colt McCoy for Tom brady

[Snacks]

I'm sure stern wants the nets to be successful in Brooklyn so hell prob allow the trade unless it's stupid crazy like some
Fantasy football dicks who offer u colt McCoy for Tom brady

Im not worried about the nets trade for howard being approved. Im worried that the lakers will now step in and trade for howard because they didnt approve the paul trade.

[Snoogans]

That's a weird system
So every year arenas culd play for diff teams with orl paying rest of what new team doesn't bid

no. the bid happens once. A team can bid more than 1 year, but orlando has to write a check for gilbert for 64 mill, minus whatever is bid. he gets paid upfront, not over the years

[Dan 'Hampton]

How does a league have a 150 day lockout, lose 20+ games, and still be fundamentally fucked this soon?

[Snoogans]

How does a league have a 150 day lockout, lose 20+ games, and still be fundamentally fucked this soon?

the deal will be done. they added in another draft pick for NO and something else. its submitted for approval

[Dan 'Hampton]

Who cares about this trade. I'm saying the league is a mess financially and theyve just got done with a lockout that accomplished basically nothing except allowing "amnesty" players. Good idea, hide your debt and financial mistakes, that'll work.
The best thing for the league would have been a lost year. Reductions in pay across the board but most importantly a true hard cap. This league wants allstate half dozen all star teams. And 25 versions of the Washington Generals.

[Snoogans]

Who cares about this trade. I'm saying the league is a mess financially and theyve just got done with a lockout that accomplished basically nothing except allowing "amnesty" players. Good idea, hide your debt and financial mistakes, that'll work.
The best thing for the league would have been a lost year. Reductions in pay across the board but most importantly a true hard cap. This league wants allstate half dozen all star teams. And 25 versions of the Washington Generals.

but they did get shit back. they got back 7% of the revenue. the players dropped from 57% to 50% and the amount of money you can offer FAs went down. Did you even read the new rules?

also they got more revenue sharing in now. the teams wont lose money. this wasnt about making all teams good. it was just about not losing money

[Dan 'Hampton]

Bandaid on a gaping wound.

[Snacks]

but they did get shit back. they got back 7% of the revenue. the players dropped from 57% to 50% and the amount of money you can offer FAs went down. Did you even read the new rules?

also they got more revenue sharing in now. the teams wont lose money. this wasnt about making all teams good. it was just about not losing money

it was supposed to be about both.

[Snoogans]

it was supposed to be about both.

so they said, sure. and they did a few minor things, tweakin rev sharings, etc.

But they made it easier to trade. you dont have to match money as close. They doubled the lux tax to 100% too. thats supposed to deter rich teams.

But all in all, they lied. they just wanted money back so they dont lose money until the new tv deals in 5 years, which will bring leverage for the players to get more money back

[Kevin]

Hippos brother maybe more retarded than BDC..

He is arguing that Brook Lopez is better than Tyson Chandler.

His main argument is that he is ranked higher on everyone's FANTASY DRAFT BOARD.

Because that's how you base your team building on..

Brook Lopez has talent but 6 rebs a game from your 7ft+ Center does not cut it.

[Snacks]

Hippos brother maybe more retarded than BDC..

He is arguing that Brook Lopez is better than Tyson Chandler.

His main argument is that he is ranked higher on everyone's FANTASY DRAFT BOARD.

Because that's how you base your team building on..

Brook Lopez has talent but 6 rebs a game from your 7ft+ Center does not cut it.

because hump was getting over 10. Chandler for his career avg 8.3 points and 8.8 reb a game.

lopez career 17.4 points and 7.6 rebs per game. not that far off in reb, he had a down year last year in reb because hump was getting to them and that was his main job to reb. he avg 20 points a game last year thats great. Lopez also avg about 1/2 block more per game. So you tell me who is better and who has more upside? I understand you are a knick fan but come on you have to admit Lopez is the better all around player fantasy or not.

[Kevin]

because hump was getting over 10. Chandler for his career avg 8.3 points and 8.8 reb a game.

lopez career 17.4 points and 7.6 rebs per game. not that far off in reb, he had a down year last year in reb because hump was getting to them and that was his main job to reb. he avg 20 points a game last year thats great. Lopez also avg about 1/2 block more per game. So you tell me who is better and who has more upside? I understand you are a knick fan but come on you have to admit Lopez is the better all around player fantasy or not.

Chandler is a better player than Lopez.

You love these stats.

I watch Lopez play and he is bland. He puts up scoring numbers because he was the main option on a terrible team. Chandler was never asked to score.

Hell Bosh put up great stats in Tor, but he is a fucking BUM!

If you want to win a title, you pick Chandler.

[Snacks]

Chandler is a better player than Lopez.

You love these stats.

I watch Lopez play and he is bland. He puts up scoring numbers because he was the main option on a terrible team. Chandler was never asked to score.

Hell Bosh put up great stats in Tor, but he is a fucking BUM!

If you want to win a title, you pick Chandler.

Chandler was the main guy in Chicago when he was drafted and sucked whats that tell you? Lopez wasnt the main guy he shared that with Harris and then Williams. Chandler won a title last year and helped his team win it but come on his career is no where near what they thought it would be. Lopez is still young and getting better, you aint getting much more out of Chandler then you got last year. Actually dont be surprised if his #s go down.

If you really think the better all around player is Chandler you are dreaming. Just because Lopez doesnt scream after a dunk or isnt all muscle doesnt mean hes less of a player then Chandler, hes better sorry.

[hanso]

That's a weird system
So every year arenas culd play for diff teams with orl paying rest of what new team doesn't bid

It can only be used once for the rest of the CBA so it might be better saved for the higher payed player.

[spoon]

wow, if what snoogans said about Dallas having a HUGE say in having the Paul trade blocked/nixed, the move they are reporting now makes sense.

LA reported out of the Paul dealings and he may end up w/ Clippers, while Odom is going from LAL to Dallas now! hmmmmmmm

[Snacks]

What I thought would happen seems to be happening. Because the Paul trade was rejected by Stern I thought the Lakers would now go after Howard and thats exactly what is happening. The Clips are getting Paul, somehow the Mavs are getting Odom, Houston is out of the trade and the Lakers will have to give up Gasol and Bynum for Howard which in my opinion is a no brainer you do that in a heart beat if you are the Lakers. Howard is 25,26 and its like getting the younger shaq in his prime all over again.

[Snacks]

Looking at this trade I dont see why Orl would make it with the Lakers.

Gasol is great but he is around $17 million and 31. Bynum is imo 1 of the most overrated players in the league and its because he is a huge injury risk every year. Other then Oden no center goes down more then him. Hes 24 so they would be getting the young center back that they want but he is already going to be $15+ million a year. Hes no better then a 10-12 and 10 guy and like I said he is always hurt. By making this trade with the Lakers they pick up $32 million in salary from those 2 and only lose Howards $17 or $18 million. There is no way Turkalu is in this trade so they dont drop that salary and no one is trading for Turk at all. They cant amnesty Turk either because they already did will Arenas.

If they trade with the Nets they get Brook Lopez who is young, durable (hasnt missed a game in his entire 3 year career), already a top 5-7 NBA center who gets better every year, cheaper and 2 1st round picks. On top of that they get to throw in Turks contract so they save money/salary cap space and get a true young talent to build around.

Snoogs am I missing something to why Orl would make that trade with the Lakers over the Nets? Is there something else floating out there that saves them money and brings them in actually talent? Although Gasol is great hes gone after next year (I believe) and they wouldnt want him anyway because hes expensive and 32, they want young talent to build around.

[Snoogans]

What I thought would happen seems to be happening. Because the Paul trade was rejected by Stern I thought the Lakers would now go after Howard and thats exactly what is happening. The Clips are getting Paul, somehow the Mavs are getting Odom, Houston is out of the trade and the Lakers will have to give up Gasol and Bynum for Howard which in my opinion is a no brainer you do that in a heart beat if you are the Lakers. Howard is 25,26 and its like getting the younger shaq in his prime all over again.

no, its not. dont insult shaq. Shaq was far more a monster than DH. DH is physically gifted, but he is soft compared to shaq

[Snoogans]

Looking at this trade I dont see why Orl would make it with the Lakers.

Gasol is great but he is around $17 million and 31. Bynum is imo 1 of the most overrated players in the league and its because he is a huge injury risk every year. Other then Oden no center goes down more then him. Hes 24 so they would be getting the young center back that they want but he is already going to be $15+ million a year. Hes no better then a 10-12 and 10 guy and like I said he is always hurt. By making this trade with the Lakers they pick up $32 million in salary from those 2 and only lose Howards $17 or $18 million. There is no way Turkalu is in this trade so they dont drop that salary and no one is trading for Turk at all. They cant amnesty Turk either because they already did will Arenas.

If they trade with the Nets they get Brook Lopez who is young, durable (hasnt missed a game in his entire 3 year career), already a top 5-7 NBA center who gets better every year, cheaper and 2 1st round picks. On top of that they get to throw in Turks contract so they save money/salary cap space and get a true young talent to build around.

Snoogs am I missing something to why Orl would make that trade with the Lakers over the Nets? Is there something else floating out there that saves them money and brings them in actually talent? Although Gasol is great hes gone after next year (I believe) and they wouldnt want him anyway because hes expensive and 32, they want young talent to build around.

To be honest, alot of it is perception. The nets deal really is only lopez, and as much as you love brook, go look at the stats. he regressed last year. alot of teams are afraid he is a softy too. he only avg like 6 boards a game last season. he really wasnt that good. Im not sayin he wont be, but i think it cooled alot of teams on him. Plus, you are gettin bynum and gasol for DH and the lakers would prob have to take turk's salary like the nets did. So basically, you are lookin at 2 sure things vs 1 sure thing in lopez and a pick, and those nets picks prob wont be that good if they have deron and DH.

To me, it makes sense, in terms of being better right now. They just resigned JRich, so they want parts to win and put guys in the seats, not rebuild.

[spoon]

To me, it makes sense, in terms of being better right now. They just resigned JRich, so they want parts to win and put guys in the seats, not rebuild.

Wait, JerseyRich helps getting "guys in the seats" I get, but not the winning part!?

:blink::unsure::ohmy:

[Snacks]

To be honest, alot of it is perception. The nets deal really is only lopez, and as much as you love brook, go look at the stats. he regressed last year. alot of teams are afraid he is a softy too. he only avg like 6 boards a game last season. he really wasnt that good. Im not sayin he wont be, but i think it cooled alot of teams on him. Plus, you are gettin bynum and gasol for DH and the lakers would prob have to take turk's salary like the nets did. So basically, you are lookin at 2 sure things vs 1 sure thing in lopez and a pick, and those nets picks prob wont be that good if they have deron and DH.

To me, it makes sense, in terms of being better right now. They just resigned JRich, so they want parts to win and put guys in the seats, not rebuild.

he regressed with his rebounds but his points were up 3 or 4 points per game and i think his blocks were the same around 1.7 per game.

the lakers are making these moves to dump salary i cant see them picking up turks contract unless they use the amnesty on him and no one else.

I dont care I want Howard on the Nets. If Stern did make that decision on his own then he fucked the entire league and made them look terrible.

[Snoogans]

he regressed with his rebounds but his points were up 3 or 4 points per game and i think his blocks were the same around 1.7 per game.

the lakers are making these moves to dump salary i cant see them picking up turks contract unless they use the amnesty on him and no one else.

I dont care I want Howard on the Nets. If Stern did make that decision on his own then he fucked the entire league and made them look terrible.

his scoring went up only cause devin harris would never pass the ball. 99% of brook scoring more was D Will.

and i dont think you get DH now. Lakers will prob get him and Paul will probably end up with the clippers.

and its not about the lakers picking up turks deal. Its that what the lakers are sending orlando is too expensive to match without turk. I would guess though, you are probably right, that they will most likely immediately send turk packing with amnesty

[Snacks]

his scoring went up only cause devin harris would never pass the ball. 99% of brook scoring more was D Will.

and i dont think you get DH now. Lakers will prob get him and Paul will probably end up with the clippers.

and its not about the lakers picking up turks deal. Its that what the lakers are sending orlando is too expensive to match without turk. I would guess though, you are probably right, that they will most likely immediately send turk packing with amnesty

you do realize that deron only played in 12 games with the nets last season. his scoring was up because he is a good scoring center and his points have gone up every year for all 3 years. now if he stays will the nets this season i do believe he might go up even more because of deron.

that all being said i agree and posted it early this morning. i dont think they get howard now either and its all because that paul trade didnt got through on weds or thurs. i think the only way they keep deron now is because the money and because he wont have many options because of other teams salary restrictions. i still wouldnt be surprised if he left unless they can get someone here that he wants to play with. howard all but locked up deron re-signing now its up in the air. there is still hope but im not happy or confident about it.

[Kevin]

you do realize that deron only played in 12 games with the nets last season. his scoring was up because he is a good scoring center and his points have gone up every year for all 3 years. now if he stays will the nets this season i do believe he might go up even more because of deron.

that all being said i agree and posted it early this morning. i dont think they get howard now either and its all because that paul trade didnt got through on weds or thurs. i think the only way they keep deron now is because the money and because he wont have many options because of other teams salary restrictions. i still wouldnt be surprised if he left unless they can get someone here that he wants to play with. howard all but locked up deron re-signing now its up in the air. there is still hope but im not happy or confident about it.

If they do not get Howard he is 250% gone.

I don't see a Franchise player available for a long long time.

You guys TOTALY fucked yourself by putting all you eggs in your delousional Jay Z Lebron basket.

We saw that he was not coming here so we went after Amare, then that brought Melo, then Chandler.

1 move changes a franchise.

[Snoogans]

you do realize that deron only played in 12 games with the nets last season. his scoring was up because he is a good scoring center and his points have gone up every year for all 3 years. now if he stays will the nets this season i do believe he might go up even more because of deron.

that all being said i agree and posted it early this morning. i dont think they get howard now either and its all because that paul trade didnt got through on weds or thurs. i think the only way they keep deron now is because the money and because he wont have many options because of other teams salary restrictions. i still wouldnt be surprised if he left unless they can get someone here that he wants to play with. howard all but locked up deron re-signing now its up in the air. there is still hope but im not happy or confident about it.
i think there are teams workin shit to open up room for deron, but you are right, none of them seem to be a team with much chance of competing. You never know though, portland is gonna have a ton of cash with roy gettin medical retirement

[Crispy123]

Im buying up all the DH Magic jerseys I can get my hands on. That shits gonna be gold. Investments bitches!

[Snacks]

Chris Paul trade to the Clippers is DEAD!

[HBox]

If I was Dell Demps I would resign. Clearly he is not being allowed to do his job. Don't take any part of further destroying this franchise. Put it all on Stern and the rest of the owners.

[cougarjake13]

All this to get Paul to the knicks

[Kevin]

All this to get Paul to the knicks

How is that gunna happen?

Knicks have NOTHING to give them other than the 3 guys and I don't think anyone of them go.

And they would be KILLED for takin that deal.

[Snacks]

How is that gunna happen?

Knicks have NOTHING to give them other than the 3 guys and I don't think anyone of them go.

And they would be KILLED for takin that deal.

how about they also have around $55 million per year going to 3 players (Amare, Chandler and Melo)

[Kevin]

how about they also have around $55 million per year going to 3 players (Amare, Chandler and Melo)

That too.

Unless he takes the min for the year which I do NOT see it happening.

[cougarjake13]

stern will find a way

[Snoogans]

If I was Dell Demps I would resign. Clearly he is not being allowed to do his job. Don't take any part of further destroying this franchise. Put it all on Stern and the rest of the owners.

they figured out why.

if he just lets CP walk, they only have 31 mill on books next year, 7 the year after, and 0 the year after. they are tryin to celan house and give whoever buys them a fresh slate to build from.

I think its fuckin stupid, but thats what stern is doin

[cougarjake13]

they figured out why.

if he just lets CP walk, they only have 31 mill on books next year, 7 the year after, and 0 the year after. they are tryin to celan house and give whoever buys them a fresh slate to build from.

I think its fuckin stupid, but thats what stern is doin

maybe then thats how paul will get there


i dunno

[Snoogans]

how about they also have around $55 million per year going to 3 players (Amare, Chandler and Melo)

that doesnt matter.

There is only 1 senario that paul is anywhere near the knicks. He is about to sue the NBA. If he wins, whatever damages he is awarded (at least 27 mill, the amount the extra year of extention woulda got him) would be tripled cause its an anti trust case. If he goes to court and wins 75 million, then he will sign with the knicks on the midlevel exception.

Thats not gonna happen. So can we just stop mentioning Paul and the Knicks?

[Snoogans]

maybe then thats how paul will get there


i dunno

paul is already there. What are you talkin about. Im talkin about New Orleans

[cougarjake13]

paul is already there. What are you talkin about. Im talkin about New Orleans

yeh i was talking bout him somehow getting to knicks

[Snoogans]

yeh i was talking bout him somehow getting to knicks

you really think chris paul is gonna take a midlevel exception in FA?

STOP. THE ANSWER IS, HE ISNT GOING TO THE KNICKS. Unless the crazy as fuck thing that i posted above happens, which it wont, he isnt going to the knicks.

[cougarjake13]

you really think chris paul is gonna take a midlevel exception in FA?

STOP. THE ANSWER IS, HE ISNT GOING TO THE KNICKS. Unless the crazy as fuck thing that i posted above happens, which it wont, he isnt going to the knicks.

so theres no way theyd trade amare ?? and then sign paul next year ??

[Kevin]

so theres no way theyd trade amare ?? and then sign paul next year ??

Even if they would NO is not taking that uninsured contract.

[Snoogans]

so theres no way theyd trade amare ?? and then sign paul next year ??

Even if they would NO is not taking that uninsured contract.

i think he means trade amare for expiring deals and then use the cap room to sign paul, btu no. JAKE, STOP. seriously. first of all, no one is taking on amares contract. 2, why the fuck would you deal him for Paul. They both have injury questions. you dont deal big men for small. You can find decent enough guards. You cant find a PF who is gonna drop 25+ a game like that.

[Snacks]

they figured out why.

if he just lets CP walk, they only have 31 mill on books next year, 7 the year after, and 0 the year after. they are tryin to celan house and give whoever buys them a fresh slate to build from.

I think its fuckin stupid, but thats what stern is doin

how can they do that there is a min they have to meet in salary and from my understanding the min was raised from 70% of the cap to something like 95% of the cap.

[Snacks]

you really think chris paul is gonna take a midlevel exception in FA?

STOP. THE ANSWER IS, HE ISNT GOING TO THE KNICKS. Unless the crazy as fuck thing that i posted above happens, which it wont, he isnt going to the knicks.

or they trade amare as they tried to do last week or at least it was leaked they did.

[Snacks]

i think he means trade amare for expiring deals and then use the cap room to sign paul, btu no. JAKE, STOP. seriously. first of all, no one is taking on amares contract. 2, why the fuck would you deal him for Paul. They both have injury questions. you dont deal big men for small. You can find decent enough guards. You cant find a PF who is gonna drop 25+ a game like that.

you might be right he is too expensive especially now with the new caps.

[Snoogans]

how can they do that there is a min they have to meet in salary and from my understanding the min was raised from 70% of the cap to something like 95% of the cap.

by the end of the year you have to spend that much. they can sign guys for 1 year and get up there. the point is, they wanna sell the team with no future committments

[Snoogans]

or they trade amare as they tried to do last week or at least it was leaked they did.

they never tried to trade him. they wouldnt, not because he is untouchable too good, but because his contract is uninsured. no one would ever touch it except the knicks. so just dancing his name out there knowin you cant deal him would only piss him off. They never tried to deal him, never offered him to anyone. and now that they have tyson, they shouldnt. the only thought of every trading amare came from the media and it was in regards to DH only. Now that they signed chandler, it would almost be stupid to do that. its alot easier to find a good guard than it is to find good big men, always. Amare will be here for the rest of that deal.


you might be right he is too expensive especially now with the new caps.

Paul isnt too expensive persay. you know dolan wouldnt give a fuck about the tax. if Miami showed one thing, you can get guys to come fill out the team for midlevels and veteran mins. If they could get paul here, having those 4 wouldnt stop you from fielding a team, esp if your owner doesnt care about tax.

Its just, there is no viable scenario for getting him here without him winning enough money from a lawsuit that he doesnt care about his salary.

Some media has floated him maybe signing this summer with us for the midlevel for 1 year and then us giving him the extension for max money, allowing us to give him that extra year. But you cant extend a guy you just signed until after march, and i dont think CP would risk playing 4 months where he could blow his knee out before he actually gets his money.

That is why the owners didnt want LA gettin paul. Snacks knew the real reason the owners didnt want it. it wasnt about paul and kobe, it was about the lakers shedding money. But im starting to think it wasnt about those teams not receiving money from the tax. I think they were all afraid the lakers, by gettin CP, would clear enough space to straight sign Dwight Howard in the summer. THATS what they did not want to happen.



ultimately, what i think will happen to the knicks is gonna be similar, just with a different guy who isnt quite in pauls league. Most likley someone will get bought out or amnestied, and the knicks will sign them for the min and then extend them after the year under bird rights. Or trade for a guy and do the same thing. Some also think Felton might take the 5 mill for 1 year this summer and then sign an ext, which is more plausible cause he is worth alot closer to 5 mill than Paul is

[Snacks]

they never tried to trade him. they wouldnt, not because he is untouchable too good, but because his contract is uninsured. no one would ever touch it except the knicks. so just dancing his name out there knowin you cant deal him would only piss him off. They never tried to deal him, never offered him to anyone. and now that they have tyson, they shouldnt. the only thought of every trading amare came from the media and it was in regards to DH only. Now that they signed chandler, it would almost be stupid to do that. its alot easier to find a good guard than it is to find good big men, always. Amare will be here for the rest of that deal.


this is what i heard and of course the writers had bring it up to amare he just didnt care.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/7241/cp3-trade-rumor-didnt-bother-amare

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-10635439

and then there was this article which is not a trade offer or even consideration but 1 guys opinion on how the knicks should trade for howard.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/978902-nba-trade-rumors-knicks-have-the-most-to-offer-for-dwight-howard

this was my fav part even though it had nothing to do with amare.

Lopez is arguably the second-best center in the league but is a distant second defensively. Bynum has shown flashes of his talent when he does play, but he only averages 50 games per year.

I really hope Orlando feels this way (as do i) about lopez and decide to trade for him rather then bynum.

[Snoogans]

this is what i heard and of course the writers had bring it up to amare he just didnt care.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/7241/cp3-trade-rumor-didnt-bother-amare

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ycn-10635439

and then there was this article which is not a trade offer or even consideration but 1 guys opinion on how the knicks should trade for howard.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/978902-nba-trade-rumors-knicks-have-the-most-to-offer-for-dwight-howard

this was my fav part even though it had nothing to do with amare.



I really hope Orlando feels this way (as do i) about lopez and decide to trade for him rather then bynum.

all those reports are hilarious. NO wont take the lakers or clips offers, but they were gonna take amare, ok. Where the fuck does yahoo and espn find these jerkoffs?


Bleacher report sucks too

[cougarjake13]

i think he means trade amare for expiring deals and then use the cap room to sign paul, btu no. JAKE, STOP. seriously. first of all, no one is taking on amares contract. 2, why the fuck would you deal him for Paul. They both have injury questions. you dont deal big men for small. You can find decent enough guards. You cant find a PF who is gonna drop 25+ a game like that.

yeh i wasnt saying trade amare for paul but rather your deal


and im not the knicks can or will or should


just seems weird that paul not long ago said he wants to go to knicks
laker deal gets squashed, so does a clip joint deal

just seems a lil suspicious and somehow maybe he'll wind up a knick
not even saying they need paul

[hanso]

How is that gunna happen?

Knicks have NOTHING to give them other than the 3 guys and I don't think anyone of them go.

And they would be KILLED for takin that deal.

And one of them just busted his knee man.

[spoon]

Holy fuck. I don't watch NBA talk much but this Ben Maller guy is a complete homer asshole.

Chris Paul, "HAS TO GO TO THE CLIPPERS". Why? "Bc what a tandem and it's LA."

Howard, "If Dwight Howard has any say in this, he's GOT to play for the Lakers. You don't want to go to Dallas bc they just won the championship...you don't want to play for the Nets unless your gonna become the vice president of Russia, I know their moving to Brooklyn...the Lakers are the team, they've always had the best players in the NBA."

Guess where this guy is from?

What a complete asshole take on the NBA, much less the sporting world overall. I fucking hate LA.

[Kevin]

Holy fuck. I don't watch NBA talk much but this Ben Maller guy is a complete homer asshole.

Chris Paul, "HAS TO GO TO THE CLIPPERS". Why? "Bc what a tandem and it's LA."

Howard, "If Dwight Howard has any say in this, he's GOT to play for the Lakers. You don't want to go to Dallas bc they just won the championship...you don't want to play for the Nets unless your gonna become the vice president of Russia, I know their moving to Brooklyn...the Lakers are the team, they've always had the best players in the NBA."

Guess where this guy is from?

What a complete asshole take on the NBA, much less the sporting world overall. I fucking hate LA.

The funny part is if both players get traded to both teams both teams are worse off.

The players they would have to give weakens both alot.

They are just big splash big name hungry.

[Snoogans]

Chris paul to the CLIPPERS

Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, A Aminu and a first round to NO for paul


I dont see how thats near as good as Odom, Scola, Kevin Martin, another guy and 2 picks but, apparently stern thinks so

[Snacks]

Chris paul to the CLIPPERS

Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman, A Aminu and a first round to NO for paul


I dont see how thats near as good as Odom, Scola, Kevin Martin, another guy and 2 picks but, apparently stern thinks so

not even close to as good as the laker trade. the nba really fucked this up and this will piss me off when it fucks the nets out of DH.

[Snoogans]

not even close to as good as the laker trade. the nba really fucked this up and this will piss me off when it fucks the nets out of DH.

You guys might get ROYAL fucked. First off, Orlando is gonna do everything it can to make howard stay, but he wont. But the Lakers will eventually cave and put gasol in a deal and add some picks. Its gonna be REALLY hard for the Nets to get anyone.

And Nene just signed with Denver.

You better hope lopez develops in warp speed or Deron is gone. They are sayin Dallas already cleared enough room goin into this summer to outright sign him

[Snoogans]

Marc Stein is first to the post with news that the Clippers caved and will include Eric Gordon in a deal for Chris Paul, as long as Neil Olshey says "no takesies backsies" before David Stern can veto. The haul is pretty good for New Orleans: Gordon, Chris Kaman, Al-Farouq Aminu, and Minnesota's first-round pick. Paul will reportedly not opt out for 2012-2013, so Los Angeles is guaranteed at least two years of CP3 dishing to Blake Griffin.


that makes sense, since griffin is a FA after 2012 - 2013. I have a feeling both will actually end up staying there, but its smart of paul to just keep that year and not get into long term and then have guys leave like Baron Davis did

[Snoogans]

Cavs just used amnesty on Baron Davis. Knicks apparently have already offered him the 2.5 mill they have left in exemption to take if he clears waivers.

[cougarjake13]

Magic have apparently taken Howard off the block

Could just be a ploy thou

[Snoogans]

Magic have apparently taken Howard off the block

Could just be a ploy thou

its to get the lakers to throw in extra shit, and to give cuban a chance to come up with an offer

[hanso]

Can't spell Clippers with out...
Come back and stay for good this time

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Artest or whatever you wanna call him is the Gary Busey of the NBA



http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33852495

[Snoogans]

Snacks, im officially scared of the nets now. First Sheldon Williams, now Shawne Williams. fuck

[Snacks]

Snacks, im officially scared of the nets now. First Sheldon Williams, now Shawne Williams. fuck

dont forget they are about to sign the overrated and overpaid AK47. Fucking hate what this team has done so far.

BTW whats going on with Humphries? I havent heard anything about him other then his divorce.

[cougarjake13]

Hes seriously a fucked up mental case

GettIn help my ass

[Snoogans]

dont forget they are about to sign the overrated and overpaid AK47. Fucking hate what this team has done so far.

BTW whats going on with Humphries? I havent heard anything about him other then his divorce.

you guys are just talkin to him now because none of the other guys you wanted are left. So most likely you are gonna bring back hump as the 4 and put AK47 at the 3. I guess Shawne Williams is your 6th man. you are gonna fuckin HATE him

Trust me, the first time you kick him out a ball for a wide open 3 and he pump fakes it and tries to drive to the basket and turns it over, you are gonna go apeshit. Im so glad you dopes signed him

[Kevin]

There were two top FAs and the Nets got both of them. They are going to take alot of knick fans with these HUGR signings.

[Snacks]

you guys are just talkin to him now because none of the other guys you wanted are left. So most likely you are gonna bring back hump as the 4 and put AK47 at the 3. I guess Shawne Williams is your 6th man. you are gonna fuckin HATE him

Trust me, the first time you kick him out a ball for a wide open 3 and he pump fakes it and tries to drive to the basket and turns it over, you are gonna go apeshit. Im so glad you dopes signed him

I dont love Shawne Williams but I did just read something on rotoworld that the knocks wanted to resign him but he turned them down. They also said that being on the nets he will be a solid fantasy pick. Now I have no idea why, hes decent but unless he starts and gets mins I wouldnt want him.

I really hope we walk away from AK47 he sucks. How was he ever a max contract guy? Last year he made $17 million hes nothing more then a lanky 12 maybe 14 point guy who gets 5 rebs. We dont need that and hes always hurt.

[spoon]

who lined up all that and 1 talent?

what team is the professor on now?

[Kevin]

I dont love Shawne Williams but I did just read something on rotoworld that the knocks wanted to resign him but he turned them down. They also said that being on the nets he will be a solid fantasy pick. Now I have no idea why, hes decent but unless he starts and gets mins I wouldnt want him.

I really hope we walk away from AK47 he sucks. How was he ever a max contract guy? Last year he made $17 million hes nothing more then a lanky 12 maybe 14 point guy who gets 5 rebs. We dont need that and hes always hurt.

Thats a load of BS. He wanted to sign with The Knicks and waited but i guess he got tired of them going after other guys and putting him on the afterburner.

He is an annoying player to watch.

He put up some #s but you will get so sick of him.

[Snoogans]

I dont love Shawne Williams but I did just read something on rotoworld that the knocks wanted to resign him but he turned them down. They also said that being on the nets he will be a solid fantasy pick. Now I have no idea why, hes decent but unless he starts and gets mins I wouldnt want him.

I really hope we walk away from AK47 he sucks. How was he ever a max contract guy? Last year he made $17 million hes nothing more then a lanky 12 maybe 14 point guy who gets 5 rebs. We dont need that and hes always hurt.

the knicks offered him 1 year 800K minimum. You guys gave him 2 years 5 mill. and he still thought about stayin.

Apparently they are sayin williams is gonna start for you guys at the 3. He is ok, he shot like 40% from 3 point range last year. But he fuckin passed up on wide open shots all the time. He would get it, wait like 3 seconds then drive to the hoop and fuck it up. he is a weird guy


btw you just amnestied travis outlaw. you spent 40 mill basically for 1 year. Awesome

[Kevin]

the knicks offered him 1 year 800K minimum. You guys gave him 2 years 5 mill. and he still thought about stayin.

Apparently they are sayin williams is gonna start for you guys at the 3. He is ok, he shot like 40% from 3 point range last year. But he fuckin passed up on wide open shots all the time. He would get it, wait like 3 seconds then drive to the hoop and fuck it up. he is a weird guy


btw you just amnestied travis outlaw. you spent 40 mill basically for 1 year. Awesome

What do Travis Outlaw and Michael Jordan have in common?

They both have made 40mil in one year.

[Snacks]

the knicks offered him 1 year 800K minimum. You guys gave him 2 years 5 mill. and he still thought about stayin.

Apparently they are sayin williams is gonna start for you guys at the 3. He is ok, he shot like 40% from 3 point range last year. But he fuckin passed up on wide open shots all the time. He would get it, wait like 3 seconds then drive to the hoop and fuck it up. he is a weird guy


btw you just amnestied travis outlaw. you spent 40 mill basically for 1 year. Awesome

he had 4 years $28 million left on his 5 year $35 mil contract. So yes we paid $35 mil for 1 years service but didnt you do the same with Billups? You paid him $13 mil last year and $14 mil this year. so you basically paid him $27 million for 1 year. You also didnt have to pick up his $14 mil option but did just to cut him? Now thats AWESOME! Orl just paid Agent Zero $60 plus mil to get rid of him plus $20 mil last season so they paid $80 mil for 1 year. Thats why they wanted this amnesty, to get rid of bad contracts. I never liked the outlaw signing just like i dont like AK47 and hope that falls through.

and Williams was offered the exact same money, 2 year $5 million exception that the knicks offered. Heard that on wfan and here (link). I think the final # after the new deal is signed will be around 2 years $6 million under the new exception rules.

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/12/shawne-williams-will-be-a-net.html

When news broke that Shawne Williams, recent target of the Knicks' free-agent pursuits, had decided to sign with the New Jersey Nets, the initial assumption was that Williams had chosen to follow the bigger contract. However, it now appears that Williams will receive the same two-year, $5 million "room" exception contract that the Knicks were offering. So, some combination of the Nets' pitch (likely a more prominent role, perhaps some illegal hammerhead shark caviar from Mikhail Prokhorov's private stash)

[Snoogans]

he had 4 years $28 million left on his 5 year $35 mil contract. So yes we paid $35 mil for 1 years service but didnt you do the same with Billups? You paid him $13 mil last year and $14 mil this year. so you basically paid him $27 million for 1 year. You also didnt have to pick up his $14 mil option but did just to cut him? Now thats AWESOME! Orl just paid Agent Zero $60 plus mil to get rid of him plus $20 mil last season so they paid $80 mil for 1 year. Thats why they wanted this amnesty, to get rid of bad contracts. I never liked the outlaw signing just like i dont like AK47 and hope that falls through.

and Williams was offered the exact same money, 2 year $5 million exception that the knicks offered. Heard that on wfan and here (link). I think the final # after the new deal is signed will be around 2 years $6 million under the new exception rules.

http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/12/shawne-williams-will-be-a-net.html

thats not what i heard, but even still, i think he ultimately left cause you guys are letting him start and we wouldnt. and on billups, we got him in feb. so we only paid like 3 of his 13 last year, not the whole thing.

[Snacks]

thats not what i heard, but even still, i think he ultimately left cause you guys are letting him start and we wouldnt. and on billups, we got him in feb. so we only paid like 3 of his 13 last year, not the whole thing.

even so why did they pick up the $14 mil option to turn around and cut him anyway? they could have saved it by not picking him up?

i dont get any of these fucking teams.

[Snoogans]

even so why did they pick up the $14 mil option to turn around and cut him anyway? they could have saved it by not picking him up?

i dont get any of these fucking teams.
they picked it up because im sure they didnt think tyson chandler would be available to sign. They figured they would run the one year with billups and then go after DH or CP. Once tyson came available and they realized the lakers or clippers would get CP, they pulled the trigger for tyson

[hanso]

Got a preseason game on the teams are playing hard like it was a real game.

[cougarjake13]

Got a preseason game on the teams are playing hard like it was a real game.

theyre just happy lock outs over

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if Kobe has a prenup.



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7361319/kobe-bryant-wife-files-divorce-los-angeles-lakers-star

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if Kobe has a prenup.



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7361319/kobe-bryant-wife-files-divorce-los-angeles-lakers-star

guess that ring only bought him a few more years



and now his transformation into jordan junior is almost complete

[hanso]

BTW I made a fantasy league

info here

http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2916164&postcount=345

[Crispy123]

Magic have apparently taken Howard off the block

Could just be a ploy thou

What the fuck am I supposed to do with all these jersey's now?!?! Shit!

[Snoogans]

I wonder if Kobe has a prenup.



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7361319/kobe-bryant-wife-files-divorce-los-angeles-lakers-star

the actual answer is no, he doesnt

[underdog]

That Kendrick Perkins trade last year might go down as one of the worst ever.

Jeff Green out for season, scheduled for Open Heart Surgery (http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7362378/jeff-green-boston-celtics-heart-surgery-season)

[Snacks]

That Kendrick Perkins trade last year might go down as one of the worst ever.

Jeff Green out for season, scheduled for Open Heart Surgery (http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7362378/jeff-green-boston-celtics-heart-surgery-season)

I didnt read the article but that sucks, but how did boston not pick this up last week when they resigned him? they just gave him like $9 million for this year. doesnt he need to take a physical before signing these contracts?

hope he recovers he was a pretty good player that hasnt lived up to his potential.

[A.J.]

That Kendrick Perkins trade last year might go down as one of the worst ever.

Jeff Green out for season, scheduled for Open Heart Surgery (http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/7362378/jeff-green-boston-celtics-heart-surgery-season)

Well, at least they caught it in time before he pulled a Reggie Lewis.

[Snoogans]

I didnt read the article but that sucks, but how did boston not pick this up last week when they resigned him? they just gave him like $9 million for this year. doesnt he need to take a physical before signing these contracts?

hope he recovers he was a pretty good player that hasnt lived up to his potential.

he didnt pass the physical, contract is voided. so they dont owe him shit

[Snoogans]

snacks, seriously. call billy king. tell him to bring back the hump. you fools are starting sheldon williams at the 4

[Snacks]

snacks, seriously. call billy king. tell him to bring back the hump. you fools are starting sheldon williams at the 4

can you tell me whats going on with hump? i havent read a thing about him not 1 team is mentioned or that he has gone to visit any teams?

did the preseason game start? have they mentioned anything about him?

[hanso]

It's on now.

[Snacks]

I like Morrow starting at shooting guard. I dont like your the knicks back court I know you dont either snoogs. Douglas is your starting pg? Fields could be good a shooter but might be too slow to handle some faster shooters but he could be better fit there on offense. if he gets comfortable he could be a solid shooter for you.

[Snacks]

It's on now.

i just put the tv on and it was starting. thanks

[Snoogans]

I like Morrow starting at shooting guard. I dont like your the knicks back court I know you dont either snoogs. Douglas is your starting pg? Fields could be good a shooter but might be too slow to handle some faster shooters but he could be better fit there on offense. if he gets comfortable he could be a solid shooter for you.

i like TD alot more than Fields. I think he is gonna surprise some people. That said, we still need to find another guy there. we are talkin to redd and to maurice evans for the year. And hopin this kid shumpert is gonna be something. Fields will be ok whenever dantoni is gone and we start playing a real half court offense, cause thats what we are built for.

and damn this shit is ugly

[Snoogans]

who the fuck is harrelson? he is gonna get alot of minutes now. that 3 probably gave dantoni a hard on

[Snacks]

i like TD alot more than Fields. I think he is gonna surprise some people. That said, we still need to find another guy there. we are talkin to redd and to maurice evans for the year. And hopin this kid shumpert is gonna be something. Fields will be ok whenever dantoni is gone and we start playing a real half court offense, cause thats what we are built for.

and damn this shit is ugly

how is redd still available and why is he going to be signed so cheap? did soemthing happen to him last year or this offseason? if you can get redd that is a nice signing.

[Snacks]

the nets not only have the ugliest female court reporter they also have the dumbest. she didnt even research her questions before asking them to Deron. I loved when he called her out saying he never publicly asked for Dwight Howard.

[Snoogans]

how is redd still available and why is he going to be signed so cheap? did soemthing happen to him last year or this offseason? if you can get redd that is a nice signing.

just being old and oft injured i think. knicks are lookin like they might pull him for the 1.4 and save the 2.5 for when BD is healthy since thats a 2 year exemption and would give them a better run of it if he plays well.

I think redd would be perfect for the 2. throw him out there 15-20 min a game and bomb 3s.

[Snoogans]

the nets not only have the ugliest female court reporter they also have the dumbest. she didnt even research her questions before asking them to Deron. I loved when he called her out saying he never publicly asked for Dwight Howard.

im watchin on MSG, who interviewed shumpert goin into the half. he admitted he was way too pumped up and will prob calm down now that he got his first run. i thought he looked pretty good actually.

[hanso]

how is redd still available and why is he going to be signed so cheap? did soemthing happen to him last year or this offseason? if you can get redd that is a nice signing.

The Heat should get him. If only for going over the top in using the term "Redd hot heat".

[Snacks]

I just bought 5 tickets to the nets home opener to take my brother and his family. This may be the last time I see them in NJ and figured if Im only going to 1 game this year might as well be the opener. They said they are giving away Williams replica jerseys so the kids should like that (so will I).

Has anyone here every used stubhub? I never did Im a little nervous because the tickets are so cheap on that site.

[cougarjake13]

I just bought 5 tickets to the nets home opener to take my brother and his family. This may be the last time I see them in NJ and figured if Im only going to 1 game this year might as well be the opener. They said they are giving away Williams replica jerseys so the kids should like that (so will I).

Has anyone here every used stubhub? I never did Im a little nervous because the tickets are so cheap on that site.

ive never had any problems using stub hub

[Snacks]

ive never had any problems using stub hub

Im not getting actual tickets just print outs, i have never used print out tickets so that on top of never using stub hub is what is making me nervous.

[Snoogans]

I just bought 5 tickets to the nets home opener to take my brother and his family. This may be the last time I see them in NJ and figured if Im only going to 1 game this year might as well be the opener. They said they are giving away Williams replica jerseys so the kids should like that (so will I).

Has anyone here every used stubhub? I never did Im a little nervous because the tickets are so cheap on that site.

stubhub is legit bro. its run and owned by ebay, no worries

[spoon]

yah stubhub is completely backed and I've used them countless times

[Kevin]

Im not getting actual tickets just print outs, i have never used print out tickets so that on top of never using stub hub is what is making me nervous.

I used print outs for Yankee games alot and they have always taken them, like everyone has said, no worries.

[Snacks]

sounds good thanks. im really looking forward to going to the game even though im not expecting much from the team this year. if the team stays as is (meaning hump signs) i expect 24-42. if they get howard i expect playoffs and 30-35 plus wins but it all depends on when and if this trade ever goes down. right now the nets might have the worst starting sf and pf in the league. i think the bench is better this year and like morrow and williams in the back court. it would be nice to see them make the playoffs their last year in jersey but the east has gotten better so it will be tough without making a big trade or signing.

[Snoogans]

Knicks just agreed to terms with Baron Davis. Hopefully his back heals up cause if he is ok, and motivated, he is a real good guy to have

[Snacks]

Knicks just agreed to terms with Baron Davis. Hopefully his back heals up cause if he is ok, and motivated, he is a real good guy to have

hes out like 6 weeks right? he needs to lose some weight hes too fat for a guard.

[Snoogans]

hes out like 6 weeks right? he needs to lose some weight hes too fat for a guard.

8 i think. im hoping part of the weight is fromt he back. He played really well last year with the clippers until they dealt him and he quit.

[Snacks]

8 i think. im hoping part of the weight is fromt he back. He played really well last year with the clippers until they dealt him and he quit.

... and got fat

[epo]

... and got fat

Baron can put on weight, but realistically he quit on the Clippers.

The questions are can he stay healthy & motivated?

It's a great gamble for the Knicks.

[Snoogans]

at 1 year, its not even really a gamble. if it doesnt work, they just let him go. its basically a 0 risk big potential reward

[Snacks]

Baron can put on weight, but realistically he quit on the Clippers.

The questions are can he stay healthy & motivated?

It's a great gamble for the Knicks.

agreed , he probably got the vet min so its worth the shot even though he will miss 2 months.

[Snacks]

Quick question to those that used stub hub. I got the download the other day to print out the ticket. Everything looks good, it actually looks like a ticket up top and then advertising down bottom with a barcode in both the ticket and then again in the very bottom.

My only question is. The tickets say "issued to" and then some random guys name and the date. Im guessing the name of "issued to" is that of the guy who originally purchased the tickets? Does it matter that my name isnt on the print out or that of someone who isnt going?

Like I said I never used stub hub and never used or purchased someones print out tickets before. Just making sure before I go and get asked for id or have a problem or if this is the normal shit on print outs?

[Kevin]

Quick question to those that used stub hub. I got the download the other day to print out the ticket. Everything looks good, it actually looks like a ticket up top and then advertising down bottom with a barcode in both the ticket and then again in the very bottom.

My only question is. The tickets say "issued to" and then some random guys name and the date. Im guessing the name of "issued to" is that of the guy who originally purchased the tickets? Does it matter that my name isnt on the print out or that of someone who isnt going?

Like I said I never used stub hub and never used or purchased someones print out tickets before. Just making sure before I go and get asked for id or have a problem or if this is the normal shit on print outs?

Its normal, ive used those print outs alot.

If you got it directly from the stub hub directed website, then you are ok.

[cougarjake13]

stub hub !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Snacks]

Its normal, ive used those print outs alot.

If you got it directly from the stub hub directed website, then you are ok.

yeah it came directly from stub hub and i had to sign in to my account to print them. so everything sounds good then, thanks

[hanso]

Clippers looked good Vs Lakers other night they go again tonight minus Kobe he hurt wrist.


Looks like RFN NBA fantasy leauge will start 1 week after NBA opens Sun.. Unless 3-5 more join by tomorrow.

Any that want to join
Info

League ID: 100515
Name RFN
Password hey

http://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/100515

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Going to be interesting who has more wins. Lakers or Clippers

[hanso]

Going to be interesting who has more wins. Lakers or Clippers

They're saying Kobe could be out up to 3 weeks or he might start opening day. If he misses weeks that's more games now the way its set up this season with back to back games.

[hanso]

There are doing better w/o him this time around.

[cougarjake13]

If I was Lakers I would just let him rest no need to rush him back soon

[hanso]

If I was Lakers I would just let him rest no need to rush him back soon

Last time the Clippers swept the Lakers was in '92-'93 could it happen again this season?

Cougarjake you can ask those friends you said about joining RFN NBA now please TY.

[Snoogans]

snacks, wow man, what a tough break.

Brook Lopez will have surgery tomorrow to fix a stress fracture in his foot he suffered last night. he is out indefinately. They said its similar to the shit that eventually forced big Yao to retire early.

They are also sayin Orlando now has ZERO intention of even talking to the nets about a deal

[Snacks]

snacks, wow man, what a tough break.

Brook Lopez will have surgery tomorrow to fix a stress fracture in his foot he suffered last night. he is out indefinately. They said its similar to the shit that eventually forced big Yao to retire early.

They are also sayin Orlando now has ZERO intention of even talking to the nets about a deal

just heard its over for this team and any trade possibility. i think this also hurts them resigning williams. this is why you get the trade done before the season, assholes. oh well wtf you going to do.

[Snoogans]

just heard its over for this team and any trade possibility. i think this also hurts them resigning williams. this is why you get the trade done before the season, assholes. oh well wtf you going to do.

they expect him back in feb. deadline is march 15th now cause the shit. so if he hasnt been dealt to the lakers by then, you still have a chance. plus, i hear DH is REALLY pissed at smith and the magic and is considering saying fuck you and goin FA no matter what. I dont htink hope is completely lost, but i think you really have to have some miracle help you out here.


WE WANT HUMPHRIS

[Snacks]

they expect him back in feb. deadline is march 15th now cause the shit. so if he hasnt been dealt to the lakers by then, you still have a chance. plus, i hear DH is REALLY pissed at smith and the magic and is considering saying fuck you and goin FA no matter what. I dont htink hope is completely lost, but i think you really have to have some miracle help you out here.


WE WANT HUMPHRIS

to be honest at this point i hope that is what happens. if he goes FA and somehow we sign DH that will help us keep Williams and we will also get to keep Lopez without giving him up (he is still cheap for 1 more year after this year) and our draft picks. We just signed Hump to 1 year so $8 million comes off the books and we are already 10-12 million under the cap. We could easily afford DH, Williams, Lopez and only lose Hump to free agency. Worst case we would have to cut Farmer which who cares. How nasty would that be. DH at C, Lopez at PF, Williams at PG Morrow at SG and anyone at SF maybe a rookie who we use with 1 of our 2 1st round draft picks.

BTW how disgusting was the crowd last night booing Hump? I couldnt believe it, booing him was like siding with Kim K. I dont know anything about their relationship or marriage other then it lasted 72 days. But what I have heard recently its all her fault and she used him and he was hurt by what happened. Why people would side with that fucked up family is beyond me.

[Snoogans]

to be honest at this point i hope that is what happens. if he goes FA and somehow we sign DH that will help us keep Williams and we will also get to keep Lopez without giving him up (he is still cheap for 1 more year after this year) and our draft picks. We just signed Hump to 1 year so $8 million comes off the books and we are already 10-12 million under the cap. We could easily afford DH, Williams, Lopez and only lose Hump to free agency. Worst case we would have to cut Farmer which who cares. How nasty would that be. DH at C, Lopez at PF, Williams at PG Morrow at SG and anyone at SF maybe a rookie who we use with 1 of our 2 1st round draft picks.

BTW how disgusting was the crowd last night booing Hump? I couldnt believe it, booing him was like siding with Kim K. I dont know anything about their relationship or marriage other then it lasted 72 days. But what I have heard recently its all her fault and she used him and he was hurt by what happened. Why people would side with that fucked up family is beyond me.

i think it was just to fuck with him. thats why they chanted to have him come back on the court.

[Kevin]

to be honest at this point i hope that is what happens. if he goes FA and somehow we sign DH that will help us keep Williams and we will also get to keep Lopez without giving him up (he is still cheap for 1 more year after this year) and our draft picks. We just signed Hump to 1 year so $8 million comes off the books and we are already 10-12 million under the cap. We could easily afford DH, Williams, Lopez and only lose Hump to free agency. Worst case we would have to cut Farmer which who cares. How nasty would that be. DH at C, Lopez at PF, Williams at PG Morrow at SG and anyone at SF maybe a rookie who we use with 1 of our 2 1st round draft picks.

BTW how disgusting was the crowd last night booing Hump? I couldnt believe it, booing him was like siding with Kim K. I dont know anything about their relationship or marriage other then it lasted 72 days. But what I have heard recently its all her fault and she used him and he was hurt by what happened. Why people would side with that fucked up family is beyond me.

Stephan A said today that LA has BOTH Bynum and Gasol.

I don't they will say no to that and DH will sign in LA.

[Snacks]

Stephan A said today that LA has BOTH Bynum and Gasol.

I don't they will say no to that and DH will sign in LA.

I agree with that but from what I understand LA doesnt want to give up both for DH. They want to get DH for 1 and use the other for another piece. If they did that trade they would have DH, and older Kobe and not much else and no space.

The 2nd thing is Orl wouldnt take both of those players because they wouldnt get much return. The 2 cost $32 million or total so they would be picking up about $14 million in salary when they actually want to loses about 20 million over all by trading Tuqo, DH and whatever else they can get rid of and rebuild.

It will be interesting and I want Howard but nothing is going to happen for NJ until Brook comes backs or DH forces a trade to NJ and orl takes Brook while hes hurt and I dont see that happening.

[Snoogans]

I agree with that but from what I understand LA doesnt want to give up both for DH. They want to get DH for 1 and use the other for another piece. If they did that trade they would have DH, and older Kobe and not much else and no space.

The 2nd thing is Orl wouldnt take both of those players because they wouldnt get much return. The 2 cost $32 million or total so they would be picking up about $14 million in salary when they actually want to loses about 20 million over all by trading Tuqo, DH and whatever else they can get rid of and rebuild.

It will be interesting and I want Howard but nothing is going to happen for NJ until Brook comes backs or DH forces a trade to NJ and orl takes Brook while hes hurt and I dont see that happening.

they actually would have space cause thy already cleared odom. the cap will be 58 this year and 58 next eyar

[Snoogans]

nets just traded for mehmet okur. HUGE

[Snacks]

nets just traded for mehmet okur. HUGE

actually that is a nice trade and fill in for brook at a cheap price a 2nd round pick. he could very well be a 15 pts 7 reb guy and he has played with Deron and Im sure that makes him happy. That wont keep him here but every little thing helps!

Big question is why did Utah make this trade? I know he was hurt last season but he is a very solid, mid priced C with talent and hes like 30.

[cougarjake13]

season has begun !!!!





































is it over yet ???????????

[Fallon]

C's aren't very good.

[A.J.]

C's aren't very good.

Especially with the Captain being out. They're old and not very deep.

[underdog]

C's aren't very good.



They turned it around.

[hanso]

Knicks should lose just for Spike wearing that hat indoors.

[cougarjake13]

winner winner chicken dinner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Painfully slow paced and poorly officiated. Damn I didn't miss this shit.

[Snoogans]

Knicks should lose just for Spike wearing that hat indoors.

in general. what a ridiculous hat

[hanso]

Mia running rimshot over Dal.

Free preview of NBA League Pass from 12/25-1/8

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Guess the Lakers will have to go 65-1


Announcers sounded like they still couldnt believe they were saying Metta World Peace

[cougarjake13]

Guess the Lakers will have to go 65-1


Announcers sounded like they still couldnt believe they were saying Metta World Peace




fuck that id still call him artest

[Crispy_Mobile]

Maybe with the short season, Lebron can perform thru the entire finals. Go Heat!

[cougarjake13]

Maybe with the short season, Lebron can perform thru the entire finals. Go Heat!



he'll still choke


done twice now in finals

[Crispy_Mobile]

Bullshit. He's matured.

[cougarjake13]

Bullshit. He's matured.



so has the shit i left in my toilet and didnt flush for weeks

[Kevin]

Bullshit. He's matured.

Yea 1 game vs a now terrible Mavs team who lost their inside presence and have no scoring besides Dirk, really shows that LeChoke matured...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

fuck that id still call him artest

They should call him the Athlete formerly known as Ron

[hanso]

They should call him the Athlete formerly known as Ron

The game I saw they did something like that. "Artist formally known as Artest" I believe the guy said.

Wtg Crispy_Mobile Picked him first in the draft. Artest may have also, but he got tossed from his first game on his new team.

Saw on fantasy AK47 has NA by his name. Didn't think he was hurt. And if that's the case he may have gotten traded. Or it could be family matters, there are no notes I saw.

[hanso]

A drunk guy in Santa suit in Dal. yelled out to L James on foul line. "What do you want for X-Mas Lebron a ring?'

That Kobe is a warrior playing after getting hurt. He must not have been right though. He was getting put back all over.

[cougarjake13]

A drunk guy in Santa suit in Dal. yelled out to L James on foul line. "What do you want for X-Mas Lebron a ring?'.


nice

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[hanso]

Dude had his beard rolled back to yell while holding a mixed drink in hand. I was watching the game and could make out what he said.

[A.J.]

fuck that id still call him artest

Just like I call Kareem "Lew Alcindor".

[cougarjake13]

Just like I call Kareem "Lew Alcindor".



i dont give a fuck what anyone says mahmoud abdul rauf is still motherfucking chris jackson to me

[Snacks]

Holy shit, watching this nets game is bad. They cant buy a basket plus the booing of Humphries every time he touches the ball is getting old quick. Got to blame knicks fans, if they didnt start this shit it wouldnt have been the "cool" thing to do.

[HBox]

Holy shit, watching this nets game is bad. They cant buy a basket plus the booing of Humphries every time he touches the ball is getting old quick. Got to blame knicks fans, if they didnt start this shit it wouldnt have been the "cool" thing to do.

When did NBA fans turn into a bunch of fat, old, tabloid reading, reality show watching housewives?

[epo]

When did NBA fans turn into a bunch of fat, old, tabloid reading, reality show watching housewives?

So we live in a world where a likeable dope(Kris Humphries) who married a sextape no-talent whore, is a villain...but a sexual harrasser (Monta Ellis) is cheered everytime he touches the ball?

Our society has obviously jumped the shark.

[cougarjake13]

We live in a very fucked up world

And this is all here to distract us from the real shit goin on

[Snacks]

So we live in a world where a likeable dope(Kris Humphries) who married a sextape no-talent whore, is a villain...but a sexual harrasser (Monta Ellis) is cheered everytime he touches the ball?

Our society has obviously jumped the shark.

No shit! He is a good guy who plays hard. His only mistake in life is marrying a whore and yet he is booed and is the most hated player in the NBA? It amazes me, but thats fine he looked good tonight and didnt seem to let it bother him. Im going to the game tomorrow so hopefully the home fans treat him better.

[Snoogans]

No shit! He is a good guy who plays hard. His only mistake in life is marrying a whore and yet he is booed and is the most hated player in the NBA? It amazes me, but thats fine he looked good tonight and didnt seem to let it bother him. Im going to the game tomorrow so hopefully the home fans treat him better.

it wasnt a smistake. he didnt marry her cause he liked her. he did it to try to get famous. and he got what he wanted. famous. not good, but famous. fuck him, he is a moron.

Gallinari had the good sense to tell her no when she tried to hookup with him 6 months before hump

[epo]

it wasnt a smistake. he didnt marry her cause he liked her. he did it to try to get famous. and he got what he wanted. famous. not good, but famous. fuck him, he is a moron.

Gallinari had the good sense to tell her no when she tried to hookup with him 6 months before hump

Its kind of a joke though. He's a dope who gets married to a no-talent whore and he's the villain?

I get that its a horrible decision marrying that chick, but honestly...how is he suddenly this quiet guy who plays hard and gets booed for stepping foot on the court?

[Snacks]

it wasnt a smistake. he didnt marry her cause he liked her. he did it to try to get famous. and he got what he wanted. famous. not good, but famous. fuck him, he is a moron.

Gallinari had the good sense to tell her no when she tried to hookup with him 6 months before hump

Why do you think he dated her/married for any reason other then he thought she was hot and wanted to? I dont watch the show or know much but from what I have read was he fell in love with her it was all about her fame. He didnt want anything to do with any of the other crap it just came with dating her so for her he went along with whatever because she wanted him to. Like Epo says why is he the villain? He was never a public eye whore and even while he was with her he didnt change and act differently and seek the cameras. he only was seen and heard while he was with her.

[Snoogans]

Why do you think he dated her/married for any reason other then he thought she was hot and wanted to? I dont watch the show or know much but from what I have read was he fell in love with her it was all about her fame. He didnt want anything to do with any of the other crap it just came with dating her so for her he went along with whatever because she wanted him to. Like Epo says why is he the villain? He was never a public eye whore and even while he was with her he didnt change and act differently and seek the cameras. he only was seen and heard while he was with her.

its not about the show. apparently, and this isnt me making shit up, this is shit kevin frazier ( ET, used to be a sportscenter anchor) told SAS on air last week.

When the kardashians were setting up the show, which was supposed to be called Kim and Khloe take NY, they wanted to hook her up with an NBA player for the show and have them get married. it was all a big set up. She contacted Gallinari's people and he agreed to meet her but said he didnt want the stress of being on the show and being part of all that. So they contacted the Hump cause kim thought he was sorta cute, and asked if he would do it. there was no real relationship, no dating, no nothing. Apparently the whole thing was a huge set up to get kim and khloe tv weddings and money, and the Hump only went along with it to get his star up basically. he didnt really care, and thats where that Hump is gay shit came from. cause he wouldnt really touch her, cause he didnt care about her. He was tryin to use her for his career the same way she was using him for hers. it just backfired on him. But it was all set up and it was supposed to be Gallo

[Snoogans]

Its kind of a joke though. He's a dope who gets married to a no-talent whore and he's the villain?

I get that its a horrible decision marrying that chick, but honestly...how is he suddenly this quiet guy who plays hard and gets booed for stepping foot on the court?.

its not about the show. apparently, and this isnt me making shit up, this is shit kevin frazier ( ET, used to be a sportscenter anchor) told SAS on air last week.

When the kardashians were setting up the show, which was supposed to be called Kim and Khloe take NY, they wanted to hook her up with an NBA player for the show and have them get married. it was all a big set up. She contacted Gallinari's people and he agreed to meet her but said he didnt want the stress of being on the show and being part of all that. So they contacted the Hump cause kim thought he was sorta cute, and asked if he would do it. there was no real relationship, no dating, no nothing. Apparently the whole thing was a huge set up to get kim and khloe tv weddings and money, and the Hump only went along with it to get his star up basically. he didnt really care, and thats where that Hump is gay shit came from. cause he wouldnt really touch her, cause he didnt care about her. He was tryin to use her for his career the same way she was using him for hers. it just backfired on him. But it was all set up and it was supposed to be Gallo

reading all that, he deserved it. if he really loved it and it was real, than he is the most unfortunate person ever, and he has been totally screwed over and its really unfair. But that wasnt the case. He tried to use her to get himself more popular, and it totally backfired on him. So fuck him.

[Snacks]

its not about the show. apparently, and this isnt me making shit up, this is shit kevin frazier ( ET, used to be a sportscenter anchor) told SAS on air last week.

When the kardashians were setting up the show, which was supposed to be called Kim and Khloe take NY, they wanted to hook her up with an NBA player for the show and have them get married. it was all a big set up. She contacted Gallinari's people and he agreed to meet her but said he didnt want the stress of being on the show and being part of all that. So they contacted the Hump cause kim thought he was sorta cute, and asked if he would do it. there was no real relationship, no dating, no nothing. Apparently the whole thing was a huge set up to get kim and khloe tv weddings and money, and the Hump only went along with it to get his star up basically. he didnt really care, and thats where that Hump is gay shit came from. cause he wouldnt really touch her, cause he didnt care about her. He was tryin to use her for his career the same way she was using him for hers. it just backfired on him. But it was all set up and it was supposed to be Gallo

Could it be true? anything is possible but to me I find that hard to believe. The guy never tried before her to be a public whore and hasnt tried since the divorce either. He has tried to stay away from the media since their separation. His father hope the annulment goes through she he (the father ) can write a tell all but Hump wants nothing to do with any of this (from what I read). Either way to boo a guy like he was MJ or Lebron is funny. Hes a good solid player but to create the hatred is ridiculous and everything I read said that the Knicks fans booed him because he was voted most hatted player and he was voted most hated player because of the Kim situation. On espn they said the people booing him might not even watch the kardashian show but those who voted him most hated player probably dont even watch the nba.

its the great technology world we live in. there are tons of great things about the web and smart phones and technology in general but this type of shit that has taken over.

[Snoogans]

Could it be true? anything is possible but to me I find that hard to believe. The guy never tried before her to be a public whore and hasnt tried since the divorce either. He has tried to stay away from the media since their separation. His father hope the annulment goes through she he (the father ) can write a tell all but Hump wants nothing to do with any of this (from what I read). Either way to boo a guy like he was MJ or Lebron is funny. Hes a good solid player but to create the hatred is ridiculous and everything I read said that the Knicks fans booed him because he was voted most hatted player and he was voted most hated player because of the Kim situation. On espn they said the people booing him might not even watch the kardashian show but those who voted him most hated player probably dont even watch the nba.

its the great technology world we live in. there are tons of great things about the web and smart phones and technology in general but this type of shit that has taken over.

again, this was being rported by an entertainment reporter who used to work for espn. He told Stephen A this wasnt even disputed or rumors, these were facts he had confirmed by the kardashian camp.

For the knicks fans thing, you knbow knicks fans bro. they just wanna fuck with people. i think they really could care less about hump, they just wanted to make fun of him. It was liek a good natured ribbing. thats why they started chanting we want hump, we want hump. it was pretty fuckin funny

as for the whole shit about kim and gallo and hump, i believe that to be 100% true and it was reported as not rumor, as 100% truth. If you go to espnradio.com you might be able to find the interview in the podcast section if you wanna hear it all exactly. it would be SAS interviewing Kevin Frazier.

And yea he never tired to be a public whore, but he was also never that good. not until last year did he really play well, and maybe he never had this kinda chance. maybe he got sick of no one caring about him and finally tried something. I really dont think its that crazy of a thought

[Snoogans]

Could it be true? anything is possible but to me I find that hard to believe. The guy never tried before her to be a public whore and hasnt tried since the divorce either. He has tried to stay away from the media since their separation. His father hope the annulment goes through she he (the father ) can write a tell all but Hump wants nothing to do with any of this (from what I read). Either way to boo a guy like he was MJ or Lebron is funny. Hes a good solid player but to create the hatred is ridiculous and everything I read said that the Knicks fans booed him because he was voted most hatted player and he was voted most hated player because of the Kim situation. On espn they said the people booing him might not even watch the kardashian show but those who voted him most hated player probably dont even watch the nba.

its the great technology world we live in. there are tons of great things about the web and smart phones and technology in general but this type of shit that has taken over.
id like to add, regardless if it was all a set up or not, alot of athletes did alot of shit to try to get their star up. I dont blame the guy, and I dont hate him, or think people should because of anything other than what he does on the court. I do feel the media and some people have been unfair to him. but i also feel the knicks crowd really was just bustin his balls for some fun.

[Snacks]

again, this was being rported by an entertainment reporter who used to work for espn. He told Stephen A this wasnt even disputed or rumors, these were facts he had confirmed by the kardashian camp.

For the knicks fans thing, you knbow knicks fans bro. they just wanna fuck with people. i think they really could care less about hump, they just wanted to make fun of him. It was liek a good natured ribbing. thats why they started chanting we want hump, we want hump. it was pretty fuckin funny

as for the whole shit about kim and gallo and hump, i believe that to be 100% true and it was reported as not rumor, as 100% truth. If you go to espnradio.com you might be able to find the interview in the podcast section if you wanna hear it all exactly. it would be SAS interviewing Kevin Frazier.

And yea he never tired to be a public whore, but he was also never that good. not until last year did he really play well, and maybe he never had this kinda chance. maybe he got sick of no one caring about him and finally tried something. I really dont think its that crazy of a thought

I cant listen to SAS for more then 2 seconds so I cant do it.

Yes he wasnt good til last season but it also was til last season he played or got the chance to play any serious mins. If you look at his stats from years past they were pretty good for the time he played. When they show his 36 min avg those #s look great. it basically say is he was given 36 mins per game as the avg starter gets he would have been avg 13 points and 11 rebs a game for his career. I think given this kid a chance he could have a nice defensive career and be a 10-12 point a night guy with 10 rebs a game. last year he played a lot the last 15 games. he avg 16 points and 16 rebs a game the last 15 games. hes good role player that could help a lot of teams.

and yes the only reason i even like him is he became a net but now that i do know about him and see how he plays i would like him when he leaves next year.

[Snoogans]

I cant listen to SAS for more then 2 seconds so I cant do it.

Yes he wasnt good til last season but it also was til last season he played or got the chance to play any serious mins. If you look at his stats from years past they were pretty good for the time he played. When they show his 36 min avg those #s look great. it basically say is he was given 36 mins per game as the avg starter gets he would have been avg 13 points and 11 rebs a game for his career. I think given this kid a chance he could have a nice defensive career and be a 10-12 point a night guy with 10 rebs a game. last year he played a lot the last 15 games. he avg 16 points and 16 rebs a game the last 15 games. hes good role player that could help a lot of teams.

and yes the only reason i even like him is he became a net but now that i do know about him and see how he plays i would like him when he leaves next year.

im not tryin to argue against your points. they are still, for the most part, valid. Im just making the point that the guy wasnt totally a victim who just fell for a chick and got hurt. It was alot more to it than that.

But like I said, i dont blame the fuckin guy. Esp him. Guys who are already famous still do that kinda shit to get more famous. So i cant get on Hump for tryin to get himself out there and maybe get some extra cash from stuff. And i cant imagine he ever thought it would end up that way.

from what i hear though, part of it was (my girlfriend told me this cause i never saw 1 second) humphries was a HUGE cock on the show. She said he would always act liek a douche toward people, even kim. I think thats why all the ladies dont like him. But again, if thats true, i think its awesome. Cause id be such a douche to that stupid attention whore. She doesnt deserve to be treated well from the things ive heard of her

[cougarjake13]

I remember seeing one clip where they were arguing and one of his responses was
No ones gonna know who you are in 5 yrs

[RingWraith]

I can't believe the announcers are actually calling Ron Artest by his stupid new name "Metta World Peace". :dry:

[Snacks]

Went to the Nets game tonight. I hate the Pru Center. I went to a concert there when it 1st opened and hated it, this was the 1st time I went to a sporting event there and still hate it. Even though the Pru Center is so easy to get to I look forward to the Barclay Center! The Nets played like shit tonight but there were some positives. It was nice to see the place packed with fans rooting for the Nets. The Nets fans LOVE Humphries, instead of boos they cheered him on like no other player and through out the game chanted "We want Humphries" and We love Humphries". I think I even heard a chant "Kim is a whore" but that was quick and quite! The rookie Marshon Brooks has talent and will be a good scorer in this league. Liked the pick but so far Im loving it and hope he gets the start soon. During the 2nd half as the Nets were looking worse and worse there were plenty of chants that grew and got louder... "WE WANT HOWARD". Until we know for sure this is going to happen every game. Its odd because the fans seems to love Lopez too but wanting Howard pretty much means we must lose him. Im fine with that but I too really like Lopez but given the choice there is none I want Howard!

Although I hate the Pru Center I did have a good time and think Im going to try to go to as many home games as possible. I would like to see at least 15-20 of the 33 home games since this is their last year that they will be this close and easy to get too.

[sailor]

what's to hate?

[cougarjake13]

Where's the new place in bk? Gonna be

[Snacks]

what's to hate?

When I went to the opening of the stadium we went to the Bon Jovi concert. Place sold old quick so we were only able to get seats in the top section. The seats are so steep. you have no legs room because your knees are just about hitting the persons head in front of you and people trying to get by cant because its to narrow/steep. Everyone pretty much has to leave the row and stand on the stairs so others can get to their seats. Another thing about being so steep you feel further/higher then a normal basketball stadium and with 1 false move you will fall forward and go over the very low guard rail.

for this game I got lower mezzanine seats because I had to get 5 together and the only available seats with that odd # on stub hub was in the middle section. Anyway I thought these shouldnt be as steep or like the upper level. I was wrong they were just as steep and narrow in the leg area. The seats themselves are comfortable and wide enough but you can move your legs or allow others to come and go. My nephew is 7 and 45 lbs my niece is 6 and like 30 lbs. even they had to go into the aisle and stand on the steps to let others pass them thats how little room there is to walk by when you stand and put the seat up.

Where's the new place in bk? Gonna be

Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn Im not too familiar with exactly where it is I just know it is going to be a nightmare to get there. For me now I can drive 7 miles to the Newark Stadium or take 1 train 1 stop and be there in 15 mins. The new stadium I will have to drive to Brooklyn via Manhattan then to Brooklyn or staten island then to Brooklyn. If I take the train I will have to go NJ to Newark, Newark to NYC to Brooklyn (and I dont know how many trains it will take to go NYC to Brooklyn to this arena).

The move to Brooklyn is a real big fuck you to their nj fans. If anything they might lose a lot of that loyalty. Moving to Brooklyn will not make this team anymore financially successful imho. Its just better for tv or free agency to say they are in Brooklyn NY rather then Newark NJ. the Newark NJ stadium is closer to NYC and easier to get to by train and a shorter distance from Manhattan. No matter where they play the Nets will be competing with the Knicks and need the support of their local area and NYC. The local Brooklyn residents arent going to support the Nets anymore then the local NJ residents did and NJ residents have a higher economic advantage then the Brooklyn /Queens residents. So what it comes down to is the NYC corp seat purchases. Why would you purchase Nets seats when you have the Knicks right in the middle of the City? I understand they will be cheaper but tyou will still have to take you clients in tons of traffic to Brooklyn just like they had to take them to the Meadowlands and now Newark but both the Meadowlands and Newark are closer and easier to get to then the new Brooklyn arena.

Im just pissed because I usually go to more basketball games then all other sports combined. Now I wont have that luxury and really dont want to go all the way to Brooklyn that often. I did recently read that the NBA wants to have a team in Newark and that Mayor Booker has been in talks with the NBA about this. I dont know how the hell that could or would happen. There wasnt enough support for the nets and now they want to compete with 2 teams not just 1?

Snoogans have you heard anything about this as well? I cant seem to find the article I read.

[Snoogans]

When I went to the opening of the stadium we went to the Bon Jovi concert. Place sold old quick so we were only able to get seats in the top section. The seats are so steep. you have no legs room because your knees are just about hitting the persons head in front of you and people trying to get by cant because its to narrow/steep. Everyone pretty much has to leave the row and stand on the stairs so others can get to their seats. Another thing about being so steep you feel further/higher then a normal basketball stadium and with 1 false move you will fall forward and go over the very low guard rail.

for this game I got lower mezzanine seats because I had to get 5 together and the only available seats with that odd # on stub hub was in the middle section. Anyway I thought these shouldnt be as steep or like the upper level. I was wrong they were just as steep and narrow in the leg area. The seats themselves are comfortable and wide enough but you can move your legs or allow others to come and go. My nephew is 7 and 45 lbs my niece is 6 and like 30 lbs. even they had to go into the aisle and stand on the steps to let others pass them thats how little room there is to walk by when you stand and put the seat up.



Atlantic Ave in Brooklyn Im not too familiar with exactly where it is I just know it is going to be a nightmare to get there. For me now I can drive 7 miles to the Newark Stadium or take 1 train 1 stop and be there in 15 mins. The new stadium I will have to drive to Brooklyn via Manhattan then to Brooklyn or staten island then to Brooklyn. If I take the train I will have to go NJ to Newark, Newark to NYC to Brooklyn (and I dont know how many trains it will take to go NYC to Brooklyn to this arena).

The move to Brooklyn is a real big fuck you to their nj fans. If anything they might lose a lot of that loyalty. Moving to Brooklyn will not make this team anymore financially successful imho. Its just better for tv or free agency to say they are in Brooklyn NY rather then Newark NJ. the Newark NJ stadium is closer to NYC and easier to get to by train and a shorter distance from Manhattan. No matter where they play the Nets will be competing with the Knicks and need the support of their local area and NYC. The local Brooklyn residents arent going to support the Nets anymore then the local NJ residents did and NJ residents have a higher economic advantage then the Brooklyn /Queens residents. So what it comes down to is the NYC corp seat purchases. Why would you purchase Nets seats when you have the Knicks right in the middle of the City? I understand they will be cheaper but tyou will still have to take you clients in tons of traffic to Brooklyn just like they had to take them to the Meadowlands and now Newark but both the Meadowlands and Newark are closer and easier to get to then the new Brooklyn arena.

Im just pissed because I usually go to more basketball games then all other sports combined. Now I wont have that luxury and really dont want to go all the way to Brooklyn that often. I did recently read that the NBA wants to have a team in Newark and that Mayor Booker has been in talks with the NBA about this. I dont know how the hell that could or would happen. There wasnt enough support for the nets and now they want to compete with 2 teams not just 1?

Snoogans have you heard anything about this as well? I cant seem to find the article I read.

they want another team in newark cause the support and ticket sales have actually been way better for the nets than they expected. its hard to sell people on going to a team that is leaving soon, and Newark has done a decent job of gettin people in that building. its possible, but it would have to be someone moving a team there that already exists.

Ass for your arena concerns, the arena in brooklyn isnt gonna be that crazy for you. Im pretty sure you can hop on a train at newark penn station that will drop you off under the arena. I know its very train accessable, where they are building it. I really dont think its gonna be that bad for you coming from Union area

[Snacks]

they want another team in newark cause the support and ticket sales have actually been way better for the nets than they expected. its hard to sell people on going to a team that is leaving soon, and Newark has done a decent job of gettin people in that building. its possible, but it would have to be someone moving a team there that already exists.

Ass for your arena concerns, the arena in brooklyn isnt gonna be that crazy for you. Im pretty sure you can hop on a train at newark penn station that will drop you off under the arena. I know its very train accessable, where they are building it. I really dont think its gonna be that bad for you coming from Union area

the 1st part is true and partially because the newark arena has been so much easier to get to because of the trains. the old stadium was very hard to get to because you HAD to drive from NYC or all parts of NJ during rush hour and through the most populated and highest ny/nj traffic area. BTW the team I heard was the hornets coming to newark. if thats true they better change their name.

as for going to brooklyn i disagree at least til i see proof. the reason being there isnt a train that goes right to brooklyn from nj penn station. i also dont want to have to drive to newark first so i might as well take the train in my own town. so i would be doing something like this. train to newark, newark to nyc, nyc to brooklyn and that would be the very least so far. thats 3 trains min and nyc penn station to brooklyn isnt a 10 min train ride. there will be stops and it will take an awful long time.

now if somehow nj/ny create a non stop train from nj to the arena that would be cool but i highly doubt they would do that with no other stops and even if they did i would bet it would be close to 45 min train ride because the rails system still would have to go past many areas and stops and it wouldnt be a direct private rail so it would still take a while.

any info or future train info would be great if you have seen any of it.

[Snoogans]

the 1st part is true and partially because the newark arena has been so much easier to get to because of the trains. the old stadium was very hard to get to because you HAD to drive from NYC or all parts of NJ during rush hour and through the most populated and highest ny/nj traffic area. BTW the team I heard was the hornets coming to newark. if thats true they better change their name.

as for going to brooklyn i disagree at least til i see proof. the reason being there isnt a train that goes right to brooklyn from nj penn station. i also dont want to have to drive to newark first so i might as well take the train in my own town. so i would be doing something like this. train to newark, newark to nyc, nyc to brooklyn and that would be the very least so far. thats 3 trains min and nyc penn station to brooklyn isnt a 10 min train ride. there will be stops and it will take an awful long time.

now if somehow nj/ny create a non stop train from nj to the arena that would be cool but i highly doubt they would do that with no other stops and even if they did i would bet it would be close to 45 min train ride because the rails system still would have to go past many areas and stops and it wouldnt be a direct private rail so it would still take a while.

any info or future train info would be great if you have seen any of it.

you seem to think it will take longer than it would. from mahwah to NY penn station, you have to take 2 trains and it still takes like 45 min. I bet you if you figured out the schedule, it would take you like an hour at MOST to get there

[Snoogans]

The Atlantic Yards project, at its western end, would be adjacent to the Atlantic Avenue – Pacific Street subway station, the largest train station in Brooklyn and the third largest transit hub in New York City, serving nine different New York City Subway trains. The project will feature a new $50 million subway entrance, slated to open near the front of the arena in 2012


you can take a train from you to NY penn station and then 1 other train straight to the arena. it would take you somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 min

[Snacks]

The Atlantic Yards project, at its western end, would be adjacent to the Atlantic Avenue – Pacific Street subway station, the largest train station in Brooklyn and the third largest transit hub in New York City, serving nine different New York City Subway trains. The project will feature a new $50 million subway entrance, slated to open near the front of the arena in 2012


you can take a train from you to NY penn station and then 1 other train straight to the arena. it would take you somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 min

so my total trip will be about an hour each way. that sucks when it takes me 15 mins or less now.

i dont want to change fav teams but i might have to become a newark hornets fans lol :tongue:

[Snoogans]

so my total trip will be about an hour each way. that sucks when it takes me 15 mins or less now.

i dont want to change fav teams but i might have to become a newark hornets fans lol :tongue:

i dont wanna hear SHIT. you try gettin to MSG for a 7pm tip off on a weeknight without going into the city at like 3.

[Snacks]

i dont wanna hear SHIT. you try gettin to MSG for a 7pm tip off on a weeknight without going into the city at like 3.

id rather do that then go even further now and go to brooklyn! lol

i hope you dont drive in to see the knicks? take the train it will be easier and lets you right off at the garden.

[cougarjake13]

Wow so 3 Nba teams in NYC area ?

[Snoogans]

id rather do that then go even further now and go to brooklyn! lol

i hope you dont drive in to see the knicks? take the train it will be easier and lets you right off at the garden.

see thats the thing though. the train to NY from bergen county is spotty in the afternoon. i might have to leave at 330 and then kill 3 hours in the city or be 20 min late depending on the schedule and the day

[hanso]

I remember seeing one clip where they were arguing and one of his responses was
No ones gonna know who you are in 5 yrs

Yep, he was trying to get her to move back to his home state (Min.?) to start a family.

[Fallon]

0-3

Celts are lost without Pierce!!

[Kevin]

0-3

Celts are lost without Pierce!!

And old as shit.

[Snacks]

see thats the thing though. the train to NY from bergen county is spotty in the afternoon. i might have to leave at 330 and then kill 3 hours in the city or be 20 min late depending on the schedule and the day

well then thats your fault for living out there. I have trains coming every 10 or 20 mins around me. i have 2 lines to choose from too which is great or i can drive right to newark penn station but i dont like doing that.

[Snacks]

And old as shit.

this season a young team will win with fresh legs. knicks, heat, ok city, chicago should have a great chance to take the title.

[epo]

Dont worry about the Golden State Warriors. They won't be happy in the morning.

[hanso]

Dont worry about the Golden State Warriors. They won't be happy in the morning.

They come out to play.

[hanso]

The Heat should get him. If only for going over the top in using the term "Redd hot heat".

The Suns got him, same thing can be done. "The Suns are Redd hot."

[cougarjake13]

2days til fantasy starts up


U ready hanso?

[hanso]

2days til fantasy starts up


U ready hanso?

Yeah man, wanted to go off the bat. How about you?