2011-12 NBA Season

[KnoxHarrington]

Tough shit. No rings means not the best ever. Am I wrong? Show me one person in any sport thats considered the best ever without a ring?

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/photo/gallery/williams/ph_williams_index.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/photo/gallery/williams/ph_williams_index.jpg

Thats a good one, but still has lost many an argument to players like Dimaggio and Willie Mays.

[Snacks]

Thats a good one, but still has lost many an argument to players like Dimaggio and Willie Mays.

They are all good ones you just need a championship to validate them many people dont. Good thing is we all have our own opinions and can like who we like as well as argue who is the best all we want! When its all said and done numbers make you a hall of famer not rings. You can win all the rings you want (Robert Horry) but that wont get you in, its your personal achievements. Only 1 player IMO got in for championships and only for championships not because they were good enough and that is Phil Rizzuto!

[Snoogans]

the only guy i will not validate because he has no ring is Marino. Cause it was mostly his fault. I bet he played with 3 or 4 HOF RBs if he ever turned around to hand off once in awhile and find out

[Crispy123]

This discussion is about to become irrelevant. Soon Lebron will have his ring.

[underdog]

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While considered greats, I dont think anyone considers them the greatest of all time. Marino at one point may have been argued, but when compared to Montana I dont see how it could even be an argument.

Agreed. No one really thinks either of them are the best all time.

Thats a good one, but still has lost many an argument to players like Dimaggio and Willie Mays.

Williams actually hit better than Dimaggio did over Joe's hitting streak.

[A.J.]

Thats a good one, but still has lost many an argument to players like Dimaggio and Willie Mays.

Hitter, not all around player.

[razorboy]

Nice to see my old pal Lebron the choking clown make an appearance in the fourth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great to see Nowitzki end the game like that. Fuck off LeBron!!!

[cougarjake13]

Great to see Nowitzki end the game like that. Fuck off LeBron!!!

i want the mavs to win so bad but it prob wont happen

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i want the mavs to win so bad but it prob wont happen

They are making it a series now as they were able to win 1 in Miami. Would like to see Dallas take 2 of 3 at home. It would be so great to see Dallas pull this off and just humiliate the heat

[TripleSkeet]

Michael Jordan wouldve never let that happen to his team in the Finals.

[TheGameHHH]

They are making it a series now as they were able to win 1 in Miami. Would like to see Dallas take 2 of 3 at home. It would be so great to see Dallas pull this off and just humiliate the heat

I dont see it as humiliating to the Heat. If they stay healthy in the next four years they have at least 2 titles in them. Losing their first together isn't humiliating. But I would LOVE to see Dallas pull this off.

[Snoogans]

I dont see it as humiliating to the Heat. If they stay healthy in the next four years they have at least 2 titles in them. Losing their first together isn't humiliating. But I would LOVE to see Dallas pull this off.

after the knicks trade amare for Dwight Howard the heat wont have any

[TheGameHHH]

after the knicks trade for Dwight Howard the heat wont have any

by knicks you mean the lakers, right?

[Snoogans]

by knicks you mean the lakers, right?

lakers already blew it. Jim Buss publicly said that the only player on the lakers who is untouchable is andrew bynum. He will not even entertain discussions on a trade involving bynum


he is such a dumb bastard, i love it

[Snacks]

Chris Mullin is 1 of my favorite players of the 90s and I love when him, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond were known as Run TMC but ESPN needs to fire him now. He is terrible in front of the camera. He is knowledgeable but he cant get his words out and sounds ghetto and looks very uncomfortable! I watched his 1 on 1 with some ESPN commentator and they were discussing Shaq's retirement. The conversation took 5-7 min but what he said could have been said in 1 min. He just kept repeating himself and stumbling over his words. He really is bad!

[KnoxHarrington]

lakers already blew it. Jim Buss publicly said that the only player on the lakers who is untouchable is andrew bynum. He will not even entertain discussions on a trade involving bynum


he is such a dumb bastard, i love it

No way in hell Kobe Bryant is staying in LA forever after the whole mess around the hiring of Mike Brown.

[cougarjake13]

Chris Mullin is 1 of my favorite players of the 90s and I love when him, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond were known as Run TMC but ESPN needs to fire him now. He is terrible in front of the camera. He is knowledgeable but he cant get his words out and sounds ghetto and looks very uncomfortable! I watched his 1 on 1 with some ESPN commentator and they were discussing Shaq's retirement. The conversation took 5-7 min but what he said could have been said in 1 min. He just kept repeating himself and stumbling over his words. He really is bad!



x2


it was excruiating to watch and hes been on tv for a while now

he should get better not worse


plus i guarantee most kids watching today have no clue who the fuck he is or that he played in the nba

[cougarjake13]

No way in hell Kobe Bryant is staying in LA forever after the whole mess around the hiring of Mike Brown.

how long was the deal he recently signed ??


while not forever it may take him close to the end of his career


and i dont see the lakers ever trading him

[Snoogans]

how long was the deal he recently signed ??


while not forever it may take him close to the end of his career


and i dont see the lakers ever trading him

they should trade him while they can still get some team to give up something good for him

[cougarjake13]

they should trade him while they can still get some team to give up something good for him

true but they prob wont get equal value


and the last guy i see being traded is kobe

unless your getting a d rose in return but why would chicago do that

[hanso]

This discussion is about to become irrelevant. Soon Lebron will have his ring.

Maybe after that it could be. But it has never been on track.

[underdog]

Chris Mullin is 1 of my favorite players of the 90s and I love when him, Tim Hardaway and Mitch Richmond were known as Run TMC but ESPN needs to fire him now. He is terrible in front of the camera. He is knowledgeable but he cant get his words out and sounds ghetto and looks very uncomfortable! I watched his 1 on 1 with some ESPN commentator and they were discussing Shaq's retirement. The conversation took 5-7 min but what he said could have been said in 1 min. He just kept repeating himself and stumbling over his words. He really is bad!

His first day on Sportscenter, the anchors actually laughed out loud at how badly it went.

[A.J.]

His first day on Sportscenter, the anchors actually laughed out loud at how badly it went.

I did the same thing when Magic Johnson called his first game on NBC years ago. Unintentional comedy at its finest.

[Snoogans]

Dallas CAN NOT lose this game tonight. they are gonna drop one at home, but this cant be the one. they have to take the lead tonight

[Crispy_Mobile]

they will lose 2 in dallas. Tonight being 1.

[TheGameHHH]

the mavs will lose tonight, win game 4 and lose game 5. it will close in miami at game 6

[hanso]

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[TripleSkeet]

LMAO. I love this clip. This is so me...
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[cougarjake13]

thats my fav part of trailer that doesnt include a half naked cameron diaz




only diff is even if lebron wins 6 to tie jordan they'll say well he couldnt do it without wade

even though jordan couldnt have done it without pippen

[Earlshog]

thats my fav part of trailer that doesnt include a half naked cameron diaz




only diff is even if lebron wins 6 to tie jordan they'll say well he couldnt do it without wade

even though jordan couldnt have done it without pippen

D-Wade will always have one more.

If Pippen would have got one with the Jordanless Bulls or in Portland, it would have enhanced his legacy.

[cougarjake13]

D-Wade will always have one more.

If Pippen would have got one with the Jordanless Bulls or in Portland, it would have enhanced his legacy.

oh yeh

def indeed



but im talkin more about all the mj vs lbj talk and its almost as if they forget or dont care to mention that it wasnt jordan by himself

[TheGameHHH]

oh yeh

def indeed



but im talkin more about all the mj vs lbj talk and its almost as if they forget or dont care to mention that it wasnt jordan by himself

i agree with you, but im gonna say it cause i dont care who agrees with me. i think wade is a better player than pippen

[Snacks]

i agree with you, but im gonna say it cause i dont care who agrees with me. i think wade is a better player than pippen

I dont know, Im one who thinks Pippen is underrated and I also think Wade has been overrated! But like you said these are only opinions and we all got them!

[TheGameHHH]

I dont know, Im one who thinks Pippen is underrated and I also think Wade has been overrated! But like you said these are only opinions and we all got them!

I also agree that Pippen was slightly underrated, at least during his time. But i strongly disagree that Wade is overrated.

[Snacks]

I also agree that Pippen was slightly underrated, at least during his time. But i strongly disagree that Wade is overrated.

Wade reminds me of one of those players who is talked about being a great only because of 1 post season/title run. IMO he has never done anything before or after that has made him seem to me to be 1 of the NBAs best players. But because he had such a great post season the year he won the title he gets more respect then he deserves once again imo!

I hate when players have 1 fantastic season or win a title because of a great post season and people then talk about them like the greats especially the greats who have never won a title but have 10 years of greatness not just 1 or 2 years or 1 great post season etc.

[Crispy123]

Yeah Wade has only had 1 title run. What year is this 2007?


Haterz b hatin.

Go Heat!

[Snacks]

Yeah Wade has only had 1 title run. What year is this 2007?


Haterz b hatin.

Go Heat!

lets take this year out of it. What other title run did he have? Since he won the title in 2005/06 he has only won 4 total playoff games in 4 years since they won the title not including this year. So yes he had 1 title run and thats it!

[Crispy123]

lets take this year out of it.

lets not.

[Snacks]

lets not.

ok lets not. We are talking about him as a player and being talked about as being so great. Before LeBron and Bosh got here he did nothing except 1 post season, thats it. So even this post season isnt just about him and hes not the best player on the his team or the 2nd best player on the court. I would take LeBron and Dirk before Wade!

[hanso]

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Game 1

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Game 2
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[TheGameHHH]

Wade reminds me of one of those players who is talked about being a great only because of 1 post season/title run. IMO he has never done anything before or after that has made him seem to me to be 1 of the NBAs best players. But because he had such a great post season the year he won the title he gets more respect then he deserves once again imo!

I hate when players have 1 fantastic season or win a title because of a great post season and people then talk about them like the greats especially the greats who have never won a title but have 10 years of greatness not just 1 or 2 years or 1 great post season etc.

I know this isnt what makes a player great, but every Heat game I watch (regular season absolutely included) D Wade does one thing a night that makes me go, 'How the fuck did he just do that?!?!'

[Crispy123]

I know this isnt what makes a player great, but every Heat game I watch (regular season absolutely included) D Wade does one thing a night that makes me go, 'How the fuck did he just do that?!?!'

You can't explain that to haterz. Next year it will be, I know he has two rings but he is soooo overated.

[Snacks]

I know this isnt what makes a player great, but every Heat game I watch (regular season absolutely included) D Wade does one thing a night that makes me go, 'How the fuck did he just do that?!?!'

The only time he has ever impressed me has been in 2005/06 finals and in these current finals. I have always thought he got the press and status of one of the leagues best for no other reason then the finals against Dallas the 1st time around! Its one of the many reasons teams win titles and not players because I think there are so many better players then him to never have won a title. Im just not a huge fan of his!

[Snoogans]

i agree with you, but im gonna say it cause i dont care who agrees with me. i think wade is a better player than pippen

i think everyone should agree with that. And more specifically, the LBJ vs Jordan shit. pfft. Bron is a hell of alot more the type of player Pippen was, and Wade is alot more like the MJ

[hanso]

I know this isnt what makes a player great, but every Heat game I watch (regular season absolutely included) D Wade does one thing a night that makes me go, 'How the fuck did he just do that?!?!'

On o and d (best shot blocking guard bar none)

That last game he goes behind his back then splits two 7 footers with a lay up. Are you kidding me?!

[King Hippos Bandaid]

great series....

Lebron is the Man, but D Wade is a Scorer (clutch also) and a Leader and will be the MVP

Lebron has to realize that being the best is okay, but legends, score (especially when game is on the line), play defense and lead...

D Wade is an Alpha Male and proves it by leading the team.... Lebron isn't Pippen, but he is in a 50 50 control with Wade for the team.... no-one is the Pippen

Also

too many "Nice Guys" in this league now

Durant needs to grow a pair then the Thunder will be in finals.. Durant needs to bitch slap Westbrook and tell him he is point guard and a distributor and I am the man..

Rose needs to grow a pair and call out his Cleveland Cavs I mean Chicago Bull team mates in order to be a leader and get the most out of his team in the playoffs


nice guys don't win rings.. leaders do

[Snoogans]

great series....

Lebron is the Man, but D Wade is a Scorer (clutch also) and a Leader and will be the MVP

Lebron has to realize that being the best is okay, but legends, score (especially when game is on the line), play defense and lead...

D Wade is an Alpha Male and proves it by leading the team.... Lebron isn't Pippen, but he is in a 50 50 control with Wade for the team.... no-one is the Pippen

Also

too many "Nice Guys" in this league now

Durant needs to grow a pair then the Thunder will be in finals.. Durant needs to bitch slap Westbrook and tell him he is point guard and a distributor and I am the man..

Rose needs to grow a pair and call out his Cleveland Cavs I mean Chicago Bull team mates in order to be a leader and get the most out of his team in the playoffs


nice guys don't win rings.. leaders do

i didnt call LeBron the pippen. Well, i guess i did, but i didnt mean it how most do. I mean LeBron plays a hell of alot like Pippen. Suffocating perimeter D, has a tendancy to run a bit of point forward (moreso in cleveland) and has great athletism but seems reluctant to really take over. Seems like he is made more to have someone else in concert with him to do the damage that he sets up

[TripleSkeet]

i didnt call LeBron the pippen. Well, i guess i did, but i didnt mean it how most do. I mean LeBron plays a hell of alot like Pippen. Suffocating perimeter D, has a tendancy to run a bit of point forward (moreso in cleveland) and has great athletism but seems reluctant to really take over. Seems like he is made more to have someone else in concert with him to do the damage that he sets up

As long as you dont start trying to say hes better then Jordan was.

[Snoogans]

As long as you dont start trying to say hes better then Jordan was.

i was talkin about LeBron as compared to pippen. Im pretty sure ive already gone on enough records about how NO ONE is michael jordan

[TheGameHHH]

i was talkin about LeBron as compared to pippen. Im pretty sure ive already gone on enough records about how NO ONE is michael jordan

except for me, I am better than Michael Jordan

[TripleSkeet]

Im better then Michael Jordan.......in poker.

[disneyspy]

i'm better than micheal jordan at spitting cherry pits

[Snoogans]

Uh oh, SAS was startin trouble today on Mike and Mike. Apparently he said he had heard from a few sources something about lebron that was so personal and not about basketball that even if he knew it was true he wouldnt report it.

The internet doesnt have the same censor:

Stephen may have ignited interest in the rumor, but Twackle tracks the source of the rumor back to a Houston, Texas-area hip hop radio station:

"I have a very reliable source who clubs and drinks with all of the athletes that come through Orlando. He was all over the Tiger Woods issue and knew what all happened with Tiger prior to it being released publicly. My buddy has a place in Orlando, Lake Nona to be exact, and he lives among some athletes that live there in Orlando. Needless to say he golfs, drinks, and parties with some of the best people in central Florida. So when word got to him while at the bar last night, he called me. Word got out while drinking with friends, that Rashard Lewis slept with Lebron's girl while visiting South Beach."

This all seems like a shady, unfounded rumor stemming from LeBron's poor play in Game 4.

[Earlshog]

Uh oh, SAS was startin trouble today on Mike and Mike. Apparently he said he had heard from a few sources something about lebron that was so personal and not about basketball that even if he knew it was true he wouldnt report it.

The internet doesnt have the same censor:

A guy at the gym told me LeBron left Cleveland becasue Delonte West got his mom pregnant.

Its the bitches that ill get cha!! ha-ha

[cougarjake13]

A guy at the gym told me LeBron left Cleveland becasue Delonte West got his mom pregnant.

Its the bitches that ill get cha!! ha-ha




i heard the rumors of west fucking his mom ... didnt know he got her preggers


did she keep it ?

[TripleSkeet]

A guy at the gym told me LeBron left Cleveland becasue Delonte West got his mom pregnant.

Its the bitches that ill get cha!! ha-ha

Being he played at St. Joes that rumor was going around this area for a LOOOOONG time. Never heard the prego part though.

[Snacks]

just like 5 years ago, wade is getting all the questionable calls. i cant stand it, he just traveled and they didnt call him for it. he keeps moving his pivot foot and they dont call it. but if someone comes near him they call a foul. sickening!

Barera is going off in this game.

[underdog]

Wasn't Jason Kidd like one of the best PGs ever? Why is he playing the two?

[Snoogans]

Wasn't Jason Kidd like one of the best PGs ever? Why is he playing the two?

too slow to guard a PG now

[Snoogans]

jesus jason terry, what fuckin stones

[newport king]

Wasn't Jason Kidd like one of the best PGs ever? Why is he playing the two?

because he's 58 years old.

[newport king]

rarely watch basketball anymore but when did Kidd stop doing that kiss thing before the FT?

[Snoogans]

when he divorced who he blew the kiss to

[newport king]

1 more to go.

[underdog]

too slow to guard a PG now

because he's 58 years old.

What good is he if he's not passing?

[newport king]

when he divorced who he blew the kiss to

Damn, she's single?...Nevermind, that thing has gotta be torn up from that kids head.

[Snoogans]

What good is he if he's not passing?

ironically, he can shoot now. he hit like fuckin 40% from 3s this year

[underdog]

ironically, he can shoot now. he hit like fuckin 40% from 3s this year

Damn.

Imagine if he had put those things together?

[Snoogans]

Damn.

Imagine if he had put those things together?

just like golf though. you never hit great and putt well at the same time

[TheGameHHH]

1 more to go.

sadly, the heat are still winning this thing

[Snacks]

What good is he if he's not passing?

Hes still passing I think he was 3rd in the league this year with like 8 asst a game. He is still very serviceable, actually if he is a free agent after this season Miami needs a player exactly like him even at this age. A great passing point guard who can shoot 3s.

I hope Dallas wins this series but this series reminds me way too much like the Hou vs Knicks series when the Knicks only had to win 1 out of the final 2 in Hou and should have but didnt. I hope it doesnt turn out like that series did but everything about this series is just like that one.

[Earlshog]

I saw LeBron before the game and asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I asked him about the rest, he said "Sorry, I don't have a 4th quarter."

That old gag!

[sailor]

I saw LeBron before the game and asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I asked him about the rest, he said "Sorry, I don't have a 4th quarter."

That old gag!

Really amazing he's averaging 2.2 points in the fourth this series.

[Earlshog]

jesus jason terry, what fuckin stones

churchbells!

[Earlshog]

when he divorced who he blew the kiss to

now he should incorporate the bitch-slap motion to his pre shot regimen for Joumana

[TripleSkeet]

I saw LeBron before the game and asked him for a dollar. He gave me 75 cents. I asked him about the rest, he said "Sorry, I don't have a 4th quarter."

That old gag!

Did you tweet that to Brian Dawkins last night?

[Snacks]

As you can tell from my other posts I dont like Wade, never did. I have always thought he has made a career off of 1 post season in 2006 which he also got all the calls that helped make him look better then he was with all those free points from free throws.

Anyway he seems to love to play this smooth guy role. Whenever he gets banged up he makes faces like a bitch and then does everything to show hes hurt. Yet when asked about his injuries he tries to play smooth and says shit like " I dont talk about injuries, once on the court your on the court" I think he does that to try to act like a man and that he doesnt need attention even though he actually wants the attention. Anyway he seems to be tired and even pissed off about all this talk about how good Dirk is doing while playing through the injured finger and now the flu/102 degree fever. He has taken ever chance to NOT give Dirk any credit for this. Yet there is now a video of him and LeBron making fun of coughing as if they are saying to the cameras, "Did you see me cough" and they are doing that to make the point that maybe now they will get the props from playing through a cold/pain etc. The funny thing is you dont do that after losing and now they look even worse because they are down 3 games to 2 to a guy who goes left and uses his left hand more then any non lefty in the league and a guy who has the flu for 2 games!

Seems to me they are both (especially Wade) pissed that someone else is getting more praise and attention.

[TheGameHHH]

As you can tell from my other posts I dont like Wade, never did. I have always thought he has made a career off of 1 post season in 2006 which he also got all the calls that helped make him look better then he was with all those free points from free throws.

Anyway he seems to love to play this smooth guy role. Whenever he gets banged up he makes faces like a bitch and then does everything to show hes hurt. Yet when asked about his injuries he tries to play smooth and says shit like " I dont talk about injuries, once on the court your on the court" I think he does that to try to act like a man and that he doesnt need attention even though he actually wants the attention. Anyway he seems to be tired and even pissed off about all this talk about how good Dirk is doing while playing through the injured finger and now the flu/102 degree fever. He has taken ever chance to NOT give Dirk any credit for this. Yet there is now a video of him and LeBron making fun of coughing as if they are saying to the cameras, "Did you see me cough" and they are doing that to make the point that maybe now they will get the props from playing through a cold/pain etc. The funny thing is you dont do that after losing and now they look even worse because they are down 3 games to 2 to a guy who goes left and uses his left hand more then any non lefty in the league and a guy who has the flu for 2 games!

Seems to me they are both (especially Wade) pissed that someone else is getting more praise and attention.

On PTI today Kornheiser compared Wade and LeBron to Jeter and A-Rod, saying Wade is like Jeter and LeBron like A-Rod. Nothing sticks to Wade and this video won't either, if anything people will somehow find a way to blame LeBron for this. They are already calling him a choke artist for not showing up in 4th quarters (much like A-Rod got flack for not showing up in the playoffs). I thought it was a pretty accurate social comparison.

Also, how you don't like Wade I'll never figure out. I can't try to convince you on it, but he's unreal.

[Snacks]

On PTI today Kornheiser compared Wade and LeBron to Jeter and A-Rod, saying Wade is like Jeter and LeBron like A-Rod. Nothing sticks to Wade and this video won't either, if anything people will somehow find a way to blame LeBron for this. They are already calling him a choke artist for not showing up in 4th quarters (much like A-Rod got flack for not showing up in the playoffs). I thought it was a pretty accurate social comparison.

Also, how you don't like Wade I'll never figure out. I can't try to convince you on it, but he's unreal.

Like I wrote above, I think Wade gets way too much praise for a career that IMO is 1 playoff run (2006). I dont think he has done much more in his career and I think for what he has done he doesnt deserve the amount of hype or respect he gets. I will say he is having another great title series but I still think he overrated IMO!

And like Jeter / Arod comparison I never really liked Jeter either. Maybe its my hate of unfairness. I always though Arod was unfairly treated by the NY media and mostly their fans! he is and has always been a better player then Jeter and always will. If Jeter did what Arod did 2 years ago to win the WS it would be talked about like another God like series. But ARod doesnt get the same credit just like Jeter who has done nothing in the prior 2 playoffs didnt get the blame that Arod did in 2008 and 2007. They both did shit but all the blame was against Arod. Jeter on any other team for any other org he wouldnt be a hall of famer, he wouldnt be considered great and he would be out the league already. Jeter has never been the best player on his own team, sorry thats a fact. ARod has been the best player on Sea, Tex and even the Yanks. Jeter is very lucky to be a yankee at the time he was because of the talent he has had around him his entire career and the fact that the media and the yankee fan base needed that this generations "true yankee hero". Mariano should be that player imo but he couldnt be for many reasons that really have nothing to do with baseball!

[Crispy123]

Does Dirk ever close his fucking mouth? What a mouth breathing, fly catching, non D playing sack of crap.

[razorboy]

Does Dirk ever close his fucking mouth?

True. Maybe he wouldn't be breathing so heavily if he would just float through the fourth like Lebron.

[cougarjake13]

Like I wrote above, I think Wade gets way too much praise for a career that IMO is 1 playoff run (2006). I dont think he has done much more in his career and I think for what he has done he doesnt deserve the amount of hype or respect he gets. I will say he is having another great title series but I still think he overrated IMO!

And like Jeter / Arod comparison I never really liked Jeter either. Maybe its my hate of unfairness. I always though Arod was unfairly treated by the NY media and mostly their fans! he is and has always been a better player then Jeter and always will. If Jeter did what Arod did 2 years ago to win the WS it would be talked about like another God like series. But ARod doesnt get the same credit just like Jeter who has done nothing in the prior 2 playoffs didnt get the blame that Arod did in 2008 and 2007. They both did shit but all the blame was against Arod. Jeter on any other team for any other org he wouldnt be a hall of famer, he wouldnt be considered great and he would be out the league already. Jeter has never been the best player on his own team, sorry thats a fact. ARod has been the best player on Sea, Tex and even the Yanks. Jeter is very lucky to be a yankee at the time he was because of the talent he has had around him his entire career and the fact that the media and the yankee fan base needed that this generations "true yankee hero". Mariano should be that player imo but he couldnt be for many reasons that really have nothing to do with baseball!




and in the prime of his career he moved positions, to the hot corner no less

[Snacks]

Does Dirk ever close his fucking mouth? What a mouth breathing, fly catching, non D playing sack of crap.

he cant breathe through his nose he has the flu! At least he still showed up and played to win, unlike LeBitch and D'weasel!

[Snacks]

and in the prime of his career he moved positions, to the hot corner no less

Another reason I think he deserves respect. The "Captain" wasnt better then Arod at SS and probably should have moved for the better of the team but others dont seem to see that as selfish for some reason. Oh thats right because Jeter did it so its ok! Even Cal Ripken moved when it was better for the team. Yet Cal still gets shit for playing for his streak and many yankee fans call Cal selfish for playing everyday!

[cougarjake13]

Another reason I think he deserves respect. The "Captain" wasnt better then Arod at SS and probably should have moved for the better of the team but others dont seem to see that as selfish for some reason. Oh thats right because Jeter did it so its ok! Even Cal Ripken moved when it was better for the team. Yet Cal still gets shit for playing for his streak and many yankee fans call Cal selfish for playing everyday!

i really think its bc baltimore was better for the early part of cals career until they finally won another title in 96

and obviously bc he was breaking a yankee record


but there was no way for A-ROD to win bc they woulda killed him if when he came here they moved jeter, no matter how well they played or championships won

[Snacks]

i really think its bc baltimore was better for the early part of cals career until they finally won another title in 96

and obviously bc he was breaking a yankee record


but there was no way for A-ROD to win bc they woulda killed him if when he came here they moved jeter, no matter how well they played or championships won

I agree. I still think ARod made 2 mistakes, 1 he should have gone to Boston rather then NYY. He would have been a God there. I know it wasnt completely his fault, Boston backed out of trade talks and the yanks got him. The 2nd mistake was taking #13. He should have taken 33 or 30 or whatever other 3 # was available or even something different. I currently have his jersey and cant wear it because I hate that # as do many people! Weird, I know!!!

[cougarjake13]

I agree. I still think ARod made 2 mistakes, 1 he should have gone to Boston rather then NYY. He would have been a God there. I know it wasnt completely his fault, Boston backed out of trade talks and the yanks got him. The 2nd mistake was taking #13. He should have taken 33 or 30 or whatever other 3 # was available or even something different. I currently have his jersey and cant wear it because I hate that # as do many people! Weird, I know!!!

they didnt back out

trade was made

mlb didnt approve bc of the way they tried to re- do the contract

after that they couldnt agree on a new deal and he went to yanks

[Snacks]

they didnt back out

trade was made

mlb didnt approve bc of the way they tried to re- do the contract

after that they couldnt agree on a new deal and he went to yanks

you are right I remember that now. I still dont know why they couldnt restructure the deal. yet they allowed the rangers to pick up $10 million or so a year until it was done or until Arod opted out and boy did I love it when he opted out!

[TheGameHHH]

And like Jeter / Arod comparison I never really liked Jeter either. Maybe its my hate of unfairness. I always though Arod was unfairly treated by the NY media and mostly their fans! he is and has always been a better player then Jeter and always will. If Jeter did what Arod did 2 years ago to win the WS it would be talked about like another God like series. But ARod doesnt get the same credit just like Jeter who has done nothing in the prior 2 playoffs didnt get the blame that Arod did in 2008 and 2007. They both did shit but all the blame was against Arod. Jeter on any other team for any other org he wouldnt be a hall of famer, he wouldnt be considered great and he would be out the league already. Jeter has never been the best player on his own team, sorry thats a fact. ARod has been the best player on Sea, Tex and even the Yanks. Jeter is very lucky to be a yankee at the time he was because of the talent he has had around him his entire career and the fact that the media and the yankee fan base needed that this generations "true yankee hero". Mariano should be that player imo but he couldnt be for many reasons that really have nothing to do with baseball!

everything you're saying here is why the jeter/a-rod comparison makes sense for wade and lebron. you're almost arguing against your own point

[TripleSkeet]

Im not one to believe in karma, but man, considering how Game 5 went down, this is pretty hilarious...

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/10/lebron-d-wade-mock-dirks-sickness-before-game-5/

[Crispy123]

he cant breathe through his nose he has the flu! At least he still showed up and played to win, unlike LeBitch and D'weasel!

You want to swing on his nuts, we GET IT.

[sailor]

they didnt back out

trade was made

mlb didnt approve bc of the way they tried to re- do the contract

after that they couldnt agree on a new deal and he went to yanks

mlbpa had the issue

[JimBeam]

Im not one to believe in karma, but man, considering how Game 5 went down, this is pretty hilarious...

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/06/10/lebron-d-wade-mock-dirks-sickness-before-game-5/

What's so funny about them mocking Dirk is that it was Wade's vagina that caused him to miss time in the game.

I hate basketball but I sure do hope that Dallas can end this tomorrow so I don't have to hear Chris Broussard and Stephen A Smith anymore.

I will have to listen Colin Cowherd and how he'll explain away James' ineptitude though.

[sailor]

I'm rooting for the mavs but don't know how comfortable I am with a German being viewed as the good guy, even with his southern drawl.

[Snoogans]

Yet there is now a video of him and LeBron making fun of coughing as if they are saying to the cameras, "Did you see me cough" and they are doing that to make the point that maybe now they will get the props from playing through a cold/pain etc.

its not as if they are lookin into the cameras to say that. Wade literally said "uh oh. Did you hear me cough...." then bron coughed and said something like "Yea, its tough with the weather, goin from 85 degrees to 90 degrees can get you quick"

[Snoogans]

Another reason I think he deserves respect. The "Captain" wasnt better then Arod at SS and probably should have moved for the better of the team but others dont seem to see that as selfish for some reason. Oh thats right because Jeter did it so its ok! Even Cal Ripken moved when it was better for the team. Yet Cal still gets shit for playing for his streak and many yankee fans call Cal selfish for playing everyday!

everyone also forgets, before he even was a yankee, ARod tried to give back HALF his fuckin money to go to boston cause they didnt wanna pay it all. we kill the guy, but how many people, for any reason, would offer to give back half of their money?

[Snoogans]

I agree. I still think ARod made 2 mistakes, 1 he should have gone to Boston rather then NYY. He would have been a God there. I know it wasnt completely his fault, Boston backed out of trade talks and the yanks got him. The 2nd mistake was taking #13. He should have taken 33 or 30 or whatever other 3 # was available or even something different. I currently have his jersey and cant wear it because I hate that # as do many people! Weird, I know!!!

he couldnt go to boston. Your statement here is COMPLETELY false. Arod tried to give back half the money to make the deal to boston work. The PLAYERS ASSOCIATION told him he was not allowed to do that because they didnt want that precedent being set. So they blocked him. Then the yankees came in and told texas they would eat much more of the deal than boston had offered to. Boston didnt back out

[Snoogans]

you are right I remember that now. I still dont know why they couldnt restructure the deal. yet they allowed the rangers to pick up $10 million or so a year until it was done or until Arod opted out and boy did I love it when he opted out!

see my last post. The PA is who said no. not the MLB.

Basically, if they had said yes, every unhappy star woulda given back half his money to leave his shit team. then the salaries would go down and then teams would make the next offers based on well, arod only makes 14 mill a year, why do you deserve 20. It woulda killed the FA market. So the PA shot that shit out of the sky early

[Snoogans]

You want to swing on his nuts, we GET IT.

wait, you havent been swinging on any heat nuts? Funny i never heard you mention the heat one time before they got bron.

[TripleSkeet]

its not as if they are lookin into the cameras to say that. Wade literally said "uh oh. Did you hear me cough....IM SICK" then bron coughed and said something like "Yea, its tough with the weather, goin from 85 degrees to 90 degrees can get you quick"

Thats what he actually said.

Dude, that was as obvious a mocking of Dirk as you can get. Youre really not trying to say the media took that out of context, are you???

[Snoogans]

Thats what he actually said.

Dude, that was as obvious a mocking of Dirk as you can get. Youre really not trying to say the media took that out of context, are you???

what the hell are you talkin about? I was responding to snacks sayin they were basically sayin that to the camera by sayin no, they were in fact saying it to the camera. He seemed to think they were tryin to make you think that by acting, as if he didnt hear them say anything. I was sayin no, what you think they were tryin to say they actually physically said

[hanso]

Heater Haters!!!

[Crispy123]

wait, you havent been swinging on any heat nuts? Funny i never heard you mention the heat one time before they got bron.

Hell yea. I even said it in this thread.

I was born & raised in South Fla, always a Dolphins fan. Loved the Heat & Marlins growing up but I left for the military and my family moved to Central Fla in '04 & switched to Magic and Rays. My brothers even went so far as to switch to the Bucs and the Jags.

When I got out in '06 I moved to Central Fla too, saw some Magic and Rays games rooted for them (even during the 06 season). But now Im back to the Heat.

And I haven;t been that impressed with leBron. Ive been saying all along D Wade is the beast!

[TripleSkeet]

what the hell are you talkin about? I was responding to snacks sayin they were basically sayin that to the camera by sayin no, they were in fact saying it to the camera. He seemed to think they were tryin to make you think that by acting, as if he didnt hear them say anything. I was sayin no, what you think they were tryin to say they actually physically said

Oh ok, I guess I read it wrong. My bad.

[cougarjake13]

Hell yea. I even said it in this thread.

I was born & raised in South Fla, always a Dolphins fan. Loved the Heat & Marlins growing up but I left for the military and my family moved to Central Fla in '04 & switched to Magic and Rays. My brothers even went so far as to switch to the Bucs and the Jags.

When I got out in '06 I moved to Central Fla too, saw some Magic and Rays games rooted for them (even during the 06 season). But now Im back to the Heat.

And I haven;t been that impressed with leBron. Ive been saying all along D Wade is the beast!


damn


i hope your allegiance to country is stronger then to sports teams

[Snacks]

damn


i hope your allegiance to country is stronger then to sports teams

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Talk about changing teams often!

The only league I dont have a fav team in is MLB. Im more a fan of players and dont care about teams. So year to year I root for teams based on the players I like and what teams did well in the off season etc.

[Snacks]

I love this article. It shits on LeBitch but finally D'weasel gets called out too. I hate this mother fucker more then LeBron! He is so pissed that Dirk is getting all the hype about his performances he cant stand it. He is making fun of Dirk because he feels that they are making a hero out of Dirk for playing like he while be broken and sick with the flu. Yet that is the 1 thing I have hated about him was that he always acts hurt and then seems to be fine just so the media can talk about his heroics. He has made a career doing this and then tries to act smooth whenever he is asked about it. I have always thought it was a game to him and that he is never hurt just does it for attention. This article calls him out for that too.

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nba/story/15223821/lebron-dwade-look-foolish-after-notsoclever-act

my fav part of the article

"I'm not feeding into that," he said. "If you guys want to feed into everything [we] do ... I think that's a non-issue. There's bigger issues in this series than that."

Sure there are. LeBron's shrinkage is one. Wade's latest injury and heroic comeback in Game 5 (has anyone ever been hurt more and recovered faster than this immortal?) is another. The Heat flopping like flounders, begging for bogus foul calls, is another.

[keithy_19]

While I was in Boston I caught the last game of this series. I can't stand the Heat, and I really don't know why. Sure there are the reasons of them "buying" a championship and how "big of a deal" the LeBron signing was. But all these things could be pinned on the media just as much as they can the Heat. Minus the asshole things that LeBron and D'wade do and how their is a sense of entitlement that comes along with them (though maybe if ESPN didn't blow a load everytime LeBron tied his shoes they wouldn't be like that).

But regardless, I've always liked the Mavericks. They're not my team, but Dirk has always been one of my favorite players. So has Jason Kidd. So fucking let's go Mavs. One more.

And btw, while I was in Boston I didn't get to see game 4. I saw parts of it while in North Station (as I was walking to board my train they went up 2-0). But back in my hotel (fucking Red Roof Inn) they didn't have the game on. I understand that the game was on Versus, but give me a fucking break. I was minutes from downtown Boston. Change your stupid channels.

And also, I've grown to enjoy Fallon more since spending time in Boston. I've also found a love for Red Brick (not to the degree of Guinness but up there) and I am upset that I will only be able to get it if I go to certain pubs in the city. Damn good drink. And the bbq turkey tips at Doyle's one of the best things I've ever eaten.

[Crispy123]

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Talk about changing teams often!

The only league I dont have a fav team in is MLB. Im more a fan of players and dont care about teams. So year to year I root for teams based on the players I like and what teams did well in the off season etc.


you just did.

[Snacks]

you just did.

But I dont have an allegiance to 1 team and then change to another. I like players and never said my fav team was the marlins, then the rays and the heat then the magic now back to the heat... Please if you like a team you like a team. If you like players then you can root them on and any team they play for!

[Crispy123]

But I dont have an allegiance to 1 team and then change to another. I like players and never said my fav team was the marlins, then the rays and the heat then the magic now back to the heat... Please if you like a team you like a team. If you like players then you can root them on and any team they play for!

Well we all have standards don't we?

Some of us even have DOUBLE standards.

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Miami GAVE UP. They didnt fuckin foul. and the crowd just walked out. WHAT A FUCKIN FAGGOT CITY

[Snacks]

Cough cough this bitches!!! I guess Miami couldnt win this series like they did in 2006 without the help from all the bad calls from the Refs.

Nice Win for Dallas, Dirk, Cuban, Kidd and most NBA Fans.

This team gave up completely and didnt even try to win it in the 4th. They didnt even try to foul when down by 9 with 1 min left. This team has no heart!

So Happy LeBron got shown for the piece of shit he is and that D'Weasel was finally called out for the overacting, fake injured pussy he is!

Crispy maybe its time to flop back to the Magic next season!!!

[Snoogans]

HAJHAHAHAHAHA i hope everyone saw bosh BALLING and then hiding and wiping his tears with his hand

[KnoxHarrington]

God damn I hope Cuban lets out all the comments he's been keeping bottled in all during these playoffs and just pops off on Stern. That would be fucking sweet.

[Snoogans]

God damn I hope Cuban lets out all the comments he's been keeping bottled in all during these playoffs and just pops off on Stern. That would be fucking sweet.

i think he will be too happy

[Snacks]

HAJHAHAHAHAHA i hope everyone saw bosh BALLING and then hiding and wiping his tears with his hand

Yeah I did in the tunnel. Funny thing is Bosh was the MVP for Miami in the finals. He outplayed the other 2 bitches and has always been a class act.

[Snacks]

God damn I hope Cuban lets out all the comments he's been keeping bottled in all during these playoffs and just pops off on Stern. That would be fucking sweet.

He had nothing to say. He actually hates Stern so much and respects the former Mavs owner that he let him get the trophy from Stern rather then Stern Shaking his own hand!

[Sinestro]

Nice to see the Original Mavs owner be involved in the celebration.

[TheGameHHH]

I couldn't be happier for Dallas, Dirk, Kidd, Cuban and even Cleveland to some extent. What a great, fun and fantastic Finals.

[Dudeman]

Of note, the starting point gurad for the NBA champs (J Kidd) is from UC Berkeley, and the starting QB for the NFL champs (A Rodgers) is from UC Berkeley.


(although neither one graduated)

[epo]

Dirk should go cough on LeBron & D-Wade just for good measure.

[TripleSkeet]

I havent enjoyed an NBA game this much since Iverson stepped on Tyrone Lue 10 years ago on his way to beating the Lakers in Game 1.

[Snoogans]

I havent enjoyed an NBA game this much since Iverson stepped on Tyrone Lue 10 years ago on his way to beating the Lakers in Game 1.

this series after game one was fuckin incredible. The whole playoff was way better than expected. if the NBA locks out it will be the biggest tragedy ever. They couldnt be rollin better right now

[razorboy]

Have to love Mark Cuban laying the smack on Miami "fans" and saying shit on live TV.

[A.J.]

Fuck you Pat Reilly!

[Doom Penis]

How did I know.if Dallas won they weren't gonna the credit they deserve. Its just a Lebron shortest, even when he loses he's the bigger story. Lame.

[TripleSkeet]

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9532/25578621266057616241140.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/25578621266057616241140.jpg/)

[hanso]

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[cougarjake13]

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9532/25578621266057616241140.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/827/25578621266057616241140.jpg/)




thats fucking awesome !!! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[A.J.]

Cleveland Pathetically Celebrates Greatest Sports Moment In City’s History (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/cleveland-pathetically-celebrates-greatest-sports,20819/)

[Snoogans]

Cleveland Pathetically Celebrates Greatest Sports Moment In City’s History (http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/cleveland-pathetically-celebrates-greatest-sports,20819/)

i believe that this is the first true story the onion ever ran

[Snacks]

i believe that this is the first true story the onion ever ran

I dont read the onion, for some reason that site has always annoyed me so I didnt read this article. But from the title of it alone, I agree with you that Im sure Clev really did celebrate this. Clev needs to get over it, they had their year of feeling like shit and most of the country supported them because of this. But now they have 2 of the top 4 picks and they should have a decent may I even say possible playoff team (with a couple of moves and these top 2 rookies). If they continue this bitterness and bitching they will lose all good will and you will actually see people start to hate them like they do Lebron!

[cougarjake13]

I dont read the onion, for some reason that site has always annoyed me so I didnt read this article. But from the title of it alone, I agree with you that Im sure Clev really did celebrate this. Clev needs to get over it, they had their year of feeling like shit and most of the country supported them because of this. But now they have 2 of the top 4 picks and they should have a decent may I even say possible playoff team (with a couple of moves and these top 2 rookies). If they continue this bitterness and bitching they will lose all good will and you will actually see people start to hate them like they do Lebron!

this last year theyll get a pass but youre right if they dont stop focusing on bron theyll lose all good will

[TheGameHHH]

This is awesome....all-time NBA draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/draft/ultimate/draft-results.html?hpt=hp_c2)

[TripleSkeet]

This is awesome....all-time NBA draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/draft/ultimate/draft-results.html?hpt=hp_c2)

Very nice. Think Doctor J is ranked a little low though. 19???

[Snoogans]

Very nice. Think Doctor J is ranked a little low though. 19???

i always thought he was overrated. He did a bunch of really cool shit, but i seriously cant remember ever seeing him make a shot from more than like 5 feet away.

[KnoxHarrington]

i always thought he was overrated. He did a bunch of really cool shit, but i seriously cant remember ever seeing him make a shot from more than like 5 feet away.

And once you figured out how to make 3 pointers in the Larry Bird vs. Dr. J One-on-One game, Dr. J just could not win.

[epo]

This is awesome....all-time NBA draft (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/draft/ultimate/draft-results.html?hpt=hp_c2)

Number 4 & 5 played together on that amazing 1971 Milwaukee Bucks team.

Seriously ridiculous...

[underdog]

i always thought he was overrated. He did a bunch of really cool shit, but i seriously cant remember ever seeing him make a shot from more than like 5 feet away.

Number 4 & 5 played together on that amazing 1971 Milwaukee Bucks team.

Seriously ridiculous...

#4 & #5 are also very overrated.

[epo]

#4 & #5 are also very overrated.

I hate you.

[Snoogans]

#4 & #5 are also very overrated.

in a video i made about shaq, i expressed my thoughts of the over rated bum that is kareem. dont know much about oscar, but he played for the bucks, so how good could he really be?

[TripleSkeet]

in a video i made about shaq, i expressed my thoughts of the over rated bum that is kareem. dont know much about oscar, but he played for the bucks, so how good could he really be?

I just cant call a guy that had a triple double career average overrated.

[A.J.]

in a video i made about shaq, i expressed my thoughts of the over rated bum that is kareem. dont know much about oscar, but he played for the bucks, so how good could he really be?

That was toward the end of his career. The Big O was ridiculous for his era.

[Snoogans]

I just cant call a guy that had a triple double career average overrated.

i never called oscar overrated. said i didnt know. just wanted to take a shot at milwaukee.


Kareem was incredibly overrated though

[TripleSkeet]

LMAO. I love this guy. I hope he buys the Dodgers....

http://deadspin.com/5814461/mark-cuban-files-the-ultimate-fuck-you-legal-brief

[Snacks]

LMAO. I love this guy. I hope he buys the Dodgers....

http://deadspin.com/5814461/mark-cuban-files-the-ultimate-fuck-you-legal-brief

If McCourt does lose the LAD then I hope Cuban is the one who gets to buy the team. I doubt it though because the old time MLB people and mainly jerk off Selig dont want someone like Cuban in the league!

[Snoogans]

If McCourt does lose the LAD then I hope Cuban is the one who gets to buy the team. I doubt it though because the old time MLB people and mainly jerk off Selig dont want someone like Cuban in the league!

if the MLB takes the team, it goes to the highest bidder, no matter who, so they couldnt stop him

[Snacks]

if the MLB takes the team, it goes to the highest bidder, no matter who, so they couldnt stop him

you sure? wasnt tex sold for less then some offers, same as the cubs? I dont know but I thought that was the case but I could be wrong.

[Snoogans]

you sure? wasnt tex sold for less then some offers, same as the cubs? I dont know but I thought that was the case but I could be wrong.

MLB technically owned texas, they didnt repossess it. From what they said on ESPN, it would essentially get foreclosed and auctioned to the highest bidder.

[hanso]

Very upset I was taped to a chair, toothpicks put in my eyes and forced to watch ""The Decision" on ESPN.

Same goes for "The Celebration for Big Three." Besides I wanted a Lithuanian and a Croatian respectively.

[hanso]

Superman is Dead.

Kurt Rambis fired as coach of Minnesota Timberwolves

The Timberwolves parted with Kurt Rambis after two seasons and a 32-132 record.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/6761830/kurt-rambis-fired-coach-minnesota-timberwolves

[cougarjake13]

not surprising


heard theyre talking to don nelson

[hanso]

Two seasons and a 32-132 record. I would hope so. No matter who is coaching.

[cougarjake13]

Two seasons and a 32-132 record. I would hope so. No matter who is coaching.

yeh but kevin garnett is not walking through that door

stephon marbury is not walking through that door

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kobe to Turkey could happen


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/2011/07/21/2011-07-21_kobe_bryant_reportedly_interested_in_playing_in _turkey_seeking_1m_a_month_to_joi.html

[Snoogans]

i love all this talk. The team, Bestikas, has all their accounts frozen due to a fixing scandal with their soccer team. Right now they can do shit.

[Snoogans]

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[cougarjake13]

pre season cancelled

[KnoxHarrington]

First two weeks of the regular season...CANCELLED

NBA Commissioner David Stern canceled the first two weeks of the season Monday, warning players and fans that the cuts may have only just begun.
"With every day that goes by, I think we need to look at further reductions in what's left of the season," said Stern, who doubts a full 82-game season can be played.
Saying he was sad and sorry, Stern erased the season's first two weeks after players and owners were unable to reach a new labor deal to end the lockout. The cancellations mark the NBA's first work stoppage since the 1998-99 season was reduced to 50 games.
"The gap is so significant that we just can't bridge it at this time," Stern said. "We certainly hoped it would never come to this."
Union president Derek Fisher agreed, emphasizing that missing any games puts the season in jeopardy.
"This is not where we choose to be," he said. "We're not at a place where a fair deal can be reached with the NBA."
With just three weeks remaining before the start of the season, top negotiators for both sides met for more than seven hours Monday but were unable to reach an agreement. The two sides expect to remain in contact, but no additional formal talks have been scheduled.
Stern said both sides are "very far apart on virtually all issues. ... We just have a gulf that separates us."


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/10/lockout.ap/index.html#ixzz1aRMW1mAq

No way there's a season this year.

Way to shoot yourself in the dick after a great playoffs that really revived interest in your league, NBA.

[TripleSkeet]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Kevin]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Afraid to get disappointed by another team?

[cougarjake13]

i just dont even care if they come back


were they delusional enough to think they were on par with the nfl and people would care ?

[Snoogans]

i just realized if they cancle this whole season, the knicks will get a fresh start in 2012, and dantoni contract is over, and Dwight Howard is a FA.

I hope amare blows his knee tomorrow and retires and his contract comes off our books

[cougarjake13]

i just realized if they cancle this whole season, the knicks will get a fresh start in 2012, and dantoni contract is over, and Dwight Howard is a FA.

I hope amare blows his knee tomorrow and retires and his contract comes off our books

wouldnt be that lucky

[Snoogans]

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just cause its official now

[TripleSkeet]

Afraid to get disappointed by another team?

Are you serious? What kind of expectations you think I would have for the Sixers? I work at the stadium, and Sixers games are horrendous wastes of time when it comes to trying to make money. I hope they cancel the whole season.

Also, dont be surprised if somehow the Eagles win the division.

[Kevin]

Are you serious? What kind of expectations you think I would have for the Sixers? I work at the stadium, and Sixers games are horrendous wastes of time when it comes to trying to make money. I hope they cancel the whole season.

Also, dont be surprised if somehow the Eagles win the division.


You win the division of their own team?

4-12 can win a division?

[epo]

Billy Hunter better not buckle to that jerkoff David Stern.

[Dude!]

Billy Hunter better not buckle to that jerkoff David Stern.

hey epo, i didn't get to see
tonight's Brewers game..

did they win?


Just kidding!
I watched it and laughed!

Suck It Milwaukee!

[CruelCircus]

i just realized if they cancle this whole season, the knicks will get a fresh start in 2012, and dantoni contract is over, and Dwight Howard is a FA.

I hope amare blows his knee tomorrow and retires and his contract comes off our books

Not to mention that New Jersey doesn't get it's final, farewell Nets season, and the next time you see the Nets they're in Brooklyn, w/o Deron Williams.

[Snacks]

Not to mention that New Jersey doesn't get it's final, farewell Nets season, and the next time you see the Nets they're in Brooklyn, w/o Deron Williams.

The coaches contracts are still active but players contracts arent from my understanding. So If a player has 2 years left on his deal he will still have 2 years left if this season is lost and they come back next season.

I could be wrong but I thought that was the case.

[sailor]

The coaches contracts are still active but players contracts arent from my understanding. So If a player has 2 years left on his deal he will still have 2 years left if this season is lost and they come back next season.

I could be wrong but I thought that was the case.

i'd be shocked if that is true.

[Snoogans]

The coaches contracts are still active but players contracts arent from my understanding. So If a player has 2 years left on his deal he will still have 2 years left if this season is lost and they come back next season.

I could be wrong but I thought that was the case.

they would come back next year with 1 year left if they had 2 this year. But Deron, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and all them only had this coming year left, so they will all be FAs if this goes the season

[Snacks]

they would come back next year with 1 year left if they had 2 this year. But Deron, Dwight Howard, Chris Paul and all them only had this coming year left, so they will all be FAs if this goes the season

so youre telling me that their contracts are still going even though they arent getting paid? They would lose 1 full year of being under contract or a team would lose a player who is in their last year? That seems odd to me, maybe its true but you would think all contracts are frozen right now since they arent getting paid. Now if they were still getting paid then I would think that the contracts were still being enforced but since they arent I thought differently.

Oh well I guess Im wrong!

[Snoogans]

so youre telling me that their contracts are still going even though they arent getting paid? They would lose 1 full year of being under contract or a team would lose a player who is in their last year? That seems odd to me, maybe its true but you would think all contracts are frozen right now since they arent getting paid. Now if they were still getting paid then I would think that the contracts were still being enforced but since they arent I thought differently.

Oh well I guess Im wrong!

the contract is by dates and time. The contract still expires the same date it would have, regardless if they played or not. So yes, if they lose this year, every contract loses a year. Thats why after the NHL lost, so many guys were on new teams

[Snacks]

the contract is by dates and time. The contract still expires the same date it would have, regardless if they played or not. So yes, if they lose this year, every contract loses a year. Thats why after the NHL lost, so many guys were on new teams

See Im looking at these contracts like Carson Palmer or Jake Plummers contracts. They are both basically still under contract. Contracts dont only go by years but when you play in those years (or if they are injured). If you sign a 3 year deal and walk away after 1 year, you are still under contract for 2 more years even if you dont come back for 3 more years. But if there is a lock out for 2 seasons I figured those contracts were frozen just like players that walked away. You are under contract only when active. So players right now can start their own league and or play for other pro teams/leagues. Their contracts will only pick back up when they are actually back to work.

Like I said I could be wrong but if their contracts are still active then they should be getting paid and the owners would have the right to still fine or enforce rules within those contracts. But right now my understanding was every contract is frozen til the lockout is over then it picks up were they left off!

I wish there was a site that had more information about this!

[Snacks]

I was wrong

Q: If there is no 2011-12 season, will players' contracts just have another year tacked onto the end?
A: No, that year would be lost. There would be a flood of new players into free agency next summer, on top of the Class of 2011 currently on hold.

http://www.nba.com/news/lockout-faqs/index.html

[KnoxHarrington]

David Stern says that the slate of games on Christmas Day, including a Heats-Mavs rematch, is in serious danger of being cancelled.

"Right now, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, just before my owners come into town, having brought in the labor relations committee and Billy (Hunter) having brought in his executive committee, it's time to make the deal," Stern said Thursday. "If we don't make it on Tuesday, my gut - this is not in my official capacity of canceling games - but my gut is that we won't be playing on Christmas Day."

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/10/13/stern.labor.talks.ap/index.html#ixzz1aiOjgvvP

Oh well, guess that "A Christmas Story" marathon TBS (or is it TNT?) does every year will be what's on the TV while I sleep off Christmas dinner instead of some NBA game.

[epo]

David Stern says that the slate of games on Christmas Day, including a Heats-Mavs rematch, is in serious danger of being cancelled.

Oh well, guess that "A Christmas Story" marathon TBS (or is it TNT?) does every year will be what's on the TV while I sleep off Christmas dinner instead of some NBA game.

If Billy Hunter buckles to this twit, he'll go down as worse than Gene Upshaw.

[Earlshog]

David Stern says that the slate of games on Christmas Day, including a Heats-Mavs rematch, is in serious danger of being cancelled.



Oh well, guess that "A Christmas Story" marathon TBS (or is it TNT?) does every year will be what's on the TV while I sleep off Christmas dinner instead of some NBA game.

Bears v Packers 8:20 X-mas night!

[cougarjake13]

See Im looking at these contracts like Carson Palmer or Jake Plummers contracts. They are both basically still under contract. Contracts dont only go by years but when you play in those years (or if they are injured). If you sign a 3 year deal and walk away after 1 year, you are still under contract for 2 more years even if you dont come back for 3 more years. But if there is a lock out for 2 seasons I figured those contracts were frozen just like players that walked away. You are under contract only when active. So players right now can start their own league and or play for other pro teams/leagues. Their contracts will only pick back up when they are actually back to work.

Like I said I could be wrong but if their contracts are still active then they should be getting paid and the owners would have the right to still fine or enforce rules within those contracts. But right now my understanding was every contract is frozen til the lockout is over then it picks up were they left off!

I wish there was a site that had more information about this!


diff is and ur other post nailed it is that in scenario 1 the league is still playing just not that particular player ...while scenario 2 whole league is shut down

[cougarjake13]

Bears v Packers 8:20 X-mas night!

unless they flex out

[Snoogans]

diff is and ur other post nailed it is that in scenario 1 the league is still playing just not that particular player ...while scenario 2 whole league is shut down

also they retired. they chose to walk away from an active deal, so of course the team is going to retain their rights.

However, im pretty sure in basketball, i fyou retire, they only hold your rights until the contract would have been up. So if you retire with 2 years left, in 2 years I THINK you are a FA anyway

[cougarjake13]

also they retired. they chose to walk away from an active deal, so of course the team is going to retain their rights.

However, im pretty sure in basketball, i fyou retire, they only hold your rights until the contract would have been up. So if you retire with 2 years left, in 2 years I THINK you are a FA anyway


yeh like i said they quit but leagues still in operation


im not up to speed on the nba so ill have to take ur word for it

was there any time left on jordans deal the 2nd time he retired after 2nd 3 peat before he played with wizards a few yrs later ... that would be a good barometer of the nba's version if he had time left and it expired before he came back

[TripleSkeet]

yeh like i said they quit but leagues still in operation


im not up to speed on the nba so ill have to take ur word for it

was there any time left on jordans deal the 2nd time he retired after 2nd 3 peat before he played with wizards a few yrs later ... that would be a good barometer of the nba's version if he had time left and it expired before he came back

If I remember correctly back then he was signing one year deals for like $30 million at a time.

[cougarjake13]

If I remember correctly back then he was signing one year deals for like $30 million at a time.

sounds bout right

[Snoogans]

If I remember correctly back then he was signing one year deals for like $30 million at a time.

yea and he was still fuckin underpaid

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whos in the mood for some old time spirituals?


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/10/hbos-bryant-gumbel-calls-david-stern-a-plantation-overseer/1

Its not slavery
NBA players arent forced to play the game. They werent taken in shackles from their families.

[Snacks]

Whos in the mood for some old time spirituals?


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/10/hbos-bryant-gumbel-calls-david-stern-a-plantation-overseer/1

Its not slavery
NBA players arent forced to play the game. They werent taken in shackles from their families.

I have never been a huge fan of Stern but Gumbel is just a douche. Whenever he gets a chance to throw race out there he does. He is one of the most racist people in sports yet he is always calling everyone racist!

This issue has nothing to do with the color of the players. This has to do with owners who couldnt control themselves over spending while players get way over paid to play a sport that I do love to watch but has turned into a me first, 1 on 1 sport that the most important skill might be being tall. Actually ball players and scorers are going away for dunks and selfish play. I love a nasty dunk but also love when a guy spots up and nails a 3 in your face.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its not like the players wont get a salary. I know some are going to play in Turkey with a pretty decent payday

[JimBeam]

... the most important skill might be being tall.

I heard Stern say the other day that he thought his league had the most talented players on the planet.

As far as the race issue goes I'd love to see what 80% of these guys would do without basketball as an option.

They'd be a slave to the 40 hour work week or to government asssitance.

That was my belief with the NFL players but I think, and I could be way off as I have no valid research, that NBA players are far less capable of surviving on their own than their football counterparts.

[cougarjake13]

I heard Stern say the other day that he thought his league had the most talented players on the planet.

As far as the race issue goes I'd love to see what 80% of these guys would do without basketball as an option.

They'd be a slave to the 40 hour work week or to government asssitance.

That was my belief with the NFL players but I think, and I could be way off as I have no valid research, that NBA players are far less capable of surviving on their own than their football counterparts.

well for what its worth bc of the fraft rules future nfl-ers stay in college longer then future nba-ers ... not sure if that counts for much but theyd at least have an associates

[TripleSkeet]

yea and he was still fuckin underpaid

Yea but he didnt care because they couldve paid him the salary of the entire Bulls team and it still wouldve been sheckles compared to what he was making with Nike.

[hanso]

Give it back to da Jews.

[cougarjake13]

Give it back to da Jews.

dolan's jewish ??

[spoon]

Nascar is heatin up boys!

get on over here and watch 47 minutes and counting of the red flag stop!!!

[epo]

Whos in the mood for some old time spirituals?


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2011/10/hbos-bryant-gumbel-calls-david-stern-a-plantation-overseer/1

Its not slavery
NBA players arent forced to play the game. They werent taken in shackles from their families.

You are, as you normally are, very very wrong.

Bryant Gumbel might be a complete douche, but he's absolutely right.

[Snacks]

You are, as you normally are, very very wrong.

Bryant Gumbel might be a complete douche, but he's absolutely right.

Gumbel is a complete douche and is making this a race issue when its not. You cant just use race to try to win an argument when the argument has nothing to do with race. Jordan is an owner, there are white players. The owners arent doing this because the players are black and the owners are white.

[epo]

Gumbel is a complete douche and is making this a race issue when its not. You cant just use race to try to win an argument when the argument has nothing to do with race. Jordan is an owner, there are white players. The owners arent doing this because the players are black and the owners are white.

Its analogy based upon David Stern's awful history of treating the league's players like dirt. If you take the salaries out of the equation and look at Stern's antics, he's nothing more than an authoritarian asshole.

And of anyone, Michael Jordan should be ashamed of himself for siding with Stern. He of anyone knows what a reprehensible lunatic Stern is.

[spoon]

stop being topical and come to your senses you fucks!

red flag stop up over an HOUR now! They're actually BLOWING the track and speaking in tongues about "restarts" and the effects of the lights? WOW!

[spoon]

Its analogy based upon David Stern's awful history of treating the league's players like dirt. If you take the salaries out of the equation and look at Stern's antics, he's nothing more than an authoritarian asshole.

And of anyone, Michael Jordan should be ashamed of himself for siding with Stern. He of anyone knows what a reprehensible lunatic Stern is.

He taught Bettman all he knows too! Fuck them both.

[Snacks]

Its analogy based upon David Stern's awful history of treating the league's players like dirt. If you take the salaries out of the equation and look at Stern's antics, he's nothing more than an authoritarian asshole.

And of anyone, Michael Jordan should be ashamed of himself for siding with Stern. He of anyone knows what a reprehensible lunatic Stern is.

What Jordan is doing and saying should be proof to all that when these issues come up it truly isnt about race its about greed. As more and more minorities get power and money you see they become republicans and side with their own interest. Maybe people will realize that they arent doing these things to "keep the blacks down". The rich do what they do purely for greed and their own benefit. Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for society and maybe this will help us get past all this race shit when it comes to the have and have nots.

Thats why I do agree the govt needs to stop with the tax cuts for the rich b/c the rich people and business owners will never put that money anywhere but back in their pocket. That being said the NBA is losing money. I dont know what you are talking about with Stern but he is 1 of the better commissioners, he has always been a douche with the way he speaks but he has always done good by the league, at least for the most part he tries to put the league above the players and the owners.

I dont love Stern but I sure as hell dont hate him and cant fault him for some of the things he does. He def talk to people like they are morons but once again color has nothing to do with it. He speaks to the media the same way. He just thinks hes smarter then everyone else it has no problem talking that way. But once again color is being brought in to this when it shouldnt.

[epo]

What Jordan is doing and saying should be proof to all that when these issues come up it truly isnt about race its about greed. As more and more minorities get power and money you see they become republicans and side with their own interest. Maybe people will realize that they arent doing these things to "keep the blacks down". The rich do what they do purely for greed and their own benefit. Hopefully this will be a teaching moment for society and maybe this will help us get past all this race shit when it comes to the have and have nots.

Thats why I do agree the govt needs to stop with the tax cuts for the rich b/c the rich people and business owners will never put that money anywhere but back in their pocket. That being said the NBA is losing money. I dont know what you are talking about with Stern but he is 1 of the better commissioners, he has always been a douche with the way he speaks but he has always done good by the league, at least for the most part he tries to put the league above the players and the owners.

I dont love Stern but I sure as hell dont hate him and cant fault him for some of the things he does. He def talk to people like they are morons but once again color has nothing to do with it. He speaks to the media the same way. He just thinks hes smarter then everyone else it has no problem talking that way. But once again color is being brought in to this when it shouldnt.

We're actually on the same side here. Gumbel's argument wasn't about race, it was about the ownership mentality.

People often confuse slavery with race, but its really about power & money. Always has been, always will be.

[spoon]

Its analogy based upon David Stern's awful history of treating the league's players like dirt. If you take the salaries out of the equation and look at Stern's antics, he's nothing more than an authoritarian asshole.

And of anyone, Michael Jordan should be ashamed of himself for siding with Stern. He of anyone knows what a reprehensible lunatic Stern is.

Jordan is just trying to make sure owners never get bacon neck ever again.

[cougarjake13]

Jordan is just trying to make sure owners never get bacon neck ever again.

have u seen it ?? its horrendous

[hanso]

dolan's jewish ??

Most players were at one time.

[cougarjake13]

Most players were at one time.

ahh

[hanso]

Tentative deal reached there maybe games on Xmas day.

[brettmojo]

Tentative deal reached there maybe games on Xmas day.
Meh... It was fun while it lasted.

[cougarjake13]

was hoping for a full season lost

[Fallon]

It's a Christmas miracle!!!

:thumbdown:

[Snoogans]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

you fuckin bums better get these votes done and hurry the fuck up.

[hanso]

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/1852/6215793.gif

[epo]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSS

you fuckin bums better get these votes done and hurry the fuck up.

After that's done they should fire Billy Hunter.

[TripleSkeet]

Tentative deal reached there maybe games on Xmas day.

Im so fucking pissed off by this.

[hanso]

Only 16 games missed go back to Heat hating now.

[Kevin]

Only 16 games missed go back to Heat hating now.

Heatin up for 3 qts!

[sailor]

Im so fucking pissed off by this.

Why?

[Kevin]

Why?

He's a Sixer fan, any time he does not have to watch them is OK by him.

[JimBeam]

I was really hoping this sport never came back.

But I guess I'm happy for you guys that do enjoy it.

[cougarjake13]

I was really hoping this sport never came back.

But I guess I'm happy for you guys that do enjoy it.

it was gonna come back at some point but i was hoping for a entire missed season

[epo]

Stern kills Lakers’ deal for Paul (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al7tH5RyB56dA_Yra3dXbW68vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811)

NBA commissioner David Stern has killed the New Orleans Hornets’ trade of Chris Paul after several owners complained about the league-owned team dealing the All-Star point guard to the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Exhibit #4815 why David Stern is a fucking douchebag.

[Kevin]

Stern kills Lakers’ deal for Paul (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Al7tH5RyB56dA_Yra3dXbW68vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_chris_paul_lakers_hornets_nba_120811)



Exhibit #4815 why David Stern is a fucking douchebag.

1. It was not Stern who killed it, a group of owners who OWN the team protested the deal, because.

2. That deal was utter garbage for NO.

As much as I agree with your Stern assessment, this was not really him.. he was doing what his bosses told him to do.

You can't sell a team that you just gave away your only star player for garbage.

Stern is a douchbag for letting that deal go through in the first place.

[epo]

1. It was not Stern who killed it, a group of owners who OWN the team protested the deal, because.

2. That deal was utter garbage for NO.

As much as I agree with your Stern assessment, this was not really him.. he was doing what his bosses told him to do.

Fair enough...

But I would ask this: does New Orlean have a process in place for trades? If they don't, we just have another commissioner just making shit up.

[Kevin]

Fair enough...

But I would ask this: does New Orlean have a process in place for trades? If they don't, we just have another commissioner just making shit up.

I think he made a sweetheart deal for LA and then got called out for that by the owners.

Thats my best guess..

[cougarjake13]

I think he made a sweetheart deal for LA and then got called out for that by the owners.

Thats my best guess..

or he really wants him to go to the knicks as much as paul reportedly wanted to

[Kevin]

or he really wants him to go to the knicks as much as paul reportedly wanted to

It will be interesting to see what the Knicks do with this Chandler thing now that this other deal was killed.

If they get Chandler there is no shot at CP3 unless the Knicks give up Amare..

Though I do not want the deal to go through, Id rather Knicks get Chandler and build an actual team.

[cougarjake13]

It will be interesting to see what the Knicks do with this Chandler thing now that this other deal was killed.

If they get Chandler there is no shot at CP3 unless the Knicks give up Amare..

wouldnt chandler, cp3 and melo be a better lineup then amare, chandler and melo ?

[Snacks]

If Howard does become a NJ Net then they will be really good this year. Best center in the league and best point guard in the league! 2 best players at the 2 most important positions in the NBA.

This will also make it a lock that Williams resigns with the Nets. It also doesnt hurt that the Knicks are signing Chandler at around $14 million a year.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-dwight-howard-nets-trade-1210-20111209,0,6501620.story

[spoon]

I was really hoping this sport never came back.

But I guess I'm happy for you guys that do enjoy it.

I'm with Beam on this, minus the happy part for you ugly cunt fans.

[Snoogans]

the deal will happen. and the deal wasnt garbage for NO. they woulda got Odom, Scola, 2 other players and a draft pick. it was a pretty fair deal. its also gonna go through, just as soon as the nets get dwight howard and the owners are sure the lakers are ONLY gettin CP

[Snoogans]

If Howard does become a NJ Net then they will be really good this year. Best center in the league and best point guard in the league! 2 best players at the 2 most important positions in the NBA.

This will also make it a lock that Williams resigns with the Nets. It also doesnt hurt that the Knicks are signing Chandler at around $14 million a year.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-dwight-howard-nets-trade-1210-20111209,0,6501620.story

williams is not the best PG in the league. In fact, the only reason he is a PG is cause he isnt tall enough to play the 2. but he isnt a good guy, and he isnt good to his teammates. Something always didnt sit right with me on Deron, the way they ran him outta utah just like that, for garbage. that has to mean something

[spoon]

the deal will happen. and the deal wasnt garbage for NO. they woulda got Odom, Scola, 2 other players and a draft pick. it was a pretty fair deal. its also gonna go through, just as soon as the nets get dwight howard and the owners are sure the lakers are ONLY gettin CP

so much for that whole competitive balance thing the NBA and Stern claimed to be keying on huh?

[spoon]

sounds to me, from what I heard/read, the players took it on the chin and all the owners now make more money

it seemed more about competitive earning, not balance on the court

[spoon]

my guess is you'll see more Pirate like teams if they continue to make money and winning means little to drive that as compared to the past

[Snoogans]

so much for that whole competitive balance thing the NBA and Stern claimed to be keying on huh?

my guess is you'll see more Pirate like teams if they continue to make money and winning means little to drive that as compared to the past

they added some sort of revenue sharing. but still, i have no fuckin idea exactly how this CBA works. All i know is, they actually made it EASIER to trade guys. You dont have to match money as close anymore.

the NBA just doesnt want howard and paul both goin to LA. Paul will be allowed to go, and howard will go to the nets. They secretly want this in the NBA cause it makes more people watch

[A.J.]

I SOOOOOOO wanted to see Odom go to NO simply because it will mean the end of his marriage to that wookie Kardashian.

[spoon]

they added some sort of revenue sharing. but still, i have no fuckin idea exactly how this CBA works. All i know is, they actually made it EASIER to trade guys. You dont have to match money as close anymore.

the NBA just doesnt want howard and paul both goin to LA. Paul will be allowed to go, and howard will go to the nets. They secretly want this in the NBA cause it makes more people watch

not me! yet you know my take on the sport already. I'm more into the labor dispute, league restructure and ideas that come from it bc Stern has a major influence on asshole Bettman and all the leagues go through similar shit

sounds like only 4 teams will be watched at all in the end, like MLB of late

why not go the NFL route and have every team in the picture and getting viewership if on tv

[spoon]

wookie Kardashian.

Holy fuck! That's awesome!

It's an awesome board name, board character, site name and of course band!


Make them all happen please!

[Snoogans]

not me! yet you know my take on the sport already. I'm more into the labor dispute, league restructure and ideas that come from it bc Stern has a major influence on asshole Bettman and all the leagues go through similar shit

sounds like only 4 teams will be watched at all in the end, like MLB of late

why not go the NFL route and have every team in the picture and getting viewership if on tv

cause they dont have the money coming in that the NFL does to spread enough money around to the teams. In the NFL, no teams were losing money. in the NBA, alot of teams lost money. so even sharing money more, that basically just gets those other guys even.

And im sorry, but i wouldnt feel bad for NO. they were gettin back some marketable stars, its not like they were giving CP 3 away for trash like denver did with melo.

If you are interested in the CBA, i think since it finally voted by yesterday, you can now read all the finer points if you look for it

[Kevin]

not me! yet you know my take on the sport already. I'm more into the labor dispute, league restructure and ideas that come from it bc Stern has a major influence on asshole Bettman and all the leagues go through similar shit

sounds like only 4 teams will be watched at all in the end, like MLB of late

why not go the NFL route and have every team in the picture and getting viewership if on tv

Have you watched the NFL lately?

Its TERRIBLE, the talent is so diluted that its become boring.

Im not saying go MLB route, but NFL route sucks ass too.

[spoon]

Have you watched the NFL lately?

Its TERRIBLE, the talent is so diluted that its become boring.

Im not saying go MLB route, but NFL route sucks ass too.

you think all of a sudden it's the talent level drawing from a larger talent pool in college than ever?

sorry kev, it's called coaching and I'll point to SF as a prime example of the difference bt a good one and what keeps getting jobs

bottom line, coaching in the NFL is probably the most important and at the lowest point I've ever seen

and I'll watch ANY team play in football versus very few in MLB and I love both sports

it's more about viability over time and most mlb teams have no identity, top players for long/if at all and will only lose them at the height of their value/worth

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you think all of a sudden it's the talent level drawing from a larger talent pool in college than ever?

sorry kev, it's called coaching and I'll point to SF as a prime example of the difference bt a good one and what keeps getting jobs

bottom line, coaching in the NFL is probably the most important and at the lowest point I've ever seen

and I'll watch ANY team play in football versus very few in MLB and I love both sports

it's more about viability over time and most mlb teams have no identity, top players for long/if at all and will only lose them at the height of their value/worth

basically, for your own head, the NBA attempted to slide itself just about halfway between how NFL runs and how MLB runs.

and the players didnt get killed killed. the BRI split is 50/50, and the players actually get 51.2% this year. its not like the owners cut their balls off. Plus they have an opt out in 6 years, the year after they redo the TV deals for more money, so the players will have leverage then

[Kevin]

you think all of a sudden it's the talent level drawing from a larger talent pool in college than ever?

sorry kev, it's called coaching and I'll point to SF as a prime example of the difference bt a good one and what keeps getting jobs

bottom line, coaching in the NFL is probably the most important and at the lowest point I've ever seen

and I'll watch ANY team play in football versus very few in MLB and I love both sports

it's more about viability over time and most mlb teams have no identity, top players for long/if at all and will only lose them at the height of their value/worth


Fair enough, that does have a good % to do with it.

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the deal will happen. and the deal wasnt garbage for NO. they woulda got Odom, Scola, 2 other players and a draft pick. it was a pretty fair deal. its also gonna go through, just as soon as the nets get dwight howard and the owners are sure the lakers are ONLY gettin CP

the biggest problem was how much it helped the lakers too on top of getting 1 of the best pg in the league. the lakers would have saved $20 million in salary and $20 million in cap penalties. thats $40 million plus getting chris paul all for odom who is old and a bench player and scola who sucks.

i still think the nba looks bad for not setting some guidelines or for this info getting out there but i totally understand how 20+ small market teams dont want to see this happen when they are part owner of the hornets and will be trying to selling a team with no assets that is already a bad sell as it is.

[Snoogans]

the biggest problem was how much it helped the lakers too on top of getting 1 of the best pg in the league. the lakers would have saved $20 million in salary and $20 million in cap penalties. thats $40 million plus getting chris paul all for odom who is old and a bench player and scola who sucks.

i still think the nba looks bad for not setting some guidelines or for this info getting out there but i totally understand how 20+ small market teams dont want to see this happen when they are part owner of the hornets and will be trying to selling a team with no assets that is already a bad sell as it is.

i understand it to. but those 20 small markets will feel the same when someone deals for DH, but they wont be able to do shit to stop it. thats why its nonsense. I know the NBA owns the team, but the deal isnt unfair. sure it helps the lakers, but it helps houston and NO too. And if the NBA didnt own NO, it would be done. so if the lakers go and trade for DH now, its gonna be the same thing, and no one can do shit about it.

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williams is not the best PG in the league. In fact, the only reason he is a PG is cause he isnt tall enough to play the 2. but he isnt a good guy, and he isnt good to his teammates. Something always didnt sit right with me on Deron, the way they ran him outta utah just like that, for garbage. that has to mean something

ok, what is he the 2nd best pg? i would rather have him over paul personally. they both avg about the same points, asst, shooting %, 3p% and every stat for their careers but paul is a better at steals (much better) and they are the same age (25 and 26). The only true difference is height which Williams is 3" taller.

when the trade went down last year right after the mello trade there was man discussion on espn talking about how the nets made the better trade getting williams over melo and how the knicks would have been better off getting williams over melo but dodnt even know he was available? if the nets get howard and wlliams they will have by far the best inside outside tandem in the league. no one is close to as good as howard is at center thats not even a discussion and even if williams is #2 at pg he is still a stud who scores and creates shots for other players.

who would you rather have howard, williams and humphries (dont laugh the kid is a good defender and reb with little better #s then chandler last year and last year was a break out year for both of them)

or

melo, amare, chandler?

I like the nets 3 better. before you bitch about humphries and brag about chandler neither of them are stud especially chandler. he had a good year last year but hes no stud. he avg 10 and 9 last year and it was only his 2nd good season. He has never lived up to his expectations. Same goes for humphries, last year was a break out year for him avg 10 and 10. the nets will have a really good offense but an excellent def. the knocks will have an incredible offense with again no def. at least chandler will help that.

obviously we will disagree on who will have the better 3 of the 2 teams so lets not even argue about it.