2012 NFL Off Season Discussion Thread

[Tenbatsuzen]

The Sanchez extension is just an awful move.

I hope to God this was an issue with Schotty, and not with Sanchez.

[Kevin]

The Sanchez extension is just an awful move.

I hope to God this was an issue with Schotty, and not with Sanchez.

Shorty didn't make him throw awful

[hanso]

The O-line guru will fix everything....FG's & fist pumps..And happy Henne.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Shorty didn't make him throw awful

No, that was Wayne Hunter's fault.

[Snacks]

The O-line guru will fix everything....FG's & fist pumps..And happy Henne.

haha so true. have you ever seen someone so excited to get a fg? maybe he will wear a jets cheerleader uniform and pom poms?!

[hanso]

haha so true. have you ever seen someone so excited to get a fg? maybe he will wear a jets cheerleader uniform and pom poms?!

He might get RT Marc Colombo to fill the gap.

[weekapaugjz]

The Sanchez extension is just an awful move.

i'm glad to see you aren't drinking the kool-aid.

[Kevin]

It looks like its down to Den Zona.

Miami has dropped off, he prob watched that awful song and said FUUUUUUUCK THAT.

[Snacks]

It looks like its down to Den Zona.

Miami has dropped off, he prob watched that awful song and said FUUUUUUUCK THAT.

that will be the reason i will use if he doesnt sign with mia.

as for mia being out where did you see that? everything i read said arz today and meeting with mia mon or tues.

[Kevin]

The Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, the first two teams Manning visited, are considered his two likeliest landing spots, according to sources familiar with the situation.


The Seattle Seahawks continue to try to arrange a meeting with Manning, according to sources, but so far they have been unable to do so.


Manning still could wind up meeting with the Dolphins, but indications are that Miami isn't as high on his list as Denver and Arizona

[Snacks]

why would he go to den other then the div is an easier one? they have no wrs even thomas is above avg at best. they have an old rb, an avg at best offensive line and their def played great down the stretch but still finished the season 19th overall and they just had 2 key defensive players suspended for 6 games due to peds. oh and its outside, cold and a mile fucking high!

[cougarjake13]

wow

Snacks will be inconsolable

[Kevin]

wow

Snacks will be inconsolable

His fandom willlll goooooo oooooooooooooonnnnnnnn.

[cougarjake13]

His fandom willlll goooooo oooooooooooooonnnnnnnn.



As will the shitty qb's to play since Marino retired

[KnoxHarrington]

Reports say that if the Broncos get Peyton Manning, Tebow's gone.

The report from Pro Football Talk, which cited an unidentified "source with knowledge of the dynamics in Denver," said the team prefers to trade Tebow rather than release him.

"The visit was productive," a Broncos source told The Denver Post. "The team is hopeful and encouraged by the time spent" with Manning.

Manning's agent didn't accompany him to Denver. Manning is expected to announce his decision when free agency opens Tuesday.


Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-03-11/peyton-manning-tim-tebow-denver-broncos-arizona-cardinals?eadid=EL/SICOM&sct=hp_t2_a4#ixzz1opYIQCJL

I'm not sure how wise a move this would be, though I am of the opinion that Tim Tebow will never be a great, or even particularly good, NFL quarterback.

[cougarjake13]

Too bad they couldnt convince to move to hb or te

[Snoogans]

Too bad they couldnt convince to move to hb or te

because he probably cant do it. He isnt that fast. He is a great athlete but he doesnt have breakaway speed to shake coverage. he runs well cause he is a QB and he is running through breakdowns and open lanes. Its alot different. I dont think he can get off the line and seperate from a saftey or a good cover LB. besides, no one really knows if he has the ability to catch the ball well enough to do that

[cougarjake13]

True but I'm sure they d love to know before he's traded or released
just for jersey sales and all the hysteria over him alone I'd wanna try to keep him if I was gm


Manning might be the only qb that the Tebow faithful don't go crazy if he comes here to take over
At least that's what I heard not sure if I'd agree they'll be pissed no matter what I think

[Kevin]

True but I'm sure they d love to know before he's traded or released
just for jersey sales and all the hysteria over him alone I'd wanna try to keep him if I was gm


Manning might be the only qb that the Tebow faithful don't go crazy if he comes here to take over
At least that's what I heard not sure if I'd agree they'll be pissed no matter what I think

Fuck the Tebow faithful

They are fucking morons.

And you know fans, first Manning TD pass, Tebow who?

[sailor]

i don't think denver fans are as bonkers for tebow as people are making them out to be. they clamored for him because orton sucks so bad. most of the tebow hysteria thru the season was non-denver fans. of course they'd welcome manning, assuming he is more than a shell of his former self.

[Snoogans]

i don't think denver fans are as bonkers for tebow as people are making them out to be. they clamored for him because orton sucks so bad. most of the tebow hysteria thru the season was non-denver fans. of course they'd welcome manning, assuming he is more than a shell of his former self.

i dont know. i saw a couple of pieces about how denver is incredibly religious, esp with the kinda weird out there religions like tebow has. They said that fan pressure was the only reason pretty much that tebow ever got in. after him winnin the playoff game, they are over the top with him. Its really fucked up, at least the way its been portrayed through the dirty liberal media (WF approved)


man i hope he thinks im serious

[Tenbatsuzen]

i'm glad to see you aren't drinking the kool-aid.

I don't deny that I've defended Sanchez a lot in the past, but his plateau and even regression this year, along with Schottenheimer's questionable play calling in 2010 and last year, made me say that I needed to see Sanchez in a new system before I wrote him off.

I could understand giving him an extension after next season if he showed growth in the next season. But NOW? After the Jets publicly flirted with Manning and then giving Sanchez the Vanessa Bryant apology diamond? Are you kidding?

The Jets flirting with Manning could have been the best way to put a chip on Sanchez's shoulder and light a fire under his ass. The biggest complaint about Sanchez is that he's coddled. Now, the Jets FO have all but proven that.

I can only hope this contract is ridiculously incentive laden and it's not as expensive as they are reporting.

Fucking Jets. I hate this team so much sometimes.

[Snoogans]

sorry, snacks, shouldnt have made that ass awful song

The Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, the first two teams Manning visited, are considered his two likeliest landing spots, according to sources familiar with the situation.

The Seattle Seahawks continue to try to arrange a meeting with Manning, according to sources, but so far they have been unable to do so.

Manning still could wind up meeting with the Dolphins, but indications are that Miami isn't as high on his list as Denver and Arizona.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think where Manning winds up all relies on the strength of the offensive line to protect him.

The Cards allowed 54 sacks and 86 hits last year.

The Broncos allowed 42 sacks and 68 hits.

However, the Broncos numbers could be skewed a bit because of how mobile Tebow was.

[cougarjake13]

I think where Manning winds up all relies on the strength of the offensive line to protect him.

The Cards allowed 54 sacks and 86 hits last year.

The Broncos allowed 42 sacks and 68 hits.

However, the Broncos numbers could be skewed a bit because of how mobile Tebow was.


Could ?

[hanso]

that will be the reason i will use if he doesnt sign with mia.

as for mia being out where did you see that? everything i read said arz today and meeting with mia mon or tues.

This is being put out, which is kinda odd as he has yet to meet up with Mia..

why would he go to den other then the div is an easier one? they have no wrs even thomas is above avg at best. they have an old rb, an avg at best offensive line and their def played great down the stretch but still finished the season 19th overall and they just had 2 key defensive players suspended for 6 games due to peds. oh and its outside, cold and a mile fucking high!

Den has a lot of cap $. Mia. could free more cap $ cutting players. Not sure what Ari. has other than a kick ass WR.

[hanso]

I don't deny that I've defended Sanchez a lot in the past, but his plateau and even regression this year, along with Schottenheimer's questionable play calling in 2010 and last year, made me say that I needed to see Sanchez in a new system before I wrote him off.

I could understand giving him an extension after next season if he showed growth in the next season. But NOW? After the Jets publicly flirted with Manning and then giving Sanchez the Vanessa Bryant apology diamond? Are you kidding?

The Jets flirting with Manning could have been the best way to put a chip on Sanchez's shoulder and light a fire under his ass. The biggest complaint about Sanchez is that he's coddled. Now, the Jets FO have all but proven that.

I can only hope this contract is ridiculously incentive laden and it's not as expensive as they are reporting.

Fucking Jets. I hate this team so much sometimes.

20 Mil guaranteed is what I heard.

[Tenbatsuzen]

20 Mil guaranteed is what I heard.

From what I read, they extended him but also restructured him. They freed up some cap space but the Jets are on the hook for another year more than what they were originally on for.

Basically, his old contract, Jets could cut him loose after year three of five (which we were at now) and not have a huge guaranteed money hit, now they guarantee him more money for this year and next year, and then re-evaluate again. I think, that's how i'm reading it.

Still don't understand why they just couldn't keep up the terms of his old contract and why they had to extend it when they had him for 2 years, but maybe freeing up the cap room has something to do with it,

[Snoogans]

From what I read, they extended him but also restructured him. They freed up some cap space but the Jets are on the hook for another year more than what they were originally on for.

Basically, his old contract, Jets could cut him loose after year three of five (which we were at now) and not have a huge guaranteed money hit, now they guarantee him more money for this year and next year, and then re-evaluate again. I think, that's how i'm reading it.

Still don't understand why they just couldn't keep up the terms of his old contract and why they had to extend it when they had him for 2 years, but maybe freeing up the cap room has something to do with it,

they freed space now, but the deal guranteed him 20 of the 40 in the ext, so its still a pretty big commitment cause if you cut him before the end of 2014 you take a min 20 mill cap hit

[spoon]

F-tags on kickers WTF?

actually a VERY smart move for the Broncos, bc of their offensive structure, thin air and how cheap that controlling tag is for kickers right now with all the young kickers in the league right now.

[spoon]

http://i.imgur.com/q2Rg1.jpg (http://imgur.com/q2Rg1)

A Jets jersey can even make Peyton look bad!!!

Nah, they all look bad to me but the zona one. I'm sure Fitz would LOVE to get Manning! Could you imagine Manning to Fitz?! UNREAL. He could throw lefty better than mister 35 tds Kolb!

[CountryBob]

Nah, they all look bad to me but the zona one. I'm sure Fitz would LOVE to get Manning! Could you imagine Manning to Fitz?! UNREAL. He could throw lefty better than mister 35 tds Kolb!

Im hoping he goes down south to the land of the panini

[Snacks]

Nah, they all look bad to me but the zona one. I'm sure Fitz would LOVE to get Manning! Could you imagine Manning to Fitz?! UNREAL. He could throw lefty better than mister 35 tds Kolb!

if he can stand upright long enough. they have a very bad offensive line and gave up 54 sacks last year.

this is from last summer but they didnt get any better last year. 32nd out of 32 teams at the line.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/752574-nfl-power-rankings-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-for-2011/page/2

[spoon]

Why? A rookie QB is a rookie QB no matter how pro ready the draftniks think a prospect is. All we learned last year is without Manning the Colts' talent wasn't all that talented. Addai is lousy, ditto for Painter, Clark is getting older and Brackett and Bullitt are cap casualties from an awful defensive squad. The smart thing is to build a young team around Luck much as they did with Manning.

The worst thing about the Colts was the coaching, as I refuse to think that team was THAT bad. Sorry, they were a boat adrift without Manning bc that coach was just a seat holder.

[spoon]

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5192/mark-sanchez

Jets signed QB Mark Sanchez to three-year, $40.5 million extension through 2016.
It's an apology extension. The Jets put out feelers for Peyton Manning, and they were quickly rebuffed. This is Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson's way of saying sorry. On the bright side, the extension should lower Sanchez's salary cap number in 2012, giving the Jets room to operate in free agency. The downside is much worse, of course, especially if Sanchez continues his regression. At the very best, he's plateaued since entering the league. The extension will make the Jets a much less enticing landing spot for free agent quarterbacks that want a legitimate chance to start. Sanchez won't be "competing" for his job anymore. Mar 9 - 10:32 PM


made me laugh.

THAT part made me laugh. Sorry, it's a fucking business Sanchez and you simply aren't getting it done on your end. Why would they throw money at him to say sorry when he's the reason they NEED to look elsewhere? Bottom line is this guy is fucking coddled in NY and they need to stop it. I would have said this MAY be possible IF you show us we were right to stick it out with you from here on in. If not, we move on. Unreal level of idiotic contracts/extensions. It's up there with Norv's extension. Welcome to stupidity and mediocrity Jet fans!

[spoon]

So is the Manning race pretty much a 2 horse race now between Arizona and Miami? I hear hes got a meeting with Elway this weeek. Holy shit between him and Tebow what a circus that would be. I knew I was right about Washington.

Nah, hearing it's Denver leading now and Zona #2...Miam #3 but it's all up in the air still.

He's even meeting with the Titans soon too.

Peyton's Travels (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82789fa6/article/peyton-manning-predictions-cards-broncos-seem-most-logical?module=HP11_content_stream)

[spoon]

Why would Zona want Manning when they have Kevin Kolb and his 35tds a year?

:lol:

[Gutter]

via twitter:
Tommy Johnagin ‏ @tommyjohnagin
Tim Tebow and Kevin Kolb were just spotted leaving a store with 4 pints of ice cream and 5 bottles of wine. Gonna be a long night

hahaha

[spoon]

The Denver Broncos and Arizona Cardinals, the first two teams Manning visited, are considered his two likeliest landing spots, according to sources familiar with the situation.


The Seattle Seahawks continue to try to arrange a meeting with Manning, according to sources, but so far they have been unable to do so.


Manning still could wind up meeting with the Dolphins, but indications are that Miami isn't as high on his list as Denver and Arizona

Like I said from the start, this thing will be ALL OVER bc there are few teams in the league who couldn't use a great qb. As he goes from town to town, you'll see those become the "rumored top landing spots" no matter what was discussed.

My thoughts on Denver are conflicted to be honest. The weather doesn't fit his needs, yet the division is WIDE OPEN for some team to take control, much like when Manning joined the Colts. He has a direct path to the playoffs in the very weak AFC West, much less he stays in the weaker AFC. He stays away from his brother, a tough division and the better conference at this point. His only battle each year would be with SD and Rivers, yet Norv loses in the coaching matchup Fox v Norv.

Another HUGE factor is the Elway factor. To me, this is one of the ONLY ways he can ditch Tebow without the Denver fans going nuts and before Tebow's value completely comes crashing down. You KNOW he and Fox do not want the Tebow style offense one is forced to use in the NFL, much less it's a shot for Elway to get his gunslinger/franchise qb. It's a very interesting fit, but we'll see.

I just think Elway will go ALL OUT to land him and then move Tebow to Jacksonville, or even Miami if they are dumb enough to do so. I think the Jags will make this move and it'll work for their main issue right now, a starting qb who will put people in the seats with the new owner needing to revamp this whole situation. He's simply LOVED down there, and can do no wrong on that shitty team. Gabbert looked like garbage too, so I don't see it being an issue. Perhaps they'd swap shitty qbs with Denver getting some extra and Gabbert gets to learn under Manning?

If all this goes down, and it's a pretty good rundown overall, I see Flynn going to Miami as almost a sure thing. We'll see.

[spoon]

why would he go to den other then the div is an easier one? they have no wrs even thomas is above avg at best. they have an old rb, an avg at best offensive line and their def played great down the stretch but still finished the season 19th overall and they just had 2 key defensive players suspended for 6 games due to peds. oh and its outside, cold and a mile fucking high!

what?

both Thomas and Decker are quite good, even with Tebow

I have little reservation Manning wouldn't make Thomas a top tier guy and Decker look like the second coming of Welker.

[spoon]

if he can stand upright long enough. they have a very bad offensive line and gave up 54 sacks last year.

this is from last summer but they didnt get any better last year. 32nd out of 32 teams at the line.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/752574-nfl-power-rankings-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-in-the-nfl-for-2011/page/2

they have cap room and there are a TON of OL free agents out there more than willing to follow him and protect his ass

bottom line is Miami doesn't even have the money right now to sign Manning without cuts, much less some help...even if they need less

pros and cons all over...this thing is completely all over still in my mind

[Snacks]

they have cap room and there are a TON of OL free agents out there more than willing to follow him and protect his ass

bottom line is Miami doesn't even have the money right now to sign Manning without cuts, much less some help...even if they need less

pros and cons all over...this thing is completely all over still in my mind

everything i read said arz is over the cap by $16 million before renegotiating their LT and before signing manning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/if-cards-want-manning-theyll-need-to-scramble-to-create-cap-space/

[Earlshog]

Like I said from the start, this thing will be ALL OVER bc there are few teams in the league who couldn't use a great qb. As he goes from town to town, you'll see those become the "rumored top landing spots" no matter what was discussed.

My thoughts on Denver are conflicted to be honest. The weather doesn't fit his needs, yet the division is WIDE OPEN for some team to take control, much like when Manning joined the Colts. He has a direct path to the playoffs in the very weak AFC West, much less he stays in the weaker AFC. He stays away from his brother, a tough division and the better conference at this point. His only battle each year would be with SD and Rivers, yet Norv loses in the coaching matchup Fox v Norv.

Another HUGE factor is the Elway factor. To me, this is one of the ONLY ways he can ditch Tebow without the Denver fans going nuts and before Tebow's value completely comes crashing down. You KNOW he and Fox do not want the Tebow style offense one is forced to use in the NFL, much less it's a shot for Elway to get his gunslinger/franchise qb. It's a very interesting fit, but we'll see.

I just think Elway will go ALL OUT to land him and then move Tebow to Jacksonville, or even Miami if they are dumb enough to do so. I think the Jags will make this move and it'll work for their main issue right now, a starting qb who will put people in the seats with the new owner needing to revamp this whole situation. He's simply LOVED down there, and can do no wrong on that shitty team. Gabbert looked like garbage too, so I don't see it being an issue. Perhaps they'd swap shitty qbs with Denver getting some extra and Gabbert gets to learn under Manning?

If all this goes down, and it's a pretty good rundown overall, I see Flynn going to Miami as almost a sure thing. We'll see.

It’s seems to be the logical landing spot due to his relationship with the Coach, but I wouldn't be surprised if the losers of the Payton / RG3 sweepstakes (aka Cleveland, Seattle, Az, or Denver) get seriously involved.

[Snacks]

It’s seems to be the logical landing spot due to his relationship with the Coach, but I wouldn't be surprised if the losers of the Payton / RG3 sweepstakes (aka Cleveland, Seattle, Az, or Denver) get seriously involved.

If Arz doesnt get Manning they will stick with Kolb they wont go after Flynn.

[spoon]

everything i read said arz is over the cap by $16 million before renegotiating their LT and before signing manning.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/if-cards-want-manning-theyll-need-to-scramble-to-create-cap-space/

Well as you stated, it has been rumored Brown is gone and that's 17 million right there. Also, they seemingly have more space bc of rollover which may have been reported wrong and we all know Kolb is gone opening up much more if Manning is going there.

It's an interesting landing spot to me for multiple reasons just like Denver. Both the organization and Mike McCarthy have a history of bringing in vet qbs late in their careers and making the needed adjustments to open up the playbook and make it work to the tune of a Super Bowl run. They also have a BEAUTIFUL new stadium, great weather, a top tier WR (if not THE best overall right now) and of course a historically bad division of late. Sure SF is MUCH improved and Seattle decent, but does anyone expect SF to repeat their 2011 season? Or actually fear Seattle? Not me in both areas.

[spoon]

can this site get any slower?!

WTF?!

:furious:

[disneyspy]

i've put this site on miserable uaser level 4,kiss my ass over the internet and i'll speed it back up,if not i'll raise it to 6

8 is so slow i call it sailor speed

[Snacks]

Well as you stated, it has been rumored Brown is gone and that's 17 million right there. Also, they seemingly have more space bc of rollover which may have been reported wrong and we all know Kolb is gone opening up much more if Manning is going there.

It's an interesting landing spot to me for multiple reasons just like Denver. Both the organization and Mike McCarthy have a history of bringing in vet qbs late in their careers and making the needed adjustments to open up the playbook and make it work to the tune of a Super Bowl run. They also have a BEAUTIFUL new stadium, great weather, a top tier WR (if not THE best overall right now) and of course a historically bad division of late. Sure SF is MUCH improved and Seattle decent, but does anyone expect SF to repeat their 2011 season? Or actually fear Seattle? Not me in both areas.

i think they will restructure Levi to lower his cap #. they cant let him go he is currently their best offensive linemen on a team with no one else on that line. Can Manning take that chance of being behind a line that bad?

I just read SF has a shot of signing him too which to me makes so much more sense then ARZ or Den. Actually imho the only team I think he should go to besides miami is SF. i think if they bring in wayne or garcon with manning sf will have a very high quality receiving core with crabtree and davis at te.

as for mia, i just read that they have a 2pm meeting with manning tomorrow but the meeting is between manning and mia hc. manning doesnt want to meet with Ross. WTF? That should mean mia is all but out. Ross and Ireland are killing this team. They need to fire this shit box GM and get a new GM in there now and let him run the team!

[spoon]

not sure how you think Denver isn't a good fit?

why?

[Snacks]

not sure how you think Denver isn't a good fit?

why?

I dont like their wrs (yes thomas has speed and with manning will be better but he isnt Fitz or Marshall), their line isnt that good, their defense played strong down the stretch but wasnt that good overall, they have an old rb who isnt a pass catching back, weather being an issue and the altitude. not to mention they just lost 3 players to suspension b/c of p.e.ds and 2 of those players are starters on the def which you would think would make your def worse not better.

and i understand we are saying its an easier div but lets be honest for how bad sd has played at times they will still be tough to beat and i dont think anyone thinks sd wont be back to top form next year. i see sd getting back to the playoffs and could go 10-6 or 11-5 next year and oak was better last year and should play better with palmer having a full camp with the team.

[spoon]

I dont like their wrs (yes thomas has speed and with manning will be better but he isnt Fitz or Marshall), their line isnt that good, their defense played strong down the stretch but wasnt that good overall, they have an old rb who isnt a pass catching back, weather being an issue and the altitude. not to mention they just lost 3 players to suspension b/c of p.e.ds and 2 of those players are starters on the def which you would think would make your def worse not better.

and i understand we are saying its an easier div but lets be honest for how bad sd has played at times they will still be tough to beat and i dont think anyone thinks sd wont be back to top form next year. i see sd getting back to the playoffs and could go 10-6 or 11-5 next year and oak was better last year and should play better with palmer having a full camp with the team.

Well put me down with SD being +-2 games from .500 AT BEST. They are going to lose V.Jackson, lost Dielman (retired and lawsuit to follow) and Castilo, losing McNeil and so much more. If they fail to sign a UFA's like Garay, Scifres and Tolbert (very unlikely), things could go to hell in a mere seconds! SD is a paper tiger until they lose this joke a of a HC and asshole GM. It's that simple.

[spoon]

And honestly, I'd take Denver's WRs over Miami's in a heartbeat...and you KNOW Wayne will be coming with Manning if there is cap room. Denver has that space available.

Am I the only one who would take Thomas over Marshall too? I don't think so, but let's hear it people. Youth, good head and crazy untapped potential versus great talent/fucked up head? It's not an easy call bc it's not like Marshall is old, but he has already been dumped with all that talent bc of his issues.

[Kevin]

As I have stated before. The Jets are more about back pages and "owning" the town than actually getting a cohesive team together. They don't check if the players fit on the team or if they have the right attitude.


They thought that twoAFC title losses could propel them over a franchise that has been more successful for the past 40yrs and before this year won a title in the past 4 yrs.

Top to bottom the franchise is a mess. You have a trustfund baby who has never had to earn anything owning the team. He doesn't understand you have to earn respect and success.

You have a glorified accountant as GM with no real knowledge of anything other than numbers.

And you have a big mouth coach who hasn't done shit and thinks he us Vince Lombardi.

Top to bottom no accountability and arrogance.

And before you say it Tenbats. Yes John Mara inherited the team and wealth from his dad. But he has been. With the team and the sport for decades before getting it.

[spoon]

As I have stated before. The Jets are more about back pages and "owning" the town than actually getting a cohesive team together. They don't check if the players fit on the team or if they have the right attitude.


They thought that twoAFC title losses could propel them over a franchise that has been more successful for the past 40yrs and before this year won a title in the past 4 yrs.

Top to bottom the franchise is a mess. You have a trustfund baby who has never had to earn anything owning the team. He doesn't understand you have to earn respect and success.

You have a glorified accountant as GM with no real knowledge of anything other than numbers.

And you have a big mouth coach who hasn't done shit and thinks he us Vince Lombardi.

Top to bottom no accountability and arrogance.

And before you say it Tenbats. Yes John Mara inherited the team and wealth from his dad. But he has been. With the team and the sport for decades before getting it.

Not sure how you constantly make this a thing bt your team and his, but even with my hate of the Jets, they are hardly this pure mess you make them out to be. Did they bite off more than they could chew with some statements and bravado over the last few years? Surely, but the team has been in the playoffs and at least near them every year since Rex came to that mess of a team. They may not have won it all, but truly making it to two AFC Championship games is pretty crazy looking at their offense and the kid running it.

I think you have to let the comparisons go before you're just as bad as those you are poking fun at.

[Kevin]

I only said Mara because I know Tenbats would have brought it up.

Otherwise I no way did I say anything about my team or compare them.

The Franchise is run by guys that shouldn't be running it.

And the Mark Sanchez treatment affirms that.

Don't put words in my mouth.

[Kevin]

And them thinking it takes two years to own a town also does

[spoon]

i don't have to put words in your mouth, you destroy the written word constantly on your own while putting plenty of team comparisons in your post

reread your own post

As I have stated before. The Jets are more about back pages and "owning" the town than actually getting a cohesive team together. They don't check if the players fit on the team or if they have the right attitude.


They thought that twoAFC title losses could propel them over a franchise that has been more successful for the past 40yrs and before this year won a title in the past 4 yrs.

Top to bottom the franchise is a mess. You have a trustfund baby who has never had to earn anything owning the team. He doesn't understand you have to earn respect and success.

You have a glorified accountant as GM with no real knowledge of anything other than numbers.

And you have a big mouth coach who hasn't done shit and thinks he us Vince Lombardi.

Top to bottom no accountability and arrogance.

And before you say it Tenbats. Yes John Mara inherited the team and wealth from his dad. But he has been. With the team and the sport for decades before getting it.

And for the record I have always agreed with most of this, just don't need it repeated every time a Jet or the org makes the news. In fact, Rex on Mike's radio show finally sounded like he got it now and was becoming more aware of what it takes to be a HC versus a DC calling all the shots and being the fattest cheerleader in the NFL.

[Kevin]

Reading my comments the 2nd time I understand how it can be taken the way you took it.

But that was not my intention

[Kevin]

I was just saying that it shows a lack of experience and arrogance to think you can make up 40yrs in two non SB winning years

[spoon]

be that as it may, the sanchez extension is comical regardless of how it plays out

i like how tenbats phrased it later once I caught up with the thread, "Vanessa Bryant apology diamond"...HA!

:lol:

[spoon]

I was just saying that it shows a lack of experience and arrogance to think you can make up 40yrs in two non DB winning years

and all I'm saying is don't turn into a typical jet fan or their coach of the past just bc you had a great season

show pride without arrogance yourself...even if the Giants earned the right comparitively

[Kevin]

and all I'm saying is don't turn into a typical jet fan or their coach of the past just bc you had a great season

show pride without arrogance yourself...even if the Giants earned the right comparitively

I admit that the Giants aren't the greatest franchise in the sport far from it.

I still have a problem with the coaching.

This team can very well not even make the playoffs next year.

They were probably the 6th best team in the playoffs.

Philly is probably winning the division next year.

They showed towards the end that all they needed was time to gel.

[spoon]

I admit that the Giants aren't the greatest franchise in the sport far from it.

I still have a problem with the coaching.

This team can very well not even make the playoffs next year.

They were probably the 6th best team in the playoffs.

Philly is probably winning the division next year.

They showed towards the end that all they needed was time to gel.

Eh, the Giants will be loose and have Cruz all year and can only upgrade at RB if you ask me with Jacobs leaving. I think they'll be plenty good, especially with both Washington and Dallas getting hit with cap violations for last year and losing space to work with now. Takes out two huge free agency player on the market overall for any player pickups throughout the league, much less helping both Philly and NYG in the process directly.

[hanso]

From what I read, they extended him but also restructured him. They freed up some cap space but the Jets are on the hook for another year more than what they were originally on for.

Basically, his old contract, Jets could cut him loose after year three of five (which we were at now) and not have a huge guaranteed money hit, now they guarantee him more money for this year and next year, and then re-evaluate again. I think, that's how i'm reading it.

Still don't understand why they just couldn't keep up the terms of his old contract and why they had to extend it when they had him for 2 years, but maybe freeing up the cap room has something to do with it,

Are there any FA's they might want to sign?

[hanso]

It’s seems to be the logical landing spot due to his relationship with the Coach, but I wouldn't be surprised if the losers of the Payton / RG3 sweepstakes (aka Cleveland, Seattle, Az, or Denver) get seriously involved.

Yep, this should turn into a bidding war on an already overpriced back up QB. If Cleveland gets Flynn that helps Mia to get Tannehill.

[hanso]

i think they will restructure Levi to lower his cap #. they cant let him go he is currently their best offensive linemen on a team with no one else on that line. Can Manning take that chance of being behind a line that bad?

I just read SF has a shot of signing him too which to me makes so much more sense then ARZ or Den. Actually imho the only team I think he should go to besides miami is SF. i think if they bring in wayne or garcon with manning sf will have a very high quality receiving core with crabtree and davis at te.

as for mia, i just read that they have a 2pm meeting with manning tomorrow but the meeting is between manning and mia hc. manning doesnt want to meet with Ross. WTF? That should mean mia is all but out. Ross and Ireland are killing this team. They need to fire this shit box GM and get a new GM in there now and let him run the team!

Heard the OC will also be there along with GM.

[Kevin]

Stephan A Smith had Adam Shefter on today and he said the Skins did not even know about the penalties until he called them to ask about it.

Now THATS a mess of a franchise.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Are there any FA's they might want to sign?

Houston just cut Eric Winston. If there's anything to solve the Wayne Hunter problem, he would be it.

[razorboy]

Houston just cut Eric Winston. If there's anything to solve the Wayne Hunter problem, he would be it.

He's a good fit for a team that relies heavily on a zone blocking scheme, but he's a sub-par pass protector and and a bad fit as a power blocking tackle. I can't imagine he'd fare well with the Jets.

[underdog]

I dont like their wrs (yes thomas has speed and with manning will be better but he isnt Fitz or Marshall)

snacks, Thomas is a fucking beast. With a good QB, he's going to be a top 3 or top 5 WR in the league.

[underdog]

Am I the only one who would take Thomas over Marshall too? I don't think so, but let's hear it people. Youth, good head and crazy untapped potential versus great talent/fucked up head? It's not an easy call bc it's not like Marshall is old, but he has already been dumped with all that talent bc of his issues.

I'm with you, but I think it's close. Thomas can turn into that receiver they thought they had when they got rid of Marshall this year.

[razorboy]

Moss agrees to one year deal with the 49ers. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/49ers-agree-to-terms-with-randy-moss/)

[Snacks]

snacks, Thomas is a fucking beast. With a good QB, he's going to be a top 3 or top 5 WR in the league.

i agree with manning he will be better but i dont think he is better then marshall. yes he had a nice avg yards per catch under tebow and we all agree tebow sucks. but i dont think we know much yet to make any statements about how he is a better #1 then Marsahall with manning or not. He still only has 54 catches in 23 games. Lets take Mia out and that comparison I would rather go to SF with Crabtree. Now he is someone who could be a top 5 wr with a qb who could throw. He got 175 catches in 42 games. Either 1 of these kids would be much better with Manning at QB but I would take Crabtree if i had a choice between the 2.

Then throw in their def, their rb, their TE and the weather I think SF would be a much better destination over Den.

[Snacks]

Moss agrees to one year deal with the 49ers. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/49ers-agree-to-terms-with-randy-moss/)

I dont know if this will make Manning want to go to SF or not. Yes if Moss plays as he should they got better but he is a head case. They probably should have waited to sign Manning or see where Manning signed before do this.

[Snacks]

so arz did just flat out released Levi Brown rather then restructures, spoon you were right. Im shocked, even though he wasnt that great he was the only o lineman worth anything. now they have 1 of if not the worst o line and it just got worse.

[Snacks]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20156608/broncos-among-teams-talking-contract-peyton-manning

Texans have now entered the race for manning. Now this is a team that shocks me although I think they will be by far the best team for him to go to. They werent even on my radar because who would think a team with a franchise QB would possible release him? If Schaub doesnt get hurt last year many believe they were the best team in the league for a large part of the season. Great def, great rb, best wr in the game, knows the div which will be easy to win because indy will suck, jax will suck and tenn is a .500 team.

Things are now getting interesting. To me the best fit for Manning would Hou out of all the teams interested.

[underdog]

Moss agrees to one year deal with the 49ers. (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/12/49ers-agree-to-terms-with-randy-moss/)

He's so fucking weird. He sat out a year, rather than play with Brady again. Then he signs with a team with Tiny Hands at QB.

NFL WRs must be the most bi-polar, un-explainable people in all of sports.

[underdog]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20156608/broncos-among-teams-talking-contract-peyton-manning

Texans have now entered the race for manning. Now this is a team that shocks me although I think they will be by far the best team for him to go to. They werent even on my radar because who would think a team with a franchise QB would possible release him? If Schaub doesnt get hurt last year many believe they were the best team in the league for a large part of the season. Great def, great rb, best wr in the game, knows the div which will be easy to win because indy will suck, jax will suck and tenn is a .500 team.

Things are now getting interesting. To me the best fit for Manning would Hou out of all the teams interested.

I'll never stop laughing if he goes to Houston, they cut Schaub and then Manning isn't able to play an entire season because HE JUST HAD HIS FUCKING NECK FUSED TOGETHER.

Schaub may be injury prone but his neck still works, I think.

[Snacks]

I'll never stop laughing if he goes to Houston, they cut Schaub and then Manning isn't able to play an entire season because HE JUST HAD HIS FUCKING NECK FUSED TOGETHER.

Schaub may be injury prone but his neck still works, I think.

that could happen and if it did that would make schaub a really valuable free agent.

[spoon]

i agree with manning he will be better but i dont think he is better then marshall. yes he had a nice avg yards per catch under tebow and we all agree tebow sucks. but i dont think we know much yet to make any statements about how he is a better #1 then Marsahall with manning or not. He still only has 54 catches in 23 games. Lets take Mia out and that comparison I would rather go to SF with Crabtree. Now he is someone who could be a top 5 wr with a qb who could throw. He got 175 catches in 42 games. Either 1 of these kids would be much better with Manning at QB but I would take Crabtree if i had a choice between the 2.

Then throw in their def, their rb, their TE and the weather I think SF would be a much better destination over Den.

I hope he goes to the damn NFC West over the AFC West in a SECOND, but Thomas v Crabtree isn't even an argument to me. Marshall can be, but I don't like either of their heads. Thomas's biggest drawback to me is his health. He's hardly been a starter yet too, so judging him on his games is just off. He's going to be a stud, especially with Manning for a few years...but with Tebow not so much.

[spoon]

I dont know if this will make Manning want to go to SF or not. Yes if Moss plays as he should they got better but he is a head case. They probably should have waited to sign Manning or see where Manning signed before do this.

From all accounts I hear they are happy and sticking with their qb. I've heard very little outside of kicking the tires with SF and Manning.

[spoon]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_20156608/broncos-among-teams-talking-contract-peyton-manning

Texans have now entered the race for manning. Now this is a team that shocks me although I think they will be by far the best team for him to go to. They werent even on my radar because who would think a team with a franchise QB would possible release him? If Schaub doesnt get hurt last year many believe they were the best team in the league for a large part of the season. Great def, great rb, best wr in the game, knows the div which will be easy to win because indy will suck, jax will suck and tenn is a .500 team.

Things are now getting interesting. To me the best fit for Manning would Hou out of all the teams interested.

Just like I said though Snacks, there is no "best fit", it's a fucking free for all and the winner will be the team that gives him the best shot in the end combined with financial gain (contract, tv & ad opps) and of course the family factor (his brother in NY and daddy's opinion/push).

I put Houston out there a long time ago as a SF like opp as Manning being the missing piece. Both have a suitable qb coming off career years, but are they good enough? And let's be honest, do you think Manning isn't thinking of one last shot at a Super Bowl? Both these teams give top shots versus the others in contention. Still, Houston could simply be hoping to drive the price up on the Titans just in case, or at least gage how serious they are by jumping in. We'll see...as I keep saying. It's a clusterfuck and ESPN loves it.

[Snacks]

From all accounts I hear they are happy and sticking with their qb. I've heard very little outside of kicking the tires with SF and Manning.

I agree and have said this all along that they seem to like Smith but he has had what 7 years already? They did great last year but could you imagine them with Manning?

[Snacks]

Just like I said though Snacks, there is no "best fit", it's a fucking free for all and the winner will be the team that gives him the best shot in the end combined with financial gain (contract, tv & ad opps) and of course the family factor (his brother in NY and daddy's opinion/push).

I put Houston out there a long time ago as a SF like opp as Manning being the missing piece. Both have a suitable qb coming off career years, but are they good enough? And let's be honest, do you think Manning isn't thinking of one last shot at a Super Bowl? Both these teams give top shots versus the others in contention. Still, Houston could simply be hoping to drive the price up on the Titans just in case, or at least gage how serious they are by jumping in. We'll see...as I keep saying. It's a clusterfuck and ESPN loves it.

I just cant see Manning continuing this drama and feeding the beast that we know as ESPN. I would think and hope he will make a decision soon. I originally thought we would know by Sunday or Monday the latest b/c free agency starts tuesday but maybe he isnt in a hurry but that will knock out some suitors. Arz needs a decision by the 17th because they arent going to cut kolb without knowing for sure they are getting manning.

[spoon]

right, that would just mean Zona is out at that point

I also don't think he'll prolong this too much, but due diligence is not a bad thing

he's been with Indy until pretty much late last week...it's not like he's been free too look that long

espn is bastardizing it, as only they know how

[PapaBear]

They are going to lose V.Jackson
I heard the Skins are looking to get him. Should I be excited?

Oh... And I'm still thirsty.

[Skellington]

I'm pretty sure they're holding on to him. They like him. A lot!

He lives next to me. I haven't seen him in a while, so i figured he is either staying in his home town or got traded off. I don't follow american football at all, but he's a pretty nice neighbor.

[ozzie]

He lives next to me. I haven't seen him in a while, so i figured he is either staying in his home town or got traded off. I don't follow american football at all, but he's a pretty nice neighbor.

That's cool.

When I moved to Cleveland as a kid, we moved in next door to Dick Ambrose, starting MLB for the Browns:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51yqEHNjHxL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

A pretty modest house out in a suburb. I have no idea what the Browns were paying their guys in the late 70's / early 80's, but it couldn't have been a helluva lot. If I wasn't told there was an NFL player living there, I never would have guessed it. But once we knew, his house was "hands off". He also had two german shepherds as a reminder in case we forgot.

The only "extravagant" thing about his life was a pretty hot wife, and he had a delorean in his garage. It was a big deal when he'd bring it out and we'd get to see the doors open.

I wasn't a Brown's fan when we moved there, but I was a huge fan by the time we left. He and some of his teammates that would speak at our football banquets and stuff were a big reason why I started following that team, and still do to this day. That 1979 "kardiac kids" team I watched that first year won me over.

He stayed in Cleveland, and became a judge. Still looks like he could kick some ass. I'd have shit if he was the judge ruling on some of the cases I've had in my life.

<img src="http://media.cleveland.com/readerrep/photo/ambrosejpg-f5de6a091bc9a548.jpg"width=300>

[Snoogans]

He lives next to me. I haven't seen him in a while, so i figured he is either staying in his home town or got traded off. I don't follow american football at all, but he's a pretty nice neighbor.

he prob only lives there for the season. he is prob home now during the offseason and why you dont see him

[cougarjake13]

Eh, the Giants will be loose and have Cruz all year and can only upgrade at RB if you ask me with Jacobs leaving. I think they'll be plenty good, especially with both Washington and Dallas getting hit with cap violations for last year and losing space to work with now. Takes out two huge free agency player on the market overall for any player pickups throughout the league, much less helping both Philly and NYG in the process directly.


We had cruz all year this year as well

[weekapaugjz]

i hope the dolphins fuck this whole thing up and don't end up with either manning or flynn.

[Crispy123]

i hope the dolphins fuck this whole thing up and don't end up with either manning or flynn.

I hope you fuck this whole thing up.

[weekapaugjz]

I hope you fuck this whole thing up.

i'm a buffalo fan, i already fucked up.

[underdog]

i'm a buffalo fan, i already fucked up.

:lol:

[sailor]

:lol:

It's funny 'cause it's true!

[weekapaugjz]

It's funny 'cause it's true!

how are those raiders doing?

[Snoogans]

how are those raiders doing?

dont feel too down bro, you got a big time haaaavaaad QB and a guy who cant catch passes when the game is within 5 points.

[weekapaugjz]

dont feel too down bro, you got a big time haaaavaaad QB and a guy who cant catch passes when the game is within 5 points.

i'm glad they re-signed johnson, but he REALLY needs to not drop passes. he had a LOT of them last year. and fitzpatrick was a turnover machine last year. if he can limit those, i will be very happy.

[Snoogans]

i'm glad they re-signed johnson, but he REALLY needs to not drop passes. he had a LOT of them last year. and fitzpatrick was a turnover machine last year. if he can limit those, i will be very happy.

i noticed johnson only dropped passes when they were REALLY important times. Otherwise he was like glue.

Also, he has alot of the Hakeem Nicks itis. which is where you catch the hardest fuckin balls possible and drop shit thats thrown right at you. Its so fuckin annoying. Manningham too

[weekapaugjz]

i noticed johnson only dropped passes when they were REALLY important times. Otherwise he was like glue.

Also, he has alot of the Hakeem Nicks itis. which is where you catch the hardest fuckin balls possible and drop shit thats thrown right at you. Its so fuckin annoying. Manningham too

that is pretty much dead on.

[weekapaugjz]

can't wait to see mario williams in a bills uniform!


yeah, right. :flush:

[sailor]

how are those raiders doing?

That's sad 'cause it's true.

[Snacks]

Mia trades Brandon Marshall to Bears for 2 3rd round picks.

WHAT? That came out of nowhere.

[underdog]

Mia trades Brandon Marshall to Bears for 2 3rd round picks.

WHAT? That came out of nowhere.

haha - that's fucking nuts. Marshall is apparently playing himself out of the league and Miami just traded themselves out of the Manning sweepstakes.

Chicago might be pretty fucking good next year, though. Especially if they land Williams, too.

[Earlshog]

haha - that's fucking nuts. Marshall is apparently playing himself out of the league and Miami just traded themselves out of the Manning sweepstakes.

Chicago might be pretty fucking good next year, though. Especially if they land Williams, too.

Chicago where WR's go to die.. haha

[weekapaugjz]

Apparantly buffalo is offering mario williams the most money than anyone. Fingers crossed, freddie!

[cougarjake13]

haha - that's fucking nuts. Marshall is apparently playing himself out of the league and Miami just traded themselves out of the Manning sweepstakes.

Chicago might be pretty fucking good next year, though. Especially if they land Williams, too.


I think someone knew they weren't getting Peyton and made the trade

Re unites cutler and b marsh so both are prob happy

[cougarjake13]

Garçon to sign with redskins

[underdog]

I think someone knew they weren't getting Peyton and made the trade

Re unites cutler and b marsh so both are prob happy

the rumor now is that Manning doesn't like Marshall. So maybe they're trying to still woo him.

[Earlshog]

haha - that's fucking nuts. Marshall is apparently playing himself out of the league and Miami just traded themselves out of the Manning sweepstakes.

Chicago might be pretty fucking good next year, though. Especially if they land Williams, too.

Maybe Manning mentioned something to Phillbin about not wanting to play with a women beating malcontent

[Earlshog]

the rumor now is that Manning doesn't like Marshall. So maybe they're trying to still woo him.

or this ha-ha

[underdog]

Maybe Manning mentioned something to Phillbin about not wanting to play with a women beating malcontent

he's never had to play with a typical, annoying WR, so maybe this was Miami's way to please Manning.

[Earlshog]

Garçon to sign with redskins

decent pick up but the Skins need a one not antoher 2

[underdog]

I fucking love this. I wish the NFL offseason was like this every year.

I also wish they'd change the trade rules and push the deadline back to week 9 or so, and we'd have some great in season trades.

[Earlshog]

he's never had to play with a typical, annoying WR, so maybe this was Miami's way to please Manning.

his receiver waited till he retired to start blasting fools in Philly.....






allegedly

[cougarjake13]

he's never had to play with a typical, annoying WR, so maybe this was Miami's way to please Manning.



And free up money for Reggie Wayne perhaps

[cougarjake13]

I fucking love this. I wish the NFL offseason was like this every year.

I also wish they'd change the trade rules and push the deadline back to week 9 or so, and we'd have some great in season trades.

X2

Never understood why it was so early
Whenever the last bye week is should also be trade deadline

[cougarjake13]

Colston re ups with the saints

[weekapaugjz]

bills currently talking with robert meachem.

williams just landed. they better fucking sign him!

[hanso]

Houston just cut Eric Winston. If there's anything to solve the Wayne Hunter problem, he would be it.

Just heard him on the radio, didn't sound like dumb jock. He will be in for a Mia visit on Wed..

[hanso]

i hope the dolphins fuck this whole thing up and don't end up with either manning or flynn.

Apparently a 2nd meeting is going on right now with all Mia. brass and Manning..and go screw. :ohmy:

[hanso]

I think someone knew they weren't getting Peyton and made the trade

Re unites cutler and b marsh so both are prob happy

It was in the works apparently. Maybe Peyton didn't want the diva who griped about Reggie Wayne possibly coming, and now maybe Reggie Wayne can end career in grand fashion with him in Mia..

(Apparently a 2nd meeting is going on right now with all Mia. brass and Manning.) or this was just Indy radio ramblings.

I thought the Marshall thing was just ramblings when I first heard it.

[Snoogans]

X2

Never understood why it was so early
Whenever the last bye week is should also be trade deadline

so the players have time to learn the playbooks and systems fully before the playoffs'

[hanso]

Meeting Between Titans And Peyton Manning Delayed Until Tomorrow

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2012/3/13/2869133/meeting-between-titans-and-peyton-manning-delayed-until-tomorrow

But there is this...who knows..

Could be they are still in talks with guard Steve Hutchinson.

[cougarjake13]

so the players have time to learn the playbooks and systems fully before the playoffs'


Last bye week was in week 9 then no byes in week 10 and a few teams in week 11

So make trade deadline week 9 or 10 that's only 3 or 4 weeks more how much difference would that be versus week 6 ?

I don't think it would be that bad

[weekapaugjz]

vincent jackson to tampa for 5 years @ 55 mil

[brettmojo]

Goodbye... Newman. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/cowboys-release-2-time-pro-bowl-cb-terence-newman-after-9-seasons-as-a-starter/2012/03/13/gIQAZ2H79R_story.html)

<article> IRVING, Texas — As expected, cornerback Terence Newman is done with the Dallas Cowboys after nine seasons as a starter.
Newman was released Tuesday, a long-anticipated move announced by the team only minutes after free agency began. The two-time Pro Bowl cornerback was scheduled to count more than $8 million against the salary cap in 2012.
</article>

[cougarjake13]

vincent jackson to tampa for 5 years @ 55 mil



Wow they actually spent money

[Snoogans]

Wow they actually spent money

they have to, there is a salary floor now

[cougarjake13]

they have to, there is a salary floor now


Thought that wasn't til 2013

[underdog]

vincent jackson to tampa for 5 years @ 55 mil

I hope this helps their QB progress. He regressed so bad this past year, but looked like a future stud the year before.

Goodbye... Newman. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/cowboys-release-2-time-pro-bowl-cb-terence-newman-after-9-seasons-as-a-starter/2012/03/13/gIQAZ2H79R_story.html)

He has to be done. He looked terrible last year.

[Snacks]

How does Garcon get more money from Wash then Colston got from the Saints? Wash also signed Eddie Royal for $6 million a year.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4945/pierre-garcon

Redskins agreed to terms with WR Pierre Garcon, formerly of the Colts, on a five-year, $42.5 million contract.
They grossly overpaid. The deal also contains $21.5 million guaranteed.

[cougarjake13]

2 mil more isn't that big a deal

[Snacks]

2 mil more isn't that big a deal

its not that true but Colston is a better wr. They way overpaid, when Indy offered 5 years $35 million it was mentioned he was nuts to turn that down and that indy offered too much to keep him. If I had a choice I would take Colston over Garcon and at less money makes it even better.

[cougarjake13]

Colston is a lil better but I'm shocked garçon went to wash but I guess he fig if I had good numbers with Collins and painter it doesn't matter whose the qb in wash

[Snacks]

Reggie Wayne signed with the colts.

Well that puts a damper on everything I was reading about Mia moving Marshall to sign Manning and Wayne.

[weekapaugjz]

matt flynn is down to cleveland and miami.

[cougarjake13]

Wow didn't see that coming ( Wayne back with Indy )

[cougarjake13]

matt flynn is down to cleveland and miami.



And I'll guess if manning picks Miami then hell go to Cleveland

I'm sure he's hoping Peyton doesn't go there id rather go to miami

[weekapaugjz]

Report: Mario Williams leaving Buffalo without signing, will visit others

lame

:wallbash:

[weekapaugjz]

robert meachem signs 4 year deal with san diego.

[cougarjake13]

Report: Mario Williams leaving Buffalo without signing, will visit others

lame

:wallbash:


Love for giants to get him but I doubt they're interested

[Snacks]

Love for giants to get him but I doubt they're interested

they cant afford him. they went in to free agency close to the cap from what they said yesterday on b&c.

[cougarjake13]

they cant afford him. they went in to free agency close to the cap from what they said yesterday on b&c.



Even with dropping jacobs and manningham?

I know manningham prob was still on rookie deal or something close but Jacobs was around 5 mil

Not much but it's something but yeh not snug to sign Mario Williams

[Snacks]

Even with dropping jacobs and manningham?

I know manningham prob was still on rookie deal or something close but Jacobs was around 5 mil

Not much but it's something but yeh not snug to sign Mario Williams

giants are about $8 million under right now without jacobs and manningham and with elis restructured deal.

http://newyork.sbnation.com/2012/3/11/2862938/nfl-salary-cap-nfl-free-agency-2012-new-york-giants-new-york-jets

[Kevin]

Even with dropping jacobs and manningham?

I know manningham prob was still on rookie deal or something close but Jacobs was around 5 mil

Not much but it's something but yeh not snug to sign Mario Williams

Where the fuck would we play Mario?

Why not have your entire defense with DEs

Fuck it.

[TripleSkeet]

Maybe this is why Miami traded Marshall....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827969b7/article/report-brandon-marshall-accused-of-hitting-woman-outside-club-?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=NFLFanzone&utm_term=%23NFLFANZONE+%23NFL

[TripleSkeet]

Also looks like the Chargers are replacing Vincent Jackson with Robert Meachem. Congrats spoony baby!!! ;)

[Snacks]

Maybe this is why Miami traded Marshall....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827969b7/article/report-brandon-marshall-accused-of-hitting-woman-outside-club-?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=NFLFanzone&utm_term=%23NFLFANZONE+%23NFL

they mentioned earlier that there was another undisclosed issue that happened recently and it might have league disciplinary actions coming so this could be said issue.

[TripleSkeet]

they mentioned earlier that there was another undisclosed issue that happened recently and it might have league disciplinary actions coming so this could be said issue.

I read earlier that enough teammates had vouched for Marshall to Manning where he wouldnt have had a problem playing with him before they decided to trade him, so yea this is probably it. Good for them though grabbing those draft picks before this shit came out.

[spoon]

How does Garcon get more money from Wash then Colston got from the Saints? Wash also signed Eddie Royal for $6 million a year.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4945/pierre-garcon

wow, way too much money for both slot type wrs

how do the redskins spend like this every f'n year too?? I mean this in the cap sense...especially with the new ruling against them & how despite this they always fucking blow too?

perplexing to say the least :wacko:

[spoon]

Wow didn't see that coming ( Wayne back with Indy )

who did!?

not me! :blink:

[spoon]

robert meachem signs 4 year deal with san diego.

I LOVE this signing!

He was just one of 50 weapons with the Saints but showed great ability. In SD, he'll get a great shot to light shit up and be a top target, if not a number #1. Even Colston doesn't get the normal amount of looks for a top target bc Brees goes all over and loved his slot guys and scat backs. In SD, Norv will make Meachem a beast...and we'll go 9-7 and lose the division and he'll get a contract extension with AJ Smith.

Though I do like them holding their ground on V Jax, bc he was an asshole in the end with the two dui's and his hold out. Fuck him. I hope he has balls tossed behind him all year in Tampa and has an awful year stat wise.

[spoon]

they mentioned earlier that there was another undisclosed issue that happened recently and it might have league disciplinary actions coming so this could be said issue.

hence part of my complete picture when choosing bt Thomas and Marshall

I just think the guy is a complete ass and every team he's been on so far seem to agree despite his talent

it's amazing how many at this position truly are fucked up conceited assholes

[Snacks]

wow, way too much money for both slot type wrs

how do the redskins spend like this every f'n year too?? I mean this in the cap sense...especially with the new ruling against them & how despite this they always fucking blow too?

perplexing to say the least :wacko:

it came out now that the Royal contract is finished and he is still talking to other teams but yes way overpaid!

[Snacks]

hence part of my complete picture when choosing bt Thomas and Marshall

I just think the guy is a complete ass and every team he's been on so far seem to agree despite his talent

it's amazing how many at this position truly are fucked up conceited assholes

Now I will finally agree that to me Mia not only isnt the top choice they should be out of it. Trading Marshall after this latest incident was probably the right move for the team. We got him for 2 2nd round picks and after 2 seasons and $11 million cap # this year I have no problem with getting 2 3rd round picks. But also not signing Wayne there is no reason to go to Mia.

I just hope after all this crap we dont sign a shitty overprices wr. I would rather them draft Blackmon from ok st but will he be there at 8? I doubt it.

[Snacks]

I said it many times maybe mia should bring back Henne and give him a shot with 2 offensive minded coaches? Seems like a lot of teams are interested in him Sea, NYJ, Jax and others. While Clev says they arent going after Flynn and Mia seems to be waiting on him as well.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

The Cleveland Plain Dealer disputes reports that the Browns have pursued free agent QB Matt Flynn.
"Reports that they're set to make offer [are] untrue," adds beat writer Mary Kay Cabot. CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman confirms the Plain Dealer report. It turns out that Flynn's market may be softer than he expected. The Browns are slow-playing the process while the Seahawks appear to be concentrating on Chad Henne. The Dolphins, still believing they have a shot at Peyton Manning, could end up bidding against themselves for Flynn.

[Earlshog]

Now I will finally agree that to me Mia not only isnt the top choice they should be out of it. Trading Marshall after this latest incident was probably the right move for the team. We got him for 2 2nd round picks and after 2 seasons and $11 million cap # this year I have no problem with getting 2 3rd round picks. But also not signing Wayne there is no reason to go to Mia.

I just hope after all this crap we dont sign a shitty overprices wr. I would rather them draft Blackmon from ok st but will he be there at 8? I doubt it.

you have to think St. Louis would snatch Blackmon up at 6 is he is there.

[cougarjake13]

you have to think St. Louis would snatch Blackmon up at 6 is he is there.



With the bucs signing v jax it's pretty much the rams unless someone trades up to Cleveland or Cleve themselves take blackmon

[Snacks]

you have to think St. Louis would snatch Blackmon up at 6 is he is there.

With the bucs signing v jax it's pretty much the rams unless someone trades up to Cleveland or Cleve themselves take blackmon

they said yesterday or 2 days ago that stl is trying to trade the #6 to go down further and get more picks and or players because they have so many gaps to fill.

[Snacks]

Wow! He is a beast but to make a WR the highest paid player in the league is crazy. What do you do when your QB because a free agent? He is going to want and expect more. They are giving him 1/6 of the teams total salary cap.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4153/calvin-johnson

Lions signed Calvin Johnson to a seven-year, $132 million extension through the 2019 season.
Megatron is on a plane headed to Detroit for the 1:00 p.m. press conference. Johnson's $18.86 million per season and a record-breaking $60 million guaranteed top Larry Fitzgerald's $16 million per and $50 million guaranteed respectively, making him easily the highest-paid player in the NFL, regardless of position

[cougarjake13]

He's worth it but not sure how they're gonna pay stafford

[underdog]

John Clayton ‏ @ClaytonESPN Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Buffalo still has Mario Williams locked in at their facility trying to convince him to be a Bill.

Still hope weeka!

[ozzie]

Jason Campbell to the Bears. I couldn't be happier for the team, or for Jason.

If they'd had him on the roster last year, they go to the playoffs. No doubt in my mind.

I hear the Browns are talking with Ben Tate. Would be another great move for the team, and for Ben. I'd love to see what he could do with more carries.

[hanso]

wow, way too much money for both slot type wrs

how do the redskins spend like this every f'n year too?? I mean this in the cap sense...especially with the new ruling against them & how despite this they always fucking blow too?

perplexing to say the least :wacko:

Was. traded away all their best picks spend away I say.

[spoon]

Jason Campbell to the Bears. I couldn't be happier for the team, or for Jason.

If they'd had him on the roster last year, they go to the playoffs. No doubt in my mind.

I hear the Browns are talking with Ben Tate. Would be another great move for the team, and for Ben. I'd love to see what he could do with more carries.

Campbell sucks

[cougarjake13]

Kyle orton signed 3 yrs with Dallas
Guess he doesn't want to start

[keithy_19]

Kyle orton signed 3 yrs with Dallas
Guess he doesn't want to start

Until Romo gets hurt.

[Snacks]

another douche gets rewarded for being a douche. He will not live up to that contract. He is a great deep threat but thats it, he cant go over the middle and when he does he gets killed. He has a bad attitude and now is 1 of the top 5 paid wrs. I think only Megatron, Fitz and V Jax make more. The guarantee is low so I gues after 2 seasons they could cut him with no problems or cap hits?! Still is alot of money for a guy who avg 60 catches and 5 tds a year.



Eagles re-signed franchise player DeSean Jackson to a five-year, $51 million contract.
The deal reportedly includes $15 million guaranteed. D-Jax had been set to make $9.4 million under the franchise tag. It's curious timing since Jackson appeared willing to play under the tag coming off his disappointing 2011 "prove it" campaign, but with the receiver market all but dried up, the Eagles are gambling a new deal will motivate a player who phoned it in at times last year. Jackson is still just 25, and has never posted fewer than 900 receiving yards in four seasons.

[Snacks]

My fav free agent signing so far. Love this kid, wanted Mia to sign him so we didnt have draft a TE. Hes big and fast for his size, has good hands and is a great blocking TE and has the talent to be a great receiving one as well.

Giants signed TE Martellus Bennett, formerly of the Cowboys, to a one-year, $2.5 million deal.
Although he's largely underachieved since being a second-round pick in 2008, Bennett was arguably the best tight end on the market, and will finally get to step out of Jason Witten's long shadow. He'll be playing for a quarterback who has always locked onto his tight ends, and will likely be the G-Men's primary pass catcher at the position with both Jake Ballard and Travis Beckum recovering from torn ACLs. Bennett might finally be in store for his long-awaited breakout. Still just 25, he's a "buy" in dynasty leagues.

[Snoogans]

My fav free agent signing so far. Love this kid, wanted Mia to sign him so we didnt have draft a TE. Hes big and fast for his size, has good hands and is a great blocking TE and has the talent to be a great receiving one as well.

i love the potential of it, however from what i remember hearing, he was a big headache in dallas. He got hurt alot, and also they said he was kind of a dick. That shit wont fly with the giants in terms of being a dick in the locker room, so maybe he will wise up.

I hope so, cause the guy looks like he could be a beast if he gets his head right

[Snacks]

i love the potential of it, however from what i remember hearing, he was a big headache in dallas. He got hurt alot, and also they said he was kind of a dick. That shit wont fly with the giants in terms of being a dick in the locker room, so maybe he will wise up.

I hope so, cause the guy looks like he could be a beast if he gets his head right

it wasnt that he was a bad seed it was more he had problems learning the nfl playbook. i hate your fucking team for singning him but i hate my team more for not even looking his way. mia signs every cowboys reject but finally 1 that is worth it we dont?! fucking hate Jeff Ireland and dont understand how this asshole still has a job as a gm in the nfl.

[spoon]

Yah he never even came CLOSE to what people made him out to be, and what I saw of him on the field surely didn't impress. A change of pace may help, but he's now been in the league for half a decade and hardly proven much speaks to why he got a light $ 1 year contract.

[Snoogans]

it wasnt that he was a bad seed it was more he had problems learning the nfl playbook. i hate your fucking team for singning him but i hate my team more for not even looking his way. mia signs every cowboys reject but finally 1 that is worth it we dont?! fucking hate Jeff Ireland and dont understand how this asshole still has a job as a gm in the nfl.

if he can come in and do his job its great for us. Manningham was a lunk head too and it worked out, so maybe. Between him, cruz, nicks, Barden if he can stay healthy and ballard, thats a pretty decent core. they need 1 RB and maybe 1 more WR incase hixon cant come back.

DRAFT SANU. YOU HAVE BIG PLAY GUYS IN NICKS AND CRUZ, YOU NEED A POSSESSION GUY. DRAFT FUCKIN SANU

[spoon]

SD solidified their O line (Gaither and Hardwick) and both are good moves.

Also added a nice run stopping LB from Baltimore which is much needed in Jarret Johnson. A touch past his prime I think, but he'll fill a big hole.

This all added to the addition of WR Meachem and FB McClain and I'm shocked at the additions and many moves by AJ Smith. Last ditch effort to save his ass...yah, that's got to be it. I fully expect a big move in here as well. Say Williams out of the blue or something like it?

[Snacks]

SD solidified their O line (Gaither and Hardwick) and both are good moves.

Also added a nice run stopping LB from Baltimore which is much needed in Jarret Johnson. A touch past his prime I think, but he'll fill a big hole.

This all added to the addition of WR Meachem and FB McClain and I'm shocked at the additions and many moves by AJ Smith. Last ditch effort to save his ass...yah, that's got to be it. I fully expect a big move in here as well. Say Williams out of the blue or something like it?

I like the Jarret Johnson and McClain signing a lot but Im not sold on Meachem. He has show flashes of greatness at times in NO but has also looked below avg at times too like he didnt even show up in some games. I think he could turn out to be a beast just as easily as an overpriced bust. I think what helps you with him is he will be a higher option then he was in NO so maybe it was that there was too many players that needed the ball there?

[spoon]

I like the Jarret Johnson and McClain signing a lot but Im not sold on Meachem. He has show flashes of greatness at times in NO but has also looked below avg at times too like he didnt even show up in some games. I think he could turn out to be a beast just as easily as an overpriced bust. I think what helps you with him is he will be a higher option then he was in NO so maybe it was that there was too many players that needed the ball there?

He was one of SOOOO many options there, and he simply was down on their depth chart bc Brees is REALLY close with Moore, and always had a kinship with slot wrs and smallish scat backs out of the backfield. In SD, I expect Meachem to get awfully close to 1000 yards and 10 tds. In fact, if healthy he should exceed both. We will see, but I think it happens. He's now the #1, and with that does come better coverage, but Rivers can hit him in stride just like Brees and he'll be the fastest guy we've had with size in a LONG time.

[spoon]

And don't underestimate the Gaither resign. After he was cut by the Chief, SD brought him in to spell a nothing short of AWFUL McNeill who was getting torched and it coincided with SD's turnaround. Rivers was getting toasted from the blind side all year up until that point, and Gaither never gave up one sack once in. He was night and day vs McNeill and if he can keep his body and mind in order (not easy), he's a HUGE upgrade. Hardwick always has been awesome for us and just a grinder/leader every team needs.

[hanso]

My fav free agent signing so far. Love this kid, wanted Mia to sign him so we didnt have draft a TE. Hes big and fast for his size, has good hands and is a great blocking TE and has the talent to be a great receiving one as well.

There is a good TE in draft (Green) slated as 5th best TE in run down. Has most of what you listed.


Mia signs a better Marshall... CB Richard Marshall helps fill the CB need. And Henne to Jags.

[TripleSkeet]

another douche gets rewarded for being a douche. He will not live up to that contract. He is a great deep threat but thats it, he cant go over the middle and when he does he gets killed. He has a bad attitude and now is 1 of the top 5 paid wrs. I think only Megatron, Fitz and V Jax make more. The guarantee is low so I gues after 2 seasons they could cut him with no problems or cap hits?! Still is alot of money for a guy who avg 60 catches and 5 tds a year.

I like it. Over the last 4 years hes put up pretty much the same numbers as Vincent Jackson and got paid just about the same.

The Eagles need that deep threat. Even when hes not catching passes hes got the safeties playing him 30 yards back. Thats a huge help for guys like Celek, Avant and Maclin.

[ozzie]

Campbell sucks

You suck.

Jason has really never had a chance to relax within a system he knows and is comfortable with. He played under 4 different coordinators at Auburn, and then rode the carousel through multiple sytems in Washington and then Oakland. He's never had decent o-lines or many weapons at either place. Especially the skins. Linemen going down weekly. Constantly shuffling and filling holes. The one thing the kid knows how to do is to learn a new system quickly. I like that he's getting a chance to work with Martz.

But more, this is a HUGE upgrade for the bears, and finally someone to push and challenge Cutler. And I can relax a little knowing that if Cutler goes down, they don't have to forfeit the rest of the season like they did last year.

[underdog]

You suck.

Jason has really never had a chance to relax within a system he knows and is comfortable with. He played under 4 different coordinators at Auburn, and then rode the carousel through multiple sytems in Washington and then Oakland. He's never had decent o-lines or many weapons at either place. Especially the skins. Linemen going down weekly. Constantly shuffling and filling holes. The one thing the kid knows how to do is to learn a new system quickly. I like that he's getting a chance to work with Martz.

But more, this is a HUGE upgrade for the bears, and finally someone to push and challenge Cutler. And I can relax a little knowing that if Cutler goes down, they don't have to forfeit the rest of the season like they did last year.

And he actually seemed settled in with the raiders, then he went and broke his collarbone.

[Earlshog]

And he actually seemed settled in with the raiders, then he went and broke his collarbone.

its true, I am surprised he wouldn't try to go to Seattle or Cleveland, etc and try and compete for a starting job.

[weekapaugjz]

SUPER MARIO!!!

1:30 press conference at 1 bills drive to announce the signing.



HOLY SHIT!

[TripleSkeet]

You suck.

Jason has really never had a chance to relax within a system he knows and is comfortable with. He played under 4 different coordinators at Auburn, and then rode the carousel through multiple sytems in Washington and then Oakland. He's never had decent o-lines or many weapons at either place. Especially the skins. Linemen going down weekly. Constantly shuffling and filling holes. The one thing the kid knows how to do is to learn a new system quickly. I like that he's getting a chance to work with Martz.

But more, this is a HUGE upgrade for the bears, and finally someone to push and challenge Cutler. And I can relax a little knowing that if Cutler goes down, they don't have to forfeit the rest of the season like they did last year.

I think we all know my opinion on this one.

[cougarjake13]

You suck.

Jason has really never had a chance to relax within a system he knows and is comfortable with. He played under 4 different coordinators at Auburn, and then rode the carousel through multiple sytems in Washington and then Oakland. He's never had decent o-lines or many weapons at either place. Especially the skins. Linemen going down weekly. Constantly shuffling and filling holes. The one thing the kid knows how to do is to learn a new system quickly. I like that he's getting a chance to work with Martz.

But more, this is a HUGE upgrade for the bears, and finally someone to push and challenge Cutler. And I can relax a little knowing that if Cutler goes down, they don't have to forfeit the rest of the season like they did last year.


I thought martz was leaving

[ozzie]

I thought martz was leaving

Holy crap, I completely forgot about that even happening... but you're right.

They promoted Mike Tice to OC after Martz "retired" in January.

[Snoogans]

I think we all know my opinion on this one.

he is half good?

[sailor]

And he actually seemed settled in with the raiders, then he went and broke his collarbone.

Yeah, I was happy with him.

[underdog]

Manning to Titans apparently about to happen.

[hanso]

And he actually seemed settled in with the raiders, then he went and broke his collarbone.

Yeah I was doing ok with him on my fantasy NFL team before he joined a multitude of other players who got hurt.


My fav free agent signing so far. Love this kid, wanted Mia to sign him so we didnt have draft a TE. Hes big and fast for his size, has good hands and is a great blocking TE and has the talent to be a great receiving one as well.
Quote:
Giants signed TE Martellus Bennett, formerly of the Cowboys, to a one-year, $2.5 million deal.


Felt this way over Laurent Robinson he never even checked back with Mia after feelers put out. WR seemed much bigger need after BM left.

They already have a serviceable TE and one up and coming speedster in Clay.




Manning to Titans apparently about to happen.

Flynnsanity can start to heat up.

[spoon]

Royal pickup for SD pretty damn solid if the price is right. REALLY needed a punt returner and slot guy, and he's ranked 3rd over the last 3 years to Hester and Edleman, and 2nd last year to only Hester!

Not to mention his value is down A LOT playing with Tebow as a route based underneath slot guy. He almost hit 1000 yards as a rookie a few years back with a mere mortal tossing him the ball, so Rivers might make him look pretty solid.

[CountryBob]

Royal pickup for SD pretty damn solid if the price is right. REALLY needed a punt returner and slot guy, and he's ranked 3rd over the last 3 years to Hester and Edleman, and 2nd last year to only Hester!

Not to mention his value is down A LOT playing with Tebow as a route based underneath slot guy. He almost hit 1000 yards as a rookie a few years back with a mere mortal tossing him the ball, so Rivers might make him look pretty solid.

I'm hating that the skins didnt get Royal - he was a beast at VA Tech and will kick ass with a Qb that like to throw.

[Earlshog]

Manning to Titans apparently about to happen.

:ohmy:

[spoon]

Manning to Titans apparently about to happen.

:ohmy:

Not so fast... (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827a5f69/article/peyton-manning-reportedly-works-out-for-49ers-harbaugh)

And finally my favorite team for Manning enters the picture. I still see plenty reasons why Elway and Denver will push hard, ultimately I believe Manning can't avoid all the pluses in SF and the shot they would have IMMEDIATELY to do something big there.

It's kind of the reverse Montana here.

[Snacks]

I hope out of the 3 he signs with Tenn.

[underdog]

Not so fast... (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827a5f69/article/peyton-manning-reportedly-works-out-for-49ers-harbaugh)

And finally my favorite team for Manning enters the picture. I still see plenty reasons why Elway and Denver will push hard, ultimately I believe Manning can't avoid all the pluses in SF and the shot they would have IMMEDIATELY to do something big there.

It's kind of the reverse Montana here.

I fucking love this whole situation, where all the experts keep guessing but they know NOTHING. It's amazing.

SF is definitely his best fit. Plus, all the other dumb things to go with it. Like playing for Brady's favorite team when he was growing up, throwing to Brady's favorite receiver, playing for Andrew Luck's college coach, possibly playing his brother for a shot at the Super Bowl, etc. It's awesome.

[spoon]

I hope out of the 3 he signs with Tenn.

SF > TENN > Denver


Obvious reasons I don't want Manning in Denver, but even in Tenn it keeps him in the conf and I'd like him to get in that HUGE QB haven now known as the NFC!

How the hell can they pick just three for the pro-bowl?

Manning, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford just for starters. Next you have Romo, Newton and the possible Vick rebound.

wow

[spoon]

I fucking love this whole situation, where all the experts keep guessing but they know NOTHING. It's amazing.



What irks me the most is that the vast majority of the NFL beat "reporters" or anchors acted like they all had the inside track on what Manning was thinking or going to do and were simply guessing with some factors in mind. Most went with the flow too, basically regurgitating what was already stated and or said previously. Very few took the wait and see approach and just gave the pros and cons of him going to any team. All they had to do was that and state MANY teams will be in and out of the conversation when someone this good hits the market in free agency in the most important position in the sport.

[spoon]

Everybody wants to be right, and in the end it's just guessing anyway. The true reporter lays it all out there and stays unbiased in his/her approach versus trying to make their theory fit the news. They report the facts and simply keep us informed w/o all the bullshit hype our sports reporting has turned into bc of espn, short attention spans and assholes like Colin and Skip all over tv and radio. Half of what they do is just fan the flames of idiot fans, and people consider it entertaining? Oof....

[CountryBob]

What irks me the most is that the vast majority of the NFL beat "reporters" or anchors acted like they all had the inside track on what Manning was thinking or going to do and were simply guessing with some factors in mind. Most went with the flow too, basically regurgitating what was already stated and or said previously. Very few took the wait and see approach and just gave the pros and cons of him going to any team. All they had to do was that and state MANY teams will be in and out of the conversation when someone this good hits the market in free agency in the most important position in the sport.

Going to San Fran would be huge - with the legacy of QB's there. I feel that Denver really wants to get Tebow out of the starter role and become a complete team again and TN is just desperate. Im in TN but I loathe the Tiatns.

[spoon]

Going to San Fran would be huge - with the legacy of QB's there. I feel that Denver really wants to get Tebow out of the starter role and become a complete team again and TN is just desperate. Im in TN but I loathe the Tiatns.

Who knows if they are willing to go full bore after Manning in the end, but I do know he changes my outlook on that team immediately. They go from a sure to drop to a clear force in the NFC. In the NFC West too, hell they were pretty much the champs in week 8 this year without him!

[spoon]

And yah, Elway and Fox truly don't want to go to war with Tebow again...especially with a guy like Manning and or Flynn out there. Both traditional pocket passers, one with amazing skills/past...the other youth and ready after years with GB and Rodgers.

At this moment you KNOW Jacksonville will give plenty to get Tebow too JUST to put people in the seats in Florida. And let's face it, they have the RB to play his game, not to mention a lack of good wrs overall. By mid-year if playing in Denver, I fully expect Tebow to be completely exposed and his value dropped significantly to say the least. In Jacksonville, 7-9 might be fine to keep his fans around and drive tebow hype down there.

[spoon]

Stanton makes it official and signs with the jets one year. Not a bad move, but nothing special as far as backups go. He does however give Sanchez a backup around his age and probably someone who will help him out learning the new system and to back him in the locker room better than the terrible old business man from Jacksonville.

Chaz Schilens signed as well by NYJ, and not a bad fill in guy and or 4th wr in passing situations. He's bigger than most realize at 6'4" and never saw much action in Oakland mainly bc suckbag Campbell was there and before that worse (mr. purple drank).

Looks like the new wideout coach with the jets is bringing in some of his old buddies from Oakland so let's see how it plays out.

[spoon]

yes, he's back

2nd coming

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/headshot/W/H/I/WHI646241.jpg

[spoon]

wow SD is more active this year than the last 5 combined!

just signed another one in a position of weakness...as bob sanders worked out last year like ice in arizona

Atari Bigby | SS Previous Team: Seattle Exp: 6 years
Analysis: Bigby agreed to a two-year contract with the Chargers, the team announced Friday. Bigby played in 15 games for the Seahawks last season after spending six years with the Packers.

[spoon]

Jeremy Shockey | TE Previous Team: Carolina Exp: 10 years
Analysis: Shockey is interested in a Big Blue reunion, the New York Daily News reported Thursday. According to The Star-Ledger, however, some in the organization "resisted the idea of his return."

Oh NY?! :wacko:

[TripleSkeet]

I said from the beginning I was shocked San Fran didnt have interest in Manning. They would be significantly better with him.

Hes Denvers only hope of getting rid of Tebow. Elway is going to push big for him. He knows if he gets Manning even the most diehard Tebow fans there cant fault him for letting him go.

Tennesse....I just dont see it. Maybe its me. I guess with CJ they wouldnt need Manning to carry the team, but I just dont see him fitting in with that offense. I just dont see him having much success there but I dont know. I could be wrong.

[cougarjake13]

Oh NY?! :wacko:



Yeh I'm guessing cause of the injuries he thinks the giants culd use him but I don't see it happening
Plus they won 2 super bowls without him and yeh he helped get to the first one during 07 reg season before getting hurt

[hanso]

I hope out of the 3 he signs with Tenn.

Yep, and Hasselbeck could head to Mia I wanted him last time when he was FA.

[weekapaugjz]

Yep, and Hasselbeck could head to Mia I wanted him last time when he was FA.

and then have his face pounded into the turf by mario williams.

[spoon]

reports out there now miami to go at Flynn real hard, and to me it will be bt them and Seattle...yet I lean Miami

[weekapaugjz]

reports out there now miami to go at Flynn real hard, and to me it will be bt them and Seattle...yet I lean Miami

another potential victim.

[hanso]

Read last night that Sea. has almost 10x the cap room to get Flynn.

That don't look good for Mia..

[hanso]

and then have his face pounded into the turf by mario williams.

It could happen... after he with Mia throws three TD's on Buf's crap secondary...ba ha ha!

[weekapaugjz]

It could happen... after he with Mia throws three TD's on Buf's crap secondary...ba ha ha!

it's because they didn't have a pass rush before. mario williams added to marcel dareus and kyle williams is a very strong front. opposing qbs won't have nearly enough time to pick apart db. plus, buffalo db isn't terrible to begin with.

[spoon]

and then have his face pounded into the turf by mario williams.

that's ok, he'll also throw 5 tds against that awful d/secondary...especially in the red zone!

[spoon]

it's because they didn't have a pass rush before. mario williams added to marcel dareus and kyle williams is a very strong front. opposing qbs won't have nearly enough time to pick apart db. plus, buffalo db isn't terrible to begin with.

in all seriousness, it really isn't...except in the red zone

[weekapaugjz]

in all seriousness, it really isn't...except in the red zone

it's because their pass rush was sooo bad. there was no edge presence. kyle williams has been a tank on the inside for the last several years. dareus shows promise of being a STUD nt. add an mario on the outside. give any qb an extra half second they will find an open guy. with that front, they won't have that time.

[spoon]

trust me I noticed myself and it's completely true

SD actually suffered this in 2011 vs 2010 as well, just not as badly as Buf seemingly

I have a few Buf fan friends and I see way too many of their games, at least now they may be able to go longer than the first qtr of the year competitively. I have NE, NYJ and not as much with Miami, but DEFINITELY would pull for Buf in that division just to smite the others. I can wallow in Snack's tears too if you just destroy their new toy if they land Flynn!

In summation, go Bills!

[weekapaugjz]

In summation, go Bills!

:smoke:

snacks crying is cool, snacks mom crying...priceless.

[Snacks]

reports out there now miami to go at Flynn real hard, and to me it will be bt them and Seattle...yet I lean Miami

reports are sea offered 2 years $12 million and miami offered 5 years $40 million. they said during reports they feel miami is low balling because they know he wants to play for his old oc. how is that low balling? he hasnt had as much interest as they thought. when i heard his offer from sea i was hoping mia offered no more then $7 million per year. Hes getting $8 he should be happy!

[Snacks]

trust me I noticed myself and it's completely true

SD actually suffered this in 2011 vs 2010 as well, just not as badly as Buf seemingly

I have a few Buf fan friends and I see way too many of their games, at least now they may be able to go longer than the first qtr of the year competitively. I have NE, NYJ and not as much with Miami, but DEFINITELY would pull for Buf in that division just to smite the others. I can wallow in Snack's tears too if you just destroy their new toy if they land Flynn!

In summation, go Bills!

I said it to you before Im not huge on Flynn. I hope if we get him it works out and the fact that his oc is the head coach is the best situation for both us and him. But I would rather have brought back Henne and seen what he could do. Henne had more interest then Flynn. Sea, NYJ, KC, Jax and 1 more I cant remember. Flynn only had Sea and Miami. Clev didnt even kick the tires.

[Snacks]

:smoke:

snacks crying is cool, snacks mom crying...priceless.

You better watch out shes old school Italian she will get the wooden spoon and put a hurting on you!

[cougarjake13]

:smoke:

snacks crying is cool, snacks mom crying...priceless.



Who died and told his his mom ?

[TripleSkeet]

I said it to you before Im not huge on Flynn. I hope if we get him it works out and the fact that his oc is the head coach is the best situation for both us and him. But I would rather have brought back Henne and seen what he could do. Henne had more interest then Flynn. Sea, NYJ, KC, Jax and 1 more I cant remember. Flynn only had Sea and Miami. Clev didnt even kick the tires.

If Denver lands Manning maybe Miami can trade for Tebow. :thumbup:

[hanso]

reports are sea offered 2 years $12 million and miami offered 5 years $40 million. they said during reports they feel miami is low balling because they know he wants to play for his old oc. how is that low balling? he hasnt had as much interest as they thought. when i heard his offer from sea i was hoping mia offered no more then $7 million per year. Hes getting $8 he should be happy!

Maybe an initial (lowball) offer was before he came in today. They must have said the Phins would talk it over or Flynn wouldn't have came cross country.
(didn't see any offers made in news though)

I said it to you before Im not huge on Flynn. I hope if we get him it works out and the fact that his oc is the head coach is the best situation for both us and him. But I would rather have brought back Henne and seen what he could do. Henne had more interest then Flynn. Sea, NYJ, KC, Jax and 1 more I cant remember. Flynn only had Sea and Miami. Clev didnt even kick the tires.

I hope if we get him it works out also, and they do run a west coast like they say. Not say it then don't.
(Flynn is said to know the system the new HC wants in place)

St. Louis Rams Sign Kendall Langford
He is the only Def lineman let go everyone else in place (3rd Vs run last season)

[hanso]

http://gifsoup.com/view7/2956444/juke-o.gif

New system look something like this. That is Bess but Big Play Clay has skills! And Gates is even faster.

[cougarjake13]

If Denver lands Manning maybe Miami can trade for Tebow. :thumbup:


I know some have speculated that if he goes to Denver they'd keep Tebow as a back up to learn from Peyton but there's no way he's gonna sit behind Peyton for the next 3-5 years while it would be good for him to sit behind him for a year or 2 at most no way he's waiting till Peyton retires

[Snoogans]

If Denver lands Manning maybe Miami can trade for Tebow. :thumbup:

they are sayin Jax actually already called them

[spoon]

I said it to you before Im not huge on Flynn. I hope if we get him it works out and the fact that his oc is the head coach is the best situation for both us and him. But I would rather have brought back Henne and seen what he could do. Henne had more interest then Flynn. Sea, NYJ, KC, Jax and 1 more I cant remember. Flynn only had Sea and Miami. Clev didnt even kick the tires.

I'd call it the Kolb effect (lack of Flynn interest).

[spoon]

You better watch out shes old school Italian she will get the wooden spoon and put a hurting on you!

My second cousin!?

[spoon]

I know some have speculated that if he goes to Denver they'd keep Tebow as a back up to learn from Peyton but there's no way he's gonna sit behind Peyton for the next 3-5 years while it would be good for him to sit behind him for a year or 2 at most no way he's waiting till Peyton retires

not to mention Tebow will NEVER be able to do what Manning can teach him

also, Manning's backups never seem to do shit so I'm of the belief he not only doesn't work with them much, he couldn't give a shit. some qbs work and teach their backups, Manning seemingly has never made an impact no matter how bad his backup has been

[TripleSkeet]

I know some have speculated that if he goes to Denver they'd keep Tebow as a back up to learn from Peyton but there's no way he's gonna sit behind Peyton for the next 3-5 years while it would be good for him to sit behind him for a year or 2 at most no way he's waiting till Peyton retires

Not to mention if Denver has any kind of slow start the fans their will be calling to put Tebow in every other game. John Elway does not want that. He would trade him immediately just so he wouldnt have to deal with that shit every week. You can tell he wants to be rid of Tebow, but unless he gets Manning theres no way to do that without the Bronco fanbase calling for his head.

[cougarjake13]

not to mention Tebow will NEVER be able to do what Manning can teach him

also, Manning's backups never seem to do shit so I'm of the belief he not only doesn't work with them much, he couldn't give a shit. some qbs work and teach their backups, Manning seemingly has never made an impact no matter how bad his backup has been

Well til this season he never missed games so I don't think they put much stock in who the back up was
That's why the picked guys like sorgi and painter who knew they'd never see an nfl field and wuld be ok with that

[Snacks]

If Denver lands Manning maybe Miami can trade for Tebow. :thumbup:

if manning going to denver made this come true i would no longer be the manning fan that i am. i will hate him for making this situation come true. the fucked up thing is i wouldnt be surprised b/c Ross is a name/celeb whore and would do it just for the pub it would get even though it would be a terrible move for the team. Jax has said they wouldnt be interested so you know Elway would call mia.

[hanso]

Woke up a Lil hype caught some Flynnsanity keep checking for updates.

:unsure:

Snacks where did you hear abount contract $ offer numbers?





On yahoo sports radio now..

Tebow to Pats for Belichick gimmick play angle.
Chris Chase | Shutdown Corner

[Snacks]

Woke up a Lil hype caught some Flynnsanity keep checking for updates.

:unsure:

Snacks where did you hear abount contract $ offer numbers?

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

An associate of Matt Flynn acknowledges to the Miami Herald that the free agent could sign with Seattle before leaving for his Dolphins visit.
According to SI.com's Peter King, the Seahawks are "serious" about Flynn after losing out on Peyton Manning, Chad Henne, and even bridge QBs such as Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell. Seattle would have to make a huge offer and the promise of a starting job to keep Flynn from flying to Miami. ESPN's John Clayton suggested Thursday that Seattle might only offer a deal in the range of two years and $12 million compared to a $40 million deal over five years from the Dolphins.

[hanso]

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/4949/matt-flynn

Ok TY.

Just don't see this with the 4-5 mil cap room Mia has left however.
If they count what Kendall Langford made and replace him within, it still won't be much higher.

[Snacks]

Ok TY.

Just don't see this with the 4-5 mil cap room Mia has left however.
If they count what Kendall Langford made and replace him within, it still won't be much higher.

they have ways to make the cap # lower. Even if they give him $8 million per year with bonuses or the way they word it im sure they can easily fit his cap # around that $5 million if thats all they have left in cap space. I dont understand how they have so little? They saved like $10 or $12 million of cap space by trading marshall.

[hanso]

they have ways to make the cap # lower. Even if they give him $8 million per year with bonuses or the way they word it im sure they can easily fit his cap # around that $5 million if thats all they have left in cap space. I dont understand how they have so little? They saved like $10 or $12 million of cap space by trading marshall.

That's what I thought when I read it the other night. Paul Soliai signed for the most then there was at least a handfull of others for less.

[spoon]

Manningham to the Niners, Lloyd & Gonzalez to the Pats...Surely the wideout situation on both teams just got better and one still needs a real qb? Hmmmmm.

[hanso]

Alex Smith is in for vist today with Mia.

[hanso]

Payton is a dummy if he don't go to SF, and he is a bum if he don't get to the SB.

[Snacks]

This would be so great if this happened. I dont want him in Miami at all but SF needs him if Manning doesnt sign with them. I still think out of the 3 teams hes going to Tenn but at this point nothing surprises me. Whats the situation with Hasselback? Is he still under contract with Tenn, are they going to cut him, any rumors of where he will go if Manning goes to Tenn?

The Sacramento Bee reports that the Seahawks are scheduled to host free agent Alex Smith after his Sunday meeting with the Dolphins.
Perhaps most interestingly from the Bee's report is the fact multiple sources tell beat writer Matt Barrows that Smith is "upset" with the 49ers for their pursuit of Peyton Manning, and there is a "growing belief" Smith might not return to San Francisco regardless of Manning's whereabouts. Smith is also unhappy with his agents, who rep both him and Manning, and the San Francisco Chronicle has reported Smith is considering firing CAA. In 2011, the Niners did everything in their power to minimize Smith's impact on games, consistently keeping his pass attempts totals low and beating opponents with running game and defense. Clearly, they're not going to go out of their way to keep him.

[Snacks]

I knew Flynn wasnt getting Kolb kind of money ( 6 years $65 million) and to be honest I have said all along I really didnt want him. My only problem now is, there is no one left to get that I do want. I say fuck it start the rookie from Delaware and see what happens. If he sucks then mia will suck and we can draft Barkley next year!

Seahawks signed QB Matt Flynn to three-year, $26 million deal.
The deal includes $10 million guaranteed. It's $2 million less than Kevin Kolb got from the Cardinals last summer. The second best quarterback on the market may have been hoping for more, but it's an impressive haul for a former seventh-round pick who's attempted all of 132 career passes. It's certainly a gamble for the Seahawks, but one worth taking after their quarterback-duo of Tarvaris Jackson and Charlie Whitehurst effectively killed any real shot they had of making the playoffs in 2011. The Dolphins are now left to woo David Garrard and Alex Smith

[hanso]

This would be so great if this happened. I dont want him in Miami at all but SF needs him if Manning doesnt sign with them. I still think out of the 3 teams hes going to Tenn but at this point nothing surprises me. Whats the situation with Hasselback? Is he still under contract with Tenn, are they going to cut him, any rumors of where he will go if Manning goes to Tenn?

Heard that last year he was FA and didn't want to come. So he could have had more than a year contract or still dosn't want to come.

Bums me out that Flynn new the system HC wants best. However there are a few QB's in the draft that know it, and Smith could learn it from what I hear.

Dolphins are busy making a super sized chair to have David Garrard come into FO on Mon..

[Snacks]

Heard that last year he was FA and didn't want to come. So he could have had more than a year contract or still dosn't want to come.

Bums me out that Flynn new the system HC wants best. However there are a few QB's in the draft that know it, and Smith could learn it from what I hear.

Dolphins are busy making a super sized chair to have David Garrard come into FO on Mon..

Im not talking about last year and last year we didnt offer him money (i dont think we did). Im talking about now, how come no one has mentioned his name at all during this Manning situation? If Manning signs with Tenn they have to release him so he would be worth looking at as a stop gap for some teams.

As for Flynn, I dont think Miami really wanted him. If they did dont you think they would have offered more? A lot of people are saying Miami lost out and some have said maybe they didnt lose maybe they chose not to overspend or go all in for Flynn because the HC knows hes not worth it? I dont know, to me Flynn seems to be more media hype because of 1 game then a top free agent QB we were told he was. All along we were told there was going to be this huge market for him that GB was going to franchise him to trade him. They backed off because they obviously knew there wasnt a market for him and they couldnt chance paying a back up $14 million for 1 year. Then we were told all these teams that would be interested. Turns out only 2 even talked to him and they waited a full week into free agency. Im sure some of that had to do with Mannings situation but no teams really seemed to be in a hurry to do anything with him. Now 11 days after free agency he gets a 3 year deal when we heard 5 and 6 years from many in the media? I heard before that Sea let Mia make an offer and they topped it. I would love to know what Mia offered because that report of 5 years and $40 million was obviously not true because he would never take $14 million less and now pay taxes to go somewhere else.

[Snacks]

Even less then originally reported. I really do believe Miami didnt want him. There even saying that Sea hasnt given him the starting QB job either that its a competition between him and Tavaras Jackson (who sucks).

The base value of Matt Flynn's three-year contract in Seattle is only $19 million, with $10 million guaranteed.
The initial Flynn report claimed he received a three-year, $26 million deal. Per the Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel, however, Flynn's base contract is just $19 million with $5 million more available through incentives. It appears the remaining $2 million could be had via "unlikely to be earned" incentives. Either way, it's a much more team-friendly deal than the Cardinals gave Kevin Kolb last offseason. Even if the full "guarantee" is only $2 million less. If both Flynn and Kolb emerged as viable starting quarterbacks, the Seahawks would be paying Flynn much less than the Cardinals would for Kolb.

[spoon]

the guy just got a pretty nice contract based on a very limited sample size so I'm not sure where all your take is coming from

GB could have franchised him easily and move him to quite a few teams but chose not to as per many press releases saying he deserves his time to choose himself and it's not the way GB operates. They loved the guy and wished him well, and your take is making HUGE leaps now bc he signed elsewhere? I know you mentioned you didn't want him in Miami, but to me he's got a nice look to him to be a mid-level qb to make most teams respectable. He's not Rodgers, but can be the next best thing to Hasselbeck in Seattle or better? We'll see, but guess where Seattle got Matt H from too?

Same path my friends.