2012 NFL Off Season Discussion Thread

[Snacks]

It's not having it both ways, it's talking about separate games. You want to mother Marino's babies but you'd still admit he had poor games even while you're talking up how great you think he is. That's not having it both ways either.

WHAT? Are you trying to compare Marino who like any QB has a few bad games in their career to Tebow who every game he has had is bad except the last 5 mins when defenses alter how they play? You can talk up how great Marino is because he was an all time great, you cant mention Tebow even in the same sentence with Sanchez let alone any of the all time greats. Sanchez is a better QB then Tebow but his own organisation just made it more difficult for him to grow when he now has to compete with fans who will want Tebow not for football reasons but because they like him for other reasons. No one with any knowledge of football wants him or thinks he should start. The only ones wanting this are those who like him for his religious beliefs, those that like him as a man and those assholes who only want him to play because others dont like it (which is a childish reason)! Most people that dont like him dont hate him because of his religious views that just adds to some of it. The main reason people dont like him is he isnt a good QB, thats it and cant be argued and most importantly is a good reason to not want to see him play.

[sailor]

No, I'm not comparing him to marino. That would be silly. I'm just saying its possible to look at different games and point out different things from them and it's not having it both ways. We were talking about a stretch of three games to end the season. That's all I was talking about. And you're REALLY obsessed with his religious beliefs. I don't share them, but it's nothing to get pissy over. Constantly.

[hanso]

Also this idea that Tebow only won because of his defense is equally as silly.

Every QB that wins does so in some part because of their defense.

Again I'm not saying that Tebow's good or even decent but trying to marginalize his stats without applying that same logic to every QB is just plain inconsistent.

Think that Den Def. was around 20th and the way Den Off. played would have aided them if anything.

I see these two teams and Qb's just about equally. And if given a fair shot Tebow could very well beat out Sanchez.

And while trying to ascertain why Tebow might have made the choice of teams, (imho) this might be why. If that's how it did happen.

[hanso]

No, I'm not comparing him to marino. That would be silly. I'm just saying its possible to look at different games and point out different things from them and it's not having it both ways. We were talking about a stretch of three games to end the season. That's all I was talking about. And you're REALLY obsessed with his religious beliefs. I don't share them, but it's nothing to get pissy over. Constantly.

Funny how he put down Den. when Manning was picking teams but now he builds them up to bash Teabow.

[Snacks]

Funny how he put down Den. when Manning was picking teams but now he builds them up to bash Teabow.

No wrong. Im bashing Den as a team for Manning because they aren't that good. They went 8-8 last year and had a 3 way tie in that division. They were shit this past season and backed their way into the playoffs. They won 7 games with 4th q come back wins. Their def ended around 20th but played very well the second half but their def isnt top notch thats why I was surprised he picked them especially over teams that had much better defenses. I also said that Manning picking them was bad because their def now got even worse because since the season ended they lost 2 starters to suspension. He makes any offense better so why would he pick a team that has a not so good def when he cant help them on def?

Im being very consistent in this argument. Denver was shit last year probably was a 4-12 or 6-10 team last season but their defense played well the 2nd half of the season. So Manning picked a team that was avg and just got worse before he signed there. That argument goes hand in hand together and doesn't change the fact that Tebow sucks and cant throw!

[Snacks]

Think that Den Def. was around 20th and the way Den Off. played would have aided them if anything.

I see these two teams and Qb's just about equally. And if given a fair shot Tebow could very well beat out Sanchez.

And while trying to ascertain why Tebow might have made the choice of teams, (imho) this might be why. If that's how it did happen.

how does den offense going 3 and out aid them? having your def on the field often and never getting longer breaks and not scoring on offense never aids your defense unless something has changed.

Tebow didnt even beat out Orton he became the starter because of fan support and the team starting off slow. Every week Elway and Fox wanted to go away from Tebow but they felt they couldnt. Singing Manning was the only way Elway could get rid of Tebow and not suffer from his fanbase. Nt because Tebow is a good QB but because he has lots of fans that like him for who he is not how he plays. Trust me, the entire org is happy Tebow is gone.

[TripleSkeet]

WHAT? Are you trying to compare Marino who like any QB has a few bad games in their career to Tebow who every game he has had is bad except the last 5 mins when defenses alter how they play? You can talk up how great Marino is because he was an all time great, you cant mention Tebow even in the same sentence with Sanchez let alone any of the all time greats. Sanchez is a better QB then Tebow but his own organisation just made it more difficult for him to grow when he now has to compete with fans who will want Tebow not for football reasons but because they like him for other reasons. No one with any knowledge of football wants him or thinks he should start. The only ones wanting this are those who like him for his religious beliefs, those that like him as a man and those assholes who only want him to play because others dont like it (which is a childish reason)! Most people that dont like him dont hate him because of his religious views that just adds to some of it. The main reason people dont like him is he isnt a good QB, thats it and cant be argued and most importantly is a good reason to not want to see him play.

Im not gonna lie....that right there is me. :lol:

[sailor]

Im not gonna lie....that right there is me. :lol:

Shit, I stopped reading and missed that gem. I'm in that same duck boat with you on that one.

[TripleSkeet]

No, I'm not comparing him to marino. That would be silly. I'm just saying its possible to look at different games and point out different things from them and it's not having it both ways. We were talking about a stretch of three games to end the season. That's all I was talking about. And you're REALLY obsessed with his religious beliefs. I don't share them, but it's nothing to get pissy over. Constantly.

Comparing Tebow to Marino is just silly. Tebow is obviously a winner.

[Tenbatsuzen]

you are aware that tebow had the most interceptions of any QB in ratio that were cause of badly thrown balls? I didnt even know they had that stat but according to SC yesterday, tebow was actually a fuckin TERRIBLE thrower of the ball.

Manipulated stat. His attempts were so low, of course any INTs would blow the ratio out of the water.

I like him because he pisses people off so badly. Ill root for him if he starts at all this year. Ill be honest, if my team had a QB like Sanchez, David Garrard, Rex Grossman or Jason Campbell Id be happy about scoring Tebow. Because your QB already sucks, at least this kid brings this intangible where he never seems to be out of a game.

But I wouldnt want him if I have a QB like Stafford, Vick, Rivers etc.

This. I've said before Sanchez is an average at best quarterback and I've gotten KILLED for it here. So the Jets bring in someone different with a different skill set and suddenly everyone's like "OH SANCHEZ IS A GOOD QB" or some bullshit like that.

Whatever.

That said, I had a thought.

Goal line stand, Pitt-NYJ, AFC Championship game. Who do you want in that spot... Sanchez, or Tebow?

I know my answer.

And that's why Tebow is here.

[hanso]

They jumped the gun on extending Sanchez there was no reason to do it all let one so quick

Maybe they'll trade Sanchez to Miami haha

Please don't say that.

[hanso]

Manipulated stat. His attempts were so low, of course any INTs would blow the ratio out of the water.



This. I've said before Sanchez is an average at best quarterback and I've gotten KILLED for it here. So the Jets bring in someone different with a different skill set and suddenly everyone's like "OH SANCHEZ IS A GOOD QB" or some bullshit like that.

Whatever.

That said, I had a thought.

Goal line stand, Pitt-NYJ, AFC Championship game. Who do you want in that spot... Sanchez, or Tebow?

I know my answer.

And that's why Tebow is here.

A run by Tebow up the gut. I saw a replay that's how they beat Mia.

[Snoogans]

I agree you cant have it both ways. I also feel that not having it both ways means you give him credit for putting up over 300 yards and beating Pitt in the playoffs. Something that MIGHTILY fucking impressed me.


Personally I determine success by wins. In my eyes, right now hes a successful starting NFL QB. The problem is, if you dont start putting up some kind of numbers, eventually the league figures you out and youre not gonna put those wins up consistently. But right now hes a winner in my book.

As far as Sanchez goes, I think its tough to go to back to back AFC title games and he deserves some credit, but you do also have to look at what else the team had when he went. Funny enough that was my same argument with McNabb when everyone would throw his NFC Championship game appearances in my face when I said he wasnt that good.

his career record is 8-6. Its winning, but lets not act like the guy is a winner when his current starting record would barely get you into the playoff hunt

[Snoogans]

Manipulated stat. His attempts were so low, of course any INTs would blow the ratio out of the water.




no, you missed what i meant. It was by ratio. Meaning of all QBs in the NFL, tebow had the highest % of INTs that were deemed his fault by this new fangled stat thing. Its not cause he didnt throw many passes. its specifically about his interceptions and how those balls were thrown

[Tenbatsuzen]

A run by Tebow up the gut. I saw a replay that's how they beat Mia.

Even if Schotty was as brain dead to call three passes again, Tebow would see nothing is open and take the ball and run. He's not afraid to get hit. Tebow sees a broken play and TRIES to make something of it. Sanchez would slide like most QBs would/should.

Yes, I'm saying Tebow should sacrifice himself. What?

[Tenbatsuzen]

What annoys me right now is that Reebok is laughing it's way to the bank with a little extra coin on Manning and Tebow jersey sales until their contract expires before the draft.

Of course, seeing some of the AWFUL Jerseys Nike has made in the college ranks, I hope to god they don't make their way up here.

[spoon]

how great would it be if Tebow tweeted back

"I am against birth control but going to make an exception and pick up some Trojans for my new moulinyan db."

i would have been a fan if he was that ballsy

[spoon]

im not as high on luck as most people seem to be. I dont think he is gonna be a bum but i dont think he is gonna be some monster either.

Although, I thought Eli would be a fuckin bum and i thought McPhearson had a shot to be pretty good so. Yea

But just from watchin, as much as griffin can run, he seemed like he didnt want to unless he had to. he looked to me like he wanted to play QB. I dont know, but i would take RG if I was the GM.

I wouldn't call that surprising, as you definitely have a tendency to lean toward the more athletic qb if the talent overall is close or even somewhat close.

stand up mentioning your own miss on elite qb mcP, but on this one I don't know yet

I think both will be good, but not sick. Yet I don't watch a ton of college and am coming from a weak point of reference, but solid football foundation still. I need to see more in pre/early season to fully make my call.

[spoon]

Isnt he basically Cedric benson ? So they're gonna have 2 of the same ? Why not sign Brandon Jacobs as well


Unless bensons gone

gone as someone else said, and benson had 5 fumbles in 2 games at one point last year I believe, BJGE has none in 5 years.

and BJGE never got the ball too much even being the #1 in NE, a pass dominated attack

he will be/is a great fit in Cincy, and surely a better team and overall guy than Benson

never made trouble even when dicked around as NE's RB for years now.

[spoon]

I... I got nothing. I'm fucking DUMBFOUNDED.

Check this shit out:

The Jets had to know that once Peyton said no to them that him going to Denver was a distinct possibility AND that Tebow would be on the market.

So why make a big deal of extending Sanchez and not explaining the deal fully? It was more like an extend-a-restructure, with some more guaranteed money and stuff.

I like Tebow a lot. And I hope him lurking will light a fire under Sanchez' ass. But it won't. And it'll ust turn to stupidity.

Oh how I love that the Tebow circus you defended all year has come to your team! It's fucking poetic to say the least. Now the constant media coverage, calling for Sanchez's head at every bad play/skipped or intercepted pass and of course, questions for and about tebow all day and every week even if he didn't even hold the fucking clip board. This is HILARIOUS.

It's the sport of kings, better than diamond rings...

FOOTBALL!

WILDCATs!

FOOTBALL!

WILDCATs!


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[spoon]

i thought his issue sounded more like the sanchez deal and THEN the trade, not just the trade aspect.

no no, sanchez only restructures for his team, not himself...so this HAS to be a great deal for the Jets

:lol:

[epo]

I've said before Sanchez is an average at best quarterback and I've gotten KILLED for it here. So the Jets bring in someone different with a different skill set and suddenly everyone's like "OH SANCHEZ IS A GOOD QB" or some bullshit like that.


Here's an answer: You now have two shitty QBs instead of one.

Enjoy the worst QB controversy of all-time.

[spoon]

I hated, hated, hated Tebow when he played at Florida. I wished him dead every week.
But, once he was drafted (should have been a 6th round pick at best) he kinda grew on me and I found a respect for him that I didnt have before. That kid has the heart of a lion and is a winner. He wont quit or not give 100% - no matter what. He stands firm on his beliefs (that most of the world hate him for and make fun of him constantly) and I appreciate that.

I will admit that I dont think that he is a NFL QB - but a specialist. Short yardage situations - he will own it. He will burn the other team at least once a game by throwing the ball when they have 10 in the box to stop the run. He can be an asset.

Now, I dont want him or what he brings on my team (Go Skins!) but I really do feel that once we are deep into the season, he will have won over most of the nay sayers with his performance on the field.

I truly want this guy to be successful - just for the reason that he is not backing down to the assholes that condem him for his beliefs. But I would be so disgusted if my Skins would have acquired him - so I know what most of you jet fans are feeling. Give it a year and see what happens - I predict it will be positive.

most of the world hates him bc of his beliefs?! what?

no, it's the opposite, as his beliefs are the only reason some root for him, probably yourself included.

Let me guess, you are at least some form of christian? No assholes have ever "condemed him for his beliefs". Why would they? This is complete tripe. People get on him for his displays, constant messaging and turning everything into God and his will.

If it was just about standing on belief and making displays, would you back and root for a kid of Muslim faith in the same fashion? Do you back other outright religious displays in sports when it isn't so common a belief, and has pat robertson ever stood up for a simple trade of a player as being mistreated...er treated shabbily bc of the goodness in his heart? If you can't see why people get annoyed by that, tied to the over the fucking top media coverage of a guy who can't throw anything but a backyard pass down the sidelines to a streaking receiver, I have nothing for you. :wallbash:

[spoon]

This isn't true at all.

I like the guy because I liked him in college. I don't care about his beliefs. Sure it's great that he does good and all that but so do a lot of players.

I know he'll never be a great player but that doesn't mean I have to hate him.

On the flipside I have to hear how good Sanchez is because he " took them to 2 AFC championship Games " and he's the prototypical pro QB.

So I'm supposed to like QBs, even if they suck, just because they throw the ball w/ a better motion than another guy ?

Not to blend topics but living in the NY area all I hear every day during baseball season is how Jeter " does it right " and is such a great person because he doesn't get in trouble when the fact is there are 600+ other MLB players that " do it right " and by doing it right I mean living like a civilized human being like most of us.

If you buy into that Jeter crap and then mock Tebow for the same thing then you are a contradication.

TERRIBLE comparison bc fucking Jeter was a good player and helped NYY win how many ws titles while the other guy has trouble throwing a simply 10 yard out to wideout or anyone underneath, much less make a fucking read. Also, Jeter doesn't shove religion of ANY kind down my fucking throat, and isn't some saint or even try to elude to the fact he is. He's respected for being a teammate, player and playing hard. I fucking HATE the guy, but this thing is comical at best. And for the record, plenty rip the guy too...as I did/do with his handling of that 3k hit and the poor fat slob that caught it.

[spoon]

You must listen to Boomer and Carton because Carton is the only person I ever heard talk about how good Sanchez is and always throws out the back to back afc title games. Sanchez isnt a good QB he was 5th lowest ranked last year but he was still better then Tebow who was the 3rd worst in the entire league. Only Painter and I think the rookie from Jax were worse. Thankfully I only listen to B & C once or twice a month for a few mins because it becomes unbearable.

The funny thing is I actually liked Tebow his first 2 or 3 years in College and was all in for him winning the Heisman his soph year when most said he shouldn't or wont because sophomores cant or shouldn't be allowed to or whatever. He did and was the 1st and I was happy for him. But then it just didnt stop with all the religious crap. I have no problem with his beliefs and think he has every right to have them and live how he chooses. My problem is how he throws it in everyone's face. If he were Muslim all of you that like him would now hate him. So hes famous and liked not because hes a good NFL QB but because hes a religious nut. If an antheist who is a good person mentioned how there was no god every day he would get killed by the media even if he did everything right off the field. When watching the Pat Tillman story all these people who had no relationship with Pat spoke at his memorial and the family had no say. They are a great family with zero religious beliefs and have done and lost more for this country then Tim Tebow ever has. People spoke about god and religion at his service when he wanted none of that. His brother finally spoke and said...

"Thanks Pat. [toasting him with a glass of Guiness beer] I didn't write shit because I'm not a writer. I'm not just going to sit here and break down on you. But thanks for coming. Pat's a fucking champion and always will be. Just make no mistake, he'd want me to say this: He's not with God. He's fucking dead. He's not religious. So, thanks for your thoughts, but he's fucking dead."

His brother and family got so much negative press and people didnt like it. It was their fucking family members funeral sorry but they are a huge demographic (non believers) in this country and have the right to not play into others beliefs. Atheist and agnostic (No Religion) people are actually the 2nd largest group in this country. Christians are #1 with 76% of the U.S. population, None or No religious beliefs 15%, then those who didnt know how to answer the question at 5.2%, Muslims under 1% and Jewish 1.2 % yet those who belief in no God are the least represented and least allowed to share their opinion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States

The fact is hes is not an NFL quality QB and every NFL team knows it. The truth is the only reason he is in the NFL is to sell tickets and jerseys. The Jets did this for no other reason but to steal the back page from the NYG and they will. He is a great athlete who cant throw a catch-able pass and should either change to a tight end or h back if not he will never be a true starting QB in the NFL.

Wow, never knew this...thanks for posting it. I see you made a few points here before me I just made while catching up, so cheers to that. And man, I now have even more respect for Pat Tillman, and a new found respect for his brother. Cheers again! :drunk:

[epo]

TERRIBLE comparison bc fucking Jeter was a good player and helped NYY win how many ws titles while the other guy has trouble throwing a simply 10 yard out to wideout or anyone underneath, much less make a fucking read. Also, Jeter doesn't shove religion of ANY kind down my fucking throat, and isn't some saint or even try to elude to the fact he is. He's respected for being a teammate, player and playing hard. I fucking HATE the guy, but this thing is comical at best. And for the record, plenty rip the guy too...as I did/do with his handling of that 3k hit and the poor fat slob that caught it.

Isn't Jeter also known for fucking everything that walks?

[spoon]

The KC game was a huge shit sandwich all around, but how many qb's are going to win when the other team puts up 40 and 41?

He's obviously not as good as the hysteria last year, but he's also not nearly as bad as people make him out to be.

yes, going 3 and out helped the Denver D so much and I'm sure it's not needed against an offense like New England.

if you like the anger so much, I guess I get free reign here to stir shit up now right?

yah, didn't think so

you only go with it bc you like to be contrarian to anything and everything here except show/board related...typical raider lemming slut!

:innocent:

[spoon]

a team doesnt put up 40 and 41 if the other team isnt goin 3 and outs and throwing incompletes left and right, allowing no time to run off while they gas their own defense. Its alot more of a reason that you think

and yes, he is as bad. in fact, he is probably WORSE than most people make him out to be

I really need to read ahead or trust that some here will post common sense after the usual suspects destroy the wall of common sense

[underdog]

Wow, never knew this...thanks for posting it. I see you made a few points here before me I just made while catching up, so cheers to that. And man, I now have even more respect for Pat Tillman, and a new found respect for his brother. Cheers again! :drunk:

watch the documentary on Tillman. It's a very moving, great movie.

[spoon]

How is he throwing his beliefs in your face ? Because he stands by what he believes and will talk about it ?

Turn the channel when he's being interviewed if you don't want to hear him.

Sure the media has caught on, in both a negative and positive way, but they do that w/ any gimmick.

For years a can watch a guy throw a screen pass that turns into an 80 yard TD and it was no problem but when Tebow does it it's only a 10 yards pass and the receiver ran the rest of the way.

Fine, let's start calculating the stat like that.

Let's go back and see how many of the yards Brady, Manning, Marino, etc ... are creditied with were are actually YAC.

I do listen to Carton and yes he does sing Sanchez's praises but it's more than him that's been saying it this week.

Anybody who claims that the Jets were wrong for pursuing Manning and now Tebow, because of Sanchez's delicate temperment, are blindlessly supporting Sanchez.

To say he's gonna miss out on reps now is silly because he's probably had 99% of the reps the last 3 years and that's equated to 55 TDs and 51 ints.

First off, I now have to change the channel when watching football, the NFL on tv bc Tebow is focused on God when asked about said NFL and the game at hand!? Yah, fuck yourself for being stupid and making a ridiculous point.

Next, you even mentioned the stat, YARDS AFTER CATCH, and it is tracked/followed. Do you truly think that argument made me now realize that we are wrong and off thinking Brady, Manning and yes even Snack's Marino were good QBs!? Laughable at best, sad is more appropriate.

And Hanso, Gator/Florida player fan or religious guy? Both?

I'm serious, bc I can't explain anyone's blind faith in this guy at QB. Pun intended. At least those claiming wins usually recognize Tebow had a huge help from his D keeping the team in the games, yet you keep throwing actual qb stats and shit eluding to those against Tebow as being off on his game/stat for a qb! To say I'm perplexed is putting it lightly.

[spoon]

Isn't Jeter also known for fucking everything that walks?

of course, and that's a church I can attend

[spoon]

Also this idea that Tebow only won because of his defense is equally as silly.

Every QB that wins does so in some part because of their defense.

Again I'm not saying that Tebow's good or even decent but trying to marginalize his stats without applying that same logic to every QB is just plain inconsistent.

who has to try marginalizing his stats?!

who?

it happens simply by reading them

[hanso]

Isn't Jeter also known for fucking everything that walks?

The anti Tebow.

[spoon]

I agree you cant have it both ways. I also feel that not having it both ways means you give him credit for putting up over 300 yards and beating Pitt in the playoffs. Something that MIGHTILY fucking impressed me.

Personally I determine success by wins. In my eyes, right now hes a successful starting NFL QB. The problem is, if you dont start putting up some kind of numbers, eventually the league figures you out and youre not gonna put those wins up consistently. But right now hes a winner in my book.

As far as Sanchez goes, I think its tough to go to back to back AFC title games and he deserves some credit, but you do also have to look at what else the team had when he went. Funny enough that was my same argument with McNabb when everyone would throw his NFC Championship game appearances in my face when I said he wasnt that good.

Oh TS, you're letting me down by being impressed by a Tebow win over Pitt with nobody healthy on D, much less the other side of the ball to put any pressure on Denver either. The secondary was destroyed, starting qb on crutches, starting rb gone and soooo much more. Who even played, much less those that did who weren't hobbled? 300 yards you say? Oh man, did you even watch the OT game and where/how they came about? It's the fucking statistical anomaly for Tebow tied to an injury riddled team and a game that went to OT no less. See the connections here, much less pattern of shit? Come on ts, you have more knowledge of the game than to post this belief.

Also, wins you say? He played in the fucking AFC WEST and did shit! He beat who again? Let's see how he does not playing KC, Oakland and SD 6 times total a year and a last place schedule to boot! Yes, let's just ignore that too, bc he beat SD and NYJ as their best team wins in my opinion. Both teams shit to bed versus tebow doing shit to win. Don't toss in that chicago blow it (thanks barber x2), bc that team was even more banged up than Pitt somehow! WHO, WHO did they beat?

[spoon]

Shit, I stopped reading and missed that gem. I'm in that same duck boat with you on that one.

Now, finally TS KNOWS he's wrong!

:tongue:

[spoon]

Here's an answer: You now have two shitty QBs instead of one.

Enjoy the worst QB controversy of all-time.

Washington and Oakland of the last decade would like to thank you NYJs!

[spoon]

Even if Schotty was as brain dead to call three passes again, Tebow would see nothing is open and take the ball and run. He's not afraid to get hit. Tebow sees a broken play and TRIES to make something of it. Sanchez would slide like most QBs would/should.

Yes, I'm saying Tebow should sacrifice himself. What?

yes, you are in classic matty mode, your guy is sacrificing himself by not being able to read defenses, make reads and or stick to the play called, while the other one does what he told to do and actually had the manager of the yankees come in to help him do better to stay healthy right?

yah, it's not for the glory, it's his SACRIFICE

already making the new jet a God I see

classic

[Kevin]

I'm sorry....

I'm too lazy to read everything...

Who is the retard who compared Tebow to Jeter?

[spoon]

so worth it

plenty of shit with gems in there if you dig in deep

[epo]

yes, you are in classic matty mode, your guy is sacrificing himself by not being able to read defenses, make reads and or stick to the play called, while the other one does what he told to do and actually had the manager of the yankees come in to help him do better to stay healthy right?

yah, it's not for the glory, it's his SACRIFICE

already making the new jet a God I see

classic

He knows three plays and he's a MARTYR for the Jets!

[spoon]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/nhl/files/2010/11/14y751e.gif



Kev, here's a summary for you to save some time.



Here's what I did to HansMO, Timmy TimBeam, dripSkeet and of course Jetbatsuzen.

[PapaBear]

Wouldn't whoever decided to hire him be the martyr? Unless Tebow actually dies to save the Jets, that is...

[cougarjake13]

Wouldn't whoever decided to hire him be the martyr? Unless Tebow actually dies to save the Jets, that is...



well they culd use the fg posts as a cross

[hanso]

yes, you are in classic matty mode, your guy is sacrificing himself by not being able to read defenses, make reads and or stick to the play called, while the other one does what he told to do and actually had the manager of the yankees come in to help him do better to stay healthy right?

yah, it's not for the glory, it's his SACRIFICE

already making the new jet a God I see

classic

They ran the option offense with hevy use of the run. C'mon Spoon.


And after doing so their running game was fourth in the NFL.


The Jets said they wanted to go to a ground and pound game so this should be right up their alley.

[Kevin]

Hmmm

Would have thought Matty...

But the one who actually said it would have been a close 2nd....

[underdog]

Someone writes a statement every week on my street in chalk, today's said :

"The Jets Land Tebow. Real humble person to take a private jet cross country."

The chalk is wise.

[hanso]

The chalk is tripin ballz.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Someone writes a statement every week on my street in chalk, today's said :

"The Jets Land Tebow. Real humble person to take a private jet cross country."

The chalk is wise.

Wasn't it Woody's plane?

[cougarjake13]

Wasn't it Woody's plane?



Not the point he should have walked through the 12 states to get to jersey with his pads on his back

[Tenbatsuzen]

Not the point he should have walked through the 12 states to get to jersey with his pads on his back

Carrying a cross, too.

[spoon]

don't forget his boyfriend...on the side

[cougarjake13]

Rumor is it that they're gonna add 2 player positions on offense so when tebows quarterbacking he can have 12 apostles err teammates following him

[spoon]

Rumor is it that they're gonna add 2 player positions on offense so when tebows quarterbacking he can have 12 apostles err teammates following him

no need Number #1 will be his OC, and Judas is his coach.

a nice even 12!

Sanchez is ?

marky magdalene? hmmmmmm

[cougarjake13]

Sanchez is either gonna be Doubting Thomas or judas

[Snoogans]

Sanchez is either gonna be Doubting Thomas or judas

sanchez is Enoch. The one who did a bunch of shit, but then left for a long time, and they lost most of his shit and so they just forgot about him and left him out mostly

[Tenbatsuzen]

In this situation, Elway's already Judas. Pilate would be Manning.

[spoon]

In this situation, Elway's already Judas. Pilate would be Manning.

nicely done!

[hanso]

Every GM in the leauge is Judas.

[spoon]

Every GM in the leauge is Judas.

Nah, AJ Smith is just straight up evil.

[hanso]

Should add this time of year with FA.

[sailor]

In this situation, Elway's already Judas. Pilate would be Manning.

Is Sanchez barabas?

[sailor]

Ha, Stanton just got traded from jets to colts. The circle is complete.

[spoon]

that was pretty much done for a while

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is Sanchez barabas?

Not sure... the crowd chose him to live.

However, what I think the Jets are going for is a cleansing of the temple first.

[Snoogans]

he is Enoch fools. Look it up

[hanso]

Tebow shopping for house near Sanchez

Tim Tebow is seriously considering renting a cottage in the same tony New Jersey golf-course community where Mark Sanchez lives, sources said

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/24/tebow-sanchez-may-be-neighbors/

Knock knock Markiepoo it's a prayer breakfast!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://images.hollywood.com/site/faceoffgunpoint.jpg

"I must become him"

[underdog]

http://images.hollywood.com/site/faceoffgunpoint.jpg

"I must become him"

I really hope someone gets stabbed by a speargun.

[spoon]

if it's up to tebow, someone may get stabbed in their ass

[sailor]

if it's up to tebow, someone may get stabbed in their ass

But probably not the person he was aiming at.

[PapaBear]

But probably not the person he was aiming at.
You said "butt".

[hanso]

You said "butt".

Huh-huh


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[TripleSkeet]

Oh TS, you're letting me down by being impressed by a Tebow win over Pitt with nobody healthy on D, much less the other side of the ball to put any pressure on Denver either. The secondary was destroyed, starting qb on crutches, starting rb gone and soooo much more. Who even played, much less those that did who weren't hobbled? 300 yards you say? Oh man, did you even watch the OT game and where/how they came about? It's the fucking statistical anomaly for Tebow tied to an injury riddled team and a game that went to OT no less. See the connections here, much less pattern of shit? Come on ts, you have more knowledge of the game than to post this belief.

Also, wins you say? He played in the fucking AFC WEST and did shit! He beat who again? Let's see how he does not playing KC, Oakland and SD 6 times total a year and a last place schedule to boot! Yes, let's just ignore that too, bc he beat SD and NYJ as their best team wins in my opinion. Both teams shit to bed versus tebow doing shit to win. Don't toss in that chicago blow it (thanks barber x2), bc that team was even more banged up than Pitt somehow! WHO, WHO did they beat?

They still beat a favored Pitt team. A win is a win. Not to mention before that game all I heard was how Pitt was gonna destroy them.

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying the guys a great player, or even that hes going top be, but Im not just going to ignore what hes accomplished either. He is a winning QB. Is it an impressive record? Not really. But it doesnt change that fact. If a guy goes 2-0 in his first 2 starts, hes a winning QB. That could change in the blink of an eye, but for right now it is what it is.

Also, Im not gonna just take away his yards because of the whole YAC stat. The stats are what they are, if you dont penalize other guys for it, you shouldnt penalize him. Manning, Warner, Brady...they are all great QBs, but they would all have significantly less passing yards if you took away all the YAC.

Again, I dont think the guy is great, but the whole situation does entertain me greatly, and Im not gonna take away what little he has accomplished because how he did it wasnt pretty.

[Kevin]

They still beat a favored Pitt team. A win is a win. Not to mention before that game all I heard was how Pitt was gonna destroy them.

Dont get me wrong, Im not saying the guys a great player, or even that hes going top be, but Im not just going to ignore what hes accomplished either. He is a winning QB. Is it an impressive record? Not really. But it doesnt change that fact. If a guy goes 2-0 in his first 2 starts, hes a winning QB. That could change in the blink of an eye, but for right now it is what it is.

Also, Im not gonna just take away his yards because of the whole YAC stat. The stats are what they are, if you dont penalize other guys for it, you shouldnt penalize him. Manning, Warner, Brady...they are all great QBs, but they would all have significantly less passing yards if you took away all the YAC.

Again, I dont think the guy is great, but the whole situation does entertain me greatly, and Im not gonna take away what little he has accomplished because how he did it wasnt pretty.

For the love of everything holy, he is NOT a winning QB.

A winning QB is a QB that wins SBs.

Eli is a Winning QB, Rogers is, Brady is,Big Ben is, Brees is.

Tebow is fucking terrible and if it was ANYONE but him he would be J.P Lossman and out of the Goddamn league.

Christ, first the Rock now this guy.

Your rational is so unreasonable sometimes.

And please don't give me this college nonsense.

Its much easier to win in Coll with a big program than it is to win in the NFL.

[TripleSkeet]

For the love of everything holy, he is NOT a winning QB.

A winning QB is a QB that wins SBs.

Eli is a Winning QB, Rogers is, Brady is,Big Ben is, Brees is.

Tebow is fucking terrible and if it was ANYONE but him he would be J.P Lossman and out of the Goddamn league.

Christ, first the Rock now this guy.

Your rational is so unreasonable sometimes.

And please don't give me this college nonsense.

Its much easier to win in Coll with a big program than it is to win in the NFL.

So Dan Marino isnt a winning QB then? I said it earlier as a joke but apparently you believe that.

A winning QB is one that has a winning record as a starter. Thats it. Thats all it takes. Winning a super bowl usually makes you a great QB. USUALLY. Winning multiple Super Bowls usually makes you an elite QB.

Ive also never brought up Tebows college career. Not once. He has a winning record as a starter. Thats makes him a winning QB. Next year he may go 2 and 6 and no longer be a winning QB, but as of right now, his record is his record.

[cougarjake13]

Qb wins are as stupid as MLB pitcher wins as far as determining how good a player is

A pitcher culd have a 5.00 era more walks then strikeouts but bc of a good offense and defense behind him could be 15-5


Same with Tebow and great playing defense behind him covered up his shitty play and has a winning record partly bc of it yes he did help it by being able to come back in 4 th quarter but that was only bc his defense kept it close enough for him to do so

[TripleSkeet]

Qb wins are as stupid as MLB pitcher wins as far as determining how good a player is

A pitcher culd have a 5.00 era more walks then strikeouts but bc of a good offense and defense behind him could be 15-5


Same with Tebow and great playing defense behind him covered up his shitty play and has a winning record partly bc of it yes he did help it by being able to come back in 4 th quarter but that was only bc his defense kept it close enough for him to do so

Sorry I disagree 100%. While a pitcher could get a win before even walking onto the mound, the QB leads his team. Even the shitty ones are still looked at to be the leader. Hundreds of former and current players say the same thing, the QB is the general on the field. If hes not a good leader, 99 out of 100 times they will fail.

Thats not the case in baseball where the pitcher usually tries to take care of business and has to focus on what he alone is doing and not the rest of the team. Theres a reason QBs have always gotten extra credit for wins and extra blame for losses.

[spoon]

For the love of everything holy, he is NOT a winning QB.

A winning QB is a QB that wins SBs.

Eli is a Winning QB, Rogers is, Brady is,Big Ben is, Brees is.

Tebow is fucking terrible and if it was ANYONE but him he would be J.P Lossman and out of the Goddamn league.

Christ, first the Rock now this guy.

Your rational is so unreasonable sometimes.

And please don't give me this college nonsense.

Its much easier to win in Coll with a big program than it is to win in the NFL.

Kev, just bc your boy now has two titles, one of which he was the main cog, doesn't make your ridiculous definition of winning qb correct. I have my argument here with TS sure, but you aren't agreeing with me here, just starting another disagreement with me.

And TS, I'm not even on Tebow about his passing stats against a depleted Pitt D, especially their secondary. I judge his throwing OVERALL and it's putrid, while for some reason anyone even thinking of defending him only use a one game sample that went into OT and he sucked for 3.5 qtrs until he hit the same guy on two broken plays for LONG tds. Sorry, that not only doesn't hold up, but even if it did pass the smell test it's a ONE QUARTER SAMPLE.

Disagree with you both here, on completely different topics in the end. At least TS isn't being biased and twisted arguments to fit their warped sense of my team's players though. Kev, you're really off now.

[spoon]

So Dan Marino isnt a winning QB then? I said it earlier as a joke but apparently you believe that.

A winning QB is one that has a winning record as a starter. Thats it. Thats all it takes. Winning a super bowl usually makes you a great QB. USUALLY. Winning multiple Super Bowls usually makes you an elite QB.

Ive also never brought up Tebows college career. Not once. He has a winning record as a starter. Thats makes him a winning QB. Next year he may go 2 and 6 and no longer be a winning QB, but as of right now, his record is his record.

Agreed on this post. Say what you will about Tebow, but he's a good kid with a good heart and surely can rally his players around him to lead/believe in him despite his awful tools as an NFL Qb. I fully expect the circus that are his fans to derail a whole lot in NY, but that's another topic. Yet right now, regardless of how it happened, he's a winning qb. I just choose to look past the stats, or deeper to see what his true value is/will be. The guy throws like my sister's friends in the backyard that grew up without brothers. AWFUL. He runs bc it's his best and sometimes only option. He's tough too, but that only take you so far in the NFL as a qb getting hit by Payton's bounty players. And trust me, the AFC East will be MUCH tougher for Tebow to run his crappy simplistic approach...in fact New England couldn't be happier he came to town. It is NOT the AFC West filled with just awful teams and or coaches.

[spoon]

Sorry I disagree 100%. While a pitcher could get a win before even walking onto the mound, the QB leads his team. Even the shitty ones are still looked at to be the leader. Hundreds of former and current players say the same thing, the QB is the general on the field. If hes not a good leader, 99 out of 100 times they will fail.

Thats not the case in baseball where the pitcher usually tries to take care of business and has to focus on what he alone is doing and not the rest of the team. Theres a reason QBs have always gotten extra credit for wins and extra blame for losses.

I disagree too, just not 100%. Some, if not a LOT of Tebow's success is linked to a D that kept him in games allowing for him to do his thing. Yet, he still had to do so, even if the asshole Bears and Barber like handing him games and fucking my team up the ass.

Yet a pitcher and qb's role overall are completely different as the QB is the general every Offensive play and is the de facto leader on most teams. As he goes, usually the team and at least the O goes. The pitcher is a once every 5 game type guy and can literally light things up on teams like Seattle or Pitt and never win. It's not the same.

[Kevin]

You just have your stance because Rivers has yet to win a SB.

And you know it.

But fine if you want to judge other than SB victories and over all winning record and performance, you can.

But Like it or not QBs at the end of the day are judged by SBs.

Hell you bash Marino for not winning all the time to snacks.

But Tebow at his record is not a winning QB.

Far from it.

[Kevin]

And before you go to your he has had poor coaching crutch lets not forget Eli had yell WE CAN'T RUN THESE PLAYS WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEs to his offensive coordinator in the goddamn Superbowl.

[hanso]

It was the O that was banged up for Pitt., but somehow they played/won that way most season. Den. was also banged up by that point. Den. Def. was 20/32. Den. run game 4/32.

The guy set records in college, did so first year (not even full) in pros (rushing).

You bring up Eli how did he fair his first full year? It took 3 or more like it does for most QB's. But somehow everyone has to step on this guys crank. Let him play for 3 full seasons before railing on him.

[Snacks]

It was the O that was banged up for Pitt., but somehow they played/won that way most season. Den. was also banged up by that point. Den Def was 20/32. Den run game 4/32.

The guy set records in college, did so first year (not even full) in pros (rushing).

You bring up Eli how did he fair his first year? It took 3 or more like it does for most QB's. But somehow everyone has to step on this guys crank. Let him play for 3 full seasons before railing on him.

Pitts best def back didnt play because of he had a lung or circulation disease that could have killed him playing at that altitude (dont remember exactly what it was). So they had injuries and banged up players on the entire team.

The reason people "step on this guys crank" is he cant throw a pass. Eli took time to grow and to develop into his own but he had all the tools of an NFL QB. But Tebow has no nfl qb abilities. He cant throw, cant take a snap under center, he runs first, he has bad drop backs, his throwing motion is all wrong and slows the development of plays and makes it easy for the def to knock the ball out of his hand. People arent hating on him to hate or because of his religion, that just makes it easier for some to not like him. The main criticism of him is his football abilities as a QB not as an overall athlete. Why is that so hard to understand?

[TripleSkeet]

You just have your stance because Rivers has yet to win a SB.

And you know it.

But fine if you want to judge other than SB victories and over all winning record and performance, you can.

But Like it or not QBs at the end of the day are judged by SBs.

Hell you bash Marino for not winning all the time to snacks.

But Tebow at his record is not a winning QB.

Far from it.

For the record, when Ive said that QBs are measured by Super Bowls....Im talking like the HOF worthy super elite. Not guys like Tim Tebow. Really? Thats how Im supposed to measure him??? It would take a miracle just for him to get a trip to a Super Bowl. Even the guys that sucked made it because they could complete easy short to mid passes without turning the ball over. He does it mostly by running, something that will end once teams key on him (See: New England)

The fact that Tim Tebows name is even mentioned in the same sentence as Marino is laughable.

And as far as my "bashing of Marino goes, here is the extent of it. By not winning a Super Bowl you cannot call Dan Marino the greatest quarterback of all time. Thats it. Thats was my biggest and harshest bashing. That he couldnt be called the best ever. He could still be called elite, HOFer, a winner, Top 5, any accolade you want to throw at him, just not the BEST ever. Not exactly burying the guy.

[spoon]

You just have your stance because Rivers has yet to win a SB.
And you know it.
But fine if you want to judge other than SB victories and over all winning record and performance, you can.

But Like it or not QBs at the end of the day are judged by SBs.

Hell you bash Marino for not winning all the time to snacks.

But Tebow at his record is not a winning QB.

Far from it.

Wow, so off, all over the place and contrived. Rivers has nothing to do with this, much less Marino. However, I'll bite.

I know it has to do with Rivers? How so? Is he a winning qb? Yes. In spite of Norv, even though his o coaching isn't bad vs his d and overall leadership/game choices are. How it ties to this argument is so off? You think I'm protecting his status by agreeing with TS and saying winning a SB is not the only way to be considered a winning qb? Do I really have to go deeper to say why this is off, especially since Rivers is just a pretty good qb to me at this point, and him not winning an SB does hurt him at this point regardless? I've never, not once, claimed Rivers is a great, much less top tier in this current NFL. He's a step down, clearly, until he can put it together. Now remember, he IS 3 years late to the party as he sat behind Brees for some time, yet he has never had a full team with him as Manning clearly has.

Yet here we go again with Kevin's myopic linear thinking. Why must every argument in sports be linked back to your team, players? Just bc this is the way you argue and think doesn't mean others do the same. My argument against Marino is also part a joke to rile up Snacks dummy. Marino is clearly a great qb, just not the best or close bc he did have great teams and failed to ever win an SB after a very long career. It also linked to the reasons I believe he failed too, not his arm, but his head and consequent leadership or lack their of due to arrogance and selfishness.

Still, in the long line of WINNING qbs that have NOT won a Super Bowl, he's clearly at the top of the list there. Rivers isn't even close. I'm not sure if you are capable these days of even talking football without somehow tying into some link to your team's recent title or the qb who helped them do it? Why is that Kev? We are talking about a kid, Tebow, that hasn't even started a full year yet too and you chime in about Super Bowls? He's a failure for being too young and not starting a full year now despite being a recent draft pick? Not a winning qb despite a winning record and winning everywhere he has been to this point?

God damn you for making me defend TS AND even more Tebow! Who for the record I think will be an ok qb at best mainly due to his legs, toughness and leadership. Yet, to this point NOT to call him a winning qb, especially based on your rundow, is simply wrong.

[spoon]

And before you go to your he has had poor coaching crutch lets not forget Eli had yell WE CAN'T RUN THESE PLAYS WE DON'T HAVE ANY TEs to his offensive coordinator in the goddamn Superbowl.


it never stops


do you have an eli fathead over your bed? Jesus H. Christ Kev, I'm not defending Rivers, you are for me proactively when he has NOTHING to do with this conversation...just like Eli doesn't too, as per the norm though, you've made it about him. Dare I say it, you're the new Tenbats...if not worse!

[spoon]

It was the O that was banged up for Pitt., but somehow they played/won that way most season. Den. was also banged up by that point. Den. Def. was 20/32. Den. run game 4/32.

The guy set records in college, did so first year (not even full) in pros (rushing).

You bring up Eli how did he fair his first full year? It took 3 or more like it does for most QB's. But somehow everyone has to step on this guys crank. Let him play for 3 full seasons before railing on him.

pitt's O wasn't banged up all year, it happened late...and there was PLENTY of issues in the secondary for that game, including their top pass rusher down as well.

[spoon]

For the record, when Ive said that QBs are measured by Super Bowls....Im talking like the HOF worthy super elite. Not guys like Tim Tebow. Really? Thats how Im supposed to measure him??? It would take a miracle just for him to get a trip to a Super Bowl. Even the guys that sucked made it because they could complete easy short to mid passes without turning the ball over. He does it mostly by running, something that will end once teams key on him (See: New England)

The fact that Tim Tebows name is even mentioned in the same sentence as Marino is laughable.

And as far as my "bashing of Marino goes, here is the extent of it. By not winning a Super Bowl you cannot call Dan Marino the greatest quarterback of all time. Thats it. Thats was my biggest and harshest bashing. That he couldnt be called the best ever. He could still be called elite, HOFer, a winner, Top 5, any accolade you want to throw at him, just not the BEST ever. Not exactly burying the guy.

NOOOOOOO!

Erase this before Snacks reads it! The gig will be up and I'll cry for weeks! :glurps:


Replace it with "You're right Kev! Tebow and Marino are pretty much the same losing qb junk tossers bc both have no SB titles!" Kev is now WAY worse than Snacks with Marino, epo with anything Wisconsin/Democrat or Tenbats with anything he tries to act like he knows more than YOU!

Kev has become what he used to make fun of. I'm going to argue in the MLB thread now about use of the bullpen only to have it devolve into something to do with the Yankee's doing it right over all others.

[cougarjake13]

Sorry I disagree 100%. While a pitcher could get a win before even walking onto the mound, the QB leads his team. Even the shitty ones are still looked at to be the leader. Hundreds of former and current players say the same thing, the QB is the general on the field. If hes not a good leader, 99 out of 100 times they will fail.

Thats not the case in baseball where the pitcher usually tries to take care of business and has to focus on what he alone is doing and not the rest of the team. Theres a reason QBs have always gotten extra credit for wins and extra blame for losses.


I agree the qb has more on him then a pitcher but my main point was that more then just the qb or pitcher go into determining wins and losses and therefore not a good barometer on how good they are
What I'm also saying is you could have a qb with unbelievable stats but defense sux and he's 6-10 while another qb is on a good defense team but he has shitty stats ( Alex smith applies here) but is 13-3

[TripleSkeet]

I agree the qb has more on him then a pitcher but my main point was that more then just the qb or pitcher go into determining wins and losses and therefore not a good barometer on how good they are
What I'm also saying is you could have a qb with unbelievable stats but defense sux and he's 6-10 while another qb is on a good defense team but he has shitty stats ( Alex smith applies here) but is 13-3

Yea but usually a good QB with a shitty defense wins more then a great defense with a shitty QB. Look how far New England and Green Bay made it this year with their defenses. The whole "defense carrying the team to a Super Bowl title" is alot rarer. Defense is important, yes, but when you are rebuilding your team, whats the first piece you go after? Quarterback.

[KnoxHarrington]

The Cowboys and Redskins have filed a complaint against the NFL and NFLPA over the fines they have been levied for salary cap violations.

One week after having their salary caps reduced by $46 million over the next two seasons, the Redskins and Cowboys filed a complaint against the NFL and the NFL Players Association to have the discipline overturned.

The league docked the Redskins and Cowboys $36 million and $10 million in cap space, respectively, for seeking a competitive advantage by front-loading contracts during the 2010 season, when there was no salary cap.

Teams had been warned by the league not to structure contracts in such a way, because it could negatively affect competitive balance in 2011 and beyond, when a new collective bargaining agreement was expected to kick in. By dumping large financial guarantees into the uncapped year, Washington and Dallas not only were able to retain or sign potential impact players, the league contends, but also have greater salary-cap flexibility under the new CBA.

In a statement released at the time of the discipline, the league stressed that the Redskins and Cowboys did not violate the salary cap; instead, the league argued, they "created an unacceptable risk to future competitive balance".

The teams are expected to base their claim -- likely to Special Master Stephen Burbank -- on two things: one, the Management Council approved the contracts; and two, how could they be at fault when there was nothing in writing that prohibited them from structuring contracts as they did?


http://cnnsi.com/2012/football/nfl/03/25/cowboys.redskins.complaint/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a6&eref=sihp

So here's what I wonder: if the Cowboys and Redskins could figure that out, why weren't other teams doing that as well?

[underdog]

The Cowboys and Redskins have filed a complaint against the NFL and NFLPA over the fines they have been levied for salary cap violations.



http://cnnsi.com/2012/football/nfl/03/25/cowboys.redskins.complaint/index.html?sct=hp_t2_a6&eref=sihp

So here's what I wonder: if the Cowboys and Redskins could figure that out, why weren't other teams doing that as well?

Because all the other owners are cheap.

I hope between this and the overreaction of the Saints' penalties that the owners fucking turn on Roger.

[Kevin]

I'm sorry I named 4 other QBs that have Superbowls.

Not my fault that you make counter arguments make on where your team is at with position and championships.

Its not my fault your QB and franchise hasn't gotten it done and I will not based my words an arguments to placate your rules on sports based on your inferiority that your shitty sports choices have put upon you.


You are a classic case of over compensation for a lack something.


And your over aggressive quick to insult anger is perfect proof.



Get on some goddamn meds. You pushed enough of them.

[spoon]

Kev, seriously, are you insane?

This was a conversation on Tebow and you not only turned it into a comparison to your new love child, but then managed to go after Rivers/me as if I EVER brought them into the conversation in ANY WAY? Now you think it's out of jealousy and the mere fact my team hasn't won and the org isn't good?! HA! I say that louder than you daily! Not only are you rehashing old points, you're saying what I say all the time about my old team to go after me in a conversation that has nothing to do with me, Rivers, Super Bowls and well, your lover either. Meds you say? That's quaint at best, but off topic completely AGAIN, but if you want to get personal, shall I start tossing shit out there too?

Argue the facts or opinions, stop with the pussy actions you are throwing down now. I don't care WHAT you think, I care WHY you think it? Anyone can attack the other opinion blindly, but you failed to back a God damned off topic thing you ever put here.

What's next, Jeff Hostetler has a better mustache than Rollie Fingers bc he has a better splitter? For fuck's sake!

:wallbash:

[BoondockSaint]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/jfm75/d26b166e.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/jfm75/d26b166e.jpg

holy shit, fuck i didnt even know you were still alive son. What the fuck have you been up to

[spoon]

holy shit, fuck i didnt even know you were still alive son. What the fuck have you been up to

yet he made his return post a classic

well played you dirty prick!

[BoondockSaint]

Eh, I've been popping in the last couple of weeks.

[spoon]

I'm sorry I named 4 other QBs that have Superbowls.

Not my fault that you make counter arguments make on where your team is at with position and championships.

Its not my fault your QB and franchise hasn't gotten it done and I will not based my words an arguments to placate your rules on sports based on your inferiority that your shitty sports choices have put upon you.


You are a classic case of over compensation for a lack something.


And your over aggressive quick to insult anger is perfect proof.

Show me Kev, ONE PLACE where I countered with where my team is in terms of position or championships!? I HATE TEBOW...HATE HIM as a qb, but your take is factually WRONG!

Next, my qb is good but has plenty to prove and the franchise is laughable in it's effort to become elite, but not terrible overall. They are the mid-level team always around, but never the top.

This part: I will not based my words an arguments to placate your rules on sports based on your inferiority that your shitty sports choices have put upon you. I don't even know how to address man. I love my teams, defend them when I feel it's appropriate and usually bash them MUCH MUCH more. Nobody asked you to "base your words" on my teams in any way. In fact, I don't/didn't here as they simply don't apply in any way...clear to any sane person. Wow.

Overcompensation? Huh? I still love my team and am overcompensating by defending Tebow? Lack of what too? Championships? My hockey team has two in my youth/college days...MLB back to back in the toughest division in MLB. I'd love more, but am fine with the diversion from life/entertainment that sports are regardless of titles. I don't live through my team, just enjoy their runs, success and even failures like lovable cub fans do as well. Sorry man, I'm not angry at this or you either. Just like to argue/debate, but you simply derailed yourself.

[Snoogans]

Eh, I've been popping in the last couple of weeks.

you got any McRibs?

[BoondockSaint]

you got any McRibs?

Fuck the McRib. I'm waiting for the McRibster. It's a deep fried McRib with bacon, cheddar-jack cheese, onions and lettuce.



http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/01/oh-yes-its-real-mcdonalds-austria-introduces-deep-fried-mcrib/

[cougarjake13]

Cept for the onions I'm in

[spoon]

Cept for the onions I'm in

what's wrong with you!? ONIONS RULE!

[BoondockSaint]

Still a lightweight.

[TripleSkeet]

Show me Kev, ONE PLACE where I countered with where my team is in terms of position or championships!? I HATE TEBOW...HATE HIM as a qb, but your take is factually WRONG!

Next, my qb is good but has plenty to prove and the franchise is laughable in it's effort to become elite, but not terrible overall. They are the mid-level team always around, but never the top.

This part: I don't even know how to address man. I love my teams, defend them when I feel it's appropriate and usually bash them MUCH MUCH more. Nobody asked you to "base your words" on my teams in any way. In fact, I don't/didn't here as they simply don't apply in any way...clear to any sane person. Wow.

Overcompensation? Huh? I still love my team and am overcompensating by defending Tebow? Lack of what too? Championships? My hockey team has two in my youth/college days...MLB back to back in the toughest division in MLB. I'd love more, but am fine with the diversion from life/entertainment that sports are regardless of titles. I don't live through my team, just enjoy their runs, success and even failures like lovable cub fans do as well. Sorry man, I'm not angry at this or you either. Just like to argue/debate, but you simply derailed yourself.

Relax there needle dick. :lol::lol::lol:

Sorry, I couldnt resist.

[spoon]

Relax there needle dick. :lol::lol::lol:

Sorry, I couldnt resist.

You only bring needle dick into the conversation bc of YOUR position to placate your inferiority as compensation!

HA! I couldn't resist either!

Cheers!

:drunk:

[cougarjake13]

what's wrong with you!? ONIONS RULE!


Allergic

[BoondockSaint]

Allergic



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f245/jfm75/d26b166e.jpg


Goddamn, 1) welcome back and 2) fuck you for making me laugh and waking the kid up

[BoondockSaint]

Just to be clear, I didn't make that. Someone sent it to me like an hour after the trade was announced.

[hanso]

Spoon I said most season Pitt's O was hurt. I had big Ben as QB for fantasy he had 20+ pts maybe 3 times all season. And the preview of the title game I read said the same they only brought up 1 Def. player.

I have never seen so much nitpicking over a player ever. Especially one than didn't even play one full season, didn't have the back of the FO or coaching staff. Was given a play set to run an option and that's just what he did.

[Kevin]

I didn't read shit spoon said because its the same dribble.

I can summarize by saying.

He is right im retarded.

Insult.

And the word myopic sprinkled in for good measure.

Did i miss anything?

[BoondockSaint]

I didn't read shit spoon said because its the same dribble.

I can summarize by saying.

He is right im retarded.

Insult.

And the word myopic sprinkled in for good measure.

Did i miss anything?

I've been gone for like 4 years and that still sums up the whole board.

[disneyspy]

I've been gone for like 4 years and that still sums up the whole board.

don't you dare lump the rest of us in with spoon

[spoon]

But kevin is retarded and clearly now in fanboy mode. He's going at me for calling him out turning multiple conversations here into nyg/eli topics! Then he says it's bc I am just doing it based on my team and rivers! Ha!

And dspy said lump!

[disneyspy]

my lump bring the all the ladies to the yard

[spoon]

Puke!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I didn't read shit spoon said because its the same dribble.

I can summarize by saying.

He is right im retarded.

Insult.

And the word myopic sprinkled in for good measure.

Did i miss anything?

You forgot the word "classic" and "HA!"

[spoon]

You forgot the word "classic" and "HA!"

words asshole

fucko twin powers ACTIVATE! (kev and tenbats unite)

[hanso]

But kevin is retarded and clearly now in fanboy mode. He's going at me for calling him out turning multiple conversations here into nyg/eli topics! Then he says it's bc I am just doing it based on my team and rivers! Ha!

And dspy said lump!

My next step was to bring up Rivers, such a nice looking thrower of the ball and prototypical QB.

I have to stop giving phrase for Tebow as he is now a Jet after all.

[Snoogans]

words asshole

fucko twin powers ACTIVATE! (kev and tenbats unite)

shut up, douche



sorry, i just wanted to get in on the fun before the horse dies

[spoon]

shut up, douche



sorry, i just wanted to get in on the fun before the horse dies

You're just mad bc of your bias and base it all on the Knicks and their lack of chamionships!

:wallbash:

[Snoogans]

You're just mad bc of your bias and base it all on the Knicks and their lack of chamionships!

:wallbash:

SON OF A BITCH

[cougarjake13]

So wow parcells huh

[Earlshog]

Cowboys Vs. Giants Will Kick Off 2012 NFL Season

[cougarjake13]

Cowboys Vs. Giants Will Kick Off 2012 NFL Season



Saw that

Nice way to kick off season with a division game
Coulda been saints packers or steelers and with all the stuff goin on with nawlins the best time to get them might have been early

[disneyspy]

hoping the boys have a running game and romo gets knocked out early

[hanso]

So wow parcells huh

Screw him, he sabotaged my team, if the owner was smart he would cut all ties to him.

[cougarjake13]

Screw him, he sabotaged my team, if the owner was smart he would cut all ties to him.

Well his magic declined in every stop

Giants .. He won 2 super bowls
Patriots .. Made but lost super bowl
Jets ... Made but lost afc championship
Cowboys ... Made but lost 2 playoff games
Dolphins ....made but lost playoff game

[TripleSkeet]

Well his magic declined in every stop

Giants .. He won 2 super bowls
Patriots .. Made but lost super bowl
Jets ... Made but lost afc championship
Cowboys ... Made but lost 2 playoff games
Dolphins ....made but lost playoff game

I wouldnt call it declining actually. Not where you see where those teams were when he went there. Every one of them sucked camel dick.

[hanso]

Well his magic declined in every stop

Giants .. He won 2 super bowls
Patriots .. Made but lost super bowl
Jets ... Made but lost afc championship
Cowboys ... Made but lost 2 playoff games
Dolphins ....made but lost playoff game

Always look at that as more to do with landing Pennington, it all went downhill from there. Big Poison Tuna here 3 years, set team back 5.

[underdog]

New NFL rules!

All turnovers will now be automatically reviewed by the booth, much like the scoring plays.

Overtime rules are now uniform; regular season now has same rules as postseason

Trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8 pushed back until May, NFL needs to talk to the NFLPA to approve.

Woo! I hope they push the trade deadline back even further, like week 12 or 13.

[spoon]

Good moves overall by the nfl? Wtf?!

[Earlshog]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7746849/ex-new-york-giants-rb-brandon-jacobs-sign-san-francisco-49ers-source-says

49ers to sign Brandon Jacobs

[KnoxHarrington]

New NFL rules!

All turnovers will now be automatically reviewed by the booth, much like the scoring plays.

Overtime rules are now uniform; regular season now has same rules as postseason

Trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8 pushed back until May, NFL needs to talk to the NFLPA to approve.

Woo! I hope they push the trade deadline back even further, like week 12 or 13.

I wonder if they're keeping the limit of 1 OT in the regular season, though. Putting that OT rule in place and limiting the game to 1 OT could greatly increase the chances of a game ending in a tie. Though, of course, in the 2 cases in the playoffs where the new rule got invoked, the games played out exactly the same way they would have gone under the old rule, so I think the overall impact of this rule isn't going to be that big.

[cougarjake13]

I wouldnt call it declining actually. Not where you see where those teams were when he went there. Every one of them sucked camel dick.


Declining success then cause yeh he turned each team around

[cougarjake13]

I wonder if they're keeping the limit of 1 OT in the regular season, though. Putting that OT rule in place and limiting the game to 1 OT could greatly increase the chances of a game ending in a tie. Though, of course, in the 2 cases in the playoffs where the new rule got invoked, the games played out exactly the same way they would have gone under the old rule, so I think the overall impact of this rule isn't going to be that big.


I would imagine it would be each team gets its possession cept for a Tebow like touchdown on opening drive and if time runs out and no scores or both get fg's and then no score then it wuld be a tie

[cougarjake13]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7746849/ex-new-york-giants-rb-brandon-jacobs-sign-san-francisco-49ers-source-says

49ers to sign Brandon Jacobs


Can't beat em then sign them away I guess
Well the last time the signed away a giants rb wearing #27 was Rodney Hampton and we know how that worked out so good luck Brandon

[cougarjake13]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7746849/ex-new-york-giants-rb-brandon-jacobs-sign-san-francisco-49ers-source-says

49ers to sign Brandon Jacobs


Can't beat em then sign them away I guess
Well the last time they signed away a giants rb wearing #27 was Rodney Hampton and we know how that worked out so good luck Brandon

[Snacks]

Can't beat em then sign them away I guess
Well the last time the signed away a giants rb wearing #27 was Rodney Hampton and we know how that worked out so good luck Brandon

Do we? I never heard or read he ever signed with SF? So what exactly happened?

[cougarjake13]

Do we? I never heard or read he ever signed with SF? So what exactly happened?


U know I thought he did but a quick google search told me he was in a rumored trade to niners but instead retired

[Earlshog]

U know I thought he did but a quick google search told me he was in a rumored trade to niners but instead retired

The Niners tendered him and the Giants matched it.

I always wondered would have happened had he got a shot in San Fran, the Giants had such a bad predictable o. Other teams would just stack the box. It would have been interesting to see how could he could have been on a dynamic offense like the 9ers.

[Snoogans]

The Niners tendered him and the Giants matched it.

I always wondered would have happened had he got a shot in San Fran, the Giants had such a bad predictable o. Other teams would just stack the box. It would have been interesting to see how could he could have been on a dynamic offense like the 9ers.

they stacked the box against rodney hampton in 1990 and he rushed for like 1400 yards. besides, he was an asshole, so im glad he got fucked over. he was like tiki before tiki

[Snacks]

they stacked the box against rodney hampton in 1990 and he rushed for like 1400 yards. besides, he was an asshole, so im glad he got fucked over. he was like tiki before tiki

you mean 400 yards in 1990 that was his rookie year? he never ran for 1400 yards in his pro career.

[Snoogans]

you mean 400 yards in 1990? he never ran for 1400 yards in his pro career.

maybe i remember it wrong from the SB video from that year. they used to show highlights of him romping on the cowboys. he had like 400 yards in just those 2 games. I just assumed he wasnt a complete bum the other 14 games

[Snacks]

maybe i remember it wrong from the SB video from that year. they used to show highlights of him romping on the cowboys. he had like 400 yards in just those 2 games. I just assumed he wasnt a complete bum the other 14 games

remember oj anderson was the starter that year and won the sb mvp.

[Snoogans]

remember oj anderson was the starter that year and won the sb mvp.

yea in the playoffs. But in the SB video, they had alot of highlights, and even a 10 min mid piece about how huge hapton was that year. So i just thought he was a big part and maybe got hurt in the playoffs. All im goin by is the SB highlight video. i was only like 6 or 7 then

[spoon]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyrfe6IJdP1qc4b7mo6_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1333079799&Signature=Toc5tdoIYCRzx%2Bj3TNpKPsgvMqE%3D

[hanso]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyrfe6IJdP1qc4b7mo6_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1333079799&Signature=Toc5tdoIYCRzx%2Bj3TNpKPsgvMqE%3D

King Missile.

[Earlshog]

they stacked the box against rodney hampton in 1990 and he rushed for like 1400 yards. besides, he was an asshole, so im glad he got fucked over. he was like tiki before tiki

90 - 93 he had Simms and some hope...

Once the Dave Brown era began it was the begining of the end for Rodney!

[Snacks]

95 was his 2nd year with Dave Brown as a starter and he had his best rushing year of his career and 2nd most tds too. He just got fat, lazy or scared his last 2 seasons similar to Jacobs. He hit his peek at 26 and dropped like a fly.

Just looked it up. He barely ever played with Simms in 91 or 92. In 93 they played an entire season together but in 91 and 92 Hostetler started 21 of the 32 regular season games and Kent Grahm started 3 and Simms only started 8 total games those 2 seasons.

I must have forgotten that Hos came back for 2 more seasons after winning the 1990 season SB before leaving. I also forgot that Simms played til 93 although he was hurt, benched or whatever for the majority of those 2 seasons with Hos. Simms retired at 39 which was a shock he lasted that long!

[Snoogans]

95 was his 2nd year with Dave Brown as a starter and he had his best rushing year of his career and 2nd most tds too. He just got fat, lazy or scared his last 2 seasons similar to Jacobs. He hit his peek at 26 and dropped like a fly.

Just looked it up. He barely ever played with Simms in 91 or 92. In 93 they played an entire season together but in 91 and 92 Hostetler started 21 of the 32 regular season games and Kent Grahm started 3 and Simms only started 8 total games those 2 seasons.

I must have forgotten that Hos came back for 2 more seasons after winning the 1990 season SB before leaving. I also forgot that Simms played til 93 although he was hurt, benched or whatever for the majority of those 2 seasons with Hos. Simms retired at 39 which was a shock he lasted that long!

yea if i remember right, simms had to have surgery right before the playoffs in 90, so after the SB hos wsa still the starter for the following season, which they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

[spoon]

you guys are forgetting Eli

how does this compare to Eli!?




er, I meant Rivers...sorry bout dat!

:wacko:

[Earlshog]

95 was his 2nd year with Dave Brown as a starter and he had his best rushing year of his career and 2nd most tds too. He just got fat, lazy or scared his last 2 seasons similar to Jacobs. He hit his peek at 26 and dropped like a fly.

Just looked it up. He barely ever played with Simms in 91 or 92. In 93 they played an entire season together but in 91 and 92 Hostetler started 21 of the 32 regular season games and Kent Grahm started 3 and Simms only started 8 total games those 2 seasons.

I must have forgotten that Hos came back for 2 more seasons after winning the 1990 season SB before leaving. I also forgot that Simms played til 93 although he was hurt, benched or whatever for the majority of those 2 seasons with Hos. Simms retired at 39 which was a shock he lasted that long!

Simms / Hoss what ever a real QB

Whatever stats you goggled don’t tell the whole story. I am a fan, and actually went to / watched most of the games. He was a much more potent weapon earlier in his career when they had offensive threats (even though they weren’t all that great). When they had Mr. Conservative (Dan Reeves) and shit QB's he got killed as they ran every first and second down. He got the living shit beat out of him and that’s why he his career ended prematurely.

[Earlshog]

yea if i remember right, simms had to have surgery right before the playoffs in 90, so after the SB hos wsa still the starter for the following season, which they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.

you are correct sir... the great Ray Handly era

[Snacks]

Simms / Hoss what ever a real QB

Whatever stats you goggled don’t tell the whole story. I am a fan, and actually went to / watched most of the games. He was a much more potent weapon earlier in his career when they had offensive threats (even though they weren’t all that great). When they had Mr. Conservative (Dan Reeves) and shit QB's he got killed as they ran every first and second down. He got the living shit beat out of him and that’s why he his career ended prematurely.

I was forced to watch him play every game just because you are a fan of his or the nyg mean you know everything. Many of us did watch him as well, if anything it means you are bias. He was an avg rb during his career with a couple of good seasons.

Until recently when did the NYG not run every single down? Until eli they have been run 1st and 2nd down pass 3rd down through-out the 80s and 90s and even in to the 2000's

[Earlshog]

I was forced to watch him play every game just because you are a fan of his or the nyg mean you know everything. Many of us did watch him as well, if anything it means you are bias. He was an avg rb during his career with a couple of good seasons.

Until recently when did the NYG not run every single down? Until eli they have been run 1st and 2nd down pass 3rd down through-out the 80s and 90s and even in to the 2000's

"I must have forgotten that Hos came back for 2 more seasons after winning the 1990 season SB before leaving. I also forgot that Simms played til 93 although he was hurt, benched or whatever for the majority of those 2 seasons with Hos. Simms retired at 39 which was a shock he lasted that long!"


Yeah it sounds like you have quite an astute memory of the time period. ;-)

Never said I know more cause I'm a fan. I do know from watching all those games your assessment, based on the summarization of some numbers from a google search, that he "just got fat, lazy or scared" is incorrect. That’s all


The Giants stopped running every first and second down when they got a competent QB Kerry Collins (which they didn’t have 94 - 98).

[Snacks]

"I must have forgotten that Hos came back for 2 more seasons after winning the 1990 season SB before leaving. I also forgot that Simms played til 93 although he was hurt, benched or whatever for the majority of those 2 seasons with Hos. Simms retired at 39 which was a shock he lasted that long!"


Yeah it sounds like you have quite an astute memory of the time period. ;-)

Never said I know more cause I'm a fan. I do know from watching all those games your assessment, based on the summarization of some numbers from a google search, that he "just got fat, lazy or scared" is incorrect. That’s all


The Giants stopped running every first and second down when they got a competent QB Kerry Collins (which they didn’t have 94 - 98).

Trust me, I was forced to watch this team and its one of the many reasons I never liked the Giants growing up was how boring they were on offense. I didnt remember that Simms played to 39 and that Hos stayed a couple more years. I thought that off-season he went to the Raiders. But I do remember the teams in general and how they played. They have always been a run, run, maybe throw team. Yes they did air it out a little more with Kerry Collins!

[Kevin]

you are correct sir... the great Ray Handly era


They had a qb battle and Hos won I remember the headline

Hos the boss.

It was one of the moves the myopic Ray Handly made.

[spoon]

ah, look who learned a new word and can actually spell it too!?

you're welcome Eli cum catcher

[spoon]

Antonio Garay | NT Previous Team: San Diego Exp: 5 years
Analysis: The Chargers have agreed on a two-year deal with Garay, U-T San Diego reported Thursday.

Happy about that. He's been solid and a local kid to boot.

[spoon]

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Ha! You can't make this shit up!

My wonderlic score..

[spoon]

Go here to take it too. (http://www.nicholascreative.com/footballiq/index.php?reset=true)

No cheating (calculators/help/retesting)!

[weekapaugjz]

30. i wish they showed the correct answers compared yours. i'd like to know which ones i missed.

[PapaBear]

30
Dirty Thirty, Birthday boy!

[weekapaugjz]

Dirty Thirty, Birthday boy!

oh yeah!

[spoon]

30. i wish they showed the correct answers compared yours. i'd like to know which ones i missed.

I know I got that fucking pages/print one wrong...perhaps it's late, but I didn't even understand it!

[spoon]

Dirty Thirty, Birthday boy!

Wow, what an odd slate of bdays today!

Have a good one you shitty goalie!

[spoon]

30. i wish they showed the correct answers compared yours. i'd like to know which ones i missed.

post your badge...I'm interested to see them!

[weekapaugjz]

I know I got that fucking pages/print one wrong...perhaps it's late, but I didn't even understand it!

that one baffled the shit outta me.

Wow, what an odd slate of bdays today!

Have a good one you shitty goalie!

thanks, sweetie!

[weekapaugjz]

post your badge...I'm interested to see them!

it said i was smarter than payton manning. he scored a 29.

[PapaBear]

it said i was smarter than payton manning. he scored a 29.
Peyton did that much worse than Eli?:laugh:

[spoon]

I think it's HILARIOUS that it all comes back to the Mannings...just for Kev!

[sailor]

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there were two word comparisons i was unsure of verve:vigor and allusion:illusion

[cougarjake13]

yea if i remember right, simms had to have surgery right before the playoffs in 90, so after the SB hos wsa still the starter for the following season, which they went 8-8 and missed the playoffs.



Yeh if I remember correctly we were 10-1 and playing the bills and he got hurt in that game and hoss finished season and Playoffs n super bowl

[Earlshog]

Yeh if I remember correctly we were 10-1 and playing the bills and he got hurt in that game and hoss finished season and Playoffs n super bowl

They were 13 - 3 that season. They lost to the Eagles, Bills, and Niners in the regular season. They beat Philly the other regular season game, beat the 49ers (in San Fran they were 14 - 2) in the Championship Game and beat Buffalo in the Superbowl. What a season!

[hanso]

Bleacher Report falls for prank

Breaking News: Stephen Ross in Talks to Move Miami Dolphins to Los Angeles
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1127516-breaking-news-stephen-ross-in-talks-to-move-miami-dolphins-to-los-angeles

Bet it's the fake Adam Schefter twitter feed.
Ad n n - Adnn

Yep if you google search the link it shows up.

[hanso]

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Jon Gruden likes the wide banana.

[Snacks]

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Jon Gruden likes the wide banana.

when i watched that the other night i wanted to punch him in the face. how many times did he have to say the play?

[hanso]

New York Jets Sign Rugby Star Hayden Smith

The New York Jets have signed Australian rugby star Hayden Smith to a three-year contract, according to ESPN New York. Smith, who is 6-foot-7 and 240 pounds, projects as a tight end.

[NickyL0885]

New York Jets Sign Rugby Star Hayden Smith

The New York Jets have signed Australian rugby star Hayden Smith to a three-year contract, according to ESPN New York. Smith, who is 6-foot-7 and 240 pounds, projects as a tight end.

So, would this be a back up TE or starter, shifting Keller to WR?

[PapaBear]

They signed a new kicker, too.

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[Kevin]

Joe Flacco: 'I think I'm the best' QB (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7772584/joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-says-think-best-qb-nfl)


:lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

REALLY Joe? REALLY?


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[PapaBear]

Flacco's agent, The Blowhard, created a stir in February when he said Flacco should be considered a top-five quarterback
Fixed

[NickyL0885]

Joe Flacco: 'I think I'm the best' QB (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7772584/joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-says-think-best-qb-nfl)


:lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

REALLY Joe? REALLY?


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I guess he figures "If Eli can say it and win a Super Bowl, maybe I'll do the same"

[cougarjake13]

Joe Flacco: 'I think I'm the best' QB (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7772584/joe-flacco-baltimore-ravens-says-think-best-qb-nfl)


:lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

REALLY Joe? REALLY?


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:


Just cause it worked for Eli doesn't mean it'll work for u Flacco

[spoon]

yah wow flacco, just a crazy comment even if I get his point in theory

and the Chargers resigned Castillo as a huge reduction (nice) and Parrish for special teams to go with Royal making them a very good return team over night from shit the last few years. both are very good at returning kicks, and man they are huge upgrades over what we had last year. Some added speed too for our 4/5 wide sets as 4-5 wrs too. Not bad this year by AJ, outside of keeping Turner and well, himself!

[Snoogans]

Just cause it worked for Eli doesn't mean it'll work for u Flacco


and eli had actually won a fuckin SB BEFORE he said that shit

[hanso]

"The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever
Will Be"

[spoon]

Are we back on Marino again? ; )

[cougarjake13]

Are we back on Marino again? ; )



Don't get finkel started

[hanso]

That was for Flacco but it's an old WWF / WWE slogan.

[cougarjake13]

That was for Flacco but it's an old WWF / WWE slogan.



Yes we know Bret hart

[spoon]

The Chargers announced Wednesday that they had signed Spurlock to a one-year deal. He has returned 41 punts for 331 yards and 73 kickoffs for 1,830 yards in his career. Spurlock played under current Chargers special teams coach Rich Bisaccia when both were with the Buccaneers.

wow, SD is REALLY addressing it's return game to the tune of at least 3 viable signings with tons of speed and ability with both the KR/PR...just not sure who will stick and what other roles they can take if not our main guy on either. I do expect someone different on each at this point with Parrish, Spurlock and Royal in house. Royal may get slot duties and taken off the return circuit now? Has to be, or else I'm not sure how this sets up at this point.

[hanso]

wow, SD is REALLY addressing it's return game to the tune of at least 3 viable signings with tons of speed and ability with both the KR/PR...just not sure who will stick and what other roles they can take if not our main guy on either. I do expect someone different on each at this point with Parrish, Spurlock and Royal in house. Royal may get slot duties and taken off the return circuit now? Has to be, or else I'm not sure how this sets up at this point.

Maybe you can get Big Tuna to draft you one.

Btw heard Min. has offered a blank check for him to be their coach.

[cougarjake13]

Don't the Vikings still have Frazier?

[hanso]

Don't the Vikings still have Frazier?

Guess he would get kicked to curb if this is true.

[hanso]

Maybe you can get Big Tuna to draft you one.



In the first round no less.

[hanso]

Defensive tackle Amobi Okoye, formerly of the Chicago Bears, has agreed to a one-year deal with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a source tells Jeff Dickerson of ESPN Chicago.

[hanso]

Pat's shopping for RB/'s

[cougarjake13]

Who's a free agent ?


U know I culd see them make a trade for forte

[spoon]

Who's a free agent ?


U know I culd see them make a trade for forte

That would NOT be good for the AFC and hell the rest of the NFC hoping for a SB. Him there could be fucking LETHAL. He does everything.

[underdog]

Pat's shopping for RB/'s

I don't know why. They have two very good, young RBs right now.

That would NOT be good for the AFC and hell the rest of the NFC hoping for a SB. Him there could be fucking LETHAL. He does everything.

Doubtful. Belichick and Brady ruin RBs. No consistency and no reliability. It's weird.

[Snoogans]

Who's a free agent ?


U know I culd see them make a trade for forte

apparently they have Tim Hightower in right now for a visit

[spoon]

apparently they have Tim Hightower in right now for a visit

truly he fits the NE back profile sooo much better and I can't even really explain it

[cougarjake13]

W

[cougarjake13]

Worked for Corey dillon

[razorboy]

Things may be getting worse for Saints' GM Mickey Loomis.

Loomis had eavesdropping device to monitor visiting teams. (http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7846290/new-orleans-saints-mickey-loomis-eavesdrop-opposing-coaches-home-games)

[cougarjake13]

Wow

Totally fucked if true

[HBox]

The Saints as a franchise are going to be a smoldering pile of rubble by opening day if this keeps up.

[hanso]

Was that the year they won SB?

[razorboy]

Was that the year they won SB?

According to the reports it was there from 02-04 and was dismantled in 2005 sometime after Katrina. That puts it outside the statute of limitations for ECPA so I don't know what kind of federal trouble Loomis could be facing if any. The possible scandal needs a media tagline though. I think underwatergate is catchy.

[cougarjake13]

Still culd get more time from goddell

[hanso]

According to the reports it was there from 02-04 and was dismantled in 2005 sometime after Katrina. That puts it outside the statute of limitations for ECPA so I don't know what kind of federal trouble Loomis could be facing if any. The possible scandal needs a media tagline though. I think underwatergate is catchy.

underwatergate..lol They won it just few years back thought it was before then.

[HBox]

So, uh, Gus Johnson and Cris Collinsworth are out as announcers in Madden 13. I could tell you who replaced them but I just don't have the heart. Click the link and find out.

Madden 13 has new announcers. (http://kotaku.com/5905195/hello-friends-madden-has-a-new-commentary-team)

[keithy_19]

So, uh, Gus Johnson and Cris Collinsworth are out as announcers in Madden 13. I could tell you who replaced them but I just don't have the heart. Click the link and find out.

Madden 13 has new announcers. (http://kotaku.com/5905195/hello-friends-madden-has-a-new-commentary-team)

Awful.

[cougarjake13]

thank god i dont play anymore

and im a giants fan

[Snoogans]

even without this i wouldnt buy madden. I havent in like 4 years now cause NCAA is a WAYYY better game. But if i was considering madden, i sure as FUCK wouldnt now. Simms, really?

[cougarjake13]

06 or 07 is the last one i got

[spoon]

ha! the whole game is now about NY and what Simms did when he played...NICE!

[HBox]

ha! the whole game is now about NY and what Simms did when he played...NICE!

And after you choose your play Simms will incorrectly predict what play you are about to run, and then afterwards explain why he thought that way.

[spoon]

And after you choose your play Simms will incorrectly predict what play you are about to run, and then afterwards explain why he thought that way.

Ha!

Only IF said play works, if not he'll go into depth on why they should have gone with his play and how it would have resulted in 7 Super Bowl titles instantly! I mean come on, Al Davis wanted him.

[weekapaugjz]

And after you choose your play Simms will incorrectly predict what play you are about to run, and then afterwards explain why he thought that way.

:lol:

[hanso]

Now that the 2012 NFL Draft is complete, the undrafted free agent period is beginning. You can track all of the Miami Dolphins signings here:


Player Position School

Chas Alecxih DT Pittsburgh
Cameron Collins LB Oregon State
Derek Dennis OL Temple
Albert Evans S Purdue
Jeff Fuller WR Texas A&M
Jonas Gray RB Notre Dame
Shelly Lyons DE Arizona State
Kelcie McCray S Arkansas State
Derek Moye WR Penn State
Jarrell Root DL Boise State
Jacquies Smith DE Missouri
Dustin Waldron OT Portland State

All these players where signed already? The same night?

http://www.thephinsider.com/pages/miami-dolphins-2012-undrafted-free-agent-tracker

Oh yeah there is a new rule teams get 10 more players or something to that effect.

[cougarjake13]

Yeh all teams have lists of guys they're interested in and if they ain't drafted they get called and asked if they wanna sign

Yeh they upped the roster size as part of the new deal from last yr

[hanso]

Think all 12 players were signed same day/night draft ended .

This is the last line
"You can track all of the Miami Dolphins signings here".

[cougarjake13]

According to tmz

Junior seau



Dead

[Snoogans]

According to tmz

Junior seau



Dead

there wasnt more info on this?
didnt he just try to play like 2 years ago?

[Misteriosa]

there wasnt more info on this?
didnt he just try to play like 2 years ago?

http://www.tmz.com/2012/05/02/junior-seau-shooting-police/

[Snoogans]

based on them adding the part about driving off a cliff, it seems to be they are insinuating that he might have shot himself

[cougarjake13]

there wasnt more info on this?
didnt he just try to play like 2 years ago?


Yeh I only heard that part on radio that tmz was reporting it

[Snoogans]

they are sayin suicide. He shot himself in the chest just like Dave Dewerson so they could do research on his brain still

[spoon]

Seau was a mess in his personal life, so suicide is highly likely. He failed in a first attempt if you ask me, bc he's just that tough. Yet a gun to the chest/face usually wins.

[spoon]

Loved Seau obviously. Such a sad ending to his life, and odd fact of the day...8 of the 1994 SD Charger team are already dead!

WAY TOO HIGH.

[Snoogans]

Loved Seau obviously. Such a sad ending to his life, and odd fact of the day...8 of the 1994 SD Charger team are already dead!

WAY TOO HIGH.

one of them was struck by lightning twice in 5 minutes. Those fuckers musta sold their souls or something. all that to lose to SF by 700

[spoon]

when he retired and simply said, "I'm going to surf" was awesome. He seemingly should have listened to himself, but he obviously was in distress and it's tough to see him end it like this.

I can remember him almost single handily (serious, he played with one arm too) beat the highly favored Pitt team in the AFC Conf Final to get the Chargers into their first SB. The guy was a beast...such a sad end to a pretty damn good guy too.

Interesting point by snoogans too that is all over the stories now. I wonder if this was the reason in the end, or just thoughts of an open casket for his family (ex-wife and 3 kids)?

:down:

[mdr55]

RIP Junior Seau. One of the few asian football players that made it to the NFL. Always rooted for him (can't you tell by the 55 in my initials) but not against the Giants. He was that close to winning one against Eli's first Superbowl win.

I was at the cardiologist office when I heard the news. I was like wow, he was only 43 I think.

[A.J.]

I had to turn off the clip of his mother speaking to the press. That was way too heartbreaking to watch.

[spoon]

I had to turn off the clip of his mother speaking to the press. That was way too heartbreaking to watch.

So tough. Watching that interview with Marcellus Whiley was REAL tough to see too. You can tell just how much this guy touched people's lives, but hid all his own issues.

[A.J.]

So tough. Watching that interview with Marcellus Whiley was REAL tough to see too. You can tell just how much this guy touched people's lives, but hid all his own issues.

Oh yeah. When he was like "why didn't you come to us and ask for help", I damn near lost it.

[Snoogans]

deadspin ran this email today from a marine who was at Camp Pendelton:

On my final day of a business trip last year to the Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton, Calif., I was walking along the Oceanside Harbor in search of a place to eat and have a few beers. In the mood for something simple I had hoped to find a small bar that served food and was not too crowded. I came across exactly that—a small bar with maybe six customers inside. Sitting next to me at the bar were three large men of Samoan decent who were laughing and having a good time with the bartender. I wasn't sure at first, but then after a double-take it clicked in my head that I was sitting with Junior Seau. He was a monster of a man, wearing a ball cap and all smiles. I couldn't believe that I was sitting next to one of my favorite football players growing up as a kid. The same linebacker that I impersonated for years on all my football video games.

After a few minutes, the older of the three Samoan men had asked what I was up to in Oceanside and I had told him that I was a Captain in the Marines headed back to my home station at Camp Lejeune, N.C. Junior Seau interrupted and said, "Wow, man. I really admire what you do. You guys are real heroes." Starstruck for a moment, I didn't know how to respond. Did one of my childhood heroes really just call me a hero? He did indeed, and refused to let me pay for my dinner or any more drinks for the night. I was surprised to find out that Junior Seau was not only a former member of the Patriots, he was an American patriot.

Junior then introduced me to the other two men sitting with him, his cousin and his uncle. I couldn't believe how sincerely interested Junior and his family were about my military service. They asked about helicopters, machine guns, parachuting and even expressed gratitude towards military families and specifically spouses for enduring such hardship during a time of war.

After a couple of hours of talking, Junior then began to brag about his musical talent. That he had sat "first chair" in his high school band and that was something most people didn't know about him. I called him on it and he was up to the challenge. Junior said, "You sit right there, Captain, I'm gonna go to my car and get my ukulele. We're gonna spread some joy around here." I didn't know it at the time, but over the next two hours the way in which I look at football players would be changed forever.

Junior returned to the bar with his Ukulele and started to play. The tune from "Brown-Eyed Girl" was coming from Junior's Ukulele at it was surprisingly good. Then, he started to sing ... and he was amazing. One of the most ferocious tacklers in the history of football was playing a ukulele in an empty bar at 11:00 p.m. and serenading the few that remained. He then started to play some more and his cousin and uncle joined in the chorus. They were a harmonic family full of melodies ... and they were good—real good.

We sat there for another two hours, talking, listening to Junior and his uncle play the ukulele and having a good time. Time and again, Junior thanked me for my service and reminded me how proud he was that his hometown was in the heart of Marine Corps territory, just outside Camp Pendleton. I tried to remind Junior that I was the one that was thankful for the evening. That I was amazed at how real of a person Junior Seau was and not just No. 55 on my television screen on Sunday afternoons. Junior Seau was a man of smiles, laughter, family, respect and he loved his country.

It's troubling to hear of the passing of another great NFL football player at an age so young. But I'm especially sad to hear that it was Junior Seau who had passed. A man who for one evening last year I had the opportunity to meet and come to admire. The day after I met Junior last year, I began to follow his non-football charity exploits and grew to respect him even further.

I hope this story will aid in an attempt to remember not only a linebacker but a fun, loving person as well.

Albert S. Flores Jr.

[hanso]

Tony Sparano on Dolphins vs. Jets Wildcat

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/41956/tony-sparano-on-dolphins-vs-jets-wildcat

Looking like it might happen (please call it someting on the lines of ''wildfat' for Rex)

[cougarjake13]

Still think Tebow takes over by mid season

[Kevin]

Still think Tebow takes over by mid season

God I hope so.

[KnoxHarrington]

Still think Tebow takes over by mid season

I can see it going down like this: the Jets get off to a disappointing start, something like, I dunno, 3-3, 2-4, whatever. Sanchez is shaky in at least some of those games. The pressure to put in Tebow mounts, and Ryan gives in.

The first couple of games with the wildcat, the Jets look good, and win a couple of games. And the move to put in Tebow is praised, and the media fellatio for him grows to nauseating proportions.

But then other defensive coordinators around the league review the tape of the Wildfat (to use the term from above that I love), shut it down, and Tebow goes back to looking like just a shitty quarterback again, and the Jets lose their last few games and miss the playoffs.

That would be epic to watch.

[hanso]

Still think Tebow takes over by mid season

Hope he gets his wind up to look better than Heath
Bell's.

media fellatio for him grows to nauseating proportions. Lol

[hanso]

Rex Grossman Happy To Take An Afternoon To Teach Robert Griffin III Everything He Knows

http://www.theonion.com/articles/rex-grossman-happy-to-take-an-afternoon-to-teach-r,28090/

Nice of RG1 to show RG3 what's what.


Jacksonville 3rd-Round Pick Punter Bryan Anger: 'I Will Punt The Jaguars To Greatness'

http://www.theonion.com/articles/jacksonville-3rdround-pick-punter-bryan-anger-i-wi,28088/

What a pick by Jax., Anger is the man.

[PapaBear]

Jacksonville 3rd-Round Pick Punter Bryan Anger: 'I Will Punt The Jaguars To Greatness'

http://www.theonion.com/articles/jacksonville-3rdround-pick-punter-bryan-anger-i-wi,28088/

What a pick by Jax., Anger is the man.
"This is the year they punt themselves into the spotlight. I will do everything I can to make sure the Jaguars and punting will soon be seen as one and the same." Anger also promised fans that, as their punter—and therefore the leader of the punt team—he would be the very model of a Jacksonville Jaguar, adding that they should "get used to me, because they're going to be hearing the name Bryan Anger all the time in years to come."


Is he just being silly, or is he promising that the Jags will never get a first down?

[underdog]

Please tell me we're not having serious discussions about onion articles here.