2012 NFL Off Season Discussion Thread [Archive]

PapaBear

02-03-2012, 10:24 PM

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GO SKINS IN 2012!!! :flush:

cougarjake13

02-04-2012, 03:01 AM

GO SKINS IN 2012!!! :flush:

maybe if u get peyton

Snacks

02-04-2012, 06:20 AM

some recent news updates about manning and where he could play. i would love to see him go to miami but its scary at his possible price tag unless he goes on performance based which he might have to based on salary cap concerns by most teams.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/1493/peyton-manning

Citing two sources, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports Miami is on the "short list" of places Peyton Manning would be willing to play if released by the Colts.

A Dolphins source tells the Miami Herald that Peyton Manning has indicated several times throughout his career positive feelings for South Florida.
"His wife is also a big fan of the area," the source said. "He likes the area. He likes the vibe of the area more than you might think. They own a condo down here." Manning will have plenty of time to spend in the area when his career is over. Expect offensive personnel, franchise stability, and quality coaching to trump geography on Manning's list of priorities.

NFL Network analyst Marshall Faulk believes Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is "too much of a control freak" to allow Peyton Manning to "come run his offense, do his thing."
"And I'm not quite sure if Kyle Shanahan could call in the play to Peyton and have Peyton listen to him," added Faulk. Manning is three years older than Kyle Shanahan. Perhaps a bigger concern is that the Redskins offense is nearly devoid of above average talent, and Manning will likely be calling his own shots in free agency.

hanso

02-04-2012, 06:42 AM

It is Was.then Mia. if I heard right.

Snacks

02-04-2012, 06:46 AM

It is Was.then Mia. if I heard right.

huh?

cougarjake13

02-04-2012, 09:24 AM

As long as pops manning has no issues with both brothers in ny then he'll be a jet

Print it

spe5150

02-04-2012, 09:43 AM

Snoogans

02-04-2012, 09:48 AM

spe5150

02-04-2012, 09:54 AM

Radio row. Chris walked by as Mike was coming out of commercial & Mike invited him to sit down & he did for about 20 minutes (just like he did last year, I think).

Snacks

02-04-2012, 09:59 AM

cougarjake13

02-04-2012, 10:55 AM

I forget where the story came from but allegedly Archie didn't want the chargers to draft Eli bc Peyton was in afc and that's why he wanted giants and also bc of bigger market bit sd is near la so that's not sensical but if that's true then there's no way he goes to Washington in Eli's division let one conference and although he may not want them both in same town I can see him making a pass and be ok with jets but Miami does seem like best fit

Got a stud we in b marsh good rb in bush draft or trade for a decent tight end and offensively he'll be good
Then you could have Brady vs Peyton twice a year

hanso

02-04-2012, 12:04 PM

huh?

Where he goes (what you had posted)

The top of the list. Was. Mia. Ari.

Hou. could snake him out of nowhere. I heard this am on talk radio Hank Goldberg

TripleSkeet

02-04-2012, 12:12 PM

This isnt a kid coming out of college and signing his first contract. Im pretty sure Peytons going to go where he wants to go, not where Archie wants him to go. That being said, for about the NFC east because I just dont see him wanting to fight over a playoff spot with his brother every year.

spe5150

02-04-2012, 01:32 PM

This isnt a kid coming out of college and signing his first contract. Im pretty sure Peytons going to go where he wants to go, not where Archie wants him to go. That being said, for about the NFC east because I just dont see him wanting to fight over a playoff spot with his brother every year.

Exactly...so Washington is probably out.

I also don't think he & Eli want to spend every minute of the regular season having every moment of their lives compared, dissected, observed under the microscope of media market #1, therefore a really good option in the NY Jets becomes a lot less attractive.

Then there's Arizona. A chance to throw to one of the three best WRs in the league, a lovely new stadium, and just about nothing else.

I'm sure people can think of a few others (Houston was apparently mentioned recently), but when you look at everything the best option appears to be Miami. Decent defense. Pretty good WR1. Warm weather city. AFC team, so the only chance to meet lil' bro in the playoffs is in the Super Bowl. AFC East team, so the NFL can salivate over Peyton/Brady at least twice a year right off the bat. A franchise with some mystique & history, especially at QB. It just makes sense from every angle I can think of.

It's something I hate to admit because if Peyton comes back & plays anywhere near his previous level it will make my life a living hell listening to cousin Snacks rosterbate over his beloved Dolphins...but it is what it is...the Phins are the best fit.

hanso

02-04-2012, 01:58 PM

Exactly...so Washington is probably out.

I also don't think he & Eli want to spend every minute of the regular season having every moment of their lives compared, dissected, observed under the microscope of media market #1, therefore a really good option in the NY Jets becomes a lot less attractive.

Then there's Arizona. A chance to throw to one of the three best WRs in the league, a lovely new stadium, and just about nothing else.

I'm sure people can think of a few others (Houston was apparently mentioned recently), but when you look at everything the best option appears to be Miami. Decent defense. Pretty good WR1. Warm weather city. AFC team, so the only chance to meet lil' bro in the playoffs is in the Super Bowl. AFC East team, so the NFL can salivate over Peyton/Brady at least twice a year right off the bat. A franchise with some mystique & history, especially at QB. It just makes sense from every angle I can think of.

It's something I hate to admit because if Peyton comes back & plays anywhere near his previous level it will make my life a living hell listening to cousin Snacks rosterbate over his beloved Dolphins...but it is what it is...the Phins are the best fit.

Ind plays Mia this coming season.

Snoogans

02-04-2012, 04:56 PM

ok, ill start by sayin i like Curtis Martin. I think he should be in the HOF and so i dont have a problem with that. BUT HOW THE FUCK IS CURTIS MARTIN IN THE GODDAMN HOF AND CRIS CARTER STILL ISNT.

Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf.

CORTEZ FUCKIN KENNEDY

WHY THE FUCK ISNT CRIS CARTER IN THE GODDAMN HOF?????????

cougarjake13

02-04-2012, 05:01 PM

Wow that's shit

Snacks

02-04-2012, 06:15 PM

Exactly...so Washington is probably out.

I also don't think he & Eli want to spend every minute of the regular season having every moment of their lives compared, dissected, observed under the microscope of media market #1, therefore a really good option in the NY Jets becomes a lot less attractive.

Then there's Arizona. A chance to throw to one of the three best WRs in the league, a lovely new stadium, and just about nothing else.

I'm sure people can think of a few others (Houston was apparently mentioned recently), but when you look at everything the best option appears to be Miami. Decent defense. Pretty good WR1. Warm weather city. AFC team, so the only chance to meet lil' bro in the playoffs is in the Super Bowl. AFC East team, so the NFL can salivate over Peyton/Brady at least twice a year right off the bat. A franchise with some mystique & history, especially at QB. It just makes sense from every angle I can think of.

It's something I hate to admit because if Peyton comes back & plays anywhere near his previous level it will make my life a living hell listening to cousin Snacks rosterbate over his beloved Dolphins...but it is what it is...the Phins are the best fit.

once again sounds exactly like my discussion and my thoughts a few weeks back. but i guess homers only think miami is the best fit so the more people that come out saying this the more of us that are wrong.

Snacks

02-04-2012, 06:17 PM

ok, ill start by sayin i like Curtis Martin. I think he should be in the HOF and so i dont have a problem with that. BUT HOW THE FUCK IS CURTIS MARTIN IN THE GODDAMN HOF AND CRIS CARTER STILL ISNT.

Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf.

CORTEZ FUCKIN KENNEDY

WHY THE FUCK ISNT CRIS CARTER IN THE GODDAMN HOF?????????

really? again? there is no way this could be happening still. he was a fucking beast and not only 1 of the best of his era but he is 1 of the best all time.

spoon

02-04-2012, 06:58 PM

hanso

02-04-2012, 07:27 PM

ooooo mike said one quick blurb manning might play for the dolphins! ha! it must be fact then!

that guy is always right and boy did they dig deep into the data.

miami is nowhere near competing in division, much less in the AFC/NFL

i doubt highly it's the lead pack still and Snacks is indeed being a homer. nobody once said they wouldn't be in the running, almost any team with any kind of hole or possible desire for an upgrade run would at least look into adding Manning. the problem is one guy just thinks it's all miami bc he IS a homer and every time it's even mentioned he blows a load in his pants. he's even got his cousin in on the bullshit, but I have to watch the jokes bc I might get a COMPLETELY IDIOTIC pm from him if I make a joke or rip him too much filled with righteous indignation and bullshit ties to shit not even HINTED at.

so yah snacks let's bring it back up and be snarky bc some fat radio host and FLORIDA papers hint at it. Guess what, you can say plenty about the Jets too, but most here aren't claiming it's the "best fit" and it's confirmed bc it's hinted at. I'm sure Denver, Cleveland, Minny, Washington, Jax, Tenn, Oakland, KC, TB, St. Louis, Zona and Seattle wouldn't even kick the tires. Hell, surely teams like NYJ, Houston, Baltimore and SF wouldn't even fathom the thought of landing this guy while strong and give it a run for a few years too right? No team close lacking at the QB position would even think of that right? It's clearly Miami where he'd land bc he's the rare person that has property or vacations in Florida and Miami...how odd.

Just stop. Can it happen? Sure. But this "BEST FIT" shit is fucking stupid and beyond comical linked to a 2 second blurb by a guy just bs'ing on the damn subject in odd air bt ex radio hosts.

How bout this?
They have the 15 Mil cap space and he is the owners #1 choice.

Kevin

02-04-2012, 09:05 PM

ok, ill start by sayin i like Curtis Martin. I think he should be in the HOF and so i dont have a problem with that. BUT HOW THE FUCK IS CURTIS MARTIN IN THE GODDAMN HOF AND CRIS CARTER STILL ISNT.

Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf.

CORTEZ FUCKIN KENNEDY

WHY THE FUCK ISNT CRIS CARTER IN THE GODDAMN HOF?????????

You better watch or Cortez Kennedy will find your house.

Anyone else remember that awful espn watch campaign?

TripleSkeet

02-04-2012, 10:17 PM

Exactly...so Washington is probably out.

I also don't think he & Eli want to spend every minute of the regular season having every moment of their lives compared, dissected, observed under the microscope of media market #1, therefore a really good option in the NY Jets becomes a lot less attractive.

Then there's Arizona. A chance to throw to one of the three best WRs in the league, a lovely new stadium, and just about nothing else.

I'm sure people can think of a few others (Houston was apparently mentioned recently), but when you look at everything the best option appears to be Miami. Decent defense. Pretty good WR1. Warm weather city. AFC team, so the only chance to meet lil' bro in the playoffs is in the Super Bowl. AFC East team, so the NFL can salivate over Peyton/Brady at least twice a year right off the bat. A franchise with some mystique & history, especially at QB. It just makes sense from every angle I can think of.

It's something I hate to admit because if Peyton comes back & plays anywhere near his previous level it will make my life a living hell listening to cousin Snacks rosterbate over his beloved Dolphins...but it is what it is...the Phins are the best fit.

There is a couple of things not mentioned. A new coaching staff this year always brings up questions. Also, its a tough division to play in. The Jets and Bills are pretty tough and New England will be a contender for the division every year. Houston would probably be a better fit actually.

Snacks

02-04-2012, 10:21 PM

There is a couple of things not mentioned. A new coaching staff this year always brings up questions. Also, its a tough division to play in. The Jets and Bills are pretty tough and New England will be a contender for the division every year. Houston would probably be a better fit actually.

is Schaubs career over or is he a free agent? if not how could they afford both of them? thats the thing many teams that might want him cant afford him especially if they have an above avg priced qb already under contract. A lot of talk about him going to the jets but other then the fact that I dont see him wanting to play in the same city as his brother they have no cap room.

Kevin

02-05-2012, 01:36 AM

Peyton will be playing for that world champion head coach Marty Schottenheimer!

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 06:44 AM

is Schaubs career over or is he a free agent? if not how could they afford both of them? thats the thing many teams that might want him cant afford him especially if they have an above avg priced qb already under contract. A lot of talk about him going to the jets but other then the fact that I dont see him wanting to play in the same city as his brother they have no cap room.

In the great world of the nfl you can just drop a guy and owe him nothing else so if he has a roster bonus like Peyton just drop him before that and u only owe Schaumburg whatever uve already paid

Snacks

02-05-2012, 06:46 AM

In the great world of the nfl you can just drop a guy and owe him nothing else so if he has a roster bonus like Peyton just drop him before that and u only owe Schaumburg whatever uve already paid

True but it depends on contracts. He might have x amount still guaranteed and there are some contracts that still count against your cap # even if you cut them. I dont know what schaubs contract terms are, is he has a huge guarantee or huge cap #.

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 06:54 AM

He was owed a 10 mil bonus in 2010 which Houston picked up and he had 3 yrs left at 28 mil which would be 2011 2012 and 2013
Says nothing bout guaranteed money

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 06:54 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4884411

Snacks

02-05-2012, 07:01 AM

rotoworld has him being a free agent in 2013 and only under contract for 2012 at $7.15 million. If thats all hes owed then they do become an option because they would have to sign him to a long term deal after next season anyway. So if your choice is a healthy manning or schaub im sure they would take manning.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/16/matt-schaub

Snacks

02-05-2012, 07:05 AM

I would love to see Payton sign with miami but this could hurt them if they put all their eggs in 1 basket. Sounds like Ross will wait or do just about anything to sign manning if hes released.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/02/sunday-buzz-column-with-the-dolphins-trying-to-upgrade-their-offense-especially-at-quarterback-right-tackle-right-guar.html

If the Dolphins are led to believe by agent Tom Condon that they’re a serious contender for Manning when he's released – and that his arm should be strong enough by the start of the season – then they are expected to wait as long as necessary on Manning if he doesn't make a decision quickly. That's because owner Stephen Ross is infatuated with the idea of signing him. The Dolphins believe they have a realistic chance of luring Manning, who owns a condo in South Beach and has an affinity for South Florida.

If Manning doesn't choose a new team by March 13, the Dolphins would risk losing out on Flynn, whom they like but have clearly less conviction about than Manning. But that would not concern the Dolphins if they believe they can land Manning.

hanso

02-05-2012, 08:09 AM

I would love to see Payton sign with miami but this could hurt them if they put all their eggs in 1 basket. Sounds like Ross will wait or do just about anything to sign manning if hes released.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/sports-buzz/2012/02/sunday-buzz-column-with-the-dolphins-trying-to-upgrade-their-offense-especially-at-quarterback-right-tackle-right-guar.html

Give a ton of picks for RG3 would be the third egg in basket.

Jeff Ireland on Robert Griffin III and their Baylor connections –

"Robert Griffin III shares a Baylor connection with Dolphins GM Jeff Ireland ...'

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_seasonticket/2012/01/jeff-ireland-on-robert-griffin-iii-and-their-baylor-connections.html

Whoever it is they do need a QB bad.

spoon

02-05-2012, 08:14 AM

long term, flynn makes WAY more sense and is a better fit...especially when you consider the Manning cost and his age/injury concerns. add to this that miami needs time, something Peyton does not have much of, and it's not the best fit

spoon

02-05-2012, 08:15 AM

How bout this?
They have the 15 Mil cap space and he is the owners #1 choice.

an owner wanting something doesn't make it the best fit

that same owner wanted fisher and gruden...how'd that "perfect fit" work out?

hanso

02-05-2012, 08:47 AM

an owner wanting something doesn't make it the best fit

that same owner wanted fisher and gruden...how'd that "perfect fit" work out?

Never said anything on 'fit'. Looking at it by chocie/chances. They have the cap space with allowing everyone else on team back.

Of course it comes down to what said potential player/coach wants as well.

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 10:23 AM

In this order I'd go after manning if nothing pans out there I'd draft rg3

Matt Flynn is 2012 Matt cassel

Kevin

02-05-2012, 11:55 AM

Not even Cassel.

Cassel had at least a season, this dude had1 game in where the entire game was extended garbage time.

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 11:59 AM

True and I thought of that afterwards

Maybe Kevin kolb is more appropriate

sailor

02-05-2012, 12:17 PM

True and I thought of that afterwards

Maybe Kevin kolb is more appropriate

mr 30 td's?

Kevin

02-05-2012, 12:19 PM

mr 30 td's?

No no

35.

sailor

02-05-2012, 12:21 PM

No no

35.

even crazier than i remember.

hanso

02-05-2012, 12:23 PM

Never said anything on 'fit'. Looking at it by chocie/chances. They have the cap space with allowing everyone else on team back.

Of course it comes down to what said potential player/coach wants as well.

So much for that.
Now there is this.

"According to an Adam Schefter report, sources close to Peyton Manning are saying, if the Indianapolis Colts were to release him, he would be willing to work a "flexible" contract with his new team. Basically, Manning would work a deal that would guarantee little money, with most of the salary in either roster bonuses, or on the field performance incentives. This could alleviate a lot of the health concerns teams may have for Manning"

Well Mia. could use money saved for players PM might want.

Snoogans

02-05-2012, 12:47 PM

even crazier than i remember.

does kolb even have 35 total TDs yet?

TripleSkeet

02-05-2012, 12:53 PM

even crazier than i remember.

You were right the first time, it was 30.

sailor

02-05-2012, 01:29 PM

You were right the first time, it was 30.

Sweet! Just as crazy as I remembered.

spoon

02-05-2012, 02:49 PM

Sweet! Just as crazy as I remembered.

not so sure on that...but either way just crazy talk like sailor said, and an easy winning bet

cougarjake13

02-05-2012, 03:07 PM

does kolb even have 35 total TDs yet?

I doubt it

PapaBear

02-05-2012, 11:17 PM

not so sure on that...but either way just crazy talk like sailor said, and an easy winning bet
THIRRRRRRSTY!!!!

Yeah... I know. I was late on paying off every time. I just wanted to bring up the thirsty thing, since you did it to me. :drunk:

Gvac

02-06-2012, 02:27 AM

I'm actually thinking of rooting for the home team for once in my life and becoming a Titans fan next season.

Maybe it will rekindle my love for football.

Not having a real rooting interest has made me like the sport a lot less. I find it incredibly boring these days.

cougarjake13

02-06-2012, 02:53 AM

I'm actually thinking of rooting for the home team for once in my life and becoming a Titans fan next season.

Maybe it will rekindle my love for football.

Not having a real rooting interest has made me like the sport a lot less. I find it incredibly boring these days.

Titans have a good team and with peyton and colts down all they have to contend with is Houston

weekapaugjz

02-06-2012, 03:35 AM

ok, ill start by sayin i like Curtis Martin. I think he should be in the HOF and so i dont have a problem with that. BUT HOW THE FUCK IS CURTIS MARTIN IN THE GODDAMN HOF AND CRIS CARTER STILL ISNT.

Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf.

CORTEZ FUCKIN KENNEDY

WHY THE FUCK ISNT CRIS CARTER IN THE GODDAMN HOF?????????

and still no andre reed.

Snacks

02-06-2012, 04:02 AM

http://i.minus.com/ibkvW21PNihR0g.gif

cougarjake13

02-06-2012, 04:52 AM

Priceless

Sinestro

02-06-2012, 05:30 AM

http://i.minus.com/ibkvW21PNihR0g.gif

did the last person wearing the NE jersey push the girl while she was bending down to get something? or tap her ass?

any chances of the JETS signing any of the Giants free agents?

HBox

02-06-2012, 05:40 AM

did the last person wearing the NE jersey push the girl while she was bending down to get something? or tap her ass?

any chances of the JETS signing any of the Giants free agents?

Mario Manningham seems like a PERFECT fit in every good and bad way.

And I think that guy did both. He pushed and got a nice handful of ass for his pleasure.

Snacks

02-06-2012, 06:16 AM

did the last person wearing the NE jersey push the girl while she was bending down to get something? or tap her ass?

any chances of the JETS signing any of the Giants free agents?

it looks like the kid in the gronk jersey pushed / shoved the girl out of the way. i wouldnt be surprised is they are krafts grandchildren and the fat kid in the gronk jersey was pushing his sister or cousin because he was all pissed.

underdog

02-06-2012, 11:58 AM

http://i.minus.com/ibkvW21PNihR0g.gif

Jesus. That's fucking heartbreaking.

HBox

02-06-2012, 01:26 PM

Jesus. That's fucking heartbreaking.

That's not even the whole thing either. They cut off the beginning where he's watching the hail mary and for a second he think it gonna get caught. Then when it's clear that it's hit the ground all emotion leaves his body and the two dickwads sitting next to him shoot out of their seats and go talk to someone else and leave him alone there to be miserable.

cougarjake13

02-06-2012, 02:01 PM

did the last person wearing the NE jersey push the girl while she was bending down to get something? or tap her ass?

any chances of the JETS signing any of the Giants free agents?

Looks like he pushed

cougarjake13

02-06-2012, 02:03 PM

Mario Manningham seems like a PERFECT fit in every good and bad way.

And I think that guy did both. He pushed and got a nice handful of ass for his pleasure.

Nvr hear Mario talk much and he sounds completely like a thug

Kevin

02-06-2012, 02:06 PM

Nvr hear Mario talk much and he sounds completely like a thug

He even downplayed that catch he said he just caught itm gave credit to Eli.

If that were holmes or others they woulda made that the greatest catch in the history of the game.

TripleSkeet

02-06-2012, 08:05 PM

http://i.minus.com/ibkvW21PNihR0g.gif

Say what you want about Kraft, but hes a credit to this league and a class act. If I had to pick any NFL owner to own my franchise, he would be it.

hanso

02-06-2012, 08:59 PM

Nvr hear Mario talk much and he sounds completely like a thug

Just saw the wide shot of this. He was holding two young kids when he said it...yesh!

cougarjake13

02-07-2012, 02:22 AM

Seems like an ok guy but his voice and tone just sounds opposite

Tenbatsuzen

02-07-2012, 05:57 PM

Jesus. That's fucking heartbreaking.

God, I want to make a Sad Bob Kraft meme. Already "Bradying" is becoming a thing now.

Gvac

02-08-2012, 02:37 AM

2012 NFL DRAFT ORDER

1. Indianapolis Colts
2. St. Louis Rams
3. Minnesota Vikings
4. Cleveland Browns
5. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
6. Washington Redskins
7. Jacksonville Jaguars
8. Carolina Panthers #
9. Miami Dolphins #
10. Buffalo Bills
11. Kansas City Chiefs #
12. Seattle Seahawks #
13. Arizona Cardinals
14. Dallas Cowboys
15. Philadelphia Eagles
16. New York Jets
17. Oakland Raiders
18. San Diego Chargers
19. Chicago Bears
20. Tennessee Titans
21. Cincinnati Bengals
22. Atlanta Falcons
23. Detroit Lions
24. Pittsburgh Steelers
25. Denver Broncos
26. Houston Texans
27. New Orleans Saints
28. Green Bay Packers
29. Baltimore Ravens
30. San Francisco 49ers
31. New England Patriots
32. New York Giants

# - Subject to Coin Flip

cougarjake13

02-08-2012, 03:24 AM

Love it when my team is last in first round

Earlshog

02-08-2012, 06:39 AM

Love it when my team is last in first round

:clap:

Snacks

02-08-2012, 09:20 AM

Love it when my team is last in first round

If it went by record I wonder where you guys would be picking? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the draft like 17th or so?

Im happy for you NYG fans and the fact that a 9-7 team won gives a lot of other teams hope that they could win and turn it around quickly but it is kind of fucked up that a 9-7 team with the worst ranked running attack and 26th ranked defense won the SB. Times have changed!

Snoogans

02-08-2012, 09:31 AM

If it went by record I wonder where you guys would be picking? Maybe somewhere in the middle of the draft like 17th or so?

Im happy for you NYG fans and the fact that a 9-7 team won gives a lot of other teams hope that they could win and turn it around quickly but it is kind of fucked up that a 9-7 team with the worst ranked running attack and 26th ranked defense won the SB. Times have changed!

i believe 20th. 12 teams make the playoffs so all the first 19 spots are the teams that didnt make it. There may have been a team or 2 that had a better record in the AFC and didnt make it, but i believe they were all 9-7 at best

cougarjake13

02-08-2012, 09:37 AM

i believe 20th. 12 teams make the playoffs so all the first 19 spots are the teams that didnt make it. There may have been a team or 2 that had a better record in the AFC and didnt make it, but i believe they were all 9-7 at best

Titans are 20 th and didn't make playoffs and were 9-7
Bengals are next at 21 made playoffs and were 9-7

Broncos were 8-8 but made playoff and won a game and wouldn't be at 25 if it went by record

So somewhere round there

KnoxHarrington

02-08-2012, 09:39 AM

Love it when my team is last in first round

That's usually a good thing unless your team is the Redskins, which means that they probably traded away what would have been a #3 or #4 pick to get some past-his-prime bum.

cougarjake13

02-08-2012, 09:40 AM

That's usually a good thing unless your team is the Redskins, which means that they probably traded away what would have been a #3 or #4 pick to get some past-his-prime bum.

Yeh unfortunately there's that

Snacks

02-08-2012, 10:35 AM

Damn them homers saying Peyton will go to Miami? Even in Washington they are saying it and saying exactly what I said. I never said he was definitley going to Miami but I did say the best fit for him was probably Miami, not as a Miami fan but evaluating the entire league imo that is the best fit or may I say the place I felt/feel he would go for many reasons

And yet one of the reasons I said he wouldnt go to Washington it comes out in this article.

http://wexaminerd7.prod.acquia-sites.com/sports/redskins-confidential/2012/02/eyeing-qbs-peyton-manning/247151

The article is long but gives reasons for him going to Wash (not many) and why he wouldnt. But 1 of the things I and many have said is he wouldnt want to play against Eli. Turns out that might be true among other reasons like miami having a better overall team with better play makers and defense.

Others have attractive situations: Miami has more playmakers on offense and a solid defense.

One NFL source said that it was tough for Manning to play his younger brother in the past; would he want to do that twice a year if he has another choice? If he signed with Miami, he could stay in a conference he knows and face teams he’s familiar with. He has a home in Miami (and has since 2007). Maybe Joe Philbin comes from the Packers system, but he’s a rookie head coach. If the owner signs Manning – and it sounds as if he wants to – then the owner will demand that he craft an offense for him. And Philbin will say, ‘Yes sir.’ Why? Because he’s a first year coach who has no power. And while the Redskins can improve through other means so, too, can other teams who are starting with a higher talent base. The Jets, if they want to unload Mark Sanchez, could be an option. They have explosive talent -- but also locker room issues with some of that same talent. They do have a top-5 defense.

tough to bet against a Dan Snyder/Shanahan combo. But right now I’d probably lean toward him going to Miami. That seems to make more sense, at least for now

Sometimes we should let others state their opinion without attacking every word or opinion and admit when we are wrong. Thats not saying he wont go elsewhere or even Wash but the original argument is "The best overall fit for him"!

Snacks

02-08-2012, 10:55 AM

I personally think he might be a better fit for NE. They need another tall wr and he will be cheap compared to others. But philly would be a good place for him as well.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/19/plaxico-burress

TheSidelineView.com's Adam Caplan expects the Eagles to pursue free agent Plaxico Burress this offseason.
It was no secret last offseason that Burress wanted to play for the Eagles, leaving prison in a Philly ball cap amid multiple reports that they wanted him. The Jets won a bidding war, giving Plax over $3 million guaranteed. Caplan believes Burress could upgrade the team's red-zone offense, and points out that in-house supposed red-zone target Riley Cooper "doesn't fight for the football" enough to excel in that role. The Eagles likely would not be signing Plax as a starter. He'd be a third receiver and inside-the-20s guy. Feb 8 - 11:46 AM

If Jackson is gone they might have to sign plax. So they are going to give Jackson his way with a huge pay raise and trade him? Why?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4659/desean-jackson

The Sideline View's Adam Caplan believes the Eagles will shop DeSean Jackson around the league after placing the franchise tag on the free agent later this month.
NFL Network's Jason LaCanfora has suggested the same scenario several times. Highly respected around the league, Caplan has an especially good read on the Eagles. Should Philly find a trade partner for Jackson, they would likely to turn free agent market or the draft to find a replacement. Feb 8 - 11:44 AM

cougarjake13

02-08-2012, 11:49 AM

Prob is how much are u gonna get if they just franchise tag him then he's only signed for one year and can u even trade a guy you franchise ?

Snacks

02-08-2012, 11:51 AM

Prob is how much are u gonna get if they just franchise tag him then he's only signed for one year and can u even trade a guy you franchise ?

yes, Matt Cassell was traded after being franchised. the reason you franchise them and trade them is to get something in return and the new team then restructures a contract.

cougarjake13

02-08-2012, 11:55 AM

yes, Matt Cassell was traded after being franchised. the reason you franchise them and trade them is to get something in return and the new team then restructures a contract.

Cool I wasn't sure what the rules are its kinda fucked up for the player not only are they getting franchised and not getting a long term deal they're also getting traded somewhere they may not want to go even if it's only for a year

TripleSkeet

02-08-2012, 10:13 PM

I personally think he might be a better fit for NE. They need another tall wr and he will be cheap compared to others. But philly would be a good place for him as well.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/19/plaxico-burress

If Jackson is gone they might have to sign plax. So they are going to give Jackson his way with a huge pay raise and trade him? Why?

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4659/desean-jackson

I have a feeling New England is gonna get Desean Jackson. They have NO deep threat.

Also, not sure if this has been brought up, but why wouldnt San Fran make an effort to go after Manning?

Snacks

02-09-2012, 12:10 AM

I have a feeling New England is gonna get Desean Jackson. They have NO deep threat.

Also, not sure if this has been brought up, but why wouldnt San Fran make an effort to go after Manning?

the only reason I disagree about D Jax going to NE is they need a big, tall wr more then another small wr. They already have Welker who isnt a deep threat but they need some size at wr. They have a great overall receiving core with Gronk, Hernandez and Welker. Welker is a free agent who they will re-sign or franchise. I doubt they are willing to give D Jax the $8-10 mil a year he wants.

As for Peyton to SF. I think the reason you dont hear much about this is they are going to re-sign Alex Smith long term (again) from everything I have read or seen on tv. SF does have a good wr/te combo and a good rb with a good def. It seems like a good fit.

I read something the others day about a comparison between Peyton and Reggie White as free agents. They said when Reggie was a free agent every team in the nfl showed interest. But that wont happen here. The reason was every team could have signed Reggie even if they already had a great DE because you need more then 1 and start more then 1 so signing Reggie would only make your team better. Most teams would love to have Peyton but you can only start 1 QB and many teams have guys and there are many reasons why a lot of teams cant even bother going after Peyton. They even mentioned Arz which could be a good fit but the owner spent way too much getting Kolb as far as picks and money so the article said Arz will not go after Peyton. When I originally gave my opinion on where he would/should go and fit well I looked at all the teams and their current rosters and who they either have starting or will be starting as well as the Eli/Family factor etc. There truly were only like 5 or 6 teams that made any sense and when you took into their current talents, where they played and salary restrictions thats how I came up with Miami being his best fit. Like I said it was only an opinion but weighing his potential choices to ME I thought that would be where he chose. Still dont know if he will and Im sure many things can happen between now and when he signs. I just hope if he does sign with Miami he is at least similar to the player he was in Indy.

How fucked up would it be if after all this Indy decided to keep him? Great for him and Indy because it would be nice to see him stay there but after months of this media watch and nothing happened. The nest few weeks should be interesting!

Snacks

02-09-2012, 09:50 AM

Fuck this doesnt sound too good. This offseason is going to be torture and back and forth wondering if he is healthy or done. I guess we really wont know much til he signs somewhere and plays preseason games.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1059953-nfl-draft-2012-michael-lombardi-on-redskins-rgiii-and-peyton-manning

"He can't throw. I've talked to people who have caught for him, and he can't throw to his left," Lombardi said. "He can't throw across his body because he can't feel it. People that catch the ball for him have said he doesn't really have velocity."

TripleSkeet

02-09-2012, 10:55 AM

How fucked up would it be if after all this Indy decided to keep him? Great for him and Indy because it would be nice to see him stay there but after months of this media watch and nothing happened. The nest few weeks should be interesting!

I just cant see them giving him $28 million and then drafting Luck. I really cant. I would be shocked if he wasnt cut before March 8th.

Ive heard the same thing on his arm strength. His neck is fine supposedly its just that the nerves going down his arm arent healing and he cant throw like he used to. Whoever does sign him (if he doesnt retire) is going to be taking a BIG risk.

cougarjake13

02-09-2012, 02:18 PM

I think the risk will only be in upsetting whatever qb u have that u bringing in Peyton for

Money wide it seems like it'll be more incentive laden contract then what a normal healthy Peyton wuld command

hanso

02-09-2012, 03:11 PM

Thought he would offer a contract like that to show his health, but they are calling him 'noodle arm'.

cougarjake13

02-09-2012, 07:32 PM

Thought he would offer a contract like that to show his health, but they are calling him 'noodle arm'.

hes got plenty of time before season starts for it to get stronger and show that its not noodle no more

hanso

02-09-2012, 08:47 PM

Not no noodle no mo....lol like it!

A.J.

02-10-2012, 06:37 AM

Kevin Youkilis is gonna fuck the shit out of Tom Brady

's sister. (http://bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view.bg?articleid=1402552)

cougarjake13

02-10-2012, 08:35 AM

Wow who knew Brady had a sister

epo

02-22-2012, 05:05 PM

Packers, Finley work out two-year contract (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/packers-finley-work-out-two-year-contract/)

With a potential franchise-tag fight over whether he’s a tight end or a receiver looming, Jermichael Finley and the Packers have come to terms on a new contract.

According to a league source, a two-year deal was finalized on Wednesday. The contract has a total value of just under $15 million

Interesting. This leaves their franchise tag available for Flynn if they have the ability to tag & trade.

Snoogans

02-22-2012, 05:05 PM

Packers, Finley work out two-year contract (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/packers-finley-work-out-two-year-contract/)

Interesting. This leaves their franchise tag available for Flynn if they have the ability to tag & trade.

i wonder if he dropped the pen tryin to sign it

Snacks

02-22-2012, 06:37 PM

Packers, Finley work out two-year contract (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/22/packers-finley-work-out-two-year-contract/)

Interesting. This leaves their franchise tag available for Flynn if they have the ability to tag & trade.

I heard they now think its a risk to franchise him because many teams dont believe he is worth "big bucks" just yet and they might get stuck with him at a huge cap # is no one is willing to take him at what they are asking.

underdog

02-22-2012, 07:50 PM

i wonder if he dropped the pen tryin to sign it

:lol:

epo

02-22-2012, 08:44 PM

I heard they now think its a risk to franchise him because many teams dont believe he is worth "big bucks" just yet and they might get stuck with him at a huge cap # is no one is willing to take him at what they are asking.

Don't worry. If Ted Thompson is willing to do it, it means he likely has the Dolphins just where he wants them.

Snacks

02-22-2012, 09:07 PM

Don't worry. If Ted Thompson is willing to do it, it means he likely has the Dolphins just where he wants them.

we will see but i think it may hurt the trade because hes not worth the money. if the dolphins were smart and im not saying they are they will know all this and make a shitty offer and let them get stuck with him if they dont like miamis offer. gb would be the one needing to make the trade more then any other team wanting him.

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/02/22/green-bay-packers-signing-of-te-jermichael-finley-could-be-bad-news-for-miami-dolphins-pursuit-of-matt-flynn/

But the move would also come with significant risk. The franchise tag for quarterbacks this year is expected to be between $14.3 and $14.9 million, and if Green Bay somehow can’t trade Flynn, it would be stuck paying an exorbitant salary to a backup who might never see the field. And the Packers don’t have much salary cap space as it is — about $5 million before the Finley deal was consummated, though they are expected to create more space soon by cutting pricey veterans.

The Dolphins are a logical landing spot for Flynn simply for the fact that he worked with new Dolphins coach Joe Philbin for the last four years in Green Bay. Seattle also could be in the mix, as it needs a quarterback and general manager John Schneider helped draft Flynn in Green Bay in 2007.

But the franchise/trade scenario could decrease Flynn’s value to other teams, and Green Bay might not have the bidding war it would want for Flynn (especially with several other QB options potentially available, including Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III and Peyton Manning).

And the Dolphins still view Manning as their No. 1 priority and will make a big push for him, assuming he’s healthy and cut by the Colts before he’s set to receive a $28 million bonus on March 8. If the Packers decide to tag-and-trade Flynn, it could cool the Dolphins’ interest in the unproven quarterback, who has just two starts in four NFL seasons. Or, it could leave the Dolphins as the only trading partner after other teams back off.

hanso

02-22-2012, 09:28 PM

Don't worry. If Ted Thompson is willing to do it, it means he likely has the Dolphins just where he wants them.

This is the first step in the Fins getting hosed out of a QB once again. I hope Tannehill is still there for the 2nd pick and the Fins take him.

Earlshog

02-23-2012, 06:44 AM

i wonder if he dropped the pen tryin to sign it

ha-ha he blew out his knee picking it up

CountryBob

02-23-2012, 07:09 AM

Skins need a QB badly too...

Earlshog

02-23-2012, 07:20 AM

Skins need a QB badly too...

So does Cleveland. One will move up to grab RG3, if I were the Skins I'd make that happen, but they are going to have to pony up. Cleveland's pick is more attractive as the Rams could slide back to the 4 and snag Blackmon, as they need a WR in the worst way.

cougarjake13

02-23-2012, 03:10 PM

So does Cleveland. One will move up to grab RG3, if I were the Skins I'd make that happen, but they are going to have to pony up. Cleveland's pick is more attractive as the Rams could slide back to the 4 and snag Blackmon, as they need a WR in the worst way.

Are u saying colt mc coy is not the man?

hanso

02-25-2012, 08:08 PM

The Packers do not plan on Franchise tagging Matt Flynn

According to a source on ESPN Wisconsin they will not franchise him for fear of either not having a trade partner or going into trade talks for a long time and losing out on signing free agents because Flynn would take up 14 million of their cap room. Also the source says that the Packers are not a franchise that runs business that way.

underdog

02-25-2012, 08:21 PM

There's an espn Wisconsin?

Snacks

02-25-2012, 08:39 PM

There's an espn Wisconsin?

why would there be? they still have dial up internet access!

underdog

02-26-2012, 07:51 AM

RGIII's stock is rising. He ran a 4.34 (Vick ran a 4.33 at the combine).

This guy is going to be fun to watch. I hope he goes somewhere that will let him mature and grow, and not ruin his development right away (Washington & Cleveland).

cougarjake13

02-26-2012, 07:56 AM

RGIII's stock is rising. He ran a 4.34 (Vick ran a 4.33 at the combine).

This guy is going to be fun to watch. I hope he goes somewhere that will let him mature and grow, and not ruin his development right away (Washington & Cleveland).

Unfortunately one of them will draft him

underdog

02-26-2012, 08:03 AM

Unfortunately one of them will draft him

I hope Miami goes all out and gets the pick from the Rams.

Or the best move would be the Rams drafting him and trading away Bradford to somewhere else.

Kevin

02-26-2012, 08:07 AM

I hope Miami goes all out and gets the pick from the Rams.

Or the best move would be the Rams drafting him and trading away Bradford to somewhere else.

They won't get nearly as much for future stats as they will for the pick.

His injuries and sub par play, though still a young QB, has dropped his value a ton.

That saying, I'd go for a franchise QB everytime.

Though its a gamble if RG3 is one

cougarjake13

02-26-2012, 08:58 AM

Well well know if Miami is in the running for rg3 depending on what happens to peyton

Snacks

02-26-2012, 09:45 AM

I hope Miami goes all out and gets the pick from the Rams.

Or the best move would be the Rams drafting him and trading away Bradford to somewhere else.

to be honest thats exactly what the rams should do. RG3 will be cheaper and might be better for the team.

Snoogans

02-26-2012, 09:49 AM

to be honest thats exactly what the rams should do. RG3 will be cheaper and might be better for the team.

again, they cant. if they traded bradford this off season, the guaranteed money left would slap st louis salary cap for the tune of around 37 million dollars.

No team can afford to take a 37 mill cap hit for one guy.

Snacks

02-26-2012, 09:55 AM

again, they cant. if they traded bradford this off season, the guaranteed money left would slap st louis salary cap for the tune of around 37 million dollars.

No team can afford to take a 37 mill cap hit for one guy.

so st louis would still be on the hook for that even though they traded him? i would have thought the new team would be responsible since it was a trade. why is that?

if thats the case stl has to trade the pick or draft him and then trade his rights during the draft.

i would rather see miami take rg3 instead of paying more for finley. finley will probably want $8-10 mil per over 5 or 6 years. RG3 would get around what Cam got which would be around 4 years $22 mil.

Snoogans

02-26-2012, 10:01 AM

so st louis would still be on the hook for that even though they traded him? i would have thought the new team would be responsible since it was a trade. why is that?

if thats the case stl has to trade the pick or draft him and then trade his rights during the draft.

i would rather see miami take rg3 instead of paying more for finley. finley will probably want $8-10 mil per over 5 or 6 years. RG3 would get around what Cam got which would be around 4 years $22 mil.

the team you trade the person to is responsible for only the salary. Bonuses which are guaranteed are prorated through out the years of the contract. If you trade a guy, whatever was left that was prorated from the original bonuses hits the cap in one shot. Bradford has a 7 mill roster bonus in 2 years that the new team would eat, but all the rest the rams gave him upfront. so they would have to eat that proration at once to deal him.

that is the reason trades are very rare in the NFL, even more so than cause of the complex playbooks to learn

Kevin

02-26-2012, 11:34 AM

That's why the old rook pay scale was so ridiculous.

Compounded by the fact that Bradford was coming off two injury seasons out of college makes the pick so bad.

A move like that can set a franchise back for years.

underdog

02-26-2012, 12:34 PM

again, they cant. if they traded bradford this off season, the guaranteed money left would slap st louis salary cap for the tune of around 37 million dollars.

No team can afford to take a 37 mill cap hit for one guy.

That blows.

RGIII is going to get ruined.

Although, Holmgren is in charge in Cleveland, right? He might have a chance there.

Snacks

02-26-2012, 12:40 PM

Wouldnt Clev want to go for Finley? They run a west coast offense and RG3 wouldnt fit what they are trying to do. He would fit Washington and what shanahan offense usually needs. He likes mobile QBs who can throw.

Kevin

02-26-2012, 01:14 PM

Anyone who pays anything for Flynn let alone franchise QB money is just plain retarded.

The guy had one good goddamn game in extended garbage time.

Why do teams continue to make just mind boggling stupid decisions like this.

1 meaningless game and you are handing the franchise to this guy?

Snacks

02-26-2012, 01:23 PM

Anyone who pays anything for Flynn let alone franchise QB money is just plain retarded.

The guy had one good goddamn game in extended garbage time.

Why do teams continue to make just mind boggling stupid decisions like this.

1 meaningless game and you are handing the franchise to this guy?

Thats not entirely true. He has played 2 (started) games and played well in both of them. The game this past season he started and played the entire game and broke GB records. The game may have meant nothing to GB but it meant something to the team they were playing (Det) and they played full strength all out against him and he had one of the best games in GBs history!

I do agree he doesnt deserve huge top tier qb money but he is worth taking at mid level nfl starter money. If you can sign him for under $10 million and not a huge guarantee he is worth that chance. I would give him around 4-6 years at around $7 - $8 million a year with only $15 -$20 million guaranteed.

Snoogans

02-26-2012, 05:44 PM

Thats not entirely true. He has played 2 (started) games and played well in both of them. The game this past season he started and played the entire game and broke GB records. The game may have meant nothing to GB but it meant something to the team they were playing (Det) and they played full strength all out against him and he had one of the best games in GBs history!

I do agree he doesnt deserve huge top tier qb money but he is worth taking at mid level nfl starter money. If you can sign him for under $10 million and not a huge guarantee he is worth that chance. I would give him around 4-6 years at around $7 - $8 million a year with only $15 -$20 million guaranteed.

ask epo about flynn, he will tell you its RETARDED. the guy doesnt have a good arm. he has had 2 solid games cause no one was ready to prepare for him, but he cant throw a 20 yard out epo said. he throws like pennington

underdog

02-26-2012, 06:24 PM

ask epo about flynn, he will tell you its RETARDED. the guy doesnt have a good arm. he has had 2 solid games cause no one was ready to prepare for him, but he cant throw a 20 yard out epo said. he throws like pennington

Perfect fit for the Jets or Dolphins!

Snoogans

02-26-2012, 06:31 PM

Perfect fit for the Jets or Dolphins!

they used to run a commercial in NYC, i think it was for citizen watches. And it had eli in Jersey on the bank of the hudson and it had pennington on the manhattan bank.

Eli threw the ball over the river to pennington and he threw it back and all i could think of every time i saw it was it would take him 30 throws just to get it to the fuckin statue of liberty, which despite not really being in between where they were, somehow was in between them in the commercial.

Kevin

02-26-2012, 07:28 PM

they used to run a commercial in NYC, i think it was for citizen watches. And it had eli in Jersey on the bank of the hudson and it had pennington on the manhattan bank.

Eli threw the ball over the river to pennington and he threw it back and all i could think of every time i saw it was it would take him 30 throws just to get it to the fuckin statue of liberty, which despite not really being in between where they were, somehow was in between them in the commercial.

Back then we used to say Eli would get it there but it would wind up all way on the other side or in Philly

His accuracy was balls back then

Kevin

02-26-2012, 07:45 PM

Any also if epo admits someone on his team is terrible, you KNOW he has to be HORRENDOUS.

Like worse than Mark Sanchez HORRENDOUS.

A.J.

02-27-2012, 03:17 AM

RGIII's stock is rising. He ran a 4.34 (Vick ran a 4.33 at the combine).

This guy is going to be fun to watch. I hope he goes somewhere that will let him mature and grow, and not ruin his development right away (Washington & Cleveland).

I was listening to the former WJFK which is now a sports talk channel on the way in this morning and apparently Washington is in talks to trade away their top picks to move up to draft RG3. My question is if they take him, who is he going to throw/hand off to?

cougarjake13

02-27-2012, 03:25 AM

I was listening to the former WJFK which is now a sports talk channel on the way in this morning and apparently Washington is in talks to trade away their top picks to move up to draft RG3. My question is if they take him, who is he going to throw/hand off to?

Helu is one rb

Santana moss mite still be there

But I get ur point

Earlshog

02-27-2012, 06:17 AM

I was listening to the former WJFK which is now a sports talk channel on the way in this morning and apparently Washington is in talks to trade away their top picks to move up to draft RG3. My question is if they take him, who is he going to throw/hand off to?

That is all they talk about on the station (is it me or is every caller black), the Capitals could win the cup and the first call would be about how Grossman sucks.

As we know most top flight QB's don't come into an ideal situation, the reason the team got that great pick to draft is you're bad. With that said if they think RG3 is the real deal, Washington needs to do everything in its power to land him. It doesn't matter who he hands the ball off to or throws it too, you need a good QB to win in the NFL today. The Receivers and RB's are a lot easier to acquire and plug in around the QB than it is vice versa.

With that said with the current roster Helu has tons of upside, Hightower looked good last year before his injury, if he returns to full force with Shananhan as the coach the running game will be fine. As far as receivers you can snag a free agent, They have Moss, Fred Davis is a good looking TE and imagine trying to chase down Griffin and Banks on end around type plays, they will be fine, they just need that QB in the worst way.

A.J.

02-27-2012, 06:26 AM

That is all they talk about on the station (is it me or is every caller black), the Capitals could win the cup and the first call would be about how Grossman sucks.

EVERYTHING is about the Redskins down here.

They still air the Redskins Report TV show on Sundays. And the season is over.

CountryBob

02-27-2012, 06:28 AM

That is all they talk about on the station (is it me or is every caller black), the Capitals could win the cup and the first call would be about how Grossman sucks.

As we know most top flight QB's don't come into an ideal situation, the reason the team got that great pick to draft is you're bad. With that said if they think RG3 is the real deal, Washington needs to do everything in its power to land him. It doesn't matter who he hands the ball off to or throws it too, you need a good QB to win in the NFL today. The Receivers and RB's are a lot easier to acquire and plug in around the QB than it is vice versa.

With that said with the current roster Helu has tons of upside, Hightower looked good last year before his injury, if he returns to full force with Shananhan as the coach the running game will be fine. As far as receivers you can snag a free agent, They have Moss, Fred Davis is a good looking TE and imagine trying to chase down Griffin and Banks on end around type plays, they will be fine, they just need that QB in the worst way.

As a lifelong Redskins fan, I can say I agree with this. You have to have a stud Qb before anything - and the Skins have lacked this for so long. And their record shows it. Trade up, get RG3 and lets bulid a dynasty. Please dont draft a corner back and end up with shit for a QB again this coming year.

Kevin

02-27-2012, 09:36 AM

As a lifelong Redskins fan, I can say I agree with this. You have to have a stud Qb before anything - and the Skins have lacked this for so long. And their record shows it. Trade up, get RG3 and lets bulid a dynasty. Please dont draft a corner back and end up with shit for a QB again this coming year.

Accosri got a ton of shit for the Manning deal and for a few seasons it looked like a mistake because Eli was avg to below avg at best. Especially with his accuracy. But now boy was he right. Its a franchise making or killing gamble, but one you have to take if you ever want to win a SB. You have had instances where an OK QB wins. But its rare and you need an all-time D for it.

Snoogans

02-27-2012, 09:37 AM

Accosri got a ton of shit for the Manning deal and for a few seasons it looked like a mistake because Eli was avg to below avg at best. Especially with his accuracy. But now boy was he right. Its a franchise making or killing gamble, but one you have to take if you ever want to win a SB. You have had instances where an OK QB wins. But its rare and you need an all-time D for it.

come on thats not fair. are you tryin to say you couldnt have won a SB with Dave Brown or Danny Kanell?

Kevin

02-27-2012, 09:49 AM

come on thats not fair. are you tryin to say you couldnt have won a SB with Dave Brown or Danny Kanell?

Please you can't win with Duke BASKETBALL players, let alone football.

cougarjake13

02-27-2012, 10:47 AM

come on thats not fair. are you tryin to say you couldnt have won a SB with Dave Brown or Danny Kanell?

Them no but we were so close with kent graham

Snacks

02-27-2012, 01:52 PM

the team you trade the person to is responsible for only the salary. Bonuses which are guaranteed are prorated through out the years of the contract. If you trade a guy, whatever was left that was prorated from the original bonuses hits the cap in one shot. Bradford has a 7 mill roster bonus in 2 years that the new team would eat, but all the rest the rams gave him upfront. so they would have to eat that proration at once to deal him.

that is the reason trades are very rare in the NFL, even more so than cause of the complex playbooks to learn

I dont know what to believe now. ESPN PTI was just arguing that STL should trade Bradford and draft RG3 too. Not once did they mention anything about it not being able to do it or fit it under the salary cap etc. All they mentioned was how RG3 will be cheaper and has a higher upside.

Snoogs where did you find this about Bradfords cap hit still going against stl not the new team hes traded too? And if everything you said is accurate couldnt they re-do Bradfords contract to make it more cap friendly in order to trade him?

cougarjake13

02-27-2012, 01:56 PM

If I were st Louis I def do that only prob is no ones gonna take Bradford and that contract

Kevin

02-27-2012, 03:08 PM

I dont know what to believe now. ESPN PTI was just arguing that STL should trade Bradford and draft RG3 too. Not once did they mention anything about it not being able to do it or fit it under the salary cap etc. All they mentioned was how RG3 will be cheaper and has a higher upside.

Snoogs where did you find this about Bradfords cap hit still going against stl not the new team hes traded too? And if everything you said is accurate couldnt they re-do Bradfords contract to make it more cap friendly in order to trade him?

Take a look at a layman's attempt to breakdown the cap hit for Bradford

Base Salaries:
2010: $320,000
2011: $405,000
2012: $1,205,000
2013: $2,005,000
2014: $2,805,000
2015: $3,605,000
All of which are guaranteed according to Jim Thomas

Now on to bonuses:
2010 roster bonus: $2,880,000
2011 spring roster bonus: $17,974,000

So that is $10,345,000 in guaranteed base salaries, add in the bonuses and he is at $31,200,000

Escalators in his contract moves his contract from 31.2 million to 78 million. 19 million of which is guaranteed.

So if he were traded or cut all of his guaranteed money comes due immediately.

Base salaries: 9.62 million plus 19 million in new guarantees for a whooping 28.62 million against the cap.

Can this team afford to have almost 29 million in dead money next year?

underdog

02-27-2012, 04:20 PM

I dont know what to believe now. ESPN PTI was just arguing that STL should trade Bradford and draft RG3 too. Not once did they mention anything about it not being able to do it or fit it under the salary cap etc. All they mentioned was how RG3 will be cheaper and has a higher upside.

Snoogs where did you find this about Bradfords cap hit still going against stl not the new team hes traded too? And if everything you said is accurate couldnt they re-do Bradfords contract to make it more cap friendly in order to trade him?

PTI is two people talking about sports who don't know shit about sports. It's like listening to the Davey Mac Sports Program.

Snoogans

02-27-2012, 04:34 PM

I dont know what to believe now. ESPN PTI was just arguing that STL should trade Bradford and draft RG3 too. Not once did they mention anything about it not being able to do it or fit it under the salary cap etc. All they mentioned was how RG3 will be cheaper and has a higher upside.

Snoogs where did you find this about Bradfords cap hit still going against stl not the new team hes traded too? And if everything you said is accurate couldnt they re-do Bradfords contract to make it more cap friendly in order to trade him?

i just know from what he got. they gave him 7 years and like 52 mill guaranteed. i remember them sayin 45 of it was upfront. any money up front gets prorated, so it would hit the cap for around 7.4 mill a year. I was a year off though, he has played 2 years now, so the remaining number would be 52-14.8. So the cap hit right now would be 27.2 million if they cut him. I just know how the rules work from various times i had to look shit up

Snoogans

02-27-2012, 04:37 PM

Take a look at a layman's attempt to breakdown the cap hit for Bradford

Base Salaries:
2010: $320,000
2011: $405,000
2012: $1,205,000
2013: $2,005,000
2014: $2,805,000
2015: $3,605,000
All of which are guaranteed according to Jim Thomas

Now on to bonuses:
2010 roster bonus: $2,880,000
2011 spring roster bonus: $17,974,000

So that is $10,345,000 in guaranteed base salaries, add in the bonuses and he is at $31,200,000

Escalators in his contract moves his contract from 31.2 million to 78 million. 19 million of which is guaranteed.

So if he were traded or cut all of his guaranteed money comes due immediately.

Base salaries: 9.62 million plus 19 million in new guarantees for a whooping 28.62 million against the cap.

Can this team afford to have almost 29 million in dead money next year?

i just know from what he got. they gave him 7 years and like 52 mill guaranteed. i remember them sayin 45 of it was upfront. any money up front gets prorated, so it would hit the cap for around 7.4 mill a year. I was a year off though, he has played 2 years now, so the remaining number would be 52-14.8. So the cap hit right now would be 27.2 million if they cut him. I just know how the rules work from various times i had to look shit up

wow i got pretty damn close just pullin the shit outta what i remembered from 2 years ago when he signed the deal. but yea, the cap hit for this coming year would be somewhere around 27-29

hanso

02-27-2012, 08:40 PM

PTI is two people talking about sports who don't know shit about sports. It's like listening to the Davey Mac Sports Program.

Davey Mac's stat boy buddy could have said something about this at end.

underdog

02-28-2012, 04:15 AM

Davey Mac's stat boy buddy could have said something about this at end.

I like both PTI and the davey mac's sports program, but I don't expect expert opinions from either show.

HBox

02-28-2012, 01:36 PM

The lawyers pursuing the concussion lawsuit against the NFL will have a field day with this: (http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/27/dielman-leaning-toward-retirement/)

Kris Dielman is close to announcing he will retire, people familiar with his intentions said.

Neither the Chargers nor Dielman will confirm it, but even as many close to the team and Dielman seemed convinced he would continue playing, sources confirmed in Indianapolis over the past two days that the All-Pro left guard will reveal his intentions “soon” and is “leaning toward” retirement.

Team sources and people close to Dielman have indicated for weeks that Dielman has completed his medical research and said he appeared ready to play again. Dielman finished 2011 on injured reserve and had for several months been considering retirement following a concussion and seizure he suffered in October.

For those who don't remember, Dielman suffered a concussion on a play, staggered around a bit, went to the sideline, received a brief exam, staggered back out on the field and then on the flight back home after the game suffered that grand mal seizure.

hanso

02-28-2012, 02:53 PM

I like both PTI and the davey mac's sports program, but I don't expect expert opinions from either show.

Never miss it along with around the horn and le batard.

spoon

02-28-2012, 02:59 PM

Never miss it along with around the horn and le batard.

le batard is sooooo fucking awful

:wallbash:

cougarjake13

02-28-2012, 03:10 PM

le batard is sooooo fucking awful

:wallbash:

Watched first show and have never gone back

spoon

02-28-2012, 03:14 PM

Damn them homers saying Peyton will go to Miami? Even in Washington they are saying it and saying exactly what I said. I never said he was definitley going to Miami but I did say the best fit for him was probably Miami, not as a Miami fan but evaluating the entire league imo that is the best fit or may I say the place I felt/feel he would go for many reasons

And yet one of the reasons I said he wouldnt go to Washington it comes out in this article.

http://wexaminerd7.prod.acquia-sites.com/sports/redskins-confidential/2012/02/eyeing-qbs-peyton-manning/247151

The article is long but gives reasons for him going to Wash (not many) and why he wouldnt. But 1 of the things I and many have said is he wouldnt want to play against Eli. Turns out that might be true among other reasons like miami having a better overall team with better play makers and defense.

Sometimes we should let others state their opinion without attacking every word or opinion and admit when we are wrong. Thats not saying he wont go elsewhere or even Wash but the original argument is "The best overall fit for him"!

you're still dead wrong

no matter how many times you parrot the words of others to back it up

oo I better be careful bc snacks cries when you make jokes about him or talk to him like he's a guy and can take some ball busting

obviously this one has hit deep and someone can't get over it

every single time I come back in here he's crying about it

here it is from last time

waaaaa, waaaaa....WAAAAA!

spoon

02-28-2012, 03:17 PM

i wonder if he dropped the pen tryin to sign it

I'm sure he did, as I endured it all year on my fantasy team until Gates came back!

:furious:

hanso

02-28-2012, 09:53 PM

I was listening to the former WJFK which is now a sports talk channel on the way in this morning and apparently Washington is in talks to trade away their top picks to move up to draft RG3. My question is if they take him, who is he going to throw/hand off to?

If they go after Manning - Wayne, and possibly Pierre Garcon.

A.J.

02-29-2012, 03:46 AM

le batard is sooooo fucking awful

:wallbash:

His dad is better.

Snacks

02-29-2012, 11:18 AM

I still like the guy and wish Miami would keep him and give him a chance now with an actual offensive mind at coach who like to pass. I would rather Keep Henne at the $4-$5 million price then sigh Flynn who has less playing time to judge and is going to want about $3 or $4 million more per year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Free-agent-quarterbacks-Chad-Henne-presents-solid-option-022912

Skellington

02-29-2012, 11:45 AM

Does anyone on here keep up with the Redskins? Is Roy Helu still on the team still or is he being traded?

Earlshog

02-29-2012, 12:24 PM

Does anyone on here keep up with the Redskins? Is Roy Helu still on the team still or is he being traded?

:ohmy:

hanso

02-29-2012, 04:07 PM

I still like the guy and wish Miami would keep him and give him a chance now with an actual offensive mind at coach who like to pass. I would rather Keep Henne at the $4-$5 million price then sigh Flynn who has less playing time to judge and is going to want about $3 or $4 million more per year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Free-agent-quarterbacks-Chad-Henne-presents-solid-option-022912

He has been long gone a long time, it's academic. Maybe Lex Hilliard will go to the same team with him and they can practice the hand off.

PapaBear

02-29-2012, 07:00 PM

Does anyone on here keep up with the Redskins? Is Roy Helu still on the team still or is he being traded?
I'm pretty sure they're holding on to him. They like him. A lot!

hanso

02-29-2012, 09:28 PM

Heluuuu!

CountryBob

03-01-2012, 04:35 AM

Helu is hella good!

Earlshog

03-01-2012, 01:02 PM

http://tracking.si.com/2012/03/01/report-eagles-place-franchise-tag-on-desean-jackson/?sct=hp_t2_a2&eref=sihp

Eagles Place Franchise Tag On DeSean Jackson

hanso

03-01-2012, 03:53 PM

Better than the pink slip he deserved.

Kevin

03-01-2012, 08:12 PM

Eh, attitude or not he is a hell of a player. Eagles hope that he will settle down with age.

Even if not you still cant lose him for nothing. If a team wants him enough they can trade for him.

underdog

03-02-2012, 12:50 PM

NFL: Saints defense had 'bounty' fund (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says)

Apparently they're going to get very heavily fined.

I'm not surprised this exists, but I'm surprised that the NFL actually cares.

The good thing is we'll now get to hear a bunch of false outrage over it.

ihaveabadmonkey

03-02-2012, 12:56 PM

The Saints will be made a very big example over this. The NFL is trying to improve their image about safety and these jerk offs are trying to hurt people. bye bye draft picks and lots of cash. they should have to change their name to the Sinners. (rimshot)

underdog

03-02-2012, 01:06 PM

The Saints will be made a very big example over this. The NFL is trying to improve their image about safety and these jerk offs are trying to hurt people. bye bye draft picks and lots of cash. they should have to change their name to the Sinners. (rimshot)

yeah, they're probably going to get hit real hard. Adam Schefter says their punishment will be far worse than the Patriot's punishment for spying.

Snacks

03-02-2012, 01:49 PM

NFL: Saints defense had 'bounty' fund (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says)

Apparently they're going to get very heavily fined.

I'm not surprised this exists, but I'm surprised that the NFL actually cares.

The good thing is we'll now get to hear a bunch of false outrage over it.

I agree, this is todays media that loves to make things seems worse or bigger then they are. I would think this has been going on for years by players, coaches and even team owners.

The Saints will be made a very big example over this. The NFL is trying to improve their image about safety and these jerk offs are trying to hurt people. bye bye draft picks and lots of cash. they should have to change their name to the Sinners. (rimshot)

money is one thing but if they lose picks that will be the nfl making a huge example of them.

yeah, they're probably going to get hit real hard. Adam Schefter says their punishment will be far worse than the Patriot's punishment for spying.

I dont get that. cheating/spying on a team actually takes away from the game but knocking guys out and getting a bonus almost seems like it at least at 1 time was a huge part of the game.

underdog

03-02-2012, 02:08 PM

I dont get that. cheating/spying on a team actually takes away from the game but knocking guys out and getting a bonus almost seems like it at least at 1 time was a huge part of the game.

They just need to make an example out of it. Stuff was discovered like that everyone knew about it but still didn't stop it. I think with the Patriots, they acted like only the coach knew. I also think a lot of teams were spying, but the Patriots got caught and made an example of (which I was ok with - if you're going to break the rule, you need to be prepared for the consequences). The same thing will happen with the Saints. They got caught and now they're fucked. They have no #1 this year, but they'll almost definitely lose 2013 and possibly 2014. Coaches may be suspended and hefty fucking fines coming for the organization and probably Sean Payton.

hanso

03-02-2012, 02:40 PM

I still like the guy and wish Miami would keep him and give him a chance now with an actual offensive mind at coach who like to pass. I would rather Keep Henne at the $4-$5 million price then sigh Flynn who has less playing time to judge and is going to want about $3 or $4 million more per year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Free-agent-quarterbacks-Chad-Henne-presents-solid-option-022912

Henne to the Jets.

NFL: Saints defense had 'bounty' fund (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7638603/new-orleans-saints-defense-had-bounty-program-nfl-says)

Apparently they're going to get very heavily fined.

I'm not surprised this exists, but I'm surprised that the NFL actually cares.

The good thing is we'll now get to hear a bunch of false outrage over it.

They're already screwing with Brees over pay.

spoon

03-02-2012, 05:38 PM

yeah, they're probably going to get hit real hard. Adam Schefter says their punishment will be far worse than the Patriot's punishment for spying.

and to me that's nuts

i love the physical game and miss the ronnie lotts/harrisons of the league

now they get labeled dirty and we're likely never to see another player like that again...think Dunta Robinson

Snacks

03-02-2012, 08:17 PM

and to me that's nuts

i love the physical game and miss the ronnie lotts/harrisons of the league

now they get labeled dirty and we're likely never to see another player like that again...think Dunta Robinson

and the funny thing is you see fans falling for this same shit. now many are calling players dirty that arent because they have been so fooled by this "new safe" football the media and the nfl is trying to sell.

spoon

03-02-2012, 08:30 PM

and the funny thing is you see fans falling for this same shit. now many are calling players dirty that arent because they have been so fooled by this "new safe" football the media and the nfl is trying to sell.

same shit is happening in hockey and it's fucking so bad

at times, my adult beer league hockey is more fucking physical than this incarnation of the NHL

this is all part of the "pussification of America" as sports work to please the fringe fans in an effort to expand versus staying true to it's core and promoting all aspects of what made it great in the first place

:wallbash:

Snacks

03-02-2012, 08:34 PM

same shit is happening in hockey and it's fucking so bad

at times, my adult beer league hockey is more fucking physical than this incarnation of the NHL

this is all part of the "pussification of America" as sports work to please the fringe fans in an effort to expand versus staying true to it's core and promoting all aspects of what made it great in the first place

:wallbash:

think of the children watching, you dont want them seeing fights and toughness... fucking annoying what has happened to sports and society.

spoon

03-02-2012, 08:36 PM

mom's, lawyers and pussies rule the world

Snoogans

03-02-2012, 08:54 PM

and to me that's nuts

i love the physical game and miss the ronnie lotts/harrisons of the league

now they get labeled dirty and we're likely never to see another player like that again...think Dunta Robinson

i think there is a difference between being a hard hitter and legally tryin to crush people as opposed to offering cash payments to try to injure dudes and knock them out of the game. You could kill someone or paralyze them at anytime playin football on accident, is it really neccessary to try to injure people? I dont know, i think its scumbag.

But even still thats not hte main reason for a harsh punishment. the main reason is cause they gave payments that were under the table and circumvented the salary cap and may have actually caused them to go over if reported for all we know. I know 10 grand doesnt seem like much but if you are giving a few guys that every game thats illegal payments. thats the biggest issue i think as to why the penalties will be severe

hanso

03-02-2012, 09:33 PM

hanso

03-03-2012, 12:00 PM

I still like the guy and wish Miami would keep him and give him a chance now with an actual offensive mind at coach who like to pass. I would rather Keep Henne at the $4-$5 million price then sigh Flynn who has less playing time to judge and is going to want about $3 or $4 million more per year.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Free-agent-quarterbacks-Chad-Henne-presents-solid-option-022912

There are 5 or more teams going for 4 good QB's. If it gets down to Weedon, Foles, or Osweiller what you posted looks better, but to me Campbell showed more than Henne last season.

A Coming Nightmare Scenario for Dolphins at QB
http://phinphanatic.com/2012/03/02/a-coming-nightmare-scenario-for-dolphins-at-qb/

hanso

03-03-2012, 12:08 PM

Henne to the Jets.

They're already screwing with Brees over pay.

Thought the F-tag was coming with the looming fines.

cougarjake13

03-03-2012, 12:19 PM

Thought the F-tag was coming with the looming fines.

they just put it on him

hanso

03-03-2012, 12:21 PM

Does this make Brees available if a team is willing to come to terms?

Snacks

03-03-2012, 12:22 PM

There are 5 or more teams going for 4 good QB's. If it gets down to Weedon, Foles, or Osweiller what you posted looks better, but to me Campbell showed more than Henne last season.

A Coming Nightmare Scenario for Dolphins at QB
http://phinphanatic.com/2012/03/02/a-coming-nightmare-scenario-for-dolphins-at-qb/

Campbell has had multiple chances with multiple different offenses to try and shine and hasn't. I have never liked him and hope he doesn't come close to miami.

As for the link, I have been thinking that all along but the only reason to not get to worried is everything falls in place and gives miami sometime for each step. on the 5th we will know if Flynn is franchised. If not that gives us til the 13th before we could even talk to him. We will know if Manning is set free or not on the 8th. If he isnt then we know we will going all out for Flynn if he is set free we have 5 days to sign him before we need to make a decision about Flynn. If we sign him within those 5 days then Flynn is no go if we dont then Miami changes its attention to Flynn. If we lose out on Flynn we then hace 10 days or so to make trade offers to move to #2 and take RG3 and if that fails we are fucked. But if that does fail we might be able to re-sign Henne is he hasnt signed already.

I will say this, if we dont get manning, flynn or rg3 I would love to have Henne back and go 1 more year with him and an offensive minded head coach and a really good offensive coordinator. If not why not give last years rookie from Delaware a shot? Going into the draft last year he had all the tools to be an nfl starter and had a bad combine and fell from a early round pick to not even being drafted. If all esle fails fuck signing a campbell or orton or grossman and try someone new. I hate that teams recycle shit qbs and never give a young late round/undrafted guy a chance til its too late.

Snacks

03-03-2012, 12:23 PM

Does this make Brees available if a team is willing to come to terms?

no if hes franchised his rights are owned by the team and only they can decided what to do with him. if they want to trade him they can or keep him but no team can talk to him it would be tampering.

hanso

03-03-2012, 12:30 PM

Think it's at least 15M yr and a 2nd round pick to make an offer.

Snacks

03-03-2012, 12:50 PM

Think it's at least 15M yr and a 2nd round pick to make an offer.

what is?

cougarjake13

03-03-2012, 12:59 PM

what is?

for trading for a franchised player perhaps

HBox

03-03-2012, 01:06 PM

There are two types of franchise tags and the Saints offered Brees the exclusive one. It means Brees is guaranteed more money nest season and no other team can offer him anything. The other tag would have guaranteed Brees less money but allowed another team to come in with a monster offer.

I just learned this reading an article about it today. I thought the franchise tag was always exclusive.

Snacks

03-03-2012, 01:24 PM

There are two types of franchise tags and the Saints offered Brees the exclusive one. It means Brees is guaranteed more money nest season and no other team can offer him anything. The other tag would have guaranteed Brees less money but allowed another team to come in with a monster offer.

I just learned this reading an article about it today. I thought the franchise tag was always exclusive.

so did i, i only thought you could negotiate a new deal with someone elses franchised player if and only if the team that owns that players rights is willing to trade him and gives you permission.

that being said i doubt brees tag is anything but exclusive. he got fucked because he was offered $18 mil and wanted $23 mil but now will only get $14.4 mil. another fucked up thing is they could now franchise him again next year and then see if its worth resigning him after that. So they could now have gotten him on the cheap for 2 years. After that he will be 35 and then they might move on or at the very least get him cheaper at that age. i think it sucks because he has done so much for that franchise but it is a business and he was asking for a lot more then they offered and at $23 mil per year he would really make it hard on his team to sign or keep other players.

hanso

03-03-2012, 01:57 PM

what is?

If it wasn't exclusive but it will be something around there if Saints wanted to deal.

Changes in F-tag with CBA, now teams can do the same player more than one year?

hanso

03-03-2012, 02:08 PM

Payton Manning could stay with Colts making the OB market 3-5 or more ratio good QB's / teams Avl

More : Chad Henne to the Jets stories popping up
Pennington tutoring Sanchez on Sparano's offense

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/another-story-links-chad-henne-to-the-jets/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/03/pennington-tutoring-sanchez-on-sparanos-offense/

hanso

03-04-2012, 09:41 AM

That is all they talk about on the station (is it me or is every caller black), the Capitals could win the cup and the first call would be about how Grossman sucks.

As we know most top flight QB's don't come into an ideal situation, the reason the team got that great pick to draft is you're bad. With that said if they think RG3 is the real deal, Washington needs to do everything in its power to land him. It doesn't matter who he hands the ball off to or throws it too, you need a good QB to win in the NFL today. The Receivers and RB's are a lot easier to acquire and plug in around the QB than it is vice versa.

With that said with the current roster Helu has tons of upside, Hightower looked good last year before his injury, if he returns to full force with Shananhan as the coach the running game will be fine. As far as receivers you can snag a free agent, They have Moss, Fred Davis is a good looking TE and imagine trying to chase down Griffin and Banks on end around type plays, they will be fine, they just need that QB in the worst way.

Has The Sports Brothers show moved into your line up?

hanso

03-05-2012, 09:53 PM

F-tags on kickers WTF?

cougarjake13

03-06-2012, 03:17 AM

F-tags on kickers WTF?

Last yr bucs did It for their punter I think

Snacks

03-06-2012, 12:53 PM

they also do it because other free agents on their team arent worth the high franchise tag #. lets say they have a wr they want to keep but cant agree on a deal. if they franchised him the # would be somewhere around $9 - $10 million. But maybe that wr isnt worth that # but they have a kicker who they dont want to lose and to protect him he will only get a few hundred grand more then they were offering.

Example would be Garcon from Indy. They are only offering him around $7 mil a year. They arent going to overpay him for 1 year by close to 50% more. But Weatherford they might have been willing to offer 3 years $6 but couldnt agree just yet, so they lock him up they franchise him and hope to negotiate a cap friendly #!

hanso

03-06-2012, 03:41 PM

Last yr bucs did It for their punter I think

5 or so kickers this time around one being a punter.

cougarjake13

03-06-2012, 03:56 PM

Chris mortenson reporting Peyton to be released tomoro

Snacks

03-06-2012, 03:57 PM

Espn Mortenson reported that tomorrow Indy will have a press conference and Irsay and Manning will announce that they are splitting ways and Manning will be released!

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7653897/sources-indianapolis-colts-part-peyton-manning-wednesday

hanso

03-06-2012, 03:59 PM

That's the word, read that the Colts could keep him till Fri though, doubt that will happen (hope not)

cougarjake13

03-06-2012, 04:00 PM

Let the frenzy begin

hanso

03-07-2012, 02:58 PM

Let the frenzy begin

Manning Mania

Snacks

03-07-2012, 03:15 PM

Manning Mania

http://i.imgur.com/q2Rg1.jpg (http://imgur.com/q2Rg1)

A Jets jersey can even make Peyton look bad!!!

cougarjake13

03-07-2012, 05:04 PM

http://i.imgur.com/q2Rg1.jpg (http://imgur.com/q2Rg1)

A Jets jersey can even make Peyton look bad!!!

No

The browns jersey was the worst

Snacks

03-09-2012, 08:32 AM

I actually thought this myself on Weds after he landed. I was thinking, leave him alone you will make him NOT want to stay in Miami. But hopefully he realizes this is something that will go away once he signs somewhere.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/09/miami-media-circus-may-make-manning-wary-of-dolphins/

Adam Schefter suggested that the immediate and circus-style media coverage of Peyton Manning landing in Miami after his release by the Colts may have affected the free agent quarterback’s outlook on playing for the Dolphins.

JimBeam

03-09-2012, 08:58 AM

If I have to hear one more time that Peyton doesn't wanna come to NY because his brother is here or doesn't wanna play in the AFC East because it means facing Tom Brady twice I'm gonna lose it.

The guy's a competitor and isn't afraid of Tom Brady.

That defense was one of the worst ever against the pass last year ( if I remember correctly they were close to being the worst all time ) so why the hell would Manning be frightened of them ?

Snacks

03-09-2012, 10:11 AM

If I have to hear one more time that Peyton doesn't wanna come to NY because his brother is here or doesn't wanna play in the AFC East because it means facing Tom Brady twice I'm gonna lose it.

The guy's a competitor and isn't afraid of Tom Brady.

That defense was one of the worst ever against the pass last year ( if I remember correctly they were close to being the worst all time ) so why the hell would Manning be frightened of them ?

I agree except the 1st part. I dont think he would want to play in the same city as Eli either. But why wouldnt he want to play NE and their shitty defense. If he goes to a team with a good def he will have an easier time scoring on NE then Brady will on whatever def Mannings team has.

At this point there are so many stories out there that this is hard to follow. hopefully he signs over the weekend and most of this will stop.

JimBeam

03-09-2012, 10:14 AM

I think the only thing that keeps him out of the NY area is the weather.

In a perfect world he might chose to not play his brother 2 times but if the opportunity was there, say a long shot like Dallas, I think he'd do it.

underdog

03-09-2012, 10:35 AM

I agree except the 1st part. I dont think he would want to play in the same city as Eli either. But why wouldnt he want to play NE and their shitty defense. If he goes to a team with a good def he will have an easier time scoring on NE then Brady will on whatever def Mannings team has.

At this point there are so many stories out there that this is hard to follow. hopefully he signs over the weekend and most of this will stop.

I think he's actually looking forward to playing Brady twice a year.

I just cannot imagine him going anywhere else but Miami at this point. Apparently he wants to stay in the AFC and he'll have full control of the offense down there. I hope it happens.

TripleSkeet

03-09-2012, 12:06 PM

If I have to hear one more time that Peyton doesn't wanna come to NY because his brother is here or doesn't wanna play in the AFC East because it means facing Tom Brady twice I'm gonna lose it.

The guy's a competitor and isn't afraid of Tom Brady.

That defense was one of the worst ever against the pass last year ( if I remember correctly they were close to being the worst all time ) so why the hell would Manning be frightened of them ?

I dont buy either of those arguments either. The only one I believe is not wanting to compete in the same division as his brother. Possibly each one knocking the other one out of a playoff spot every year? I dont see it. Thats why I seriously doubt hell go to Washington.

Earlshog

03-09-2012, 12:34 PM

I dont buy either of those arguments either. The only one I believe is not wanting to compete in the same division as his brother. Possibly each one knocking the other one out of a playoff spot every year? I dont see it. Thats why I seriously doubt hell go to Washington.

I agree, however the NFL must cream themselves with the idea of them both playing in the NFC East.

Snacks

03-09-2012, 12:36 PM

I agree, however the NFL must cream themselves with the idea of them both playing in the NFC East.

i think the nfl would much rather see him play Brady twice a year with the chance of him playing his brother in the super bowl.

KnoxHarrington

03-09-2012, 01:06 PM

I don't think that Peyton Manning is on the same level of douchebaggery as Favre, so I don't see the ability to "get even" with the Colts entering into his calculations at all. He'll go to whoever can pay him, and whoever has a chance in hell of winning. If that means he'll play the Colts, or that he plays Eli nmore, I think that's cool with him. He'll neither seek that out or avoid it.

underdog

03-09-2012, 01:14 PM

i think the nfl would much rather see him play Brady twice a year with the chance of him playing his brother in the super bowl.

Yeah, AFC East gets Manning v Brady at least twice a year, maybe even three times a year.

As much as I hate Manning and the Dolphins, I really, really hope he goes there. The AFC East will be a beast division. Every game will be good, except when people play the Bills. As a fan of football, I hope it happens.

cougarjake13

03-09-2012, 03:17 PM

Yeah, AFC East gets Manning v Brady at least twice a year, maybe even three times a year.

As much as I hate Manning and the Dolphins, I really, really hope he goes there. The AFC East will be a beast division. Every game will be good, except when people play the Bills. As a fan of football, I hope it happens.

My thoughts exactly

sailor

03-09-2012, 03:37 PM

I don't think Miami is good enough, even with him.

underdog

03-09-2012, 06:51 PM

Source: Redskins get No. 2 pick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams)

"In a pre-draft blockbuster trade, the St. Louis Rams have agreed in principle to send the second overall pick in this year's draft to the Washington Redskins for three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick, according to a source in Cleveland familiar with the terms of the deal."

razorboy

03-09-2012, 06:55 PM

I just heard about it while watching the ACC tournament. It's too bad. I really like RGIII, and now he's doomed to wallow in mediocrity in dysfunctional Dan's traveling circus.

PapaBear

03-09-2012, 06:56 PM

Source: Redskins get No. 2 pick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams)

"In a pre-draft blockbuster trade, the St. Louis Rams have agreed in principle to send the second overall pick in this year's draft to the Washington Redskins for three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick, according to a source in Cleveland familiar with the terms of the deal."
Are all four pics for this year? I hope not. That's an awful lot to give up. Especiallly when you considder, the Redskins have NEVER had a first round QB that has ever amounted to anything.

weekapaugjz

03-09-2012, 07:02 PM

Are all four pics for this year? I hope not. That's an awful lot to give up. Especiallly when you considder, the Redskins have NEVER had a first round QB that has ever amounted to anything.

it's their first and second round pick this year, first round for 2013, and first round for 2014. that's a STEEP price.

weekapaugjz

03-09-2012, 07:02 PM

I just heard about it while watching the ACC tournament. It's too bad. I really like RGIII, and now he's doomed to wallow in mediocrity in dysfunctional Dan's traveling circus.

i wanted to root for RGIII in the NFL. guess not anymore.

razorboy

03-09-2012, 07:16 PM

i wanted to root for RGIII in the NFL. guess not anymore.

I'll be rooting for Snyder to lose interest in him after four or five years so he can find some success elsewhere before he's too badly damaged. You have to be feeling pretty good as a Bills fan about the retarded extension the Jets just gave Sanchez.

weekapaugjz

03-09-2012, 07:27 PM

You have to be feeling pretty good as a Bills fan about the retarded extension the Jets just gave Sanchez.

i'll feel even better when they get someone that can pass rush and smash his face into the turf.

i know the odds are like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1 that the bills could land mario williams, but a boy can dream.

Snacks

03-09-2012, 07:34 PM

dont be surprised if indy shocks everyone again and takes rg3. after making all these cuts today they are obviously completely changing the team. if they were to draft luck you would think they would keep some of that talent. maybe they are cleaning house to bring in talents to work with rg3?

... and in other bad nfl team news sanchez signs an extension! WHY?

Snoogans

03-09-2012, 07:35 PM

dont be surprised if indy shocks everyone again and takes rg3. after making all these cuts today they are obviously completely changing the team. if they were to draft luck you would think they would keep some of that talent. maybe they are cleaning house to bring in talents to work with rg3?

i dont think the fans would allow it.

And man the Jets are awesome. fuckin dolts. doesnt he have like 3 years left on his deal?

weekapaugjz

03-09-2012, 07:37 PM

And man the Jets are awesome. fuckin dolts. doesnt he have like 3 years left on his deal?

:lol:

and i think it was 2 years left. fucking retards. maybe if he finished this last season strong i'd understand it, but, everyone knows that didn't happen.

cougarjake13

03-09-2012, 07:38 PM

i dont think the fans would allow it.

And man the Jets are awesome. fuckin dolts. doesnt he have like 3 years left on his deal?

Completely negates bringing in henne

weekapaugjz

03-09-2012, 07:38 PM

... and in other bad nfl team news sanchez signs an extension! WHY?

well, if you're sanchez, of course you fucking sign that thing.

hanso

03-09-2012, 07:38 PM

Cleveland seems to have stated no interest in Manning, do they go for Flynn?

hanso

03-09-2012, 07:41 PM

dont be surprised if indy shocks everyone again and takes rg3. after making all these cuts today they are obviously completely changing the team. if they were to draft luck you would think they would keep some of that talent. maybe they are cleaning house to bring in talents to work with rg3?

... and in other bad nfl team news sanchez signs an extension! WHY?

They wouldn't need much if they let him be run happy.

Snacks

03-09-2012, 07:41 PM

sanchez deal makes him the 7th highest paid qb in the league as reported by espn. lol that is comical. they will not bring in henne because there is no way they could afford him and why bother, its not like they will bench sanchez now even when sanchez sucks.

razorboy

03-09-2012, 07:43 PM

dont be surprised if indy shocks everyone again and takes rg3. after making all these cuts today they are obviously completely changing the team. if they were to draft luck you would think they would keep some of that talent.

Why? A rookie QB is a rookie QB no matter how pro ready the draftniks think a prospect is. All we learned last year is without Manning the Colts' talent wasn't all that talented. Addai is lousy, ditto for Painter, Clark is getting older and Brackett and Bullitt are cap casualties from an awful defensive squad. The smart thing is to build a young team around Luck much as they did with Manning.

cougarjake13

03-09-2012, 07:44 PM

sanchez deal makes him the 7th highest paid qb in the league as reported by espn. lol that is comical. they will not bring in henne because there is no way they could afford him and why bother, its not like they will bench sanchez now even when sanchez sucks.

I thought I saw on crawl they signed henne already
Musta misremembered

Snacks

03-09-2012, 07:45 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5192/mark-sanchez

Jets signed QB Mark Sanchez to three-year, $40.5 million extension through 2016.
It's an apology extension. The Jets put out feelers for Peyton Manning, and they were quickly rebuffed. This is Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson's way of saying sorry. On the bright side, the extension should lower Sanchez's salary cap number in 2012, giving the Jets room to operate in free agency. The downside is much worse, of course, especially if Sanchez continues his regression. At the very best, he's plateaued since entering the league. The extension will make the Jets a much less enticing landing spot for free agent quarterbacks that want a legitimate chance to start. Sanchez won't be "competing" for his job anymore. Mar 9 - 10:32 PM

made me laugh.

Snacks

03-09-2012, 07:46 PM

I thought I saw on crawl they signed henne already
Musta misremembered

cant til tuesday when free agent signing begins. peyton is a different situation so he could sign now.

hanso

03-09-2012, 07:48 PM

sanchez deal makes him the 7th highest paid qb in the league as reported by espn. lol that is comical. they will not bring in henne because there is no way they could afford him and why bother, its not like they will bench sanchez now even when sanchez sucks.

And there was some play for Manning, can't fathom this.

Just went back and read more posts quick rebuff from Manning camp. The Jets said the want a ground and pound game so maybe they lean that way and boost up the running game.

Brandon Jacobs was released BTW others like him could follow.

KnoxHarrington

03-09-2012, 07:50 PM

i dont think the fans would allow it.

And man the Jets are awesome. fuckin dolts. doesnt he have like 3 years left on his deal?

I can't imagine that the Colts would have let Peyton Manning go if they weren't going to draft Andrew Luck.

Snoogans

03-09-2012, 07:52 PM

:lol:

and i think it was 2 years left. fucking retards. maybe if he finished this last season strong i'd understand it, but, everyone knows that didn't happen.

i understand it. they know he is a weak pussy who cant keep his confidence, and they are afraid he would be sad from them talkin to peyton, so they did this to be like see, we really do want you as our guy.

Its fuckin BS. I bet he doesnt even make the first year of it

Snoogans

03-09-2012, 07:53 PM

sanchez deal makes him the 7th highest paid qb in the league as reported by espn. lol that is comical. they will not bring in henne because there is no way they could afford him and why bother, its not like they will bench sanchez now even when sanchez sucks.

you still need someone to be a backup incase he gets hurt. i dont think you can gamble with fuckin Mark Brunell again. Mark Brunell is fuckin older than Woody Johnson

Snacks

03-09-2012, 08:13 PM

you still need someone to be a backup incase he gets hurt. i dont think you can gamble with fuckin Mark Brunell again. Mark Brunell is fuckin older than Woody Johnson

i know but now they paid him even more and henne was already going to be at the higher end for a back up. some reports say he will get around $5 million a year. thats a lot as a back up, now if they cant get him for $2 million a year then they still can get him but i cant see him taking that.

Snoogans

03-09-2012, 08:15 PM

i know but now they paid him even more and henne was already going to be at the higher end for a back up. some reports say he will get around $5 million a year. thats a lot as a back up, now if they cant get him for $2 million a year then they still can get him but i cant see him taking that.

well for this year it actually brings his number down. the number doesnt spike until 2014 so they could still bring in a guy like henne and cut onoe of them in 2 years

Snacks

03-09-2012, 08:23 PM

well for this year it actually brings his number down. the number doesnt spike until 2014 so they could still bring in a guy like henne and cut onoe of them in 2 years

i guess tuesday will be a big day for a lot of teams!

TripleSkeet

03-09-2012, 11:12 PM

So is the Manning race pretty much a 2 horse race now between Arizona and Miami? I hear hes got a meeting with Elway this weeek. Holy shit between him and Tebow what a circus that would be. I knew I was right about Washington.

PapaBear

03-09-2012, 11:16 PM

So is the Manning race pretty much a 2 horse race now between Arizona and Miami? I hear hes got a meeting with Elway this weeek. Holy shit between him and Tebow what a circus that would be. I knew I was right about Washington.
I heard he already went to visit Denver (and Arizona). Did he not meet Elway when that happened?

Snacks

03-09-2012, 11:17 PM

So is the Manning race pretty much a 2 horse race now between Arizona and Miami? I hear hes got a meeting with Elway this weeek. Holy shit between him and Tebow what a circus that would be. I knew I was right about Washington.

he met with elway today for 6 hours and from what they said again tomorrow before going to arz. after arz he may meet with kc and then finish in mia with his last meeting.

i think (and hope) we have an answer sometime sun or mon.

hanso

03-10-2012, 07:10 AM

Thought SF wants A Smith but I keep seeing his name on FA list.

A.J.

03-10-2012, 09:13 AM

Source: Redskins get No. 2 pick (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams)

"In a pre-draft blockbuster trade, the St. Louis Rams have agreed in principle to send the second overall pick in this year's draft to the Washington Redskins for three first-round draft picks and a second-round pick, according to a source in Cleveland familiar with the terms of the deal."

"Get 'em."

Snoogans

03-10-2012, 10:32 AM

really, snacks?

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TripleSkeet

03-10-2012, 12:54 PM

really, snacks?

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It I saw a video of Fezzie teabagging Justin Bieber while fingerfucking his anus, it still would not be as gay as that video.

Kevin

03-10-2012, 02:54 PM

Why would Zona want Manning when they have Kevin Kolb and his 35tds a year?

hanso

03-10-2012, 03:53 PM

And there was some play for Manning, can't fathom this.

Just went back and read more posts quick rebuff from Manning camp. The Jets said the want a ground and pound game so maybe they lean that way and boost up the running game.

Brandon Jacobs was released BTW others like him could follow.

Just saw on scroll NFLnet Brandon Jacobs: "would love to join Jets won't have to move".

Ground and pound baby..3 yards cloud o dust FG's & fist pumps.

Kevin

03-10-2012, 04:17 PM

Just saw on scroll NFLnet Brandon Jacobs: "would love to join Jets won't have to move".

Ground and pound baby..3 yards cloud o dust FG's & fist pumps.

After he called the entire org scumbags

Snacks

03-10-2012, 04:21 PM

really, snacks?

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i have no words at all.:help:

CountryBob

03-10-2012, 04:45 PM

am glad the skins stepped up, yes, its too much to give for anybody but we need a QB.]

fuck all you haters! :smoke:

hanso

03-10-2012, 05:13 PM

i have no words at all.:help:

Holy crap..Rick Sanchez singing?

hanso

03-10-2012, 05:15 PM

am glad the skins stepped up, yes, its too much to give for anybody but we need a QB.]

fuck all you haters! :smoke:

Maybe better than Donovan McNabb right?

CountryBob

03-10-2012, 05:19 PM

Maybe better than Donovan McNabb right?

wtf were they thinking with the mcnabb trade? tomfoolery i say

Kevin

03-10-2012, 05:27 PM

am glad the skins stepped up, yes, its too much to give for anybody but we need a QB.]
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fuck all you haters! :smoke:

He better win at least 2sbs to justify it.

cougarjake13

03-10-2012, 05:29 PM

He better win at least 2sbs to justify it.

normally id agree but as pathetic as the redskins have been maybe one would be enough

hell even a playoff win might be enough for awhile

Snoogans

03-10-2012, 05:32 PM

normally id agree but as pathetic as the redskins have been maybe one would be enough

hell even a playoff win might be enough for awhile

i agree. they gave up a ton but, its the fuckin skins. if this kid wins even 1 SB there its more than worth the lot they traded.