I hate Fox News

[HBox]

This morning I was flipping by Fox News and was stopped by an attention grabbing headline:

Weapons Grade nuclear material found in Iraq.

My first thought is "Holy Shit!" I keep watching and they have some kind of military guy talking about all the dangers of Iraq having nuclear material. I continue watching for another 15 minutes. No other details about what was found or where it was found are discussed. So I remeber, "Oh yeah, I'm watching Fox News," and move on.

So tonight I find this article:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/898667.asp?0cv=CB10

So I go to Fox News.com. I find this article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html
And then right below that article is this article refuting the previous article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83867,00.html

Let it never be said Fox News puts the truth before speed and sensationalism.

[El Mudo]

I hate Fox News


Then don't watch it. I'd rather keep that on than the ol' Clinton News Network or the So biased i want to scream BBC

....Garry Owen....

[SuperClerk]

I love "Good Day New York". I've been watching that since it debuted in 1987. Gordon Elliot, Larry Hoff, Hurricane Schwartz, Julie Golden. They all ruled. Now I love watching the on air chemistry of Jim Ryan and weatherman Dave Price. What a bunch of goofballs!!!! HA!

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[Tall_James]

Julie Golden
I used to crush on Julie Golden. Didn't she get canned because she was busted for driving while intoxicated?

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[SuperClerk]

Didn't she get canned because she was busted for driving while intoxicated?



Yes she did. She hasn't been seen on TV since.

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[Bestinshow]

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[TheMojoPin]

Then don't watch it.

Well, it seems he was more saying that even if he doesn't watch it, they'll still keep on making factual mistake after mistake...so it's not hating them because he "has" to watch, just the fact that they continue to exist and make asses of themselves and American journalism.

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[TheMojoPin]

And where did "Clinton News Network" come from? It's not like CNN didn't make an effort to report that motard's fuck ups any less than anyone else...for all the "liberal media" accusations, Clinton sure didn't get a break. He made an idiot of himself over and over again with his personal affairs, and ALL the media outlets were overjoyed to report them ad nauseum. What, did they not make fun of him ENOUGH?

And while I think it's apparent that CNN is only slightly less biased in their choice of news stories and pundits than Fox News, I also don't "get" where the sudden "oh, WOW, the BBC is SO biased!" movement is coming from. I chose to watch them more than the others simple for the lack of pundits, talking heads and talk show-style "news" reports...is the bias in what they choose to report? NOT choose to report? I'm just curious...

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This message was edited by TheMojoPin on 4-11-03 @ 5:22 PM

[HBox]

Fox News is the AIDS of journalism. They are slowly killing it. How can we take anything they say seriously when they continually get the facts wrong. Not only that, these false stories are always biased. Anything that might possibly support their agenda, they report regardless of verification. If it turns out to be false, they later quietly report a retraction that maybe 10% of the people who saw the false story will see.

And what's even worse is that its pulling the other networks towards them in the shameless grab for ratings. Every network's primary concern is to get ratings, not to report newsworthy stories, not to report the whole story, and not to report the truth. This started before Fox News, but they have only worsened the problem.

[TheMojoPin]

It's a network of Peter Arnett's...all of the reporters want to BE the story...did anyone see the piece Geraldo did when he was "reunited" with the 101st in Iraq? Pathetic.

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[Immigration Dude]

I like Fox news but I have to admit they are slanted. They are like the YES network. The US cant do anything wrong. But I guess you gotta find somthing in the middle.

"P.S., every thursday shall be free ice cream day".

[TheMojoPin]

But I guess you gotta find somthing in the middle.

I wish we had the option.

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[HBox]

There was an article in the Wall Street Journal today about how different the coverages of the war are. It even calls the BBC, along with CNN, MSNBC, and Fox, coverage slanted because its is not questioning the legitimacy of this war when they have not found WMDs yet. They also point out the difference in coverage between CNN and CNN International. CNN apparently is emphasizing the freedom of the Iraqi people while CNN International is emphasizing civilian deaths.

TV News sucks. All of us lazy bums would be much better off reading newspapers.

[Bestinshow]

did anyone see the piece Geraldo did when he was "reunited" with the 101st in Iraq? Pathetic.

Geraldo was fired for being an ass. Its not like they condoned it.
is the bias in what they choose to report? NOT choose to report? I'm just curious...
Don`t you think that is bias? I`d say choosing not to show how positive thing s were going is bias.

You say Fox is inaccurate because they break headlines. They never claimed anything other than suspicion of weapons. They always mentioned they were subject to lab tests. But the other channels gave the impression we were losing and handling the war like the keystone cops. That was accurate? If FoX is AIDS, than CNN is SARS.

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[TheMojoPin]

Don`t you think that is bias? I`d say choosing not to show how positive thing s were going is bias.

How was it not positive? They showed US AND their own British troops in the appropriate light! When we won, they said we won! When we were under attack, they said we were under attack! Maybe people are just not used to reserved, somewhat dignified and sober reporting these days, and they assume someone not screaming, shouting or making an ass of themselves must not be "positive."

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[Bestinshow]

I hardly consider the image that we underestimated the Iraqis and had to go back to the drawing board reserved, dignified and sober. I consider it bullshit and that was the angle most of the press took. We were winning, that was a good thing and there is nothing wrong with showing it that way. As you can see, that was the accurate view.
P.S. I must add, I am talking in general of the other channels. I have not seen the BBC broadcasts, therefore I will not give my opinion on them. If that is what you were refering to specifically, than I apologize.

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This message was edited by Bestinshow on 4-11-03 @ 7:53 PM

[HBox]

You say Fox is inaccurate because they break headlines. They never claimed anything other than suspicion of weapons.


No. I say FOX is incredibly irrespionsible in it reporting. the headline I saw on Fox News was "Weapons Grade Nuclear Material Found." Later on they backtracked. Fox, and the rest of them, are looking for headlines. If a Marine private sees something weird and says "Whoa. I think we've found chemical weapons!" that's good enough for Fox. Forget about verifying that, Fox got their headline, and that's all they care about.

When cable networks incorrectly make election calls, its irresponsible reporting. When they report false stories about the war that we'd like to believe, then its breaking a story.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, that's what I was talking about...you're talking about Peter Anrett on MSNBC...I can't stand them and CNN almost as much as Fox...

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[LiquidCourage]

The BBC IS the most biased network out there.
When I watch the way they report some of the stuff going on inside of the US I want to vomit.
They tell outright lies.

[LiquidCourage]

And Fox News rules except for that creep Shephard Smith.
Man, I HATE that guy.

[Se7en]

I do love when liberals / dems get their panties in a wad about FOX.

I chose to watch them more than the others simple for the lack of pundits, talking heads and talk show-style "news" reports...is the bias in what they choose to report? NOT choose to report? I'm just curious...

No offense to you, Mojo, but given what I know your politics, the fact that you're advocating the BBC makes me think that they're, at the least, somewhat biased. Towards the left or anti-war side.

But hey, I don't BBC on my cable, so I could be wrong, but I'm just going by impressions is all.



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[grandzu]

You can say that BBC is biased but the Mirror, the Guardian and the Independent are good sources of news. The reason they are better then the trashy news here is because they are non-profit, not owned by corporations so they dont have a profit agenda to answer to. They actually spend money on investigations and news stories rather that other bypass because of budget constraints.

Also the main reason all the radio stations are all Hooray for USA/troops/war has to do more with Colin Powell's son being head of the FCC and kissing up to the powers that be rather then with actual sentiment.


(Sshhhh. Don't believe the hype.)

[TheMojoPin]

The BBC IS the most biased network out there.
When I watch the way they report some of the stuff going on inside of the US I want to vomit.
They tell outright lies.

No, it's simply the foreign equivalent of American news reporting outside of the US...if you're not actually there, you're bound to get things wrong. I watch BBC because after spending most of my life growing up overseas, I got very used to watching news that focused more on international affairs...BBC is pretty much my only outlet for that here. I still watch the three major US cable news networks for domestic happenings, but let's face it, they're ALL awful when something happens outside of America's borders that America is involved in...and that's IF they report it at all. I want to know what's going on in the world...domestic news is usally 25% real, important news at best, and the rest just timekilling fluff pieces. Hence why I usually just go on over to the C-SPAN's for important domestic issues. And trust me, as someone who only had news networks as the only english TV channels I had for YEARS as a child, I've found the combo of C-SPAN and BBC can't be beat.

BBC only really covers American affairs if they're significant issues (ie-the election). If they were covering America left and right and getting it wrong, I wouldn't watch, because gross inaccuracy is the exact reason why I hate Fox, CNN and MSNBC.

And Se7en, if I was truly any of those things, I'd be sipping on CNN's pinko dink, but I can't STAND that channel. BBC covers things around I just won't hear about here in America, but with a "Western" tone. Works for me. I still don't get where they seem "anti-war" or "anti-American"...maybe EVERYONE seems that way compared to Fox's mindless cheerleading...

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[travis151]

I love Fox news why? Because it to me is fair and balanced. Yes, its like a talk show at times and yes more editorial but I enjoy alot of their hosts Bill O'reilly , Brit Hume, Sean Hannity etc. Thats my own opinion but I also watch equally MSNBC,CNBC,CNN.... also I watch on c-span international NEWS stations from not only from middle east but France and Germany. I must say the BBC is more editoral then FOX when I do watch, it seems to ONLY focus on the negitive of the Middle East Conflict but does give Americans say during their point counter point pieces. Just as Fox shows mostly Iraqi celebration the BBC shows plenty Iraqi civilians in hospitals etc. Over all though I enjoy all of the news outlets.

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[LiquidCourage]

The Mirror is a known tabloid.

[LiquidCourage]

I'll give that to the BBC; they do concentrate more on world events.

But when they talk about American events, they bullshit all day.

[TheMojoPin]

But when they talk about American events, they bullshit all day

Which is usually less than ten minutes of any given broadcast. Oh no.

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[LiquidCourage]

But for much of the world, that's their only insight into the average day in the US.

Some of the stuff they say scares the hell out of me.

[furie]

the first article is talking about something completly diffrent then the second two.

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[TheMojoPin]

But for much of the world, that's their only insight into the average day in the US.

Some of the stuff they say scares the hell out of me.

CNN and MSNBC reach more people around the world than BBC does, been that way for years. Hell, with satellites today, I'll bet Fox has even caught up

And what scares you so bad? BBC is only one of hundreds of thousands of foreign TV channels reporting news in and about America. If BBC scares you, well, I've got some bad, bad news...

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[Shecky]

I find FOX News to be biased for the most part. I never hear anything negative nor do I hear about the Iraqi caualties like CNN broadcasts.
I support our people over there but for the exception of the POW situation, I've heard nothing negative from Fox.
And any breaking news Fox gets it's usually from CNN or AL Jezzerra
I like Bill O Reilly and that's about all.
I cant stand watching the same crap over and over again on the same network. I have to watch a bit of everything to get a feel of what is actually going on.

PRAY FOR THE BRAVE ONES!!!!

Later On,
SHECKY

[TooCute]

I find it highly amusing that while Fox gets their video feeds from Al-Jazeera and other "local" news sources, they insist on putting a big "FOX NEWS EXCLUSIVE" banner over the originating station's banner whenever it flashes on the screen.

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[HBox]

the first article is talking about something completly diffrent then the second two.


The MSNBC article has been altered since I first posted it.

[Death Metal Moe]

I watch Fox News more than any other source. So hate me then too.

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[LiquidCourage]

And what scares you so bad? BBC is only one of hundreds of thousands of foreign TV channels reporting news in and about America.



I was always under the impression that the BBC was one of the most popular networks throughout the world.

Maybe I was wrong.

[TheMojoPin]

I was always under the impression that the BBC was one of the most popular networks throughout the world.

Maybe I was wrong.

It is, but thanks to modern cable technology, it reaches less people around the world than the American cable news networks do.

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[TheMojoPin]

Remember, Fox News is the AIDS of the cable news world. It's sick, and it's only getting sicker!

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[A.J.]

Remember, Fox News is the AIDS of the cable news world. It's sick, and it's only getting sicker!

So THAT'S why Shepard Smith had those lesions.

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[Drudge Jr.]

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[azzazello14]

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?

[scottinnj]

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?

Post number one? And this is it?

Should have started a whole new thread there buddy.

Don't know this dude. A link to what he said would be cool. What part of Israel are you from? Greetings from America!

[HBox]

What? Who? Who? What? What? Who?

[led37zep]

What do you think of Obadiah Shoher's views on the Middle East conflict? One can argue, of course, that Shoher is ultra-right, but his followers are far from being a marginal group. Also, he rejects Jewish moralistic reasoning - that's alone is highly unusual for the Israeli right. And he is very influential here in Israel. So what do you think?

Maybe, but can you tell me about the worlds smallest hotel?

[Grendel_Kahn]

I love it when Red Staters/ Hayseeds bring out the old Clinton News Network chestnut. As if you could point out ONE instance of biased reporting. ONE. Meanwhile on a nightly basis I could cite dozens. From outright lies ( i.e. "IRAINIAN WARSHIPS ATTACK AMERICAN NAVY!!!!!") to just slanted choice of words ( i.e. " Well it was another brilliant move by the geniuses in Barack Osama....excuse me...Obama's camp")

Really. It's kind of a reach, children.

[AKA]

If NBC took the best from MSNBC and CNBC (and NBC News) and pulled it all together they could have one great cable news channel, imo. MSNBC on its own isn't going to do it against FOX and CNN.

While I hate Chris Matthews as much as Tucker Carlson, at least Matthews has a bit of entertainment value. Tim Russert can be as bad or as good as anyone out there (his interview with Hillary Clinton yesterday showed off both); and Keith Oberman's "Countdown" show is great for what it is (the anti-FOX News Channel), but it's as hack and predictable as O'Reilly, and can be dull if viewed with any regularly - and, besides, Oberman came across looking very small in comparison with Tom Brokaw, when they were having a conversation on their recent election coverage.

Now, what's surprised me is that I've become a fan of "The Morning Joe" with Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski since they've began so much focus on the election. They don't fall so easily into the "he said/she said" or "left and right" chatting heads molds - they've been overly fair with the news coming out of the campaigns; they were some of the only people really fair with Hillary between the primaries. This kind of surprised me, since I avoided MSNBC in the morning because of "Imus" for so long, and I wasn't a fan of "Scarborough Country."

My only real complaint is they are such small potatoes that they cannibalize the same group of professional pundit guests - especially Chris Matthews and Tim Russert. The only exception is Pat Buchanan, who I will always disagree with about everything, but who I will always watch and appreciate his opinion; I'd love to see one of these shows, for once, tap someone like John McLaughlin as a guest.

I'm sure I'll burn out on "Morning Joe" soon enough (one more line about The Red Sox or Mike Brzezinski's brothers and father) as I do with most things, but it is an interesting comparison to watch that and then switch to CNN or Fox at the same time, and contrast it with what most of the country is watching.

[Furtherman]

Wallace Reprimanded for Reprimanding Colleagues


Chris Wallace has acknowledged that he was reprimanded -- gently -- by a Fox News executive (whom he did not name) after he accused Fox & Friends hosts Steve Doocy and Gretchen Carlson of "Obama bashing" and taking the Democratic presidential candidate's remarks out of context on a recent program. "Frankly, I think you're somewhat distorting what Obama had to say," he commented on the program. When he concluded by remarking, "I still love you," Doocy responded that he had "an odd way of showing it." Wallace later told the New York Observer that he received an email from one of his bosses scolding him. "It was in the sense that, isn't this the kind of thing we should be talking about off camera, not on camera? I emailed him back and said, 'I think you're generally right, and I'm not going to make a habit of it.' He wrote me right back and said, 'Fine, forget about it. Have a good Easter.'"

Since when is anyone on FOX News in the mindset that "maybe we should talk about this off-camera like civilized people".

Meh... it's still ravaged with AIDS.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fox news does have the hottest newsbabes Laurie Dhue and Julie Banderas are just 2 examples

[Gvac]

FOX news RULES!!!

What do you like, The CLINTON News Network?!?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

[epo]

Is Chris Wallace finally starting to act like his father?

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[Crispy123]

FOX SUX DIX

[keithy_19]

I watch Fox News more than any other source. So hate me then too.


I'm in the same boat as 2003 Moe. CNN is second, followed by MSNB(though I love the Lockup shows, for straight news I don't like them)

[jauble]

I get all my news from rf.net. I think of mikeyboy as hannity and mojo as colmbs (if colmbs were a cubs fan of course)

[foodcourtdruide]

This isn't foxnews related, but it's a media piece. NPR's On The Media ran an incredible story about embedded reports in Iraq. Basically they pieced together 6 weeks of phone calls from an embedded reporter at the beginning of the war and revisited them. REALLY interesting stuff.

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2008/03/21/02

[angrymissy]

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[topless_mike]

i watch fox for the news, and cnn for entertaintment (and a good loff)

[TheMojoPin]

I get all my news from rf.net. I think of mikeyboy as hannity and mojo as colmbs (if colmbs were a cubs fan of course)

Oh boy! I'm the handsome one!

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[booster11373]

ALL WAYS SETTING THE BAR FOR JOURNALISM

FOX NEWS

Man Claims to Speak 'Australian' After Allegedly Being Raped by Wombat

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,342099,00.html

clearly this story NEEDDED to be told

[scottinnj]

the wombat's excuse is that he was driven mad after watching his dad get eaten by a dingo.

[topless_mike]

the wombat's excuse is that he was driven mad after watching his dad get eaten by a dingo.

dam frisky dingos

[Zorro]

...there's no love like wombat love...

[DolaMight]

I have Fox News and The New York Times gadgets on my iGoogle homepage, right beside each other because I love the contrast of their headlines when news breaks.

Today was a great example of how of their ideologies infect their objective headlines.


Fox News : California High Court Nixes Gay Marriage Ban

New York Times : California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage


Fox comes at it from the angle that the activist court is overturning established precedent and NYT comes at it as the good court affirmed the human right of marriage.

It's blatant editorializing in the headlines trying to manipulate the readers opinion. While I may agree with NYT's position in that I don't give a shit what others do with their lives, I still gotta say their headline was even more slanted than Fox's.

[scottinnj]

john gibson is funny.

[HBox]

I have Fox News and The New York Times gadgets on my iGoogle homepage, right beside each other because I love the contrast of their headlines when news breaks.

Today was a great example of how of their ideologies infect their objective headlines.


Fox News : California High Court Nixes Gay Marriage Ban

New York Times : California Court Affirms Right to Gay Marriage


Fox comes at it from the angle that the activist court is overturning established precedent and NYT comes at it as the good court affirmed the human right of marriage.

It's blatant editorializing in the headlines trying to manipulate the readers opinion. While I may agree with NYT's position in that I don't give a shit what others do with their lives, I still gotta say their headline was even more slanted than Fox's.

They are both equally right and wrong. There was a voter referendum banning gay marriage in 2000. The California legislature overturned that in 2005.

[HBox]

This isn't Fox News but its a great example of a complete dressdown of an ignorant right wing radio noise machine. I wish more media people would just completely embarrass these partisan screamers like this.

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[epo]

Here is an example of Fox News from today.

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So desperate for a story about radicals that they end up getting some comedy.

[scottinnj]

Here is an example of Fox News from today.

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So desperate for a story about radicals that they end up getting some comedy.

Uhh.....that was a McCain commercial. How's that tied in with Fox News?

[epo]

Uhh.....that was a McCain commercial. How's that tied in with Fox News?

Thanks Scott, it's fixed.

[scottinnj]

You're right, that's comedy gold.

"Can you make a statement without cursing"

"Back to you, it's out of control here"

[DonInNC]

Is that one of the McKenzie brothers?

[epo]

You're right, that's comedy gold.

"Can you make a statement without cursing"

"Back to you, it's out of control here"

Do you not believe in freedom?

"Fuck Fox News! Fuck Fox News!"

[K.C.]

I have digital cable and have locked out every channel except Fox News.


...I can't believe NBC is helping Iran build nuclear weapons, and Hillary and Putin are reconstituting the Soviet Union.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm in the same boat as 2003 Moe. CNN is second, followed by MSNB(though I love the Lockup shows, for straight news I don't like them)

Don't listen to 2003 Moe, he's a cunt politically.

[Freitag]

Disclosure: I like Fox News, but this was on the front page of FoxNews.com this morning:

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409781,00.html">Are they actually ignorning the DNC that much that a 2-year-old South Park episode is front page news?</a>

[Zorro]

I was watching MSNBC yesterday and Chris Matthews has an absolute man-crush on Obama... It was hard too watch.

But my favorite was when he said "look at all those straw hats. I can't remember the last time I saw those election hats" Then when they went to a crowd shot all the hats had the MSNBC "The Place for Politics" logo on them. Did no one tell him they were being handed out or was he just shilling for the network?

oh and Ed Rendell's comments on MSNBC are informative

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html

[K.C.]

I was watching MSNBC yesterday and Chris Matthews has an absolute man-crush on Obama... It was hard too watch.

But my favorite was when he said "look at all those straw hats. I can't remember the last time I saw those election hats" Then when they went to a crowd shot all the hats had the MSNBC "The Place for Politics" logo on them. Did no one tell him they were being handed out or was he just shilling for the network?

oh and Ed Rendell's comments on MSNBC are informative

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0808/Rendell_Obama_coverage_was_embarrassing.html


Matthews has been beyond embarrassing for years now.

I trace it back to the first time Darrell Hammond started doing a Chris Matthews impression on SNL. Ever since then, it's like Matthews has been doing an impression of Darrell Hammond doing an impression of him.


Really, MSNBC and CNN aren't much better...but they're slightly more fair. FOX is just hired hatchetmen, especially, at night.

[Zorro]

Disclosure: I like Fox News, but this was on the front page of FoxNews.com this morning:

<a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,409781,00.html">Are they actually ignorning the DNC that much that a 2-year-old South Park episode is front page news?</a>

They actually have an entire section devoted solely to the DN Conv...

MSNBC and CNN also had the convention relegated to the bottom of the page... I guess when things get rolling it will all move up.

[foodcourtdruide]

They actually have an entire section devoted solely to the DN Conv...

MSNBC and CNN also had the convention relegated to the bottom of the page... I guess when things get rolling it will all move up.

NPR's OnTheMedia had an awesome piece on the pointlessness of covering both conventions. They're basically just staged media events, no real news will likely come out from either and in the end we'll just have 15,000+ journalists shoving redundant stories and party slogans down our throats.

[SatCam]

Here is an example of Fox News from today.

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So desperate for a story about radicals that they end up getting some comedy.



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[Sue_Bender]

<object width="425" height="344">

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That video just makes me loathe both sides, really. :thumbdown:


Where's the couth?

[BinaryBimbo]

That video just makes me loathe both sides, really. :thumbdown:


Where's the couth?


No shit. Any chance they had of getting their message out while whining that they are being treated unfairly by being caged up like animals just went away for good.

These are the same people that claim Ward Churchhill's right to free speech was violated with his firing. Makes me almost ashamed of my radical youth; but at least we were talking to the media civilly.

Someone tell me the differnece between an anarchist and these demonstraters please.
Then please tell me what their message was besides fuck fox news.

[booster11373]

I love it!! a real attack on the "media"

[epo]

I wonder why people hate Fox News:

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After asking for show of hands...only one person claims to be voting for McCain, but according to Fox News the room is "split".

:wallbash:

[HBox]

I wonder why people hate Fox News:

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After asking for show of hands...only one person claims to be voting for McCain, but according to Fox News the room is "split".

:wallbash:

The funniest part of that was the guy who was going to raise his hand for McCain until his wife started smacking him.

[dino_electropolis]

I wonder why people hate Fox News:

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After asking for show of hands...only one person claims to be voting for McCain, but according to Fox News the room is "split".

:wallbash:

well, the room is split, technically.....just not an even split, as the fox douche reporter would have us believe.

[tele7]

The funniest part of that was the guy who was going to raise his hand for McCain until his wife started smacking him.

If you listen closely you can hear a guy say "it's split?"...then everyone starts laughing.

[HBox]

Pop quiz everybody. Who said the following?

“It gets me angry. I do talk radio and most talk radio is conservative-dominated ideologues; Kool-Aid drinking idiots. Idiots. Screaming at you that this is socialism, this is this, this is that. ‘It’s Clinton’s fault.’ It’s Clinton’s fault? He hasn’t been in office in 8 years. It’s Bush’s fault! It happened under Bush’s watch"

“But let’s get back to this talk radio stuff. These idiots. I mean, they’re misleading you. They’re lying to you. They’re rich, these guys. Big cigars. All of that. ‘Yeah, oh yeah, my private jet!’ And they’re saying, ‘Oh, no! No bail out!’ Uh, uh, no way!"

“Hey! You’re going to get it, not them! That foreign investment pulls out, we are toast! And they’ll pull out if this bailout doesn’t happen. Are you getting the message here? Walk away from these liars, these right-wing liars. Walk away from them! They’re not looking out for you.”

The answer WILL surprise you. (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/30/mark-levin-attacks-bill-oreilly-you-paid-more-in-hush-money-for-your-little-phone-sex-than-ive-ever-earned/)

[underdog]

Pop quiz everybody. Who said the following?



The answer WILL surprise you. (http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/09/30/mark-levin-attacks-bill-oreilly-you-paid-more-in-hush-money-for-your-little-phone-sex-than-ive-ever-earned/)

Who are you, Mojo?

[HBox]

Who are you, Mojo?

No........ I'm HBox.



















































I think.......

[underdog]

No........ I'm HBox.

/

I think.......

Do you guys not listen to the Ron and Fez show together? :tongue:

[SP1!]

Really, MSNBC and CNN aren't much better...but they're slightly more fair. FOX is just hired hatchetmen, especially, at night.

Really? You really believe they are more fair? Wow, people are living in a different world than me I guess, msnbc is fucking way left and cnn is about like fox just the liberal side of the news.

In fox's defense they are the least biased on their news coverage, their opinions shows on the other hand.....

[hammersavage]

Really? You really believe they are more fair? Wow, people are living in a different world than me I guess, msnbc is fucking way left and cnn is about like fox just the liberal side of the news.

In fox's defense they are the least biased on their news coverage, their opinions shows on the other hand.....

No they aren't. Not in the slightest bit no...

[brettmojo]

I think I'm gonna' watch the debate on FOX tonight. I know she's gonna' be a train wreck and it'll be fun to watch FOX try to play it her as the greatest political debate since Lincoln/Douglas.

[Furtherman]

I look forward to the ditto heads excuses tomorrow on how she did.

[SP1!]

I look forward to the ditto heads excuses tomorrow on how she did.

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid, same argument they have used against bush in each election. That worked out well for them.

Whats amazing is biden probably lost points for his bullshit rhetoric speech at the end last night, that was complete crap.

[scottinnj]

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid, same argument they have used against bush in each election. That worked out well for them.

Whats amazing is biden probably lost points for his bullshit rhetoric speech at the end last night, that was complete crap.

It won't happen because the left is too busy making fun of Palin's performance.

[AKA]

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid, same argument they have used against bush in each election. That worked out well for them.

Hey, no one said that morons couldn't memorize stuff - that's all she proved she did. WOW! How patriotic and maverickesque - let's make her vice president!

Yet another crushing loss for the neo-cons, and Grand Old Prick party, just aching to see Biden take the bait - Obama didn't in his debate, why would Biden do it in this one?Nope - no opportunity to let her look like a victim - he came prepared to debate John McCain and she did a stump speech which ultimately did a SHITTY job of defending McCain.

Biden could have cleaned her clock with one tooth strapped behind his back, but he was having too much fun letting her hang herself with sentences that made no sense, and continuously getting General David McKiernan's name wrong.

Whats amazing is biden probably lost points for his bullshit rhetoric speech at the end last night, that was complete crap.

No - what's amazing is that Palin's brilliant performance did zero to move her or McCain up in the polls - 10th day in a row with Obama and Biden enjoying a "significant" advantage in the national polls, including 3 full days now after the debate.

Advantage: Biden

[Furtherman]

I look forward to the ditto heads excuses tomorrow on how she did.

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid, same argument they have used against bush in each election. That worked out well for them.

Whats amazing is biden probably lost points for his bullshit rhetoric speech at the end last night, that was complete crap.

That is a perfect ditto head response. Well done!

[CousinDave]

For years I always found the news to be the best on CNN and the shows better on Fox. That's somewhat changed over the last couple of years.

Most of the rubes out there can't distinguish between what is news and what are nothing more than tabloid TV shows. I mean Bill O'Reily hosted Inside Edition for about 10 years before going to Fox, only difference is he deals with a lot more politicians then he does celebrities now, but he still has lots of entertainment, pop culture, and celebrities on his show.

CNN is still my preference of the 3 for news, especially when it comes to international news, I tend to flip back and forth between the prime time shows on Fox & MSNBC. I can't stand Larry King and Anderson Cooper. The last year or so I think Chris Mathews has totally lost it, Hardball, is now Softball at best, very rarely does he ask anyone tough questions. I think he wants to be a regular on the View now or something, may be he's just getting old and tired.

Ya know Robert Kennedy's son is one of the top news guys at Fox, he's been there almost from the beginning.

[brettmojo]

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid,
Why bulldoze a burning building?

[torker]

I don't mind FOX, but , man, Hannity is a boob. Fucking one note song fathead.

[CousinDave]

I am still waiting for the lefts excuses on why biden didnt destroy her since biden is sooooooo knowledgeable and palin is sooooooooo stupid, same argument they have used against bush in each election. That worked out well for them.

Whats amazing is biden probably lost points for his bullshit rhetoric speech at the end last night, that was complete crap.


Did anybody really expect Biden to do this? The guy is a clown at best, who has run for President multiple times and gotten nowhere. I did expect him to do a lot better than he did, (I'm not by any means saying Plain won) I mean he was in like 20 debates during the primary season.

Things you can always count on Biden to do, make things up, but look and sound serious, so enough rubes will believe him, and cry over the death of his wife and daughter - that's really paid off for him over the last 35 years.

Biden will also make statements regarding the accident where his wife and daughter were killed like, "I heard the truck driver was drinking his lunch." Now Biden knows this is complete bullshit, he knows the guy in the truck was not drinking, he knows the accident was 100% the fault of his wife, and he knows his wife killed his daughter and almost killed his two sons. He's able to get away with not getting sued because he says "I heard ...." He may be crying on the outside but on the inside he's laughing his ass off, that people actually buy these fake tears of his.

The Obama / Biden ticket isn't going to get anywhere the amount of votes from Teamster members that they think they will, with Biden trying to claim a truck driver was drinking and for an accident that wasn't his fault - really classy guy that Biden is.

[booster11373]

Did anybody really expect Biden to do this? The guy is a clown at best, who has run for President multiple times and gotten nowhere. I did expect him to do a lot better than he did, (I'm not by any means saying Plain won) I mean he was in like 20 debates during the primary season.

Things you can always count on Biden to do, make things up, but look and sound serious, so enough rubes will believe him, and cry over the death of his wife and daughter - that's really paid off for him over the last 35 years.

Biden will also make statements regarding the accident where his wife and daughter were killed like, "I heard the truck driver was drinking his lunch." Now Biden knows this is complete bullshit, he knows the guy in the truck was not drinking, he knows the accident was 100% the fault of his wife, and he knows his wife killed his daughter and almost killed his two sons. He's able to get away with not getting sued because he says "I heard ...." He may be crying on the outside but on the inside he's laughing his ass off, that people actually buy these fake tears of his.

The Obama / Biden ticket isn't going to get anywhere the amount of votes from Teamster members that they think they will, with Biden trying to claim a truck driver was drinking and for an accident that wasn't his fault - really classy guy that Biden is.

I guess he will lose the alcoholic vote as well

[ChimneyFish]

Along with the all important "Uncle Dad" vote.

[DarkHippie]

Did anybody really expect Biden to do this? The guy is a clown at best, who has run for President multiple times and gotten nowhere. I did expect him to do a lot better than he did, (I'm not by any means saying Plain won) I mean he was in like 20 debates during the primary season.

Things you can always count on Biden to do, make things up, but look and sound serious, so enough rubes will believe him, and cry over the death of his wife and daughter - that's really paid off for him over the last 35 years.

Biden will also make statements regarding the accident where his wife and daughter were killed like, "I heard the truck driver was drinking his lunch." Now Biden knows this is complete bullshit, he knows the guy in the truck was not drinking, he knows the accident was 100% the fault of his wife, and he knows his wife killed his daughter and almost killed his two sons. He's able to get away with not getting sued because he says "I heard ...." He may be crying on the outside but on the inside he's laughing his ass off, that people actually buy these fake tears of his.

The Obama / Biden ticket isn't going to get anywhere the amount of votes from Teamster members that they think they will, with Biden trying to claim a truck driver was drinking and for an accident that wasn't his fault - really classy guy that Biden is.

How do you know whether he was drinking or not, or whose fault the accident was? And my brother is a Teamster, they are most definitely Pro-Obama.

[TheMojoPin]

Ya know Robert Kennedy's son is one of the top news guys at Fox, he's been there almost from the beginning.

Which son? The man had a freakin' herd.

[NewYorkDragons80]

I don't mind FOX, but , man, Hannity is a boob. Fucking one note song fathead.

I'll take Hannity over O'Reilly or Olbermann any day of the decade.

[torker]

Which son? The man had a freakin' herd.
He sounds like Kim Carnes.

[TheMojoPin]

I'll take Hannity over O'Reilly or Olbermann any day of the decade.

Jeez, do we have to take any of them?

[torker]

I'll take Hannity over O'Reilly or Olbermann any day of the decade.

O'Reilly blows with the wind. Olbermann is boring schtick. Hannity is pure douche.
I wouldn't fuck him with Maddow's formidable cock.

[HBox]

There's a controversy regarding the latest Newsweek cover, but you'll have to take Fox News' word for it. (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10091952&ch=4226716&src=news)

:wallbash:

[scottinnj]

There's a controversy regarding the latest Newsweek cover, but you'll have to take Fox News' word for it. (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10091952&ch=4226716&src=news)

:wallbash:

"It's a slap in the face to Governor Palin"

"An unretouched photo showing hairs, blemishes, wrinkles..."

Anchor:

"Trust me on this one"

[HBox]

"Trust me on this one"

I'd trust Lehman Brothers with all my money before I trust her.

[Sinestro]

Did the hot chick on the right say that if you zoomed up on her....it wouldn't be pretty? She looked okay to me.

[torker]

Did the hot chick on the right say that if you zoomed up on her....it wouldn't be pretty? She looked okay to me.
http://www.thepalestra.com/school/thumbs/8077130x100.jpg

[angrymissy]

They should talk.

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-steinberg.jpg
http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/fox-20080702-redicliffe.jpg

[Furtherman]

There's a controversy regarding the latest Newsweek cover, but you'll have to take Fox News' word for it. (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=10091952&ch=4226716&src=news)

:wallbash:

Oh my god.... SHE'S HUMAN!!!!

[MacVittie]

If this isn't a loaded headline, I don't know what is: "Jesse Jackson says Obama would stop putting Israeli interests first."

[JerseySean]

He sounds like Kim Carnes.

Are we now shitting on Kim Carnes, because I dont have the stomach for that.

[JerseySean]

If this isn't a loaded headline, I don't know what is: "Jesse Jackson says Obama would stop putting Israeli interests first."

The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.

Jackson believes that, although "Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.

loaded, maybe....but not misleading. This is actually frightening

[TheMojoPin]

loaded, maybe....but not misleading. This is actually frightening

How so?

[JerseySean]

How so?

Israel is our firewall in the middle east. We have a tremendously robust business relationship with Israeli tech, textile and other businesses. The protection of Israel should be our top foreign policy priority.

[TheMojoPin]

Firewall?

That's a pretty crappy firewall.

The Zionists fucked over the Brits between 1917 and 1947 and they''ve been doing an extension of that to use for the last 30+ years. I'm not saying leave Israel out to dry, but we don't have to basically roll over when they ask us to.

[JerseySean]

Firewall?

That's a pretty crappy firewall.

The Zionists fucked over the Brits between 1917 and 1947 and they''ve been doing an extension of that to use for the last 30+ years. I'm not saying leave Israel out to dry, but we don't have to basically roll over when they ask us to.

Actually its pretty damn strong. Stop using the term Zionist. It is an anti-Semetic term in most contexts. It is the equivalent to referring to Earl as a negro or a colored. You can go back to Herzl, King Feisel, etc. But there is a political reality today which is that we need to stand by and protect that nation at mosly all costs. I dont know when we have rolled over at the request of Israel.

[TooLowBrow]

Actually its pretty damn strong. Stop using the term Zionist. It is an anti-Semetic term in most contexts. It is the equivalent to referring to Earl as a negro or a colored. You can go back to Herzl, King Feisel, etc. But there is a political reality today which is that we need to stand by and protect that nation at mosly all costs. I dont know when we have rolled over at the request of Israel.

By the rivers of babylyon
Where he sat down
And there he went
When he remebered zion.

For the wicked, carry us away
Captivity require from us a song
How can we sing king alphas song in a strange land?

[Sloppy2nds]

A five year old thread

[yojimbo7248]

Israel is our firewall in the middle east. We have a tremendously robust business relationship with Israeli tech, textile and other businesses. The protection of Israel should be our top foreign policy priority.

More importantly, the Lord wants us to support Israel. In Leviticus 19:25, God says, "From this day on whoever is your enemy will also be mine. Any friend of your, Oh Israel, will be my friend too."

[Furtherman]

More importantly, the Lord wants us to support Israel.

No he doesn't.

[TheMojoPin]

Actually its pretty damn strong. Stop using the term Zionist. It is an anti-Semetic term in most contexts. It is the equivalent to referring to Earl as a negro or a colored.

Uh, no, it refers to a specific politial mindset/movement that still exists today and is basically responsible for the founding of Israel. Yes, people use the term "zionist" negatively just like they can twist the word "jew" and use it negatively...I'm using it as in "Zionists," the political/social movement that began in the UK in the late 19th cenury, pushed for the creation of Israel and continues to this day. Israel exists because of the Zionists.

It's not a slur. It's accurate historical terminology that still applies today to a number of politial opinions, actions and movements in Israel. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionists) I'm using it because I'm not actually talking about Israelis as a whole...I'm talking about the Zionists. Zionists these days tend to be the more extreme parts of Israeli society and government. There are many conflicts within Israel between Zionists and non-Zionists, so it's false to try and refer to the country as just one block of people that get along and all share the same political opinions.

[Yerdaddy]

Israel is our firewall in the middle east. We have a tremendously robust business relationship with Israeli tech, textile and other businesses. The protection of Israel should be our top foreign policy priority.

Nice metaphor, but what the hell does it mean? Firewall against what? Muslim spyware? Arab trojan horses sneaking jalabiyyas into our textile imports?

[scottinnj]

Nice metaphor, but what the hell does it mean? Firewall against what? Muslim spyware? Arab trojan horses sneaking jalabiyyas into our textile imports?

We sell them f-16s and spare parts at wholesale prices, they take care of the dirty work that gets us kicked off the UN security council if we did it ourselves.

P.S.: Damn glad to see you budday!

[A.J.]

Israel is our firewall in the middle east. We have a tremendously robust business relationship with Israeli tech, textile and other businesses. The protection of Israel should be our top foreign policy priority.

Firewall?

That's a pretty crappy firewall.

The Zionists fucked over the Brits between 1917 and 1947 and they''ve been doing an extension of that to use for the last 30+ years. I'm not saying leave Israel out to dry, but we don't have to basically roll over when they ask us to.

What Mojo said.

Israel's biggest value to the U.S. is that they buy our weapons and they become a foreign policy issue every election.

Oh, and sometimes they don't spy on us.

[A.J.]

We sell them f-16s and spare parts at wholesale prices, they take care of the dirty work that gets us kicked off the UN security council if we did it ourselves.

And then we have the entire Arab world blaming us for supporting Israeli transgressions. Thanks Israel!

[scottinnj]

And then we have the entire Arab world blaming us for supporting Israeli transgressions. Thanks Israel!

Yeah, I've said before I like our relationship with Israel, but moments like the invasion of Lebanon to go after Hezbollah was too much for me.

It's one thing to defend the borders, it's another to go halfway into a country and occupy it for 3 weeks.

[high fly]

Yeah, I've said before I like our relationship with Israel, but moments like the invasion of Lebanon to go after Hezbollah was too much for me.

It's one thing to defend the borders, it's another to go halfway into a country and occupy it for 3 weeks.

....and get your ass handed to you by rabble....

[scottinnj]

....and get your ass handed to you by rabble....

Yeah, almost forgot about those rabble-rousers.

Anyone else see the Morgan Spurlock "Where in the world is Osama Bin Laden"

Them Jewie Jews sure do like their ruckuses.

[booster11373]

So is it possible to examine the American Israeli relationship with out coming off anti semitic?

[high fly]

So is it possible to examine the American Israeli relationship with out coming off anti semitic?

Not to some.
The Bush administration hired two undersecretaries who were caught red-handed giving classified information to the Israelis but were not prosecuted:
Richard Perle and Doug Feith.
Both were given jobs where they handled highly classified information, to boot!

[booster11373]

Isreal and its supporters have gotten into bed with the American Christian right, this realationship might suit Isreal in the near and short term but in the long run.........

[scottinnj]

So is it possible to examine the American Israeli relationship with out coming off anti semitic?

I have no problems with that. Our relationship with Israel must include their acceptance of a US foreign policy of a free and independent Palestine.


Edit: The only way to be able to broker deals between Arabian states is that the ENTIRE region must be convinced of our neutrality when acting as a mediator-and every Arabian state must need to know that military action against Israel will result in a US response.

It's a tough balancing act, but good diplomacy can make it possible.

[DolaMight]

I like comparing NYT and FNC headlines

Today's was a the shoe tosser story

NYT : Iraqi Journalist Hurls Shoes at Bush and Denounces Him on TV as a ‘Dog’
NYT followup: Shoe-Hurling Iraqi Becomes a Folk Hero

FNC : President Bush dodges thrown shoes

Same simple story. But both editors decide to phrase it in they want to portray it.

NYT - Bush is hated, FNC - Bush's reflexes still agile

[scottinnj]

Two different approaches to the story, and yet the Times and FNC are both correct.

[K.C.]

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[TheMojoPin]

For a while now, Glenn Beck has easily been the news figure I loathe above all others. He takes all the hacky scaremongering non-content of all the other pundits and talking heads and ramps it up to about 350%. On the 21st, he finally went off the deep end with his hour-long "War Room" specil where he and "experts" supposedly breakdown how the U.S. and the rest of the world could breakdown by 2014 due to a shattered global economy. I love that one of the experts is schlock political thriller writer Brad Thor.

Here's a greatest hits montage of some of the better moments:

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You can see the whole thing if you want if you go to YouTube and search for "Glenn Beck" and "Economic 911."

What a monumental douche. He seems to pride himself on being a "regular guy" who speaks for the "heartland," which is apparently code for being an uninformed, alarmist sack of shit. The man is acomplete waste of everything.

[high fly]

Nice metaphor, but what the hell does it mean? Firewall against what? Muslim spyware? Arab trojan horses sneaking jalabiyyas into our textile imports?


Israel is our "firewall" because if they ever go down, the terrists are gonna be coming across the beach at Nag's Head like when the Marines on Iwo Jima....

[HamandEgger]

Whenever I need a laugh, I listen for the commericial from fox that says, Fair and Balanced. We report, you decide.

[high fly]

I just found a note I scribbled to myself before the election.
Shawn Manatee said if Obama was elected that America would turn into France in two weeks....

[hammersavage]

I just found a note I scribbled to myself before the election.
Shawn Manatee said if Obama was elected that America would turn into France in two weeks....

Jerry Lewis IS getting an honorary Oscar tonight. Weird.....

[cougarjake13]

I just found a note I scribbled to myself before the election.
Shawn Manatee said if Obama was elected that America would turn into France in two weeks....

well i have noticed that women have stopped shaving their pits


you may be on to something

[hammersavage]

Mimes are everywhere

[Furtherman]

What a monumental douche. He seems to pride himself on being a "regular guy" who speaks for the "heartland," which is apparently code for being an uninformed, alarmist sack of shit. The man is acomplete waste of everything.

When he had his show on HLN, I would occasionally watch. I didn't always agree, but I did get a sense that he was a decent guy and was no where near the idiot-icy of all the other talking heads.

But then he went to FOX News.

Hole-Lee-Shit-Burger.

I watch a episode where he was screaming that we're going to be invaded by Mexico.

And I saw some of what you posted Mojo - I guess HLN had a man with a taser under his desk and for fear of a good ball-tasering, he kept the insanity to a minimum. I was disappointed in his new ramblings, but then again I never listened to his radio show and he might have always been this nuts.

And I watched that Red Zone show over the weekend because Norton was on it.

Even he couldn't save that drek they dare call comedy. They were so funny - to themselves. Norton should know better. Awful.

[west milly Tom]

Anyone who speaks for middle America is uninformed? You sir are the douche. Liberalism is the new form of bigotry and you are a pioneer.

If I said anyone who speaks for urban America is uninformed I'd be labeled a racist and a bigot, but when you say middle America its totally different. Eat a dick budday.

[underdog]

Anyone who speaks for middle America is uninformed? You sir are the douche. Liberalism is the new form of bigotry and you are a pioneer.

If I said anyone who speaks for urban America is uninformed I'd be labeled a racist and a bigot, but when you say middle America its totally different. Eat a dick budday.

Who are you talking to?

[Furtherman]

Anyone who speaks for middle America is uninformed?

He didn't say "anyone", he said Glenn Beck.

[west milly Tom]

He didn't say "anyone", he said Glenn Beck.

Speaks for the heartland was a broad statement not just refering to Glenn Beck. And even if you say it wasn't I'd be willing to bet that's the viewpoint retained anyway.

[HBox]

Now I'm scared of narco-gangs.

[Recyclerz]

I just found a note I scribbled to myself before the election.
Shawn Manatee said if Obama was elected that America would turn into France in two weeks....

Oui il a fait. Aimeriez-vous quelque fromage ?


I think the right-wing shock jocks have the sense that their target audience is shrinking and that to stand out they are going to have to "take it up a notch" to win the Darwinian struggle to keep their fat cash daddy-o speaking fees rolling in. Rush & Hannity are probably safe but all the B-listers are going to be increasingly desparate. This should be entertaining. :popcorn:

[HBox]

Internet connects like-minded people

OH GOD NO!

[Furtherman]

Now I'm scared of narco-gangs.

And marauding motorcycle gangs in NYC!!! Can you believe that crap? Oh, and the RED ALERT lighting was a nice touch. I'm surprised he didn't claim Klingons were invading.

If the FOX News logo wasn't in the corner, I'd think this was a Daily Show parody - which I'm sure they will.

They called out O'Reilly nicely just the other week, as he was raging against the paparazzi and their intrusive manners and then he went right into a story where he has one of his reporters running onto a politician's bus, uninvited, asking why he wouldn't go on the Factor and had a microphone almost up the guy's nose.

[TheMojoPin]

Speaks for the heartland was a broad statement not just refering to Glenn Beck. And even if you say it wasn't I'd be willing to bet that's the viewpoint retained anyway.

How does specifically talking about Glenn Beck and his delusions qualify as a general statement? I put "heartland" in quotes because he DOESN'T speak for it and just has the ridiculous notion that he does and that it justifies the alarmist scaremongering he tries to pass off as journalism.

I don't give a damn good or bad about the "heartlad" otherwise because it's largely a nonexistent conept that tries to group together drastically different people who make up a huge segment of our population. It's like the grunge music of demographics labels.

[TheMojoPin]

Anyone who speaks for middle America is uninformed? You sir are the douche. Liberalism is the new form of bigotry and you are a pioneer.

If I said anyone who speaks for urban America is uninformed I'd be labeled a racist and a bigot, but when you say middle America its totally different. Eat a dick budday.

Knock off the uncalled for personal attacks.

[Furtherman]

Speaks for the heartland was a broad statement not just refering to Glenn Beck. And even if you say it wasn't I'd be willing to bet that's the viewpoint retained anyway.

When someone who you disagree with says a term like "heartland", that doesn't mean he's insulting the heartland.

[TheMojoPin]

When someone who you disagree with says a term like "heartland", that doesn't mean he's insulting the heartland.

Or that "the heartland" even exists.

[epo]

Or that "the heartland" even exists.

Thank you. That heartland/Middle America mythology drives me fucking insane.

[Zorro]

Oui il a fait. Aimeriez-vous quelque fromage ?


I think the right-wing shock jocks have the sense that their target audience is shrinking and that to stand out they are going to have to "take it up a notch" to win the Darwinian struggle to keep their fat cash daddy-o speaking fees rolling in. Rush & Hannity are probably safe but all the B-listers are going to be increasingly desparate. This should be entertaining. :popcorn:

Actually when you look at the ratings it seems to be growing. Obama has been the best thing to happen to Fox news since the "blue dress"

[underdog]

Speaks for the heartland was a broad statement not just refering to Glenn Beck. And even if you say it wasn't I'd be willing to bet that's the viewpoint retained anyway.

Good argument.

"Even if you say that's not what you mean, I know it is."

[scottinnj]

He didn't say "anyone", he said Glenn Beck.

He (Glenn Beck) is such a disappointment to me. When he was on 1210 AM in Philadelphia a few years back, he really was the "everyday conservative" and put on a very good show when he was first syndicated. It started going to pot when he went on CNN, and now his TV show and his radio show sounds like audition tapes for the "coast to coast"
radio show if it ever opened up a political roundtable.
He was entertaining at one point, but now he just sounds like Hannity on a script of lithium.

[scottinnj]

Actually when you look at the ratings it seems to be growing. Obama has been the best thing to happen to Fox news since the "blue dress"

The same could be said for MSNBC when Bush was in office. Fox News is definitely Republican, but that's alright by me. Every administration needs a "loyal opposition" and for the rest of it, we the people can hash it out here.

[hexy68]

This morning I was flipping by Fox News and was stopped by an attention grabbing headline:

Weapons Grade nuclear material found in Iraq.

My first thought is "Holy Shit!" I keep watching and they have some kind of military guy talking about all the dangers of Iraq having nuclear material. I continue watching for another 15 minutes. No other details about what was found or where it was found are discussed. So I remeber, "Oh yeah, I'm watching Fox News," and move on.

So tonight I find this article:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/898667.asp?0cv=CB10

So I go to Fox News.com. I find this article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83821,00.html
And then right below that article is this article refuting the previous article:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,83867,00.html

Let it never be said Fox News puts the truth before speed and sensationalism.

then don't watch it

[A.J.]

When someone who you disagree with says a term like "heartland", that doesn't mean he's insulting the heartland.

Or that "the heartland" even exists.

I hear they have little pink houses for you and me.

[west milly Tom]

I lived in Tulsa for a bit while attending Oral Roberts University. Let me tell you the people there do consider themselves as being in the "heartland" of the country. Although you believe it is a dividing term it is one that they take pride in. The term was not invented by fox news to boost ratings.
Mojo-sorry for the douche comment.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Let me tell you the people there do consider themselves as being in the "heartland" of the country.

http://krofft.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/willenholly.jpg


No, the Hearltand is real. The female orgasm; THAT's the myth

[HBox]

then don't watch it

Did you really just reply to an almost 6 year old quote of mine?

[west milly Tom]

http://krofft.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/willenholly.jpg


No, the Hearltand is real. The female orgasm; THAT's the myth



Awesome. :lol:

[hexy68]

Did you really just reply to an almost 6 year old quote of mine?

it's what i do budday! :happy:

[west milly Tom]

Glenn Beck did just say police across the country are predicting a summer of rage because people are disenfranchised. He is a douche sometimes.

[midwestjeff]

Sounds awesome.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/LPG/51052~Rage-Against-The-Machine-Posters.jpg

[badmonkey]

Glenn Beck did just say police across the country are predicting a summer of rage because people are disenfranchised. He is a douche sometimes.

Probably heard it from this CNN article:
Police fear 'summer of rage' over recession (http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/02/23/recesssion.protests/)

[keithy_19]

I hate MSNBC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/msnbc_oh_god.html

[Dan 'Hampton]

Do people still not realize Olbermans gimic? He's Democrat Bill O'reilly. Unwatchable.

[HBox]

I hate MSNBC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/msnbc_oh_god.html

To be fair that was exactly what I was thinking as he walked up to the camera like he was a five year old coming to say hi to grandma.

[Slumbag]

I can't get mad at political pundits anymore.
It's like getting mad at a pro wrestler. It's all stupid.

[Dan 'Hampton]

I can't get mad at political pundits anymore.
It's like getting mad at a pro wrestler. It's all stupid.

Good point, in all reality the news keeps us stuck in a two party system. I do get sick to my stomach seeing government high-ups kissing ass to tv commentators.

[Furtherman]

I hate MSNBC.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/02/msnbc_oh_god.html

That could have been for anything. Non issue.

[Zorro]

That could have been for anything. Non issue.

Olberman like his counterpart O'Reilly are guys with a "schtick".

I fully expect page six or gawker or TMZ to publish a clandestinely snapped cell phone picture with the two of them sharing cocktails, smoking cigars and patting each other on the back. We're rubes walking down the midway while Olberman guesses our weight and O'reilly has us believing we're going to win that giant stuffed Panda.

[TheMojoPin]

Good point, in all reality the news keeps us stuck in a two party system.

And it's doing that how, exactly?

[Mark with a k]

maybe fox news hates you

[Dan 'Hampton]

And it's doing that how, exactly?

By keeping the masses hating the other party, just on what they hear from a pundit.

[keithy_19]

By keeping the masses hating the other party, just on what they hear from a pundit.

I'm a libertarian.

[scottinnj]

Do people still not realize Olbermans gimic? He's Democrat Bill O'reilly. Unwatchable.

Both have been lately, and I used to be an O'Reilly fan back in the day.

BTW, was that Olberman saying "Oh God" when Governor Jindal walked onto the platform to give the GOP response? I had to back up my DVR a couple times to confirm it was coming from the TV. I guess the producer didn't lower the mics fast enough and some off air laughter and "special commentary" came through for a second.

[keithy_19]

Both have been lately, and I used to be an O'Reilly fan back in the day.

BTW, was that Olberman saying "Oh God" when Governor Jindal walked onto the platform to give the GOP response? I had to back up my DVR a couple times to confirm it was coming from the TV. I guess the producer didn't lower the mics fast enough and some off air laughter and "special commentary" came through for a second.

I heard that it may have been Chris Matthews. Either way, Matthews and Oldberman completely suck.

O'Reilly sucks. But his show is more entertaining than Olberman or Matthews imo. And I watch O'Reilly just because I've created a dring game based on his show. The best part is you have to chug a beer when he gives away a book to a kid.

[lleeder]

I heard that it may have been Chris Matthews. Either way, Matthews and Oldberman completely suck.

O'Reilly sucks. But his show is more entertaining than Olberman or Matthews imo. And I watch O'Reilly just because I've created a dring game based on his show. The best part is you have to chug a beer when he gives away a book to a kid.

I never understood dring games.

[scottinnj]

I heard that it may have been Chris Matthews. Either way, Matthews and Oldberman completely suck.

O'Reilly sucks. But his show is more entertaining than Olberman or Matthews imo. And I watch O'Reilly just because I've created a dring game based on his show. The best part is you have to chug a beer when he gives away a book to a kid.

When O'Reilly brought on that girl to have a featured segment to study facial expressions and body language is when the show started tanking IMO.

But a drinking game using a loud Irish pundit's opinion show as the catalyst? Say it ain't so!

[TheMojoPin]

By keeping the masses hating the other party, just on what they hear from a pundit.

Something tells me that's hardly the reason we're focused on two parties. Contrary to the hype, we've been largely a two party system since day 1. The parties themselves have shifted or dropped out, but the American tendency to stick with a two-party system predates modern pundits by centuries.

[scottinnj]

Something tells me that's hardly the reason we're focused on two parties. Contrary to the hype, we've been largely a two party system since day 1. The parties themselves have shifted or dropped out, but the American tendency to stick with a two-party system predates modern pundits by centuries.

Plus a two-party system works better then most of the parliamentary systems. Any little hiccup and everything grinds to a halt while 5 parties argue over a "no-confidence" vote.

[epo]

Here is an example of why people hate Fox News:

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Fox claims Governor Bobby Jindal can't attend the CPAC convention because of "state business" but is actually on vacation in Orlando at DisneyWorld with his family.

I don't think anybody would begrudge Gov. Jindal a little vacation time with his kids at Disney...but Fox feels some kind of bullshit need to prop Jindal up for not going to some bullshit conversative convention by saying he is away on "state business". Honestly, I thought you had to at least TRY to massage the truth...not just outright lie.

[TheMojoPin]

Plus a two-party system works better then most of the parliamentary systems. Any little hiccup and everything grinds to a halt while 5 parties argue over a "no-confidence" vote.

On top of that, almost all of the major "3rd parties" in American history have hinged around regional issues. That's not a recipe for significant national or longterm success. If any of their issues moved to the national level, one of the major parties just co-opts it and that's that (think the Republicans and the issue of busing after Wallace or how the Democrats stole the thunder of the Populist party, etc., etc.). It has nothing to do with pundits or "the media."

[booster11373]

I laughed at this

Its like Christian end time porn and Glenn has a hard on the whole time

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[weekapaugjz]

holy shit, i can not stand glenn beck. watching fox news now waiting for red eye to come on and it's this shithead. i hadn't watched him in a long time, now i understand why some of you guys hate him so much. he stinks.

at least penn gillette is on, but never gets a word in because glenn beck can't stop running his mouth.

[epo]

I want to prove that Fox News is the dumbest shit ever:

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Sharia Law? Gimme a fucking break. Never mind the fact that this entire Fox News segment is based on an email string started in 2007 and now reported as "fact". If nothing proves that our government is fair, it is the very fact that Fox "News" has the ability to broadcast.

If ever in the future, somebody quotes Fox News, it will not be considered a credible source in my book. In fact, the National Enquirer is closer to credibility in my book.

[Sue_Bender]

If ever in the future, somebody quotes Fox News, it will not be considered a credible source in my book. In fact, the National Enquirer is closer to credibility in my book.

How do I get a copy of this book?!

It sounds like a tremendous read. :tongue:

[A.J.]

I want to prove that Fox News is the dumbest shit ever:

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Sharia Law? Gimme a fucking break. Never mind the fact that this entire Fox News segment is based on an email string started in 2007 and now reported as "fact". If nothing proves that our government is fair, it is the very fact that Fox "News" has the ability to broadcast.

If ever in the future, somebody quotes Fox News, it will not be considered a credible source in my book. In fact, the National Enquirer is closer to credibility in my book.

Miss the Middle East.

[HBox]

I love this guy so much.

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[angrymissy]

I love this guy so much.

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[Furtherman]

"The 9/12 project is not for families directly affected by 9/11, just people building their careers on it." - Stephen Colbert

Wasn't that brilliant?

Poor Glen Beck. I actually liked the naive mormon's show on HLN, when he was self-deprecating and somewhat level headed.

Then he went to Fox News and promptly went bat-shit insane.

[TheMojoPin]

Wasn't that brilliant?

Poor Glen Beck. I actually liked the naive mormon's show on HLN, when he was self-deprecating and somewhat level headed.

Then he went to Fox News and promptly went bat-shit insane.

Yeah, Beck has really stepped up the insanity in the last year. He was very ignorable before that, but now he's just completely out of his gourd.

[Syd]

another thing I don't get is why conservatives are against wahhabist-interpreted sharia law -- you get to kill women for just about anything, men are paramount and really you just get to kill everyone for any sort of infraction

another case of cognitive dissonance

[A.J.]

another thing I don't get is why conservatives are against wahhabist-interpreted sharia law -- you get to kill women for just about anything, men are paramount and really you just get to kill everyone for any sort of infraction

another case of cognitive dissonance

Because Jesus didn't OK it -- Muhammad did.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Beck, as crazy as he is, has been a good investment for FOX hes pulling in 2.3 million viewers at a 5pm slot. That is a ratings success.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?_r=1&em

O Reilly might be just as nuts but he is destroying Olbermann on a nightly basis big time. Maddows ratings have gone down after the pop she had in Sept after her debut MSNBC is now going to have Air America talker Ed Schultz for 6pm, Probably wont do much because Fox has the 6pm market cornered as well

[TheMojoPin]

Beck, as crazy as he is, has been a good investment for FOX hes pulling in 2.3 million viewers at a 5pm slot. That is a ratings success.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/30/business/media/30beck.html?_r=1&em

O Reilly might be just as nuts but he is destroying Olbermann on a nightly basis big time. Maddows ratings have gone down after the pop she had in Sept after her debut MSNBC is now going to have Air America talker Ed Schultz for 6pm, Probably wont do much because Fox has the 6pm market cornered as well

I'd be stunned if a guy like Beck wasn't winning his cable news network slot. When you go flying off the deep end, people are going to watch. It's the "rubbernecking a car crash" mentality.

[epo]

As much as Fox News utterly sucks balls, this Shephard Smith has been the one on occasion to put his foot down. Just this from today:

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My question is: Can Smith eventually get off the bus and save himself? I almost think he can.

[HBox]

Sean Hannity and Sarah Palin are very smart. (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/06/09/exchange_of_the_day.html)

Palin: We are the only state with a negative tax rate where we don't have any income, sales or property tax statewide, and yes we have a share of our oil resource revenue that goes back to the people that own the resources. Imagine that.

Hannity: And it went up higher since you've been the governor and you negotiated with the oil companies. That all went up so people get a bigger check.

Palin: There was a corrupt tax system up there and we had a couple of lawmakers end up in jail because of the tax system that was adopted so we cleaned it up and said we wanted a fair and equitable share of the resources that we own, and the people will share in those resource revenues that are derived.

(A few minutes later...)

Palin: If Americans aren't paying attention, unfortunately our country could evolve into something that we do not even recognize. Certainly that is so far from what the founders of our country had in mind for us.

Hannity: Socialism?

Palin: Well... that is where we are headed.

[DolaMight]

top this, they're goin after letterman's writer's jokes; A: as if he us on the radio and B: like it's october 2008, with typical campaign phony outrage

David Letterman Slammed For Sex Jokes About Palin's Teen Daughter
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525724,00.html

Everyone knows the Arod joke was about the established 18 year old slut, not the prospective 14 year old slut, the writers made a mistake about which daughter was with her. yet FOX reports the false outrage as fact that they made sexual jokes about a 14 year old.

[DolaMight]

As much as Fox News utterly sucks balls, this Shephard Smith has been the one on occasion to put his foot down. Just this from today:

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My question is: Can Smith eventually get off the bus and save himself? I almost think he can.

where were you when I took a beating for my supposed man crush on Shepard Smith. So what if I think he's dreamy.

http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=62267

[keithy_19]

I LOVE Glenn Beck. I know people say he is out of his mind, but the guy makes sense. If you are someone like me who hates big government, then you see things differently.

[epo]

I LOVE Glenn Beck. I know people say he is out of his mind, but the guy makes sense. If you are someone like me who hates big government, then you see things differently.

People don't just say that Glenn Beck is out of his mind, Glenn Beck is ACTUALLY out of his mind.

[angrymissy]

I LOVE Glenn Beck. I know people say he is out of his mind, but the guy makes sense. If you are someone like me who hates big government, then you see things differently.

Glenn Beck is disgusting and IMO, inciting people to violence.

I had to sit through him in my doctors office yesterday, and he was trying to blame this shooting on the left. Basically trying to say this guy, since he was a nazi, was a liberal leftist.

Glenn Beck can go fuck himself in his fat, greasy mouth.

[keithy_19]

Glenn Beck is disgusting and IMO, inciting people to violence.

I had to sit through him in my doctors office yesterday, and he was trying to blame this shooting on the left. Basically trying to say this guy, since he was a nazi, was a liberal leftist.

Glenn Beck can go fuck himself in his fat, greasy mouth.

Yes. He is trying to get people to take up arms against others.

Not once in my watching his program has he ever said that. You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

It's not that the left caused him to do this. He said it was a crazy man who did a crazy thing. He jsut doesn't like the man being called a right wing extremist when being a nazi would make him to the left.

[TheMojoPin]

You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

Oh dear.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

Nazism most closely resembled fascism. While it incorporated some Left Wing attitudes and policies, the vast majority of the Nazi political ideology fell on the VERY extreme Right end of the political spectrum.

[TobyWong]

Fox news is the only news channel that shows both sides

[keithy_19]

Oh dear.



Nazism most closely resembled fascism. While it incorporated some Left Wing attitudes and policies, the vast majority of the Nazi political ideology fell on the VERY extreme Right end of the political spectrum.

Throughout history, socialism and communism brings about facism.

[booster11373]

Yes. He is trying to get people to take up arms against others.

Not once in my watching his program has he ever said that. You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

It's not that the left caused him to do this. He said it was a crazy man who did a crazy thing. He jsut doesn't like the man being called a right wing extremist when being a nazi would make him to the left.

I think maybe you should do some more research maybe at a library instead of FNC

[HBox]

Yes. He is trying to get people to take up arms against others.

Not once in my watching his program has he ever said that. You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

It's not that the left caused him to do this. He said it was a crazy man who did a crazy thing. He jsut doesn't like the man being called a right wing extremist when being a nazi would make him to the left.

Hitler HATED socialism. Despised socialism. Hitler's party being named the National Socialist Party is about as meaningful as the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, otherwise known as North Korea.

Your left/right description is so painfully simple as to be useless. It's more of a libertarian/socialist divide. Go see how happy true libertarians are with Republicans and how happy true socialists are with Democrats.

And you are completely off with your description of socialism. That's not what it is, not even close.

[keithy_19]

I think maybe you should do some more research maybe at a library instead of FNC

Maybe you shouldn't assume that I simply watch Fox News and run with whatever they say.

I didn't vote for Obama. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. As of yet, he has done nothing, but in my opinion, infringe on the rights of people.

[HBox]

Maybe you shouldn't assume that I simply watch Fox News and run with whatever they say.

I didn't vote for Obama. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. As of yet, he has done nothing, but in my opinion, infringe on the rights of people.

Examples?

[keithy_19]

Your left/right description is so painfully simple as to be useless. It's more of a libertarian/socialist divide. Go see how happy true libertarians are with Republicans and how happy true socialists are with Democrats.


I hate republicans as well. It isn't a left-right thing to me. It's an individual-government thing.

[booster11373]

Maybe you shouldn't assume that I simply watch Fox News and run with whatever they say.

I didn't vote for Obama. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. As of yet, he has done nothing, but in my opinion, infringe on the rights of people.

Your descriptions of various governmental and economic systems follows very closely to the FNC versions which are incorrect is all

[booster11373]

I hate republicans as well. It isn't a left-right thing to me. It's an individual-government thing.

Can you elaborate on that, because individual vs. goverment seems like fighters of different weight classes or wrestlers versus tennis players

[TheMojoPin]

Throughout history, socialism and communism brings about facism.

...

What? If you're saying that fascism is only birthed out of communism and/or socialism, you're completely incorrect. If you're trying to insist the Nazis were either socialist or communist, you're also incorrect.

[keithy_19]

Can you elaborate on that, because individual vs. goverment seems like fighters of different weight classes or wrestlers versus tennis players

Individual rights. For instance, I don't like that the government took over the auto industry. I don't like that the government took over the banking industry.

I don't like that the governemnt is spending money which we don't have. I don't like that the government is planning this health care overhaul which limits your options on the kind of care you want.

[booster11373]

Individual rights. For instance, I don't like that the government took over the auto industry. I don't like that the government took over the banking industry.

I don't like that the governemnt is spending money which we don't have. I don't like that the government is planning this health care overhaul which limits your options on the kind of care you want.

So in your in your perfect system what role does government play? because individual rights and and the government take over of industry have very little to do with each other

I would think that individual rights versus government warrantless wiretaps or holding people indefinitely would be better examples

[TheMojoPin]

Individual rights. For instance, I don't like that the government took over the auto industry. I don't like that the government took over the banking industry.

They didn't take over either.

I don't like that the governemnt is spending money which we don't have.

You better invent a time machine back to 1789 and start kicking people in the balls for spending money they don't have. Your overly simplistic dismissal of "big government" simply is not realistic and not representative of American government at any point in its history.

[The Jays]

Yes. He is trying to get people to take up arms against others.

Not once in my watching his program has he ever said that. You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

It's not that the left caused him to do this. He said it was a crazy man who did a crazy thing. He jsut doesn't like the man being called a right wing extremist when being a nazi would make him to the left.

In NO way were Nazi's socialist. They hated socialists and communists, they considered socialism and communism to be ideologies of "Jewery". Socialism and Communism kinda base themselves around the idea that everyone in a society is equal. Nazis do not believe that, they believe that certain types of people are superior to the rest.

Right wing does not mean that perfect right wing society would have no government, that's anarchy, which falls on both sides. Right wing is to uphold traditional values and order systems, which today, would mean to keep the powerful in their current place and not disrupt that by disabling their power. Left wing would be to enable power to the rest of society and pt everyone on an equal footing. Naziism did not want this, they felt that progressive movements towards socialism had failed them, had caused a failed economy and a betrayal during World War I, and were the source of evil and loss of prestige due to their rape of the wealth of Germany. That is why Hitler was so alluring, because he embraced and preached about the power of the German folk, of their genetic ability, and hence wanted to form a new Europe with these people, purely, and to wipe out the communists, the socialists, the crippled, and the Jews in order to achieve a perfect empire that recalled the days of Rome. That's a right wing ideology to the extreme of traditional values.

[epo]

I don't like that the government is planning this health care overhaul which limits your options on the kind of care you want.

Slow down my friend. I work in health care and in politics. Let me be the first to say that nothing is realistically "planned" on health care yet, so your options being "limited" is extremely presumptuous at the least.

Do they have ideas? Sure. But if you think our government has this whole thing planned, you couldn't be more wrong.

[stormy1065]

The government never plans anything.they panic and throw our money Willie nillie at it.

[The Jays]

Individual rights. For instance, I don't like that the government took over the auto industry. I don't like that the government took over the banking industry.

I don't like that the governemnt is spending money which we don't have. I don't like that the government is planning this health care overhaul which limits your options on the kind of care you want.

Government didn't take over the auto industry. Thy gave GM $30 billion to restructure during bankruptcy in exchange for 60% of the company. GM is not the entire auto industry. The US does not own Ford. It does not own Volkswagen. It does not own Nissan, Honda, Chrysler, Hyundai, Mini, Porsche or BMW.

Government didn't take over the banking industry either. It became a share holder in some companies that needed a helping hand, which the government does more often than you think, and tends to return them to private hands when they are good to go.

Like it or not, our government runs deficits sometimes. It's just like having a credit card, and right now, we have a big balance on it, and our interest payments suck ass, but that's reality of runing government, causing wars, Social Security and Medicare. It would be retarded for us to merely spend the money we have in the Treasury when we have the opportunity to try to grow our nation by paying for things we need that might give us a return on the money we spend in the long run.

[keithy_19]

Slow down my friend. I work in health care and in politics. Let me be the first to say that nothing is realistically "planned" on health care yet, so your options being "limited" is extremely presumptuous at the least.

Do they have ideas? Sure. But if you think our government has this whole thing planned, you couldn't be more wrong.

I'm aware they do not have the whole thing planned. But the 600+ billion dollars of money they plan to use for it is money we don't have.

The government has a long history of not thinking out things they do. In recent memory it was Bush in Iraq. In even more recent memory it was Obama with closing Gitmo.

[The Jays]

But Gitmo isn't closed.

[badmonkey]

But Gitmo isn't closed.

Exactly.

[angrymissy]

Yes. He is trying to get people to take up arms against others.

Not once in my watching his program has he ever said that. You fight with logic and an understanding of history.

And NAZI's were socialist. This means they were for the government having the say in peoples lives. Socialism is to the left. While right would be no government, more along the lines of anarchy.

It's not that the left caused him to do this. He said it was a crazy man who did a crazy thing. He jsut doesn't like the man being called a right wing extremist when being a nazi would make him to the left.

Oh man. You need to educate yourself, and not through cable news. You're parroting everything you have heard on Fox. Seriously. Read a book instead.

[angrymissy]

Individual rights. For instance, I don't like that the government took over the auto industry. I don't like that the government took over the banking industry.

I don't like that the governemnt is spending money which we don't have. I don't like that the government is planning this health care overhaul which limits your options on the kind of care you want.

See, here is another instance of you just repeating what you heard on some show.

Please explain to me:

1) How the government "took over the auto industry"
2) How the Government "took over the banking industry"

and the big one

3) How they are planning health care reform that limits your options on the care you receive.

Before you repeat such things, educate yourself on whether or not they are true. I do so after watching anything that sounds out there.

[The Jays]

Exactly.

Exactly.... what? He said the government has closed Gitmo, which is not true. Are you saying they should, are you saying they shouldn't, Are you saying that either way, Obama is an idiot for closing it/keeping it open?

[The Jays]

Oh man. You need to educate yourself, and not through cable news. You're parroting everything you have heard on Fox. Seriously. Read a book instead.

Yeah, I mean, he did say he was a Glen Beck fan, and that is proven because his whole Nazi = socialist argument is the exact same thing that Glen Beck stated.

[angrymissy]

Yeah, I mean, he did say he was a Glen Beck fan, and that is proven because his whole Nazi = socialist argument is the exact same thing that Glen Beck stated.

It's almost word for word what I was forced to endure him spouting on the TV in the waiting room at my doctors office yesterday.

We learned about this in HS for gods sakes, does no one remember?

[booster11373]

It's almost word for word what I was forced to endure him spouting on the TV in the waiting room at my doctors office yesterday.

We learned about this in HS for gods sakes, does no one remember?

Don'T you know that schools are really just "Big" government indoctrination centers

[styckx]

I think people understand now that just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. We need a `just because someone on a news network said it doesn't make it true' movement. Parroting any of those people is awful. Missy said it best, listen to what they say, research it, and then come up with your own conclusion. You'll more than likely find out what they say is actually....... Wrong.

[Dirty Joe]

I think people understand now that just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true. We need a `just because someone on a news network said it doesn't make it true' movement. Parroting any of those people is awful. Missy said it best, listen to what they say, research it, and then come up with your own conclusion. You'll more than likely find out what they say is actually....... Wrong.

Hi styckx...sorry, this was my only reason for stopping in this thread...continue:bye:

[The Jays]

I would like to know the Fox News policy on calling someone a "socialist little faggot." I long for more debates that involve that awesome phrase.

[epo]

I would like to know the Fox News policy on calling someone a "socialist little faggot." I long for more debates that involve that awesome phrase.

Those were the best.

[SonOfSmeagol]

All you have to do is mention FNC, and awaaaaaaaaay they go! What a pile.