The NEW Battlestar Galactica

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/070920/cylon_l.jpg

"Sup."

[MadMatt]

FYI - From a recent Sci-Fi Channel email:

Battlestar Galactica: Razor Minisodes
Coming in October: Follow young William "Husker" Adama on his rookie Viper mission during the First Cylon War, in action-packed weekly minisodes!

[Furtherman]

Looks like we'll be seeing the old Cylon models in these new webisodes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/battlestar.jpg

[HBox]

the new season has been delayed until April.

[Judge Smails]

the new season has been delayed until April.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

If it's any consolation, the third season soundtrack is out.

[MadMatt]

If you aren't catching the Razor Flashbacks, you need to check them out. The newest one (part 3) has some great fight scenes between Adama and the Cylons. Very cool.

I can't wait until the season starts...

EDIT: OK, here's the link (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/). Sorry for not adding it earlier. :bye:

[Furtherman]

Frak.

Well at least we'll get Razor in a few weeks. And the soundtrack will be a good pickup with that version of Watchtower.

[JustJon]

I still haven't seen Season 3, and now AICN said it's coming out next April. I'll be looking to watch it from places online before I watch Razor and the movie next month.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I still haven't seen Season 3, and now AICN said it's coming out next April. I'll be looking to watch it from places online before I watch Razor and the movie next month.

Wait, I thought Razor was the movie. Are there 2 different BSG projects before season 4?

[Furtherman]

Wait, I thought Razor was the movie. Are there 2 different BSG projects before season 4?

Razor is the movie. It takes place between seasons 2 & 3. I think JustJon meant the 4th season starts in April and the Season 3 DVDs will be released in December (at least they were scheduled too).

[Tenbatsuzen]

Why does Adama have blue eyes in the flashbacks?

(Just realized that Olmos has grey eyes... OK, this is weird.)

Voice of Young Adama sounds too much like Eastwood though.

[JustJon]

Wait, I thought Razor was the movie. Are there 2 different BSG projects before season 4?

There's the minisodes leading up to the movie. The Razor Flashbacks and Razor.

[MadMatt]

Why does Adama have blue eyes in the flashbacks?

(Just realized that Olmos has grey eyes... OK, this is weird.)

Voice of Young Adama sounds too much like Eastwood though.

I'm betting the young actor has brown eyes and they had to go with blue contacts because they couldn't get grey to look natural enough on camera. Probably looked like a ghost or dead fish eyes.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm betting the young actor has brown eyes and they had to go with blue contacts because they couldn't get grey to look natural enough on camera. Probably looked like a ghost or dead fish eyes.

Yes, but the blue contacts he's wearing are BRIGHT BLUE.

And Adama in his younger days had a mustache, I thought.

[Furtherman]

FRAK.

I just found this out, but Razor will be in theaters on Nov. 12th.

All NYC shows are sold out. Actually, they were for free.

Check to see if your city is still available here. (http://battlestarevent.com/)

[mdr55]

Dang. With the uk site closed down I won't be able to watch BSG.

[Judge Smails]

It's been revealed: Judge Smails is as confused as ever.

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[furie]

The flashback where they showed Batttlestar Columbia being destroyed was phenomenal!

[Doogie]

What was that 'coming out' PSA after the credits all about? Was that cause it was revealed Admiral Kane was a lesbian?

All in all, I enjoyed Razor, but I have to admit to being a lil leery of the whole Kara Thrace being the "Harbringer of Death" thing. And yes Furie, the whole destruction of the shipyards being destroyed was really fucking phenomenal. But I ask the Galactica writers to at least keep one person alive that was part of the Peagusus command crew. Sheesh. As soon as we meet one they are dead.

[STC-Dub]

I enjoyed Razor, but when is season Three coming out on DVD? Also they said the final season would begin in March, not sure why they are waiting so long, but at least it is slighly better than April.

[Furtherman]

I thought Razor was great. It was cool to see the old Cylons and the events that happened aboard Pegasus that were only alluded to, like the execution of the first XO. BAM.. that was brutal. I'm gonna have to watch it again with the subtitles of the hybrid cylon... 'ol Red was kinda mumbling his words in that jello bath... I'm sure there is a lot about what is coming up next season.

The DVD has a preview of Season 4 as well. Can't frakkin' wait.

[EliSnow]

I missed Razor when it was on tv, and didn't DVR it.

But I bought the DVD which claims to be unrated and extended. I'm hoping that means half-naked to naked pics of Six and Starbuck, but my instinct tells me that is a false hope.

[zentraed]

I've heard so many good things about this show. I saw the original mini-series and I just happened to catch most of Razor at the gym the other night. I'm gonna have to check this out from the beginning. Is there more lesbianism in the series by chance?

[HBox]

This is a really really cool but spoiler heavy picture from the new EW. If you want absolutely no hints as to who the last cylon is do not click. (http://triciahelfer.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ew-bsg-lastsupper-small.jpg)

[Furtherman]

This is a really really cool but spoiler heavy picture from the new EW. If you want absolutely no hints as to who the last cylon is do not click. (http://triciahelfer.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/ew-bsg-lastsupper-small.jpg)

It is a great picture, however I did read the article and there is no indication of who it might be.

[mdr55]

So what are the HINTS??? Who is missing from the picture that is of significance???

[Devo37]

So what are the HINTS??? Who is missing from the picture that is of significance???

Gaida?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Gaida?

Gaeta, Tory, Cally, Dualla, Cottle.

[mdr55]

Gaeta, Tory, Cally, Dualla, Cottle.


Dang. I can't recall off the top of my head all those people are. I got to watch the series again.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Dang. I can't recall off the top of my head all those people are. I got to watch the series again.

Gaeta = one of the officers in Galactica's CIC. Usually runs the FTL Jumps. Was also Baltar's head advisor on New Caprica.

Tory = Roslin's head advisor, revealed to be one of the final five.

Cottle = The doctor.

Dualla = "Dee", Another CIC officer, Apollo's XO on Pegasus and his (ex?) wife.

Cally = Chief's wife. If she's the fifth, that means the cylons have figured out how to conceive.

[mdr55]

Maybe Sharon's baby is the fifth????

[Furtherman]

Season 3 will be available on DVD March 25th.

[Freitag]

Maybe Sharon's baby is the fifth????

No. It could go of one of two ways:

Helo's human, which means Hera is a hybrid. Not one of the final five.

OR

Helo's the last of the five, which means Hera's pure cylon, which goes back to the idea of the Cylons figuring out how to procreate.

[stinkbud]

After seeing that picture and reading the accompanying article, I am sooooo shocked! Speculative spoiling to follow...

When Starbuck flew back at the end saying shes been to Earth and is gonna take everyone there, I was sure she was the final Cylon, I mean she was fracking shot down over that storm. I thought that the storm was important because it warped her to a lazarus ship near Earth and thats how she came back.

Oh well, we will find out sooner or later. That article says 10 episodes ready to go, does that mean that this season was shortened as well? At least that means we get another 13 episodes eventually.

[EliSnow]

After seeing that picture and reading the accompanying article, I am sooooo shocked! Speculative spoiling to follow...

When Starbuck flew back at the end saying shes been to Earth and is gonna take everyone there, I was sure she was the final Cylon, I mean she was fracking shot down over that storm. I thought that the storm was important because it warped her to a lazarus ship near Earth and thats how she came back.

Oh well, we will find out sooner or later. That article says 10 episodes ready to go, does that mean that this season was shortened as well? At least that means we get another 13 episodes eventually.

I don't think speculation qualifies as a spoiler. You're speculating based on things aired already, so I think you can just post it.

Right?

[stinkbud]

well i am speculating based on the end of the last season finale. Im just respecting the people who havent seen it still...i mean I have seen a few posts recently that indicate there are those out there still getting into BG. And the possibility that Starbuck is a toaster is as big a spoiler from last year there is.

[EliSnow]

well i am speculating based on the end of the last season finale. Im just respecting the people who havent seen it still...i mean I have seen a few posts recently that indicate there are those out there still getting into BG. And the possibility that Starbuck is a toaster is as big a spoiler from last year there is.

If he/she was a Cylon, that would be a spoiler.

As to the events of the season finale, I think if someone hasn't seen it by now, they should be smart enough to avoid the thread. It's the reason I don't post at the Journeyman thread, because I've got two eps left to see.

At some point, we have to be able to discuss what happens on a show.

[JustJon]

Oh well, we will find out sooner or later. That article says 10 episodes ready to go, does that mean that this season was shortened as well? At least that means we get another 13 episodes eventually.

BSG is 20 ep seasons, split in to two airings of 10 eps each.

[stinkbud]

I remember reading when this season was announced as being the final season of the series, it was also noted that it would be 23 episodes long. When I saw 10, i figured the WGA strike hits again.

[Furtherman]

IMDB.com on the home page today has links to an 8 minute recap and new photos from the upcoming season.

[Furtherman]

Two weeks away!


Also...

SCI FI also ordered production for a two-hour pilot called Caprica, the prequel to the network's Battlestar Galactica series which will begin its fourth and final season on April 4, 2008. Produced by Universal Media Studios, production on Caprica will start this spring.

[pittphantoms]

So where are the guesses for Season 4? Friday April 4 is coming quickly.

I am starting to lean towards Roslin as a Cylon. I think the four people who were revealed on the Battlestar were all "boxed" at one point by the Cylons - which is why their models arent seen or used often. The Tigh timeline also has me confused, because he said he had been working in the military for 40 years - assuming they have been running for two or three years now - that only leaves two or three years for him to have been manufactured by the Cylons...

I would like to see Baltar become the hero - if for nothing else than the guy is has done an amazing job on the show.

I wouldn't mind seeing Lee go down, but I would be heartbroked if the Admiral was lost.

[Devo37]

regarding Tigh, i think they may do a flashback to show some time in the past where he was on a shuttle and was abducted, or something along those lines.

as for the final cylon, it better not be Baltar, Adm. Adama, or Roslin. Adama & Roslin have been leading the humans against the cylons, so if either is a cylon, it would bring up a bunch of continuity/storyline inconsistencies (unless they somehow came up with a realistic explanation).

as for Baltar, i see him as the tragic hero. through character flaws (mainly lust), he's twice been responsible for the near-destruction of humanity (the original attack and on new caprica). i would like to see him redeemed and somehow save the fleet and defeat the cylons.

man, it's been so long since the last season that i'll have to re-watch the last season to remember all of the storylines!

[Radioguy]

Caprica's alive again? That seemed a bit disappointing the first time it was shopped around.

That's unless it proceeds past them leaving.

[pittphantoms]

Another thing that has been bothering me lately - did the Cylons actually leave all of the 12 colonies or not? I would have to imagine SOME people still are alive there.

[Furtherman]

http://www.griffongames.com/uploaded_images/replaced-716866.JPG

[stinkbud]

The Tigh timeline also has me confused, because he said he had been working in the military for 40 years - assuming they have been running for two or three years now - that only leaves two or three years for him to have been manufactured by the Cylons...


The thing that bugs me with the Tigh as a Cylon issue is that we saw flashbacks to him as a younger man serving with younger Adama.

[Furtherman]

The thing that bugs me with the Tigh as a Cylon issue is that we saw flashbacks to him as a younger man serving with younger Adama.

He's not a cylon robot, but more likely a human/cylon hybrid, as are the other three.

[stinkbud]

I thought that the "human" cylons arent hybrids like the baby is...that was a true hybrid, the daughter of Helo and Sharon. Tigh is a "toaster" the same way Sharon is and the same way No. 6 is. They are organic cylons that look like humans and have icky stuff on the inside as opposed to gears and parts.

[Furtherman]

Tigh is a "toaster" the same way Sharon is and the same way No. 6 is. They are organic cylons that look like humans and have icky stuff on the inside as opposed to gears and parts.

I don't know about that. I don't think they're all machine. There's something to them, as they did grow up on the colonies. He served 40 years in the fleet. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Drunky McBetidont]

this show is totally entertaining. i cant fracking believe that it doesn't get the props it deserves.

[EliSnow]

this show is totally entertaining. i cant fracking believe that it doesn't get the props it deserves.

It does get a lot of critical acclaim in several mainstream publications, like Entertainment Weekly, TV Guide, and I think the Washington Post. But when people hear that it takes place aboard a space ship, and that their enemies are robots, most people won't go near it.

It's a shame.

[Furtherman]

Did anyone see the two specials that aired last Friday? One was pretty much just a recap of the last three seasons.

The second was called Battlestar Galactica: The Phenomenon and it had actors, musicians and some other famous folk talking about how much they loved the show. It was very cool and funny.

Joel McHale of E! The Soup was hysterical. He talks about how he would sit up in the middle of the night and scream "Honey! Tigh! Is a cylon!"

You can find it on youtube in three parts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzW5ghnskDE)

[EliSnow]

Did anyone see the two specials that aired last Friday? One was pretty much just a recap of the last three seasons.

The second was called Battlestar Galactica: The Phenomenon and it had actors, musicians and some other famous folk talking about how much they loved the show. It was very cool and funny.

Joel McHale of E! The Soup was hysterical. He talks about how he would sit up in the middle of the night and scream "Honey! Tigh! Is a cylon!"

You can find it on youtube in three parts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzW5ghnskDE)

I taped the Phenomenon special the other night and watched it yesterday. It was pretty entertaining. Joel McHale was the best of the bunch. I especially loved his line that BSG was for men and women, but not his wife, who loves Dancing With the Stars. That pretty much summed up my wife as well.

[Tall_James]

This is one of those shows I keep telling myself to Tivo but I always forget to.

[Furtherman]

Psyched for tonight. Just got done rewatching Season 3 last night. That season finale is still one of the best episodes I've ever seen of any show.

You know who would make a great 5th cylon, although unlikely... Romo Lampkin, Baltar's lawyer. He was a great character and I hope we see more of him somehow this season. His speech about Apollo's grandfather was one of the best of the series, I think.

Adama: So you hated him because he was right, and I hated the law because it was wrong. Because of what... of what it put him through. I mean, he defended the worst of the worst. I remember reading about him. The outrage. Helping murderers go free. What I don't understand is why he put himself through all that abuse.

Romo Lampkin: You think he gave a flying frak? Joe Adama cared about one thing. Understanding why people do what they do. Why we cheat our friends, why we reward our enemies. Why we go to war, sacrificing our lives for lost causes. Why we build machines in the hope of correcting our flaws and our shortcomings. Why we forgive, defying logic and the laws of nature with one stupid little act of compassion. We're flawed. All of us. I wanted to know why, so I did what he did. I spent my life with the fallen. The corrupt. The damaged.

http://13thcolony.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/romolampkin.jpg

[EliSnow]

You know who would make a great 5th cylon, although unlikely... Romo Lampkin, Baltar's lawyer. He was a great character and I hope we see more of him somehow this season. His speech about Apollo's grandfather was one of the best of the series, I think.



I've read here and there that he will be making appearances during this season. I like his character a lot as well.

[PhishHead]

I've read here and there that he will be making appearances during this season. I like his character a lot as well.

thats why you had him as an avatar right?

[EliSnow]

thats why you had him as an avatar right?

That and his character was a lawyer.

BTW, Phish, have you started watching the show yet? I just started re-watching the entire series again the other day. I watch one episode every day that I run on my treadmill. Up to the third ep now.

[PhishHead]

That and his character was a lawyer.

quite the unethical lawyer unlike you who is morally and ethically a great lawyer!

[TheRealEddie]

Hurrah, its back!! :clap:

[Devo37]

1 minute til the new episode! i'm so excited, and i just can't hide it!!!!!!!!!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

Do you feel God's presence?

[Doogie]

Enough of the guilty shifty eye zoom in...its fucking hack. Its like an old SNL bit

[Devo37]

Enough of the guilty shifty eye zoom in...its fucking hack.

may the one true god smite thee!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

I really hate Cylon Dane Cook.

[Doogie]

I really hate Cylon Dane Cook.

Ha...thats who I thought it was when I first saw him. I really liked it when the shows had aired and all I had to do was buy the DVD's or DL them a few weeks later after airing...this commercial bullshit is killing me.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I really hate Cylon Dane Cook.

I do too, but that eye thing was sweet.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I thought it was interesting how lingering Kara's hug with Lee was, but the hug with Dane was about 2 seconds.

Roslin has made a total heel turn, which makes me think she's a red herring for #5. I really think it's Cally.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Cylon models:

Leoben: Male
Simon: Male
Cavil: Male
Six: Female
Sharon: Female
D'anna: Female
Journalist Guy: Male

the last four:
Anders: Male
Tigh: Male
Chief: Male
Tory: Female

If one of the Cylon's plans is to procreate on their own, you kind of have to think that #12 is female, which makes me think Cally or Dualla.

[mdr55]

So what happened in the episode? Can someone put a synopsis.

[Tenbatsuzen]

So what happened in the episode? Can someone put a synopsis.

All hell breaks loose.

Adama puts everyone who's flown a viper in the air, including an undertrained Anders.

Anders freaks out given the revelation of his Cylon-ness. So does Tigh, who during the battle has a waking nightmare about shooting Adama right between the eyes.

A Raider gets close enough to "scan" Anders, and after that happens, all the Cylons bug out.

No one believe it's really Kara. They think she's a Cylon, so she's not in the brig but she's being shadowed by a Marine.

Baltar is taken to an unused part of Galactica by a cadre of hot chicks (and some dudes). They are taking to him like a cult.

With Chip-Six's prodding, Baltar starts to "convert" people away from the polytheistic "colonial" religion and more towards the monotheistic "Cylon" religion (One God vs. Multi-Gods)

Baltar prays to "God" to save a dying boy's life whose mother is one of his cult members. He offers his life in exchange for the boy's.

Baltar and one of the chicks get jumped in a bathroom by someone whose son was killed on New Caprica. He again offers his life. "Kill me. Do it." The chick breaks free and beats off the two assailants. Not sure if she kills them or not.

When they get back, the boy who was sick is much better, while Six looks on.

Also, Roslin has Galactica doing jumps which to Kara is taking them farther away from Earth. Kara is afraid the farther they jump away from the nebula where they found her, she'll "lose the instinct" on how to get to Earth.

After a jump, Kara freaks, gets a gun after beating up her Marine escort, and goes to confront Roslin with a gun.

[pittphantoms]

I really needed a double episode last night. I kept hoping one of the four revealed last year would just man-up and tell Adama. I really wonder if he would even flip out - he needs Chief and Tai...

I just watched Razor before watching the episode - so every time they jumped I was happy.

[Radioguy]

Cally? Seems more like Kara, even if she's a red herring too with the gun pointing and leading them "astray".

I thought it was very interesting that they had Baltar repeat the (greek) gods names again and declare them false, while making him look so christ-like.

It would be funny if this is all biblical. The twelve colonies being the tribes of Israel, Caprica being their time in bondage, and Earth being the holy land with Baltar as Moses or Christ.

Hmmm.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The thing with some suspecting Kara to be a Cylon and the mention of Baltar's Cylon detector got me thinking:

Is there a way for a Doctor on BSG to tell a Cylon from a Human? I thought Baltar's detector seemed to work (didn't he test Boomer and get a postitive before she knew for sure by seeing the copies of herself?) but they don't trust him, so that's not used.

Is the only way they know a Cylon is seeing a copy of them? Then what about identical twins? Do they not exisit in the 12 colonies?

They seem to suggest that even a doctor doing an autopsy would not be able to tell, then how do Cylons have parts that light up (Six's and Boomer's spines and Ander's eye) and how was Athena (The good Sharon) able to connect to the ships system (putting a fiber optic cable in her arm) if there aren't some parts that don't look human in there?

I know it's just a show, but in the context of the show have these things been addresses?

[Tenbatsuzen]

I know it's just a show, but in the context of the show have these things been addresses?

RDM despises technobabble. It's probably one of the reasons why Cylon anatomy hasn't been fully explained.

[Doctor Manhattan]

RDM despises technobabble...

Working on Star Trek: TNG must have been a nightmare for him. At least regarding technobabble.

[Furtherman]

That ringed ship got the shit beat out of it.


So glad this show is back.

[Franklyn]

WOW, what an opening. I finally got to watch it.

[EliSnow]

Quick question: does Roslin have to die before the fleet reaches earth?

I can't remember the exact prophesy if it says that a dying leader has to bring them to earth, but that prophesy reminds me of the biblical story of Moses. In it, Moses brought the Israelites to the Promised Land but was not permitted to enter it by God. Thus, Moses died before they got to the Promised Land.

The story of Battlestar Galactica has some religious inspirations to it. And this one is just one of them. Roslin is dying again, and from early reports of the season, the blood of the human/Cylon hybrid won't save her again.

So should she die? Is it a better story if the leader of the humans brings them to Earth, but doesn't herself get there?

[pittphantoms]

Roslin definately can not make it to Earth... the prophecy says that much. I sort of think that is why she backed off her religious theme when she was cured previously...

I keep wondering about opening up a Cylon as well. Why haven't these frackers done more to determine who is and who is not a Cylon? We know they gave Boomer 1 (the one that was killed by Calle) an autopsy because you see her body in the episode where Billy dies in the cantina with autopsy scars (at least I think you do??)....

[EliSnow]

Roslin definately can not make it to Earth... the prophecy says that much.

Assuming the prophecy is correct.

I guess my question is a more practical one: is it a better story if she dies before making it to earth.

[pittphantoms]

Roslin needs to be the final Cylon... the babies blood cured her because she was a cylon... and that is why the baby was so valuable to the cylons... that would be a sweet ending...

[Judge Smails]

Roslin needs to be the final Cylon... the babies blood cured her because she was a cylon... and that is why the baby was so valuable to the cylons... that would be a sweet ending...

If Roslin turns out to be the final Cylon I will be pissed. She only got to be president originally because, as Secretary of Education, she was the highest ranking surviving cabinet member. How could the Cylons have known she would reach a position of power? That would be like them planting a sleeper Cylon model as a janitor on the prison ship. It would make no sense and would be a waste of Cylon resources.

[EliSnow]

If Roslin turns out to be the final Cylon I will be pissed. She only got to be president originally because, as Secretary of Education, she was the highest ranking surviving cabinet member. How could the Cylons have known she would reach a position of power?

By making sure she did reach that position of power. All they had to do was make sure they eliminated all of the other cabinet members above her.

Since Six had access to the Defense computer, etc., she likely had access to the locations of all of the cabinet members, and ensured that they would be eliminated with nuclear strikes at each of their locations.

Also, if Tigh, Anders, or the Chief can be Cylons, why can't Roslin. It's not like any of them (especially Anders) was in a position of power prior to the Cylon attack.

[Furtherman]

Here is that kick ass battle from the beginning of the show.

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[STC-Dub]

Whoever the final cylon is, he/she probably was not on Galactica during the final episode of season 3 or they would have also heard the music. I am going way out there and say that Admiral Adama's wife was cylon and a copy is somewhere in the fleet. Making Lee a 1/2 Cylon. Nah, that is probably too far out there.

[EliSnow]

Whoever the final cylon is, he/she probably was not on Galactica during the final episode of season 3 or they would have also heard the music. I am going way out there and say that Admiral Adama's wife was cylon and a copy is somewhere in the fleet. Making Lee a 1/2 Cylon. Nah, that is probably too far out there.

Putting aside that crazy theory, there is something in there that sparks a question.

The remaining five Cylon models were "boxed" right?

Assuming this is correct, there is probably no other copies of Tigh, Anders, Tyrell, and the presidential aide (I don't remember her name) other there, right?

[Doctor Manhattan]

The remaining five Cylon models were "boxed" right?

Well, what exactly does it mean to be boxed. We saw the one Number 3 (D'Anna Biers, Xena, etc) get boxed, I assumed that means they are all boxed. Are there a finite number of personalites for each model? (we have seen at least 5 different Number Six's: Caprica Six , The one with the glasses called Shelley Godfrey, Gina, The White Rain coat one who keeps getting shot, The sick one with the black hair and of course the one in Baltar's head who may not really exist And there is a new one coming soon called Natalie)

I don't remember any mention of the 5 being boxed. I do know that RDM has said that the 5 are "fundamentally different".

[EliSnow]

I don't remember any mention of the 5 being boxed. I do know that RDM has said that the 5 are "fundamentally different".

I thought that the first time the issue of models being boxed came up was about the other five. I think it was Lucy Lawless' character who brought it up.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I thought that the first time the issue of models being boxed came up was about the other five. I think it was Lucy Lawless' character who brought it up.

That was in Season 2 (Downloaded) but I don't think she mentioned the "Final Five." The problem was that Caprica Six and Boomer had bonded with specific humans and that threaten the Cylon status quo because the two became individuals, their personalities diverging from their fellow models. I'm pretty sure she didn't mention the "Final Five"

I think the whole concept of the "Final Five" came up during Season 3 when Baltar asked Six why he had not seen any Cylons other than the 7 models that we knew at that point (Torn) I don't remember any mention of them or the fact that they don't talk about them (Which always made me wonder why Six mentioned that there were 12 models to begin with, In real life I'm guessing it was just because the idea of a seperate group of Cylons was not in RDM's plan during the mini-series)

[EliSnow]

I think the whole concept of the "Final Five" came up during Season 3 when Baltar asked Six why he had not seen any Cylons other than the 7 models that we knew at that point (Torn) I don't remember any mention of them or the fact that they don't talk about them (Which always made me wonder why Six mentioned that there were 12 models to begin with, In real life I'm guessing it was just because the idea of a seperate group of Cylons was not in RDM's plan during the mini-series)

At the end of the mini-series, they also showed that Adama found a note saying that there were 12 cylon models. They never showed who left that note.

[Freitag]

Quick spoiler:

As Lucy Lawless is coming back as D'Anna (as shown in the press photography and her appearance on Letterman in the top 10 list), I don't think boxing is permanent.

[STC-Dub]

12 models, 12 colonies, coincidence? I am not sue that we know all of the supposed home colonies of the "human" cylons though.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Good episode last night, I enjoyed Gaius/ChipGaius, but ChipGaius has never interacted with Gaius before, right?

[stinkbud]

When these Capricans drink...

Both the Adamas tied it on in style. Lee was pounding shots better than i did in my junior year of college...Bill must have had three glasses three fingers deep (at least) when he was in that scene with Roslyn.

Couldnt help but notice that. Im having a drink!

:drunk:

[MadMatt]

OK - I just watched the newest episode (S04E02), and there is a point that is bugging me immensely. Possibly the biggest problem I have run into so far.

Lee quits being a pilot and military commander. How the Frak is that possible?!?!?!?!

He was the leader of the fighter fleet and arguably the most experienced pilot and field leader humanity has left. They are fighting for their lives, under frequent Cylon attack, and have a dearth of available pilots and resources. There is NO WAY they would just let him quit.

Even if he is joining the Quorum, that is no excuse for robbing the fleet of one of it's most gifted and experienced commanders. They need him a lot more as a Warrior than they do as a Politician.

I need help reconciling this one guys and could use some perspective. Your comments would be appreciated.

[Judge Smails]

I need help reconciling this one guys and could use some perspective. Your comments would be appreciated.

Some folks are born,
made to wave the flag.
Ooh, they're red, white and blue, yeah.
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief",
they point the cannon at you, yeah.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no ADMIRAL's son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me.
I ain't no fortunate one.

[Tenbatsuzen]

OK - I just watched the newest episode (S04E02), and there is a point that is bugging me immensely. Possibly the biggest problem I have run into so far.

Lee quits being a pilot and military commander. How the Frak is that possible?!?!?!?!

He was the leader of the fighter fleet and arguably the most experienced pilot and field leader humanity has left. They are fighting for their lives, under frequent Cylon attack, and have a dearth of available pilots and resources. There is NO WAY they would just let him quit.

Even if he is joining the Quorum, that is no excuse for robbing the fleet of one of it's most gifted and experienced commanders. They need him a lot more as a Warrior than they do as a Politician.

I need help reconciling this one guys and could use some perspective. Your comments would be appreciated.

It was explained in the show's bible that Lee was a reservist. Doesn't know if that affects the situation, but he did in fact quit.

You can call Lee selfish, but he did turn in his wings and quit. He can't be drafted/conscribed to be in the military. Also, the shortage of Viper pilots/Raptor pilots was solved when Pegasus entered the mix and their crews merged.

[MadMatt]

It was explained in the show's bible that Lee was a reservist. Doesn't know if that affects the situation, but he did in fact quit.

You can call Lee selfish, but he did turn in his wings and quit. He can't be drafted/conscribed to be in the military. Also, the shortage of Viper pilots/Raptor pilots was solved when Pegasus entered the mix and their crews merged.

That isn't a viable answer to me (and I'm not just being argumentative). There are fewer than 50,000 humans left in the universe (as far as they know anyway), so the survival of the SPECIES means effectively defending themselves against and escaping from the Cylons.

Even if they aren't "drafting" new pilots, they would certainly have some type of "Stop Loss" program in place. Hell, the US has that program in place for the current Iraq war and it is just a minor skirmish compared to Galactica's defense of the remnants of the Human Race - the stakes are exponentially higher.

And although absorbing the Pegasus crew would have helped short term, it would be ridiculous to assume that Galactica isn't loosing pilots during every battle. Even if it isn't a lot of pilots, one or two are still going to add up over time. Given the hundreds or thousands of readily replaced Cylon Raiders they are up against, every experienced Human pilot becomes extremely valuable.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That isn't a viable answer to me (and I'm not just being argumentative). There are fewer than 50,000 humans left in the universe (as far as they know anyway), so the survival of the SPECIES means effectively defending themselves against and escaping from the Cylons.

Even if they aren't "drafting" new pilots, they would certainly have some type of "Stop Loss" program in place. Hell, the US has that program in place for the current Iraq war and it is just a minor skirmish compared to Galactica's defense of the remnants of the Human Race - the stakes are exponentially higher.

And although absorbing the Pegasus crew would have helped short term, it would be ridiculous to assume that Galactica isn't loosing pilots during every battle. Even if it isn't a lot of pilots, one or two are still going to add up over time. Given the hundreds or thousands of readily replaced Cylon Raiders they are up against, every experienced Human pilot becomes extremely valuable.

He wasn't even a true viper pilot; he was Pegasus' commander and lost his ship. He took a demotion back to CAG because Helo and Tigh were serving in Galactica's CIC.

Wait - was Lee even CAG when he quit? Who became CAG when Cat died?

[Sinestro]

what's a CAG? and a CIC?

[Tenbatsuzen]

what's a CAG? and a CIC?

CAG = Commander, Air Group. The head pilot.

CIC = Galactica's Bridge.

Besides, RDM knows what he's doing. It's just a show. I have a feeling we're going to see President Adama by the end of the season.

[MadMatt]

CAG = Commander of an Air Group

CIC = Combat Information Center (usually the ship's bridge)



EDIT: Damn, didn't reload the page before posting...

[STC-Dub]

If you want to get technical, Lee resigned during Baltar's trial and the Admiral accepted. Lee jumped in a Viper when the Cylon fleet jumped in but was no longer in the service. He was never reinstated, so he was allowed out because he quit and the Admiral accpeted.

[STC-Dub]

I think Cat was still the Cag after she died, they made a point of showing the board with her as the CAG after her death.

[Furtherman]

Given the hundreds or thousands of readily replaced Cylon Raiders they are up against, every experienced Human pilot becomes extremely valuable.

Lee quit. His character is moving in a different direction on the show. Enjoy the ride.

[Furtherman]

I think Cat was still the Cag after she died, they made a point of showing the board with her as the CAG after her death.

She was promoted to CAG as she was dying. I believe in the next episode Lee was CAG.

[JustJon]

I actually said out loud at the end of tonight's episode "Holy shit" and I'm watching it alone. I don't wanna post any spoilers, but that was a frakkin' ending.

[Devo37]

I actually said out loud at the end of tonight's episode "Holy shit" and I'm watching it alone. I don't wanna post any spoilers, but that was a frakkin' ending.

indeed! one of the final 5 is not like the others. edge of my seat for most of it.

i think this episode also set the record for the amount of times "frak" was said (just from the starbuck/sam scene alone!)

[STC-Dub]

Yeah, I wish they would watch theifracking language. Another excellent episode.

[Furtherman]

:ohmy:

Both the humans and cylons are going to be a mess when they reach Earth.

[Drunky McBetidont]

"the ties that bind" was the darkest episode we have gotten in a while. this show is too good for tv. anybody know how many episodes left? they are wrapping it up this season i think. this is going to be the best dvd box set ever.

[pittphantoms]

This season is certainly flipping the BSG world ... most importantly I cant stand the person Lee Adama has become...

The Cylon angle is just amazing...

[Freitag]

With one of my candidates for the final one now dead, the possible suspects boils down to:

Helo
Cottle
Roslin
Dee

But I thought of something. something very weird.

Going back to what Leoben said... what about ZAK Adama?

[STC-Dub]

Not sure on the episodes but I remember on the Battlestar Sci-Fi site news of the series being renewed for 20 episodes, so that would mean 17 episodes remain.

[Furtherman]

But I thought of something. something very weird.

Going back to what Leoben said... what about ZAK Adama?

I don't think that would work dramatically. We've only seen him - maybe once? - and that was in a picture that the Admiral had. If he were to show up it would be a totally new character and wouldn't be so shocking - which this show tends to thrive on.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I don't think that would work dramatically. We've only seen him - maybe once? - and that was in a picture that the Admiral had. If he were to show up it would be a totally new character and wouldn't be so shocking - which this show tends to thrive on.

I think he showed up in a flashback (Kara let him pass flight training even though he shouldn't have and he ended up dying)

So if you see that clip in the "Previously on Battlestar Galactica" opening, then watch out. I don't think they would go with that. I'm sure it's someone that's been on the show for the whole run.

Not sure on the episodes but I remember on the Battlestar Sci-Fi site news of the series being renewed for 20 episodes, so that would mean 17 episodes remain.

Razor is considered 2 episodes of Season 4. So does that make it 22 total (20 regular non flashback episodes + Razor)?

[EliSnow]

Razor is considered 2 episodes of Season 4. So does that make it 22 total (20 regular non flashback episodes + Razor)?

I don't tink that Razor was considered episodes in the season. I think it was considered a special, and the numbering for season 4 starts off with the recent premiere.

Check out how tv.com displays the eps for this year. (http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/show/23557/episode_guide.html?season=4&tag=season_dropdown;dropdown;3) (Note: there are some general descriptions about upcoming eps that are general spoilers).

Here's how imdb.com has this season. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/episodes#season-4)

[Doctor Manhattan]

I don't tink that Razor was considered episodes in the season. I think it was considered a special, and the numbering for season 4 starts off with the recent premiere.

Check out how tv.com displays the eps for this year. (http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/show/23557/episode_guide.html?season=4&tag=season_dropdown;dropdown;3) (Note: there are some general descriptions about upcoming eps that are general spoilers).

Here's how imdb.com has this season. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/episodes#season-4)




Here is how The Scifi channel (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/index.php)has Razor listed (in Season 4)

And here is how The Scifi Channel (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=40676)announced Season 4: SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter.

Razor is a special. It's a prequel taking place in Season 3, Season 1 and 40 years before, but it feeds directly into story elements in the regular part of Season 4, and from a production point of view part of Season 4

Oh, I answered my own question above. there will be 22 episodes total. 17 news remaining since "The Ties That Bind" has aired

[EliSnow]

Here is how The Scifi channel (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/index.php)has Razor listed (in Season 4)
Razor is a prequel taking place in Season 3, Season 1 and 40 years before, but it feeds directly into story elements in Season 4

But Sci Fi doesn't provide the episode numbering. As the other sites show, Razor isn't listed as 4.1, 4.2. So when they talk about season 4 having 20 epsiodes, I am fairly certain they don't include Razor.

[Doctor Manhattan]

But Sci Fi doesn't provide the episode numbering. As the other sites show, Razor isn't listed as 4.1, 4.2. So when they talk about season 4 having 20 epsiodes, I am fairly certain they don't include Razor.

I don't really care about how they are numbered (I have last Friday's listed as 403 on my hard drive, and Razor listed as 400, but that is wrong). My point is they are included in Season 4. Sci-Fi is the channel that is producing the show and they are calling Razor part of season 4 which is 22 episodes. So if those other sites (who are not part of the production) are listing only 20, they are missing 2: Razor.

[EliSnow]

I don't really care about how they are numbered (I have last Fridays listed as 403 on my hard drive). My point is they are included in Season 4. Sci-Fi is the channel that is producing the show and they are calling Razor part of season 4 which is 22 episodes. So if those other sites (who are not part of the production) are listing only 20, they are missing 2: Razor.

The problem is that all of the official news about season 4 said there would be 20 episodes, not 22. These are press releases from the creators of the show.

There would only be 22 episdoes if Razor was considered episodes in season 4.

One more point. When did Season 4 premiere by Sci Fi's own advertising? When Razor premiered or on April 4th?

[Doctor Manhattan]

The problem is that all of the official news about season 4 said there would be 20 episodes, not 22. These are press releases from the creators of the show.

There would only be 22 episdoes if Razor was considered episodes in season 4.


This is the offical annoucement from The Sci Fi channel (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=40676):

SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter.

I would think Sci-Fi channel would be more offical than IMDB or TV.com.

One more point. When did Season 4 premiere by Sci Fi's own advertising? When Razor premiered or on April 4th?

I'm not sure how it work on Sci-Fi Channel, but as a fan of Lost I know that the people who put the ads together are not the same people who make the show. The executive producers/head writers of Lost have said this a few times. I would guess it's the same at Sci Fi. But that's a guess. I didn't see the ads.

[EliSnow]

This is the offical annoucement from The Sci Fi channel (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=40676):



I would think Sci-Fi channel would be more offical than IMDB or TV.com.

Okay, that does say taht Razor is two episodes in season 4.

But as I edited in above, didn't Scifi advertise season 4 starting/premiering on April 4th, not when Razor premiered?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Okay, that does say taht Razor is two episodes in season 4.

But as I edited in above, didn't Scifi advertise season 4 starting/premiering on April 4th, not when Razor premiered?

Yes it does say that Razor is included in Season 4 and stating that it would be aired in 2007 rather than with the rest of Season 4:

SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter.

I've quoted this announcement 3 times now.

[EliSnow]

Yes it does say that Razor is included in Season 4 and stating that it would be aired in 2007 rather than with the rest of Season 4.

I mean the advertisements on television and elsewhere.

They all talked about the new season premiering April 4th.

[Doctor Manhattan]

4 times SCI FI Channel has increased its episode order for the fourth season of Battlestar Galactica to 22 from the original 13, including a special two-hour extended episode (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=40676)that will air during the fourth quarter of this year and be released on DVD by Universal Studios Home Entertainment thereafter.

I tried to find something directly from RDM but his blog hasn't been updated since the Sopranos ended, and David Eick seems to have been replaced with Scott Ian from Anthrax (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/blogs/).

[Goatweed]

it was my understanding that Razor is technically the first 2 episodes for season 4.

from wiki :

Season 4

According to SciFi Wire, the SciFi Channel has ordered 22 episodes to be made for season four, an increase from 13 as originally announced. It has also been stated that season 4 will be the final season of Battlestar Galactica. Production of the new season began May 2007 and premiered April 4, 2008. The 22 episode order consists of 20 episodes which will form the fourth season. These episodes were preceded in late 2007 by a special 2-hour television movie titled "Razor",[2] which comprised episodes 21 and 22 of the 22-episode order.

[EliSnow]

4 times

I agree that the press release supports your point.

My point is that they were advertising on television and elsewhere in March that season 4 premiered on April 4th.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I agree that the press release supports your point.

My point is that they were advertising on television and elsewhere in March that season 4 premiered on April 4th.

I would trust the press release rather that the advertising (in fact, NEVER trust advertising) It sounds better to say "Here is the premier", rather than "We started this months ago and held off until now to bring you the stuff you really wanted to see"

They treated Razor differently because in fact it is different. It's a giant flashback within a flashback with an Adama flashback thrown in.

I really wish I could find something with RDM saying this.

[Furtherman]

Wait.. how many episodes? :wacko:

[Doctor Manhattan]

Wait.. how many episodes? :wacko:

13

Eli, regarding the advertising: In January 2006 when Season 2 came back after Pegasus aired in September of 2005, did they call it a premier? And how about the shorter break during Season 3 between The Eye of Jupiter and Rapture? I don't watch Sci-Fi unless BSG is on.

[STC-Dub]

Not 13, the contract was extended from 13 to 20 - 22 if you include Razor. We are three episodes into the season so there are 17 episodes remaining, though I would think that the last episode will be two hours so 16 weeks left is my guess.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Not 13, the contract was extended from 13 to 20 - 22 if you include Razor. We are three episodes into the season so there are 17 episodes remaining, though I would think that the last episode will be two hours so 16 weeks left is my guess.

:lol:

I was just kidding. Look at the 15 or so posts before I answered with "13". And I do include Razor since Sci-Fi does.

[STC-Dub]

Sorry, I need to pay more attention. What were we talking about?

[EliSnow]

13

Eli, regarding the advertising: In January 2006 when Season 2 came back after Pegasus aired in September of 2005, did they call it a premier? And how about the shorter break during Season 3 between The Eye of Jupiter and Rapture? I don't watch Sci-Fi unless BSG is on.

I don't remember. It's possible. We'll have to see how they advertise the second half of season 4, after the break. I don't watch Sci Fi other than BSG either, but other cable channels like USA often have advertising for Sci Fi.

Doc, based on the Sci Fi release and page, it's clear that Sci Fi at least, and likely the creators, considers Razor episodes within Season 4. It just doesn't feel like it based on the storylines, etc.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Doc, based on the Sci Fi release and page, it's clear that Sci Fi at least, and likely the creators, considers Razor episodes within Season 4. It just doesn't feel like it based on the storylines, etc.

They had said that while Razor was set in the past it would also serve to setup events in Season 4 (i.e., The prototype Hybrid talking about Kara).

[pittphantoms]

I loved Razor so much that it pains me to say this - but I think I would enjoy this season more if it wasn't beat into my brain during Razor that Starbuck cant be trusted...

Now the show is so wonderful I am sure they will turn it around and make me regret saying this - but I am having a hard time investing in the Starbuck story line right now. The first thing that happened that remotely interested me was when I saw the people she had with her on the mission... too many valuable resources IMO (Gaida, Helo, fighters...)

[EliSnow]

They had said that while Razor was set in the past it would also serve to setup events in Season 4 (i.e., The prototype Hybrid talking about Kara).

I know, but I guess I'm looking at it continuity-wise and see it as part of Season 3 since that is when the "present" part of it (as opposed to the flashbacks during the ep) took place (unless my memory is completely warped today).

[Doctor Manhattan]

I know, but I guess I'm looking at it continuity-wise and see it as part of Season 3 since that is when the "present" part of it (as opposed to the flashbacks during the ep) took place (unless my memory is completely warped today).

The main part of Razor took place in Season 2, just after The Captain's Hand when Adama promoted Lee to Commander but before Lay Down Your Burdens when Kara went to Caprica to rescue the resistance (Samuel Anders) with flashbacks that took place during Season 1 and before.

I do agree with you. Dramatically, I also look at Razor as seperate from Season 4. Sure, it feeds into the story of Season 4; so does the rest of the series, most directly: Season 3's Crossroads. I have the new episodes numbered #401-#403 on my hard drive with Razor as #400

The original question that led to this whole disscusion was "anybody know how many episodes left?" We would have to look at it from a production point of view, see that Sci-Fi ordered 22 episodes including Razor as 2, so with 3 regular Season 4 shows aired that leaves 17 new ones to go.

[Goatweed]

I loved Razor so much that it pains me to say this - but I think I would enjoy this season more if it wasn't beat into my brain during Razor that Starbuck cant be trusted...

Now the show is so wonderful I am sure they will turn it around and make me regret saying this - but I am having a hard time investing in the Starbuck story line right now. The first thing that happened that remotely interested me was when I saw the people she had with her on the mission... too many valuable resources IMO (Gaida, Helo, fighters...)

When I saw Razor, I immediately thought that Starbuck was probably a Cylon (adding the whole destiny thing in the mix) but looking back I think that Hybrid might have been saying she isn't to be trusted if you were a Cylon - meaning she *might* be the one to follow to Earth. Her disappearance/reappearance and lack of the Cylons knowing about it suggests to me there is another force at work in all of this.

Roslyn isn't exactly trustworthy either, she's tried to rig an election, thrown a cylon out the airlock after lying to him and is always playing on some kind of a sympathy card (wahhh I have Cancer....waaaaah I can't handle being the President without Adama's support and him reading me stories in bed) and always seems to want/need to be on control of the Fleet. She hides under the "I care about everyone" umbrella but doesn't seem to answer for any mistakes - and let's not forget how she was so careful to hide Hera in her school during the occupation (yet she hates all Cylons and wanted that baby killed before it was born)

The fifth Cylon is still unknown and as mentioned a few times, he/she is among the Colonial Fleet along with the other four so with Starbuck gone, wouldn't have Caprica 6 noticed that one of the 5 was gone?

I think if Starbuck were really not to be trusted they wouldn't have written a sidestory for her to go with Adama's blessing to find Earth. It seems like too much wasted time to me in the final season to end up with a "see, she wasn;t to be trusted" resolution to occur.

[Doctor Manhattan]

The fifth Cylon is still unknown and as mentioned a few times, he/she is among the Colonial Fleet along with the other four so with Starbuck gone, wouldn't have Caprica 6 noticed that one of the 5 was gone?

Aren't the Cylons (the Sixes, Eights and Twos) just assuming that the Final 5 are in the Colonial fleet? The Raider saw that there was one among the Viper pilots, but how do they know that there are others? If the Humanoid Cyclons don't know who the Final Five are how could the Raiders know there are others? Couldn't it just be Sam? Sure, we know, but the Cylons didn't see 4 of them meet up just before the Red Eye scan.

I am pretty sure that the 5th of the Final 5 is in the fleet but I don't know that there is anything pointing toward that other than it makes sense dramatically.

One thing that is bugging me about the Cylon cival war: The Centurions had their higher brain functions disabled before the Sixes and Eights removed that thingie. Why did the Humanoid Cylons create the Centurions with the possiblity of revolt, why not make them less intelligent? Same with the Raiders.

[STC-Dub]

Who ever said the Humonoid Cylons created the Centurions? The Centurions came first. A better question is why the Centurians would allow their higher brain functions to be disabled...

[stinkbud]

what an episode....

Looks like the hidden cylons have their very own hybrid baby.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Who ever said the Humonoid Cylons created the Centurions? The Centurions came first. A better question is why the Centurians would allow their higher brain functions to be disabled...

Very good point. Perhaps the old 70s style Centurions created all the newer Cylons, or there are Cylons that we have not seen that are responsible.

[Furtherman]

Who ever said the Humonoid Cylons created the Centurions? The Centurions came first. A better question is why the Centurians would allow their higher brain functions to be disabled...

The Centurions created the humanoid cylons, as it was suggested in Razor's flashback webisodes with a young Adama.

They are most likely smarter than we know. They created the humaniods to inflitrate the humans. But, as we seen in the last episode, when Six had to say "please" to a centurion and Cavil suggested that they are in over their heads with the Centurions.

[pittphantoms]

It said "All will be revealed" this week - what are the guesses for what that means?

I guess Chief has a crisis after he learns Calle is gone and admits he is a cylon...

[Doctor Manhattan]

The Centurions created the humanoid cylons, as it was suggested in Razor's flashback webisodes with a young Adama.

They are most likely smarter than we know. They created the humaniods to inflitrate the humans. But, as we seen in the last episode, when Six had to say "please" to a centurion and Cavil suggested that they are in over their heads with the Centurions.

Logically I would say the "old style" Centurions (as seen Razor) created the humanoid Cylons who then created the new style Centurions and new living Raiders (The old Raiders as seen in Razor probably are just plain ships). Or the "old style" Centurions created all the new ones.

It would not make sense for the old Centurion Cylons to create the humanoid ones and let their creations (the 7/12 Humanoid models) dumb their creators down. There may even be another stage in the Cylon evolution beyond the 70s Style Centurion->Hybrid->Humanoid Cylon+New Centurion timeline. Or there was another Cylon revolt/war sometime between the 1st Human/Cylon war and the current series.

[EliSnow]

It said "All will be revealed" this week - what are the guesses for what that means?

I guess Chief has a crisis after he learns Calle is gone and admits he is a cylon...

I think the tagline "All will be revealed" is a tagline for the year and accompanies all of the previews for each episode. It ties into the beginning which says that the fifth Cylon will be revealed.

I'm fairly certain it also was used for previews of last week's ep.

[Furtherman]

Logically I would say the "old style" Centurions (as seen Razor) created the humanoid Cylons who then created the new style Centurions and new living Raiders (The old Raiders as seen in Razor probably are just plain ships). Or the "old style" Centurions created all the new ones.

It would not make sense for the old Centurion Cylons to create the humanoid ones and let their creations (the 7/12 Humanoid models) dumb their creators down. There may even be another stage in the Cylon evolution beyond the 70s Style Centurion->Hybrid->Humanoid Cylon+New Centurion timeline. Or there was another Cylon revolt/war sometime between the 1st Human/Cylon war and the current series.

Good theory Doc... however, I'm thinking that the old style Centurions evolved into the new style Centurions. If they were able to create humanoid Cylons, they certainly should have been able to update their hardware and looks.

[EliSnow]

Good theory Doc... however, I'm thinking that the old style Centurions evolved into the new style Centurions. If they were able to create humanoid Cylons, they certainly should have been able to update their hardware and looks.

I don't know. If I remember right, Six once said that they stil lhae the old model centurions. If the old centurions were to create new model centurions, why not just upload themselves into such new models, and leave their inferior model bodies behind?

Now it may have been Six within Baltar's memory, so that may be disregarded.

I always wondered whether there may be another model of Cylon out there that is the real creators. Sort of like the original series.

[Furtherman]

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]I don't know. If I remember right, Six once said that they stil lhae the old model centurions.

You're right. She did say they were still around and had their purposes.

But to create something as complex as a humanoid Cylon. That's some smart wiring.

Maybe there is a missing Cylon component.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Good theory Doc... however, I'm thinking that the old style Centurions evolved into the new style Centurions. If they were able to create humanoid Cylons, they certainly should have been able to update their hardware and looks.

That was exactly what I thought before they introduced the idea of "inhibitor modules" and the fact that the New Centurions are capable of more than has been seen on the show before now.

It makes sense that the old Centurions would evolve into the new Centurions, but it does not make sense that they would allow themselves to be dumbed down if they are capable of making the complex hybrid and humanoid cylons. So that's why I think something was in the middle of that change from old to new Centurion. And who did the "Scrapping" of the old Centurions that Athena mentioned in Razor?

[JustJon]

This may sound silly, but the original 70s series had both Gold Cylons and a Cylon leader character (name escapes me and I'm too lazy to look it up), what if there are similar types behind the scenes of these Cylons?

[Doctor Manhattan]

This may sound silly, but the original 70s series had both Gold Cylons and a Cylon leader character (name escapes me and I'm too lazy to look it up), what if there are similar types behind the scenes of these Cylons?

Razor had a Command Centurion with a deeper voice:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4234/bsgey1.jpg

The old show had IL-series Cylons that sounded a bit like C-3PO

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1073/cylonluhk4.jpg

And an Imperious Leader (who I read was voiced by Dennis "President Palmer" Haysbert from 24, but it never sounded like him to me):

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1260/impldrti7.jpg

[Furtherman]

[COLOR="Navy"][SIZE="2"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]Razor had a Command Centurion with a deeper voice:

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4234/bsgey1.jpg

Good call. I had missed that. I gotta watch Razor again.

[Furtherman]

Inside Story of Galactica's Crazy Closers (http://www.wired.com/entertainment/hollywood/news/2008/04/bsg_closers)

http://www.wired.com/images/article/full/2008/04/R_D_still_630x.jpg

Cool story about who makes them and how they are made.

Even better:

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[Doctor Manhattan]

I love those things. Thanks for the link!

[Furtherman]

http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/entertainment/08/04/02_battlestar_lg.jpg

Going back to this picture.

With what's happened to the Chief, and here he's holding a knife... I'm thinking he's gonna stab someone. Tori?

[STC-Dub]

I have seen that pitcture a few times. I do not remember if Chief had the knife before the last episode or not.

I have the worst series ending ever. Using it has happened before, it will happen again theme, the new Galactica catches up to the 1980's one. Thus cementing the worst series finally of all time and being remembered forever.

[Gmann]

Oh that wacky Gaius Baltar.

When will he ever learn ?

[Furtherman]

For a second there I thought we were going to lose Racktrack. I would not have liked that. And Tori become a real Cylon bitch, hasn't she? I think she's gonna have to go.

Baltar's fight with the guard at the end had that funny moment of he being helped up by Six, but everyone else saw him being helped up... not under his own power. I think that's the first time it's been shown that this Six in his head can actually do something physical to him that others could see... I wonder if there is anything to it.

[JustJon]

I have seen that pitcture a few times. I do not remember if Chief had the knife before the last episode or not.

I have the worst series ending ever. Using it has happened before, it will happen again theme, the new Galactica catches up to the 1980's one. Thus cementing the worst series finally of all time and being remembered forever.

Dirk Benedict will be on Earth waiting for them?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Just to go back to the Razor/Season 4 thing:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php

Ronald D. Moore is back to doing podcasts for the show. There is now a podcast labeled "405 - The Ties that Bind" This is the 3rd episode to air in the regular 4th season but labeled as the 5th. (Even I call it the 3rd episode, despite my arguments that Razor is part of Season 4)

I didn't listen to it yet, and I have not heard the podcasts for the "Razor meeting" which is the last podcast before this new one showed up today so I don't know if Ron or anyone else mentioned Razor as being part of Season 4.

[Furtherman]

Does it really matter what season it falls under?

[Doctor Manhattan]

Does it really matter what season it falls under?

It only matters when someone asks how many episodes are left and you want to figure out how many were ordered so that you can answer that question correctly.

So as of April 28th we have 16 brand new episodes of BSG left

[Furtherman]

Right, wouldn't want to give the impression that sci fi fans are particular and precise.

[Doctor Manhattan]

It's a wonderful show and these last 16 episodes will be it, so I think it's worth looking into.

[STC-Dub]

Dirk Benedict will be on Earth waiting for them?

And Lorne Green!

[STC-Dub]

Baltar's fight with the guard at the end had that funny moment of he being helped up by Six, but everyone else saw him being helped up... not under his own power. I think that's the first time it's been shown that this Six in his head can actually do something physical to him that others could see... I wonder if there is anything to it.

There has to be or they would not have shown it. I think it was strange there was so little reaction when it happened though, sort of makes you wonder if it was only in Baltar's mind...

There is an ending for you, the whole series was a dream by Baltar!

[Devo37]

And Lorne Green!

he's dead, but i hear his wonderful cape is alive and well!

[STC-Dub]

he's dead, but i hear his wonderful cape is alive and well!



Rumors of his death in 1987 were greatly exagerated.

[stinkbud]

Just thinking about this weeks episode...

When Tigh was in the cell with Number 6, did anyone else get that his dead wife was an aged Number 6? When he saw Tricia Helfer looking older thats what I thought they were trying to say, then he was more open to her once he realised that. It seems that the Cylons were prone to being with the other Cylons, like Chief and Boomer (who apparently after this week, he has never gotten over her) and who knows...Anders and Starbuck (I am not convinced she isnt a Cylon yet).

I always wondered if the Cylons age, since Tigh was friends with Bill Adama for quite awhile and in flashbacks we did get to see a young Tigh.

[Furtherman]

When Tigh was in the cell with Number 6, did anyone else get that his dead wife was an aged Number 6? When he saw Tricia Helfer looking older thats what I thought they were trying to say, then he was more open to her once he realised that.

That was about Tigh's guilt. He needed to let go of that guilt and Six beating the shit out of him felt better than the memory of killing his wife.

[Gmann]

Ok, I really really wanna know where the hell they are going with this whole Starbuck/Earth thing. Is she a cylon? Is she even human anymore ?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Just thinking about this weeks episode...

When Tigh was in the cell with Number 6, did anyone else get that his dead wife was an aged Number 6? When he saw Tricia Helfer looking older thats what I thought they were trying to say, then he was more open to her once he realised that. It seems that the Cylons were prone to being with the other Cylons, like Chief and Boomer (who apparently after this week, he has never gotten over her) and who knows...Anders and Starbuck (I am not convinced she isnt a Cylon yet).

I always wondered if the Cylons age, since Tigh was friends with Bill Adama for quite awhile and in flashbacks we did get to see a young Tigh.

People have been running with the theory that Ellen was actually an aged Six model all along. It would explain her mysterious appearance and her somewhat conniving ways.

[STC-Dub]

It would, butll of the human model cylons have been the same age throughout the shoq. Their appearance migh be a little different but the only cylon to age has been Saul and he does not look that much different then when he is shown in the 1st flasback. I do not buy Saul's wife as a cylon, I think it is his guilt -- and hope -- making him see Helen in six.

[pittphantoms]

Starbucks story is jumping the shark for me right now...

[Devo37]

i thought friday's episode was pretty weak. nothing much happened! with this being the final season, i was hoping that every episode would count. i was let down by this one...

[STC-Dub]

I was also disappointed but they are building toward next week's episode so I will give them a pass this one week.

[pittphantoms]

I was also disappointed but they are building toward next week's episode so I will give them a pass this one week.

What are they building? For us to hear that Starbuck is leading the human race to their doom? I already found that out - during Razor...

[EliSnow]

Anyone else feeling a little let down by this season? I don't know if it's because I want to like the final four Cylons and hope they maintain who they are (and so far it looks like they won't ). I especially want Tyrol to make good choices and be a good guy.

Or maybe I'm feeling very claustrophobic this season. A lot of the scenes are taking place in small rooms, like arms lockers, the bridge of the Demetrius, or Baltar's "chapel/love den." We haven't been on the Galactica's bridge, or the hangar decks, or on a planet, very much.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Anyone else feeling a little let down by this season?

I'd like to wait until the halfway mark before saying something like that. I do like the Cylon Civil War story line.

[EliSnow]

I'd like to wait until the halfway mark before saying something like that. I do like the Cylon Civil War story line.

I'm not saying it's a bad season, and am waiting for awhile to say that.

I'm just not feeling the excitement and satisfaction that I usually do when watching BSG.

[JustJon]

I started watching BSG a year ago, so I box setted every season up until now, so to me there's a huge lag between episodes, killing the momentum for me.

[pittphantoms]

I'd like to wait until the halfway mark before saying something like that. I do like the Cylon Civil War story line.

I am with you on both points - I am not saying the season is a bust - I just wished so much more would be happening by now. My real disapointment is I cant see a story line with enough time to give me closure on the series - which will be awful. I want to see them get to Earth, I want to see them learn to live with the Cylons, I want to know who the 5th Cylon is and how being a Cylon effects the final 5... I cant see any way with the pace of the season how that can happen at this point. I think they are spending too much time trying to make us think Starbuck is a Cylon - and its driving me crazy because they are making me resent my favorite person on the show just to throw us off the scent of the real 5th.

Also, I LOVE the Cylon Civil War... LOVE... but the last we have heard about it was weeks ago when they sprung the trap.

[Drunky McBetidont]

I am with you on both points - I am not saying the season is a bust - I just wished so much more would be happening by now. My real disapointment is I cant see a story line with enough time to give me closure on the series - which will be awful. I want to see them get to Earth, I want to see them learn to live with the Cylons, I want to know who the 5th Cylon is and how being a Cylon effects the final 5... I cant see any way with the pace of the season how that can happen at this point. I think they are spending too much time trying to make us think Starbuck is a Cylon - and its driving me crazy because they are making me resent my favorite person on the show just to throw us off the scent of the real 5th.

Also, I LOVE the Cylon Civil War... LOVE... but the last we have heard about it was weeks ago when they sprung the trap.

huh?

the ship that starbuck found was a survivor of the cylon attack. he told them that the cylons want to form an alliance with the humans against the other cylons and that is why starbuck wants to jump to the cylon mother ship and why we are in a mutiny.

[pittphantoms]

huh?

the ship that starbuck found was a survivor of the cylon attack. he told them that the cylons want to form an alliance with the humans against the other cylons and that is why starbuck wants to jump to the cylon mother ship and why we are in a mutiny.

I get that they talked about it last week - I guess I would have prefered to see the battle - more information etc... they built this up and then all we see is a heavy raider that was damaged?

[Furtherman]

Morales Boards Battlestar Prequel
Source: The Hollywood Reporter May 7, 2008

Esai Morales has joined the cast of SCI FI Channel's two-hour "Caprica" pilot, says The Hollywood Reporter.

The project, from Universal Media Studios, is a prequel to the network's "Battlestar Galactica." Morales will play Joseph Adama, the father of William Adama (played in "Galactica" by Edward James Olmos), who one day will take command of the Battlestar Galactica.

Joseph is described as a deeply passionate man with a strong sense of justice -- and someone you wouldn't want as your enemy.

Paula Malcomson was previously cast as a surgeon who works as a double agent.

[Drunky McBetidont]

Morales Boards Battlestar Prequel
Source: The Hollywood Reporter May 7, 2008

Esai Morales has joined the cast of SCI FI Channel's two-hour "Caprica" pilot, says The Hollywood Reporter.

The project, from Universal Media Studios, is a prequel to the network's "Battlestar Galactica." Morales will play Joseph Adama, the father of William Adama (played in "Galactica" by Edward James Olmos), who one day will take command of the Battlestar Galactica.

Joseph is described as a deeply passionate man with a strong sense of justice -- and someone you wouldn't want as your enemy.

Paula Malcomson was previously cast as a surgeon who works as a double agent.

spinoffs scare me.:ohmy:

[Judge Smails]

OK, I try and stay out of these discussions because sometimes I'm a bit slow picking up the nuances, so maybe one of you big brains can tell me if I'm totally off in left field.

So, did they say that the final five Cylons come from the thirteenth tribe - Earth. Could that explain why the four were hearing an Earth song: "All Along the Watchtower"? Does this show that they have a knowledge of Earth and it's culture? Along those lines - did anyone catch Baltar quoting Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy on the radio broadcast: "shuffle off this mortal coil . . . the undiscovered county from whose bourne no traveler returns. . ." Does this mean Baltar is the fifth Cylon?

I don't know. I'm just a simple man who doesn't usually get so involved in the intricacies of science fiction mythology like this.

[Devo37]

OK, I try and stay out of these discussions because sometimes I'm a bit slow picking up the nuances, so maybe one of you big brains can tell me if I'm totally off in left field.

So, did they say that the final five Cylons come from the thirteenth tribe - Earth. Could that explain why the four were hearing an Earth song: "All Along the Watchtower"? Does this show that they have a knowledge of Earth and it's culture? Along those lines - did anyone catch Baltar quoting Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy on the radio broadcast: "shuffle off this mortal coil . . . the undiscovered county from whose bourne no traveler returns. . ." Does this mean Baltar is the fifth Cylon?

I don't know. I'm just a simple man who doesn't usually get so involved in the intricacies of science fiction mythology like this.

i was trying to pick up what baltar was saying over the radio, but i didn't hear the hamlet. baltar being the final cylon would really disappoint me for many reasons (as i've mentioned in previous posts).

one of the things the hybrid said: the dying leader will see what happened at the opera. will roslin see what d'anna saw when she saw the final 5, or was that a false-flag?

[Judge Smails]

i was trying to pick up what baltar was saying over the radio, but i didn't hear the hamlet. baltar being the final cylon would really disappoint me for many reasons (as i've mentioned in previous posts).

I rewound my dvr and he (among most of the stuff I couldn't make out) definitely said "shuffle off this mortal coil . . . the undiscovered county from whose bourne no traveler returns" which I recognized from Hamlet. I Googled it and they are verbatim quotes from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy. I doubt they would be such lazy writers as to so blatantly plagarize Shakespeare. There MUST be a reason for it.

[Devo37]

I rewound my dvr and he (among most of the stuff I couldn't make out) definitely said "shuffle off this mortal coil . . . the undiscovered county from whose bourne no traveler returns" which I recognized from Hamlet. I Googled it and they are verbatim quotes from the "To be or not to be" soliloquy. I doubt they would be such lazy writers as to so blatantly plagarize Shakespeare. There MUST be a reason for it.

perhaps baltar is receiving inspiration from the one true god in his speeches.
i was thinking about the 'would the writers be that lazy' question when i couldn't make out what he was saying, and i thought maybe they were just throwing in some of baltar's previous dialogue from old shows to fill the radio time.

please, oh please, don't make baltar a cylon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! his whole tragic-hero angle is that he's a human who, on multiple occasions, has, through his lust, allowed the cylons to nearly destory humanity. if he's a cylon, that whole angle disappears, and humanity was betrayed not by a flawed human, but by a cylon. that would ruin the story for me (without some extraordinary explanation).

baltar must be redeemed to bring the story full-circle, and he will turn out the key to finding earth!

[Drunky McBetidont]

the harbinger of death gives me wood :)

[STC-Dub]

Would that be dead wood?

[Furtherman]

So, did they say that the final five Cylons come from the thirteenth tribe - Earth. Could that explain why the four were hearing an Earth song: "All Along the Watchtower"? Does this show that they have a knowledge of Earth and it's culture? Along those lines - did anyone catch Baltar quoting Hamlet's "To be or not to be" soliloquy on the radio broadcast: "shuffle off this mortal coil . . . the undiscovered county from whose bourne no traveler returns. . ." Does this mean Baltar is the fifth Cylon?

Great catch on the Shakespeare quote!

But that might figure into my theory of Earth, which also addresses "All Along The Watchtower."

Galactica is traveling to Earth of our future. Thousands of years ago, mankind left for the stars. Landed on Kobol. Another Eon or so pass, and the Twelve colonies spread out, with the 13th heading back to Earth. So the words of Shakespeare could have survived in some form or another. The Watchtower song was left as a beacon for the hybrids. When exactly the human-hybrid was created I'm not sure... maybe by the original human settlers. So they have Earth traditions and culture, but so much time as passed they don't know it's from Earth.

I don't think Baltar is the fifth.



As for this upcoming week.... will Gatea make it? He looked pretty bad.

[EliSnow]

As for this upcoming week.... will Gatea make it? He looked pretty bad.

I was watching the ep while running. What was the gist of the conversation between Gaeta and Helo?

[Drunky McBetidont]

I was watching the ep while running. What was the gist of the conversation between Gaeta and Helo?



doesn't want the doc to take his leg. the longer he waits the more likely the leg is a goner.
helo said he wouldn't leave before timer ran out.

[EliSnow]

doesn't want the doc to take his leg. the longer he waits the more likely the leg is a goner.
helo said he wouldn't leave before timer ran out.

Thanks. That's what I thought.

I think Anders is going to be in some shit, when they return.

[Drunky McBetidont]

"guess what's coming to dinner?" scifi.com is running a sneak peak at the top of the hour today till 4pm. 10 min long. no replays or rewind or pause.

-- edit-- just watched, no spoilers in it. it is first ten min of tonights episode. good stuff.

[STC-Dub]

2 weeks until the next new episode!!!

[Tenbatsuzen]

2 weeks until the next new episode!!!

Memorial Day weekend.

[Devo37]

2 weeks until the next new episode!!!

no new episode next week, because of the memorial day weekend.

as for tonight's episode, does anyone know what song Gaeda was singing? a great episode overall, imo...

[docgoblin]

How many episodes are left. While things seem to be coming together there also appears to be much yet to wrap up. This has been a great series.

[Drunky McBetidont]

:furious:grrrrrrr. scifi.com still hasen't posted episode:furious:


anybody know where i might find it?

[pittphantoms]

I am so confused as to where this is going...

Which I think is a good thing.

[STC-Dub]

I lost track, there are either 15 or 16 episodes left.

[Franklyn]

OMG do I love this show. Every week I feel like a child hoping for the episode not to end. This is so well shot and written and the cast seems like they really have been locked in a can together forever.

[Doctor Manhattan]

How many episodes are left. While things seem to be coming together there also appears to be much yet to wrap up. This has been a great series.

Guess What's Coming to Dinner? is the 9th episode* of the 4th season so that leaves 13 episodes to go. That's a first season's worth of shows to put a story together, they have a lot of lines in the water but I am sure it's going somewhere good.

Gaeda singing gave me douche chills. We get it, you're gay!

*It's really the 7th but it's the 9th of 22 ordered by Sci-fi, you add 2 for Razor. Ronald D. Moore mentions this stupid numbering issue in the podcasts for the 4th season (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php). This is why I made such a big deal about it a few pages back. People want to know how many episodes are left since this is the last season.

[Freitag]

I just realized a huge plot hole driving in to work today.

The main reason the Rebel Cylon/Human thing was put together was because the damaged base ship had no FTL drive. It's why they had to rig the raptor to the Baseship and unplug the hybrid.

How much time elapsed between their arrival in the fleet and the sudden jump out? Natalie said herself that the ship can repair itself, but it would take time.

[Doctor Manhattan]

I thought the connection was for navigation purposes.

Do we know how much time they need to repair, how much time passed and where the Hybrid jumped to?

[pittphantoms]

I thought they took the jump drive out of the Raptor and put it on the base ship - and rigged the raptor to jump the ship because they were taking the Hybrid offline.

[Furtherman]

Is America Ready for a Cylon President? (http://aaronrutkoff.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/is-america-ready-for-a-cylon-president/)

http://metamerist.com/images/jmst.png

[Devo37]

We're getting a cylon whether we like it or not:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/bsg_mcc.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/bsg_bar.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/bsg_hil.jpg

well, 2 out of 3 chance, anyways...

[STC-Dub]

Perhaps she is just an aged six? Who was jettisoned out an air lock and hit by a passing ship and...Nah, still doesn't work.

[Doctor Manhattan]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/Devo37/bsg_bar.jpg

Is that the Simon?
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3713/200pxcysimed3.jpg

I want to see McCain in a beige Eye patch before I vote for him.

[oldladyfacepuncher]

We're getting a cylon whether we like it or not:

Fantastic. NSFW (http://daveandthomas.blogspot.com/2007/01/tricia-helfer-playboy-spread.html)

[Drunky McBetidont]

JUMP!!!


http://www.tvfodder.com/battlestar/archives/passage_hybrid.jpg

[pittphantoms]

A friend of mine told me tomorrow's episode is the last of 4.0 - then there will be a delay for the rest of the series - anyone hear the same thing?

[Judge Smails]

A friend of mine told me tomorrow's episode is the last of 4.0 - then there will be a delay for the rest of the series - anyone hear the same thing?

I just jumped ahead on the channel guide on my digital cable and on SciFi Channel 6/6 10:00pm it is listed as "To Be Announced" even though the shows for the rest of the day are listed. So there may actually be something to that, though I hope not.

Edit: After further review - It does state that it's a "New" show but does not say what the show is. Maybe they just don't put the shows up ahead of time until the previous show has aired so they don't give anything away. I don't know. I've never looked that far ahead on the channel guide.

[ShortBuss]

New episode this Fri?

[Judge Smails]

New episode this Fri?

Yes, new show tomorrow. The following Friday (6/6)?

[pittphantoms]

I am reading the website on SciFi - in their forums people are talking 2009 for the season finalle... this SUCKS

Aparently there is a huge cliffhanger at the mid-season episode - so thats nice.

[STC-Dub]

So the final season would last over 8 months? There is also a cliff hanger every week... Love the show, I just would like them to stop messing with the schedule and give us the shows, then again, i isn;t like the Sci-Fi Network has many shows.

[Furtherman]

Tigh's boys can swim!

"You know how many times I had to fix this thing?" Line of the night.

Good to see Romo Lampkin again. Although it was a little obvious that Lee was going to be picked as president, of course.

[STC-Dub]

Ok, I am starting to get a little annoyed with the numerous constant story lines. I still like the show but it has a very schizophrenic feeling to it this season. Sort of like they are trying to get another three year's worth of story lines into one season.

[Furtherman]

This week is the mid-season finale... and if you saw the previews, it looks like some major shit is going to shake up the fleet.

Baltar had me in stitches this past episode. And how about Roslin almost letting him bleed out? I liked the whole cylons and pilots working together. Looks like we're going to see more of that.

[STC-Dub]

Yeah, the Baltar trying to convert the cylon was hillarious.

[Furtherman]

I was afraid this was going to happen.

What the Frak? No New Battlestar Until 2009 (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Galactica-Series-Finale/800041381)

At a Wednesday-night screening of this week's episode, Moore explained to TVGuide.com that even though they are currently filming the series' final scenes, the "practical realities" of post-production — coupled with the formidable end-of-year competition presented by new fall series, baseball and football — places the onset of the final episodes at the start of 2009, at the earliest. "Realistically, there's no way to get back on the air faster," he apologetically added.

[Goatweed]

that's really lame, and from what I hear it's gonna be a painful wait because this "midseason finale" is supposedly one of the most intense and HOLY SHIT episodes in the entire series.

[Freitag]

that's really lame, and from what I hear it's gonna be a painful wait because this "midseason finale" is supposedly one of the most intense and HOLY SHIT episodes in the entire series.

Herc on AICN was raving about it, saying it's better than the Adama double-tap, better than One Year Later, better than Watchtower. Since he and I are usually in line when it comes to all things BSG, I can't wait.

Also, did anyone see the offical BSG propaganda posters? They are BSG themed versions of classic WWII propaganda posters.

I call dibs on sig pics.

And the beginning of 2009 really isn't "that far away"... I mean, six months between seasons has been the norm, hasn't it?

[Furtherman]

Also, did anyone see the offical BSG propaganda posters? They are BSG themed versions of classic WWII propaganda posters.

Where?! Where?!

[Freitag]

Where?! Where?!

http://www.amazon.com/Official-Battlestar-Galactica-Propaganda-Poster/dp/B0013GA7SA/


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NIuzFLseL._SS400_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Wm%2BKrakQL._SS400_.jpg

[STC-Dub]

Oh come on. 10 episodes and then another 6+ month wait? And what do football and baseball seasons have to do with the Sci Fi Network?

[Drunky McBetidont]

scifi.com is streaming the entire finale every hour on the hour starting at 9 am
eight hours and i will know how this season ends:clap:

[Doctor Manhattan]

scifi.com is streaming the entire finale every hour on the hour starting at 9 am
eight hours and i will know how this season ends:clap:

You mean "Summer Finale" (That's what they are calling it) the Season still has 10 more episodes to go.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Streaming sucks. I have a highspeed connection but the video keeps stopping. Audio is fine.

edit: Streaming is much better now!

[Freitag]

SPOILER RULES:

Please don't post spoilers outside of spoiler text until 24 hours after the TV broadcast. (10 pm Saturday) That'll give people enough time to see the show. With Joba pitching for the Yankees on the West Coast tonight, I may be DVRing to watch after the game.

Thanks!!

[Doctor Manhattan]

In the Lost thread I've said that people who have not watched the show after it airs should not be in the thread (Or any place online that discusses Lost). So spoilers are fair game once the show airs.

If people agree with the 24 hour rule, I will go along with that. In any case, I would not post anything until after it actually airs tonight, despite it being available to the public right now...

[Doctor Manhattan]

Oh shit, more music in the final four's heads?

#3 (D'Anna) didn't just tell them who the 4 were, was she lying about the 5th not being in the fleet?

Saul tells Bill the truth. wow... And they refer to Saul being younger with hair before he was revealed as a Cylon (In a flashback), they didn't just ignore it. Good!

Face, Starbuck!
Must buy an Intel chip based computer and go out and see The Happening....
Must buy an Intel chip based computer and go out and see The Happening....
Must buy an Intel chip based computer and go out and see The Happening....

[Freitag]

In the Lost thread I've said that people who have not watched the show after it airs should not be in the thread (Or any place online that discusses Lost). So spoilers are fair game once the show airs.

If people agree with the 24 hour rule, I will go along with that. In any case, I would not post anything until after it actually airs tonight, despite it being available to the public right now...

Yes, but we actually have spoiler tags that aren't that hard to use. And I also found out that the Yankees are playing at 8:05, not 10:05 (I thought, for some reason, they were playing a West Coast team and not the Astros) so I will probably watch the show live now.

Besides, not that many people post in this thread; so I'm guessing the majority of us will be watching live anyway.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Yes, but we actually have spoiler tags that aren't that hard to use.

I know, I use them all the time (including just now for this episode). I just don't think they are needed once the show has aired.

Besides, not that many people post in this thread; so I'm guessing the majority of us will be watching live anyway.

But I will use them if requested.

[Doctor Manhattan]

Holy shit this is a good episode!

The clean Viper has a compass to Earth?!

Okay, this is playing like the end of the series. Where is the twist?

Okay, why are they all upset? <strike>They knew that the colonists left Earth to form the colonies</strike>, looks like there was a reason to leave. Edit: wait I got that wrong: Kobol was the place they left to form the colonies and Earth was the 13th colony. Now I see why they are upset.

[Drunky McBetidont]

i have been so busy this am that i haven't watched yet. guess i'll it stream at 3pm. missed first five minutes all morning and dont want to watch incomplete.

[Drunky McBetidont]

great episode. somebody has to find the remaining episodes from somewhere. maybe they willl play em in england sooner an can be downloaded. i cant wait till january, too far away :(

[docgoblin]

great episode. somebody has to find the remaining episodes from somewhere. maybe they willl play em in england sooner an can be downloaded. i cant wait till january, too far away :(

January!?!?! WHAT??!?! I thought they were wrapping this up now!

[Goatweed]

holy shit. where do they go from here??????