All things McCain

[JerseySean]

Not really. Originally the Vice President was the guy who came in second. And running mates were often selected for political reasons and/or to appeal to a particular region of the nation.

I think the modern "importance" of selecting a VP came in 1960 with Kennedy needing LBJ to deliver southern states.

Yea but none of them ever did aside from LBJ. Humphrey didnt deliver. Agnew didnt. Dole didnt, Bush didnt, Quayle didnt, Gore didnt, Lieberman didnt, Kemp didnt and Edwards didnt. WEhat they did do in many cases was to ensure a unified convention. IE-Moderate and Conservative, Liberal and Moderate.

[JerseySean]

I wanted a bit of historic context for the historic Clinton 16 point bounce that McCain's people tried to set as a marker for Senator Obama. Here is how the week went:

Thursday, July 9: Senator Gore named as VP
Friday, July 10: Time magazine poll shows public doubts about economy
Saturday, July 11: Ross Perot offends NAACP - refers to audience as "you people"
Monday, July 13: Democratic National Convention opens in NYC
Wednesday, July 15: Pope has tumor removed
Wednesday, July 15: Ed Rollins announces he is leaving the Perot campaign.
Wednesday, July 15: Bill Clinton is nominated by Democratic Party
Thursday, July 16: Ross Perot quits race.

Honestly, look at the totality of events that it took to capture a 16-point bounce in the polls.

The problem is, with back-to back conventions, bhe Obama bounce will die quickly ifit already hasnt.

[A.J.]

For all these posts about McCain only meeting Palin once and not being ready to become President, consider the relationship between Harry Truman and FDR. Truman was brought on in 1944 almost as an afterthought. He had little contact with FDR about world affairs (which by the way was kinda important since there was a war going on at the time) and didn't even know about the existence of the atomic bomb.

So it IS possible for a VP to exceed expectations.

[Friday]

i realize this is idol gossip... but it could certainly make things interesting...... and fun!

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834)

[JerseySean]

For all these posts about McCain only meeting Palin once and not being ready to become President, consider the relationship between Harry Truman and FDR. Truman was brought on in 1944 almost as an afterthought. He had little contact with FDR about world affairs (which by the way was kinda important since there was a war going on at the time) and didn't even know about the existence of the atomic bomb.

So it IS possible for a VP to exceed expectations.

I love the fact that everyone is lowering expectations for her. She will exceed expectations and Obama is in trouble. I had a conversation with about 5 or 6 GOP consultants and 2 Dem consultants and they all agree that Palin is a problem for Obama, but if she fucks up, it could sink McCain.

[GreatAmericanZero]

For all these posts about McCain only meeting Palin once and not being ready to become President, consider the relationship between Harry Truman and FDR. Truman was brought on in 1944 almost as an afterthought. He had little contact with FDR about world affairs (which by the way was kinda important since there was a war going on at the time) and didn't even know about the existence of the atomic bomb.

So it IS possible for a VP to exceed expectations.

yeah but that was 65 years ago too

[Tenbatsuzen]

i realize this is idol gossip... but it could certainly make things interesting...... and fun!

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834)

Trig weighed 6 pounds at birth. In no way, shape, or form, did this baby have a "down syndrome low birth weight".

It could be that the announcement of the pregnancy was simply because they knew he had Down's and didn't want to make a big deal of it.

Also, because she had the kid at 44, it could explain the down's.

But god damn, that's some juicy shit right there.

[JerseySean]

yeah but that was 65 years ago too

I agree with GAZ about the time frame. But, to say Palin isnt ready is to say Obama isnt ready. I'm not sure Obama isnt ready, I just dont think he will ever be ready. I just think his thinking and problem solving approach is wrong, both ideologically and from a procedural perspective.

[Dudeman]

i realize this is idol gossip... but it could certainly make things interesting...... and fun!

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834)

before reading this, i was wondering why we hadn't seen pictures of her pregnant. she was a preganant governor, and no one has a picture of her while pregnant?

[epo]

i realize this is idol gossip... but it could certainly make things interesting...... and fun!

Alaskan Governor's child may be her daughter's? (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-69834)

It's idol gossip and a classic trap. Avoid at all costs! Let the tabloids process that story.

[HBox]

For all these posts about McCain only meeting Palin once and not being ready to become President, consider the relationship between Harry Truman and FDR. Truman was brought on in 1944 almost as an afterthought. He had little contact with FDR about world affairs (which by the way was kinda important since there was a war going on at the time) and didn't even know about the existence of the atomic bomb.

So it IS possible for a VP to exceed expectations.

Truman had been a US Senator for 10 years and a judge before that. And he had met FDR more than once. That he was kept in the dark after becoming VP means he was treated exactly like every VP up until recently.

[JerseySean]

Truman had been a US Senator for 10 years and a judge before that. And he had met FDR more than once. That he was kept in the dark after becoming VP means he was treated exactly like every VP up until recently.

You know what I would like to see? Al gore modernized the VP role. Cheney had a different role but maybe more powerful. I think it is time for the media to start asking these candidates what role their VP would have. For example, I would love to see what Biden's job would be, will it be foreign policy? Thats what a Sec of State is for. I'd love to know what Palin's role would be as well. What do you guys think about that?

[JerseySean]

Is it time to merge this and the all things Obama thread into the Presidential thread. They are basically the same thread at this point anyway

[mikeyboy]

Is it time to merge this and the all things Obama thread into the Presidential thread. They are basically the same thread at this point anyway

I think that should be Mojo's call.

[Tenbatsuzen]

before reading this, i was wondering why we hadn't seen pictures of her pregnant. she was a preganant governor, and no one has a picture of her while pregnant?

From March 2008. Trig was born in April.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/santafemarie/PalinFamilyMarch2008.jpg

[A.J.]

yeah but that was 65 years ago too

True but FDR created what many historians consider to be the modern Presidency.

[A.J.]

Truman had been a US Senator for 10 years and a judge before that. And he had met FDR more than once. That he was kept in the dark after becoming VP means he was treated exactly like every VP up until recently.

Noted. But people didn't expect much from him compared to FDR.

[A.J.]

You know what I would like to see? Al gore modernized the VP role. Cheney had a different role but maybe more powerful. I think it is time for the media to start asking these candidates what role their VP would have. For example, I would love to see what Biden's job would be, will it be foreign policy? Thats what a Sec of State is for. I'd love to know what Palin's role would be as well. What do you guys think about that?

Walter Mondale modernized the VP role. He was the first VP to be located in the White House, he met with Carter regularly and he travelled extensively on behalf of the President.

[JerseySean]

From March 2008. Trig was born in April.

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq311/santafemarie/PalinFamilyMarch2008.jpg

Wow. Assuming that isnt a photoshop or something....wow

[JerseySean]

Walter Mondale modernized the VP role. He was the first VP to be located in the White House, he met with Carter regularly and he travelled extensively on behalf of the President.

That was the ceremonial duties. Then when Carter was getting his ass kicked all over DC, he shifted strategy and moved to more of an insider which is where he brought in Mondale. LBJ was the President's capitol hill arm as well. but still those are process issues. Where are the policy issues.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Wow. Assuming that isnt a photoshop or something....wow

From my experience, it's easy to photoshop bigger boobs or a bigger stomach, but a fat face is REALLY hard to pull off without looking fake.

[A.J.]

World leaders older than McCain:

King 'Abdallah bin 'Abd Al-'Aziz Al-Sa'ud of Saudi Arabia: 84 (His younger half-brother and heir to the throne, Crown Prince Sultan, is 80)

ROBERT MUGABE, 84, president of Zimbabwe

GIRIJA PRASAD KOIRALA, 83, prime minister of Nepal

Queen Elizabeth of the United Kingdom: 82

ABDOULAYE WADE, 81, president of Senegal

King Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand: 80

Shaykh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah of Kuwait: 79

HOSNI MUBARAK, 79, president of Egypt

RAUL CASTRO, 76, president of Cuba

MWAI KIBAKI, 76, president of Kenya

MANMOHAN SINGH, 75, prime minister of India

THAN SHWE, 75, chair of Burma's military junta

[JerseySean]

From my experience, it's easy to photoshop bigger boobs or a bigger stomach, but a fat face is REALLY hard to pull off without looking fake.

So if that were true, would it be a bad thing? Aside from the intial shock of it do you guys think that would show family values or weirdness? Remember a lot of politicians have fucked up brothers or kids but the American people all know someone who got arrested for a dumb drug thing or a teenager who got pregnant.

[Tenbatsuzen]

That pic of Bristol Palin is not photoshopped.

From ADN: http://media.adn.com/smedia/2008/03/09/01/687-3504039.standalone.prod_affiliate.7.jpg

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/339587.html

March 9th, 2008.

[HBox]

Noted. But people didn't expect much from him compared to FDR.

I'm still open to Palin being a good President should she need to be. What can't be changed is how McCain picked her. Recklessly and displaying absolutely no seriousness to the business of governing. None whatsoever. It was what helped him politically and that was it. If Palin was talking duck but had all the same political advantages he would have still picked her.

[Dude!]

regardless of who is the mother of the downs baby
i heard john edwards is the father

[Tenbatsuzen]

So if that were true, would it be a bad thing? Aside from the intial shock of it do you guys think that would show family values or weirdness? Remember a lot of politicians have fucked up brothers or kids but the American people all know someone who got arrested for a dumb drug thing or a teenager who got pregnant.

Palin's platform is pro-life via abstinence.

If her 16 year old daughter gets knocked up - then she lies and covers it up - it torpedoes a major part of her family values platform, calls her ethics into question, and also moral and ethical questions arise about allowing/forcing a 16 year old girl to have a kid with Down's Syndrome.

[JerseySean]

Palin's platform is pro-life via abstinence.

If her 16 year old daughter gets knocked up - then she lies and covers it up - it torpedoes a major part of her family values platform, calls her ethics into question, and also moral and ethical questions arise about allowing/forcing a 16 year old girl to have a kid with Down's Syndrome.

No that doesnt seem right. If anything it would enhance her family values platform where many would try to "dispose" of that. If there was a coverup, that I'll buy as a major problem.

[JerseySean]

Palin's platform is pro-life via abstinence.

If her 16 year old daughter gets knocked up - then she lies and covers it up - it torpedoes a major part of her family values platform, calls her ethics into question, and also moral and ethical questions arise about allowing/forcing a 16 year old girl to have a kid with Down's Syndrome.

She had 5 of 6 kids there yesterday, which one wasnt there?

[Tenbatsuzen]

No that doesnt seem right. If anything it would enhance her family values platform where many would try to "dispose" of that. If there was a coverup, that I'll buy as a major problem.

If Bristol was in fact pregnant, there's a coverup.

If Bristol had the kid, she wouldn't be in VP consideration right now. She'd be a governor with a fucked up family situation.

[Tenbatsuzen]

She had 5 of 6 kids there yesterday, which one wasnt there?

Her son is currently in the Army. Her three daughters were there. Trig was not in the spotlight, if he was there at all.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If there was a coverup, this could be a major, major scandal.

It's got everything the media loves. Sex, underage girls, salacious details...

[JerseySean]

If Bristol was in fact pregnant, there's a coverup.

If Bristol had the kid, she wouldn't be in VP consideration right now. She'd be a governor with a fucked up family situation.


I disagree with that. if anything it would show them to be a strong family.

[HBox]

John McCain has been running his current campaign for President longer than Palin has been governor of Alaska.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I disagree with that. if anything it would show them to be a strong family.

If Bristol had the kid.

But if Bristol was pregnant and the family covered it up, it's a whole different ball game.

SEN. BIDEN:

"Governor Palin, how do you expect us to trust you with the country when you can't even parent your own daughter with your beliefs?"

[GreatAmericanZero]

John McCain has been running his current campaign for President longer than Palin has been governor of Alaska.

is that true?

[JerseySean]

If Bristol had the kid.

But if Bristol was pregnant and the family covered it up, it's a whole different ball game.

SEN. BIDEN:

"Governor Palin, how do you expect us to trust you with the country when you can't even parent your own daughter with your beliefs?"

Palin: Senor Biden, HOW DARE YOU TALK ABOUT MY DAUGHTER AND FAMILY LIKE THAT! You should be ashamed of yourself to pick on my daughter.

Campaign over. But if this is true it will be over for her in the next week

[A.J.]

If Bristol had the kid.

But if Bristol was pregnant and the family covered it up, it's a whole different ball game.

SEN. BIDEN:

"Governor Palin, how do you expect us to trust you with the country when you can't even parent your own daughter with your beliefs?"

My guess?:

GOV. PALIN:

"My daughter is human and made a mistake. We both owned up to the fact that we had to take responsibility for this and find a way to raise the child in a loving, healthy environment -- without relying on the government to do it for us."

[JerseySean]

is that true?

Yea and no. He officially announced in April 2007.

[A.J.]

Palin: Senor Biden

Biden is Latino?

[JerseySean]

Biden is Latino?

haha

[HBox]

is that true?

Yeah. (http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7827)


McCain to Form Committee To Explore White House Bid
By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 13, 2006; Page A08

Sen. John McCain of Arizona said he will form an exploratory committee as the first step toward a possible run for the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.


Palin was also the first Alaskan governor born after Alaska achieved U.S. statehood and the first not to be inaugurated in Juneau, instead choosing to hold her inauguration ceremony in Fairbanks. She took office on December 4, 2006.

[Tenbatsuzen]

My guess?:

GOV. PALIN:

"My daughter is human and made a mistake. We both owned up to the fact that we had to take responsibility for this and find a way to raise the child in a loving, healthy environment -- without relying on the government to do it for us."

SENOR JOSE BIDEN:

Governor, why the coverup? Why the lies? Is it because your platform would be deemed fradulent? People would still accept you and your daughter as loving parents, instead of the smoke and mirrors of claiming that you were pregnant.

[epo]

If Bristol had the kid.

But if Bristol was pregnant and the family covered it up, it's a whole different ball game.

SEN. BIDEN:

"Governor Palin, how do you expect us to trust you with the country when you can't even parent your own daughter with your beliefs?"

IF it were true, she wouldn't make it to the debate.

And I would guess that Biden wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

[JerseySean]

Here is the deal. McCain's people would have seen or asked about this. It was publicly speculated about. If this is not true, it will be a perfect setup for her. When doing opp research, anyone would have asked about this. As much is this looks weird, it cant be true.

[K.C.]

And I would guess that Biden wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot pole.

Biden won't even acknowledge this broad in the debate to begin with.

Everything he says will be directed at McCain.

Palin is, at best, such a questionable pick, he won't even have to say anything to or about her, because she'll be on the defensive about credentials the whole time.


Biden will snipe McCain in the debate, and there's probably a very good chance Palin will spend most of her time trying to justify why she could be President if McCain kicked it in office.


The more I think about this, the more I think that the McCain team didn't really think this thing through.

They took a gamble that Palin can bring in Hillary votes. Whether or not that happens, we'll see. But if she doesn't accomplish that, this pick is a HUGE bust, because I'm not sure...at the end of the day...she brings much more than that possibility to the table.

[Dudeman]

My guess?:

GOV. PALIN:

"My daughter is human and made a mistake. We both owned up to the fact that we had to take responsibility for this and find a way to raise the child in a loving, healthy environment -- without relying on the government to do it for us."

that's obsurd. down's kids have a high rate of congenital heart disease- if he needs any interventions, it is unlikely theyll be able pay for those serivicies (heart surgery, echocariograms, caths, etc) totally out of pcoket. they also have a higher risk for leukemia- any treatments and hospitalization for that cost $. hearing loss is also prevelant in downs kids- hearing aids are very $$. at the very least the kid will need speech/physical/occupation therapy, etc. dealing with all of this, not to mention the missed work days by the caregivers, is fine if youre rich, but most families rely on some external financial support. if she says shes going to do it without any government support, every general pediatrician/pediatric cardiologist/ pediatric behavior & development specialist/ pediatric speech,physical, occupational therapist/ and pediatric neurologist will laugh at them.

[JerseySean]

that's obsurd. down's kids have a high rate of congenital heart disease- if he needs any interventions, it is unlikely theyll be able pay for those serivicies (heart surgery, echocariograms, caths, etc) totally out of pcoket. they also have a higher risk for leukemia- any treatments and hospitalization for that cost $. hearing loss is also prevelant in downs kids- hearing aids are very $$. at the very least the kid will need speech/physical/occupation therapy, etc. dealing with all of this, not to mention the missed work days by the caregivers, is fine if youre rich, but most families rely on some external financial support. if she says shes going to do it without any government support, every general pediatrician/pediatric cardiologist/ pediatric behavior & development specialist/ pediatric speech,physical, occupational therapist/ and pediatric neurologist will laugh at them.

Dude, that is very craven. Now we are all talking shit. That would never come up, EVER

[Tenbatsuzen]

Here is the deal. McCain's people would have seen or asked about this. It was publicly speculated about. If this is not true, it will be a perfect setup for her. When doing opp research, anyone would have asked about this. As much is this looks weird, it cant be true.

SHE WASN'T FUCKING VETTED BY MCCAIN'S PEOPLE! AT ALL!

IT WAS A PHONE CALL! THAT'S IT!

It can't be true? Why not? If she was trying to keep up appearances for a chance at the VP spot, of course she would have covered it up.

Is this any more strange than McGreevey having a gay relationship and putting his boyfriend as head of Homeland Security?

[JerseySean]

Biden won't even acknowledge this broad in the debate to begin with.

Everything he says will be directed at McCain.

Palin is, at best, such a questionable pick, he won't even have to say anything to or about her, because she'll be on the defensive about credentials the whole time.



Biden will snipe McCain in the debate, and there's probably a very good chance Palin will spend most of her time trying to justify why she could be President if McCain kicked it in office.


The more I think about this, the more I think that the McCain team didn't really think this thing through.

They took a gamble that Palin can bring in Hillary votes. Whether or not that happens, we'll see. But if she doesn't accomplish that, this pick is a HUGE bust, because I'm not sure...at the end of the day...she brings much more than that possibility to the table.


To say that is to equivocate that the McCain-Obama debates. Which would mean that Obama would be constantly trying to explain how he is qualified. Palin would be able to attack Obama equally. She is more impressive than you guys are giving her credit for.

[JerseySean]

SHE WASN'T FUCKING VETTED BY MCCAIN'S PEOPLE! AT ALL!

IT WAS A PHONE CALL! THAT'S IT!

It can't be true? Why not? If she was trying to keep up appearances for a chance at the VP spot, of course she would have covered it up.

Is this any more strange than McGreevey having a gay relationship and putting his boyfriend as head of Homeland Security?

No she wouldnt. The first part of the vetting process would have been a public record, Lexus Nexus and tax liens, etc search. Someone would have picked this up as it has been publicly speculated about before. Everyone has been vetted. the question about vetting is whether medical records, mortgage papers, etc have been asked for. A phone call from McCain, his people would have been on it. I would bet its not true.

[A.J.]

SHE WASN'T FUCKING VETTED BY MCCAIN'S PEOPLE! AT ALL!

I'm going to give McCain's staff the benefit of the doubt and say that they thoroughly vetted her. They have to review all kinds of high-level candidates for the Cabinet-level positions as well. You don't make this important a pick without checking everything out. It's not like picking someone to be the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research, Development and Acquistion.

And if they didn't, God help them because McCain will fucking go BALLISTIC.

[K.C.]

To say that is to equivocate that the McCain-Obama debates. Which would mean that Obama would be constantly trying to explain how he is qualified. Palin would be able to attack Obama equally. She is more impressive than you guys are giving her credit for.

Except Obama has been answering those questions for two years.

They've asked him pretty much everything they CAN ask him at this point. People should have their mind made up by now whether they think he's qualified or not in terms of experience.

Palin is almost a complete unknown, who was an Alaskan mayor and been Governor for a cup of coffee.

She's a very very old man dying from any number of realistic causes away from going from managing a state that represents 0.002% of the US population, for less than two years, to being President.

She's going to have to make her case, and she has very little time to do it.

[epo]

To say that is to equivocate that the McCain-Obama debates. Which would mean that Obama would be constantly trying to explain how he is qualified. Palin would be able to attack Obama equally. She is more impressive than you guys are giving her credit for.

1992-1996 City Council; Wasilla, Alaska, population 8,000
1996-2002 Mayor Wasilla, Alaska
2003-2004 Chairperson, Alaska Oil & Gas Conservative Committee
2006-current, Governor State of Alaska

Also:
Supporter of Pat Buchanan, 1996 & 2000 Elections (that should play great in Florida!)
2002 - Failed bid as Lt. Governor of Alaska.

Seriously, I would love a Palin vs. Obama debate. All I need to say is the Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Act and that argument is over. Serious people do not make that comparison.

[epo]

I'm going to give McCain's staff the benefit of the doubt and say that they thoroughly vetted her. They have to review all kinds of high-level candidates for the Cabinet-level positions as well. You don't make this important a pick without checking everything out. It's not like picking someone to be the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Research, Development and Acquistion.

And if they didn't, God help them because McCain will fucking go BALLISTIC.

Don't make John angry!

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/joecurl/mccain-angry.jpg

[K.C.]

Supporter of Pat Buchanan, 1996 & 2000 Elections


Ouch.

[JerseySean]

SHE WASN'T FUCKING VETTED BY MCCAIN'S PEOPLE! AT ALL!

IT WAS A PHONE CALL! THAT'S IT!

It can't be true? Why not? If she was trying to keep up appearances for a chance at the VP spot, of course she would have covered it up.

Is this any more strange than McGreevey having a gay relationship and putting his boyfriend as head of Homeland Security?

Totally was vetted.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/how-palin-came.html

[JerseySean]

1992-1996 City Council; Wasilla, Alaska, population 8,000
1996-2002 Mayor Wasilla, Alaska
2003-2004 Chairperson, Alaska Oil & Gas Conservative Committee
2006-current, Governor State of Alaska

Also:
Supporter of Pat Buchanan, 1996 & 2000 Elections (that should play great in Florida!)
2002 - Failed bid as Lt. Governor of Alaska.

Seriously, I would love a Palin vs. Obama debate. All I need to say is the Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Act and that argument is over. Serious people do not make that comparison.

If Palin v Obama is the debate. Obama loses.

[epo]

If Palin v Obama is the debate. Obama loses.

You are not a serious person.

[HBox]

You are not a serious person.

I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

[K.C.]

If Palin v Obama is the debate. Obama loses.

Epo...you wanna field this one?

Just kinda dumbfounded by this statement right now...

[epo]

I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.

haha!

[JerseySean]

You are not a serious person.

Look if the debate becomes about comparing Obamas inexperience to Palin's inexperience while McCain talks about policy and rises above that, Obama loses. If that becomes the debate, it is a huge negative for Obama. He doesnt lose that debate, but he loses because that debate is happening.

[K.C.]

Look if the debate becomes about comparing Obamas inexperience to Palin's inexperience while McCain talks about policy and rises above that, Obama loses. If that becomes the debate, it is a huge negative for Obama.

In what world is that going to be the debate?

Obama will attack McCain on policy, McCain will attack Obama on experience.

That's been the story for the last two months.

If anything, McCain will field questions about why, if he's arguing that his experience is so paramount, did he pick such a visibly inexperienced bottom half of the ticket.

He's the guy that's going to have to reconcile the two.

People don't ask Obama about experience anymore, because it's all been asked by this point. People either think he has it, or they don't.

[epo]

Look if the debate becomes about comparing Obamas inexperience to Palin's inexperience while McCain talks about policy and rises above that, Obama loses. If that becomes the debate, it is a huge negative for Obama. He doesnt lose that debate, but he loses because that debate is happening.

So you are admitting that you are full of shit on the previous statement?

[Dudeman]

If Palin v Obama is the debate. Obama loses.

creationist hockey mom vs. former editor of the harvard law review

[JerseySean]

So you are admitting that you are full of shit on the previous statement?

No it didnt come across properly.

[Dudeman]

Dude, that is very craven. Now we are all talking shit. That would never come up, EVER

you're the one who said shell be able to care for a downs kid out of pocket. i just wanted to make sure you knew of the possible medical requirements of a child with trisomy 21.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Look if the debate becomes about comparing Obamas inexperience to Palin's inexperience while McCain talks about policy and rises above that, Obama loses. If that becomes the debate, it is a huge negative for Obama. He doesnt lose that debate, but he loses because that debate is happening.

Obama has had four years as US Senator.

Palin has had 18 months as a Alaska governor.

I'd venture to say that twice as many people voted for Obama than there are in the entire state of Alaska.

[JerseySean]

In what world is that going to be the debate?

Obama will attack McCain on policy, McCain will attack Obama on experience.

That's been the story for the last two months.

If anything, McCain will field questions about why, if he's arguing that his experience is so paramount, did he pick such a visibly inexperienced bottom half of the ticket.

He's the guy that's going to have to reconcile the two.

People don't ask Obama about experience anymore, because it's all been asked by this point. People either think he has it, or they don't.

Obama is running on being a Washington outsider, then picks the quintessential Washington insider. McCain has and will continue to attack Obama on policy as well. If, going into the Prez debates, the question is about Obama's inexperience and Obama seems to show enough grasp of the issues, McCain gets blown out. They know that, ala Nixon v Kennedy. Therefore the question will be his inexperince and his bad judgement and bad record on taxes, etc.

[epo]

Look if the debate becomes about comparing Obamas inexperience to Palin's inexperience while McCain talks about policy and rises above that, Obama loses. If that becomes the debate, it is a huge negative for Obama. He doesnt lose that debate, but he loses because that debate is happening.

Why would Obama allow that to become the debate? He'll let Palin's lack of record and stances speak for themselves. Like her foreign policy statements such as:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/28416/PalinBlankSlate.jpg

Now Governor Palin, please go debate Senator Joe Biden, a 36-year veteran of Washington who is the Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Committee.

[JerseySean]

you're the one who said shell be able to care for a downs kid out of pocket. i just wanted to make sure you knew of the possible medical requirements of a child with trisomy 21.

I never said that

[HBox]

Obama has had four years as US Senator.

Palin has had 18 months as a Alaska governor.

I'd venture to say that twice as many people voted for Obama than there are in the entire state of Alaska.

I'd venture to say that there are more Republicans who voted for Obama than Palin.

[JerseySean]

Why would Obama allow that to become the debate? He'll let Palin's lack of record and stances speak for themselves. Like her foreign policy statements such as:

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/28416/PalinBlankSlate.jpg

Now Governor Palin, please go debate Senator Joe Biden, a 36-year veteran of Washington who is the Chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Committee.

Its not about allowing, it is about what it is. Obama would love for the debate to be whether McCain and Bush are conspiring to destroy this country, they dont get that debate. McCain would love the debate to be about whether Obama is a secret muslim, he doesnt get that debate. It is more sensitive than that but McCain will push for that to be the debate.

[sailor]

Obama has had four years as US Senator.

Palin has had 18 months as a Alaska governor.

I'd venture to say that twice as many people voted for Obama than there are in the entire state of Alaska.

and obama only had 2 years senate experience before campaigning basically full-time.

and do you just not care that delaware's a small state because that doesn't help you?

[K.C.]

Obama is running on being a Washington outsider, then picks the quintessential Washington insider. McCain has and will continue to attack Obama on policy as well. If, going into the Prez debates, the question is about Obama's inexperience and Obama seems to show enough grasp of the issues, McCain gets blown out. They know that, ala Nixon v Kennedy. Therefore the question will be his inexperince and his bad judgement and bad record on taxes, etc.

Right up until the last sentence (I don't think Obama is inexperienced, has bad judgment, or a bad record on taxes), I agree.

That's the mold of this election.

But none of that has anything to do with Sarah Palin. Never will the question be ask, "Senator Obama, compare your experience to Sarah Palin."

Whereas, I guarantee that McCain will field at least one question during one debate about the fact that he could very well die in office, and asked to explain his pick.

And Palin will get at least one of the same in the VP debate.


I don't know how McCain answers that. If his chief argument against Obama is inexperience, how can he put someone that Republicans are justifying now as 'as experienced as Barack Obama' a heartbeat away from the presidency, when being 'as experienced as Barack Obama' is supposedly a BAD thing from their point of view?

It's completely contradictory.

Which is why, unless women vote on their vaginas in mass numbers, I don't understand how she helps him.

[JerseySean]

and obama only had 2 years senate experience before campaigning basically full-time.

and do you just not care that delaware's a small state because that doesn't help you?

And Barack has NO RECORD in the Senate.

"Suppose, for example, you’re a voter, and you have candidate X and you have candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything but you don’t think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that, on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver."

-Bill Clinton

[HBox]

and obama only had 2 years senate experience before campaigning basically full-time.

and do you just not care that delaware's a small state because that doesn't help you?

The size of Delaware is completely utterly irrelevant as far as Biden is concerned. He wasn't governor of Delaware. He wasn't running the state and only concerned with issues that were relevant to Delaware. He was dealing with National Policy. He has been on the foreign relations committee for a long time.

This doesn't even qualify as a comparison.

[JerseySean]

Right up until the last sentence (I don't think Obama is inexperienced, has bad judgment, or a bad record on taxes), I agree.

That's the mold of this election.

But none of that has anything to do with Sarah Palin. Never will the question be ask, "Senator Obama, compare your experience to Sarah Palin."

Whereas, I guarantee that McCain will field at least one question during one debate about the fact that he could very well die in office, and asked to explain his pick.

And Palin will get at least one of the same in the VP debate.


I don't know how McCain answers that. If his chief argument against Obama is inexperience, how can he put someone that Republicans are justifying now as 'as experienced as Barack Obama' a heartbeat away from the presidency, when being 'as experienced as Barack Obama' is supposedly a BAD thing from their point of view?

It's completely contradictory.

Which is why, unless women vote on their vaginas in mass numbers, I don't understand how she helps him.

I agree with you on that. His answer will be some bullshit, she is a maverick who cleaned up a corrupt state, etc, etc. And he wont be pressed further on it in a debate. Conversely, Obama will have to explain why he picked Biden and how that represents change. So now it becomes how the two campaigns frame this debate and who wins it. It will be more interesting.

[HBox]

And Barack has NO RECORD in the Senate.

"Suppose, for example, you’re a voter, and you have candidate X and you have candidate Y. Candidate X agrees with you on everything but you don’t think that person can deliver on anything. Candidate Y disagrees with you on half the issues, but you believe that, on the other half, the candidate will be able to deliver."

-Bill Clinton

Really? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_Uni ted_States_Senate)

[JerseySean]

Really? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_Uni ted_States_Senate)

Yes really he 0 bills. And dont give me the ethics reform, he didnt write that, the Dem minority wrote that bill the yeear before. The nuclear agreement he co sponsored. He never wrote a bill that became law.

[epo]

And Barack has NO RECORD in the Senate.



Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Act.

That act alone is more of a record than half of the people in that body of government.

You aren't a serious person.

[K.C.]

The size of Delaware is completely utterly irrelevant as far as Biden is concerned. He wasn't governor of Delaware. He wasn't running the state and only concerned with issues that were relevant to Delaware. He was dealing with National Policy. He has been on the foreign relations committee for a long time.

This doesn't even qualify as a comparison.

QFT.

Biden's regarded as one of the top three foreign policy experts in the country, and easily the top Democratic foreign policy expert (with respect to Wesley Clark).

[HBox]

Yes really he 0 bills. And dont give me the ethics reform, he didnt write that, the Dem minority wrote that bill the yeear before. The nuclear agreement he co sponsored. He never wrote a bill that became law.

I realize that my font color can be misleading but that was a link and you should really click it.

[JerseySean]

I realize that my font color can be misleading but that was a link and you should really click it.


Obama has been described to have sponsored "131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee

That is relative to many, so then is Charlie Melancon or Kathleen Sebilius qualified to be President? No.

[K.C.]

I agree with you on that. His answer will be some bullshit, she is a maverick who cleaned up a corrupt state, etc, etc. And he wont be pressed further on it in a debate. Conversely, Obama will have to explain why he picked Biden and how that represents change. So now it becomes how the two campaigns frame this debate and who wins it. It will be more interesting.

It's a fair criticism about the Biden pick, and Obama has kind of heavy-handedily tried to dance around that through the 'Biden always took the train back to Delaware every night' argument, to paint him as the 'ultimate Washington outsider.'

It's lip service at best.

But ultimately, I don't know too many people who say Biden doesn't enhance Obama through his credentials. It helps ease concerns about Obama's foreign policy experience.

I'm still not sure what Palin brings to the ticket. She'll appeal to the Stepford Wives types, but they vote Republican anyway. She won't get Hillary voters.

Maybe they're hoping middle class and poor white men buy into this 'she's a chick who likes to fish and shoot guns' image.

Maybe they think she helps turnout the Evangelical base (although Huckabee would have done that 800x more effectively).


That pick just reeks of a desperate attempt to say 'she's a woman' and hope that's enough for other women to vote.

I think it's a bad miscalculation if that's the case.

[JerseySean]

Lugar-Obama Nonproliferation Act.

That act alone is more of a record than half of the people in that body of government.

You aren't a serious person.

And you think that makes him qualified to be President? Stop it. This Obama fanaticism is like a new life cult or Scientology. In La-La land that could make you President, here it cant.

[epo]

And Barack has NO RECORD in the Senate.



And you think that makes him qualified to be President? Stop it. This Obama fanaticism is like a new life cult or Scientology. In La-La land that could make you President, here it cant.

I was answering your bullshit claim, that you once again made without facts or proof. I provided proof to the contrary and you threw personal mud at me.

You aren't very good at this. In fact you are awful at it.

[JerseySean]

It's a fair criticism about the Biden pick, and Obama has kind of heavy-handedily tried to dance around that through the 'Biden always took the train back to Delaware every night' argument, to paint him as the 'ultimate Washington outsider.'

It's lip service at best.

But ultimately, I don't know too many people who say Biden doesn't enhance Obama through his credentials. It helps ease concerns about Obama's foreign policy experience.

I'm still not sure what Palin brings to the ticket. She'll appeal to the Stepford Wives types, but they vote Republican anyway. She won't get Hillary voters.

Maybe they're hoping middle class and poor white men buy into this 'she's a chick who likes to fish and shoot guns' image.

Maybe they think she helps turnout the Evangelical base (although Huckabee would have done that 800x more effectively).


That pick just reeks of a desperate attempt to say 'she's a woman' and hope that's enough for other women to vote.

I think it's a bad miscalculation if that's the case.

Remembe, you are basing it on knowing her for an 8 minute speech. she will appeal to the more traditional Clinton voters, union members (who are not falling into line like their bosses were hoping for), and hardworking American families. She will help with evangelicals and hey lets wait a week or so and see what she has. Apparantly she is a tough campaigner and quick on the trail. Lets see.

[JerseySean]

I was answering your bullshit claim, that you once again made without facts or proof. I provided proof to the contrary and you threw personal mud at me.

You aren't very good at this. In fact you are awful at it.

No you just take every word literally. You are smug, "gotcha" guy. Stop it.

[HBox]

Obama has been described to have sponsored "131 bills since Jan 4, 2005," of which 90% (118 bills) remain in committee

That is relative to many, so then is Charlie Melancon or Kathleen Sebilius qualified to be President? No.

Neither one of them are Senators so the comparison is meaningless.

I'm done arguing with you. Once you are proven wrong you go somewhere else. It's like a never ending downward spiral of shit.

[K.C.]

That pick just reeks of a desperate attempt to say 'she's a woman' and hope that's enough for other women to vote.


And coincidentally, I've turned on FOX News maybe a half dozen different times in the last day or so and each time, they've had pundits revealing stories they 'heard' of 'Democratic women who voted for Hillary who are now voting for McCain'

That's absolutely the calculation behind Palin...jump on the gender train!

They even trotted out Greta Van Sustran and Susan Estrich to say their 'e-mail boxes were FLOODED' with angry women who are now voting for McCain.


It's a farce, and it's not going to work. It's the equivalent of asking Hillary voters to vote for someone like Elizabeth Dole.

I'm going to go out on a limb with this, but I'll guess that the Hillary women are a little bit more discerning than to vote for someone who disagrees with them on almost every issue.

And if not...I'm leading the movement to repeal the 19th amendment. :)

[Tenbatsuzen]

And you think that makes him qualified to be President? Stop it. This Obama fanaticism is like a new life cult or Scientology. In La-La land that could make you President, here it cant.

OK, comparing Obama to Scientology is a bit much and you're godwinning your argument.

The problem, as noted, is that Palin doesn't have experience and it's a LOT more likely she can become president if something happens to McCain.

Barack can turn to Biden in times when advice on Foreign policy is needed. Will Palin bring brownies to a summit in Malta?

[JerseySean]

Really? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bills_sponsored_by_Barack_Obama_in_the_Uni ted_States_Senate)

COngressman Don Cayzoux (LA-6) Legislative record. He is a congressman from lousisiana who has been in office about 5 months, accomplished more than Obama has in 4 years in the Senate

Passed House
Jul 30, 2008 3:09 PM
H.R. 6445: Veterans' Health Care Policy Enhancement Act of 2008
Passed House
Jun 18, 2008 3:08 PM
H.R. 6276: Public Housing Disaster Relief Act of 2008

[Tenbatsuzen]

I said it before, and I'll say it again. McCain picking Palin is equivalent of trade deadline deal in Baseball for a free agent. Sure, it'll help you short-term, but what happens 2-3 years down the road?

[Tenbatsuzen]

COngressman Don Cayzoux (LA-6) Legislative record. He is a congressman from lousisiana who has been in office about 5 months, accomplished more than Obama has in 4 years in the Senate

Passed House
Jul 30, 2008 3:09 PM
H.R. 6445: Veterans' Health Care Policy Enhancement Act of 2008
Passed House
Jun 18, 2008 3:08 PM
H.R. 6276: Public Housing Disaster Relief Act of 2008

...he's not a senator.

[JerseySean]

And coincidentally, I've turned on FOX News maybe a half dozen different times in the last day or so and each time, they've had pundits revealing stories they 'heard' of 'Democratic women who voted for Hillary who are now voting for McCain'

That's absolutely the calculation behind Palin...jump on the gender train!

They even trotted out Greta Van Sustran and Susan Estrich to say their 'e-mail boxes were FLOODED' with angry women who are now voting for McCain.


It's a farce, and it's not going to work. It's the equivalent of asking Hillary voters to vote for someone like Elizabeth Dole.

I'm going to go out on a limb with this, but I'll guess that the Hillary women are a little bit more discerning than to vote for someone who disagrees with them on almost every issue.

And if not...I'm leading the movement to repeal the 19th amendment. :)

I think the percentage of Hillary voters that Barack seems to be having a problem with would have been fine with Obama after the DNC. This added insult to injury that she wasnt the VP pick.

[Tenbatsuzen]

COngressman Don Cayzoux (LA-6) Legislative record. He is a congressman from lousisiana who has been in office about 5 months



Spell his name right, Google is not picking up anything.

[epo]

No you just take every word literally. You are smug, "gotcha" guy. Stop it.

You and I are done. Your arguments are baseless and done so without any backing whatsoever.

And I'm the ass in this?

I put you on my ignore list once on this site and you have now gone back to that status. :bye:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I put you on my ignore list once on this site and you have now gone back to that status. :bye:

awww, I'm having fun picking on the retards.


Wait, you didn't ignore me too, did you? Epo? EPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[JerseySean]

...he's not a senator.

Exactly, he is a lowly congressman who is one of 435 and did more than Obama, one of 100. Since when do congressmen have more clout than a Senator?

[Dude!]

creationist hockey mom vs. former editor of the harvard law review


oh come on

how about governor vs. mulatto

if you are going to be an idiot...

[JerseySean]

Spell his name right, Google is not picking up anything.

don cazayoux

[epo]

awww, I'm having fun picking on the retards.

Wait, you didn't ignore me too, did you? Epo? EPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No Matty, you are still on the good list.

Needless to say that JerseySean and I have done this before and it's fun for a bit but it's boring. You can only rhetorically beat someone for so long until you walk away.

[JerseySean]

No Matty, you are still on the good list.

Needless to say that JerseySean and I have done this before and it's fun for a bit but it's boring. You can only rhetorically beat someone for so long until you walk away.

Because I said Obama has no record. Take your ball and go home.

[A.J.]

Exactly, he is a lowly congressman who is one of 435 and did more than Obama, one of 100. Since when do congressmen have more clout than a Senator?

When they are Speaker of the House.

[JerseySean]

When they are Speaker of the House.

He is 434 on the depth chart. He a ways away.

[Recyclerz]

I'm still open to Palin being a good President should she need to be. What can't be changed is how McCain picked her. Recklessly and displaying absolutely no seriousness to the business of governing. None whatsoever. It was what helped him politically and that was it. If Palin was talking duck but had all the same political advantages he would have still picked her.

H-Box has nailed what bothers me most about this decison by McCain. It appears to be a high risk/high reward roll of the dice based on gut instinct and short-term political advantage. Sound familiar? It should - we've just had 7 & 1/2 years of that management style in the White House. To be fair, it produced a statistically significant result - it isn't often that a dice player can lose on every throw. Of course, some mathematically savvy wise guy could say we're due for a regression to the mean so that McCain should keep rolling because we're about to start getting lucky.

McCain's reasons for picking her are fairly clear: she's right-wing enough on the social issues to keep the the Christianists happy, she might appeal to the working-class women (who don't follow the nuance of issues all that closely) who threw in with Hilary in some of the rust-belt states (PA, OH, etc.) and she might pick up the MILF fans out there (the Tommy Z vote :wink: ) In the short term it has worked beautifully - there is very little cable news chat about how Presidential Obama looked on Thursday. However, it is too soon to judge whether she can stand up to the coming scrutiny; if she does, and turns out to be as good as NYDragons has been telling us, it is a masterstroke for McCain. If the campaign tries to protect her from the press (ie. no one-on-one interviews on the Sunday morning shows, except Fox, of course) I think it will be an early signal that she's not ready for the big time.

This will be interesting. :popcorn:

[Zorro]

Trig weighed 6 pounds at birth. In no way, shape, or form, did this baby have a "down syndrome low birth weight".

It could be that the announcement of the pregnancy was simply because they knew he had Down's and didn't want to make a big deal of it.

Also, because she had the kid at 44, it could explain the down's.

But god damn, that's some juicy shit right there.

and Barack's a Muslim

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0408/pipes042908.php3

and we never landed on the moon

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

and 9/11 was an inside job

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911


and Lincoln was killed by the Jews

http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln74.html

[HBox]

and Barack's a Muslim

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0408/pipes042908.php3

and we never landed on the moon

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html

and 9/11 was an inside job

http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911


and Lincoln was killed by the Jews

http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln74.html (http://home.att.net/%7Erjnorton/Lincoln74.html)

I never heard about that last one. Wow people are nutty.

[K.C.]

I never heard about that last one. Wow people are nutty.


John Wilkes Booth was an actor...

...who controls the media and entertainment industry?

I'm convinced.

[GreatAmericanZero]

John Wilkes Booth was an actor...

...who controls the media and entertainment industry?

I'm convinced.

If you wanna know the truth you gotta dig up johnny booth


the butthole surfers were wise

[Zorro]

John Wilkes Booth was an actor...

...who controls the media and entertainment industry?

I'm convinced.

The Rothschilds...

[Zorro]

Anyway here's my deal on both Barack Obama and Sarah Palin... if we want to bring minorities and woman into the highest levels of the government the we're going to have to have a leap of faith. Otherwise it's the old you can't get the job without experience, but you can't get the experience without the job...So we wind up with a two year Senator and a two year Governor...

I believe it's the risk we take in order move forward. ...and let's be honest McCain has no shot...so this was a hail mary...but a good one...

[GreatAmericanZero]

McCain folks at least have to admit htis

with Obama's "inexperience"..we had quite awhile to get used to that and passed that..and find other reasons why we are going to vote for him


with "sarah palin's inexperience"..this is kinda a new thing. Im not comfortable. Don't know if i'll be comfortable by november

[HBox]

Anyway here's my deal on both Barack Obama and Sarah Palin... if we want to bring minorities and woman into the highest levels of the government the we're going to have to have a leap of faith. Otherwise it's the old you can't get the job without experience, but you can't get the experience without the job...So we wind up with a two year Senator and a two year Governor...

I believe it's the risk we take in order move forward. ...and let's be honest McCain has no shot...so this was a hail mary...but a good one...

Oh come on. There are plenty of black politicians and women politicians with plenty of experience. Hell, there's a highly successful female Republican Governor who's more popular than Palin, has much more experience and was also considered and vetted to be McCain's VP.

Jodi Rell. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell)

Of course she's also not young and attractive therefore making her marginally less appealing from political perspective which is the one and only thing McCain cares about at this point. That she is more than capable of being President today and Palin isn't is completely immaterial when a couple votes are at stake.

[scottinnj]

well... my lifetime republican father has just told me that he is definitely Not going to vote for McCain.



There are tons of us out there. I don't know why John Gibson doesn't believe us.

[HBox]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9702/notreadyme7.jpg

If you are still going to push a line of attack that directly contradicts your Vice Presidential candidate, don't put it RIGHT NEXT to your VP announcement.

[scottinnj]

If Palin v Obama is the debate. Obama loses.

You are not a serious person.

Yeah, it's Obama v McCain.
I'm tired.

[K.C.]

Oh come on. There are plenty of black politicians and women politicians with plenty of experience. Hell, there's a highly successful female Republican Governor who's more popular than Palin, has much more experience and was also considered and vetted to be McCain's VP.

Jodi Rell. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell)

Of course she's also not young and attractive therefore making her marginally less appealing from political perspective which is the one and only thing McCain cares about at this point. That she is more than capable of being President today and Palin isn't is completely immaterial when a couple votes are at stake.

There are WAY more experience females on the Republican side. One of the hot rumors for a while was Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas.

Another early, early on rumor was Elizabeth Dole.

Christine Todd Whitman would have been an excellent choice, and that's one of the few Republican women who would have actually had a shot to bring over some Hillary voters.

[HBox]

There are WAY more experience females on the Republican side. One of the hot rumors for a while was Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas.

Another early, early on rumor was Elizabeth Dole.

Christine Todd Whitman would have been an excellent choice, and that's one of the few Republican women who would have actually had a shot to bring over some Hillary voters.

Yeah, I just pointed out Rell because she so closely parallels Palin.

[scottinnj]

Okay slow the fuck down people! I posted something this morning, and when I got home the thread was 5 FUCKING PAGES longer. I quote to reply to something and now I'm lost to get back to where I was. I CAN'T KEEP UP!

[NewYorkDragons80]

Trig weighed 6 pounds at birth. In no way, shape, or form, did this baby have a "down syndrome low birth weight".

It could be that the announcement of the pregnancy was simply because they knew he had Down's and didn't want to make a big deal of it.

Also, because she had the kid at 44, it could explain the down's.

But god damn, that's some juicy shit right there.

You and Friday are pieces of shit, respectively. The end.

[Friday]

You and Friday are pieces of shit, respectively. The end.

classy.

[GreatAmericanZero]

ive met Matty and Friday, they seemed like wonderful people to me

[NewYorkDragons80]

classy.
Only trumped by your classiness, sir. I called your anonymous message board username a piece of shit. You posted an outrageous claim about a 16 year old girl who has nothing to do with any campaign for anything.

Hop in, kid
http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypress/ProdImages/cof_vampire_coffin_box_lg.jpg

[K.C.]

You and Friday are pieces of shit, respectively. The end.

Razzle Dazzle!

old friends.........old friends.......

[scottinnj]

and Lincoln was killed by the Jews

http://home.att.net/~rjnorton/Lincoln74.html

I never heard about that last one. Wow people are nutty.

It's not so crazy. Did you see the pictures of those old coots? They all looked like diamond cutters back then.

[HBox]

PEOPLE! CAN'T YOU SEE THIS VP PICK IS TEARING US APART?!

[Friday]

ive met Matty and Friday, they seemed like wonderful people to me

likewise..... http://img115.exs.cx/img115/9916/z4dwink.gif

[K.C.]

Only trumped by your classiness, sir. I called your anonymous message board username a piece of shit. You posted an outrageous claim about a 16 year old girl who has nothing to do with any campaign for anything.



Ouch, Friday...he's calling you a dude on top of it, too.


In fairness, it's not like they made it up. It was linked from somewhere, I believe.

[Zorro]

There are WAY more experience females on the Republican side. One of the hot rumors for a while was Kay Bailey Hutchinson from Texas.

Another early, early on rumor was Elizabeth Dole.

Christine Todd Whitman would have been an excellent choice, and that's one of the few Republican women who would have actually had a shot to bring over some Hillary voters.

Kay Bailey had no desire to be VP...out

Elizabeth Dole is 72 and also in the fight of her life to keep her Senate seat...out

Christy Todd Fucked up the EPA and then wrote a tell all book..out

Jodi Rell did not want to be part of a losing ticket and risk her Governorship

[Friday]

Only trumped by your classiness, sir. I called your anonymous message board username a piece of shit. You posted an outrageous claim about a 16 year old girl who has nothing to do with any campaign for anything.

Hop in, kid
http://www.pushindaisies.com/candypress/ProdImages/cof_vampire_coffin_box_lg.jpg

Sir? :lol:
Fail!

and double fail, darlin... because i pointed out that i knew that it was a gossip column link.
but hey... if the media can't have fun with the elections... than it wouldn't be America.

and my message board username is hardly anonymous. my real name was even posted in this very thread!
woohoo for not being a douchy anonymous messageboard guy! :bye:

[NewYorkDragons80]

Tenbats and Friday, I immediately regret what I wrote. I went overboard. Sorry, fellas.

But this is almost certainly not true and shouldn't be taken seriously. Let's not bring candidates kids into this.

That being said, Paul McCartney has been for decades.

[HBox]

Kay Bailey had no desire to be VP...out

Elizabeth Dole is 72 and also in the fight of her life to keep her Senate seat...out

Christy Todd Fucked up the EPA and then wrote a tell all book..out

Jodi Rell did not want to be part of a losing ticket and risk her Governorship

Where did you hear Hutchinson had no desire? I saw an interview with her during the DNC and she seemed interested. And Rell's governorship wouldn't be at risk. She's hugely popular and could just go back being governor if McCain loses. Just as Palin can do if McCain loses.

[K.C.]

Tenbats and Friday, I immediately regret what I wrote. I went overboard. Sorry, fellas.

But this is almost certainly not true and shouldn't be taken seriously. Let's not bring candidates kids into this.

That being said, Paul McCartney has been for decades.


http://granitegrok.com/pix/john_kerry.jpg


FLIP FLOP! FLIP FLOP!

[JerseySean]

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/08/30/smart_tactical_pick.html

Best case I've heard for Palin

[GreatAmericanZero]

I believe..from what i've seen in life..is that what wins election is who the people truly love versus who they are voting for because "its not them"

I voted for Kerry because he wasn't W. I didn't like kerry, but he wasn't W. At that time...there were people who LOVED W. The same thing happened in 2000...Gore is loved by people today, but in 2000 he was only voted for because he was the democrat.

I feel today, people truly love Obama. I feel Republicans supporting McCain are doing it because they are republicans and he is their ticket. If he wins, I'll be surprised because it goes against what i've experienced in my short life of watching elections

[Zorro]

Where did you hear Hutchinson had no desire? I saw an interview with her during the DNC and she seemed interested. And Rell's governorship wouldn't be at risk. She's hugely popular and could just go back being governor if McCain loses. Just as Palin can do if McCain loses.

Hutchinso...Just saw an interview with her were she said she wanted to run for Governor in 2010.

Rell's popularity not a sure thing http://www.wtic.com/pages/2515325.php?

[scottinnj]

If there was a coverup, this could be a major, major scandal.

It's got everything the media loves. Sex, underage girls, salacious details...

You know, I'm not going to believe this unless someone scoops the story and she confesses to it.

But I wouldn't be shocked. Anything is possible these days in politics. I live in
McGreevy-Land.

[Friday]

I believe..from what i've seen in life..is that what wins election is who the people truly love versus who they are voting for because "its not them"

I voted for Kerry because he wasn't W. I didn't like kerry, but he wasn't W. At that time...there were people who LOVED W. The same thing happened in 2000...Gore is loved by people today, but in 2000 he was only voted for because he was the democrat.

I feel today, people truly love Obama. I feel Republicans supporting McCain are doing it because they are republicans and he is their ticket. If he wins, I'll be surprised because it goes against what i've experienced in my short life of watching elections

you speak smartly! and i agree.
believe me... talking to my dad today gave me a hope like no other.
he is a die hard republican and we have gone to battle over the issues in the past. but he refuses to buy into the hype the party is feeding him and he can see the bigger picture.
he also recognizes that the VP candidate choice was a last ditch stunt done for political gain only.... and i cannot argue with it.

but, to me, he is proof that perhaps not all Republican voters will vote red just to vote red.
this time around people are actually EXCITED about the election and they are reading and talking about and reviewing the candidates on their own and with their peers.
that excites me!

[HBox]

Hutchinso...Just saw an interview with her were she said she wanted to run for Governor in 2010.

Rell's popularity not a sure thing http://www.wtic.com/pages/2515325.php?

Well of course Hutichinson isn't going to say she wanted to be VP after not being chosen. Pawlenty and Romney are pissed. They feel jerked around, being used by the McCain campaign as decoys while feeling now they never had a shot at being VP. But they sure as hell aren't going to say anything publicly.

As far as Rell, that's another parallel with Palin. 80% approval rating is being thrown around about Palin but her latest approval rating was........ 65%. They are both still extremely popular.

[scottinnj]

Ouch, Friday...he's calling you a dude on top of it, too.

Must have been a Fruedian Typo. Friday's sensual feminine wiles just burst through whenever she posts. He couldn't have overlooked that.

[JerseySean]

You know I'm with Scott here. For years we would hear that McGreevey was gay. There were a multitude of parking tickets on 42nd st. Etc. All the troopers swore up and down he was gay. Everyone in political circles knew it. That's why I don't discount this stuff like the possible pregnancy or the Sinclair stuff. Between McGreevey, torch, Assemblyman Neil Cohen, etc, etc, we here in Nj should be skeptical.

[K.C.]

I believe..from what i've seen in life..is that what wins election is who the people truly love versus who they are voting for because "its not them"

I voted for Kerry because he wasn't W. I didn't like kerry, but he wasn't W. At that time...there were people who LOVED W. The same thing happened in 2000...Gore is loved by people today, but in 2000 he was only voted for because he was the democrat.

I feel today, people truly love Obama. I feel Republicans supporting McCain are doing it because they are republicans and he is their ticket. If he wins, I'll be surprised because it goes against what i've experienced in my short life of watching elections


I've said many times that there's a lot in McCain's campaign that reminds of Kerry's '04 campaign.

It's a good line of thought, but probably a bit too simplistic. I don't really think anyone loved Bush in '88. And I'm not sure anyone liked Nixon, let alone loved him.

There's circumstances under which you can win as a candidate of convenience, like Kerry was in '04 or Gore was in '00.

But for the most part, you're right...when there's a wave that sweeps over a candidate, it motivates people to do more, and that translates into votes.

[K.C.]

Must have been a Fruedian Typo. Friday's sensual feminine wiles just burst through whenever she posts. He couldn't have overlooked that.

Just admit it, Scott...she had you at 'wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'

:)

[epo]

I believe..from what i've seen in life..is that what wins election is who the people truly love versus who they are voting for because "its not them"

I voted for Kerry because he wasn't W. I didn't like kerry, but he wasn't W. At that time...there were people who LOVED W. The same thing happened in 2000...Gore is loved by people today, but in 2000 he was only voted for because he was the democrat.

I feel today, people truly love Obama. I feel Republicans supporting McCain are doing it because they are republicans and he is their ticket. If he wins, I'll be surprised because it goes against what i've experienced in my short life of watching elections

There is much truth in that statement. Since 1980 let's look at who the elections have been about:

1980: Reagan's people made it about Ronny.
1984: It was about Reagan
1988: It was about extending Reagan
1992: It was about who is this Clinton kid?
1996: It was damn, let's stop Clinton
2000: It was about everybody get away from Clinton, and who is Bush
2004: It was about stopping Bush
2008: Polling seems to suggest that it's about who is this Obama kid?

The trends would guess that Obama would have the advantage, but damn you never know in politics.

[Zorro]

Thet just opened a Cheeburger Cheeburger in my neighborhood... Damn that salad was the best...and I usually hate chain restaurants

as for McCain:

1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.



http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html

I think the general consensus is that McCain is going to get trounced....not many people would want to assocaite themselves with the campaign...Gulf state governors are prolly hoping the Gustav is a bust, but glad it keeps them away from St Paul

[scottinnj]

Just admit it, Scott...she had you at 'wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee'

:)

That actually is my fav sigpic she has. It's just neat-o!

[K.C.]

There is much truth in that statement. Since 1980 let's look at who the elections have been about:

1980: Reagan's people made it about Ronny. Agreed
1984: It was about Reagan Agreed, although Mondale was garbage as a candidate
1988: It was about extending Reagan Ehhhh...I think it was more about the fear of the social values of a Dukakis presidency. Bush spent a lot of time demonizing Dukakis' values. A vote for Bush in that election may have been more of a vote against Dukakis.
1992: It was about who is this Clinton kid? Sort of...people fell in love with Clinton, but at the end of the day, if Perot doesn't run, Bush wins. I'll hold to that, and no one can tell me otherwise.
1996: It was damn, let's stop Clinton Agreed, but Dole has no joe-mentum
2000: It was about everybody get away from Clinton, and who is Bush Agreed, plus, people fell in love with the 'president you can have a beer with' myth.
2004: It was about stopping Bush Agreed, which is why I say Kerry is a candidate of convenience.
2008: Polling seems to suggest that it's about who is this Obama kid? So far.

The trends would guess that Obama would have the advantage, but damn you never know in politics.


My thoughts in bold.

[JerseySean]

There is much truth in that statement. Since 1980 let's look at who the elections have been about:

1980: Reagan's people made it about Ronny.
1984: It was about Reagan
1988: It was about extending Reagan
1992: It was about who is this Clinton kid?
1996: It was damn, let's stop Clinton
2000: It was about everybody get away from Clinton, and who is Bush
2004: It was about stopping Bush
2008: Polling seems to suggest that it's about who is this Obama kid?

The trends would guess that Obama would have the advantage, but damn you never know in politics.

80 was about Carter, clearly about Carter. 88 was about Dukakis, 92 was about bush, 2000 was about Clinton/Gore. 2004 they made it about Kerry. You're way off on that. This year is about Bush. But it will come down to who is more successful at making it about the other person. If the Obama people make it about Bush/McCain its over. If McCain makes it about Obama, Obama will lose.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i was in kindergarten in the 88 election. I remember because the first homework assignment i ever had was pasting the winner of the election on a piece of paper. I also remember the kids laughing and calling him "Du-cocky-is" cuz "cocky" was a funny word for "poop"

[GreatAmericanZero]

80 was about Carter, clearly about Carter. 88 was about Dukakis, 92 was about bush, 2000 was about Clinton/Gore. 2004 they made it about Kerry. You're way off on that. This year is about Bush. But it will come down to who is more successful at making it about the other person. If the Obama people make it about Bush/McCain its over. If McCain makes it about Obama, Obama will lose.

you are looking it from the media standpoint...my point was about what i felt was going on in the country. The media made a push for Kerry...but no one really loved Kerry...but there were people that LOVED the shit out of Bush in 04. No one loved Gore...But people really thought W. represented something in '00. My point was to look past "the media" and look at the country and the vibe that seemed to be going on at the time

[scottinnj]

i was in kindergarten in the 88 election.

Holy Shit I'm the old guy on this board. I joined the Army in 88. I voted for Bush in Basic Training.

Good Times...good times.

[Zorro]

My thoughts in bold.

Kerry's fatal mistake was the "John Kerry reporting for duty". Military and Veteran guys have no problem with people that complain about their service or the government... The problem with Kerry was he tried to have it both ways. He came back from Vietnam and blasted the military...threw away ribbons and disavowed service. Then when running for President he tried to use that same service as the main qualification for the job. Fed right into the flip-floppers and swift boat jerks

[GreatAmericanZero]

also...as we are talking about "Kerry" fucking up

at the DNC this year..kerry spoke. What a bore. Al Gore spoke. What a bore. Obama spoke...that nigga can SPEAK. Bill Clinton spoke...that motherfucka can speak. Important to at least acknowledge.

[Zorro]

also...as we are talking about "Kerry" fucking up

at the DNC this year..kerry spoke. What a bore. Al Gore spoke. What a bore. Obama spoke...that nigga can SPEAK. Bill Clinton spoke...that motherfucka can speak. Important to at least acknowledge.

I actually thought Kerry was better in '08 than '04...John Kerry unleashed..

[Zorro]

Holy Shit I'm the old guy on this board. I joined the Army in 88. I voted for Bush in Basic Training.

Good Times...good times.

Air Force 1978 so don't feel bad... Carter was actually the first time I voted and he lost.

[GreatAmericanZero]

I actually thought Kerry was better in '08 than '04...John Kerry unleashed..

but did u think his "speech" in 08 or his presence was better than Obama's?

[epo]

also...as we are talking about "Kerry" fucking up

at the DNC this year..kerry spoke. What a bore. Al Gore spoke. What a bore. Obama spoke...that nigga can SPEAK. Bill Clinton spoke...that motherfucka can speak. Important to at least acknowledge.

You couldn't be more wrong about Kerry or Gore this year. They both have improved their public speaking greatly after losing the handlers.

In fact I heard people this week say "If THAT Gore"....or "If THAT Kerry" had ran....I woulda...

[epo]

but did u think his "speech" in 08 or his presence was better than Obama's?

Totally unfair comparison. Barack Obama is a once in a generation political public speaker.

[GreatAmericanZero]

You couldn't be more wrong about Kerry or Gore this year. They both have improved their public speaking greatly after losing the handlers.

In fact I heard people this week say "If THAT Gore"....or "If THAT Kerry" had ran....I woulda...

still...their public speaking couldnt hold a candle to obama's public speaking

[BinaryBimbo]

Couldn't I just as easily say that the Palin pick is a gross overreaction to the invented media bullshit "PUMA" story as well?

It's an idiotic pick that completely negates the attack McCain had that had the best chance of sticking.


She will play well in Mantown though.

I really think it's a Harriet Myers pick.

Maybe even an Eagleton.

I half expect to see her Facebook party pics any minute now.

You know - the usual with the fire engines, a rubber suit, and a bag of oranges,

[HBox]

Nevermind. old article.

[JerseySean]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

These are two gigantic numbers that Obama will have to try and deal with. I dont know what the Wal-Mart numbers are as far as black to white, but I have to assume of that 22% for Obama, a nice chunk are black. Which means McCain's numbers amongst white Walmart shoppers are even stronger.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

These are two gigantic numbers that Obama will have to try and deal with. I dont know what the Wal-Mart numbers are as far as black to white, but I have to assume of that 22% for Obama, a nice chunk are black. Which means McCain's numbers amongst white Walmart shoppers are even stronger.

That's quite possibly the dumbest, meaningless, most subjective poll I've seen yet.

Once more, for all your polling needs, go here. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/)

[Jujubees2]

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews1547.html

The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain.

Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters.

These are two gigantic numbers that Obama will have to try and deal with. I dont know what the Wal-Mart numbers are as far as black to white, but I have to assume of that 22% for Obama, a nice chunk are black. Which means McCain's numbers amongst white Walmart shoppers are even stronger.

Wal-Mart shoppers. Anyone stupid enough to shop at Wal-Mart shouldn't be allowed to vote. They will complain about losing their jobs while they buy cheap crap made in China.

[HBox]

Zogby polls are pretty unreliable but Zogby interactive polls are probably the worst polls out right now. Gallup and Rasmussen have different results:

Link here. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844485)

Here's a finding from Gallup: Among Democratic women -- including those who may be disappointed that Hillary Clinton did not win the Democratic nomination -- 9% say Palin makes them more likely to support McCain, 15% less likely.

From Rasmussen: Some 38% of men said they were more likely to vote for McCain now, but only 32% of women. By a narrow 41% to 35% margin, men said she was not ready to be president -- but women soundly rejected her, 48% to 25%.

Only 9% of Obama supporters said they might be more likely to vote for McCain.

Overall, voters expressed a favorable impression of her by a 53/26 margin, but there was a severe gender gap on this: Men embraced her at 58% to 23%, while for women it was 48/30.

And by a 29/44 margin, men and women together, they do not believe that she is ready to be President.

As for voters not affiliated with either major party, 37% are more likely to vote for McCain and 28% less likely to do so.

Gallup is now out with its own initial poll. It also shows women with a slightly less favorable view of Palin. An excerpt from USA Today:

There is wide uncertainty about whether she's qualified to be president. In the poll, taken Friday, 39% say she is ready to serve as president if needed, 33% say she isn't and 29% have no opinion.

That's the lowest vote of confidence in a running mate since the elder George Bush chose then-Indiana senator Dan Quayle to join his ticket in 1988. In comparison, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden was seen as qualified by 57%-18% after Democrat Barack Obama chose him as a running mate last week.....

The caveat being that all of these polls are weekend polls which are typically more unreliable. This being Labor Day weekend makes them even more unreliable. Give it a couple weeks for both convention bounces to wear themselves out.

[JerseySean]

Wal-Mart shoppers. Anyone stupid enough to shop at Wal-Mart shouldn't be allowed to vote. They will complain about losing their jobs while they buy cheap crap made in China.

Yes, and they cling to guns and religion right?

[JerseySean]

Zogby polls are pretty unreliable but Zogby interactive polls are probably the worst polls out right now. Gallup and Rasmussen have different results:

Link here. (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1003844485)



The caveat being that all of these polls are weekend polls which are typically more unreliable. This being Labor Day weekend makes them even more unreliable. Give it a couple weeks for both convention bounces to wear themselves out.

I agree with you on tthe overall numbers, however, the Clinton number and the Walmart numbers are pretty glaring

[A.J.]

Oh come on. There are plenty of black politicians and women politicians with plenty of experience. Hell, there's a highly successful female Republican Governor who's more popular than Palin, has much more experience and was also considered and vetted to be McCain's VP.

Jodi Rell. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Jodi_Rell)

Of course she's also not young and attractive therefore making her marginally less appealing from political perspective which is the one and only thing McCain cares about at this point. That she is more than capable of being President today and Palin isn't is completely immaterial when a couple votes are at stake.

She had breast cancer recently so with McCain's own age and health an issue, that probably took her out of the running.

Plus she's from Connecticut which means she's not conservative enough.

[KnoxHarrington]

Well, it looks like Sarah Palin has a long history of using political pressure to punish people she doesn't like, all the way back to her days as mayor of Cicely, Alaska. She was the subject of a recall motion after she fired the town's librarian and police chief for not supporting her candidacy for mayor.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/11597/0342/569/581165

Wow, I really want a chick who did a shitty job as mayor of a tiny town that close to the Presidency.

Come on, McCain supporters, put actually giving a fuck about your country ahead of partisanship for a second. Should Sarah Palin really be this close to the Presidency?

[JerseySean]

Well, it looks like Sarah Palin has a long history of using political pressure to punish people she doesn't like, all the way back to her days as mayor of Cicely, Alaska. She was the subject of a recall motion after she fired the town's librarian and police chief for not supporting her candidacy for mayor.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/11597/0342/569/581165

Wow, I really want a chick who did a shitty job as mayor of a tiny town that close to the Presidency.

Come on, McCain supporters, put actually giving a fuck about your country ahead of partisanship for a second. Should Sarah Palin really be this close to the Presidency?

Look, nowhere in the country is someone that stupid. They got 60 signatures for a recall well short. Moreover, noone knows what happened there. Reform politicians fire people when they get elected. Who knows what she was tryinng to implement. Please dont use Daily Kos as a news site. Its just assinine

[JerseySean]

http://www.politickernj.com/files/images/BoltNA083008-700.img_assist_custom.jpg

[K.C.]

They got 60 signatures for a recall

Wow...that's like 65% of the Alaskan populations (excluding those filthy Eskimos).

[JerseySean]

Wow...that's like 65% of the Alaskan populations (excluding those filthy Eskimos).

From....Delaware? Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black

[Kevin]

From....Delaware? Isnt that the pot calling the kettle black



Delawere has Diablo "Ray Ramano" Sammich, so they are ok with me.

[epo]

TrooperGate from the locals:

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Who in the fuck vetted this person?

[K.C.]

Delawere has Diablo "Ray Ramano" Sammich, so they are ok with me.

And about 1/1000th of the land mass.

And an actual centralized population and government.

Explain to me how you executively govern 600,000 people spread over a land mass bigger than Texas.

Must be an awful lot of miles on the ol' dog sled.

[A.J.]

So I see Bush and Cheney are skipping the convention because of Hurricane Gustav. Maybe a little distance from them will be a good thing for McCain.

[epo]

Can we have an honest and frank discussion on something here? Can this ridiculous talking point of "Alaska is close to Russia so Governor Palin understands foreign policy" go the hell away. It's insulting. Seriously, listen to this:

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What would be so hard about saying, "Governor Palin doesn't have any foreign policy experience but that has been the historic challenge for a governor. Governor Clinton overcame it, Governor Reagan overcame it and we have confidence that Governor Palin will overcome it as well."

I just wish they would stop insulting us with this garbage.

[A.J.]

Can we have an honest and frank discussion on something here? Can this ridiculous talking point of "Alaska is close to Russia so Governor Palin understands foreign policy" go the hell away. It's insulting. Seriously, listen to this:

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What would be so hard about saying, "Governor Palin doesn't have any foreign policy experience but that has been the historic challenge for a governor. Governor Clinton overcame it, Governor Reagan overcame it and we have confidence that Governor Palin will overcome it as well."

I just wish they would stop insulting us with this garbage.

Especially since Canada is closer to Alaska than Russia.

And Governor Bush overcame it...even though Texas is close to Mexico. :tongue:

[Kevin]

And about 1/1000th of the land mass.

And an actual centralized population and government.

Explain to me how you executively govern 600,000 people spread over a land mass bigger than Texas.

Must be an awful lot of miles on the ol' dog sled.

Plus Delaware survives with having Fandick and his million law suites and restraining orders, so i think Biden is really prepared.

[Zorro]

TrooperGate from the locals:

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Who in the fuck vetted this person?

The real news in this story is that there's a black guy in Alaska...

[Zorro]

TrooperGate from the locals:

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Who in the fuck vetted this person?

Neil Kinnock?

[A.J.]

The real news in this story is that there's a black guy in Alaska...

You mean "The Alaskan Assassin", Trajan Langdon?

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/395973.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C9486774D6E33B3FE0646 284831B75F48EF45

[Kevin]

You mean "The Alaskan Assassin", Trajan Langdon?

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/395973.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193B3EA2C03450C9486774D6E33B3FE0646 284831B75F48EF45

And Carlos ' they are not saying BOOOOOOOOOO' But Boozer.

[JerseySean]

Neil Kinnock?

Is it me or is the Governor's staff a little too casually dressed? How about a dress code Governor? Guys, dont jumpo on this. Apparantly a pretty badass team of lawyers vetted her. My assumption is that there is something more to this story that can backfire on an attacker. Hence the reason that the DNC is silent on it.

[JerseySean]

Some State-by State polling data:

COLORADO (CNN/Time): McCain - 47%, Obama - 46%.
FLORIDA (Mason-Dixon): Obama - 45%, McCain - 44%.
NEVADA (CNN/Time): Obama - 49%, McCain - 44%.
NEW MEXICO (CNN/Time): Obama - 53%, McCain - 40%.
PENNSYLVANIA (CNN/Time): Obama - 48%, McCain - 43%.


I think Obama may be better off in Colorado than this poll says and I think McCain is better off in NV. Also, New Mexico seems high.

[Zorro]

Is it me or is the Governor's staff a little too casually dressed? How about a dress code Governor? Guys, dont jumpo on this. Apparantly a pretty badass team of lawyers vetted her. My assumption is that there is something more to this story that can backfire on an attacker. Hence the reason that the DNC is silent on it.

The trooper is accused of tasering his son...threatening his father in law and knocking around the wife...sounds like a hell of a guy...

[HBox]

The trooper is accused of tasering his son...threatening his father in law and knocking around the wife...sounds like a hell of a guy...

He's also in a bitter divorce and custody battle. As we all know serious accusations fly around like the wind in situations like that.

You'd think we'd all have enough of this kind of governance. Bush pulled this shit for eight years. He's finally getting killed for it. But here's a new face and the excuses start flying again. Do we really have to wait 6 years of awful government to call people out on this shit?

[scottinnj]

FLORIDA (Mason-Dixon): Obama - 45%, McCain - 44%.


It's going to go down to Florida and Ohio again this year. I make a motion we dissolve those two states from the Union.

[epo]

He's also in a bitter divorce and custody battle. As we all know serious accusations fly around like the wind in situations like that.

You'd think we'd all have enough of this kind of governance. Bush pulled this shit for eight years. He's finally getting killed for it. But here's a new face and the excuses start flying again. Do we really have to wait 6 years of awful government to call people out on this shit?

Josh Marshall has an interesting take on this today (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php). Let me just give you the money quote:

The available evidence now suggests that she 1) tried to have an ex-relative fired from his job for personal reasons, something that was clearly inappropriate, and perhaps illegal, though possibly understandable in human terms, 2) fired a state official for not himself acting inappropriately by firing the relative, 3) lied to the public about what happened and 4) continues to lie about what happened.

These are, to put it mildly, not the traits or temperament you want in someone who could hold the executive power of the federal government.

That's honestly logic that I can't argue with.

[JerseySean]

Josh Marshall has an interesting take on this today (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/211769.php). Let me just give you the money quote:



That's honestly logic that I can't argue with.

I have to assume there is nothing here or the DNC and Obama camp would be pounding it. It seems like a trap

[scottinnj]

I have to assume there is nothing here or the DNC and Obama camp would be pounding it. It seems like a trap

http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/Admiral-Ackbar-trap.jpg

They say if you stare into the vagina for a while, you see God.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The polls that count says that the pick of Palin - 60% of the time it works, every time.

[epo]

I have to assume there is nothing here or the DNC and Obama camp would be pounding it. It seems like a trap

I would bet the first problem with pounding it is that it's Sunday of Labor Day weekend AND Gustav is controlling the little original news programming there actually is today.

It doesn't seem like something to me that you lead with anyway. Let the media run with it and see if it has legs. Then I would turn it into a point of reference in a larger talking point. So for example:

"Senator McCain isn't displaying the type of judgment that we need from a Commander-in-Chief. He's selected a fresh governor of a small state who has no foreign policy experience and seems to have many inconsistencies in her record. On top of that she seems to have ethical issues as have been exhibited by this "TrooperGate" scandal and her dealings with Jack Abramhoff. The American people have seen this type of government for the past 8 years and they are ready to move on."

[JerseySean]

I would bet the first problem with pounding it is that it's Sunday of Labor Day weekend AND Gustav is controlling the little original news programming there actually is today.

It doesn't seem like something to me that you lead with anyway. Let the media run with it and see if it has legs. Then I would turn it into a point of reference in a larger talking point. So for example:

"Senator McCain isn't displaying the type of judgment that we need from a Commander-in-Chief. He's selected a fresh governor of a small state who has no foreign policy experience and seems to have many inconsistencies in her record. On top of that she seems to have ethical issues as have been exhibited by this "TrooperGate" scandal and her dealings with Jack Abramhoff. The American people have seen this type of government for the past 8 years and they are ready to move on."

You cant put that in the hands of the media leading up to the convention. Its a cliche but its tru, you need to define your opponent before he/she defines himself. The Abramoff thing is a non issue. You shouldnt make that claim.

[epo]

You cant put that in the hands of the media leading up to the convention. Its a cliche but its tru, you need to define your opponent before he/she defines himself. The Abramoff thing is a non issue. You shouldnt make that claim.

Watching the Obama campaign and the manner in which they deal with stories like this, the one thing I'll say is that they are overly cautious. They run EVERYTHING through new media (blogs) first and let them do the dirty work on the front end because it goes to old media (TV, print).

Two great examples of that are the Hillary Clinton Bosnia story (which turned out to be true) and the ridiculous Palin pregnancy story (which thankfully is false). In both cases the Obama campaign never "touched" either story and let the netroots seem like the heroes or the assholes.

I'm sure they are running this through the same process. Honestly its a smart approach for the campaign and very savvy in this new age of media.

As for the Abramhoff example you may be right that it may not work, but I was just throwing it out there as an exhibit of how the DNC could frame this in a larger context. This way it could mean something, rather than only be about this lunatic cop which is NOT a winner.

[Jujubees2]

Oh no, Palin's a flip flopper

Palin flipped on Alaska’s ‘Bridge to Nowhere’ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26486063/)

[JerseySean]

Watching the Obama campaign and the manner in which they deal with stories like this, the one thing I'll say is that they are overly cautious. They run EVERYTHING through new media (blogs) first and let them do the dirty work on the front end because it goes to old media (TV, print).

Two great examples of that are the Hillary Clinton Bosnia story (which turned out to be true) and the ridiculous Palin pregnancy story (which thankfully is false). In both cases the Obama campaign never "touched" either story and let the netroots seem like the heroes or the assholes.

I'm sure they are running this through the same process. Honestly its a smart approach for the campaign and very savvy in this new age of media.

As for the Abramhoff example you may be right that it may not work, but I was just throwing it out there as an exhibit of how the DNC could frame this in a larger context. This way it could mean something, rather than only be about this lunatic cop which is NOT a winner.

I concede that but the media would never run with that. In this age, TV ads dont mean as much. Here is somehting to watch this week:

the GOP convention is in shambles. McCain is headed south with Palin. He will have a federal govt which will let him play a stong public role if he wants it. He will have 5 GOP Governors in the region. Barbour, MS, Jindal, LA, Crist, FL, Riley, AL, Perry TX. All of these guys will that McCain and Palin for their efforts. Do not be fooled. There will be a strong disaster management effort and the political effort behind it will be all centered at McCain Palin. These people are prepared this time. McCain will reap the benefits.

Now if something gets fucked up the GOP will be destroyed this yea top to bottom. This disaster is a high stakes event.

[Friday]

hey!
epo took JerseySean off ignore!
:innocent:

[NewYorkDragons80]

Epo, the only one of those guys I looked forward to seeing was Jindal. If he can mosey away from exorcisms, I think the guy has a good future.

[disneyspy]

why did my new posts say IGNORE?:dry:

[epo]

I concede that but the media would never run with that. In this age, TV ads dont mean as much. Here is somehting to watch this week:

the GOP convention is in shambles. McCain is headed south with Palin. He will have a federal govt which will let him play a stong public role if he wants it. He will have 5 GOP Governors in the region. Barbour, MS, Jindal, LA, Crist, FL, Riley, AL, Perry TX. All of these guys will that McCain and Palin for their efforts. Do not be fooled. There will be a strong disaster management effort and the political effort behind it will be all centered at McCain Palin. These people are prepared this time. McCain will reap the benefits.

Now if something gets fucked up the GOP will be destroyed this yea top to bottom. This disaster is a high stakes event.

The media wouldn't run with TrooperGate if it's good? Come on, you know better than that....

As for Gustav, I hope they don't play politics with it and just help the areas that are effected by the storm. Hell if Bush wanted to help save a bit of face he could invite both the McCain & Obama people in to observe to see how the operation works. It might allow him to help clean a bit of his Katrina legacy.

[epo]

Epo, the only one of those guys I looked forward to seeing was Jindal. If he can mosey away from exorcisms, I think the guy has a good future.

Jindal is definitely a unique guy. An ethnic background, obviously way bright and very talented. The exorcism thing is way creepy though. I dont' know if he'll ever get over that on the national stage. Your thoughts?

[HBox]

Epo, the only one of those guys I looked forward to seeing was Jindal. If he can mosey away from exorcisms, I think the guy has a good future.

As horrible as it is he has a tremendous chance to make a name for himself over the next few days. He seems to be doing well so far and unlike a lot of things politicians make a name over, he'll have earned this one.

[JerseySean]

Jindal is definitely a unique guy. An ethnic background, obviously way bright and very talented. The exorcism thing is way creepy though. I dont' know if he'll ever get over that on the national stage. Your thoughts?

I know a lot of the Jindal people and Ive been close to that scene. Im just not his number 1 fan. although imagine if McCain would have picked him. This would have almost sealed it. Funny how this stuff works out

[JerseySean]

The media wouldn't run with TrooperGate if it's good? .

NO I meant the Abromoff

[HBox]

The media wouldn't run with TrooperGate if it's good? Come on, you know better than that....

As for Gustav, I hope they don't play politics with it and just help the areas that are effected by the storm. Hell if Bush wanted to help save a bit of face he could invite both the McCain & Obama people in to observe to see how the operation works. It might allow him to help clean a bit of his Katrina legacy.

They already started playing politics with this. McCain and Palin were down there today. That looks good politically but when you have authorities attempting to evacuate the whole gulf coast they shouldn't have to spare any men to protect a presidential candidate.

And there's been talk of McCain doing his acceptance speech from the disaster area.

Frankly neither one of them have any business there. This is up to state, local and federal authorities. Bush has more business down there than either McCain or Obama. If McCain and Obama want to help wait a few days to get an idea of what's going on, stop campaigning and get into the Senate and pass some disaster relief. That's as much as they should do. Anything else is just distracting everyone who should be working on preparation/recovery.

[JerseySean]

They already started playing politics with this. McCain and Palin were down there today. That looks good politically but when you have authorities attempting to evacuate the whole gulf coast they shouldn't have to spare any men to protect a presidential candidate.

And there's been talk of McCain doing his acceptance speech from the disaster area.

Frankly neither one of them have any business there. This is up to state, local and federal authorities. Bush has more business down there than either McCain or Obama. If McCain and Obama want to help wait a few days to get an idea of what's going on, stop campaigning and get into the Senate and pass some disaster relief. That's as much as they should do. Anything else is just distracting everyone who should be working on preparation/recovery.

If they can orchestrate this properly, the souther GOP governors will out McCain over as well as FEMA. Trust me when I say, they will play politics with this, and they will do it with kid gloves. Lets see how it unfolds.

[HBox]

Oh for the love of...........

Are you offended by the phrase “Under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance? Why or why not?

Sarah Palin: Not on your life. If it was good enough for the founding fathers, its good enough for me and I’ll fight in defense of our Pledge of Allegiance.

Link here. (http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html)

Oh, forgot this gold........

In relationship to families, what are your top three priorities if elected governor?

Sarah Palin: 1. Creating an atmosphere where parents feel welcome to choose the venues of education for their children.
2. Preserving the definition of “marriage” as defined in our constitution.
3. Cracking down on the things that harm family life: gangs, drug use, and infringement of our liberties including attacks on our 2nd Amendment rights.

Just to clarify, this dunce thinks no vouchers and gay marriages are bigger threats to families than drugs abuse and gangs. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS.

[epo]

Oh for the love of...........

Link here. (http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html)

I love a good lack of understanding of history from my politicians.

[HBox]

Apparently the vetting of Sarah Palin has begun. (http://www.andrewhalcro.com/vetting_the_veep_post_announcement)

More here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/mccain-camp-didnt-search_n_122823.html)

This is just laughable. It's entirely possible that right now the Obama campaign knows more about Palin's background than the McCain campaign.

[scottinnj]

It would be hysterical if she wasn't a natural born citizen and a muslim.

I would loff and loff.

[Tenbatsuzen]

[color=navy][size=2]Just to clarify, this dunce thinks no vouchers and gay marriages are bigger threats to families than drugs abuse and gangs. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS.

There are gangs in Alaska?

[HBox]

There are gangs in Alaska?

Apparently Palin thinks so but they just aren't that big of deal.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Apparently Palin thinks so but they just aren't that big of deal.

Here's my question...

How hard would it be for McCain to extract himself from her if he had to?

[DiabloSammich]

Here's my question...

How hard would it be for McCain to extract himself from her if he had to?


Christ, would that be a disaster.

[HBox]

Here's my question...

How hard would it be for McCain to extract himself from her if he had to?

That did happen before. May have had a subtle effect. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Eagleton)

[Tenbatsuzen]

Christ, would that be a disaster.

Unless she pulls out "for the sake of my son. Trig. Who has Down's Syndrome."

[KnoxHarrington]

OK, the Pledge of Allegiance thing has already been mentioned here, so just let me say she's a stupid douche

[JerseySean]

Apparently the vetting of Sarah Palin has begun. (http://www.andrewhalcro.com/vetting_the_veep_post_announcement)

More here. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/31/mccain-camp-didnt-search_n_122823.html)

This is just laughable. It's entirely possible that right now the Obama campaign knows more about Palin's background than the McCain campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002377_pf.html

Culverhouse is one of the best attorneys in the country...stop your wishful thinking. If anything those staffers are up there to help set up a strategy on how to counter potential attacks and get personal info about people Palin helped, teachers, etc for the bio roll out.

[JerseySean]

I love a good lack of understanding of history from my politicians.

I think she meant that as referencing God was fine for the Founders. I highly doubt she doesnt know the history of the pledge. Relax guys, let it unfold, stop with the Kososphere wishful thinking here and be rational.

[JerseySean]

Oh for the love of...........



Link here. (http://eagleforumalaska.blogspot.com/2006/07/2006-gubernatorial-candidate.html)

Oh, forgot this gold........



Just to clarify, this dunce thinks no vouchers and gay marriages are bigger threats to families than drugs abuse and gangs. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS. DRUG ABUSE AND GANGS.

Stop it!!! Did she rank them or mention them one after the other. Holy fuck, this is like reading a Randi Rhodes transcript.

[HBox]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002377_pf.html

Culverhouse is one of the best attorneys in the country...stop your wishful thinking. If anything those staffers are up there to help set up a strategy on how to counter potential attacks and get personal info about people Palin helped, teachers, etc for the bio roll out.

Click on this link and educate yourself son. (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/theres_a_lawyer_vet_then_there.php)

[JerseySean]

Click on this link and educate yourself son. (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/08/theres_a_lawyer_vet_then_there.php)

http://www.frontiersman.com/archives/

Educate yourself son

[HBox]

http://www.frontiersman.com/archives/

Educate yourself son

You really need to learn to read comprehensively and to the end. I'll help you out.

Your Reader P is the one who has it wrong in the 31 Aug 2008 08:41 pm post titled "There's A Lawyer Vet, Then There's A Political Vet." Those online archive for the Valley Frontiersman are extremely incomplete and even what they do have only goes back to 1998, from which they have a single article available (there's only 3 articles available for all of 2000 that mention Palin, for that matter). However, Palin became mayor in 1996 and served on the city council from 1992 to 1996. That's especially important because a lot of the potentially interesting things happened immediately or soon after she assumed office as mayor (ie, demanding the resignation of various city officials, etc). I don't see how there's any way Google can make up for an actual trip to the archives here.

[Dudeman]

Everyone needs to just submit... JerseySean will turn all of you into pro-life Creationists

[JerseySean]

Here is an article from 1998 that I pulled in 45 seconds. Huffington Post blows.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/1998/11/13/opinion.txt

[JerseySean]

Everyone needs to just submit... JerseySean will turn all of you into pro-life Creationists

I am pro-life and I am not a creationist. I think God created the earth, but I share Palin's MODERATE belief on the issue which is that God created the earth, therefore created evolution.

[HBox]

Here is an article from 1998 that I pulled in 45 seconds. Huffington Post blows.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/1998/11/13/opinion.txt

Oh my god. Just tell me the truth. Are you a board character created to make me pull all of my hair out? Just admit it. You are, and that's what this is all about.

[scottinnj]

Here is an article from 1998 that I pulled in 45 seconds. Huffington Post blows.

http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/1998/11/13/opinion.txt

What, she cleaned up a skate park?

[JerseySean]

You really need to learn to read comprehensively and to the end. I'll help you out.

All of that stuff very well could have been in the library of congress archives as well. Dude I am telling you these guys wouldnt have let that go. If you want to spend energy thinking you know more than a 3k per hour lawyer, feel free but trust me, theyve done it.

[HBox]

All of that stuff very well could have been in the library of congress archives as well. Dude I am telling you these guys wouldnt have let that go. If you want to spend energy thinking you know more than a 3k per hour lawyer, feel free but trust me, theyve done it.

OH MY FUCKING GOD!

A political vet -- one done by political researchers -- is entirely separate and equally as important. Political attacks often hurt as much, if not more than, long-ago put-to-bed legal troubles.

FOR YOUR OWN SAKE STOP POSTING.

[JerseySean]

Dick, AB Culvahouse was cheif council to Ronald Reagan during Iran Contra. He was a political attorney for years. You dont think this guy WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS INFO. Doi you really think this guy is some idiot who just looked into public records. Use common sense.

[JerseySean]

Dick, AB Culvahouse was cheif council to Ronald Reagan during Iran Contra. He was a political attorney for years. You dont think this guy WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THIS INFO. Doi you really think this guy is some idiot who just looked into public records. Use common sense.

And I typed and formed the above post with angry tying guy fingers. Scary the insanity. Do you really think there were no political people going over this stuff aside from Culvahouse. Come on bro, your wasting your energy on this.

[HBox]

That's it. I have to put you on ignore or I'm going to have a fucking heart attack. The stupidity displayed here has left me speechless.

[JerseySean]

That's it. I have to put you on ignore or I'm going to have a fucking heart attack. The stupidity displayed here has left me speechless.

How is that stupidity. Explain yourself. No way can you be so naive to believe that she wasnt vetted properly.

[NewYorkDragons80]

Jindal is definitely a unique guy. An ethnic background, obviously way bright and very talented. The exorcism thing is way creepy though. I dont' know if he'll ever get over that on the national stage. Your thoughts?
The guy isn't Bush and he's Catholic. If he was a snake-handler, people would be a little more freaked out. I mean Bob Barr was complicit in his wife's abortion and he's supposedly gonna be the guy who siphons of votes from McCain because Barr is the "real" conservative.

I am impressed by his frankness on his conversion to Catholicism.
“My parents have never truly accepted my conversion and still see my faith as a negative that overshadows my accomplishments. They were hurt and felt I was rejecting them by accepting Christianity.” According to Jindal, his parents resorted to “ethnic loyalty” to counter his new faith.
What second-generation immigrant couldn't relate to a guy like that on a secular level? I don't know where he stands on McCain-Kennedy, but he has the potential to even out the Latino vote.

[AKA]

Palin Was a Director of Embattled Sen. Stevens's 527 Group (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/01/palin_was_a_director_of_embatt.html?hpid=topnews)

So much for being a crusader - I guess she has to fight crime from the inside.

[K.C.]

Wow!

Just saw my first instance of a McCain surrogate trying to explain why they can criticize Obama's experience, and yet put Palin a step away from the Presidency.

They have NO answer...absolutely none.

[thejives]

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[QUOTE=PapaBear;1843173]Who's that?

Geena Davis if her daddy had a drunk brother.

I have no proof that it's Palin. So I'll say it's Tina Fey.

[thejives]

Wow!

Just saw my first instance of a McCain surrogate trying to explain why they can criticize Obama's experience, and yet put Palin a step away from the Presidency.

They have NO answer...absolutely none.

Where did you see this?
Is it on youtube yet?

[ChrisTheCop]

[QUOTE=thejives;1843092]
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I have no proof that it's Palin. So I'll say it's Tina Fey.

Theres a glass of wine within her reach!

She's a drinker!!! She's a drinker!!!! OoHHHHHHHH!! This is gonna hurt McCain BAD!!!!

[K.C.]

Where did you see this?
Is it on youtube yet?

Just on CNN.

Basically their response was, 'Well, she was commander-in-chief of the Alaskan National Guard.'

At which point the interviewer (Campbell Brown) asked the guy to name one decision Palin made involving the Alaskan National Guard.


The guy couldn't answer, and basically dismissed it, repeating over and over that she has executive experience.


Came off very bad.

[thejives]

Theres a glass of wine within her reach!

She's a drinker!!! She's a drinker!!!! OoHHHHHHHH!! This is gonna hurt McCain BAD!!!!

Please. If this is how all red sox fans act, I'm going to have to rethink my support for that team.

[ChrisTheCop]

Please. If this is how all red sox fans act, I'm going to have to rethink my support for that team.

learn how to quote or dont try at all.

edit--quick fingers, i'll give ya that.

[thejives]

edit--quick fingers, i'll give ya that.

If only I had a nickle for every time a cop told me that.

[HBox]

Sarah Palin has been involved with the Alaska Independence Party, a group pushing for Alaskan secession. (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/the_alaska_independence_party.php)

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