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OGC

09-01-2008, 04:47 PM

Wow!

Just saw my first instance of a McCain surrogate trying to explain why they can criticize Obama's experience, and yet put Palin a step away from the Presidency.

They have NO answer...absolutely none.

I'll agree that she has little experience, but the little she does have puts her ahead of Obama.

And besides, there is a big difference between being the president and being one step away from the presidency. Most of the time the V.P. does next to nothing for four years. Try to remember anything that Cheney, Gore, Quayle, or Bush 1 did as V.P. that really made a difference.

epo

09-01-2008, 04:48 PM

I'll agree that she has little experience, but the little she does have puts her ahead of Obama.

And besides, there is a big difference between being the president and being one step away from the presidency. Most of the time the V.P. does next to nothing for four years. Try to remember anything that Cheney, Gore, Quayle, or Bush 1 did as V.P. that really made a difference.

Sorry, I gotta challenge you here. How in the fuck in Sarah Palin have more experience than Senator Obama?

:huh:

HBox

09-01-2008, 04:50 PM

I'll agree that she has little experience, but the little she does have puts her ahead of Obama.

I can't believe there is actually someone who is buying that.

GreatAmericanZero

09-01-2008, 04:53 PM

abc news:

Officials of the Alaskan Independence Party say that Palin was once so independent, she was once a member of their party, which, since the 1970s, has been pushing for a legal vote for Alaskans to decide whether or not residents of the 49th state can secede from the United States.

And while McCain's motto -- as seen in a new TV ad -- is "Country First," the AIP's motto is the exact opposite -- "Alaska First -- Alaska Always."

i think they misread McCain's motto..its not "country first", its "CUNTy First", as in its all about this chick

Dudeman

09-01-2008, 04:55 PM

I can't believe there is actually someone who is buying that.

i cant believe people voted for george w bush

epo

09-01-2008, 04:59 PM

i cant believe people voted for george w bush

I can:

http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/lindstrom/morons.jpg

Kevin

09-01-2008, 05:05 PM

I can:

http://www.nazi.org/community/columns/lindstrom/morons.jpg

That is uncalled for, leave MidwestJeff out of this.

paulisded

09-01-2008, 05:15 PM

Try to remember anything that Cheney, Gore, Quayle, or Bush 1 did as V.P. that really made a difference.

Really?

GreatAmericanZero

09-01-2008, 05:27 PM

hammersavage

09-01-2008, 05:28 PM

Really?

At the very least, he shot some old prick, give him that.

HBox

09-01-2008, 05:28 PM

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 05:31 PM

since 2000, VPs do matter a lot. That is the way it is in the modern political age. Before that, maybe it didn't matter so much.

I think its because we get info so fast that we have more time to study the ticket as a whole then just focusing on the two men running

Since 92 really. Clinton used Gore in a non-sexy but important variety of ways. One of them was to cut red tape. There was a commission, etc. Obviously Cheney has a huge role in the Bush Administration.

K.C.

09-01-2008, 05:31 PM

Ouch. This is worse than that jackass who Matthews humiliated when he could name one of Obama's accomplishments because this guy is McCain's campaign spokesman. He's the one who is supposed to tell everyone else how to answer these questions.

That's the clip I was talking about earlier.

Just brutal.

But the McCain surrogate on Larry King Live right now is 100 times worse.

Apparently, Sarah Palin is qualified because "she's tough, because she sold the former governor of Alaska's private plane on EBay"

I couldn't make this shit up.

This is turning into a huge disaster.

mikeyboy

09-01-2008, 05:35 PM

That's the clip I was talking about earlier.

Just brutal.

But the McCain surrogate on Larry King Live right now is 100 times worse.

Apparently, Sarah Palin is qualified because "she's tough, because she sold the former governor of Alaska's private plane on EBay"

I couldn't make this shit up.

This is turning into a huge disaster.

It's entertaining as hell though.

brettmojo

09-01-2008, 05:38 PM

K.C.

09-01-2008, 05:41 PM

It's entertaining as hell though.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

This has been fantastic to watch.

HBox

09-01-2008, 05:43 PM

Sinestro

09-01-2008, 05:45 PM

HBox

09-01-2008, 05:51 PM

Republicans may NOT have dodged a bullet. David Gregory just reported that Bush is tentatively set to address the RNC tomorrow at 10pm from the White House.

K.C.

09-01-2008, 05:51 PM

Republicans may NOT have dodged a bullet. David Gregory just reported that Bush is tentatively set to address the RNC tomorrow at 10pm from the White House.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

Worst.Campaign.Ever.

paulisded

09-01-2008, 05:59 PM

Friday

09-01-2008, 06:03 PM

i knew day one events were being curtailed... but i had no idea there would be NO coverage today.
i wonder if this is being taken as a day lost or if they will go till friday.

scottinnj

09-01-2008, 06:06 PM

Not to be racist or anything.............

That doesn't make you a bad person.

epo

09-01-2008, 06:09 PM

i knew day one events were being curtailed... but i had no idea there would be NO coverage today.
i wonder if this is being taken as a day lost or if they will go till friday.

I would guess that they will just consider it a day long. They still had the "convention" today, but only did the things that are legally required of them.

Plus the logistics of adding another day would be a freaking nightmare.

Friday

09-01-2008, 06:09 PM

That doesn't make you a bad person.

it doesn't?? http://www.wackbag.com/images/smilies/kopfkratz.gif

epo

09-01-2008, 06:11 PM

Apparently James Carville was just on CNN. Someone started talkinga bout Palin's mayoral experience. So he pulls out a picture of Wasilla city hall and says "This looks like a bait shop!"

I NEED to see this video. if someone finds it please post. I'm cracking up at the thought of it.

This is a version from earlier. I'm sure that they recycled it after though so they show Carville with the photo:

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HBox

09-01-2008, 06:23 PM

K.C.

09-01-2008, 06:33 PM

While that's hilarious...and it really is...I have to say that pretty much all the shit was going on during the DNC, too.

That's kind of a hatchet job by ABC.

epo

09-01-2008, 06:36 PM

While that's hilarious...and it really is...I have to say that pretty much all the shit was going on during the DNC, too.

That's kind of a hatchet job by ABC.

Total hatchet job. Those conventions are the only sure unregulated place on this planet. The stories that come out of them are ridiculous.

Free drinks, shrimp the size of your head and other much, much better stuff...............

K.C.

09-01-2008, 06:37 PM

Total hatchet job. Those conventions are the only sure unregulated place on this planet. The stories that come out of them are ridiculous.

Free drinks, shrimp the size of your head and other much, much better stuff...............

I was at the 2000 one as a youngin'

I've seen it first hand. It's like one giant five day bribe.

Tenbatsuzen

09-01-2008, 06:39 PM

While that's hilarious...and it really is...I have to say that pretty much all the shit was going on during the DNC, too.

That's kind of a hatchet job by ABC.

Truth. Here's the problem - all of this was pre-planned. You either do it, or you lose the money.

That Schuster thing was a COMPLETE FRIGGING HATCHET JOB. The dude was hanging out at an outside table talking to six people while having drinks. What do you want him to do? GO down to NOLA and put up sandbags? Jesus.

Tenbatsuzen

09-01-2008, 06:39 PM

Free drinks, shrimp the size of your head and other much, much better stuff...............

Hot teen sex?

Sinestro

09-01-2008, 06:41 PM

I wonder where the stripper party was at?

epo

09-01-2008, 06:41 PM

Hot teen sex?

That's only for the SUPERdelegates.

K.C.

09-01-2008, 06:42 PM

I wonder where the stripper party was at?

They usually do a pretty good job of hiding those.

And given that several of the lobbyist groups chartered boats, I'd bet they were there with restricted access.

HBox

09-01-2008, 06:43 PM

While that's hilarious...and it really is...I have to say that pretty much all the shit was going on during the DNC, too.

That's kind of a hatchet job by ABC.

Apparently they did do a DNC story like this except there obviously was no hurricane angle.

But that story looks absolutely brutal on the surface.

scottinnj

09-01-2008, 06:45 PM

it doesn't?? http://www.wackbag.com/images/smilies/kopfkratz.gif

No, it makes you the co-host of the morning show on XM 202.

(see how I turned that into a funny?)

Sinestro

09-01-2008, 06:46 PM

Any pics of Cindy McCain?

HookersandBlow

09-01-2008, 07:01 PM

HEY WHERE ARE MY REPUBLICANS AT? ITS TIME TO PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE DO COCAINE!

TheMojoPin

09-01-2008, 07:15 PM

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5323/cityhalltf5.jpg

epo

09-01-2008, 07:16 PM

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5323/cityhalltf5.jpg

Carville may be an asshole, but sometimes I'll admit that the man cracks me up.

GreatAmericanZero

09-01-2008, 07:17 PM

it does look like a "stop 'n shop". I could pick up some cigarettes and a slushee

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 07:23 PM

Now democrats are anti-small town??
Isnt that where Carville allegedly tries to be from?
Was Hope AK much bigger?

These are real questions, I know y'all have the answers.

Dude!

09-01-2008, 07:25 PM

i have a strong hunch that all this palin bashing by MEN is going to backfire
remember when hillary cried in new hamshire the women rallied round her

women seem to be very very intolerant of men who are dismissive of women
they don't seem to like ganging up or piling on

time will have to sort this out
but i think this palin thing is going to affect the election in unexpected ways

this is the first election i can vote in
and i cant imagine any election will ever be as interesting

epo

09-01-2008, 07:25 PM

Now democrats are anti-small town??
Isnt that where Carville allegedly tries to be from?
Was Hope AK much bigger?

These are real questions, I know y'all have the answers.

Carville is just being an asshole and using hyperbole to point out how insignificant running the town of Wasila, Alaska is.

epo

09-01-2008, 07:26 PM

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 07:27 PM

Now democrats are anti-small town??
Isnt that where Carville allegedly tries to be from?
Was Hope AK much bigger?

These are real questions, I know y'all have the answers.

Agreed. And this is where the Dems will lose this argument. most people in America, live in small towns. And they go to PTA meetings and the hunt and the fish and many have little businesses. Many of them like their local councilperson. Many want to see people like themselves succeed. Or as Obama would say, cling to their guns and religion, blah blah blah...Pass the arugula.

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 07:28 PM

Carville is just being an asshole and using hyperbole to point out how insignificant running the town of Wasila, Alaska is.

Yea but while I never agree with Carville, HE IS THE FUCKING GREATEST!

GreatAmericanZero

09-01-2008, 07:30 PM

Now democrats are anti-small town??
Isnt that where Carville allegedly tries to be from?
Was Hope AK much bigger?

These are real questions, I know y'all have the answers.

There is a country bigger then the united states inbetween where she lives and where most of the people in the country she may run lives. Thats fucked up when you think about it...you can't go in a car and drive 4 hours to civilization

also demcorats are goofing on the small hayseed town because the VP candidate of the republicans is from there and every one else seems to be from civilization. Why wouldn't you make fun of whats weird and different about the other side you're running against?

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 07:33 PM

There is a country bigger then the united states inbetween where she lives and where most of the people in the country she may run lives. Thats fucked up when you think about it...you can't go in a car and drive 4 hours to civilization

also demcorats are goofing on the small hayseed town because the VP candidate of the republicans is from there and every one else seems to be from civilization. Why wouldn't you make fun of whats weird and different about the other side you're running against?

Ummmm, gee well because it is not just Democrats from NYC< San Fran and Austin voting in this election and many if not most Americans share -her values.

thejives

09-01-2008, 07:35 PM

Was Hope AK much bigger?

Hope Alaska?

scottinnj

09-01-2008, 07:36 PM

Except 1996. That one was boring as hell.

Yep, I had a front seat to that one. I kept hoping Dole would call himself "I" or "me" instead of always being third-person. That would have been a front page news item.

GreatAmericanZero

09-01-2008, 07:36 PM

Ummmm, gee well because it is not just Democrats from NYC< San Fran and Austin voting in this election and many if not most Americans share -her values.

that has absolutely nothing to do with the points i was responding to...why would i care how other people who aren't me are voting?

epo

09-01-2008, 07:37 PM

Agreed. And this is where the Dems will lose this argument. most people in America, live in small towns. And they go to PTA meetings and the hunt and the fish and many have little businesses. Many of them like their local councilperson. Many want to see people like themselves succeed. Or as Obama would say, cling to their guns and religion, blah blah blah...Pass the arugula.

Ahhh grasshopper your error in argument:

You complain about a political factor different than yours mocking a segment of the population and the way they live.

Then you mock a segment of population with something they like to eat.

You have rendered your own point useless.

epo

09-01-2008, 07:39 PM

Yep, I had a front seat to that one. I kept hoping Dole would call himself "I" or "me" instead of always being third-person. That would have been a front page news item.

I was hoping he would've killed a man with that pen. That woulda added some needed sizzle to the election!

HBox

09-01-2008, 07:40 PM

While I'm sure that most small towners love their town and elected officials, and don't think they are comfortable with their mayors being President.

But hey, if you think so little of small town people that you think they just vote for people they like instead of paying attention and voting on the issues, well, I guess that just means Republicans think America is stupid.

Do you now see how enraging and pointless this kind of demagoguery is? Just quit it.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 07:41 PM

Hope Alaska?

....yes. that is exactly where i meant. ....of course.
ummm...why? Is there another Hope? .......oh...well...as long as you mention it!
what about a Hope in say.....ummm....AR??? heh heh. heh heh.:wallbash:

thejives

09-01-2008, 07:43 PM

....yes. that is exactly where i meant. ....of course.
ummm...why? Is there another Hope? .......oh...well...as long as you mention it!
what about a Hope in say.....ummm....AR??? heh heh. heh heh.:wallbash:

Hey, that's ok budday.

You've had a long day of protecting Bristol Palin's honor.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 07:43 PM

Do you now see how enraging and pointless this kind of demagoguery is? Just quit it.

I enjoy the discussers in here. (Bush taught me that word)
I dislike the ones who have an opinion and thats all theyll ever hear.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 07:44 PM

Hey, that's ok budday.

You've had a long day of protecting Bristol Palin's honor.

Someone had to. Ya know Mom wasnt gonna do it.

HBox

09-01-2008, 07:48 PM

I enjoy the discussers in here. (Bush taught me that word)
I dislike the ones who have an opinion and thats all theyll ever hear.

That wasn't addressed at you BTW. It was addressed to the guy with the arugula comment.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 07:50 PM

That wasn't addressed at you BTW. It was addressed to the guy with the arugula comment.

Understood. However, so many of your posts are intelligent and informative. The condescending ones are usually just disappointing to your fans.

K.C.

09-01-2008, 07:52 PM

Ummmm, gee well because it is not just Democrats from NYC< San Fran and Austin voting in this election and many if not most Americans share -her values.

Do they????????

Most Americans are pro-choice in polling, most Americans favor a living wage, most Americans are against the war in Iraq...

TheMojoPin

09-01-2008, 07:54 PM

Tenbatsuzen

09-01-2008, 07:55 PM

Now democrats are anti-small town??
Isnt that where Carville allegedly tries to be from?
Was Hope AK much bigger?

These are real questions, I know y'all have the answers.

Clinton had 14 years of experience as Governor of AR - AK is Alaska. Palin has had less than 2 years.

HBox

09-01-2008, 07:56 PM

Understood. However, so many of your posts are intelligent and informative. The condescending ones are usually just disappointing to your fans.

Well that's how I feel when people coastal elite bullshit. I was just trying to turn it around on him. Anyone who goes around acting like they have a grasp on America and is going to educate the rest of us elitists who have no idea just gets me.

KnoxHarrington

09-01-2008, 07:57 PM

Do they????????

Most Americans are pro-choice in polling, most Americans favor a living wage, most Americans are against the war in Iraq...

I direct you to this analysis by 538.com (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-compassionate-conservative.html) of what polling shows about how Palin's views on some key issues match up to what polls show most voters think. 5 issues are broken down, and Palin is shown to be well outside the mainstream on most of them.

Ritalin

09-01-2008, 07:57 PM

Fuck it, I'll say it...I hate small towns and people that choose to live in them.

Congratulations...you want to hide from the rest of the world. I hate you and your tiny worldview and your misinformed bullshit that's so removed from any kind of reality.

Fuck small towns.

Give the man a Demon Dog!

I hate how people from small towns call anything they don't like "different".

"Well, that's different."

Like experiencing something outside your realm of experience would automatically be bad. Goddamn hicks.

thejives

09-01-2008, 07:58 PM

Fuck it, I'll say it...I hate small towns and people that choose to live in them.

Fuck small towns.

http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/artists/images/mellencamp.jpg
whu?

epo

09-01-2008, 07:59 PM

Clinton had 14 years of experience as Governor of AR - AK is Alaska. Palin has had less than 2 years.

I'll avoid the "small talk" too. The think I'm least impressed about is her talk of "fiscal discipline".

Christ....it's pretty goddamned easy to be fiscally disciplined when you are getting $1.83 from the federal government for every $1 you send in taxes (http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm). You wanna see discipline, call Governor Corzine who is getting 65 cents on the dollar.

Bridge to Nowhere.....fuck you!

HBox

09-01-2008, 07:59 PM

Fuck it, I'll say it...I hate small towns and people that choose to live in them.

Congratulations...you want to hide from the rest of the world. I hate you and your tiny worldview and your misinformed bullshit that's so removed from any kind of reality.

Fuck small towns.

Hey! I was BORN in a small town.

I BREATHE in a small town.

I'll probably DIE in a small town.

And that's probably where they'll BURY me.

K.C.

09-01-2008, 08:00 PM

I direct you to this analysis by 538.com (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-compassionate-conservative.html) of what polling shows about how Palin's views on some key issues match up to what polls show most voters think. 5 issues are broken down, and Palin is shown to be well outside the mainstream on most of them.

Thanks for posting that.

The only issue I could think of definitively that 'most Americans' probably agree with her on, is gay marriage.

thejives

09-01-2008, 08:01 PM

And that's probably where they'll BURY me.

Bury you?
We'll be lucky to find the body.

brettmojo

09-01-2008, 08:02 PM

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 08:03 PM

I'll avoid the "small talk" too. The think I'm least impressed about is her talk of "fiscal discipline".

Christ....it's pretty goddamned easy to be fiscally disciplined when you are getting $1.83 from the federal government for every $1 you send in taxes (http://www.nemw.org/fundsrank.htm). You wanna see discipline, call Governor Corzine who is getting 65 cents on the dollar.

Bridge to Nowhere.....fuck you!

Umm Do you really want to start a Corzine fiscal discussion here? That's not a good example sir.

epo

09-01-2008, 08:07 PM

Umm Do you really want to start a Corzine fiscal discussion here? That's not a good example sir.

Actually I don't want an in-depth discussion about Governor Corzine. However my larger point is that it's always hilarious to me to hear Governors of certain regions that receive disproportionate federal dollars tell people how they have "fiscal discipline" or are "reformers".

It's a false premise for a true discussion. Governor Palin is a great example of that when she uses the whole "we sent money back to the taxpayers" line.

TheMojoPin

09-01-2008, 08:09 PM

Your town burned down once.

And it came back even fucking bigger. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.

scottinnj

09-01-2008, 08:10 PM

Hey! I was BORN in a small town.

I BREATHE in a small town.

I'll probably DIE in a small town.

And that's probably where they'll BURY me.

Ugh, Mellencamp. Him and Springsteen are walking cliches. Double Ugh.

JerseySean

09-01-2008, 08:13 PM

I direct you to this analysis by 538.com (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/sarah-palin-compassionate-conservative.html) of what polling shows about how Palin's views on some key issues match up to what polls show most voters think. 5 issues are broken down, and Palin is shown to be well outside the mainstream on most of them.

Please point towards any poll taken all year where any of there matter. BTW, some people just dont understand some issues. Hate Crimes are one of those, just like living wage, who wouldnt support them if you didnt know what they actually meant

epo

09-01-2008, 08:13 PM

And it came back even fucking bigger. THAT'S HOW IT'S DONE.

I'll never believe the story about Mrs. O'Leary's cow. It was the ash from the much cooler Great Peshtigo Fire!

That's right....we did it! Wisconsin burned down Chicago!

epo

09-01-2008, 08:16 PM

Please point towards any poll taken all year where any of there matter. BTW, some people just dont understand some issues. Hate Crimes are one of those, just like living wage, who wouldnt support them if you didnt know what they actually meant

So you are saying the populus, including those in small towns is stupid?

Why do conservatives hate small town America so much?

(See what I did there.)

TheMojoPin

09-01-2008, 08:18 PM

I'll never believe the story about Mrs. O'Leary's cow. It was the ash from the much cooler Great Peshtigo Fire!

That's right....we did it! Wisconsin burned down Chicago!

Couldn't get the job done if that was the case.

Wisconsin fails yet again.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 10:37 PM

Clinton had 14 years of experience as Governor of AR - AK is Alaska. Palin has had less than 2 years.

Is he really trying to correct me on something to which I already conceded 20 minutes prior to his post?

Way to follow the conversation, pal.

And as long as we're talking about your reading comprehension, may I suggest that I was comparing the town sizes and not the length of anyone's respective term?

Besides, we're not allowed to talk about experience...or are we now? The rules change so often.

:wallbash:

TheMojoPin

09-01-2008, 10:52 PM

Obama is far from the most experienced guy in the world, but Jesus Christ, at least he's lived, worked, schooled and travelled extensively around the country and the world his entire life. Palin seems to be like 97% Alaska with a couple years in Idaho and a semester in Hawaii. Her focus her whole life seemingly has been this tiny little corner up near the top of the world. I don't know the woman, and she very well may prove me wrong, but it seem pretty ridiculous to try and attack the experience issue by just stacking up their resumes without actually looking at the context and specifics of what each person was doing and who they were. For better or for worse, Obama seems to have the making of a conscious career politician on the modern global state. I don't see that from Palin at all. She's obviously no dummy to get to where she is, but really...the leap she's making is huge. Obama is taking some giant steps at a relatively young age, but if you follow his path and read his books it's pretty clear he's had intentions to shoot for the big chair for at least a decade now and has acted and likely developed accordingly. Snide comments about "the rules" and "what we can talk about" don't do any kind of breakdown of the specifics of who these people are ad what their careers have entailed. It's all just stacked up as dates and titles with zero sense of context or personal identity/history.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 11:10 PM

Your point made alot of sense, until the last sentence, which snapped me out of it.

That sentence seemed more appropriate in the original Palin thread.

And if you can't see that the Obama supporters change the rules willy nilly (and yes thats an important thing in any debate!) when it suits them, just as much as McCain supporters do, then youre perception is simply different than mine.

I dont call you silly for it. Please do not do so to me.

Now. There was indeed a time when Obama supporters said experience was not as important as other things he brought to the table, was there not?

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 11:15 PM

For better or for worse, Obama seems to have the making of a conscious career politician on the modern global state. if you follow his path and read his books it's pretty clear he's had intentions to shoot for the big chair for at least a decade now and has acted and likely developed accordingly.

Sounds familiar.

http://img5.allocine.fr/acmedia/medias/nmedia/18/36/14/30/18455703.jpg

The preceding was a joke, not to be taken as a serious thought that Obama is a Muslim or Russian spy, although I have a feeling some of you wont read this disclaimer and call it in as fact, or even better call me out for believing it to be true.

ChrisTheCop

09-01-2008, 11:26 PM

Sorry Mojo, I shall read your reply in the am. I'm pooped.

As they say in the fba shelter, good night.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 04:14 AM

Do they????????

Most Americans are pro-choice in polling, most Americans favor a living wage, most Americans are against the war in Iraq...

yeah....i was thinking about that too. Jerseysean is in New Jersey, I'm living in Kentucky. Why is he telling me what middle America believes?

epo

09-02-2008, 04:58 AM

If we needed any more proof that the "Maverick" John McCain has left us, then look no further than this:

McCain Hires GOP Operative Who Helped Smear Him in South Carolina in 2000 (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/mccain-hires-go.html?cid=128664060#comment-128664060)

Former officials of Sen. John McCain's 2000 campaign expressed shock and disbelief Monday to learn than the GOP presidential nominee had hired South Carolina political consultant Tucker Eskew.

Eskew, along with Warren Tompkins and Neal Rhodes, were key members of then-Gov. George W. Bush's South Carolina team during the 2000 primaries. McCain and his team long held Bush, Tompkins, Rhodes and Eskew responsible for the various smears against McCain and his family in the Palmetto state during that contentious contest.

It's over. The Senator is no longer a credible "Straight Talkin'" man.

NewYorkDragons80

09-02-2008, 05:46 AM

K.C.

09-02-2008, 09:12 AM

I'm not sure what's funnier. This:

Aides to Mr. McCain said they had a team on the ground in Alaska now to look more thoroughly into Ms. Palin’s background. A Republican with ties to the campaign said the team assigned to vet Ms. Palin in Alaska had not arrived there until Thursday, a day before Mr. McCain stunned the political world with his vice-presidential choice. The campaign was still calling Republican operatives as late as Sunday night asking them to go to Alaska to deal with the unexpected candidacy of Ms. Palin.

Or this:

Rudy Bumped

The Republican Convention is segueing from Hurricane Gustav to John McCain today. As RNC Chairman Mike Duncan put it on a conference call currently underway with reporters, "We continue to monitor the situation along the Gulf Coast. ... but we'll be hearing a lot about John McCain."

The decision to proceed with a full schedule today was made early this morning, according to campaign manager Rick Davis. Today's theme, under the banner of "Country First" (which is emblazoned throughout the convention hall), is "Who is John McCain?"

President Bush will speak to delegates via a satellite hookup. Former Sen. Fred Thompson (R-TN) will give a speech titled "The Courage and Service of John McCain." The evening's featured speaker is Sen. Joe Lieberman, whose speech is titled "The Original Maverick."

That means Rudy Giuliani is getting bumped from his speaking slot tonight to make room for some of the events delayed from Monday, but Davis says they are trying to reschedule Rudy for Wednesday night.

--David Kurtz

My how the mighty have fallen, in Rudy's case.

ChrisTheCop

09-02-2008, 09:17 AM

I'm not sure what's funnier. This:

Or this:

My how the mighty have fallen, in Rudy's case.

Umm...if I had to pick one thats funny, I'd go with #1.
I find it more tragic than funny though, if true.

And #2 is a simple scheduling shuffle due to the postponement of the convention caused by Gustav. I'm sure Rudy prefers speaking a day closer to the 11th anyway.

epo

09-02-2008, 09:22 AM

My how the mighty have fallen, in Rudy's case.

Rudy hasn't been right since Biden dropped the "noun + verb + 9/11" line on his ass.

And #2 is a simple scheduling shuffle due to the postponement of the convention caused by Gustav. I'm sure Rudy prefers speaking a day closer to the 11th anyway.

That gets my laugh of the morning. Kudos to you sir!

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 09:25 AM

Rudy has been right since Biden dropped the "noun + verb + 9/11" line on his ass.

That gets my laugh of the morning. Kudos to you sir!

Yea but remember, Rudy is a brilliant politician. He ends up being a great attack dog one way or the other.

HBox

09-02-2008, 10:27 AM

CRAZY PASTOR ALERT. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html#postComment)

But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode."

And some quotes from Palin herself:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

"I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

epo

09-02-2008, 10:37 AM

CRAZY PASTOR ALERT. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html#postComment)

And some quotes from Palin herself:

That wacky former Episcopalian! Speaking in tongues and acting crazy.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 10:37 AM

CRAZY PASTOR ALERT. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html#postComment)

And some quotes from Palin herself:

She is a woman of faith. Christians believe God has a plan. I dont see anything wrong with this. If she said 9/11 was punishemnt for gays, I'd have a problem but this is a woman of faith who cited God. I see no problem with that.

TheMojoPin

09-02-2008, 10:46 AM

Yea but remember, Rudy is a brilliant politician. He ends up being a great attack dog one way or the other.

Really? His last two major elections crashed and burned hard. He was elected mayor cresting on his success aganst organized crime. He seems less like a skilled politician and more like a guy who had some good timing.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 10:49 AM

Really? His last two major elections crashed and burned hard. He was elected mayor cresting on his success aganst organized crime. He seems less like a skilled politician and more like a guy who had some good timing.

No I disagree. He is a skilled politician. His campaign strategy was strongly flawed., If you ask me, he got bad advice and had a flawed strategy. But as an attack dog, he is top notch. He ran a bunch of great press conferences in Denver last week that were brilliant. Rudy also got reelected easily, that wasnt timing.

TheMojoPin

09-02-2008, 10:51 AM

No I disagree. He is a skilled politician. His campaign strategy was strongly flawed., If you ask me, he got bad advice and had a flawed strategy. But as an attack dog, he is top notch. He ran a bunch of great press conferences in Denver last week that were brilliant. Rudy also got reelected easily, that wasnt timing.

He got re-elected in the city where he made his bones and was an established name. Anything beyond NYC and he's failed miserably. He was made to look the fool running for the state, and made to look an even bigger fool running for the country.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 10:53 AM

He got re-elected in the city where he made his bones and was an established name. Anything beyond NYC and he's failed miserably. He was made to look the fool running for the state, and made to look an even bigger fool running for the country.

I wouldnt underestimate the guy. Whenb he ran for the Senate, he dropped out because he had cancer.

TheMojoPin

09-02-2008, 10:55 AM

I wouldnt underestimate the guy. Whenb he ran for the Senate, he dropped out because he had cancer.

Personally, I think he's a non-factor. He's basically a walking punchline now.

HBox

09-02-2008, 11:30 AM

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis: "This campaign is not about issues. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html)

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

That explains some things.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 11:33 AM

McCain campaign manager Rick Davis: "This campaign is not about issues. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/09/mccain_manager_this_election_i.html)

That explains some things.

I agree. Is Obama talking about issues and giving REAL solutions to the American people? No

cougarjake13

09-02-2008, 11:37 AM

i am a registered rep but im finding it harder and harder to vote for mc cain

Ritalin

09-02-2008, 11:48 AM

I agree. Is Obama talking about issues and giving REAL solutions to the American people? No

Oy vay, Jersey Sean.

Oy vay.

Jujubees2

09-02-2008, 03:05 PM

Shocker.

Bush to invoke 9/11 during his speech to the delegates tonight. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26506716/)

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 03:45 PM

Shocker.

Bush to invoke 9/11 during his speech to the delegates tonight. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26506716/)

Yes, it was the biggest issue of his Presidency and has shaped 21st century geo-politics. The nerve of those Republicans

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 04:18 PM

Just as an FYI, Sarah Palin got more votes running for Mayor of Wasilla than Biden got running for President.

thejives

09-02-2008, 04:21 PM

Maybe Bush and McCain can make out like old times.

http://www.donkeydish.com/images/gallery/george-w-bush-john-mccain-photos.jpg

http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/McCain-Bush%20photo.jpg
Oh, and where they were three years ago when Katrina Landed.

brettmojo

09-02-2008, 04:27 PM

I agree. Is Obama talking about issues and giving REAL solutions to the American people? No
How can he find the time when he's busy running Al Queda behind the scenes?

thejives

09-02-2008, 04:44 PM

Quick observation: The republican speakers sound like robots.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 04:46 PM

Maybe Bush and McCain can make out like old times.

Oh, and where they were three years ago when Katrina Landed.

You might be better off posting on Kos. Are you kidding. And delegates having drinks last night has NOTHING to do with McCain. If this happened last wee you would have seen the same thing.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 04:47 PM

Quick observation: The republican speakers sound like robots.

I listened to the first Dem night. That was as robotic as it gets.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:07 PM

wow, that chick on stage at the RNC right now is a hottie

thejives

09-02-2008, 05:07 PM

wow, that chick on stage at the RNC right now is a hottie

The background is trippy.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:08 PM

The background is trippy.

oh shes a female firefighter talking about the bridge collapsing. I bet she had a wet t-shirt. If i saw that, I would've high fived my bros

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:11 PM

the theme of the convention so far has been women in important positions

they should have that Minnesotan police chief that found that guy putting the other guy in the wood chipper thanks to finding his Tan Sierra. She was a great inspiration to women. And she was pregnant at the time!

thejives

09-02-2008, 05:14 PM

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:18 PM

see, id vote for Margie Gunderson as VP. "I'm not too sure I 100% agree with your presidential work Johnny". And then the new state bird can be the mallard thanks to her husband's paintings. That would RULE

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:21 PM

oh no, on PBS they are interviewing a guy who was with McCain in vietnam and hes fuckin' ancient.

HBox

09-02-2008, 05:23 PM

Nice profile on George H.W., the good Bush, at the RNC. Too bad he's not looking too great.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:25 PM

Nice profile on George H.W., the good Bush, at the RNC. Too bad he's not looking too great.

i actually didnt think he looked too bad considering. Hes really really old

brettmojo

09-02-2008, 05:25 PM

They're interviewing that high school football coach from West Canaan, Texas on Fox News.

thejives

09-02-2008, 05:27 PM

oh no, on PBS they are interviewing a guy who was with McCain in vietnam and hes fuckin' ancient.

I'm watching PBS too!
They're touting his immigration stance. That'll keep McCain popular with the party.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:33 PM

I'm watching PBS too!
They're touting his immigration stance. That'll keep McCain popular with the party.

oh yeah i saw that

the only reason im watching PBS is because its the only channel i have that is broadcasting this stuff in HD.

thejives

09-02-2008, 05:36 PM

oh yeah i saw that

the only reason im watching PBS is because its the only channel i have that is broadcasting this stuff in HD.

That's OK, I'm not judging you.

Freakin' nerd.

Remember when this lady didn't know Sarah Palin's name:
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GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:37 PM

That's OK, I'm not judging you.

Freakin' nerd.

oh i couldn't pay attention to that old bag. i dont even know who she was

thejives

09-02-2008, 05:37 PM

oh i couldn't pay attention to that old bag. i dont even know who she was

She thinks she's George Washington.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 05:38 PM

oh i couldn't pay attention to that old bag. i dont even know who she was

She is the epitomy of old money GOP women

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 05:38 PM

She thinks she's George Washington.

No but she may have blown him at Valley Forge, we dont know

scottinnj

09-02-2008, 05:45 PM

oh yeah i saw that

the only reason im watching PBS is because its the only channel i have that is broadcasting this stuff in HD.

You watch PBS in HD?

http://midnightcafe.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/loser11.jpg

I bet you donate to then too.

GreatAmericanZero

09-02-2008, 05:47 PM

omg

George HW Bush just stood up and from a profile view, he looks EXACTLY like a real life version of Mr. Burns hahahaha

K.C.

09-02-2008, 05:48 PM

Holy....shit....

I SWEAR I just saw the Jesus Camp lady in the audience.

scottinnj

09-02-2008, 05:53 PM

Holy....shit....

I SWEAR I just saw the Jesus Camp lady in the audience.

Dude, that movie was d i s t u r b i n g

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 06:13 PM

Fred Thompson is giving an awesome speech. It just goes to show you, he never wanted to run for President. not for a second.

HBox

09-02-2008, 06:22 PM

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding this, but I think John McCain was a POW.

KatPw

09-02-2008, 06:24 PM

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding this, but I think John McCain was a POW.

My husband just called Thompson's speech "The Passion of the McCain".

angrymissy

09-02-2008, 06:24 PM

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding this, but I think John McCain was a POW.

Are you sure?

scottinnj

09-02-2008, 06:25 PM

Fred Thompson is giving an awesome speech. It just goes to show you, he never wanted to run for President. not for a second.

Then why did he? As a conservative, I thought his candidacy was a waste of time.

K.C.

09-02-2008, 06:25 PM

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding this, but I think John McCain was a POW.

No, no, no....I think he's a member of the nWo.

In all honesty, Thompson's done a good job of selling McCain's story. But, it's going to be tough to polish up the policies.

HBox

09-02-2008, 06:26 PM

Are you sure?

I DON'T KNOW! DAMN THEIR SUBTLETY!

angrymissy

09-02-2008, 06:26 PM

Does anyone remember this from Family Guy? I cringed. ( I couldn't find a clip without the extra crap at the end, apparently Ron Paul people love this for some reason and use it for Anti-McCain clips)

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JerseySean

09-02-2008, 06:26 PM

Then why did he? As a conservative, I thought his candidacy was a waste of time.

He was kinda forced to run. He did it grudgingly throughout. For a second everyone thought he was the guy. I can tell you stories about that campaign that would shock you.

AKA

09-02-2008, 06:26 PM

What I've learned tonight is the latest pet name used to be dismissive of anyone who disagrees...

"The Angry Left."

Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2008, 06:28 PM

No, no, no....I think he's a member of the nWo.

please please please let this finish with Obama leg-dropping Biden and spraypainting GOP on his prone body.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 06:29 PM

What I've learned tonight is the latest pet name used to be dismissive of anyone who disagrees...

"The Angry Left."

Dude the liberal blogs are angry and hateful much more so that GOP blogs.

angrymissy

09-02-2008, 06:29 PM

He was kinda forced to run. He did it grudgingly throughout. For a second everyone thought he was the guy. I can tell you stories about that campaign that would shock you.

Like that time he told District Attorney Jack McCoy that he had to enforce the death penalty even though he didn't believe in it? Then they drank whiskey from his desk drawer. Good times.

K.C.

09-02-2008, 06:30 PM

please please please let this finish with Obama leg-dropping Biden and spraypainting GOP on his prone body.

In 2012, Obama's giving his next convention speech, and the cameras pan up to the rafters.

"That's.....that's John Edwards! John Edwards is back!....IN BLACK!"

Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2008, 06:31 PM

Like that time he told District Attorney Jack McCoy that he had to enforce the death penalty even though he didn't believe in it? Then they drank whiskey from his desk drawer. Good times.

Which reminds me, Missy, did you buy your robot insurance?

Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2008, 06:33 PM

In 2012, Obama's giving his next convention speech, and the cameras pan up to the rafters.

"That's.....that's John Edwards! John Edwards is back!....IN BLACK!"

Charlie Crist says He's Buff, and He's the Stuff.

Tenbatsuzen

09-02-2008, 06:34 PM

MY GOD! Rudy Giuliani just threw Ted Kennedy into the side of the trailer like a lawn dart!

HBox

09-02-2008, 06:36 PM

Oh man please tell me someone else heard Thompson end with "Zod Bless America"

thejives

09-02-2008, 06:37 PM

It's ridiculous for Republicans to talk like they haven't held the white house for 8 years.

K.C.

09-02-2008, 06:39 PM

Oh man please tell me someone else heard Thompson end with "Zod Bless America"

New slogan!

McCain/Palin '08
Kneel before Zod!

http://blog.dreamhost.com/images/generalzod.jpg

K.C.

09-02-2008, 06:40 PM

I can feel the Joe-mentum!

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz

HBox

09-02-2008, 06:40 PM

This might be the one thing this week I can't watch and the crowd doesn't sound too enthused either.

thejives

09-02-2008, 06:41 PM

Droopy dog vs. the Hurricane!

Don Stugots

09-02-2008, 06:43 PM

is there even a crowd there? the place sounds and looks like it is an old WCW thursday night thunder show.

K.C.

09-02-2008, 06:45 PM

is there even a crowd there? the place sounds and looks like it is an old WCW thursday night thunder show.

Disco Inferno vs. 'Das Wunderkid' Alex Wright closes out this night.

thejives

09-02-2008, 06:52 PM

Ha! He tried to get the republican convention to applaud President Clinton.

Now he's hyping Sarah Palin.

If they were smart Thompson would have come after this.

brettmojo

09-02-2008, 06:54 PM

McCain is the original maverick?

If I remember correctly Maverick never got shot down and surrendered to the enemy.

I guess that makes Palin the original Goose.

epo

09-02-2008, 06:54 PM

MY GOD! Rudy Giuliani just threw Ted Kennedy into the side of the trailer like a lawn dart!

Oh no, Joe Lieberman is with the nWo Hollywood! They've gotten to him too!

HBox

09-02-2008, 06:54 PM

Ha! He tried to get the republican convention to applaud President Clinton.

Now he's hyping Sarah Palin.

If they were smart Thompson would have come after this.

OMG. I may have to tune back in case the audience turns on him.

Drunky McBetidont

09-02-2008, 07:16 PM

i feel so much more stupid for having watched the last hour of cbs coverage of the gop convention.:wallbash: first W with his stupid 10 min speech and then traitor joe rambling on about how he is a democrat supporting the gop. he hasn't been a democrat since3 he changed party affiliation. he is an orphan looking for daddy warbucks. hope that works for you joe (before the cancer eats your asshole you dog looking fuck)

http://www.theplatelady.com/newer-images/daddy-warbucks.jpg

btw, i hate all their stupid red ties. i hope they all have aids babies.:annoyed:

scottinnj

09-02-2008, 07:19 PM

He was kinda forced to run. He did it grudgingly throughout. For a second everyone thought he was the guy. I can tell you stories about that campaign that would shock you.

I remember it was kind of late. Hannity was like a little school girl when Thompson finally showed up for his interview. That whole thing was a train wreck.

thejives

09-02-2008, 07:23 PM

i feel so much more stupid for having watched the last hour of cbs coverage of the gop convention.:wallbash: first W with his stupid 10 min speech and then traitor joe rambling on about how he is a democrat supporting the gop. he hasn't been a democrat since3 he changed party affiliation. he is an orphan looking for daddy warbucks. hope that works for you joe (before the cancer eats your asshole you dog looking fuck)

btw, i hate all their stupid red ties. i hope they all have aids babies.:annoyed:

What the hell did this say before you edited it?

Ol' Joe will have a little bit of egg on his face after all the nice things he said about Palin. Turns out she's got ties to Jews for Jesus. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html)

Drunky McBetidont

09-02-2008, 07:32 PM

What the hell did this say before you edited it?

Ol' Joe will have a little bit of egg on his face after all the nice things he said about Palin. Turns out she's got ties to Jews for Jesus. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html)

it wasn't politically correct.

Recyclerz

09-02-2008, 07:35 PM

Dude the liberal blogs are angry and hateful much more so that GOP blogs.

JS, This is like the third time I've seen you post this on the board. You're going to make Anne Coulter and Michele Malkin cry because they're not doing their jobs properly. And you're making me shake my head in disbelief if you really believe what you are saying.

HBox

09-02-2008, 07:39 PM

Palin wasn't subjected to an in-depth interviewe with McCain's chief vetter until the DAY BEFORE she was chosen. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews)

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was not subjected to a lengthy in-person background interview with the head of Sen. John McCain's vice presidential vetting team until last Wednesday in Arizona, the day before McCain asked her to be his running mate, and she did not disclose the fact that her 17-year-old daughter was pregnant until that meeting, two knowledgeable McCain officials acknowledged Tuesday.

K.C.

09-02-2008, 08:00 PM

scottinnj

09-02-2008, 08:00 PM

Turns out she's got ties to Jews for Jesus. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13098.html)

But Democrats hope Palin’s social conservatism, her paper-thin record on Israel, and — perhaps most importantly — her cultural roots in evangelical Christianity may be a major turnoff to Jewish voters, just as Republicans have tried to reach women disappointed that Obama didn’t choose Hillary Clinton,

I have never understood that fear. Jews have more to fear from Conservative European Catholics then evangelical Americans.

I've heard Chris Matthews rant and rave unchallenged about how evangelical Christians' support of Isreal is really in fact a secret plan to speed up Armegeddan.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

1. Evangelical Christians-like myself, who are in the majority-recognize that our Saviour Jesus Christ was a Jew, and while Norton's "Christ-killer" jokes are funny, that originated from some very anti-Semetic edicts from the Catholic Church during the good old Dark Ages, and like other forms of racism, the stigma remains.

2. The argument that Christians support Isreal only to speed up the Tribulation is an argument that is on it's head wrong. American Christians support Isreal because of Isreal's invitation to us to be able to come to Isreal to worship Jesus where he walked without fear of retribution. The notion that we are setting up Isreal for the end times is silly-any serious study of the Tribulation shows that Isreal will never be defeated, and anyone and any country that plots to "setup" Isreal will be crushed by Jesus when He returns to earth after the Tribulation period is over.
Armageddon is the final battle on Earth, and all the world's armies are under control by the AntiChrist. They gather at Armageddon to crush Isreal so the AntiChrist can rule the world without those pesky Messianic Jews spreading the propoganda of Jesus Christ's plan of Salvation. (12,000 from each of the 12 tribes of Isreal, totalling 144,000)
When the armies gather, Jesus returns from Heaven, and with a single word, destroys the armies of the world.
Isreal is safe, Jesus is victorious and anyone who supported the AntiChrist is judged and cast into Hell.

So while you struggle to lift your jaws back off the floor (I understand, if I were not a Evangelical, this shit would make me say "WTF" too) I'll give you the Cliff Notes:

Christians believe the Jews are God's Chosen People. Anyone who crosses the Jews get stomped on by God. Therefore, we support the Jews and Isreal.

Plus Jesus was a Jew, so if He's cool with us, the rest of them must be alright too. The fact that there are organizations like Jews for Jesus, while that may be a bit much, there are more formal organizations such as Friends of Israel (http://www.foigm.org/).

HBox

09-02-2008, 08:01 PM

Anyone watching CNN?

McCain was scheduled to do an interview with Larry King but pulled out citing the Campbell Brown bitchslapping of that McCain operative as the reasoning, calling it 'over the line.'

Way to show that courage.

Yeah, I heard about that earlier. They are also not allowing Palin to do any interviews. They seem to be running a strategy completely dependent on a backlash to Palin scrutiny.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 08:44 PM

Palin wasn't subjected to an in-depth interviewe with McCain's chief vetter until the DAY BEFORE she was chosen. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/02/AR2008090203462.html?hpid=topnews)

Did you actually read this article and see how in depth the vetting process was? Did we read the same thing?

epo

09-02-2008, 09:05 PM

Did you actually read this article and see how in depth the vetting process was? Did we read the same thing?

This seemed a little odd:

McCain's wife, Cindy, also played an influential role, aides said.

JerseySean

09-02-2008, 09:21 PM

This seemed a little odd:

I think they were referring to the decision itself not necessarily the vetting. Candidates wive do that all the time

A.J.

09-03-2008, 04:12 AM

Christians believe the Jews are God's Chosen People. Anyone who crosses the Jews get stomped on by God. Therefore, we support the Jews and Isreal.

So with God protecting them, why are we sending billions of dollars every year to ensure the security of Israel?

Also, why hasn't God wiped out HAMAS, Hizballah, Al-Qa'ida and every other group that seeks to destroy Israel?

IMSlacker

09-03-2008, 04:22 AM

So with God protecting them, why are we sending billions of dollars every year to ensure the security of Israel?

Because God told us to? Seems obvious.

A.J.

09-03-2008, 04:40 AM

That's right. The Lord needs money to operate.

http://www.fxcc.org/who/images/DSC_1095.jpg

epo

09-03-2008, 04:59 AM

That's right. The Lord needs money to operate.

http://www.fxcc.org/who/images/DSC_1095.jpg

Being God ain't cheap!

Freitag

09-03-2008, 05:06 AM

Rich Vos:

"[Palin] took a deficit in Alaska, and... and... turned it... into a plus!"

I swear, listening to Vos is like watching the second half of "Flowers for Algernon" on fast forward.

A.J.

09-03-2008, 05:08 AM

Being God ain't cheap!

The root of the word "forgive" is "GIVE".

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angrymissy

09-03-2008, 05:41 AM

hah

http://www.236.com/blog/w/lee_camp/mccains_voice_mail_to_palin_le_8644.php

angrymissy

09-03-2008, 05:50 AM

Anyone watching CNN?

McCain was scheduled to do an interview with Larry King but pulled out citing the Campbell Brown bitchslapping of that McCain operative as the reasoning, calling it 'over the line.'

Way to show that courage.

Here is the interview that caused the cancellation. God forbid, the interviewer actually pushed for a real answer.

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Freitag

09-03-2008, 06:25 AM

Also, why hasn't God wiped out HAMAS, Hizballah, Al-Qa'ida and every other group that seeks to destroy Israel?

Because He needs entertainment?

A.J.

09-03-2008, 06:27 AM

Because He needs entertainment?

He could go to the Catskills then.

Dude!

09-03-2008, 06:48 AM

This seemed a little odd:

Quote:
McCain's wife, Cindy, also played an influential role, aides said.

why would that be odd

i seem to remember a certain biatch who became senator
and then a prez candidate
only because her hubby was president
you don't think hill had influence over bill and vice versa

dont wives always have influence with their husbands

Freitag

09-03-2008, 07:26 AM

He could go to the Catskills then.

Henny Youngman is already in heaven.

The problem was, his chick was a sinner and banished to Hell.

At the Pearly Gates, he asked St. Peter, "Take my wife, please!"

K.C.

09-03-2008, 07:35 AM

This seemed a little odd:

Not really.

There was a long standing rumor that Michelle Obama was the driving force behind her husband's campaign not even vetting Hillary Clinton, and that she wielded a lot of power of their decision.

K.C.

09-03-2008, 03:40 PM

*spyreport, spyreport*

I saw an actual black person on the floor of the RNC.

...and no, it was not J.C. Watts.

JerseySean

09-03-2008, 03:48 PM

*spyreport, spyreport*

I saw an actual black person on the floor of the RNC.

...and no, it was not J.C. Watts.

It was Jeff Booker, NJ Delegate from Camden County

epo

09-03-2008, 03:58 PM

Check out this tasty video from YouTube. It's MSNBC's Chuck Todd with Peggy Noonan.

During the break she refers to the Palin pick as "political bullshit" and declares "its over".

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And now we know how the insiders really feel.

scottinnj

09-03-2008, 08:02 PM

So with God protecting them, why are we sending billions of dollars every year to ensure the security of Israel?

Also, why hasn't God wiped out HAMAS, Hizballah, Al-Qa'ida and every other group that seeks to destroy Israel?

Sorry it took so long to respond. I went to bed and had a long day, and when I got home, spent my time in the Palin speech thread.

Anyway......

The Old Testament is when Israel's enemies were stomped to the ground. We live in New Testament era now, when we are in the age of grace. But that will one day end, and Jesus will return to the earth.

Okay, this "age of judges" vs. "age of grace" is important:

The goofy pastors going off on how Israel is being "judged" by God with terrorism are the same nuts that blamed Hurricane Katrina on the gays and liberals, and 9/11 on the gays and liberals. They are dead wrong on ALL counts, because we live in the age of grace.

Also in the Old Testament, the age of judges, Israel was also conquered by its enemies when they turned from God. The Babylonians got em, the Phillistines got 'em, the Egyptian got 'em. When they repented, God got them back out of bondage.

Now we live in the age of grace, where we are left to our own devices, and judgement will come in the next life, not now. See where these pastors are wrong?

Also, a true study of Israel's role in the End Times reveals that they will not be converted to Christianity, instead they will have a revival of worshipping God "Old School" not unlike during the days of King David and Solomon, with a temple, annual sacrifices to God, a high priest and religious judges. This is not Christianity, this is original Judeo religious practices that date back to Moses and Abraham. Israel and Jews, although not practicing Christianity as we know it to be, will find favor with God and be protected during the Tribulation.

JerseySean

09-03-2008, 08:08 PM

Sorry it took so long to respond. I went to bed and had a long day, and when I got home, spent my time in the Palin speech thread.

Anyway......

The Old Testament is when Israel's enemies were stomped to the ground. We live in New Testament era now, when we are in the age of grace. But that will one day end, and Jesus will return to the earth.

Okay, this "age of judges" vs. "age of grace" is important:

The goofy pastors going off on how Israel is being "judged" by God with terrorism are the same nuts that blamed Hurricane Katrina on the gays and liberals, and 9/11 on the gays and liberals. They are dead wrong on ALL counts, because we live in the age of grace.

Also in the Old Testament, the age of judges, Israel was also conquered by its enemies when they turned from God. The Babylonians got em, the Phillistines got 'em, the Egyptian got 'em. When they repented, God got them back out of bondage.

Now we live in the age of grace, where we are left to our own devices, and judgement will come in the next life, not now. See where these pastors are wrong?

Also, a true study of Israel's role in the End Times reveals that they will not be converted to Christianity, instead they will have a revival of worshipping God "Old School" not unlike during the days of King David and Solomon, with a temple, annual sacrifices to God, a high priest and religious judges. This is not Christianity, this is original Judeo religious practices that date back to Moses and Abraham. Israel and Jews, although not practicing Christianity as we know it to be, will find favor with God and be protected during the Tribulation.

So where does that leave us Catholics?

scottinnj

09-03-2008, 08:20 PM

So where does that leave us Catholics?

Like I said before, the whole "Christ Killer" shit started with edicts from Rome in the Dark Ages......also there seems to be an anti-semitic wave in Europe, which is still mainly Catholic (and Episcopalian, which is just diet catholic)

I would say most Catholics and priests here in America have progressed enough to get beyond the "Jews killed Jesus" thing. I would also go as far as to say that American Catholics have gotten better then us Protestants in the whole "love your neighbor" idea as well.

But that explanation was to try to show that Evangelicals are not out to secretly destroy Israel to bring on the Rapture and the Tribulation.

Just the dummies. But they are few and far between. They seem like a lot, because they are the ones shown in the media whenever American-Israel relations are discussed. I say most evangelicals are like me-and we are biased to Israel, but we also have eyes and can condemn Israel when they go too far when they defend themselves, such as the invasion of Lebanon while they were chasing Hezbollah back to Syria.

JerseySean

09-03-2008, 08:32 PM

Like I said before, the whole "Christ Killer" shit started with edicts from Rome in the Dark Ages......also there seems to be an anti-semitic wave in Europe, which is still mainly Catholic (and Episcopalian, which is just diet catholic)

I would say most Catholics and priests here in America have progressed enough to get beyond the "Jews killed Jesus" thing. I would also go as far as to say that American Catholics have gotten better then us Protestants in the whole "love your neighbor" idea as well.

But that explanation was to try to show that Evangelicals are not out to secretly destroy Israel to bring on the Rapture and the Tribulation.

Just the dummies. But they are few and far between. They seem like a lot, because they are the ones shown in the media whenever American-Israel relations are discussed. I say most evangelicals are like me-and we are biased to Israel, but we also have eyes and can condemn Israel when they go too far when they defend themselves, such as the invasion of Lebanon while they were chasing Hezbollah back to Syria.

I find protestants to be much less forgiving and much more judgemental of others. Since you live in a Catholic area, do you find that to be the case as well?

scottinnj

09-03-2008, 08:34 PM

I find protestants to be much less forgiving and much more judgemental of others. Since you live in a Catholic area, do you find that to be the case as well?

Yes, that's why I said Catholics have the golden rule thing down while we're still working on it.

JerseySean

09-03-2008, 09:20 PM

Yes, that's why I said Catholics have the golden rule thing down while we're still working on it.

Im putting that squarely on you. And I want it done by next week.

scottinnj

09-04-2008, 01:32 PM

Im putting that squarely on you. And I want it done by next week.

Only if you can get Earl to believe the Earth is older then 16,000 years, and there is water on Mars.

scottinnj

09-04-2008, 01:33 PM

Check out this tasty video from YouTube. It's MSNBC's Chuck Todd with Peggy Noonan.

During the break she refers to the Palin pick as "political bullshit" and declares "its over".

And now we know how the insiders really feel.

You might as well have miced my wife. She's thinking the same thing as Peggy is.

Sinestro

09-04-2008, 04:54 PM

4 more years!! 4 more years!!!

epo

09-04-2008, 07:19 PM

More TrooperGate. (http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/09/04/1347737.aspx)

The GOP candidate for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, may be facing yet another ethics investigation back in her home state of Alaska. An ethics complaint obtained by NBC News was filed Wednesday by the police officers union in Alaska, requesting a probe into possible wrongdoing by the governor or her office. It was brought on behalf of state trooper Mike Wooten, an ex-brother-in-law of Palin who is at the center of the "Troopergate" scandal.

The complaint alleges that the governor or her staff may have have improperly disclosed information from Wooten's personnel records. The complaint alleges "criminal penalties may apply."

John Cyr, director of the union that filed the complaint, told NBC News, "It seems obvious to us somebody has improperly accessed [Wooten's] personnel file."

Isn't the inquiry of this investigation due back on October 31? Talk about your October surprise...

HBox

09-04-2008, 09:12 PM

Sarah Palin 911 call. (http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html)

This could blow up in her face. She can't be abusing the 911 system like this.

ChrisTheCop

09-04-2008, 09:20 PM

Sarah Palin 911 call. (http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html)

This could blow up in her face. She can't be abusing the 911 system like this.

Frustrating and funny at the same time.

Sadly, If you were to post that outside the walls of RF.net, and tell people that was her (after editing the location) there are people who would believe you, even if you came out a week later and said it wasnt her, they would still believe it was.

HBox

09-04-2008, 09:22 PM

Frustrating and funny at the same time.

Sadly, If you were to post that outside the walls of RF.net, and tell people that was her (after editing the location) there are people who would believe you, even if you came out a week later and said it wasnt her, they would still believe it was.

Yes. I know.
:devil2:

HBox

09-04-2008, 10:06 PM

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6776/mpbbquq5.jpg

tele7

09-05-2008, 12:12 AM

Sarah Palin 911 call. (http://www.break.com/index/burger_king_911.html)

This could blow up in her face. She can't be abusing the 911 system like this.

:clap:

epo

09-05-2008, 05:44 PM

That wacky McCain/Palin ticket. Today as John McCain introduced Sarah Palin he used this line:

"You know what i enjoyed the most? She took the luxury jet that was acquired by her predecessor and sold it on eBay — made a profit."

Certainly she did put the stupid airplane on eBay, but nobody bought it. In fact she put it on eBay 3 different times with no takers. She did however sell the airplane for a $500K loss, which doesn't seem to be a profit to me. (Link) (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Not_selling_on_eBay.html?showall)

I miss Straight Talkin' John.

HBox

09-05-2008, 07:33 PM

HBox

09-05-2008, 10:16 PM

ABC News just released a poll centered on Sarah Palin and I am shocked by it. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here, I'll explain afterward.

Favorability Ratings:

Sarah Palin: 50-37 All 53-34 Independent
Joe Biden: 54-30 All 52-31 Independent

I cannot believe this is a wash. And yes, this poll was all post Palin speech. I thought that speech was more effective but I guess I need to stop watching MSNBC gushing over every person who steps in front of a microphone. More less shocking stuff:

Does the Palin selection make you more confident in John McCain? 43-38 All, 44-37 Independent

Enough experience to be President?

Palin 42-50 All
Biden 66-21 All

News coverage of Palin unfair?

Fair 50 unfair 41

Does Biden/Palin make you more or less likely to vote for Obama/McCain?

Biden 22-10
Palin 25-19

If anything it looks like Biden is marginally more valuable at this point. We'll see what more polling says.

epo

09-05-2008, 10:26 PM

Enough experience to be President?

Palin 42-50 All
Biden 66-21 All

HBox - I don't honestly think much of this is a shocker, but just seems weird. But look at the numbers that I've isolated about "experience". This only feeds the point that while McCain has definitely fired up the right-wing base with this pick, he has completely destroyed his argument that "experience matters" with that same pick as well.

epo

09-05-2008, 11:36 PM

That "eBay Plane" must be the dumbest lie ever as even CNN picked up on it tonight:

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J.Clints

09-05-2008, 11:57 PM

HBox

09-06-2008, 05:45 AM

WOW What a Stretch for the democratic CNN. I bet they hated digging for that one.

McCain lies to your face and you are mad that someone tells you about it. Wonderful.

KnoxHarrington

09-06-2008, 05:48 AM

McCain lies to your face and you are mad that someone tells you about it. Wonderful.

That's the whole point of all the "liberal media" bashing of the past several years. Create a whole group of rubes who'll reject criticism of Republicans from the "MSM", and only trust news sources that are friendly to the Republicans. It's pathetic.

IMSlacker

09-06-2008, 05:53 AM

The Daily Show in tonight's show ripped McCain in particular and the Republican Party in such a savage, hilarious way I almost can't believe what I saw.

I don't think John McCain will be back there anytime soon.

Seriously, the Obama campaign ought to just take the segment from about 4:45 to 6:00 from this clip and start running it as an ad.

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The "Reformed Maverick" segment was pretty good to:

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scottinnj

09-06-2008, 08:13 AM

John Stewart did a job on McCain last night. It was funny, but it reminded me of how much McCain has gotten cozy with Bush in the past two years, while the rest of us were running away from Bush.

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 10:24 AM

The Daily Show should just come out and endorse Obama already

TheMojoPin

09-06-2008, 10:46 AM

The Daily Show should just come out and endorse Obama already

Who cares? They've never been shy about which way their politics lean. They make fun of both sides, but it's not like they're hiding that collectively the show obviously is on the Left.

GreatAmericanZero

09-06-2008, 10:55 AM

Who cares? They've never been shy about which way their politics lean. They make fun of both sides, but it's not like they're hiding that collectively the show obviously is on the Left.

the problem is, people on the right normally don't have the ability to be funny so they argue about "The Daily Show"

Lets have Larry the Cable Guy and Dennis Miller (the Dennis Miller of today) put on a comedy show of their own. I'm sure it will be hilarious

scottinnj

09-06-2008, 10:59 AM

Who cares? They've never been shy about which way their politics lean. They make fun of both sides, but it's not like they're hiding that collectively the show obviously is on the Left.

It's just a funny show. If you use it to make voting decisions, I feel bad for you. But even if you do, there are others who use the "news" they get in their email to decide who to vote for as well.

Such as this gem sent to me from my parents-"Scary Headlines from the year 2029"

HEADLINES FROM THE YEAR 2029

Ozone created by electric cars now killing millions in the seventh largest country in the world, Mexifornia, formerly known as California .

White minorities still trying to have English recognized as Mexifornia's third language.

Spotted Owl plague threatens northwestern United States crops and livestock.

Baby conceived naturally! Scientists stumped.

Couple petitions court to reinstate heterosexual marriage.

Iran still closed off; physicists estimate it will take at least 10 more years before radioactivity decreases to safe levels.

France pleads for global help after being taken over by Jamaica No other country comes forward to help the beleaguered nation!

Castro finally dies at age 112; Cuban cigars can now be imported legally, but President Chelsea Clinton has banned all smoking.

George Z. Bush says he will run for President in 2036.

Postal Service raises price of first class stamp to $17.89 and reduces mail delivery to Wednesdays only.

85-year $75.8 billion study: Di et and exercise are the keys to weight loss.

Average weight of Americans drops to 250 lbs.

Global cooling blamed for citrus crop failure for third consecutive year in Mexifornia and Floruba.

Abortion clinics now available in every
High School in United States

Senate still blocking drilling in ANWR even though gas is selling for 4532 Pesos per liter and gas stations are only open on Tuesdays and Fridays.

Massachusetts executes last remaining conservative.

Supreme Court rules punishment of criminals violates their civil rights.

Average height of NBA players is now nine feet, seven inches.

New federal law requires that all nail clippers, screwdrivers, fly swatters and rolled-up newspapers must be registered by January 2030.

IRS sets lowest tax rate at 75 percent.

Floruba voters still having trouble with voting machines.
Now, send this to whomever you want and as many as you want, then, guess what....
NOTHING will happen. No miracles, no money, absolutely nothing, except you might make someone smile or very very scared.
I Love This Country! It's The Government That Scares Me!

Yaay! Vote for McCain, I guess?

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:02 AM

Who cares? They've never been shy about which way their politics lean. They make fun of both sides, but it's not like they're hiding that collectively the show obviously is on the Left.
The straw that broke the camel's back was in the "Reformed Maverick" video when they said McCain crashed 5 planes. That means they counted his getting shot by an errand missile on the USS Forrestal in his stationary plane as "crashing." That's not a side, that's a lie. It's good for a few laughs, but in that moment, you can't help but think that maybe Rush (a guy I can't stand) was right when he said that McCain shouldn't trust his old media friends ever again.

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:03 AM

the problem is, people on the right normally don't have the ability to be funny so they argue about "The Daily Show"

Lets have Larry the Cable Guy and Dennis Miller (the Dennis Miller of today) put on a comedy show of their own. I'm sure it will be hilarious
Better yet, let's have a show where Nick Dipaolo, Colin Quinn, and Jim Norton display their slightly conservative opinions and pepper it with off-color humor... Oh wait.

HBox

09-06-2008, 11:10 AM

Better yet, let's have a show where Nick Dipaolo, Colin Quinn, and Jim Norton display their slightly conservative opinions and pepper it with off-color humor... Oh wait.

The decision to replace them with the Colbert Report was a stupid one wasn't it?

The straw that broke the camel's back was in the "Reformed Maverick" video when they said McCain crashed 5 planes. That means they counted his getting shot by an errand missile on the USS Forrestal in his stationary plane as "crashing." That's not a side, that's a lie. It's good for a few laughs, but in that moment, you can't help but think that maybe Rush (a guy I can't stand) was right when he said that McCain shouldn't trust his old media friends ever again.

That would have made the video funnier.

And maybe, just maybe, McCain the Daily Show down. They used to love the guy. Of course they would change their opinion once McCain changed so much. He can't change himself politically and expect everyone to treat himself the same.

Besides, McCain has already made his choice to attack and blame the media. With every new choice he makes this campaign he becomes more and more like a typical Republican.

GreatAmericanZero

09-06-2008, 11:15 AM

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:16 AM

The decision to replace them with the Colbert Report was a stupid one wasn't it?
No, but replacing it with Too Late with Adam Carolla, The Graham Norton Effect, Wanda Does It, and Stella were stupid decisions. Finally, Comedy Central replaced Tough Crowd with another half hour of the Daily Show... another half hour of cheap shots for credulous NYU and Columbia students to cheer.

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:20 AM

yeah..as much as I loved "Tough Crowd", it really was never a "run away" hit like the Daily Show and Colbert are. Maybe they could say that their was a bias against them, but if the show was a huge hit, it wouldn't matter
Colbert and TDS are HUGELY promoted and were even more heavily promoted when they first came on. Jon Stewart's arrival was touted for a month, if I remember correctly.

Ratings aside, Tough Crowd was just as funny or funnier, so don't tell me that just because the 1/2 Hour News Hour was the most pitiful entertainment in history means that conservatives are incapable of humor.

GreatAmericanZero

09-06-2008, 11:27 AM

Colbert and TDS are HUGELY promoted and were even more heavily promoted when they first came on. Jon Stewart's arrival was touted for a month, if I remember correctly.

Ratings aside, Tough Crowd was just as funny or funnier, so don't tell me that just because the 1/2 Hour News Hour was the most pitiful entertainment in history means that conservatives are incapable of humor.

Tough Crowd didn't appeal to audiences like "the Daily Show" did. We are fans of the comics, but "Tough Crowd" was a weird show of the 4 comics and Colin trying to discuss issues and then resulting n making fun of eachother. You can't deny "The Daily show" isn't popular, all the marketing in the world wouldn't matter if the show sucked. I don't see the conservatives being able to pull off a counter-part. Usually, the stuff conservatives watch is just some loud guy spouting his opinions and why the liberals run everything (the Rush Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity (and what Dennis Miller became). Liberals react to a more subtle type of entertainment

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:38 AM

Tough Crowd didn't appeal to audiences like "the Daily Show" did. We are fans of the comics, but "Tough Crowd" was a weird show of the 4 comics and Colin trying to discuss issues and then resulting n making fun of eachother.
It came completely out of left field (or right field) and there was more conservative viewpoints getting thrown out there than liberal ones. And it was hilarious. It was never promoted like the Daily Show was.
You can't deny "The Daily show" isn't popular, all the marketing in the world wouldn't matter if the show sucked. I don't see the conservatives being able to pull off a counter-part.
I'm not denying that for one moment. But would TDS be that big without the support of the network that TC never got? I don't know for sure, but I'm confident the network executives weren't sending Jon Stewart memos on what subjects he could or could not talk about in their nascent days. Don't see it? I just gave you an example. Now all it needs is a network willing to take the risk.
Usually, the stuff conservatives watch is just some loud guy spouting his opinions and why the liberals run everything (the Rush Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity (and what Dennis Miller became). Liberals react to a more subtle type of entertainment
I hope you're not talking about Dennis Miller Live, because that was great right up until the last episode.

HBox

09-06-2008, 11:48 AM

I'm not denying that for one moment. But would TDS be that big without the support of the network that TC never got? I don't know for sure, but I'm confident the network executives weren't sending Jon Stewart memos on what subjects he could or could not talk about in their nascent days. Don't see it? I just gave you an example. Now all it needs is a network willing to take the risk.

the Daily Show has been a staple on Comedy Central for 12 years now. OF COURSE they are going to try and support it as much as possible. TDS and South Park ARE Comedy Central. The reason they heavily advertised before Jon Stewart took over was probably to try and get people to give the show a chance without Kilborn. Stewart's track record with TV shows before that was atrocious.

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 11:53 AM

The reason they heavily advertised before Jon Stewart took over was probably to try and get people to give the show a chance without Kilborn. Stewart's track record with TV shows before that was atrocious.
http://dc-lundberg.net/remotecontrol/img/Colin.JPG

HBox

09-06-2008, 11:59 AM

http://dc-lundberg.net/remotecontrol/img/Colin.JPG

The difference being that Colin Quinn wasn't taking over one of the top two shows on the network. Most shows are not going to get a big push. Wanda Sykes show came and went without anyone noticing. Even Chappelle's Show wasn't pushed all that hard until it pulled in some big ratings.

scottinnj

09-06-2008, 12:00 PM

Tough Crowd didn't appeal to audiences like "the Daily Show" did. We are fans of the comics, but "Tough Crowd" was a weird show of the 4 comics and Colin trying to discuss issues and then resulting n making fun of eachother. You can't deny "The Daily show" isn't popular, all the marketing in the world wouldn't matter if the show sucked. I don't see the conservatives being able to pull off a counter-part. Usually, the stuff conservatives watch is just some loud guy spouting his opinions and why the liberals run everything (the Rush Limbaugh's and Sean Hannity (and what Dennis Miller became). Liberals react to a more subtle type of entertainment

I liked Tough Crowd a lot, but I bet it would have been better as a radio show, perhaps on Saturday Nights?

scottinnj

09-06-2008, 12:02 PM

the Daily Show has been a staple on Comedy Central for 12 years now. OF COURSE they are going to try and support it as much as possible. TDS and South Park ARE Comedy Central. The reason they heavily advertised before Jon Stewart took over was probably to try and get people to give the show a chance without Kilborn. Stewart's track record with TV shows before that was atrocious.

The Daily Show needs more Lewis Black. I can't stand the fact I'm forced to watch "Good vs. Evil" to get to see him and Patton Oswalt

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 12:06 PM

The Daily Show needs more Lewis Black. I can't stand the fact I'm forced to watch "Good vs. Evil" to get to see him and Patton Oswalt
Perfect example of a mediocre show getting ROYAL treatment from Comedy Central. Thank you, sir.

GreatAmericanZero

09-06-2008, 12:06 PM

i like good v. evil and i LOVE patton oswalt

NewYorkDragons80

09-06-2008, 12:09 PM

HBox

09-06-2008, 01:07 PM

HBox, we're going in circles. All I'm saying is that it's fair to say that if I had to brand Tough Crowd politically, I'd say it was conservative. And it was a funny show. So yes, conservative shows have the capacity to be funny. That doesn't make Mallard Fillmore funny, but it's been done and it could be done again.

One of my main points is that Tough Crowd just didn't fit from a programming standpoint. You build up a huge audience with The Daily Show and follow it with a show that's going to drive away most of the TDS crowd, no matter how good it is on its own. It wasn't going to fit with TDS, it wasn't going to win over it, there's not really anywhere else to put a 4 day a week show on the schedule, of course it wasn't going to work out long term.

But i do agree that conservatives are funny, even if shit like this gives me pause:

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