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GreatAmericanZero

10-08-2008, 04:06 AM

I think in retrospect, the fatal mistake of this campaign for John McCain will be him not following his gut instinct and picking Joe Lieberman as his VP, and instead caving to the shadow masters of the party and picking Palin.

It crippled him in so many ways

1) Choosing Lieberman would have been the ultimate in symbolism of divorcing himself George Bush. Whenever Obama spouted the 'Bush/McCain' lines, all he'd have to do is say "Hey, I picked a guy who ran against him."

2) Palin killed any and all moderate/socially liberal credentials that McCain had, thus costing him in states like New Hampshire, New Mexico, and Nevada.

3) Lieberman would have bolstered McCain's candidacy in Florida immensely (a state McCain is now fighting for his life in) and made Pennsylvania much more competitive.

4) It would have curtailed the backlash that all Republicans are feeling in wake of the economic crisis. He could have touted Lieberman's liberal economic credentials and worked a great populist message of 'a Democrat and a Republican coming together to produce an Independent solution to this crisis.'

5) It would have kept him from having to forfeit the experience argument, which he did when he picked Palin.

6) The Palin gaffes have crushed McCain in the long run.

7) Could have thrown a state like Connecticut into play to where Obama may have to burn time there.

McCain shot himself in the foot.

from a personal perspective, i liked McCain until he chose Palin..that proved to me that he was going to follow whatever republican agenda was put in front of him

but thats kinda ironic that you're saying mccains big mistake was not picking lieberman, and gore's big mistake in 2000 WAS picking lieberman

SinA

10-08-2008, 07:08 AM

i thought he did pretty well last night, which isn't surprising. after all, he has been on tv a lot of time over the years
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mendyweiss

10-08-2008, 07:12 AM

Overhead Projector ? John, This Isn't 1966 Anymore !!

PerryWinkle

10-08-2008, 07:30 AM

It's funny that this Leiberman talk is coming up. How many times did McCain bring up Leiberman's name while trying to prove how many issues he has worked on or brought up to Congress? I started to wonder why isn't Leiberman on a ticket. He seems to be doing the most in Congress.

yojimbo7248

10-08-2008, 07:39 AM

Overhead Projector ? John, This Isn't 1966 Anymore !!

These crazy kids spending money on fancy overhead projectors for their planetariums. Back in my day, we would just study the planets and stars by reading books with light from kerosene lamps. damn youngsters are spoiled rotten.

K.C.

10-08-2008, 07:52 AM

I started to wonder why isn't Leiberman on a ticket.

Because the collective heads of the of corporate conservatives would have exploded.

The Hannity wing of the party hates McCain and has always hated McCain. They were demanding Romney for VP as a compromise to put their full efforts into backing McCain.

Somewhere along the line, Palin got introduced into the equation. I don't know if it was someone within the McCain campaign who said "we think we can capitalize on disillusioned Hillary supporters" or whether it was someone from the outside demanding it.

Either way, that's where he ended up and it's been pretty close to a complete disaster.

He should have stuck with Lieberman. There would have been a tense few weeks...almost a stare down between McCain and the corporate conservatives about whether they would actually support him.

But I think in the end, even McCain/Lieberman, as much as those people despise both of them, is much much more palatable for them than Obama, and McCain's base would have came back to the fold.

oldladyfacepuncher

10-08-2008, 08:00 AM

It's funny that this Leiberman talk is coming up. How many times did McCain bring up Leiberman's name while trying to prove how many issues he has worked on or brought up to Congress? I started to wonder why isn't Leiberman on a ticket. He seems to be doing the most in Congress.

The thing is that he kept using Lieberman as an example of how he "reaches across the aisle".

angrymissy

10-08-2008, 10:38 AM

http://thatone08.com/thatonesk9.jpg

AKA

10-08-2008, 10:41 AM

http://thatone08.com/thatonesk9.jpg

Awesome.

HBox

10-08-2008, 10:44 AM

HBox

10-08-2008, 10:53 AM

On a serious note, here's the differences between McCain's homeowner's bailout he announced last night and what is already in the bailout to assist homeowners. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Moral_hazard.html?showall)

Details provided to reporters by senior adviser Doug Holtz-Eakin Wednesday morning make one thing clear: Taxpayers would directly pick up the tab for the difference in cost between a homeowner’s old, too-expensive mortgage and the cheaper one provided by the government.

This is something that congressional lawmakers, led by House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.) specifically avoided when they crafted their own landmark housing bill, which became law July 31 and took effect Oct. 1.

Congress’ bill – which Holtz-Eakin says provides at least part of the authority McCain would need to carry out his plan – provided a $300 billion program to help distressed borrowers refinance into cheaper Federal Housing Authority mortgages. But to participate, lenders and mortgage investors would have to reduce the mortgage principal, thus taking a loss on the loan.

Lawmakers argued that the “haircut” would protect taxpayers and mitigate against so-called “moral hazard” that government intervention would encourage lenders to believe they’ll always be rescued from their bad business decisions. To make sure homeowners didn’t get off scott free either, the law requires them to share any future profits from the resale of their homes with the government.

“Clearly we face the trade off that we would in fact be taking the negative equity position and putting it on the taxpayers books instead of putting it on the private lenders books or the homeowners books,” Holtz-Eakin told Politico. “We think the balance of risk has shifted to the point where this is the way to go.”

First of all, I don't know how McCain has transitioned from assisting the House Republicans in bailout negotiations to this. He's literally jumped from siding with the most conservative position to a position now too far left for Barney Frank. Not to mention this is another $300 billion on top of the existing bailout.

Anything it takes at this point I suppose.

epo

10-08-2008, 02:46 PM

This is how you execute a gaffe:

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My fellow prisoners!

epo

10-08-2008, 09:03 PM

This is quite a scene you've created Senator McCain:

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I'm embarrassed for the ideals of our nation.

PapaBear

10-08-2008, 09:10 PM

Uhmmmmm....

JerseySean

10-08-2008, 09:10 PM

This is quite a scene you've created Senator McCain:

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I'm embarrassed for the ideals of our nation.

If you want to find goofy fucks, you go to a political rally, that is bi-partisan my friend, you know that

JerseySean

10-08-2008, 09:12 PM

JerseySean

10-08-2008, 09:15 PM

While we are at it.....

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scottinnj

10-08-2008, 09:18 PM

This is quite a scene you've created Senator McCain:

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I'm embarrassed for the ideals of our nation.

Someone needs to shove the blond camera hog outta the way so the rest can speak.

And wtf is ACORN? Some mythical terror cell disguised as cheap housing? How come these people are so scared of it?

PapaBear

10-08-2008, 09:20 PM

How come these people are so scared of it?
Apparently, because it gave affordable housing to poor black people.

JerseySean

10-08-2008, 09:21 PM

Someone needs to shove the blond camera hog outta the way so the rest can speak.

And wtf is ACORN? Some mythical terror cell disguised as cheap housing? How come these people are so scared of it?

ACORN is a Democrat front group who regularly engages in voter fraud. Thats why

scottinnj

10-08-2008, 09:39 PM

While we are at it.....

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Well on one hand, the nazi reference was way over the top. Bad reference JerseySean-I haven't seen evidence Obama is going to plunge America into fascism.

On the other hand, the teacher and the parents should be smacked for making their kids do that.

????"Obama's gonna change the world!"????

And I have to explain the rapture to you guys? It seems the Messiah is here already-let the Tribulation begin!

These kooks are just as bad as the Rapture Righties-if I can borrow from Ed Schultz. To have their kids singing this dreck is only going to breed the next generation of political cynics. Because once they figure out their parents and teachers were loonies and Obama wasn't president to "change the world" citizen participation will be at an all-time low.

PapaBear

10-08-2008, 09:48 PM

On the other hand, the teacher and the parents should be smacked for making their kids do that.
I think I read somewhere that at least one person was fired. I can't remember where I saw it, so I can't look up the details.

scottinnj

10-08-2008, 09:52 PM

I think I read somewhere that at least one person was fired. I can't remember where I saw it, so I can't look up the details.

That was the teacher who did the "steppin" kids from the other video.

PapaBear

10-08-2008, 09:56 PM

That was the teacher who did the "steppin" kids from the other video.
Oh. That's what I thought you were talking about. I didn't even watch the other one.

mikeyboy

10-08-2008, 10:28 PM

If you want to find goofy fucks, you go to a political rally, that is bi-partisan my friend, you know that

I'm going to agree with Sean on that. There are retards on both sides of the aisle.

JerseySean

10-08-2008, 11:02 PM

Well on one hand, the nazi reference was way over the top. Bad reference JerseySean-I haven't seen evidence Obama is going to plunge America into fascism.

On the other hand, the teacher and the parents should be smacked for making their kids do that.

????"Obama's gonna change the world!"????

And I have to explain the rapture to you guys? It seems the Messiah is here already-let the Tribulation begin!

These kooks are just as bad as the Rapture Righties-if I can borrow from Ed Schultz. To have their kids singing this dreck is only going to breed the next generation of political cynics. Because once they figure out their parents and teachers were loonies and Obama wasn't president to "change the world" citizen participation will be at an all-time low.

Im not comparing Obama to Hitler, thats nuts, but the cult like following of Obama is certainly strange.

yojimbo7248

10-09-2008, 02:17 AM

Im not comparing Obama to Hitler, thats nuts, but the cult like following of Obama is certainly strange.

I hear Obama is secretly planning on sending the militia teams of black youth from his cult to the suburbs to demand reparations. oh yeah, and he is a Muslim.

PhilDeez

10-09-2008, 04:50 AM

KnoxHarrington

10-09-2008, 05:24 AM

ACORN is a Democrat front group who regularly engages in voter fraud. Thats why

Did you have any idea what ACORN was until you saw it on some right-wing blog a couple of weeks ago?

Furtherman

10-09-2008, 09:03 AM

During the Town Hall, McCain said...

While we were working to eliminate these pork barrel earmarks he [Senator Obama, or "that one"] voted for nearly $1 billion in pork barrel earmark projects. Including $3 million for an overhead projector at a planetarium in Chicago, Illinois. My friends, do we need to spend that kind of money?

The money wasn't for a overhead projector, it was for star projector (Adler’s Zeiss Mark VI star projector: a venerable piece of precision fabricated equipment that projects the stars, constellations, and other objects inside the Adler Planetarium dome.)

Adler's current projector is over 40 years old and needs to be replaced.

Adler needed money to do this. They asked local politicians, and eventually were able to get a request in a budget submitted by Obama. However, Obama never even voted on that budget, and Adler never got that money — thus making, again, McCain a liar.

But even if Obama did vote for that - where is harm in giving money to teach kids about science and astronomy? That's what our tax money should be doing.

McCain’s planetariophobia (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2008/10/08/mccains-planetariophobia/)

JerseySean

10-09-2008, 09:21 AM

Did you have any idea what ACORN was until you saw it on some right-wing blog a couple of weeks ago?

Yes, Ive known ACORD and their shenanigans for years now.

AKA

10-09-2008, 09:42 AM

Thanks to Fred Thompson, Rudy Gulliani and Mike Huckabee, McCain rises from the dead to win the GOP nomination.

Everyone is "in the tank" for Obama.

McCain shakes his fist at his surrogates, saying that mud slinging is no way to run a campaign, and tells them to knock it off.

Women should vote for McCain, because he's so much like Hillary.

McCain needs 7 homes.

People shouldn't trust Obama because people around the world like him.

McCain might pick Lieberman - the ultimate unity ticket!

The Clintons will split the Democratic Convention.

Hillary really didn't endorse Obama during her convention speech.

President Clinton wasn't forceful enough during his convention speech.

Obama should not be trusted because he had 80,000 people come out to see him.

McCain will pick Gov. Palente.

Obama was all spectacle and we still don't know what he stands for.

Gov. Sarah Palin (The Reformer) is picked as Vice Presidential candidate.

Media picks on Sarah Palin because she has babies and grandbabies.

McCain will make sure the hurricane stays away from New Orleans - just one more way he puts America First.

McCain was in Vietnam.

Being snarky is one way Rudy helps put America First.

McCain was a prisoner.

Sarah Palin and her family are introduced to America at the GOP Convention - America First.

McCain was a prisoner in Vietnam.

Republicans love balloons as much as they love putting America First.

"Lipstick on a Pig."

Alaska and Russia are neighbors.

"The Economy is Fundamentally Sound."

McCain will suspend his campaign.

McCain snubs Letterman because he has to flee NY to get to Washington (22 hours later).

McCain may not do the debate.

McCain will do the debate, but won't look at his opponent.

It's the media's fault for asking Gov. Palin tough questions like what newspapers she reads, or what supreme court cases she disagrees with.

Palin can wink and recite talking points at the same time - that means she's ready to lead.

Palin has no need to answer questions, when she can talk directly to the American public - telling them how much of a maverick she is.

60,000 people coming out to see Sarah Palin proves she is ready to be President.

Obama is a terrorist.

What economic meltdown?

Obama really is a terrorist.

McCain loves town halls.

No, seriously...Obama is a terrorist...look at his middle name!

booster11373

10-09-2008, 12:23 PM

Ladies and Gentle your fellow citizens

or

The Stupidest people in Ohio

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brettmojo

10-09-2008, 01:45 PM

This is how you execute a gaffe:

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My fellow prisoners!

This reminds me of that Family guy skit with Ronald Regan outside a Burger King yelling at the side of the building demanding that Gorbechev tears down that wall... McCain will be doing that next, except it'll be a China Wok and he'll be demanding that they stop breaking his legs.

On a serious note, here's the differences between McCain's homeowner's bailout he announced last night and what is already in the bailout to assist homeowners. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Moral_hazard.html?showall)

First of all, I don't know how McCain has transitioned from assisting the House Republicans in bailout negotiations to this. He's literally jumped from siding with the most conservative position to a position now too far left for Barney Frank. Not to mention this is another $300 billion on top of the existing bailout.

Anything it takes at this point I suppose.

Yeah, let's just keep throwing tax money at Nascar so they can write off track improvements on their taxes.

http://thatone08.com/thatonesk9.jpg

It only would have been better if McCain has said,"Buckwheat over there..." instead.

scottinnj

10-09-2008, 05:54 PM

Im not comparing Obama to Hitler, thats nuts, but the cult like following of Obama is certainly strange.

I understand that you weren't and I understand what you point was. Please in the future be more careful how you do it? I'm asking respectfully of course, because how you do it is certainly your choice, I'm just trying for some constructive criticism.

scottinnj

10-09-2008, 05:59 PM

I'm going to agree with Sean on that. There are retards on both sides of the aisle.

That's not nice mikeyboy.

We call them representatives, not retards. Helps 'em feel better about themselves.

AKA

10-10-2008, 06:40 AM

In the middle of an opinion piece in today's Washington Post (Washington Post column - Playing the Dull Card (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/achenblog/?hpid=opinionsbox1)) was some talk about McCain's "legacy" that I found interesting - as it is something that has been batted about around here lately:

At what point would John McCain start thinking about his legacy rather than a victory? Calling Obama a terrorist sympathizer won't work -- the guy's too dull to be any such thing! He's Ward Cleaver!

McCain is extremely image-conscious. My guess (and this is worth about as much as one share of GM stock) is that at some point he will decide that talking about Bill Ayers will neither win him votes nor the approbation of history.

I have said it for a couple of weeks now, I firmly believe McCain will (at some point during Debate 3) have a moment, like Hillary did during one of her debates with Obama, and say how honored he is to be there with Obama at that moment. Lord knows Obama (and his wife, and running mate) have given McCain ample praise and respect for his service to this country, and it's been nothing but "TERRORISTS! NOT ONE OF US!" from the other side. I think Debate 3 we'll finally see a moment where he will say, "My friends, it is indeed an honor to be here, sharing this important time in history with Senator Obama..."

If he doesn't do it there, and he does lose this thing, then his legacy really is toast.

epo

10-10-2008, 02:58 PM

David Gergen, the mad genius of presidential politics called Senator McCain on his rallies and the bullshit tone they are using (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/10/mccain.crowd/index.html):

CNN contributor David Gergen said that the negative tone of these rallies is "incendiary" and could lead to violence.

"There is this free floating sort of whipping around anger that could really lead to some violence. I think we're not far from that," he told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Thursday. "I really worry when we get people -- when you get the kind of rhetoric that you're getting at these rallies now. I think it's really imperative that the candidates try to calm people down."

This shit NEEDS to stop immediately. McCain/Palin are currently using the lowest road possible to appeal to America and for that they are being the most UN-American they can be. If Senator McCain keeps this up he will have earned a place of shame in American political history.

hammersavage

10-10-2008, 03:07 PM

It sounds like McCain backed off a bit today, calling Obama a good man and no one should be scared if he's president. Now, he was met with a chorus of boos but still, he tried.

I'd like to see him say something along those lines at the next debate cuz I think McCain's a good man but this terrorist/red scare/racist bullshit that really grew in the past week needs to be quelled a bit.

KatPw

10-10-2008, 03:15 PM

It sounds like McCain backed off a bit today, calling Obama a good man and no one should be scared if he's president. Now, he was met with a chorus of boos but still, he tried.

I'd like to see him say something along those lines at the next debate cuz I think McCain's a good man but this terrorist/red scare/racist bullshit that really grew in the past week needs to be quelled a bit.

It's too little, too late. The damage is already done. The people that are spewing the hate speech have been whipped into a frenzy, and I don't think McCain saying essentially "now, now children, he's a good man" is going to change their tune. It's like a feeding frenzy, and they won't be happy until there is "blood".

hammersavage

10-10-2008, 03:26 PM

I agree its too late on the people's end. But for me to hold onto the respect of a guy who I once really respected, I would have voted for him in 2000, means a lot to me and I hope it happens. It would go a long way with me if he happened to get elected as well.

epo

10-10-2008, 03:49 PM

I'll give McCain his due for trying to control the venom today. This just from Time (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html):

But then something weird happens: He acknowledges the "energy" people have been showing at rallies, and how glad he is that people are excited. But, he says, "I respect Sen. Obama and his accomplishments." People booed at the mention of his name. McCain, visibly angry, stopped them: "I want EVERYONE to be respectful, and lets make sure we are."

The very next questioner tried to push back on this request, noting that he needed to "tell the American the TRUTH about Barack Obama" -- a not very subtle way, I think, to ask John McCain to NOT tell the truth about Barack Obama. McCain told her there's a "difference between record and rhetoric, and I plan to talk about his record, respectfully... I don't mean that has to reduce your ferocity, I just mean it has to be respectful."

And then later, again, someone dangled a great big piece of low-hanging fruit in front of McCain: "I'm scared to bring up my child in a world where Barack Obama is president."

McCain replies, "Well, I don't want him to be president, either. I wouldn't be running if I did. But," and he pauses for emphasis, "you don't have to be scared to have him be President of the United States." A round of boos.

And he snaps back: "Well, obviously I think I'd be better. "

and the best one:

He just snatched the microphone out the hands of a woman who began her question with, "I'm scared of Barack Obama... he's an Arab terrorist..."

"No, no ma'am," he interrupted. "He's a decent family man with whom I happen to have some disagreements."

While I wish he would have done this days ago, I applaud him for finally doing it today.

HBox

10-10-2008, 03:53 PM

Unfortunately I'm sure that fucking shrew is still going to go around fomenting this shit.

yojimbo7248

10-10-2008, 04:10 PM

Nice to see the old McCain hatred of mob idiocy. Though he hasn't shown it much recently, he does have a good record of challenging the GOP extremists. I love that he called Falwell and Robertson agents of intolerance, Rumfeld the worst SECDEF in history, and fights the Tancredo crowd on immigration. Maybe old..or should I say, previous version of John McCain is rearing his head.

scottinnj

10-10-2008, 04:16 PM

Nice to see the old McCain hatred of mob idiocy. Though he hasn't shown it much recently, he does have a good record of challenging the GOP extremists. I love that he called Falwell and Robertson agents of intolerance, Rumfeld the worst SECDEF in history, and fights the Tancredo crowd on immigration. Maybe old..or should I say, previous version of John McCain is rearing his head.

This could be McCain recognizing he isn't going to win by placating the conservatives who have been calling the shots in this campaign since the convention, and he's going back to being more "hands on" and independant of the GOP.

brettmojo

10-10-2008, 04:30 PM

I'll give McCain his due for trying to control the venom today. This just from Time (http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/10/mccain_denounces_pitchforkwave.html):

and the best one:

While I wish he would have done this days ago, I applaud him for finally doing it today.

This could be McCain recognizing he isn't going to win by placating the conservatives who have been calling the shots in this campaign since the convention, and he's going back to being more "hands on" and independant of the GOP.
The GOP brainwashing is finally wearing off.

epo

10-10-2008, 05:30 PM

And so the rumors begin (via Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/pulling-the-plu.html)):

So I hear (via a prominent member of the sane Republican faction) that the word on the right side of the street is that the Republican National Committee is about to pull the plug on its joint ads with the McCain campaign, and devote its resources instead to trying to save a couple of the senators who are at serious risk of losing their seats. Now this is gossip, albeit of the high class variety; take it with the requisite pinch of salt.

At least when the RNC did it to Bob Dole in 1996, he still had his dignity.

scottinnj

10-10-2008, 05:58 PM

And so the rumors begin (via Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/pulling-the-plu.html)):

At least when the RNC did it to Bob Dole in 1996, he still had his dignity.

I had a blast in that campaign. All the way to the end, pure class.

SP1!

10-10-2008, 07:54 PM

This shit NEEDS to stop immediately. McCain/Palin are currently using the lowest road possible to appeal to America and for that they are being the most UN-American they can be. If Senator McCain keeps this up he will have earned a place of shame in American political history.

I think obama is apealing to the lowest common denominator.

Obama/democratic party: "You have problems?, Well we have change!!"
Mindless morons: "What change?"
Obama/democratic party: "Well its change from the last 8 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Mindless morons: "Yaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!"

Its amazing that anyone still buys the dems/obamas bullshit when they have brought nothing to the table, fuck the policies they have pushed for the financial crisis is the same shit that has been tried to be pushed through except with more pork.

If you think obama is the answer then you obviously havent looked at who got us into the problem in the first place.

epo

10-10-2008, 07:56 PM

I think obama is apealing to the lowest common denominator.

Its amazing that anyone still buys the dems/obamas bullshit when they have brought nothing to the table, fuck the policies they have pushed for the financial crisis is the same shit that has been tried to be pushed through except with more pork.

If you think obama is the answer then you obviously havent looked at who got us into the problem in the first place.

You mean the gentleman on the right?

http://whitenoiseinsanity.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/johnmccainphilgramm.jpg

KnoxHarrington

10-10-2008, 07:59 PM

You mean the gentleman on the right?

http://whitenoiseinsanity.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/johnmccainphilgramm.jpg

No, he blames the blacks!

HBox

10-10-2008, 08:12 PM

I'm a little refreshed seeing McCain today. I can't give him too much credit since it was his campaign and his VP whipping their supporters into this pitch to get us to this point. But it's still good to see.

Sinestro

10-10-2008, 08:39 PM

WTF is Palin going to say now? She was finally getting that script down pat.

KnoxHarrington

10-10-2008, 09:14 PM

I'm a little refreshed seeing McCain today. I can't give him too much credit since it was his campaign and his VP whipping their supporters into this pitch to get us to this point. But it's still good to see.

But it's a typical Rovian play: ratchet up the sleaze and divisive bullshit, then let the candidate themselves denounce it while it stays out there.

"Oh, heavens, I don't mean to say that Barack Hussein Obama pals around with terrorists! How dare you sir!"

Umm, you just did say it.

celery

10-11-2008, 11:08 AM

I almost felt bad watching this video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bash.mccain.friday.cnn?iref=videosearch

I get the feeling that McCain didn't want really want his campaign to turn out this way, and he's saddened that his base has dwindled to a bunch of racist nutjobs.

This thing is so over and he knows it. I give him credit for trying to salvage some dignity.

brettmojo

10-11-2008, 12:24 PM

I think obama is apealing to the lowest common denominator.

Its amazing that anyone still buys the dems/obamas bullshit when they have brought nothing to the table, fuck the policies they have pushed for the financial crisis is the same shit that has been tried to be pushed through except with more pork.

If you think obama is the answer then you obviously havent looked at who got us into the problem in the first place.
Yeah it's all the dems fault. It's the dems fault that 8 years ago we had a balanced budget, a surplus, peace and prosperity. How dare they spend the last 8 years fucking that all up.

tele7

10-11-2008, 02:07 PM

I almost felt bad watching this video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bash.mccain.friday.cnn?iref=videosearch

I get the feeling that McCain didn't want really want his campaign to turn out this way, and he's saddened that his base has dwindled to a bunch of racist nutjobs.

This thing is so over and he knows it. I give him credit for trying to salvage some dignity.

I give him zero credit. Those tactics didn't spike his poll numbers which is the only reason he shifted gears. Fuck him!

Jujubees2

10-11-2008, 03:28 PM

I give him zero credit. Those tactics didn't spike his poll numbers which is the only reason he shifted gears. Fuck him!

Yeah, it would have been interesting what McCain's reaction would have been if his poll numbers started to climb after the Palin nonsense.

KnoxHarrington

10-11-2008, 09:02 PM

McCain rallies get worse and worse. A minister giving an invocation at a rally in Iowa City offered this quite interesting prayer:

“There are millions of people around this world praying to their god—whether it’s Hindu, Buddha, Allah—that his opponent wins, for a variety of reasons. And Lord, I pray that you will guard your own reputation, because they’re going to think that their God is bigger than you, if that happens,” said Arnold Conrad, the former pastor of Grace Evangelical Free Church in Davenport.

First, douchebag, Allah actually is the same God Christians and Jews worship.

Secondly, Buddha is not a god.

Third, there is no such god as "Hindu".

Fourth, this guy is a idiot and a scumbag.

Fifth, the McCain campaign claims to want real debate, but continues to get sleazier and sleazier.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/11/speaker-at-mccain-rally-says-non-christians-want-an-obama-win/

danner1515

10-11-2008, 09:23 PM

I almost felt bad watching this video:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/10/bash.mccain.friday.cnn?iref=videosearch

I get the feeling that McCain didn't want really want his campaign to turn out this way, and he's saddened that his base has dwindled to a bunch of racist nutjobs.

This thing is so over and he knows it. I give him credit for trying to salvage some dignity.

Yeah, I saw that clip this morning and thought the exact same thing. You can feel how mortified the guy was when talking to that idiot woman who called Obama an Arab. I really think McCain is a good guy who kind of got stuck having to play dirty politics which really isn't his nature.

A.J.

10-12-2008, 07:29 AM

So I'm watching CNN -- or was it Sky News or Al-Jazeera? Anyway, I see that clip of the white trash that worried that "Obama was an A-rab" and that they were afraid of having their baby in a country where Obama was President. McCain's response was tepid at best: "Obama is a decent man and you have nothing to fear": or something that effect.

What McCain SHOULD have said was: "No, he's not an Arab. But what if was was? Really? This is America. This is 2008. I'm proud to have a black man serve in the Senate with me and even prouder that in my lifetime I've watched a segregated society progress to one where a minority is running for the highest office in the land. If you planned to vote for me because you're 'afraid' of Senator Obama -- DON'T. I don't want your damn vote. Write in David Duke instead you ignorant haysed."

brettmojo

10-12-2008, 07:32 AM

So I'm watching CNN -- or was it Sky News or Al-Jazeera? Anyway, I see that clip of the white trash that worried that "Obama was an A-rab" and that they were afraid of having their baby in a country where Obama was President. McCain's response was tepid at best: "Obama is a decent man and you have nothing to fear": or something that effect.

What McCain SHOULD have said was: "No, he's not an Arab. But what if was was? Really? This is America. This is 2008. I'm proud to have a black man serve in the Senate with me and even prouder that in my lifetime I've watched a segregated society progress to one where a minority is running for the highest office in the land. If you planned to vote for me because you're 'afraid' of Senator Obama -- DON'T. I don't want your damn vote. Write in David Duke instead you ignorant haysed."
Only on Earth 2 do candidates through their chances of winning away.

mongothetrucker

10-12-2008, 07:34 AM

yeah, he would have lost alot if he answered like that.

I like McCain, but his age and the Vice Floozy were big strikes against him.

Plus, I can't give continuing power the the party that had put the country where it is.

HBox

10-12-2008, 07:41 AM

So I'm watching CNN -- or was it Sky News or Al-Jazeera? Anyway, I see that clip of the white trash that worried that "Obama was an A-rab" and that they were afraid of having their baby in a country where Obama was President. McCain's response was tepid at best: "Obama is a decent man and you have nothing to fear": or something that effect.

What McCain SHOULD have said was: "No, he's not an Arab. But what if was was? Really? This is America. This is 2008. I'm proud to have a black man serve in the Senate with me and even prouder that in my lifetime I've watched a segregated society progress to one where a minority is running for the highest office in the land. If you planned to vote for me because you're 'afraid' of Senator Obama -- DON'T. I don't want your damn vote. Write in David Duke instead you ignorant haysed."

psssst......... have you seen those crowds? they'd murder him first, THEN rape him if he did that!

mongothetrucker

10-12-2008, 07:45 AM

psssst......... have you seen those crowds? they'd murder him first, THEN rape him if he did that!

true. these crowds are old farts and hillbillies.

KnoxHarrington

10-12-2008, 07:46 AM

psssst......... have you seen those crowds? they'd murder him first, THEN rape him if he did that!

Here's the thing: McCain wants that reaction. He wants those hayseeds to stay angry so that any thought they might have of switching to Obama on economic grounds stays away.

The Ayers/ACORN stuff has so little traction outside the right-wing echo chamber that I have to think it's not raised to try to win over undecided voters. I think it's raised to rile up the base, and protect it. In short, McCain wants those angry hayseeds. Oh, he has to say things like "Obama's an honorable man" -- but he didn't take the chance, as noted above, to totally smash those dumbasses. Because that's not what he wants.

I think it's become abundantly clear over the past few months that any "maverick" in McCain is dead. He's a puppet of the Republican Party now. He hires guys who slimed his family in the sleaziest possible terms. He will do anything to be elected President.

He has sold his soul. Some of you are giving him way too much credit.

brettmojo

10-12-2008, 07:49 AM

Here's the thing: McCain wants that reaction. He wants those hayseeds to stay angry so that any thought they might have of switching to Obama on economic grounds stays away.

The Ayers/ACORN stuff has so little traction outside the right-wing echo chamber that I have to think it's not raised to try to win over undecided voters. I think it's raised to rile up the base, and protect it. In short, McCain wants those angry hayseeds. Oh, he has to say things like "Obama's an honorable man" -- but he didn't take the chance, as noted above, to totally smash those dumbasses. Because that's not what he wants.

I think it's become abundantly clear over the past few months that any "maverick" in McCain is dead. He's a puppet of the Republican Party now. He hires guys who slimed his family in the sleaziest possible terms. He will do anything to be elected President.

He has sold his soul. Some of you are giving him way too much credit.
Hammer----->Nail

A.J.

10-12-2008, 07:51 AM

psssst......... have you seen those crowds? they'd murder him first, THEN rape him if he did that!

You mean fuck a dead guy?

McCain sure has a purty mouth.

scottinnj

10-12-2008, 05:52 PM

So I'm watching CNN -- or was it Sky News or Al-Jazeera? Anyway, I see that clip of the white trash that worried that "Obama was an A-rab" and that they were afraid of having their baby in a country where Obama was President. McCain's response was tepid at best: "Obama is a decent man and you have nothing to fear": or something that effect.

What McCain SHOULD have said was: "No, he's not an Arab. But what if was was? Really? This is America. This is 2008. I'm proud to have a black man serve in the Senate with me and even prouder that in my lifetime I've watched a segregated society progress to one where a minority is running for the highest office in the land. If you planned to vote for me because you're 'afraid' of Senator Obama -- DON'T. I don't want your damn vote. Write in David Duke instead you ignorant haysed."

All fine and good, but McCain does want to win. Endorsing Obama the way you want him to kinda doesn't fit that gameplan.

AKA

10-12-2008, 06:51 PM

So I'm watching CNN -- or was it Sky News or Al-Jazeera? Anyway, I see that clip of the white trash that worried that "Obama was an A-rab" and that they were afraid of having their baby in a country where Obama was President. McCain's response was tepid at best: "Obama is a decent man and you have nothing to fear": or something that effect.

What McCain SHOULD have said was: "No, he's not an Arab. But what if was was? Really? This is America. This is 2008. I'm proud to have a black man serve in the Senate with me and even prouder that in my lifetime I've watched a segregated society progress to one where a minority is running for the highest office in the land. If you planned to vote for me because you're 'afraid' of Senator Obama -- DON'T. I don't want your damn vote. Write in David Duke instead you ignorant haysed."

This is an aspect of the campaign that has really bothered me - one of my oldest friends is Muslim (Mom was from Algeria; father from France) - her father worked for the US government for over 30 years, even (along with his son) worked for the first George Bush white house - my friend was the one who called me terrified as she watched the planes hit the towers on 9/11 - her brother in law served in the US Marines during a total of 5 tours between Iraq and Afghanistan - and yet (once again) she feels frightened and threatened by the dangerous tone being set out there. Especially for her 3 year old daughter and 1 year old son.

There's part of her that understands why Obama can't come out and say to people, "I am not a Muslim, but so what if I were...?" He can't do that - McCain, imo, could - and has an opportunity to show bravery and should.

epo

10-12-2008, 07:50 PM

The Ayers/ACORN stuff has so little traction outside the right-wing echo chamber that I have to think it's not raised to try to win over undecided voters. I think it's raised to rile up the base, and protect it. In short, McCain wants those angry hayseeds. Oh, he has to say things like "Obama's an honorable man" -- but he didn't take the chance, as noted above, to totally smash those dumbasses. Because that's not what he wants.

I think it's become abundantly clear over the past few months that any "maverick" in McCain is dead. He's a puppet of the Republican Party now. He hires guys who slimed his family in the sleaziest possible terms. He will do anything to be elected President.

He has sold his soul. Some of you are giving him way too much credit.

The Ayers is silly, but I get it...connections are fair game. But the ACORN stuff is just a god damn sham.

So registering voters is now a problem? I thought we wanted MORE people to vote in this country? Or are they registering "the wrong" kind of voter? Would McCain's camp be happier if ACORN when door-to-door in the suburbs?

The best is listening to conservatives talking about voter fraud by ACORN....seriously. Just because an individual fills out a form improperly or invalidly is not the fault of the organization. Here is a little factoid that the "liberal media" is failing to point out...if you offer to register a voter, no matter their beliefs, no matter their legal ability, no matter their location, no matter how stupid they look....you must LEGALLY turn that form into the state. The state has the jurisdiction is deciding who is able to legally register, not the person offering to register you from any organization.

So if you give the registration form to some dipshit and he claims to be "Tony Romo" from Arizona, the worker must LEGALLY turn that form in, or that worker could be punished by law by fine or jail time.

But then again, it's easier politically to make an urban non-profit organization seem "mysterious and dangerous" when you are getting your ass handed to you. Isn't it Senator McCain?

PhilDeez

10-12-2008, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE=epo;1905067]The Ayers is silly,QUOTE]

Why. Why is it silly to bring up a relationship with a loon who proudly formulated attacks on American landmarks?
The silly thing is to wait this long, pulling the card now looks desperate.
If ACRON is so clean and good, why won't Obama come to their defense and latch himself to their selfless mission?

epo

10-12-2008, 08:14 PM

Why. Why is it silly to bring up a relationship with a loon who proudly formulated attacks on American landmarks?
The silly thing is to wait this long, pulling the card now looks desperate.

It's silly because Senator Clinton tried this line in the primaries and it didn't work then...so who in the hell would think it would work now. We are now at the point of the election cycle when most of the "undecideds" aren't the type that vote on policy, they vote on personality. Which sounds like a perfect time, until you realize that a vast majority of those people react very poorly to negative attacks...and Camp McCain is running 100% negative ads these days.

If ACRON is so clean and good, why won't Obama come to their defense and latch himself to their selfless mission?

You didn't even read my thing about voter registration...did you? Tell me one thing you know about ACORN......

Everything I'm to understand is that Senator Obama will come out and defend ACORN this week. Link to rumor here: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/obama-aides-record-cash-r_n_134039.html)

There will, however, be one new ripple. On Monday, Obama's communication's shop is expected to go on the offense on issues of voter protection after a week in which Republicans cried foul about registration efforts in various states and painted the community organizing group ACORN as a criminal enterprise.

Obama aides will attack Republicans over efforts to disenfranchise voters in several states, and announce a voter protection campaign involving hundreds of volunteer lawyers around the country.

History is gonna be a bitch to Senator McCain for the manner in which he has run his campaign.

TheMojoPin

10-12-2008, 08:15 PM

The Ayers is silly

Why. Why is it silly to bring up a relationship with a loon who proudly formulated attacks on American landmarks?

Because Obama met the man when Ayers was a distinguished college professor working to combat poverty and improve education in Chicago. People talk like L'il Obama was hanging around with the Weathermen, or that when he met Ayers Ayers was still the same person he was in the 60's. He did what he did, went on the run and eventually turned himself in. How does that reflect poorly on Obama? "Sorry dude, screw the poor and I hope our schools stay shitty...you were a bomb-making hippie 30 years ago!"

brettmojo

10-13-2008, 03:43 AM

Why. Why is it silly to bring up a relationship with a loon who proudly formulated attacks on American landmarks?
Because the economy is shit and getting worse and I don't give a crap about one person who Obama sat on a committee with to improve Chicago's school system that had a radical past in the 60's. OHHHHHH!!! HE WAS A RADICAL IN THE 60'S!!! I went to school with someone who murdered somebody. So I guess I pal around with murderers.

GreatAmericanZero

10-13-2008, 04:15 AM

yeah if i had to be judged by whatever weird/creepy shit my co-workers have ever done in their life..jeez i'm screwed

A.J.

10-13-2008, 05:54 AM

All fine and good, but McCain does want to win. Endorsing Obama the way you want him to kinda doesn't fit that gameplan.

why Obama can't come out and say to people, "I am not a Muslim, but so what if I were...?" He can't do that - McCain, imo, could - and has an opportunity to show bravery and should.

I was referring more to what AKA said above.

Dirtybird12

10-13-2008, 06:02 AM

Jujubees2

10-13-2008, 06:06 AM

[QUOTE=epo;1905067]The Ayers is silly,QUOTE]

Why. Why is it silly to bring up a relationship with a loon who proudly formulated attacks on American landmarks?
The silly thing is to wait this long, pulling the card now looks desperate.
If ACRON is so clean and good, why won't Obama come to their defense and latch himself to their selfless mission?

A) Because no one (except the right wingers) care since the economy is in the tank.

B) It's not like Sen. McCain doesn't have skeletons in his closet.

McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra case (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/)

Loan Titans Paid McCain Adviser Nearly $2 Million (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/us/politics/22mccain.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Fact Check: McCain-lobbyist connections (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/09/mccain.lobbying/)

epo

10-13-2008, 06:06 AM

From CNN: (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

New McCain stump: 'We've got them just where we want them'

I can't even take the man seriously anymore.

Knowledged_one

10-13-2008, 06:20 AM

From CNN: (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/)

New McCain stump: 'We've got them just where we want them'

I can't even take the man seriously anymore.

Does that mean you will finally stop posting nonsense here

You arent changing anybodies opinions here, so you must be doing it to make yourself feel good

mikeyboy

10-13-2008, 06:36 AM

Does that mean you will finally stop posting nonsense here

You arent changing anybodies opinions here, so you must be doing it to make yourself feel good

He's discussing McCain in this thread, just like everybody else. I honestly have no idea how he's getting under your skin.

epo

10-13-2008, 07:18 AM

Does that mean you will finally stop posting nonsense here

You arent changing anybodies opinions here, so you must be doing it to make yourself feel good

How is linking to articles and discussing them like a grown-up equate to "nonsense"?

brettmojo

10-13-2008, 07:39 AM

How is linking to articles and discussing them like a grown-up equate to "nonsense"?
He thinks you're an arab that pals around with hippies and terrorists.

celery

10-13-2008, 08:12 AM

Yeah epo, stop posting nonsense from crazy radical leftist sites like CNN.

PhilDeez

10-13-2008, 12:15 PM

It's silly because Senator Clinton tried this line in the primaries and it didn't work then...so who in the hell would think it would work now. We are now at the point of the election cycle when most of the "undecideds" aren't the type that vote on policy, they vote on personality. Which sounds like a perfect time, until you realize that a vast majority of those people react very poorly to negative attacks...and Camp McCain is running 100% negative ads these days.

You didn't even read my thing about voter registration...did you? Tell me one thing you know about ACORN......

Everything I'm to understand is that Senator Obama will come out and defend ACORN this week. Link to rumor here: (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/12/obama-aides-record-cash-r_n_134039.html)

History is gonna be a bitch to Senator McCain for the manner in which he has run his campaign.

Just because I am not waving an Obama flag, please don't confuse me for one of those wonderful representatives of the Republican party from the video link. If you truely would like me to tell you everything I know about Acron I will. I am somewhat familiar with the organization and unlike those who you are obviously comparing me to in the video, I did not just learn of them this week from FoxNews. I am by no means an expert on them, I am sure they provide a valuable service but have been proven to do unsavory acts as well. My whole point was I have not seen, maybe he has, Obama come out in defense of ACORN yet.
My other point was that the Ayers situation, as well as Rev. Wright which may rear its head again, could have been used more effecitvely a month or so ago rather than at the last minute during an economic downturn. I think my use of the word desperate made that clear.

epo

10-13-2008, 01:24 PM

Question: What is this a picture of?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/mccainacorn2.jpg

Answer:

A. Senator McCain thinking of sunny weather.
B. Senator McCain thinking of picking Joe Lieberman instead of Governor Palin.
C. Senator McCain attending an ACORN rally on February 23, 2006 as a featured speaker (http://www.mdc.edu/Home/Press/rally.htm).

Honestly, his campaign must be run by the biggest bunch of fuck-ups ever.

scottinnj

10-13-2008, 01:44 PM

I was referring more to what AKA said above.

Fair enough. And you're right, Obama shouldn't have to identify his race or religion and nobody should be assuming anything.

brettmojo

10-13-2008, 02:52 PM

Question: What is this a picture of?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/mccainacorn2.jpg

Answer:

A. Senator McCain thinking of sunny weather.
B. Senator McCain thinking of picking Joe Lieberman instead of Governor Palin.
C. Senator McCain attending an ACORN rally on February 23, 2006 as a featured speaker (http://www.mdc.edu/Home/Press/rally.htm).

Honestly, his campaign must be run by the biggest bunch of fuck-ups ever.
Oh... Face.

PhilDeez

10-13-2008, 03:30 PM

Question: What is this a picture of?

http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/mccainacorn2.jpg

Answer:

A. Senator McCain thinking of sunny weather.
B. Senator McCain thinking of picking Joe Lieberman instead of Governor Palin.
C. Senator McCain attending an ACORN rally on February 23, 2006 as a featured speaker (http://www.mdc.edu/Home/Press/rally.htm).

Honestly, his campaign must be run by the biggest bunch of fuck-ups ever.

Agreed the campaign sucks ass, and unfortunately it wasn't choice B. However, it was a co-sponsored immigration reform event. At the time it really was "maverick" McCain as the key note expressing views that differed from much of the Republican party. This was not a get out the vote by all means necessary ACORN rally.
Still looks bad, it was way back in 2006 and McCain was only 70.

epo

10-13-2008, 07:30 PM

IMSlacker

10-13-2008, 07:37 PM

Comments?

He'd show you the videos on YouTube, but he doesn't know how to work a computer.

brettmojo

10-14-2008, 01:23 AM

KnoxHarrington

10-14-2008, 03:43 AM

He'd show you the videos on YouTube, but he doesn't know how to work a computer.

That's my thought too. Can we please see some video of these things being yelled at you, Senator?

His rallies have turned into angry hayseed hatefests. And it lets Obama say to voters, "Do you really want to be like these people?"

yojimbo7248

10-14-2008, 04:52 AM

His rallies have turned into angry hayseed hatefests. And it lets Obama say to voters, "Do you really want to be like these people?"

I couldn't agree more and just finished saying the same thing to my wife. The Palin led screaming rallies are going to turn off the centrist, independents who have serious concerns about Obama's experience and tax policies. These people might have gone McCain. Recently it looks like the hayseeds led by their queen, Palin, have taken over the campaign. McCain courting the rabid evangelical right will is turning out to be a huge mistake. He should have chosen Christine Whitman or someone more moderate and experienced for VP. Hopefully the big lesson here is the Christian right no more has the same power or influence.

A.J.

10-14-2008, 06:16 AM

That's my thought too. Can we please see some video of these things being yelled at you, Senator?

His rallies have turned into angry hayseed hatefests. And it lets Obama say to voters, "Do you really want to be like these people?"

I couldn't agree more and just finished saying the same thing to my wife. The Palin led screaming rallies are going to turn off the centrist, independents who have serious concerns about Obama's experience and tax policies. These people might have gone McCain. Recently it looks like the hayseeds led by their queen, Palin, have taken over the campaign. McCain courting the rabid evangelical right will is turning out to be a huge mistake. He should have chosen Christine Whitman or someone more moderate and experienced for VP. Hopefully the big lesson here is the Christian right no more has the same power or influence.

Al-Jazeera covered a McCain/Pailn rally in Bumfuck, Ohio. No bullshit, these are some of the quotes from the people they interviewed:

"Sarah Palin will do a great job because she's filled with the Holy Spirit."

"I think Obama and his wife are anti-white."

"Obama being an Arab worries me. I haven't forgotten about 9/11."

Yeah....

mikeyboy

10-14-2008, 06:40 AM

epo

10-14-2008, 06:46 AM

I couldn't agree more and just finished saying the same thing to my wife. The Palin led screaming rallies are going to turn off the centrist, independents who have serious concerns about Obama's experience and tax policies. These people might have gone McCain. Recently it looks like the hayseeds led by their queen, Palin, have taken over the campaign. McCain courting the rabid evangelical right will is turning out to be a huge mistake. He should have chosen Christine Whitman or someone more moderate and experienced for VP. Hopefully the big lesson here is the Christian right no more has the same power or influence.

I still hold with my original thought that Kay Bailey Hutchinson would have been a great pick for McCain.

AKA

10-14-2008, 07:08 AM

* "In the tank"

* "Working class whites"

* "Maverick"

* "_____gate"

* "Sarah Palin"

oh! But wait! I still have 5 more...

* "Undecided"

* ACORN

* "Liberal Media"

* "William Ayers"

* "Hockey Mom"

AKA

10-14-2008, 07:13 AM

I still hold with my original thought that Kay Bailey Hutchinson would have been a great pick for McCain.

I still think that if John McCain 2000 had run with Mitt Romney they would be in much better shape - especially with the economy. Trouble is, they hate each other and Mitt wants to run again in 2012 - and, with the fact that this is a change year, they more than likely still would have lost, and maybe worse since they wouldn't have the base as strong behind them as they have now.

AKA

10-14-2008, 11:08 AM

This is an aspect of the campaign that has really bothered me - one of my oldest friends is Muslim (Mom was from Algeria; father from France) - her father worked for the US government for over 30 years, even (along with his son) worked for the first George Bush white house - my friend was the one who called me terrified as she watched the planes hit the towers on 9/11 - her brother in law served in the US Marines during a total of 5 tours between Iraq and Afghanistan - and yet (once again) she feels frightened and threatened by the dangerous tone being set out there. Especially for her 3 year old daughter and 1 year old son.

There's part of her that understands why Obama can't come out and say to people, "I am not a Muslim, but so what if I were...?" He can't do that - McCain, imo, could - and has an opportunity to show bravery and should.

Quoting myself (so lame) - I am heartened (a bit) to hear this point being addressed by the media, of all people. Yesterday Ted Kopple made this point when he was on "The Mike O'Meara Show," and today, on CNN.com, Cambell Brown really put a fine point to it. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/campbell.brown.obama/index.html)

So what if Obama was Arab or Muslim? So what if John McCain was Arab or Muslim? Would it matter?

When did that become a disqualifier for higher office in our country? When did Arab and Muslim become dirty words? The equivalent of dishonorable or radical?

:clap:

GreatAmericanZero

10-14-2008, 01:56 PM

so on O&A today, some hayseed caller calls up and says about the financial crisis "its the fault of policies put by Jimmy Carter and then enforced strongly by Bill Clinton". This guy put all the blame on the economy on the 12 years of democratic presidents in the past 32 years. All the blame on just the democrats

I don't understand how there could be people like that in this world. So married to their party line. Unable to have an original thought or think outside of "everything is clearly the other sides fault. Its just so fucking sad

epo

10-14-2008, 02:55 PM

From Huffington Post (which isn't the most reliable source) but.....

McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html)

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.

The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.

IF found to be true, I am truly dumbfounded by the stupidity of the McCain campaign.

brettmojo

10-14-2008, 03:39 PM

Ah Saddam...

That was a good guy.

thejives

10-14-2008, 04:27 PM

From Huffington Post (which isn't the most reliable source) but.....

McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html)

IF found to be true, I am truly dumbfounded by the stupidity of the McCain campaign.

It's shocking, yes. But this guy also did the same transition job for both Bushes... and he worked for every Republican administration since Nixon. (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1840722,00.html)

So ... he was a liability already in my opinion. Just another example of the same old thing from a supposed "Maverick."

Meve

10-14-2008, 04:54 PM

brettmojo

10-14-2008, 04:58 PM

PapaBear

10-14-2008, 09:49 PM

Holy shit that's great.
I like it when she says "fuck". She should do it more often.

IMSlacker

10-15-2008, 08:58 AM

McCain camp: 'We lost the spin war' (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14593.html)

Mostly just whining from Nicole Wallace from the McCain campaign about the liberal media. This part cracked me up though.

“Well, look, it's like running against God,” Wallace said. “You know, the media has anointed [Obama]. Many, many places in the media, present company excluded, and he's got more money. He opted out of public funds. No one cares about that.”

This is from an interview on MSNBC.

Dirtybird12

10-15-2008, 09:09 AM

Vice President Dick Cheney experienced an abnormal heartbeat Wednesday morning.

Nancy Reagan has been hospitalized in Los Angeles with a broken pelvis.

how long before McCain tries to cancel the debate tonite?

Dirtybird12

10-15-2008, 12:19 PM

epo

10-15-2008, 02:00 PM

McCain camp: 'We lost the spin war' (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14593.html)

Mostly just whining from Nicole Wallace from the McCain campaign about the liberal media. This part cracked me up though.

“Well, look, it's like running against God,” Wallace said. “You know, the media has anointed [Obama]. Many, many places in the media, present company excluded, and he's got more money. He opted out of public funds. No one cares about that.”

This is from an interview on MSNBC.

Nothing is funnier than listening to a republican complain about a fundraising disadvantage.

epo

10-15-2008, 03:22 PM

I've heard the rumor for a few days that the McCain campaign is preparing an emergency pull-out of Wisconsin, and here are the first signs, as the RNC is pulling its ads from the state (http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=138987):

The Republican National Committee hasn’t booked ads for the next week in Wisconsin TV markets after running a series of spots attacking Barack Obama and congressional Dems, according to TV sources.

The decision comes amid speculation on whether Republicans may pull back in Wisconsin after several polls in the past week showed Obama up over John McCain by double digits. An RNC spokesman referred calls to the party’s independent expenditure operation, which is in charge of the TV ad buys.

From a state that Senator Kerry only won by 5000 votes in 2004 to an early withdraw. Nice!

brettmojo

10-15-2008, 03:30 PM

I've heard the rumor for a few days that the McCain campaign is preparing an emergency pull-out...
Something tells me that the Palin camp isn't probably for that pull-out.

mikeyboy

10-15-2008, 03:36 PM

Something tells me that the Palin camp isn't probably for that pull-out.

Her daughter apparently isn't a fan of the pull-out either.

GreatAmericanZero

10-15-2008, 03:39 PM

Her daughter apparently isn't a fan of the pull-out either.

because that hockey player FUCKED her! And CAME! In her PUSSY! with his DICK!

*high five*

high fly

10-16-2008, 08:15 AM

I've heard the rumor for a few days that the McCain campaign is preparing an emergency pull-out of Wisconsin, and here are the first signs, as the RNC is pulling its ads from the state (http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=138987):

From a state that Senator Kerry only won by 5000 votes in 2004 to an early withdraw. Nice!

And they've already "cut and run" in Michigan...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/03/ST2008100300009.html

Furtherman

10-16-2008, 08:17 AM

Her daughter apparently isn't a fan of the pull-out either.

HI-OOOOOOOOHHHHHH!!! :laugh:

celery

10-16-2008, 09:53 AM

epo

10-16-2008, 10:13 AM

The "Joe the Plumber" stuff is falling apart for McCain. Apparently:

Joe is a registered republican
Joe doesn't have a plumbing license
Owes back taxes
Makes less than $250K and would be eligible for Obama's tax cuts.

Honestly, the McCain campaign doesn't want to win.

EliSnow

10-16-2008, 10:36 AM

The "Joe the Plumber" stuff is falling apart for McCain. Apparently:

Joe is a registered republican
Joe doesn't have a plumbing license
Owes back taxes
Makes less than $250K and would be eligible for Obama's tax cuts.

Honestly, the McCain campaign doesn't want to win.

No, they want to win. They are desparate to win, so desparate that they are jumping on anything they think is an Obama mistake and/or weakness.

Obama's response to Joe was a mistake, and they jumped on it, without looking if Joe himself had any spots.

But does anyone think that these spots are really going to be jumped on? I don't think Obama cares any more about "Joe" and will just let it go.

IMSlacker

10-16-2008, 10:45 AM

No, they want to win. They are desparate to win, so desparate that they are jumping on anything they think is an Obama mistake and/or weakness.

Obama's response to Joe was a mistake, and they jumped on it, without looking if Joe himself had any spots.

But does anyone think that these spots are really going to be jumped on? I don't think Obama cares any more about "Joe" and will just let it go.

Obama won't. That would be stupid. But the media is all over this guy.

epo

10-16-2008, 10:48 AM

Obama won't. That would be stupid. But the media is all over this guy.

Exactly. Why get in the mix?

vagina envy

10-16-2008, 10:50 AM

Fuck Joe the plumber. What is this that shitty Kevin Costner movie.

PhilDeez

10-16-2008, 11:13 AM

The "Joe the Plumber" stuff is falling apart for McCain. Apparently:

Joe is a registered republican
Joe doesn't have a plumbing license
Owes back taxes
Makes less than $250K and would be eligible for Obama's tax cuts.

Honestly, the McCain campaign doesn't want to win.

Seriously why does it matter if this guy is actually a licensed plumber making over 250k a year. It does not change what Obama said. "Joe the Plumber" can represent millions of small business owners throughout the country.

mikeyboy

10-16-2008, 11:13 AM

Off-topic, but I haven't been able to get this song out of my head since Joe got brought up:

Joe the Plumber,
Can we snake it?
Joe the Plumber,
Yes, we can!

HBox

10-16-2008, 11:17 AM

Seriously why does it matter if this guy is actually a licensed plumber making over 250k a year. It does not change what Obama said. "Joe the Plumber" can represent millions of small business owners throughout the country.

Anyone could possibly represent small businesses across the country.

Here's a dose of reality on what Obama's plan would do to small businesses. (http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/?postversion=2008101611)

The bottom line: McCain's claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a "small business" - and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama's proposed rate increase. For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them.

JerseySean

10-16-2008, 11:27 AM

I own a small business. We are organized as an S-Corp which means we are exempt from paying corperate taxes. Which means that we will only have to pay taxes on the money as we pesonally draw from the business. It prevents us from being double dipped and prevents us from paying double the social security and medicare taxes. It also prevents a double whammy. Under Obama's plan S-Corps will no longer exist, this taking up to 25k a year from my business. That is a crushing blow.

high fly

10-16-2008, 11:46 AM

I own a small business. We are organized as an S-Corp which means we are exempt from paying corperate taxes. Which means that we will only have to pay taxes on the money as we pesonally draw from the business. It prevents us from being double dipped and prevents us from paying double the social security and medicare taxes. It also prevents a double whammy. Under Obama's plan S-Corps will no longer exist, this taking up to 25k a year from my business. That is a crushing blow.

So you're in the les than 2% affected,eh?

Since you run a business,you are familiar with the relation between income and outlays.
At the 6-month mark this year, the deficit was $300 billion.
As I am sure you are aware, that money, and the rest of the trillions borrowed in recent years was borowed, and the interest on those loans grows faster than the income of the government.

So, where is the money coming from to pay off the red ink?

How about we tax those who have most of the wealth?

Or would it be better to tax those with less of the wealth?

brettmojo

10-16-2008, 12:04 PM

epo

10-16-2008, 12:49 PM

Exhibit 98168B as to why the McCain campaign is the dumbest campaign ever:

Apparently Joe the Plumber is related to................

Wait for it........................

Charles Keating! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/john-mccain-and-the-joe-t_b_135319.html)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

HBox

10-16-2008, 12:55 PM

I own a small business. We are organized as an S-Corp which means we are exempt from paying corperate taxes. Which means that we will only have to pay taxes on the money as we pesonally draw from the business. It prevents us from being double dipped and prevents us from paying double the social security and medicare taxes. It also prevents a double whammy. Under Obama's plan S-Corps will no longer exist, this taking up to 25k a year from my business. That is a crushing blow.

I couldn't find a reference that said Obama was eliminating s-corps. If you could point me to where you read that I'd be interested in reading that. But it sounds to me like he's closing a loophole.

epo

10-16-2008, 02:45 PM

Exhibit 98168B as to why the McCain campaign is the dumbest campaign ever:

Apparently Joe the Plumber is related to................

Charles Keating! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/john-mccain-and-the-joe-t_b_135319.html)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

False interwebz "apparent truth". My apologies to Joe the Plumber and his family.

King Imp

10-17-2008, 06:07 PM

It certainly didn't take someone long to take this pic (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/tmimp67/ObamaMcCain.jpg) from the last debate and run with it. Fucking hysterical!

Fun With McCain (http://funwithmccain.com/)

thejives

10-17-2008, 07:11 PM

Meghan McCain has a new plan to win the election... a tattoo bit.

She'll get "Live Free or Die" tatooed on her body if McCain wins New Hampshire (and the election).
Here's her blog post (http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.shtml) about it, and here's a Manchester Union-Leader news story (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Meghan+McCain%3a+NH%2c+I%27l l+get+tattoo+for+you&articleId=68a1a67f-51dc-4e30-bdbc-3d5384568f13).

She didn't say where the tattoo would be.

And I know this post would be worthless without a pic. Here's one from her blog (http://www.mccainblogette.com/photos/).

http://x27.xanga.com/751f026711532216181846/w169098384.jpg
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.jpg

HBox

10-17-2008, 07:42 PM

Meghan McCain has a new plan to win the election... a tattoo bit.

She'll get "Live Free or Die" tatooed on her body if McCain wins New Hampshire (and the election).
Here's her blog post (http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.shtml) about it, and here's a Manchester Union-Leader news story (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Meghan+McCain%3a+NH%2c+I%27l l+get+tattoo+for+you&articleId=68a1a67f-51dc-4e30-bdbc-3d5384568f13).

She didn't say where the tattoo would be.

And I know this post would be worthless without a pic. Here's one from her blog (http://www.mccainblogette.com/photos/).

http://x27.xanga.com/751f026711532216181846/w169098384.jpg
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.jpg

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KnoxHarrington

10-18-2008, 07:21 AM

Interesting AP analysis of how McCain's campaign is sort of flopping around from strategy to strategy (or is it tactic to tactic, I don't remember) trying to find something that sticks to Obama, but nothing seems to be working. Not Ayers, not ACORN, not Joe the Plumber, not even mentioning Jeremiah Wright again. And even when they do try some positive campaigning by making policy proposals, those turn out to be a mess too.

The McCain campaign has always felt more improvisational than Obama's well-oiled machine, and the Arizona senator's years as a Navy pilot left him with a taste for daring feats. But recently, with polls showing McCain trailing Obama in several battleground states, his campaign operation has muddied McCain's message and complicated his efforts to gain ground.

Policy proposals have been floated and postponed. Lines of attack have been launched, then abruptly changed. And Joe the Plumber, like Sarah Palin before him, was pushed onto the national stage without a complete examination.

"When you run a campaign without a strategy and everything becomes tactical and your tactics don't work, you respond by finding other tactics," Republican consultant Ed Rollins said. "Unfortunately, that's helped Barack paint the guy who is clearly better prepared to be commander in chief as erratic and not stable."

McCain has always said he prefers to be the underdog, and he rolled out a feisty speech this week vowing a spirited fight to Nov. 4. But he has at times also seemed exasperated with the state of affairs.

In an interview with a North Carolina television station this week, the Arizona senator said he didn't know when he would return to the battleground state. "You know, my schedule lurches from day to day," he said, an edge in his voice.

He's just not presenting a compelling explanation for why he should be President beyond "Obama pals around with terrorists! ACORN is dirty!" I think Obama absolutely nailed him in the debate by saying his campaign is almost completely negative, and McCain's whole line of attack in that debate cemented that line.

The Republican playbook just seems totally empty now. Nothing but attacks that have lost their effectiveness as people want a President who can really help get us out of this shit.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081018/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_s_search_analysis

GreatAmericanZero

10-18-2008, 07:25 AM

Meghan McCain has a new plan to win the election... a tattoo bit.

She'll get "Live Free or Die" tatooed on her body if McCain wins New Hampshire (and the election).
Here's her blog post (http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.shtml) about it, and here's a Manchester Union-Leader news story (http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Meghan+McCain%3a+NH%2c+I%27l l+get+tattoo+for+you&articleId=68a1a67f-51dc-4e30-bdbc-3d5384568f13).

She didn't say where the tattoo would be.

And I know this post would be worthless without a pic. Here's one from her blog (http://www.mccainblogette.com/photos/).

http://x27.xanga.com/751f026711532216181846/w169098384.jpg
http://www.mccainblogette.com/postings/101708_1022.jpg

you'd think this stunt would lose some religious right voters. Tattoos are tools of the devil

epo

10-19-2008, 09:58 AM

All of this "un-American" shit by the McCain campaign is finally bearing it's awful fruits. From today's news:

Obama campaign worker allegedly assaulted at Caledonia home (http://www.wisn.com/politics/17754232/detail.html)

Police in Caledonia are investigating the assault of a campaign volunteer as she was canvassing for Senator Barack Obama Saturday afternoon.

In an exclusive interview with 12 News, 58 year-old Nancy Takehara of Chicago says she was going door-to-door when she came across a disgruntled homeowner.

“The next thing I know he’s telling us we’re not his people, we’re probably with ACORN, and he started screaming and raving,” Takehara said. “He grabbed me by the back of the neck. I thought he was going to rip my hair out of my head. He was pounding on my head and screaming. The man terrified me.”

Another link here. (http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2008/10/19/local_news/doc48fa891c6397b889391842.txt)

I've absolutely had it with the tone of the McCain campaign and the atmosphere it has created. This "frenzy" of anger is dangerous, McCain knows it and has essentially fueled the fire rather than tried to stop it.

May there be a pox over his house for the manner in which he has conducted himself.

mikeyboy

10-19-2008, 10:04 AM

May there be a pox over his house

Which one?

celery

10-19-2008, 09:24 PM

scumbags...

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HBox

10-21-2008, 04:01 PM

JerseySean

10-21-2008, 04:30 PM

All of this "un-American" shit by the McCain campaign is finally bearing it's awful fruits. From today's news:

Obama campaign worker allegedly assaulted at Caledonia home (http://www.wisn.com/politics/17754232/detail.html)

Another link here. (http://www.journaltimes.com/articles/2008/10/19/local_news/doc48fa891c6397b889391842.txt)

I've absolutely had it with the tone of the McCain campaign and the atmosphere it has created. This "frenzy" of anger is dangerous, McCain knows it and has essentially fueled the fire rather than tried to stop it.

May there be a pox over his house for the manner in which he has conducted himself.

Oh stop it. the "kill him" bullshit was proven to be false. Stop your fake outrage

epo

10-21-2008, 04:35 PM

Oh stop it. the "kill him" bullshit was proven to be false. Stop your fake outrage

My fake outrage? This is a story about someone in my area that was attacked because of supporting a candidate?

Who created this atmosphere?

brettmojo

10-21-2008, 04:36 PM

Oh stop it. the "kill him" bullshit was proven to be false. Stop your fake outrage
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scottinnj

10-21-2008, 05:02 PM

My fake outrage? This is a story about someone in my area that was attacked because of supporting a candidate?

Who created this atmosphere?

It's happening on both sides. Some loon went after a old lady holding a McCain-Palin sign in Manhattan, and another keyed KKK on someone's car because it had a McCain-Palin bumpersticker on it.

Seriously this shit is getting out of hand-ON BOTH SIDES!

Case in point-dummies awaiting the Messiah's inauguration seem to think it's just fine to run out in front of a rival candidate's motorcade:

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Edt: You and I have talked about this before epo. But both campaigns are guilty of not denouncing the fringe kooks who support them-and while you and I agree the potential for danger for Barack is greater, I cannot sit by and accept this type of behavior from any citizen. We are a beacon to the world, and this election is being watched worldwide. Both sides are making us as a country look like a bunch of soccer hooligans.

Ritalin

10-21-2008, 07:48 PM

Some loon went after a old lady holding a McCain-Palin sign in Manhattan, and another keyed KKK on someone's car because it had a McCain-Palin bumpersticker on it.

That was me.

scottinnj

10-21-2008, 07:54 PM

That was me.

Silly Goose.:nono:

King Imp

10-21-2008, 10:02 PM

scottinnj

10-22-2008, 02:29 PM

scumbags...

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Ugh.

KnoxHarrington

10-24-2008, 05:27 PM

So how did the now discredited story of a poor little McCain worker being beaten up and mutilated by a big black Obama supporting thug hit the media?

Surprise, surprise. The McCain campaign was pushing it to journalists. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/24/174033/12/463/641282)

John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain's Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, "You're with the McCain campaign? I'm going to teach you a lesson."

Verrilli also told TPM that the McCain spokesperson had claimed that the "B" stood for Barack.

All in a day's work for one of the sleaziest, dirtiest Presidental campaigns in American history.

Judge Smails

10-24-2008, 05:55 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/melspjr/fail.jpg

mikeyboy

10-24-2008, 06:02 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/melspjr/fail.jpg

Awesome. :lol:

Whiskeyportal

10-24-2008, 06:08 PM

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/50/l_eb608cdb1820491592f71ac7d3e9e26b.gif

She's got my vote

epo

10-24-2008, 06:15 PM

So how did the now discredited story of a poor little McCain worker being beaten up and mutilated by a big black Obama supporting thug hit the media?

Surprise, surprise. The McCain campaign was pushing it to journalists. (http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/24/174033/12/463/641282)

All in a day's work for one of the sleaziest, dirtiest Presidental campaigns in American history.

I get that, but I'm actually going to give Senator McCain a pass....but indict the state of his campaign.

They know they are losing, so they don't trust anybody. All indications have Senator McCain not liking Governor Palin at this point. I'm sure he doesn't trust his shithead advisers. This has to create an air of mistrust...and that goes both ways.

So by the time you get to this "State Communications Director" who worked with the press...this fucker is literally working like it's the Wild West. Can I blame McCain for that? No.

But I can blame him for the atmostphere that created it.

A.J.

10-25-2008, 06:45 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v116/melspjr/fail.jpg

Was she in Hanoi as well?

epo

10-26-2008, 08:46 AM

Conservative David Frum throws in the towel in today's Washington Post:

Sorry, Senator. Let's Salvage What We Can. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html)

There are many ways to lose a presidential election. John McCain is losing in a way that threatens to take the entire Republican Party down with him.

I could pile up the poll numbers here, but frankly . . . it's too depressing. You have to go back to the Watergate era to see numbers quite so horrible for the GOP.

McCain's awful campaign is having awful consequences down the ballot. I spoke a little while ago to a senior Republican House member. "There is not a safe Republican seat in the country," he warned. "I don't mean that we're going to lose all of them. But we could lose any of them."

In the Senate, things look, if possible, worse.

It appears to be Bob Dole 1996 all over again. Of course I said that on Super Tuesday, but my republican friends didn't want to believe me.

A.J.

10-26-2008, 10:43 PM

It appears to be Bob Dole 1996 all over again. Of course I said that on Super Tuesday, but my republican friends didn't want to believe me.

Dole's campaign didn't see as many Congressional losses as McCain's is going to. That's not necessarily a reflection on McCain -- it's the economy stupid.

Besides, if Obama wins, 2012 can be like 1980 all over again.

Recyclerz

10-27-2008, 04:07 AM

Besides, if Obama wins, 2012 can be like 1980 all over again.

Zombie Reagan? I'm not sure that is such a good idea.

A.J.

10-27-2008, 06:46 AM

Zombie Reagan? I'm not sure that is such a good idea.

Better him than Zombie John Anderson.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:52 AM

Conservative David Frum throws in the towel in today's Washington Post:

Sorry, Senator. Let's Salvage What We Can. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/23/AR2008102302081.html)

It appears to be Bob Dole 1996 all over again. Of course I said that on Super Tuesday, but my republican friends didn't want to believe me.

This is bigger than Dole. This is closer to 1968 than 1996. McCain is to Bush what Humphrey was to Johnson.

Fezticle98

10-27-2008, 07:12 AM

Dole's campaign didn't see as many Congressional losses as McCain's is going to. That's not necessarily a reflection on McCain -- it's the economy stupid.

Besides, if Obama wins, 2012 can be like 1980 all over again.

Zombie Reagan? I'm not sure that is such a good idea.

Maybe we can go with the next closest thing: A terrible, aging actor, and former governor of California. Only a little less conservative this time.

thejives

10-30-2008, 08:24 PM

Can this election end already?

I'm being honest ... I want to go back to respecting McCain. His campaign is making that impossible.

epo

10-31-2008, 02:32 PM

Can this election end already?

I'm being honest ... I want to go back to respecting McCain. His campaign is making that impossible.

I think he's there with you:

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OR?

yojimbo7248

10-31-2008, 02:47 PM

Can this election end already?

I'm being honest ... I want to go back to respecting McCain. His campaign is making that impossible.

I was thinking the same thing. I was watching "Taxi to the Dark Side" on HBO about the Bush administration policy on torture. McCain was one of the best parts of the movie and not just because I agree with what he said in the Senate hearings. He had the guts and character to say what he really felt and believed in, regardless of the politics. I still liked him when I disagreed with him. He then went and sold his soul to be president and is just a shell of his former self. I hope he comes back after 4 Nov.

AKA

10-31-2008, 10:49 PM

I think he's there with you:

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OR?

I will agree that she is an inspirational fig.

yojimbo7248

11-01-2008, 01:56 AM

This morning Drudge says that Zogby one day polls have McCain in lead, 48-47. I have never seen a bigger discrepancy in news sources over who is winning an election and who isn't. If I only read Drudge, I would not only think the race is tied but McCain is pulling out ahead at the last minute. Everybody else is saying Obama has a pretty good chance of winning.

TheMojoPin

11-01-2008, 03:32 AM

This morning Drudge says that Zogby one day polls have McCain in lead, 48-47. I have never seen a bigger discrepancy in news sources over who is winning an election and who isn't. If I only read Drudge, I would not only think the race is tied but McCain is pulling out ahead at the last minute. Everybody else is saying Obama has a pretty good chance of winning.

Silly Drudge. (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/trick-or-treat.html)

There are a couple of significant problems with this.

Firstly, there is a reason that pollsters include multiple days of interviewing in their tracking polls; a one-day sample is extremely volatile, and have very high margins for error.

Secondly, the Zogby polls have been particularly volatile, because he uses nonsensical party ID weightings, which mean that his weighting process involves making numbers doing naughty things that they usually don't like to do.

Thirdly, Zogby polls are generally a lagging rather than a leading indicator. This is because he splits his interviewing period over two days; most of the interviews that were conducted in this sample took place on Thursday night, with a few this afternoon. The reason this is significant is because lots of other pollsters were in the field on Thursday night, and most of them evidently showed good numbers for Obama, as he improved his standing in 6 of the 7 non-Zogby trackers.

Finally, there was no favorable news for McCain to drive these numbers. Polls don't move without a reason (or at least they don't move much).

thejives

11-01-2008, 06:34 AM

I will agree that she is an inspirational fig.

http://www.pickyourown.org/figs/fig.jpg

albo60s

11-01-2008, 07:45 AM

This morning Drudge says that Zogby one day polls have McCain in lead, 48-47. I have never seen a bigger discrepancy in news sources over who is winning an election and who isn't. If I only read Drudge, I would not only think the race is tied but McCain is pulling out ahead at the last minute. Everybody else is saying Obama has a pretty good chance of winning.

McCain signs outnumber Nobama by at least 8-1 out here in Waukesha county, no kidding.
A lot of the polls are skewed to reflect strength for the Democrats, don't believe them.
Go out & vote Tuesday & use your head. Don't vote because Hollywood told you to or some poster on the internet.
There are dem plants everywhere trying to skew opinion.
Put your nation first ahead of personal benefit, we'll all be ahead in the long run.

epo

11-01-2008, 10:34 AM

McCain signs outnumber Nobama by at least 8-1 out here in Waukesha county, no kidding.
A lot of the polls are skewed to reflect strength for the Democrats, don't believe them.
Go out & vote Tuesday & use your head. Don't vote because Hollywood told you to or some poster on the internet.
There are dem plants everywhere trying to skew opinion.
Put your nation first ahead of personal benefit, we'll all be ahead in the long run.

Kid, I like your enthusiasm but you are about to see more of the shift to the left, even here in Waukesha County, Wisconsin.

Kerry only carried 35% of the vote here in 2004. Obama should carry approximately 40+%. That shift alone carries the state for the Senator Obama.

And please...don't start with the "yard sign" argument. The two campaigns have such differing views on stupid yard signs that its amazing. McCain can't give them away fast enough, while Obama essentially has outsourced them.

By the way, don't be surprised if an Assembly race or two in the county tips the way of the Democrats this cycle either......

thejives

11-01-2008, 10:46 AM

Kid, I like your enthusiasm but you are about to see more of the shift to the left, even here in Waukesha County, Wisconsin.

Kerry only carried 35% of the vote here in 2004. Obama should carry approximately 40+%. That shift alone carries the state for the Senator Obama.

And please...don't start with the "yard sign" argument. The two campaigns have such differing views on stupid yard signs that its amazing. McCain can't give them away fast enough, while Obama essentially has outsourced them.

By the way, don't be surprised if an Assembly race or two in the county tips the way of the Democrats this cycle either......

Is albo60s your evil twin, epo?

epo

11-01-2008, 10:51 AM

Is albo60s your evil twin, epo?

If you mean living in the same area yet voting different and having openly discussed his willingness to sell his Brewers playoff tickets rather than attend the games....then yes.

BAD DOPPELGANGER!

thejives

11-01-2008, 11:41 AM

If you mean living in the same area yet voting different and having openly discussed his willingness to sell his Brewers playoff tickets rather than attend the games....then yes.

BAD DOPPELGANGER!

I can't wait to hear you two comment on the Obama presidency for the next 4-8 years.

epo

11-01-2008, 01:16 PM

I can't wait to hear you two comment on the Obama presidency for the next 4-8 years.

For the next 4 years we'll argue about whether there will be a second term, during the second term we'll argue about legacy.

thejives

11-01-2008, 01:35 PM

For the next 4 years we'll argue about whether there will be a second term, during the second term we'll argue about legacy.

I can see it already ...
"I've seen hardly any lawn signs for a good Obama legacy!"

KnoxHarrington

11-01-2008, 10:05 PM

Take this as you will: according to an African-American couple, quoted on the site TPM.com, McCain's targeting of voters might be misfiring a bit:

Interesting anecdote and probably a testament to ground organization. I have no idea what this means. Friday night (which happens to be the start of our Sabbath) my wife answered the phone to hear a man stating he was from the McCain-Palin campaign. He asked who she was supporting. She replied that we will vote for Obama. He replied with "but he's a fucking nigger!". Before I get to my wife's response I'll first have to say that I understand desperation and I also understand that this pitch may actually work for a few people. I also understand that there are people who are whack-jobs phone-banking for both sides. But here are some facts:

My wife and I are Black. Citing the fact that Obama is a fucking nigger as a way to sway our vote may not be a great idea. My wife and I live in Maryland... Baltimore, MD.... One of the most African American areas of Baltimore Maryland. How on earth did our phone numbers get on to a McCain volunteers phone bank list of potential voters to be calling at this stage in the game? We have never received a call from the Obama campaign.

Just weird. Not sure what to make of it... but that's not a good sign of organization. If it did anything it made us want to donate more. BTW, the rest of the call went downhill from there. My wife prayed for forgiveness after the call.

Yeah, I have my doubts this is the official position of the McCain campaign, and my guess would be this caller didn't get to call anyone else. But it does show what a poorly-run clusterfuck the McCain campaign is. And it shows how the hysteria and pathetic appeals to the worst in the electorate can lead to some people going way too far.

I mean, if they'll put Anthony on the phone, what kind of campaign are they running anyway?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/241870.php

albo60s

11-01-2008, 10:09 PM

If you mean living in the same area yet voting different and having openly discussed his willingness to sell his Brewers playoff tickets rather than attend the games....then yes.

BAD DOPPELGANGER!

I did sell 3 club seats to the first playoff game vs the Phillies for $1002. Then I attended the 2nd home playoff game for free plus had around $400 profit!
Did you see the Brewers thank you to all their loyal fans?? My tics in the loge increased $2 per seat!!! Nearly across the board price increases in a slumping economy!!!
Probably skipping my 20 packs in 2009.
I have had at least partial season tickets since 1989.
Before you call me a bad fan, you should know I have attended thousands of games since 1970. Through thick & mostly thin, I was there supporting my Brewers team. I personally chatted with George Petak at the hearing down at the war memorial for the proposed lottery game to build the new ballpark. This was in the mid 90s. We talked for 20 minutes before the public hearing. Hobbled down there on 2 broken feet. We agreed on the importance of the new baseball park & also that Lambeau field would recquire at the least, upgrading. We hit it off really well. As you will recall Petak cast the deciding vote in the state legislature that allowed Miller Park to be built. He was a good REPUBLICAN that was run out of office for that! But it saved baseball for Milwaukee & now the Brewers are very sucessful drawing over 3,000,000 in 2008.
Another example of a republican doing the right thing & being punished for it by an ignorant public!
I have never been so emotionally involved in an presidential election in my life. I honestly believe that Obama is a huge mistake, not the man so much as where he will take our nation. His evasiveness about his past, his associations, his simpleminded answers to complex deep rooted issues, his pandering to the idiots of the tv watching, text messaging generation. I fear we will never recover from 4 years of Barak Obama. I truely hope I am wrong & all you Obama supporters are right. I hope I have totally misjudged the guy.
Im not so much for McCain than passionatly AGAINST Obama!!!
One thing I think we should remember about McCain, he is a war hero & served in our military with distinction. He also is a long standing senator , highly regarded by most till this past 6 months & the presidential campaign. he deserves the respect & gratitude of the nation, not ridicule & mocking.
Myself, I'll hang on to my rentals rather than pay the increased capitol gains tax, guess I'll raise the rents to make up for my trouble. Maybe I'll even buy some additional units. With all the forclosed houses & tighter lending requirements, decent tennants should be easy to find. Theres a LOT of duplexes for sale around Waukesha & for fire sale prices.

KnoxHarrington

11-01-2008, 10:13 PM

I did sell 3 club seats to the first playoff game vs the Phillies for $1002. Then I attended the 2nd home playoff game for free plus had around $400 profit!
Did you see the Brewers thank you to all their loyal fans?? My tics in the loge increased $2 per seat!!! Nearly across the board price increases in a slumping economy!!!
Probably skipping my 20 packs in 2009.
I have had at least partial season tickets since 1989.
Before you call me a bad fan, you should know I have attended thousands of games since 1970. Through thick & mostly thin, I was there supporting my Brewers team. I personally chatted with George Petak at the hearing down at the war memorial for the proposed lottery game to build the new ballpark. This was in the mid 90s. We talked for 20 minutes before the public hearing. Hobbled down there on 2 broken feet. We agreed on the importance of the new baseball park & also that Lambeau field would recquire at the least, upgrading. We hit it off really well. As you will recall Petak cast the deciding vote in the state legislature that allowed Miller Park to be built. He was a good REPUBLICAN that was run out of office for that! But it saved baseball for Milwaukee & now the Brewers are very sucessful drawing over 3,000,000 in 2008.
Another example of a republican doing the right thing & being punished for it by an ignorant public!
I have never been so emotionally involved in an presidential election in my life. I honestly believe that Obama is a huge mistake, not the man so much as where he will take our nation. His evasiveness about his past, his associations, his simpleminded answers to complex deep rooted issues, his pandering to the idiots of the tv watching, text messaging generation. I fear we will never recover from 4 years of Barak Obama. I truely hope I am wrong & all you Obama supporters are right. I hope I have totally misjudged the guy.
Im not so much for McCain than passionatly AGAINST Obama!!!
One thing I think we should remember about McCain, he is a war hero & served in our military with distinction. He also is a long standing senator , highly regarded by most till this past 6 months & the presidential campaign. he deserves the respect & gratitude of the nation, not ridicule & mocking.
Myself, I'll hang on to my rentals rather than pay the increased capitol gains tax, guess I'll raise the rents to make up for my trouble. Maybe I'll even buy some additional units. With all the forclosed houses & tighter lending requirements, decent tennants should be easy to find. Theres a LOT of duplexes for sale around Waukesha & for fire sale prices.

Holy shit, watch a McCain or (especially) Palin rally and tell me they don't "pander". Those speeches are designed to make dumb motherfuckers pissed off. And please show me McCain and/or Palin being any more specific about policy details than Obama is. All of the details of what Obama wants to do are there, on the web site. Is he supposed to stop a rally to show us a pie chart or do a financial breakdown? Political speechmaking is, by its very nature, about rhetoric and not detail. And it's always been that way.

And saying Obama is "evasive" about his past is like the old joke "So when did you stop beating your wife?" He's answered questions about Ayers and Wright and this other Arab dude whose name escapes me. What if he's telling the truth because nothing's there? I suspect Obama could not answer the question in a way that would satisfy you, short of saying "OK, OK, me and Bill Ayers built a dirty bomb to blow up Branson, MO."

Does McCain deserve respect for his past? I suppose he does, like everyone who did their duty. But he is being rightfully mocked for an awfully-run campaign that has turned into nothing but one statement after another to scare and piss off hayseeds. So fuck him.

epo

11-01-2008, 10:20 PM

I did sell 3 club seats to the first playoff game vs the Phillies for $1002. Then I attended the 2nd home playoff game for free plus had around $400 profit!
Did you see the Brewers thank you to all their loyal fans?? My tics in the loge increased $2 per seat!!! Nearly across the board price increases in a slumping economy!!!
Probably skipping my 20 packs in 2009.
I have had at least partial season tickets since 1989.
Before you call me a bad fan, you should know I have attended thousands of games since 1970. Through thick & mostly thin, I was there supporting my Brewers team. I personally chatted with George Petak at the hearing down at the war memorial for the proposed lottery game to build the new ballpark. This was in the mid 90s. We talked for 20 minutes before the public hearing. Hobbled down there on 2 broken feet. We agreed on the importance of the new baseball park & also that Lambeau field would recquire at the least, upgrading. We hit it off really well. As you will recall Petak cast the deciding vote in the state legislature that allowed Miller Park to be built. He was a good REPUBLICAN that was run out of office for that! But it saved baseball for Milwaukee & now the Brewers are very sucessful drawing over 3,000,000 in 2008.

I don't know about the Club pricing, but my seats have an "existing SSH" vs. "New SSH" pricing.....and my pricing is exactly the same. As for Petak, he is certainly a sad case as the locals should have been smarter than that.

I have never been so emotionally involved in an presidential election in my life. I honestly believe that Obama is a huge mistake, not the man so much as where he will take our nation. His evasiveness about his past, his associations, his simpleminded answers to complex deep rooted issues, his pandering to the idiots of the tv watching, text messaging generation. I fear we will never recover from 4 years of Barak Obama. I truely hope I am wrong & all you Obama supporters are right. I hope I have totally misjudged the guy.

First of all, to call a man who was first in his class at Harvard Law "simpleminded" is misjudging the man from the start.

Im not so much for McCain than passionatly AGAINST Obama!!!
One thing I think we should remember about McCain, he is a war hero & served in our military with distinction. He also is a long standing senator , highly regarded by most till this past 6 months & the presidential campaign. he deserves the respect & gratitude of the nation, not ridicule & mocking.

I wasn't so much for Kerry as I was "against" Bush in 2004. Republican friends of mine weren't for Dole, but were "against" Clinton in 1996...and that didn't work out well. The history of our nation has a long line of "against" failure candidates.

KnoxHarrington

11-01-2008, 10:22 PM

I don't know about the Club pricing, but my seats have an "existing SSH" vs. "New SSH" pricing.....and my pricing is exactly the same. As for Petak, he is certainly a sad case as the locals should have been smarter than that.

First of all, to call a man who was first in his class at Harvard Law "simpleminded" is misjudging the man from the start.

I wasn't so much for Kerry as I was "against" Bush in 2004. Republican friends of mine weren't for Dole, but were "against" Clinton in 1996...and that didn't work out well. The history of our nation has a long line of "against" failure candidates.

The positions have flipped from 2004: the Democrat is the candidate his supporters feel passionate about and support, and the Republican is the candidate they don't really like, and didn't really want, but they have to vote for him because he's not the other guy.

And the result will flip accordingly, I believe.

(I could throw in a cheap shot about how it's rich to call a man who finished first in his class at Harvard "simpleminded" and support a man who was damn near DFL in his class at the Naval Academy, but that's just mean at this point.)

epo

11-01-2008, 10:24 PM

The positions have flipped from 2004: the Democrat is the candidate his supporters feel passionate about and support, and the Republican is the candidate they don't really like, and didn't really want, but they have to vote for him because he's not the other guy.

And the result will flip accordingly, I believe.

(I could throw in a cheap shot about how it's rich to call a man who finished first in his class at Harvard "simpleminded" and support a man who was damn near DFL in his class at West Point, but that's just mean at this point.)

Yet you ignore the ticket prices! Commie!

:tongue:

KnoxHarrington

11-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Yet you ignore the ticket prices! Commie!

:tongue:

I do like how your quote of me preserves my stupid-ass error about which service academy McCain attended that I tried to cover up.

epo

11-01-2008, 10:30 PM

I do like how your quote of me preserves my stupid-ass error about which service academy McCain attended that I tried to cover up.

But your point is so damned valid.

I was at a panel breakfast this morning and had someone pull me aside afterwards to talk about the lack of intellectualism in our government. When I told him that Obama finished #1 in his class at Harvard Law, he got a grin on his face and said "it's about time".

We need smart people in charge again and people realize that.

spoon

11-01-2008, 11:01 PM

Doesn't this thread go to bed at 9 p.m. !?!?

WTF people! Get off my thread lawn!

PapaBear

11-01-2008, 11:04 PM

Doesn't this thread go to bed at 9 p.m. !?!?

WTF people! Get off my thread lawn!
The combination of being on live TV after 11:30PM, and the change back to Standard Time must be doing serious damage to the ol' fella.

JerseySean

11-02-2008, 05:56 AM

Take this as you will: according to an African-American couple, quoted on the site TPM.com, McCain's targeting of voters might be misfiring a bit:

Yeah, I have my doubts this is the official position of the McCain campaign, and my guess would be this caller didn't get to call anyone else. But it does show what a poorly-run clusterfuck the McCain campaign is. And it shows how the hysteria and pathetic appeals to the worst in the electorate can lead to some people going way too far.

I mean, if they'll put Anthony on the phone, what kind of campaign are they running anyway?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/241870.php

I would bet this a prank call or she is just lying. I can promise you that John McCain isnt IDing voters in Baltimore.

JerseySean

11-02-2008, 05:57 AM

But your point is so damned valid.

I was at a panel breakfast this morning and had someone pull me aside afterwards to talk about the lack of intellectualism in our government. When I told him that Obama finished #1 in his class at Harvard Law, he got a grin on his face and said "it's about time".

We need smart people in charge again and people realize that.

But, remember, our last 3 Presidents were Ivy league guys. Then skip Reagan and Carter and you had Nixon who went to law school at Duke. I think were covered.

albo60s

11-02-2008, 06:02 AM

I don't know about the Club pricing, but my seats have an "existing SSH" vs. "New SSH" pricing.....and my pricing is exactly the same. As for Petak, he is certainly a sad case as the locals should have been smarter than that.

First of all, to call a man who was first in his class at Harvard Law "simpleminded" is misjudging the man from the start.

I wasn't so much for Kerry as I was "against" Bush in 2004. Republican friends of mine weren't for Dole, but were "against" Clinton in 1996...and that didn't work out well. The history of our nation has a long line of "against" failure candidates.

I read about the increases in the Journal/Sentinel. Have you received an invoice from the Brewers yet? What section are your seats in?
I don't think intelligence & wisdom necessarily go hand in hand. Obama is smart, no doubt. Will he rule with wisdom, time will tell.
Having your picture taken dining on pricey lobster at the Waldorf on your supporters contributions, not very wise.
Thinking he can TALK world leaders into changing their ways , not very wise.
Shrinking our military in dangerous times so we are dealing from a position of weakness, not very wise.
Raising taxes in a sputtering economy, not very wise.
Changing the economic template we have followed for over 200 years & made us the most prosperous nation on the planet, not very wise.

Jujubees2

11-02-2008, 06:45 AM

But, remember, our last 3 Presidents were Ivy league guys. Then skip Reagan and Carter and you had Nixon who went to law school at Duke. I think were covered.

Seriously, the only way the current Preisdent Bush got in to Yale was because he's a legacy.

GreatAmericanZero

11-02-2008, 07:06 AM

Seriously, the only way the current Preisdent Bush got in to Yale was because he's a legacy.

yeah...Obama (and Clinton) came from shit..they came from the poorhouse and worked their way up to an ivy league education

George W Bush was a legacy in Yale and got mediocre grades despite probably having access to the best tutors money can buy. To act like getting into Yale was an accomplishment for W is just ignorance about the situation. Thats it

Also, getting into a good college is one thing..but what about excelling in Ivy league? Thats a REAL accomplishment

brettmojo

11-02-2008, 09:35 AM

Also, getting into a good college is one thing..but what about excelling in Ivy league? Thats a REAL accomplishment
Hey, no one could excel like Bush jr. when it came to doing rails.

JerseySean

11-02-2008, 09:37 AM

Hey, no one could excel like Bush jr. when it came to doing rails.

there is something to be said for that

brettmojo

11-02-2008, 02:25 PM

http://cityrag.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/10/30/bride_of_mccain.jpg

K.C.

11-02-2008, 02:35 PM

thejives

11-02-2008, 07:42 PM

That SNL appearance was really funny. But the QVC opening and the Weekend Update bit really felt like a concession.

Especially the Palin 2012 shirt.

angrymissy

11-04-2008, 10:24 AM

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-john-mccain-sacrifice.jpg

Don Stugots

11-04-2008, 10:42 AM

i am watching FOX news right now and they are showing McCain speaking in Colorado LIVE and he looks and sounds exhausted. He is even slurring his words. I am sure tomorrow he is going to take a looooong nap.

yojimbo7248

11-04-2008, 10:45 AM

i am watching FOX news right now and they are showing McCain speaking in Colorado LIVE and he looks and sounds exhausted. He is even slurring his words. I am sure tomorrow he is going to take a looooong nap.

I wonder if his last minute marathon trip through swing states will backfire. What is the use of getting in front of crowds if he is so exhausted he slurs his words?

Don Stugots

11-04-2008, 10:46 AM

plus he is looking like a crazy old man. this is a bad move, i think.

A.J.

11-04-2008, 11:33 PM

The Mac is back...to the Senate.

Locky.