The Immigration Issue

[foodcourtdruide]

Move over 'Murrrrrica. You're no longer the fattest

http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.rbml?pageType=world&url=http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57592714/mexico-takes-title-of-most-obese-from-america/&catid=57592714


When tens of millions of them are here doing well,That 30 billion annually of remittances makes a country of Los Gordos

What does this have to do with immigration? This thread should be renamed "links to inane articles, so WF can justify his racism"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're a slow one.

I'll explain for you. Illegal hops fence or overstays visa. Makes mucho dinero and sends back to la familia in the form of remittances. No more relying on a staple of corn tortillas in old Mexico, They can splurge on food they probably never had before


Or was your stupid question just another excuse to cry racism?

[foodcourtdruide]

You're a slow one.

I'll explain for you. Illegal hops fence or overstays visa. Makes mucho dinero and sends back to la familia in the form of remittances. No more relying on a staple of corn tortillas in old Mexico, They can splurge on food they probably never had before


Or was your stupid question just another excuse to cry racism?

So your valid point was that the reason Mexicans were overweight was due to excess money being sent back to them from the United States? I don't know what to say. That's so ridiculously stupid for so many reasons.

[spoon]

Not to mention your last reply is laden with racist undertones and flat out bullshit as well. You just can't fucking stop that racism from oozing out of that festering wound you try to pass off as a brain.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not to mention your last reply is laden with racist undertones and flat out bullshit as well. You just can't fucking stop that racism from oozing out of that festering wound you try to pass off as a brain.



Remittances are one of the top sources of revenue for Mexico, however you find a way to associate that with racism. That's a new low even for you.

[spoon]

Great point and clearly the part i was addressing/bringing light to. You are a vapid fuck.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So your valid point was that the reason Mexicans were overweight was due to excess money being sent back to them from the United States? I don't know what to say. That's so ridiculously stupid for so many reasons.


Mexico has benefitted from sending their unwanted here for us to babysit them and their extended families and all that money has become a cash cow for them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mexicans are the highest percent of illegals here. That figure is around 70%. Out of at least 20 million illegals 14 million are from Mexico which equals mucho pesos for them south of the border

[Syd]

and we've taken advantage of Mexico through NAFTA, which has spurred illegal immigration

the free market: knows what is best for America

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not the free market. Corporatism Mexico has been providing corporate welfare by subsidizing corn and flooding the market just like here

[foodcourtdruide]

Mexicans are the highest percent of illegals here. That figure is around 70%. Out of at least 20 million illegals 14 million are from Mexico which equals mucho pesos for them south of the border

I can't believe I'm having this conversation. Please. Think as a non-racist sane person for a second.

I'm going to give you a few items to think about:
- Do you think a country who has less income is likely to have better or worse nutrition?
- The United States has about 3x higher population than Mexico, if there was a sudden influx of 3x the amount of money illegal immigrants send home to Mexico, wouldn't you think someone who said, "wow, the US just got some more money, they will gain weight!" was a complete moron?
- Please think of other reasons the Mexican population is becoming more obese that are not crazy racist ones. Tell me if they are more plausible than your theory.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can you actually follow logic and stop with the racism card? People who use that word freely are the ones that are the biggest racists. It reminds me of people who gay bash but have a couple of boy toys on the side

It's not that difficult to comprehend. Mexico has done very well by having millions of their citizens here. One result is that they have access to food they once did not have. Millions of them here enabled the ones there to become fat and happy at our expense

[WRESTLINGFAN]

PS 30 billion a year in remittances is hardly peanuts

[foodcourtdruide]

Can you actually follow logic and stop with the racism card? People who use that word freely are the ones that are the biggest racists. It reminds me of people who gay bash but have a couple of boy toys on the side

It's not that difficult to comprehend. Mexico has done very well by having millions of their citizens here. One result is that they have access to food they once did not have. Millions of them here enabled the ones there to become fat and happy at our expense

It is difficult to comprehend, because your point is stupid and full of xenophobia and racism.

I'm trying to explain to you that:
1. If the income coming in to Mexico DID have an impact on their nutrition, it would make them MORE FIT, because poverty and nutrition have a direct correlation IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
2. Linking money sent by illegal immigrants to an article THAT HAS SO LITTLE TO DO WITH THEM is a blatant sign that ANY NEGATIVE ARTICLE ABOUT MEXICO you read will be linked to further your xenophobic/racist agenda.
3. Your comment that "Mexico has done very well by having millions of people here" is SO debatable. They have literally lost a large portion of their working class. What would happen if a large percentage of America's working class just left the country? I know you can't see this point because you're racist and you don't value the lives of any Mexican, but it's why illegal immigration has significantly helped the American economy.

[foodcourtdruide]

PS 30 billion a year in remittances is hardly peanuts

I didn't say it was peanuts, but to think it has an impact on the DIET OF A NATION OF 120 MILLION is really stupid.

EDIT: Also, 30 billion?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html

More like 23, and that number is IMMIGRANTS, not just illegal immigrants.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It is difficult to comprehend, because your point is stupid and full of xenophobia and racism.

I'm trying to explain to you that:
1. If the income coming in to Mexico DID have an impact on their nutrition, it would make them MORE FIT, because poverty and nutrition have a direct correlation IN THE EXACT OPPOSITE WAY YOU'RE SAYING.
2. Linking money sent by illegal immigrants to an article THAT HAS SO LITTLE TO DO WITH THEM is a blatant sign that ANY NEGATIVE ARTICLE ABOUT MEXICO you read will be linked to further your xenophobic/racist agenda.
3. Your comment that "Mexico has done very well by having millions of people here" is SO debatable. They have literally lost a large portion of their working class. What would happen if a large percentage of America's working class just left the country? I know you can't see this point because you're racist and you don't value the lives of any Mexican, but it's why illegal immigration has significantly helped the American economy.

You don't see the correlation of the US having an obesity problem with access to all the food you want at any time of the day or night?

Your argument is a weak one about Americans leaving and going somewhere else . Where would they go to? Mexico? Try being an illegal there. Not like here where the welcome mat is rolled out

Once again your line of racism isn't holding any ground. Wanna talk racism ? How about those strings of attacks on illegals in Staten Island a few years ago. Those were done by blacks


Wanting the law enforced isn't racism. You cheapen the meaning of it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I didn't say it was peanuts, but to think it has an impact on the DIET OF A NATION OF 120 MILLION is really stupid.

EDIT: Also, 30 billion?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271455/Revealed-How-immigrants-America-sending-120-BILLION-struggling-families-home.html

More like 23, and that number is IMMIGRANTS, not just illegal immigrants.

I've seen as much as 30 billion.

Most of them are illegals who are sending money back

[foodcourtdruide]

You don't see the correlation of the US having an obesity problem with access to all the food you want at any time of the day or night?

Your argument is a weak one about Americans leaving and going somewhere else . Where would they go to? Mexico? Try being an illegal there. Not like here where the welcome mat is rolled out

Once again your line of racism isn't holding any ground. Wanna talk racism ? How about those strings of attacks on illegals in Staten Island a few years ago. Those were done by blacks


Racism is not wanting laws enforced

So, you think nations become obese because they can get food at 3am? What?

No idea what the second paragraph means.

What the FUCK do those attacks have to do with this conversation? Am I pro those attacks? Why did you bring that up?

[foodcourtdruide]

I've seen as much as 30 billion.

Most of them are illegals who are sending money back

I've seen much lower and showed you a link. Let's use my number since it's backed up by facts and not just being used to further your racist agenda.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've seen much lower and showed you a link. Let's use my number since it's backed up by facts and not just being used to further your racist agenda.



Some figures are different. How about 25 billion to average out. That's a lot of money in 1 year
Again where's the racism ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, you think nations become obese because they can get food at 3am? What?

No idea what the second paragraph means.

What the FUCK do those attacks have to do with this conversation? Am I pro those attacks? Why did you bring that up?


Yes that's a factor along with not exercising. Mexico has benefitted greatly by having their unwanted here for us to take care of


I'm bringing that up because those are the facts. I can be sure that there's more brown on brown crime but a lot of that goes unreported for fears of them being deported

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For the most part Mexicans have it made here They were not hung from trees or had crosses burned on their lawns . They weren't rounded up and put into prison camps like the Japanese were.

I'm not saying that there is no crimes done against them but to say its racism for wanting laws adhered to is just an excuse to cry racism

[Syd]

Not the free market. Corporatism Mexico has been providing corporate welfare by subsidizing corn and flooding the market just like here

free trade is one of those big ol' things that ancaps rally for

[epo]

I can't believe WF has willed this thread to 31 pages of racist gold.

Can he get us to 50?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who knows ? Maybe it will be 60 when you crawl out of your hole again

[WRESTLINGFAN]

free trade is one of those big ol' things that ancaps rally for



Nafta is an incestuous relationship btwn big business and big gov't

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm surprised the Transpacific partnership isn't grabbing that much news.

That's another faux free trade agreement

[hanso]

Looks like our drones aren't the only thing killing Arabs

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[hanso]

So your valid point was that the reason Mexicans were overweight was due to excess money being sent back to them from the United States? I don't know what to say. That's so ridiculously stupid for so many reasons.

The last few years the number of crossings have stagnated and have even declined.(negative numbers) Yet we have the rights claims that the numbers that are here went from(11 real number) 15/20/30 million.

[sailor]

Skipping the majority of the replies, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating too much, but cheap, high calorie, low nutrition foods are why people are fat. McDonald's is the typical bogeyman in these discussions. Like fcd said (I think) it's the poor people who get obese, not those benefitting from an influx of capital.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Skipping the majority of the replies, so I'm sorry if I'm repeating too much, but cheap, high calorie, low nutrition foods are why people are fat. McDonald's is the typical bogeyman in these discussions. Like fcd said (I think) it's the poor people who get obese, not those benefitting from an influx of capital.



I don't disagree with that , however the 1st paragraph of the article I posted refers to rising incomes, modern lifestyle and huge glut of consumption is a main factor.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The last few years the number of crossings have stagnated and have even declined.(negative numbers) Yet we have the rights claims that the numbers that are here went from(11 real number) 15/20/30 million.



Your government claims the number is 11 million. That number is at least double

[jimmyolsenblues]

lets say nothing happens on the immigration issue. The house stays republican , the senate stays democrat in 2014.
There are not enough white voters to elect a republican president.
No matter what.
Romney won the white vote, lost blacks, asian, hispanics.
There are not enough pro-life non-whites for the republicans to go after.

So, in my opinion, the democrats win 2016, no matter what the republicans do period.

I am for a government spending freeze.
Slash the budget.
Slash entitlements.
Slash the defense budget.

But here is the problem , the majority of people who actually vote are people on the government pay outs.

There is no way to end the cycle of moving to socialism and a transfer of equity from people who work to people who don't work, cause people who don't work vote.

[epo]

lets say nothing happens on the immigration issue. The house stays republican , the senate stays democrat in 2014.
There are not enough white voters to elect a republican president.
No matter what.
Romney won the white vote, lost blacks, asian, hispanics.
There are not enough pro-life non-whites for the republicans to go after.

So, in my opinion, the democrats win 2016, no matter what the republicans do period.

I am for a government spending freeze.
Slash the budget.
Slash entitlements.
Slash the defense budget.

But here is the problem , the majority of people who actually vote are people on the government pay outs.

There is no way to end the cycle of moving to socialism and a transfer of equity from people who work to people who don't work, cause people who don't work vote.

What else did you learn from the Ayn Rand fan club newsletter?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The house can go along with the gang bangers of 8 bill . Even better offer full amnesty , replace the bald eagle with our lady of Guadalupe and the Latinos are still going to vote for the Dems. They like big government too

[WRESTLINGFAN]

lets say nothing happens on the immigration issue. The house stays republican , the senate stays democrat in 2014.
There are not enough white voters to elect a republican president.
No matter what.
Romney won the white vote, lost blacks, asian, hispanics.
There are not enough pro-life non-whites for the republicans to go after.

So, in my opinion, the democrats win 2016, no matter what the republicans do period.

I am for a government spending freeze.
Slash the budget.
Slash entitlements.
Slash the defense budget.

But here is the problem , the majority of people who actually vote are people on the government pay outs.

There is no way to end the cycle of moving to socialism and a transfer of equity from people who work to people who don't work, cause people who don't work vote.


The warfare/welfare(including corporate) state has gotten so big it's almost impossible to wind down

[A.J.]

Slash the defense budget..

That's crazy talk.

[Syd]

lets say nothing happens on the immigration issue. The house stays republican , the senate stays democrat in 2014.
There are not enough white voters to elect a republican president.
No matter what.
Romney won the white vote, lost blacks, asian, hispanics.
There are not enough pro-life non-whites for the republicans to go after.

So, in my opinion, the democrats win 2016, no matter what the republicans do period.

I am for a government spending freeze.
Slash the budget.
Slash entitlements.
Slash the defense budget.

But here is the problem , the majority of people who actually vote are people on the government pay outs.

There is no way to end the cycle of moving to socialism and a transfer of equity from people who work to people who don't work, cause people who don't work vote.

There's nothing about America that is socialist. The closest to it is the process of socializing losses and privatizing profits. Our market is largely mixed, as it has been since the beginning of the colonies.

Plus, how do you reconcile lowering aggregate demand by reducing spending while in the middle of a weak economy? How will increasing unemployment, reducing income levels and corporate profits somehow fix the government budget?

[foodcourtdruide]

What else did you learn from the Ayn Rand fan club newsletter?

He forgot to mention that magical charities will make sure poor people don't die on the streets when they can't afford health care.

[foodcourtdruide]

The house can go along with the gang bangers of 8 bill . Even better offer full amnesty , replace the bald eagle with our lady of Guadalupe and the Latinos are still going to vote for the Dems. They like big government too

You seriously don't understand how your comments are xenophobic?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You seriously don't understand how your comments are xenophobic?



You seriously don't understand facts and logic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He forgot to mention that magical charities will make sure poor people don't die on the streets when they can't afford health care.



Yup, your federal government has wasted trillions for the war on poverty , yet the poverty rate has not plummeted in almost 50 years

More money is needed amirite?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since the 1986 Amnesty bill, Hispanics have been voting for the Democratic candidate at or near the 70% rate
even if Romney got 71% of their vote he still would have been vaporized by Obama

Yea sounds really xenophobic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's another one . A couple of weeks ago, a very moderate republican in MA who is of Colombian background , Chris Gomez who is for amnesty , gun control , gay marriage got smoked by an old white fossil Ed Markey.


Guess who got more Hispanic support?


Xenophobia!!! Quick sound the alarm

[spoon]

You seriously don't understand facts and logic.

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:wallbash:

[spoon]

Since the 1986 Amnesty bill, Hispanics have been voting for the Democratic candidate at or near the 70% rate
even if Romney got 71% of their vote he still would have been vaporized by Obama

Yea sounds really xenophobic

hey look, he made a point without it and it wipes the rest away!

MAGIC!

[spoon]

Here's another one . A couple of weeks ago, a very moderate republican in MA who is of Colombian background , Chris Gomez who is for amnesty , gun control , gay marriage got smoked by an old white fossil Ed Markey.


Guess who got more Hispanic support?


Xenophobia!!! Quick sound the alarm

still stupid

keep trying

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mr Amnesty John McCain got his ass handed to him in 2008

[WRESTLINGFAN]

still stupid

keep trying



Still facts


Swing and a miss for you

[spoon]

Still facts


Swing and a miss for you

again, that's so perfect bc THAT is what is being argued against right?

hahahaahha! fucking fool is putting it lightly

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latinos voted for Markey by a huge margin

Quit trying to spin facts.

What's next? Arguing that the Yankees don't have 27 WS titles ?

[spoon]

Latinos voted for Markey by a huge margin

Quit trying to spin facts.

What's next? Arguing that the Yankees don't have 27 WS titles ?

never ONCE touched on the vote at all, or anything within your bullshit at all outside of HOW you were discussing it

so nice work as always you slow dim witted fuck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I made a point on how they vote for the Dems by a huge margin and said even if the illegals get everything they want and more they're not going to tell the Dems to fuck off however the Foodster tried to link it to Xenophobia and failed

[spoon]

nope

you failed to distance yourself from some stupid posts as always as your smokescreen fell on its face

foody burned you to the ground bc you are pathetic

nobody once argued against the fact that latino voters have overwhelmingly voted in favor of Dems most of the time, and it's for more reasons than just the ONE area you list in such ridiculous fashion

but hey, sure that was what foody was calling xenophobic

got it WF!

hahahahaha!

WF you ignorant slut!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wrong


Foodster tried desperately to make a link between facts and Xenophobia but got called out and smoked


I see your logic is just as bad as his Rainspoon

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe FCD is actually spoon and we can call him Spoonfed

[spoon]

ah, stupidity repeated once more

get some new material...and some that holds up too

[spoon]

Wrong


Foodster tried desperately to make a link between facts and Xenophobia but got called out and smoked


I see your logic is just as bad as his Rainspoon

make a poll WF!

post your logic and fact based posts on the issue BEFORE being called out and let's see how many outside of you and Dude! vote for simple logic and that it holds up with your "focus" on said facts with no added bullshit as per your norm

go ahead

I'd love to see the vote being PUBLIC too, no blinded bullshit

[spoon]

perhaps we can even have the "gang bangers of 8" vote on this too!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why bother? Like they would read anything before voting on it

[spoon]

probably need to propose it in spanish!

we should make it our national language

seriously a GREAT idea am I right!?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

make a poll WF!

post your logic and fact based posts on the issue BEFORE being called out and let's see how many outside of you and Dude! vote for simple logic and that it holds up with your "focus" on said facts with no added bullshit as per your norm

go ahead

I'd love to see the vote being PUBLIC too, no blinded bullshit


How many pages should it be? 500, 1200?

Shall I line it with pork , riders and loopholes?

[spoon]

good on topic point wfraud

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To hell with that .

Write it in Mixteca or Quechua

[spoon]

I can't imagine you actually posting the poll right either...it'll be on some new topic that spins out of control loaded with bullshit as usual, yet you somehow hate that approach in government which is truly hilarious since you fucking LIVE IT.

It's like a constant toilet flush of ideas firing in that warped brain of yours, making a bipolar patient in the manic state look focused and controlled.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Unlike your ruling class, I don't have the power to tax and regulate your life

[spoon]

ok

thanks for the random update on that!

such a weird fuck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A weird fuck is believing the Feds can fix problems that they caused

[spoon]

thanks for new definition websterF

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Alex Wagner has the looks in her favor but she's lacking intelligence . She said on her show that the border is tens of thousands of miles long.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I'd have to give that exchange to wf. spoon, you really had nothing new, unique, or even a mildly interesting twist to offer.

:popcorn:

[foodcourtdruide]

I made a point on how they vote for the Dems by a huge margin and said even if the illegals get everything they want and more they're not going to tell the Dems to fuck off however the Foodster tried to link it to Xenophobia and failed

Woh, wait. What are you talking about?! The reason I called you xenophobic was because of your "replace the bald eagle with lady guadalupe" comment, not because you link democrats and illegal immigrants.

That comment is almost the definition of xenophobia. Replacing iconic imagery with what you are afraid of. You should look up xenophobia, you're xenophobic.

[foodcourtdruide]

Maybe FCD is actually spoon and we can call him Spoonfed

No one on this board thinks that.

[foodcourtdruide]

Wrong


Foodster tried desperately to make a link between facts and Xenophobia but got called out and smoked


I see your logic is just as bad as his Rainspoon

LOL I'm sorry, I completely missed the part where I got called out and smoked. Was it when you tried to claim that illegal immigrants sent $30b back to Mexico without ANY PROOF at all? And I posted a link claiming ALL immigrants sent back $23b to Mexico?

[foodcourtdruide]

nope

you failed to distance yourself from some stupid posts as always as your smokescreen fell on its face

foody burned you to the ground bc you are pathetic

nobody once argued against the fact that latino voters have overwhelmingly voted in favor of Dems most of the time, and it's for more reasons than just the ONE area you list in such ridiculous fashion

but hey, sure that was what foody was calling xenophobic

got it WF!

hahahahaha!

WF you ignorant slut!

When I read that he wrote that I literally had no idea that was the original context of his comment. He may as well have linked my calling him xenophobic to one of his posts about the Yankees.

"You think I'm xenophobic because I want Gardener batting 3rd? I smoke you!"

[foodcourtdruide]

I made a point on how they vote for the Dems by a huge margin and said even if the illegals get everything they want and more they're not going to tell the Dems to fuck off however the Foodster tried to link it to Xenophobia and failed

I'd be totally shocked if even the people who didn't vehemently disagree with you didn't believe you were xenophobic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Woh, wait. What are you talking about?! The reason I called you xenophobic was because of your "replace the bald eagle with lady guadalupe" comment, not because you link democrats and illegal immigrants.

That comment is almost the definition of xenophobia. Replacing iconic imagery with what you are afraid of. You should look up xenophobia, you're xenophobic.


And you're gullible to think that would actually happen ?
Can you comprehend the point I was making


I'll break it down easier for you. Give in to the demands of the illegals and be much more generous than the Senates bill and the GOP would still get slaughtered in the elections

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LOL I'm sorry, I completely missed the part where I got called out and smoked. Was it when you tried to claim that illegal immigrants sent $30b back to Mexico without ANY PROOF at all? And I posted a link claiming ALL immigrants sent back $23b to Mexico?




Ok I'll concede on Mexico but when you factor in the rest of LatAm the number is higher than that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'd be totally shocked if even the people who didn't vehemently disagree with you didn't believe you were xenophobic.



If you're still around in 2050 you are going to see real Xenophobia when they are the majority. Latinos aren't too fond of gays and people who don't believe in god

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In regards to remittances I would turn the lust for more taxes against Barack and the rest.


Want more revenue. Put a 40% tax on each dollar being wired out regardless of country

[spoon]

Alex Wagner has the looks in her favor but she's lacking intelligence . She said on her show that the border is tens of thousands of miles long.

good thing you covered her looks first

so appropriate

[spoon]

I'd have to give that exchange to wf. spoon, you really had nothing new, unique, or even a mildly interesting twist to offer.

:popcorn:

if you want new, try to teach WF to be less idiotic all the time...much less racist in his approaches and posts

can't help you there bc I can only work with the tripe WF supplies

and do u REALLY think I'm surprised you lined up with an asshole? like the you understood rule in spanish (for WF), it's just the way you both are...assholes

so tell me this smeagol, what new did WF present? what were the unique and mildly interesting twists of his racial rants filled posts that won you over? do tell, bc he's a fucking BROKEN RECORD OF RACIST BULLSHIT until you call it out and he goes on political tangents and acts like that's the only angel or tact he ever used. Yah, read back two posts from each time and we see complete regression from the theme spiraling into bullshit tact once more. He simply can't help himself, and you seemingly think he's on the up and up. Nice to see your hand at play, and it's shitty too.

[spoon]

And you're gullible to think that would actually happen ?
Can you comprehend the point I was making


I'll break it down easier for you. Give in to the demands of the illegals and be much more generous than the Senates bill and the GOP would still get slaughtered in the elections

yah, it's foody not comprehending your simplistic thought wrapped in racist language in the past

good thing u broke down the part not tied to the reasons he called you out, and acting like he ever really touched on, much less disagreed with your sophomoric take on voting blocks

[foodcourtdruide]

If you're still around in 2050 you are going to see real Xenophobia when they are the majority. Latinos aren't too fond of gays and people who don't believe in god

I'm glad you've proven to us that you aren't xenophobic.

[spoon]

I'm glad you've proven to us that you aren't xenophobic.

:lol:

[hanso]

If you're still around in 2050 you are going to see real Xenophobia when they are the majority. Latinos aren't too fond of gays and people who don't believe in god

So why haven't the christian coalition cozied up to them? They already have stronger overall numbers at the polls.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

if you want new, try to teach WF to be less idiotic all the time...much less racist in his approaches and posts

can't help you there bc I can only work with the tripe WF supplies

and do u REALLY think I'm surprised you lined up with an asshole? like the you understood rule in spanish (for WF), it's just the way you both are...assholes

so tell me this smeagol, what new did WF present? what were the unique and mildly interesting twists of his racial rants filled posts that won you over? do tell, bc he's a fucking BROKEN RECORD OF RACIST BULLSHIT until you call it out and he goes on political tangents and acts like that's the only angel or tact he ever used. Yah, read back two posts from each time and we see complete regression from the theme spiraling into bullshit tact once more. He simply can't help himself, and you seemingly think he's on the up and up. Nice to see your hand at play, and it's shitty too.

You accuse me of being a broken record but like a child you keep repeating lines of racism. You add nothing of value. People like you who just say racism can not come up with valid arguments and you resort to such bitch like tactics. You don't know what racism is or what the true definition of the word means.


Trying to link wanting the laws enforced to actual acts of racism like hanging blacks from trees or cross burnings or rounding up people and putting them in camps is a desperate attempt from people like you who add nothing to the debate. When you're confronted on this you resort to more repetitive name calling like Fuckwad

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So why haven't the christian coalition cozied up to them? They already have stronger overall numbers at the polls.



Evangelicals are cozying up to them. The evangelicals want amnesty

[spoon]

like I stated just recently

i work with the clay you provide oh racist slut

[WRESTLINGFAN]

good thing you covered her looks first

so appropriate



She also can't comprehend that people from PR are already American citizens.

[spoon]

She also can't comprehend that people from PR are already American citizens.

you forgot to tell me her weight

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah, it's foody not comprehending your simplistic thought wrapped in racist language in the past

good thing u broke down the part not tied to the reasons he called you out, and acting like he ever really touched on, much less disagreed with your sophomoric take on voting blocks



The results don't lie. Gomez got smoked and he was a moderate Latino

Pointing out that Latinos favor democrats isn't racism. It's reality

[WRESTLINGFAN]

like I stated just recently

i work with the clay you provide oh racist slut



You couldn't even shape a toilet with all the shit you spew out you repetitive cunt

[spoon]

The results don't lie. Gomez got smoked and he was a moderate Latino

Pointing out that Latinos favor democrats isn't racism. It's reality

further more it wasn't what was being pointed out AS racism you fucking ass clown

stop being a fucking idiot fool...you can't be so fucking stupid to repeat something over and over that wasn't even in question

typical

[spoon]

You couldn't even shape a toilet with all the shit you spew out you repetitive cunt

now the copy game again (essentially you just said I know you do/are, but what am I?)

boring and stupid wrapped into one wf shitroll!

[spoon]

http://static.flickr.com/3113/2635357221_b25d32f970.jpg

downhill?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you ever have an original thought. You have yet to explain what laws I can break and expect to get rewarded. Can I not pay my taxes and not get harassed by the IRS ?
Take a look at Mexicos immigration laws and see who's not being generous
How about foreigners having more rights than us and a cottage industry of grievance groups which are tax exempt
If you came here illegally on your own free will why expect favoritism

[WRESTLINGFAN]

now the copy game again (essentially you just said I know you do/are, but what am I?)

boring and stupid wrapped into one wf shitroll!



It's turning your childish tactics against you.


In regards to policy, same thing. Wanna fund all these pet projects and an unquenchable thirst for more taxes. Money wired out gets taxed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's another act of racism by your federal government. The Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882

Woodrow Wilson segregating the military.

You should be venting your anger to those acts

[SonOfSmeagol]

if you want new, try to teach WF to be less idiotic all the time...much less racist in his approaches and posts

can't help you there bc I can only work with the tripe WF supplies

and do u REALLY think I'm surprised you lined up with an asshole? like the you understood rule in spanish (for WF), it's just the way you both are...assholes

so tell me this smeagol, what new did WF present? what were the unique and mildly interesting twists of his racial rants filled posts that won you over? do tell, bc he's a fucking BROKEN RECORD OF RACIST BULLSHIT until you call it out and he goes on political tangents and acts like that's the only angel or tact he ever used. Yah, read back two posts from each time and we see complete regression from the theme spiraling into bullshit tact once more. He simply can't help himself, and you seemingly think he's on the up and up. Nice to see your hand at play, and it's shitty too.

:laugh:

your (yet another) say-absolutely-nothing lame-ass vitriolic post says it all

[hanso]

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Why won't captions work?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who knows maybe she can apply for an exemption and get to stay here. Multiple DUI's won't get an illegal deported


http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013/07/18/mom-of-9-charged-with-abusing-18-pound-4-year-old-daughter/


Of course the cunt no speaka English.

Don't worry, your Gangbang of 8 will demand they learn English

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yup Valedictorians !!!!


http://www.lex18.com/mobile2/news/man-charged-with-human-trafficking-in-woodford-county/

There will be a loophole where the animals involved in this crime can be citizens

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another one of Obama and the Gangbangers of 8 dreamers.

http://www.khou.com/news/texas-news?fId=218776961&fPath=/news/local/&fDomain=10247

[spoon]

There u go again. Never miss that chance wf, never.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Under the gangbangers bill. People with DUI convictions can stay.

Instead of addressing the drunken illegals driving epidemic you vet your hostility at me

[spoon]

Epidemic? Ok wf, that's just perfect. And who ever is for dui's, much less those that cause deaths?! Only an idiot needs validation on these for being a bad thing, and only u can link it to another racial dig and donyour norm. If you argued simply "this just shouldn't happen" and "it happens too often even if once and something needs to be done" you wouldn't get your deserved response. You're fucking cluless to say the least, but yah, how crazyof me to not agree with your one off cases from your bullshit hate rss feeds as "epidemic" and piling it on you fav too.

[Dude!]

drunken illegals driving epidemic

it's the AIDS
of the twenty-first century

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Epidemic? Ok wf, that's just perfect. And who ever is for dui's, much less those that cause deaths?! Only an idiot needs validation on these for being a bad thing, and only u can link it to another racial dig and donyour norm. If you argued simply "this just shouldn't happen" and "it happens too often even if once and something needs to be done" you wouldn't get your deserved response. You're fucking cluless to say the least, but yah, how crazyof me to not agree with your one off cases from your bullshit hate rss feeds as "epidemic" and piling it on you fav too.




Yes, it is. Unlicensed drunken illegals with no registration or insurance with no regard for the law getting behind the wheel drunk out of their minds
It's self righteous twats like you who refuse to acknowledge this problem instead like a child you try and fail to bring race into it.

Hateful rss feeds ? That article was from a regular news link.

The Senate bill allows illegals with multiple convictions to stay . Maybe if these worthless politicians read the 1200 page bill they would see it.

But hey we gotta get this passed!!

[spoon]

Yes, it is. Unlicensed drunken illegals with no registration or insurance with no regard for the law getting behind the wheel drunk out of their minds
It's self righteous twats like you who refuse to acknowledge this problem instead like a child you try and fail to bring race into it.

Hateful rss feeds ? That article was from a regular news link.

The Senate bill allows illegals with multiple convictions to stay . Maybe if these worthless politicians read the 1200 page bill they would see it.

But hey we gotta get this passed!!

still waiting on where I am for this to be pointed out, where the "epidemic" stats are and of course individual stories can come from normal sites when reporting a fucking crime, but you subscribe to feeds that scour the net and put them all together in one nice place for you to repeat and act like they are, you guessed it "epidemic". One off stories and anecdotal rundowns are NOT stats or proof you, opposite of "righteous twat" fool.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Drunken illegals killing people via DUI aren't a one off issue. Sure Americans drive drunk but why should we keep importing people who can't read or understand our laws ?
Plus with illegals who are you going to sue if you are injured ?

[spoon]

So which conversation do you want to cover now wf? You claimed epidemic, i called for proof...still waiting.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's your proof. I can already forsee you trying to twist and turn it every which way you can.


I'll even point out the notable figures for you. There are nice shiny references from NPR and your DHS even the Grey lady

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_23_1/tsc_23_1_gemma_2.shtml



In 2011, the Department of Homeland Security reported the deportation of 35,927 illegal immigrants convicted of driving under the influence

Another study, published by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, cited motor vehicle crashes as the single leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of one and 44.5 And according to an analysis by the New York Times, about 4.5 million illegal aliens in the U.S. drive on a regular basis, many without licenses or insurance, or even the ability to read road signs written in English.


It may be relevant to point out here that National Public Radio has reported:


Nationwide, Latinos rank second only to Native Americans in their alcohol death rate on the highway. The extent of the problem varies from state to state, but community leaders say it seems worse in places where Latinos have newly immigrated


Other reports of criminal behavior linking illegal aliens and automobiles include this by J.C. Grant, a Yahoo.com Contributor Network writer: “There is a statistically significant correlation between state per capita illegal immigration rates and car thefts. This correlation is particularly strong: the odds are less than two in one million that the correlation is a chance occurrence.”14 In Arizona (its illegal alien population is sixth in the nation15), Phoenix has an annual car theft rate of 57,000 vehicles and is known as the “Car Theft Capital of the World.”16 More than 71 percent of all recovered stolen cars in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California were stolen by illegal aliens or by “transport coyotes,” those who bring in illegals across the Mexican border.




The statistics keep adding up to paint a complete and consistent picture. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security report:


• 47 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 92 percent are illegal aliens.

• 63 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens.

• 66 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 98 percent are illegal aliens





Enough for you?

Beware of Drunken Illegals behind the wheel

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is just for NC


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[WRESTLINGFAN]

America's most famous drunk driver and yes he's related to Barack.




http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-c0ysEiTeFx8/T45L069F8FI/AAAAAAAAEfo/C-xHrPUNzDU/s1600/!_a_onyango-obamaIA.jpeg

[epo]

This is what WF working for a state government would look like:

http://on.jsonl.in/1ew0xOv

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Illegals compared to the Messiah ?

He should have been fired for that comment

Ironic that Huyke runs a paper called El Conquistador , doesn't he know history ? The Spaniards conquered the relatives of the illegals

[Dude!]

Steven Krieser for president!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Walker should hire an illegal to replace him


1st order of business replace all the signs with ones written En Espanol

Si Se Puede

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of illegals is Auntie Zeutuni still leeching off taxpayers in Boston ?
Fucking ungrateful cunt along with Uncle Omar should be back in Kenya

[spoon]

Here's your proof. I can already forsee you trying to twist and turn it every which way you can.


I'll even point out the notable figures for you. There are nice shiny references from NPR and your DHS even the Grey lady

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_23_1/tsc_23_1_gemma_2.shtml



In 2011, the Department of Homeland Security reported the deportation of 35,927 illegal immigrants convicted of driving under the influence

Another study, published by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, cited motor vehicle crashes as the single leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of one and 44.5 And according to an analysis by the New York Times, about 4.5 million illegal aliens in the U.S. drive on a regular basis, many without licenses or insurance, or even the ability to read road signs written in English.


It may be relevant to point out here that National Public Radio has reported:


Nationwide, Latinos rank second only to Native Americans in their alcohol death rate on the highway. The extent of the problem varies from state to state, but community leaders say it seems worse in places where Latinos have newly immigrated


Other reports of criminal behavior linking illegal aliens and automobiles include this by J.C. Grant, a Yahoo.com Contributor Network writer: “There is a statistically significant correlation between state per capita illegal immigration rates and car thefts. This correlation is particularly strong: the odds are less than two in one million that the correlation is a chance occurrence.”14 In Arizona (its illegal alien population is sixth in the nation15), Phoenix has an annual car theft rate of 57,000 vehicles and is known as the “Car Theft Capital of the World.”16 More than 71 percent of all recovered stolen cars in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California were stolen by illegal aliens or by “transport coyotes,” those who bring in illegals across the Mexican border.




The statistics keep adding up to paint a complete and consistent picture. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security report:


• 47 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 92 percent are illegal aliens.

• 63 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens.

• 66 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 98 percent are illegal aliens





Enough for you?

Beware of Drunken Illegals behind the wheel


Nope. Not even close to what i asked for. You gave me a rundown on fucking socioeconomics tied to auto theft (completely off the topic...shocker) and having a license (same). Your proof on this epidemic is the raw number with zero comparison to overall population rates, overall dui arrest numbers/percentages and of course tie in auto accidents being a top killer of latinos...guess what, same for fucking whites and EVERYONE! Complete tripe filled with extra bullshit that once again had no bearong on this discussion. Next time include jaywalking, rolling stop and parking tix please. Wtf is wrong with you?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I knew it.

Just gave you figures on illegals driving drunk and you brush it off.

9% of illegals booted out are for drunk driving along with the other factors

What's wrong with you ? Can't read English ?

It's like trying to piss up a rope with you

[spoon]

Speaking of illegals is Auntie Zeutuni still leeching off taxpayers in Boston ?
Fucking ungrateful cunt along with Uncle Omar should be back in Kenya


Back to some old standards for the fuckwad i see. So topical and poignant.

[spoon]

I knew it.

Just gave you figures on illegals driving drunk and you brush it off.

9% of illegals booted out are for drunk driving along with the other factors

What's wrong with you ? Can't read English ?

It's like trying to piss up a rope with you

You need better replies and the piss up a rope line, awful like your points.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Zeutuni basically said that it's our responsibility to babysit her.

[spoon]

And if that ONE person said that she's an ass and should be cut off...but we only focus on this one off bc of your hard on, as she hasn't been in the news in a long long time. But hey, got to get your fix right? You are the dumbest fuck on the planet.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

She's still here sucking off the taxpayer dopey.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack should be a good nephew and let her stay at that resort. Martha's Vineyard isn't too far from Boston

[spoon]

He should.

[foodcourtdruide]

Here's your proof. I can already forsee you trying to twist and turn it every which way you can.


I'll even point out the notable figures for you. There are nice shiny references from NPR and your DHS even the Grey lady

http://www.thesocialcontract.com/artman2/publish/tsc_23_1/tsc_23_1_gemma_2.shtml



In 2011, the Department of Homeland Security reported the deportation of 35,927 illegal immigrants convicted of driving under the influence

Another study, published by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, cited motor vehicle crashes as the single leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of one and 44.5 And according to an analysis by the New York Times, about 4.5 million illegal aliens in the U.S. drive on a regular basis, many without licenses or insurance, or even the ability to read road signs written in English.


It may be relevant to point out here that National Public Radio has reported:


Nationwide, Latinos rank second only to Native Americans in their alcohol death rate on the highway. The extent of the problem varies from state to state, but community leaders say it seems worse in places where Latinos have newly immigrated


Other reports of criminal behavior linking illegal aliens and automobiles include this by J.C. Grant, a Yahoo.com Contributor Network writer: “There is a statistically significant correlation between state per capita illegal immigration rates and car thefts. This correlation is particularly strong: the odds are less than two in one million that the correlation is a chance occurrence.”14 In Arizona (its illegal alien population is sixth in the nation15), Phoenix has an annual car theft rate of 57,000 vehicles and is known as the “Car Theft Capital of the World.”16 More than 71 percent of all recovered stolen cars in 2005 in Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California were stolen by illegal aliens or by “transport coyotes,” those who bring in illegals across the Mexican border.




The statistics keep adding up to paint a complete and consistent picture. The Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Homeland Security report:


• 47 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in California have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 92 percent are illegal aliens.

• 63 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in Arizona have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 97 percent are illegal aliens.

• 66 percent of cited and/or stopped drivers in New Mexico have no license, no insurance, and no registration for the vehicle. Of that number, 98 percent are illegal aliens





Enough for you?

Beware of Drunken Illegals behind the wheel

The statement you made that spoon called you out on, because it is moronic, untrue and racist was:

"drunken illegals driving epidemic"

There is only one statistic in your post that is somewhat related to proving your comment, however you KNOW it's incredibly weak. 35,000+ illegals were deported do to DUI. Aren't there typically over 1,000,000 DUI arrests a year in the US? That means roughly 3.5% of DUI's are from illegal immigrants, which if we believe how many illegal immigrants you claim there are in the US, illegal immigrants actually get DUI's at a rate LESS than everyone else.

As for the rest of your post, no one argued with you that a lot of people in CA or NM that were pulled over without licenses were illegal immigrants. Or some extremely loosely linked evidence regarding car thefts. None of this anything to do with your above statement.

I'm going to help you with this argument, in order to prove your point, you must:

1. Get the actual number of DUI arrests of illegal immigrants (not just deportations) in 2011. I'd be surprised if every single DUI of an illegal immigrant resulted in deportation, but maybe it's possible? No idea.

2. Get the total number of DUI in the United States in 2011. Was surprisingly hard to find this info in 5 minutes.

3. Do a little math, and show that the percentage of illegal immigrants that have been arrested for DUI in 2011 is actually higher than everyone else.

Then (and this is the most impossible part), think critically about the results. If the numbers are slightly higher/slightly lower, have you really proved anything? if the numbers are much higher, what is the percentage compared to people of similar socioeconomic status?

Or you could just respond to me with a bumper sticker you saw at one of the racist websites you visit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you ever have an original thought instead of racism?


If the figures and numbers offend you, too fuckin bad. It's all there in black and white


When people like you cry racism you lost the argument.

Hanging around too many Treyvon rallies?

[foodcourtdruide]

Do you ever have an original thought instead of racism?


If the figures and numbers offend you, too fuckin bad. It's all there in black and white


When people like you cry racism you lost the argument.

Hanging around too many Treyvon rallies?

Did you read my comment? Your figures and numbers didn't offend me. They didn't prove anything, except seemingly the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove.

You are a racist because you are baselessly accusing a group of people of something that you are not proving. According to every statistic you gave there is no correlation between illegal immigrants and drunk driving.

No idea what the Treyvon rallies thing meant.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The statement you made that spoon called you out on, because it is moronic, untrue and racist was:

"drunken illegals driving epidemic"

There is only one statistic in your post that is somewhat related to proving your comment, however you KNOW it's incredibly weak. 35,000+ illegals were deported do to DUI. Aren't there typically over 1,000,000 DUI arrests a year in the US? That means roughly 3.5% of DUI's are from illegal immigrants, which if we believe how many illegal immigrants you claim there are in the US, illegal immigrants actually get DUI's at a rate LESS than everyone else.

As for the rest of your post, no one argued with you that a lot of people in CA or NM that were pulled over without licenses were illegal immigrants. Or some extremely loosely linked evidence regarding car thefts. None of this anything to do with your above statement.

I'm going to help you with this argument, in order to prove your point, you must:

1. Get the actual number of DUI arrests of illegal immigrants (not just deportations) in 2011. I'd be surprised if every single DUI of an illegal immigrant resulted in deportation, but maybe it's possible? No idea.

2. Get the total number of DUI in the United States in 2011. Was surprisingly hard to find this info in 5 minutes.

3. Do a little math, and show that the percentage of illegal immigrants that have been arrested for DUI in 2011 is actually higher than everyone else.

Then (and this is the most impossible part), think critically about the results. If the numbers are slightly higher/slightly lower, have you really proved anything? if the numbers are much higher, what is the percentage compared to people of similar socioeconomic status?

Or you could just respond to me with a bumper sticker you saw at one of the racist websites you visit.

Seems like you need help.

There are 20 million illegal aliens. That's less than 10% of the population. Not all illegals drive but they comprise an alarming rate of all DUI's.

Also if you would actually use some rational thought instead of parroting a word that you abuse, you would have seen that I already posted that we have our own home grown drunk drivers. Adding in people who are here illegally and who don't know the laws and many who cant read road signs etc is an epidemic

9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving. Again about 400,000 illegals get deported annually. If you think that's not an issue then you're just irrational.

Funny you didn't want to address that illegals with multiple convictions can remain in the US with the passage of the senate bill. MADD basically endorsed this because they were not opposed.

How many DUI's or how many people need to be killed in order for illegals to be deported?


Go ahead keep parroting

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did you read my comment? Your figures and numbers didn't offend me. They didn't prove anything, except seemingly the exact opposite of what you were trying to prove.

You are a racist because you are baselessly accusing a group of people of something that you are not proving. According to every statistic you gave there is no correlation between illegal immigrants and drunk driving.

No idea what the Treyvon rallies thing meant.

Im not accusing anyone, the verdict is already out there. The numbers are from gov't agencies like DHS.


Not racism, Just pointing out the obvious, There is an alarming rate of drunken illegals getting behind the wheel.

No idea about Treyvon rallies? When he's being compared to Emitt Till and people squawking out words like modern day lynchings they think Sanford FL is Mississippi circa 1955

[foodcourtdruide]

Seems like you need help.

There are 20 million illegal aliens. That's less than 10% of the population. Not all illegals drive but they comprise an alarming rate of all DUI's.

Also if you would actually use some rational thought instead of parroting a word that you abuse, you would have seen that I already posted that we have our own home grown drunk drivers. Adding in people who are here illegally and who don't know the laws and many who cant read road signs etc is an epidemic

9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving. Again about 400,000 illegals get deported annually. If you think that's not an issue then you're just irrational.

Funny you didn't want to address that illegals with multiple convictions can remain in the US with the passage of the senate bill. MADD basically endorsed this because they were not opposed.

How many DUI's or how many people need to be killed in order for illegals to be deported?


Go ahead keep parroting

I have no idea what you think I'm parroting or if you are arguing with someone else at the same time.

I don't know how else to illustrate how off your numbers are. I'll try again:

"There are 20 million illegal aliens. That's less than 10% of the population. Not all illegals drive but they comprise an alarming rate of all DUI's."

Do you have a statistic that illustrates that the amount of illegal immigrants arrested on DUI is a rate higher than 10%? If you do, PLEASE present it. Nothing you have stated so far proves that. What does the number of car thefts have to do with it? What does the number of unlicensed drivers have to do with it? We are talking about DUI and the rate being higher for illegal immigrants than others. PLEASE show some evidence of that.

[foodcourtdruide]

Im not accusing anyone, the verdict is already out there. The numbers are from gov't agencies like DHS.


Not racism, Just pointing out the obvious, There is an alarming rate of drunken illegals getting behind the wheel.

No idea about Treyvon rallies? When he's being compared to Emitt Till and people squawking out words like modern day lynchings they think Sanford FL is Mississippi circa 1955

Good lord. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN IN ANY WAY THAT THERE IS AN ALARMING RATE OF DRUNKEN ILLEGALS GETTING BEHIND THE WHEEL.

[foodcourtdruide]

Seems like you need help.

There are 20 million illegal aliens. That's less than 10% of the population. Not all illegals drive but they comprise an alarming rate of all DUI's.

Also if you would actually use some rational thought instead of parroting a word that you abuse, you would have seen that I already posted that we have our own home grown drunk drivers. Adding in people who are here illegally and who don't know the laws and many who cant read road signs etc is an epidemic

9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving. Again about 400,000 illegals get deported annually. If you think that's not an issue then you're just irrational.

Funny you didn't want to address that illegals with multiple convictions can remain in the US with the passage of the senate bill. MADD basically endorsed this because they were not opposed.

How many DUI's or how many people need to be killed in order for illegals to be deported?


Go ahead keep parroting

i just want to show you how to make a statistical correlation. This is from wikipedia:

"The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated that in 1996 local law enforcement agencies made 1,467,300 arrests nationwide for driving under the influence of alcohol, 1 out of every 10 arrests for all crimes in the U.S"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_in_the_United_States

That is an almost EXACT correlation to this statement you made:

"9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving."

If you take ANY group of people in the United States, 10%(ish) of their arrests will be for drunk driving, regardless of their immigration status. Illegal immigrants are just as prone to drive drunk as anyone else, if you are a serious advocate against drunk driving, I have seen little-to-no proof of it on this message board, unless it involves illegal immigrants.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good lord. YOU HAVE NOT SHOWN IN ANY WAY THAT THERE IS AN ALARMING RATE OF DRUNKEN ILLEGALS GETTING BEHIND THE WHEEL.

I presented all those metrics.


Those are convictions accidents etc, theres the unknown of illegals who don't get arrested yet which are also a problem.


Lets put this in perspective. There are 2 dilemmas. Theres DUI and there are Illegal aliens who drive drunk.

Drunk driving laws in countries like Mexico are different from here. I'll talk in general terms. About 65% of illegals are from Mexico. In many Mexican states all you have to do is pay off a cop and you are on your way. Police are very corrupt in Mexico.

Illegal aliens come here for the most part not knowing our laws on DUI. Many don't have licenses registration insurance etc.

I am fully aware whites, and other races drive drunk. No ones doubting that. The issue is that we have people here who already broke the law, now they are drinking, add a vehicle and it makes it more dangerous.

Im not for giving illegals licenses, however isn't anyone telling them not to drink and drive? Citizens already know that but some still drive drunk, but if youre in a country illegally you should use all caution and not continue to break the law.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i just want to show you how to make a statistical correlation. This is from wikipedia:

"The Bureau of Justice Statistics estimated that in 1996 local law enforcement agencies made 1,467,300 arrests nationwide for driving under the influence of alcohol, 1 out of every 10 arrests for all crimes in the U.S"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk_driving_in_the_United_States

That is an almost EXACT correlation to this statement you made:

"9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving."

If you take ANY group of people in the United States, 10%(ish) of their arrests will be for drunk driving, regardless of their immigration status. Illegal immigrants are just as prone to drive drunk as anyone else, if you are a serious advocate against drunk driving, I have seen little-to-no proof of it on this message board, unless it involves illegal immigrants.

You have to look at the overall illegal alien population. 20 Million out of 315 million is less than 10% of the overall total.


I'll put this in again.


Another study, published by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, cited motor vehicle crashes as the single leading cause of death for Hispanics between the ages of one and 44.5 And according to an analysis by the New York Times, about 4.5 million illegal aliens in the U.S. drive on a regular basis, many without licenses or insurance, or even the ability to read road signs written in English.

4.5 out 20 million illegals is more than 20% that are driving illegally.

[foodcourtdruide]

I presented all those metrics.


Those are convictions accidents etc, theres the unknown of illegals who don't get arrested yet which are also a problem.


Lets put this in perspective. There are 2 dilemmas. Theres DUI and there are Illegal aliens who drive drunk.

Drunk driving laws in countries like Mexico are different from here. I'll talk in general terms. About 65% of illegals are from Mexico. In many Mexican states all you have to do is pay off a cop and you are on your way. Police are very corrupt in Mexico.

Illegal aliens come here for the most part not knowing our laws on DUI. Many don't have licenses registration insurance etc.

I am fully aware whites, and other races drive drunk. No ones doubting that. The issue is that we have people here who already broke the law, now they are drinking, add a vehicle and it makes it more dangerous.

Im not for giving illegals licenses, however isn't anyone telling them not to drink and drive? Citizens already know that but some still drive drunk, but if youre in a country illegally you should use all caution and not continue to break the law.

Sorry WF, not listening to all of your crazy bullshit. You have not in any way statistically proved that illegal immigrants commit DUI more often than anyone else. You presented a bunch of unrelated statistics.

Everything you said in your above comment is heresay at best, but mostly retarded.

Until you actually present a valid statistic that proves your point that illegal immigrants have a DUI epidemic, then I'm not replying to you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sorry WF, not listening to all of your crazy bullshit. You have not in any way statistically proved that illegal immigrants commit DUI more often than anyone else. You presented a bunch of unrelated statistics.

Everything you said in your above comment is heresay at best, but mostly retarded.

Until you actually present a valid statistic that proves your point that illegal immigrants have a DUI epidemic, then I'm not replying to you.

I didn't say that illegals cause the most DUI's. I said that there is a problem of drunken illegals many with multiple convictions, many unlicensed and that they will be allowed to stay under the Senates amnesty bill. To be fair, lets see what happens when it goes into conference with the house.

[spoon]

Seems like you need help.

There are 20 million illegal aliens. That's less than 10% of the population. Not all illegals drive but they comprise an alarming rate of all DUI's.

Also if you would actually use some rational thought instead of parroting a word that you abuse, you would have seen that I already posted that we have our own home grown drunk drivers. Adding in people who are here illegally and who don't know the laws and many who cant read road signs etc is an epidemic

9% of the illegals deported were for drunk driving. Again about 400,000 illegals get deported annually. If you think that's not an issue then you're just irrational.

Funny you didn't want to address that illegals with multiple convictions can remain in the US with the passage of the senate bill. MADD basically endorsed this because they were not opposed.

How many DUI's or how many people need to be killed in order for illegals to be deported?


Go ahead keep parroting

I finally figured it out, WF doesn't even know what epidemic means bc what you described above is not it. All the rest, just more off topic bullshit loosely tied in that just goes off on tangents bc your actual evidence is garbage. You can't just claim something is epidemic, or comprises an alarming percentage/rate, without giving actual proof. Based on everything thing you even tried to back into this, it proves the opposite...and of course that we are arguing with a fucking racist idiot. Yes WF, racist. You may THINK you can play it off as a tag line bc you hear it so often...but it fucking fits your every argument, your every bullshit joke or post in these threads and you very outlook on almost everything here. I know, I know, you once tipped a black cabbie 5 bucks so you can't be...got it.

[spoon]

I didn't say that illegals cause the most DUI's. I said that there is a problem of drunken illegals many with multiple convictions, many unlicensed and that they will be allowed to stay under the Senates amnesty bill. To be fair, lets see what happens when it goes into conference with the house.

NEW TANGENT!!!!!

Recreate the argument to fit the idiotic posts better right!?

FOR FUCKS SAKE WF!?

Can't say much more, I'll just wait to see what happens when it goes into conference with the house....you know, to be fair. :wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I finally figured it out, WF doesn't even know what epidemic means bc what you described above is not it. All the rest, just more off topic bullshit loosely tied in that just goes off on tangents bc your actual evidence is garbage. You can't just claim something is epidemic, or comprises an alarming percentage/rate, without giving actual proof. Based on everything thing you even tried to back into this, it proves the opposite...and of course that we are arguing with a fucking racist idiot. Yes WF, racist. You may THINK you can play it off as a tag line bc you hear it so often...but it fucking fits your every argument, your every bullshit joke or post in these threads and you very outlook on almost everything here. I know, I know, you once tipped a black cabbie 5 bucks so you can't be...got it.

When theres a high number of arrests and multiple DUi's and the fact that they aren't supposed to be here it's an epedimic

PS

An example of racism is saying only whites can drive

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NEW TANGENT!!!!!

Recreate the argument to fit the idiotic posts better right!?

FOR FUCKS SAKE WF!?

Can't say much more, I'll just wait to see what happens when it goes into conference with the house....you know, to be fair. :wallbash:

Even if the bill stays in place, It's still not good enough for some of the grievance groups.


Don't worry. President Clinton will sign an executive order 1/21/17 granting full amnesty.

[Dude!]

Even if the bill stays in place, It's still not good enough for some of the grievance groups.


Don't worry. President Clinton will sign an executive order 1/21/17 granting full amnesty.

don't waste your time
responding to baldie

[spoon]

When theres a high number of arrests and multiple DUi's and the fact that they aren't supposed to be here it's an epedimic

PS

An example of racism is saying only whites can drive

great example WF! what's the point?


and raw numbers attached to nothing is NOT proving a damn thing...much less context

basically now you are trying to say even if it was one it's epidemic, giving great credence to my theory you don't understand the meaning. if you said additive, or a problem that shouldn't be...hell, not sure you'd even get an objection to some sort of harsher pen for an illegal immigrant with a dui, up to and including deportation...yet you found a way to focus on stupidity and making false claims at worst and terrible backing arguments at best.

in conclusion, still a fucking idiot

[spoon]

don't waste your time
responding to baldie

this is simply priceless in every way

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

great example WF! what's the point?


and raw numbers attached to nothing is NOT proving a damn thing...much less context

basically now you are trying to say even if it was one it's epidemic, giving great credence to my theory you don't understand the meaning. if you said additive, or a problem that shouldn't be...hell, not sure you'd even get an objection to some sort of harsher pen for an illegal immigrant with a dui, up to and including deportation...yet you found a way to focus on stupidity and making false claims at worst and terrible backing arguments at best.

in conclusion, still a fucking idiot

In conclusion you still fail to see that drunken illegals (people not supposed to be here) is a huge problem and a problem that can be greatly reduced if laws were enforced for example kicking them out after the 1st conviction

[WRESTLINGFAN]

don't waste your time
responding to baldie



Did he replace Epo ?

[spoon]

And yet here we are, once again reading posts completely focused on another angle. Epidemic wf, not if it is viewed as a problem. Fool.

[spoon]

Did he replace Epo ?


Again, priceless.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That POS illegal should have been booted back to Guatemala. He has been arrested before for drug crimes. But hey we can't separate families because he has an anchor baby.
but he was able to stay and he murdered somebody

http://m.nbcwashington.com/nbcwashington/pm_107901/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=vOYbixYK


My sympathy has ran dry. These illegals came here voluntarily , they wanna have kids, they can always take them back with them. It should be their responsibility

[A.J.]

That's kind of a big story down here. I like the fact that he was high on PCP while with his infant daughter in the first place.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He didn't forget to take the kid from the car though. His excuse is weak

[spoon]

Your sympathy has run dry?! Hahahahahabahaaaaaaaa! Now THAT is funny shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea.

However the spigot to my taxes to babysit them is still running well

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack is for border security and he wants to keep illegals out after all.



http://freebeacon.com/obama-administration-considers-plan-to-bolster-mexicos-southern-border/

[A.J.]

Barack is for border security and he wants to keep illegals out after all.



http://freebeacon.com/obama-administration-considers-plan-to-bolster-mexicos-southern-border/

I think it will work. :dry:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HxsSCttRmZw/TYqIH9ByBqI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/ifIOMaA90sE/s1600/Maginot+Line+article.JPG

[spoon]

Barack is for border security and he wants to keep illegals out after all.



http://freebeacon.com/obama-administration-considers-plan-to-bolster-mexicos-southern-border/

Of course this changes everything right?! You love Obama now, well as much as any self respecting racist can love a black man that is.

And for the record, the idea is as stupid as wf, is conceived through ignorance and a complete waste of money.

[spoon]

I think it will work. :dry:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HxsSCttRmZw/TYqIH9ByBqI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/ifIOMaA90sE/s1600/Maginot+Line+article.JPG

So strange. What was the year for that?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Of course this changes everything right?! You love Obama now, well as much as any self respecting racist can love a black man that is.

And for the record, the idea is as stupid as wf, is conceived through ignorance and a complete waste of money.

Ooof!! Throwing that word around again.

doling handouts to people who shouldn't supposed to be here is a great investment? Barack is going to help Mexico with their security but Bienvenidos Amigos for this country. And!!!!! You get Amnesty it's like a double lottery winning for illegals

You still suck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Furthermore it shows that the Mexican government are a bunch of hypocrites. Keep Central Americans out but they send their unwanted here and encourage it to continue.

[Syd]

I think it will work. :dry:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HxsSCttRmZw/TYqIH9ByBqI/AAAAAAAAA3Q/ifIOMaA90sE/s1600/Maginot+Line+article.JPG

Maginot Line worked extremely well. The problem was they could just circumvent it and France's army was still organized along WWI lines (tanks support infantry) despite having much superior equipment -- the S-35 was the best tank of the war up until the T-34. The D.520 was a fantastic plane but there wasn't enough time to devise tactics to exploit the superiority of it over German planes. Their army did have a lack of quality troops but they still had one of the greatest military minds still around in Petain.

Had France been more willing to fight a second world war and been organized in a more modern fashion they'd have beat back Germany with ease.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Maginot Line worked extremely well. The problem was they could just circumvent it

it didn't work so well, then?

Had France been more willing to fight a second world war and been organized in a more modern fashion they'd have beat back Germany with ease.

they fell in like three weeks, never had a chance

[Syd]

it didn't work so well, then?

Not on a strategic level, no, but for its purpose it worked flawlessly. The Germans were unable to attack it directly.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Not on a strategic level, no, but for its purpose it worked flawlessly. The Germans were unable to attack it directly.

with the outcome, it seems like the classic "the operation was a success, but the patient died"

[Syd]

No it's just the military, hardware gets built faster than strategy. American Civil War was fought with 18th century tactics, WW1 was fought with 19th century tactics, WW2 was fought with WW1 tactics, Korea & French Indochina were fought with WW2 tactics, Vietnam was fought with Korean tactics, Afghanistan (soviet edition) was fought with Vietnamese tactics, then pretty much after that everyone started kicking the shit out of belligerents who couldn't fight back so strategy stopped mattering (though Iraq and Afghanistan, US edition, were fought using Korean tactics with a splash of Vietnam)

[SonOfSmeagol]

No it's just the military, hardware gets built faster than strategy. American Civil War was fought with 18th century tactics, WW1 was fought with 19th century tactics, WW2 was fought with WW1 tactics, Korea & French Indochina were fought with WW2 tactics, Vietnam was fought with Korean tactics, Afghanistan (soviet edition) was fought with Vietnamese tactics, then pretty much after that everyone started kicking the shit out of belligerents who couldn't fight back so strategy stopped mattering (though Iraq and Afghanistan, US edition, were fought using Korean tactics with a splash of Vietnam)

that's an interesting take - so even though creative man comes up with more and more ghastly tools to kill each other (from the rifle to gas to tanks subs bombers etc - also GPS? networking? drones?) they still use old S & T, at least at first.

[A.J.]

"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, then anything built by man can be overcome." -- General George S. Patton, Jr

[jimmyolsenblues]

The only way to curtail immigration is stop giving food stamps & access to emergency rooms.
Politicians will never curtain benefits because its how they get elected.
Hence the decline of USA.
Eventually you run out of giving away other people's people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Democrats want new voters. Republicans want cheap docile labor

I'm on the libertarian side. I'm not for open borders, that's where I have my disagreements but if people have the right to come here voluntarily, I should have the right not to babysit them and their extended families.

[foodcourtdruide]

The only way to curtail immigration is stop giving food stamps & access to emergency rooms.
Politicians will never curtain benefits because its how they get elected.
Hence the decline of USA.
Eventually you run out of giving away other people's people.

good lord

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ay Dios Mio

[spoon]

"Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man. If mountain ranges and oceans can be overcome, then anything built by man can be overcome." -- General George S. Patton, Jr

but what about hulk hogans guns when they come barreling down on you!?

Patton clearly didn't think that through.

[spoon]

The only way to curtail immigration is stop giving food stamps & access to emergency rooms.
Politicians will never curtain benefits because its how they get elected.
Hence the decline of USA.
Eventually you run out of giving away other people's people.

yes, no ER access

sounds bright

[spoon]

good lord

indeed

[spoon]

Democrats want new voters. Republicans want cheap docile labor

I'm on the libertarian side. I'm not for open borders, that's where I have my disagreements but if people have the right to come here voluntarily, I should have the right not to babysit them and their extended families.

I'm quite sure you're not to be trusted around any kids, much less your own family

[foodcourtdruide]

yes, no ER access

sounds bright

I want to live in a country where people are allowed to die of illness/injuries on the streets based on their citizenship status.

I love when people have half a thought, then type it out.

[A.J.]

I want to live in a country where people are allowed to die of illness/injuries on the streets based on their citizenship status.

I love when people have half a thought, then type it out.

Why not? U.S. citizens are already doing that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm quite sure you're not to be trusted around any kids, much less your own family



Nobody trusts you!! Kids or adults

[foodcourtdruide]

Why not? U.S. citizens are already doing that.

Huh? Not really. When U.S. citizens seek emergency medical help, they aren't turned down by ER's. I guess we can debate what the word "emergency" means.

[spoon]

half a thought is being nice, bc it sadly was a full thought but doesn't even register

I get we need to find ways to fix problems in this country, but THIS, THIS, is quite a pathetic approach

do our work for pennies, now die in the road...you know, bc you're not from here and poor

sure there is another side of this coin with those involved in nefarious things or just plain awful people which come in every size, color and creed...you know, the one angle WF posts about from his rss feed of hate. yet most are hard working people who WANT to be citizens here and make a better life for their families. create a better path, with better pay and better support by raising the min wage (more taxes paid here too), single payer/public option and of course fining companies utilizing illegals not tied to some program that includes paying into the system and you start down the right path. business looking for cheap labor and not having to care much for its ILLEGAL employees not only cause the influx, but also help create their huge medical drain on the system using the ER as their primary care.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, no ER access

sounds bright



In cases of Emergency, no one is against that

He might be eluding to the illegals having multiple anchor babies and skipping out on the bill

They should be required to pay back something. Maybe having the illegals do janitorial work or clean bedpans

[spoon]

Why not? U.S. citizens are already doing that.

yah, nobody is turned away at the ER as foody says, but to AJ's point they can wrap you up and get you out pretty controlled for the time being once they know you don't have insurance or the means to pay

sad and it perpetuates the cycle of ER abuse more and more in the long run, as problems aren't treated, they're wrapped up and sent on their way

[WRESTLINGFAN]

half a thought is being nice, bc it sadly was a full thought but doesn't even register

I get we need to find ways to fix problems in this country, but THIS, THIS, is quite a pathetic approach

do our work for pennies, now die in the road...you know, bc you're not from here and poor

sure there is another side of this coin with those involved in nefarious things or just plain awful people which come in every size, color and creed...you know, the one angle WF posts about from his rss feed of hate. yet most are hard working people who WANT to be citizens here and make a better life for their families. create a better path, with better pay and better support by raising the min wage (more taxes paid here too), single payer/public option and of course fining companies utilizing illegals not tied to some program that includes paying into the system and you start down the right path. business looking for cheap labor and not having to care much for its ILLEGAL employees not only cause the influx, but also help create their huge medical drain on the system using the ER as their primary care.

No objection to targeting employers but your other reasons I can translate into 1 sentence


Expand the already bloated government.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's a hate feed? A local NBC affiliate reporting about an illegal high on drugs who killed a woman?

[spoon]

In cases of Emergency, no one is against that

He might be eluding to the illegals having multiple anchor babies and skipping out on the bill

They should be required to pay back something. Maybe having the illegals do janitorial work or clean bedpans

your style of describing these issues leaves a ton to be desired, yet you still don't get why I call you a fucking fool and am caustic toward you?

seriously, if you said there needs to be a way for families and immigrants, legal and illegal to give something back you might have a point...have some skin in the game when they get care via charity or on the backs of those paying taxes...yet they ARE usually the janitors and cleaning ladies already...bc I'm quite sure these aren't usual open jobs at hospitals in the first place. extra help, sure it can be arranged at times, but do you propose a new mother gets on her hands and knees right after and clean those toilets!? it's not just as simple as yelling out MAKE'EM WORK IT OFF, but I didn't expect some grand thesis ripe with well thought out constructs and ideas from you I suppose. yet I did expect some thinly veiled racist content and you delivered!

[A.J.]

but do you propose a new mother gets on her hands and knees right after and clean those toilets!?

She pays back her debts AND works off that baby bump. Win-win!

[Syd]

I want to live in a country where people are allowed to die of illness/injuries on the streets based on their citizenship status.

I love when people have half a thought, then type it out.

Citizenship status doesn't determine who can be left to die/allowed to die for the glory of profit, class status does more. Look at Appalachia. Plenty of white American citizens that are churned to dust for the sake of coal mining profits.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The majority of people with skin in the game get more of a return than what they pay into when they use ITINs

Hence they have zero liability. The eitc and other credits give them a hefty tax refund

Some claim dependents like nieces and nephews in their home countries which is against the law. Last year the IRS doled out over 4 billion in those returns

[spoon]

No objection to targeting employers but your other reasons I can translate into 1 sentence


Expand the already bloated government.

you're no translator I see, bc it means affordable health care, better pay and an expansion of the middle class, bigger tax base and no stupid border fence and huge military buildup there and in the end a nice starting point to a complete overhaul of our immigration and work policies tied to it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

your style of describing these issues leaves a ton to be desired, yet you still don't get why I call you a fucking fool and am caustic toward you?

seriously, if you said there needs to be a way for families and immigrants, legal and illegal to give something back you might have a point...have some skin in the game when they get care via charity or on the backs of those paying taxes...yet they ARE usually the janitors and cleaning ladies already...bc I'm quite sure these aren't usual open jobs at hospitals in the first place. extra help, sure it can be arranged at times, but do you propose a new mother gets on her hands and knees right after and clean those toilets!? it's not just as simple as yelling out MAKE'EM WORK IT OFF, but I didn't expect some grand thesis ripe with well thought out constructs and ideas from you I suppose. yet I did expect some thinly veiled racist content and you delivered!



The father is capable of working off that debt too. The mother didn't get pregnant via immaculate conception

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you're no translator I see, bc it means affordable health care, better pay and an expansion of the middle class, bigger tax base and no stupid border fence and huge military buildup there and in the end a nice starting point to a complete overhaul of our immigration and work policies tied to it.



Single payer is your dream. So yes expanding the government

[spoon]

The father is capable of working off that debt too. The mother didn't get pregnant via immaculate conception

why yes, the father who would normally already BE the janitor or field worker, to take over his OWN job but now at no pay to pay off hospital debt they can't pay bc their employer illegally hired him in the first place and gave them less than adequate benefits to save money. so good news everyone, now we have "free" labor too as an addition to those who hate what we have already. I'm sure corps and big business will love this idea. a solution to solve a problem they've created, that allows them to be the beneficiary. great stuff

[spoon]

Single payer is your dream. So yes expanding the government

no, it's not

it's your nightmare, and a health system worth a shot here bc what we have is the most expensive mess of hot garbage and too many aren't even cared for

so yeah, call me the savage but we need to modify this which in the end would surely CUT costs on every level. I could give two shits if doing the right thing might mean another gov employee here and there, but of course that's just your angle to help keep it down as you have to create this fear for what? poor getting health coverage scares you? preventative care alone in this population, much less a simple primary care HCP setup would save BILLIONS AND BILLIONS...much less the same savings based on the cost coming down

but yes, GOV TOO BIG...aaaaaaaaaa

our population is soaring and has the gov kept up to manage it? I know your answer, but I want an actual breakdown just out of curiosity. I mean the key positions and departments that actually tie in here, not tied to education, another area of need.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is why I can't have an honest debate with you. You resort to theatrics like do you want people to die?

You are so gullible to continue to put your faith in this inept corrupt government and wanting it to manage things outside the limits of the constitution

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why yes, the father who would normally already BE the janitor or field worker, to take over his OWN job but now at no pay to pay off hospital debt they can't pay bc their employer illegally hired him in the first place and gave them less than adequate benefits to save money. so good news everyone, now we have "free" labor too as an addition to those who hate what we have already. I'm sure corps and big business will love this idea. a solution to solve a problem they've created, that allows them to be the beneficiary. great stuff



So he has the right to have multiple children but not the responsibility to pay back his debts?


Before I bought my place I moved back with my parents for 2 years to bank a shit ton of cash.
Instead of rent I contributed in other ways like snow shoveling mowing the lawn and other things like that

Asking an illegal to work some nights and weekends isn't a gulag

[spoon]

Citizenship status doesn't determine who can be left to die/allowed to die for the glory of profit, class status does more. Look at Appalachia. Plenty of white American citizens that are churned to dust for the sake of coal mining profits.

you can't debate him bc it's a fucking fact, not bc he simply exposes you as an idiot

the fucking sun does that

look into the past treatment of workers, kid included (breaker boys for example) and see how things were back then and even now with the regs broken down or even ignored. these companies in WV pretty much shit on their workers and they still aren't protected like they should. entire welsh mining families died of black lung, among many other nationalities and other ailments that could have easily been avoided. heck, look at that mining disaster where the company even MADE their workers break code and dig up too close to the river bed of the Susquehanna River...in the end killing mining for the NE PA quadrant cold

[spoon]

So he has the right to have multiple children but not the responsibility to pay back his debts?


Before I bought my place I moved back with my parents for 2 years to bank a shit ton of cash.
Instead of rent I contributed in other ways like snow shoveling mowing the lawn and other things like that

Asking an illegal to work some nights and weekends isn't a gulag

no, try a good wage and FUCKING HEALTH CARE coverage

imagine that

or perhaps they can all be so lucky to mooch after your parents well into adulthood to amass a SHIT TON of cash while mowing one lawn a week and shoveling snow 3-5 times a year until they get their own home. you know, without health care and a solid wage along the way like you had...but tell them to get ready bc this plan has a lot of applicants

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or is it that these companies pay off OSHA staff to look the other way???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no, try a good wage and FUCKING HEALTH CARE coverage

imagine that

or perhaps they can all be so lucky to mooch after your parents well into adulthood to amass a SHIT TON of cash while mowing one lawn a week and shoveling snow 3-5 times a year until they get their own home. you know, without health care and a solid wage along the way like you had...but tell them to get ready bc this plan has a lot of applicants


Who said anything about wanting sweat shop wages and stacks of corpses on the street

This government is incapable of running a railroad if single payer happens do you trust the Feds to control 18% of GDP and have a monopoly ? Spare me your answer I already know

[spoon]

Yep, you're an ass and clearly u know it.

[SonOfSmeagol]

you're no translator I see, bc it means affordable health care, better pay and an expansion of the middle class, bigger tax base and no stupid border fence and huge military buildup there and in the end a nice starting point to a complete overhaul of our immigration and work policies tied to it.

obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:

you really are comically gullible

[WRESTLINGFAN]

obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:

you really are comically gullible


He thinks Barack is going to reform higher education

Bus tours and speeches !!! Campaigning is his bread and butter

[foodcourtdruide]

obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:

you really are comically gullible


I think spoon was referring to single-payer, not Obamacare

[SonOfSmeagol]

I think spoon was referring to single-payer, not Obamacare

even better! :lol:

[spoon]

obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:

you really are comically gullible


Perhaps you should read the fucking thread before commenting bc you are way off. It is tied to many changes on top of it i brought up, even beyond single payer. But yah, jump in and add nothing as usual. WSOS

[spoon]

even better! :lol:



Nope...LOL....GA.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Zuckerberg wants more legal immigration from South Asia because he can pay them less than American techies and engineers

Someone from India who can make 60k is better for his bottom line than a kid from MIT who might get at least double

I see the Catholics and Evangelicals want more in their churches

[spoon]

Your fucking tie ins are things of idiocy. It's fantastic at times. Church!

[A.J.]

Zuckerberg wants more legal immigration from South Asia because he can pay them less than American techies and engineers

Someone from India who can make 60k is better for his bottom line than a kid from MIT who might get at least double

I see the Catholics and Evangelicals want more in their churches

Or, he could just move his business over there.

Most South Asians go to the Middle East where they are indentured servants...er, I mean "guest workers".

[SonOfSmeagol]

Perhaps you should read the fucking thread before commenting bc you are way off. It is tied to many changes on top of it i brought up, even beyond single payer. But yah, jump in and add nothing as usual. WSOS

I did and no need to flatter yourself again - you're not that deep. you really had nothing to say at all. that ridiculous statement of yours that I quoted is a joke and you offered NO PROOF of any of it ANYWHERE

carry on

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or, he could just move his business over there.

Most South Asians go to the Middle East where they are indentured servants...er, I mean "guest workers".



Southeast Asians and Pacific islanders too, especially Filipinos

[spoon]

I did and no need to flatter yourself again - you're not that deep. you really had nothing to say at all. that ridiculous statement of yours that I quoted is a joke and you offered NO PROOF of any of it ANYWHERE

carry on

you didn't read a thing as proven by your completely lost post

and your "joke", pathetic as usual and flat on its face

perhaps the proof part will be a touch tough since we're talking in theory and belief of what may help...yet, perhaps you need to read it again for the first fucking time.

sail away

[spoon]

Southeast Asians and Pacific islanders too, especially Filipinos

here comes the always insightful wfox asian business report

definitely speaking with the upmost credibility on the subject

[WRESTLINGFAN]

here comes the always insightful wfox asian business report

definitely speaking with the upmost credibility on the subject



So I was pretending to be in the Marine Corps and being deployed to different parts of the world

What's next ? Assuming that I don't know that Arabs and Iranians are a totally different culture ?

Business news? I don't know where you get yours but my sources aren't from Kudlow and The Skirts on CNBC

Way to show your ignorance dopey

[spoon]

So I was pretending to be in the Marine Corps and being deployed to different parts of the world

What's next ? Assuming that I don't know that Arabs and Iranians are a totally different culture ?

Business news? I don't know where you get yours but my sources aren't from Kudlow and The Skirts on CNBC

Way to show your ignorance dopey

yes sir, those marine business shows on asian markets tell you everything you want to know about the whore house industry...and again, tell me of your asian deployment big brain...tied to your global/macro/micro or any economic based education. my guess is you hardly made it out of fucking high school, if that.

and what would you describe ignorant or dopey about me calling out your economic knowledge background? that I don't have your marine deployment list and or outright doubt it would have any bearing on your thick skull taking in anything outside of your what you want to see as per the norm? or is it that AWESOME tie in to Iraq and Iran here that makes ZERO sense and you defended knowing to nobody some simple fact?! well done idiot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes sir, those marine business shows on asian markets tell you everything you want to know about the whore house industry...and again, tell me of your asian deployment big brain...tied to your global/macro/micro or any economic based education. my guess is you hardly made it out of fucking high school, if that.

and what would you describe ignorant or dopey about me calling out your economic knowledge background? that I don't have your marine deployment list and or outright doubt it would have any bearing on your thick skull taking in anything outside of your what you want to see as per the norm? or is it that AWESOME tie in to Iraq and Iran here that makes ZERO sense and you defended knowing to nobody some simple fact?! well done idiot.

Yea asshat I paid for a GED.


Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Anger is turning into delusion

Earlier in my career I was at an international investment bank which included an assignment overseas.I know the markets like you know being a prick

You are spewing empty rhetoric because you were called out on your ignorance

Also barely making it out of High School really doesn't cut it to join the military.


Good work dummy

[spoon]

you found a way

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You assumed I was just a grunt with a rifle who could not master basic courses and you were wrong.

[SonOfSmeagol]

you didn't read a thing as proven by your completely lost post

so your response is go back and read it again :laugh:

and your "joke", pathetic as usual and flat on its face

no, I said your post was a joke, and it still is

perhaps the proof part will be a touch tough since we're talking in theory and belief of what may help...yet, perhaps you need to read it again for the first fucking time.

nah, you'll still have nothing to say except bumper stickers sandwiched by angry juvenile insults

[spoon]

You assumed I was just a grunt with a rifle who could not master basic courses and you were wrong.

I have assumed nothing, bc I am quite confident in your idiocy and you have done little to sway that

[spoon]

no, try a good wage and FUCKING HEALTH CARE coverage

imagine that

or perhaps they can all be so lucky to mooch after your parents well into adulthood to amass a SHIT TON of cash while mowing one lawn a week and shoveling snow 3-5 times a year until they get their own home. you know, without health care and a solid wage along the way like you had...but tell them to get ready bc this plan has a lot of applicants

obamacare is going to do all that? :laugh:

you really are comically gullible

so your response is go back and read it again :laugh:



no, I said your post was a joke, and it still is



nah, you'll still have nothing to say except bumper stickers sandwiched by angry juvenile insults

you read one post, in response and tied to a long string of posts and basically said not ah!

but yah, you added so much deep content and many mature counterpoints to an string of posts linked to crazy assertions from our board's resident idiot WF. so ya, your post is the joke...and hardly even worthy of that label to be honest. so yah, :lol: indeed

especially calling out bumper sticker the other fucking way, much less you having to be told what this MIGHT have been about, versus actually reading it and seeing what it was. so you weren't even wrong from the start, you followed it up being doing it again, so obamacare, single payer to yah u resort to bumper stickers ... well done

carry on jumping in midway and looking the fool over and over

better yet, add your take on the subject you'll have to read back through 20 posts of misdirection led by our leader in clouded vision, wf first

but yah, obamacare...er single payer...er joke post

[SonOfSmeagol]

you read one post, in response and tied to a long string of posts and basically said not ah!

but yah, you added so much deep content and many mature counterpoints to an string of posts linked to crazy assertions from our board's resident idiot WF. so ya, your post is the joke...and hardly even worthy of that label to be honest. so yah, :lol: indeed

especially calling out bumper sticker the other fucking way, much less you having to be told what this MIGHT have been about, versus actually reading it and seeing what it was. so you weren't even wrong from the start, you followed it up being doing it again, so obamacare, single payer to yah u resort to bumper stickers ... well done

carry on jumping in midway and looking the fool over and over

better yet, add your take on the subject you'll have to read back through 20 posts of misdirection led by our leader in clouded vision, wf first

but yah, obamacare...er single payer...er joke post

that wasn't even the post I was referring to. :laugh: reading is fundamental

no matter, you're still flattering yourself on some compelling insights in all those wonderful posts, that somehow I'm missing. instead, it's merely more of the same yappy hot air reactive bullshit and insults, just like above. yawn

that is all

[spoon]

Says the guy who has yet to elaborate AT ALL outside of "naive", "gullible" and "hot air". So yes, you are hilariously hypocritical in your posts here. And you can't keep claiming the same shit linked to a line of posting you were ill informed of. You came in wanting to rip the Affordable Health Care Act/Obamacare and did so completely out of place. Then u went to single payer, there too you were way off and simply lacking. So yes, it was all about another post and anyone who disagrees with your phantom ideas is gullible for a plan they wanted completely different. You're yawning bc your bullshit is sleep inducing and severely lacking. Still waiting for you to actually implement your so-called fundamentals, bc right now you're just full of shit and claiming false ground. So let's here it sos, your approach, your non-gullible take on what to do or not tied to all the subject matter that was covered, or would that require actual comprehension versus your attempt to cloud this further...5 seconds and we'll have yet another bullshit side step and nothing added. Yah yah, insults, not deep blah blah blah u add nada.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wouldn't put it past these political whores to make Obamacare be written to fail. Then their excuse would be single payer

It ties into Amnesty. Legalize 20 million people , allow further chain migration , make a huge effort to take back the house hold the Senste and pass single payer.

[foodcourtdruide]

Says the guy who has yet to elaborate AT ALL outside of "naive", "gullible" and "hot air". So yes, you are hilariously hypocritical in your posts here. And you can't keep claiming the same shit linked to a line of posting you were ill informed of. You came in wanting to rip the Affordable Health Care Act/Obamacare and did so completely out of place. Then u went to single payer, there too you were way off and simply lacking. So yes, it was all about another post and anyone who disagrees with your phantom ideas is gullible for a plan they wanted completely different. You're yawning bc your bullshit is sleep inducing and severely lacking. Still waiting for you to actually implement your so-called fundamentals, bc right now you're just full of shit and claiming false ground. So let's here it sos, your approach, your non-gullible take on what to do or not tied to all the subject matter that was covered, or would that require actual comprehension versus your attempt to cloud this further...5 seconds and we'll have yet another bullshit side step and nothing added. Yah yah, insults, not deep blah blah blah u add nada.

When I was 15 I saw Rush Limbaugh on television for the first time. He was anti-Clinton and anti all liberal ideals. I guess I was a gullible kid so I was really into him for a while. He seemed totally convinced of his point, had a lot of charisma and there was a crowd completely behind him. All of his segments were well produced and to me, he just seemed legit. Higher education really opened my mind up about the world. Beginning to understand that people who worked extremely hard and lived good lives were STILL poor. I learned the term "socio-economic" and started thinking more about why certain people were in lower socio-economic" states than others. The answer of "they're just lazy" could no longer satisfy me.

SOS and WF remind me so much of the teenage version of myself. Single-payer/Universal Health Care/AHCA and even our health care system have their own merits and disadvantages. Not being able to adequately defend your position against these things beyond vague, sarcastic one-liners shows me that it hasn't really been thought out and perhaps they're just taking queues from someone with a microphone.

Especially in WF's case, the majority of his opinions are based off pure speculation and emotion, and when presented with logic and facts he simply ignores them or changes the subject. That's why he's constantly posting articles about crimes committed by illegal immigrants, or even crimes committed in Mexico in this thread. He can't (and seemingly doesn't want to) wrap his mind around the complexity of illegal immigration.

I guess for the simpleton it's easier to just feel anger and feel like the victim. I think that's what attracted me to right-wing thinking when I was a kid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

High school mentality is putting your faith into politicians and keep Thinking that their plans and reforms actually fix problems.

Hell the high school mentality got Barack elected. Anyone who didn't see thru him going back to his coming out speech at the 04 convention has not mature

Mature people will support a politician but also keep a close watch and not hold onto empty speeches and rhetoric

[foodcourtdruide]

High school mentality is putting your faith into politicians and keep Thinking that their plans and reforms actually fix problems.

Hell the high school mentality got Barack elected. Anyone who didn't see thru him going back to his coming out speech at the 04 convention has not mature

Mature people will support a politician but also keep a close watch and not hold onto empty speeches and rhetoric

Who are you talking to? I think I probably agree with spoon more than I do you, but I honestly don't see anyone on this board fully throwing their support behind Obama.

I think if you spoke to most liberals (not democrats) today they'd agree with the following statement:

"I am disappointed with Obama's presidency, because he is much more right-of-center than he presented himself during the election. However, I am still happy a republican president was not elected."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Illegal immigration isn't that complicated

These politicians want to make it more of a clusterfuck with another 1000 page bill

Enforce the laws on the books as with all other laws. If you want to make changes or tweak current laws, have at it

I'm for exceptions to fast track citizenship like military service or peace corps but it should only be for that individual

[foodcourtdruide]

Illegal immigration isn't that complicated
l

This is all I needed to read.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who are you talking to? I think I probably agree with spoon more than I do you, but I honestly don't see anyone on this board fully throwing their support behind Obama.

I think if you spoke to most liberals (not democrats) today they'd agree with the following statement:

"I am disappointed with Obama's presidency, because he is much more right-of-center than he presented himself during the election. However, I am still happy a republican president was not elected."


I was replying to your comment about being 15


If more left of center democrats wanted that agenda they would have voted for the Green party candidate.

Obama to me isn't a full blown Marxist. I never called him that . He's a corporatist with a mix of a social democrat

No politician matches 100% of their supporters needs but if they were upset about not having public option or caving into tax breaks and other factors they would have stayed home or vote for someone else

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is all I needed to read.



What I just posted is very generous.

I wouldn't have any objection to some who have the means to support themselves and aren't on means tested programs to receive residence permanent but not citizenship.

[foodcourtdruide]

I was replying to your comment about being 15


If more left of center democrats wanted that agenda they would have voted for the Green party candidate.

Obama to me isn't a full blown Marxist. I never called him that . He's a corporatist with a mix of a social democrat

No politician matches 100% of their supporters needs but if they were upset about not having public option or caving into tax breaks and other factors they would have stayed home or vote for someone else

I think most people believe that a vote for a 3rd party is more like a vote for the opposing ideology. I think more democrats were afraid of a republican president, than wanting Obama specifically to be elected (if not in 2008, then definitely in 2012).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think most people believe that a vote for a 3rd party is more like a vote for the opposing ideology. I think more democrats were afraid of a republican president, than wanting Obama specifically to be elected (if not in 2008, then definitely in 2012).



That's why our federal elections process needs to get revamped. Look at the consequences of CU. All this superPAC money going to both Mitt and Barack

As far as Rove he raised something like 300 million and his crossroads GPS only had a 1% success rate.

[foodcourtdruide]

That's why our federal elections process needs to get revamped. Look at the consequences of CU. All this superPAC money going to both Mitt and Barack

As far as Rove he raised something like 300 million and his crossroads GPS only had a 1% success rate.

I put a lot of blame on Obama for serious campaign finance reform halting. In 2008, he raised so much more money than McCain that he was against it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Primary season doesn't need to be a year and a half before the election

Cut down the debates. North of 20 is too much

[foodcourtdruide]

Primary season doesn't need to be a year and a half before the election

Cut down the debates. North of 20 is too much

I agree and cap the campaigns financially.

I have no idea how inundating the public with ridiculous campaign commercials does anything to further inform them. All it does is insure that those with the most money will be the only viable options.

Also, why do we even allow special interest groups and outside influences contribute to campaigns? As a taxpayer, it will cost me *A LOT* less if I paid for the campaign than if elected officials were making decisions based off who they were financially beholden to.

[spoon]

I wouldn't put it past these political whores to make Obamacare be written to fail. Then their excuse would be single payer

It ties into Amnesty. Legalize 20 million people , allow further chain migration , make a huge effort to take back the house hold the Senste and pass single payer.

If this was the case, which I completely doubt, it would be pathetic. Do I think it's just another way to sidetrack the ultimate issues here of the GOP trying to doom anything that comes from this admin or any not linked to them? Unfortunately yes but lines up completely to what I have heard on conservative radio which truth be told doesn't shock me you have just regurgitated up here as an independent thought. I've not only heard this on Rush, but Hannity and a few other outlet I'm not confident in which from the past...but I believe Savage and a few pundits on Fox segments and even on Bill Maher...but perhaps somewhere else.

[spoon]

Who are you talking to? I think I probably agree with spoon more than I do you, but I honestly don't see anyone on this board fully throwing their support behind Obama.

I think if you spoke to most liberals (not democrats) today they'd agree with the following statement:

"I am disappointed with Obama's presidency, because he is much more right-of-center than he presented himself during the election. However, I am still happy the republican candidates that ran for president from start to finish were not elected. They seriously offered very little in the end. "

The only thing I'd change is in red.

Our alternate to Obama was pathetic at best. No more figure heads for the neocons or big business. I guess the big business part is tied to both as always, just a lot more on the GOP side in so many ways like regulation, tax contributions and so on.

[foodcourtdruide]

The only thing I'd change is in red.

Our alternate to Obama was pathetic at best. No more figure heads for the neocons or big business. I guess the big business part is tied to both as always, just a lot more on the GOP side in so many ways like regulation, tax contributions and so on.

I agree, while I truly believe Obama is a corporatist, he's Che Guevara compared to Romney.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It isn't just the GOP who wants to have endless wars and are in the pockets of big business

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree, while I truly believe Obama is a corporatist, he's Che Guevara compared to Romney.



2008 Hope and Che-nge ?

[foodcourtdruide]

It isn't just the GOP who wants to have endless wars and are in the pockets of big business

Absolutely agree. Though I'd say one is probably more so than the other.

[spoon]

That's why our federal elections process needs to get revamped. Look at the consequences of CU. All this superPAC money going to both Mitt and Barack

As far as Rove he raised something like 300 million and his crossroads GPS only had a 1% success rate.

on the last part, it's bc he's, the party and people like you are so out of touch...only looking at most issues through some idealistic, utopian free market system for old white based American good old boy network bc it lines up with your mirror and wallet. That's not going to work moving forward outside of HUGE amounts of misdirection and money, but Rove's failure is, to me, a great sign that the traditional smear tactics and garbage simply won't work moving forward, and you have to at least feign ideas and put them forward versus just bashing other's ideas like SOS with not one point to counter.

The camp contributions point we actually agree on completely. We both "allegedly" voted for third party candidates bc we knew our fallback choice that had an actual shot overall would either win or lose our states by a wide margin (both correct on that). We need to completely nix dark money, unlimited camp donations, corp involvement and the rich steering both sides. We need short election cycles, actual equal time for true candidates and pretty much the tie of money to winning to be put to bed. The financial equation needs to change completely.

[foodcourtdruide]

on the last part, it's bc he's, the party and people like you are so out of touch...only looking at most issues through some idealistic, utopian free market system for old white based American good old boy network bc it lines up with your mirror and wallet. That's not going to work moving forward outside of HUGE amounts of misdirection and money, but Rove's failure is, to me, a great sign that the traditional smear tactics and garbage simply won't work moving forward, and you have to at least feign ideas and put them forward versus just bashing other's ideas like SOS with not one point to counter.

The camp contributions point we actually agree on completely. We both "allegedly" voted for third party candidates bc we knew our fallback choice that had an actual shot overall would either win or lose our states by a wide margin (both correct on that). We need to completely nix dark money, unlimited camp donations, corp involvement and the rich steering both sides. We need short election cycles, actual equal time for true candidates and pretty much the tie of money to winning to be put to bed. The financial equation needs to change completely.

And we need to stop thinking of short term gains. Again, as a taxpayer, I'd be much more comfortable with MY MONEY being spent, than continuing to allow nefarious groups to puppet our politicians because they own them financially.

[spoon]

What I just posted is very generous.

I wouldn't have any objection to some who have the means to support themselves and aren't on means tested programs to receive residence permanent but not citizenship.

so more advantages for the rich...and in the end, those that have no real need of moving

good stuff

[WRESTLINGFAN]

on the last part, it's bc he's, the party and people like you are so out of touch...only looking at most issues through some idealistic, utopian free market system for old white based American good old boy network bc it lines up with your mirror and wallet. That's not going to work moving forward outside of HUGE amounts of misdirection and money, but Rove's failure is, to me, a great sign that the traditional smear tactics and garbage simply won't work moving forward, and you have to at least feign ideas and put them forward versus just bashing other's ideas like SOS with not one point to counter.

The camp contributions point we actually agree on completely. We both "allegedly" voted for third party candidates bc we knew our fallback choice that had an actual shot overall would either win or lose our states by a wide margin (both correct on that). We need to completely nix dark money, unlimited camp donations, corp involvement and the rich steering both sides. We need short election cycles, actual equal time for true candidates and pretty much the tie of money to winning to be put to bed. The financial equation needs to change completely.

Do you realize most of the good old white boys are in bed with the federal government

Goldman, ADM, GM, GE, Citigroup as being examples