2011-12 NBA Season

[AHerald117]

If that's his concern, he probably should kill Father Time for letting the Celtics get old.

The Celts are going to play the O'Neals in very limited roles (may be alittle more at the start of the season with KP out), they are not asking them to be 35 min a night guys, this will work, just watch.

[Kevin]

The Celts are going to play the O'Neals in very limited roles (may be alittle more at the start of the season with KP out), they are not asking them to be 35 min a night guys, this will work, just watch.



He was great in cleve last year.

[AHerald117]

Cleveland was a one man team, I don't know who they thought Shaq was going to be. At the money they paid him I guess they were thinking he was the '00 or '01 Shaq. The C's are paying him the minimum, in the event he sucks beyond all recognition, the C's will cut him. They hold the cards.

[hanso]

I just saw where Shaq said a few other teams offered him much more. But he choice less to be with the Celt's.

[cougarjake13]

I just saw where Shaq said a few other teams offered him much more. But he choice less to be with the Celt's.



not knowing who the other teams were but choosing the celtics was prob the better choice in terms of him trying to get another ring

[hanso]

Pistons was one can't remember the other.

[Kevin]

Pistons was one can't remember the other.



Hawks

[epo]

The NBA has awarded "Mascot of the Year" to the obvious choice:

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That stunt is still fucking insane.

[Kevin]

The NBA has awarded "Mascot of the Year" to the obvious choice:

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That stunt is still fucking insane.



Thats Milwaukee's first win in like 35yrs..

When is the parade?

[epo]

Thats Milwaukee's first win in like 35yrs..

When is the parade?

More importantly we have the reigning general manager of the year. How is your GM working out?

Either way, my team hasn't won a title since 1971, yours since 1973. Neither of us have much to brag about.

[Kevin]

More importantly we have the reigning general manager of the year. How is your GM working out?

Either way, my team hasn't won a title since 1971, yours since 1973. Neither of us have much to brag about.



Fair point..

Walsh has done a pretty damn good job rebuilding the team from trash to some good young players and cap flexabilty..

Not the ideal offseason, but who knew Lebron was such a little bitch?

Your GM has done a pretty good job.

[hanso]

The more folks bitch/whine over him. The more I want him to run those folks teams into the ground.

James # 6 :king: Glory be.

[Earlshog]

The Denver Nuggets are having serious discussions about a four-way trade that would land Carmelo Anthony with the New Jersey Nets, according to sources with knowledge of the negotiations.

The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.


Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah.


The four teams, said one source close to the talks, are "seriously engaged" after extensive talks Thursday.

However, one obstacle is Anthony's willingness to sign a contract extension with the Nets. A source told ESPN.com that the Nets will not go through with the trade -- even if Denver is ready to pull the trigger -- unless Anthony commits to signing a contract extension, as Kevin Garnett did as part of the mega-trade that sent him from Minnesota to Boston in July 2007.


Because Anthony has the ability to become a free agent at season's end -- which is the hammer that has enabled his agent, Leon Rose, to apply such pressure to the Nuggets in hopes of forcing a trade before the start of the season -- New Jersey is unwilling to sacrifice assets such as Favors and Harris without a guarantee that Anthony will be there for the long term.


ESPN.com reported earlier this week that Anthony's representatives have been pushing Denver to deal the 26-year-old to New York or Chicago, his two preferred destinations, but the Knicks lack the trade assets required to tempt Denver and the Bulls have consistently refused to make center Joakim Noah available, trying instead to sell the Nuggets on a package headlined by swingman Luol Deng.

The Nuggets have offered Anthony a three-year extension worth $65 million, but he has not signed the deal.

[Snacks]

I would love for Melo to come to NJ and be our franchise player But... the Nets are giving up way too much to get him. Favors, Harris and a #1. Thats a lot for a guy who isnt a proven team leader. He will definitely make up for us not signing Lebron (Im glad they didnt get him) but you can give up the entire team fro 1 player.

[epo]

What is Denver waiting for?

Favors, Kirilenko and 2 first-rounders for a guy who wants out. That's an easy no-brainer.

[Snoogans]

What is Denver waiting for?

Favors, Kirilenko and 2 first-rounders for a guy who wants out. That's an easy no-brainer.

it doesnt matter. The nets said they wont do it unless melo signs an ext and jordan just pulled one of the charlottoe guys back and put another guy into the trade. so now its all fucked up

plus kmart told melo dont go to the nets cause no one cares

[epo]

it doesnt matter. The nets said they wont do it unless melo signs an ext and jordan just pulled one of the charlottoe guys back and put another guy into the trade. so now its all fucked up

plus kmart told melo dont go to the nets cause no one cares

Who uses K-Mart for advice?

[Snoogans]

Who uses K-Mart for advice?

someone desperately tryin NOT to go to the nets

[epo]

someone desperately tryin NOT to go to the nets

The problem for Melo is that the Knicks honestly don't have the pieces to trade for him. Either suffer in Denver, or get traded to a non-Knicks team.

Those really seem to be his options.

[Snoogans]

The problem for Melo is that the Knicks honestly don't have the pieces to trade for him. Either suffer in Denver, or get traded to a non-Knicks team.

Those really seem to be his options.

he said Chicago is ok too but the dummy bulls wont put Noah in the deal

[epo]

he said Chicago is ok too but the dummy bulls wont put Noah in the deal

I'm sure their fear is that without Noah their frontcourt and their locker room leadership would suffer greatly.

[Fillmore Slim]

he said Chicago is ok too but the dummy bulls wont put Noah in the deal


And now Noah is demanding a new contract. He wants $70 million over five years.

[Fillmore Slim]

I'm sure their fear is that without Noah their frontcourt and their locker room leadership would suffer greatly.



As for the front court, don't forget they signed Boozer.

[epo]

As for the front court, don't forget they signed Boozer.

Who ain't shit compared to Noah in terms of presence.

[Fillmore Slim]

Who ain't shit compared to Noah in terms of presence.



I'd take Melo over Noah.

[epo]

I'd take Melo over Noah.

Sure in a vacuum I would too. However that isn't how real teams that succeed win.

[Snoogans]

Sure in a vacuum I would too. However that isn't how real teams that succeed win.

i think chicago is just being greedy. they tried to build the package around deng, who they have been tryin to build packages around for like 2 years now. they are just tryin to dump weight that they dont wanna carry.

If they really wanted melo, it wouldnt be a thought. You put Noah in there, and then trade for some defensive, rebounding center, someone like a Camby type, to replace Noah. There are alot of them out there who would be willing to take that roll to play with Rose and Melo. The Bulls are just stupid.

Especially if Noah really wants a contract like that. Ship his ass out, he is a bum

[Fillmore Slim]

i think chicago is just being greedy. they tried to build the package around deng, who they have been tryin to build packages around for like 2 years now. they are just tryin to dump weight that they dont wanna carry.

If they really wanted melo, it wouldnt be a thought. You put Noah in there, and then trade for some defensive, rebounding center, someone like a Camby type, to replace Noah. There are alot of them out there who would be willing to take that roll to play with Rose and Melo. The Bulls are just stupid.

Especially if Noah really wants a contract like that. Ship his ass out, he is a bum

A little light reading

UPDATE: Alex Kennedy of HOOPSWORLD reported Saturday that instead of checking in and getting situated like Bulls players are encouraged to do before training camp starts Monday, Noah has instead gone to France in an effort to send a message to the team.

"Chicago offered a five-year, $57 million extension that remains on the table but Noah has made it clear that it'll take more to get a deal done," he wrote. "Sources close to the situation say that Noah is looking for a five-year, $70 million extension but would likely settle for $65 million because of his love for the city and organization. Either way, it appears the two sides still have a long way to go with the October 31 deadline slowly creeping up."

K.C. Johnson of the Chicago Tribune tweeted Saturday not to read too much into Noah and the Bulls not agreeing to an extension yet.

"That's how negotiations go, especially with full month to deadline," he wrote. "And that's not saying Noah for sure will sign extension by deadline. It's saying a lot can happen in a month regarding negotiations."

---

With word that the Bulls won't include Joakim Noah in a deal for Carmelo Anthony, and the Nets inching closer to landing Melo, attention could now turn to Noah's contract extension with the Bulls.

On Sept. 10, ESPN's Marc Stein reported this: "The sides have been negotiating quietly for weeks and sources close to the process say that sufficient progress has been made -- although no deal is imminent -- to all but guarantee that terms on a five-year extension will be reached before the Halloween deadline. "

But new reports this week tell a different tale.

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports wrote in a piece published Wednesday that both sides are "far apart" on an extension according to sources.

There are no assurances they'll have a resolution before the start of the season," he wrote.

Alex Kennedy of HOOPSWORLD chimed in via Twitter on Thursday, tweeting Noah "isn't happy" with the five-year, $57 million extension the Bulls offered him weeks ago.

"Noah has popped up in trade rumors but he won't be moved," Kennedy added. "The real drama unfolding is the Bulls trying to ink an extension with Noah's camp."

So while the Bulls seem committed to keeping Noah on their roster for the next several years, he apparently might be looking for more money than what's currently on the table.

Both sides have until Oct. 31 to get an extension done.

And I'll throw this in for laughs.

It's been reported that at Carmelo Anthony's wedding this summer, there was a toast that talked of making another Big Three to rival Miami's with Anthony, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Paul all playing for the Knicks in the future.

But could Paul head to the Nets instead?

Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc J. Spears of Yahoo! Sports reported Saturday night that "an immense part of Worldwide Wes' selling job on Anthony includes the scenario of the Nets signing New Orleans Hornets point guard Chris Paul in his free agency summer of 2012, sources told Yahoo! Sports."

While Stoudemire wouldn't be a part of the team, Brook Lopez's talents aren't a bad consolation prize.

With word that the four-team trade that would send Melo to the Nets is at a crossroads, don't expect this scenario to become reality for the moment.

But if it ever comes to fruition, the Nets could be poised for some serious success in a few seasons.

[Snoogans]

A little light reading



And I'll throw this in for laughs.

the problem is Jordan pulled guys back on the deal and put in new guys, so that whole 4 team thing is already fucked up

[epo]

the problem is Jordan pulled guys back on the deal and put in new guys, so that whole 4 team thing is already fucked up

Jordan is a horrible GM.

[Snoogans]

Jordan is a horrible GM.

he isnt GM he is owner now

[epo]

he isnt GM he is owner now

Come on, Rod Higgins ain't calling the shots on personnel.

[Snoogans]

Come on, Rod Higgins ain't calling the shots on personnel.

i was sayin meaning he has an even bigger spectrum of things to be terrible at

[TheGameHHH]

I've been trying to figure out all day how the media's reaction to LeBron's "decision" had anything to do with race, I just don't see it.

[Snacks]

I've been trying to figure out all day how the media's reaction to LeBron's "decision" had anything to do with race, I just don't see it.

I agree and hearing many black analyst say "it always has something to do with race" has been pissing me off all day. The funny thing is many of the white writers are agreeing with them a little too. They are all saying "it has to have had a small part to do with race". Really?

Before all this happened and most loved LeBron, did that have anything to do with his race? So when you disagree with someone who is black it has to be because hes black not because you disagree with how he handled the situation?

It amazes me more any more how the only people who continue to bring up race as an issue are the ones who do not want race to be an issue!

[Snoogans]

I agree and hearing many black analyst say "it always has something to do with race" has been pissing me off all day. The funny thing is many of the white writers are agreeing with them a little too. They are all saying "it has to have had a small part to do with race". Really?

Before all this happened and most loved LeBron, did that have anything to do with his race? So when you disagree with someone who is black it has to be because hes black not because you disagree with how he handled the situation?

It amazes me more any more how the only people who continue to bring up race as an issue are the ones who do not want race to be an issue!

same here. Shut the fuck up Jalen Rose. It wasnt about race, it was about how you sucked balls. This wasnt about race, this was about LeBron being a fag and a douche

Id like to point out just how much all those same "racists" praised Kevin Durant for his handling of his contract situation, and how no one is rippin Melo like they did bron. it was about Bron

[epo]

I've been trying to figure out all day how the media's reaction to LeBron's "decision" had anything to do with race, I just don't see it.

There may have been racists who didn't like his decision and did stupid shit, but the backlash seems to be all about him as a person.

[TheGameHHH]

There may have been racists who didn't like his decision and did stupid shit, but the backlash seems to be all about him as a person.

yes, there may have been racists in the media who didn't like his decision. there also may have been homosexuals in the media who didn't like it. there may have been pedophiles that didn't like it or there may have been jew haters who didn't like it. the bottom line is the reaction had nothing to do with race, gender, religious or sexual orientation so don't be a fucking douche and try to play the race card when this clearly had nothing to do with that.

[hanso]

The black radio sports host I heard today. Did not go down that road. He said "if it had been Steve Nash the same reaction would have happened. If the guy comes to your team you are fine with it. If Wade had left Mia.fans would be in the same boat".

When dumb stuff like this comes out. I try to let it go in one ear and out the other. It's not worth the hassle.

[Snacks]

The black radio sports host I heard today. Did not go down that road. He said "if it had been Steve Nash the same reaction would have happened. If the guy comes to your team you are fine with it. If Wade had left Mia.fans would be in the same boat".

When dumb stuff like this comes out. I try to let it go in one ear and out the other. It's not worth the hassle.

who was the sports radio guy you heard? he sounds like he is using his brains.

I dont think the people that are mad are mad because he left. Im not, I think its the way he did it. Stringing people along for years, not giving 1 indication either way at least to his Clev teammates and to the city that has loved him and the way he wanted all the attention on him even though it seems like he knew this decision for a while. He made every team and their fan base kiss his ass and beg him to come to their team, knowing he never was and it was just a game to him. I think because hes from Ohio and they way he embarrassed the city, the team, the state and all of its fans that pissed people off.

I think its because he did all that and with no class. He has ever right to do what he wants but others have the right to root against him now. Not because he black, not because he used his power or money but because he was a dick!

[hanso]

Troy Stradford

[Snacks]

Troy Stradford

Former Miami Dolphin Rookie of the year RB and Jerseys native Troy Stradford? Nice!

[KnoxHarrington]

It seems to be a particularly clumsy playing of the race card, like Lebron thinks "Hey, if I say that people who don't like this are kind of racist, people will have to start pretending to like me again."

I think he may finally be realizing how much his image has been hurt forever. If he'd stayed in Cleveland and brought them some titles, he'd have been a god, up there with Jordan. If this Heat thing isn't particularly successful -- and I'd say to be counted as such, he has to do more than just one title, he has to start a Bulls-style dynasty -- he'll go down as one of the NBA's biggest scumbags.

[KnoxHarrington]

I really liked this column on Yahoo today about how the pack of idiots Lebron James has surrounded himself with, especially manager Maverick Carter, keeps putting him in bad situations, often just as it appears things have calmed down and people might be ready to move past his mistakes over the summer:

James was moving past the summer in a natural way, and somehow his handlers have gone and made a mess of everything again.

With James, less is more. With Carter, less is too much.

Carter ought to stop crowding James on a stage where’s there’s no room for him, no good use. After all, this wasn’t about a belated damage control for LeBron, but for Maverick. Carter crafted a hit-and-run that would work to restore his crumbled standing in the marketing world. Carter wanted to change the dialogue on “The Decision” for his own good, not James’.

Yet, LeBron takes the hit again and again for his loyalty to this wrecking crew that surrounds him. They thrust James into a no-win situation, and it set him back again. And Carter? He slips back into the shadows until his next round of one-on-ones and photo spreads with Forbes and Fortune.

Purposely lost in it all, Carter slipped in some kind of half-assed admission about the television show that “the execution could’ve been a little better.” Yes, so could’ve the Bay of Pigs and the Faber College homecoming parade. This way, Carter’s on record with a vague notion of contrition, but the race angle steals the headlines and he never truly has to answer for his incompetence.

If James was committed to becoming a messenger, a crusader, for the double standards applied to NBA players, this all would’ve been a welcome entrée into that conversation. But he wanted no part of it. He ran away from his comments at Heat practice on Thursday. James doesn’t have the staying power to be the cornerstone of the discussion. This interview wasn’t orchestrated for him to make a stand, to speak his mind. Carter used James as a human shield, the way they used those Boys & Girls Club kids back in July. Hey, you can’t rip our self-aggrandizing motives for this hideous “Decision” when we’re raising money for foosball tables and new backboards.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-lebronrace100110

[Fillmore Slim]

That last line is a little douchey. $3 mil will buy more than a few "foosball tables and new backboards".

[cougarjake13]

It seems to be a particularly clumsy playing of the race card, like Lebron thinks "Hey, if I say that people who don't like this are kind of racist, people will have to start pretending to like me again."

I think he may finally be realizing how much his image has been hurt forever. If he'd stayed in Cleveland and brought them some titles, he'd have been a god, up there with Jordan. If this Heat thing isn't particularly successful -- and I'd say to be counted as such, he has to do more than just one title, he has to start a Bulls-style dynasty -- he'll go down as one of the NBA's biggest scumbags.




if they dont win a title every year with that lineup it'll be considered a failure whereas if he wins just won in cleveland he woulda been even more of a god then he already was

[hanso]

Former Miami Dolphin Rookie of the year RB and Jerseys native Troy Stradford? Nice!

Yes. The guy grows on ya. I find him better every time. WFTL 640 sports. They said they have an online stream also. Him and Andy Slater have been doing 3pm to 6 lately.

[TheGameHHH]

Anybody watching the first game tonight? Heat-Celtics, looks to be pretty good. I'm sure Snoogans is busy watching The Biggest Loser or something, but the rest of you should watch.

[hanso]

Yeah looks to be starting now.

[hammersavage]

just put in my season bets.

my fantasy roster is stellar.

couldnt be more pumped for my favorite sport.

[Snacks]

so far the heat doesnt look like a TEAM to me. I love that they are booing LeBitch every time he touches the ball! Even though he was my 1st pick in my fantasy draft I still cant stand the way he has handled the entire off season. Even his new commercial makes him look like an asshole. One thing you dont do is try to convince the world you were right when clearly everyone feels you were wrong. Another thing you dont do is try to shit on all time greats when they were only giving you their advice. try to learn from others before you. The best part of that new commercial is when his friends are talking and he says should I listen to my friends? Of course, their my friends (or something like that). No asshole listening to your friends is what got you into this mess.

[TheGameHHH]

One of the Lakers assistants, Chip, just got his championship ring. You'd think he was gettin' married or somethin'...

[King Hippos Bandaid]

good to see the Heat lose

the big men for the need to set more picks (pick and rolls) the pick and roll to Haslem & Bosh was open all day if they wanted to

way too many jump shots


this being said that they will beat 80 % of the teams even if they struggle .....

[keithy_19]

I expected the heat to lose their opener. Too much hype. They just seemed like they were going to dissapoint.

[A.J.]

You'd think after all of these years in the league that Shaq would learn how to make free throws.

[Dudeman]

The Heat last night showed everything that is wrong with the NBA. The coaching in the NBA SUCKS. One on one and pick and rolls every time down the court doesn't work. Run a f*cking offense. The Lakers and phil jackson run the triangle offense- motion offense works better than the one on one crap. It is why for little european countries could beat nba all stars- they run good team motion offenses.

[hanso]

Any ronfez.net fantasy NBA league?

[Dudeman]

The new Laker pick-ups- matt barnes and steve blake- liik like they are fitting into the team so far. It is rare and enjoyable to watch teams who have players that fit into roles and play as a team.

[cougarjake13]

just cant get into basketball anymore

too many other sports to watch

[hanso]

Maybe this will help CG


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[epo]

The new Laker pick-ups- matt barnes and steve blake- liik like they are fitting into the team so far. It is rare and enjoyable to watch teams who have players that fit into roles and play as a team.

Matt Barnes is the kind of player every good team should have a couple of. Good player, versatile, busts his ass and does whatever a coach wants.

Great pickup by the Lakers.

[epo]

So Kevin Garnett calls Charlie Villaneuva a "cancer patient"?

Seriously dude? Garnett's legacy of classlessness continues.

[underdog]

So Kevin Garnett calls Charlie Villaneuva a "cancer patient"?

Seriously dude? Garnett's legacy of classlessness continues.

http://deadspin.com/5680957/the-stupid-outrage-over-kevin-garnetts-mouth

[Dudeman]

So Kevin Garnett calls Charlie Villaneuva a "cancer patient"?

Seriously dude? Garnett's legacy of classlessness continues.

people are saying that it is offensive to cancer patients. i find it offensive to people who have alopecia universalis, like villanueva.

i don't mind trash talking, but making fun of someone's autoimmune disease seems a little unnecessary

[epo]

http://deadspin.com/5680957/the-stupid-outrage-over-kevin-garnetts-mouth

Which would be a great defense if Kevin Garnett didn't have a history of being a complete and utter bitch.

[Snoogans]

Which would be a great defense if Kevin Garnett didn't have a history of being a complete and utter bitch.

dude are you really outraged? Are you even surprised? People act like true greats would never do this. Yea Michael Jordan was such a fuckin angel on the court. Get the fuck out of here. this probably isnt even the worst thing Garnett said to Villinueva that fuckin game

KGs excuse, on the other hand, straight fuckin bitch move. Seriously, im supposed to believe that shit?

[underdog]

dude are you really outraged? Are you even surprised? People act like true greats would never do this. Yea Michael Jordan was such a fuckin angel on the court. Get the fuck out of here. this probably isnt even the worst thing Garnett said to Villinueva that fuckin game

"You fucking flaming faggot. You don't get a foul on a goddamn little touch foul, you fucking faggot. You don't bring that faggoty shit here. Get your goddamn ass back on the floor and play. I don't want to hear that fucking shit out of you again. Get your ass back and play, you faggot."

That's MJ going after someone at a practice.

KGs excuse, on the other hand, straight fuckin bitch move. Seriously, im supposed to believe that shit?[/QUOTE]

I think I'd rather be called a cancer patient than a cancer to the whole league.

[underdog]

Which would be a great defense if Kevin Garnett didn't have a history of being a complete and utter bitch.

Which should make this not surprising and a non-issue.

[Snoogans]

"You fucking flaming faggot. You don't get a foul on a goddamn little touch foul, you fucking faggot. You don't bring that faggoty shit here. Get your goddamn ass back on the floor and play. I don't want to hear that fucking shit out of you again. Get your ass back and play, you faggot."

That's MJ going after someone at a practice.





MJ going after someone at practice on his team that MJ drafted with the #1 overall pick

[Snoogans]

id also like to know what exactly Charlie did that hurt the league so bad that he is a cancer to it

[A.J.]

Congratulations to the Captain, Paul Pierce on reaching 20,000 points last night. He is only the third lifetime Celtic to reach the milestone -- Larry Bird (21,791) and John Havlicek (26,395).

[AHerald117]

id also like to know what exactly Charlie did that hurt the league so bad that he is a cancer to it

Every team he has been on sucks, that would be why Garnett kept calling Charlie a "cancer" not a "cancer patient". How would calling him a cancer patient offend someone on the basketball court? Calling someone a "cancer" to their team is much more degrading in a basketball sense.

Either way, being a Celtics fan and seeing Garnett play, I wouldn't put him above saying Charlie looks like a "cancer patient". However, who cares? Its hilarious and trash-talking is a staple in basketball. CV should stop being a little bitch and do something on the court about it. If he was so offended, his game certainly didn't show it.

And the fact that anyone believes someone with cancer gives a shit about what Garnett said is asinine. I love how other people decide what a person feels without having actually consulted them about how they, in fact, feel. God I hate this PC bullshit in this country. Everyone has to be offended. He only said it to Charlie, its between them. I highly doubt Garnett was making fun of kids with cancer, or being insensitive to them.

Grow up people. There just words.

[Snoogans]

Every team he has been on sucks, that would be why Garnett kept calling Charlie a "cancer" not a "cancer patient". How would calling him a cancer patient offend someone on the basketball court? Calling someone a "cancer" to their team is much more degrading in a basketball sense.

.

cause the person he is alleged to have called that has alopecia, and therefore no hair on his body. Like someone who is going through chemo and radiation would have

[TheGameHHH]

Isiah Thomas talking about the Knicks President job, this is awesome on so many levels:

"When I look at my GM/executive record, if I'm evaluated on that, then whoever's after Donnie, if you're not talking about some of the top people in the game, I'll put my draft evaluation record up against anyone's."

[underdog]

cause the person he is alleged to have called that has alopecia, and therefore no hair on his body. Like someone who is going through chemo and radiation would have

He does kind of look like a cancer patient.

[hanso]

good to see the Heat lose

the big men for the need to set more picks (pick and rolls) the pick and roll to Haslem & Bosh was open all day if they wanted to

way too many jump shots


this being said that they will beat 80 % of the teams even if they struggle .....

When their jumpers are on the three can score almost as much as the team they play. Like this last game Vs Nets.

[Snoogans]

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[hanso]

Yao Ming is as fragile as a vase.

[TheGameHHH]

Greg Oden is as fragile as a vase.

fixed that for you

[Dudeman]

The heat really suck. The coaching, like in most of the NBA, is terrible- one pass, clear out, forced shot

[epo]

Get on the Milwaukee Bucks bandwagon right now while there are still seats available.

Soon there won't be.

[underdog]

Ooof. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5819493)

Hey, Blazers, next time you have the #1 pick and you know who you want to pick, don't pick them.

[hanso]

Hey Bosh is back.

[cougarjake13]

Ooof. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5819493)

Hey, Blazers, next time you have the #1 pick and you know who you want to pick, don't pick them.

was trying to remember di they have the number pick and pick sam bowie all over again or did seattle have the pick and select durant ??

[epo]

was trying to remember di they have the number pick and pick sam bowie all over again or did seattle have the pick and select durant ??

Oden was 1, Durant 2.

Kind of sad really.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The heat really suck. The coaching, like in most of the NBA, is terrible- one pass, clear out, forced shot

Makes it easier for my Lakers. All they need to do is play and they are kicking ass. as the microscope will be on Miami's big 3 this season.

[cougarjake13]

Oden was 1, Durant 2.

Kind of sad really.



so they did do it again to themselves


fucking retards

[Dudeman]

Makes it easier for my Lakers. All they need to do is play and they are kicking ass. as the microscope will be on Miami's big 3 this season.

you're a Laker fan in CT?

[epo]

so they did do it again to themselves


fucking retards

Well, let's remember that Oden was a monster for his one year at Ohio State. Durant also had one year in college at Texas, but was rail thin. If you thought that either was breakable, you probably would've bet on Durant.

Plus, nearly every NBA scout works off the theory that if everything is equal, you take the larger player.

[Snoogans]

Well, let's remember that Oden was a monster for his one year at Ohio State. Durant also had one year in college at Texas, but was rail thin. If you thought that either was breakable, you probably would've bet on Durant.

Plus, nearly every NBA scout works off the theory that if everything is equal, you take the larger player.

people also love to forget about what a team needed when they took a pick. they had brandon roy and no center. they needed oden more than durant

[epo]

people also love to forget about what a team needed when they took a pick. they had brandon roy and no center. they needed oden more than durant

Absolutely. While it wasn't a slam dunk, nobody was doubting that pick on draft night.

Nobody will never know how good Oden could've been.

[underdog]

Absolutely. While it wasn't a slam dunk, nobody was doubting that pick on draft night.

Nobody will never know how good Oden could've been.

A lot of people were doubting the pick on draft night.

[Barnaby Jones]

Makes it easier for my Lakers. All they need to do is play and they are kicking ass. as the microscope will be on Miami's big 3 this season.

You're a fan of the Yankees and the Lakers?!?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're a fan of the Yankees and the Lakers?!?!

Weird, I know. However Ive always been a Lakers fan, since the Showtime days when Riley was at the Helm.

[underdog]

Weird, I know. However Ive always been a Lakers fan, since the Showtime days when Riley was at the Helm.

It's not weird. I know plenty of front runners. Are the 49ers or the Cowboys your favorite NFL team?

[epo]

A lot of people were doubting the pick on draft night.

There was some Oden/Durant chatter, but it wasn't about the "known quantity" of Oden, but rather the potential ceiling of Durant.

[Snacks]

There was some Oden/Durant chatter, but it wasn't about the "known quantity" of Oden, but rather the potential ceiling of Durant.

exactly, people thought oden was going to be the next great big man. he has never had injury problems other then a thumb in college. but even that didnt slow him down he brought his team to the ncaa championship.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not weird. I know plenty of front runners. Are the 49ers or the Cowboys your favorite NFL team?

Psst. I guessed you missed the part where I said that Ive been a fan since the Riley days. You know when Worthy, Magic, Kareem et al were on the team.

Giants fan. I despise the fucking cowboys. Americas team plays in the Bronx

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you're a Laker fan in CT?

A lot of people root for football teams outside their region. Why not basketball?

[Dudeman]

A lot of people root for football teams outside their region. Why not basketball?

not a problem at all, but alot of people outside LA hate the lakers. and i'd imagine that CT must have a fair amount of celtics fans.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

not a problem at all, but alot of people outside LA hate the lakers. and i'd imagine that CT must have a fair amount of celtics fans.

Where I live in CT its close to NY. More knicks fans in this area

[cougarjake13]

Where I live in CT its close to NY. More knicks fans in this area

im sure theres a line of delineation much like yanks sawx fans in conn.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

im sure theres a line of delineation much like yanks sawx fans in conn.

Of course. Once you get by Foxwood/Mohegan sun they are all Sox fans up there

[A.J.]

im sure theres a line of delineation much like yanks sawx fans in conn.

Generally, it's south of Hartford: NY fans. North of Hartford: Boston/NE.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im originally from NY and where I grew up in Westchester it was Mostly Yankee, Rangers Knicks fans, Same for Bx of course and Manhattan. Bklyn Queens and the Island are Mets, Jets, Islanders, Nets for the most part

[cougarjake13]

Im originally from NY and where I grew up in Westchester it was Mostly Yankee, Rangers Knicks fans, Same for Bx of course and Manhattan. Bklyn Queens and the Island are Mets, Jets, Islanders, Nets for the most part

that is mostly true

although growing up in staten island i was a giants, mets, knicks, rangers fan

[hanso]

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/4796/2946019.jpg

Flash & Smash

Wade drove the lane dropped it behind the back for a James slam dunk.

[underdog]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/500x_celticsknicks.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/500x_celticsknicks.jpg

he'll get his. Dont cry when he gets laid out and gets to pretend he blew his knee again

[hanso]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/500x_celticsknicks.jpg


'Paw pew honda moo!'

Tim Hardaway


Best call ever, too bad he didn't do more. Translation Paul Pierce is on the move.

[hanso]

Knicks will be lucky too loose by 10 to the Heat. As did Epo's mighty Bucks.

[Snoogans]

Knicks will be lucky too loose by 10 to the Heat. As did Epo's mighty Bucks.

some nights shots dont go in. happens that way

[Dudeman]

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2010/12/500x_celticsknicks.jpg

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2010/06/18/1276842302_8057/539w.jpg

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/davis_18celtics51_spts.jpg

http://theslimdiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Kobe-Bryant-and-his-Lakers-teammates-begin-to-celebrate.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

some nights shots dont go in. happens that way

it's not that simple. they played them tight for the first half but now it's officially alright to put the Heat in the upper echelon of the East. Right now Miami is just better than New York, plain and simple. Maybe it's a different story when Melo comes aboard but for now there's a clear discrepancy.

[cougarjake13]

magic completely re vamping their roster


in seperate trades looks like gilbert arenas is coming in


and hedo turkolu and others

[Snoogans]

it's not that simple. they played them tight for the first half but now it's officially alright to put the Heat in the upper echelon of the East. Right now Miami is just better than New York, plain and simple. Maybe it's a different story when Melo comes aboard but for now there's a clear discrepancy.

of course they are. No one, not knicks fans anyway, ever really said they werent. This was a gauge for us to see where we are at.

I worry about the minutes. I think the dope head coach is running us into the floor. Amare and felton especially looked really tired last night. the run the knicks went on to keep it close was with basically all guards on the floor. I think they are just playin too many minutes. It will help some when Buke gets back to get to rest felton instead of having to play him with toney douglas but they need someone who can play good minutes inside to rest amare.

Turiaf cant score enough to rest amare and he has been banged up. Mozgov is the worst basketball player I have ever seen. He cant even catch a ball. They have Wilson Chandler starting at the 4, have for most of the winning streak. The celtics banged them around inside and I just wonder if they arent losing their legs a bit. Chandler has actually really impressed me with how much bangin and energy he is using on defense every night and then still managing to score.

With Melo, things would be better but if they have to give up alot, it will still be another year or 2 before they are deep enough. But Melo will immediately help in that you would be able to take Amare out for longer stretches and still score and then rest melo when amare is in. That would automatically be a huge help just for that

[Snoogans]

magic completely re vamping their roster


in seperate trades looks like gilbert arenas is coming in


and hedo turkolu and others

they get turkalu, j rich, and if they do the gilbert deal, and lose vince, pietrus, rashard lewis (if they get gilbert) and Gortat. It seems like a slight upgrade but i dont see how this makes them a ton better. they are mosting replacing shit with the same kinda shit

[underdog]

they get turkalu, j rich, and if they do the gilbert deal, and lose vince, pietrus, rashard lewis (if they get gilbert) and Gortat. It seems like a slight upgrade but i dont see how this makes them a ton better. they are mosting replacing shit with the same kinda shit

They're getting rid of Vince Carter, so that is probably a good thing if they want to win.

[A.J.]

http://cache.boston.com/resize/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2010/06/18/1276842302_8057/539w.jpg

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/davis_18celtics51_spts.jpg

http://theslimdiva.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Kobe-Bryant-and-his-Lakers-teammates-begin-to-celebrate.jpg

It would have been a different ending if Kendrick Perkins wasn't hurt.

[A.J.]

magic completely re vamping their roster


in seperate trades looks like gilbert arenas is coming in


and hedo turkolu and others

they get turkalu, j rich, and if they do the gilbert deal, and lose vince, pietrus, rashard lewis (if they get gilbert) and Gortat. It seems like a slight upgrade but i dont see how this makes them a ton better. they are mosting replacing shit with the same kinda shit

Exactly. The whole point for the Wizards trading Gilbert was to get something in return (e.g. draft picks) while he was still valuable. So basically they let him go for nothing.

Same ol' Les Boulez.

[underdog]

Remember when people thought Blake Griffin wasn't going to recover and just be another #1 bust?

[A.J.]

Remember when people thought Blake Griffin wasn't going to recover and just be another #1 bust?

It IS the Clippers after all.

[Snacks]

Remember when people thought Blake Griffin wasn't going to recover and just be another #1 bust?

No! I remember when they said it sucked for him being drafted by the Clippers but I dont think anyone ever mentioned he wouldnt recover. He was preseason rookie of the year leader along with Wall. Many even thought he shouldnt be able to win it because he at least knew what it was like to travel with the pros even though he didnt play.

[Snoogans]

No! I remember when they said it sucked for him being drafted by the Clippers but I dont think anyone ever mentioned he wouldnt recover. He was preseason rookie of the year leader along with Wall. Many even thought he shouldnt be able to win it because he at least knew what it was like to travel with the pros even though he didnt play.

so what. You are allowed to play some and still be a rookie in baseball. 140 ABs or something, so who cares, the kid never played, he is still a rookie

[Snacks]

so what. You are allowed to play some and still be a rookie in baseball. 140 ABs or something, so who cares, the kid never played, he is still a rookie

Did I say I agreed with them? my point was that others said that and that no one thought he wouldnt return and be a stud by making those statements they actually knew he would!

I think he should and will win rookie of the year!

[epo]

They're getting rid of Vince Carter, so that is probably a good thing if they want to win.

I never understood why Orlando would allow him in the same locker room as Dwight Howard to begin with.

[hanso]

I like the trade they played well the second game. Lost to the Mavs. But at least kept it close.

[cougarjake13]

so what. You are allowed to play some and still be a rookie in baseball. 140 ABs or something, so who cares, the kid never played, he is still a rookie

pretty close snoogs


Fewer than 130 at bats and 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues or
Fewer than 45 days on the active rosters of Major League clubs
(excluding DL time or any time after rosters are expanded on September 1st)

[hanso]

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den nug xmas video w/subs

[TheGameHHH]

How does Hedo Turkoglu go to Toronto, suck balls, then come back to Orlando and become 2009 Turkoglu again? Is he like the NBA version of Deion Branch?

[cougarjake13]

How does Hedo Turkoglu go to Toronto, suck balls, then come back to Orlando and become 2009 Turkoglu again? Is he like the NBA version of Deion Branch?

yes


wasn that good in phx either

[razorboy]

How does Hedo Turkoglu go to Toronto, suck balls, then come back to Orlando and become 2009 Turkoglu again? Is he like the NBA version of Deion Branch?

He went to two teams where he would never get the handle enough. He only works when he's allowed to play point forward.

[underdog]

How does Hedo Turkoglu go to Toronto, suck balls, then come back to Orlando and become 2009 Turkoglu again? Is he like the NBA version of Deion Branch?

To be fair, I've been pretty terrible ever since I went to Toronto. I'm hoping to get back to Boston soon and go back to my 2009 ways.

[underdog]

Blake Griffin to be in the Slam Dunk Contest. I will be watching.

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[cougarjake13]

blakes gotta win

[Snoogans]

They said before the Knicks game last night that Landry Fields won ROTM for December, his 2nd ROTM award. I am a huge Fields fan, but can someone explain to me how Fields won rookie of the month both months so far? Does the team record play into it like MVP does?

[TheGameHHH]

I'm going to see Blake play down in New Orleans on the 23rd of February, I can't wait.

[Snoogans]

the NBA better not lock out next season. They would be the dumbest fucks ever. The NBA is as talented and as exciting as its been in a LONG time. the best thing that happened to the NBA was adding the 1 year of college rule.
Its only 1 year, but it made so much difference. 1 extra year of living alone and growing and maturing as a person and 1 more year of working on your game before you get thrown to the fire and get all this money. Its really helped the talent and maturity level of the league as a whole. If they Lockout, they are gonna lose so much and everything is cruising right now. Ratings are HUGE compared to the last 10 years.

Regular season games this year have been killing playoff games from all but the last 2 playoffs since jordan retired.

[KnoxHarrington]

the NBA better not lock out next season. They would be the dumbest fucks ever. The NBA is as talented and as exciting as its been in a LONG time. the best thing that happened to the NBA was adding the 1 year of college rule.
Its only 1 year, but it made so much difference. 1 extra year of living alone and growing and maturing as a person and 1 more year of working on your game before you get thrown to the fire and get all this money. Its really helped the talent and maturity level of the league as a whole. If they Lockout, they are gonna lose so much and everything is cruising right now. Ratings are HUGE compared to the last 10 years.

Regular season games this year have been killing playoff games from all but the last 2 playoffs since jordan retired.

Yeah, and if we get the playoffs that it looks like we will, a Celtics/Heat Eastern Conference final and a Lakers/Spurs Western Conference Finals, that would create a buzz and spark more interest in the NBA than there's been in years.

Which they'd immediately piss away with a lockout.

[Snoogans]

Yeah, and if we get the playoffs that it looks like we will, a Celtics/Heat Eastern Conference final and a Lakers/Spurs Western Conference Finals, that would create a buzz and spark more interest in the NBA than there's been in years.

Which they'd immediately piss away with a lockout.

you would also have a HUGE rated first round series with the Knicks. Knicks in playoffs is gonna be ratings boner for the NBA. Dont be surprised if the knicks get all the calls their way in that first round if they arent playin boston or miami

[ihaveabadmonkey]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7371/222202875.jpg

[cougarjake13]

did they really have that on tv ??

[underdog]

Blake Griffin scores 47 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=310117012)

This guy is ridiculous. I hope the Clippers don't ruin his career.

[cougarjake13]

Blake Griffin scores 47 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=310117012)

This guy is ridiculous. I hope the Clippers don't ruin his career.

hes just gonna be the dan marino of basketball of he stays there his whole career

[TheGameHHH]

hes just gonna be the dan marino of basketball of he stays there his whole career

bill simmons keeps working out fantastic trade offers for the clippers and melo. if they were actually smart enough theyd give it a shot. blake and melo would make them very, very good

[Snoogans]

bill simmons keeps working out fantastic trade offers for the clippers and melo. if they were actually smart enough theyd give it a shot. blake and melo would make them very, very good

the problem is the only way money works is if denver takes baron davis. at this point, why the fuck would anyone take baron davis?

[hanso]

Hey Mike Miller is back!

[cougarjake13]

Hey Mike Miller is back!

he never really left just wasnt getting much pub or playing time behind the big 3

[Snoogans]

he never really left just wasnt getting much pub or playing time behind the big 3

actually he got hurt. Otherwise, he is the starting 2 guard

[hanso]

He wasn't hitting his shots. But the last game he looks to have it back now.

I like when he and James Jones are on the wing. They are both a three point threat. And could spread the floor for the big three when they are healthy again.

[underdog]

Blake Griffin is like a daily highlight show.

3/4 court alley-oop last night. Ridiculous.

[hanso]

Did he pass or drunk it?

[cougarjake13]

Did he pass or drunk it?




both

[underdog]

Did he pass or drunk it?

Dunked it. It was a great play all around.

[hanso]

That was my guess



Both would be something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Melo to Lakers wont happen IMO. I think at the last minute he will end up in NY

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/msn/02/05/11/Just-say-no-Theres-no-reason-to-trade-wi/landing.html?blockID=405124&feedID=7804

[underdog]

Melo to Lakers wont happen IMO. I think at the last minute he will end up in NY

http://www.foxsportssouthwest.com/msn/02/05/11/Just-say-no-Theres-no-reason-to-trade-wi/landing.html?blockID=405124&feedID=7804

I want them to trade him to the Clippers just so Blake Griffin can be good.

Actually, fuck that. I want the Clippers to do nothing so Griffin will come to the east coast in a couple years and I can watch him regularly.

[underdog]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/238737555.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1297307163&Signature=iVJVFMdm7tnjXjRUoTPCSmJ4WXQ%3D

Kobe is going to be busy tonight.

[underdog]

Jerry Sloan to resign 3 days after signing a contract extension. (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700108714/KSL-Utah-Jazz-coach-Jerry-Sloan-to-resign.html)

[underdog]

Did he pass or drunk it?

Drunk?

[cougarjake13]

Drunk?

that would be awesome

[TheGameHHH]

Kobe is going to be busy tonight.

he was busy.....pooping on the celtics and knicks the past two nights

[KnoxHarrington]

The fact that the Cavaliers snapped their NBA record losing streak against the Knicks will amuse me for days.

What a dogshit organization full of losers and run by idiots.

And the Cavs really stink too.

[TheGameHHH]

The fact that the Cavaliers snapped their NBA record losing streak against the Knicks will amuse me for days.

What a dogshit organization full of losers and run by idiots.

And the Cavs really stink too.

they didn't do it against the Knicks, they did it against the Clippers

[hanso]

This summer I hear the drumming 40 loses in Ohio. Streaks over? dratz can't use this then.



26 magic number.

[KnoxHarrington]

they didn't do it against the Knicks, they did it against the Clippers

Total fail on my part, I posted before I had any coffee.

I'll leave the fail up there for your amusement.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lakers nice win over the Knicks last night. Looks like it was Phil Jacksons final night att he garden

[A.J.]

they didn't do it against the Knicks, they did it against the Clippers

That sucked. It would have made for an epic matchup between them and the Wizards tomorrow night.

[hanso]

If the Heat keep this up they will end up with 160 pts. Just had a 41 pt first 1/4.

[cougarjake13]

If the Heat keep this up they will end up with 160 pts. Just had a 41 pt first 1/4.



what they finish with ??

[TheGameHHH]

what they finish with ??

103-95 they won

[BustahMyTool]

motherfucking Knicks














Nuff said

[TheGameHHH]

The Cavs beat the Lakers tonight, thats embarrassing. If Mitch doesn't make a move soon this team is gonna bow out in the second round of the playoffs.

[hanso]

I was joking there was a nice full court ally-oop though wade to james.

[TheGameHHH]

I was joking there was a nice full court ally-oop though wade to james.

that was two nights ago, not last night

[Snoogans]

according to the NY Times, Denver wants Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari and have even asked about Timofey Mozgov for Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups. Just to sweeten the pot, the New York Post reported that the Nuggets have also asked for a first round pick, which the Knicks would get by trading Anthony Randolph.

[hanso]

that was two nights ago, not last night

The same game on the 15th Wade was going off early.



Kobe got served paternity papers walking off court. Wonder if it was the loss to the Cavs.

[cougarjake13]

according to the NY Times, Denver wants Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Landry Fields, Danilo Gallinari and have even asked about Timofey Mozgov for Carmelo Anthony and Chauncey Billups. Just to sweeten the pot, the New York Post reported that the Nuggets have also asked for a first round pick, which the Knicks would get by trading Anthony Randolph.

why would they give all that up when he'll be a free agent soon

plus if they give up all that whats left for melo and amare to play with ??

[hanso]

Some team should make a deal. Or else lose out.

[razorboy]

It looks like the Nets and Nuggets deal is agreed upon (again) in principle, pending an extension. Nets would send Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and four first round picks for Melo, Billups, Balkman, Shelden Williams and Ely. This is getting extraordinarily tiresome.

[Snoogans]

It looks like the Nets and Nuggets deal is agreed upon (again) in principle, pending an extension. Nets would send Favors, Harris, Murphy, Uzoh and four first round picks for Melo, Billups, Balkman, Shelden Williams and Ely. This is getting extraordinarily tiresome.

and melo said he wont meet with the nets, or at least, hasnt agreed to. And apparently he does have a meeting with dolan

[razorboy]

and melo said he wont meet with the nets, or at least, hasnt agreed to. And apparently he does have a meeting with dolan

Well Melo has all the leverage right now. The Knicks aren't going to do much this year with or without him, so it wouldn't be a big deal for them to wait either.

[Snoogans]

Well Melo has all the leverage right now. The Knicks aren't going to do much this year with or without him, so it wouldn't be a big deal for them to wait either.

it would be a big deal to melo if they wait cause he would lose alot of money. they talked, everyone knows everyones position. ill leave the knicks to get it done. if they dont, they are fucked

[razorboy]

it would be a big deal to melo if they wait cause he would lose alot of money.

I didn't even think about that. It's been a long day.

[A.J.]

Isiah re-emerges in key role with Knicks (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-thomasknicks022011)

Why David Stern doesn't force James Dolan and Donald Sterling out of the NBA is beyond me.

[Snoogans]

MELO DRAMA OVER

Carmelo anthony is a knick

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman

YES

Thats a fuckin great deal. Balkman is a good perimeter/post defender, williams is a decent backup big, billups and felton are a wash, and we got melo. I cant understand how people WOULDNT love this deal

[Snacks]

Because Denver should have said fuck it and not traded him and let him walk. I know they would have gotten nothing but it would have hurt him losing close to $40 million then it would Denver.

Before you say how would he lose $40 million they broke it down today. With the new bargaining agreement he wont get $65 million he would get more like $45 million. So thats $20 million right there. The other money comes from his option that he would have to walk away from in order to be a free agent and leave Denver. That option is his at $18 million. So he would lose around $40 million ($38 to be exact). I know some people said he could make it up in endorsement deals. But not he wouldnt because he would be getting endorsement deals no matter where he is and if he signed with NY as a free agent he would be getting those deals anyway so no matter what he would have always lost that $38 million.

Im happy its over but fuck him!

Im so happy the Nets came back into the discussion to fuck the knicks and make them pay even more for him. I hope that the nets dont make that stupid deal for Gal and the russian center for 2 1st rounders with Denver. Keep our 4 1st rounders they will be more valuable then ever with the new CBA!

[Snoogans]

Because Denver should have said fuck it and not traded him and let him walk. I know they would have gotten nothing but it would have hurt him losing close to $40 million then it would Denver.

Before you say how would he lose $40 million they broke it down today. With the new bargaining agreement he wont get $65 million he would get more like $45 million. So thats $20 million right there. The other money comes from his option that he would have to walk away from in order to be a free agent and leave Denver. That option is his at $18 million. So he would lose around $40 million ($38 to be exact). I know some people said he could make it up in endorsement deals. But not he wouldnt because he would be getting endorsement deals no matter where he is and if he signed with NY as a free agent he would be getting those deals anyway so no matter what he would have always lost that $38 million.

Im happy its over but fuck him!

Im so happy the Nets came back into the discussion to fuck the knicks and make them pay even more for him. I hope that the nets dont make that stupid deal for Gal and the russian center for 2 1st rounders with Denver. Keep our 4 1st rounders they will be more valuable then ever with the new CBA!

the knicks didnt get robbed really bro. whatever the nets think they did, with or without them they woulda done this deal. The Knicks got a great deal. Stop hating and just accept you guys will be NOTHING

[Snacks]

the knicks didnt get robbed really bro. whatever the nets think they did, with or without them they woulda done this deal. The Knicks got a great deal. Stop hating and just accept you guys will be NOTHING

ok lets see who is better in the next 3-5 years. You will be strapped by the salary cap, no draft picks, 9 d leaguers on your bench and Melo and Stoud both free agents with no Titles.

I prefer what the nets have right now. Neither is beating LA, Miami, Boston or Chi with their current rosters so enjoy Melo and his 25 points a night and no def!

[NickyL0885]

ok lets see who is better in the next 3-5 years. You will be strapped by the salary cap, no draft picks, 9 d leaguers on your bench and Melo and Stoud both free agents with no Titles.

I prefer what the nets have right now. Neither is beating LA, Miami, Boston or Chi with their current rosters so enjoy Melo and his 25 points a night and no def!

THIS

[underdog]

MELO DRAMA OVER

Carmelo anthony is a knick

The Nuggets traded Melo to the New York Knicks tonight, a league source said. Denver gets Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 2014 first-round draft pick, the Warriors' 2012 second-round pick, the Warriors' 2013 second-round pick and $3 million in cash.
Anthony will go to New York, along with Chauncey Billups, Shelden Williams, Anthony Carter and Renaldo Balkman

YES

Thats a fuckin great deal. Balkman is a good perimeter/post defender, williams is a decent backup big, billups and felton are a wash, and we got melo. I cant understand how people WOULDNT love this deal

Good to know Isaiah Thomas is still in charge of the Knicks.

Chauncey Billups is 80, Shelden Williams' wife is 10x better than him & Renaldo Balkman used to be on the Knicks, when Thomas wasted a 1st round pick on him.

But it is the NBA, so Stoudamire and Anthony will be a fun team to watch. Especially if Deron Williams comes to the Knicks, like the rumor says he will when he is a FA.

[Snacks]

Good to know Isaiah Thomas is still in charge of the Knicks.

Chauncey Billups is 80, Shelden Williams' wife is 10x better than him & Renaldo Balkman used to be on the Knicks, when Thomas wasted a 1st round pick on him.

But it is the NBA, so Stoudamire and Anthony will be a fun team to watch. Especially if Deron Williams comes to the Knicks, like the rumor says he will when he is a FA.

The salary cap is going to be a hard car and its going to be in the neighborhood of $45 to $50 million max might be even less. Stoud and Melo will be $42 million of that cap space. Good luck signing Williams or anyone!

[Snoogans]

btw update, broussard just said on sportscenter.

Knicks also sent curry and randolph to minnie and minnie sent corey brewer to....THE KNICKS.

HOLY FUCK. COREY BREWER IS PERFECT. he is an awesome defender and will bust his ass. I FUCKIN LOVE THIS

[Snoogans]

ok lets see who is better in the next 3-5 years. You will be strapped by the salary cap, no draft picks, 9 d leaguers on your bench and Melo and Stoud both free agents with no Titles.

I prefer what the nets have right now. Neither is beating LA, Miami, Boston or Chi with their current rosters so enjoy Melo and his 25 points a night and no def!

what d leaguers? Corey Brewer is a solid bench guy, balkman is a solid defender, same with sheldon williams. Do you watch basketball? We have melo and amare and billups, we dont need nech guys to score. we need defensive guys, exactly what we have now. Plus we still do have cap room, and if the CBA straps us, guess what, the nets arent exactly gonna be able to go get a bunch of guys, esp when they have to resign lopez and harris soon. Lets not be dillusional.

[Snoogans]

The salary cap is going to be a hard car and its going to be in the neighborhood of $45 to $50 million max might be even less. Stoud and Melo will be $42 million of that cap space. Good luck signing Williams or anyone!

ummm, do you watch anything. the cap is like 60 now and soft. they already said if they go hard cap, its gonna be up in the neighborhood of the lux tax, around 70 mill a year. Since you wont be able to go over to keep guys or sign exceptions, the cap will actually go up a little bit.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do some research.

[Snoogans]

also, chances are the NBA is going to do like the NHL and roll back all salaries, even existing, around 15%. The cap will be 65-70 and melo and amare for the year williams is a FA will aaccount for around 33 mill if they DONT reduce the contracts a cent. If they do, then they will take up even less.

Thanks for playing though

[Snacks]

what d leaguers? Corey Brewer is a solid bench guy, balkman is a solid defender, same with sheldon williams. Do you watch basketball? We have melo and amare and billups, we dont need nech guys to score. we need defensive guys, exactly what we have now. Plus we still do have cap room, and if the CBA straps us, guess what, the nets arent exactly gonna be able to go get a bunch of guys, esp when they have to resign lopez and harris soon. Lets not be dillusional.

Billups will be gone after this year. The d leaguers comment is for after the new CBA. Brewer was a solid return and the other guys all avg 4 or less points a game and all suck. Defense doesnt matter on the Knicks because your coach doesnt care about it he cares about scoring. So yes I watch baseball and also know what is coming as well as your team wont stop anyone. I also know that the nets are still in a better position for the future. Most even thought Melo would be better off with the nets because of cap room, picks and young talent they already have.

Great trade for the knicks because they got Melo. But they lost more for the future and wont be able ot sign anyone because too much tied to 2 players that will hurt after the new CBS is signed. The knocks will not win a title with this team and cant get better players based on the future of the NBA!

Nets wont sign harris and if they do it will be for less because the new CBA will allow and help them. Same goes for Lopez. Thats why the knicks should have waited.

[Snoogans]

Billups will be gone after this year. The d leaguers comment is for after the new CBA. Brewer was a solid return and the other guys all avg 4 or less points a game and all suck. Defense doesnt matter on the Knicks because your coach doesnt care about it he cares about scoring. So yes I watch baseball and also know what is coming as well as your team wont stop anyone. I also know that the nets are still in a better position for the future. Most even thought Melo would be better off with the nets because of cap room, picks and young talent they already have.

Great trade for the knicks because they got Melo. But they lost more for the future and wont be able ot sign anyone because too much tied to 2 players that will hurt after the new CBS is signed. The knocks will not win a title with this team and cant get better players based on the future of the NBA!

billups is thru next year. he comes off same time as felton. he has a player option for 15 mill next year, so im just assuming he is here next year. again look up some stuff. If you are gonna debate, fine, but at least be factually correct.
and dantoni will not be here for the future, i really dont believe. But trust me, you are WAY off on the cap shit and the new CBA.

and lopez and harris are gonna cost ALOT or you will basically be starting over. You really need to look up some stuff

and brook lopez SUCKS. He is avg less rebounds a game than LANDRY FUCKIN FIELDS. He isnt good. and harris isnt that great either.

[Snacks]

ummm, do you watch anything. the cap is like 60 now and soft. they already said if they go hard cap, its gonna be up in the neighborhood of the lux tax, around 70 mill a year. Since you wont be able to go over to keep guys or sign exceptions, the cap will actually go up a little bit.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Do some research.

its 60 now and soft and you pay for going over. They want it to be a hard cap and reduced by as much as 40% which means they will get a reduction of about 20%. The NBA has the weakest players union of all and everyone with a brain all says th cap will be a hard one and around $45 million to $50 million.

[underdog]

The salary cap is going to be a hard car and its going to be in the neighborhood of $45 to $50 million max might be even less. Stoud and Melo will be $42 million of that cap space. Good luck signing Williams or anyone!

I root for the Celtics.

[Snoogans]

Billups will be gone after this year. The d leaguers comment is for after the new CBA. Brewer was a solid return and the other guys all avg 4 or less points a game and all suck. Defense doesnt matter on the Knicks because your coach doesnt care about it he cares about scoring. So yes I watch baseball and also know what is coming as well as your team wont stop anyone. I also know that the nets are still in a better position for the future. Most even thought Melo would be better off with the nets because of cap room, picks and young talent they already have.

Great trade for the knicks because they got Melo. But they lost more for the future and wont be able ot sign anyone because too much tied to 2 players that will hurt after the new CBS is signed. The knocks will not win a title with this team and cant get better players based on the future of the NBA!

Nets wont sign harris and if they do it will be for less because the new CBA will allow and help them. Same goes for Lopez. Thats why the knicks should have waited.

stop bring up the CBA. You dont know what you are talkin about. I follow basketball way more than any other sport. If the cap is hard, its 65 mill at most. if amare and melo are 33 of it like they would be now, lets use 12.5 as max going forward for argument, thats 45.5 with deron and still 20-25 mill to fill out the team. Trust me, ill take that over what the nets have

[Snacks]

also, chances are the NBA is going to do like the NHL and roll back all salaries, even existing, around 15%. The cap will be 65-70 and melo and amare for the year williams is a FA will aaccount for around 33 mill if they DONT reduce the contracts a cent. If they do, then they will take up even less.

Thanks for playing though

you think the cap is going up. hahaha lol ok you continue thinking you know everything like you always do and lets see what happens after the season.

[Snacks]

stop bring up the CBA. You dont know what you are talkin about. I follow basketball way more than any other sport. If the cap is hard, its 65 mill at most. if amare and melo are 33 of it like they would be now, lets use 12.5 as max going forward for argument, thats 45.5 with deron and still 20-25 mill to fill out the team. Trust me, ill take that over what the nets have

the nets are going to trade him he is not part of their future, everyone knows this exceot you because you know everything else!

[Snoogans]

its 60 now and soft and you pay for going over. They want it to be a hard cap and reduced by as much as 40% which means they will get a reduction of about 20%. The NBA has the weakest players union of all and everyone with a brain all says th cap will be a hard one and around $45 million to $50 million.
bro, you are so wrong. Look up some shit. they arent gonna reduce the cap by 40%. they are tryin to reduce COST by 40%. Contracts will get less. But the cap will not be less then it is now. they will never do that cause they would have to break up like 9 teams. You really have no clue.

if the cap was even 60 next year, the lakers, the heat, the Cs, the knicks, and a good handful of other teams would be fucked. if it goes hard cap and they dont roll back existing salaries like the NHL did, the cap will be at least 65. trust me

[Snoogans]

you think the cap is going up. hahaha lol ok you continue thinking you know everything like you always do and lets see what happens after the season.

im not pretending i know anything. Im going on things that have been said by people who do know, including DAVID FUCKIN STERN who said if the cap goes hard they cant DROP IT cause they would break up half the league.

[Snoogans]

the nets are going to trade him he is not part of their future, everyone knows this exceot you because you know everything else!

i never said they were going to keep him. you brought up there young talent. im pointing out how that young talent is either gonna keep you from affording shit or be gone. If you dont sign harris and lopez, then you really have nothing and are starting over, which i said already and you obviously just ignored so you can try to make me look wrong and spin what i actually said.

[Snacks]

I root for the Celtics.

I know I was just saying in general. Williams can say whatever he wants but the knocks will not be signing Chris Paul or Williams! Wont be able to.

I dont really care that much. Im actually happy the Nets didnt sign him. He a ball hog who is a great scorer and solid rebounder that plays no defense and will not help the knicks win any titles because the knicks arent beating the celtics, the heat or the bulls (as usual). Since the last time the knicks went to the finals the nets went twice. They both have sucked, the knicks are going to the playoffs this year and will be knocked out in the 1st round in 4 games!

[Snacks]

i never said they were going to keep him. you brought up there young talent. im pointing out how that young talent is either gonna keep you from affording shit or be gone. If you dont sign harris and lopez, then you really have nothing and are starting over, which i said already and you obviously just ignored so you can try to make me look wrong and spin what i actually said.

They will sign Lopez when his contract is up under the new CBA and they have Favors and 4 1st rounders. They will be fine and have tons of cap room!

[Snoogans]

I know I was just saying in general. Williams can say whatever he wants but the knocks will not be signing Chris Paul or Williams! Wont be able to.

I dont really care that much. Im actually happy the Nets didnt sign him. He a ball hog who is a great scorer and solid rebounder that plays no defense and will not help the knicks win any titles because the knicks arent beating the celtics, the heat or the bulls (as usual). Since the last time the knicks went to the finals the nets went twice. They both have sucked, the knicks are going to the playoffs this year and will be knocked out in the 1st round in 4 games!

the knicks beat the bulls twice this year. the bulls really arent that good. their division is TERRIBLE and inflated their record. the celtics are old and wont even matter in 2 or 3 years so why even bring them up.

and the knicks with just amare they werent embarrassed by the heat. So i have no doubt with just the 2 stars they could hang with the heat.

[Snoogans]

They will sign Lopez when his contract is up under the new CBA and they have Favors and 4 1st rounders. They will be fine and have tons of cap room!

under the new CBA lopez is still gonna be at least 10 mill a year. what are you smoking. and first rounders arent that cheap. if you have 4, thats like 12-16 million bucks right there. add in lopez 10 and what you will have to pay favors in 3 years and thats alot of money.

DO SOME RESEARCH

AND BROOK LOPEZ ISNT THAT GOOD.

Didnt you wonder why the nuggets NEVER ONCE brought up his name but were asking for bum devin harris? CAUSE LOPEZ EATS DICK. HE ISNT GOOD. The nets have 1 young player who might be good and he hasnt even played a full season and they are acting like he is the next coming of fuckin shawn kemp

stop it

[Snacks]

the knicks beat the bulls twice this year. the bulls really arent that good. their division is TERRIBLE and inflated their record. the celtics are old and wont even matter in 2 or 3 years so why even bring them up.

and the knicks with just amare they werent embarrassed by the heat. So i have no doubt with just the 2 stars they could hang with the heat.

Im talking about as usual meaning once again in the playoffs like in the 90s when they couldnt get past Jordan and the bulls.

My god Larry literal.

Do you really think that Melo, Billups and the other shit is better then what they gave up? Not individually because Melo makes them better but their bench got worse and they lose some good young talent for the future. They arent beating anyone in the playoffs, you do know this? You do know they arent winning a title right?

[Snoogans]

Im talking about as usual meaning once again in the playoffs like in the 90s when they couldnt get past Jordan and the bulls.

My god Larry literal.

Do you really think that Melo, Billups and the other shit is better then what they gave up? Not individually because Melo makes them better but their bench got worse and they lose some good young talent for the future. They arent beating anyone in the playoffs, you do know this? You do know they arent winning a title right?

yea cause what happened in fuckin 1993 and 1996 matters now. this is a completely different league with different rules.

and the bench didnt get worse. NONE OF THE GUYS WE TRADED WERE ON OUR BENCH. how did the bench get worse?

the bench actually got better. the only guys we traded that didnt start NEVER played. Curry not 1 minute and randolph maybe 30 total minutes the whole year

[Snacks]

under the new CBA lopez is still gonna be at least 10 mill a year. what are you smoking. and first rounders arent that cheap. if you have 4, thats like 12-16 million bucks right there. add in lopez 10 and what you will have to pay favors in 3 years and thats alot of money.

DO SOME RESEARCH

AND BROOK LOPEZ ISNT THAT GOOD.

Didnt you wonder why the nuggets NEVER ONCE brought up his name but were asking for bum devin harris? CAUSE LOPEZ EATS DICK. HE ISNT GOOD. The nets have 1 young player who might be good and he hasnt even played a full season and they are acting like he is the next coming of fuckin shawn kemp

stop it

$10 million a year is $22 million a year so thats fine. I never said they werent going to be paying top dollar for him. They will. Im expecting more like $12 -$14 million being the new max contract. Lopez is the 2nd best center in the east. Only howard is better.

Im not acting like Favors is a stud but he is a good looking player. You and all knicks fans talk about fileds like he is the best player in the world. He hasnt played a year yet either. If I hear one more knick fan say he is in the running for rookie of the year i might have to knock their dumb asses out!

[Snoogans]

snacks since you dont do research im gonna clue you in

Raymond felton - signed thru next year so we could let him go and go after williams or paul. we woulda had to pay him that year anyway, and he is 26 and has a bad back

Wilson Chandler - FA after this year. we were gonna have to let him go regardless.

Timofey Mozgov - Exactly

Eddy Curry / Anthony Randolph - look above

and gallo. a fine player, he has talent, but plays the same position as melo and isnt nearly as good. and after next year, he is a FA which means he is gonna wanna get paid too.

Really, we gave up NOTHING of the future

[Snacks]

yea cause what happened in fuckin 1993 and 1996 matters now. this is a completely different league with different rules.

and the bench didnt get worse. NONE OF THE GUYS WE TRADED WERE ON OUR BENCH. how did the bench get worse?

the bench actually got better. the only guys we traded that didnt start NEVER played. Curry not 1 minute and randolph maybe 30 total minutes the whole year

your bench and team got worse because you traded starters. omg forget they are winning the whole fucking thing this year. Go melo! Boston, Chicago, Orlando and Miami get scared. Lakers or Spurs watch out the Knicks will meet you and beat you in the finals!

[Snoogans]

$10 million a year is $22 million a year so thats fine. I never said they werent going to be paying top dollar for him. They will. Im expecting more like $12 -$14 million being the new max contract. Lopez is the 2nd best center in the east. Only howard is better.

Im not acting like Favors is a stud but he is a good looking player. You and all knicks fans talk about fileds like he is the best player in the world. He hasnt played a year yet either. If I hear one more knick fan say he is in the running for rookie of the year i might have to knock their dumb asses out!

what the fuck does that mean? 10 mill a year is 22 a year? 15 is the max contract for a first year of a deal right now.

15 is it now, 12-14 mill isnt a big reduction.
please do some FUCKIN RESEARCH. the only time a guy gets more than 15 in a year is in the backloaded years of a team resigning there own guy, hence sign and trade.

[Snoogans]

your bench and team got worse because you traded starters. omg forget they are winning the whole fucking thing this year. Go melo! Boston, Chicago, Orlando and Miami get scared. Lakers or Spurs watch out the Knicks will meet you and beat you in the finals!

when did i say anything about winning this year. this is why you cant be reasoned with. you dont fuckin listen. for the future, NONE OF THOSE GUYS WERE PART OF IT. maybe gallo and thats IT. you have no clue what you are talking about.

THIS WAS A TRADE FOR THE NEXT 3 or 4 YEARS

[Snacks]

snacks since you dont do research im gonna clue you in

Raymond felton - signed thru next year so we could let him go and go after williams or paul. we woulda had to pay him that year anyway, and he is 26 and has a bad back

Wilson Chandler - FA after this year. we were gonna have to let him go regardless.

Timofey Mozgov - Exactly

Eddy Curry / Anthony Randolph - look above

and gallo. a fine player, he has talent, but plays the same position as melo and isnt nearly as good. and after next year, he is a FA which means he is gonna wanna get paid too.

Really, we gave up NOTHING of the future

Felton is better then Billups and a damn good guard.

Mozgov is going to be a solid center. Hes avg like 4 points a game and 3 rebounds in 11 min. He could easily avg 12 and 10 if he started and played 25 -30 min.

Gallo is a beast in the making. If the nets make that stupid trade lose 2 1st rounders at least they will be getting Gallo and Moz but I still rather keep the picks!

[Snoogans]

$10 million a year is $22 million a year so thats fine. I never said they werent going to be paying top dollar for him. They will. Im expecting more like $12 -$14 million being the new max contract. Lopez is the 2nd best center in the east. Only howard is better.

Im not acting like Favors is a stud but he is a good looking player. You and all knicks fans talk about fileds like he is the best player in the world. He hasnt played a year yet either. If I hear one more knick fan say he is in the running for rookie of the year i might have to knock their dumb asses out!

i missed this part. what are you talkin about? When did I act like fields was a super star? I brough his name up once to mention he is outrebounding brook lopez. thats a fact. look it up. He is was we need. A roll player who busts his ass, rebounds, and plays good D.

When did i make ANY of these guys out to be something they arent?

[Snacks]

what the fuck does that mean? 10 mill a year is 22 a year? 15 is the max contract for a first year of a deal right now.

15 is it now, 12-14 mill isnt a big reduction.
please do some FUCKIN RESEARCH. the only time a guy gets more than 15 in a year is in the backloaded years of a team resigning there own guy, hence sign and trade.

i meant 10 million isnt $22 million. meaning comparing lopez when they do sign him and what you had to sign melo for.

[Snoogans]

Felton is better then Billups and a damn good guard.

Mozgov is going to be a solid center. Hes avg like 4 points a game and 3 rebounds in 11 min. He could easily avg 12 and 10 if he started and played 25 -30 min.

Gallo is a beast in the making. If the nets make that stupid trade lose 2 1st rounders at least they will be getting Gallo and Moz but I still rather keep the picks!

do you watch knciks games snacks? Forget what the media tells you, do you watch felton play? Ive watched at least half of all and all of most games this year. Felton was a damn good guard until the middle of december. Now he has been an avg PG since then. He has a bad back and a bad knee. He is over rated because he plays in NY, like everyone else and you fuckin know it. ALL NY TEAMS DO THAT AND THE MEDIA DOES TOO.

Felton is about equal to billups, and was never in our future plans. He was a 2 year stop gap. you really think he is a max player the same year williams and paul are FAs? you are insane. I dont agree with anything you said

and gallo is lazy. he has talent but he sleeps through half the game. he is way closer to being the next TIM THOMAS than he is to being the next Dirk

[Snacks]

i missed this part. what are you talkin about? When did I act like fields was a super star? I brough his name up once to mention he is outrebounding brook lopez. thats a fact. look it up. He is was we need. A roll player who busts his ass, rebounds, and plays good D.

When did i make ANY of these guys out to be something they arent?

you brought him up i brought up favors, you then shit on favors for not playing a full year yet you already brought fields up like he was a stud. thats what i was saying. dont bring up fields and throw his name out there like its nothing but then have something negative to say about favors!

[Snoogans]

i meant 10 million isnt $22 million. meaning comparing lopez when they do sign him and what you had to sign melo for.

mello doesnt get 22 million until 2013. he has one more year left next year of his current deal

PLEASE DO RESEARCH

[Snoogans]

you brought him up i brought up favors, you then shit on favors for not playing a full year yet you already brought fields up like he was a stud. thats what i was saying. dont bring up fields and throw his name out there like its nothing but then have something negative to say about favors!

i brought up fields 1 time to say he is outrebounding brook lopez, how is that me sayin he is a stud?

i said brook lopez sucks, he is being OUTREBOUNDED BY LANDRY FUCKIN FIELDS



where did i blow smoke about fields? and i never shit on favors, i said im sick of nets fans acting like he is already great. i brought up fields talking about brook lopez's rebounding. can you even fuckin read? im done with you. you havent got a fuckin thing right, i tried to debate you, and bro, you are legitimately being stupid right now. done with this

[Snacks]

do you watch knciks games snacks? Forget what the media tells you, do you watch felton play? Ive watched at least half of all and all of most games this year. Felton was a damn good guard until the middle of december. Now he has been an avg PG since then. He has a bad back and a bad knee. He is over rated because he plays in NY, like everyone else and you fuckin know it. ALL NY TEAMS DO THAT AND THE MEDIA DOES TOO.

Felton is about equal to billups, and was never in our future plans. He was a 2 year stop gap. you really think he is a max player the same year williams and paul are FAs? you are insane. I dont agree with anything you said

and gallo is lazy. he has talent but he sleeps through half the game. he is way closer to being the next TIM THOMAS than he is to being the next Dirk

I said felton was a max player? really? no i siad he was a good fucking pg and better then billups and he is right now and he is younger.

you arent going to be able to sign Williams and Paul. Cant see that happening. If you do great if they dont then you will be heartbroken every year with the knicks being the 5-8 seeds and not getting out of the 1st round the entire time Stoud and Melo are here.

[Snoogans]

snackbatsuzen wont stop tryin to twist shit into stuff i never said

[epo]

It's a shame Isiah Thomas didn't have more picks to trade to Denver.

[Snoogans]

I said felton was a max player? really? no i siad he was a good fucking pg and better then billups and he is right now and he is younger.

you arent going to be able to sign Williams and Paul. Cant see that happening. If you do great if they dont then you will be heartbroken every year with the knicks being the 5-8 seeds and not getting out of the 1st round the entire time Stoud and Melo are here.

what are you joking? I just sat through fuckin 10 years of last place and no draft picks. and you are severly wrong about the CBA

though you are snacks, you know everything, even more than DAVID STERN WHO SAID IN AN INTERVIEW IF THEY GO HARD CAP AND DONT SCALE BACK SALARIES THEY WILL NOT LOWER IT BECAUSE TOO MANY TEAMS WONT BE ABLE TO GET UNDER

sorry, if the commisioner saying the cap wont be 45-50 mill doesnt make you listen, you are hopeless

[Snacks]

mello doesnt get 22 million until 2013. he has one more year left next year of his current deal

PLEASE DO RESEARCH

at $18 million that is his option obviously he picked it up already. I did my research do yours. If you read my above post about why Denver should have let him lose $40 million then you would know I know he had an option plus the 3 year extension. But no you like to try to make people look stupid by saying "do research" when none is needed or already known!

[Snoogans]

at $18 million that is his option obviously he picked it up already. I did my research do yours. If you read my above post about why Denver should have let him lose $40 million then you would know I know he had an option plus the 3 year extension. But no you like to try to make people look stupid by saying "do research" when none is needed or already known!

where is this 40 million coming from? Everyone talking about it said 20 million. you are just making up numbers to help your cause. stop now. i cant take this nonsense anymore

[Snoogans]

ill use your crazy numbers and say the new max is 12 mill. assuming you cant give more if he is on your team already like now, over 3 years thats still 30 mill at most. but lets use 40 cause it looks way better for your argument

[Snacks]

snackbatsuzen wont stop tryin to twist shit into stuff i never said

thats what youre doing everything you have brought up is to try to make it seem like the knicks have cap room, those players werent in your plans anyway etc. no matter what you say you got Melo that is a plus but what you gave up, what you will be able to get in the future because of signing 2 guys to $20 plus million you will be screwed. Even Miami didnt sign those 3 to that much per year!

Think of it anyway you want, im happy you are happy. Lets see how happy you are after the 1st round of the playoffs every year for the next 3 or 4 years! Once again you have no 1st round picks til when?

[Snacks]

what are you joking? I just sat through fuckin 10 years of last place and no draft picks. and you are severly wrong about the CBA

though you are snacks, you know everything, even more than DAVID STERN WHO SAID IN AN INTERVIEW IF THEY GO HARD CAP AND DONT SCALE BACK SALARIES THEY WILL NOT LOWER IT BECAUSE TOO MANY TEAMS WONT BE ABLE TO GET UNDER

sorry, if the commisioner saying the cap wont be 45-50 mill doesnt make you listen, you are hopeless

Commish said it on Jime Rome last month so unless things have changed everything i have heard and read said they were going hard and scaling the cap back. Thats the reason why everyone wants to sign now. Yes those who are signed will likely have their numbers lowered in cap value not to fuck teams but that doesnt mean they still wont have cap problems.

[Snoogans]

thats what youre doing everything you have brought up is to try to make it seem like the knicks have cap room, those players werent in your plans anyway etc. no matter what you say you got Melo that is a plus but what you gave up, what you will be able to get in the future because of signing 2 guys to $20 plus million you will be screwed. Even Miami didnt sign those 3 to that much per year!

Think of it anyway you want, im happy you are happy. Lets see how happy you are after the 1st round of the playoffs every year for the next 3 or 4 years! Once again you have no 1st round picks til when?

yea but miami has 3 at over 15. and assuming your numbers, 20+20 +12 is still less than what miami will be paying those guys in 3 years.

and no, amare doesnt make over 20 til the last year of his deal. He will be on the books for around 18 in 2012-2013. and we have a first round pick in ummm, OH YEA THIS YEAR

but you did all your research.

go look up everything im saying to you, esp about the hard cap, if it is, being more than 60 mill. but esp this contract stuff. and the pick

[Snoogans]

Commish said it on Jime Rome last month so unless things have changed everything i have heard and read said they were going hard and scaling the cap back. Thats the reason why everyone wants to sign now. Yes those who are signed will likely have their numbers lowered in cap value not to fuck teams but that doesnt mean they still wont have cap problems.

im going by what stern said 2 weeks ago to simmons and then saturday night on TNT. so a month ago dont mean shit to me.

Melo wants to sign now cause he would lose money, sure. but there is a chance they trim his money anyway, and if they dont, the next guy will be cheaper. the cap CANT go down. 11 teams are currently set to be over a 60 mill cap next year. they cant break up 11 teams.

[Snacks]

where is this 40 million coming from? Everyone talking about it said 20 million. you are just making up numbers to help your cause. stop now. i cant take this nonsense anymore

until today when they all said the true numbers. Re read what i wrote. If he didnt sign with denver and became a free agent he would lose his $18 million too which was his option plus he would lose roughly $20 million because that same 3 year $65 million will probably only be able to be for around 3 year $45 million.

Do your research it was everywhere today!

[Snoogans]

until today when they all said the true numbers. Re read what i wrote. If he didnt sign with denver and became a free agent he would lose his $18 million too which was his option plus he would lose roughly $20 million because that same 3 year $65 million will probably only be able to be for around 3 year $45 million.

Do your research it was everywhere today!

if he had gone fa, assuming they could, melo woulda got 4 years from the knicks so the year he lost woulda been a wash. thats why its still under 30. regardless what he woulda lost doesnt matter cause he isnt. lets just stick to whats happening

and excuse me for not being able to read everything today cause i was actually at work, not at home reading the internet

[Snacks]

yea but miami has 3 at over 15. and assuming your numbers, 20+20 +12 is still less than what miami will be paying those guys in 3 years.

and no, amare doesnt make over 20 til the last year of his deal. He will be on the books for around 18 in 2012-2013. and we have a first round pick in ummm, OH YEA THIS YEAR

but you did all your research.

go look up everything im saying to you, esp about the hard cap, if it is, being more than 60 mill. but esp this contract stuff. and the pick

No Stoud is only making $17.6 this year but eventually he has to get that $100 million over 5 years no? So eventually he will be avg more then $20 mill a year to make up for the less this year and next.

[Snoogans]

No Stoud is only making $17.6 this year but eventually he has to get that $100 million over 5 years no? So eventually he will be avg more then $20 mill a year to make up for the less this year and next.

this year is 16.4, next year 18.2, the year that matters 19, then 21+ and 23+

[Snoogans]

melos hit for the 2012 offseason would also be under 20 cause the backload too

[Snoogans]

projected starting lineup

C Turiaf
PF amare (though stupid dantoni will prob start amare at C and like corey brewer at PF or some dumb shit)
SF Melo
SG Fields
PG Billups

Sheldon williams, Corey Brewer, Bill Walker, Shawne Williams, Anthony Carter, Balkman, TD, Roger Mason on the bench plus Azibuke if he ever comes back

[TheGameHHH]

As long as Isaih is calling shots for this team, they're fucked. I love that the first deal he pulled off will cost them another 1st round pick

I'd love to know Melo's WORP in this situation....I think the Knicks got better, but by nothing more than 6-7 games. They're still not contending for a title with this team, especially with Boston and a young Miami in their conference

[Snoogans]

As long as Isaih is calling shots for this team, they're fucked. I love that the first deal he pulled off will cost them another 1st round pick

I'd love to know Melo's WORP in this situation....I think the Knicks got better, but by nothing more than 6-7 games. They're still not contending for a title with this team, especially with Boston and a young Miami in their conference

but this isnt supposed to contend for a title. assuming the rules allow miami to stay together, it would allow the knicks another star. this is building for the future

[hanso]

And the Chicago Bulls with Joakim Noah who appears ready to return.

[Snoogans]

early early rumors surfacing about a possible miami offer to denver to mainly acquire NeNe

POSSIBLY bosh and mike miller to denver for nene and jr smith

very early

[Snacks]

early early rumors surfacing about a possible miami offer to denver to mainly acquire NeNe

POSSIBLY bosh and mike miller to denver for nene and jr smith

very early

I think that would help Miami. NeNe is a defensive beast with toughness that Bosh doesnt have! Smith is a real good player but that aint going to happen!

[Snacks]

Devin Harris going back to Dallas for someone who would then go to Denver and Denver would send Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov back to jersey! I like that as long as NJ doesnt give up picks too!

[spoon]

Devin Harris going back to Dallas for someone who would then go to Denver and Denver would send Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov back to jersey! I like that as long as NJ doesnt give up picks too!

heard that on the WFAN driving home from hockey

strange compensation for the Nets since they didn't get Melo

[Snoogans]

I think that would help Miami. NeNe is a defensive beast with toughness that Bosh doesnt have! Smith is a real good player but that aint going to happen!

i agree it probably wont and i agree miami would be WAY better. I wouldnt have minded JR Smith comin here in the Melo deal, i think he would thrive here and in miami

[Snoogans]

Devin Harris going back to Dallas for someone who would then go to Denver and Denver would send Raymond Felton and Timofey Mozgov back to jersey! I like that as long as NJ doesnt give up picks too!

mozgov is a poor man's kris humphris but felton is a BIG upgrade over harris