2011-12 NBA Season

[Snoogans]

heard that on the WFAN driving home from hockey

strange compensation for the Nets since they didn't get Melo

originally it was 2 1sts for that same deal so if they can get that for just harris thats a really good move for NJ

[Snoogans]

about gallo:


ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reported that the New Jersey Nets may be interested in acquiring the perimeter-shooting forward but the market for the Italian may also include the Los Angeles Clippers, Cleveland Cavaliers and Toronto Raptors.

[Snacks]

i agree it probably wont and i agree miami would be WAY better. I wouldnt have minded JR Smith comin here in the Melo deal, i think he would thrive here and in miami

Yeah b/c Smith is local too from jersey and hes a good scorer if given some minutes. He shoots 3s at 40%.

I just looked up NeNes stats, he having a good year. 15 and 7 and hes a tough mother fucker. Bosh is only avg 2 points more per game and hes a pussy!

[Snacks]

This is such a bad trade for the knicks. The reason its bad more then anything is no matter what he was going to the knicks. The knicks didnt need to make this trade they could have signed him as a free agent and kept the guys that they traded away. I understand there would always be a chance he would say fuck it and re up with Denver because of the money and or a possibility of someone wooing him as a free agent. But thats a chance I think the knicks should have taken. Could you imagine how good the knocks would be next year if they kept gallo and felton?

I really like gallo. he can become a 22 point per night guy and be a star in this league!

[spoon]

This is such a bad trade for the knicks. The reason its bad more then anything is no matter what he was going to the knicks. The knicks didnt need to make this trade they could have signed him as a free agent and kept the guys that they traded away. I understand there would always be a chance he would say fuck it and re up with Denver because of the money and or a possibility of someone wooing him as a free agent. But thats a chance I think the knicks should have taken. Could you imagine how good the knocks would be next year if they kept gallo and felton?

I really like gallo. he can become a 22 point per night guy and be a star in this league!

I don't agree. There is no reason to believe that Melo wouldn't end up in NJ or somewhere else of lesser interest to make that 20 million more. I don't think that's worth the risk bc if any league is dominated by teams with superstars, it's the NBA. You get 2-3 and you win a lot of games every year and in the playoffs. Add appropriate role players and you win championships or are at least in the picture. To me, you can replace good players A LOT easier than great players. I'm not a Knick fan, but can't argue this move personally.

[Snacks]

I don't agree. There is no reason to believe that Melo wouldn't end up in NJ or somewhere else of lesser interest to make that 20 million more. I don't think that's worth the risk bc if any league is dominated by teams with superstars, it's the NBA. You get 2-3 and you win a lot of games every year and in the playoffs. Add appropriate role players and you win championships or are at least in the picture. To me, you can replace good players A LOT easier than great players. I'm not a Knick fan, but can't argue this move personally.

I agree but my point is he didnt have to take the trade to any team and would have been a knick. Yes I do think it would have been tough for him to leave that kind of money on the table, lost. but I also think the knicks were sitting in the power position and would have kept players and paid less to him to get him as a free agent rather then paying more in a trade and losing those players. it doesnt matter now he is a knick and the deal is done but I dont think I would have done it, I would have taken the shot of waiting if I were the knicks!

[hanso]

Deals done mello to knicks

[Snoogans]

This is such a bad trade for the knicks. The reason its bad more then anything is no matter what he was going to the knicks. The knicks didnt need to make this trade they could have signed him as a free agent and kept the guys that they traded away. I understand there would always be a chance he would say fuck it and re up with Denver because of the money and or a possibility of someone wooing him as a free agent. But thats a chance I think the knicks should have taken. Could you imagine how good the knocks would be next year if they kept gallo and felton?

I really like gallo. he can become a 22 point per night guy and be a star in this league!

he wasnt going to the knicks in the summer. he wasnt leaving that money on the table. he woulda took it. besides, GALLO PLAYS THE SAME POSITION AS MELO, he woulda became a bench guy. and felton was only signed thru next year to bridge us to better PGs. he wasnt a permanent solution. Chandler was gone anyway, as were the 2 guys they sent to minnisota

this is a really good trade for the knicks. you are just a hater who is INSANELY jealous

[Snoogans]

I agree but my point is he didnt have to take the trade to any team and would have been a knick. Yes I do think it would have been tough for him to leave that kind of money on the table, lost. but I also think the knicks were sitting in the power position and would have kept players and paid less to him to get him as a free agent rather then paying more in a trade and losing those players. it doesnt matter now he is a knick and the deal is done but I dont think I would have done it, I would have taken the shot of waiting if I were the knicks!

he told dolan in our meeting friday night that he was going to sign the ext somewhere. WE COULD NOT WAIT FOR HIM

MELO SAID THAT TO US, THAT HE WAS SIGNING IT ANYWAY

[Snoogans]

Bill simmons:
It's just starting to dawn on me that Darko Milicic, Michael Beasley, Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph are on the same team."

[Snacks]

Peter Vecsey has gone nuts all day today about this trade. His NY Post article was an interesting read. He was on Boomer and Carton and said the Knicks actually took a step back from this trade. He said they might have a couple less losses with this team then they would have if they kept it the same. He said the knicks didnt need a scorer they needed defense. He said this trade went off the plans that the Knicks had and are and will be salary strapped!

None of this came from me but I happen to agree with him!

[Snoogans]

ive seen 2 people in the media killing this deal. Peter Vescey and Jemele Hill. Based on that, I think this might be the greatest trade in history for the Knicks. they are both retarded

[spoon]

Peter Vecsey has gone nuts all day today about this trade. His NY Post article was an interesting read. He was on Boomer and Carton and said the Knicks actually took a step back from this trade. He said they might have a couple less losses with this team then they would have if they kept it the same. He said the knicks didnt need a scorer they needed defense. He said this trade went off the plans that the Knicks had and are and will be salary strapped!

None of this came from me but I happen to agree with him!

Well I'm no NBA specialist, but the Knick's coach isn't a D minded coach. To me beefing up the D isn't the approach that will fit his system, so in essence the move fits the team/coaching. If you build up the team's D, outside of a big man in the middle, then you better be looking at a coaching move soon too. That just might be the next move here if things don't go extremely well now as expectations just went up a lot. However, to me having two big stars in the NBA is hardly ever a bad thing. It can't be worse than in the past for Knick fans, and in the end they'll now at least be a team in the mix.

[Snacks]

Well I'm no NBA specialist, but the Knick's coach isn't a D minded coach. To me beefing up the D isn't the approach that will fit his system, so in essence the move fits the team/coaching. If you build up the team's D, outside of a big man in the middle, then you better be looking at a coaching move soon too. That just might be the next move here if things don't go extremely well now as expectations just went up a lot. However, to me having two big stars in the NBA is hardly ever a bad thing. It can't be worse than in the past for Knick fans, and in the end they'll now at least be a team in the mix.

Hes not a D coach but people seem to think he wont be here next season or by the following season. They also dont think Donnie Walsh will be back either. Does that mean Isiah is on his way back? Please tell me yes! The only center they now have sucks and is alway hurt.

Like I said I think getting Melo is great and hes a stud scorer. But I dont think this is a better team and also think they will be in trouble fitting even more in under the upcoming CBA. Who knows what will happen? I do know the knicks will not get past Orlando, Chicago, Miami, or Boston any time soon. Now Boston is getting older, Miami is also cap strapped, Orlando will loss Howard. Chicago will and could be the only team the knicks may have to overcome in a year or 2. If that does happen Chicago is still better then the knicks and this could be the 1990s all over again!

[Snoogans]

Hes not a D coach but people seem to think he wont be here next season or by the following season. They also dont think Donnie Walsh will be back either. Does that mean Isiah is on his way back? Please tell me yes! The only center they now have sucks and is alway hurt.

Like I said I think getting Melo is great and hes a stud scorer. But I dont think this is a better team and also think they will be in trouble fitting even more in under the upcoming CBA. Who knows what will happen? I do know the knicks will not get past Orlando, Chicago, Miami, or Boston any time soon. Now Boston is getting older, Miami is also cap strapped, Orlando will loss Howard. Chicago will and could be the only team the knicks may have to overcome in a year or 2. If that does happen Chicago is still better then the knicks and this could be the 1990s all over again!

chicago will be cap strapped after the noah ext and they have to pay rose, plus boozers deal. EVERY good team is in that situation, which is why the NBA wont blow up record ratings and excitement and break them all up

[Snacks]

chicago will be cap strapped after the noah ext and they have to pay rose, plus boozers deal. EVERY good team is in that situation, which is why the NBA wont blow up record ratings and excitement and break them all up

But Chicago is set for at least 2 more years with no worries and I think they said the new CBA will have some sort of franchise tag. I also heard said franchise tag will be the only way to go over the cap or something like that. So they should be able to keep Rose for the 2 more years they already own his rights and probably another 2 more years after that at not a so high pay increase!

[underdog]

I wish wrestlingfan would get in here and smarten up this debate a little.

[Snoogans]

But Chicago is set for at least 2 more years with no worries and I think they said the new CBA will have some sort of franchise tag. I also heard said franchise tag will be the only way to go over the cap or something like that. So they should be able to keep Rose for the 2 more years they already own his rights and probably another 2 more years after that at not a so high pay increase!

none of those guys will become FAs i bet. they will either be tagged or traded during next year like melo was

[Crispy123]

I am originally from South Florida but I moved to Central Florida When I got out of the service in '07. Originally a Heat/Dolphin/Marlins fan I switched it up to the Magic & Rays when I moved here (I will always be a fins fan). At the start of this season I said I was switching back to the Heat. So, is this a dick move or what?

[spoon]

I am originally from South Florida but I moved to Central Florida When I got out of the service in '07. Originally a Heat/Dolphin/Marlins fan I switched it up to the Magic & Rays when I moved here (I will always be a fins fan). At the start of this season I said I was switching back to the Heat. So, is this a dick move or what?

Not as bad as HHH

[TheGameHHH]

Not as bad as HHH


Ur insane, you of all people should know I've been a lifelong SF Giants and Green Bay Packers fan

[Snacks]

As stated before. I wasnt making shit up and told you the owners are trying to do both a hard cap and a reduction to $45 million salary cap! What I didnt know was that they might not let teams have some kind of grandfather clause and teams will have to trade or cut players. Maybe they wont force cuts but they are truly trying to lower the cap and make it a hard cap.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14724909/knicks-pay-hefty-price-but-succeed-by-doubling-star-power

If the owners get the $45 million hard cap they proposed, then clearly the Knicks will be over it in 2012-13, even with only four players under contract. But if that's the case, then Miami will have to lose one of its Big Three, the Lakers will have to lose Pau Gasol or Lamar Odom, and on and on. And I don't care how stubborn David Stern and his owners are, they are not going to tear down a perfectly good, marketable and lucrative model with star players joining forces in attractive markets just to make a point.

[A.J.]

I wonder what number Carmelo will be wearing: because it's not going to be 15.

http://bullmurph.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/monroe.jpg

[Crispy123]

Ur insane, you of all people should know I've been a lifelong SF Giants and Green Bay Packers fan

I bet you ARE a San Fran fan! :wink:

[underdog]

Sources: Nets to get Deron Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6150419)

I fucking love this shit. I wish the NFL's trade deadline was like week 10 or something so we'd see moves like this.

[Snoogans]

As stated before. I wasnt making shit up and told you the owners are trying to do both a hard cap and a reduction to $45 million salary cap! What I didnt know was that they might not let teams have some kind of grandfather clause and teams will have to trade or cut players. Maybe they wont force cuts but they are truly trying to lower the cap and make it a hard cap.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14724909/knicks-pay-hefty-price-but-succeed-by-doubling-star-power

thats what i was tellin you. the league will never let the teams break up. too many teams would be over it. if they go true hard cap with no exceptions they cant do 45. if they get 45 there is going to be exceptions


btw, nice move by the Nets assuming he doesnt leave after next year

Nets just got Deron Williams. If they cant resign him its stupid but if they do its a great move

[Snoogans]

@Lockedonsports: Deron Williams told me it was not his choice. He's stunned. Declined interview until he figures out what it all means


not a great sign

[underdog]

@Lockedonsports: Deron Williams told me it was not his choice. He's stunned. Declined interview until he figures out what it all means


not a great sign

Well, he's leaving a playoff team to go play with New Jersey.

But at least he gets the fuck out of Utah.

[Snoogans]

Well, he's leaving a playoff team to go play with New Jersey.

But at least he gets the fuck out of Utah.

yea its really good for the nets for the next year and a half. but if they cant resign him after next year and he goes FA, its a TERRIBLE deal

[Snacks]

thats what i was tellin you. the league will never let the teams break up. too many teams would be over it. if they go true hard cap with no exceptions they cant do 45. if they get 45 there is going to be exceptions


btw, nice move by the Nets assuming he doesnt leave after next year

Nets just got Deron Williams. If they cant resign him its stupid but if they do its a great move

I like Williams, hes a stud but what happened in Utah left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope he listens to coaches better here. Youre right if we dont resign him then its a waste. It also might make him like the area, hate playing for the 2nd class area team and then go sign with the knicks (I doubt that because of the cap)

[Snacks]

yea its really good for the nets for the next year and a half. but if they cant resign him after next year and he goes FA, its a TERRIBLE deal

Actually I hate the trade now after looking up who they gave up. Favors, Harris and 2 1st rounders., wtf?

Favors and harris ok. Harris and a 1st rounder ok but not all of that! This is a point guard driven league but this was forced to try to make the headlines and take that away from the knicks. But that wont happen. Im happy Pro... (wtf is his name) hate the knicks and wont back down as the 2nd class owner but do the right things.

[underdog]

I like Williams, hes a stud but what happened in Utah left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope he listens to coaches better here. Youre right if we dont resign him then its a waste. It also might make him like the area, hate playing for the 2nd class area team and then go sign with the knicks (I doubt that because of the cap)

I don't understand the hate on Williams for the Utah situation. He's always been a super intense guy and he and Sloan got into it, ownership said Williams had a point, Sloan flipped out and quit.

[Snacks]

I don't understand the hate on Williams for the Utah situation. He's always been a super intense guy and he and Sloan got into it, ownership said Williams had a point, Sloan flipped out and quit.

Sloan has been a great coach and has more support in Utah. The player doesnt have to like the coach but needs to respect him and he didnt respect him. Hes the coach you are the player if the coach says run play A you run play A you dont do what you want!

On a side note, Im listening to Boomer and Carton from earlier today and whenever they played Donnie Walsh talking about the trade I wanted to stab my ears. What is wrong with that voice? He sounds like hes drunk, has throat cancer, a sandwich stuck in his throat, marbles in his mouth and he needs something to drink!

[Tenbatsuzen]

The upside for Deron is that he won't have to move once he goes to the team he wants to go to.

[Snacks]

The upside for Deron is that he won't have to move once he goes to the team he wants to go to.

The knicks cant afford him after the new CBA, wont happen!

[HBox]

If the Nets can keep Williams long term this is a brilliant move. First jack up the price for the Knicks of a player who was only going there anyway, stupid James Dolan caves in and gives up more than he had to, and then the Nets give up less than they were offering for Anthony for an arguably superior player.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The knicks cant afford him after the new CBA, wont happen!

You're a dolt. The end game after 'Bron spurned them was always to get CP3 or Deron. Once the knicks have shed more salary after next year, they can in fact sign him, CBA or not.

[Tenbatsuzen]

If the Nets can keep Williams long term this is a brilliant move. First jack up the price for the Knicks of a player who was only going there anyway, stupid James Dolan caves in and gives up more than he had to, and then the Nets give up less than they were offering for Anthony for an arguably superior player.

Given Deron's comments, the Nets are gonna have to sell and sell hard. It's going to be worse if the Knicks continue to improve and the Nets don't, new stadium or not.

[Snacks]

You're a dolt. The end game after 'Bron spurned them was always to get CP3 or Deron. Once the knicks have shed more salary after next year, they can in fact sign him, CBA or not.

Tenbats you really need to shut the fuck up and stop thinking you know everything about everything. I dont care what the plan was things in the league have changed! The salary cap is going to be around 45 to 50 million even if its 60 million they cant sign either of them. They will have on avg $40 million between melo and stoud. If they gave $15 million to cp3 or stoud and the salary cap was as high as 60 (it wont be) then they would have about 5 million more for 9 more players. You are an idiot.

[Snacks]

If the Nets can keep Williams long term this is a brilliant move. First jack up the price for the Knicks of a player who was only going there anyway, stupid James Dolan caves in and gives up more than he had to, and then the Nets give up less than they were offering for Anthony for an arguably superior player.

If the Nets can keep him, it may be more important of a trade for the Nets then getting Melo because this is a point guard driven league (at least right now). You need a PG and then an athletic big man and the Nets already have Lopez. They have their big 2 and Lopez is only getting better. They need to sign keep Humphries and let him work the boards like Jayson williams used to. He really reminds me of him in his play of alway being around the basket. In less playing time he is avg close to 10 boards a game. They now need a scorer at the SG position or small forward. They can do it in the draft or maybe make another trade but I dont think they have anyone left they can trade. They traded away the only players others would want (harris and favors). We will see what happens but if they cant keep Williams and its sounding like hes not happy then this could be trouble!

[underdog]

If the Nets can keep him, it may be more important of a trade for the Nets then getting Melo because this is a point guard driven league (at least right now). You need a PG and then an athletic big man and the Nets already have Lopez. They have their big 2 and Lopez is only getting better. They need to sign keep Humphries and let him work the boards like Jayson williams used to. He really reminds me of him in his play of alway being around the basket. In less playing time he is avg close to 10 boards a game. They now need a scorer at the SG position or small forward. They can do it in the draft or maybe make another trade but I dont think they have anyone left they can trade. They traded away the only players others would want (harris and favors). We will see what happens but if they cant keep Williams and its sounding like hes not happy then this could be trouble!

They also traded away their 1st rounders.

[Snacks]

They also traded away their 1st rounders.

They had 4 1st rounders over the next 2 years they now have 2!

[underdog]

They had 4 1st rounders over the next 2 years they now have 2!

Oh, then if they can keep Williams, they have a chance.

[Snacks]

I didnt hear about this trade until 3 pm or so. What I have read and heard so far is that the Nets made the better trade then the Knicks. They also said the Knicks would have been better off making a trade for Williams over Melo. I dont know but they all agree Melo will sell tickets that Williams wont.

ESPN used some weird stat system that tells you who truly is the best players in the league and they had Melo no higher then 23 best player (still great) But they said everyone over hypes him as a top 5 player and hes not. Williams they have as the best pg in the league. Im starting to like the Nets trade more and more and would rather have Williams on my team then Melo as far as talent. But once again Melo has that bigger name that would have helped NJ a little more with ticket sales and with pub!

Nets better sign this fucker as soon as the summer starts/ when they are allowed!

[underdog]

I didnt hear about this trade until 3 pm or so. What I have read and heard so far is that the Nets made the better trade then the Knicks. They also said the Knicks would have been better off making a trade for Williams over Melo. I dont know but they all agree Melo will sell tickets that Williams wont.

ESPN used some weird stat system that tells you who truly is the best players in the league and they had Melo no higher then 23 best player (still great) But they said everyone over hypes him as a top 5 player and hes not. Williams they have as the best pg in the league. Im starting to like the Nets trade more and more and would rather have Williams on my team then Melo as far as talent. But once again Melo has that bigger name that would have helped NJ a little more with ticket sales and with pub!

Nets better sign this fucker as soon as the summer starts/ when they are allowed!

Deron Williams is a great fucking player, and if the Nets keep him, it will turn out to be a great trade. He used to be #2 to only CP3, but no one pays any attention to him because he's west coast and in Utah.

[cougarjake13]

This is such a bad trade for the knicks. The reason its bad more then anything is no matter what he was going to the knicks. The knicks didnt need to make this trade they could have signed him as a free agent and kept the guys that they traded away. I understand there would always be a chance he would say fuck it and re up with Denver because of the money and or a possibility of someone wooing him as a free agent. But thats a chance I think the knicks should have taken. Could you imagine how good the knocks would be next year if they kept gallo and felton?

I really like gallo. he can become a 22 point per night guy and be a star in this league!

because melo openly stated he wasnt leaving the 3 yrs 65 mil on the table


he wasnt getting that kind of money as a free agent


thats why the knicks had to make the deal if they really wanted him

[Snacks]

Knicks opening game announcements were pretty good. It did see like Stoud received a little louder ovation then Melo did? Maybe it was because Stoud went last and Melo was 1st?

Lets see how this 1st game goes!
knics are a -7 1/2 I would take the point. Bucks have won something like 5 or 6 straight and this is the 1st game with a lot of new faces.

[Snoogans]

I like Williams, hes a stud but what happened in Utah left a bad taste in my mouth. I hope he listens to coaches better here. Youre right if we dont resign him then its a waste. It also might make him like the area, hate playing for the 2nd class area team and then go sign with the knicks (I doubt that because of the cap)

if they have grandfathering, or still have space, i think thats exactly what will happen as long as amare and melo dont specifically ask for CP3

[Snoogans]

by the way snacks, aside from the nets, the knicks project to have the most cap space after 2012 regardless of the CBA cause it will equally effect everyone. the knicks still have less money on the books for 12-13 than anyone else but the nets. so its not like they fucked themselves. now might they need to use it to fill the team instead of a 3rd star, maybe. but in terms of relative to the league, they are fine

[Snoogans]

Knicks opening game announcements were pretty good. It did see like Stoud received a little louder ovation then Melo did? Maybe it was because Stoud went last and Melo was 1st?

Lets see how this 1st game goes!
knics are a -7 1/2 I would take the point. Bucks have won something like 5 or 6 straight and this is the 1st game with a lot of new faces.

melo is forcing shit early. alot like amare did when he first got here. tryin too hard to be great. he will settle in though

[Snoogans]

melo pressin a bit, and shots not fallin, though i expected a bit of that after all the shit the last few days

13 points so far and 5 boards and a couple really nice passes actually. they arent hittin shots but they seem to be less disjointed then i thought for the first game together so quick

[Snacks]

The knicks are shooting 52% at the half and the bucks are shooting only 44% yet the knicks are only winning by 2? How about Stoud gets a fucking reb?

[Snoogans]

The knicks are shooting 52% at the half and the bucks are shooting only 44% yet the knicks are only winning by 2? How about Stoud gets a fucking reb?

they are gettin killed on the glass. 8 offensive boards already for milwaukee. and dantoni is a fuckin DOPE

At one point we had billups, toney douglas, melo, bill walker and shawne fuckin williams at the C

Melo looks tired and like he is pressing but still 14 and 5 is a decent first half. amare with 9, billups 8 and somehow TD has 11

[Snoogans]

Obviously i knew about him, but just gettin to see billups, he is fuckin GOOD man. I dont care if he is 34, he is still beating guys off the dribble. he isnt hitting shots tonight but he is setting guys up, gettin to the basket. Im very impressed and I had all star caliber expectations for him.

[Snoogans]

ok something is oging on here. Toney Douglas has 23 points on 10 of 12 shooting. I think some of the guys we have who were here before the deal (since dantoni hasnt played one of the other guys we guy for ONE FUCKIN MINUTE aside from billups and melo) see the future is bright and want to be a part of it, wanna make sure they stay a part of it. so they are all busting their ass, even on D

Douglas has been huge on both ends and shawne williams has played great d for the first time in his life too.

[Snoogans]

every time he needed to hit a big shot, we needed a bucket, he fuckin hit it. Melo had an off game but every time it was huge, he drilled it

[Snacks]

Did Stoud foul out? He had to because he wasnt in the game at the end? Terrible shooting game by Melo but he still had 27 points. Told you they wouldnt cover!

[Snoogans]

Did Stoud foul out? He had to because he wasnt in the game at the end? Terrible shooting game by Melo but he still had 27 points. Told you they wouldnt cover!

yea he fouled out with like 1:05 left. Melo had a terrible first half, 5-14 or 5-15. he shot better but not great 2nd half but hit one every time we really needed one. And he grabbed 10 boards. I didnt expect him to be on fire, im sure he is pretty worn out. and they didnt even get a practice in. Im very happy with what I saw from melo and Chauncy was even better than I imagined he could be

[newport king]

i remembered Lala being alot prettier.

[hanso]

Knicks opening game announcements were pretty good. It did see like Stoud received a little louder ovation then Melo did? Maybe it was because Stoud went last and Melo was 1st?

Lets see how this 1st game goes!
knics are a -7 1/2 I would take the point. Bucks have won something like 5 or 6 straight and this is the 1st game with a lot of new faces.

Was looking around for highlights or lookins last night, never happened.

[Snoogans]

wow, i never knew there was a salary FLOOR in the NBA:

League rules dictate that every team in the NBA must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap in any given season. That computes to $43,533,000 this season, with the salary cap ceiling established at $58,044,000.

Sacramento, though, has actually slipped beneath that threshold with the trade that sent Carl Landry to New Orleans for Marcus Thornton. The Kings’ payroll for the season has dipped to $42,489,034, which puts them $1,043,966 beneath the minimum.

So if the Kings don't make another trade in the final five hours before the trade deadline, they'll have two options:

1. Spend that $1,043,966 before the end of the season on new players, whether it’s D-League callups or a free-agent signing or two.

2. Distribute that $1,043,966 evenly to the players on their roster when the regular season ends April 13 to meet league spending requirements.

[Fallon]

Celts trade Perkins and Nate to oklahoma city. Don't know much about the guys they got back. But Perk iys always hurt and getting techs, so whatever.

[Snoogans]

Celts trade Perkins and Nate to oklahoma city. Don't know much about the guys they got back. But Perk iys always hurt and getting techs, so whatever.

you got back a 7'1 center in Nenad Kristic who is average. Can be good on D and might be motivated. Also you got back jeff green who is a 6'8 SF/PF who can knock down shots and hustles on 2. 2 good pick ups that fit well in boston

[epo]

That's funny. Jeff Green ended up being the pick that the Celtics gave the Supersonics for Ray Allen.

[cougarjake13]

Obviously i knew about him, but just gettin to see billups, he is fuckin GOOD man. I dont care if he is 34, he is still beating guys off the dribble. he isnt hitting shots tonight but he is setting guys up, gettin to the basket. Im very impressed and I had all star caliber expectations for him.

and whats crazy is hasnt he played for like half the teams of the nba ??

[cougarjake13]

wow, i never knew there was a salary FLOOR in the NBA:

League rules dictate that every team in the NBA must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap in any given season. That computes to $43,533,000 this season, with the salary cap ceiling established at $58,044,000.

Sacramento, though, has actually slipped beneath that threshold with the trade that sent Carl Landry to New Orleans for Marcus Thornton. The Kings’ payroll for the season has dipped to $42,489,034, which puts them $1,043,966 beneath the minimum.

So if the Kings don't make another trade in the final five hours before the trade deadline, they'll have two options:

1. Spend that $1,043,966 before the end of the season on new players, whether it’s D-League callups or a free-agent signing or two.

2. Distribute that $1,043,966 evenly to the players on their roster when the regular season ends April 13 to meet league spending requirements.



wow its not much but if i was a player id hope thgey do nothing and give me some of that money


wont happen thou theyll re invest in d league call up or free agent





mlb needs to institute a same type of salary floor

[A.J.]

you got back a 7'1 center in Nenad Kristic who is average. Can be good on D and might be motivated. Also you got back jeff green who is a 6'8 SF/PF who can knock down shots and hustles on 2. 2 good pick ups that fit well in boston

I liked KP for his defense but now you have to rely on the O'Neals down the stretch. IF -- they can stay healthy.

[Snoogans]

I liked KP for his defense but now you have to rely on the O'Neals down the stretch. IF -- they can stay healthy.

Kristic is like 7'1. another big body inside

[Dudeman]

I liked KP for his defense but now you have to rely on the O'Neals down the stretch. IF -- they can stay healthy.

I think ainge wanted more at the SF than at C. To get out of the east, you'll have to deal with Lebron and Carmello, who are bigger threats than Orlando right now. So the trade may help them in the east, but if they play the Lakers, I think the Lakers would be happy to not have to deal with the Perkins/Garnett combo.

(By the way, fuck the Celtics for so many reasons, including the fact that that fucker mccale gave that fucker ainge Garnett just to help the celtics.)

[underdog]

(By the way, fuck the Celtics for so many reasons, including the fact that that fucker mccale gave that fucker ainge Garnett just to help the celtics.)

They traded two #1s and some great (at the time) prospects for Garnett. Al Jefferson was supposed to be a beast.

[Snoogans]

They traded two #1s and some great (at the time) prospects for Garnett. Al Jefferson was supposed to be a beast.

and Garnett was supposed to be almost outta gas too

[OGC]

Celts trade Perkins and Nate to oklahoma city. Don't know much about the guys they got back. But Perk iys always hurt and getting techs, so whatever.

you got back a 7'1 center in Nenad Kristic who is average. Can be good on D and might be motivated. Also you got back jeff green who is a 6'8 SF/PF who can knock down shots and hustles on 2. 2 good pick ups that fit well in boston


Celts also got a 2012 #1 draft pick (from the Clippers) in the deal.

Apparently Perkins rejected a recent contract extension recently and the Celts didn't think they would be able to sign him for a reasonable price after this season.

[Snacks]

wow, i never knew there was a salary FLOOR in the NBA:

League rules dictate that every team in the NBA must spend at least 75 percent of the salary cap in any given season. That computes to $43,533,000 this season, with the salary cap ceiling established at $58,044,000.

Sacramento, though, has actually slipped beneath that threshold with the trade that sent Carl Landry to New Orleans for Marcus Thornton. The Kings’ payroll for the season has dipped to $42,489,034, which puts them $1,043,966 beneath the minimum.

So if the Kings don't make another trade in the final five hours before the trade deadline, they'll have two options:

1. Spend that $1,043,966 before the end of the season on new players, whether it’s D-League callups or a free-agent signing or two.

2. Distribute that $1,043,966 evenly to the players on their roster when the regular season ends April 13 to meet league spending requirements.

Thats why the nets signed those players to bigger then expected contracts like morrow and that why they traded for troy murphy. They were so far under the cap they needed to make up like $20 million or something this year.

[underdog]

Celts also got a 2012 #1 draft pick (from the Clippers) in the deal.

Apparently Perkins rejected a recent contract extension recently and the Celts didn't think they would be able to sign him for a reasonable price after this season.

Yeah, he wanted $10mil+ a year.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, he wanted $10mil+ a year.

if true then its always better to get something for a guy then nothing

[underdog]

if true then its always better to get something for a guy then nothing

Yeah, absolutely. I'm fine with the move, but people REALLY liked the guy, so it hit a lot of people really hard. But it was definitely a good move. That guy was gone after this year, more than likely.

[epo]

Go Cavaliers!

[Snacks]

Go Cavaliers!

The knicks lost to Clev? Are you fucking kidding me? They might have better talent but this team has no defense they will not win anything.

[Snoogans]

The knicks lost to Clev? Are you fucking kidding me? They might have better talent but this team has no defense they will not win anything.

2nd time this year they lost to cleveland. they lost to cleveland right before that 20 game losing streak or whatever

and it wasnt so much defense as rebounding. we need a big man first and foremost. Cleveland had like 60 rebounds

[hanso]

Go Nuggets

[TjM]

PUSSSSSSSSSSSSY

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/boshflop.gif

[cougarjake13]

PUSSSSSSSSSSSSY

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/boshflop.gif

worse dive then any one ive seen in the barclays premier league

[cougarjake13]

Go Nuggets

where to a sub 10 win team ??

[hanso]

Was gonna ask why no teams want Rip Hamilton. But I see the Cavs did and he turned it down.



CJ
I say that because one of the first 2 wins post mello was Vs Celts.

[cougarjake13]

Was gonna ask why no teams want Rip Hamilton. But I see the Cavs did and he turned it down.



CJ
I say that because one of the first 2 wins post mello was Vs Celts.

gotcha

[Sinestro]

The Knicks beat the Heat. So the Heat isn't that good I guess.

[foodcourtdruide]

The Knicks beat the Heat. So the Heat isn't that good I guess.

Knicks were down by 15 at one point and ended up winning by 5. Lebron had a really bad game, including missing the game tying 3.

[Snoogans]

Knicks were down by 15 at one point and ended up winning by 5. Lebron had a really bad game, including missing the game tying 3.

give some credit. unless you didnt watch. The Knicks actually played REALLY good d, especially in the 4th. they were gettin steals, big blocks, they rebounded better, not great. And Melo did a pretty good job on bron. the heat were on fire first half but the knicks stepped it up and closed late. heat were up like 8 with 2 min left and the knicks went on a 13-2 run

[Snacks]

Knicks were down by 15 at one point and ended up winning by 5. Lebron had a really bad game, including missing the game tying 3.

and wade shot like 30%. The score was a low scoring game I would say Miami lost not that the knicks won. The knicks arent holding anyone to 86 points. For a team to score that low on the knicks its because they shot like shit.

[Snoogans]

and wade shot like 30%. The score was a low scoring game I would say Miami lost not that the knicks won. The knicks arent holding anyone to 86 points. For a team to score that low on the knicks its because they shot like shit.

miami shot 68% in the first and were over 50% at half time. The knicks forced alot of bad shots. Lets not act like the knicks just didnt do anything. They played a hell of a game. give a little credit. if you watched the game and didnt just look at the box score you would know it wasnt just miami sucking. not even close

[Snoogans]

and for the game miami shot like 6% better than the knicks did. So it wasnt like the knicks just got lucky and were on fire either

[Snoogans]

Knicks were down by 15 at one point and ended up winning by 5. Lebron had a really bad game, including missing the game tying 3.

LeBron James 10-20 FG | 6-8 FT | 7 REB | 5 AST | 27 PTS

i dont know if i would call this a really bad game. its actually a pretty good game

and wade was bad shooting, 5 for 15, but had 9 assists and 7 rebounds. its not like he disappeared

[Snacks]

I knew you would respond. Wasnt wade like 5-15 for 12 points. If he just comes close to his norm they win! Then again Stoud has his points gone way down since Melo showed up!

[Snoogans]

I knew you would respond. Wasnt wade like 5-15 for 12 points. If he just comes close to his norm they win! Then again Stoud has his points gone way down since Melo showed up!

has he? he has 19, 31 and 16. he is avg 26 a game. seems like he is pretty close to average. But why would you actually know since you havent watched. He had to score over 20 before melo cause no one else could consistantly score

And yea i said wade shot bad, but added 7 boards and 9 assists. And we can play that game. the knicks shot 38.8% for the game. they avg 106 PPG. if they had shot their norm, they woulda won by 30. point is they won the game, and they played well, and you probably didnt even watch it, but because one guy had a bad shooting game they musta blown it. Even though if you watched, you would realize tough D forced the bad shooting game, like it usually does when most good NBA players have off nights. Its cause of good D. Watch a game then come talk, cause right now you are just shooting off shit that isnt right.

besides, most of the celtics avgs all went down whent hey got together. cause they are spreading it around more.

[Snacks]

has he? he has 19, 31 and 16. he is avg 26 a game. seems like he is pretty close to average. But why would you actually know since you havent watched. He had to score over 20 before melo cause no one else could consistantly score

And yea i said wade shot bad, but added 7 boards and 9 assists. And we can play that game. the knicks shot 38.8% for the game. they avg 106 PPG. if they had shot their norm, they woulda won by 30. point is they won the game, and they played well, and you probably didnt even watch it, but because one guy had a bad shooting game they musta blown it. Even though if you watched, you would realize tough D forced the bad shooting game, like it usually does when most good NBA players have off nights. Its cause of good D. Watch a game then come talk, cause right now you are just shooting off shit that isnt right.

besides, most of the celtics avgs all went down whent hey got together. cause they are spreading it around more.

Yes Stoud is down since the trade. If your #s are correct he is now avg 22 since the trade that close to 20% down. Thats not a good thing!

We obviously like different teams and you are making your point based on being a fan of this team and Im doing it as someone who hates them. That all being said my opinion is this trade wasnt what they needed and wont help them win anything. I actually think this trade might hurt them. They should have traded for d will or cp3. Melo is a scorer nothing more and I also dont think hes a team type of guy but thats me.

Before you say I wanted Melo, I did but we needed a scorer and a big NAME to help the franchise. I never really liked Melo and never thought he was top 5 player in the league. I like that hes a big name and the nets needed one. They now got one and made the better all around trade. Now they need to keep them thats the big question.

[Snoogans]

Yes Stoud is down since the trade. If your #s are correct he is now avg 22 since the trade that close to 20% down. Thats not a good thing!

We obviously like different teams and you are making your point based on being a fan of this team and Im doing it as someone who hates them. That all being said my opinion is this trade wasnt what they needed and wont help them win anything. I actually think this trade might hurt them. They should have traded for d will or cp3. Melo is a scorer nothing more and I also dont think hes a team type of guy but thats me.

Before you say I wanted Melo, I did but we needed a scorer and a big NAME to help the franchise. I never really liked Melo and never thought he was top 5 player in the league. I like that hes a big name and the nets needed one. They now got one and made the better all around trade. Now they need to keep them thats the big question.

bold point 1 - yea but if you watched, its not cause of gettin less. he is just not shooting as well. in fact, its over the last 10 games, not the last 3. he is shooting about the same, just not hitting. i think its more his toe and the beating and minutes.

bold part 2 - iver made this point before. these are the exact same things guys said about pierce and garnett when the Cs did that deal. Same thing guys said about miami guys too. They will figure it out. You act like they are done building the team. Of course this team isnt gonna win. but when they get a defensive Center in there, and other defensive roll players, then yes, you can win with these 2 guys. Its way more about the coach and his lack of abilities.

to the last part. Melo is what we need. Scorers. Its not like the guys we traded away played D. We are gonna fill that in around these 2 or 3 if they are able to go that direction. the point is they arent done, but you keep judging the entire future as if this is going to be the team. thats just not correct, so its dumb that you keep doing it.

And its also sad that you make points about the game that make you look like you dont know, like just assuming the heat played terrible. they didnt, bosh played well, bron played well, wade shot bad and didnt score but he did alot of other things. you completely discredit the knicks and act like they almost won on accident. it just makes you look stupid to anyone who actually does pay attention.

[hanso]

At least it did't hinge on the refs. like the road game (Chi) where James drove all game while being hacked. Only to get one late call then one more at end.

[Snacks]

bold point 1 - yea but if you watched, its not cause of gettin less. he is just not shooting as well. in fact, its over the last 10 games, not the last 3. he is shooting about the same, just not hitting. i think its more his toe and the beating and minutes.

bold part 2 - iver made this point before. these are the exact same things guys said about pierce and garnett when the Cs did that deal. Same thing guys said about miami guys too. They will figure it out. You act like they are done building the team. Of course this team isnt gonna win. but when they get a defensive Center in there, and other defensive roll players, then yes, you can win with these 2 guys. Its way more about the coach and his lack of abilities.

to the last part. Melo is what we need. Scorers. Its not like the guys we traded away played D. We are gonna fill that in around these 2 or 3 if they are able to go that direction. the point is they arent done, but you keep judging the entire future as if this is going to be the team. thats just not correct, so its dumb that you keep doing it.

And its also sad that you make points about the game that make you look like you dont know, like just assuming the heat played terrible. they didnt, bosh played well, bron played well, wade shot bad and didnt score but he did alot of other things. you completely discredit the knicks and act like they almost won on accident. it just makes you look stupid to anyone who actually does pay attention.

The knicks have no def they held a team to 86 points you tell me if I needed to watch the game or just no and understand basketball? Miami has a great def so the knicks only scoring 91 doesnt shock me. Good def will stop good offense more then the reverse. The knicks give up the 2nd most points a game so a team that fives up 102 or 106 points only gives up 86 to Miami comes across as a team that lost the game themselves not the other way around.

#s dont lie!

[Snoogans]

the numbers that show miami shot a higher % and lost the game? that usually shows the team played pretty good d and rebounded pretty well, allowing themselves to get more shots.

and yes, ALOT of times, numbers lie. thats why it helps to watch the game

[Snacks]

the numbers that show miami shot a higher % and lost the game? that usually shows the team played pretty good d and rebounded pretty well, allowing themselves to get more shots.

and yes, ALOT of times, numbers lie. thats why it helps to watch the game

Stop hating on others opinions. If I read a book I dont need to watch the movie. Same thing is this case. The worst defense in the league holds a great def and good scoring team that has 2 of the 5 best players/scorers on their team to 86 points. I watched the Oscars that was more important.

[Snoogans]

Stop hating on others opinions. If I read a book I dont need to watch the movie. Same thing is this case. The worst defense in the league holds a great def and good scoring team that has 2 of the 5 best players/scorers on their team to 86 points. I watched the Oscars that was more important.

its not hating on opinions, its called debate. which you cant do cause no matter what, you are so stubborn that whatever you think is right. you didnt watch one second of the game but you know exactly how the whole game played out. thats awesome. dont even post things to me anymore until you stop being too ignorant to consider you may be wrong sometimes

yea the knicks are a bad defensive team. but bad players have good games. you didnt see, you say its impossible the knicks played good D. but you didnt watch a SECOND

[Snacks]

its not hating on opinions, its called debate. which you cant do cause no matter what, you are so stubborn that whatever you think is right. you didnt watch one second of the game but you know exactly how the whole game played out. thats awesome. dont even post things to me anymore until you stop being too ignorant to consider you may be wrong sometimes

yea the knicks are a bad defensive team. but bad players have good games. you didnt see, you say its impossible the knicks played good D. but you didnt watch a SECOND

I watched most of the 1st half and thought the knicks were going to get killed after the 1st q. I dont know what happened but I would believe the heat got cold before i would believe the knicks turned up their def and actually played good d.

You are the one who thinks hes always right. talk about a pot calling a kettle black.

[Snoogans]

I watched most of the 1st half and thought the knicks were going to get killed after the 1st q. I dont know what happened but I would believe the heat got cold before i would believe the knicks turned up their def and actually played good d.

You are the one who thinks hes always right. talk about a pot calling a kettle black.

i already said the heat went cold. but alot of times, when a team goes cold, its cause the D stepped up. im not blind, i know the knicks are terrible on d. but d is mostly about effort and for one half, they actually stepped up and played some pretty damn good D. and you fuckin know id be the first to rip them if they did something shitty, cause i do it all the time. but im not gonna sit here and let someone who didnt watch the 2nd half tell me how the half went when i fuckin watched it. the heat missed alot of shots, mostly cause the knicks clamped down and didnt let them get inside, so they took alot of outside shots, alot of shots late in the clock. took a couple 24 second violations, thats cause of good d when that stuff happens. but you didnt see, so you jsut figure they didnt hit shots they normally would. that wasnt the case most of the time

[underdog]

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/02/sadperk.jpg

[Snoogans]

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/02/sadperk.jpg

he looks thrilled


isnt he out like 3 weeks?

[A.J.]

I sure hope the Boston fans will embrace a guy named "Murph".

Troy Murphy picks Celtics over Heat (http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/nba/news/story?id=6170568)

[Fallon]

Great news, they needed another big man.

[cougarjake13]

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/02/sadperk.jpg

holy fuck thats sad

[mdr55]

So the Knicks can't beat the supposedly Worst Sports Franchise. WTF???

[cougarjake13]

So the Knicks can't beat the supposedly Worst Sports Franchise. WTF???

christ again ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The crying game?


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/06/spoelstra-makes-mistake-in-saying-heat-players-cry-after-loss/

[underdog]

The crying game?


http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/06/spoelstra-makes-mistake-in-saying-heat-players-cry-after-loss/

WHY DOES EVERYTHING YOU POST HAVE A BUMPER STICKER SAYING ON IT?!

You cannot talk like a normal person.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WHY DOES EVERYTHING YOU POST HAVE A BUMPER STICKER SAYING ON IT?!

You cannot talk like a normal person.


http://blog.bekahbrunstetter.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/mean-old-lady.jpg

[Snoogans]

heat lost again. just dropped one at home to portland 105-96

[Sinestro]

heat lost again. just dropped one at home to portland 105-96

Wow. I was following the score. It looked like it was a close game, margin was 5 points most of the game.

[Snacks]

heat lost again. just dropped one at home to portland 105-96

0-5 now on this current 11 game against winning team schedule.

they suck. I think they will trade bosh in the off season and get back 2 players for depth and heart. Maybe they trade LeBron and get back 3 or 4 players? Who knows

[TheGameHHH]

0-5 now on this current 11 game against winning team schedule.

they suck. I think they will trade bosh in the off season and get back 2 players for depth and heart. Maybe they trade LeBron and get back 3 or 4 players? Who knows

they dont suck, they just arent a complete team yet. people care wayy too much about the regular season. like ten times this season ive heard people go from 'the lakers are done, theyre too old and cant play d' to 'theyre back, they look like champions. even better than last year'. and back again. nothing in the nba counts until may and june.

i dont think the heat are going to win a championship this year, they shouldnt even get out of the east. but with the right offseason additions, and NOT trading bosh, they can have a very strong next 2 years.

[Snoogans]

0-5 now on this current 11 game against winning team schedule.

they suck. I think they will trade bosh in the off season and get back 2 players for depth and heart. Maybe they trade LeBron and get back 3 or 4 players? Who knows

nobody would take bosh's deal.

[Snacks]

they dont suck, they just arent a complete team yet. people care wayy too much about the regular season. like ten times this season ive heard people go from 'the lakers are done, theyre too old and cant play d' to 'theyre back, they look like champions. even better than last year'. and back again. nothing in the nba counts until may and june.

i dont think the heat are going to win a championship this year, they shouldnt even get out of the east. but with the right offseason additions, and NOT trading bosh, they can have a very strong next 2 years.

They do suck and talked way too much shit in the off season. This is totally different then the lakers. The lakers can have an on off regular season because they are a team that has done it 3 times in 4 years. The heat need to play as a team and cant. They are 0-11 or 1-11 in games decided on the last shot. They cant beat teams with winning records and they cant beat teams with a big front court. They suck!

As for getting the right additions, they cant. They are already over the cap. They had to sign players to vet min, and vet exceptions just to fill out a roster. They then traded whatever they could for 2nd round picks because as of now they dont hurt your cap.

[Snacks]

nobody would take bosh's deal.

I disagree, Bosh although a pussy is a good player. He needs to be the power forward that also plays some small forward type of games. He cant be playing center and is afraid to do so. Remember he isnt signed for the max deal either he is at around $14 or $15 or $16 a year when he could have gotten around $20 so his contract is trade-able compared to other max type of players.

[hanso]

Did he ever play big? Why the moniker? Very few play big for that matter.

[Snoogans]

I disagree, Bosh although a pussy is a good player. He needs to be the power forward that also plays some small forward type of games. He cant be playing center and is afraid to do so. Remember he isnt signed for the max deal either he is at around $14 or $15 or $16 a year when he could have gotten around $20 so his contract is trade-able compared to other max type of players.

bron and wade took less and let bosh have more. the first year of bosh contract is 16.4 and its backloaded. he is a soft bum adn thats going to be a TERRIBLE contract in a couple years

[Snacks]

bron and wade took less and let bosh have more. the first year of bosh contract is 16.4 and its backloaded. he is a soft bum adn thats going to be a TERRIBLE contract in a couple years

thanks right because bosh wouldnt get the same in adv money that wade and lebron got. I remember that now but for some reason cant find the exact terms. Everything I see says hes getting $14.5 this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

No matter what it is someone will take him if Miami wanted to trade him.

[Fallon]

Just read that Lebron is going to win less games this season than last.

Ha!

[Snoogans]

thanks right because bosh wouldnt get the same in adv money that wade and lebron got. I remember that now but for some reason cant find the exact terms. Everything I see says hes getting $14.5 this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boshch01.html

No matter what it is someone will take him if Miami wanted to trade him.

im not sure how they are doin it. hoops hype as all 3 listed as gettin the same every year but i know they were sayin bosh got like 2 mill more when they all signed. According to hoops hyp its 14.5, 16, 17.5, 18 and then player options for 20.5 and 22.1

I dont know alotta teams who would take that on for Bosh

[TheGameHHH]

They do suck and talked way too much shit in the off season. This is totally different then the lakers. The lakers can have an on off regular season because they are a team that has done it 3 times in 4 years. The heat need to play as a team and cant. They are 0-11 or 1-11 in games decided on the last shot. They cant beat teams with winning records and they cant beat teams with a big front court. They suck!

As for getting the right additions, they cant. They are already over the cap. They had to sign players to vet min, and vet exceptions just to fill out a roster. They then traded whatever they could for 2nd round picks because as of now they dont hurt your cap.

They did talk too much shit, I agree. But at 43-21 they suck? It just doesn't make sense

[Snacks]

They did talk too much shit, I agree. But at 43-21 they suck? It just doesn't make sense

They suck based on who they think they are and who they think everyone else thinks they should be. They suck because they cant beat good teams. They suck because they only beat teams like the Twolves and Cavs! They have a good record but that is a tricky record that when looked at closely is one big magic show!

[TheGameHHH]

They suck based on who they think they are and who they think everyone else thinks they should be. They suck because they cant beat good teams. They suck because they only beat teams like the Twolves and Cavs! They have a good record but that is a tricky record that when looked at closely is one big magic show!

are the lakers not a good team? cause the heat have beat them twice now

[Snacks]

are the lakers not a good team? cause the heat have beat them twice now

No the Lakers are good and losing twice to the heat means shit. Are the cavs a good team? They beat the knicks 3 times now! Means nothing, lakers were due for a loss they won 8 straight and the heat was due for a win they lost 5 straight. Heat sucks!

[Snacks]

Nets win 4 straight and 2 straight without Williams!

Humphries is a beast he is avg 16 pts and 15 reb in the last 6! Must be all that fat ass he is getting?!

[Snacks]

lots of great info on next season nba and the future of the league

I like this part

The Heat already have 12 players under contract for the 2011-12 season at just north of $67 million. The only CBA proposal offered by the owners thus far -- with 3½ months to go before the current agreement expires -- calls for a hard salary cap of $45 million. If existing contracts are grandfathered, or exempted from cap calculations if the league adopts a franchise tag, that could make up some of the difference. But those discussions can only be had if the National Basketball Players Association agrees to a hard cap. Coming out of the most recent bargaining session at All-Star weekend, such a system remains a deal-breaker for the players.


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/14797731/postups-enjoy-or-hate-this-version-of-heat-while-you-can

[TheGameHHH]

Nets win 4 straight and 2 straight without Williams!

Humphries is a beast he is avg 16 pts and 15 reb in the last 6! Must be all that fat ass he is getting?!

I was there tonight. I went to see Blake and aside from a few beastly dunks I thought he was kind of lazy as a player. If would have given you 50-1 odds on a bet that Jordan Farmer was going to out score Blake tonight, you would have made some nice bank on me. Though I gotta be honest, I spent a good portion of the game watching the devils game on the tv in our suite.

[hanso]

The Heat do some kinda fist hugs now. The media & parrots can blow that into some huge BS.

[hanso]

Saw this used in a game on tv by the mascot.

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[Crispy_Mobile]

The Heat are on fire. As the rapper known as Krazed would say, fuck the haters!

[Snoogans]

i dont know if id call 2 wins on fire. esp considering they are still 2-5 their last 7

[Snacks]

Since the big trades the records are as follows

Utah 8-2
NYK 6-5

Nets 5-3 (2 wins came w/o Deron)
Utah 4-7

I guess Denver really didnt need Melo and Utah is now lost without their star.

Im so happy Melo didnt go to the Nets. I think the Nets got the better player at a more important position for a lot less!

Now they need to sign him long term. I think the new CBA will make that a lot easier for them to keep him then for him to go elsewhere!

[Snoogans]

Since the big trades the records are as follows

Utah 8-2
NYK 6-5

Nets 5-3 (2 wins came w/o Deron)
Utah 4-7

I guess Denver really didnt need Melo and Utah is now lost without their star.

Im so happy Melo didnt go to the Nets. I think the Nets got the better player at a more important position for a lot less!

Now they need to sign him long term. I think the new CBA will make that a lot easier for them to keep him then for him to go elsewhere!

yea, and miami was 9-8. Im sorry, i forgot in your world that teams have magic chemistry and just mesh without ANY time.

I agree with you only about the Nets making out by not gettin melo and ending up wtih D Will. but lets please actually look up some shit before you start tryin to turn this into melo ruined the knicks. The knicks are worse cause they dont have a full enough team. they are playin 2 guards at Center. Its not cause of melo, its cause the team is incomplete. NO ONE EVER SAID THIS WASNT GOING TO BE THE CASE. In fact, I cant think of a single knicks fan who thought they would win a title off this team this year. Thats just insanity.

The point is, its a hell of alot easier to build a title team around amare and melo than it woulda been to build it around Amare and Gallo, since chandler was gone anyway and felton was only a 2 year stop gap. But lets not let ANY facts get in the way of sensationalism

and as for the nets, for now you got the better end. however williams hasnt signed and already said he WONT sign an extension. If you bothered to read, money has NOTHING to do with it. He already told the nets I will not sign an extension in the summer, i wanna wait and see how next year goes. If he is stuck playin with brook lopez and outlaw and guys like that, he isnt going to stay. Its not about you guys convincing him to take the money or whatever. You gotta get some stuff to put around him. And there isnt really much available this summer and you cant wait til next summer cause he will be FA.

[Snoogans]

also, though i agree the denver shit is crazy, its not like they are doing it with knicks players. Denver has played Mozgov like 3 minutes, gallo has been out 2 weeks and felton doesnt even start. its been mostly the guys they already had. That actually happens alot in sports. its called the ewing theory. Most people dont actually believe the team is better without the star, they just galvanize and step up. But it doesnt last. Eventually they start playing back to their talent level. it happens in all sports actually. Example, BRANDON JACOBS THAT FUCKIN BUM. Tiki Left, he stepped up, everyone though well we are fine, they gave him a big contract and boom. He went back to his talent level after awhile and now he is what he was, a stiff bum who dances around like a fairy

[hanso]

Since the big trades the records are as follows

Utah 8-2
NYK 6-5

Nets 5-3 (2 wins came w/o Deron)
Utah 4-7

I guess Denver really didnt need Melo and Utah is now lost without their star.

Im so happy Melo didnt go to the Nets. I think the Nets got the better player at a more important position for a lot less!

Now they need to sign him long term. I think the new CBA will make that a lot easier for them to keep him then for him to go elsewhere!

Tell that to BOS.

DEN 8-2

[Snacks]

Tell that to BOS.

DEN 8-2

Why?

[Snacks]

The Knicks better pull this game out and win. WTF the nets could be only 5 out of the playoffs with a knicks win. How the fuck are they losing by 10 in the 3rd q? Hansbrough already has 23 points? I hate this fucking team!

[Snoogans]

The Knicks better pull this game out and win. WTF the nets could be only 5 out of the playoffs with a knicks win. How the fuck are they losing by 10 in the 3rd q? Hansbrough already has 23 points? I hate this fucking team!

maybe they are doin it on purpose


the answer is simple. they always do this under the dope, they just play to the competition. they fuckin beat miami and hang with those guys and then just mail in these games. its pissing me off. Fire this asshole

[Snacks]

FUCK and once again this shit team and their shit defense cant stop anybody with 8 seconds left.

I dont care that the knicks lost, I only care because it hurts the nets. chances are the nets aint going to make it anyway! But 5 would have been better then 6 out.

[hanso]

Why?

Nets beat them the other night.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Strictly a rumor, but Yardbarker is saying Nash left his wife after she had a black baby.

[disneyspy]

Strictly a rumor, but Yardbarker is saying Nash left his wife after she had a black baby.

just think what he would've done had she had a black man!

[TheGameHHH]

What are the odds this is actually true?

[epo]

What are the odds this is actually true?

You judge:

http://www.arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/images/stories/food/nash-family.jpg

Looks like a bullshit story to me.

[Snacks]

You judge:

http://www.arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/images/stories/food/nash-family.jpg

Looks like a bullshit story to me.

Even if the kid was darker it could have been because his wife. She looks like she has some black or some other race in her besides white!

[Tenbatsuzen]

You judge:

http://www.arizonafoothillsmagazine.com/images/stories/food/nash-family.jpg

Looks like a bullshit story to me.

http://www1.bet.com/Assets/BET/Published/image/jpeg/1f080cb3-4023-b832-c6a3-8c733a80d083-News_FB_BTWB_PalinFamily.jpg

[A.J.]

These nailbiter Celts wins will be the death of me.

[disneyspy]

worst rap ever

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[foodcourtdruide]

worst rap ever

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I will not click this link and listen to this song. I refuse.

[foodcourtdruide]

worst rap ever

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I hate you disneyspy

[disneyspy]

I hate you disneyspy

its fuckin horrible aint it?

[Snacks]

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They should be embarrassed thats why they dont let you leave comments on this vide on youtube.

Here is the much better old school version.

Funny thing is the "rapper" who made this is now the owner of 1 of the largest private jet companies in the world marquis jet!

[TheGameHHH]

Funny thing is the "rapper" who made this is now the owner of 1 of the largest private jet companies in the world marquis jet!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

LA better bounce back and even this bitch up tonight

[jonyrotn]

Good for them..The Knicks played just good enough to play themselves out of a lottery pick as the Celtics go marching on..

[cougarjake13]

Good for them..The Knicks played just good enough to play themselves out of a lottery pick as the Celtics go marching on..

2 home playoff games and somewhat relevant again might be enough for this season



now its a matter of who else they can add

[TheGameHHH]

Good for them..The Knicks played just good enough to play themselves out of a lottery pick as the Celtics go marching on..

truthfully i think the knicks took a great first step this year in the playoffs, sure they lost all 4 games but they battled and it gave them experience. if they can get some more pieces for next year and beyond they will be a force in the east.

[Snacks]

truthfully i think the knicks took a great first step this year in the playoffs, sure they lost all 4 games but they battled and it gave them experience. if they can get some more pieces for next year and beyond they will be a force in the east.

I keep hearing this but can someone tell me how they can afford more pieces? Now Billups should be gone but that still wont help the new cap unless they do really force the players to reduce their current signed contracts? I dont see that happening but I do see a hard cap, I cant see the league moving forward without it. I really do not believe the knocks will be any better next year. IMHO I dont think Melo and Amare can play together. Neither plays much def and both want the ball. They are both too selfish to be on the same team.

We will see what happens but i dont see anything better then they did this year. And btw they played well in Bos, but they embarrassed themselves at home. 2 lifeless blowouts? They didnt even show up today in the 1st half!

[Snoogans]

I keep hearing this but can someone tell me how they can afford more pieces? Now Billups should be gone but that still wont help the new cap unless they do really force the players to reduce their current signed contracts? I dont see that happening but I do see a hard cap, I cant see the league moving forward without it. I really do not believe the knocks will be any better next year. IMHO I dont think Melo and Amare can play together. Neither plays much def and both want the ball. They are both too selfish to be on the same team.

We will see what happens but i dont see anything better then they did this year. And btw they played well in Bos, but they embarrassed themselves at home. 2 lifeless blowouts? They didnt even show up today in the 1st half!

they only have like 45 mill under contract. so even if they have a 55 mill hard cap, they have some space. and no the players wouldnt get less money, but they were use a % off that for the cap hit. they arent gonna have the whole things hit the cap when they were signed on other rules or too many teams would be fucked

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kobe's ankle held up damn good last night. Hows about this dunk


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[epo]

Paul Pierce thrown out after his 2nd technical. I don't think the second technical was warranted, but the first should've gotten him thrown out.

Either way, Pierce coming up small.

[underdog]

Paul Pierce thrown out after his 2nd technical. I don't think the second technical was warranted, but the first should've gotten him thrown out.

Either way, Pierce coming up small.

He smushed his face against a guy who just choked him. He shouldn't have been thrown out on the first (or the 2nd).

It's amazing how the NBA refs like to make the game about them, come playoff time.

[hanso]

Kobe got Dirked... Ha ha! [Nelson]

[Crispy123]

These nailbiter Celts wins will be the death of me.

Thank God we don't have to worry about this anymore.
:smoke:

[A.J.]

Thank God we don't have to worry about this anymore.
:smoke:

Thanks to Danny Ainge's genius move of trading away the bench, no we won't.

[Snoogans]

Thanks to Danny Ainge's genius move of trading away the bench, no we won't.

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/05/xlarge_2011-may-3-21-43-30_01.jpg

[hanso]

Thanks to Danny Ainge's genius move of trading away the bench, no we won't.

Will he throw in the towel? Better luck in the garden.

Fuck it. Get the inevitable over with. Stern wants a Heat-Lakers finals.

[hanso]

Kobe got Dirked... Ha ha! [Nelson]

X2 & @ Home no less.

Didn't write that 2nd line above. The towel was a joke by the way. He did that during free throws

[epo]

One of the few times in months that I've had an entire evening free to do nothing and David Stern provides me with these games tonight:

No Scheduled Games Available

Really? What the fuck David Stern? Miami vs Boston needs 4 days off between games?

No wonder your fucking league isn't doing better...asshole!

[Snoogans]

One of the few times in months that I've had an entire evening free to do nothing and David Stern provides me with these games tonight:

No Scheduled Games Available

Really? What the fuck David Stern? Miami vs Boston needs 4 days off between games?

No wonder your fucking league isn't doing better...asshole!

actually, the NBA has been doing VERY well. I was talkin about this before and I wondered why the MLS didnt decide last weekend when they noticed this in the schedule to move a game from saturday to tonight and put it up on ESPN 2 and get some exposure on a rare night when you have no real competition. Especially around here, the sox, yanks, and mets all played this afternoon. it woulda been perfect to move the red bulls to tonight. thats why no one cares. cause they are dummies

[epo]

actually, the NBA has been doing VERY well. I was talkin about this before and I wondered why the MLS didnt decide last weekend when they noticed this in the schedule to move a game from saturday to tonight and put it up on ESPN 2 and get some exposure on a rare night when you have no real competition. Especially around here, the sox, yanks, and mets all played this afternoon. it woulda been perfect to move the red bulls to tonight. thats why no one cares. cause they are dummies

Seriously though, Boston/Miami needs 4 days off between games? That's fucking lame.

[Snoogans]

Seriously though, Boston/Miami needs 4 days off between games? That's fucking lame.

of course they do. its the NBA and its david stern. do you think he is just gonna sit idly by while one of his marquis teams runs out of gas and loses their legs? fuck that. there is money at stake here and this series needs to go at least 6 games.

[underdog]

Seriously though, Boston/Miami needs 4 days off between games? That's fucking lame.

How else would you make the playoffs go on for 4 months?

[hanso]

It gives the bigs more time to heal and get on the court. Shaq shamrock or whatever they call him. And UD for Miami. Be nice if they both play.

[underdog]

Dallas about to go up 3-0. Dirk Nowitski just willed them back into this game.

If the Celtics lose, I'm rooting for the Mavs. Dirk deserves a championship.

[NickyL0885]

Dallas about to go up 3-0. Dirk Nowitski just willed them back into this game.

When the Celtics lose, I'm rooting for the Mavs. Dirk deserves a championship.

Fixed

[TheGameHHH]

After watching game 3 tonight I understand fully why the Mavs are better than the Lakers. Jason Kidd, and I'm not sure how cause I thought he was 64 years old, absolutely harassed Kobe defensively and has played lights out, on top of the fact that Dallas isnt threatened by LA's size as they have 3 7 footers of their own. Dirk has been phenomenal and Dallas deserves a chance to contend for the title. Good for them.

[Fallon]

Rondo is incredible, that arm injury looked nasty!

We now have a series!!!!

[sailor]

Rondo is incredible, that arm injury looked nasty!

We now have a series!!!!

I heard he migh not play tho. :(

[cougarjake13]

After watching game 3 tonight I understand fully why the Mavs are better than the Lakers. Jason Kidd, and I'm not sure how cause I thought he was 64 years old, absolutely harassed Kobe defensively and has played lights out, on top of the fact that Dallas isnt threatened by LA's size as they have 3 7 footers of their own. Dirk has been phenomenal and Dallas deserves a chance to contend for the title. Good for them.

lets hope they dont choke against the heat again if that rematch happens

[disneyspy]

i'm glad to see the lakers go out this way,makes the bad boys not shaking hands look classy

[OGC]

Wow, the Lakers are sure showing their class today with 2 flagrant fouls now that they are on the verge of being swept.

[deliciousV]

Wow, the Lakers are sure showing their class today with 2 flagrant fouls now that they are on the verge of being swept.

Lakers be straight thuggin yo

[epo]

I would be shocked if Bynum & Odom are on this team next year.

[Crispy123]

bye bye Mr Jackson! :bye:

http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/phil-jackson-pointing.jpg

[TheGameHHH]

I would be shocked if Bynum & Odom are on this team next year.

I wouldn't, especially with Bynum. Unless Dwight Howard pulls the ol' Melo 'I'm only signing an extension with LA' then Bynum is staying put. Mitch LOVES Bynum and many marquee names were offered to the Lakers this season with Bynum as the centerpiece of the exchange, they were all rejected. Odom maybe, especially if they can get value for him. The team is still good but they need a better bench and more defense.

[A.J.]

Wow, the Lakers are sure showing their class today with 2 flagrant fouls now that they are on the verge of being swept.

I hope that earns a suspension for both those pricks next season.

[brettmojo]

Wow, the Lakers are sure showing their class today with 2 flagrant fouls now that they are on the verge of being swept.
http://bit.ly/a1hMFn

[King Hippos Bandaid]

Zach Randolph is making Bryant "Big Country" Reeves proud

go get em Vancouver Grizzles.....

[Crispy123]

D Wade is a BEAST!!! If you're not watching this game you are missing out!

[hanso]

The series don't start till a home team loss.


I wouldn't be surprised if the Laker team blows up. When it's just Kobe carrying the team. What does it matter who is on it?

[A.J.]

Thanks Danny Ainge!

[Crispy123]

Thanks Danny Ainge!

I think you mean thanks D-Wade!!!


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[disneyspy]

holy crap these teams stink

[TheGameHHH]

holy crap these teams stink

who? i think all four left are actually pretty good.

[Crispy123]

holy crap these teams stink
who? i think all four left are actually pretty good.

by teams he means his balls.

[cougarjake13]

holy crap these teams stink

pistons have sucked sorry buddy

[KnoxHarrington]

I want Dallas to win just to see the strained, completely forced smile on Stern's face as he hands Mark Cuban the trophy.

[A.J.]

I want Dallas to win just to see the strained, completely forced smile on Stern's face as he hands Mark Cuban the trophy.

That would totally be worth it.

[cougarjake13]

I want Dallas to win just to see the strained, completely forced smile on Stern's face as he hands Mark Cuban the trophy.

That would totally be worth it.

my thoughts exactly

[Crispy123]

Got to watch an awesome Heat win on my birthday! Yay!!!

[cougarjake13]

Got to watch an awesome Heat win on my birthday! Yay!!!

congrats i guess

[TheGameHHH]

I am loving this OKC/Dallas series

[hanso]

Got to watch an awesome Heat win on my birthday! Yay!!!

Hope it turns into more fun on Tue.

[TheGameHHH]

LeBron literally chewed up and spit Rose out this entire series, its been incredible to watch.

[hanso]

LeBron literally chewed up and spit Rose out this entire series, its been incredible to watch.

Wonder if they have him covering Dirk next.

[Snoogans]

Wonder if they have him covering Dirk next.

i actually said this to someone who thought I was crazy. Dirk would ruin bosh. I think it would be brilliant to have bron on him. Probably the best option

[Snacks]

i actually said this to someone who thought I was crazy. Dirk would ruin bosh. I think it would be brilliant to have bron on him. Probably the best option

I hope Dallas wins a quick series. They should have won 4 years ago but choked now they can revenge that loss, get Dirk his ring and knock Bron and his boys out!

[hanso]

I hope Dallas wins a quick series. They should have won 4 years ago but choked now they can revenge that loss, get Dirk his ring and knock Bron and his boys out!

But they lost when it was just Wade for the most part.

[Snoogans]

But they lost when it was just Wade for the most part.

yea and a little guy called Shaq

[hanso]

Kyle Korver can take over for Charlie Sheen on that TV show now.

[TheGameHHH]

you guys are all marks, this is the work of Zydrunas Ilgauskas. LeBron is NOTHING without him

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wonder if they have him covering Dirk next.

As much as I think James is a douche he held his own against Rose with 2 blocked shots in the series aginst him to end the game

[A.J.]

Watching Rose was like watching Jordan in '85 and '86: he's on the verge of greatness if he gets some more support around him. He's going to come back a stronger player from the series....kind of like LeBron did from last year's.

[Snacks]

I cant handle the hype of Miami and Lebron/Wade talk already.

Today they were saying that there has never been a better superstar duo that has played together especially both during their prime.

Who would you rather have

Jordan and Pippen

or

Wade and LeBron!

To me its easy Jordan and Pippen are 2 all time greats and won 6 titles together. I also think Kobe (start of his prime) and Shaq (middle to end of his prime) are a better duo in their prime when they played together then Wade and LeBron!

[TheGameHHH]

I cant handle the hype of Miami and Lebron/Wade talk already.

Today they were saying that there has never been a better superstar duo that has played together especially both during their prime.

Who would you rather have

Jordan and Pippen

or

Wade and LeBron!

To me its easy Jordan and Pippen are 2 all time greats and won 6 titles together. I also think Kobe (start of his prime) and Shaq (middle to end of his prime) are a better duo in their prime when they played together then Wade and LeBron!

we can say that now because jordan and pippen won 6 titles and kobe and shaq won 3. we havent seen what lebron and wade can do yet, we're getting a taste of it now and it looks pretty promising. theres no way this argument can be settled until lebron and wade finish their time together, then you can evaluate it properly

[Snacks]

we can say that now because jordan and pippen won 6 titles and kobe and shaq won 3. we havent seen what lebron and wade can do yet, we're getting a taste of it now and it looks pretty promising. theres no way this argument can be settled until lebron and wade finish their time together, then you can evaluate it properly

No we can say it now because The Bulls beat nasty teams to win those championships, at least in their own conference! Miami played and beat a very overrated Bulls team who has a great young player on their team but isnt as good as people made him out to be this season. Boston is old and always hurt! Its not like they looked great this post season the same way the Bulls with Jordan and Pippen did.

When the Bulls won their titles the league as a whole was better and the east was insanely tough. You had to get past Det, the Knicks, Clev, Miami, Oralando and Indy. Every team that made the playoffs back in the 90s from the east had a chance. Not now! Same goes with the LAL and kobe shaq. When the talent shifted to the west the Lakers had to beat teams that would be a 1 or 2 seed in the east but were 7 or 8th seeds in the west. How good was Sac, Hou, SA, Port and Utah even Sea and Den were tough as nails and hard to beat and Minn although not great was pretty hard to beat for 3 years and gave every team a tough out in the playoffs when Garnett and marbury were there.

I dont think the heat has had to beat the types of talent that the 90s bulls and the 2000s lakers had to.

[TheGameHHH]

No we can say it now because The Bulls beat nasty teams to win those championships, at least in their own conference! Miami played and beat a very overrated Bulls team who has a great young player on their team but isnt as good as people made him out to be this season. Boston is old and always hurt! Its not like they looked great this post season the same way the Bulls with Jordan and Pippen did.

When the Bulls won their titles the league as a whole was better and the east was insanely tough. You had to get past Det, the Knicks, Clev, Miami, Oralando and Indy. Every team that made the playoffs back in the 90s from the east had a chance. Not now! Same goes with the LAL and kobe shaq. When the talent shifted to the west the Lakers had to beat teams that would be a 1 or 2 seed in the east but were 7 or 8th seeds in the west. How good was Sac, Hou, SA, Port and Utah even Sea and Den were tough as nails and hard to beat and Minn although not great was pretty hard to beat for 3 years and gave every team a tough out in the playoffs when Garnett and marbury were there.

I dont think the heat has had to beat the types of talent that the 90s bulls and the 2000s lakers had to.

again, youre only thinking in terms of the present. who's to say there won't be "nasty" teams in the future that the Heat have to go through to win. let this all play out and then judge, thats all im saying.

[Snacks]

again, youre only thinking in terms of the present. who's to say there won't be "nasty" teams in the future that the Heat have to go through to win. let this all play out and then judge, thats all im saying.

you are right but right now they made it through a very weak conference so even if this is their 1st championship together (I dont think it will be) this wont be like when the Bulls beat the 2 time defending champs Det and then had to be the lakers. The heat beat an old Celtic team and then a young, overrated Bulls team. I dont think it will ever compare or match up.

That all being said I hope that Dallas wins!

[cougarjake13]

we can say that now because jordan and pippen won 6 titles and kobe and shaq won 3. we havent seen what lebron and wade can do yet, we're getting a taste of it now and it looks pretty promising. theres no way this argument can be settled until lebron and wade finish their time together, then you can evaluate it properly



x2

[Snoogans]

again, youre only thinking in terms of the present. who's to say there won't be "nasty" teams in the future that the Heat have to go through to win. let this all play out and then judge, thats all im saying.

but thats the point. pippen said it in the present. not could end up being. he said is now

[TheGameHHH]

but thats the point. pippen said it in the present. not could end up being. he said is now

no, they cut off his quote. he ended his statement on the radio with something to the effect of 'when its all said and done'

also, i wasnt commenting on what pippen said directly. i think he threw jordan under the bus. i was talking about what snacks said

[Snacks]

no, they cut off his quote. he ended his statement on the radio with something to the effect of 'when its all said and done'

also, i wasnt commenting on what pippen said directly. i think he threw jordan under the bus. i was talking about what snacks said

No he didnt say that or eventually or anything, he is talking about right now and he is fucking nuts! Like Jordan has said "Let him get his 1st 1 before you start even bringing this up" or something like that!

‘‘Michael Jordan is probably the greatest scorer to play the game, but I may go as far as to say LeBron James may be the greatest player to ever play the game because he is so potent offensively that not only can he score at will, but he keeps everybody involved,’’

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/5634034-417/scottie-pippens-love-for-lebron-james-stinks-of-an-mj-complex.html

[TheGameHHH]

No he didnt say that or eventually or anything, he is talking about right now and he is fucking nuts! Like Jordan has said "Let him get his 1st 1 before you start even bringing this up" or something like that!



http://www.suntimes.com/sports/5634034-417/scottie-pippens-love-for-lebron-james-stinks-of-an-mj-complex.html

did you listen to the interview? did you actually hear what he said? im just curious here

[Snacks]

did you listen to the interview? did you actually hear what he said? im just curious here

yes and it was the same quote. he then hours later after he was shit on for his stupid comments then tweeted that Jordan is the best and maybe eventually LeBron could be the greatest player. In his phone interview he also mentioned LeBrons def as 1 of the reasons and didnt once mention Jordans. As if Jordan was 1 of if not the the best perimeter defenders ever!

Listen Im one who argues that winning a title or not winning a title doesnt make you a better player. I dont think just because you won 6 titles you are a better player then someone who won none. But we are talking about the greatest player ever who also on top of being the greatest ever has the 6 titles. If Jordan had 1 title or even no titles I still think he would be considered the best player ever. I dont think LeBron at this point in his career is even the greatest player to not have won a title!

[TripleSkeet]

I still dont get how Lebron James can even be mentioned in a conversation about the greatest players of all time without one fucking ring. In my book he doesnt even belong in the Top 10. Win something first you pampered fuck.

You know when Ill say hes the best of all time? When he wins his 7th fucking ring. Until then my vote goes to Jordan, with Kobe coming in 2nd (and this from a guy that HATES Kobe Bryant).

[Snacks]

I still dont get how Lebron James can even be mentioned in a conversation about the greatest players of all time without one fucking ring. In my book he doesnt even belong in the Top 10. Win something first you pampered fuck.

You know when Ill say hes the best of all time? When he wins his 7th fucking ring. Until then my vote goes to Jordan, with Kobe coming in 2nd (and this from a guy that HATES Kobe Bryant).

you really give way too much credit to individuals for championships when they are won by teams not individuals. Now basketball is the 1 team sport where 1 player can make the difference but you still have to have a good team. I cant think of 1 team in the NBA that won a title because of 1 player! LeBron is already a top 20 player of all time, no question and I hate him! If he doesnt win 1 title he can still be a top 5 player with the talent he has!

[Snoogans]

I still dont get how Lebron James can even be mentioned in a conversation about the greatest players of all time without one fucking ring. In my book he doesnt even belong in the Top 10. Win something first you pampered fuck.

You know when Ill say hes the best of all time? When he wins his 7th fucking ring. Until then my vote goes to Jordan, with Kobe coming in 2nd (and this from a guy that HATES Kobe Bryant).

shouldnt bill russel come first then? he only has like 10 or 12

[TheGameHHH]

shouldnt bill russel come first then? he only has like 10 or 12

I love people that use the 'Jordans the best cause he has 6 titles' as the sole basis of their arguments. i think robert horry has like 5 too.

[KnoxHarrington]

I love people that use the 'Jordans the best cause he has 6 titles' as the sole basis of their arguments. i think robert horry has like 5 too.

Bill Cartwright has 3 rings too. Better than that bum LeBron for sure!

[foodcourtdruide]

you really give way too much credit to individuals for championships when they are won by teams not individuals. Now basketball is the 1 team sport where 1 player can make the difference but you still have to have a good team. I cant think of 1 team in the NBA that won a title because of 1 player! LeBron is already a top 20 player of all time, no question and I hate him! If he doesnt win 1 title he can still be a top 5 player with the talent he has!

Oh snacks, how can I disagree with you so much in one thread, but agree with you so much in another? This reminds me of the Brady vs Manning argument. I don't think there's a QB in history that could have taken last years Colts to the playoffs, but he gets shit on for not winning a ring.

[Snacks]

I love people that use the 'Jordans the best cause he has 6 titles' as the sole basis of their arguments. i think robert horry has like 5 too.

Robert Horry has 7 titles..... 2nd best player ever behind Bill Russell because he has the 2nd most titles! j/k

The truth is Horry is in many cases the reason his teams won 3 or 4 of those titles. Because he had multiple game winning 3s with time running out to win the game or put the game into over time. And this is proof why titles means shit when it comes to talking about an individual as the best player. You want to argue best teams of all time then yes the titles and the amount of titles matter. When talking about best player it has to be what he did only. Karl Malone might be a top 5 or 10 player of all time, no title, Stockton top 1 or 2 point guard of all time no title! Titles help push you up and validate you but mainly validate your team!

[Snacks]

Oh snacks, how can I disagree with you so much in one thread, but agree with you so much in another? This reminds me of the Brady vs Manning argument. I don't think there's a QB in history that could have taken last years Colts to the playoffs, but he gets shit on for not winning a ring.

I for 1 already think Manning is the best QB in the history of the NFL or at least he will be considered the best when he retires! I dont care if he gets another ring or not, he doesnt need it in my opinion but I hope he does get 1 just to shut all the assholes out there up!

[Snoogans]

I for 1 already think Manning is the best QB in the history of the NFL or at least he will be considered the best when he retires! I dont care if he gets another ring or not, he doesnt need it in my opinion but I hope he does get 1 just to shut all the assholes out there up!

i can think of 40 or so QBs that are better than Marino though

[TripleSkeet]

I love people that use the 'Jordans the best cause he has 6 titles' as the sole basis of their arguments. i think robert horry has like 5 too.

Thats the thing, its not the sole basis. But it is a huge part. How can you be the best of all time when youve never even been the best for one year????

Number of rings doesnt mean as much unless youre the main reason for those rings. And yes Michael Jordan is the main reason for those 6 rings. Especially considering the first time he left they came close but couldnt win one, and the second time he left they turned into complete dogshit.

Thats why I mention Kobe too. I thought he was overrated during the first 3 rings because he had Shaq, but after he won the next 2 without him, thats when he gained my respect, even though I hate him. Bill Russell was great, but was also surrounded by amazing teammates. Robert Horry was a secondary player that won rings thanks to having superstars on his team.

But yes Ive had this same conversation with quarterbacks, without a ring, I dont care who you are or what youve done, you can never be considered the greatest ever (and thats what Im arguing, not that you are great, but the greatest EVER). To give someone that title who can never even call himself a champion is a fucking joke. I dont understand how anyone can even argue for it.

[Snacks]

Thats the thing, its not the sole basis. But it is a huge part. How can you be the best of all time when youve never even been the best for one year????

Number of rings doesnt mean as much unless youre the main reason for those rings. And yes Michael Jordan is the main reason for those 6 rings. Especially considering the first time he left they came close but couldnt win one, and the second time he left they turned into complete dogshit.

Thats why I mention Kobe too. I thought he was overrated during the first 3 rings because he had Shaq, but after he won the next 2 without him, thats when he gained my respect, even though I hate him. Bill Russell was great, but was also surrounded by amazing teammates. Robert Horry was a secondary player that won rings thanks to having superstars on his team.

But yes Ive had this same conversation with quarterbacks, without a ring, I dont care who you are or what youve done, you can never be considered the greatest ever (and thats what Im arguing, not that you are great, but the greatest EVER). To give someone that title who can never even call himself a champion is a fucking joke. I dont understand how anyone can even argue for it.

Because there are others on your TEAM that could or couldnt help you win it all. You cant put MJ out there against 5 players you need to fill your roster. Team sports have team championships not individual championships. Those are called MVP, CY young etc. Your #s define you as a player championships define your team! There are teams that have no great top players on their teams but win championships and there are tons of great players that played for shit teams!

[TripleSkeet]

Because there are others on your TEAM that could or couldnt help you win it all. You cant put MJ out there against 5 players you need to fill your roster. Team sports have team championships not individual championships. Those are called MVP, CY young etc. Your #s define you as a player championships define your team! There are teams that have no great top players on their teams but win championships and there are tons of great players that played for shit teams!

Tough shit. No rings means not the best ever. Am I wrong? Show me one person in any sport thats considered the best ever without a ring?

[disneyspy]

Tough shit. No rings means not the best ever. Am I wrong? Show me one person in any sport thats considered the best ever without a ring?

mohhamed ali

[Jujubees2]

Tough shit. No rings means not the best ever. Am I wrong? Show me one person in any sport thats considered the best ever without a ring?

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[A.J.]

Tough shit. No rings means not the best ever. Am I wrong? Show me one person in any sport thats considered the best ever without a ring?

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[Snacks]

http://jimbrownbiography.com/images/jim_brown_2.jpg

Exactly!

How about Barry Sanders? Many think hes the greatest of all time and Erik Dickerson and OJ Simpson! No Rings either!

Its just a stupid argument when it comes to a team sport. I judge the player by what they did, winning a ring helps pad the stats but a players stats is what he did especially on a shit team when everyone knows who they need to stop on those shit teams and they still cant stop them.

[TripleSkeet]

mohhamed ali

Well played salesman.

[TripleSkeet]

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While considered greats, I dont think anyone considers them the greatest of all time. Marino at one point may have been argued, but when compared to Montana I dont see how it could even be an argument.

[TripleSkeet]

Exactly!

How about Barry Sanders? Many think hes the greatest of all time and Erik Dickerson and OJ Simpson! No Rings either!

Its just a stupid argument when it comes to a team sport. I judge the player by what they did, winning a ring helps pad the stats but a players stats is what he did especially on a shit team when everyone knows who they need to stop on those shit teams and they still cant stop them.

Now you are talking position players. Im talking the greatest all around player.

When you say "Whos the greatest hockey player of all time?" you dont say "Defenseman? Center? Goalie?" You say "Wayne Gretzky."

With Baseball, most people say Babe Ruth or Wille Mays.

Basketball its Jordan.

Football is the odd sport, because there are so many positions that vary in so many ways, thats why usually the talk goes to QB. Which is where the ring argument comes in.

My personal opinion is simple, to be called the BEST that ever played, you must be a champion. I dont give a fuck if you need teammates to help that happen. If youre the best, you not only play the best, but you make the others around you better. And if you cant make them good enough to help you become a champion, youve got no business calling yourself the best ever.

Thats my opinion, sorry, but its not gonna change.

[Crispy123]

If youre the best, you not only play the best, but you make the others around you better. And if you cant make them good enough to help you become a champion, youve got no business calling yourself the best ever.

Well said, I agree 100%.