The 2012 Republican Presidential Debates

[Kevin]

i am so flattered that you
hang on my every word

do you print out my posts
and keep them in a
bound leather book?


Dude!
I'd prefer
That you don't
quote my posts.

[spoon]

I guess Mitt is the best this party has to offer right now...barring some amazing climb by lesser candidates like Huntsman. Yet he's seemingly batshit on certain topics too, and another LDS/mormon and a cousin of Mitt's anyway. At least he should have some in with the Reagan and W infrastructure of the political past, along with ties to global economic structure/int relations via his most recent position as ambassador to China and past positions under HW Bush and Reagan. Being the gov of Utah surely helps quell the experience issue too, even if it's that odd fucking state. I guess it's better than Alaska or Arizona, and surely better than another fucking Texan asshole.

Yah, i guess it's just a barrel of shit offered right now...nothing has changed

[A.J.]

I think Cain would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce.

[Kevin]

I think Cain would make an excellent Secretary of Commerce.

Perry could be the head of the EPA.

[Dude!]

...and wrong.

you should confine yourself
to posting links to articles on
the weather and natural disasters

it would be best for the site

[spoon]

wrong again!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Palin for Education sec.

[Furtherman]

wrong again!

:laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I guess Mitt is the best this party has to offer right now...barring some amazing climb by lesser candidates like Huntsman. Yet he's seemingly batshit on certain topics too, and another LDS/mormon and a cousin of Mitt's anyway. At least he should have some in with the Reagan and W infrastructure of the political past, along with ties to global economic structure/int relations via his most recent position as ambassador to China and past positions under HW Bush and Reagan. Being the gov of Utah surely helps quell the experience issue too, even if it's that odd fucking state. I guess it's better than Alaska or Arizona, and surely better than another fucking Texan asshole.

Yah, i guess it's just a barrel of shit offered right now...nothing has changed

Mitts not my guy but what does his religion have to do with anything?Theres no religious test for office. I dont think hes going to take his orders form Salt Lake City.

No one from Arizona is running, Palin isnt in the race either and Perry is going nowhere.

[Furtherman]

Mitts not my guy but what does his religion have to do with anything?Theres no religious test for office. I dont think hes going to take his orders form Salt Lake City.

With anything? With American politics? Are you being naive or clowning around?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

With anything? With American politics? Are you being naive or clowning around?

A black muslim was elected to Congress in Minnesota the whitest of the white states. Sure there were some who questioned his religion but he was still elected.

[spoon]

Mitts not my guy but what does his religion have to do with anything?Theres no religious test for office. I dont think hes going to take his orders form Salt Lake City.

No one from Arizona is running, Palin isnt in the race either and Perry is going nowhere.

I was more or less just pointing out factors limiting Huntsman, and surely not liked by the pub base with Mitt. And let's be honest, Mormonism takes religion to a whole new level of crazy, and yes, there are levels. I truly don't make it the main factor, but background and personal choices in said candidates lives do ALWAYS come into play when evaluating them. In saying this, mind you that'd I'd still pick Mitt or Huntsman over any of or combo of Newt, Perry, Palin, McCain, Cain, Santorum and the rest. Ron Paul is a wild card for me bc he's so honest and crazy at the same time. However, I'd much rather they all just fail to get elected if given the choice.

Also, no shit on the last sentence. Do you just change points in your head in order to make odd statements that simply don't pertain to the reason I gave the breakdown in the first place?

[spoon]

A black muslim was elected to Congress in Minnesota the whitest of the white states. Sure there were some who questioned his religion but he was still elected.

probably bc he didn't run on being a "black muslim", but focused more on the issues in said district

the same surely can't be said for the bulk of the republican pres candidates

I'm seriously waiting for a prayer circle to break out on stage during a debate to help it rain when in an area of drought. I'm sure Perry would be up for that, and crazy eyes would surely join the party. The mormons would just keep looking at each other, while Santorum would jack with prayer hands in the middle.

[A.J.]

A black muslim was elected to Congress in Minnesota the whitest of the white states. Sure there were some who questioned his religion but he was still elected.

It's the same state that also elected openly gay Rep. Tammy Baldwin. It may be white but it's pretty liberal.

[Dude!]

It's the same state that also elected openly gay Rep. Tammy Baldwin.

wrong

[A.J.]

wrong

Ah shit. I forgot she was the same state as Steve Gunderson.

[Syd]

A black muslim was elected to Congress in Minnesota the whitest of the white states. Sure there were some who questioned his religion but he was still elected.

I know what you're getting at but Minnesota actually has a huge Muslim population which certainly helped him be elected.

[booster11373]

Lets stop calling these things debates because they ain't debating

[StanUpshaw]

Rhetoric recitals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know what you're getting at but Minnesota actually has a huge Muslim population which certainly helped him be elected.

If Im correct most are Somali refugees.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What a fucking pathetic debate set up by CBS. 89 seconds was all the time Ron Paul had. Hes hovering around the same % as Perry but Perry gets more time.

[hanso]

Lets stop calling these things debates because they ain't debating

It did get a Lil pissy that one time.



At least the audience keeps cheering at inapt stuff. Let's hear it for water boarding!

[Dude!]

I know what you're getting at but Minnesota actually has a huge Muslim population which certainly helped him be elected.

that is not it at all...
Minnesota likes to elect CLOWNS....

Governor Jesse Ventura
Senator Al Franken
this fool is just another clown

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can Santorum ever talk about anything else than lets give taxdollars to fight AIDS in 3rd world countries? Thats not a presidents responsibilities.


Ron Paul just schooled Newt on the Patriot act. Speaking of Newt he took the Perry plunge

Im starting to like Huntsman.

[spoon]

Can Santorum ever talk about anything else than lets give taxdollars to fight AIDS in 3rd world countries? Thats not a presidents responsibilities.


Ron Paul just schooled Newt on the Patriot act. Speaking of Newt he took the Perry plunge

Im starting to like Huntsman.

Yah sure, he can talk a whole lot about God and not fucking dogs.


Huntsman and Mitt are easily the most sane of the bunch and to me more logical bc they are so hardline tea party/neo.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The GOP has to get off the Terrorism is war mantra. Paul and Huntsman are right its an idealogy.


Paul was also correct in regards to Israel. They can wipe the floor with the Persians.


Cain provided the humor by calling Wolf Blitzer by just "Blitz"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Newts a real fucking piece of work when he was crying about keeping families together last night. Maybe the fat SOB should have thought about that when his wife was dying.



Who the fuck is he lecturing about family values

[spoon]

these debates do nothing for the repub party in the end, bc most have looked like either idiots, zealots or completely off the wall

not sure who's plan this was bc it's not working, unless they want term 2 to start soon

mitt could have just stood up there not saying a word and ended up the nominee this time

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are too many of them. We all know each candidates. stance on the issues.

Maybe there should be more one on one debates.

[Jujubees2]

There are too many of them. We all know each candidates. stance on the issues.

Maybe there should be more one on one debates.

Mad Max Style! Two men enter... One man leaves!

[hanso]

Yah sure, he can talk a whole lot about God and not fucking dogs.


Huntsman and Mitt are easily the most sane of the bunch and to me more logical bc they are so hardline tea party/neo.

TY for bringing that up. If only they did that for the show






What a difference a week makes. It went from prick waving over bombing Iran and having the crowd cheer torture. To all but two shed tears over an imaginary man in the sky.

I have these shows bulding up on the dvr but get info on highlights.

[StanUpshaw]

I didn't watch...what's this about dog fucking?

[spoon]

think Rutgers Football

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are at least 10 more of these debates.

It might be a longshot but Huntsman might come up big in New Hampshire. Thats the state which matters. Iowa is more for the religious right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Newt picked up an endorsement from the NH Union register newspaper. Dont think Romney is too happy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like Cain is out. CNN reported that he is reassessing his campaign

[epo]

Looks like Cain is out. CNN reported that he is reassessing his campaign

The fact that he was ever considered a serious candidate was a shocker to me.

He's the definition of a lightweight.

[Dude!]

The fact that he was ever considered a serious candidate was a shocker to me.

He's the definition of a lightweight.

you just hate blacks (and jews)

this is why, as painful as it is,
a long, drawn-out primary process
is necessary for either party

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which Newt is it?



http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/29/us-campaign-gingrich-immigration-idUSTRE7AS09E20111129

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Perry doesnt know that the voting age is 18

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Herman Cain doesnt have this movement for him


http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/11/cashing-in-on-ron-paul-entrepreneurs-create-pin-ups-for-ron-paul-calendar-and-ron-paul-swag-hoodies/

[cougarjake13]

Looks like Cain is out. CNN reported that he is reassessing his campaign

its ron paul time mofo's

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bachmann wanted to close our Embassy in Tehran.


Guess someone didnt tell her about the hostage crisis in '79

[A.J.]

Bachmann wanted to close our Embassy in Tehran.


Guess someone didnt tell her about the hostage crisis in '79

I hope we can keep the one in Havana open.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LOL !!!!!


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/meghan-mccain-michele-bachmann-smarter-sarah-palin_n_1123574.html

[StanUpshaw]

I want to grope her so bad.

[cougarjake13]

I want to grope her so bad.

which one ?

[Furtherman]

Donald Trump is going to moderate a GOP debate.


I cannot wait.

[cougarjake13]

Donald Trump is going to moderate a GOP debate.


I cannot wait.

from candidate to moderator


hmmmmm could work


at very least should be entertaining

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Donald Trump is going to moderate a GOP debate.


I cannot wait.

He can ask Newt about multiple marriages since him and newt are on wife # 3

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This would be a perfect forum for Newt. Both him and Trump are self serving egoists who always love to talk about themselves.

[spoon]

all as mitt just sits back normally in second waiting for the actual election

[hanso]

Perry doesnt know that the voting age is 18

Had the date wrong by same amount also.



Campaign Slogan: 'Herman Cain never withdraws.
'

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Had the date wrong by same amount also.



Campaign Slogan: 'Herman Cain never withdraws.
'

Looks like he will pull out today

[hanso]

Looks like he will pull out today

He will announce free crazy bread for all.

[cougarjake13]

Looks like he will pull out today



He did the same with those women

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He will announce free crazy bread for all.

I was hoping for unlimited toppings at $9.99

[spoon]

I was hoping for unlimited toppings at $9.99

only if you let him diddle your marinara!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ive never seen a godfathers pizza in the tri state area. Is this more of a regional franchise?

[A.J.]

I can't believe that there's ANY chain in the Tri-State area. Why would anyone choose to eat that crap when you have glorious pizzerias all over the place?

[NickyL0885]

I can't believe that there's ANY chain in the Tri-State area. Why would anyone choose to eat that crap when you have glorious pizzerias all over the place?

B/c the good pizza places don't stay open till 2am. I agree, I prefer real pizza over the fake crap that is Domino's or Pizza Hut, but when you want pizza at 1am....there are few options.

[KnoxHarrington]

B/c the good pizza places don't stay open till 2am. I agree, I prefer real pizza over the fake crap that is Domino's or Pizza Hut, but when you want pizza at 1am....there are few options.

And I think it's much the same reason why shitty chains like McDonald's or Applebee's do so well in New York City, which has to be one of the top culinary cities in the world: rubes from out of town don't want to risk some place they've never heard of. I mean, why risk having an incredible meal at a great family-run place when you can get the same Bloomin' Onion you get back in Dogdick Indiana?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where I went to college in New Rochelle, NY There's a place called A NO 1 that was open until 4am. It probably closes earlier now as the college bars on North ave have all closed.

[NickyL0885]

And I think it's much the same reason why shitty chains like McDonald's or Applebee's do so well in New York City, which has to be one of the top culinary cities in the world: rubes from out of town don't want to risk some place they've never heard of. I mean, why risk having an incredible meal at a great family-run place when you can get the same Bloomin' Onion you get back in Dogdick Indiana?

And let's be honest: Have you seen the price for a pizza these days?! When I was younger, it was $10. Now, it's almost $15. It's all about what's cheap these days. Somethings, I'll spend the money, such as burgers at Five Guys.

[cougarjake13]

Ive never seen a godfathers pizza in the tri state area. Is this more of a regional franchise?

i think theyre mostly in gas stations now ... like hess express and the like

[StanUpshaw]

The one in my town closed early this year.

[underdog]

Ive never seen a godfathers pizza in the tri state area. Is this more of a regional franchise?

The only one I've ever seen was in a BP or Shell station in Elizabeth, NJ.

[underdog]

i think theyre mostly in gas stations now ... like hess express and the like

That's what it was, Hess.

[keithy_19]

And I think it's much the same reason why shitty chains like McDonald's or Applebee's do so well in New York City, which has to be one of the top culinary cities in the world: rubes from out of town don't want to risk some place they've never heard of. I mean, why risk having an incredible meal at a great family-run place when you can get the same Bloomin' Onion you get back in Dogdick Indiana?

You've clearly never had a Bloomin' Onion in Dogdick Indiana. So. Fucking. Good.

[razorboy]

You've clearly never had a Bloomin' Onion in Dogdick Indiana. So. Fucking. Good.

There's something extra special about the sauce.

[Kevin]

There's something extra special about the sauce.

man sauce?

[Crash]

And I think it's much the same reason why shitty chains like McDonald's or Applebee's do so well in New York City, which has to be one of the top culinary cities in the world: rubes from out of town don't want to risk some place they've never heard of. I mean, why risk having an incredible meal at a great family-run place when you can get the same Bloomin' Onion you get back in Dogdick Indiana?

There's an Olive Garden in Times Square...three blocks from what used to be Hell's Kitchen but is now bistro-row.

And it's ALWAYS fuckin' packed.

[razorboy]

There's an Olive Garden in Times Square...three blocks from what used to be Hell's Kitchen but is now bistro-row.

And it's ALWAYS fuckin' packed.

People can't get enough of the endless iceberg lettuce and grease bread.

[razorboy]

man sauce?

In a town called Dogdick it's anyone's guess.

[StanUpshaw]

The Tri-State area has 5-star gourmet cuisine. Why would anyone eat at a filthy pizzeria?

[Kevin]

In a town called Dogdick it's anyone's guess.

dog sauce it is then.

[hanso]

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[hanso]

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Willard did an interview didn't go to well. Now Newt has the lead.

[Dude!]

Willard did an interview didn't go to well.

too bad B. Hussein Obama
won't do real interviews

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Awful commercial. Bit damn the Huntsman girls are smokin


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/jon-huntsmans-strange-viral-video-strategy/2011/12/01/gIQAvMsdHO_blog.html?wprss=the-fix

[hanso]

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Let the mud slinging begin.

[spoon]

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Let the mud slinging begin.

yet all true

[StanUpshaw]

yet all true

But wait...it had clips from Fox News and Rush.

I think spoon is a flip flopper!

[spoon]

But wait...it had clips from Fox News and Rush.

I think spoon is a flip flopper!

oh yah, bc I've clearly stated they are always off

even those outlets will eat their own when needed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Let the mud slinging begin.

Excellent.


FUCK NEWT

[StanUpshaw]

oh yah, bc I've clearly stated they are always off

even those outlets will eat their own when needed

And it's supporting Ron Paul, who you constantly label as batshit.

I think you might be batshit.

[spoon]

And it's supporting Ron Paul, who you constantly label as batshit.

I think you might be batshit.

I do?

Ha, that's news to me!!!

I've poked fun at the guy here and there but clearly like a lot of what he says. It's more how he says it, that makes me laugh. He's not really running, he's grandstanding bc he knows his chances are nearly zero.

Rand Paul is a whole other story.

[hanso]

It seems to me they threw Willard to the wolves. And now with no pertinent top runner will totally screw over anyone for the sake of ratings.

[hanso]

I do?

Ha, that's news to me!!!

I've poked fun at the guy here and there but clearly like a lot of what he says. It's more how he says it, that makes me laugh. He's not really running, he's grandstanding bc he knows his chances are nearly zero.

Rand Paul is a whole other story.

If Ron gets anything out of this. Rand could gain the upper hand.

[epo]

I say a little prayer each night to the baby Jesus that Newt holds this lead.

Come on Newt......

[spoon]

I say a little prayer each night to the baby Jesus that Newt holds this lead.

Come on Newt......

you mean baby tebow

[epo]

you mean baby tebow

Damn. What if Newt is infected with Tebow powers?

[spoon]

Damn. What if Newt is infected with Tebow powers?

he'd like men? :unsure:

[A.J.]

Damn. What if Newt is infected with Tebow powers?

He'd heal his cancer-ridden first wife?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tom Coburn says no no Newt


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/sen-tom-coburn-finds-newt-gingrichs-leadership-lacking/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This needs to get out more


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[spoon]

yes, working together in any way is a terrible idea for either party and most definitely the country

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Working in a way to fuck up our education system even more?


Promoting a theory which still has many scientists doubting it?


Newt's a fucking DC insider. Just someone entrenched there. Even his own party had no faith in him when he was Speaker.

Promoting family values and compassion and humane treatment when he tells his own spouse to drop dead.

[spoon]

Working in a way to fuck up our education system even more?


Promoting a theory which still has many scientists doubting it?


Newt's a fucking DC insider. Just someone entrenched there. Even his own party had no faith in him when he was Speaker.

Promoting family values and compassion and humane treatment when he tells his own spouse to drop dead.

scientists!?

hahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaaa!

did they come from the creationists museum?

[Furtherman]

Promoting a theory which still has many scientists doubting it?

It's not that scientists doubt global warming - that is a fact that is happening - it's that not all agree on the causes. A majority will agree that humans have contributed. Whether or not our contribution is significant or not is hard to determine due to the fact that we haven't been around long enough to have records of Earth's cycles. We know it happens, we just don't know what brings in on.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

scientists!?

hahahahahaahahahahahahahaaaaa!

did they come from the creationists museum?

Youre disagreeing that the earth is 6,000 years old?


Heathen

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A commercial with Pelosi isnt what makes me not support Newt.


Just look at his record, his past and he has so much baggage. How the fuck is he getting tons of support in Iowa?

Romney doesnt make me want to vote for him. Hes George Bush but with a different religion but he doesnt have the issues Newt has.


Maybe it's him being LDS afterall

[spoon]

A commercial with Pelosi isnt what makes me not support Newt.


Just look at his record, his past and he has so much baggage. How the fuck is he getting tons of support in Iowa?

Romney doesnt make me want to vote for him. Hes George Bush but with a different religion but he doesnt have the issues Newt has.


Maybe it's him being LDS afterall

of course it is?! we're talking IOWA for f's sake!

has anything they did in the past been centric on any other true factor!?

And I'm no Mitt fan, but calling him W is hilarious. No.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

of course it is?! we're talking IOWA for f's sake!

has anything they did in the past been centric on any other true factor!?

And I'm no Mitt fan, but calling him W is hilarious. No.

I know Iowa is loaded with evangelicals

Isn't Iowa the place where they coddle to social issues? Newt is 3X married

When I made that comparison I meant policy issues. Safe to say Mitt would send the Military on nation building trips and to occupy countries

[StanUpshaw]

I know Iowa is loaded with evangelicals

Isn't Iowa the place where they coddle to social issues? Newt is 3X married

When I made that comparison I meant policy issues. Safe to say Mitt would send the Military on nation building trips and to occupy countries

It really isn't. We care about corn subsidies and not much else.

[spoon]

I know Iowa is loaded with evangelicals

Isn't Iowa the place where they coddle to social issues? Newt is 3X married

When I made that comparison I meant policy issues. Safe to say Mitt would send the Military on nation building trips and to occupy countries

lesser of evils, as they thump their favorite book

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/payn_c9434420111207120100.jpg

[Dude!]

if newt gets the nomination
he may be the new, new nixon
a very unlikeable guy
who gets elected nonetheless

[Furtherman]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393361_10150537298522289_591842288_10928514_145385 2308_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someones not voting for Newt


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-half-sister-candace-gingrich-jones-rips-sibling-gay-marriage-i-ll-vote-obama-article-1.988526

[spoon]

i guess the whole election boils down to that one issue which clearly is the reason our economy, country and world are a mess financially right now

great priorities sis, and I'm no Newt fan

yet what's next? let's just vote based on your stance on assisted suicide or Bob Barker's push to get dog/cats spayed or neutered!

:wallbash:



boy, what a looker!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gays will cut all ties on someone who doesnt believe in them getting married, Just like with the evangelicals if someone who is pro choice each group will sever all ties..


The electorate is fucking hopeless

[spoon]

Gays will cut all ties on someone who doesnt believe in them getting married, Just like with the evangelicals if someone who is pro choice each group will sever all ties..


The electorate is fucking hopeless

well she didn't sever all ties, just political ones according to the story at least

[spoon]

Herman Cain, where have you gone!?

:glurps:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Herman Cain, where have you gone!?

:glurps:

He should go to NY , NJ or CT and have some real Pizza.

[Dude!]

Someones not voting for Newt


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-half-sister-candace-gingrich-jones-rips-sibling-gay-marriage-i-ll-vote-obama-article-1.988526

gawd, she is one hideous man

[spoon]

gawd, she is one hideous man

Gawd?

really? this is the line?

:unsure:

[A.J.]

He should go to NY , NJ or CT and have some real Pizza.

God knows I wish I could.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

gawd, she is one hideous man

Worse looking than Janet Reno

[hanso]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393361_10150537298522289_591842288_10928514_145385 2308_n.jpg

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[Bob Impact]

Fuck that, treating an entire group of people like they're sub-human is an absolutely valid reason to not vote for any of this scum.

[hanso]

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[hanso]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/393361_10150537298522289_591842288_10928514_145385 2308_n.jpg

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http://www.10pix.ru/img1/3169/6316917.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Perry doesnt know that there are 9 justices for SCOTUS.

He pronounced the wise latina as Montemeyor

[Jujubees2]

Newt Gingrich endorses Iowa group The Family Leader’s ‘Marriage’ pledge (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-endorses-iowa-group-family-leader-marriage-pledge-article-1.990431#ixzz1gMD3gphL)

[spoon]

Newt Gingrich endorses Iowa group The Family Leader’s ‘Marriage’ pledge (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-endorses-iowa-group-family-leader-marriage-pledge-article-1.990431#ixzz1gMD3gphL)

you can't make shit up like that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you can't make shit up like that

http://www.wehype.com/fileadmin/user_upload/hypes/images/682_images_1.jpg

[spoon]

has anyone that won Iowa taken the nomination in recent history?

why the back breaking efforts to line up that shit hole and it's minute votes for the nom? You know it's going republican in the actual election so stop wasting so much time with it.

[hanso]

Newt Gingrich endorses Iowa group The Family Leader’s ‘Marriage’ pledge (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-gingrich-endorses-iowa-group-family-leader-marriage-pledge-article-1.990431#ixzz1gMD3gphL)

More pledges? Why don't they just light candles and do satanic rituals?

[hanso]

Newt has a disposition that suggests to me he could end the world as we know it if he has a bad day. And Perry's seems squirrely enough that he would go right along with it.

[spoon]

Newt has a disposition that suggests to me he could end the world as we know it if he has a bad day. And Perry's seems squirrely enough that he would go right along with it.

yep

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Savage to Newt. Get out, i'll pay you $1mm


http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2011/dec/12/savage-offers-gingrich-1-million-drop-out/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Garey Busey withdraws endorsement for Newt


http://thehill.com/capital-living/in-the-know/199375-gary-busey-withdraws-gingrich-endorsement

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Newt the chickenhawk

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/199731-ron-paul-attacks-gingrich-on-military-deferments

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

How many more of these fucking debates?

:wallbash:

[hanso]

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[hanso]

How many more of these fucking debates?

:wallbash:

The one that was on Thu. will be replayed tonight @ 9pm EST FNC

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AWFUL


If Perry should compare himself to anyone its Tony Romo. Starts the game off hot then fizzles out

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[spoon]

AWFUL


If Perry should compare himself to anyone its Tony Romo. Starts the game off hot then fizzles out

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no no he's right, both have absolutely no business being where they are and winning the ultimate prize

both probably like cock too

[hanso]

Newt is advocating a change in child labor laws as if this will somehow help the economy. On some front that teachers make too much money. While the tons of cash he reeled in as a "Historian" should not matter.

And he is known as the intellectual.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New Hampshire Union Leader endorses Newt a few weeks ago. Today the Des Moines register endorses Mitt.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no no he's right, both have absolutely no business being where they are and winning the ultimate prize

both probably like cock too

Tebow is enjoying more success now. Perry was at the top back in August and is now in single digits according to some polls.

I agree that both are probably closeted gays

[hanso]

The next one is Jan 16th.

[hanso]

AWFUL


If Perry should compare himself to anyone its Tony Romo. Starts the game off hot then fizzles out


He couldn't be Tebow as he always forgets the third option.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The next one is Jan 16th.

A couple of them might not make it to the next election due to Iowa and New Hampshire being so early this time.


How do people in those states watch TV? They must be bombarded by political commercials. The people with land lines must get robocalls every day

[Bob Impact]

A couple of them might not make it to the next election due to Iowa and New Hampshire being so early this time.


How do people in those states watch TV? They must be bombarded by political commercials. The people with land lines must get robocalls every day

How is Linda McMahon running in Iowa and New Hampshire at the same time?

The wife and I were in NH to see the first Sleeves play just as the last Democratic primary was rolling into town, it honestly felt like a zombie movie as we drove out of town.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oops my bad. Meant to say next debate.


If Ron Paul wins Iowa, he has a good chance Newt will probably be done

[hanso]

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Hey WF stop stalking that wheather lady on twiter. Is this her on youtube?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is my fav weathergirl


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[A.J.]

I'll marry her so she can stay here legally.

[cougarjake13]

This is my fav weathergirl


<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/IhIBz0hoJXI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Nice n thick love it

[disneyspy]

Nice n thick love it

attention mods,clean up in aisle 13

[cougarjake13]

Na I used a sock

It's all good

[hanso]

Looks a Lil on the big side, but I would pounce on ponce. You think see can read the english? You sent her on twiter saying she is your fav. WF?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks a Lil on the big side, but I would pounce on ponce. You think see can read the english? You sent her on twiter saying she is your fav. WF?

Yup sent a few days ago. I actually tweeted in Espanol.


Even if I did in English im sure she would be able to read it. That station is based out of NJ


As far as body type, thats perfect. To hell with skinny emaciated women

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dole endorses Mitt


http://news.yahoo.com/bob-dole-endorses-romney-republican-nominee-160230105.html

[hanso]

Yup sent a few days ago. I actually tweeted in Espanol.


Even if I did in English im sure she would be able to read it. That station is based out of NJ


As far as body type, thats perfect. To hell with skinny emaciated women

When I point my mouse over the T under your nic I read it in english. Was just kicking around to see what all the icons where under peoples names.

[disneyspy]

When I point my mouse over the T under your nic I read it in english. Was just kicking around to see what all the icons where under peoples names.

whats mine say in english?

[Dude!]

Dole endorses Mitt

Bob Dole?

well that does it...
Mitt has my vote now

[hanso]

whats mine say in english?

Ok I take back wishing good luck in playoffs. Go Crabtree 120 yds 2 tds. Come join my NBA RFN when your out.

[disneyspy]

NEVER!!

ok just not this year,i really could give 2 shits about the NBA this year

[epo]

Dole endorses Mitt

http://news.yahoo.com/bob-dole-endorses-romney-republican-nominee-160230105.html

This whole Mitt Romney thing is fascinating.

The hard right is so whooped up that they keep trying to find a prettier candidate than Mitt cuz he's "too moderate" (which is laughable).

Bachmann - Perry - Cain - Gingrich - ????

Dumbest political party ever.

[keithy_19]

Santorium is going to swoop in and become the super candidate th party desperately wants. And then they'll lose in th general and tht's that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why the hell is she still given a platform?


http://news.yahoo.com/palin-not-too-enter-gop-presidential-race-210221972.html

[hanso]

This whole Mitt Romney thing is fascinating.

The hard right is so whooped up that they keep trying to find a prettier candidate than Mitt cuz he's "too moderate" (which is laughable).

Bachmann - Perry - Cain - Gingrich - ????

Dumbest political party ever.

It's not just the candidates the party is pulled into so many pieces they have to try to jump through so many hoops.

The one that goes to the top gets shot down then it starts all over.

[Kevin]

Wait, Bob Dole is still alive????!

I thought he died years ago!

[keithy_19]

Wait, Bob Dole is still alive????!


Kind of.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yPWyFZEdY0s/SZpOz0PDdXI/AAAAAAAAI_M/rT_hLvyrWgM/s400/prezlosers.jpg

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/1N0f9.jpg

[spoon]

http://i.imgur.com/1N0f9.jpg

wow is that real?

[hanso]

wow is that real?

It is said to be real.

[hanso]

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[hanso]

This whole Mitt Romney thing is fascinating.

The hard right is so whooped up that they keep trying to find a prettier candidate than Mitt cuz he's "too moderate" (which is laughable).

Bachmann - Perry - Cain - Gingrich - ????

Dumbest political party ever.

Let's not forget the audiences at these 'debates' with all the things they have cheered and booed. Reminiscent of the Roman Colosseum spectacles. Only this time around they are the so called Christians.

[A.J.]

http://i.imgur.com/1N0f9.jpg

I know just the spot for that in McLean, VA.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Let's not forget the audiences at these 'debates' with all the things they have cheered and booed. Reminiscent of the Roman Colosseum spectacles. Only this time around they are the so called Christians.

Barackus the Gladiator to appear at the coliseum

[cougarjake13]

http://i.imgur.com/1N0f9.jpg

I guess since he's a public figure they can use his image without consent ?

[hanso]

Maybe, and he can't argue the facts.

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Virginia might be for lovers. However


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-gingrich-perry-will-not-be-on-va-ballot/2011/12/24/gIQAJPhpFP_video.html

[hanso]

Virginia might be for lovers. However


http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-gingrich-perry-will-not-be-on-va-ballot/2011/12/24/gIQAJPhpFP_video.html

Newt won't even be on ballot in his home state. That's about as bad as losing the home state.

[cougarjake13]

Newt won't even be on ballot in his home state. That's about as bad as losing the home state.


but he'll still be able to run no ?


dont matter to me either way was just curious

[epo]

but he'll still be able to run no ?


dont matter to me either way was just curious

Virginia's election laws don't allow write-in candidates during primaries.

This just shows what a fucking joke Newt & Perry's organizations/campaigns truly are.

[cougarjake13]

Virginia's election laws don't allow write-in candidates during primaries.

This just shows what a fucking joke Newt & Perry's organizations/campaigns truly are.



but he could still run in other states and just basically know he loses virginia ??

[hanso]

Saw from topic section online that his organizations/campaigns needed signatures they couldn't get. There are a few stories on this around.

[A.J.]

Newt won't even be on ballot in his home state. That's about as bad as losing the home state.

No, losing your home state is worse. Ask Al Gore about that.

[epo]

No, losing your home state is worse. Ask Al Gore about that.

I'll go to my grave cursing Florida for 2000, but in my heart I'll never forgive Gore for losing Tennessee.

[Jujubees2]

Newt campaign's Virginia primary ballot failure not a 'Pearl Harbor' sneak attack, but their own fault: pundits (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/newt-campaign-virginia-primary-ballot-failure-a-pearl-harbor-sneak-attack-fault-pundits-article-1.996928)

[A.J.]

What an encouraging message to send to the voters: I can't successfully campaign in my home state but I'll be great at running the country.

[cougarjake13]

What an encouraging message to send to the voters: I can't successfully campaign in my home state but I'll be great at running the country.




all of this seems to point to obama winning re-election by default

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Newt is not going to be the nominee. After Iowa he will continue to free fall

[KnoxHarrington]

What an encouraging message to send to the voters: I can't successfully campaign in my home state but I'll be great at running the country.

Exactly. We really should pay close attention to how a candidate runs their campaign: it's often a very good indicator of how they'll do as President.

[A.J.]

Exactly. We really should pay close attention to how a candidate runs their campaign: it's often a very good indicator of how they'll do as President.

Not really. Jimmy Carter ran a great campaign in 1976.

[epo]

all of this seems to point to obama winning re-election by default

Yes.

[Bob Impact]

all of this seems to point to obama winning re-election by default

Yes.

Yup.

I really wish the Republicans would man the fuck up and run Ron Paul, he's way more likely to pull some liberals and almost all independents over.

[cougarjake13]

If he gets there that's who I plan on voting for

Ron paul

[epo]

Yup.

I really wish the Republicans would man the fuck up and run Ron Paul, he's way more likely to pull some liberals and almost all independents over.

If he gets there that's who I plan on voting for

Ron paul

Every establishment Democrat who wishes the destruction of the Republican Party wishes the GOP primary voters would nominate Ron Paul too.

[hanso]

Every establishment Democrat who wishes the destruction of the Republican Party wishes the GOP primary voters would nominate Ron Paul too.

Ha, I was about to put that he is to anti-establishment for them to do so.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yup.

I really wish the Republicans would man the fuck up and run Ron Paul, he's way more likely to pull some liberals and almost all independents over.

Unfortunately it will be Romney who gets the nod. He's the safest bet the GOP will nominate.

[hanso]

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The Don is out Flavor Flav!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

God damn that was so bad it was good at the same time

:lol::lol:

[KnoxHarrington]

Every establishment Democrat who wishes the destruction of the Republican Party wishes the GOP primary voters would nominate Ron Paul too.

You know, Ron Paul fans accuse the "mainstream media" of ignoring him because he's just so badass and cool, but when you do start to analyze his actual platform, it soon becomes clear how dangerously batshit crazy his platform is.

I think a lot of Ron Paul's "supporters" base their support on a very surface-level look at him: they hear him say cool things about legalizing drugs and think he's all right. The thing is, though, whenever Ron Paul talks about limiting government power, he is talking about the federal government only. Ron Paul doesn't have a problem with states turning into theocracies at all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You know, Ron Paul fans accuse the "mainstream media" of ignoring him because he's just so badass and cool, but when you do start to analyze his actual platform, it soon becomes clear how dangerously batshit crazy his platform is.

I think a lot of Ron Paul's "supporters" base their support on a very surface-level look at him: they hear him say cool things about legalizing drugs and think he's all right. The thing is, though, whenever Ron Paul talks about limiting government power, he is talking about the federal government only. Ron Paul doesn't have a problem with states turning into theocracies at all.

I dont believe he would want a theocracy at a state level, but he would want each state to compete against each other. You can always move to another state.


He believes that for example if CA and NY want to be bastions for progressives , let them do that, but if they collapse under the weight of their own budget shortfalls dont expect peple in other states to pick up the slack

[hanso]

And how would anything get accomplished in a state sided utopian dream they put forth without raising taxes?


Ron Paul might be getting a stormfront and like groups (others are backing him) push in Iowa.

Looks like debates are over maybe this thread can change to what's taking place caucuses etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If CA wants to have all the social program it wants it can raise taxes and impose fees but if their state police force is under funded then they shouldnt go begging to other states to cover the shortfall.

[hanso]

If CA wants to have all the social program it wants it can raise taxes and impose fees but if their state police force is under funded then they shouldnt go begging to other states to cover the shortfall.

Doubt any state would have FU $ or even be self sustaining for that matter, if they all went to this system.

Think about it taxes would have to be through the roof. The very thing they rail about, this is not being thought threw at all.

[KnoxHarrington]

Doubt any state would have FU $ or even be self sustaining for that matter, if they all went to this system.

Think about it taxes would have to be through the roof. The very thing they rail about, this is not being thought threw at all.

And the whole "You can move" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you can move to any other state at any time. You don't have to worry about selling your house or getting out of a lease. And there's nothing easier than packing up all your stuff and going. Especially if you've been charged with some bullshit new law that a state can pass in Ron Paul's libertarian paradise, and you now have a criminal record.

Do you know what sort of mouth-breathing, inbred hillbillies fill the state legislatures of a lot of states? We need the federal government to maintain a baseline of civil rights in this country. States cannot be trusted to do that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And the whole "You can move" thing is bullshit. Yeah, you can move to any other state at any time. You don't have to worry about selling your house or getting out of a lease. And there's nothing easier than packing up all your stuff and going. Especially if you've been charged with some bullshit new law that a state can pass in Ron Paul's libertarian paradise, and you now have a criminal record.

Do you know what sort of mouth-breathing, inbred hillbillies fill the state legislatures of a lot of states? We need the federal government to maintain a baseline of civil rights in this country. States cannot be trusted to do that.

People have been leaving NY and CA for tax friendlier states like NC FL and AZ over the last 10 years. NY's population has decreased and as a result they are losing a couple of seats for the house of reps.

And do you know what kind of lugnuts are in state legislatures of MA, NY, CA and IL for example.


There are already federal civil rights laws like voting rights. I think youre missing my point. Do you want the federal government to intervene and define marriage? How about gun laws,? What difference does it make to someone if they live in NY with stricter laws that Texas has less restrictive gun laws? They are 2000 miles apart.


Look I dont want an articles of confederation type of gov't. Its better to have a single currency and standaerd of weights and measures, Plus I dont want states declaring war on each other but the federal government has overstepped its limits going back 100 years and both parties are liable. Hell Bush expanded the federal gov't the most since LBJ. How the hell can he be even considered a conservative?

[epo]

I dont believe he would want a theocracy at a state level, but he would want each state to compete against each other. You can always move to another state.

He believes that for example if CA and NY want to be bastions for progressives , let them do that, but if they collapse under the weight of their own budget shortfalls dont expect peple in other states to pick up the slack

He also has strange friends:

http://www.politicalruminations.com/images/gop2012/RonPaulDonBlackDerekBlackklan.jpg

[hanso]

Yep, That's him, guy that runs Stormfront. His name is Black, he lives in the next big city north of me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why all of a sudden people are afraid of Ron Paul.


Nothing to worry about. The nominee is going to be that dapper looking Mormon man.
And if he's elected you dont have to worry about states having more power, hes just another big government guy but in a different party

[KnoxHarrington]

From the "You're not helping" file:

Mr. [David] Duke, who was something of a mentor to Mr. [Don] Black [founder of the website Stormfront] during their days in the Klan, called in to discuss Mr. Paul. Though he said he wasn’t ready to make an official endorsement, Mr. Duke explained why he’ll be voting for Mr. Paul.

“Again, I go back to that, you know, traditional topic that I always talk about, you know, the powers of international Zionism — a power in banking, a power in media, a power in government influence, in campaign finance — a power that’s, you know, hurting the values of this country on behalf of Israel,” Mr. Duke said. “So, I would vote for Ron Paul at this moment because he’s one of the few candidates who have policies in this regard and this realm that I wholeheartedly support, and that’s why I’d vote for him.”

Hmm, yeah, this whole "Ron Paul is a racist" thing must be a total fabrication of the Liberal Media.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/29/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-hes-voting-for-ron-paul-he-understands-powers-of-international-zionism/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again Relax Everyone


Ron Paul Will Not Be The Nominee

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of Jew Bashing


http://www.atoast2wealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jeremiah_wright203891080.jpg


Only difference then Senator Obama had a better chance of becoming the nominee


When it was convenient, he tossed him aside

[Bob Impact]

From the "You're not helping" file:



Hmm, yeah, this whole "Ron Paul is a racist" thing must be a total fabrication of the Liberal Media.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/29/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-hes-voting-for-ron-paul-he-understands-powers-of-international-zionism/

It's not the liberals working so hard to destroy Ron Paul's campaign.

BTW, Paul is BY FAR the most liberal candidate running.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/GyUyc.jpg

[epo]

It's not the liberals working so hard to destroy Ron Paul's campaign.

BTW, Paul is BY FAR the most liberal candidate running.

Trust me, democrats have zero interest in destroying Ron Paul.

He's very good with us as the GOP nominee.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who would the Democrats rather have?


Mitt Romney is still going to be ambushed by a billion dollar war chest. I can see Axelrod thinking of commercials comparing the 2. One a priviliged white rich kid the other a child abandoned by his drunken father and dumped off to his grandmother by an avant garde mother

[spoon]

My main problem with both parties...ok, really one of many, is how they think government is some strict code set by our forefathers and it must only be slightly tweaked for the times. Sure this applies to the GOP more, but both love to throw around the Constitution and Constitutional Law like it's our modern day bible, as opposed to a guideline to START from and constantly adjust as the factors of our society change.

Thomas Jefferson himself said it'll need to be changed often and every generation deserves to have its own revolution to keep things current and on track. Instead, we live in the past in terms of religious and governmental restrictions. It's easier this way, all the direction is taken care of and nobody has to make actual choices and lead the country in true fashion. Our main area of big government overstepping and depleting this country is truly the investment and ramp up of our military year after year, era after era in the light of true needs at home. It's that simple. The powers that be are completely entrenched and will continue as such until someone has the...how's that go according to Bachman?...chutzput to go after that and work from there. First it was bc of WWII, then so many more like Communism/Vietnam/Korea, The Cold War, Middle East I, Middle East II, Terrorism...you get the point. Scare our money from us and cloud the common man's mind so he/she won't mind money being put into pockets to run the engine of war (fear) for profit. The most lucrative, and legal, way to fleece tax dollars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Both parties are the same in which they both have morphed into big government parties backed by their special interests and corporate donors. There are no statesmen today. Its just whos the biggest celebrity, who can cry the most, who can say "they have your back" and say that they will uphold the constitution.

The founders with their flaws knew that one day there would be technological advances but they also knew one thing that mans thirst for more power would always be there. Madison wanted a limited federal government. Hamilton wanted more of a national government with broader powers.


The constitution isnt outdated, our government just has gone beyond its limits whether its thru bloated welfare and entitlements or wars without declaration to the massive police state we have all in the nameof security

[spoon]

Both parties are the same in which they both have morphed into big government parties backed by their special interests and corporate donors. There are no statesmen today. Its just whos the biggest celebrity, who can cry the most, who can say "they have your back" and say that they will uphold the constitution.

The founders with their flaws knew that one day there would be technological advances but they also knew one thing that mans thirst for more power would always be there. Madison wanted a limited federal government. Hamilton wanted more of a national government with broader powers.


The constitution isnt outdated, our government just has gone beyond its limits whether its thru bloated welfare and entitlements or wars without declaration to the massive police state we have all in the nameof security

speaking of duels and the fed!

oh and if anything, our gov is a mess bc it's out of touch in so many ways...such as Montana getting the same amount of senators are California and Florida, and so much of how our national elections go. also, if anything the gov represents a WHOLE lot more people than in the past, so it's not up to par in that light either. There are soooo many ways this country has fallen behind the times and is out of touch...and everyone is to blame by not creating their own era, versus living in the past with archaic systems and procedures.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

speaking of duels and the fed!

oh and if anything, our gov is a mess bc it's out of touch in so many ways...such as Montana getting the same amount of senators are California and Florida, and so much of how our national elections go. also, if anything the gov represents a WHOLE lot more people than in the past, so it's not up to par in that light either. There are soooo many ways this country has fallen behind the times and is out of touch...and everyone is to blame by not creating their own era, versus living in the past with archaic systems and procedures.

The House represents the people and the Senate represents the states. Now it wouldnt be such a huge mess if the 17th amendment was repealed and let state legislatures elect Senators instead of popular votes.


Look at the house. There are 435 members and with a population of 312 Million thats over 717,000 people 1 member of the house has to represent on average.


Another problem is the federal reserve. Our central bank is a private institution comprising of 12 member banks which in turned are owned by the big banks. Theres no accountability, money is created without congressional oversight. Rates can be raised and or lowered without oversight and in almost 100 years never has been audited and a major factor of bubbles and bursts

[Crispy123]

It's not the liberals working so hard to destroy Ron Paul's campaign.

BTW, Paul is BY FAR the most liberal candidate running.

Despite what Fox and Glenn Beck say, liberal does not mean batshit crazy.

Ron Paul is in no way shape or form liberal. He is a racist, conspiracy theorist. He is the typical Republitard hypocrite tho, in that, he rails against government but has spent 30 years doing his damndest to be in the government. Nothing liberal about him.

[StanUpshaw]

You're just upset that he would make it harder for you to get paid to murder brown people.

[hanso]

People have been leaving NY and CA for tax friendlier states like NC FL and AZ over the last 10 years. NY's population has decreased and as a result they are losing a couple of seats for the house of reps.

And do you know what kind of lugnuts are in state legislatures of MA, NY, CA and IL for example.


There are already federal civil rights laws like voting rights. I think youre missing my point. Do you want the federal government to intervene and define marriage? How about gun laws,? What difference does it make to someone if they live in NY with stricter laws that Texas has less restrictive gun laws? They are 2000 miles apart.


Look I dont want an articles of confederation type of gov't. Its better to have a single currency and standaerd of weights and measures, Plus I dont want states declaring war on each other but the federal government has overstepped its limits going back 100 years and both parties are liable. Hell Bush expanded the federal gov't the most since LBJ. How the hell can he be even considered a conservative?

Thought this over gold would have to be the currency. With Glenn Beck as the Head Czar under the auspices of Goldline.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of Currency


I still wanna know where that Obama bucks secret stash is

[hanso]

Children would conduct all manual labor employment under the auspices of Head Czar Newt Gingrich. And all public sector work would be done on a voluntary basis. With teachers having a considerably lighter workload.

[hanso]

Speaking of Jew Bashing


http://www.atoast2wealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/jeremiah_wright203891080.jpg


Only difference then Senator Obama had a better chance of becoming the nominee


When it was convenient, he tossed him aside

Unlike Dr. Paul who is OK with the support of Stormfront. And other like groups are also lining up. Makes one wonder about his connection with what was put out in those newsletters.

[hanso]

One more debate this Sun Jan 8th NBC Meet The Press.

[epo]

Santorum either first or second in Iowa.

What does that say about this crop of GOP nitwits?

[keithy_19]

Santorum either first or second in Iowa.

What does that say about this crop of GOP nitwits?

That the establishment are homophobic assholes?

Obama will easily win in 2012.

[HBox]

It's a very frothy night in Iowa tonight.

[epo]

It's a very frothy night in Iowa tonight.

I need to learn more about this nice Santorum fella.

[StanUpshaw]

I need to learn more about this nice Santorum fella.

Have you tried Google? I hear it can be quite the effective instrument for accessing information.

[sailor]

Santorum either first or second in Iowa.

What does that say about this crop of GOP nitwits?

it says he shook a lot of hands and people like that. nothing more. iowa is not representative of anything.

[epo]

it says he shook a lot of hands and people like that. nothing more. iowa is not representative of anything.

What does it say about Romney? How many GOP girlfriends did they date just to avoid Romney? Is that a problem for the "front runner"?

[Recyclerz]

Santorum either first or second in Iowa.

What does that say about this crop of GOP nitwits?

I think it's interesting that the three main blocks within the GOP - The Protect Big Business's Interests (Romney); The Libertarians (Paul) and the Jesus Take The Wheel Social Conservatives (Santorum) split the vote almost evenly. Since each of those groups now think they have a real chance of steering the boat I expect the intramural fighting to take on the Total War mentality they've been attacking Obama with only now trained on each other. Should be fun to watch from this side of the fence and could lead to a break-up of the GOP as it now exists. If that happens the cracks will also be visible in the Democratic coalitions as well and maybe, just maybe, we can get past the current pointless pissing matches between the sides drawn up for the Cold War/Baby Boomer ascendency and start getting some fresh ideas for the problems we have today.

Which would be nice.

[hanso]

I think it's interesting that the three main blocks within the GOP - The Protect Big Business's Interests (Romney); The Libertarians (Paul) and the Jesus Take The Wheel Social Conservatives (Santorum) split the vote almost evenly. Since each of those groups now think they have a real chance of steering the boat I expect the intramural fighting to take on the Total War mentality they've been attacking Obama with only now trained on each other. Should be fun to watch from this side of the fence and could lead to a break-up of the GOP as it now exists. If that happens the cracks will also be visible in the Democratic coalitions as well and maybe, just maybe, we can get past the current pointless pissing matches between the sides drawn up for the Cold War/Baby Boomer ascendency and start getting some fresh ideas for the problems we have today.

Which would be nice.

Nice thought but it's said getting the House or Senate have very low chances, so the gridlock should just hum along or even get worse.

[spoon]

it says he shook a lot of hands and people like that. nothing more. iowa is not representative of anything.

what about iowa?

[PapaBear]

it says he shook a lot of hands and people like that. nothing more. iowa is not representative of anything.

what about iowa?
Zing!

[Furtherman]

Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Michele Bachmann all said God told them to run for President. What a meanie, making them waste their time. I hope his next instructions involve crossing the Atlantic on a giant sea turtle. At least that won't waste our time.

[A.J.]

I thought God's only political involvement was ordaining monarchies. It's good to see that He is mellowing in his old age and is jumping on the representative government bandwagon!

[spoon]

Ok u both are killing me over here! Ha!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

God will send Cain to Fox news and he will either have his own show or be an "analyst" like Palin

[hanso]

I thought God's only political involvement was ordaining monarchies. It's good to see that He is mellowing in his old age and is jumping on the representative government bandwagon!

He did the same with GWB must have been in an Old
Testament mood that day and on adice to go into Iraq.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McCain endorses Romney

Milquetoasts stick together

[Crispy123]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6633436695_aaa8c90c55_o.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6633436695_aaa8c90c55_o.jpg

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/envoy/rick-santorum-foreign-policy-combative-hawk-according-bono-132121994.html

[Bob Impact]

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama violated the constitution again. The senate was not in recess.


Fuck it. Boehner should grow a pair and not allow funding this new bureaucracy.

[Furtherman]

Santorum: "They have this idea that people should be left alone, be able to do whatever they want to do, government should keep our taxes down and regulations low, that we shouldn't get involved in the bedroom or in cultural issues. That is not how traditional conservatives view the world."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Gwwmm-cQxU

The people who support Rick Santorum aren't associated with any political affiliation. They aren't Tea Partiers, Neo-Conservatives, Religious Nutjobs or "Everyone Gets A Lollipop" Fuzzy Liberals. They are simply ASSHOLES. They want the rules of THEIR house, to be the rules of EVRYONES house.