President-Elect Obama Thread

[Recyclerz]

A 2004 Interview with Biden (from TPM)

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/biden_interview_2004.php#more

This country NEEDS the intelligence, perspective and emotional maturity that Obama and Biden demonstrate. If we had the late '90's - 2000 McCain running, this would probably be the election with the best choices in my lifetime. I hope that McCain comes back to us by the debates, but I don't think we can infer that from the existing data points.

[Zorro]

I disagree. If you look at history she's been more supportive of the winning nominiee than most failed candidates. She backed Obama months ago, that's actually pretty rare considering how well she did. The media is creating a false story.

I would like to agree with you, but the facts don;t support it....

[Kevin]

Wow. This bitch that is taking the votes is awful that it might make me a republican. Cali passed? Pussies.

[Kevin]

Stop it with the stupid state mattos. Nobody fucking cares.

[bubs]

Wow. This bitch that is taking the votes is awful that it might make me a republican. Cali passed? Pussies.

what???? stop pulling your cock when you type. its built for 2 hands!

[foodcourtdruide]

I would like to agree with you, but the facts don;t support it....

How don't they support it? The fact is Hillary Clinton came out last night and made a speech throwing FULL support behind Obama and the media is STILL trying to portray a rift in the party. Jesse Jackson threatened to withhold his delegates in 1988 and Jerry Brown didn't even support Clinton in 1992. How many crazy Hillary supports have you seen on television these past few months? How many of them are screaming that they will never support Obama and may vote for McCain? Now compare that with the ACTUAL number of Hillary supporters that think this way. The press is desperately trying to do two things:

1. Portray a rift in the party.
2. Portray Obama as weak compared to the almighty Clintons.

[Kevin]

Did Fla just say we believe in voting for person, and then gave votes to both?

[NewYorkDragons80]

So having fun with your own self-image in front of those who know who know you best is bad?

You obviously don't get the nuances of public speaking.
Even though it was a somewhat clever line, I was completely uncomfortable hearing it.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Bill Clinton is a good speaker. Why isnt he running for president?

[KatPw]

MSNBC, from a purely technical perspective, has had horrible coverage. Audio has consistently cut out the last two days. Yesterday they were coming out of interviews not knowing where they were going next. Tonight video feeds have been cutting out. They are in front of a train station and the train horn is consistently going off int he background.

I'm finding the MSNBC coverage quite entertaining, because it is so comical. WTF is up with the train whistle? And did you see the guy in the crowd with the giant Obama head? Creepy.

[KatPw]

I'm so glad Clinton just mentioned the assault on science. I really cannot stand ID/creationists.
ETA: Great speech. Now I am hopeful.

[GreatAmericanZero]

what the fuck is hanging off of the left side of john kerry's face? he looks like the elephant man

[sailor]

How don't they support it? The fact is Hillary Clinton came out last night and made a speech throwing FULL support behind Obama and the media is STILL trying to portray a rift in the party. Jesse Jackson threatened to withhold his delegates in 1988 and Jerry Brown didn't even support Clinton in 1992. How many crazy Hillary supports have you seen on television these past few months? How many of them are screaming that they will never support Obama and may vote for McCain? Now compare that with the ACTUAL number of Hillary supporters that think this way. The press is desperately trying to do two things:

1. Portray a rift in the party.
2. Portray Obama as weak compared to the almighty Clintons.

27%? (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aVpGDOm6glN8&refer=home)

[GreatAmericanZero]

wow Obama's old uncle who help liberate a concentration camp is the whitest man ive ever seen. I forgot Obama was half white from all this stuff about him being a black candidate


Btw, putting Kerry after Bill Clinton really shows what a bad speaker he was

[DiabloSammich]

I'm not a fan of Kerry's "Barack Obama" call and response.

When I say "TU"

You say "PAC"


TU!

PAC!

TU!

PAC!

[epo]

what the fuck is hanging off of the left side of john kerry's face? he looks like the elephant man

Sorry, he looks like a 65 year old man.

[epo]

I'm not a fan of Kerry's "Barack Obama" call and response.

When I say "TU"

You say "PAC"


TU!

PAC!

TU!

PAC!

Or.....

BI!

DEN!

BI!

DEN!

You know you wanna.

[Friday]

I'm not a fan of Kerry's "Barack Obama" call and response.

When I say "TU"

You say "PAC"


TU!

PAC!

TU!

PAC!

When I say "DIABLO", you say "SAMMICH" !

DIABLO!

SAMMICH!

DIABLO!

SAMMICH!!

[GreatAmericanZero]

I'm not a fan of Kerry's "Barack Obama" call and response.

When I say "TU"

You say "PAC"


TU!

PAC!

TU!

PAC!

yeah, its uncomfortable when the guy up on stage asks the audience to participate

[BinaryBimbo]

I'm so glad Clinton just mentioned the assault on science. I really cannot stand ID/creationists.
ETA: Great speech. Now I am hopeful.


Yeah that was a great endorsement of Obama; there is no Clinton backlash like they said.

Next up Biden. This should be fun.

[BinaryBimbo]

wow Obama's old uncle who help liberate a concentration camp is the whitest man ive ever seen. I forgot Obama was half white from all this stuff about him being a black candidate


Btw, putting Kerry after Bill Clinton really shows what a bad speaker he was


The Kerry speech was a marvel of your TV.

He gave that speech Monday.

[AKA]

A 2004 Interview with Biden (from TPM)

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/08/biden_interview_2004.php#more

This country NEEDS the intelligence, perspective and emotional maturity that Obama and Biden demonstrate. If we had the late '90's - 2000 McCain running, this would probably be the election with the best choices in my lifetime. I hope that McCain comes back to us by the debates, but I don't think we can infer that from the existing data points.

If John McCain had actually won his party's nomination by thumbing his nose to the machine in charge as he has done in the past - by not cuddling up to Bush during the 2004 re-election - by winning over the Primary voters by being who he was in the late 90s - 2000, I would have had a very, very hard time not voting for him.

My only consolation is that if he wins, the "old" McCain might show up (not an age crack) and really doesn't govern from ideology - and then the Republicans will remember that the only real bi-partisan appeal he has is in pissing off both parties equally.

With luck, however, he is falling into the "entitlement" trap anyone that has ever run for a job that they feel they are best qualified for than anyone else - Al Gore, Bob Dole, Bush Sr. and Hillary Clinton all learned a lesson I'm hoping John McCain learns this November.

[epo]

As for Bill Clinton's speech tonight, it was outstanding. This line alone shows how eloquent he can be when he chooses to do so:

"People around the world have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power."

Kudos Big Dog.

[AKA]

I'm finding the MSNBC coverage quite entertaining, because it is so comical. WTF is up with the train whistle? And did you see the guy in the crowd with the giant Obama head? Creepy.

CNN is way too dull - the networks are unwatchable - Fox is an absolute abomination to anyone who actually cares about this country - so that leaves the dry PBS (which I do dig), the dryer C-Span, and finally MSNBC, which really does put on a show. It's like watching a football team, while listening to the home team cover it - it's just more fun. MAYBE I'll watch the GOP next week exclusvily on Fox (nah, but maybe.......nah).

At least their token Republicans (Mike Murphy, Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan) are the real fucking deals, and are comfortable speaking their minds, and don't feel the knee-jerk retardation to say something negative because they "ARE OF A DIFFERENT PARTY!" They can have conversation, they make great points and some of the best observations, and they sometimes have good things to say about the other side.

[epo]

The Kerry speech was a marvel of your TV.

He gave that speech Monday.

Actually it was more impressive that he delivered it on Monday, in my living room!

[DiabloSammich]

As for Bill Clinton's speech tonight, it was outstanding. This line alone shows how eloquent he can be when he chooses to do so:



Kudos Big Dog.



I missed it.

Did he talk about how great Biden is?

[epo]

I missed it.

Did he talk about how great Biden is?

He did in the first couple of lines. You would've been proud.

[Friday]

Actually it was more impressive that he delivered it on Monday, in my living room!

did you cook him up some jicama and cheese curds?

[DiabloSammich]

He did in the first couple of lines. You would've been proud.



(wipes tear)

That's my boy!

(sniff)

[epo]

did you cook him up some jicama and cheese curds?

After the speech we fired up the grill, drank beer and threw the bottles at the wildlife in the woods.

[KatPw]

CNN is way too dull - the networks are unwatchable - Fox is an absolute abomination to anyone who actually cares about this country - so that leaves the dry PBS (which I do dig), the dryer C-Span, and finally MSNBC, which really does put on a show. It's like watching a football team, while listening to the home team cover it - it's just more fun. MAYBE I'll watch the GOP next week exclusvily on Fox (nah, but maybe.......nah).

At least their token Republicans (Mike Murphy, Joe Scarborough, Pat Buchanan) are the real fucking deals, and are comfortable speaking their minds, and don't feel the knee-jerk retardation to say something negative because they "ARE OF A DIFFERENT PARTY!" They can have conversation, they make great points and some of the best observations, and they sometimes have good things to say about the other side.
I get a kick out of Buchanan (go, Pat, go! hahahaha). When I watch Fox's coverage, I just think to myself "I used to be like these people? WTF!), because I was Republican for a long time. Then I yell at my TV.

[epo]

(wipes tear)

That's my boy!

(sniff)

Bill's first line:

I am honored to be here tonight...[crowd going nuts]...I am here, first to support Barack Obama and second I'm here to warm up the crowd for Joe Biden.

[Friday]

(wipes tear)

That's my boy!

(sniff)

awww..... no worries.
i have kind of an old dude crush on him too. :wink:

After the speech we fired up the grill, drank beer and threw the bottles at the wildlife in the woods.

not the overly large bunnies!!! :ohmy:

[DiabloSammich]

Pants are off!

[epo]

Pants are off!

And I see you've updated the avatar!

[HBox]

JOE BIDEN!

YAY!











YAY!













YAY!

[Friday]

Pants are off!

it's about time! mine have been off for hours!

[epo]

Do we have another Biden in our national future? Hmm......

[GreatAmericanZero]

wow, it made me uncomfortable when Obama kissed Bidens wife

[Friday]

yay! yay! yay!

and a big democratic wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[brettmojo]

wow, it made me uncomfortable when Obama kissed Bidens wife
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j167/RoyBright/whitepeopleare.jpg

[GreatAmericanZero]

he really does sound exactly like "The Rock". Wow

[KatPw]

wow, it made me uncomfortable when Obama kissed Bidens wife I have family members that do that, doesn't bother me. I'm sure all the separatists/racists are all having coronaries right now.

[DiabloSammich]

Whether you like democrats or not, there is simply no denying that this ticket holds two of the best speakers in politics.


Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go clean myself up.

[KnoxHarrington]

Boy, the PUMAS sure did wreck the convention, didn't they?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Bidens mom really is the oldest woman ever

[Friday]

Bidens mom really is the oldest woman ever

and that makes her fucking AWESOME.

[GreatAmericanZero]

"Obama-Biden" sounds like a really fancy dental product

[DiabloSammich]

Do we have another Biden in our national future? Hmm......



He's got a long way to go.

He's doing some good things as AG, but it still seems like he's stumbling through the job sometimes. At least 30 percent of the people that voted him in thought they were voting for his dad.

[GreatAmericanZero]

the guy on PBS (cuz its the only HD channel i have showing it) said "Biden said the 7 words that Hilary Clinton didn't say" and I immediately thought of "fuck shit piss cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits" but he meant "Barack Obama is ready to be president"

[Ritalin]

Who's this Rachel Maddow guy?

[epo]

Bidens mom really is the oldest woman ever

and that makes her fucking AWESOME.

The story about his mom telling him after a bloodied nose to go bloody that boy so he could hold his head high was total gold.

But her reaction of "it's true"....but even better than that.

[KnoxHarrington]

the guy on PBS (cuz its the only HD channel i have showing it) said "Biden said the 7 words that Hilary Clinton didn't say" and I immediately thought of "fuck shit piss cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits" but he meant "Barack Obama is ready to be president"

Jesus, the media will not let this narrative go, will they?

Political reporting, at least in the mainstream, is dogshit now.

[KatPw]

Who's this Rachel Maddow guy?

According to wiki she has an air America show and is going to have a new show on MSNBC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Maddow

[angrymissy]

the guy on PBS (cuz its the only HD channel i have showing it) said "Biden said the 7 words that Hilary Clinton didn't say" and I immediately thought of "fuck shit piss cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits" but he meant "Barack Obama is ready to be president"

I have NBC in HD, and I realized I don't want to watch the closeups on the attendees in HD, jesus christ was it scary.

[K.C.]

He's got a long way to go.

He's doing some good things as AG, but it still seems like he's stumbling through the job sometimes. At least 30 percent of the people that voted him in thought they were voting for his dad.

Like I said earlier, there's going to be a strong push to get Beau appointed to Showboatin' Joe's seat.

The problem is he's headed to Iraq in October.


The scenario my 'inside sources' are now telling me is that it's being mulled over about Minner taking the seat for two years, and having Joe's son run in the special election for it in 2010.

[DiabloSammich]

Like I said earlier, there's going to be a strong push to get Beau appointed to Showboatin' Joe's seat.

The problem is he's headed to Iraq in October.


The scenario my 'inside sources' are now telling me is that it's being mulled over about Minner taking the seat for two years, and having Joe's son run in the special election for it in 2010.



I am so tired of looking at that man beast it's not even funny.

Sorry, people, Delaware inside jokes here. Move along.

[K.C.]

I am so tired of looking at that man beast it's not even funny.

Sorry, people, Delaware inside jokes here. Move along.


The funniest thing about her, is that I swear I haven't met anyone who's ever voted for her (except me...who am I going to vote for...Bill Lee...I've seen him drunk at the Starboard before), and yet she dominates in elections.

I have no clue where the hell she gets votes.

[brettmojo]

Raxhel Maddow is a handsome... Human... Being?

[TeeBone]

What we know about the man isn't much......or is it just enough?
There are many things one could argue Obama has going for him that make him a good choice to be leader of the free world:

He's Young
He's Clean
He's Fresh
He's Multicultural
He's Young
He's Young

I'll say this, when Obama is speaking with someone else's words scrolling quickly across a TelePrompTer, its just pure joy and nobody has ever done it better. Ever seen him answer anything without a TelePrompTer?
"ehhhhh, uhhhhh, ehhhhh."

Oh Obama, you're incorrigible.

SAVE US OBAMA !!!
SAVE US FROM OURSELVES !!!

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OK, perhaps that wasn't fair and taken out of context because it was asked by FOX NEWS Sultan, Sean Hannity.

What if an Obama Man like Ole' Hardball asked...
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WOW, and that was asked to a Senator and professed Obama supporter directly. I would like to also point out that this evidence also refutes the claim that Matthews is in the tank for Obama.

Man, Obama has me convinced. I'll have some more KooL-Aide now please. Make sure its as red and sugary as Obama's leanings. MMMMMMMMMMM, delicious.

And how about his consistency on issues that matter most to us all, huhhhhhhh ???
How has Obama stood on his principles and word and stuck to his guns?
WELLLLLLLLLLLL, that's a bit tricky. You see, this Obama flip-flops more than Lantern-Jawed Jackass, John Kerry ever did. Wanna see the list so far?
THE WAR
In the earl part of 2007, the Democrats (with the GRAND CONSENSUS MAKER, Barrack Obama in tow) proposed a bill that if enacted, would pull out troops out of Iraq within 120 days. Keep in mind that this was happening as Congress was changing hands and the American voter was paying close attention. Less than a year earlier, Obama went on record as saying, "...A hard and fast arbitrary deadline for withdraw offers our commanders in the field and our diplomats in the region insufficient flexibility to implement strategy." HMMMMMMMM-----seems to be a flip-flop to me. Why though? It seems fairly obvious to me that Obama truly does not believe either way. He only believes what will get him elected. He believes that the consensus was to go that route and it worked. He's the Democratic candidate for the Presidency and has done so by flipping and flopping his way through this process. "I was against the war when it started..." Sure you were, Barrack. But you were a fledgling State Senator so who gives a crap?
FISA
Barrack was against the FISA Bill that would legalize warrant-less wiretaps, etc...and even went on to say, "...I'll filibuster against it." Now, he's somehow a supporter.....Why?
THE DEATH PENALTY FOR CHILD RAPIST
NAFTA FREE TRADE AGREEMENT
PUBLIC FINANCE REFORM
LEGAL IMMIGRATION
DECRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA
Something we can all get behind, I know
MEETING / CONFERRING WITH IRAN
Which as we all know and put so eloquently by the esteemed Senator form Illinois, "...countries like Iran are tiny and pose no real threat to us." Does Obama really understand the world we currently live?


We all want change, right? Sure that answer is easy. We all want stability in the world, a healthy and robust economy, freedoms America can offer and the freedom to see a politician like Obama for what he truly is: An Empty Suit.

He has to move toward the center because the fringe candidate is a dangerous candidate. PSSSSST, Barrack------Listen, your whole fucking electorate is on the fringe. As an example, take a look at some of the sights and sounds we've seen come out of Denver. Jesus Christ, what a bunch of lunatics. "FUCK FOX NEWS?" "FOX NEWS FUCKING SUCKS!!!" Nice, normal, well-thought out and caring. To be honest, I've watched coverage on NBC, CNN, FOX, CBS and ABC and the story is all the same----Negative, Negative, Negative. Thinking back to the last convention, it was the same thing and I don't remember the Republicans acting that way on every major news source in America. One of the reason might be is that Republicans have jobs and were unable to 'protest' during the middle of a work-day. But I forgot, the senseless chanting of, 'Flip-Flop, Flip-Flop' is the same thing, right? Those democrats are so open-minded, compassionate, caring and kind.
I've also heard on a few occasions so far that, "...All the Republicans are war-mongers."
That seems sensible as well. Let's for a moment, examine a few of our nation's wars and see how war-mongering those dastardly Republicans really are.

WORLD WAR I. - President Woodrow Wilson (D). It was the right thing to do for us to get involved and to fight the terror on all fronts, after over 100 of our boys were killed when a German U-Boat sank a British ship. Good show, Woodrow.
WORLD WAR II. - President Franklin Roosevelt (D). Ole' Roly-Poly was such a kind hearted man and caring too. Remember after Pearl Harbor, it was the compassionate Roosevelt who interned over 150,000 Japanese American as well as 10,000 German and Italian Americans. Germany and Italy didn't even attack us, but it was necessary to help fight terror on all fronts. We fought so hard, FDR almost jumped right up out of his chair. Some say he steered us out of the Great Depression. The rest of the world got out of the mess quick, but one could argue that the high taxes and social meddling of the FDR administration prolonged the Great Depression. Thanks, Frank.
KOREAN CONFLICT - President Harry S. Truman (D). He gets no love for being the leader during the forgotten war and sadly has become a forgotten President. Ever hear of the Marshall Plan? One of the bright points of an otherwise forgetful presidency. Also, his use of nuclear weapons was just awesome, wasn't it? Regardless if he could pronounce the word, 'nuclear,' one thing is clear------I bet harry Truman knew how many states there were when he alive, ********unlike someone else we know.***********
VIETNAM - President Lyndon Johnson (D). He actually accomplished more than most Presidents. He actually accomplished more than most Presidents. Certainly more than that awful JFK would have ever done. And don't kid yourself, if JFK has lived long enough, he would have steered us directly toward war as well. LBJ ALL THE WAY!!!!!
Yeah you're right, Republicans are War-Mongers.

For most Americans, the view of the world changed drastically after 9/11. Thanks in large part to the Clinton bunch, we were attacked by Osama Bin Laden on that horrible day. Let us not forget, it wasn't the first attack and ALL prior Bin Laden attacks came under the Clinton watch. Need a list? ---- didn't think so.
Yeah, its true, Clinton had that man's head on a platter on more than one occasion and according to the 9/11 commission, there were large amounts of proof that under the Clinton administration, we were surveilling Al-Queda and Bin Laden for years. Even in 1998, Slick Willy was quoted as saying, "We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes." I guess after the first World Trade Center Bombing as well as the attack on the USS Cole, it just could not be accomplish by Brother Bill. “We were not prepared to take the military action necessary,” said retired Gen. Wayne Downing. “We should have had strike forces prepared to go in and react to this intelligence, certainly cruise missiles — either air- or sea-launched — very, very accurate, could have gone in and hit those targets,” Downing added. I forgot though as many left-wing lunatic bumper stickers proudly and so incorrectly proclaim, 'WHEN CLINTON LIED, NOBODY DIED.' Tell that to the employees and innocent victims of that factory Clinton ordered a cruise missile into while trying to divert our attention away from his legacy as a president-------The Monica Lewinsky Episode. Over 3000 Americans dead on 9/11, Bill----thanks a lot for your service to our country and thanks also for trying to claim credit for the economic success of the 1990s. Did you forget about the Republican Revolution in the Senate during your administration who really made this happen?


We do however; have the ability to debate this and make a choice as to what is real and what is revised with our history. You see, its all about choice.
And what a great choice it was to choose Joe Biden. Don't let that tan fool you----he's not actually an outdoorsmen. This is a pussy----Delaware style. This loser has gone on record countless times against Obama, particularly during the heated primary season. Check this clip out:

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But now that its all over, I guess that was just two friends play acting. Additionally, Biden has gone on record for years singing the praises of John McCain.
Let's watch how quickly that changes. Obama/Biden---the Jackal ticket for change, neither man can define.

The bottom line is that we do know plenty about Obama and that is what is so scary. He simply is not the man for the job. That being said, it is going to be fun to watch him close the show at the horrendous display of unity that is the DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION.

In conclusion, I ask you all to use some logic when selecting a candidate. Go with the man with experience. Go with a man that can answer questions and a man who does stand on principles. A man who will lead us to energy independence, a man who will make us safer, a man who can put a sense of honor back into the tainted White House that was soiled by the Clintons and wiped with by the Bush Bunch.

OBAMA IS NOT THE MAN IN 08'.


I'd also like to point out that Michelle Obama is not running for office, so I refuse to talk about her. She's not worth the effort nor do I believe it is fair to write about her actions and words.

Here are some supplemental materials detailing the brilliance that is, Barrack Obama.
HIS FRIENDS
William Ayers - Ayers was a would-be murderer of soldiers and policemen, but he wasn't a very good terrorist. He had the ill fortune to be the subject of a profile in the New York Times on September 11, 2001, in which he said that he didn't regret his attempted murders and only wished that he had planted more bombs.
Rev. Wright - Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ. Obama first lied when he said he never heard the Reverend say controversial things in church. he later came clean about it and has now distanced himself from the Rev.---Why? Because Rev. Wright is a fucking maniac and so is Obama. It took the press holding his feet to the fire and proving he was lying to admit it. I guess its only a problem when you get caught. The Clintonian/Edwards syndrome has stricken Obama.
Tony Rezko - Rezko Was Convicted Of Wire And Mail Fraud, Money Laundering, And Aiding And Abetting Bribery. He is a slum lord who help Obama obtain property for housing in Chicago. Oh, he's also great friend and a HUUUUGE fund raiser.
Nice bunch, right?
ABORTION
In April 2002, Obama Dismissed an Abortion Bill by saying, "...adding an additional doctor, who then has to be called in an emergency room situation to come in and make these assessments is rally designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the decision to induce labor and perform an abortion." One could argue that Obama is OK with the death of a baby when a botched abortion takes place. But, that's the Democratic party. Its NOT OK to kill someone if they commit a murder, but it is OK for a woman to choose to kill a baby. Just such a caring party...
But as we all know now by Barrack Obama's own words, "...If my 14 year old got pregnant, I don't want to burden her with a baby..."
WOW-----what a compassionate, kind hearted and caring man.
RACE
Barrack is NOT black. Barrack is NOT white. Barrack is a mix of the two. Obviously, Barrack has two sets of Grandparents, the whites and the blacks. Maybe I'm pointing out the obvious because like Barrack Obama's Grandmother, I am a "Typical White Person."
WOMEN
*******Being called, 'Sweetie' is nice isn't it ladies that have read this far?*******
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Also, I'd like to point out that Michelle Obama is not running for President, so dragging her many controversial comments is not fair and should not be a determining factor when deciding who our President is.
Will Obama win? I think he will.
Will it be a dark day in our nation's history when he does? In more ways than one.

The Obama fad is played out, its over------use your head and vote for the man with experience......
SAY NO TO OBAMA
He's not our man.

[K.C.]

I'd read that, but I'm pretty sure my body would decompose before I finish.

Plus, it looks like the 18 chain e-mails I get a day compiled into some super 'Obama..oooooooooooo, bad!' post.

[Caseyelan]

Jesus Teebone.

That is the worlds longest post of what I consider insanity.

<----- voting obama and couldn't be happier about it.

[KatPw]

Jesus Teebone.

That is the worlds longest post of what I consider insanity.

<----- voting obama and couldn't be happier about it.
QFT.

[HBox]

Whole bunch of nonsene

I'm glad you've learned to cut and paste. You are making such progress. We are all so proud of you.

[K.C.]

I'm glad you've learned to cut and paste. You are making such progress. We are all so proud of you.

Did you have to quote it?

Now I have to hit page down six more times when I click on this thread to read the recent posts.

[brettmojo]

I got as far as "Save Us Obama" and I immediately thought of this...

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7424/th34iz7.gif

[DiabloSammich]

That's a whole bunch of words.

[HBox]

That's a whole bunch of words.

You are being overly generous.

[K.C.]

That's a whole bunch of words.

A lot of punctuation marks, too.

[K.C.]

Well...Chris Matthews is having an orgasm over Biden.

I love the FOX spin on tonight, though. Apparently the highlight of the night...'Barack Obama may have shopped in the same grocery store as Bill Ayers.'

Gotta love FOX.

[keithy_19]

Well...Chris Matthews is having an orgasm over Biden.

I love the FOX spin on tonight, though. Apparently the highlight of the night...'Barack Obama may have shopped in the same grocery store as Bill Ayers.'

Gotta love FOX.

Honestly, I watched the Fox News coverage of the convention, and I don't think it's that bad. I'm an independant mind you. I went through a phase of being a person with very conservative views to becoming a person with conservative ideas on goverment (small government mainly) and liberal ideas on social issues (ie. gay marriage, abortion).

[PapaBear]

liberal ideas on social issues (ie. gay marriage, abortion).
I feel ya, budday. I TOTALLY think gay married people should be allowed to get abortions!



Sorry. I'm not "on" tonight.:flush:

[A.J.]

wow, it made me uncomfortable when Obama kissed Bidens wife

http://www.morethings.com/fan/blazing_saddles/white_women-.jpg

[A.J.]

Bidens mom really is the oldest woman ever

Wait until you see McCain's Mom.

[foodcourtdruide]

27%? (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aVpGDOm6glN8&refer=home)

Yeah, those polls are always accurate, just ask President Kerry. I like how i seemingly magically changes 9% in 2 months for no apparent reason.

[AKA]

Honestly, I watched the Fox News coverage of the convention, and I don't think it's that bad.

You're kidding, right? Because in all of the years I've watched them it's never seen worse. Hannity, O'Reilly and Porn-lover Brit Hume have been foaming at the mouth all week - critical because the DNC isn't acting like the GOP - which, of course, if they had that would have been the Fox narrative. An obsession with the Clintons that is creepy, all because they didn't get their way and get the candidate they wanted.

Everyone in the media who make it sound like the job was Sen. Clintons for the taking keeps forgetting to tell people that there is 49% of Americans who will never vote for Hillary under any circumstance! The media actually knows this, but it doesn't help feed the narrative, which is to try and undercut the messages of this week - and Fox is the biggest offender. And instead of talking to the people who this is actually for (the Democrats), Karl Rove gets wall to wall coverage.

[AKA]

wow, it made me uncomfortable when Obama kissed Bidens wife

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z66/mister6898/black-cock-poster.jpg

This actually makes me much more uncomfortable...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m172/Spathiphyllum/Politics/mccain_bush_love.png

[AKA]

The story about his mom telling him after a bloodied nose to go bloody that boy so he could hold his head high was total gold.

But her reaction of "it's true"....but even better than that.

She actually did the "it's true" a couple of times during his speech, and every time it was just as endearing. I have moved from satisfied in the Biden pick to thrilled - Sen. Obama's choice was right on so many levels - this is now a ticket that I feel proud to vote for, all the way around, and I've never really felt that in any election I've voted in, since 1985.

He compliments Obama in their core values - brings experience that any party's ticket would welcome - we know he will speak his mind, and that speaks volumes to Obama's confidence that he can have different points of view in his administration - and it's just NICE that the two actually get along.

I was actually sold during Beau Biden's speech, before his dad came out - one where he didn't go into specifics about his own deployment to Iraq (and I'm sure most Americans aren't even aware of that) - but still one which even moved Michelle Obama to tears.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Jesus Teebone.

That is the worlds longest post of what I consider insanity.

<----- voting obama and couldn't be happier about it.

haha, i started reading teebones post (up into the first youtube video) and then i scrolled down and saw how long it was and gave up. I wouldn't read an article that long written by a legitimate writer in a publication about a subject i was interested in

[sailor]

Yeah, those polls are always accurate, just ask President Kerry. I like how i seemingly magically changes 9% in 2 months for no apparent reason.

if you're not going to accept polling, how can you conjecture as to the number based on nothing? be intellectually honest here.

[angrymissy]

You're kidding, right? Because in all of the years I've watched them it's never seen worse. Hannity, O'Reilly and Porn-lover Brit Hume have been foaming at the mouth all week - critical because the DNC isn't acting like the GOP - which, of course, if they had that would have been the Fox narrative. An obsession with the Clintons that is creepy, all because they didn't get their way and get the candidate they wanted.

Everyone in the media who make it sound like the job was Sen. Clintons for the taking keeps forgetting to tell people that there is 49% of Americans who will never vote for Hillary under any circumstance! The media actually knows this, but it doesn't help feed the narrative, which is to try and undercut the messages of this week - and Fox is the biggest offender. And instead of talking to the people who this is actually for (the Democrats), Karl Rove gets wall to wall coverage.

I was driving home and flipped on Fox's coverage on XM for a laugh, and they were going right to Rove. Gross. POTUS had the best coverage.

[foodcourtdruide]

if you're not going to accept polling, how can you conjecture as to the number based on nothing? be intellectually honest here.

I firmly believe that the media is aggressively (and deceptively) trying to create a narrative that: a. Hillary Clinton is/was potentially going to hijack the convention b. Barack Obama is weak compare to the almighty Clintons.

I do not think this is a vast conservative conspiracy to destroy the democrats, I simply think they are trying to create news where there is none.

Why on earth would I trust MSM polls that back support their make-believe narrative? Also, please explain the 9% increase between June and August. What happened in that period of time that would constitute a 9% increase?

There are definitely people who support Clinton that would NEVER support Obama and would even go as far as voting for McCain. I'm sure there's an accurate % of those numbers somewhere, but I'm not going to trust the MSM for that number.

[Zorro]

Porn-lover Brit Hume

Don't make you a bad person...

[K.C.]

I was driving home and flipped on Fox's coverage on XM for a laugh, and they were going right to Rove. Gross. POTUS had the best coverage.

The problem is that POTUS makes C-SPAN look like the super terrific happy fun time hour.

I'll watch FOX because I think I have a slight masochist streak. I like to torture myself.

Watching Hannity trot out, of all the possible relevant people at the DNC, Michael F'n Dukakis, just so he could beat him up about shit from 20 years ago was almost embarassing (although Dukakis was a bit sharper than I would have thought).


It's so obvious that they pick out the worst 'liberals' they could possible fine (Susan Estrich, Bob Beckel, Pat Caddel, ALAN COLMES), so Hannity can play Muhammed Ali to their George Wepner.

[angrymissy]

Oh Colmes, you're the worst.

http://www.am1340.com/Graphics/photos/colmes.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

I firmly believe that the media is aggressively (and deceptively) trying to create a narrative that: a. Hillary Clinton is/was potentially going to hijack the convention b. Barack Obama is weak compare to the almighty Clintons.

I do not think this is a vast conservative conspiracy to destroy the democrats, I simply think they are trying to create news where there is none.

Why on earth would I trust MSM polls that back support their make-believe narrative? Also, please explain the 9% increase between June and August. What happened in that period of time that would constitute a 9% increase?

There are definitely people who support Clinton that would NEVER support Obama and would even go as far as voting for McCain. I'm sure there's an accurate % of those numbers somewhere, but I'm not going to trust the MSM for that number.

I think it's less conspiracy than just plain laziness. The press went in with the handy narrative that the Clintons are going to wreck the convention, and don't want to step outside of it.

[epo]

I found this story to be very interesting this morning. The data is in and apparently the infamous Vice President hit 2.9 million phones last Saturday morning (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/obamas-vp-text.html).

You can debate the validity of the experiment, but honestly I think it was a stroke of genius....the campaign now has 2.9 million cell phone numbers. On November 4th, there will be 2.9 million cell phones getting a reminder to "get out and vote".

I wish more campaigns were creative like that.

[sailor]

Why on earth would I trust MSM polls that back support their make-believe narrative? Also, please explain the 9% increase between June and August. What happened in that period of time that would constitute a 9% increase?

There are definitely people who support Clinton that would NEVER support Obama and would even go as far as voting for McCain. I'm sure there's an accurate % of those numbers somewhere, but I'm not going to trust the MSM for that number.

people are fickle. if you poll today, i'm sure obama's numbers are up (and some of those will be for ridiculous reasons like they thought biden's mom was cute). most people shouldn't be allowed to vote (and i'd likely include myself in that majority before someone accuses me of elitism).

[K.C.]

I think it's less conspiracy than just plain laziness. The press went in with the handy narrative that the Clintons are going to wreck the convention, and don't want to step outside of it.

It's laziness to a degree, but they also know if they prod long enough, they'll get someone to say something, and then they can dig in.

Someone called Chris Matthews on it last night, and it was hilarious to watch him fake outrage, as if his journalistic integrity had been offended.


...then he proceeded to absolutely meltdown after Biden's speech into one giant crying mess, talking about 'the guy from the neighborhood'. That was just cringe inducing.

[angrymissy]

people are fickle. if you poll today, i'm sure obama's numbers are up (and some of those will be for ridiculous reasons like they thought biden's mom was cute). most people shouldn't be allowed to vote (and i'd likely include myself in that majority before someone accuses me of elitism).

Up to a 6% lead, polling reflecting up to the night of Hillary's speech. Tomorrow's poll should reflect Bill's/Biden's

[angrymissy]

It's laziness to a degree, but they also know if they prod long enough, they'll get someone to say something, and then they can dig in.

Someone called Chris Matthews on it last night, and it was hilarious to watch him fake outrage, as if his journalistic integrity had been offended.

...then he proceeded to absolutely meltdown after Biden's speech into one giant crying mess, talking about 'the guy from the neighborhood'. That was just cringe inducing.

What the hell is wrong with him? He's really been losing his mind this election, I swear. He's a mess.

[K.C.]

What the hell is wrong with him? He's really been losing his mind this election, I swear. He's a mess.

He's obsessed with being an Irish Catholic in 1960.


Although he's been crying a lot more on air this election, than any in the past.

But at least when he's choked up, it spares us the 'This is like Lawerence of Arabia crossing the Punjab desert...but he didn't know where to find water, and he had six camels and twelve walking sticks...' metaphors.

So that's a plus.

[Zorro]

What the hell is wrong with him? He's really been losing his mind this election, I swear. He's a mess.

MSNBC has been a mess. Apparently Russert used to run the place and since his death it's become "Lord of the Flies"...(not my line...saw it somewhere thought it appropriate)

[AKA]

Don't make you a bad person...

It might if the video store you go to doesn't have what you are looking for.

Not that I would know anything about that...oh wait, I might...but yeah, it doesn't make you a bad person, until you allow yourself to be reinvented as a morality standard bearer.

MSNBC has been a mess. Apparently Russert used to run the place and since his death it's become "Lord of the Flies"...(not my line...saw it somewhere thought it appropriate)

Man, that makes sense. At the start of the year, "Morning Joe" was actually a fun watch, but now that MSNBC has been stung with criticism of drinking the Obama Kool-Aid, they often go overboard in the other direction to prove they aren't in the tank. I hope a strong hand comes down soon - the quality of the reporting and tech really have shown them to be flaying badly.

That said, giving Rachael her own show is one of the better ideas.

[epo]

He's obsessed with being an Irish Catholic in 1960.

Although he's been crying a lot more on air this election, than any in the past.

But at least when he's choked up, it spares us the 'This is like Lawerence of Arabia crossing the Punjab desert...but he didn't know where to find water, and he had six camels and twelve walking sticks...' metaphors.

So that's a plus.

Wait until you see tonight. Tweety is going to be a disaster...especially if Obama's white grandma from Hawaii is in the house.

"This is the American story!"

[K.C.]

Wait until you see tonight. Tweety is going to be a disaster...especially if Obama's white grandma from Hawaii is in the house.

"This is the American story!"

I can hear it now.

"Isn't great to see Barack Obama...of a Kenyan father and a mother from Kansas...and there's his white grandmother....she's white...like she's from the neighborhood...where you picked yourself up by your bootstraps...and worked in the factory or the mill...except she has a black grandson...but in the neighborhood...you talked about bills at the table...*sniff*...and went to church, but still knew enough to stand up for your rights....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"

At which point, Olbermann jumps in with six O'Reilly jokes and they throw it back to a befuddled Rachel Maddow.

[epo]

I can hear it now.

"Isn't great to see Barack Obama...of a Kenyan father and a mother from Kansas...and there's his white grandmother....she's white...like she's from the neighborhood...where you picked yourself up by your bootstraps...and worked in the factory or the mill...except she has a black grandson...but in the neighborhood...you talked about bills at the table...*sniff*...and went to church, but still knew enough to stand up for your rights....WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!"

At which point, Olbermann jumps in with six O'Reilly jokes and they throw it back to a befuddled Rachel Maddow.

Almost perfect. Throw in the mentioning of the Peace Corps and Bobby Kennedy and I believe this script is finished.

[brettmojo]

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1828187

[brettmojo]

Wow Al Gore. Nice. The guy I voted for.

[Zorro]

CNN reporting that the Obama campaign gave out about 20,000 more tickets than there are spaces. Would suck spending hours in line with no shot of getting in.

[Friday]

is that michael mcdonald singing?

[GreatAmericanZero]

is that michael mcdonald singing?

i put on coverage earlier and saw Stevie Wonder singing. Stevie wants Obama for president so badly, if Obama loses, they should just lie to Stevie. Make a blind man happy in his old age

[epo]

Check out this doozy I saw on Andrew Sullivan's site (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/) from Joe Biden:

"We will have diverted all that money to address the least likely threat while the real threats come into this country in the hold of a ship, or the belly of a plane, or are smuggled into a city in the middle of the night in a vial in a backpack,"

- Joe Biden, September 10, 2001.

The context was that he (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/flashback-biden-on-91001-warned-the-real-threat-may-come-in-the-belly-of-a-plane/) felt the Bush administration was spending too much on missile defense in a world in which that should not have been our major concern.

Let's just say that Joe is smart.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Check out this doozy I saw on Andrew Sullivan's site (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/) from Joe Biden:


- Joe Biden, September 10, 2001.

The context was that he (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/27/flashback-biden-on-91001-warned-the-real-threat-may-come-in-the-belly-of-a-plane/) felt the Bush administration was spending too much on missile defense in a world in which that should not have been our major concern.

Let's just say that Joe is smart.

I m starting to like that kid, Joe Biden. Why can't i vote for him for president?

[epo]

I m starting to like that kid, Joe Biden. Why can't i vote for him for president?

Look into the smile.......

http://s.wsj.net/media/biden_smile_H_20080827003450.jpg

Pull the lever. That's what he wants you to do..............

[GreatAmericanZero]

Look into the smile.......

http://s.wsj.net/media/biden_smile_H_20080827003450.jpg

Pull the lever. That's what he wants you to do..............

my vote goes to NY anyway...and if the Dems don't win NY then its over for them regardless. It would be cool if my vote counted for Ohio. I'd feel special. Im hoping some of the candidates come down to Cincinnati, i'd watch them speak

[TooLowBrow]

I m starting to like that kid, Joe Biden. Why can't i vote for him for president?

biden is peter to obamas jesus, so we will build our church on bidens back

[Friday]

dancin now.... wheeeeeeeeeee

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[K.C.]

This convention's like Soul Train!

Stevie Wonder?? Fuckin' A!

[epo]

Buckle yourself in, this is gonna be a looooooong speech.

[Misteriosa]

*fluffs up pillow and settles in*

[Friday]

Buckle yourself in, this is gonna be a looooooong speech.

*fluffs up pillow and settles in*

*pours a yummy port and turns on the surround sound*

[K.C.]

I've got to give the DNC credit...just the way this was choreographed was kick ass.

I have no clue how McCain and the RNC can match this on style points.

Moving it to Mile Hile was a fantastic idea.

[Misteriosa]

*pours a yummy port and turns on the surround sound*

yesss! [/marv albert]

[K.C.]

....aaaaaaaaaaaannnndddd....Chris Matthews is flooding the streets of Denver with his tears....right...about...NOW!

[Misteriosa]

i feel like if i ever met chris matthews in person, i would need a rain slicker, rain boots, and an umbrella just to talk to him

[NickyL0885]

Im loving that McCain is struggling to get 10,000 people at his convention. They said they are even giving away tickets for free!

[Freakshow]

I m starting to like that kid, Joe Biden. Why can't i vote for him for president?

well he is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy...

[brettmojo]

I can't wait.

[Tenbatsuzen]

thank you

thank you

thank you

[brettmojo]

I think it would have been funny if they decorated the stage like Tim Meadow's Ladies Man set on SNL.

[Friday]

I wonder what a head shot looks like in HD

here ya go:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t250/Haskellitoberg/headshotc2-1.jpg


and oh.

nice edit. :bye:

[Misteriosa]

yeah... ispy always keeps the original posts...

its always great for catching the edits :lol:

[K.C.]

nice edit. :bye:


FACE!
FACE!
FACE!

[K.C.]

Somewhere, Dick Van Patten is rolling over in his grave

[brettmojo]

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/5505/1zx6tttxa3.gif

[Misteriosa]

hahaha i was gonna post that gif :p

[GreatAmericanZero]

in all seriousness, win or lose, I bet after the election Obama will be able to get so much pussy

[Tenbatsuzen]

and I wasn't making a threat, just an observation that he's in an open-air football stadium doing this.

[brettmojo]

hahaha i was gonna post that gif :p
:tongue:

That gif rules.

[brettmojo]

and I wasn't making a threat, just an observation that he's in an open-air football stadium doing this.
I'm willing to bet a horsefly couldn't enter that stadium right now without a secret service agent catching him with a pair of chopsticks.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm willing to bet a horsefly couldn't enter that stadium right now without a secret service agent catching him with a pair of chopsticks.

Ever see Black Sunday?

[brettmojo]

Ever see Black Sunday?
I don't like Spike Lee movies.

[K.C.]

I don't like Spike Lee movies.

Then you may not understand the part of this speech where he says 'We didn't land on Plymouth Rock...Plymouth Rock landed on us!'

[GreatAmericanZero]

This was the oddest campaign ad ive ever seen:

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[brettmojo]

If I see one more triple chin in CNN's coverage I'm gonna' vom.

[IamFogHat]

Has that ever been done in American history? If not, Mccaine is done. Obama's people are brilliant.

[badorties]

he said "my sister & me"

all this time, all this work and no one could proof his speech

[GreatAmericanZero]

he said "my sister & me"

all this time, all this work and no one could proof his speech

can you imagine the nerd that wouldn't vote for him because of that

[brettmojo]

Promissssssssssssse...

[IamFogHat]

Is it gay that that King bit brought me to tears?

[GreatAmericanZero]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK

[badorties]

can you imagine the nerd that wouldn't vote for him because of that

proudly, yes ...

[Friday]

Is it gay that that King bit brought me to tears?

nah.

i have been in tears all week.

i was pre-menstrual though...

[K.C.]

Hahahahahaha...I'm dying here listening to Brit Hume try to dance around admitting it was a good speech.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I was listening not watching the TV...

I was totally not expecting the fireworks and when I heard the first volley, I almost shit myself because I thought someone was taking a shot at Barack.

[brettmojo]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK
They do pick the worst freaking music all the time.

[K.C.]

Matthews is crying again.

[Ritalin]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK

Yeah, the country dribble sucks.

(and still, U2 would have been worse)

(that's right, I said it. I'd rather listen to country music than U2)

[Tenbatsuzen]

I'm still trying to figure out what the DNC was thinking playing "The Rising".

"Hey! I've got a great idea, let's play a song about a firefighter dying in the WTC!!"

[sailor]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK

a song about the assassination of a charismatic black leader? really?

[brettmojo]

I'm out there with the blacks rioting if this guy isn't the next president.

[GreatAmericanZero]

yeah no matter who you are voting for you gotta admit....that nigga can SPEAK

[brettmojo]

I love how Fox News loves grabbing blacks and throwing them on air to blast Obama.

[Tenbatsuzen]

John Stewart's on fire.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I love how Fox News loves grabbing blacks and throwing them on air to blast Obama.

You know who else likes to grab blacks and throw them, right?

[K.C.]

I love how Fox News loves grabbing blacks and throwing them on air to blast Obama.

Hahahahaha...they're all panning Obama's speech, except for Bill F'n Kristol of all people.

FOX is fucking ridiculous.

[brettmojo]

You know who else likes to grab blacks and throw them, right?
Wu Tang?

[Friday]

I'm out there with the blacks rioting if this guy isn't the next president.

me too.
lets fuck some shit up!

wheeeeeeeee

[Tenbatsuzen]

Hahahahaha...they're all panning Obama's speech, except for Bill F'n Kristol of all people.

FOX is fucking ridiculous.

Hannity was being a gigantic ass all through the DNC, and I like Hannity.

WHY THE FUCK ARE THE PLAYING BORN IN THE USA?!?!?!?!?!

Jesus.

[brettmojo]

Holy Shit this guy's head on Fox News might just explode trying to downplay the speech! :lol:

[epo]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK

Brooks and Dunn - "Only in America".

Nice move actually.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Obama stops an assassination attempt on himself:

http://www.homevideos.com/freezeframes10/blazingsad74.jpeg

[K.C.]

Hannity was being a gigantic ass all through the DNC, and I like Hannity.

WHY THE FUCK ARE THE PLAYING BORN IN THE USA?!?!?!?!?!

Jesus.

Oh, I can't wait for Hannity...I'm giddy with excitement at how he'll manage to spin this into the worst atrocity ever foisted on mankind.

I think he's up at midnight.

[Tenbatsuzen]

The president is a

CLANG


"What?"

[K.C.]

In the interest of fairness, though, I should also point out that Obama could get anyone on the MSNBC set to blow him right in the middle of the convention floor right now.

...and Rachel's a lesbian.

[Bay Ridge Tim]

I gotta say, I loved the speech. Especially this part:

Don't you realize? The next time you see sky, it'll be over another town. The next time you take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the best of stuff for us. But right now, they got to do what's right for them. Because it's their time. Their time! Up there! Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the second we ride up Troy's bucket.

[epo]

Oh, I can't wait for Hannity...I'm giddy with excitement at how he'll manage to spin this into the worst atrocity ever foisted on mankind.

I think he's up at midnight.

Analysis from the douchey Charles Krauthammer next!

[brettmojo]

Barack worked at a Baskin Robbins?

Holy shit he's done it all!

[K.C.]

I gotta say, I loved the speech. Especially this part:

Don't you realize? The next time you see sky, it'll be over another town. The next time you take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the best of stuff for us. But right now, they got to do what's right for them. Because it's their time. Their time! Up there! Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the second we ride up Troy's bucket.

:lol:

[TooLowBrow]

Barack worked at a Baskin Robbins?

Holy shit he's done it all!

that boy got ALL 31 flavors!

[Friday]

Brooks and Dunn - "Only in America".

Nice move actually.

well, yeah. considering his platform and the appeal to middle america that he must focus on.
and where they are.... etc etc.... it was a great choice.

[epo]

I gotta say, I loved the speech. Especially this part:

Don't you realize? The next time you see sky, it'll be over another town. The next time you take a test, it'll be in some other school. Our parents, they want the best of stuff for us. But right now, they got to do what's right for them. Because it's their time. Their time! Up there! Down here, it's our time. It's our time down here. That's all over the second we ride up Troy's bucket.

http://home.blarg.net/~dr_z/Movie/Posters/Reproductions/GooniesCave_Rep.jpg

[K.C.]

Analysis from the douchey Charles Krauthammer next!

They'll have all the Fox All-Stars out tonight.

This is a red alert...send in Dick Morris, Tony Perkins, Ralph Reed, Laura Ingrahm...maybe even a guest Ann Coulter appearence.

They have to squash this quick.

[epo]

well, yeah. considering his platform and the appeal to middle america that he must focus on.
and where they are.... etc etc.... it was a great choice.

I would say "working class whites" across the nation. If he can crack that nut, it will be over quickly.

[epo]

They'll have all the Fox All-Stars out tonight.

This is a red alert...send in Dick Morris, Tony Perkins, Ralph Reed, Laura Ingrahm...maybe even a guest Ann Coulter appearence.

They have to squash this quick.

Somebody wake up the beast......

http://impiousdigest.com/Michelle_Malkin2.gif

So Michelle Malkin, what are your thoughts?

[K.C.]

Somebody wake up the beast......

http://impiousdigest.com/Michelle_Malkin2.gif

So Michelle Malkin, what are your thoughts?



Oh, come on...you have to love an Asian who wants all Asians thrown in prison camps.

[tele7]

Somebody wake up the beast......

http://impiousdigest.com/Michelle_Malkin2.gif

So Michelle Malkin, what are your thoughts?

impure

[K.C.]

YAY!

They're sowing Karl Rove's bloated body into his suit as we speak! He's up after commercial.

Now we'll get the real story.

[epo]

YAY!

They're sowing Karl Rove's bloated body into his suit as we speak! He's up after commercial.

Now we'll get the real story.

Maybe he'll talk about Obama "trying" to get the change rhetoric back and throw out the 1988 talking point of "liberal"!

[TheMojoPin]

http://home.blarg.net/~dr_z/Movie/Posters/Reproductions/GooniesCave_Rep.jpg

Thanks, Explain-the-Joke-Guy.

[tele7]

Fox news word of the day is "spectacle".

[epo]

Did Karl Rove deem it necessary to list every wedge issue possible, hoping that one would stick?

[Kevin]

Thanks, Explain-the-Joke-Guy.

Because he explained the joke.

[angrymissy]

he said "my sister & me"

all this time, all this work and no one could proof his speech

I heard that and I think Clinton made the same error. It drives me nuts to hear it. EVERY time I said "my sister and me" my Grandma would go "NO - MY SISTER AND I". It was engrained into my skull.

[Kevin]

Would Fox just commit mass suicides if Obama wins?

God, i hope so.

[HBox]

Because he explained the joke.

So what you are saying is that someone made a humorous remark, and then someone subsequently explained it as if it were a statement and not a joke?

[K.C.]

Did Karl Rove deem it necessary to list every wedge issue possible, hoping that one would stick?

He had nothing.

In fact none of these guys have anything.

I'm disappointed. I expect some hilarity.

I thought they'd put up a better fight, but I think they know they can't counter that speech.

They'll just say 80s liberal six hundred more times and hope people forget tonight.

[TooLowBrow]

So what you are saying is that someone made a humorous remark, and then someone subsequently explained it as if it were a statement and not a joke?

haha

[Kevin]

So what you are saying is that someone made a humorous remark, and then someone subsequently explained it as if it were a statement and not a joke?

Then a guy brought up that a guy brought that a guy brought up how a guy had to explain a joke that another guy made.

[IMSlacker]

<--- "Has never seen The Goonies guy" who didn't get the joke until it was explained.

[brettmojo]

I got a Fox News Alert Greta...

No one gives a shit about McCain's VP.

[Kevin]

<--- "Has never seen The Goonies guy" who didn't get the joke until it was explained.

Cub fans are just not serious about Goonies

[epo]

I got a Fox News Alert Greta...

No one gives a shit about McCain's VP.

Tomorrow is horrible timing for that announcement.

[HBox]

Then a guy brought up that a guy brought that a guy brought up how a guy had to explain a joke that another guy made.

It is commendable that we can make an accurate record of events.

[Recyclerz]

http://johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/barack-obama.jpg

Follow smoke, Republicans.

[tele7]

razzle dazzle

[Ritalin]

Right now on WABC Laura Ingram (or however you spell it) is talking about how the Republicans are looking into postponing next week's convention because a hurricane may hit the Gulf Coast hard at the same time.

But why? Republicans shine in severe weather.

[epo]

Right now on WABC Laura Ingram (or however you spell it) is talking about how the Republicans are looking into postponing next week's convention because a hurricane may hit the Gulf Coast hard at the same time.

But why? Republicans shine in severe weather.

That hurricane should hit the Twin Cities on Sunday?

[Recyclerz]

Would Fox just commit mass suicides if Obama wins?

God, i hope so.

I kinda the Right Wing chorus actually secretly wants Obama to win.

It would make their jobs a lot easier to take pot shots at the Democrats making tough decisions rather than denying/defending the trainwreck that this regime has wrought.

[brettmojo]

Right now on WABC Laura Ingram (or however you spell it) is talking about how the Republicans are looking into postponing next week's convention because a hurricane may hit the Gulf Coast hard at the same time.
And that hurricane is named OBAMA!!!

That's just funny.

[Ritalin]

http://johnstodderinexile.files.wordpress.com/2006/06/barack-obama.jpg

Follow smoke, Republicans.

http://www.popandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/5115/1171/1600/the-warriors-20050922044312369.jpg

CAN.....YOU......DIG........IT?!

[brettmojo]

http://www.popandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/5115/1171/1600/the-warriors-20050922044312369.jpg

CAN.....YOU......DIG........IT?!
http://www.mediacircus.net/deepimpact_____2.jpg

[K.C.]

Right now on WABC Laura Ingram (or however you spell it) is talking about how the Republicans are looking into postponing next week's convention because a hurricane may hit the Gulf Coast hard at the same time.

But why? Republicans shine in severe weather.

It's really a no win for McCain.

If he postpones it, he looks like a douche for postponing because the he isn't getting the press coverage he likes.

If he doesn't and the hurricane hits, the Dems will savage the Republicans for holding a 'party' in the midst of national disaster.

[Kevin]

http://www.popandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/5115/1171/1600/the-warriors-20050922044312369.jpg

CAN.....YOU......DIG........IT?!

Are you saying Obama will be shot by Romney and blamed on Biden?

[Recyclerz]

http://www.popandpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/blogger/blogger/5115/1171/1600/the-warriors-20050922044312369.jpg

CAN.....YOU......DIG........IT?!

http://www.fis4fish.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/03/02/yes_we_can.jpg

[Ritalin]

Are you saying Obama will be shot by Romney and blamed on Biden?

http://msnbcmedia4.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/070130_070205/070201_JoeBiden_vl.widec.jpg

WARRIORS! COME OUT TO PLAY-YAY!

[brettmojo]

I'm waiting for Olberman to just say,"Senator Obama... Put the biscuit in the basket."

[Friday]

I would say "working class whites" across the nation. If he can crack that nut, it will be over quickly.

haha.... i was trying to be PC. :wink:

and i had no idea it would be this HILARIOUS to watch Fox news cover this.

[KnoxHarrington]

I kinda the Right Wing chorus actually secretly wants Obama to win.

It would make their jobs a lot easier to take pot shots at the Democrats making tough decisions rather than denying/defending the trainwreck that this regime has wrought.

That bunch is incapable of any sort of constructive analysis. It's all venom and vitriol. So, yeah, an Obama win would be good for them.

[K.C.]

haha.... i was trying to be PC. :wink:

and i had no idea it would be this HILARIOUS to watch Fox news cover this.

It's like watching 36 or so heads explode simultaneously.

I hope Hannity's coming up before I pass out. That'll be the main event.

[scottinnj]

Yeah, the country dribble sucks.

(and still, U2 would have been worse)

(that's right, I said it. I'd rather listen to country music than U2)

commie heathen, that's what you are.

[scottinnj]

Hahahahaha...they're all panning Obama's speech, except for Bill F'n Kristol of all people.

FOX is fucking ridiculous.

In the interest of fairness, though, I should also point out that Obama could get anyone on the MSNBC set to blow him right in the middle of the convention floor right now.

...and Rachel's a lesbian.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the bias between the two networks.

It's kind of an accidental "fair and balanced" mix though...you get the Obama fanboyz on MSNBC kissing Barack's ass and the haterz on Fox hoping for a fireworks "accident"

What sucks is neither side wants to admit the truth that they are the two most biased news networks during this election.

[scottinnj]

I kinda the Right Wing chorus actually secretly wants Obama to win.

It would make their jobs a lot easier to take pot shots at the Democrats making tough decisions rather than denying/defending the trainwreck that this regime has wrought.

Sort of like how AA is right now? Say it ain't so!

[PatFromMoonachie]

Where have I seen this speech before ..hmmm? :innocent: ...

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..WWADS? (What Would Anni Defranco Say?:tongue:)

[Dudeman]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees the bias between the two networks.

It's kind of an accidental "fair and balanced" mix though...you get the Obama fanboyz on MSNBC kissing Barack's ass and the haterz on Fox hoping for a fireworks "accident"

What sucks is neither side wants to admit the truth that they are the two most biased news networks during this election.

the problem is that those on the left dont look to msnbc for news, but more people on the right (many, not all), generally for the past decade, have looked to foxnews. maybe the better comparison would be foxnews and the nytimes.

[JerseySean]

the problem is that those on the left dont look to msnbc for news, but more people on the right (many, not all), generally for the past decade, have looked to foxnews. maybe the better comparison would be foxnews and the nytimes.

Yea it is really weird. I am a Republican and I used to watch MSNBC and it is still my go-to but its getting ridiculous about how Olberman and Matthews want to softly kiss Obama's taint daily. They used to have a good team of analysts. Fox is always unbearable.

as an FYI

Pew has conducted a new survey of the political leanings of cable news viewers:

CNN: 51% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 23% independents

MSNBC: 45% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 27% independents

Fox News: 33% Democrats, 39% Republicans, 22% independents

[Phil_Nubbs]

But he's black!!

[foodcourtdruide]

Yea it is really weird. I am a Republican and I used to watch MSNBC and it is still my go-to but its getting ridiculous about how Olberman and Matthews want to softly kiss Obama's taint daily. They used to have a good team of analysts. Fox is always unbearable.

as an FYI

Pew has conducted a new survey of the political leanings of cable news viewers:

CNN: 51% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 23% independents

MSNBC: 45% Democrats, 18% Republicans, 27% independents

Fox News: 33% Democrats, 39% Republicans, 22% independents

I'm really hoping CNN, MSNBC and FoxNews stop pretending to be news outlets soon. They're entertainment networks. It's like calling WWE real sports. Chris Matthews hears a significant speech from the 2008 Democratic nominee for president and instead of analyzing it and reporting it as news he starts gushing about how inspired he is. How can he call himself a journalist? How can any of them consider themselves journalists? How is the concept of "talking heads" and "pundits" news?

[JerseySean]

I'm really hoping CNN, MSNBC and FoxNews stop pretending to be news outlets soon. They're entertainment networks. It's like calling WWE real sports. Chris Matthews hears a significant speech from the 2008 Democratic nominee for president and instead of analyzing it and reporting it as news he starts gushing about how inspired he is. How can he call himself a journalist? How can any of them consider themselves journalists? How is the concept of "talking heads" and "pundits" news?

Olberman:I'd love to find something to critisize, but I cant, can you Chris?

Matthews: No, I'm so inspired

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? This speech was mediocre at best. It doesnt compare to his Iowa speech, it was light on policy, nothing close to Clinton 92, Reagan 80, Nixon 68, or Kennedy 60. It was on par with Bush 04. Olberman and Matthews couldnt stop gushing and Olberman cited 29 instances where there were specific policy positions. There were 0. he did not give a plan. Ridiculous, off to CNN for me.

[Phil_Nubbs]

Olberman:I'd love to find something to critisize, but I cant, can you Chris?

Matthews: No, I'm so inspired

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? This speech was mediocre at best. It doesnt compare to his Iowa speech, it was light on policy, nothing close to Clinton 92, Reagan 80, Nixon 68, or Kennedy 60. It was on par with Bush 04. Olberman and Matthews couldnt stop gushing and Olberman cited 29 instances where there were specific policy positions. There were 0. he did not give a plan. Ridiculous, off to CNN for me.

But he's BLACK!!

[JerseySean]

Tomorrow is horrible timing for that announcement.

Tomorrow is the perfect time for that. It takes the attention away from Obama's speech. Do you think McCain should let Obama's clips run unfettered all weekend? No. Frankly, if McCain wasnt such a gentleman, he would have let it leak tonight or would have announced it today. It is the best timing for that announcement.

[AKA]

I kinda the Right Wing chorus actually secretly wants Obama to win.

It would make their jobs a lot easier to take pot shots at the Democrats making tough decisions rather than denying/defending the trainwreck that this regime has wrought.

I bet we'll see more of that kind of sentiment made, especially with regards to something like Fox News ("Because it makes their jobs easier"), but in all honesty they did a pretty good job the last eight years - my favorite point still being when they continued to blame the Democrats for everything, even though the GOP controlled the white house, both houses of congress and the supreme court.

I remember hearing something like that when the Dems lost in 2000 and 2004 and I never buy it - these are people who like power. I think there can be times when individuals, like Bush Sr. in 1992 and Dole in 1996, who don't really have it in their gut.

Tomorrow is the perfect time for that. It takes the attention away from Obama's speech. Do you think McCain should let Obama's clips run unfettered all weekend? No. Frankly, if McCain wasnt such a gentleman, he would have let it leak tonight or would have announced it today. It is the best timing for that announcement

HA!

I just heard this from the Republicans on MSNBC (Pat Buchanan and Morning Joe) that the luckiest son of a bitch in the world today is the one McCain passed over for the VP job.

His announcement to a "crowd" of 10,000 people, most of whom he's having to bus in, is going to look small and weak compared to what the world watched last night. Neither of the big name Veep choices really get people as jazzed as the Biden pick did last week; last night's shadow, as well as this past week, will continue to hang over McCain and the news cycle all weekend, and will be the top story on all of the Sunday morning shows this weekend.

The good news for McCain is that his convention gets to go second - he may not want to follow something like last night, but he sure as hell doesn't want that to be the last word.

[A.J.]

Great speech but...

"Where's the beef?"

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1984/1101840618_400.jpg

How's he going to pay for all of these wonderful things?

[epo]

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? This speech was mediocre at best. It doesnt compare to his Iowa speech, it was light on policy, nothing close to Clinton 92, Reagan 80, Nixon 68, or Kennedy 60. It was on par with Bush 04. Olberman and Matthews couldnt stop gushing and Olberman cited 29 instances where there were specific policy positions. There were 0. he did not give a plan. Ridiculous, off to CNN for me.

And Pat Buchanan called it the best convention speech he's ever seen.

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I think that might be a bit much, but if you think it was mediocre then you don't understand the art of public speaking.

[epo]

Tomorrow is the perfect time for that. It takes the attention away from Obama's speech. Do you think McCain should let Obama's clips run unfettered all weekend? No. Frankly, if McCain wasnt such a gentleman, he would have let it leak tonight or would have announced it today. It is the best timing for that announcement.

It would be if....

Seriously the calendar and events fucked the Republicans pretty hard on this one. Obama played out the Olympics and avoided making an announcement until after the Olympics closed. McCain wanted to wait until after Obama made his pick. Both of those things are logical.

So the Dems ride the convention, which they deliver damned near perfectly and will own the media discussion this weekend in light of that speech, on the anniversary of "I have a dream".

McCain absolutely HAS to announce Pawlenty today or tomorrow and the hurricane may hit either day. Pawlenty isn't sexy or exciting as a pick, so the announcement at best will hold a third to half of the media attention.

[GreatAmericanZero]

yeah, when you see Hillary, John Kerry and Al Gore speak, Obama is clearly far and away the better speaker out of those folks. From all the other "public speakers" at the conventions, I think anyone can tell that Obama excels at that skill

[foodcourtdruide]

Olberman:I'd love to find something to critisize, but I cant, can you Chris?

Matthews: No, I'm so inspired

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? This speech was mediocre at best. It doesnt compare to his Iowa speech, it was light on policy, nothing close to Clinton 92, Reagan 80, Nixon 68, or Kennedy 60. It was on par with Bush 04. Olberman and Matthews couldnt stop gushing and Olberman cited 29 instances where there were specific policy positions. There were 0. he did not give a plan. Ridiculous, off to CNN for me.

I actually thought it was a very good speech. I wasn't expecting Obama to pull out the chalkboard and detail his plans. I thought he made it clear that he was going to cut tax breaks to the wealthy and pass them along to the middle class and as always, his speaking skills were incredible. I wouldn't say it was Reagan 80 level, but Clinton 92 level? Maybe. That being said, Olbermann and Matthews were really annoying.

[Ritalin]

I just heard this from the Republicans on MSNBC (Pat Buchanan and Morning Joe) that the luckiest son of a bitch in the world today is the one McCain passed over for the VP job.

His announcement to a "crowd" of 10,000 people, most of whom he's having to bus in, is going to look small and weak compared to what the world watched last night. Neither of the big name Veep choices really get people as jazzed as the Biden pick did last week; last night's shadow, as well as this past week, will continue to hang over McCain and the news cycle all weekend, and will be the top story on all of the Sunday morning shows this weekend.

The good news for McCain is that his convention gets to go second - he may not want to follow something like last night, but he sure as hell doesn't want that to be the last word.

That's because there aren't 10,000 people in Dayton who can read.

Don't bother fighting it. I've been there. I know.

[AKA]

That's because there aren't 10,000 people in Dayton who can read.

Don't bother fighting it. I've been there. I know.

I can bother fighting it if I want to, because I've also been there - quite often, actually.

http://www.destination360.com/north-america/us/ohio/images/s/dayton.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

But why? Republicans shine in severe weather.

You know what? It's easy to take potshots at Bush, but I am so sick and tired of people using Katrina to destroy Bush.

What happened with Hurricane Katrina was 40 percent Nagin's fault, 40 percent Blanco's fault, and 20 percent Bush's. It was a failure on ALL LEVELS of Government, but the majority of the blame falls on Nagin and Blanco.

[Tenbatsuzen]

This is the first time I've ever seen Joe Scarborough. He looks like Conan O'Brien with Down Syndrome.

[epo]

This is the first time I've ever seen Joe Scarborough. He looks like Conan O'Brien with Down Syndrome.

Joe Scarborough is a weird guy. There are times that he decides to play right wing political pundit, and there are times that he shoots from the hip.

When he's a "pundit" he's just another head. When he's shooting from the hip he can be outstanding. Normally on election nights he puts on the "straight shooter" hat and delivers some of the best analysis in the business.

[Zorro]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/08292008/gossip/pagesix/secret_service_due_for_keith__126549.htm

MSNBC's increasingly paranoid Keith Olbermann is threatening to quit unless his bosses beef up his security, sources say.

Olbermann - upset to be anchoring at the Democratic National Convention from an outdoor set near Denver's train station - "announced that his bosses [had] better find a more secure location for him to broadcast from at the Republican National Convention [in St. Paul, Minn.] or he's not going," one insider said. "He thinks someone will assassinate him." MSNBC had no comment.



I realize its Page Six, but it does seem to fit with the notion that Keith is suffering from paranoid delusions...

Seriously I used to love Countdown...actually so much that if you search you'll see a post I made complaining when MSNBC was taken off XM. Now it's unwatchable.

I watched all three cable outlets after the speech last night. CNN & Fox were both free with praise for Obama, but it was analysis...Keith and Chris on the other hand were just smitten and remided me of two girls fawning over the dreamy captain of the football team.

...and as a complete aside...O'Reilly is awful...haven't seen him in forever until last night...just a despciable human being.

[A.J.]

Republicans shine in severe weather.

You know what? It's easy to take potshots at Bush, but I am so sick and tired of people using Katrina to destroy Bush.

What happened with Hurricane Katrina was 40 percent Nagin's fault, 40 percent Blanco's fault, and 20 percent Bush's. It was a failure on ALL LEVELS of Government, but the majority of the blame falls on Nagin and Blanco.

And he did much better with the Cedar Rapids, Iowa floods earlier this year (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iowa_flood_of_2008).

[foodcourtdruide]

You know what? It's easy to take potshots at Bush, but I am so sick and tired of people using Katrina to destroy Bush.

What happened with Hurricane Katrina was 40 percent Nagin's fault, 40 percent Blanco's fault, and 20 percent Bush's. It was a failure on ALL LEVELS of Government, but the majority of the blame falls on Nagin and Blanco.

I think there were checks and balances there to prevent what happened with Katrina. Bush putting FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security and appointing an unqualified person to head it disrupted that. I agree that full blame doesn't fall on Bush, but he's more than 1/5th responsible.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I think there were checks and balances there to prevent what happened with Katrina. Bush putting FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security and appointing an unqualified person to head it disrupted that. I agree that full blame doesn't fall on Bush, but he's more than 1/5th responsible.

FEMA's main job is to coordinate with the local levels of government. When you have a moron running FEMA dealing with a moron running the state and a bigger moron running the city, what did you think was going to happen?

[foodcourtdruide]

FEMA's main job is to coordinate with the local levels of government. When you have a moron running FEMA dealing with a moron running the state and a bigger moron running the city, what did you think was going to happen?

Exactly, but I think the failure of FEMA falls squarely on the shoulders of Bush (the Bush Administration). I don't blame Bush 100%, but I think knocking him for the response is justified.

[angrymissy]

The problem with Katrina was, and this was just my public perception, you saw everything going down on TV, people dying in hospitals, all the to-do about what was going on in the Superdome, people screaming for help on TV, people stuck on top of houses, criminals taking over, etc. etc. and I know I was screaming at the television after the 2nd day.... just going "WTF??!!" I was shocked that in our country, people would be languishing like that for days.

How many days was it before the Federal Govt stepped in? I understand the duty first falls to the State and Local govt... but when that obviously fails, I would have we have backup coming in from the Feds.

The second that anarchy started getting broadcast on television for the world to see, we should have had backup in there, immediately.

And stuff like this didn't help (enjoying birthday cake while a gigantic natural disaster is going down):
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/images/content/bushMcCainKatrina.jpg

[Freakshow]

I think there were checks and balances there to prevent what happened with Katrina. Bush putting FEMA in the Department of Homeland Security and appointing an unqualified person to head it disrupted that. I agree that full blame doesn't fall on Bush, but he's more than 1/5th responsible.

And FEMA is almost always headed by a unqualified person. Joe Albaugh was the head of FEMA for 9/11 and there wasn't much talk about him being unqualified, because he certainly was. The only head with emergency managament experience was Clinton's guy.

edit: man this is a real tangent...

[angrymissy]

And FEMA is almost always headed by a unqualified person. Joe Albaugh was the head of FEMA for 9/11 and there wasn't much talk about him being a unqualified, because he certainly was. The only head with emergency managament experience was Clinton's guy.

edit: man this is a real tangent...

I bet I could do a better job running FEMA. I'll just scream and order everyone around.

[A.J.]

I bet I could do a better job running FEMA. I'll just scream and order everyone around.

You'd give the suffering rotten milk.

[Freakshow]

I bet I could do a better job running FEMA. I'll just scream and order everyone around.

FEMA is a goverment agency staffed by career goverment employees. You wouldn't be able to get them to do shit. :)

[angrymissy]

I'll just poke them in the ribs, repeatedly, REALLY hard. That gets Jeff moving off the couch pretty fast. I will go down in history as the best head of FEMA ever.

[epo]

And FEMA is almost always headed by a unqualified person. Joe Albaugh was the head of FEMA for 9/11 and there wasn't much talk about him being unqualified, because he certainly was. The only head with emergency managament experience was Clinton's guy.

edit: man this is a real tangent...

James Lee Witt was great as the head of FEMA.

[Zorro]

The problem with Katrina was, and this was just my public perception, you saw everything going down on TV, people dying in hospitals, all the to-do about what was going on in the Superdome, people screaming for help on TV, people stuck on top of houses, criminals taking over, etc. etc. and I know I was screaming at the television after the 2nd day.... just going "WTF??!!" I was shocked that in our country, people would be languishing like that for days.

How many days was it before the Federal Govt stepped in? I understand the duty first falls to the State and Local govt... but when that obviously fails, I would have we have backup coming in from the Feds.

The second that anarchy started getting broadcast on television for the world to see, we should have had backup in there, immediately.

And stuff like this didn't help (enjoying birthday cake while a gigantic natural disaster is going down):
http://www.democrats.org/page/-/images/content/bushMcCainKatrina.jpg


The problem was that pre-Katrina there was no model for the Feds to follow. It had always been up to the Sate with the Feds acting as a back up. So, when the state failed the Feds were left standing with their thumbs up their proverbial asses. A good leader could have improvised a plan...but of course leadership was vacant.

In a post-katrina world we hope things will be different. ...oh yeah...make sure you buy flood insurance...its cheap and effective...

[Dirtybird12]

whats this gay country horseshit they are playing? They shouldve played that U2 song about MLK

perhaps a jab at bush?

Brooks & Dunn's "Only In America" was also used by George W. Bush's campaigns in 2004

[A.J.]

I think it bears repeating that the "house band" at the convention the other night sucked ass. That was awful when they played "Pink Houses" and just repeated only the line "Ain't that America" over and over again.

And I suspect that it won't be any better at the GOP convention.

[Dirtybird12]

oh yeah...make sure you buy flood insurance...its cheap and effective...

I worked in a call center for FEMA following Katrina. A lot of people were telling me they were denied or not allowed to purchase flood insurance.

[Freakshow]

I worked in a call center for FEMA following Katrina. A lot of people were telling me they were denied or not allowed to purchase flood insurance.

The funny thing is when you put someone in the floodplain they try like hell to get out of it. Nobody wants to pay flood insurance, and it's NOT included with your home insurance.