President-Elect Obama Thread

[yojimbo7248]

Now that I've totally put the thread in racist territory, go over to the Hot Chicks forum, rub one out to what I've posted and return ready to debate.



yes, nice pictures.....

....where were we in the Obama debate? something about Christians, whether Bush is dumb, ...I think I'm going back to the pictures.

[scottinnj]

Well you are wrong; but I also see that anything outside your realm of understanding causes you to slander and demean.

I've made the most coherant arguments on here today, and that bugs you because I'm not toeing your Party line.

Bottom line is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and therefore you insult me.

You owe me an apology; but I won't stick around to hear it because frankly I don't give a damn who you think I am.

It's been kinda fun chatting with you folks for the most part; but alas I'm both bored and disgusted with the lies, slander, and ignorance exhibited herein.

You will feel safer now that a strong voice has vacated your presence; but you will still be stupid until you open your mind to more than partisan crapola.


Don't go dude, that's just how it is here. It's NOT PERSONAL. Pretend we're all sitting in a bar talking this shit, and that's how the riff goes. You've actually been doing a good job so far. Stick with us kid, you're going places.

[thejives]

Don't go dude, that's just how it is here. It's NOT PERSONAL. Pretend we're all sitting in a bar talking this shit, and that's how the riff goes. You've actually been doing a good job so far. Stick with us kid, you're going places.

Now showerbench will start posting again, saying:
"anything happen while I was gone"

[brettmojo]

Well you are wrong; but I also see that anything outside your realm of understanding causes you to slander and demean.

I've made the most coherant arguments on here today, and that bugs you because I'm not toeing your Party line.

Bottom line is you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and therefore you insult me.

You owe me an apology; but I won't stick around to hear it because frankly I don't give a damn who you think I am.

It's been kinda fun chatting with you folks for the most part; but alas I'm both bored and disgusted with the lies, slander, and ignorance exhibited herein.

You will feel safer now that a strong voice has vacated your presence; but you will still be stupid until you open your mind to more than partisan crapola.
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[HBox]

Don't go dude, that's just how it is here. It's NOT PERSONAL. Pretend we're all sitting in a bar talking this shit, and that's how the riff goes. You've actually been doing a good job so far. Stick with us kid, you're going places.

Don't worry. He'll come back under a new name, and perhaps this time he will remember to completely hide that massive ego.

[angrymissy]

This place is the most civil board I've ever seen this shit discussed on.

[scottinnj]

Don't worry. He'll come back under a new name, and perhaps this time he will remember to completely hide that massive ego.

Does this mean I have to go back to being the meanie conservative? I like you guys too much for that.

[JerseySean]

This place is the most civil board I've ever seen this shit discussed on.

Yea I just lost a lot of respect for that guy.

[scottinnj]

This place is the most civil board I've ever seen this shit discussed on.

No shit. Most other places, 5 posts in someone is wishing cancer on you, then 10 posts in, check the locks on your doors and test your brakes before you pull out of the driveway in the morning.

Some scary fuckos out there.

[thejives]

I like you guys too much for that.

so gay

[scottinnj]

so gay

At least I don't waste HD bandwidth on PBS.

[thejives]

At least I don't waste HD bandwidth on PBS.

Yeah... now that's gay.

::turning slowly to GAZ::

[TheMojoPin]

Now I'm sure you are Showerbench.

Even if he's not, I just don't understand the repeated gimmick. I keep seeing it on different political sites and blogs...people bullshit and pretend like they're a Democrat or "started out as an Obama supporter" and it slowly becomes clear they're neither. Why the ruse? Just explain why you don't like or disagree with the guy.

[thejives]

Even if he's not, I just don't understand the repeated gimmick. I keep seeing it on different political sites and blogs...people bullshit and pretend like they're a Democrat or "started out as an Obama supporter" and it slowly becomes clear they're neither. Why the ruse? Just explain why you don't like or disagree with the guy.

He/she even went so far as to make an Obama sig.

Diabolical.

[Ritalin]

Does this mean I have to go back to being the meanie conservative? I like you guys too much for that.

I remember meanie conservative scottinnj. I don't think you could go back.

I don't think you have it in you.

[scottinnj]

I remember meanie conservative scottinnj. I don't think you could go back.

I don't think you have it in you.

Yeah, but moderate, thoughtful, tolerant scottinnj is sooooo gay. I'm compensating with Baconators from Wendys, and lots of beer.

[thejives]

Yeah, but moderate, thoughtful, tolerant scottinnj is sooooo gay. I'm compensating with Baconators from Wendys, and lots of beer.

And cock. Don't forget cock.

[scottinnj]

Even if he's not, I just don't understand the repeated gimmick. I keep seeing it on different political sites and blogs...people bullshit and pretend like they're a Democrat or "started out as an Obama supporter" and it slowly becomes clear they're neither. Why the ruse? Just explain why you don't like or disagree with the guy.

The problem I've seen is "how can you go from being a registered conservative Republican, to a registered independant conservative who supports Obama?"

The disbelief is just stunning. Yet I did, and yes I am.

[scottinnj]

And cock. Don't forget cock.

Don't make me start a "Hot Tranny" thread in the Games and Sports forum.

I'll do it. I'll fucking do it!

[epo]

The problem I've seen is "how can you go from being a registered conservative Republican, to a registered independant conservative who supports Obama?"

The disbelief is just stunning. Yet I did, and yes I am.

Scott, this looks to be the difference....you are generally a serious person who just gives his point of view and is honest in your assessments. Hell sometimes you change your point of view, other times you may change the point of view of others.

Binary is like a liberal caller to Rush Limbaugh....we've all heard the set-up: "Hi Rush, I'm a big fan of the show BUT [insert bad liberal talking point here], what do you think Rush?"

It just seems like such a set-up.

[thejives]

Scott, this looks to be the difference....you are generally a serious person who just gives his point of view and is honest in your assessments. Hell sometimes you change your point of view, other times you may change the point of view of others.

Binary is like a liberal caller to Rush Limbaugh....we've all heard the set-up: "Hi Rush, I'm a big fan of the show BUT [insert bad liberal talking point here], what do you think Rush?"

It just seems like such a set-up.

Yeah. Scott actually reads other people's posts and thinks about them.

Some of these plants just post progressively longer, more verbose, less accurate diatribes without actually backing them up with facts, links, insight anything.

Showerbench and binary were/are those people.

[BinaryBimbo]

Dude dont take your ball and go home that is what they do when they lose a debate. They hit ignore.

Sometimes a man needs to ignore ignorance and spite, and concentrate on listening to the former Dem Veep candidate trash his old closed minded Party hacks.

I don't know who it is these terds are comparing me to, and yet I am bright enough to realize it is meant to demean, and slander me.

What they can't handle is logical parsing of the slogans they live under, and the reality of the situation at hand.

I understand that, and although I don't think much of their intelect, it's obvious they are doing what they need to do to alieve their own internal fear and loathing.

Me - I declared victory over ignorance, and then I got high, and I laughed, and I laffed, and I lafed even.

[angrymissy]

I understand that, and although I don't think much of their intelect, it's obvious they are doing what they need to do to alieve their own internal fear and loathing.


Attacking the intellect of a poster while misspelling the word intellect = hilariousness.

[BinaryBimbo]

Scott, this looks to be the difference....you are generally a serious person who just gives his point of view and is honest in your assessments. Hell sometimes you change your point of view, other times you may change the point of view of others.

Binary is like a liberal caller to Rush Limbaugh....we've all heard the set-up: "Hi Rush, I'm a big fan of the show BUT [insert bad liberal talking point here], what do you think Rush?"

It just seems like such a set-up.

Epo - I just speak what I believe to be the truth - You are upset at me because in your world dissention and logic are not welcome lest they erode your bubble of comfort. You think this election will go Obamas way in spite of the numerous mistakes your "afraid to succeed" Party commits. I merely point out what I see as truth in hopes of educating the bitter, blind mice that make up the bulk of your friends arguments.

I write something that doesn't fit in your box, and your response is to slander and demean me. You're the winner.

[BinaryBimbo]

Attacking the intellect of a poster while misspelling the word intellect = hilariousness.

Maybe I am not the worlds best speller; but I have enough sense to find a PP witrhout crying to a teacher that it's too hard to do on my own.

You are a strong individual, and a great speller. Revel in it.

[HBox]

Sometimes a man needs to ignore ignorance and spite, and concentrate on listening to the former Dem Veep candidate trash his old closed minded Party hacks.

I don't know who it is these terds are comparing me to, and yet I am bright enough to realize it is meant to demean, and slander me.

What they can't handle is logical parsing of the slogans they live under, and the reality of the situation at hand.

I understand that, and although I don't think much of their intelect, it's obvious they are doing what they need to do to alieve their own internal fear and loathing.

Me - I declared victory over ignorance, and then I got high, and I laughed, and I laffed, and I lafed even.

Oh, you are hilarious. You card!

[TheMojoPin]

I am now 110% convinced that this is ShowerBench.

Back again now is the incredible.

[angrymissy]

Maybe I am not the worlds best speller; but I have enough sense to find a PP witrhout crying to a teacher that it's too hard to do on my own.

You are a strong individual, and a great speller. Revel in it.

Just saying, you might want to learn how to spell INTELLECT or use spell check, before attacking others aforementioned INTELLECT.

I had the appointment and location, it was taxi fare I needed, my friend. Way to take it personal - the #1 sign of a failed attempt at rational debate. Next, you can compare someone to Hiltler and the cliche will be complete.

[BinaryBimbo]

I am now 110% convinced that this is ShowerBench.

Back again now is the incredible.

You are a mod - my best guess is you know I am not who you insinuate I am.

Honesty is the best policy if you wish to retain any credibility.

I'll tell you who I am.

I am the guy the singlehandily damn near doubled the R&F files in the torrent by taking my time and energy to answer a request from a stranger.

I realize this makes me a bad person.

I am a man who supports Obama not because of what he says; but because of what he represents to our nations psyche. It's called putting country ahead of Party; I noticed the Republicans used that a lot last night. I'd be on there side if I truly believed their man was the best choice; but I don't.

I am somewhat of a political junkie who enjoys arguing the finer points of this campaign; but I tend to not get angry at the candidates, or their handlers, because I accept their right to speak their minds and have their own vision for America.

I am truly an Independant, and always have been.

I vote every election.

I am also a vindictive sort when attcked personally.

Bring a lunch if you want to play with me; otherwise save your tender feelings and ignore me.

[BinaryBimbo]

Just saying, you might want to learn how to spell INTELLECT or use spell check, before attacking others aforementioned INTELLECT.

I had the appointment and location, it was taxi fare I needed, my friend. Way to take it personal - the #1 sign of a failed attempt at rational debate. Next, you can compare someone to Hiltler and the cliche will be complete.

You had to edit that?

Intelect, (no matter how you spell it), encompasses much more than proper spelling.

I admit - I Need a spell checker to keep from offending you. There is no excuse.

It's really not how you spell it - it's the meaning of the statement that matters.

You didn't like the gist of my argument, and decided to check me on spelling because you had nothing else. I responded with the only thing I know about you that exposes one of your weaknesses.

You argued for massive government spending because you couldn't lower yourself to take a subway or a bus to your appointment. Remember?

I'll take defiecent spelling skills over relying on others to save me from myself anyday.

[angrymissy]

You had to edit that?

Intelect, (no matter how you spell it), encompasses much more than proper spelling.

I admit - I Need a spell checker to keep from offending you. There is no excuse.

It's really not how you spell it - it's the meaning of the statement that matters.

You didn't like the gist of my argument, and decided to check me on spelling because you had nothing else. I responded with the only thing I know about you that exposes one of your weaknesses.

You argued for massive government spending because you couldn't lower yourself to take a subway or a bus to your appointment. Remember?

I'll take defiecent spelling skills over relying on others to save me from myself anyday.

Yes, I added on the part about Hitler!

I could care less about your "argument" or "debate", I thought it was hilariously ironic that you would misspell "intellect" while attacking the intellect of others.

There were no subways or buses going from my high school to PP. I did not grow up in NYC. Hence the taxicab. Hence my sympathy for young women living in rural areas who might not have teachers as involved with their students.

I've relied on myself since I was 16, so stop your judging, you don't know me at all. I've debated with polar opposites of my political views on this board for years, and you're the most combative and childish of them all.

I thought you were leaving? Internet messageboard cliche #5: post that you're leaving. Internet messageboard cliche #6: come back after posting that you're leaving.

(and yes, I edit posts, rather than post 5 in a row)

[Ritalin]

or, so says ABC news:

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[JerseySean]

You had to edit that?

Intelect, (no matter how you spell it), encompasses much more than proper spelling.

I admit - I Need a spell checker to keep from offending you. There is no excuse.

It's really not how you spell it - it's the meaning of the statement that matters.

You didn't like the gist of my argument, and decided to check me on spelling because you had nothing else. I responded with the only thing I know about you that exposes one of your weaknesses.

You argued for massive government spending because you couldn't lower yourself to take a subway or a bus to your appointment. Remember?

I'll take defiecent spelling skills over relying on others to save me from myself anyday.

Look I was the 2nd grade Bergen COunty, NJ spelling bee champ way back so I know what I am talking about here. WE ALL FUCK UP SPELLINGS ON MESSAGE BOARDS. Move on please. And dude, stop taking stuff so personally. I dont know these people personally on here but if I met them I would talk to them and Im sure we would get along. You seem to be taking this stuff to heart, but just keep your cool.

[TheMojoPin]

You are a mod - my best guess is you know I am not who you insinuate I am.

Honesty is the best policy if you wish to retain any credibility.

I'll tell you who I am.

I am the guy the singlehandily damn near doubled the R&F files in the torrent by taking my time and energy to answer a request from a stranger.

I realize this makes me a bad person.

I am a man who supports Obama not because of what he says; but because of what he represents to our nations psyche. It's called putting country ahead of Party; I noticed the Republicans used that a lot last night. I'd be on there side if I truly believed their man was the best choice; but I don't.

I am somewhat of a political junkie who enjoys arguing the finer points of this campaign; but I tend to not get angry at the candidates, or their handlers, because I accept their right to speak their minds and have their own vision for America.

I am truly an Independant, and always have been.

I vote every election.

I am also a vindictive sort when attcked personally.

Bring a lunch if you want to play with me; otherwise save your tender feelings and ignore me.

How did I attack you? I personally think you're actually another poster who suddenly vanished about a week before you showed up due your focus in the political threads ad your very similar tone and style of argument. I disagreed often with ShowerBench, but he was a very eloquent and intelligent poster who simply shared very different political bliefs from me. If you're not him, good for you, but it's not some kind of insult thinking you're him. Nobody said you were a "bad person" or said aything about file sharing or attacked you.

[K.C.]

Saw this on Philly.com, which I read pretty much everyday (contains the Inquirer and Daily News).


Yeah...um.....what?

Fatimah Ali: We need Obama, not 4 more years of George Bush


By Fatimah Ali
Philadelphia Daily News
AMERICA is on the brink of a long, harsh and bitterly cold winter, with a looming recession that the GOP won't even admit to.
The policies of the current White House have brutalized our economy, yet the wealthiest think that everything is fine.

Rich Republicans just don't understand that millions are suffering. But many of their working class do, and they're beginning to abandon their own party.

When lifelong Republican Barney Smith told the Democratic convention that he'd vote for Barack Obama for president, he gave pause to even the most conservative members of his party.

Smith, like many disgruntled working-class Republicans, is ready to turn his back on his party because he's having such a hard time providing for his family. Like others, Smith fell victim to the loss of 3.2 million American jobs as factories closed or their work was outsourced to cheap labor markets overseas.

Poet Langston Hughes once wrote, "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, Life is a broken-winged bird that cannot fly, Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams go, life is a barren field, frozen with snow."

Many wealthy folks live in a dream state and ignore people like Smith, whose tale of personal woe preceded Obama's acceptance speech.

He opposes John McCain because, he says, America can't afford another four years of failed GOP policies that have extended $200 billion in tax cuts to big corporations but not to the nation's 100 million families.

Our national debt has soared from $5.6 trillion to $9.6 trillion under Bush. The Republicans have overstayed their welcome and dragged us into a nightmare that must end soon, or this nation may be headed for chaos.

Obama tugged on the nation's heartstrings when he challenged McCain's tough talk and told the truth about the current policies.

Critics of the GOP believe that a four-year extension of the Bush administration will be disastrous. People are struggling, and the privileged are so out of touch they pretend it's OK that children go hungry.

Over the last eight years, we've lost 3.2 million jobs, and started a war that's cost trillions. The lies and deceit that got us into Iraq in the first place are just the tip of the iceberg and have ruined America's reputation across the globe.

Meanwhile, our economy continues to crumble, while crime, homelessness and poverty continue to soar.

Despite the fact that thousands of immigrants risk their safety to come here because this country may offer them better opportunities, the truth is that poverty lives right here in our own backyard.

Suffering is widespread as the gap between rich and poor widens. The Bush administration doesn't get it and neither does McCain. He is so out of touch that he hasn't a clue how many homes he owns, while the working class struggles to hold on to one.

The Democrats desperately need many more voters like Smith to cross party lines in order to secure the White House. Obama says electing him to the nation's highest office will not only help restore America's moral standing globally, but will lift the nation's low morale and improve our declining economy.

He promises to cut taxes for 95 percent of American workers and ease the burden for millions of families. And I believe him, although his critics say he's out of touch with the working class and blast him for not having a lineage that includes slavery.

But just because his ancestors never wore shackles, and he has paid off the student loans from his elite education doesn't mean he doesn't have compassion. Or that he doesn't understand the pain of those who live in dire poverty, who've lost their homes, who want yet can't afford college, and who lack health insurance.

His acceptance speech indicated that, unlike McCain, Obama gets it because hard times aren't so far behind him that his memory's been erased.

If McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness!

Plenty of Americans would rather stay in their dream state than to recognize the poverty sweeping across the country, right here, right now.

Obama understands that people are suffering. Every week, prices go up at the supermarket, and people are unable to feed their families. It already is dark and stormy for millions, who can't even afford pencils, book bags and lunch money for their children.

But when Obama wins the White House, we may just see a revolution that can turn the tide and improve this nation for everyone, not just a select few.

And I expect him to keep his word.*

Fatimah Ali is a regular contributor. E-mail her at fameworksmedia@yahoo.com.


You know..I'm with her for the most part up until the promise of a race and class war.

That is a very, very, dangerous road to walk if you're pitching for Obama.

Now I understand this is a columnist editorial, doing this on their own, and has absolutely nothing to do with the campaign in any capacity.

But still...the Philly Daily News has a fairly big readership. There's a lot of people who will pick that up, and be turned off by that.

No one does Obama any favors, walking down that road.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Saw this on Philly.com, which I read pretty much everyday (contains the Inquirer and Daily News).


Yeah...um.....what?




You know..I'm with her for the most part up until the promise of a race and class war.

That is a very, very, dangerous road to walk if you're pitching for Obama.

Now I understand this is a columnist editorial, doing this on their own, and has absolutely nothing to do with the campaign in any capacity.

But still...the Philly Daily News has a fairly big readership. There's a lot of people who will pick that up, and be turned off by that.

No one does Obama any favors, walking down that road.

yeah, you can't scare people into voting for either candidate. I hate the people (Anthony) that uses the "We can't vote for Obama because some people might assassinate him" line too

[Zorro]

yeah, you can't scare people into voting for either candidate. I hate the people (Anthony) that uses the "We can't vote for Obama because some people might assassinate him" line too

You realize Anthony is a guy that tells dick jokes for a living...

[DiabloSammich]

Yeah, but moderate, thoughtful, tolerant scottinnj is sooooo gay. I'm compensating with Baconators from Wendys, and lots of beer.

And cock. Don't forget cock.



Oddly enough, I refer to my cock as "The Baconator"



Small world.

[K.C.]

You realize Anthony is a guy that tells dick jokes for a living...

I thought he told gun jokes and stories about banging PalTalk girls for a living.

[BinaryBimbo]

Yes, I added on the part about Hitler!

I could care less about your "argument" or "debate", I thought it was hilariously ironic that you would misspell "intellect" while attacking the intellect of others.

There were no subways or buses going from my high school to PP. I did not grow up in NYC. Hence the taxicab. Hence my sympathy for young women living in rural areas who might not have teachers as involved with their students.

I've relied on myself since I was 16, so stop your judging, you don't know me at all. I've debated with polar opposites of my political views on this board for years, and you're the most combative and childish of them all.

I thought you were leaving? Internet messageboard cliche #5: post that you're leaving. Internet messageboard cliche #6: come back after posting that you're leaving.

(and yes, I edit posts, rather than post 5 in a row)


Try being honest with me.

You assumed I would never come back instead of taking me at my word that I would not wait around for a reply last night.

I have been honest with you - you earned my disrespect because you disrespected me first.

As for your PP needyness - Why did you make an appointment and not make arrangements to get there? Why did you wait until the last minute and cry to a teacher knowing you were jepordizing his own career?

I'll tell you why. Because you didn't think through your actions at that time.

It's really that simple. The government was not out to get you, and the teachers cash wasn't the only way you could be responsible for yourself; it was however the easy way out.

Keep disrespecting me because you disagree with me - I expect it from you now. Before your post I had never spoken with you; that was a fine How do you do.

You say you have been taking care of yourself since you were 16; from the little bit I have gathered on you through this discourse I am willing to bet your Boyfriends have been taking care of you, and you have no educated skills to actually take care of yourself unless you consider delivering plates of food to a restaurant table a skill. I am also willing to bet you will never make more than 35K a year, and you will always be bitter towards those whom you fear.

Maybe I'm wrong; but maybe I'm right and you feel like dogshit by now.

I hope you got what you needed from the Hitler comment because you are the first stranger to accuse me of bitterness and call me a Hitler symphathizer in one fell swoop. Hitler killed 6 Million Jews and 20 million Russians. I mispelled intelect.

[BinaryBimbo]

How did I attack you? I personally think you're actually another poster who suddenly vanished about a week before you showed up due your focus in the political threads ad your very similar tone and style of argument. I disagreed often with ShowerBench, but he was a very eloquent and intelligent poster who simply shared very different political bliefs from me. If you're not him, good for you, but it's not some kind of insult thinking you're him. Nobody said you were a "bad person" or said aything about file sharing or attacked you.

Be honest here - you repeated your accusation several times after I mentioned that I consider it a slur on me personally.

Last I saw you are 110% sure I'm someone else.

You say you are not attacking me, and I will take you at your word. I will try to ignore the past and move forward; but I certainly had reason to belive your comments were meant to hurt me personally after I denied it and explained that I have no idea who it is you are labeling me as, and that I did not appreciate that.

The file sharing was meant as a dig. Basically "What have you done for me lately." I was simply educating you on who I really am to the degree that I would want you to know me.

[angrymissy]

Try being honest with me.

You assumed I would never come back instead of taking me at my word that I would not wait around for a reply last night.

I have been honest with you - you earned my disrespect because you disrespected me first.

Serious business, eh?

As for your PP needyness - Why did you make an appointment and not make arrangements to get there? Why did you wait until the last minute and cry to a teacher knowing you were jepordizing his own career?

I'll tell you why. Because you didn't think through your actions at that time.

Wait until the last minute? Jeapordize his career? First of all it was a her, who I confided in because I had no idea how I was going to get there, for financial reasons, second of all, I never told a soul at school.

Yes - I could have thought it through better, I was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD!

It's really that simple. The government was not out to get you, and the teachers cash wasn't the only way you could be responsible for yourself; it was however the easy way out.

I never said the government was out to get me... I said I have sympathy for women in the same situation, and think a better approach is for the Government to step in and help early - before the situation becomes worse and you are dealing a with an STD or unplanned pregnancy.

Keep disrespecting me because you disagree with me - I expect it from you now. Before your post I had never spoken with you; that was a fine How do you do.

You're taking shit WAYYY too personally here. I lol'ed because you insulted someone's intellect and misspelled it while you were doing it. BIG FUCKING DEAL. GROW A SET.

You say you have been taking care of yourself since you were 16; from the little bit I have gathered on you through this discourse I am willing to bet your Boyfriends have been taking care of you, and you have no educated skills to actually take care of yourself unless you consider delivering plates of food to a restaurant table a skill. I am also willing to bet you will never make more than 35K a year, and you will always be bitter towards those whom you fear.

Ready? I took care of my entire family after my mother died at 16. I got my GED and went to work so my family could eat and keep the electricity on. I have NEVER - ever - been taken care of by a man. I've dragged myself up through Corporate through hard work and make SIGNIFICANTLY more than your quoted figure. Right now I am putting my brother through college because my father can't afford to.

Maybe I'm wrong; but maybe I'm right and you feel like dogshit by now.

I am the only person capable of making myself feel like dogshit. Don't think you have that power.

I hope you got what you needed from the Hitler comment because you are the first stranger to accuse me of bitterness and call me a Hitler symphathizer in one fell swoop. Hitler killed 6 Million Jews and 20 million Russians. I mispelled intelect.

Did you even READ my hilter comment? Have you ever been on a message board before? Comparing someone to hilter is the #1 internet cliche. I didn't call you Hilter, idiot.

You need to step back from the internets and take a deep breath. You're wayyyy too obsessed with my 14-year old Planned Parenthood visit and your predetermined way you think I live. I'm a self-made successful woman (don't believe me? Sorry there are at LEAST 20 people here who have known me for years), and you're a bitter, internet troll. I feel bad for you.

I've been on this board for years, and there are many, many posters who I have disagreed with over the years, but we treat each other with respect. You just spew garbage.

[GreatAmericanZero]

You realize Anthony is a guy that tells dick jokes for a living...

and hes a human being and a voter. And I've heard callers call up with that point of view too


what, you think only smart and educated people with respectable jobs vote?

[mikeyboy]

Try being honest with me.

You assumed I would never come back instead of taking me at my word that I would not wait around for a reply last night.

I have been honest with you - you earned my disrespect because you disrespected me first.

As for your PP needyness - Why did you make an appointment and not make arrangements to get there? Why did you wait until the last minute and cry to a teacher knowing you were jepordizing his own career?

I'll tell you why. Because you didn't think through your actions at that time.

It's really that simple. The government was not out to get you, and the teachers cash wasn't the only way you could be responsible for yourself; it was however the easy way out.

Keep disrespecting me because you disagree with me - I expect it from you now. Before your post I had never spoken with you; that was a fine How do you do.

You say you have been taking care of yourself since you were 16; from the little bit I have gathered on you through this discourse I am willing to bet your Boyfriends have been taking care of you, and you have no educated skills to actually take care of yourself unless you consider delivering plates of food to a restaurant table a skill. I am also willing to bet you will never make more than 35K a year, and you will always be bitter towards those whom you fear.

Maybe I'm wrong; but maybe I'm right and you feel like dogshit by now.

I hope you got what you needed from the Hitler comment because you are the first stranger to accuse me of bitterness and call me a Hitler symphathizer in one fell swoop. Hitler killed 6 Million Jews and 20 million Russians. I mispelled intelect.

Seriously? WTF? I realize that you feel slighted that some people thought you were Shower Bench, but you seriously need to take a step back.

[angrymissy]

Seriously? WTF? I realize that you feel slighted that some people thought you were Shower Bench, but you seriously need to take a step back.

I insulted its spelling.

That means I'm a waitress making $35k.

[BinaryBimbo]

Serious business, eh?



Wait until the last minute? Jeapordize his career? First of all it was a her, who I confided in because I had no idea how I was going to get there, for financial reasons, second of all, I never told a soul at school.

Yes - I could have thought it through better, I was FOURTEEN YEARS OLD!



I never said the government was out to get me... I said I have sympathy for women in the same situation, and think a better approach is for the Government to step in and help early - before the situation becomes worse and you are dealing a with an STD or unplanned pregnancy.



You're taking shit WAYYY too personally here. I lol'ed because you insulted someone's intellect and misspelled it while you were doing it. BIG FUCKING DEAL. GROW A SET.



Ready? I took care of my entire family after my mother died at 16. I got my GED and went to work. I have NEVER - ever - been taken care of by a man. I've dragged myself up through Corporate through hard work and make SIGNIFICANTLY more than your quoted figure. Right now I am putting my brother through college because my father can't afford to.



I am the only person capable of making myself feel like dogshit. Don't think you have that power.



Did you even READ my hilter comment? Have you ever been on a message board before? Comparing someone to hilter is the #1 internet cliche. I didn't call you Hilter, idiot.

You need to step back from the internets and take a deep breath. You're wayyyy too obsessed with my 14-year old Planned Parenthood visit and your predetermined way you think I live. I'm a self made successful woman, and you're a bitter, internet troll. I feel bad for you.

I've been on this board for years, and there are many, many posters who I have disagreed with over the years, but we treat each other with respect. You just spew garbage.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing that with me.

Comparing someone to Hitler is the no. 1 Internet cliche?
Oh - in that case Thank you for the kind thoughts.

I asked a guy how it felt to be a liar the other night and was reprimanded by the boss. I suppose no one cares what some angry woman says though because I see nothing here saying that was unwarranted.

I'm new to your forum of years of posting in, and I expect a certain amount of fuck you from folks; but I sure didn't expect it from someone I don't have any dialog with.

You just said I "spew garbage" Is that treating me with respect?

[BinaryBimbo]

Seriously? WTF? I realize that you feel slighted that some people thought you were Shower Bench, but you seriously need to take a step back.

Yeah

What about being compared to Hitler dude? Double standard?

[GreatAmericanZero]

Seriously? WTF? I realize that you feel slighted that some people thought you were Shower Bench, but you seriously need to take a step back.

:banning: ?

[angrymissy]

You do not consider your unwarranted attack on me garbage? I sure do. All I did was insult your spelling and suddenly I am some leech of a woman, supported by a man for her entire life, making $35k as a waitress?

You see, there are plenty of other people who share your political views here, that I have debated with plenty of times, that do not stoop to your level, which is, in fact, garbage.

I will never call your political views garbage, however, I will call your personal attacks such.

[mikeyboy]

Yeah

What about being compared to Hitler dude? Double standard?

She didn't compare you to Hitler. Re-read her original post.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Did you even READ my hilter comment? Have you ever been on a message board before? Comparing someone to hilter is the #1 internet cliche. I didn't call you Hilter, idiot.

You need to step back from the internets and take a deep breath. You're wayyyy too obsessed with my 14-year old Planned Parenthood visit and your predetermined way you think I live. I'm a self made successful woman, and you're a bitter, internet troll. I feel bad for you.

I've been on this board for years, and there are many, many posters who I have disagreed with over the years, but we treat each other with respect. You just spew garbage.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing that with me.

Comparing someone to Hitler is the no. 1 Internet cliche?
Oh - in that case Thank you for the kind thoughts.

I asked a guy how it felt to be a liar the other night and was reprimanded by the boss. I suppose no one cares what some angry woman says though because I see nothing here saying that was unwarranted.

I'm new to your forum of years of posting in, and I expect a certain amount of fuck you from folks; but I sure didn't expect it from someone I don't have any dialog with.

You just said I "spew garbage" Is that treating me with respect?

The funniest thing in the world to me

on messageboards when the person writing long, angry, rambling responses accuses the other of "taking the internet too seriously


BTW, who looks for "respect" on a messageboard? With the exception of the people I interact with in real life, I barely even take the time to look (let alone remember) the screennames of which I am replying to

[angrymissy]

Yeah

What about being compared to Hitler dude? Double standard?

HOLY SHIT. YOU ARE REALLY OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND. I NEVER COMPARED YOU TO FUCKING HILTER!

Next, you can compare someone to Hiltler and the cliche will be complete.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

"As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

Godwin's Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

The rule does not make any statement whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin's Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

[JerseySean]

HOLY SHIT. YOU ARE REALLY OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND. I NEVER COMPARED YOU TO FUCKING HILTER!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Can we get back to the point of this thread, everything about Obama blows

[angrymissy]

Can we get back to the point of this thread, everything about Obama blows

I can deduct that from that one sentence, you are a worm farmer on food stamps making $17.5K per year with an Associates Degree. And I bet you drive a FORD TAURUS! HITLER!

[JerseySean]

I can deduct that from that one sentence, you are a worm farmer on food stamps making $17.5K per year with an Associates Degree. HITLER!

Its 18.5K and its sugarcane, you fucking waitress

[mikeyboy]

For what its worth, I don't think Missy would make a very good waitress.

[K.C.]

Iowa: Obama 55, McCain 40 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)
Minnesota: Obama 53, McCain 41 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)
Ohio: Obama 47, McCain 45 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)

MoE +/- 3.5%


I think most people expect Obama to run away in Iowa, and Ohio to be a dead heat down to the wire.

The Minnesota number is interesting, in that if Obama shows strongly enough there, he could pull Al Franken along with him, to knock of Norm Coleman for that Senate seat.

[JerseySean]

Iowa: Obama 55, McCain 40 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)
Minnesota: Obama 53, McCain 41 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)
Ohio: Obama 47, McCain 45 (CNN/Time/OpinionResearch)

MoE +/- 3.5%


I think most people expect Obama to run away in Iowa, and Ohio to be a dead heat down to the wire.

The Minnesota number is interesting, in that if Obama shows strongly enough there, he could pull Al Franken along with him, to knock of Norm Coleman for that Senate seat.

When it somes down too it, MN wont be that big. Obama +3-5. Franken is going to get blown out when people start paying attention to that race and the opp research file on him is thicker than anyone could have dreamed.

[K.C.]

When it somes down too it, MN wont be that big. Obama +3-5. Franken is going to get blown out when people start paying attention to that race and the opp research file on him is thicker than anyone could have dreamed.

Franken won't get blown out. Way too much money in his coffers, and he has the full force of the Democratic establishment behind him up there, which figures to keep things close.

There's also a strong likelihood both Clintons will be up there campaigning for him.

The problem with that race for the Dems is that Jesse Ventura is causing a ruckus with his hand picked third party candidate for the seat, Dean Barkley.

That guy will pull at least 10% of the vote. Where his support comes from is anyone's guess, but I tend to believe it hurts Franken more than Coleman.


I have the Dems pegged to pick up six seats this election, but Minnesota is not one of them. I think Coleman will eek it out unless Obama pulls Franken through on his coattails.

[JerseySean]

Franken won't get blown out. Way too much money in his coffers, and he has the full force of the Democratic establishment behind him up there, which figures to keep things close.

There's also a strong likelihood both Clintons will be up there campaigning for him.

The problem with that race for the Dems is that Jesse Ventura is causing a ruckus with his hand picked third party candidate for the seat, Dean Barkley.

That guy will pull at least 10% of the vote. Where his support comes from is anyone's guess, but I tend to believe it hurts Franken more than Coleman.


I have the Dems pegged to pick up six seats this election, but Minnesota is not one of them. I think Coleman will eek it out unless Obama pulls Franken through on his coattails.

Let me put it this way, I think the GOP could lose up to 9 seats this year, MN will not be one.

Virginia-Gone
New Mexico-Gone
Colorado-Gone
New Hampshire-Gone

Oregon, NC, Alaska, Probable gone

Maine, Mississippi-Possibly Gone

Louisiana is the only possible pickup for Republicans

[TheMojoPin]

Good Lord, board characters suck sometimes.

[K.C.]

I've got five.

-Alaska
-Colorado
-New Hampshire
-New Mexico
-Virginia

Minnesota, North Carolina, and Oregon are feasible to me, but as of right now, I think those are like retains for the Republicans.

People keep saying Mississippi and Maine will be competitive, but I don't really see it.


Louisiana is really the only chance the Dems have of losing a seat, but it's a longshot, I think.

[JerseySean]

I've got five.

-Alaska
-Colorado
-New Hampshire
-New Mexico
-Virginia

Minnesota, North Carolina, and Oregon are feasible to me, but as of right now, I think those are like retains for the Republicans.

People keep saying Mississippi and Maine will be competitive, but I don't really see it.


Louisiana is really the only chance the Dems have of losing a seat, but it's a longshot, I think.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:5d0oVum9zsTr8M:http://www.delawareonline.com/blogs/uploaded_images/odonnell2-748456.jpgHey but you have the hottest Senate candidate of the year in Delaware riunning against Biden

[epo]

Ahh......Senator Norm Coleman. Remember when he was the golden boy of the Republican Party? But what happened to him....oh yea....he got his ass whipped by George Galloway in a Senate meeting for a bit of an overreach:

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Damn. That's just embarrassing.

[JerseySean]

Ahh......Senator Norm Coleman. Remember when he was the golden boy of the Republican Party? But what happened to him....oh yea....he got his ass whipped by George Galloway in a Senate meeting for a bit of an overreach:

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Damn. That's just embarrassing.

Yes and you and Al Franken can be the only two people watching this and saying how bad it is. Norm is still top notch and he will run for Prez in the next decade. He is tough as nails and very resilient.

[yojimbo7248]

Good Lord, board characters suck sometimes.

I don't get this board character thing. So, at one point will BinaryBimbo break character and say something like, 'ha, it has been me, Showerbench, all along'? Do people on ronfez.net often create these board characters? Do these characters show up suddenly and then disappear or do the creators usually let everyone in on the joke and that they were just a creation? Are there any fake deaths of these fictional people?

[K.C.]

Hey but you have the hottest Senate candidate of the year in Delaware riunning against Biden

That chick is 800x crazier than Palin.

[epo]

Yes and you and Al Franken can be the only two people watching this and saying how bad it is. Norm is still top notch and he will run for Prez in the next decade. He is tough as nails and very resilient.

I hate the thought of living in a world in which a hack like Norm Coleman thinks he can be POTUS. Seriously, he's in a dogfight with this guy:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/12/18/2004081181.jpg

[BOY BOY]

Good Lord, board characters suck sometimes.

all they do is create problems. cracker ass crackers.

[JerseySean]

That chick is 800x crazier than Palin.

You have no idea my friend, you have no fucking idea.

[JerseySean]

I hate the thought of living in a world in which a hack like Norm Coleman thinks he can be POTUS. Seriously, he's in a dogfight with this guy:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/12/18/2004081181.jpg

It wont be a dogfight within a month. the Democrat Senatoral Committee will pull out by Oct 5th

[K.C.]

Ahh......Senator Norm Coleman. Remember when he was the golden boy of the Republican Party? But what happened to him....oh yea....he got his ass whipped by George Galloway in a Senate meeting for a bit of an overreach:

Damn. That's just embarrassing.

Coleman's problem is that Al Franken did a pretty airtight job of conveying what happened in the aftermath of the Paul Wellstone crash and memorial and how Coleman exploited it to get elected.


If he survives this election, I think he could hold that seat for a long time. I'm not sure he'll survive, though...


JerseySean is out of his mind if he thinks Coleman's going to blow him out. That seat may be priority #1 for the Democrats this year.

He's going to face the awesome power of a fully armed and OP-ER-ATIONAL democratic party.


http://bike29.com/blog/uploaded_images/death-star-712924.jpg

[JerseySean]

Coleman's problem is that Al Franken did a pretty airtight job of conveying what happened in the aftermath of the Paul Wellstone crash and memorial and how Coleman exploited it to get elected.


If he survives this election, I think he could hold that seat for a long time. I'm not sure he'll survive, though...


JerseySean is out of his mind if he thinks Coleman's going to blow him out. That seat may be priority #1 for the Democrats this year.

He's going to face the awesome power of a fully armed and OP-ER-ATIONAL democratic party.


http://bike29.com/blog/uploaded_images/death-star-712924.jpg


Coleman has a $5million cash on hand advantage and agai, Franken's opp research file is LARGE. Watch, this one will be a blowout. Noones beating Norm

[Tenbatsuzen]

For what its worth, I don't think Missy would make a very good waitress.

"My steak is undercoo---"


"YOU WILL FUCKING EAT IT!!!!!"

"Yes. No problem. Thanks." *gives Fez-style tip*


...and scene.

[Tenbatsuzen]

You do not consider your unwarranted attack on me garbage? I sure do. All I did was insult your spelling and suddenly I am some leech of a woman, supported by a man for her entire life, making $35k as a waitress?


If you're making 35k as a waitress, you're doing pretty well...


This thread is weird. Arguments, dramas, banning... and I'm the one who's flipped from voting republican to democrat and I'm not calling anyone out.

I guess impending fatherhood changes your perspective in multiple ways.

[DiabloSammich]

I'm worried.

How can Obama unite a nation, when he can't even unite a messageboard thread?






Remember BinaryBimbo? He was the best.

[epo]

I'm worried.

How can Obama unite a nation, when he can't even unite a messageboard thread?

Remember BinaryBimbo? He was the best.

Shhh....we might have united Tenbatz.....that's always the first step to real change.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Shhh....we might have united Tenbatz.....that's always the first step to real change.

Tenbats United is my FC.

[SP1!]

Ahh......Senator Norm Coleman. Remember when he was the golden boy of the Republican Party? But what happened to him....oh yea....he got his ass whipped by George Galloway in a Senate meeting for a bit of an overreach:


Damn. That's just embarrassing.

Talking sternly is not really a whipping, he had was sympathetic to saddam only after he married his wife but yet he states he protested against him when he was installed as Iraqs ruler, which is it george? There was also wire transfers of $85k that his wife could not answer what they were for, the labor party then expelled him and he was only re-elected because of the anti-bush backlash.

Hes a typical politician, switching sides when it suits him, kinda like how obama does.

[SP1!]

I hate the thought of living in a world in which a hack like Norm Coleman thinks he can be POTUS. Seriously, he's in a dogfight with this guy:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2007/12/18/2004081181.jpg

Whats amazing is that anyone takes fraken seriously, hes a fucking comedian and an opinionated ass with zero political experience, why anyone would even consider voting for him is fucking ludicrous.

His radio show sucked, he wasnt funny on SNL, and he will do nothing in politics.

[TheMojoPin]

Whats amazing is that anyone takes fraken seriously, hes a fucking comedian and an opinionated ass with zero political experience, why anyone would even consider voting for him is fucking ludicrous.

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/reaganpics/rr140.jpg

http://alhazan.com/gallery/albums/career/sonny_bono_450.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2007/07/24/arnold460.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

http://www.ronaldreagan.com/reaganpics/rr140.jpg

http://alhazan.com/gallery/albums/career/sonny_bono_450.jpg

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2007/07/24/arnold460.jpg

You forgot...


http://www.topnews.in/light/files/clint-eastwood-dirty-harry.JPG

and

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/fred-grandy.jpg

[SP1!]

You forgot...


http://www.topnews.in/light/files/clint-eastwood-dirty-harry.JPG

and

http://fruitfly.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/fred-grandy.jpg

And there wasn't the internet back then to point how fucked up some of their idiotic ideas really were.

[A.J.]

For what its worth, I don't think Missy would make a very good waitress.

"My steak is undercoo---"


"YOU WILL FUCKING EAT IT!!!!!"

"Yes. No problem. Thanks." *gives Fez-style tip*


...and scene.

I, for one, would not kiss Missy's grits.

[K.C.]

I wonder if there's ultimately anything to this, but it's at least made me take notice.

Obama Leading North Dakota by 3 Points in Aug 23-27 Poll. Hoeven leading by 44 Points
date syndicated: Sep 3 2008 12:37PM
A poll conducted from August 23-27 by DFM Research of 400 likely voters shows Obama leading 43% to 40% with 5% Other and 12% Unsure (margin of error +/- 5%).
This is the first ND Poll since February showing Obama Leading in North Dakota. (Real Clear Politics has McCain up +3, +1, and +6 in the last 3 polls and Obama up +4 in February)
I spoke with Dean Mitchell of DFM Research Today and he stated that the poll was conducted during the DNC Convention with polling ending the day prior to Obama's speech.
The full results are listed below and it includes some polling on the Governors Race and the Insurance Commissioner Race. Hoeven leads Mathern by 44 Percentage Points (63 to 19) and Kelly Schmidt leads Mitch Vance in the treasurer race by 22% to 17% with 59% Unsure.

Normally, I would think nothing of this, and chalk it up to a typical late August poll.

But, polling has shown a close race in South Dakota (McCain 47, Obama 43) and Montana (McCain 45, Obama 44) so far this year.

So I wonder if there's some larger thing going on in that region. I know Montana's gone through something of a transformation, politically, under their Governor Brian Schweitzer.

I'd be scratching my head if I was in the McCain campaign right now. North Dakota is a state Bush won with over 60% both times.

Ultimately, I think McCain wins all three of those states, and the Dakotas pretty handily, but if those numbers hold close through September, and he has to burn a campaign visit or two touring that region to sure up those states....that's huge in the grand scheme of the campaign.

McCain has enough states to try and defend already. He can't afford to waste time making sure states he should win handily stay that way.

[epo]

Georgia Representative Lynn Westmoreland reminded us that he's from Georgia today with this little nugget about the Obamas (http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/westmoreland-calls-obama-uppity-2008-09-04.html):

"Just from what little I’ve seen of her and Mr. Obama, Sen. Obama, they're a member of an elitist-class individual that thinks that they're uppity," Westmoreland said.

Asked to clarify that he used the word “uppity,” Westmoreland said, “Uppity, yeah.”

Yes, Lynn we get it, Senator Obama is black. We didn't need your codewords to figure that out.

If you remember, Lynn Westmoreland was the guy who wanted the 10 Commandments posted, but couldn't name them all when questioned by Stephen Colbert. Here is that exchange:

Stephen Colbert: What are the Ten Commandments?

Lynn Westmoreland: What are all of them?

SC: Yes.

LW: You want me to name them all?

SC: Yes.

LW: Uhhh.

LW: Ummmm. Don't murder. Don't lie. Don't steal. Ummmmm.

LW: I can't name them all.

That's quite a team you've got Senator McCain. Kudos to you!

[GreatAmericanZero]

what kind of name is Lynn for a man anyway?

[JerseySean]

I wonder if there's ultimately anything to this, but it's at least made me take notice.



Normally, I would think nothing of this, and chalk it up to a typical late August poll.

But, polling has shown a close race in South Dakota (McCain 47, Obama 43) and Montana (McCain 45, Obama 44) so far this year.

So I wonder if there's some larger thing going on in that region. I know Montana's gone through something of a transformation, politically, under their Governor Brian Schweitzer.

I'd be scratching my head if I was in the McCain campaign right now. North Dakota is a state Bush won with over 60% both times.

Ultimately, I think McCain wins all three of those states, and the Dakotas pretty handily, but if those numbers hold close through September, and he has to burn a campaign visit or two touring that region to sure up those states....that's huge in the grand scheme of the campaign.

McCain has enough states to try and defend already. He can't afford to waste time making sure states he should win handily stay that way.

I agree with you. Something about this doesnt jive right. I dont get it and I am not sure anyone does. Maybe Indians?

[Ritalin]

what kind of name is Lynn for a man anyway?

http://gullyborg.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/the_catch_1.jpg

[Kevin]

So... whats the over under on POW said in McCains speech?

[A.J.]

what kind of name is Lynn for a man anyway?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/36/Mr_Belvedere.jpg

[epo]

Senator Obama did a nice job striking back on the community organizer belittling that the Republicans did during their convention:

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The killer line is:

"The question I have for them is: Why would that kind of work be ridiculous? Who are they fighting for? What are they advocating for?"

I hope they feed this line of rhetoric to all of their surrogates. It's VERY consistent with Senator Obama's convention speak that McCain is a good man but "out of touch".

[epo]

If the McCain campaign thinks that Governor Hockey Mom is gonna keep up with Senator Biden then all I can say is "good luck".

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That's what a damned pitbull looks like.

[scottinnj]

I'm worried.

How can Obama unite a nation, when he can't even unite a messageboard thread?






Remember BinaryBimbo? He was the best.



You must Unite the Clans!


http://mobcode.com/files/braveheart.jpg




UNITE THE CLANS!

[K.C.]

BEAT DOWN!

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[angrymissy]

If the McCain campaign thinks that Governor Hockey Mom is gonna keep up with Senator Biden then all I can say is "good luck".

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That's what a damned pitbull looks like.

:ohmy:

[DiabloSammich]

BEAT DOWN!

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The guy behind him has the biggest head I've ever seen in my life.

[GreatAmericanZero]

Biden used the "H-E-Double Hockey Sticks" word!

[Friday]

EPO!

I want to know what your take on this verbal slippage is.

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[epo]

EPO!

I want to know what your take on this verbal slippage is.

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He was probably mesmerized by George Stephanopolous' eyes.

Verbal slip, no biggie. Anybody who really jumps on it and believes it wasn't going to vote for Senator Obama anyway.

[GreatAmericanZero]

but Obama wasn't wrong with that verbal slippage

if he said it like "McCain hasn't talked about my "Muslim faith"'


he means, him being accused of being a muslim, which he was by blogsites and stuff like that


thats how i read it anyway

[epo]

The Clinton gang must be all-in this time because James Carville of all people is directly on message:

"By every economic measure known to man, Democratic Presidents have out-performed Republican Presidents. And by the way if you believe the economy was better under George W Bush than Bill Clinton you’ve got a real clear choice here.

"If you think what America needs is a tax cut for people making over half-a-million dollars a year then vote for McCain. If you think middle-class people are struggling – that their incomes are going down and they need help – vote for Obama. It’s a very simple choice".

Seriously, that is ON MESSAGE. Talking about McCain's houses & Palin's church is not.

[HBox]

If politics was more like wrestling:

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[scottinnj]

The Clinton gang must be all-in this time because James Carville of all people is directly on message:



Seriously, that is ON MESSAGE. Talking about McCain's houses & Palin's church is not.

Yep, Jimmy knows when to horse around, and when to nail it down.

I wish he was on our side in the 90s.

[scottinnj]

EPO!

I want to know what your take on this verbal slippage is.

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I should just edit that clip and send the "My Muslim Faith" soundbite to my mom.

But I'm not, because I'm sure one of crazy relatives is working on it right now.

[DolaMight]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20080907/capt.cps.nnc59.070908183401.photo00.photo.default-459x512.jpg?x=309&y=345&q=85&sig=8Hvr0JwOUYohuI8OZcMRFA--
CAN HE GET HIS GROOVE BACK? (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif

Drudge couldn't possibly fit more black stereotypes in. We know, he's black.

[IMSlacker]

Latest Obama ad.

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[Zorro]

The Clinton gang must be all-in this time because James Carville of all people is directly on message:



Seriously, that is ON MESSAGE. Talking about McCain's houses & Palin's church is not.

Obama did not beat the best team in politics by accident. These guys know what they're doing (as hard as that may seem) and McCain is in for an ass pounding.

[thepaulo]

fuck all politicians they suck dick

[HBox]

fuck all politicians they suck dick

Thanks for the deep insight.

[TheMojoPin]

Thanks for the deep insight.

It's actually more insightful and profound than anything he's ever offered up about films.

[thepaulo]

They take us for a bunch of suckers.

[mikeyboy]

Are you attempting to be bipartisan by putting the same comments in the Obama and McCain threads?

[DiabloSammich]

They take us for a bunch of suckers.


Really.

Have you seen the new tax they want to impose for people who burn up their microwaves?


Fuckin commies.

[HBox]

They take us for a bunch of suckers.

These thoughts aren't worst posting twice. Not worth posting even once. Not worth even thinking, really.

[Knowledged_one]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20080907/capt.cps.nnc59.070908183401.photo00.photo.default-459x512.jpg?x=309&y=345&q=85&sig=8Hvr0JwOUYohuI8OZcMRFA--
CAN HE GET HIS GROOVE BACK? (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif

Drudge couldn't possibly fit more black stereotypes in. We know, he's black.

What do you mean i see no newport menthols in that picture nor do i see Kool-Aid to drink or a 40 oz?

[thepaulo]

These thoughts aren't worst posting twice. Not worth posting even once. Not worth even thinking, really.
I'm not a political junkie...but i do know neither candidate is equipped to guide us through these very troubled times.....so tell it to the rubes.

[Knowledged_one]

I'm not a political junkie...but i do know neither candidate is equipped to guide us through these very troubled times.....so tell it to the rubes.

and how did you arrive at this enlightened point of view?

[mikeyboy]

and how did you arrive at this enlightened point of view?

http://www.valorecellars.com.au/images/wild%20turkey.jpg

[Earlshog]

http://www.valorecellars.com.au/images/wild%20turkey.jpg

don't make him a bad person

[GreatAmericanZero]

isn't Paulo moving to Illonios? Hes gotta support his future hometown boy!

[thepaulo]

I really have no choice but to vote for Obama but the dickhead is gonna lose the election because he didn't pick the obvious choice for VP....

[DiabloSammich]

I really have no choice but to vote for Obama but the dickhead is gonna lose the election because he didn't pick the obvious choice for VP....



You?

[JerseySean]

Sarah Palin is drawing heavy criticism from Democrats.
Photo: AP

Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are intensifying their attacks on Sarah Palin, as her sustained and surprising central role in this race is upending Obama’s strategy and often overshadowing McCain.

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Obama himself used similar langauge later in the day about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric, saying "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."


GAME OVER

[TooLowBrow]

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Obama himself used similar langauge later in the day about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric, saying "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."


you can?!? what year is this?

[epo]

Sarah Palin is drawing heavy criticism from Democrats.
Photo: AP

Barack Obama and his Democratic allies are intensifying their attacks on Sarah Palin, as her sustained and surprising central role in this race is upending Obama’s strategy and often overshadowing McCain.

Democratic Congressman Russ Carnahan on Tuesday – introducing Joe Biden at a campaign event – ripped into Palin’s record and punctuated it with this snarky jab. “There’s no way you can dress up that record, even with a lot of lipstick,” he said. Obama himself used similar langauge later in the day about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric, saying "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

GAME OVER

Russ Carnahan makes a comment and Ron Fournier's "press agency" finds it to be news?

Silly.

[JerseySean]

Russ Carnahan makes a comment and Ron Fournier's "press agency" finds it to be news?

Silly.

Front Page on Drudge, being reported on Fox and CNN and McCain camp just had a conference call asking Obama to apologize. This has legs and it is a HUGE gaffe.

[epo]

Front Page on Drudge, being reported on Fox and CNN and McCain camp just had a conference call asking Obama to apologize. This has legs and it is a HUGE gaffe.

Bigger than this surrogate disaster from Megan McCain?

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That's a trainwreck!

[epo]

Front Page on Drudge, being reported on Fox and CNN and McCain camp just had a conference call asking Obama to apologize. This has legs and it is a HUGE gaffe.

BTW - I love fake outrage from Republicans. They run this election into the god damned mud and Democrats are the assholes? Fuck them!

[scottinnj]

WORLD WANTS OBAMA AS PRESIDENT (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/09/09/2360240.htm?section=world)

First, 200,000 Germans show up for a speech. Now this. The rest of the world is treating Obama with rock-star status. HE IS NOT BONO!

I never cared for what Europe's opinion on U.S. elections, never will. These kind of stories helped derail the Kerry campaign, so Obama should play down all of this adulation.

[epo]

And here is the "outrageous" quote: (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080910/ap_on_el_pr/obama_lipstick;_ylt=Ag9QKmEKSqD0SVdZ0MzRhJ6s0NUE)

You can put lipstick on a pig," he said to an outbreak of laughter, shouts and raucous applause from his audience, clearly drawing a connection to Palin's joke. "It's still a pig. You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still going to stink after eight years."

But here is the irony of the phrase.

McCain has used the lipstick phrase, too.

Last year while criticizing health proposals from the Democratic presidential candidates, he said Hillary Rodham Clinton's resembled the failed plan she offered as first lady during the 1990s. "I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig," McCain of her proposal.

Can you spell HYPOCRITE?

[angrymissy]

Calling for apologies? Big freaking whoop. Are they trying to say he was calling Palin a pig? Is this how it's going to be? Finally a women nominated for higher office and she's going to be a fucking pussy about it?

[mendyweiss]

I Think We Need Tall James' Artistic Talent About Now

[JerseySean]

BTW - I love fake outrage from Republicans. They run this election into the god damned mud and Democrats are the assholes? Fuck them!

Yes it is fake, but Dems are the masters of FAKE OUTRAGE. You are comparing a daughter of a Presidential candidate jumbling words to calling a Vice Presidential nomninee a pig? Thats a stretch. But seriously folks, this is a black man calling a white woman a pig. You can say what he was really trying to say, and I understand whaytt he wa strying to saY but the bottom line is that he fucked up. And coming on the heels of a 21 point swing towards McCain from the largest voting block in the country, white women.

[angrymissy]

Yes it is fake, but Dems are the masters of FAKE OUTRAGE. You are comparing a daughter of a Presidential candidate jumbling words to calling a Vice Presidential nomninee a pig? Thats a stretch. But seriously folks, this is a black man calling a white woman a pig. You can say what he was really trying to say, and I understand whaytt he wa strying to saY but the bottom line is that he fucked up. And coming on the heels of a 21 point swing towards McCain from the largest voting block in the country, white women.

If you think he was calling her a pig, you're out of your mind. Seriously.

From,
a White Woman

[TheMojoPin]

Yes it is fake, but Dems are the masters of FAKE OUTRAGE. You are comparing a daughter of a Presidential candidate jumbling words to calling a Vice Presidential nomninee a pig? Thats a stretch. But seriously folks, this is a black man calling a white woman a pig. You can say what he was really trying to say, and I understand whaytt he wa strying to saY but the bottom line is that he fucked up. And coming on the heels of a 21 point swing towards McCain from the largest voting block in the country, white women.

So it's OK for McCain to call a woman a pig because he's white.

[epo]

Yes it is fake, but Dems are the masters of FAKE OUTRAGE. You are comparing a daughter of a Presidential candidate jumbling words to calling a Vice Presidential nomninee a pig? Thats a stretch. But seriously folks, this is a black man calling a white woman a pig. You can say what he was really trying to say, and I understand whaytt he wa strying to saY but the bottom line is that he fucked up. And coming on the heels of a 21 point swing towards McCain from the largest voting block in the country, white women.

Here is the quote in its entirety:

"The other side, suddenly, they're saying 'we're for change too'. Now think about it, these are the same folks that have been in charge for the last eight years.

"You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap up an old fish in a piece of paper and call it change. It's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough," he said to a standing ovation.

Senator Obama CLEARLY is talking about the ticket. This is fake outrage at the worst level.

[scottinnj]

Oh, I'm sick of women voters. Seriously.

All the Palin supporters who are women have to a tee today in sound bites said first they like her because she's a woman.

Not her stance on issues, or her experience or accomplishments.

She's a woman. And apparantly, that's reason enough to vote for the McCain-Palin ticket.

[epo]

Oh, I'm sick of women voters. Seriously.

All the Palin supporters who are women have to a tee today in sound bites said first they like her because she's a woman.

Not her stance on issues, or her experience or accomplishments.

She's a woman. And apparantly, that's reason enough to vote for the McCain-Palin ticket.

Similar plumbing is NOT a rationale for a vote.

[JerseySean]

I am just saying how this will be perceived. Again, I know what Obama was trying to say, bad analogy and he fucked up hugely. Over Barry

[TheMojoPin]

The people that would perceive this "racially" as you tried to break it down likely weren't ever going to vote for Obama.

[HBox]

If you think he was calling her a pig, you're out of your mind. Seriously.

From,
a White Woman

I've got a poll here that says you have a different opinion.

[scottinnj]

Similar plumbing is NOT a rationale for a vote.

The conservative mantra against Hillary was that "it's not that's she's a woman, it's just that we disagree with her"
Also, we believe that it's the right person for the job, the White House is not a place to be practicing EO.

Sorry to report, conservative women are hypocrites too.

[JerseySean]

If you think he was calling her a pig, you're out of your mind. Seriously.

From,
a White Woman

A liberal, single issue white woman who was never going to vote for a Republican anyway.

[scottinnj]

I am just saying how this will be perceived. Again, I know what Obama was trying to say, bad analogy and he fucked up hugely. Over Barry

The people that would perceive this "racially" as you tried to break it down likely weren't ever going to vote for Obama.

JerseySean has a point. People vote for many reasons. There are going to be undecided voters who will hear the spin the GOP makes of this, and vote for McCain. It cannot be ignored.

MojoPin, you may have a point, those hyping this gaffe weren't going to vote for Obama anyway, but spin spun the right way will turn true undecideds to McCain for the wrong reasons.


Like what I posted about Europe's opinion on this election. That will play heavy with people who don't like others sticking their noses in our business. They'll vote for McCain just to spite Europe.

[angrymissy]

Oh, I'm sick of women voters. Seriously.

All the Palin supporters who are women have to a tee today in sound bites said first they like her because she's a woman.

Not her stance on issues, or her experience or accomplishments.

She's a woman. And apparantly, that's reason enough to vote for the McCain-Palin ticket.

I have a friend, from high school, that is exactly that person. She accused someone of not liking Palin because they had "vagina envy". I almost don't want to talk to her anymore.

[angrymissy]

A liberal, single issue white woman who was never going to vote for a Republican anyway.

Single Issue?

Here is a shocker for you - in '00, if it was McCain v. Gore... I would have voted for the McCain of '00. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what happened to him between 00 and 08.

I'm still ol whitey. Believe me. I'm white as white can fucking be.

[JerseySean]

JerseySean has a point. People vote for many reasons. There are going to be undecided voters who will hear the spin the GOP makes of this, and vote for McCain. It cannot be ignored.

MojoPin, you may have a point, those hyping this gaffe weren't going to vote for Obama anyway, but spin spun the right way will turn true undecideds to McCain for the wrong reasons.


Like what I posted about Europe's opinion on this election. That will play heavy with people who don't like others sticking their noses in our business. They'll vote for McCain just to spite Europe.

Agreed...Im not here trying to convince you guys what he said or didnt say. The fact is it will look bad. "lipstick on a pig" is the number 3 search on google right now. This could crush him with women.

[JerseySean]

Single Issue?

Here is a shocker for you - in '00, if it was McCain v. Gore... I would have voted for the McCain of '00. I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out what happened to him between 00 and 08.

I'm still ol whitey. Believe me. I'm white as white can fucking be.

I just saw the way you take the abortion issue and discounted Palin immediately based on that. That makes you a single issue abortion candidate. Oh, and just as an FYI, Palin has never forced her beleifs on anyone. She had a multitude of opportunities to pass legislation which would have restricted abortion in alaska, but didnt.

[TheMojoPin]

It'll be interesting to see how Palin addresses this when sh-...oh, riiiiight, SOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

[HBox]

I'd just like to say I've had enough of this concern troll. He doesn't have the balls to call out McCain for distorting what Obama said, he's probably even cheering on inside. Instead he just keeps repeating the whole "I'm just saying this is gonna hurt him with those other people. That's all I'm saying!"

Enough concern trolling PLEASE.

[angrymissy]

I just saw the way you take the abortion issue and discounted Palin immediately based on that. That makes you a single issue abortion candidate. Oh, and just as an FYI, Palin has never forced her beleifs on anyone. She had a multitude of opportunities to pass legislation which would have restricted abortion in alaska, but didnt.

It's not just abortion with Palin. I'm a little insulted you would think I would research only that one thing and then not continue on in depth. I read. A lot. She does not mesh with me at all.

[TheMojoPin]

I'd just like to say I've had enough of this concern troll. He doesn't have the balls to call out McCain for distorting what Obama said, he's probably even cheering on inside. Instead he just keeps repeating the whole "I'm just saying this is gonna hurt him with those other people. That's all I'm saying!"

Enough concern trolling PLEASE.

I don't think he's trolling. He's just trying to be diplomatic. No biggie.

[JerseySean]

It'll be interesting to see how Palin addresses this when sh-...oh, riiiiight, SOOOOORRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

This weekend on ABC.....just helping you out

[angrymissy]

Just so you know, the #4 search on google is "ball jointed dolls" and that freaks me out.

[DiabloSammich]

By the time the debates are over we will forget we ever had this conversation.

[Zorro]

BTW - I love fake outrage from Republicans. They run this election into the god damned mud and Democrats are the assholes? Fuck them!

I am an Obama guy, but they have really fucked up this Palin thing. It's really hard to accuse the other side of throwing mud when yours is shoveling it as fast as you can.

[HBox]

Just so you know, the #4 search on google is "ball jointed dolls" and that freaks me out.

Election over. I for one welcome our new ball jointed doll overlords.

[JerseySean]

It's not just abortion with Palin. I'm a little insulted you would think I would research only that one thing and then not continue on in depth. I read. A lot. She does not mesh with me at all.

I just saw your posts in real time that day Missy. But, if I offended you I am sorry.

[angrymissy]

I just saw the way you take the abortion issue and discounted Palin immediately based on that. That makes you a single issue abortion candidate. Oh, and just as an FYI, Palin has never forced her beleifs on anyone. She had a multitude of opportunities to pass legislation which would have restricted abortion in alaska, but didnt.

o rly?

good luck finding those judges to approve your abortion in the gigantor state of AK.

This is something I'd like to see her address in an interview - If she would pass legislature against abortion, or keep her personal belief to herself.

http://www.lifenews.com/state3460.html

Anchorage, AK (LifeNews.com) -- As the governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin hasn't had many opportunities to address the issue of abortion, but she has promoted a pro-life position when given the opportunity. Palin took her strongest stand on the issue of parental involvement and making sure parents aren't left in the dark about their daughter's potential abortion.

The Alaska legislature approved a parental consent bill to help parents know when their minor children are considering an abortion and to give them the ability to veto the abortion.

The Alaska Supreme Court eventually declared unconstitutional on a 3-2 vote.

Palin called the high court's ruling "outrageous" and asked Attorney General Talis Colberg to file legal papers asking for a re-hearing.

"She feels parental consent is reasonable because it is required in nearly every aspect of a child's life. It's a parent's right and responsibility to be involved in their child's life," spokeswoman Sharon Leighow said at the time.

Since the decision, Governor Palin appointed Daniel Winfree of Fairbanks to replace one of the judges who sided with the majority in overturning the consent statute.

[angrymissy]

Election over. I for one welcome our new ball jointed doll overlords.

They freak me out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/1356188994_157d397f74.jpg?v=0

[DiabloSammich]

They freak me out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/1356188994_157d397f74.jpg?v=0




They're staring....into my soul.

[JerseySean]

o rly?

good luck finding those judges to approve your abortion in the gigantor state of AK.

This is something I'd like to see her address in an interview - If she would pass legislature against abortion, or keep her personal belief to herself.

http://www.lifenews.com/state3460.html

Yes, that is parental notification....common sense.



Two abortion bills that failed to pass during the regular legislative session will not be added to the agenda of a special session on a natural gas pipeline, said Governor Sarah Palin. Wasilla republican and Senate President Lyda Green made the request only to receive a biting response from Palin.

Palin questioned why Green and her fellow Wasilla republican Charlie Huggins did not exercise their ability to move the bills out of committee to a floor vote in the regular session. She also suggested that the Legislature could call itself into special session to consider the parental consent and partial birth abortion bills.

A two-thirds vote would be required to pass in both the House and Senate for any session requested by a lawmaker.

[angrymissy]

Yes, that is parental notification....common sense.

You say common sense - I say pro-life legislation, especially somewhere like Alaska, where it is not going to be easy to get in front of a judge to bypass your parents.

She's also pushing through partial birth abortion bans. She is legislating against abortion.

[scottinnj]

Election over. I for one welcome our new ball jointed doll overlords.

:clap:

They freak me out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/1356188994_157d397f74.jpg?v=0

They're staring....into my soul.


They have Hentai eyes. I dig that.

[JerseySean]

You say common sense - I say pro-life legislation, especially somewhere like Alaska, where it is not going to be easy to get in front of a judge to bypass your parents.

Alaska, is as liberterian as anywhere. Trust me it would be easier there than in New York and NJ

[angrymissy]

Alaska, is as liberterian as anywhere. Trust me it would be easier there than in New York and NJ

It's not getting a judge to approve it - it is physically getting to a judge!

AK is staunchly Red. They have not voted for a Dem for President in something like 40 years.

[JerseySean]

It's not getting a judge to approve it - it is physically getting to a judge!

AK is staunchly Red. They have not voted for a Dem for President in something like 40 years.

Its not a red/blue issue. Get out of that red/blue state mindset. California is the toughest on crime and blue as can be. Alaska is very libertarian. I dont know Alaska law but I would assume that a family court is somehwere close to where people are.

[HBox]

It's not getting a judge to approve it - it is physically getting to a judge!

AK is staunchly Red. They have not voted for a Dem for President in something like 40 years.

He's right. There's a deep libertarian streak up there.

[celery]

Obama should've known better than to say this in a post-Imus world.

Good to see we're discussing the important issues in this election. Christ, I hate our country...

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ryn1ph.jpg

[IMSlacker]

They freak me out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/1356188994_157d397f74.jpg?v=0

Oh God, I hope my daughter doesn't ask for one of those. So creepy.

[HBox]

Obama should've known better than to say this in a post-Imus world.

Good to see we're discussing the important issues in this election. Christ, I hate our country...

http://i36.tinypic.com/2ryn1ph.jpg

The McCain campaign said this wasn't about issues, and they are doing everything in their power to make it that way.

[JerseySean]

The McCain campaign said this wasn't about issues, and they are doing everything in their power to make it that way.

Go and cry about it dude. This is politics, and Obama is losing the game. Sorry but lets be honest here, this is a center left election. People are pissed at the last 8 years. At the end of the day if this is about Republican v Democrat, Republicans lose. BUT, if it is about McCain and his bio and personality vs Obama and his, McCain wins. Period.

[epo]

Go and cry about it dude. This is politics, and Obama is losing the game. Sorry but lets be honest here, this is a center left election. People are pissed at the last 8 years. At the end of the day if this is about Republican v Democrat, Republicans lose. BUT, if it is about McCain and his bio and personality vs Obama and his, McCain wins. Period.

7.5 weeks left my man. That is a damned lifetime in this game.

[A.J.]

Obama himself used similar langauge later in the day about the McCain-Palin reform rhetoric, saying "You can put lipstick on a pig," he said. "It's still a pig."

I think Obama was trying to appeal to the "rural white male vote".

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q98/dave1160/Deliverance-01.jpg

[A.J.]

They freak me out.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1144/1356188994_157d397f74.jpg?v=0

No kidding.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vXU8wClV95ZedM:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Seinfeld_s7e17.jpg/200px-Seinfeld_s7e17.jpg

[Zorro]

7.5 weeks left my man. That is a damned lifetime in this game.

You gotta admit this is kind of a fun ride

[foodcourtdruide]

You gotta admit this is kind of a fun ride

I don't know, sorta a stupid waste of time to be honest.

[Zorro]

I don't know, sorta a stupid waste of time to be honest.

It's not like our government actually works...so a little WWE type action is fun every four years...

[angrymissy]

"It would be funny," Obama said. "except the news media decided that that was the lead story yesterday."

He charged that "the McCain campaign would much rather the story be about phony and foolish diversions than about the future."

Obama said, "this happens every election cycle – every four years this is what we do. We’ve got an energy crisis,...we have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have a economy that is creating hardships for families all across America. We’ve got two wars going on – veterans coming home, not being cared for. And this is what they want to talk about. This is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about!"

Obama said, "You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It's not the Democratic candidate; it’s not the Republican candidate. It's you the American people. Because then we go another year or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you."

"Enough!" Obama said. "I don’t care what they say about me. But I love this country too much for them to take over another election with lies, and phony outrage and Swift Boat politics. Enough is enough. These are serious times and they call for a serious debate about where to take the nation..."

"Spare me the phony outrage, spare me the phony talk about change, we have real problems in this country right now," Obama continued. "The American people are looking to us for answers. Not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing. That’s the kind that I intend to have because that’s the kind of debate the American people deserve. "

FINALLY. :thumbup:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/lipstick-smear.html

[celery]

I can't believe this is real...

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[Zorro]

FINALLY. :thumbup:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/lipstick-smear.html

"It would be funny," Obama said. "except the news media decided that that was the lead story yesterday."

He charged that "the McCain campaign would much rather the story be about phony and foolish diversions than about the future."

Obama said, "this happens every election cycle – every four years this is what we do. We’ve got an energy crisis,...we have an education system that is not working for too many of our children and making us less competitive. We have a economy that is creating hardships for families all across America. We’ve got two wars going on – veterans coming home, not being cared for. And this is what they want to talk about. This is what they want to spend two of the last 55 days talking about!"

Obama said, "You know who ends up losing at the end of the day? It's not the Democratic candidate; it’s not the Republican candidate. It's you the American people. Because then we go another year or another four years or another eight years without addressing the issues that matter to you."

"Enough!" Obama said. "I don’t care what they say about me. But I love this country too much for them to take over another election with lies, and phony outrage and Swift Boat politics. Enough is enough. These are serious times and they call for a serious debate about where to take the nation..."

"Spare me the phony outrage, spare me the phony talk about change, we have real problems in this country right now," Obama continued. "The American people are looking to us for answers. Not distractions, not diversions, not manipulations. They want real answers to the real problems we are facing. That’s the kind that I intend to have because that’s the kind of debate the American people deserve. "

Isn't ginning up fake outrage exactly what Obama did to Clinton with the racist stuff ?

[HBox]

The next time anyone here goes on about the liberal media please shut up. Here you have comments that anyone with any kind of reading comprehension would realize that Obama was clearly not calling Palin a pig. But yet it's all over the news. The media is completely scandal obsessed. They will jump on anything anyone says if they can get some ratings. How accurate or fair it is doesn't matter. The ideology of who said it doesn't matter.

[Zorro]

Watching Hardball...

Matthews just told the Democratic spokesperson to be quiet because he's doing her job for her.

[epo]

Stay on message..............

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[Bossanova]

I learned two things.

Obama is ridiculous awesome and CNN does in fact equal politics

[epo]

Obama on tonight's Letterman: (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/09/10/obama_on_letterman_talks_lipst.html)

CHICAGO -- No, he has never put lipstick on a pig, Sen. Barack Obama told David Letterman in an appearance to be broadcast tonight on CBS's "The Late Show with David Letterman."

"But I think it might be fun to try," Obama said.

In defense of his critique Tuesday in Virginia of Sen. John McCain's pitch that he's a changemaker, Obama said, "It's a common expression in at least Illinois. I don't know about in NYC. I don't know what you put lipstick on here."

"Keep in mind that technically, had I meant it this way, she would be the lipstick," Obama added, referring to GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin. "The policies of John McCain would be the pig."

[JerseySean]

Bottom line, bad week for Obama. Lost week for him. And the fact of the matter is that there are a multitude of liberal media outlets and a few conservative ones. This was the media being the media. And I love how Democrats now talk about fake outrage. Trent Lott, Jesse Helms..on and on and on. BARACK OBAMA accusing others of fake outrage, stop it.

[YourAmishDaddy]

For all his political fresshess Obama simply had the same fatal flaw as John Kerry. Plus an even worse path to take being he has the default challenge of "The angry black man" image to steer clear of.

There are a few weeks left. The Obama campaign I sincerely believe has no idea who they are going up against. The foulest demons from the pit of hell, all commanded by Karl Rove. Unless this changes, and changes quickly Obama will be overwhelmed.

They have to mount a serious offensive. And stop worrying about image. For them to win, even with a standing start with around 230 electoral votes the mcCain/Palin ticket must be completely blown out of the water.

[Ritalin]

For all his political fresshess Obama simply had the same fatal flaw as John Kerry. Plus an even worse path to take being he has the default challenge of "The angry black man" image to steer clear of.

There are a few weeks left. The Obama campaign I sincerely believe has no idea who they are going up against. The foulest demons from the pit of hell, all commanded by Karl Rove. Unless this changes, and changes quickly Obama will be overwhelmed.

They have to mount a serious offensive. And stop worrying about image. For them to win, even with a standing start with around 230 electoral votes the mcCain/Palin ticket must be completely blown out of the water.

There is absolutely no basis for what you're saying here. There hasn't even been one debate. Obama is nothing like John Kerry.

[YourAmishDaddy]

There is absolutely no basis for what you're saying here. There hasn't even been one debate. Obama is nothing like John Kerry.

This week has been a big loss for Obama. My point is that there should be a more aggressive tone out of the Obama camp.

[yojimbo7248]

This week has been a big loss for Obama. My point is that there should be a more aggressive tone out of the Obama camp.

Good point. Obama could be more aggressive and learn a thing or two from the Clinton Bros. However, I am glad that we chose a candidate that won't say idiotic things just to please the lowest common denomitor in American society. The moment I completely turned on Hillary Clinton was when she was asked why she, along with McCain, was trying to cut the gas tax for the summer. The interviewer said no reputable economist said this is a good idea. She responded with some stupid crap about not relying on the experts and trusting her gut. I would rather having a losing candidate who speaks intelligently about the complexities of an issue than a winning candidate whose energy policy is 'drill, baby, dril'l and foreign policy is 'you are with us or against us'.

[foodcourtdruide]

Bottom line, bad week for Obama. Lost week for him. And the fact of the matter is that there are a multitude of liberal media outlets and a few conservative ones. This was the media being the media. And I love how Democrats now talk about fake outrage. Trent Lott, Jesse Helms..on and on and on. BARACK OBAMA accusing others of fake outrage, stop it.

Lott compared homosexuality to alcoholism.

Helms:
"There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy." The man spent his life trying to block AIDS research funding.

This is the same thing? Give me a break.

And I like how you say a "multitude" of liberal media outlets and "a few" conservative ones. Are you still holding on to the Liberal Media myth?

[JerseySean]

There is absolutely no basis for what you're saying here. There hasn't even been one debate. Obama is nothing like John Kerry.

The he should have take John McCain up on his town hall offers at the beginning of the summer. More of the same....

[JerseySean]

Lott compared homosexuality to alcoholism.

Helms:
"There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy." The man spent his life trying to block AIDS research funding.

This is the same thing? Give me a break.

And I like how you say a "multitude" of liberal media outlets and "a few" conservative ones. Are you still holding on to the Liberal Media myth?

I was referring to Trent Lott talking at a 100 year old mans birthday party.

[epo]

I was referring to Trent Lott talking at a 100 year old mans birthday party.

Trent Lott praising Strom and saying the "nation would be a better place" if he would've become president isn't really in the ballpark of the lipstick comment.

[epo]

Alright, I'm going to give the Obama campaign some advice:

1. Stay on message. I say it all of the time, but it's true. Stop talking about Sarah Palin, you are only enabling her unqualified ass. Make this campaign about energy, foreign and economic policy. That is all Senator Obama should be talking about.

2. Call McCain a fucking liar. Do it and do it often. One of his greatest strengths is "Straight talk" and "Maverick"...and take it away from him. Stop calling him a "good man"...and ask the hard questions about him being a freaking sell-out and a phony. Question his ads and the lies they are telling the public. (Such as electric bill taxes, sex talks with kindergarteners and more taxes for the common man.)

3. Make McCain look like a pussy. McCain's other great strength is that he is a tough guy...so take it away from him. Why is this woman fighting his battles? Goad them into a conversation about "Who is running this ticket?" This makes McCain look weak and not in charge.

[foodcourtdruide]

Trent Lott praising Strom and saying the "nation would be a better place" if he would've become president isn't really in the ballpark of the lipstick comment.

Really odd to bring up Lott and Helms.

[Ritalin]

Alright, I'm going to give the Obama campaign some advice:

1. Stay on message. I say it all of the time, but it's true. Stop talking about Sarah Palin, you are only enabling her unqualified ass. Make this campaign about energy, foreign and economic policy. That is all Senator Obama should be talking about.

2. Call McCain a fucking liar. Do it and do it often. One of his greatest strengths is "Straight talk" and "Maverick"...and take it away from him. Stop calling him a "good man"...and ask the hard questions about him being a freaking sell-out and a phony. Question his ads and the lies they are telling the public. (Such as electric bill taxes, sex talks with kindergarteners and more taxes for the common man.)

3. Make McCain look like a pussy. McCain's other great strength is that he is a tough guy...so take it away from him. Why is this woman fighting his battles? Goad them into a conversation about "Who is running this ticket?" This makes McCain look weak and not in charge.

I think he's making himself look like a pussy, and out of control with what is happening to his campaign.

[Zorro]

I think he's making himself look like a pussy, and out of control with what is happening to his campaign.

You are talking about Obama right? Because if you mean McCain you gotta be kidding. He looks like a fucking genius. He's out there getting out his message and the other side is fighting the bottom of the ticket. And I'm sure the "why have a woman fight your battles" would go over great with people that already think your being sexist.

[JerseySean]

Alright, I'm going to give the Obama campaign some advice:

1. Stay on message. I say it all of the time, but it's true. Stop talking about Sarah Palin, you are only enabling her unqualified ass. Make this campaign about energy, foreign and economic policy. That is all Senator Obama should be talking about.

2. Call McCain a fucking liar. Do it and do it often. One of his greatest strengths is "Straight talk" and "Maverick"...and take it away from him. Stop calling him a "good man"...and ask the hard questions about him being a freaking sell-out and a phony. Question his ads and the lies they are telling the public. (Such as electric bill taxes, sex talks with kindergarteners and more taxes for the common man.)

3. Make McCain look like a pussy. McCain's other great strength is that he is a tough guy...so take it away from him. Why is this woman fighting his battles? Goad them into a conversation about "Who is running this ticket?" This makes McCain look weak and not in charge.

I agree with you, but when Obama does this he, looks like a phony. His only option is for his campaign to unload some opp research next week. He NEEDS to guarantee a good week next week, and that is the only way to do it. Look for some shit to be leaked to the press early next week.

[foodcourtdruide]

You are talking about Obama right? Because if you mean McCain you gotta be kidding. He looks like a fucking genius. He's out there getting out his message and the other side is fighting the bottom of the ticket. And I'm sure the "why have a woman fight your battles" would go over great with people that already think your being sexist.

If by "his message" is "Obama is the boogey-man" I agree with you.

[JerseySean]

If by "his message" is "Obama is the boogey-man" I agree with you.

No, McCain is out there talking about change, reform, taxes and jobs while Obama talks about lipstick. Bad week for Barry Soestro

[foodcourtdruide]

No, McCain is out there talking about change, reform, taxes and jobs while Obama talks about lipstick. Bad week for Barry Soestro

Yeah, McCain's campaign hasn't addressed the lipstick issue at all.

Actually, the lipstick comment was made during a policy discussion Obama was having.

[JerseySean]

Yeah, McCain's campaign hasn't addressed the lipstick issue at all.

Actually, the lipstick comment was made during a policy discussion Obama was having.

So you dont see how this was advetageous to john McCain and his messgae?

[TheMojoPin]

Obama was never talking about lipstick. I'm sorry if the idea of metaphors are terrifying and strange, but McCain "wastes his time" using them with basically every speech, too.

[foodcourtdruide]

So you dont see how this was advetageous to john McCain and his messgae?

We'll see on election day. I think some people will see this as false outrage and some people think it's legitimate. I don't know how many people specifically think either way and I don't trust polling, so only time will tell.

[foodcourtdruide]

Obama was never talking about lipstick. I'm sorry if the idea of metaphors are terrifying and strange, but McCain "wastes his time" using them with basically every speech, too.

The most fucking bizarre part of this whole thing is that McCain used the same metaphor when talking about Hillary Clinton. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone.

[epo]

Note to Obama: The enemy is NOT Governor Palin.

Take the topic of rape kits. Governor Palin's votes don't matter, John McCain's do. So when the media asks you about the topic of rape kits:

Q: "What do you think about Governor Palin's policies in Alaska against funding rape kits?"

A: "It's a shame that Governor Palin has her view, but what really concerns me is that Senator John McCain voted against federally funding the kits in 1994 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=2&vote=00295) that Joe Biden supported. Furthermore John McCain voted against funding the kits as recently as 2007 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00372).

It's obvious to me that John McCain is not in the mainstream."

Remember...McCain is your enemy.

[brettmojo]

No, McCain is out there talking about change,
Copy cat.

[Ritalin]

You are talking about Obama right? Because if you mean McCain you gotta be kidding. He looks like a fucking genius. He's out there getting out his message and the other side is fighting the bottom of the ticket. And I'm sure the "why have a woman fight your battles" would go over great with people that already think your being sexist.

I just don't see it. If anything, I think McCain looks confused and muddled.

[scottinnj]

Note to Obama: The enemy is NOT Governor Palin.

Take the topic of rape kits. Governor Palin's votes don't matter, John McCain's do. So when the media asks you about the topic of rape kits:

Q: "What do you think about Governor Palin's policies in Alaska against funding rape kits?"

A: "It's a shame that Governor Palin has her view, but what really concerns me is that Senator John McCain voted against federally funding the kits in 1994 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=2&vote=00295) that Joe Biden supported. Furthermore John McCain voted against funding the kits as recently as 2007 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00372).

It's obvious to me that John McCain is not in the mainstream."

Remember...McCain is your enemy.


Now that's a sniper locked on target. I'd be proud to be his spotter.

[YourAmishDaddy]

Because if you mean McCain you gotta be kidding. He looks like a fucking genius.

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[epo]

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Now there is an example!

Obama...hammer him on this "Russia is next to Alaska" so she's good on foreign policy bullshit!

[HBox]

Now there is an example!

Obama...hammer him on this "Russia is next to Alaska" so she's good on foreign policy bullshit!

Somebody needs to tell this ticket that the Shadow Moses Incident was fiction.

(I hope someone gets that.)

[YourAmishDaddy]

Yeah. And she knows more than ANYONE else about energy.

She's a regular T Boone Pickens, this broad.

[scottinnj]

Somebody needs to tell this ticket that the Shadow Moses Incident was fiction.

(I hope someone gets that.)

Sort of, but I don't own a PS or XBox.

[scottinnj]

Yeah. And she knows more than ANYONE else about energy.

She's a regular T Boone Pickens, this broad.

Oh my God-McCain really fucked up with this pick for VP.

And my gut is telling me he's going to win-and that really, really pisses me off that the McCain campaign is getting away with half of this shit.

[HBox]

Sort of, but I don't own a PS or XBox.

You don't?

Why don't you go back to Russia you dirty commie.

[JerseySean]

Oh my God-McCain really fucked up with this pick for VP.

And my gut is telling me he's going to win-and that really, really pisses me off that the McCain campaign is getting away with half of this shit.

you guys are living in a bubble. It is almost like the ronfez netters are sitting in war room with no connection to people or outside information. Palin has DESTROYED the Obama ticket over the last two weeks. Poll after poll shows it. Take a deep breath and watch what has happened here. the Dems had a fucked up two weeks, now they need to breathe, calm the fuck down, stay on message and hammer away. I dont thin Obama has the discipline.

[mikeyboy]

You don't?

Why don't you go back to Russia you dirty commie.

It's just a hop skip and a jump from Alaska.

[scottinnj]

You don't?

Why don't you go back to Russia you dirty commie.

This is the first time on this board I have ever been called a commie. I'm dizzy, weak and naseous now. I feel like hanging myself with the American Flag.

Happy now HBox? Happy?

[HBox]

This is the first time on this board I have ever been called a commie. I'm dizzy, weak and naseous now. I feel like hanging myself with the American Flag.

Happy now HBox? Happy?

Don't forget to burn it first COMRADE!

[scottinnj]

you guys are living in a bubble. It is almost like the ronfez netters are sitting in war room with no connection to people or outside information. Palin has DESTROYED the Obama ticket over the last two weeks. Poll after poll shows it. Take a deep breath and watch what has happened here. the Dems had a fucked up two weeks, now they need to breathe, calm the fuck down, stay on message and hammer away. I dont thin Obama has the discipline.

You just quoted me saying I think McCain/Palin are going to win, which means I've heard about a poll or two out there, and yet you think I live in a bubble? I told epo and Mojo LAST WEEK to make sure the Obama ticket campaigns until midnight the eve of the election like they are 10 points behind, no matter what the polling data says because they cannot afford to relax.

[scottinnj]

Don't forget to burn it first COMRADE!

HBox is now scottinnj's board nemesis. Prepare for battle Prince of Anarchy! The Pale Rider comes, and he comes for YOU!!

[brettmojo]

Yeah. And she knows more than ANYONE else about energy.
Yup, her daughters seem full of it.

[JerseySean]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-11dd-99a9-000077b07658.html

Uh Oh

[celery]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6c2f69ce-8031-11dd-99a9-000077b07658.html
Uh Oh
It's pretty easy to cherry pick opinions though, isn't it. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm sure there are differing opinions out there, regardless of party line. Finding someone who has the same opinion as you really doesn't vindicate anything.

.

[Ritalin]

I wish there was a board character named "Peanut Butter" and that they would quote Celery.

mmm delicious.

[nate1000]

Somebody needs to tell this ticket that the Shadow Moses Incident was fiction.

(I hope someone gets that.)

Hey, f$@khead- no spoilers. I haven't played 4 yet.




(See, I got it there, HBox)

[scottinnj]

Get your T-shirts! Get your Obama Superhero T-shirts! (http://www.stylinonline.com/barrackobama.html)
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/stylinonline_2017_199542751


Yech!

[epo]

Get your T-shirts! Get your Obama Superhero T-shirts! (http://www.stylinonline.com/barrackobama.html)
http://us.st12.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/stylinonline_2017_199542751


Yech!

There is a buck to be had...so an independent group is there to press some t-shirts!

Ain't that America?

[scottinnj]

There is a buck to be had...so an independent group is there to press some t-shirts!

Ain't that America?

If you wear one at the inauguration, let me know first so I can stay faaaaar away from you.

[epo]

Obama seems to be back on message:

1. McCain is a liar.
2. Obama will help the regular person.
3. McCain = Bush.
4. Obama is real change.

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[Westley]

this is the first election i can vote in and they both suck! lolol an old man and a black guy? yuck! lolol

[AKA]

this is the first election i can vote in and they both suck! lolol an old man and a black guy? yuck! lolol

Please stay home election day.

[epo]

Senator Obama sets new record for fundraising in August: (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aoxdLvZGstU0&refer=home)

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama raised more than $66 million for his campaign against Republican John McCain last month in a one-month record.

The Obama campaign added 500,000 new donors en route to surpassing a previous monthly record of $55 million, campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in an e-mail.

I guess this shoots those "rumors" by the right-wing that Obama was having trouble raising money right in the ass.

[Zorro]

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/poll-shows-new-york-is-possible-presidential/85853/

Poll Shows New York Is Possible Presidential Battleground

New York could become a surprise battleground in this year's presidential election, with Senator McCain rapidly dissolving Senator Obama's lead in the Empire State, according to a new poll.
The poll by Siena Research Institute, conducted September 8-10, found that Mr. Obama holds a narrow 46-41% lead among likely voters, barely outside the survey's 3.9% margin of error. These numbers represent a decline for Mr. Obama, who led by 8% in the same poll in August, 13% in July, and 18% in June.


I realize it's from the NY Sun, but Siena is a pretty reliable polling outfit

[Dude!]

There is a buck to be had...so an independent group is there to press some t-shirts!

Ain't that America?

damn
that picture on the-shirt looks just like
oj
no more like sammy davis

but then
they all.....

[AKA]

damn
that picture on the-shirt looks just like
oj
no more like sammy davis

but then
they all.....

http://www.bartcop.com/salute-dogz.JPG

[epo]

Who gave Senator Biden the "on message" pill? You only really need to watch the first couple of minutes to get his point.

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"The sequel is always worse than the original". Damn.

I like this version of Biden.

[Zorro]

Who gave Senator Biden the "on message" pill? You only really need to watch the first couple of minutes to get his point.

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"The sequel is always worse than the original". Damn.

I like this version of Biden.

Although I thought Biden was an uninspired choice if he keeps doing this he might change my mind.

[scottinnj]

Although I thought Biden was an uninspired choice if he keeps doing this he might change my mind.

He's just warming up. And the Obama campaign needs to quit giving Obama the zingers in his speeches, just leave that to 'ol Joe.

[Zorro]

Not glomming on to people's pain, but this Lehman/Merrill/AIG thing is right in Obama's wheelhouse...it's a game changer

[epo]

Not glomming on to people's pain, but this Lehman/Merrill/AIG thing is right in Obama's wheelhouse...it's a game changer

If this election is about domestic issues, McCain is in a world of trouble. And you'll see this quote from McCain a bunch:

“The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.”

Obama will be up by 5 by Friday. But there is still 7 weeks to go....which is a lifetime.

[epo]

Biden was an axe murderer today:

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[scottinnj]

Now that the "Lipstick" hype has settled down over the weekend, I think I see the Obama campaign getting back into the game. I have more to criticize about the McCain camp then I do the Obama camp. Looks like they're back up to speed.

[Dude!]

Biden was an axe murderer today:

speaking of axes
it looks like bidens plastic surgeon used an ax instead of a laser or scalpel

someone botched this guys face lift and hair plugs big-time

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080907/i/r2096348575.jpg?

[epo]

speaking of axes
it looks like bidens plastic surgeon used an ax instead of a laser or scalpel

someone botched this guys face lift and hair plugs big-time

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080907/i/r2096348575.jpg?

I'm sorry that's all you've got.

[scottinnj]

If only Bush had looked into Putin's eyes with this expression:

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20080907/i/r2096348575.jpg?

See how I turned that into a funny?