2009 MLB Playoffs Thread - "Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?!?"

[PhishHead]

DON'T BE OBTUSE.

What did you call me?

[El Mudo]

PUT HIM IN THE HALL.


I love reading about Barry Bonds' comically awesome seasons!!

I'm trying to decide if I like the 2004 season (where he OPS'd 1.422 and OPS+'d 263, had an OBP of .609 and was intentionally walked 120 times) or the 2002 season, (OPS of 1.381, OPS+ of 268, OBP of .582) more

[Jesus Christ]

I'll hit that motherfucker clear over the walls of Jericho.

[TheMojoPin]

I love reading about Barry Bonds' comically awesome seasons!!

I'm trying to decide if I like the 2004 season (where he OPS'd 1.422 and OPS+'d 263, had an OBP of .609 and was intentionally walked 120 times) or the 2002 season, (OPS of 1.381, OPS+ of 268, OBP of .582) more

He's like a real life superhero, and we should love him accordingly.

[PhishHead]

He's like a real life superhero, and we should love him accordingly.

Green Lantern love or Shadowhawk love?

[TheMojoPin]

Green Lantern love or Shadowhawk love?

Captain America love.

[PhishHead]

Captain America love.

to me that means eh.

[TheMojoPin]

Who the hell loves Green Lantern?

Spider-Man love.

[hammersavage]

Pujols is even gonna steal 25 bases this year.

[razorboy]

Pujols is even gonna steal 25 bases this year.

And still pretend that he's clean.

[TheMojoPin]

As much as I hate the Cardinals, I've never been able to bring myself to hate Pujols. He's just too amazing.

[TheMojoPin]

The Padres/Astros game at Petco today has been delayed by....BEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!

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[Gvac]

The Padres/Astros game at Petco today has been delayed by....BEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!

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I thought they were dying off at an alarming rate?

I know I've killed at least a dozen of them on my porch so far this year.

And the Reds won again today!

2 in a row motherfuckers!!!

[Fallon]

The Padres/Astros game at Petco today has been delayed by....BEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!

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This was heard moments before in the Astros dugout...

"Or what? You’ll release the dogs, or the bees, or the dogs with bees in their mouths and when they bark they shoot bees at you? Well, go ahead.. do your worst!"

[brettmojo]

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[TheMojoPin]

Monday handed the flag to Dodgers pitcher Doug Rau. Lasorda was the 3rd base coach for the Dodgers that game and ran out to confront the guys who tried to burn the flag.

What does that have to do anything? A year later in the WS Rau and Lasorda had a famous confrontation on the mound:

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Hilarity.

[Pestz4Evah]

"We humans, we make mistakes...dere was only one man that was perfect, and dey keel him, so...that's how I look at life." (http://www.memoriesofkevinmalone.com/2009/07/manny-with-quote-of-year.html)

:laugh:

[disneyspy]

the brewers are nat'l tv,how safe does epo feel with an 11 to 2 lead?

[A.J.]

Monday handed the flag to Dodgers pitcher Doug Rau. Lasorda was the 3rd base coach for the Dodgers that game and ran out to confront the guys who tried to burn the flag.

What does that have to do anything? A year later in the WS Rau and Lasorda had a famous confrontation on the mound:

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Hilarity.

That would have made Earl Weaver blush.

[epo]

No Yovani Gallardo or Trevor Hoffman? Charlie Manuel should be ashamed of himself.

[El Mudo]

Monday handed the flag to Dodgers pitcher Doug Rau. Lasorda was the 3rd base coach for the Dodgers that game and ran out to confront the guys who tried to burn the flag.

What does that have to do anything? A year later in the WS Rau and Lasorda had a famous confrontation on the mound:

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Hilarity.



Best part of that clip is the wacky organ music playing in the background the entire time

[brettmojo]

Why does MLB act like where they get the mud to rub up the baseball with is such an area 51?

[foodcourtdruide]

LOL, Dodgers fan just called in Mad Dog offerring Juan Pierre and "2 AAA pitchers" for Halladay.

[joeyballsack]

So, Halladay is on the market.

Do the Yankees have enough in their system to bring him in the fold ? I know they have the financial resources, but do they have enough players to send back in return ?

[TheMojoPin]

So, Halladay is on the market.

Do the Yankees have enough in their system to bring him in the fold ? I know they have the financial resources, but do they have enough players to send back in return ?

No.

I'm actually scared of Halladay being available because the Brewers have some serious parts to get him. If their GM wises up and makes their two "untouchable" prospects available as the centerpiece of a package to get him, get ready to see Roy in Milwuakee through next year.

[K.C.]

This may be the first time I've heard Costas do baseball play-by-play in like 15 years.

It would have to go back to when CBS used to have the World Series.

[K.C.]

So, Halladay is on the market.

Do the Yankees have enough in their system to bring him in the fold ? I know they have the financial resources, but do they have enough players to send back in return ?

Actually, if the Yankees or Mets are willing to take all of Vernon Wells' contract, they could get Halladay.

But they can't get Halladay by himself...neither have nor are willing to part with the asking price.

[TheGameHHH]

did anybody see the weirdness between the Pirates and Nationals tonight with players getting swaped between the game?

[El Mudo]

did anybody see the weirdness between the Pirates and Nationals tonight with players getting swaped between the game?

The Nats were finishing up a suspended game with the Astros. The pitcher of record for the Nats was Joel Hanrahan, who's since been traded to Pittsburgh. Nats won the game in extra innings walk off, so he got the win, even though he's no longer with the franchise.

Some other facts:

The Washington Nationals today completed a game that lasted 11 innings and took precisely 65 days, five hours and 40 minutes. Between the first pitch and the winning run, the Nationals replaced six members of their bullpen, traded their pitcher of record (Joel Hanrahan), fired their pitching coach, sent their starting pitcher to the disabled list, activated him from the disabled list, and demoted Elijah Dukes while he stood on first base. Technically speaking.

As much a curiosity as a baseball game, today's 11-10 Washington win against Houston at Minute Maid Park -- the conclusion of a suspended game from May 5 -- resembled the sporting equivalent of an unearthed time capsule. Once upon a time, back at Nationals Park, the Nationals and Astros were slogging through the 11th inning of a 10-10 game... and then the skies opened up. Both sides waited out a 1-hour, 16-minute rain delay, until the umps called the game. Then both teams went about their merry ways, agreeing to resume this paused game in a new city, where the Nationals wore their road grays and used the visiting clubhouse but called themselves the home team.

The Nationals, once the game resumed, had some built-in advantages, and they came in handy. They had a runner on first, one out; the stadium PA announcer explained as much to the several thousand that showed up early. What the announcer didn't say, though:

On May 5, Dukes had stood on first. Now, Washington used Nyjer Morgan, its fastest player, acquired in a trade with the Pirates.

On May 5, Willingham was coming to bat with a .135 average. Now, he had a .290 average.

After just seven minutes, eight pitches, and one fielding error, Washington won the game. Willingham zipped a solid single to left, putting runners on first and second. With that, catcher Josh Bard came up to pinch-hit for Hanrahan, who'd just so happened to be part of the trade package that netted Morgan.

Bard chopped a 2-2 pitch from LaTroy Hawkins toward second base, an ideal double-play ball. But after taking the toss from second baseman Jeff Keppinger, shortstop Miguel Tejada sailed his throw above first baseman Lance Berkman. Morgan crossed home uncontested, and immediately exchanged high-fives with Willingham, all part of a restrained post-game celebration.

[cougarjake13]

No.

I'm actually scared of Halladay being available because the Brewers have some serious parts to get him. If their GM wises up and makes their two "untouchable" prospects available as the centerpiece of a package to get him, get ready to see Roy in Milwuakee through next year.

i cant see them making a trade 2 years in a row for a top of the game pitcher just to lose him

[TheMojoPin]

i cant see them making a trade 2 years in a row for a top of the game pitcher just to lose him

Though Halladay would come signed through 2010.

[scottinnj]

One of the reporters here in Philly that covers the Phillies is saying the Phils are looking to sign Halladay too, but I'm afraid it would cost us more in talent & potential payroll money then he's worth.

Story is on Facebook HERE (http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/note.php?note_id=52052599955&ref=nf)

It's mainly on management looking at Martinez, but the subject moves from him to Halladay in the middle of the article.

[Suspect Chin]

First no-hitter of the year and the first one since Zambrano in 2008.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_sp_ba_ga_su/bbn_padres_giants

[Pestz4Evah]

First no-hitter of the year and the first one since Zambrano in 2008.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_sp_ba_ga_su/bbn_padres_giants

And his Dad was there, seeing him start a game for the first time. Pretty great.

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[cougarjake13]

Though Halladay would come signed through 2010.

ahh


i thought he was done after this season

[Pestz4Evah]

I'd go gay for Matt Kemp.

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[Pestz4Evah]

Batting Stance Guy is the best.

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[epo]

At least Prince beat Nelson Cruz for the HR Derby. That would've been embarassing.

[cougarjake13]

At least Prince beat Nelson Cruz for the HR Derby. That would've been embarassing.

i hope prince is a met soon

[epo]

i hope prince is a met soon

I hate you.

[MC Pee Pants]

Can I post about the "celebrity" softball game here? Ashanti's ass jiggled in slow motion....what good nature fun.

[hammersavage]

1)How does ESPN not feel dirty for airing footage of the old HomeRun Derby's like it was all so majestic? Seeing Palmiero and McGwire and Bonds hit 500 ft home runs feels really dirty now. Just show the Griffey, Thomas, Hamilton highlights please.

2)Where was Justin Morneau? Did he turn down the invite or were they too stupid to invite the defending champ?

[brettmojo]

1)2)Where was Justin Morneau? Did he turn down the invite
Yes

[TheMojoPin]

1)How does ESPN not feel dirty for airing footage of the old HomeRun Derby's like it was all so majestic? Seeing Palmiero and McGwire and Bonds hit 500 ft home runs feels really dirty now. Just show the Griffey, Thomas, Hamilton highlights please.

Shut up, pussywillow. Just cover your eyes with your dainty hands so your delicate sensibilities aren't offended.

Prince was walloping the hell out of the ball last night, but the slow-motion replays looked almost exactly like this:

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/6/6d/Hmoe.jpg

[hammersavage]

Shut up, pussywillow.

I would report this but I'd just be reporting it to you

[TheMojoPin]

I would report this but I'd just be reporting it to you

I AM THE POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

[epo]

I would report this but I'd just be reporting it to you

I reported it Nancy. Somebody has to watch out for pussywillow nerds like you.

[hammersavage]

And seriously, if there was ever a year to embrace the old home run derby's and the history, it was this year. But thanks for replaying those fond memories of McGwire with muscles tearing open his shirt hitting 550 foot homeruns while Berman came all over himself. And then next week they will ask 'why haven't fans backlashed more against steroids' after they cram that lovefest down our throat. Such asswipes.

[TheMojoPin]

Now you're just being ridiculous.

It's one thing that people get their saucy thongs in a bunch over steroids in regular season play, but do we REALLY need to act like it was such a horrible thing in the context of the fucking home run derby?!? Jesus Christ, it's a fucking freak show to begin with.

[hammersavage]

Now you're just being ridiculous.

It's one thing that people get their saucy thongs in a bunch over steroids in regular season play, but do we REALLY need to act like it was such a horrible thing in the context of the fucking home run derby?!? Jesus Christ, it's a fucking freak show to begin with.

The steroid use isn't what bothers me. The celebration of it one moment, then the condemnation of it the next is what bothers me.

[TheMojoPin]

I agree in that regard. In the end it's just baseball. All of those players played and all of those seasons happened. Pretending like it didn't happen is just stupid. Trying to figure out who did or didn't do what after the fact is even stupider.

[hammersavage]

I agree in that regard. In the end it's just baseball. All of those players played and all of those seasons happened. Pretending like it didn't happen is just stupid. Trying to figure out who did or didn't do what after the fact is even stupider.

There is a difference between 'pretending it didn't happen' and embracing it. Again, put it in historical context by showing clips from the old derby's from the 50's and 60's that had Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle. Even when it started in the modern game in the mid 80's. I know those are less exciting but to trip all over yourself to praise that McGwire/Sosa/Palmiero/Giambi/Bonds display and celebrate it is so disingenuous to everything else you say about the steroid era. Show some tact and creativity.

[TheMojoPin]

There is a difference between 'pretending it didn't happen' and embracing it. Again, put it in historical context by showing clips from the old derby's from the 50's and 60's that had Hank Aaron and Mickey Mantle. Even when it started in the modern game in the mid 80's. I know those are less exciting but to trip all over yourself to praise that McGwire/Sosa/Palmiero/Giambi/Bonds display and celebrate it is so disingenuous to everything else you say about the steroid era. Show some tact and creativity.

We should embrace it. Nobody was caught at the time of those clips. It's stupid to shun whole eras of baseball over heresay or revelations after the fact. People cheat in baseball. They've always cheated, they cheated then and there are people cheating right now. There are going to be multitudes of new forms of cheating down the line for as long as this game exists. All of this stuff happened and time went by. To act like we should be stunned or appalled after the fact is absurd. That was amazing baseball and it was the product of its era. It's not like a select few players were reaping the benefits: if anything, it's looking more and more like if you were one of the best or even better players then you were probably on something at some point. The playing field was still effectively levelled. It should be appreciated and remembered like any other era of baseball.

[hammersavage]

We should embrace it. Nobody was caught at the time of those clips. It's stupid to shun whole eras of baseball over heresay or revelations after the fact. People cheat in baseball. They've always cheated, they cheated then and there are people cheating right now. There are going to be multitudes of new forms of cheating down the line for as long as this game exists. All of this stuff happened and time went by. To act like we should be stunned or appalled after the fact is absurd. That was amazing baseball and it was the product of its era. It's not like a select few players were reaping the benefits: if anything, it's looking more and more like if you were one of the best or even better players then you were probably on something at some point. The playing field was still effectively levelled. It should be appreciated and remembered like any other era of baseball.

You don't get it.


THEY say how appalling it is. THEY question why fans don't care about it. Then THEY embrace it like that. I could give two shits about what you think about steroids, I don't care. THEY do.

[TheMojoPin]

It's not just "them" (ESPN). I'm talking about everyone: players, press, fans, etc., who either want to condemn it after the fact or waffle as you're talking about. I look at either approach as being stupid.

[hammersavage]

Starvin' for a waffle

[Fallon]

SportsCenter was embracing Manny today during their first half highlights. It was almost like he came back from an injury, not a suspension.

[hammersavage]

SportsCenter was embracing Manny today during their first half highlights. It was almost like he came back from an injury, not a suspension.

Another good example. I don't care how you feel about steroids, the league obviously has a problem with them because they suspend people for taking them. Then they celebrate his triumphant return when he comes back yet wonders why Mannywood is still there. Pick a side, faggots

[TheMojoPin]

Another good example. I don't care how you feel about steroids, the league obviously has a problem with them because they suspend people for taking them. Then they celebrate his triumphant return when he comes back yet wonders why Mannywood is still there. Pick a side, faggots

Why? He got suspended, he served his suspension....now he's back. He's one of the most popular players ever. Why actively condemn him after he's served his punishment?

[Fallon]

Why? He got suspended, he served his suspension....now he's back. He's one of the most popular players ever. Why actively condemn him after he's served his punishment?

Everyone else is treated that way. But I guess they never got suspended, so I guess that's why people still have ill feeling towards them,

[lleeder]

i hope pedro signs with the yankees next that way he can be on both sides of two different rivalries

[TheGameHHH]

i hope pedro signs with the yankees next that way he can be on both sides of two different rivalries

HAHA....like the Yankes would ever sign an aging pitcher past his prime

[foodcourtdruide]

I saw the name of the article on ESPN INSIDER:

"Giants looking to unload Zito"

Uhh.... ya think? Hold on, a team wants to get rid of a pitcher that makes $18 million a year, has multiple years left on his contract, and has pitched with an ERA of around 5 since you signed him 3 years ago?

Where do they get these scoops?!?!

[topless_mike]

i hope pedro signs with the yankees next that way he can be on both sides of two different rivalries

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[SP1!]

It was fun to listen to mets fans tonight at turner field slowly realize they were going to lose and it had to be chipper that drove in the winning run, god I hate the obnoxious mets fans.

[cougarjake13]

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[TheGameHHH]

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[epo]

According to the Toronto Sun there were 4 teams in attendance for Roy Halladay's start today: (http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/ken_fidlin/2009/07/19/10184436-sun.html)

Pat Gillick, who stepped down last fall as GM of the Philadelphia Phillies, but remains a key adviser to current GM Ruben Amaro; Gord Ash, the former Jays GM and now assistant to Milwaukee Brewers GM Doug Melvin; Texas Rangers scout Don Welke; and, intriguingly, Chicago White Sox minority owner Eddie Einhorn, all were among the interested on hand for yesterday's second game of the weekend series between the Jays and Boston Red Sox.

I'm guessing we are looking at advantage Philadelphia on this one.

[cougarjake13]

mlb network reported the blue jays approached the mets with this deal



halladay for

fernando martinez, bobby parnell, jon neise, and ruben tejada

[K.C.]

mlb network reported the blue jays approached the mets with this deal



halladay for

fernando martinez, bobby parnell, jon neise, and ruben tejada


Roughly equivalent to a blue chip OF prospect, a solid relief pitching prospect (Parnell does not have as good a ceiling as Chris Perez, whom the Cards traded for DeRosa), a #4-#5 starter, and a potential super-utility infielder that may have an average starting ceiling.

So if Heyman is correct, the Blue Jays' asking price has come way down.

In Phillies terms, that's roughly equivalent to Michael Taylor, Carlos Carrasco, Yohan Flande, and Jason Donald.


If that's the case, Halladay will certainly be traded.


Now, as for the Mets, they shouldn't have made the deal. They'd destroy what's left of their farm system, and Halladay would not make the Mets a playoff team. There's too many holes right now.

[NickyL0885]

mlb network reported the blue jays approached the mets with this deal



halladay for

fernando martinez, bobby parnell, jon neise, and ruben tejada

Hmmmm Replace either Niese or F-Mart with someone else, and Id do it. Nick Evans instead of F-Mart or Niese?

[TheMojoPin]

I'm sorry, the more I think about it if that actually was the deal the Mets turned down...goddamn. Omar is an idiot if that's the case. You can get Halladay for that you do it. Having Santana-Hallday is something you do not pass up. The Mets have holes, but Reyes and Beltran will likely be over their injuries by next season. They pretty much would just have to figure out how to replace Delgado on at least just a serviceable level and they could very easily win it all next year a la the 2001 Diamondbacks with that pitching. When you can get someone like Hallday that "cheaply," fuck the farm system, you do it.

[K.C.]

I'm sorry, the more I think about it if that actually was the deal the Mets turned down...goddamn. Omar is an idiot if that's the case. You can get Halladay for that you do it. Having Santana-Hallday is something you do not pass up. The Mets have holes, but Reyes and Beltran will likely be over their injuries by next season. They pretty much would just have to figure out how to replace Delgado on at least just a serviceable level and they could very easily win it all next year a la the 2001 Diamondbacks with that pitching. When you can get someone like Hallday that "cheaply," fuck the farm system, you do it.

I'm not disputing the logic.

But they have to replace half their starting eight this offseason (if you include Castillo), add at least one more starter on top of if they made that trade (possibly two, if you think Ollie Perez is a lost cause), and add at least one backend bullpen arm.

They had about 40 million to do all that with this offseason. If they add Halladay, that cuts you down to about 25 million to replace literally almost half their team.

And they would not be able to do it with any trades, or anything within the system, because everything they have will be gone for Halladay.


So while the Schilling/Johnson comparison would be an apt one if they made the playoffs, they'd be more like Lincecum/Cain...two aces struggling to keep their team in the race because they have nothing behind them.


One year of Halladay and no guarantee to even make the playoffs could beget many years of misery.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not disputing the logic.

But they have to replace half their starting eight this offseason (if you include Castillo), add at least one more starter on top of if they made that trade (possibly two, if you think Ollie Perez is a lost cause), and add at least one backend bullpen arm.

They had about 40 million to do all that with this offseason. If they add Halladay, that cuts you down to about 25 million to replace literally almost half their team.

And they would not be able to do it with any trades, or anything within the system, because everything they have will be gone for Halladay.


So while the Schilling/Johnson comparison would be an apt one if they made the playoffs, they'd be more like Lincecum/Cain...two aces struggling to keep their team in the race because they have nothing behind them.


One year of Halladay and no guarantee to even make the playoffs could beget many years of misery.

It would obviously be a gamble, but that's ultimately true for any team. It cannot be underemphasized how potent that 1-2 starting roation would be. They can play the maybe's of the prospects down the line or play the maybe of right now. Personally, when dealing the maybe's gets you someone like Halladay in return and you already have Santana, I think that's what you have to go with. Their team is riddled with injuries right now, but there's an excellent chance most of those players will be back and producing next year.

[K.C.]

It would obviously be a gamble, but that's ultimately true for any team. It cannot be underemphasized how potent that 1-2 starting roation would be. They can play the maybe's of the prospects down the line or play the maybe of right now. Personally, when dealing the maybe's gets you someone like Halladay in return and you already have Santana, I think that's what you have to go with. Their team is riddled with injuries right now, but there's an excellent chance most of those players will be back and producing next year.

It's a huge gamble, and not necessarily just because of the prospects.

Their entire offense would be Reyes, Beltran, and Wright next season, and while those names are attractive, there's not a lot of firepower there.

Beltran is good, but Wright's on pace for 10 HRs and 85-90 RBI as a middle of the order bat this season, and Reyes was having a terrible 2009 season before he got hurt.

Based on what they'd have to spend after adding Halladay, they'd be filling out their lineup by signing guys like Jason Kendall...bringing back Murphy and Castillo to start again next year at 1B and 2B....missing out on a lot of the top outfield talent available this offseason.

They'd score no runs. And if guys got hurt next year, they'd be right where they are this year, no matter who's pitching.

And to extend Halladay, would cost them a contract on par with Santana's....the Mets couldn't afford that.

So you'd be gambling the next 3-5 years on one year, in which everything needs to go perfect to even get into the playoffs.


The Mets are in a very bad position organizationally. They'd really almost be better off going in the opposite direction and selling a little bit this year to try and retool their offense for 2010. They need way too much help in other places.

[TheMojoPin]

You can't hold off amazing deals like that due to the "maybe's" of people getting hurt next season Netting Halladay is far better than any offseason move they could possibly make between 2009 and 2010. There's no offensive player that's going to be available that's the batting equivalent of Halladay...not even close.

[epo]

Could Soriano be any more pathetic in the outfield?

[TheMojoPin]

Could Soriano be any more pathetic in the outfield?

Yes.

He could be Ryan Braun in the outfield.

[epo]

Yes.

He could be Ryan Braun in the outfield.

Did you see Soriano DROP a fly ball last night?

You are clearly mentally unstable to make such a comment.

[SP1!]

It would obviously be a gamble, but that's ultimately true for any team. It cannot be underemphasized how potent that 1-2 starting roation would be. They can play the maybe's of the prospects down the line or play the maybe of right now. Personally, when dealing the maybe's gets you someone like Halladay in return and you already have Santana, I think that's what you have to go with. Their team is riddled with injuries right now, but there's an excellent chance most of those players will be back and producing next year.

Yeah if they could get him for that then you do it, a top 1-2 is invaluable just like when the braves had glavine/smoltz, then glavine/maddox you just cant put a price on two pitchers that can shut a team down.

As a braves fan I am getting excited about our chances for the coming future if we can get some people to hit since we have pitching to spare.

[KingModem]

Bullshittiest game in Oakland last night. Twins blew a 10 run lead, and to make it hurt worse, Cuddyer was called out sliding into home plate with 2 outs in the 9th on a passed ball, when he was in fact safe with the tying run.

Im boycotting my team for a couple days now.

[TheMojoPin]

Did you see Soriano DROP a fly ball last night?

You are clearly mentally unstable to make such a comment.

Players miss catches all the time, especially those that aren't actually outfielders. That said, Soriano is still much better than someone like Braun. His range and his arm make him a just above average fielder. He takes better routes to balls hit than Braun so less hits result because of flyballs hit to him between the two and his arm prevents more hits from becoming XBHs (or extra-XBHs) than Braun. Let me put it this way: Soriano may have more errors or spectacular screwups at the end of the season, but he's gotten more guys out or prevented more runs than Braun could even think of doing.

Don't get me wrong, Soriano is far from my idea of an ideal OFer, but you're acting like him screwing up somehow cancels huge chunks of the times when he's fine or better than fine.

[K.C.]

Just read the Pirates traded Adam LaRoche to the Giants...no word on the return package.

Pittsburgh's big overhaul continues.

[hammersavage]

Just read the Pirates traded Adam LaRoche to the Giants...no word on the return package.

Pittsburgh's big overhaul continues.

The one since 1992?

[K.C.]

It's the Red Sox...intial report was wrong.

Weird trade for the Sox...I guess Youk goes to 3B and LaRoche to 1B.

I'll be VERY interested to see the return. Pirates should get one quality prospect out of this if they did their job.

[epo]

Players miss catches all the time, especially those that aren't actually outfielders. That said, Soriano is still much better than someone like Braun. His range and his arm make him a just above average fielder. He takes better routes to balls hit than Braun so less hits result because of flyballs hit to him between the two and his arm prevents more hits from becoming XBHs (or extra-XBHs) than Braun. Let me put it this way: Soriano may have more errors or spectacular screwups at the end of the season, but he's gotten more guys out or prevented more runs than Braun could even think of doing.

Don't get me wrong, Soriano is far from my idea of an ideal OFer, but you're acting like him screwing up somehow cancels huge chunks of the times when he's fine or better than fine.

Did you just try to claim that Soriano is above average in LF? You are out of your goddamned mind.

[hammersavage]

Pirates should get one quality prospect out of this if they did their job.

:lol:

[TheMojoPin]

Did you just try to claim that Soriano is above average in LF? You are out of your goddamned mind.

Stop pretending like you understand baseball.

[PhishHead]

Stop pretending like you understand baseball.

Braun just hit a homer, does that count?

[TheMojoPin]

Braun just hit a homer, does that count?

Did he somehow do it with his glove?

If not, then no.

[PhishHead]

Did he somehow do it with his glove?

If not, then no.

maybe he did.

[Neckbeard]

Maybe he did it with his overwhelming level of douchebaggery.

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/ryan%20braun.jpg

http://www.luello.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ryan-braun2.jpg

http://cdn.afflictionclothing.com/pictures/braun.jpg

It takes a LOT for me to actually dislike a player, and this dickface is right at the top of the list as the most hatable.

[PhishHead]

Maybe he did it with his overwhelming level of douchebaggery.

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/ryan%20braun.jpg

http://www.luello.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ryan-braun2.jpg

http://cdn.afflictionclothing.com/pictures/braun.jpg

It takes a LOT for me to actually dislike a player, and this dickface is right at the top of the list as the most hatable.

I actually didn't mind him before but after seeing those pics, I absolutely hate him.

[Neckbeard]

I actually didn't mind him before but after seeing those pics, I absolutely hate him.

This made me hate him most of all:

http://clemsongirlbaseball.mlblogs.com/ryanbrauntakesoffhisshirt.jpg

Those abs are wasted on the googly-eyed monstrosity.

[underdog]

This made me hate him most of all:

http://clemsongirlbaseball.mlblogs.com/ryanbrauntakesoffhisshirt.jpg

Those abs are wasted on the googly-eyed monstrosity.

I think it just moved.

[MC Pee Pants]

Why do the Pirates keep trading their players year after year? Every feature on Ryan Brauns face is really extreme.

[K.C.]

Why do the Pirates keep trading their players year after year? Every feature on Ryan Brauns face is really extreme.

Huntington actually seems to have a plan to me and that's to have a competitive team by 2011.

Right now, they figure to have for that year:

C - Ryan Doumit (all-star caliber switch-hitting catcher)
1B - Andy LaRoche
2B -
3B - Pedro Alvarez (phenominal hitting prospect who will probably crack the bigs some time next year).
SS -
LF - Jose Tabata (young five tool hitting prospect)
CF - Andrew McCutchen
RF - Lastings Milledge/Brandon Moss/Gorkys Hernandez (all bring different skills to the table...Lastings has the most upside).

So they got a lot of piece in place for that 2011 target. They still need to fix the middle infield and part of doing that is clearing some of these contracts like LaRoche, Sanchez, and Wilson.

Pitching wise, Duke and Maholm are keepers. Ohlendorf could be a #5...they need two more quality starters be it from within or via trade.

I can see them at .500 in two years.

[MC Pee Pants]

Huntington actually seems to have a plan to me and that's to have a competitive team by 2011.

Right now, they figure to have for that year:

C - Ryan Doumit (all-star caliber switch-hitting catcher)
1B - Andy LaRoche
2B -
3B - Pedro Alvarez (phenominal hitting prospect who will probably crack the bigs some time next year).
SS -
LF - Jose Tabata (young five tool hitting prospect)
CF - Andrew McCutchen
RF - Lastings Milledge/Brandon Moss/Gorkys Hernandez (all bring different skills to the table...Lastings has the most upside).

So they got a lot of piece in place for that 2011 target. They still need to fix the middle infield and part of doing that is clearing some of these contracts like LaRoche, Sanchez, and Wilson.

Pitching wise, Duke and Maholm are keepers. Ohlendorf could be a #5...they need two more quality starters be it from within or via trade.

I can see them at .500 in two years.

They traded LaRoche to Boston though. I dunno, they've been doing it for years though.

[Marc with a c]

the pirates can thank randall simon and the kielbasa curse for their troubles.

[TheMojoPin]

They traded LaRoche to Boston though. I dunno, they've been doing it for years though.

They only traded one LaRoche. They had two.

The Pirates are definitely trading much smarter than they have in years past.

[hammersavage]

Shhhhhhh

[hammersavage]

nobody move

[hammersavage]

Always loved Buehrle

[brettmojo]

That was awesome.

Wise is a god.

[TheMojoPin]

Who's Mark Beurhle?

[hammersavage]

And Wise's catch is the most ridiculous thing ever. What a fantastic catch

[JerseyRich]

It's because he gave Obama his jacket to wear onto the field at the All-Star game last week...

That Obama is good luck I tells ya!

[Doctor Z]

Holy Christ... watched it on MLB.tv from my computer at work.

Not only a perfect game... but the play that saved it with no outs in the 9th is something you'll never see again in your life. That was incredible.

[JerseyRich]

Holy Christ... watched it on MLB.tv from my computer at work.

Not only a perfect game... but the play that saved it with no outs in the 9th is something you'll never see again in your life. That was incredible.

What happened, what happened?

I couldn't see it!

[underdog]

Damnit. I was too late to jinx it.

[Doctor Z]

With 0 out in the top of the 9th, Buehrle is throwing a perfecto... 3 outs away, didn't see who it was, but someone smacks a HR ball to left center, Wise (put in in the 9th as a defensive replacement), LEAPS, grabs the ball, pulls it back in, nearly drops it, and recovers it with his bare hand. Saves the perfect game with an incredible play. Two outs later, history is made. 18th perfect game in MLB history, 2nd in White Sox history.

[JerseyRich]

With 0 out in the top of the 9th, Buehrle is throwing a perfecto... 3 outs away, didn't see who it was, but someone smacks a HR ball to left center, Wise (put in in the 9th as a defensive replacement), LEAPS, grabs the ball, pulls it back in, nearly drops it, and recovers it with his bare hand. Saves the perfect game with an incredible play. Two outs later, history is made. 18th perfect game in MLB history, 2nd in White Sox history.


Awesome...Can't wait to get home to watch MLB network.

[Kevin]

And the perfect game catcher? The great ex Met, RAMON CASTRO!

[Doctor Z]

Calling it now: Daniel Murphy's behind-the-back flip just got taken over for 2009 Web Gem of the Year.

[TheMojoPin]

And the perfect game catcher? The great ex Met, RAMON CASTRO!

That's the best part...AJ Alphabet was denied catching the game.

[IMSlacker]

That's the best part...AJ Alphabet was denied catching the game.

Ooh, good point. I was looking for a silver lining. Thanks!

[TheMojoPin]

Good Lord, Hawk Harrelson is fucking insufferable.

He's even worse than Joe Morgan when it comes to calling a game.

[sailor]

i've never been so excited about a perfect game by a non-yankee.

[dino_electropolis]

With 0 out in the top of the 9th, Buehrle is throwing a perfecto... 3 outs away, didn't see who it was, but someone smacks a HR ball to left center, Wise (put in in the 9th as a defensive replacement), LEAPS, grabs the ball, pulls it back in, nearly drops it, and recovers it with his bare hand. Saves the perfect game with an incredible play. Two outs later, history is made. 18th perfect game in MLB history, 2nd in White Sox history.

Just saw the highlights.

Who doesnt love a perfect game? Something so amazing about it, more so than just the 27 outs.

Poor Wise though.....Buerhle will be in the record books, and wise will be forgotten. I hope buerhle takes Wise out for a good steak.

[TheMojoPin]

Man, that Wise catch is nuts. Watching it live I was impressed but seeing the replays just makes me appreciate it even more. He had to run his ass off just to get there.

Pretty amazing that this has only happened, what, 18 times?

[Marc with a c]

he had to run forever to get that ball. simply amazing. dare i say endyesque.

[Kevin]

he had to run forever to get that ball. simply amazing. dare i say endyesque.

except, they won the game...

[Marc with a c]

except, they won the game...

fuck off cunt.

[disneyspy]

fuck off cunt.

http://i30.tinypic.com/11v003o.jpg

[Kevin]

http://i30.tinypic.com/11v003o.jpg

Everyone of your sports teams get Owned.

[Marc with a c]

Everyone of your sports teams get Owned.

my dad could beat up your dad.

[disneyspy]

Everyone of your sports teams get Owned.

look at the knicks fan,look everybody at the knicks fan,point and laugh now


KEEEEEEEEEEVIN KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIN KEEEEEEEEEEVIN

[Kevin]

my dad could beat up your dad.

If he is anything like you, stud, of course he can.

[Kevin]

look at the knicks fan,look everybody at the knicks fan,point and laugh now


KEEEEEEEEEEVIN KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIN KEEEEEEEEEEVIN

Low blow..

They are TURNING IT AROUND..



































No they aren't....

[hammersavage]

except, they won the game...

that's exactly why I don't even consider it a great play. when they show that at the stadium, I look away. Its just a sad reminder

[hammersavage]

Low blow..

They are TURNING IT AROUND..



































No they aren't....

Ramon Sessions will lead you to the promised land

[Kevin]

Ramon Sessions will lead you to the promised land

I actually like him..

But they won't get him either...

[hammersavage]

Is Buerhle the most underrated pitcher of the last 10 years? I always wanted him on the Mets.

Lannan would win 15+ games on a good team.

Washburn is pitching so well that it will end up hurting the Mariners. They are too in the hunt to trade him and get some prospects, but they won't win the division anyway. He's a double edged sword.

[TheMojoPin]

Is Buerhle the most underrated pitcher of the last 10 years?

No.

He's been a very good pitcher but he's had too many stretches of being absolute dogshit even during his prime years to be considered truly underrated.

[El Mudo]

The Holliday deal has gone down... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256)

You would think the Cards would stop making deals with the A's after they got fleeced on the Mulder deal a few years ago...

[foodcourtdruide]

The Holliday deal has gone down... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256)

You would think the Cards would stop making deals with the A's after they got fleeced on the Mulder deal a few years ago...

The Cardinals really gave up a lot for Holliday.

[El Mudo]

No.

He's been a very good pitcher but he's had too many stretches of being absolute dogshit even during his prime years to be considered truly underrated.


Agreed. He's only had two seasons of a WHIP under 1.25, and his career ERA+ is 123, which means he's not that much above average, and his career DERA says he's pitched in front of decent defences. Three times in his career he's given up over 10 H/9. I'd say he's rated correctly.

[TheMojoPin]

Agreed. He's only had two seasons of a WHIP under 1.25, and his career ERA+ is 123, which means he's not that much above average, and his career DERA says he's pitched in front of decent defences. Three times in his career he's given up over 10 H/9. I'd say he's rated correctly.

Exactly. Don't get me wrong, I'd be perfectly happy to have him as #3 or even #2 pitcher, but it's pretty miraculous that he's got a perfect game and a no-hitter that was one walk away from being a perfect game. You look at the lists those feats put him on and he sticks out like a sore thumb.

[PD]

MLB Home Run says MLBXM and MLB Network are reporting the Phillies may be close to a deal that will bring Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays to the Phillies.

[hammersavage]

MLB Home Run says MLBXM and MLB Network are reporting the Phillies may be close to a deal that will bring Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays to the Phillies.

that would wrap up the Series for them.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

uggh, back to back series for that shithole of a town

they deserve maybe an Arena Bowl

[razorboy]

The Holliday deal has gone down... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4353256)

You would think the Cards would stop making deals with the A's after they got fleeced on the Mulder deal a few years ago...

The Cards got robbed blind. Mozeliak is stooooooopid.

[cougarjake13]

haren turned out good but what have colero and barton done

[TheMojoPin]

The Cards got robbed blind. Mozeliak is stooooooopid.

Yeah, Holliday is a nice boost but he's only a rental for the next couple months and they gave up a LOT.

[TheGameHHH]

Yeah, Holliday is a nice boost but he's only a rental for the next couple months and they gave up a LOT.

i know you hate the cards and all but i think you might know more about their organization then i do. do they have a shot at signing holliday after this season? cause if he protected pujols for a few years this trade is def. worth it in my opinion.

[TheMojoPin]

i know you hate the cards and all but i think you might know more about their organization then i do. do they have a shot at signing holliday after this season? cause if he protected pujols for a few years this trade is def. worth it in my opinion.

The Cardinals haven't been very big on giving out the big contracts to non-homegrown players in recent years. They tend to have a high turnover when it comes to hired guns like Holliday over the last decade. Given who Holliday's agent is and the Cardinal's spending habits I'd be surprised if they blew away everyone else when Holliday is a FA this offseason. This seems like a move to try and win this year and capitalize on a weak division since they have as good a shot as anyone in the crapshoot of the playoffs if Carpenter and Wainwright are healthy and ready to go as their 1-2 starters in the postseason.

[TheGameHHH]

The Cardinals haven't been very big on giving out the big contracts to non-homegrown players in recent years. They tend to have a high turnover when it comes to hired guns like Holliday over the last decade. Given who Holliday's agent is and the Cardinal's spending habits I'd be surprised if they blew away everyone else when Holliday is a FA this offseason. This seems like a move to try and win this year and capitalize on a weak division since they have as good a shot as anyone in the crapshoot of the playoffs if Carpenter and Wainwright are healthy and ready to go as their 1-2 starters in the postseason.

so then if they make the playoffs and then win the crapshoot, was it worth it?

[TheMojoPin]

so then if they make the playoffs and then win the crapshoot, was it worth it?

Sure, but that's a pretty big gamble to give up what they did.

[TheGameHHH]

Sure, but that's a pretty big gamble to give up what they did.

agreed and i feel like they have a little better chance with holliday now as they do with the guys they traded a few years down the line....so try to capitalize on your chances now without sacrificing too much of your future

[TheMojoPin]

agreed and i feel like they have a little better chance with holliday now as they do with the guys they traded a few years down the line....so try to capitalize on your chances now without sacrificing too much of your future

I'm curious just as to what their future plans are and whether or not they will change their buying habits. Both Holliday and DeRosa were solid pickups, but both are FA after this year and DeRosa is old and Holliday will be very expensive. Ankiel is a bust and Ludwick is shaping up to be an average hitter at best. Molina is solid and Glaus is shaping up to be a very good player and of course there's Albert but then offensively, not so much. They might be taking a run now in the realization that the next several years might be lean if they don't start spending. I'll be curious to see if Pujols considers other offers after his contract is up after 2011.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm curious just as to what their future plans are and whether or not they will change their buying habits. Both Holliday and DeRosa were solid pickups, but both are FA after this year and DeRosa is old and Holliday will be very expensive. Ankiel is a bust and Ludwick is shaping up to be an average hitter at best. Molina is solid and Glaus is shaping up to be a very good player and of course there's Albert but then offensively, not so much. They might be taking a run now in the realization that the next several years might be lean if they don't start spending. I'll be curious to see if Pujols considers other offers after his contract is up after 2011.

I wouldnt worry too much abotu Pujols leaving, not that you are. They're a storied franchise and they won't let a player like him get away....at least i dont think they would. so id take that run right now, and if it pays off they've been champs twice in the past 3 years

[Kevin]

I wouldnt worry too much abotu Pujols leaving, not that you are. They're a storied franchise and they won't let a player like him get away....at least i dont think they would. so id take that run right now, and if it pays off they've been champs twice in the past 3 years

I dunno, the Yanks are set at 1b for years.

But if the Sox don't get set with a 1B, then they will throw everything at Pujols.

I do not think the Cards can compete with the Redsox, esp if the Sox farm keeps being good and the cards are shit because of this deal.

[TheMojoPin]

I wouldnt worry too much abotu Pujols leaving, not that you are. They're a storied franchise and they won't let a player like him get away....at least i dont think they would. so id take that run right now, and if it pays off they've been champs twice in the past 3 years

There's been rumor (and it's strictly just that) that after the offseason Pujols diplomatically expressed his displeasure with the teams the Cardinals were building around and basically implied that if things didn't change he might look elsewhere after 2011. If any of that is true, then maybe trading for Holliday is a step in that direction and they're going to pull out the stops to retain him and sign another player or two of note.

[TheGameHHH]

There's been rumor (and it's strictly just that) that after the offseason Pujols diplomatically expressed his displeasure with the teams the Cardinals were building around and basically implied that if things didn't change he might look elsewhere after 2011. If any of that is true, then maybe trading for Holliday is a step in that direction and they're going to pull out the stops to retain him and sign another player or two of note.

i wouldnt take any of that, even if its true, at face value. can albert really precdict how hes gonna feel after 2011? but yea, if they sign Matt then i think thats gotta go a long way in pleasing Albert and putting a more competitve team out there for a few years. thats why i think this might be worth it, i guess.

of course, it could be an awful trade and im an idiot. id lean more toward option B

[TheMojoPin]

i wouldnt take any of that, even if its true, at face value. can albert really precdict how hes gonna feel after 2011?

If the Cardinals post their WS are any indication, yes, he probably can. They've shown little interest in anything besides giving their farm products a shot and focusing mostly on also-rans with short deals in the hopes they get hot. Granted, it hasn't been a disaster, but given how winnable the divison they're in has been they've shown little interest on capitalizing on that and having the best hitter in all of baseball. It's not like they're hurting for the money with how well they do tickets and merch-wise.

[TheGameHHH]

I wish somebody, anybody, could see the tie one of the marlins announcers is wearing. its gotta be the worst tie ive ever seen.

thats all

[KnoxHarrington]

HOF induction today: Jim Rice and Rickey Henderson.

I'm amused by all the speculation that Rickey's gonna get up there and call himself "Rickey Henderson" over and over. My guess is that he'll give a respectful, rather restrained speech.

He's on ESPN now, and I just heard him use the words "I" and "me" quite a few times, anyway.

[cougarjake13]

MLB Home Run says MLBXM and MLB Network are reporting the Phillies may be close to a deal that will bring Roy Halladay from the Blue Jays to the Phillies.

as opposed to what other teams ???

[cougarjake13]

uggh, back to back series for that shithole of a town

they deserve maybe an Arena Bowl

they have one

[TheMojoPin]

There's no sexier clubhouse in baseball than the White Sox' thanks to Ozzie Guillen:

"I don't like my players digging into each other for no reason. I'm the one that makes those calls, I'm the one that gets into the players' butts."

Rawr.

[hammersavage]

Shhhh. again....

[TheMojoPin]

Buerhle just broke the record for consecutive outs thrown by a pitcher. It was 41, and he's got 43 now by being perfect through 5 tonight against the Twins.

[K.C.]

Perfect through 5 tonight.

[PD]

Shhhh. again....

don't worry, i noticed, so im gonna jinx it.

5 down in Minnesota, 4 to go

[dino_electropolis]

you jinxing fuck.


Where's mojopin and his shitty 20k Kerry Wood performance? Buerhle 's going 1 1/2 games straight perfection.

[TheMojoPin]

you jinxing fuck.


Where's mojopin and his shitty 20k Kerry Wood performance? Buerhle 's going 1 1/2 games straight perfection.

I'm right here, dipshit.

43 straight outs is definitely more impressive than a 20k game.

[Kevin]

you jinxing fuck.


Where's mojopin and his shitty 20k Kerry Wood performance? Buerhle 's going 1 1/2 games straight perfection.

How do you Jinx a 20k game???

[TheMojoPin]

Damn.

Well, he can still get the no-no. That would still be insane to do after a perfect game.

Scratch that.

[Snoogans]

the 0-2 pitch was in there based on gamecast

[Snoogans]

and mojo is a douche

[drjoek]

Its over
What a great job

[TheMojoPin]

45 batters retired is fucking epic.

Nicely done, Buerhle.

[IMSlacker]

45 batters retired is fucking epic.

Nicely done, Buerhle.

Oh yeah, well Fukudome just hit a grounder back to the pitcher that got stuck in the pitcher's shirt. Beat that.

[TheMojoPin]

Oh yeah, well Fukudome just hit a grounder back to the pitcher that got stuck in the pitcher's shirt. Beat that.

Asian wizardry!

We'll need to get Snoogans to teach us that trick.

[PD]

45 batters retired is fucking epic.

Nicely done, Buerhle.

agreed.

[Snoogans]

Asian wizardry!

We'll need to get Snoogans to teach us that trick.

son of a bitch


you cant figure it out? You need to center your Chi

[El Mudo]

Good article about pitch counts... (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=kurkjian_tim&id=4359938)


Dusty Baker should be shot for what he did to Mark Prior and Kerry Wood


I think pitch counts are great. If I have a guy I have a bazillion dollars invested in, you're damn right i'm gonna have the guy on a strict pitch count. There are too many stories of guys flaming out from arm injuries not to.

Besides, in the era of LOOGYs, specialized relievers, and increased media scrutiny, what's the point of having a guy throw 130 pitches in meaningless games in June?

[K.C.]

Pirates just fleeced the Giants...Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson.

Alderson projects as a very good upper-rotation guy. They could conceivably be throwing Duke-Maholm-Alderson-Lincoln-Ohlendorf in a couple years.

There's a lot of talent there. Whether it pays off, remains to be seen. It wasn't too long ago they were sitting on Gorzelanny, S. Burnett, Snell, and Duke, which was a ton of talent, and three of those four fell apart.

[razorboy]

Pirates just fleeced the Giants...Freddy Sanchez for Tim Alderson.

Alderson projects as a very good upper-rotation guy. They could conceivably be throwing Duke-Maholm-Alderson-Lincoln-Ohlendorf in a couple years.

There's a lot of talent there. Whether it pays off, remains to be seen. It wasn't too long ago they were sitting on Gorzelanny, S. Burnett, Snell, and Duke, which was a ton of talent, and three of those four fell apart.

I actually thought the trade was pretty close to a wash. If anything, I thought the Giants might have got the better end of the deal.

[K.C.]

I actually thought the trade was pretty close to a wash. If anything, I thought the Giants might have got the better end of the deal.

When you consider they would have probably traded him for a salary dump and got a quasi-blue chipper back, it's a good trade for them.

Giants way overpaid.

[NickyL0885]

When you consider they would have probably traded him for a salary dump and got a quasi-blue chipper back, it's a good trade for them.

Giants way overpaid.

I think the Giants are going for it. If they make the playoffs, I wouldn't want to face them. Facing Lincecum and Cain in games 1 and 2. That's scary.

[TheMojoPin]

I think the Giants are going for it. If they make the playoffs, I wouldn't want to face them. Facing Lincecum and Cain in games 1 and 2. That's scary.

Their 15th-ranked offense isn't very scary at all.

[TheMojoPin]

I actually thought the trade was pretty close to a wash. If anything, I thought the Giants might have got the better end of the deal.

Pirates definitely were the big winners. Sanchez is old, expensive and all of his value hinges on his average.

[NickyL0885]

Their 15th-ranked offense isn't very scary at all.

If sports has shown us anything, its that anyone can get hot at any time.

[TheMojoPin]

If sports has shown us anything, its that anyone can get hot at any time.

They'd pretty much have to be atomic-hot. As good as their starting rotation would be in a playoff situation, they are horrid at scoring. That cannot be emphasized enough, even with the playoffs being a crapshoot. They're going to be so far behind any other team they'll face offensively.

[El Mudo]

They'd pretty much have to be atomic-hot. As good as their starting rotation would be in a playoff situation, they are horrid at scoring. That cannot be emphasized enough, even with the playoffs being a crapshoot. They're going to be so far behind any other team they'll face offensively.



I like Colorado better than SF, if only for the fact that they've scored 100 more runs than SF has this year, and they're operating at a +53 in run differential right now, which is 5th in the league

[TheMojoPin]

I like Colorado better than SF, if only for the fact that they've scored 100 more runs than SF has this year, and they're operating at a +53 in run differential right now, which is 5th in the league

Definitely. Again, the old adage is "anything can happen in the playoffs," but the Giants would be a huge stretch to do any damage with their offense unless there is an almost miraculous tournaround.

I can't believe the Giants are taking all of Sanchez' contract. That should show you just how desperate they are for any kind of offense right now. Granted, they're rather stacked with pitching prospects but they gave up an excellent one to the Pirates. Brilliant trade for the Pirates. Not every move they've made in the last year has been golden, but overall they've done an excellent job of restocking their farm system and team with young, talented players that they'll have for a long time. They could be back in it as a competitive team in the typically wimpy NL Central within 2-3 years.

[keithy_19]

They could be back in it as a competitive team in the typically wimpy NL Central within 2-3 years.

Isn't that what people say every year about the Pirates?

[TheMojoPin]

Isn't that what people say every year about the Pirates?

If they did, they were idiots. They had minimal young prospects and only a scattered few players across the seasons worth a damn. They now have a bunch of high ceiling prospects and several young players under their control for a while currently on the team shaping up to be decent.

[TheMojoPin]

Fuck yeah. Arroyo is OK by me:

Bronson Arroyo-S-Reds Jul. 31 - 10:23 am et

Bronson Arroyo told the Boston Herald Thursday that he used androstenedione and amphetamines back in the early 2000s.
Both substances were fair game at the time he was taking them, but have since been banned by Major League Baseball. "Before 2004, none of us paid any attention to anything we took," said the Reds starter. "Andro made me feel great, I felt like a monster. I felt like I could jump and hit my head on the basketball rim." It's also the substance that was found in Mark McGwire's locker during the summer of 1998.
Source: Boston Herald

Just a little emphasis for the spazzes who still don't the point and act like releasing the 2003 list would "settle" the steroid issue or act shocked at the idea that there are people in the HoF already who used PED's.

Keep living in denial thinking it was only a relative few who used PED's over the last 40 years, suckers.

[El Mudo]

Fuck yeah. Arroyo is OK by me:



Just a little emphasis for the spazzes who still don't the point and act like releasing the 2003 list would "settle" the steroid issue or act shocked at the idea that there are people in the HoF already who used PED's.

Keep living in denial thinking it was only a relative few who used PED's over the last 40 years, suckers.



I'm still waiting for the whole steroids thing to blow up on the NFL. Especially in the light of the fact that a recent poll showed 1 in 10 ex players were on the gas during their careers (http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/healthday/2009/02/20/1-in-10-ex-nfl-players--used--steroids-poll-reports.html)


If there was ever a sport that was designed for steroids, its football. With the violence and injuries those guys sustain, its a miracle any of them can walk.

Only problem is, with the NFL being the 10,000 lb gorilla of the sports world in terms of networks and corporate sponsorships (and hell...Super Bowl Sunday is pretty much a national holiday at this point), I doubt we'll ever see it

[PD]

so Victor Martinez to Red Sox for Justin Masterson and others
http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/mlb_trade_talk/posts/72841-red-sox-agree-to-deal-with-indians-for-martinez
and Adam LaRoche back to Atlanta.

and Jerry Hairston Jr to Yankees

[foodcourtdruide]

I just heard that the Reds got Rolen... Uh... Why?

[NickyL0885]

I wonder if Minaya will blame another news reporter. But this time, for the Mets not making any deals at the deadline. This team could make a wild card run. Crazier things have happened. You can't rely on certain players to come back and play like they never missed time.

[hammersavage]

I see no value in the Mets making a move. They should have done a move when players first got hurt, now would be stupid.

[foodcourtdruide]

I see no value in the Mets making a move. They should have done a move when players first got hurt, now would be stupid.

I agree. When Reyes went down they should have traded for some middle infield help and a guy like La Roche would have made sense when Delgado went down. I'm happy Omar didn't make a Rolen-esque.

[NickyL0885]

MLB Network said Peavy to White Sox for minor league prospects. Peavy i guess approved it. But why now and not earlier? He turned this down before.

[TheMojoPin]

MLB Network said Peavy to White Sox for minor league prospects. Peavy i guess approved it. But why now and not earlier? He turned this down before.

Isn't he injured?

[hammersavage]

Isn't he injured?

indeed

[TheMojoPin]

indeed

I thought you can't trade players on the DL. Guess they pulled him off it to trade him and then he'll go back on it for the Sox.

[hammersavage]

I thought you can't trade players on the DL. Guess they pulled him off it to trade him and then he'll go back on it for the Sox.

I guess not

CHISOX GET PEAVY, NO HALLADAY DEAL

For the second time this season, the White Sox and Padres completed a deal that sent Jake Peavy to Chicago, The Post has learned.

The teams agreed to the deal though Peavy is currently on the DL.

[TheMojoPin]

I guess not

They can agree but he has to be activated for the trade otherwise I believe it needs to go through the approval process by the commissioner's office.

[IMSlacker]

Has Peavy approved the trade?

[NickyL0885]

Has Peavy approved the trade?

yes

[TheMojoPin]

4:12pm: Peavy's agent, Barry Axelrod, told Tom Krasovic that his client accepted the deal because there was no guarantee that the Cubs and Dodgers, Peavy's preferred teams, would have made a move for the righty in the offseason. Axelrod knows Peavy's contract no longer looks like a bargain, so he's surprised the White Sox made the deal.

"Frankly I am flabbergasted that the White Sox would want to make this deal with him in his physical condition," Axelrod said.

LULZ

[TheMojoPin]

4:45pm: Two White Sox officials tell USA Today's Bob Nightengale that the Sox will pay all of Peavy's contract. That means they'll pay him $56MM by the end of 2012 and maybe more afterwards.

DOUBLE LULZ

[IMSlacker]

How soon is he expected to be back from his injury?

[TheMojoPin]

How soon is he expected to be back from his injury?

Probably a month, though if the Sox fall back further by then they'd be wise to just shut him down since they have him for 3 more years.

[K.C.]

Why the hell would the White Sox trade Richard and Poreda, and take all the salary for a guy who is hurt, may not pitch again this year, and didn't want to go to their team in the first place?

[El Mudo]

You couldn't get more for Nick Johnson than a minor league pitcher?

AND you're paying the rest of his salary for this year????!!!



Great job Mike Rizzo....die in a fire....


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[razorboy]

How the hell does Sidney Ponson still have a job in the majors? I could see the York Revolution or Newark Bears or something.

[Fallon]

Tonight is Victor Martinez bobble head night.

Cleveland blows.

http://i28.tinypic.com/65q3bm.jpg

[razorboy]

I should feel embarrassed about my man love for Carl Crawford.




But I don't.

[epo]

Now that Edison Volquez is officially getting his should ripped open for surgery, will Reds fans start to revolt against Dusty Baker?

[cougarjake13]

I should feel embarrassed about my man love for Carl Crawford.




But I don't.




mines evan longoria, but also david wright


guess i have something for 3rd basemen

[cougarjake13]

Tonight is Victor Martinez bobble head night.

Cleveland blows.

http://i28.tinypic.com/65q3bm.jpg




fucking hilarious

[cougarjake13]

Why the hell would the White Sox trade Richard and Poreda, and take all the salary for a guy who is hurt, may not pitch again this year, and didn't want to go to their team in the first place?




well he said he changed his mind

[razorboy]

mines evan longoria, but also david wright


guess i have something for 3rd basemen

Longo is my number two, but I've had beers with CC. He's just a really nice dude.

[NickyL0885]

I noticed when I watch MLB Network and Baseball Tonight, when talking about pitchers they always say "the guy has good stuff". Its so annoying at this point. So overused.

[razorboy]

I noticed when I watch MLB Network and Baseball Tonight, when talking about pitchers they always say "the guy has good stuff". Its so annoying at this point. So overused.

Good stuff.

[MC Pee Pants]

Tremendous is also an over used word in sports...at least on WFAN....at least by Joe Beningo.

[razorboy]

Tremendous is also an over used word in sports...at least on WFAN....at least by Joe Beningo.

Tremendous.

[underdog]

Tremendous is also an over used word in sports...at least on WFAN....at least by Joe Beningo.

Ken Tremendous is underused.

[TonyStark]

I noticed when I watch MLB Network and Baseball Tonight, when talking about pitchers they always say "the guy has good stuff". Its so annoying at this point. So overused.

That's a Tim McCarver special too, he breaks that out pretty often.

[Knowledged_one]

Baltimore set a record tonight with its 5th rookie pitcher winning in his debut. Their young pitching looks good so far and they still have 2 or 3 more in the wings

[Fallon]

Don't tase me O!

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[cougarjake13]

I noticed when I watch MLB Network and Baseball Tonight, when talking about pitchers they always say "the guy has good stuff". Its so annoying at this point. So overused.

this post had tremendously good stuff

[TheMojoPin]

Don't tase me O!

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Someone needed to taze the Brewers. (http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=110706@kcbs.dayport.com)

Admittedly, the plunking was a an obvious dick move on the part of "Classy" Joe Torre.

[epo]

Someone needed to taze the Brewers. (http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=110706@kcbs.dayport.com)

Admittedly, the plunking was a an obvious dick move on the part of "Classy" Joe Torre.

Shut up.

[brettmojo]

Padilla is a complete fucking prick. Someone is gonna' kill that bean plunkin' mutha' fucka'.

[TheMojoPin]

Shut up.

This one goes out to those plucky beer makers sailing the rough seas of love and life:

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[epo]

This one goes out to those plucky beer makers sailing the rough seas of love and life:



Baseball can be cruel when you are out of pitching.

[brettmojo]

Baseball can be cruel when you are out of pitching.
Good thing the Brew Crew have a lot of pitchers...

GET IT? CAUSE' THEY MAKE BEER!!!

http://www.displayit-info.com/food/images/drinks/2138.JPG

[underdog]

Someone needed to taze the Brewers. (http://www.cbs2.com/video/?id=110706@kcbs.dayport.com)

Admittedly, the plunking was a an obvious dick move on the part of "Classy" Joe Torre.

I wish more players would attack the pitchers off the field. Fuck this "police your own" bullshit. Police your own in the fucking parking lot. Stop throwing at players for "retaliation".

[epo]

I wish more players would attack the pitchers off the field. Fuck this "police your own" bullshit. Police your own in the fucking parking lot. Stop throwing at players for "retaliation".

I'm not gonna deny that Fielder is a bit of a hothead. But that guy has gotten his "tower buzzed" way too much.

Mota was his teammate last year and knew that.

[disneyspy]

face rhino face,8-6 tigs now

[PD]

White Sox acquire Rios from Toronto by claiming on waivers (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4390120)

Interesting move; who won this one?

at least it wasn't Vernon Well's atomic contract.

[MC Pee Pants]

Whatever happened to Coco Crisp?

[TheMojoPin]

White Sox acquire Rios from Toronto by claiming on waivers (http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4390120)

Interesting move; who won this one?

at least it wasn't Vernon Well's atomic contract.

Kenny Williams is a fucking moron.

[disneyspy]

YES! take that chris the cop,jimmyhats and fallon!take that i said it right there

[disneyspy]

at this pace the tigs will beat the red sox 27 to 0

[joeyballsack]

Its about damn time the Sox showed a little heart.

I was hoping they would charge against the Yankees, but I will take the current game.

[disneyspy]

fight ,fight,not only are the tigers kickin the sox' asses on the scoreboard but now a skinny pitcher is kickin their tough guys ass! love it,way to throw your helmet sissy boy,no wonder the yankees are kickin your asses

[joeyballsack]

Pretty bad decision on Youklis part.

I can understand the frustration of being hit on back to back nights, even knowing this one was intentional, but he is gonna be suspended for probably 5 games now because of it.

If he had to go out there, he could have at least thrown a punch and show he meant business, instead of getting judo flipped by some rookie.

It might have worked tonight though....tie game.

[disneyspy]

there should be a rule that once you're ejected you have to get your gum throwin ass off the field

[Fallon]

Pretty bad decision on Youklis part.

I can understand the frustration of being hit on back to back nights, even knowing this one was intentional, but he is gonna be suspended for probably 5 games now because of it.

If he had to go out there, he could have at least thrown a punch and show he meant business, instead of getting judo flipped by some rookie.

It might have worked tonight though....tie game.

Sox have depth in the infield, him getting suspended is worth it if it can get this team going.

[cougarjake13]

Whatever happened to Coco Crisp?

he was on royals and i think he's hurt

[drjoek]

What a bitch Kevin Youkils is. He gets thrown at charges the mound, throws his helmet then gets bitch slapped by a 150 lb pitcher.

[Gvac]

Use your opponent's energy against him...

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[HBox]

I've come around to thinking it's a pussy move to charge the mound no matter who you are. You are running at a guy who can't afford punch you with his dominant hand, or either hand really.