Obama - Best President Ever?

[cougarjake13]

Im sure they will be touting the 8.6% unemployment rate today, but as usual its a shellgame


300K Just completely gave up.



caught a lil bit of that clinton/obama press conference about that energy jobs thing

sounds good in theory but why not have done it 3 yrs ago when he got in office


anything he does now is gonna be viewed as him trying to do things that make him look good so he gets re-elected

[WRESTLINGFAN]

caught a lil bit of that clinton/obama press conference about that energy jobs thing

sounds good in theory but why not have done it 3 yrs ago when he got in office


anything he does now is gonna be viewed as him trying to do things that make him look good so he gets re-elected

Exactly

I bet the remaining portion of GM will be sold back to the private sector early next year. We already took a 24 billion dollar loss on it. He wouldnt have it sold back in October.

[spoon]

so then Obama's reelection is a good thing WF?

seems like it's leading to all you want right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so then Obama's reelection is a good thing WF?

seems like it's leading to all you want right?

If he wins a 2nd term or its a President Romney. Either way we are fucked

[spoon]

If he wins a 2nd term or its a President Romney. Either way we are fucked

bc even our president is all but powerless versus special interest and the powers entrenched firmly in dc?

or you just hate both?


no need to answer actually

[hanso]

caught a lil bit of that clinton/obama press conference about that energy jobs thing

sounds good in theory but why not have done it 3 yrs ago when he got in office


anything he does now is gonna be viewed as him trying to do things that make him look good so he gets re-elected

It's been said the Affordable Care Health Act had to have been done first or it would never had been done at all.

[hanso]

bc even our president is all but powerless versus special interest and the powers entrenched firmly in dc?

or you just hate both?


no need to answer actually

Lol a preemptive ignore.

[hanso]

Im sure they will be touting the 8.6% unemployment rate today, but as usual its a shellgame


300K Just completely gave up.

Sure Fox news will run with this. When it was over 9 it was a big deal. Now that it's under 9 it's no big deal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bc even our president is all but powerless versus special interest and the powers entrenched firmly in dc?

or you just hate both?


no need to answer actually

He's in bed with the special interests. If elected Romney will too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure Fox news will run with this. When it was over 9 it was a big deal. Now that it's under 9 it's no big deal.

This has nothing to do with fox news.

Its all fuzzy logic by the administration. The 120K jobs added were mostly seasonal jobs for Christmas and there were job losses in construction. Manufacturing jobs were anemic at best. There were also hundreds of thousands who left the job force completely thru retirement.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's been said the Affordable Care Health Act had to have been done first or it would never had been done at all.

Fuck the economy, while it spiraled out of control his main goal was to ram thru another wasteful entitlement program.

[spoon]

This has nothing to do with fox news.

Its all fuzzy logic by the administration. The 120K jobs added were mostly seasonal jobs for Christmas and there were job losses in construction. Manufacturing jobs were anemic at best. There were also hundreds of thousands who left the job force completely thru retirement.

yes, the way the system tracked jobs for years under every recent president

[Crispy123]

Quit bitching about Obamacare.

the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/)

That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Multiple this example by thousands.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/choking-on-obamacare/2011/12/02/gIQAKDCXMO_story.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, the way the system tracked jobs for years under every recent president

I don't remember these numbers having to be revised so many times under any other president.


Next month when the seasonal workers are let go dont be shocked when the rate goes back up.

8.6% Is nothing to cheer about especially the same week this happened


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577072002296732474.html

Maybe Biden can call it recovery winter

[spoon]

I don't remember these numbers having to be revised so many times under any other president.


Next month when the seasonal workers are let go dont be shocked when the rate goes back up.

8.6% Is nothing to cheer about especially the same week this happened


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204012004577072002296732474.html

Maybe Biden can call it recovery winter

come the fuck on wf

every admin twists things by every means possible

how bad do you think the economy would have looked under W if the false home market boom was exposed!? It was all a ruse he and his admin were using every year of his tenure, along with greenspan's constant artificial lowering of rates

I, like 99% of the public, are not so naive to think we're coming out of this recession bc of this month's report, especially tied to normal factors of the season. Yet it seems some just go one way with these reports, only utilizing them to fit their claims versus looking at them objectively.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

come the fuck on wf

every admin twists things by every means possible

how bad do you think the economy would have looked under W if the false home market boom was exposed!? It was all a ruse he and his admin were using every year of his tenure, along with greenspan's constant artificial lowering of rates

I, like 99% of the public, are not so naive to think we're coming out of this recession bc of this month's report, especially tied to normal factors of the season. Yet it seems some just go one way with these reports, only utilizing them to fit their claims versus looking at them objectively.

The housing bubble was being predicted as far back as 2006. Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente were called batshit crazy as the cheap money was doled out to unqualified people and real estate prices were skyrocketing at an alarming rate. Throw in Fannie/Freddie backstopping and guaranteeing these mortgages and kaboom.


Look what Bernanke is doing QE2/QE3 continuing having rates artifically low. The federal reserve doiling out 7.7 trillion to banks. Now we have to borrow money from Chin a to bailout the eurotrash. Think we will get paid back? Well you know damn well the Reds will want their money back with interest.

[spoon]

The housing bubble was being predicted as far back as 2006. Peter Schiff and Gerald Celente were called batshit crazy as the cheap money was doled out to unqualified people and real estate prices were skyrocketing at an alarming rate. Throw in Fannie/Freddie backstopping and guaranteeing these mortgages and kaboom.


Look what Bernanke is doing QE2/QE3 continuing having rates artifically low. The federal reserve doiling out 7.7 trillion to banks. Now we have to borrow money from Chin a to bailout the eurotrash. Think we will get paid back? Well you know damn well the Reds will want their money back with interest.

it was known way before 2006, and schiff again, along with fannie and freddie huh? i think you weigh those responsible for our falling out in disproportionate shares. one was a means to an end, the others were behind it all fleecing our country. which do you think Fannie/Freddie was? Nevermind again, you can't see the forest for the trees.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it was known way before 2006, and schiff again, along with fannie and freddie huh? i think you weigh those responsible for our falling out in disproportionate shares. one was a means to an end, the others were behind it all fleecing our country. which do you think Fannie/Freddie was? Nevermind again, you can't see the forest for the trees.

Fannie/Freddie was selling these shit mortgages to Wall st and the big banks and these were given AAA ratings. There was talk about reforming those GSE's but that was shitcanned


Anyone that didnt know that it was a bubble was idiotic. Theres no way possible a hose that was bought for 300k could nearly double in a year or 2. The basics were not in place.

Same thing with the tech bubble, stocks trading at prices not relative to their earnings.


In the end everybody who participated from the mortgage brokers to consumers were all living in a fantasy land.

[StanUpshaw]

Fannie/Freddie was selling these shit mortgages to Wall st and the big banks and these were given AAA ratings. There was talk about reforming those GSE's but that was shitcanned


Anyone that didnt know that it was a bubble was idiotic. Theres no way possible a hose that was bought for 300k could nearly double in a year or 2. The basics were not in place.

Same thing with the tech bubble, stocks trading at prices not relative to their earnings.


In the end everybody who participated from the mortgage brokers to consumers were all living in a fantasy land.

Nope, sorry. The 99% is incapable of greed.

Wall Street did it all. Because they're evil.

[hanso]

Fuck the economy, while it spiraled out of control his main goal was to ram thru another wasteful entitlement program.

1
It was a timing issue

2
Having affordable healthcare directly affects the economy as a whole.

If you can't see this your ideology is blinding you of the facts.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1
It was a timing issue

2
Having affordable healthcare directly affects the economy as a whole.

If you can't see this your ideology is blinding you of the facts.

1. Fixing the economy was supposed to be his main reason for running.

2. Wait until all the fuckups, unintended consequences and other faults from Obamacare

3. Even the left didnt want this bill passed they felt it was too watered down, they wanted full single payer

[Crispy123]

1. Fixing the economy was supposed to be his main reason for running.

2. Wait until all the fuckups, unintended consequences and other faults from Obamacare

3. Even the left didnt want this bill passed they felt it was too watered down, they wanted full single payer

1. Change from Bush and the Republican fuck-ups was the main idea.

2. at least you are objective.

3. Obama compromises? I guess he is different than Bush after all. Except when Fox news says he's not.

[hanso]

1. Fixing the economy was supposed to be his main reason for running.

2. Wait until all the fuckups, unintended consequences and other faults from Obamacare

3. Even the left didnt want this bill passed they felt it was too watered down, they wanted full single payer

2
Wait? The main objective from the right is to do away with it. When it was mostly drawn up from their own former proposals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

2
Wait? The main objective from the right is to do away with it. When it was mostly drawn up from their own former proposals.

Gingrich is no rightie

[cougarjake13]

Gingrich is no rightie

i think he double fists

[spoon]

i think he double fists

:lol:

[hanso]

Factoring the holiday temp hires you would think the same 8.6 rate would have been last year or the one before. Wrong! This is the lowest since March 2009 according to the bureau of labor statistics.

March you know that holiday temp hiring month.


What are you getting at about Gingrich WF? He practically pulled the whole party to the right single handedly when he was of significance. And all the GOP candidates vowed on stage they would do away with the AHCA.

[StanUpshaw]

315,000 abandoned the job market entirely, so 8.6 doesn't really tell the whole story, does it?

[hanso]

Gingrich is no rightie

i think he double fists

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/2530/6265411.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gingrich is nothing but a big government republican. He wants bigger gov't to suit his needs.

[Bob Impact]

Factoring the holiday temp hires you would think the same 8.6 rate would have been last year or the one before. Wrong! This is the lowest since March 2009 according to the bureau of labor statistics.

March you know that holiday temp hiring month.

Participation Rate:
Mar. 09: 65.6%
Nov. 11: 64.0%

Employment to Population Ratio:
Mar. 09: 59.9%
Nov. 11: 58.5%

Not in Labor Force (thousands):
Mar. 09: 80,985
Nov. 11: 86,558

[Crispy123]

Participation Rate:
Mar. 09: 65.6%
Nov. 11: 64.0%

Employment to Population Ratio:
Mar. 09: 59.9%
Nov. 11: 58.5%

Not in Labor Force (thousands):
Mar. 09: 80,985
Nov. 11: 86,558

So when the economy was in a nosedive and hemorrhaging jobs, Obama managed to level it off. Pulling troops out of Iraq and putting a timetable on Afghanistan, things might actually IMPROVE.

Definitely time to say fuck a second term and put the assclowns back in charge to drive us off that cliff.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So when the economy was in a nosedive and hemorrhaging jobs, Obama managed to make things worse.. Pulling troops out of Iraq brokered by the previous administration making things worse in Afghanistan, starting an illegal war in Libya and replacing a dictator with Al Qaeda things might actually NOT IMPROVE.

Definitely time to say fuck a second term .

Yes

[Crispy123]

Yes

As well thought out and sensible as anything you have ever posted.


If only all your posts could be that succinct.

[Bob Impact]

So when the economy was in a nosedive and hemorrhaging jobs, Obama managed to level it off. Pulling troops out of Iraq and putting a timetable on Afghanistan, things might actually IMPROVE.

Definitely time to say fuck a second term and put the assclowns back in charge to drive us off that cliff.

Either you're trolling or you have zero idea what anything I posted means, or what this discussion is even about. Let's put it this way: people who have been unemployed for so long they stop looking is not a good thing, and it's not "leveling" anything off. This country literally almost went insolvent less than 6 months ago, NOTHING has been done about it, and you're talking about right vs. left. That will certainly fix things when the currency hyper-inflates and the economy crumbles, at least you can believe "Well that was the other side that did that."

Here's the truth, you all did it.

[spoon]

Either you're trolling or you have zero idea what anything I posted means, or what this discussion is even about. Let's put it this way: people who have been unemployed for so long they stop looking is not a good thing, and it's not "leveling" anything off. This country literally almost went insolvent less than 6 months ago, NOTHING has been done about it, and you're talking about right vs. left. That will certainly fix things when the currency hyper-inflates and the economy crumbles, at least you can believe "Well that was the other side that did that."

Here's the truth, you all did it.

the whole left/right thing is the very reason we almost "went insolvent less than 6 months ago" and why nothing has been done about it

it's very much a huge part of this, always has been, as both protect their interests at the cost of the country as a whole. you can't believe taxes aren't a part of the equation can you? oh wait, who is he? I forgot, you do.

bottom line, the compromises go both ways, even if you signed some idiot's pledge and fear fucking tea party fools

[Crispy123]

Either you're trolling or you have zero idea what anything I posted means, or what this discussion is even about. Let's put it this way: people who have been unemployed for so long they stop looking is not a good thing, and it's not "leveling" anything off. This country literally almost went insolvent less than 6 months ago, NOTHING has been done about it, and you're talking about right vs. left. That will certainly fix things when the currency hyper-inflates and the economy crumbles, at least you can believe "Well that was the other side that did that."

Here's the truth, you all did it.

We have already established your debating skills are lacking but here it goes anyway.

When the change from 09 to 11 is about 1.5 percent, compared to what the economy/labor force did in the 8 years before, that is leveling off in my book.

Nowhere did I say things were "good" WF. But call me a troll and tell me what I don't know instead of reading and comprehending.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A trillion dollar stimulus adding the interest and we have 8.6 %. This after Romer and Goolsbee said it wouldn't go past 8%. They fuck up in government and go back to the academia bubble

[Bob Impact]

the whole left/right thing is the very reason we almost "went insolvent less than 6 months ago" and why nothing has been done about it

it's very much a huge part of this, always has been, as both protect their interests at the cost of the country as a whole. you can't believe taxes aren't a part of the equation can you? oh wait, who is he? I forgot, you do.

bottom line, the compromises go both ways, even if you signed some idiot's pledge and fear fucking tea party fools

What pledge? And I don't think taxes are part of what equation? I'm sure this was clear in your head but it certainly isn't now. Please make this more clear for me.

We have already established your debating skills are lacking but here it goes anyway.

When the change from 09 to 11 is about 1.5 percent, compared to what the economy/labor force did in the 8 years before, that is leveling off in my book.

Nowhere did I say things were "good" WF. But call me a troll and tell me what I don't know instead of reading and comprehending.

Funny you picked the 8 years before as your time frame, oh yes, that's right... it always has to be about how the other side did it wrong, and your side is doing it right. OK, well I'll bite, let's look at the Unemployment rate for November in each year:

2000: 3.9%
2001: 5.5%
2002: 5.9%
2003: 5.8%
2004: 5.4%
2005: 5.0%
2006: 4.4%
2007: 4.7%
2008: 6.8%
2009: 9.9%
2010: 9.8%
2011: 8.6%

[spoon]

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/la/news_atr_grover_norquist_160708/grover_norquist_5164809.jpg

...and the connection to this issue is perfectly clear

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But but the stimulus wasn't big enough. That's the defense of the Obama cult

[A.J.]

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/la/news_atr_grover_norquist_160708/grover_norquist_5164809.jpg

...and the connection to this issue is perfectly clear

I only pay attention to this Grover:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/be/Grover.JPG/220px-Grover.JPG

[Crispy123]

What pledge? And I don't think taxes are part of what equation? I'm sure this was clear in your head but it certainly isn't now. Please make this more clear for me.



Funny you picked the 8 years before as your time frame, oh yes, that's right... it always has to be about how the other side did it wrong, and your side is doing it right. OK, well I'll bite, let's look at the Unemployment rate for November in each year:

2000: 3.9%
2001: 5.5%
2002: 5.9%
2003: 5.8%
2004: 5.4%
2005: 5.0%
2006: 4.4%
2007: 4.7%
2008: 6.8%
2009: 9.9%
2010: 9.8%
2011: 8.6%


Either I have no idea what you have posted or it looks like the trend has leveled off and is even slightly improving under Obama.

And its no surprise I picked the prior 8 years, you know, when we went from a federal budget surplus to a deficit and the unemployment rate started its dive into shitsville.

And maybe I was making the point that Obama deserves a second term, you know, this being the "Obama-best pres" thread and all.

[spoon]

But but the stimulus wasn't big enough. That's the defense of the Obama cult

you do understand their point right? as in reversing policy mid-stream was pretty much a deciding factor in the double dip? It's not like this deficit is going anywhere any time soon, so do it right looking at the long term implications of policy, versus trying to destroy anything your opponent does in order to get him out at the expense of us all. Both fucking parties are guilty of this by the way, and W started the bailouts.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you do understand their point right? as in reversing policy mid-stream was pretty much a deciding factor in the double dip? It's not like this deficit is going anywhere any time soon, so do it right looking at the long term implications of policy, versus trying to destroy anything your opponent does in order to get him out at the expense of us all. Both fucking parties are guilty of this by the way, and W started the bailouts.



Why do you assume that Everything W did I agree to? I was against all bailouts from TARP to Detroit.


Obamas policy of Keynesian economics did not work. This administration has thrown good money after bad and the results have been proven as a failure. A net loss of jobs

[Bob Impact]

Either I have no idea what you have posted or it looks like the trend has leveled off and is even slightly improving under Obama.

And its no surprise I picked the prior 8 years, you know, when we went from a federal budget surplus to a deficit and the unemployment rate started its dive into shitsville.

And maybe I was making the point that Obama deserves a second term, you know, this being the "Obama-best pres" thread and all.

Then you really do have no idea what I posted. 8.6% (Obama's best) is worse than 6.8% (Bush's worst).

[Crispy123]

Then you really do have no idea what I posted. 8.6% (Obama's best) is worse than 6.8% (Bush's worst).

Trust me, I get "greater than/ less than".

Im guessing the miscommunication comes from your having no idea what leveled off means.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Leveled off ? The unemployment rate went up. Long term rates have been the highest since the depression. The average length is 40 weeks

[Crispy123]

I already know your reading and comprehension are fucked so Im not going there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your statistics and metrics comprehension are totally fucked up

[Bob Impact]

Trust me, I get "greater than/ less than".

Im guessing the miscommunication comes from your having no idea what leveled off means.

1) NOW you're comparing his numbers against his own shitty numbers, the point you made previously that I was answering was that he was better than the last 8 years, which for this specific number he is not. Incidentally part of my point is that it doesn't matter WHO is in office, it matters that they're they're doing the right things. Clinton did, Bush didn't Obama isn't.

2) See my first post above, this is not a real 1.5% gain. The total # of people was reduced, which artificially increases the percentage and really puts a dent in this whole "leveled off" idea you have. If 300,000 people give up trying because the have no hope those 300,000 people are not suddenly independently wealthy, they're still in the same bad situation they were in before, they just aren't being counted anymore.

[Crispy123]

Your statistics and metrics comprehension are totally fucked up


2000: 3.9%
2001: 5.5%
2002: 5.9%
2003: 5.8%
2004: 5.4%
2005: 5.0%
2006: 4.4%
2007: 4.7%
2008: 6.8%
2009: 9.9%
2010: 9.8%
2011: 8.6%

http://ronfez.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=172&pictureid=2497

Your saying these metrics show an increase in unemployment under Obama?

Yea Im the one whose crazy here.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People see 120K jobs added and the rate bring reduced by .4% still don't want to factor that the overall job force did not increase.

Even MSNBC Obamas biggest cheerleaders pointed out the 300K who just gave up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

January 2009 the rate was lower.

November 2011 8.6%


Nothing else to say

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I get it . The bureau of labor stats just wants to make the 1/2 black man look bad


Fucking racists

[Crispy123]

1) NOW you're comparing his numbers against his own shitty numbers, the point you made previously that I was answering was that he was better than the last 8 years, which for this specific number he is not. Incidentally part of my point is that it doesn't matter WHO is in office, it matters that they're they're doing the right things. Clinton did, Bush didn't Obama isn't.

2) See my first post above, this is not a real 1.5% gain. The total # of people was reduced, which artificially increases the percentage and really puts a dent in this whole "leveled off" idea you have. If 300,000 people give up trying because the have no hope those 300,000 people are not suddenly independently wealthy, they're still in the same bad situation they were in before, they just aren't being counted anymore.

1. Wrong. Reread MY post. There was an increasing trend in the unemployment rate that started under Bush. Obama took office in 09. The numbers are flat for 09-10 and decrease for 2011. That is what I mean by leveled off.

2. And if the decrease is due to factoring out the long term unemployed, it still means the rate is about flat (or leveled off).

[spoon]

Why do you assume that Everything W did I agree to? I was against all bailouts from TARP to Detroit.


Obamas policy of Keynesian economics did not work. This administration has thrown good money after bad and the results have been proven as a failure. A net loss of jobs

Not once did I assume you were for "everything W did". I have read many times you hated anything W did that tied into any strategy Obama continued or even worked with. The main question would be, which came first?

As for claiming it didn't work bc there was a net loss of jobs, funny. How is it you think awful trends not only stop immediately after years of terrible policy, but should reverse and be a net gain in less than a term, much less years after? It has often been argued, quite thoroughly and effectively, that if not for the bailouts we'd be in something that much more closely resemble a second depression and a much worse economy/job loss number. It's not so concrete to just say NET LOSS and you know it. I love how about 2 years of "Keynesian economics" is a good sample size to reverse years of futility with our economy. Especially since spending was all but halted before the full plan was fully implemented (a key part of the plan, not a spending freeze at the worst f'n time), the debt ceiling debacle play and so much more all but put the plan on hold or worse in an effort to stop any positive effects over time. It makes no sense to squeeze spending at that time, and most either understand this...just the repubs want it bc they can claim terrible results with the fix to the problems they created. The GOP is good at this too, claim gov suck, make it suck, a dem comes in to clean the mess under shit times, and they get back in power to fuck it up all over again.

[Bob Impact]

http://ronfez.net/forums/picture.php?albumid=172&pictureid=2497

Your saying these metrics show an increase in unemployment under Obama?

Yea Im the one whose crazy here.

Seriously, I'm just not answering any more posts from you.

[Crispy123]

Seriously, I'm just not answering any more posts from you.

Ouch. Seriously. Especially seeing as how you never "answered" anything.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama cleaning shit up alright as a record 46 million are on food stamps


Keynesian economics simply does not work. Even FDRs treasury sec was against all the spending

[spoon]

fdr's really?

Morgenthau was commenting on an economy in the fucking 30s for fuck's sake, and even here you leave out much of the story. He had other points in his conclusions that go completely against your beliefs.

In 1934, when William H. Woodin resigned because of poor health, Roosevelt appointed Morgenthau Secretary of the Treasury (an act that enraged conservatives). Morgenthau was an orthodox economist who opposed Keynesian economics and disapproved of some elements of Roosevelt's New Deal.

Morgenthau believed in balanced budgets, stable currency, reduction of the national debt, and the need for more private investment. The Wagner Act regarding labor unions met Morgenthau’s requirement because it strengthened the party’s political base and involved no new spending. Morgenthau accepted Roosevelt’s double budget as legitimate — that is, a balanced regular budget, and an “emergency” budget for agencies, like the Works Progress Administration (WPA), Public Works Administration (PWA) and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), that would be temporary until full recovery was at hand. He fought against the veterans’ bonus until Congress finally overrode Roosevelt’s veto and gave out $2.2 billion in 1936. In the 1937 "Depression within the Depression," Morgenthau was unable to persuade Roosevelt to desist from continued deficit spending. Roosevelt continued to push for more spending, and Morganthau promoted a balanced budget. In 1937, however, Morgenthau successfully convinced Roosevelt to finally focus on balancing the budget through major spending cuts and tax increases; Keynesian economists have argued that this new attempt by Roosevelt to balance the budget created the Recession of 1937.[7] On November 10, 1937, Morgenthau gave a speech to the Academy of Political Science at New York's Hotel Astor, in which he noted that the Depression had required deficit spending, but that the government needed to cut spending to revive the economy. In his speech, he said:[8]
"We want to see private business expand. … We believe that one of the most important ways of achieving these ends at this time is to continue progress toward a balance of the federal budget."
His biggest success was the new Social Security program; he reversed the proposals to fund it from general revenue and insisted it be funded by new taxes on employees. Morgenthau insisted on excluding farm workers and domestic servants from Social Security because workers outside industry would not be paying their way.[9] He questioned the value of the deficit spending that had not reduced unemployment and only added debt:[10]
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."[11]
To reduce the deficit he argued for increased taxes, particularly on the wealthy.
"We have never begun to tax the people in this country the way they should be..... I don't pay what I should. People in my class don't. People who have it should pay."[11]


from wiki

[cougarjake13]

Way too much to read

[spoon]

Way too much to read

READ IT!

:furious:

[StanUpshaw]

This is just bizzaroland now.

[Dude!]

This is just bizzaroland now.

now?

[Bob Impact]

Way too much to read

tl;dr

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I see hes on tap to schedule a lot of golf.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-family-planning-17-day-christmas-vacation-hawaii-article-1.986392#art_comments_tab


Let him go on vacation, The less time he's in DC fucking up the country and campaigning the better

[spoon]

let him?

he has every right to do so, where he's from no less

I'll be surprised if Fox doesn't defend his rights now to celebrate this holy time of year! Obama is just a hardcore Christian!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

let him?

he has every right to do so, where he's from no less

Yes going on vacation paid for by us. So we are letting him.


Wait he's going to Kenya?


Relax its a joke

[WRESTLINGFAN]

let him?

he has every right to do so, where he's from no less

I'll be surprised if Fox doesn't defend his rights now to celebrate this holy time of year! Obama is just a hardcore Christian!

:lol:

Maybe its an extended a Kwanza break

[spoon]

Yes going on vacation paid for by us. So we are letting him.


Wait he's going to Kenya?


Relax its a joke

wf, we pay for every trip every big ex politician goes on years after their last days in office

you think the secret service isn't tailing W and his dad when senior decides to do a tandem jump?

and i guess Obama should tell the family, yah, Newt is right...I can't make it home bc they are only accepting food stamps now! stupid

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wf, we pay for every trip every big ex politician goes on years after their last days in office

you think the secret service isn't tailing W and his dad when senior decides to do a tandem jump?

and i guess Obama should tell the family, yah, Newt is right...I can't make it home bc they are only accepting food stamps now! stupid

No Spoon I thought politicians pay out of their own pocket. The secret service follows Bubba every time he gives a speech for 150K



He should spend 17 days in Nogales TX where he lied that the border is more secure than ever. Maybe pitch a tent with the Occupiers, Or he can go visit his drunk uncle and parasite aunt in Boston both here illegally.

[Bob Impact]

Yes going on vacation paid for by us. So we are letting him.


Wait he's going to Kenya?


Relax its a joke

He really should go to Kenya and scream "FATHER" at every man who walks by. It would be career suicide but the hilarity would out weigh anything else IMO.

[StanUpshaw]

Presidents would serve us far better if instead of "governing," they were strictly going for the lulz.

[spoon]

you thought wrong...again

clinton pays zero, as every prez has before him

only those in office after 97 and ten years after leaving office have to pay anything

so yah, nobody yet and i doubt ever will

it will b changed un my mind and should

[hanso]

Obama cleaning shit up alright as a record 46 million are on food stamps


Keynesian economics simply does not work. Even FDRs treasury sec was against all the spending

But cutting does right? Just look at all the austerity measures in Europe it's working wonders.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But cutting does right? Just look at all the austerity measures in Europe it's working wonders.

Borrowing money from China to lend to the Euroteash is going to do the trick


:lol::lol:

[epo]

But cutting does right? Just look at all the austerity measures in Europe it's working wonders.

Austerity is a proven route to economic failure.

[StanUpshaw]

Europe has to look like they're trying to maintain some semblance of fiscal responsibility just so they can stay at the table of global finance. Austerity can't fix anything. EVERY FIAT CURRENCY ON THE PLANET IS BEYOND FIXING. All austerity is doing is prolonging the inevitable.

[Crispy123]

EVERY FIAT CURRENCY ON THE PLANET IS BEYOND FIXING.

Not true. I nice World War could do wonders for a few select economies.

[StanUpshaw]

http://i.imgur.com/R69hX.jpg

[hanso]

Cenk Uygur is back on tv starting tonight. Young Turks on Current.

[hanso]

Borrowing money from China to lend to the Euroteash is going to do the trick


:lol::lol:

They started out with cuts. Which must have made it worse. Later it was pooling funds. Now I read taxes are being raised.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is a sham and we will be fucked over as usual. That payroll tax holiday won't mean anything when our currency will be further devalued. Fuck the Greeks they got themselves into this mess they need to figure how to get out

[Syd]

It won't change inflation much -- that money is just going to be given out as CEO bonuses and kept out of circulation by being in a bank somewhere.

Also:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/raising-taxes-on-the-rich-not-whether-but-how/

Good article on why Republicans are going about recovery wrong and that any sort of GOP victory in 2012 will guarantee that we remain in a state of recession till well beyond 2030 (our current rate of recovery, even if we get back to '05 levels of hiring, puts us at 5% unemployment by nearly 2020. Even a modest job growth rate places us at returning to 5% by 2025 or so.

http://i.imgur.com/QsEQE.jpg

[A.J.]

Well this is a good start. Make sites for Havana and Pyongyang as well.

US launches virtual embassy for Iran (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2011/12/2011126185647788952.html)

[Syd]

One of our benevolent god king job creators points out how our benevolent god king job creators don't actually create jobs:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-06/raise-taxes-on-rich-to-reward-true-job-creators-nick-hanauer.html

That’s why I can say with confidence that rich people don’t create jobs, nor do businesses, large or small. What does lead to more employment is the feedback loop between customers and businesses. And only consumers can set in motion a virtuous cycle that allows companies to survive and thrive and business owners to hire. An ordinary middle-class consumer is far more of a job creator than I ever have been or ever will be.

Theory of Evolution

When businesspeople take credit for creating jobs, it is like squirrels taking credit for creating evolution. In fact, it’s the other way around.

It is unquestionably true that without entrepreneurs and investors, you can’t have a dynamic and growing capitalist economy. But it’s equally true that without consumers, you can’t have entrepreneurs and investors. And the more we have happy customers with lots of disposable income, the better our businesses will do.

That’s why our current policies are so upside down. When the American middle class defends a tax system in which the lion’s share of benefits accrues to the richest, all in the name of job creation, all that happens is that the rich get richer.

And that’s what has been happening in the U.S. for the last 30 years.

Since 1980, the share of the nation’s income for fat cats like me in the top 0.1 percent has increased a shocking 400 percent, while the share for the bottom 50 percent of Americans has declined 33 percent. At the same time, effective tax rates on the superwealthy fell to 16.6 percent in 2007, from 42 percent at the peak of U.S. productivity in the early 1960s, and about 30 percent during the expansion of the 1990s. In my case, that means that this year, I paid an 11 percent rate on an eight-figure income.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

www.pay.gov

[A.J.]

www.pay.gov

Oooh. I want to give a donation to the NEA to fund the queer and blasphemous arts!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Billions are be going to given to the IMF To bail out bloated Euro's who want to retire in their 50's

We will either have to borrow from China or inflate our currency.


Obama wonders why theres no money for infrastructure. Its either going to a 3rd world hole or Mediterreans with no work ethic.

[Syd]

www.pay.gov

why not just let everyone have their wealth taxed at an effective rate of 15% like billionaires and just let people choose to see how much more they want to pay

your financial politics are atrocious

[Syd]

We will either have to borrow from China or inflate our currency.

What inflation?

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=billratesAll

Fox News talking points talk, money walks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

why not just let everyone have their wealth taxed at an effective rate of 15% like billionaires and just let people choose to see how much more they want to pay

your financial politics are atrocious

These are the patriotic millionaires and billionares, They can set the example and pay extra. They are the people who have their capital gains taxed at 15% The Warren Buffets of the world.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What inflation?

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=billratesAll

Fox News talking points talk, money walks.

I wish I had a dollar each time Fox news was mentioned, Id be a millionaire, even though the dollars are worthless.

The government uses trick accounting methods.
Same with the unemployment numbers. They didnt factor in the 315K who gave up

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4bZglexQk4o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Keep having faith in the federal overlords though.

[StanUpshaw]

One of our benevolent god king job creators points out how our benevolent god king job creators don't actually create jobs:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-06/raise-taxes-on-rich-to-reward-true-job-creators-nick-hanauer.html

What a clown.

[Syd]

I wish I had a dollar each time Fox news was mentioned, Id be a millionaire, even though the dollars are worthless.

The government uses trick accounting methods.
Same with the unemployment numbers. They didnt factor in the 315K who gave up

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4bZglexQk4o" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Keep having faith in the federal overlords though.

How is it trick accounting methods? Those are what people pay for fucking t-bills; that is an accurate representation of monetary inflation. People can go on TV and say whatever the fuck they please, but the people actually going out and buying up t-bills are showing quite clearly that there's absolutely no concern for inflation, otherwise they'd be demanding a larger return. Even a 30 year t-bond is still under prime; where is the inflation other than a bunch of goldbugs saying there is inflation? There's actual fucking proof that inflation isn't a major concern and you want to talk about trick accounting methods and some youtube of a guy with a fivehead.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How is it trick accounting methods? Those are what people pay for fucking t-bills; that is an accurate representation of monetary inflation. People can go on TV and say whatever the fuck they please, but the people actually going out and buying up t-bills are showing quite clearly that there's absolutely no concern for inflation, otherwise they'd be demanding a larger return. Even a 30 year t-bond is still under prime; where is the inflation other than a bunch of goldbugs saying there is inflation? There's actual fucking proof that inflation isn't a major concern and you want to talk about trick accounting methods and some youtube of a guy with a fivehead.

Yea Schiff knows nothing and the government knows EVERYTHING. While the feds were promoting the ownership society , people like Schiff Gerald Celente and Nouriel Roubini were warning of the bubble

Do you use the barter system ?

Food and energy and other commodities are going thru the roof, The fed has increased the money supply to promote hiring and stimulate the economy which has failed.

We are in worse shape than the Euros as we are the biggest debtor nation on the planet.

[Syd]

counterpoint:
4 WEEKS 13 WEEKS 26 WEEKS 52 WEEKS
DATE BANK DISCOUNT COUPON EQUIVALENT BANK DISCOUNT COUPON EQUIVALENT BANK DISCOUNT COUPON EQUIVALENT BANK DISCOUNT COUPON EQUIVALENT
12/01/11 0.02 0.02 0.01 0.01 0.05 0.05 0.11 0.11
12/02/11 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.02 0.06 0.06 0.11 0.11
12/05/11 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.05 0.05 0.10 0.10
12/06/11 -0.01 -0.01 0.01 0.01 0.04 0.04 0.10 0.10

t-bills show the reality of inflation, versus some dude trying to pump the tires of his gold investments

and before you say YEAH WELL THEY FIX IT

People are literally buying t-bills at this rate, so even if inflation were higher not a single fucking person buying up debt believes so. More people believe in Santa Claus at this point than people believe the USD is experiencing any sort of inflation.

[StanUpshaw]

People aren't buying shit. Financials are buying up supposedly secure paper so they can continue to leverage it to the moon and plunder the biggest piece of the pie they can before it all goes belly up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It has nothing to do with someone peddling gold. When the dollar loses its value, commodity prices rise as a hedge to a weaker dollar.

[Syd]

If commodity prices rise on account of the devaluation of the dollar, why don't the t-bills represent that? Investors would be able to demand a higher return.

It's almost as if there's something else involved for the price of commodities to rise. Unfortunately people with fiveheads aren't going to be able to peddle their wares on cable news if they're telling people that we're running out of resources, though. It's too dire; easier to just say a nazi socialist communist secular muslim is killing the dollar.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of big foreheads

He's killing the dollar


http://www.infiniteunknown.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/ben-bernanke.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Now Obama is Teddy Roosevelt.

[A.J.]

He'll always be Jimmy Carter to me.

[Bob Impact]

One of our benevolent god king job creators points out how our benevolent god king job creators don't actually create jobs:

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-12-06/raise-taxes-on-rich-to-reward-true-job-creators-nick-hanauer.html

I actually don't mind his conclusion but the reasoning he uses to get there is just short of severely retarded.

[hanso]

Billions are be going to given to the IMF To bail out bloated Euro's who want to retire in their 50's

We will either have to borrow from China or inflate our currency.


Obama wonders why theres no money for infrastructure. Its either going to a 3rd world hole or Mediterreans with no work ethic.

No money for infrastructure that GOP run states all turned down, as they used funds for tax breaks and intensives for imaginary corporations that never came. Who needs a sound school system or funds for other public immensities anyway?

[SonOfSmeagol]

No money for infrastructure that GOP run states all turned down, as they used funds for tax breaks and intensives for imaginary corporations that never came. Who needs a sound school system or funds for other public immensities anyway?

fund your own immensity. and please, keep it private.

[Dude!]

fund your own immensity. and please, keep it private.

don't mind his massacring
of the english language...

he goes to school
on the short yellow bus

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Aloha' Bama


Enjoy your 17 day break. The less time youre in DC the better it is. Enjoy your golf games Mr. President

[Dude!]

Aloha' Bama


Enjoy your 17 day break. The less time youre in DC the better it is. Enjoy your golf games Mr. President

i heard he'll be spending one
of those 17 days at the Hawaii Archives
trying to make his fake birth certificate
look more believable

[spoon]

Aloha' Bama


Enjoy your 17 day break. The less time youre in DC the better it is. Enjoy your golf games Mr. President

Yah, surely he shouldn't be with his family on holiday break, a religious holiday that I'm sure Fox will back him bc of. If they got that tough for his Thanksgiving address, this will surely show how important the Christmas holiday is to this great man of God right?

[spoon]

i heard he'll be spending one
of those 17 days at the Hawaii Archives
trying to make his fake birth certificate
look more believable


i've been very impressed
with your maturity of late

nice work

:smoke:

[A.J.]

Yah, surely he shouldn't be with his family on holiday break, a religious holiday that I'm sure Fox will back him bc of. If they got that tough for his Thanksgiving address, this will surely show how important the Christmas holiday is to this great man of God right?

He spends more time in Hawaii than Bush did at his ranch! The nerve!

[spoon]

not a chance in hell

I'm quite sure W is clearing brush right now as we speak and still thinks he's the top dog!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yah, surely he shouldn't be with his family on holiday break, a religious holiday that I'm sure Fox will back him bc of. If they got that tough for his Thanksgiving address, this will surely show how important the Christmas holiday is to this great man of God right?

What the hell does Fox news have do to with any of this when I comment?

Obama is always with his family during christmas its not like he just completed a tour in Afghanistan

[spoon]

What the hell does Fox news have do to with any of this when I comment?

Obama is always with his family during christmas its not like he just completed a tour in Afghanistan

It's a very logical holiday tie-in I fully expect them to disregard, unlike the completely secular holiday of Thanksgiving when they flipped out bc he failed to mention God. So yah, he's taking time during a religious holiday to see family so let's see what angle they take. My point is, it'll be the one you're making, just like everyone else nitpicking everything to amazing annoying levels. It ties in nicely, unlike how you would have talked about some illegal getting a dui or a fast and furious update to prove your vacation point. You really have trouble with conversing huh?

Go ahead, post six links and get it out of your system.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's a very logical holiday tie-in I fully expect them to disregard, unlike the completely secular holiday of Thanksgiving when they flipped out bc he failed to mention God. So yah, he's taking time during a religious holiday to see family so let's see what angle they take. My point is, it'll be the one you're making, just like everyone else nitpicking everything to amazing annoying levels. It ties in nicely, unlike how you would have talked about some illegal getting a dui or a fast and furious update to prove your vacation point. You really have trouble with conversing huh?

Go ahead, post six links and get it out of your system.

Im not going to throw a shit fit like Hannity will. I dont mind if he goes on Vacation, let him go. Its less time he's in DC fucking up royally.


Im sure you will be tuned into Hannity's show watching the 12 segments on his vacation.


In regards to the other topics you mention you cant have it both ways. You complain when I post a comment w/o a link and demand sources but criticize when I do provide a link?

[spoon]

Im not going to throw a shit fit like Hannity will. I dont mind if he goes on Vacation, let him go. Its less time he's in DC fucking up royally.


Im sure you will be tuned into Hannity's show watching the 12 segments on his vacation.


In regards to the other topics you mention you cant have it both ways. You complain when I post a comment w/o a link and demand sources but criticize when I do provide a link?

You make zero sense. The mere fact I had to explain the tie, versus the pure random madness of your misdirection, is comical. Just as you won't get on Obama for his vacation, but the catch is your little snide remark about him not being in office is a good thing. You are of the same mind as Hannity clearly, just you see the other angle of it and it doesn't make it better. He gets vacation just like anyone else, especially during the holidays.

Also, completely false on the link rundown not surprisingly. You post links often, with ridiculous one liners that have either little validity tied to said article, or none at all. So yah, one would like to know wtf you are linking/getting at, not just randomness that is WF. And I among others will also like REPUTABLE sources for some of your wild claims around this site. Posting a link to a madman's blog or an over the top conservative think tank holds as much water as me posting a linked tweet from Wiener about his own innocence.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You make zero sense. The mere fact I had to explain the tie, versus the pure random madness of your misdirection, is comical. Just as you won't get on Obama for his vacation, but the catch is your little snide remark about him not being in office is a good thing. You are of the same mind as Hannity clearly, just you see the other angle of it and it doesn't make it better. He gets vacation just like anyone else, especially during the holidays.

Also, completely false on the link rundown not surprisingly. You post links often, with ridiculous one liners that have either little validity tied to said article, or none at all. So yah, one would like to know wtf they you are linking, not just randomness that is WF. And I among others will also like REPUTABLE sources for some of your wild claims around this site. Posting a link to a madman's blog or an over the top conservative think tank holds as much water as me posting a link tweet from Wiener about his own innocence.


You are really obsessed with Fox news. Im sure youre going to have that DVR ready for each segment. How dare I say something about the president, send me to GITMO. In his almost 3 years as one he has fucked up royally. I dont need to provide any link to that, the proof is in his record. The short term gains are far outweighed on his abysmal failures



A majority of my links are from politco, Yahoo news which gets their feeds from the AP. Hardly right wingers. My F&F links for the most part have come from CBS news which sure as hell isnt the sae as National Review



I want to see your outrage next time theres a video clip from the left wing crooks and liars site embedded or when someone posts an article from Paul Krugman

[spoon]

You are really obsessed with Fox news. Im sure youre going to have that DVR ready for each segment. How dare I say something about the president, send me to GITMO. In his almost 3 years as one he has fucked up royally. I dont need to provide any link to that, the proof is in his record. The short term gains are far outweighed on his abysmal failures



A majority of my links are from politco, Yahoo news which gets their feeds from the AP. Hardly right wingers. My F&F links for the most part have come from CBS news which sure as hell isnt the sae as National Review



I want to see your outrage next time theres a video clip from the left wing crooks and liars site embedded or when someone posts an article from Paul Krugman

Holy shit man you are slow. First off, I almost never watch Fox. The only time I see it is when it makes actual news bc it's showing false footage or making shit of inane things like thanking God in a Thankgiving address being absent. I bring it up bc it tied in, simple and sweet, but just keep up the act as if it didn't and it isn't relevant at all.

Next, I'm not asking for a link now and you KNOW IT! Holy shit you are maddening. If you don't get the point at this point I don't care. Seeing that you did your complete direction change of "send me to Gitmo"/"how dare I say something about the presiden" proves you just can't follow and my points about you. Not once did I ever say you can't or shouldn't, but you tried to act like you didn't mind the vacation, then posted the opposite to contradict yourself in that very post.

And finally, you ever notice the crooks and liars vids only replay clips from Fox or other media outlets? They may have a misleading title here and there, but most of them are just vids of someone saying something stupid or damming on Fox or even other major news networks, like Cheney on CNN. Kind of kills your other argument, since they just let you see the reports and one is left to take them for their own worth.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Holy shit man you are slow. First off, I almost never watch Fox. The only time I see it is when it makes actual news bc it's showing false footage or making shit of inane things like thanking God in a Thankgiving address being absent. I bring it up bc it tied in, simple and sweet, but just keep up the act as if it didn't and it isn't relevant at all.

Next, I'm not asking for a link now and you KNOW IT! Holy shit you are maddening. If you don't get the point at this point I don't care. Seeing that you did your complete direction change of "send me to Gitmo"/"how dare I say something about the presiden" proves you just can't follow and my points about you. Not once did I ever say you can't or shouldn't, but you tried to act like you didn't mind the vacation, then posted the opposite to contradict yourself in that very post.

And finally, you ever notice the crooks and liars vids only replay clips from Fox or other media outlets? They may have a misleading title here and there, but most of them are just vids of someone saying something stupid or damming on Fox or even other major news networks, like Cheney on CNN. Kind of kills your other argument, since they just let you see the reports and one is left to take them for their own worth.

Its not contradicting myself, its making a point. Now if I said Obama's taking another vacation parroting the likes of Hannity then you have a good argument


I dont mind the vacation, let him golf or play basketball. If he keeps up with his atrocious record he's going to have a lot of time after 1/20/13

[Bob Impact]

not a chance in hell

I'm quite sure W is clearing brush right now as we speak and still thinks he's the top dog!

Oh god I want this to be true so badly, this made me laugh for 10 minutes.

[Recyclerz]

not a chance in hell

I'm quite sure W is clearing brush right now as we speak and still thinks he's the top dog!


Oh god I want this to be true so badly, this made me laugh for 10 minutes.

Sorry. W ditched the dirt farm in Crawford as soon as he didn't need it for a prop anymore and bought some house in a fancy (well, for Texas) subdivision in Dallas near the guy who bought the Texas Rangers from the group he was fronting.

Link (http://www.bergproperties.com/blog/president-george-w-bush-buys-8501-square-foot-house-in-dallas-preston-hollow-neighborhood/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where's Obama going to live after 1/20/13 ?

[Crispy123]

Where's Obama going to live after 1/20/13 ?

Don't worry, he will still have the same address, Foxnews boy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't worry, he will still have the same address, Foxnews boy.


http://vinteeage.com/product-images/men-s-broken-record-t-shirt-vintage-t-shirt-review-palmer-cash-palmer-cash-2.jpg

[Crispy123]

http://vinteeage.com/product-images/men-s-broken-record-t-shirt-vintage-t-shirt-review-palmer-cash-palmer-cash-2.jpg

funny, I was thinking the same thing...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Way to be modest. What a douche


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/president-obama-admits-making-a-mistake-a-day-article-1.995392

[Crispy123]

http://vinteeage.com/product-images/men-s-broken-record-t-shirt-vintage-t-shirt-review-palmer-cash-palmer-cash-2.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Congrats, you didnt say Fox news

[Crispy123]

Congrats, you didnt say Fox news

it goes without saying, foxnews boy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

GOP Pussies cave in to payroll tax scheme. Fuck off Boehner

[spoon]

it goes without saying, foxnews boy.

yep

it's his crutch retort so get ready

[brettmojo]

Where's Obama going to live after 1/20/13 ?
That's up to the aliens.

[hanso]

GOP Pussies cave in to payroll tax scheme. Fuck off Boehner

They re- recanted.

What provisions did they add to piss on the poor this time? Karl Rove Hamloaf will make it look aalll better.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They re- recanted.

What provisions did they add to piss on the poor this time? Karl Rove Hamloaf will make it look aalll better.

Its not a tax cut. Its borrowing against future Soc security payments.


This is going to be a pain for business next quarter as they will have to keep 2 sets of books for payroll since its only for 2 months.

On average an extra $20 a week people (keep) and these fuckers in DC want us to thank them.


Notice for Obamacare voting the Senate was in session until 12/24/09. They bailed this year 12/17


Obamas thrilled now that he gets to go to Hawaii. Hope it rains every day he's there

Fuck Karl Rove too

[cougarjake13]

Its not a tax cut. Its borrowing against future Soc security payments.


This is going to be a pain for business next quarter as they will have to keep 2 sets of books for payroll since its only for 2 months.

On average an extra $20 a week people (keep) and these fuckers in DC want us to thank them.


Notice for Obamacare voting the Senate was in session until 12/24/09. They bailed this year 12/17


Obamas thrilled now that he gets to go to Hawaii. Hope it rains every day he's there

Fuck Karl Rove too

maybe a volcano will erupt and take em all out

[spoon]

They re- recanted.

What provisions did they add to piss on the poor this time? Karl Rove Hamloaf will make it look aalll better.

ding ding ding ding!



X insert broken record crispy pic here

[epo]

Where's Obama going to live after 1/20/13 ?

White House until January 2017.

[weekapaugjz]

On average an extra $20 a week people (keep) and these fuckers in DC want us to thank them.

i do thank them. $20 a week adds up to my heat bill for a month.

[spoon]

i do thank them. $20 a week adds up to my heat bill for a month.

what was stuck in by the pubs too is classic...but yah, why not just stay and debate a complete bullshit tactic and lack of really wanting to compromise on anything

fucking grandstanding sluts

[hanso]

i do thank them. $20 a week adds up to my heat bill for a month.

Heard it was 40$. And I do as well. This thing helped me get a newer ride. Better then pumpimg money into the old car.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

$1000 a year equals to roughly $20 a week or $40 per pay schedule if its every 2 weeks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Payroll extension is 2 months so thats $80


Here are some examples.

That $80 could be money refunded to 6,725,000 taxpayers for the Solyndra failure

3125 taxpayers could ge ttheir money back from the chevy volt fuckup

21 million taxpayers could get that from the stimulus debacle.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Crispy123]

So I'm pretty pissed off he signed that shit defense authorization bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/obama-defense-bill_n_1177836.html). But his recess appointment of the head of CFPB (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/richard-cordray-recess-appointment_n_1184077.html) and NLRB members (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/obama-nlrb-recess-appointments-labor-unions_n_1184285.html) is a great move.

Having Bin Laden killed, ending the war in Iraq and the planned troop drawdown (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-help-unveil-realistic-military-plan-205247377.html) from Afghanistan means he still has my vote.

He better work to get the indefinite detention deemed unconstitutional, establish a permanent base in Afghanistan and Saudi, and have jobs for these sailors, soldiers, airmen, and marines when they get out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bin Laden Killed only gave him a bump for a week and his poll numbers went back down.

The Iraq withdrawal was planned under Bush. We should have left Afghanistan already.

The electorate is focused on the economy in which was not fixed.


Obamas own words.


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[Crispy123]

Bin Laden Killed only gave him a bump for a week and his poll numbers went back down.

The Iraq withdrawal was planned under Bush. We should have left Afghanistan already.

The electorate is focused on the economy in which was not fixed.


Obamas own words.


Last time I checked, Im part of the electorate and polls mean exactly jack dick, for the most part.

I hope Bush realized we wouldn't be in Iraq indefinitely but I doubt it. Also, I said President Obama ENDED the war in Iraq.

That and kill Bin Laden were things the Republicans just didn't seem willing or able to get done.

[A.J.]

He better work to get the indefinite detention deemed unconstitutional, establish a permanent base in Afghanistan and Saudi, and have jobs for these sailors, soldiers, airmen, and marines when they get out.

We're not putting a military base in Saudi Arabia where Islam's holy cities are located,

[johnny2x]

Probably not the best ever, but definitely better than most

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[booster11373]

Probably not the best ever, but definitely better than most

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[Crispy123]

We're not putting a military base in Saudi Arabia where Islam's holy cities are located,

I know we have an air base at Sheik Isa and camps all around Kuwait but we need something else permanent. Maybe Egypt or Jordan?

[A.J.]

I know we have an air base at Sheik Isa and camps all around Kuwait but we need something else permanent. Maybe Egypt or Jordan?

CENTCOM's forward base is in Qatar.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know we have an air base at Sheik Isa and camps all around Kuwait but we need something else permanent. Maybe Egypt or Jordan?

Great, more exposure in the Islamic world. NEOCON!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Last time I checked, Im part of the electorate and polls mean exactly jack dick, for the most part.

I hope Bush realized we wouldn't be in Iraq indefinitely but I doubt it. Also, I said President Obama ENDED the war in Iraq.

That and kill Bin Laden were things the Republicans just didn't seem willing or able to get done.

Wow youre the only one in the electorate? Thats amazing. To hell with the shitty economy

Obama didnt end the war. We signed our own eviction notice.


Having an Arab shot in the face is a ticket to automatic reelection?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Probably not the best ever, but definitely better than most

[Crispy123]

Wow youre the only one in the electorate? Thats amazing. To hell with the shitty economy

Obama didnt end the war. We signed our own eviction notice.


Having an Arab shot in the face is a ticket to automatic reelection?


Still putting words in the mouths of people you disagree with I see.

It makes me want take your arguments seriously, no seriously.

[Crispy123]

CENTCOM's forward base is in Qatar.

Interesting (http://www.centcom.mil/press-releases/centcom-exercises-new-forward-headquarters-in-qatar), I did not realize that. I've been to Doha! Also, I found this:

Jordan: New US base to train Iraqis and Palestinians, says report (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.2567039394)

and

us-troops-amassing-in-jordan-on-syrian-border/ (http://patdollard.com/2011/12/report-us-troops-amassing-in-jordan-on-syrian-border/)

We still need a permanent base in Afghanistan and we have to be carefull not to piss off the Paki's and Ruskies.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Interesting, I did not realize that. I've been to Doha! Also, I found this:

Jordan: New US base to train Iraqis and Palestinians, says report (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.2567039394)

and

us-troops-amassing-in-jordan-on-syrian-border/ (http://patdollard.com/2011/12/report-us-troops-amassing-in-jordan-on-syrian-border/)

We still need a permanent base in Afghanistan and we have to be carefull not to piss off the Paki's and Ruskies.

Lets continue protect other countries borders at our expense. Are you sure you dont write for the Weekly Standard?

[Crispy123]

Lets continue protect other countries borders at our expense.

Or we could get out of Europe, since the cold war and WWII is over and set up shop in the region where the reality of international conflict is taking place.



Are you sure you dont write for the Weekly Standard?

I could, I'm as racist as the next guy. Especially when I'm driving

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or we could get out of Europe, since the cold war and WWII is over and set up shop in the region where the reality of international conflict is taking place.



I could, I'm as racist as the next guy. Especially when I'm driving

No objection to leaving Germany. We dont need 45,000 men there

Whats your reaction to old people in the left lane?

[Crispy123]

No objection to leaving Germany. We dont need 45,000 men there

And all the bases in Italy, Spain, and England. Sure keep some strategic spots but we could pull a lot of our forces out.

Whats your reaction to old people in the left lane?

I call them F'ing, DS'ing N's that S in their mother's F'ing AH.

[Bob Impact]

So I'm pretty pissed off he signed that shit defense authorization bill (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/31/obama-defense-bill_n_1177836.html). But his recess appointment of the head of CFPB (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/richard-cordray-recess-appointment_n_1184077.html) and NLRB members (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/04/obama-nlrb-recess-appointments-labor-unions_n_1184285.html) is a great move.

Having Bin Laden killed, ending the war in Iraq and the planned troop drawdown (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-help-unveil-realistic-military-plan-205247377.html) from Afghanistan means he still has my vote.

He better work to get the indefinite detention deemed unconstitutional, establish a permanent base in Afghanistan and Saudi, and have jobs for these sailors, soldiers, airmen, and marines when they get out.
He's not going to do a fucking thing about indefinite detention, just understand that Bush and Obama will have EXACTLY the same legacy in 20 years: Economically irresponsible men who delivered the first and second nails in the coffin of civil liberties in this country. The Patriot Act cracked the door open by setting the precedent and NDAA continued it. It's the same guy with different heads, every 4 to 8 years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The champagne will be flowing today 8.5% unemployment rate.


Those are still seasonal jobs of people being hired in December

[JimBeam]

Where the hell are these 200K jobs ?

If you believe the news my company, a Top 50 company that makes money hand over fist, is about to layoff 4K people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

people are beyond the weeks that they can collect unemployment

Thats the other side they wont tell



800 BILLION Dollars spent almost 3 years ago and the rate is above what the administration promised

Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer wrote those predictions


Trillions of dollars of deficit spending and this is what we have. Hail Mediocrity

[StanUpshaw]

people are beyond the weeks that they can collect unemployment

Thats the other side they wont tell



800 BILLION Dollars spent almost 3 years ago and the rate is above what the administration promised

Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer wrote those predictions


Trillions of dollars of deficit spending and this is what we have. Hail Mediocrity

No but you see, if they didn't spend all that money, we'd have 25% unemployment. As you can see, this has been an unqualified success.

[Crispy123]

people are beyond the weeks that they can collect unemployment

Thats the other side they wont tell



800 BILLION Dollars spent almost 3 years ago and the rate is above what the administration promised

Jared Bernstein and Christina Romer wrote those predictions


Trillions of dollars of deficit spending and this is what we have. Hail Mediocrity


I would love to see the transcripts of this "promised" unemployment rate.

And yes I have seen the graph from 2009 that was a PROJECTED ESTIMATION of the effect of the stimulus.

Would really love to see where a specific unemployment rate was promised tho.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its right here


It was a promise its in black and white.

http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM116_obamadoc.pdf


So either they lied or they are incompetent

[Crispy123]

Its right here


It was a promise its in black and white.

http://www.politico.com/pdf/PPM116_obamadoc.pdf


So either they lied or they are incompetent

I would love to see the transcripts of this "promised" unemployment rate.
And yes I have seen the graph from 2009 that was a PROJECTED ESTIMATION of the effect of the stimulus.
Would really love to see where a specific unemployment rate was promised tho.OR you are making shit up as usual.

First paragraph of your link:

A key goal enunciated by the President-Elect concerning the American Recovery and Reinvestment
Plan is that it should save or create at least 3 million jobs by the end of 2010. For this reason, we
have undertaken a preliminary analysis of the jobs effects of some of the prototypical recovery
packages being discussed. Our analysis will surely evolve as we and other economists work further
on this topic. The results will also change as the actual package parameters are determined in
cooperation with the Congress. Nevertheless, this report suggests a methodology for ensuring that
the package contains enough stimulus that we can have confidence that it will create sufficient jobs
to meet the President-Elect’s goals

why do I continue to engage you??? YOU DONT EVEN FUCKING READ YOUR OWN LINKS!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OR you are making shit up as usual.

First paragraph of your link:

why do I continue to engage you??? YOU DONT EVEN FUCKING READ YOUR OWN LINKS!!!

The only ones making shit up are the incompetents that the Administration surrounds themselves with


They were the experts. They were the smartest people in the room. You can't deal with the fact that they were wrong.


Looks like DWS was making shit up

http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-spokane/debbie-wasserman-schultz-falsely-claims-unemployment-did-not-go-up-under-obama

[Crispy123]

you are pathetic. I'm done. You obviously can't read or comprehend. I'm assuming that's why you keep coming into THIS thread in the first place.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You should be pissed at this administration and its failed policies of job growth,

5 Trillion dollars of debt piled up and we have higher unemployment with stimulus, empty promises, and false hope from this fucking gang of retards in the administration from the top down

[Crispy123]

U sure I shouldn't be pissed becuz we have a Kenyen, Muslim, Socialist in charge???

That N-word can't take away my GOD given right to own my gunzzzz heeeyaa!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

U sure I shouldn't be pissed becuz we have a Kenyen, Muslim, Socialist in charge???

That N-word can't take away my GOD given right to own my gunzzzz heeeyaa!!!

No we have a champion of the working class who cares about working people , we have an anti war, pro civil liberties president who fundamentally changed Washington DC and was able to bring hope.

YES WE CAN!!!!!

SI SE PUEDE


GO AMERICA FUCK YEA!!!!!!

[Crispy123]

No we have a champion of the working class who cares about working people , we have an anti war, pro civil liberties president who fundamentally changed Washington DC and was able to bring hope.

YES WE CAN!!!!!

SI SE PUEDE


GO AMERICA FUCK YEA!!!!!!

Exactly! There is plenty to knock him on, so I assume its the racism that causes you to blatantly make shit up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Exactly! There is plenty to knock him on, so I assume its the racism that causes you to blatantly make shit up.

Racism.

That old gag again?


Its Obama who kills brown people

[Crispy123]

Racism.

That old gag again?

Putting words into peoples mouths and making shit up again? Fox news would be proud!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Putting words into peoples mouths and making shit up again? Fox news would be proud!

Fox News!!!!!! all the lines are being spewed today

[Crispy123]

I won't change if you won't. Pinky swear?

[epo]

Jobs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/stephjmort/United%20States/Jobs_Chart_Private_Sector_Since_Obama_took_office_ 2009_2011.jpg

[Syd]

Wages were up too, so it just wasn't shit temporary jobs for the holidays.

[Recyclerz]

Jobs.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/stephjmort/United%20States/Jobs_Chart_Private_Sector_Since_Obama_took_office_ 2009_2011.jpg

There must have been something that happened a few months after Obama was elected that stopped the free fall in the economy and slowly, very slowly, started making things less bad then somewhat better. Hmm, I wonder what it could have been. Maybe if I apply some stimulus to my thoughts I could remember what it was.


Also Obama still doesn't like pirates. (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/06/u-s-military-rescues-iranians-captured-by-pirates/?hp)

That one's on the house Mahmoud.

[StanUpshaw]

There must have been something that happened a few months after Obama was elected that stopped the free fall in the economy and slowly, very slowly, started making things less bad then somewhat better. Hmm, I wonder what it could have been. Maybe if I apply some stimulus to my thoughts I could remember what it was.

Righty-O

http://i.imgur.com/iUwoo.jpg

[Recyclerz]

Righty-O

http://i.imgur.com/iUwoo.jpg

Who was making up those expected employment numbers? Crazed or Superstar?

[hanso]

It's high time these recess appointments are made. This administration has 25 % less appointees then the last had by the same point in the term.

Did you know there is a 'printer' that needs to be put into government? And even this title wasn't confirmed.

[epo]

It's high time these recess appointments are made. This administration has 25 % less appointees then the last had by the same point in the term.

Did you know there is a 'printer' that needs to be put into government? And even this title wasn't confirmed.

The holding of appointments from a vote is meant to stop bad appointments, not to stop the function of government.

We've reached the point where the public has noticed that McConnell & Boehner have no intention of letting this President do something as simple as appointing judges or professional staff.

I wouldn't be surprised if the economy continues to recover if November 2012 is very bad for the GOP.

[JimBeam]

Obama to businesses: Bring jobs home

http://http://news.yahoo.com/obama-businesses-bring-jobs-home-110354353.html

Am I reading this story in the same week as I finally learned about the cars being made overseas after a $500 million dollar loan to make them here ?

[Bob Impact]

Wages were up too, so it just wasn't shit temporary jobs for the holidays.

Wages went up around the time employers start giving wage increases and annual bonuses? Amazing!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Article 1 section 5


Article I, Section 5, of the Constitution states that neither house of Congress may adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other house.


Obama violated the constitution with his phony recess appointment.


The house didnt approve of the recess.

[Crispy123]

**.net psychic, .net psychic**:

The appointments will be reviewed by the Supreme Court and will be upheld. Congress will no longer be able to usurp Executive authority with bullshit pro forma sessions.

[JimBeam]

Or the Superem Court could prevent a president from bypassing Congress.

[epo]

Article 1 section 5


Article I, Section 5, of the Constitution states that neither house of Congress may adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other house.


Obama violated the constitution with his phony recess appointment.


The house didnt approve of the recess.

If they aren't in recess, then where are the committee meetings? Or the legislative sessions?

If they aren't in recess, then why aren't they doing their jobs?

[Crispy123]

Or the Superem Court could prevent a president from bypassing Congress.

Those without "the gift" will just have to wait for the Superem Court to hear it.

side note; I really hope the chief justice is this guy:

http://www.antiquiet.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/eminem-fill2.jpg

[epo]

**.net psychic, .net psychic**:

The appointments will be reviewed by the Supreme Court and will be upheld. Congress will no longer be able to usurp Executive authority with bullshit pro forma sessions.

Its funny how executive authority was AWESOME when Bush was President and well...you can fill in the rest.

[Crispy123]

Its funny how executive authority was AWESOME when Bush was President and well...you can fill in the rest.

http://thepotvinreport.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/racism-graph.jpg?w=811&h=588

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its funny how executive authority was AWESOME when Bush was President and well...you can fill in the rest.


Ive said a thousand times Bush expanded the fed gov't the most since LBJ


Obama was supposed to be a transformative President who was going to change how the office was governed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If they aren't in recess, then where are the committee meetings? Or the legislative sessions?

If they aren't in recess, then why aren't they doing their jobs?

Senate is in pro forma session

[Crispy123]

Ive said a thousand times Bush expanded the fed gov't the most since LBJ


Obama was supposed to be a transformative President who was going to change how the office was governed.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss

Wait a second, aren't you the one arguing he is doing unheard of new shit with these appointments???

Which one is it, Sybil???

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wait a second, aren't you the one arguing he is doing unheard of new shit with these appointments???

Which one is it, Sybil???

If the Senate was actually in recess then he can make appointments.


Again Obama was supposed to be about change and not going along with business as usual.

[Crispy123]

If the Senate was actually in recess then he can make appointments.


Again Obama was supposed to be about change and not going along with business as usual.

I get what you are saying.

Do YOU get that you are posting he is NOT doing business as usual and then bashing him FOR EXACTLY THAT???

[epo]

Senate is in pro forma session

In other words, not a real session.

[Dude!]

In other words, not a real session.

future republican presidents
will do this too

then you'll be all whiney
about the illegality

[spoon]

future republican presidents
will do this too

then you'll be all whiney
about the illegality

will do this?

ha!

you're hilarious

[hanso]

If the Senate was actually in recess then he can make appointments.


Again Obama was supposed to be about change and not going along with business as usual.

They meet for less than a minute every three days like I already responded to you! Ugh put it this way turn on C-SPAN and try to watch them.

Have you seen any congressional approval ratings lately?

Congress Approval Ratings at 5% | Mike Huckabee | Pedophiles ...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mike-huckabee-on-congress-approval-ratings-slipping-to-5-just-barely-above-a-pedophile/

http://timer.onlineclock.net/timers/1minute/
Go here hit start, this is your House of Representatives hard at work every three days. While you bitch about Obama's Vacation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obama-picked-right-fight-over-recess-appointments/2011/03/04/gIQA0DOgfP_blog.html
This kinda of explains it.

[TooLowBrow]

“Why do we need a Constitution? We already have the Koran, which has all the laws we need as a society.”

[Crispy123]

"I like what you did while stroking the shaft."

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brewerobama1.jpg

"It's called milking the prostate."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They meet for less than a minute every three days like I already responded to you! Ugh put it this way turn on C-SPAN and try to watch them.

Have you seen any congressional approval ratings lately?

Congress Approval Ratings at 5% | Mike Huckabee | Pedophiles ...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mike-huckabee-on-congress-approval-ratings-slipping-to-5-just-barely-above-a-pedophile/

http://timer.onlineclock.net/timers/1minute/
Go here hit start, this is your House of Representatives hard at work every three days. While you bitch about Obama's Vacation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/obama-picked-right-fight-over-recess-appointments/2011/03/04/gIQA0DOgfP_blog.html
This kinda of explains it.



Congress includes the Senate also. Last time I checked its a mostly Democratic senate

Good. The less time thy are in DC Fucking up our country with 2000 page bills, the better.
Obama will have all the time to golf this time next year when he's running the speech circuit

Senate was never in recess.

[Crispy123]

“Why do we need a Constitution? We already have the Koran, which has all the laws we need as a society.”

You are forgetting that only Jesus came to America not Buddha or Muhammad.

[A.J.]

You are forgetting that only Jesus came to America not Buddha or Muhammad.

That's true. Ask Joseph Smith.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brewerobama1.jpg

Yo why u up in my grill beyyatchhhh

[spoon]

That's true. Ask Joseph Smith.

asshole gave those sweet plates back though!

[epo]

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brewerobama1.jpg

These tinfoil Tea Party idiots have run their course.

[Snacks]

http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/brewerobama1.jpg

the lack of respect that obama gets from the right is scary. This president has done everything to be a centrist yet he gets treated like Bush probably should have. People seem to think if this were a liberal gov doing this to Bush the left would stand behind the gov. That might be true but the real truth is no dem gov or sen would actually do anything like this in public to make a scene and disrespect our president.

[epo]

the lack of respect that obama gets from the right is scary. This president has done everything to be a centrist yet he gets treated like Bush probably should have. People seem to think if this were a liberal gov doing this to Bush the left would stand behind the gov. That might be true but the real truth is no dem gov or sen would actually do anything like this in public to make a scene and disrespect our president.

Minor disagreement here. No President should be treated like this.

Disagreements, absolutely. But the disrespect the GOP has shown for President Obama has been disgusting.

[Snacks]

Minor disagreement here. No President should be treated like this.

Disagreements, absolutely. But the disrespect the GOP has shown for President Obama has been disgusting.

I agree Im just saying that in private Im sure they have heated arguments. Just like the goalie not going to the white house. He has every right to not like Obama or agree with his policies. But where he was wrong is these meetings arent meant to be political but our president honoring a national sport championship. If I were invited to the white house to meet Bush I would 100% go no matter how much I hated everything he did. But he was my president and I respect him if only for that reason.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Minor disagreement here. No President should be treated like this.

Disagreements, absolutely. But the disrespect the GOP has shown for President Obama has been disgusting.

Yea and the disrespect the Democrats showed Bush never happened.


Dont even use the false equivilance line either!!!!


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[spoon]

man i don't miss the days of that utter fool at the wheel

sad to think the people behind him were even worse

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The foolishness continues.


And the supporting cast of Geithner, Biden Holder Napolitano and others are just as bad

[spoon]

not so much

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh of course not. Obama has surrounded himself with honorable people, probably the most ethical people in history

:wallbash::wallbash:

[Bob Impact]

the lack of respect that obama gets from the right is scary. This president has done everything to be a centrist yet he gets treated like Bush probably should have. People seem to think if this were a liberal gov doing this to Bush the left would stand behind the gov. That might be true but the real truth is no dem gov or sen would actually do anything like this in public to make a scene and disrespect our president.

I agree with the point but in my mind its the general lack of respect for the office/ increasingly contentious nature of politics that causes this type of disgusting behavior, it's not tied to a single party.

[hanso]

I get what you are saying.

Do YOU get that you are posting he is NOT doing business as usual and then bashing him FOR EXACTLY THAT???

Thought the same, what change could come from this inaction of the house/senate can only be for the better.



As for Gov. Jan Brewer as I said before she is nothing but a bitch of a witch and will never change.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Thought the same, what change could come from this inaction of the house/senate can only be for the better.



As for Gov. Jan Brewer as I said before she is nothing but a bitch of a witch and will never change.

Obama and Holder are the bitches who sue a state for enforcing its laws but wont touch sanctuary cities.

[Crispy123]

Obama and Holder are the bitches who sue a state for enforcing its laws but wont touch sanctuary cities.

You mean the federal government sues States for trying to enforce federal law. Crazy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You mean the federal government sues States for trying to enforce federal law. Crazy.

They are simply mirroring federal law. If someone is in the US illegally, they are also in a state illegally.


Again AZ isnt deporting people, thats still a federal power.

[Crispy123]

"A patchwork of immigration laws is not the answer and will only create further problems in our immigration system," Attorney General Eric Holder said in a news release. "The federal government is the chief enforcer of immigration laws and while we appreciate cooperation from states, which remains important, it is clearly unconstitutional for a state to set its own immigration policy.".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The state isnt naturalizing anyone or deporting people either.


What the federal gov't is doing is unconstitutional


Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

Article 4 doesnt ban the states from protecting their own borders, they have every right to pass anti illegal alien laws.



Holder sues AZ but wont sue CA for giving in state tuition to illegals.

Holder admitted that he never read the bill. It was only 15 pages. Maybe he was too busy conspiring selling Weapons to mexican cartels at that time. Cant wait for him to stand fast in front of Issa's committee in a few days.

[hanso]

Obama and Holder are the bitches who sue a state for enforcing its laws but wont touch sanctuary cities.

Oh that's right states can make law overriding the fed. and constitution TY for pointing that out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh that's right states can make law overriding the fed. and constitution TY for pointing that out.

AZ is not overriding the fed. One more time, AZ is neither deporting or naturalizing people Do you even know the concept of SB 1070?


Holder doesnt since he admitted to not reading it

[hanso]

The state isnt naturalizing anyone or deporting people either.


What the federal gov't is doing is unconstitutional


Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

Article 4 doesnt ban the states from protecting their own borders, they have every right to pass anti illegal alien laws.



Holder sues AZ but wont sue CA for giving in state tuition to illegals.

Holder admitted that he never read the bill. It was only 15 pages. Maybe he was too busy conspiring selling Weapons to mexican cartels at that time. Cant wait for him to stand fast in front of Issa's committee in a few days.

Perry has done this in Texas what are you getting at?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Perry has done this in Texas what are you getting at?

who said that I agreed with Perry on this ?


Everything the GOP implements doesnt mean that I march lockstep.


If it benefits illegal aliens, the DoJ doesnt sue. The Democrats look to illegal aliens as potential future voters

[hanso]

AZ is not overriding the fed. One more time, AZ is neither deporting or naturalizing people Do you even know the concept of SB 1070?


Holder doesnt since he admitted to not reading it

Of course I do. I have seen the backlash. Same as the other states that have done the same.

[hanso]

Everything the GOP implements doesnt jive federal laws.



Fixed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Of course I do. I have seen the backlash. Same as the other states that have done the same.

Backlash is DoJ suing them.



Ive explained this before but I'll do it again.


SB1070

A car is speeding with a broken tail light. Car gets pulled over, driver has no lic registration insurance. Driver speaks no english. Cop runs the info and turns out hes here illegally. Cop arrests driver. ICE is contacted. A detainer is placed on him so even if there is bail he cant be released. Illegal gets deported via judge


There needs to be probable cause. and above was a scenario

[Crispy123]

You mean the federal government sues States for trying to enforce federal law. Crazy.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Federal law makes murder illegal.


So does state law.



State law mirroring federal law.


In the country illegally , in the state illegally.

[hanso]

Everything the GOP implements doesnt jive with federal law.




Fixed with examples

Welfare Drug Testing- Abortion- and this to name a few.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Fixed with examples

Welfare Drug Testing- Abortion- and this to name a few.



Both should be state matters.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Democrat examples

Obamacare, Dept of Education just to name a few

[hanso]

Both should be state matters.

Than do it the right way, not by cowardly end arounds.

[hanso]

Democrat examples

Obamacare, Dept of Education just to name a few

Not state implemented.

[hanso]

Federal law makes murder illegal.


So does state law.



State law mirroring federal law.


In the country illegally , in the state illegally.

Not mirroring if it was it would be a redundancy, the thing that gets cut from government. Truth is it goes much further than that and is a burden.

Murder is bad example there are levels that make it a federal crime.

[PapaBear]

Murder is bad example there are levels that make it a federal crime.
Right. Not all murder is a Federal crime. Only murder under certain circumstances (and there a many).

[spoon]

The state isnt naturalizing anyone or deporting people either.


What the federal gov't is doing is unconstitutional


Article 4 Section 4 of our Constitution: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."

Article 4 doesnt ban the states from protecting their own borders, they have every right to pass anti illegal alien laws.



Holder sues AZ but wont sue CA for giving in state tuition to illegals.

Holder admitted that he never read the bill. It was only 15 pages. Maybe he was too busy conspiring selling Weapons to mexican cartels at that time. Cant wait for him to stand fast in front of Issa's committee in a few days.

ha, this has to be the 150th time you posted this

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Man in Obama mask robs McDonalds




http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46226112/ns/local_news-miami_fl/t/obama-mask-robber-hit-mcdonalds/

[A.J.]

That's a slap in the face to Michelle Obama's "Let's Move!" program.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe he was getting fries for FLOTUS. Thats one of her fave foods

[Crispy123]

President "I don't want kids to starve in America"

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