Obama - Best President Ever?

[Dudeman]

Thank you federal gov't for another 2500 page bill that fixes nothing

under the old system, if a person without insurance or a way of paying for healthcare showed up in the ER with a serious issue (think car accident, pneumonia, premature delivery) they would get care. no doctor would or could turn away a patient in need. someone, however, would ultimately have to pay for those patients... you, the government, etc. THAT was socialized medicine. That is what got fixed. You don't know jack shit about the healthcare system; you know some bumpersticker slogans. Until you get out of your basement and into the real world, pay your taxes like a big boy.

The other thing that got fixed was preventing the insurance companies from fucking over people with pre-exisiting conditions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

under the old system, if a person without insurance or a way of paying for healthcare showed up in the ER with a serious issue (think car accident, pneumonia, premature delivery) they would get care. no doctor would or could turn away a patient in need. someone, however, would ultimately have to pay for those patients... you, the government, etc. THAT was socialized medicine. That is what got fixed. You don't know jack shit about the healthcare system; you know some bumpersticker slogans. Until you get out of your basement and into the real world, pay your taxes like a big boy.

The other thing that got fixed was preventing the insurance companies from fucking over people with pre-exisiting conditions.

Wow we have another naive soul who believes this will fix everything. How cute

[WRESTLINGFAN]

under the old system, if a person without insurance or a way of paying for healthcare showed up in the ER with a serious issue (think car accident, pneumonia, premature delivery) they would get care. no doctor would or could turn away a patient in need. someone, however, would ultimately have to pay for those patients... you, the government, etc. THAT was socialized medicine. That is what got fixed. You don't know jack shit about the healthcare system; you know some bumpersticker slogans. Until you get out of your basement and into the real world, pay your taxes like a big boy.

The other thing that got fixed was preventing the insurance companies from fucking over people with pre-exisiting conditions.

ALL behaviors can have a potential effect on our health. If you like to ride a bike and its determined bikers cost the healthcare system due to injuries, what do you think will happen?? Tax on bicycles !!!!!

[A.J.]

Higher taxes on jogging shoes! They lead to knee replacement surgeries!

[Dudeman]

Wow we have another naive soul who believes this will fix everything. How cute

wow, you can't see what is right in front of you.

Nowhere did I write that it fixes everything. Nowhere.
But you did absolutely write that it fixes nothing.


But I seen in the past year since I;ve been around, nothing has changed. You don't address the actual points in the post, rather you mischaracterize and/or change subjects.

You're still sad and pathetic. I hope you find something better to do than post 30 times a day on a shock jock radio show messageboard. If the people can fix all of societies problems without government, why don't you leave your basement and do something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wow, you can't see what is right in front of you.

Nowhere did I write that it fixes everything. Nowhere.
But you did absolutely write that it fixes nothing.


But I seen in the past year since I;ve been around, nothing has changed. You don't address the actual points in the post, rather you mischaracterize and/or change subjects.

You're still sad and pathetic. I hope you find something better to do than post 30 times a day on a shock jock radio show messageboard. If the people can fix all of societies problems without government, why don't you leave your basement and do something.

Sounds like you were stuck in the basement



You remain sad with your undying faith in the federal government

[Crispy123]

wow, you can't see what is right in front of you.

Nowhere did I write that it fixes everything. Nowhere.
But you did absolutely write that it fixes nothing.


But I seen in the past year since I;ve been around, nothing has changed. You don't address the actual points in the post, rather you mischaracterize and/or change subjects.

You're still sad and pathetic. I hope you find something better to do than post 30 times a day on a shock jock radio show messageboard. If the people can fix all of societies problems without government, why don't you leave your basement and do something.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-jFCR9oUJSl0/Tqb-WH5VuHI/AAAAAAAABNw/iw0MqwhUjms/s1600/hit-the-nail-on-the-head.jpg

[ozzie]

why don't you leave your basement and do something.

Sounds like you were stuck in the basement


Someone's been studying at the "Davey Mac School of Snappy Comebacks!"

You remain sad with your undying faith in the federal government

No, you're sad and your faith is undying!

Am I doing this right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Roberts knew they'd be trolling for his scalp the rest of his natural life if he didn't get in line


WELL CONGRATS HE DID !!!!!!!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Yeah Romneycare survived on national level! I can't wait to see how he explains why it was ok for Massachusetts ( oh right some of the best hospitals amd doctors in the country.) , and along with it the assault weapons ban he made law, after it expired on national level to the dirt poor hayseeds he's trying to court.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Looks like Obamacare will go down in flames and possibly the Arizona bill will be upheld. Not a good month for the Presidentahem...

You were Wronggggggggggggggggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:clap::thumbup::lol::laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not totally


The heart of the Arizona law was upheld in a 8-0 ruling

Obama wins in the individual mandate. Romney raises 1mm as a result of the ruling and an Obama lie exposed as the IM is a tax

Holder in contempt


In regards to the AZ ruling Obama orders DHS not to take calls from Arizona when an illegal is arrested.


I see now he carries out the laws he agrees with

[Dan 'Hampton]

How does Romney explain the individual mandate in MA?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/523956_10150882539375773_706594350_n.jpg

[Bob Impact]

Emotional arguments everywhere.

Can we all at least agree that the SCOTUS just voted that congress has the power to enforce consumer behavior by leveling a tax against the populous. At no point is that a good thing.

[Jujubees2]

Roberts knew they'd be trolling for his scalp the rest of his natural life if he didn't get in line


WELL CONGRATS HE DID !!!!!!!

Yeah, I'm sure that was his thinking just before he voted....

[Jujubees2]

ALL behaviors can have a potential effect on our health. If you like to ride a bike and its determined bikers cost the healthcare system due to injuries, what do you think will happen?? Tax on bicycles !!!!!

Nope, Tax on strip poles.


Houston passes $5 ‘pole tax’ on strip clubs to fund untested rape kits -- lab work for incomplete sex-crime investigations (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/houston-passes-5-pole-tax-strip-clubs-fund-lab-work-incomplete-sex-crime-investigations-article-1.1104174#ixzz1z8BEaBig)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about taxing non car owners ?


The cost of having people take the bus/train makes them not contribute to tolls,parking fees etc.

[Crispy123]

Emotional arguments everywhere.

Can we all at least agree that the SCOTUS just voted that congress has the power to enforce consumer behavior by leveling a tax against the populous. At no point is that a good thing.

No we cant agree. The power for Congress to levy taxes for the common defence and general welfare of the US is a fundamental principle of the Constitution. And it is a good thing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No we cant agree. The power for Congress to levy taxes for the common defence and general welfare of the US is a fundamental principle of the Constitution. And it is a good thing.

For the 18 enumarated powers thats all they can levy taxes on. You know like maintaining a navy and providing for post offices and post roads.

Its to promote the general welfare and not provide welfare. Read it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So should everyone in St Louis, Detroit, and other big cities be required to buy a gun ? If not pay a tax because its in everyones interest to protect themselves and their families from harm

[Jujubees2]

How about taxing non car owners ?


The cost of having people take the bus/train makes them not contribute to tolls,parking fees etc.

It's actually the other way around. Drivers who pay tolls on the MTA bridges and tunnels have part of that toll go to mass transit.

[hanso]

Looks like AHCAA stands, now we can try to catch up with the rest of the modern world.

Well played SCOTUS Thank you Chief Justice Roberts.

[CurseoftheBambi]

https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/384362_4144008321455_928371304_n.jpg

A lot of this today wasn't it :)

[keithy_19]

So I've lost two jobs because of my pre-exsisting condition. So I don't have insurance. So I can now get government insurance. Problem is, I don't have a job to pay for the government insurance. So I'll get fined for not having insurance. But since I don't have a job I won't be able to pay the fine.

:huh:

[epo]

Healthcare/Hospital stocks soar while rest of market sinks.

Thank you federal gov't for another 2500 page bill that fixes nothing and adds more clutter and bureaucracy to an already flawed system

Actually its a 906-page bill, Captain Talking Point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Actually its a 906-page bill, Captain Talking Point.

Not totally wrong as seen here


http://obamacarewatcher.org/articles/172

Yes final form is 906 pages but does that still make this an efficient law? It only took less than 5000 words to set up the fed gov't

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since this is a tax according to SCOTUS there will be an even bigger IRS to enforce these laws. That means hiring more bureaucrats and IRS agents.



HHS will also expand as well as the FDA and the office of Medicare and thats a conservative estimate more agencies can be created, you people got what you want bigger bloated federal government.

But im sure you still arent happy. Go for it all just push for HR 676 Medicare for all. Single payer

[epo]

Not totally wrong as seen here


http://obamacarewatcher.org/articles/172

Yes final form is 906 pages but does that still make this an efficient law? It only took less than 5000 words to set up the fed gov't

Your claim: 2500 pages.
Actual final form: 906 pages.

Verdict: WF using shitty bumper sticker lies as facts, yet again.

[HBox]

So I've lost two jobs because of my pre-exsisting condition. So I don't have insurance. So I can now get government insurance. Problem is, I don't have a job to pay for the government insurance. So I'll get fined for not having insurance. But since I don't have a job I won't be able to pay the fine.

:huh:

You would be eligible for Medicaid. Which you don't have to pay for. There is no penalty on anyone making less than 133% of poverty level for not having insurance. And if you were just above that income level you would get a large subsidy for purchasing private insurance on the free market and end up paying a yearly premium of less than $1000. That is assuming you didn't already have insurance through your employer, who would be much more likely to offer it because of this law.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your claim: 2500 pages.
Actual final form: 906 pages.

Verdict: WF using shitty bumper sticker lies as facts, yet again.

No lies.

I showed you the 2500 page explanation.

Like 906 pages makes it any better

[keithy_19]

You would be eligible for Medicaid. Which you don't have to pay for. There is no penalty on anyone making less than 133% of poverty level for not having insurance. And if you were just above that income level you would get a large subsidy for purchasing private insurance on the free market and end up paying a yearly premium of less than $1000. That is assuming you didn't already have insurance through your employer, who would be much more likely to offer it because of this law.

So regardless I end up a ward or the state?

[CurseoftheBambi]

ssssssssssssssoooooooooooo how many pages would be acceptable to you then? :wub:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lookie here, another green energy co. tied to Obama bundler


http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-06-28/abound-solar-to-close-as-early-as-today-greentech-media-says

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ssssssssssssssoooooooooooo how many pages would be acceptable to you then? :wub:

Zero, Get the feds out of it.

[HBox]

So regardless I end up a ward or the state?

It's that or you die. There is no magic solution to make all of these expensive treatments with the financial reach of someone who is sick and cannot work and has a very small income. You are going to need assistance from somewhere to get your treatment and we have relied on the private market for that up until now. Do you think it's working? Has it provided this country the health care system we expect?

[keithy_19]

It's that or you die. There is no magic solution to make all of these expensive treatments with the financial reach of someone who is sick and cannot work and has a very small income. You are going to need assistance from somewhere to get your treatment and we have relied on the private market for that up until now. Do you think it's working? Has it provided this country the health care system we expect?

I've gotten my assistance through private companies and state government. But hey, who knows. Not me.

[Dudeman]

Zero, Get the feds out of it.

Your god Rand Paul wants to attach an federal abortion measure to a flood coverage bill, and you are preaching about keeping the Feds out of stuff and having shorter bills????

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/27/flood-insurance-bill-stalled-overabortion/

[epo]

Your god Rand Paul wants to attach an federal abortion measure to a flood coverage bill, and you are preaching about keeping the Feds out of stuff and having shorter bills????

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/06/27/flood-insurance-bill-stalled-overabortion/

That proposed amendment to a Flood Coverage Bill is EXACTLY what is wrong with Washington.

And yet, the anti-government zombies think he's groovy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hint


Everything a politician that I happen to agree with MOST of the time doesnt mean I agree ALL of the time.


stay out of my bedroom Its my choice but support a law that makes you purchase a product from a private insurance company.


Death to incandescent light bulbs you will buy those CFL's

Ive never seen an Obama/Biden bumper sticker on a GM car

[Dude!]

somebody must have
gotten to Roberts...

there were rumblings
at the time of his
confirmation hearings
that he is gay

maybe Axelrod has pictures
of Roberts and Barney Frank
with naked teenage boys

[hanso]

ssssssssssssssoooooooooooo how many pages would be acceptable to you then? :wub:

Enough that it fits on a place mat.

Plan 9-9-9 from outerspace!

[hanso]

You would be eligible for Medicaid. Which you don't have to pay for. There is no penalty on anyone making less than 133% of poverty level for not having insurance. And if you were just above that income level you would get a large subsidy for purchasing private insurance on the free market and end up paying a yearly premium of less than $1000. That is assuming you didn't already have insurance through your employer, who would be much more likely to offer it because of this law.

If Rep's run his state then there is a good chance that state will opt out which they can do from the ruling.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/gmc10058820120628120100.jpg

[A.J.]

Yeah Romneycare survived on national level! I can't wait to see how he explains why it was ok for Massachusetts ( oh right some of the best hospitals amd doctors in the country.) .

Then why don't so many Red Sox players heal properly?

[Syd]

If Rep's run his state then there is a good chance that state will opt out which they can do from the ruling.

The federal government will be happy to set one up for the state if that is the case. Just like ensuring voting rights -- some are just too dysfunctional to run themselves.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Romneycare is a state matter happened to be passed in a mostly very blue state. What works in MA doesnt always work for other states

[ozzie]

Am I the only one who fucking cringes every time I hear an elected official calling it "obamacare".

Seeing Romney last night standing in front of a podium with that sign plastered on it made me really embarrassed for him and his party:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/romney-obamacare.jpg

And using "Romneycare" as a comeback is just as embarrassing.

At least have the balls to tell your constituents that, if elected, you plan to repeal the "Affordable Care Act".

[underdog]

Then why don't so many Red Sox players heal properly?

They spend too much time in Florida.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obamacare is now a badge of honor for you supporters. Embrace it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wanna read about thousands of doctors going Galt. To replace them we can bring in shamans voodoo priests witch doctors elder tribesmen and such. Make it really Affordable and go to a barter system

[Dudeman]

Obamacare is now a badge of honor for you supporters. Embrace it

3 points. I quote:

1. It’s not perfect, by a long shot — it is, after all, originally a Republican plan, devised long ago as a way to forestall the obvious alternative of extending Medicare to cover everyone. As a result, it’s an awkward hybrid of public and private insurance that isn’t the way anyone would have designed a system from scratch. And there will be a long struggle to make it better, just as there was for Social Security. (Bring back the public option!) But it’s still a big step toward a better — and by that I mean morally better — society.


2. But what was and is really striking about the anti-reformers is their cruelty. It would be one thing if, at any point, they had offered any hint of an alternative proposal to help Americans with pre-existing conditions, Americans who simply can’t afford expensive individual insurance, Americans who lose coverage along with their jobs. But it has long been obvious that the opposition’s goal is simply to kill reform, never mind the human consequences.


3. But the real winners are ordinary Americans — people like you.

How many people are we talking about? You might say 30 million, the number of additional people the Congressional Budget Office says will have health insurance thanks to Obamacare. But that vastly understates the true number of winners because millions of other Americans — including many who oppose the act — would have been at risk of being one of those 30 million.

So add in every American who currently works for a company that offers good health insurance but is at risk of losing that job (and who isn’t in this world of outsourcing and private equity buyouts?); every American who would have found health insurance unaffordable but will now receive crucial financial help; every American with a pre-existing condition who would have been flatly denied coverage in many states.

In short, unless you belong to that tiny class of wealthy Americans who are insulated and isolated from the realities of most people’s lives, the winners from that Supreme Court decision are your friends, your relatives, the people you work with — and, very likely, you.

[Jujubees2]

Well said Dudeman.

[Dudeman]

Well said Dudeman.

like i wrote, i was quoting someone else

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ill quote PT Barnum "Theres a sucker born every minute"

Now my words.


Obama and supporters claim that this will save us money. They always say that, then everyone is shocked when it costs exponentially more

This is a flawed bill. How many politicians actually read and decoded it? Everything has to be written in a quasi foreign language with thousands of legal words and terms

It justs moves us forward (i know the defenders of the ACA love that term) into eventually HR 676


Govt access to health records,deny treatment and work up more schemes. Insurance companies now working more with government. Like there wont be any corruption and collusion kickbacks and such.


There are millions of wide eyed people who will fall for another gov't scam all written to help the people and make them think that another expansion of the feds is benevolent. but yet the ones in gov't and their connections, union handlers, bundlers etc will never have to comply.

[brettmojo]

Ill quote PT Barnum "Theres a sucker born every minute"

Now my words.


Obama and supporters claim that this will save us money. They always say that, then everyone is shocked when it costs exponentially more

This is a flawed bill. How many politicians actually read and decoded it? Everything has to be written in a quasi foreign language with thousands of legal words and terms

It justs moves us forward (i know the defenders of the ACA love that term) into eventually HR 676


Govt access to health records,deny treatment and work up more schemes. Insurance companies now working more with government. Like there wont be any corruption and collusion kickbacks and such.


There are millions of wide eyed people who will fall for another gov't scam all written to help the people and make them think that another expansion of the feds is benevolent. but yet the ones in gov't and their connections, union handlers, bundlers etc will never have to comply.
Cool.

[Crispy123]

It justs moves us forward

Cool.

I couldnt agree more.

[ozzie]

I'm sure, like a lot of people, I keep asking myself, how will this affect ME?

In this backwards ass state, fucking BCBS has almost a monopoly. I've heard estimates of up to 75% to 80% of Alabamians who have health insurance, have BCBS. They own this state.

There are few other options, and when our company tried to use United Healthcare (for ONE year in 2005), the employees damn near revolted. Personally? I went with the HSA option, and fucking LOVED it! In fact, up until this year, I STILL had a balance on my HSA card from the money I deposited back then.

But, because not everyone's doc was listed, and because so many complained, our company went crawling back to BCBS.

We're a relatively small company (currently under 100 employess), on a very small plan. I manage one department, and am in weekly meetings with the directors, so I have a pretty good idea of what is going on in our company, and will all employees.

I can say for certain that our use of the healthcare plan has NOT increased over the last 10 years. If anything, it has drastically decreased.

Yet our premiums go up at 11% to 13% every year, with no explanation. This is WELL beyond the inflation rate, and I can assure you that wages/salaries have NOT increased at this same rate. So, every year, health care costs take a larger and larger portion of our incomes.

On top of that, BCBS dictates what they will now pay doctors and hospitals in this state, and it's no where near what they're asking. Therefore, the Dr's and hospitals are coming to US (individual users) for the balance.

And as the premiums rise, the portion that the employee pays goes up, and other increases are offset by higher deductibles, co-pays, etc.

This has been going on unchecked since 1999, and there is (was?) no end in sight.

NOW... BCBS must spend 80% of our premiums on actual health care costs. They can only pocket 20% in Admin and "profit". The rest, they now have to refund, and / or lower our premiums for the following year.

I honestly don't see how this is anything but a good thing for ME in my situation, and stage in life.

If you have any FACTS to the contrary, I'll hang up and listen.

[ozzie]

Starting with a fictitious premium of $100 in 1999, below shows how quickly just an 11% annual increase compounds over a very short period of time.

By 2006, it doubles. By this year, it has almost quadrupled. And it was projected to continually grow at this rate for the forseeable future:

1999 - $100.00
2000 - $111.00
2001 - $123.21
2002 - $136.76
2003 - $151.81
2004 - $168.51
2005 - $187.04
2006 - $207.62
2007 - $230.45
2008 - $255.80
2009 - $283.94
2010 - $315.18
2011 - $349.85
2012 - $388.33
2013 - $431.04
2014 - $478.46
2015 - $531.09
2016 - $589.51
2017 - $654.36
2018 - $726.33
2019 - $806.23
2020 - $894.92
2021 - $993.36
2022 - $1,102.63
2023 - $1,223.92
2024 - $1,358.55
2025 - $1,507.99

And there were years that it increased more than 11%.

I'm NOT a "big gubmint" guy, and I hate that it looks like it's going to take legislation to get this system under control... but this is, and has been a serious concern for myself, and my company.

I wish this problem could have been solved by a "free market", but this market down here isn't all that "free", and this problem didn't look like it would have been solved any other way.

Now, our company can escape the bama stranglehold, and we can get competetive bids from companies outside of this godforesaken state, and get our premiums in check.

[underdog]

ELI5: What exactly is Obamacare and what did it change? (http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/vb8vs/eli5_what_exactly_is_obamacare_and_what_did_it/)

[ozzie]

ELI5: What exactly is Obamacare and what did it change? (http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/vb8vs/eli5_what_exactly_is_obamacare_and_what_did_it/)


Thanks, and I will likely be stealing this, and forwarding to some of my foxnews watching friends and co-workers.

That pretty much confirms what I already knew, or thought I understood about it.

I still don't see any downside.

[Jujubees2]

ELI5: What exactly is Obamacare and what did it change? (http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/vb8vs/eli5_what_exactly_is_obamacare_and_what_did_it/)

Thanks.

Had no idea this was an issue:

It forbids insurance companies from discriminating based on a disability, or because they were the victim of domestic abuse in the past (yes, insurers really did deny coverage for that) ( Citation: Page 47, sec. 2705 )

[sailor]

Thanks, and I will likely be stealing this, and forwarding to some of my foxnews watching friends and co-workers.

That pretty much confirms what I already knew, or thought I understood about it.

I still don't see any downside.

Ask Jenny.

[underdog]

Thanks, and I will likely be stealing this, and forwarding to some of my foxnews watching friends and co-workers.

That pretty much confirms what I already knew, or thought I understood about it.

I still don't see any downside.

They might not understand it, though. It's written at a level for a 5 year old to understand.

[ozzie]

Ask Jenny.

Think I saw that earlier.

It's none of my biz what her income is, but assuming she's over the 133% line ($14,856 annual for single), and would now have to pick up insurance (or pay the penalty)... I can understand how this sucks for her.

My sis is a health administrator in that area, so I'm somewhat aware of the high cost of living out there. I'm not sure $14.8k is a fair number for all areas of the country.

But because of my relation, I'm also aware of my sister's plight, and the cost of providing "emergency" care to thousands of people with zero insurance, or means to pay for their care.

I can guarantee you that her hospital does not take a "loss". This is not a non-profit organization. They make it up other ways, and from other people who can pay.

And that's not exactly fair either.

So... if not this, then what is the answer?

I hate to say it, but it sounds like the cost of keeping a nanny just went up.

[Crispy123]

They might not understand it, though. It's written at a level for a 5 year old to understand.

I posted it to my fb. cant wait to see what my racist uncles have to say...

[jennysmurf]

Think I saw that earlier.

It's none of my biz what her income is, but assuming she's over the 133% line ($14,856 annual for single), and would now have to pick up insurance (or pay the penalty)... I can understand how this sucks for her.

My sis is a health administrator in that area, so I'm somewhat aware of the high cost of living out there. I'm not sure $14.8k is a fair number for all areas of the country.

But because of my relation, I'm also aware of my sister's plight, and the cost of providing "emergency" care to thousands of people with zero insurance, or means to pay for their care.

I can guarantee you that her hospital does not take a "loss". This is not a non-profit organization. They make it up other ways, and from other people who can pay.

And that's not exactly fair either.

So... if not this, then what is the answer?

I hate to say it, but it sounds like the cost of keeping a nanny just went up.

Would they be required to pay for my insurance? As it stands now, they aren't. That would certainly make my worries go away. They can spare the extra cash, they just don't.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy


Gee what should I have, a salad or a double quarter pounder w/ cheese?


Kids can continue to be covered by their parents' health insurance until they're 26

A 26 year old is a kid ?


It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths

So much for the tax promise in 2008



I hope the worst happens and all you cheering for this get rejected treatment. lets see what happens when they say fuck you, youre too old for a hip replacement, I would love to see the expressions on your faces.

[ozzie]

Would they be required to pay for my insurance? As it stands now, they aren't. That would certainly make my worries go away. They can spare the extra cash, they just don't.

I don't think any employer who has under 50 employees is "required" to, no.

But, if they have the means, and appreciate you and your work, hopefully they would understand the cost increase, and pick up the tab.

I really do hope that this works out for you.

[underdog]

It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods, so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy


Gee what should I have, a salad or a double quarter pounder w/ cheese?


Kids can continue to be covered by their parents' health insurance until they're 26

A 26 year old is a kid ?


It creates a new 10% tax on indoor tanning booths

So much for the tax promise in 2008



I hope the worst happens and all you cheering for this get rejected treatment. lets see what happens when they say fuck you, youre too old for a hip replacement, I would love to see the expressions on your faces.

What?

[sailor]

Think I saw that earlier.

It's none of my biz what her income is, but assuming she's over the 133% line ($14,856 annual for single), and would now have to pick up insurance (or pay the penalty)... I can understand how this sucks for her.

My sis is a health administrator in that area, so I'm somewhat aware of the high cost of living out there. I'm not sure $14.8k is a fair number for all areas of the country.

But because of my relation, I'm also aware of my sister's plight, and the cost of providing "emergency" care to thousands of people with zero insurance, or means to pay for their care.

I can guarantee you that her hospital does not take a "loss". This is not a non-profit organization. They make it up other ways, and from other people who can pay.

And that's not exactly fair either.

So... if not this, then what is the answer?

I hate to say it, but it sounds like the cost of keeping a nanny just went up.

As for me, having had insurance forever, it certainly looks like a net good. I just remember a time when this plan would have sucked for me and I feel for those people.

[ozzie]

As for me, having had insurance forever, it certainly looks like a net good. I just remember a time when this plan would have sucked for me and I feel for those people.

As do I.

But I get what they're trying to do, in trying to come up with a number, and saying that if you make more than that, then what the hell are you doing without insurance, and being a burden on those of us that do pay premiums?

Is the number fair? Looking at Jenny's case, and particularly for where she lives, maybe not.

I thought I saw where if you were right around the 133% mark, that the annual premium was almost 1k. Which makes it more than 14% of your annual income.

So, no, this isn't perfect, and may not be fair, but it's also not fair the way it is now.

I'm quite sure that part of the 11% to 13% increase we're paying every year is to pick up part of the cost of treating those that could have paid, but decided to "take their chance" and not gotten coverage.

So, because emergency rooms won't turn anyone away, and yet still find a way to make a profit, isn't the old system already basically "socialized medicine"?

[sailor]

In terms of that, if your premium would be over a certain percent of your income (I think 8%) you can opt out.

As for the socialized medicine, as I've said elsewhere, I'd have less of a problem if it was socialized medicine for all, paid thru your taxes. My only real concern is the people who could be forced to buy something they can't afford.

[A.J.]

I still have my .net Moderator insurance plan, right?

[sailor]

I still have my .net Moderator insurance plan, right?

Of course, and now they can't take it away from you and our premiums should be going down.

[A.J.]

:clap:

[keithy_19]

I still have my .net Moderator insurance plan, right?

Oh shit, I didn't know about this. Nice. I'm not worried about anything now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/524023_10150892673130779_1768460256_n.jpg

[epo]

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/524023_10150892673130779_1768460256_n.jpg

Really?

Your obsession with immigrants and Obama is just fucking disturbing.

[Furtherman]

Disturbing to say the least. Most if it is distorted facts aimed at... I'm not sure.

[Dude!]

Your obsession with Obama is just fucking disturbing.

says the Walker stalker

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Disturbing to say the least. Most if it is distorted facts aimed at... I'm not sure.

The President distorted the facts.


Its a tax.

[hanso]

The President distorted the facts.


Its a tax.

Who pays 2% ?

[TripleSkeet]

I dont really give a fuck who likes it or not. My mom needs affordable healthcare, now shell be able to have it. Anyone that doesnt like it can suck a dick.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who pays 2% ?

Same argument was made 100 years ago in regards to the 16th amendment

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ask Elizabeth Warrens people about affordable healthcare, There's a saying dont get sick after July.


Nobody is against affordable care, but there should be quality and an efficient product/system


Another federal program and bureaucracy leads us further down that paved road to hell with the cause of good intentions

[brettmojo]

Nobody is against affordable care,

LOLZ!

but there should be quality and an efficient product/system
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[sailor]

Oh shit, I didn't know about this. Nice. I'm not worried about anything now.

We don't cover ambien.

[keithy_19]

I dont really give a fuck who likes it or not. My mom needs affordable healthcare, now shell be able to have it. Anyone that doesnt like it can suck a dick.

But...I can't really get it. So...um, doesn't that level it out?

[keithy_19]

We don't cover ambien.

The beauty is the prescription plan I'm under for generic meds at my local A&P pharmacy has ambien for 14.99. So, fuck it. It's cheaper to not hgave insurance and get it through that.

My other meds that keep me functioning? Not so good.

[hanso]

Same argument was made 100 years ago in regards to the 16th amendment

Is car Inc. a tax? It's also something everyone should have (car owners)

Roberts made the claim to get it over the hump. It dosen't matter how it's defined just that it now stands.

[epo]

I dont really give a fuck who likes it or not. My mom needs affordable healthcare, now shell be able to have it. Anyone that doesnt like it can suck a dick.

At the end of the day if we are supposed to be the richest country in the world, the greatest country in the world, and Reagan's Shining City on a Hill...we should make sure that every person in this nation has fair access to health care. It's the humane thing to do.

End of fucking point.

[Dudeman]

At the end of the day if we are supposed to be the richest country in the world, the greatest country in the world, and Reagan's Shining City on a Hill...we should make sure that every person in this nation has fair access to health care. It's the humane thing to do.

End of fucking point.

In Ron Paul and WF's world, the people who don't have insurance are healthy 30 year old white males who choose not to buy it. They lack the intellect and compassion to see the people who want health insurance, but can't get it- lost their job, can't afford it, or have a pre-existing condition. Or they blame those people for their place in life- and sometime that may be true, but certainly not everyone.

[A.J.]

At the end of the day if we are supposed to be the richest country in the world, the greatest country in the world, and Reagan's Shining City on a Hill...we should make sure that every person in this nation has fair access to health care. It's the humane thing to do.

End of fucking point.

Even the people who are here illegally?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is car Inc. a tax? It's also something everyone should have (car owners)

Roberts made the claim to get it over the hump. It dosen't matter how it's defined just that it now stands.

Car Insurance is mandated by the states.


Roberts opened the door to. Under the Commerce clause you dont have to buy anything the government says but if you dont you will be taxed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

At the end of the day if we are supposed to be the richest country in the world, the greatest country in the world, and Reagan's Shining City on a Hill...we should make sure that every person in this nation has fair access to health care. It's the humane thing to do.

End of fucking point.

MURRRRRRRRRRRRICA !!!!!!!!!!!!

[underdog]

Even the people who are here illegally?

Yes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In Ron Paul and WF's world, the people who don't have insurance are healthy 30 year old white males who choose not to buy it. They lack the intellect and compassion to see the people who want health insurance, but can't get it- lost their job, can't afford it, or have a pre-existing condition. Or they blame those people for their place in life- and sometime that may be true, but certainly not everyone.

Oh yes, a bunch of federal overlords you worship are going to be the panacea to a system which needed reform but like the gullible person you are, you just fall in line and believe that an already inept, corrupt federal government will be the cure.

Anyone who believes this is free market principles is just clueless. Its gov't and an industry colluding.


However you might still not be happy enough. Do you want to go all in and go single payer?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another factor on Romneycare.


It was voted on by the electorate.

[hanso]

Even the people who are here illegally?

"We have a pond in the back. We have a pool and a pond. The pond would be good for them."

[hanso]

Car Insurance is mandated by the states.


Roberts opened the door to. Under the Commerce clause you dont have to buy anything the government says but if you dont you will be taxed.

As did Romney to a higher extent.

[A.J.]

"We have a pond in the back. We have a pool and a pond. The pond would be good for them."

Fresh water.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What were the details in the other ruling about the stolen valor act? I think that was struck down because saying that you're a MOH recipient even though you never served in the military is considered free speech.

[hanso]

Fresh water.

Don't drink the water.

[hanso]

What were the details in the other ruling about the stolen valor act? I think that was struck down because saying that you're a MOH recipient even though you never served in the military is considered free speech.

It is now free speech to lie and don whatever medal you want.

Sacha Baron Cohen 2012 !

[brettmojo]

Another factor on Romneycare.


It was voted on by the electorate.
So was this... Back in November of 2008.

[underdog]

The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/)

That would be the provision of the law, called the medical loss ratio, that requires health insurance companies to spend 80% of the consumers’ premium dollars they collect—85% for large group insurers—on actual medical care rather than overhead, marketing expenses and profit. Failure on the part of insurers to meet this requirement will result in the insurers having to send their customers a rebate check representing the amount in which they underspend on actual medical care.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So was this... Back in November of 2008.

Voters didnt want it and major arm twisting, backroom deals had to be done

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did the Obama admin have pictures of Roberts blowing a goat?


http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/07/01/the-supreme-courts-john-roberts-changed-his-obamacare-vote-in-may/

[Crispy123]

Did the Obama admin have pictures of Roberts blowing a goat?


stay tuned to Fox at 11 to find out!

but seriously if President Obama did have that pic we could lock this thread right now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

stay tuned to Fox at 11 to find out!

but seriously if President Obama did have that pic we could lock this thread right now.

Let us know what you see on Fox

[hanso]

The Bomb Buried In Obamacare Explodes Today (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2011/12/02/the-bomb-buried-in-obamacare-explodes-today-halleluja/)

CEO's must be going nuts.

Sure they are cooking up some nice swindle job.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was hope and change 2 of the 31 flavors?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-talk-obama-kiss-marker-20120816,0,766924.story

[spoon]

oooof

abooooooo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did they have their ice cream in a Tony Rez-Kone?

Obamas favorite flavor. Chocolate Lab

[A.J.]

Was hope and change 2 of the 31 flavors?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-talk-obama-kiss-marker-20120816,0,766924.story

"On our first date, I treated her to the finest ice cream Baskin-Robbins had to offer, our dinner table doubling as the curb. I kissed her, and it tasted like chocolate."


More like SEXUAL chocolate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539412_423127681078643_1213099344_n.jpg

[Dude!]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/539412_423127681078643_1213099344_n.jpg

best picture yet!

i hope they find
a non-fuzzy version

[WRESTLINGFAN]

best picture yet!

i hope they find
a non-fuzzy version

Now thats what I call leaked footage

[Dude!]

Now thats what I call leaked footage

i bet obama likes
golden showers

[underdog]

Now thats what I call leaked footage

i bet obama likes
golden showers

you guys should be on Fox & Friends.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i bet obama likes
golden showers

He likes Golden retrievers better

[Dude!]

He likes Golden retrievers better

then why did he marry
a black lab?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our Harvard educated , smartest president ever didnt know how much the debt was when he took office. It took a hasbeen late night TV show host to tell him that it was 10 trillion


Maybe Obama was thinking about staring at Beyonces ass last night and he lost his train of thought

[epo]

WrestlingFan don't fret, Obama will be gone January of 2017.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WrestlingFan don't fret, Obama will be gone January of 2017.

Will he?

Afterall he could sign an executive order giving himself another term. Who needs congress and 3/4 of the states

[Snoogans]

Will he?

Afterall he could sign an executive order giving himself another term. Who needs congress and 3/4 of the states

he could ask bloomberg to teach him how to get it done

[epo]

Will he?

Afterall he could sign an executive order giving himself another term. Who needs congress and 3/4 of the states

At that point he'll have a 6-3 liberal court. He'll rule the world!

Ha!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our smartest president ever goes on Letterman and still parrots the line of his worthless compost heap staff blaming the Bengazi attack on a shady filmmaker when today it was reported that it was a premeditated attack. The same guy who wants to be president for everyone then goes to whore himself like a cheap slut at the Waldorf and at Jay Z's gala

Romneys a super wealthy out of touch plutocrat. Hes not getting my vote. But for anyone to still think that Obama is a man for the "people" and he wants the wealthy to pay more taxes while he raises cash in front of celebrities, hedge fund managers and the same bankers he castigates is childish and naive. They will find every loophole available to avoid paying up.

Hes the same as Romney, a corporate shill and a puppet for the council on foreign relations but with darker skin.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

At that point he'll have a 6-3 liberal court. He'll rule the world!

Ha!!

7-2


Roberts will switch his vote

[Snoogans]

Our smartest president ever goes on Letterman and still parrots the line of his worthless compost heap staff blaming the Bengazi attack on a shady filmmaker when today it was reported that it was a premeditated attack. The same guy who wants to be president for everyone then goes to whore himself like a cheap slut at the Waldorf and at Jay Z's gala

Romneys a super wealthy out of touch plutocrat. Hes not getting my vote. But for anyone to still think that Obama is a man for the "people" and he wants the wealthy to pay more taxes while he raises cash in front of celebrities, hedge fund managers and the same bankers he castigates is childish and naive. They will find every loophole available to avoid paying up.

Hes the same as Romney, a corporate shill and a puppet for the council on foreign relations but with darker skin.

During an appearance at New York University, Libertarian presidential nominee Gary Johnson put a unique spin on the wasted vote and spoiler accusations being thrown at him by Republicans.

“I’m going to argue not that I am the third choice in this election but that I am the only choice in this election. What happens if you all waste your vote on me? I will be the next president of the United States,” he said, drawing an ovation from the crowd.

As Mitt Romney’s campaign has struggled over the last three weeks the spoiler noise from the conservative blogosphere has grown increasingly loud. Republican-led efforts to knock Johnson off the ballot have mostly failed, but he is still in dire straits in Michigan and Oklahoma.

Johnson closed his speech saying, “I want to tell you, we can make a difference in this election. Waste your vote!”
Johnson is on the ballot in at least 47 states plus Washington, D.C., and he could be the margin of difference between Romney and President Obama in some swing states.

He doesn’t mind the spoiler talk, however, because he thinks it’s better to be on the “radar screen” than not at all.

“Mitt Romney can bear total responsibility for his losing, if that’s what transpires. Obama, the same,” Johnson said in an interview.

Johnson thinks the lack of attacks from Democrats is because he is similar to Obama on social issues but has actually backed up his rhetoric, unlike the president.

“They are walking on eggshells. They recognize that any attention I get is going to be the Obama word music with an actual resume that would suggest carry through. I don’t think I could have said it any clearer. Obama, when it comes to the words. Wow! Wow! But the reality is just totally removed from the words,” Johnson said.


Epo I'm curious what you would think of Gary Johnson being the president. Do you think he would do well? etc

[epo]

Epo I'm curious what you would think of Gary Johnson being the president. Do you think he would do well? etc

I think he's an interesting idea, but would ultimately fail in Washington as an executive. Part of a Presidency is cutting deals, which makes shit happen. Guys like Johnson, Nader, Perot are bent on an ideology rather than a process, which would be their ultimate failure.

However, he'd be a great voice in the legislature. Think Ron Paul & Dennis Kuscinch. Both would be shitty presidents, but both provide a unique voice in the House of Representatives.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In order to have a successful Gary Johnson presidency

You would have to flush out the useless dinosaurs in the house like Boehner, Pelosi, Schumer, Reid McConnell and others. Congress is infested with politicians like Boehner who hands out checks from tobacco on the floor and people like Barney Frank who are lobbied by the banks.

Everyone hates the H.O.R. and the Senate except their own states reps and Sens. When you have people like the late Robert Byrd who pork sent to their state just to get their names on a wastewater treatment plant on the backs of the other states thats an issue.

I think Congress would be much more efficient if there were more principled people like Sanders, Kucinich and Paul. Deals and compromise would be made. There wouldnt be deadlock like both parties do, This cycle the GOP.


Also there would have to be people in the cabinet who arent tied to Goldman Sachs and the CFR. No Bob Rubins, Hank Paulsons and others.

[El Mudo]

The problem is, third party candidacies like Johnson's or Jill Stein's (Green) don't have the money to get their message out. The only way they can do that (generate more money/attention) is really through Presidential Debates. But you have to be polling at 15% just to get INTO the debates, and they don't poll at 15% because no one knows who they are because they don't have enough money to get their message out at the levels the two major parties do.

I think third party candidacies had an impact what...four times in the last century between TR (who was a Republican that started his own party Henry VIII-style when they nominated Taft), Perot, Wallace and Nader? Furthermore, most third parties tend to be either single-issue (like Free Silver), or run by crazy people, and if they DO have an impact, those issues get co-opted and absorbed into the major parties.

We're stuck with Pepsi and Coke.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like its becoming a Bi partisan affair


http://washingtonexaminer.com/dems-join-chorus-questioning-obama-on-attack/article/2509261#.UGX8L64kaSo

[Dude!]

Looks like its becoming a Bi partisan affair


http://washingtonexaminer.com/dems-join-chorus-questioning-obama-on-attack/article/2509261#.UGX8L64kaSo

it's about time

Obama and Clinton
have blood on their hands

[hanso]

The problem is, third party candidacies like Johnson's or Jill Stein's (Green) don't have the money to get their message out. The only way they can do that (generate more money/attention) is really through Presidential Debates. But you have to be polling at 15% just to get INTO the debates, and they don't poll at 15% because no one knows who they are because they don't have enough money to get their message out at the levels the two major parties do.

I think third party candidacies had an impact what...four times in the last century between TR (who was a Republican that started his own party Henry VIII-style when they nominated Taft), Perot, Wallace and Nader? Furthermore, most third parties tend to be either single-issue (like Free Silver), or run by crazy people, and if they DO have an impact, those issues get co-opted and absorbed into the major parties.

We're stuck with Pepsi and Coke.

Yep

I saw a picture in todays newspaper of the butterfly ballot from the Florida 2000 Presidential Election what caught my eye was all the thrid parties on it must have been 8 or so.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it's about time

Obama and Clinton
have blood on their hands


I think Susan Rice will take the fall for those 2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea!!! Great economic numbers this week GDP revised Down to 1.3%


Consumer spending up. Due to increased prices on gas.

Manufacturing and durable goods lowest since 2009

[A.J.]

it's about time

Obama and Clinton
have blood on their hands

I think Susan Rice will take the fall for those 2

No, Bush will. Same for the economy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Obama had a son would he look like him ?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/member-of-obama-boyz-gang-charged-in-st-louis-shootings/article_5a3ae580-09b8-11e2-ae31-0019bb30f31a.html

[Dude!]

I think Susan Rice will take the fall for those 2

they have hushed it up
(part of the cover-up)
but apparently the ambassador
was sexually violated as a part
of this al-qaeda planned attack
(whether before or after
he was killed, I don't know)

this is a thousand times worse
than Watergate, but the "mainstream"
media is so in-the-tank for obama
they don't even cover the story

obama, clinton, rice...
they are all culpable
and should be held to account

[WRESTLINGFAN]

they have hushed it up
(part of the cover-up)
but apparently the ambassador
was sexually violated as a part
of this al-qaeda planned attack
(whether before or after
he was killed, I don't know)

this is a thousand times worse
than Watergate, but the "mainstream"
media is so in-the-tank for obama
they don't even cover the story

obama, clinton, rice...
they are all culpable
and should be held to account


I hope Obama did well at the roulette wheel in Vegas the day after the consulate attacks

[CurseoftheBambi]

:thumbdown: so much infected butt hurt....

[hanso]

Only the GOP party can screw up the economy without having majority power. We are going into what should be a mundane action of increasing the debt ceiling. (remember the last time)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is not just the HOR's fault.


More than 1300 days and no Budget from the Senate.


Sure, Barack's hands are clean of this.

[spoon]

If Obama had a son would he look like him ?


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/member-of-obama-boyz-gang-charged-in-st-louis-shootings/article_5a3ae580-09b8-11e2-ae31-0019bb30f31a.html

missed this STUPID correlation

nice work fucko

[spoon]

This is not just the HOR's fault.


More than 1300 days and no Budget from the Senate.


Sure, Barack's hands are clean of this.

of course not

it's the senate and Obama's fault...wonder why
:unsure:

[hanso]

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[SonOfSmeagol]

dude wth was that? I literally could not discern any content

[A.J.]

Please, please, PLEASE meet with the President of Iran. (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/world/meast/iran-president-nuclear/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) Normalize relations and let's reopen an embassy in Tehran.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Agreed but there are going to be hurdles. AIPAC has influence in both parties

[spoon]

I'm a hurdler... on it!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Someone is trying to relive the good old days of 2007-08. The author has a doctorate but he sounds like someone in elementary school especially when writing that Obama isn't into pomp and circumstance and that he's a man of peace :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-lynch-edd/12-reasons-why-obama-is-o_b_4280675.html

[A.J.]

Someone is trying to relive the good old days of 2007-08. The author has a doctorate but he sounds like someone in elementary school especially when writing that Obama isn't into pomp and circumstance and that he's a man of peace :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-lynch-edd/12-reasons-why-obama-is-o_b_4280675.html

He is for peace.

I'm sure the people killed in his ongoing drone attacks would agree.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The luxury vacations, golf outings, lavish parties don't exist to the clod who wrote the article. Yup, Barack is churning his own butter and raising his own livestock.


The part about civil rights is a laugher too. He's for marriage equality in an election year that is

[spoon]

The luxury vacations, golf outings, lavish parties don't exist to the clod who wrote the article. Yup, Barack is churning his own butter and raising his own livestock.


The part about civil rights is a laugher too. He's for marriage equality in an election year that is

Oh God u are too much.

You make one solid point in years of bullsit and follow it up with the above. Yes wf, lets get back on him bc he golfs and takes vacations. So fucking stupid.

The guy and his team rolled out the aca in terrible fashion but as colbert said, sadly true too, that Obama and crew are great at using technology to take lives (insert drone pic here), but terrible utilizing it to save the (simple web design/setup). It's sadly true and a very pathetic look at how the US operates as a whole. Think about it.

[A.J.]

Obama and crew are great at using technology to take lives (insert drone pic here),

He didn't build that -- I DID!

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/EwLWNXFH2rg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[spoon]

Ha! Yet the premise still stands bc he didn't actually build the site either. My guess is justjon was a big part of it and its failure. Aca, wings of a butterfly.

Now let us run aimlessly through city streets and lose our hair! I claim mayor of this jiffylube!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh God u are too much.

You make one solid point in years of bullsit and follow it up with the above. Yes wf, lets get back on him bc he golfs and takes vacations. So fucking stupid.

The guy and his team rolled out the aca in terrible fashion but as colbert said, sadly true too, that Obama and crew are great at using technology to take lives (insert drone pic here), but terrible utilizing it to save the (simple web design/setup). It's sadly true and a very pathetic look at how the US operates as a whole. Think about it.

The article sounded like it was a 16 year old saying how dreamy he is. One of the points was that "He's for the people"

That sounds so naïve. What people is he for? Big businesses and corporations for example

The part that there's no pomp and circumstance? Barack is hardly frugal.

I know there are fluff pieces but the writer is a sycophant.

[spoon]

Just like you the other fucking way. Mirrors are fun.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I support people like Gary Johnson but I don't adorn him. That's not being a sycophant.

[deliciousV]

I support people like Gary Johnson but I don't adorn him. That's not being a sycophant.

Likes Gary, hates Barry, maybe it's an alphabet thing? Or a rhyming thing?

[spoon]

And someone missed the fucking point as per the norm.

[SonOfSmeagol]

And someone missed the fucking point as per the norm.
you have no point to make, per the norm

[spoon]

Sure thing idiot

[SonOfSmeagol]

Sure thing idiot
Q.E.D.

[spoon]

Q.E.D.

on your own, to your own devices

both you and WF especially do so routinely yes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack is the best in unilaterally giving delays in laws already on the books.
He violated the constitution again by issuing another one for Obamacare. As usual he practices document dumps.

[Dude!]

Barack is the best in unilaterally giving delays in laws already on the books.
He violated the constitution again by issuing another one for Obamacare. As usual he practices document dumps.

what do you expect from
the biggest liar in American history?

just another sign,
as if one was needed,
that obamacare is crashing and burning

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what do you expect from
the biggest liar in American history?

just another sign,
as if one was needed,
that obamacare is crashing and burning


Looks like that November 30th deadline to fix the website might not be met.
I wonder what the running tally is so far

[spoon]

Barack is the best in unilaterally giving delays in laws already on the books.
He violated the constitution again by issuing another one for Obamacare. As usual he practices document dumps.

so hilarious

the can't take a shit without taking it from the GOP, yet you think he'd get away constantly violating laws and the constitution huh? perhaps you're just an idiot…yah, that's it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He thinks he can get away with this on what is generally a slow news day.

And. He can't just change laws on his own. Didn't they teach him that on constitutional scholar 101 ?

I will ask again. What if a GOP president rules by fiat that the estate tax is no more?

[Syd]

If all these things were unconstitutional, he'd be impeached by now. There was a serious effort entertained on the premise that he wasn't born in America.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Article II forbids the executive from making laws and changing them unilaterally

Besides this was the president who was going to change decades of executive overreach.

That was just a sales pitch just to have the rubes vote for him

[Dude!]

That was just a sales pitch just to have the rubes vote for him

and he has the carneys
to speak for him

[spoon]

He thinks he can get away with this on what is generally a slow news day.

And. He can't just change laws on his own. Didn't they teach him that on constitutional scholar 101 ?

I will ask again. What if a GOP president rules by fiat that the estate tax is no more?

yes, didn't they? and what if?

hmmmm:wallbash:

[spoon]

and he has the carneys
to speak for him

nah, you guys have that market cornered

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Did Barack tell the turkey today that if he likes his pardon he can keep it?

[spoon]

I wonder that too idiot...now go back to bed and put your helmet back on.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not needed. The federal government didn't pass a law requiring it...... Yet

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chris Matthews is getting jealous

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

The WH is claiming victory that the website is working.


Congrats Barack, people are basically stuck in the queue. Its like waiting online for Yankee tickets and you still have a 3 hour wait, then when you get to the window, they can't process any payments.


Healthcare.gov It sucks just a bit less.


Way to go Barack

[A.J.]

If nothing else, the incompetence of this website rollout should disprove all of these gov't. conspiracy idiots. I mean if the gov't can't rollout a website competently, then surely this same gov't. can't be behind the JFK assassination, 9/11...blah, blah, blah...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The WH keeps saying Obamacare is more than a website. However its counting on 7 million mostly young people to sign up.


If the website continues to be some Rube Goldberg type contraption, Obamacare collapses. Young people in general are not going to visit a local Obamacare navigation center or call an 800 number

[spoon]

If nothing else, the incompetence of this website rollout should disprove all of these gov't. conspiracy idiots. I mean if the gov't can't rollout a website competently, then surely this same gov't. can't be behind the JFK assassination, 9/11...blah, blah, blah...

EXACTLY what they want you to get from this…EXCELLENT!


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[spoon]

perhaps this fits better…bc, well, you know



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[A.J.]

Or...

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[TripleSkeet]

If nothing else, the incompetence of this website rollout should disprove all of these gov't. conspiracy idiots. I mean if the gov't can't rollout a website competently, then surely this same gov't. can't be behind the JFK assassination, 9/11...blah, blah, blah...

All it proves to me is that what weve suspected about government corruption has been true all along. Instead of giving the contract to the most qualified (probably cheaper) company, they awarded it to someone who had friends in high places and got some nice payola even though their work is dogshit.

That being said, I have friends that lost their healthcare plan and were flipping out....now that they finally got on the site they have changed their tune and are pretty happy with it. Although they arent going to get the numbers they need if they dont get the site completely running like clockwork and soon.

[Furtherman]

If nothing else, the incompetence of this website rollout should disprove all of these gov't. conspiracy idiots. I mean if the gov't can't rollout a website competently, then surely this same gov't. can't be behind the JFK assassination, 9/11...blah, blah, blah...

Great point.

I haven't read this thread in a while, but since we finally have something concrete to bash Obama on (ACA national website rollout), has the socialist, gun grabbing, keynesian economics, too much vacation taking, giving out free phones, not born in this country, anti-christ talking points still in play?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There's plenty to criticize Obama for in regards to his policies

I find it laughable that he's accused of being a Muslim and Godless at the same time

In 2007/Early 08 he was not black enough, and too black during the primaries

[A.J.]

Great point.

I haven't read this thread in a while, but since we finally have something concrete to bash Obama on (ACA national website rollout), has the socialist, gun grabbing, keynesian economics, too much vacation taking, giving out free phones, not born in this country, anti-christ talking points still in play?

His vacation/golf time rvials that of Dubya's. Not that I mind, but I'd like criticism for that to at least be balanced.

[Furtherman]

Obama has had way less vacation time than Bush at this point. Golf however, he could probably go pro.

[spoon]

Obama has had way less vacation time than Bush at this point. Golf however, he could probably go pro.

exactly

sorry AJ, the actual documentation and outrage on Obama's vacation is just all over the conservative press, yet it's not even close. W put out new records, but he hardly was making the calls anyone (Cheney, Rummy….)

[SonOfSmeagol]

in the spirit of the thread, let's add "took less vacation than bush" to his long list of achievements

[Dude!]

in the spirit of the thread, let's add "took less vacation than bush" to his long list of achievements

also, he never stumbled down
the stairs of a plane
like Gerald Ford did

he really is the bestest ever

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one can bitch about rich people in the afternoon then whore himself out to hedge fund managers and movie producers at night fundraising like Barack can. He's the best at that

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can the WH ever get its story straight?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/192215-white-house-admits-obama-briefly-stayed-with-uncle


Barack claims he had nothing to do with allowing uncle Onyango to stay here. Just like I'm sure Auntie Zeutinis case to stay here didn't have his influence.


This president can not be trusted on mundane shit like family affairs.

[A.J.]

I wish Obama would DISallow my uncle to continue staying here.

[spoon]

wf still spewing shit

[Dude!]

watch out, WF,
or tough guy will clock you
while you're not looking
and then slice your face
with his figure skates

[spoon]

he gives good advice

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Obama still spewing lies

[keithy_19]

Thank God.

Obamacare Hits Multiple Sclerosis Patients Hard: Losing Insurance, Higher Drug Costs. (http://www.lifenews.com/2013/12/09/obamacare-hits-multiple-sclerosis-patients-hard-losing-insurance-higher-drug-costs/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is why never put all your hopes and dreams into politicians. Sadly millions like Walters bought into the hype.



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[WRESTLINGFAN]

So this is what Dustin Diamond has been reduced to


http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2013/1218-obamacare-ad-onesie/17692915-1-eng-US/1218-Obamacare-ad-onesie_full_600.jpg

Another pathetic attempt by the WH to try to beg millennial's to sign up for Obamacare. Is this the best advertising they can use? Sure just add onto the slacker man child stereotype

[pennington]

This is why never put all your hopes and dreams into politicians. Sadly millions like Walters bought into the hype.

Even worse, if you watch that clip, Walters is still clinging to the dream that he will get off the golf course, scale back the vacations and fund-raisers and be the messiah. It really is sad, like the people who expected the end-of-the-world on Y2K, or 2012, or whatever and then woke up the next morning and nothing had changed but they are still convinced it is going to happen soon.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack looked like he couldn't wait to get outta DC and board AF 1 for Hawaii
What another pathetic press conference

[spoon]

Even worse, if you watch that clip, Walters is still clinging to the dream that he will get off the golf course, scale back the vacations and fund-raisers and be the messiah. It really is sad, like the people who expected the end-of-the-world on Y2K, or 2012, or whatever and then woke up the next morning and nothing had changed but they are still convinced it is going to happen soon.

seriously

the mirror is the sad part…take a fucking look

jesus christ is right

shut the fuck up already

[spoon]

wow, a guy can't wait to go on vacation for the holidays back home in fucking HAWAII?!

CRAZY!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how he squawks about income inequality then goes to a multi million dollar resort and basks in grotesque opulence while his minions drone on how he is really just out to make people's lives better.


No vacation for the NSA. They are still going to spy on us during Christmas.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

seriously

the mirror is the sad part…take a fucking look

jesus christ is right

shut the fuck up already

Barack does put the mess in the Messiah

Her comments were so juvenile. It makes Barack look like some lovable loser just trying so hard hoping one day to finally get that golden nugget.

How can someone who's been a journalist for decades make such an asinine comment thinking that a politician who was still wet behind the ears could be a savior ?

[spoon]

nothing is as pathetic as your "jokes" stolen of course and recycled shit

yet her rundown was that of an old coot trying to hang on to any relevance by tying into common themes all over in the past by the very likes of you. Unbelievable right?

let's just classify this under the normal WF file of WHO GIVES A FUCK!?

[pennington]

wow, a guy can't wait to go on vacation for the holidays back home in fucking HAWAII?!

I thought "home" was Chicago.

[spoon]

Linked to both, where would u go?! For fucks sake.

[spoon]

Being how stupid you and others have been in here, can we assume home is in quotes bc we all know he's really from Kenya?!

[pennington]

Being how stupid you and others have been in here, can we assume home is in quotes bc we all know he's really from Kenya?!

I thought he grew-up in Indonesia.

[spoon]

Exactly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Poor little Barack needs a vacation from his campaigning and fundraising. It's so much work to lie and manipulate. How dare those WH press reporters ask him questions and hold him accountable.

He works so hard for the Murrrrrican people.

[spoon]

Wgaf.

You're still a fucking idiot too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder if there was a separate plane for his dog and basketballs for his latest getaway

[SonOfSmeagol]

poor spoon
still hasn't realized that the 'hope & change' tattoo on his nutsack might've been a mistake

[spoon]

'hope & change' tattoo on his nutsack

Perfect!

Buckeye!

[pennington]

How dare those WH press reporters ask him questions and hold him accountable.

Don't worry, he had the teleprompter to give him the answers. He'll be fine.

[A.J.]

Poor little Barack needs a vacation from his campaigning and fundraising. It's so much work to lie and manipulate. How dare those WH press reporters ask him questions and hold him accountable.

He works so hard for the Murrrrrican people.

His streak of Oregon State wins when he's there comes to an end thanks to the mighty Akron Zips!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While 15% say that Obamacare doesn't go far enough, the numbers are still far from stellar.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/23/cnn-poll-heath-care-law-support-drops-to-all-time-low/?hpt=hp_t1

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More lawlessness by this President. The Administration once again unilaterally made a change to Obamacare making 12/24 the sign up deadline

[epo]

More lawlessness by this President. The Administration once again unilaterally made a change to Obamacare making 12/24 the sign up deadline

Administrative changes are different than laws.

Stop being so fucking willfully stupid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Administrative changes are different than laws.

Stop being so fucking willfully stupid.



You sound like you can replace Jay Carney using a term like administrative changes

[pennington]

More lawlessness by this President. The Administration once again unilaterally made a change to Obamacare making 12/24 the sign up deadline

Senate Democrats are starting to worry:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/democratic-senator-says-obamacare-could-39-meltdown-39-172125028.html

Manchin said Senate Democrats who are up for re-election next year are "feeling the weight" of the program's woes and could have trouble keeping their majority in the chamber.

But they're the ones who wrote and voted for this. They should feel the weight.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Time and time again, this administration states that everything is under control and they are on it, until of course there's another delay. Its more reassurances, more promises to fix Obamacare and there's another excuse for us on why a deadline was not met.


The constant carveouts exemptions and rule changes by executive fiat is making this shit law more of what Max Baucus predicted that it would have become, and it is a trainwreck

[keithy_19]

Senate Democrats are starting to worry:

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/democratic-senator-says-obamacare-could-39-meltdown-39-172125028.html



But they're the ones who wrote and voted for this. They should feel the weight.

I don't care for Manchin (and I know he doesn't care for Obama) and he's not an Obama type Democrat. But yeah, it says something. But I guess, by re-electing Obama this is what the public wanted. I think it sucks (personally I'm getting completely fucked over despite having a pre-existing condition), but I guess this is what the people wanted so this is what they get.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Red state democrats could lose their seats, however if the GOP keeps nominating Todd Akin types the Dems could hold onto the Senate

[keithy_19]

Red state democrats could lose their seats, however if the GOP keeps nominating Todd Akin types the Dems could hold onto the Senate

They don't need to go Libertarian either. Just back off abortion and gay marriage and don't be assholes. It'll go a long way. No more evangelicals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack was trying to portray himself as one of the common folk by having his lackeys sign him up for a bronze plan even though he's still going to have top notch care

[spoon]

Yah he's so not us...all black and all. So there's THAT!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you're going to play the race card can you at least get it correct?


He's not all black

[PapaBear]

He's not all black
People of my father's generation would say "He's well spoken".

They always mean well, when they say it.

[Dude!]

like biden, when he said that
obama is very clean

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Reid said he didn't have any negro dialect

[A.J.]

Red state democrats could lose their seats, however if the GOP keeps nominating Todd Akin types the Dems could hold onto the Senate

And right there you have described the GOP's problem. If they would get rid of the Bible-thumping, "family values" assholes, people might take their message more seriously.

[pennington]

If you're going to play the race card can you at least get it correct?


He's not all black

Spoon is just mad that the president has a white mother.

[spoon]

Phrases escape you.

[Dell]

And right there you have described the GOP's problem. If they would get rid of the Bible-thumping, "family values" assholes, people might take their message more seriously.

the GOP will never win another presidential election until they sever ties with the bible-thumping right wing minority...I know we are supposed to embrace the minority opinion, except THAT one...and the simplest minded of political advisers should know that elections are based on a MAJORITY vote!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What factor is Barack going to blame this month when the latest numbers came out? December produced only 74k, the worst amount in 3 years. While its down to 6.7% there's more to the rate as more people gave up and the labor participation rate is at record lows.

[Dude!]

What factor is Barack going to blame this month when the latest numbers came out? December produced only 74k, the worst amount in 3 years. While its down to 6.7% there's more to the rate as more people gave up and the labor participation rate is at record lows.

if you like having no job,
you can keep having no job

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Will 2014 bring another recovery summer?

[Snoogans]

What factor is Barack going to blame this month when the latest numbers came out? December produced only 74k, the worst amount in 3 years. While its down to 6.7% there's more to the rate as more people gave up and the labor participation rate is at record lows.

They blamed the weather from what I heard today

[pennington]

They blamed the weather from what I heard today

Perhaps someone can inform them that we have weather every year.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They blamed the weather from what I heard today

They can't be a little more creative than that?