mass shooting 100 day challenge

[Kevin]

I'm gunna take a page out of spoons book..

WF and facts

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[brettmojo]

I'm gunna take a page out of spoons book..

WF and facts

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More like...

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[Kevin]

More like...

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Awesome.


Btw, I hate your team for losing and keeping my bum team alive.

Now I have to watch them play ANOTHER game...

[Snoogans]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/383575_10151208741256446_865240883_n.jpg

the top gun isnt a semi auto. It appears to be a bolt action.

[PapaBear]

the top gun isnt a semi auto. It appears to be a bolt action.
I think it actually is. It looks just like my brother's. The bolt is only pulled back for the first round. Both guns have it.

[spoon]

the top gun isnt a semi auto. It appears to be a bolt action.

different grip and ease too

[Snoogans]

I think it actually is. It looks just like my brother's. The bolt is only pulled back for the first round. Both guns have it.

i thought about that after, that it could just be made to look like a bolt action. I know semis have a bolt cause you have to chamber each round if you shoot subsonic ammo. But i didnt see a magazine feed which would usually still be slightly bulged from the rest of the gun. So even if it is semi, if you have to actually put the bullets in the gun, its not gonna be nearly as potent as the one on the bottom

[PapaBear]

i thought about that after, that it could just be made to look like a bolt action. I know semis have a bolt cause you have to chamber each round if you shoot subsonic ammo. But i didnt see a magazine feed which would usually still be slightly bulged from the rest of the gun. So even if it is semi, if you have to actually put the bullets in the gun, its not gonna be nearly as potent as the one on the bottom
The magazine is flush with the bottom of the gun. You can buy an extended clip that sticks out further.

[Snoogans]

The magazine is flush with the bottom of the gun. You can buy an extended clip that sticks out further.

do they make a pistol grip? Cause i would never wanna fuckin shoot that thing.

.223s are for fags anyway. 50 CAL

[PapaBear]

.223s are for fags anyway. 50 CAL
I keep having to explain to people that .223's are not large caliber rounds. They are about the same size as a .22. They ARE high powered rounds, due to the amount of powder in the shell, but they aren't large caliber. And in handguns, a .380 is the same as a .38. The .380 is used in semi auto handguns, and the .38 are used for revolvers.

[Snoogans]

I keep having to explain to people that .223's are not large caliber rounds. They are about the same size as a .22. They ARE high powered rounds, due to the amount of powder in the shell, but they aren't large caliber. And in handguns, a .380 is the same as a .38. The .380 is used in semi auto handguns, and the .38 are used for revolvers.

yea they arent big, just longer so they have a greater range.

I didnt know people who gave a fuck didnt get that. If i was gonna buy a rifle, honestly, id prob try to get a 7.62 nato just cause all id really use it for is shooting at the range and id want it to be bad ass

[PapaBear]

honestly, id prob try to get a 7.62 nato just cause all id really use it for is shooting at the range and id want it to be bad ass
This one uses 7.62 rounds... :happy:

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[Snoogans]

This one uses 7.62 rounds... :happy:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rYNbaYL-puQ?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

HURRY, BUY 5 OF THEM BEFORE OBAMA COMES FOR IT

this shit is fuckin nasty though. 3-4K rounds per minute are you fuckin kidding?

[Snoogans]

the NRA should give these to everyone in the country, thats how to fix the problem

(on a serious note, i never heard of this weapon before and it might be the most badass weapon i ever seen)
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[spoon]

Keep in mind, don't try this at home. I'm a professional Russian.

:lol:

hilarious

[Snoogans]

:lol:

hilarious

yea the dude is fuckin fantastic. I cant stop watching his videos. Some of them have fuckin millions of views.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good try..

You forgot to mention the diff types of devastating bullets you can use in one and not on the other and the other is also much easier to load.

But go ahead, keep side stepping facts.

Facts are for jews and faggots.

The top one is probably an autoloading rifle. Ruger makes them. Just because a rifle doesnt look like an AR-15 doesn't mean its a flintlock musket.


Jews and Faggots. 2 groups Albanians hate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Over 3 years of mag sales done in 3 days.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/23/worlds-largest-firearms-supplier-sells-3-half-years-worth-ar15-clips-3-days_n_2356286.html?1356294643

[A.J.]

well we sure as hell get into some grey areas with said proposed policy, as what exactly constitutes "mental health issues"? the loophole and checks is a nice place to start

Posting here.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the top gun isnt a semi auto. It appears to be a bolt action.

The picture has two .22 caliber rifles, there is no .223 rifle in that photo


B Mojo will just continue to post pointless simpsons gifs and Kevin will claim to be an expert on firearms

[spoon]

The picture has two .22 caliber rifles, there is no .223 rifle in that photo


B Mojo will just continue to post pointless simpsons gifs and Kevin will claim to be an expert on firearms

bmoj's gifs are much more meaningful than all your biased shit feast combined

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bmoj's gifs are much more meaningful than all your biased shit feast combined

Posting GIF's from Animated shows is hardly meaningful. Then again you think it is. Spoonscrote

[Snoogans]

The picture has two .22 caliber rifles, there is no .223 rifle in that photo


B Mojo will just continue to post pointless simpsons gifs and Kevin will claim to be an expert on firearms

a .223 is the usual kind of bullet you would use in a 22 caliber rifle (normally anyway)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Deport Piers Morgan?


http://news.yahoo.com/pro-gun-rights-us-petition-deport-piers-morgan-130319681.html


That wont happen, Obama still has a deadbeat aunt and uncle here illegally.

[Snoogans]

The top one is probably an autoloading rifle. Ruger makes them. Just because a rifle doesnt look like an AR-15 doesn't mean its a flintlock musket.


Jews and Faggots. 2 groups Albanians hate.

No but it could be a bolt action rifle. Modern bolts with a 5 round magazine are pretty tough to tell apart from semis.

[epo]

So people shoot firefighters now?

LInk here (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/two-firefighters-shot-killed-while-responding-webster-n-163105823.html)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No but it could be a bolt action rifle. Modern bolts with a 5 round magazine are pretty tough to tell apart from semis.

Acknowledged. We had a scout sniper platoon in my battalion that used M-40's which were modified Remington 700's

[A.J.]

So people shoot firefighters now?

LInk here (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/two-firefighters-shot-killed-while-responding-webster-n-163105823.html)

I saw American History X.

[PapaBear]

That .22 in question looks a lot like THIS (http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Compact/models.html) Ruger.

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Compact/images/1168.jpg

The main difference is, this one isn't used in a pro gun Internet meme.

[Snoogans]

That .22 in question looks a lot like THIS (http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Compact/models.html) Ruger.

http://www.ruger.com/products/1022Compact/images/1168.jpg

The main difference is, this one isn't used in a pro gun Internet meme.

what a pussy gun. If you dont have professional russian shotguns, you better be coming with this bad boy:

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[PapaBear]

It's mostly used to bulls-eye womp rats from your T-16.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Suburban NYC publishes names and addresses of legal owners. Yea, that will keep criminals away.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/newspaper-publishes-gun-owners-names-addresses-215214269--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=attmp

[hanso]

Suburban NYC publishes names and addresses of legal owners. Yea, that will keep criminals away.



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/newspaper-publishes-gun-owners-names-addresses-215214269--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=attmp

more like gangs know which houses to break in to now, avg gun owner has multi guns.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For a lilywhite area, they have a lot of guns.

[spoon]

For a lilywhite area, they have a lot of guns.

subtle, but still racist

[deliciousV]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/23/School-Obama-s-Daughters-Attend-Has-11-Armed-Guards-Not-Counting-Secret-Service

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Turns out the journalist who published the names and addresses of legal gun owners in suburban NYC had it backfire on him as his address and phone number were made public.

[deliciousV]

Turns out the journalist who published the names and addresses of legal gun owners in suburban NYC had it backfire on him as his address and phone number were made public.

yeah, I just saw a picture of his house on FaceBook. Not sure why a friend in SC posted it though, it's not like anybody down here was outed by this guy.

[spankyfrank]

I'm not sure how I felt about that article. I get that when you sign that permit you give up certain information that the public can see but I dont think people would have expected a news paper to give up all those locations.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As much as a douche that he was to publish all that info via FOIA, If he's married with some kids, they shouldnt suffer the harassment because he's a front running hack.

[booster11373]

And here is why nothing will ever happen

Publishing gun owners names

Going after David Gregory

Starting a petition against Piers Morgan

Calling Wayne Lapiere crazy

All distractions from any real discussions

[spoon]

As much as a douche that he was to publish all that info via FOIA, If he's married with some kids, they shouldnt suffer the harassment because he's a front running hack.

front running hack!?

ha!

you are, well, unreal at this point!

:wacko:

[spoon]

And here is why nothing will ever happen

Publishing gun owners names

Going after David Gregory

Starting a petition against Piers Morgan

Calling Wayne Lapiere crazy

All distractions from any real discussions

just the way one side wants it

just saying

[brettmojo]

As much as a douche that he was to publish all that info via FOIA, If he's married with some kids, they shouldnt suffer the harassment because he's a front running hack.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8982/28lfrmjpg.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

front running hack!?

ha!

you are, well, unreal at this point!

:wacko:

He's more of a front running douchebag. Another wannabe gumshoe detective ends up putting is own family in danger because he wanted to set an agenda.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/8982/28lfrmjpg.gif

Ran out of Simpsons scenes?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who woulda thought that a know nothing Senator from San Fran would be responsible for huge profits for firearms makers and stores over the last week or so?


Thanks Di Fi.

[hanso]

funny I see hoarding guns as erratic behavior

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New applications, request for background checks have also skyrocketed. It's not just the FEMA camp crowds who are buying them


Di Fi should have known that.

[epo]

New applications, request for background checks have also skyrocketed. It's not just the FEMA camp crowds who are buying them


Di Fi should have known that.

Wait, the gun industry thrives off of fear?

Shocker considering how much they've profited by vilifying Obama the last four years.

[Melk]

funny I see hoarding guns as erratic behavior
And it is fueled by the NRA constantly claiming that certain firearms are going to be banned.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wait, the gun industry thrives off of fear?

Shocker considering how much they've profited by vilifying Obama the last four years.

If anyone profits and lives off fear, It's your federal gov't. Especially post 9/11

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The proposed bill I'm sure will have hundreds of pages written in the same way Dodd Frank was done. Nothing but legalese jargon. Furthermore it will be loaded with loopholes because there's always way's to get around them.



A 20 round magazine can be made very easily buy welding 2 10 rounders together and tweaking the spring loader.

[spoon]

The proposed bill I'm sure will have hundreds of pages written in the same way Dodd Frank was done. Nothing but legalese jargon. Furthermore it will be loaded with loopholes because there's always way's to get around them.



A 20 round magazine can be made very easily buy welding 2 10 rounders together and tweaking the spring loader.

yes yes, very easily...foolproof too I'd imagine

and that fed gov fear mongering hasn't been the same since...well ~ 2008 or so. how odd?

[NickyL0885]

So, that's a no to the beer summit for WF and Spoon? Fine. We'll just have a Thunder Dome! Two men enter, one man leaves!

[PapaBear]

A 20 round magazine can be made very easily buy welding 2 10 rounders together and tweaking the spring loader.
That wouldn't be a loophole. That would be an illegal alteration of a weapon. You can never change that. There are countless illegal devices that can be made to kill the masses. But making crazy people resort to such methods, is still safer than having legal methods be as obtainable as they currently are.

[Snoogans]

That wouldn't be a loophole. That would be an illegal alteration of a weapon. You can never change that. There are countless illegal devices that can be made to kill the masses. But making crazy people resort to such methods, is still safer than having legal methods be as obtainable as they currently are.

actually, you can just pay a 200 dollar tax and register it with the ATF as an AOW. As long as your state allows 20 round capacity it wouldnt be a problem.

Although, you could also just flip one upside down and tape it together, like they did in die hard 2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes, very easily...foolproof too I'd imagine

and that fed gov fear mongering hasn't been the same since...well ~ 2008 or so. how odd?

Guess the TSA doesn't exist anymore? No more patriot act and NDAA?


I'm glad I am being kept safe from girls in wheelchairs and nuns.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's next divorce records?





http://news.yahoo.com/york-newspaper-list-more-gun-permit-holders-uproar-120534293--finance.html

[spankyfrank]

At this point they are just riding the wave that they created. More people will be reading and maybe even pick up a few more subscriptions. That's all I see here.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The backlash might be enough that people cancel subscriptions

[epo]

If anyone profits and lives off fear, It's your federal gov't. Especially post 9/11

Or the federal government is scapegoated so that carnies can convince rubes that they need more guns & gold.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A rube can be a VP from Goldman Sachs who thinks he's safer because he has to put his listerine in checked baggage

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Or the federal government is scapegoated so that carnies can convince rubes that they need more guns & gold.

Maybe the rubes want to protect their gold just in case history repeats itself.

Hero to the Democrats FDR did that in 1933 via Executive Order

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"If they come for my hairplugs. I'll blow their heads off"


As POTUS said. "Nobody messes with Joe."


https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/398708_10152405890320515_366350281_n.jpg

[spoon]

Maybe the rubes want to protect their gold just in case history repeats itself.

Hero to the Democrats FDR did that in 1933 via Executive Order

ha!

i sense another disorder, perhaps the underlying cause of his Obama affliction!?

:lol:

[spoon]

Guess the TSA doesn't exist anymore? No more patriot act and NDAA?


I'm glad I am being kept safe from girls in wheelchairs and nuns.

they aren't fucking fear mongering when the kept/enacted shitty bullshit policy that wasn't popular or wanted by most for years now (PA and NDAA).

The TSA being listed is a joke too, it's simply something needed these days no matter if you like it or not. Sorry you have to spend 10 minutes in line, but unfortunately shit is different, weapons are different, tactics are different and reasons surely are there to have some system in place to thwart even attempts, much less try. You may not like their methods, and of course they/it can be better but at what cost financially and time wise? It is partially public perception, but it's not something easily just looked past in the grand scheme of keeping things moving/somewhat normal. Yet using hyped one offs is the classic move as if nuns and girls in wheelchairs were ever once targeted, versus coming up for whatever reason as dangerous. As the girl in the wheelchair had bomb material/chemical makeup signatures on her apparatus. So she got searched? If she hadn't and it was reported you would have gone nuts too. Literally they simply can't win with you, but let's all just look past some of the shit they have found, stopped and simply kept from even being attempted just by being there in the first place.

I'm not some huge TSA proponent either, but your biased bullshit simply doesn't stop. You truly can't see any need for checks? A need for stopping things linked to known plans from our intelligence in a way they deem possible, credible and dangerous (6+ ounces of liquids)? Do you think they banned the amount to spike soda/drink sales on planes? I mean really, what's their end game there if not for safety? Just to fuck with our freedoms and us overall? You can't be seriously this misinformed/lacking of objectiveness...never mind, that's a stupid thought linked to you.

[spoon]

"If they come for my hairplugs. I'll blow their heads off"


As POTUS said. "Nobody messes with Joe."


https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/398708_10152405890320515_366350281_n.jpg

random picture of Joe discussing weapons tied to his joke...

oh nooooooooo!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

they aren't fucking fear mongering when the kept/enacted shitty bullshit policy that wasn't popular or wanted by most for years now (PA and NDAA).

The TSA being listed is a joke too, it's simply something needed these days no matter if you like it or not. Sorry you have to spend 10 minutes in line, but unfortunately shit is different, weapons are different, tactics are different and reasons surely are there to have some system in place to thwart even attempts, much less try. You may not like their methods, and of course they/it can be better but at what cost financially and time wise? It is partially public perception, but it's not something easily just looked past in the grand scheme of keeping things moving/somewhat normal. Yet using hyped one offs is the classic move as if nuns and girls in wheelchairs were ever once targeted, versus coming up for whatever reason as dangerous. As the girl in the wheelchair had bomb material/chemical makeup signatures on her apparatus. So she got searched? If she hadn't and it was reported you would have gone nuts too. Literally they simply can't win with you, but let's all just look past some of the shit they have found, stopped and simply kept from even being attempted just by being there in the first place.

I'm not some huge TSA proponent either, but your biased bullshit simply doesn't stop. You truly can't see any need for checks? A need for stopping things linked to known plans from our intelligence in a way they deem possible, credible and dangerous (6+ ounces of liquids)? Do you think they banned the amount to spike soda/drink sales on planes? I mean really, what's their end game there if not for safety? Just to fuck with our freedoms and us overall? You can't be seriously this misinformed/lacking of objectiveness...never mind, that's a stupid thought linked to you.

It is fear mongering on the part of their very existance. Its not just the standing in line and being presumed guilty before innocent, it's also when theres a piece of luggage in the middle of the baggage claim area the whole airport has to be shut down.

The end game is fear, more control and expanding the federal government. More bureaucrats, more TSA officers, more lavish taxpayer funded pensions.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ha!

i sense another disorder, perhaps the underlying cause of his Obama affliction!?

:lol:

There's a lot about FDR you probably don't know about. Sadly it's taught that he was a great president and ended the depression. 2 very flawed characteristics about him

[PapaBear]

There's a lot about FDR you probably don't know about. Sadly it's taught that he was a great president and ended the depression. 2 very flawed characteristics about him
I agree. Oh, how I miss the early 1930's! They were such GRAND times!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I agree. Oh, how I miss the early 1930's! They were such GRAND times!

It was a Keynesians dream, Just like today.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The savage in Webster NY was a convicted felon so he could not legally purchase a weapon. He got the weapon from someone else, thus proving people will find ways to inflict evil and do harm to others.


The killer murdered his grandmother in the early 80's by smashing her with a hammer. If the self righteous self serving journalist whores in the Journal News had any credibility maybe they would file a FOIA to publish names and addresses of paroled violent felons but no, They have to be a progressive rag and publish names of law abiding citizens.

That paper is basically a 2 bit version of the NY Times, just suited for lilywhite suburbanites in Scarsdale and Armonk

[epo]

It was a Keynesians dream, Just like today.

I'll take Keynes over the modern conservative austerity delusion everyday of the week.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'll take Keynes over the modern conservative austerity delusion everyday of the week.

Both need to be shitcanned.


The neocons don't want austerity. It would be a sin to cut back on their precious weapons systems.

[epo]

Both need to be shitcanned.


The neocons don't want austerity. It would be a sin to cut back on their precious weapons systems.

Until this country figures out the bloat in defense spending, we'll run into fiscal issues.

In the meantime, lets stop picking on programs which help the most vulnerable in society.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until this country figures out the bloat in defense spending, we'll run into fiscal issues.

In the meantime, lets stop picking on programs which help the most vulnerable in society.

We can start by not interfering in other country's affairs. With interest the 2 wars will probably cost more than 2 trillion.

There are some weapons systems that really aren't needed.

[spoon]

It is fear mongering on the part of their very existance. Its not just the standing in line and being presumed guilty before innocent, it's also when theres a piece of luggage in the middle of the baggage claim area the whole airport has to be shut down.

The end game is fear, more control and expanding the federal government. More bureaucrats, more TSA officers, more lavish taxpayer funded pensions.

Sure thing fucko! Lavish pensions for all!

[Bob Impact]

Sure thing fucko! Lavish pensions for all!

I for one, have always maintained a spartan pension. It'll be nice to lavish it up a bit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure thing fucko! Lavish pensions for all!



If there's a shortfall to pay them out just raise taxes and print more money right?

[A.J.]

Until this country figures out the bloat in defense spending, we'll run into fiscal issues.

In the meantime, lets stop picking on programs which help the most vulnerable in society.

Leave my defense programs alone, Commie!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im guessing this was pre 9/11



https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/200554_470404586330381_976280514_n.jpg

[epo]

Leave my defense programs alone, Commie!

I'll give Donald Rumsfeld some credit. He was on the right track until the neo-cons forced him to start two wars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And one of those wars is still going on under which administration???


Did you see the latest Defense budget. That Obama is sure a hippie

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Now they love guns at the JN




http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/01/journal-news-hires-armed-security-guards-153103.html

[spoon]

yep, they love guns!

great WF insight

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, because they have men who will be protecting them because they had an agenda and it blew up in their faces.





One county told that rag to fuck off. Good!!!



http://news.yahoo.com/york-county-denies-request-names-gun-permit-holders-231656034.html

[spoon]

oh, THAT IS the definition of love!

thanks WebsterFool

[spankyfrank]

That's my county. And as much as I would like to cheer for my government for stopping the newspaper from doing this, I realize that you can't under any circumstances limit access to public information to the people no matter how damaging it is.

There is another side here that doesn't get heard which are the anti-guns people who would like to know who is packing. I'm not saying it's right but much as gun owners want to have the freedom to have their guns, the journalist want to have freedom to information and they should.

[spoon]

spanky county has an odd sexual ring to it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's my county. And as much as I would like to cheer for my government for stopping the newspaper from doing this, I realize that you can't under any circumstances limit access to public information to the people no matter how damaging it is.

There is another side here that doesn't get heard which are the anti-guns people who would like to know who is packing. I'm not saying it's right but much as gun owners want to have the freedom to have their guns, the journalist want to have freedom to information and they should.


I agree that the government should not stop the JN. However why don't they publish names of paroled violent felons? The shooter who killed those firemen was paroled after serving time for killing his grandmother.

The JN has an agenda against private gun ownership. I'm not like Sharpton who would call for boycotts, however If people willingly cxl their subs , and others stop buying their papers in stores and advertisers yank their ads, it will be the JN's own downfall

[spankyfrank]

I agree that the government should not stop the JN. However why don't they publish names of paroled violent felons? The shooter who killed those firemen was paroled after serving time for killing his grandmother.

The JN has an agenda against private gun ownership. I'm not like Sharpton who would call for boycotts, however If people willingly cxl their subs , and others stop buying their papers in stores and advertisers yank their ads, it will be the JN's own downfall

Well all newspapers have a police Blotter that is printed daily. Those names would most likely already be out there.

Most paper newspapers are on their way out and turning to online anyway. It's just how it goes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well all newspapers have a police Blotter that is printed daily. Those names would most likely already be out there.

Most paper newspapers are on their way out and turning to online anyway. It's just how it goes.

True for people who committed DUI, I meant for people who got out of jail especially violent felons.


What if some right leaning newspaper got info on women who got an abortion and printed their names. There would be pitchforks and torches outside their offices.

[Jujubees2]

What if some right leaning newspaper got info on women who got an abortion and printed their names. There would be pitchforks and torches outside their offices.

Wow, little bit of a stretch there WF...

[deliciousV]

True for people who committed DUI, I meant for people who got out of jail especially violent felons.


What if some right leaning newspaper got info on women who got an abortion and printed their names. There would be pitchforks and torches outside their offices.

so now you are comparing gun ownership with something at the very least embarrassing, and in many instances shameful?

Pick A fucking side man!

[spankyfrank]

True for people who committed DUI, I meant for people who got out of jail especially violent felons.


What if some right leaning newspaper got info on women who got an abortion and printed their names. There would be pitchforks and torches outside their offices.

Well that's obv all together different. Medical info is always confidential and not at all public record unless the patient makes it public. Doctor's otherwise could lose their jobs.

[epo]

Well that's obv all together different. Medical info is always confidential and not at all public record unless the patient makes it public. Doctor's otherwise could lose their jobs.

Exactly. The HIPAA laws protect that information whereas many other records are available via public records.

Apples meet oranges.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm not for disclosing info on abortions. It doesn't have to be them who release records , it could be a low level medical records clerk who could give a columnist names

Doctors break the law sometimes . From time to time there are stories of them involved with Medicare / Medicaid fraud, Pension, disability scams and prescription fraud


All I'm saying if the public has a right to see gun owners names they should have that same right to see info on released criminals

[epo]

I'm not for disclosing info on abortions. It doesn't have to be them who release records , it could be a low level medical records clerk who could give a columnist names

Doctors break the law sometimes . From time to time there are stories of them involved with Medicare / Medicaid fraud, Pension, disability scams and prescription fraud


All I'm saying if the public has a right to see gun owners names they should have that same right to see info on released criminals

The public has no right to see medical records. Ever. It's the law.

[spankyfrank]

Again the only time those records are revealed are because the patient releases it themselves. Otherwise a law is broken and the Doctor is accountable and most likely the Journalist if he reveals his source.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The public has no right to see medical records. Ever. It's the law.



I'm not disagreeing with that. There's classified info that gets leaked sometimes, my point is that there could be some pro lifer with an agenda who may print that info, people do crazy shit all the time.

There's a lot of public info that can be printed yet some of it isn't .


The JN took advantage of a tragedy to advance an agenda to make their case against private gun ownership

[spankyfrank]

I'm not disagreeing with that. There's classified info that gets leaked sometimes, my point is that there could be some pro lifer with an agenda who may print that info, people do crazy shit all the time.

There's a lot of public info that can be printed yet some of it isn't .


The JN took advantage of a tragedy to advance an agenda to make their case against private gun ownership

Our point is that pro lifer would then be jailed for leaking that info. So would any doctors or clerks involved in giving that info over. There isnt any situation where the journalist would get away scott free.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our point is that pro lifer would then be jailed for leaking that info. So would any doctors or clerks involved in giving that info over. There isnt any situation where the journalist would get away scott free.


Acknowledged, however those parties would not care.

Look at Bradley Manning. A low level army private on trial in the wiki leaks scandal. He's become sort of a hero to many like Mumia Abu Jamal is

[Snoogans]

Acknowledged, however those parties would not care.

Look at Bradley Manning. A low level army private on trial in the wiki leaks scandal. He's become sort of a hero to many like Mumia Abu Jamal is

No one cares about him cause his 2 other brothers won the superbowl

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one cares about him cause his 2 other brothers won the superbowl

:laugh:

[spoon]

The public has no right to see medical records. Ever. It's the law.

wf's nonsense continues on

hippa be damned, even if it did go too far for those in the actual medical field

still, doctors break the law too sometimes! if a medical clerk released information on everyone who had toe nail fungus it's still ILLEGAL, much less what you propose. gun ownership is public knowledge, just as are criminal logs and records.

:lol:

good one wf, you swayed me!

:wallbash:

[spoon]

I'm not disagreeing with that. There's classified info that gets leaked sometimes, my point is that there could be some pro lifer with an agenda who may print that info, people do crazy shit all the time.

There's a lot of public info that can be printed yet some of it isn't .


The JN took advantage of a tragedy to advance an agenda to make their case against private gun ownership

editorials and opinions are limited to channels that are fair and balanced

they have every right to print that story

if someone willingly prints/publishes private personal health information, you'll reap the rewards criminally

[spoon]

No one cares about him cause his 2 other brothers won the superbowl

and a COMPLETELY different and unrelated fucking case

point not made WF

as usual

[NickyL0885]

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6925480704/hB0C0DDC9/

[A.J.]

hippa be damned,

Miss King Hippa's Bandaid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wf's nonsense continues on

hippa be damned, even if it did go too far for those in the actual medical field

still, doctors break the law too sometimes! if a medical clerk released information on everyone who had toe nail fungus it's still ILLEGAL, much less what you propose. gun ownership is public knowledge, just as are criminal logs and records.

:lol:

good one wf, you swayed me!

:wallbash:

I already agreed with disclosing med info being illegal.

There are a lot of things that are public knowledge. The JN had an agenda. Now they have to cover their asses with hiring armed guards.

No sane gun owner is going to visit their offices armed to the teeth for revenge.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how people want rights to public info. No objection to that however they dont want the responsibility to going to their county clerks office to get names of legal gun owners. They want it to be given to them in the paper.


Ever take account if that info is inaccurate? Factors including if people moved or have died and the records were not updated? Maybe the persons name listed is not a gun owner?


The JN took advantage of a crisis to capitalize on their objection to private gun ownership

[epo]

Amazing how people want rights to public info. No objection to that however they dont want the responsibility to going to their county clerks office to get names of legal gun owners. They want it to be given to them in the paper.


Ever take account if that info is inaccurate? Factors including if people moved or have died and the records were not updated? Maybe the persons name listed is not a gun owner?


The JN took advantage of a crisis to capitalize on their objection to private gun ownership

Wait, a media outlet did something stupid? Wow.

Lets all move on with our lives.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wait, a media outlet did something stupid? Wow.

Lets all move on with our lives.

Yes because now they had to hire armed guards to guard their offices, That's an extra cost to them, if people kill their subscriptions and their papers arent selling in brick and mortar stores it will eat into profits and they may have to cut staff.


Maybe Gannett, their parent company will ask for a bailout if they start to go in the red.

[spoon]

Amazing how people want rights to public info. No objection to that however they dont want the responsibility to going to their county clerks office to get names of legal gun owners. They want it to be given to them in the paper.


Ever take account if that info is inaccurate? Factors including if people moved or have died and the records were not updated? Maybe the persons name listed is not a gun owner?


The JN took advantage of a crisis to capitalize on their objection to private gun ownership

don't care

it's a non-issue

if people just ignored it nobody would have give a FUCK

but it's righteous indignation time!

turn it back on them...they are unwavering idiots, so let's do the same

gun nuts and gun haters...the far extremes in each camp just like in politics are fucking assholes and will exploit anything. crying about one idiot trying to be a catalyst for publicity overall in reality, gives him what he and the paper ultimately want.

seriously, don't care if they publish the public shit, or if people are crying that they shouldn't

it's legal and you know it's out there...deal with it or make a change in the law. God knows the NRA has enough power overall to do almost anything they want in their arena with all the people they have bought

[spoon]

Yes because now they had to hire armed guards to guard their offices, That's an extra cost to them, if people kill their subscriptions and their papers arent selling in brick and mortar stores it will eat into profits and they may have to cut staff.


Maybe Gannett, their parent company will ask for a bailout if they start to go in the red.

yes sir

still tying it all up in idiotic paranoid WackoFuck fool fashion

WF, one tin hat away from serenity. :wacko:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes sir

still tying it all up in idiotic paranoid WackoFuck fool fashion

WF, one tin hat away from serenity. :wacko:

Spoonunu failing to grasp logic. New Year. Same attitude

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Alex Jones on Piers Morgan last night only strenghthened the gun control advocates.

[Dude!]

Alex Jones on Piers Morgan last night only strenghthened the gun control advocates.

I don't think so..
he just got me excited
about buying a gun!

[spoon]

just a nut stirring up the masses...of nuts

right dude?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/226706_557209920974407_890232652_n.jpg

[hanso]

http://i46.tinypic.com/anigkn.jpg
CEO who said he would ‘start killing people’ over gun control

Yeah this guy looks stable

[Jujubees2]

Great idea. A mop in on hand and pistol in the other.

Ohio school district votes to allow janitors to carry guns on campus (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-school-district-votes-arm-janitors-article-1.1238799#ixzz2HrXrj1De)

[hanso]

http://i49.tinypic.com/33jgytv.gif


Great idea. A mop in on hand and pistol in the other.

Ohio school district votes to allow janitors to carry guns on campus (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-school-district-votes-arm-janitors-article-1.1238799#ixzz2HrXrj1De)

[A.J.]

Great idea. A mop in on hand and pistol in the other.

Ohio school district votes to allow janitors to carry guns on campus (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ohio-school-district-votes-arm-janitors-article-1.1238799#ixzz2HrXrj1De)

I'd trust this man to protect our kids.

http://content7.flixster.com/question/41/18/95/4118953_std.jpg

[spoon]

http://i46.tinypic.com/anigkn.jpg
CEO who said he would ‘start killing people’ over gun control

Yeah this guy looks stable

danlaroe?

:wink:

[spoon]

This guy is already armed!

Hospitals are safe.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4b/Janitor-scrubs.jpg/250px-Janitor-scrubs.jpg

[deliciousV]

to pretend to be so progressive and enlightened this board is so quick to jump on any acceptable stereotype. Janitors have a low level job in society, so they must be untrustworthy, nice.

[spoon]

to pretend to be so progressive and enlightened this board is so quick to jump on any acceptable stereotype. Janitors have a low level job in society, so they must be untrustworthy, nice.

nobody even hinted at that, much less wanted past law enforcement officers in the role

so why do you expect everyone to be fine or even close with this?

we all know Fallon too, and hence how dangerous this idea is

:innocent:

while you claim the board is one generalization, you ACTUALLY take that polar opposite side and have become pretty much the very thing you are upset about.

show me where someone pushed some "progressive and enlightened" attitude on this topic versus having VERY reasonable doubts here. sorry V, this is just a STUPID fucking idea.

[spoon]

to pretend to be so progressive and enlightened this board is so quick to jump on any acceptable stereotype. Janitors have a low level job in society, so they must be untrustworthy, nice.

and let's not act like anyone is wrong when they claim most janitors are in the position due to a underwhelming level of education on the books. that doesn't mean they aren't intelligent or able to do other things, but why so touchy on this subject?

bottom line here is there average level of schooling is very low and the job is pretty simplistic...so yah, let's add a HUGE responsibility and power to this title/job description bc if we were to make this gun call, they are clearly the group to pull it through!?

sorry, not a good call at all

and for the record, some of the janitors at our grade school were the nicest crew in the world and loved by the town. it has nothing to do with that factor.

[deliciousV]

and let's not act like anyone is wrong when they claim most janitors are in the position due to a underwhelming level of education on the books. that doesn't mean they aren't intelligent or able to do other things, but why so touchy on this subject?

bottom line here is there average level of schooling is very low and the job is pretty simplistic...so yah, let's add a HUGE responsibility and power to this title/job description bc if we were to make this gun call, they are clearly the group to pull it through!?

sorry, not a good call at all

and for the record, some of the janitors at our grade school were the nicest crew in the world and loved by the town. it has nothing to do with that factor.

but if somebody one this board quoted crime statistics by race they'd be called a racist, and yes, I know there are many other factors involved in those statistics, but they'd be seen as making a stereotype. A great many janitors have already had long careers in other fields and retired, as a matter of fact my dad worked part time as a janitor in Ohio after he retired from the Dayton Daily News, and I assure you he would have gladly died protecting children. He was not undereducated.
I know for a fact he had to pass a solid backgroud check to be allowed to work at a school. If a school district feels this is they're best hope to protect their students, then I say give it a chance.
But let's not pretend the overall tone of the previous posts was highly judgemental and stereotyped janitors as being less than others. Maybe stereotype was the wrong word, maybe snobby is a better one.

[spoon]

just bc a school district feels this is they're best hope to protect their students surely isn't enough for me to buy in

not sure why it is for you

what if they wanted the class officers to carry, perhaps the department heads?

pretty much every option is fucking stupid, as guns in a teacher or janitor's hands is plain NOT the answer for what really boils down to ridiculously rare attacks and looks past true issues. So do you agree with the NRA prez that the only way to combat a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun? In fucking schools pre-k through college? Sorry, not me.

[deliciousV]

just bc a school district feels this is they're best hope to protect their students surely isn't enough for me to buy in

not sure why it is for you

what if they wanted the class officers to carry, perhaps the department heads?

pretty much every option is fucking stupid, as guns in a teacher or janitor's hands is plain NOT the answer for what really boils down to ridiculously rare attacks and looks past true issues. So do you agree with the NRA prez that the only way to combat a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun? In fucking schools pre-k through college? Sorry, not me.

I thought we had discussed this enough for you to know that I agree with you on this part. But the fact exists that our country is gonna make a lot of knee jerk moves as a result of these rare attacks, and I'm just not so quick to stick my nose up at janitors based on their percieved station in life.

[spoon]

I thought we had discussed this enough for you to know that I agree with you on this part. But the fact exists that our country is gonna make a lot of knee jerk moves as a result of these rare attacks, and I'm just not so quick to stick my nose up at janitors based on their percieved station in life.

i think you're reading too much into this bc of your personal tie

i turn my nose up to it bc it's fucking stupid plain and simple...teacher, janitor or professionally trained former military...stupid

[spoon]

I thought we had discussed this enough for you to know that I agree with you on this part. But the fact exists that our country is gonna make a lot of knee jerk moves as a result of these rare attacks, and I'm just not so quick to stick my nose up at janitors based on their percieved station in life.

it's been an issue for a LONG time now, much less this event happened a while back

I think we're way beyond knee-jerk reaction. In fact, nothing ever seems to get done which in my mind is EXACTLY the NRA's plan of attack.

[deliciousV]

i think you're reading too much into this bc of your personal tie

i turn my nose up to it bc it's fucking stupid plain and simple...teacher, janitor or professionally trained former military...stupid

here we disagree, these attention seeking lunitics seem to always target places that they know have no security, something should be done to remove these easy targets from their list, even if it's just a police presence on school grounds.
And yes, I do believe that the best way to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, I don't see how you can even argue that it's not true, it's not pretty, and it's not ideal, but for some reason this is the world we live in right now.

[spoon]

here we disagree, these attention seeking lunitics seem to always target places that they know have no security, something should be done to remove these easy targets from their list, even if it's just a police presence on school grounds.
And yes, I do believe that the best way to stop a bad person with a gun is a good person with a gun, I don't see how you can even argue that it's not true, it's not pretty, and it's not ideal, but for some reason this is the world we live in right now.

it's easy, don't let him get the gun...much less a weapon that can inflict mass damage in seconds

the answer is not making schools a potential wild wild west local saloon shootout...there was a reason they outlawed guns in many later on, bc it decreased the violence.

[deliciousV]

it's easy, don't let him get the gun...much less a weapon that can inflict mass damage in seconds

the answer is not making schools a potential wild wild west local saloon shootout...there was a reason they outlawed guns in many later on, bc it decreased the violence.

prevention doesn't answer the question of how to stop a bad guy once he has the gun, anymore than new laws will stop the lawless from getting a gun, of any kind.

and violence has not been decreased in Chicago, or Detroit, or England for that matter.

[Bob Impact]

prevention doesn't answer the question of how to stop a bad guy once he has the gun, anymore than new laws will stop the lawless from getting a gun, of any kind.

and violence has not been decreased in Chicago, or Detroit, or England for that matter.

I know how badly teachers and janitors were treated in my school growing up, I wouldn't have given any of them a gun and felt like that was reducing the odds of someone getting shot prior to bringing a gun into the situation. For the vast majority of schools in this country there is a good chance there will never be a gun fatality on site. For all of these schools, those odds just got substantially worse simply because of the introduction of a gun in response to the insanely low odds of an attack. It's introducing the potential for that gun to be lost, used in anger, taken by a student, any number of scenarios that could have never happened before the janitor suddenly became Rambo.

[deliciousV]

I know how badly teachers and janitors were treated in my school growing up, I wouldn't have given any of them a gun and felt like that was reducing the odds of someone getting shot prior to bringing a gun into the situation. For the vast majority of schools in this country there is a good chance there will never be a gun fatality on site. For all of these schools, those odds just got substantially worse simply because of the introduction of a gun in response to the insanely low odds of an attack. It's introducing the potential for that gun to be lost, used in anger, taken by a student, any number of scenarios that could have never happened before the janitor suddenly became Rambo.

you could be right, we'll all find out together, there's no way to know for sure.

[deliciousV]

I'd actually like to see every school district in the country put out the word that many teachers and other staff will be armed, not actually arm them, but put it out there. Let's see if the possibility of armed resistance has any effect. I realize that there is a likelihood that this info would leak, but maybe if the right people are selected to pretend to be a part of this it could work long enough to test the theory.

[Bob Impact]

you could be right, we'll all find out together, there's no way to know for sure.

But what we DO know is that these schools now have at least one gun in the hands of someone with two entire days of handgun training every day from now on.

[deliciousV]

But what we DO know is that these schools now have at least one gun in the hands of someone with two entire days of handgun training every day from now on.

two days of official training, that doesn't mean they don't have previous military or police training, and if the people in the district feel safer sending their kids to school, who are we to judge? I'm for letting states and communities govern themselves, until there's a reason to intervene.

[Syd]

two days of official training, that doesn't mean they don't have previous military or police training, and if the people in the district feel safer sending their kids to school, who are we to judge? I'm for letting states and communities govern themselves, until there's a reason to intervene.

And I'm sure they have training for when they're under duress, because shooting paper targets and pretend fighting with your murder toy is exactly like an actual experience that triggers fight-or-flight, one of the most notoriously difficult aspects of human nature that totally kills your dexterity and inhibits your judgment process.

That's why all this shit is security theater fomented by all the NRA propaganda that's been spewing out their shit-geyser mouthpiece of a PR arm for decades. Everyone thinks they're Jack Bauer or some cowboy mother fucker with a handgun and they can shoot the hostage. There's a reason why cops spray down "urban youths" whenever they're threatened, because handguns are the most obvious example of a murder toy.

[hanso]

to pretend to be so progressive and enlightened this board is so quick to jump on any acceptable stereotype. Janitors have a low level job in society, so they must be untrustworthy, nice.

How about it's a bad idea? Let's not forget which side has casted all public sector into that moniker. Their only bight idea is to pile more crap onto them never even once to coincider having a living wage to go with it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nice work dickbags!!!!!




http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-gun-permit-map-used-by-burglars-to-target-white-plains-home-1.4441678

[Jujubees2]

Nice work dickbags!!!!!




http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-gun-permit-map-used-by-burglars-to-target-white-plains-home-1.4441678

Another overreaction WF, Come on, you're better than that.

Police are investigating what role, if any, the database played in the burglars' decision to target the home, the law enforcement source said.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So it's just a coincidence ?


Oh I see now. Criminals don't read the newspapers

[Jujubees2]

So it's just a coincidence ?


Oh I see now. Criminals don't read the newspapers

No but why don't you wait for definitive proof before jumping to conclusions.

And not many people in general read a newspaper anymore.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The report said in the beginning paragraphs that the intended target was the gun safe

The JN's purpose was never for public safety . It was to promote an agenda to expose legal gun ownership.

Why didn't they publish names and addresses of paroled felons a few days after that guy shot the firemen?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They could have got the info via the JN website. It pinpointed info in 2 counties

[Jujubees2]

The report said in the beginning paragraphs that the intended target was the gun safe

The JN's purpose was never for public safety . It was to promote an agenda to expose legal gun ownership.

Why didn't they publish names and addresses of paroled felons a few days after that guy shot the firemen?

So the Journal News published that this guy had a gun safe too? Did they public where in the house the gun safe is?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They printed the name and addresses. They didn't post types of weapons. However they gave a tool for criminals by posting addresses on where to find guns

I'm not up on burglary 101 however wouldn't Jewelry be the main target? Criminals can get a lot more for diamonds

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stay out of my uterus!!!!

Everyone's a civil libertarian with that , however they become a bunch of busybodies when it doesn't fit their agenda

[hanso]

Nice work dickbags!!!!!




http://newyork.newsday.com/news/nation/journal-news-gun-permit-map-used-by-burglars-to-target-white-plains-home-1.4441678

I did call this... bad guys will take good guys guns..who woulda thought

[Jujubees2]

They printed the name and addresses. They didn't post types of weapons. However they gave a tool for criminals by posting addresses on where to find guns

I'm not up on burglary 101 however wouldn't Jewelry be the main target? Criminals can get a lot more for diamonds

Correlation does not imply causation

[spoon]

Correlation does not imply causation

and even IF there is a tie, a HUGE IF, they didn't break any law

irresponsible perhaps, no matter what side of the isle you find yourself on, but not illegal at all

if writing an article and publishing it on gun owners homes is dangerous and you to call it out, what's the difference in guns being out there to be utilized by the same criminal element not being good? It's not a one way street. Both are fine, but need to be more responsible with how we utilize both this information and the access/control of different levels of the weapons themselves. yet it is comical that an article is dangerous in the wrong hands even if legal to WF and some nuts out there, but not the actual fucking guns...we just need more of them in the good guy's hand, home and land.

[Jujubees2]

and even IF there is a tie, a HUGE IF, they didn't break any law

irresponsible perhaps, no matter what side of the isle you find yourself on, but not illegal at all

if writing an article and publishing it on gun owners homes is dangerous and you to call it out, what's the difference in guns being out there to be utilized by the same criminal element not being good? It's not a one way street. Both are fine, but need to be more responsible with how we utilize both this information and the access/control of different levels of the weapons themselves. yet it is comical that an article is dangerous in the wrong hands even if legal to WF and some nuts out there, but not the actual fucking guns...we just need more of them in the good guy's hand, home and land.

If a house that wasn't on the list got broken into was it because the robbers knew they DIDN'T have a gun?

[spoon]

If a house that wasn't on the list got broken into was it because the robbers knew they DIDN'T have a gun?

of course

that's how most WF games work

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and even IF there is a tie, a HUGE IF, they didn't break any law

irresponsible perhaps, no matter what side of the isle you find yourself on, but not illegal at all

if writing an article and publishing it on gun owners homes is dangerous and you to call it out, what's the difference in guns being out there to be utilized by the same criminal element not being good? It's not a one way street. Both are fine, but need to be more responsible with how we utilize both this information and the access/control of different levels of the weapons themselves. yet it is comical that an article is dangerous in the wrong hands even if legal to WF and some nuts out there, but not the actual fucking guns...we just need more of them in the good guy's hand, home and land.

So why don't they publish names and addresses of recently paroled violent felons for the millionth time?



No one said it was illegal however they had an agenda and they used a tragedy to exploit it.


As far as having mass amount of armed guards at school. I am not for that. We already have an already expanded police state.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

of course

that's how most WF games work

Ever think if guns are stolen, they can be used to commit MORE crimes?


Logic loses again.

[Chigworthy]

Can I join the masturbation fest here?

[Jujubees2]

Ever think if guns are stolen, they can be used to commit MORE crimes?


Logic loses again.

So the safest thing to do is not own guns so they can't be stolen to commit other crimes.

[hanso]

So the safest thing to do is not own guns so they can't be stolen to commit other crimes.

No hord them and have them be readily available that sweet boy timothy mcveigh worked gun shows

[deliciousV]

So the safest thing to do is not own guns so they can't be stolen to commit other crimes.

this guy disagrees http://www.fresnobee.com/2013/01/11/3129344/bandit-opened-fire-at-pharmacy.html#storylink=omni_popular

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So the safest thing to do is not own guns so they can't be stolen to commit other crimes.

Maybe the safest thing is not to print names and addresses of legal gun owners.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So the safest thing to do is not own guns so they can't be stolen to commit other crimes.

She will take issue with your comment.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

[Jujubees2]

She will take issue with your comment.


http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

Yeah, but I wonder if these people had second thoughts about having the gun in the house.

Retired Cop Fatally Shoots Own Son, After Mistaking Him For Burglar (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/09/man-fatally-shot-inside-far-northwest-side-home/)

NY Police Officer Shoots and Kills Son He Thought Was An Intruder (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/22/ny-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-son-he-thought-was-an-intruder/)

Connecticut teacher mistakenly kills son after neighbor reports robber (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/connecticut-father-kills-son/index.html)

Not Again! Man Shoots & Kills His Girlfriend, Mistakenly Thought She Was An Intruder (http://globalgrind.com/news/man-shoots-kills-his-girlfriend-mistakenly-thought-intruder-details#ixzz2HzQQzmJY)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, but I wonder if these people had second thoughts about having the gun in the house.

Retired Cop Fatally Shoots Own Son, After Mistaking Him For Burglar (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/09/man-fatally-shot-inside-far-northwest-side-home/)

NY Police Officer Shoots and Kills Son He Thought Was An Intruder (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/22/ny-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-son-he-thought-was-an-intruder/)

Connecticut teacher mistakenly kills son after neighbor reports robber (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/connecticut-father-kills-son/index.html)

Not Again! Man Shoots & Kills His Girlfriend, Mistakenly Thought She Was An Intruder (http://globalgrind.com/news/man-shoots-kills-his-girlfriend-mistakenly-thought-intruder-details#ixzz2HzQQzmJY)


Where are the articles of gun violence in Chicago . Ground zero for gun control laws

[Jujubees2]

Where are the articles of gun violence in Chicago . Ground zero for gun control laws

Stay on topic WF. We're talking abut having a gun in your house for safety...

[deliciousV]

Yeah, but I wonder if these people had second thoughts about having the gun in the house.

Retired Cop Fatally Shoots Own Son, After Mistaking Him For Burglar (http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/10/09/man-fatally-shot-inside-far-northwest-side-home/)

NY Police Officer Shoots and Kills Son He Thought Was An Intruder (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/07/22/ny-police-officer-shoots-and-kills-son-he-thought-was-an-intruder/)

Connecticut teacher mistakenly kills son after neighbor reports robber (http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/connecticut-father-kills-son/index.html)

Not Again! Man Shoots & Kills His Girlfriend, Mistakenly Thought She Was An Intruder (http://globalgrind.com/news/man-shoots-kills-his-girlfriend-mistakenly-thought-intruder-details#ixzz2HzQQzmJY)

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stay on topic WF. We're talking abut having a gun in your house for safety...


I'm not dismissing your links , however should everyone be disarmed because of those situations?

People text and drive and there are thousands of accidents however people are still allowed to drive

[Bob Impact]

I'm not dismissing your links , however should everyone be disarmed because of those situations?

People text and drive and there are thousands of accidents however people are still allowed to drive

Jujubee is arguing like a person who understands logic WF, think of it like a boxing lesson where the person your fighting is saying "I'm going to hit you with a left jab" and then hitting you at will with it.

Edit to clarify: I don't agree with the points being made, just enjoying the dismantling.

[Jujubees2]

I'm not dismissing your links , however should everyone be disarmed because of those situations?

People text and drive and there are thousands of accidents however people are still allowed to drive

I never made any mention of people being disarmed. I simply was pointing out that a gun in the house also has the potential for very deadly unintended consequences.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jujubee is arguing like a person who understands logic WF, think of it like a boxing lesson where the person your fighting is saying "I'm going to hit you with a left jab" and then hitting you at will with it.

Edit to clarify: I don't agree with the points being made, just enjoying the dismantling.


I clearly understand his point however , Accidents happen. Life ain't perfect

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I never made any mention of people being disarmed. I simply was pointing out that a gun in the house also has the potential for very deadly unintended consequences.



So does rushing feel good knee jerk laws. Reference the patriot act

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People have dogs as protection and there is a risk they can maul the neighbors kid or the mailman

[spoon]

So why don't they publish names and addresses of recently paroled violent felons for the millionth time?



No one said it was illegal however they had an agenda and they used a tragedy to exploit it.


As far as having mass amount of armed guards at school. I am not for that. We already have an already expanded police state.

yes yes, you said EVERYTHING in the post above a million fucking times and it's beyond old. They didn't exploit a tragedy, is it so hard to believe that a local paper and some writers may actually BELIEVE in their take? Right or wrong, it's called reporting and as long as those names are public record, the gun owners know/knew the info was out there. Would I be pissed about this if I owned? Surely. However, that doesn't mean your PUBLIC information and oft reported crime logs and parolees makes a fucking lick of sense tied to this for the millionth time. Whatever blog you picked up this angle from is fucking stupid parrot boy. And nice..."expanded police state" snuck in there. You are WF Jones huh?

[spoon]

Ever think if guns are stolen, they can be used to commit MORE crimes?


Logic loses again.

nope, never

you are soooo smrt

SMRT!

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:wallbash:

[Jujubees2]

So does rushing feel good knee jerk laws. Reference the patriot act

Again, stay on topic WF

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again, stay on topic WF



Ive already acknowledged that there are unintended consequences, however should other peoples rights be restricted due to these situations ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes, you said EVERYTHING in the post above a million fucking times and it's beyond old. They didn't exploit a tragedy, is it so hard to believe that a local paper and some writers may actually BELIEVE in their take? Right or wrong, it's called reporting and as long as those names are public record, the gun owners know/knew the info was out there. Would I be pissed about this if I owned? Surely. However, that doesn't mean your PUBLIC information and oft reported crime logs and parolees makes a fucking lick of sense tied to this for the millionth time. Whatever blog you picked up this angle from is fucking stupid parrot boy. And nice..."expanded police state" snuck in there. You are WF Jones huh?


You have the right to go to one of those shore town boardwalks in NJ and say fuck all you WOPS but is it the right thing to do?
Those actions will get negative feedback and what the JN did is also getting that negative response


No I am not someone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job, however the federal government did use that to create Homeland Security, the TSA, pass the patriot act and NDAA, and invade Iraq all which are highly unpopular

[spoon]

So does rushing feel good knee jerk laws. Reference the patriot act

and once again wf

gun laws have been debated for DECADES...there is no fucking feel good knee jerk law possible this late in the game

but if you say so

and to jjb's point, there are cons to any pro...good aspects as well as bad

anyone can pick and choose data in one off forms as you have and that was how jjb made a very valid point to break your lame angle down

[spoon]

People have dogs as protection and there is a risk they can maul the neighbors kid or the mailman

and they are responsible for their dog's actions no?

what's the point? slippery slope bullshit again right

classic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are already thousands of laws on the books. Just enforce existing ones and make tweaks if necessary

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and they are responsible for their dog's actions no?

what's the point? slippery slope bullshit again right

classic


If Nancy Lanza wasn't shot , she would have probably been accountable for allowing her son to have access to weapons


She's not around to explain her actions

[spoon]

You have the right to go to one of those shore town boardwalks in NJ and say fuck all you WOPS but is it the right thing to do?
Those actions will get negative feedback and what the JN did is also getting that negative response


No I am not someone who believes that 9/11 was an inside job, however the federal government did use that to create Homeland Security, the TSA, pass the patriot act and NDAA, and invade Iraq all which are highly unpopular

I would argue almost every one was pretty much PUSHED by the public, much less there actually being a need for the likes of the TSA and Homeland Security at this time...Run better with some tweaks, sure.

The NDAA and Patriot Act are garbage pushed through earlier for power and I've never been a fan even when the public were all too willing to nix our privacy and rights...to me they'd be gone if anyone pushed hard enough, wanted it (either party) and made it a front-line issue. Yet which party possibly in power or about to attain power will actually remove them? I have my doubts.

[spoon]

There are already thousands of laws on the books. Just enforce existing ones and make tweaks if necessary

bullshit

all are farcical at best after being ripped apart and sold for parts via the NRA and GOP onslaughts while being written, adjusted and over time in place

[spoon]

If Nancy Lanza wasn't shot , she would have probably been accountable for allowing her son to have access to weapons


She's not around to explain her actions

she wasn't fit to own herself, as you can clearly deduce from all the reports on why and what she was arming herself

simple screens and numbers checks should have picked that shit up with any decent setup

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bullshit

all are farcical at best after being ripped apart and sold for parts via the NRA and GOP onslaughts while being written, adjusted and over time in place



Not at all. More layers of laws on top of existing laws already in place creates more red tape and redundancy and loopholes around the new laws

[WRESTLINGFAN]

she wasn't fit to own herself, as you can clearly deduce from all the reports on why and what she was arming herself

simple screens and numbers checks should have picked that shit up with any decent setup



I am not sure if she got them from a registered dealer or thru a private sale, however the shooter tried to buy from a dealer at a store and he was turned down because he did not want to go thru a check


If anything tweak the laws for private sales

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wanna talk unintended consequences?

Last month there were about 2 million requests for background checks.

[deliciousV]

Honestly, we can all argue our points of view until the end of time, it'll get us nowhere. The truth be told, I read the passion and sincerity in everyones argument and I can't feel like you're wrong or stupid when we disagree, you are espousing the viewpoints that you feel are best for your family and community. My opinion is that I can't judge what's best for your community any better than you can decide for mine. A lot of you are in the north east and in crowded city environments facing the issues that go along with that, I can't relate. I have always lived in more rural areas where hunting and target shooting and the need to take care of yourself are a way of life, passed on from generation to generation. Where I live it'd take the police a long time to respond, and by then it'd probably be too late, so I believe in individual fire power. Where a lot of you are the road rage caused by crowded roads and the anger brought on by crowded neighborhoods and many other factors lead you to want a gunless environment, where fists are the biggest fear.
We can't begin to decide what's best for the whole country based on our conditions, that's why I find myself more in favor of States and communities making these decisions, not a blanket federal mandate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Honestly, we can all argue our points of view until the end of time, it'll get us nowhere. The truth be told, I read the passion and sincerity in everyones argument and I can't feel like you're wrong or stupid when we disagree, you are espousing the viewpoints that you feel are best for your family and community. My opinion is that I can't judge what's best for your community any better than you can decide for mine. A lot of you are in the north east and in crowded city environments facing the issues that go along with that, I can't relate. I have always lived in more rural areas where hunting and target shooting and the need to take care of yourself are a way of life, passed on from generation to generation. Where I live it'd take the police a long time to respond, and by then it'd probably be too late, so I believe in individual fire power. Where a lot of you are the road rage caused by crowded roads and the anger brought on by crowded neighborhoods and many other factors lead you to want a gunless environment, where fists are the biggest fear.


We can't begin to decide what's best for the whole country based on our conditions, that's why I find myself more in favor of States and communities making these decisions, not a blanket federal mandate.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

EXACTLY!!!!!!

[booster11373]

Fuck States rights I wont county rights

Wait fuck that I want township rights

No way I want village rights

No wait I want block rights

Fuck no every house should have its own set of laws and rights

And then every floor in that house

And then every room

And then will be free of such tyranny

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You had to use all that sarcasm ?


Just say you want a national democracy .

[deliciousV]

Fuck States rights I wont county rights

Wait fuck that I want township rights

No way I want village rights

No wait I want block rights

Fuck no every house should have its own set of laws and rights

And then every floor in that house

And then every room

And then will be free of such tyranny

I've spent a lot of time in Wilmington, I hope you have a gun, no wait a machine gun, no wait a bazooka, no wait a tank.....

[spoon]

and the need to take care of yourself are a way of life, passed on from generation to generation. ...

I get where you're coming from up until this quoted part...explain "take care of yourself" bc I'm pretty sure everyone does this in urban areas too. I think it's crazy as booster states (no pun intended) to break it down state by state, bc in the end even those with gun laws would be at the will of those around them without...see Chicago. It can't be done in little pockets, and I'm not even saying removing guns is the answer. But to say it's fine to have a state like Florida make calls for the state based on either the rural or urban areas defeats even your take overall.

I have lived in both urban and rural areas...and I can attest that the world won't end with better regulation, checks and limited numbers/levels of weapons.

[spoon]

Fuck States rights I wont county rights

Wait fuck that I want township rights

No way I want village rights

No wait I want block rights

Fuck no every house should have its own set of laws and rights

And then every floor in that house

And then every room

And then will be free of such tyranny

VIVA PETORIA!

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110627011153/familyguy/images/e/eb/300px-BH_LMC.png

[spoon]

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

EXACTLY!!!!!!

Holy shit, WF agrees with himself!

:flush:

[deliciousV]

I get where you're coming from up until this quoted part...explain "take care of yourself" bc I'm pretty sure everyone does this in urban areas too. I think it's crazy as booster states (no pun intended) to break it down state by state, bc in the end even those with gun laws would be at the will of those around them without...see Chicago. It can't be done in little pockets, and I'm not even saying removing guns is the answer. But to say it's fine to have a state like Florida make calls for the state based on either the rural or urban areas defeats even your take overall.

I have lived in both urban and rural areas...and I can attest that the world won't end with better regulation, checks and limited numbers/levels of weapons.

I meant take care of yourself because the police/sheriff is probably not gonna get there in time.
Other than that, I respect your opinion, and I'd definately like to find a way to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies and the criminal at heart, I'm just not sure it can be done. So until it can be proven that it can, I'll be prepared to take care of myself and mine.

[deliciousV]

Holy shit, WF agrees with himself!

:flush:

ouch, he was agreeing with me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ouch, he was agreeing with me



Yes because we don't need a top down approach. Life in Montana is way different than in Boston.


Some people want an incorporated bill of rights. That was never intended for the states

[spoon]

well nothing will ever be perfect, but it's clear we have a problem in which SOMETHING needs to be done...not drag feet and or dig in on hardline stances

and not even being biased here, the NRA is coming off as outright fucking assholes and lunatics in all this. i just can't see anyone sending them money as their past and current leaders are fucking bat shit insane. i get protecting the 2nd too, but that doesn't mean you have to look nuts and completely insensitive in the process.

[spoon]

ouch, he was agreeing with me

nothing against you, just he went apeshit nuts bc it's a classic take by WF for everything and he sure as hell couldn't pass up a chance to figuratively blow himself

[deliciousV]

nothing against you, just he went apeshit nuts bc it's a classic take by WF for everything and he sure as hell couldn't pass up a chance to figuratively blow himself

I take no offense, I guess, in this one subsection of this one area, he and I agree.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

nothing against you, just he went apeshit nuts bc it's a classic take by WF for everything and he sure as hell couldn't pass up a chance to figuratively blow himself



Do you understand what the difference btwn a democracy and what a federal republic is?


As much as I disagree what Cuomo proposes. What goes on in NY in regards to gun laws should only affect NY

[deliciousV]

well nothing will ever be perfect, but it's clear we have a problem in which SOMETHING needs to be done...not drag feet and or dig in on hardline stances

and not even being biased here, the NRA is coming off as outright fucking assholes and lunatics in all this. i just can't see anyone sending them money as their past and current leaders are fucking bat shit insane. i get protecting the 2nd too, but that doesn't mean you have to look nuts and completely insensitive in the process.

I think this is one of those rare situations where what we consider common sense and the facts collide, there is no arguing that statistically the places with the strongest gun control laws have higher rates of violent crime, they just do. Common sense might dictate that gun control should help but the evidence points to the contrary.
It's easy to label someone crying out against common sense as batshit crazy, but in this case the statistics are on their side. They may seem insensative and unbending, but the stats support their stance.

[epo]

I think this is one of those rare situations where what we consider common sense and the facts collide, there is no arguing that statistically the places with the strongest gun control laws have higher rates of violent crime, they just do. Common sense might dictate that gun control should help but the evidence points to the contrary.
It's easy to label someone crying out against common sense as batshit crazy, but in this case the statistics are on their side. They may seem insensative and unbending, but the stats support their stance.

And yet there is a direct statistical correlation between the adoption/elapsing of the assault weapons ban & mass casualty shootings.

Data and stuff.

[deliciousV]

And yet there is a direct statistical correlation between the adoption/elapsing of the assault weapons ban & mass casualty shootings.

Data and stuff.

in the 10 years before the last ban there were 173 mass shootings resulting in 766 victoms. during the ban there were 182 resulting in 830 victoms. In the 5 years before the ban assault weapons were used in 4.8% of the cases, since the ban that has dropped to 1.6% , most crimes are commited with handguns.

Data and stuff

[jennysmurf]

in the 10 years before the last ban there were 173 mass shootings resulting in 766 victoms. during the ban there were 182 resulting in 830 victoms. In the 5 years before the ban assault weapons were used in 4.8% of the cases, since the ban that has dropped to 1.6% , most crimes are commited with handguns.

Data and stuff

:laugh: Ha, epo! DelV owned you.

[deliciousV]

:laugh: Ha, epo! DelV owned you.

In spite of the urge to one up each other, I think the facts are that a terrible thing happened, I think it was a random event caused by a perfect storm of problems, you had a crazy person who's mom had weapons she didn't secure who was apparently jealeous of her intended attentions on elementary school children, all while she was working to put him in a nut hut, he made several attempts to buy weapons, then killed her and stole the weapons she should have secured.
The phrase "knee jerk" keeps coming up, the reason is that this event was so tragic that people are all crying out for something, anything, to be done. Common sense makes it easy to cry out for one thing, but statistics don't really support that thing to be done, yet everybody wants something done. It just plain sucks, all around.

[spoon]

Do you understand what the difference btwn a democracy and what a federal republic is?


As much as I disagree what Cuomo proposes. What goes on in NY in regards to gun laws should only affect NY

and here we go with wf charm and info emporium again

:wallbash:

[spoon]

In spite of the urge to one up each other, I think the facts are that a terrible thing happened, I think it was a random event caused by a perfect storm of problems, you had a crazy person who's mom had weapons she didn't secure who was apparently jealeous of her intended attentions on elementary school children, all while she was working to put him in a nut hut, he made several attempts to buy weapons, then killed her and stole the weapons she should have secured.
The phrase "knee jerk" keeps coming up, the reason is that this event was so tragic that people are all crying out for something, anything, to be done. Common sense makes it easy to cry out for one thing, but statistics don't really support that thing to be done, yet everybody wants something done. It just plain sucks, all around.

well the numbers you keep claiming aren't in favor of bans are LOADED with bias in both directions based on who you talk to, much less an amazingly high level of confounding factors that have to be in the overall picture. I've seen plenty of "facts" linked to both sides and the fly in the face of one another. to me, classic stat bending for either cause

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and here we go with wf charm and info emporium again

:wallbash:

It's called knowing what a federal republic is.

[hanso]

Honestly, we can all argue our points of view until the end of time, it'll get us nowhere. The truth be told, I read the passion and sincerity in everyones argument and I can't feel like you're wrong or stupid when we disagree, you are espousing the viewpoints that you feel are best for your family and community. My opinion is that I can't judge what's best for your community any better than you can decide for mine. A lot of you are in the north east and in crowded city environments facing the issues that go along with that, I can't relate. I have always lived in more rural areas where hunting and target shooting and the need to take care of yourself are a way of life, passed on from generation to generation. Where I live it'd take the police a long time to respond, and by then it'd probably be too late, so I believe in individual fire power. Where a lot of you are the road rage caused by crowded roads and the anger brought on by crowded neighborhoods and many other factors lead you to want a gunless environment, where fists are the biggest fear.
We can't begin to decide what's best for the whole country based on our conditions, that's why I find myself more in favor of States and communities making these decisions, not a blanket federal mandate.

The stand your ground law makes this into a death play, and a get away with murder scenario

American Legislative Exchange Council will make sure all states have this / other lax gun laws... so much for leave it up to each state.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NY to pass more strict laws.

Already passed the state senate.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-gun-bill-toughen-already-strict-law-135801362.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CYDfPVQNwIAD9vQtDMD

[hanso]

well nothing will ever be perfect, but it's clear we have a problem in which SOMETHING needs to be done...not drag feet and or dig in on hardline stances

and not even being biased here, the NRA is coming off as outright fucking assholes and lunatics in all this. i just can't see anyone sending them money as their past and current leaders are fucking bat shit insane. i get protecting the 2nd too, but that doesn't mean you have to look nuts and completely insensitive in the process.

"National Rifle Association CEO and Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre sums up the philosophy this way: “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”"

Also blames Hollywood & video games. Of course he will come out with something that promotes guns his lobbyists would not have it any other way.

[brettmojo]

"National Rifle Association CEO and Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre sums up the philosophy this way: “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”"

Also blames Hollywood & video games. Of course he will come out with something that promotes guns his lobbyists would not have it any other way.

So Hollywood makes movies... In which the good guys get rid of the bad guys with guns...
We play video games... In which the good guys get rid of the bad guys with guns...

Brilliant.

[hanso]

I think this is one of those rare situations where what we consider common sense and the facts collide, there is no arguing that statistically the places with the strongest gun control laws have higher rates of violent crime, they just do. Common sense might dictate that gun control should help but the evidence points to the contrary.
It's easy to label someone crying out against common sense as batshit crazy, but in this case the statistics are on their side. They may seem insensative and unbending, but the stats support their stance.

Anyone who questions this I suggest you google this sentence.

[epo]

Anyone who questions this I suggest you google this sentence.

If you look internationally, we are the aberration. Everyone else has violent entertainment, video games, etc.

We are the ones with the weakest gun control laws and the ones with the worst gun violence problems.

[brettmojo]

If you look internationally, we are the aberration. Everyone else has violent entertainment, video games, etc.

We are the ones with the weakest gun control laws and the ones with the worst gun violence problems.

The laws don't work because the redneck states next door don't have them. But I guess it's state's rights to complete fuck up their neighbor state's rights.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Where gun control is strict for example the UK. Their violent crime per 100K is more than the US.


Furthermore CT has one of the most strict laws on the books and it still didnt prevent the Sandy Hook shooting.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The laws don't work because the redneck states next door don't have them. But I guess it's state's rights to complete fuck up their neighbor state's rights.

This isnt fucking up another states rights. Texas or any other states gun laws are not infringing on your rights. Someones liberty to have a concealed carry permit also means yours not to have one.

[hanso]

NY to pass more strict laws.

Already passed the state senate.

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-gun-bill-toughen-already-strict-law-135801362.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CYDfPVQNwIAD9vQtDMD

Ant opened the show with this

craaaazy talk like 1 alex jones

[A.J.]

Where gun control is strict for example the UK. Their violent crime per 100K is more than the US.


Furthermore CT has one of the most strict laws on the books and it still didnt prevent the Sandy Hook shooting.

This is true. In fact, the laws that were in place prevented Adam Lanza from buying guns on his own. The "loophole" here was that his mother was able to buy them.

As I think I said before, one of the reforms might be to have stricter regulations in place to prevent people from buying guns if there's a person in the home with serious mental issues. I know this gets into a medical confidentiality area but keeping an arsenal around a mentally troubled person is like keeping cleaning products in the reach of a baby.

[hanso]

"National Rifle Association CEO and Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre sums up the philosophy this way: “The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”"

Also blames Hollywood & video games. Of course he will come out with something that promotes guns his lobbyists would not have it any other way.

He also said something about a database of metal people

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is true. In fact, the laws that were in place prevented Adam Lanza from buying guns on his own. The "loophole" here was that his mother was able to buy them.

As I think I said before, one of the reforms might be to have stricter regulations in place to prevent people from buying guns if there's a person in the home with serious mental issues. I know this gets into a medical confidentiality area but keeping an arsenal around a mentally troubled person is like keeping cleaning products in the reach of a baby.

Were there any reports if the guns were locked up or not? I know some states require trigger locks especially with children in the house.

[A.J.]

I never heard one way or the other. But if reports were true that the mother taught him how to shoot them, he probably knew how to get to them.

[Bob Impact]

The laws don't work because the redneck states next door don't have them. But I guess it's state's rights to complete fuck up their neighbor state's rights.
Please rethink this statement. It's far beneath your level of intelligence.

He also said something about a database of metal people

That shit to me is the worst of any of the crazy shit being talked about. Not only is it disgusting to keep a list of highly confidential medical information for buying something that isn't illegal but I really, REALLY don't trust their ability to do it. Shit, I got audited for the year I bought my house because my wife's (then fiance's) SSN shows up first on the paperwork but only I claim the house on our taxes. The IRS couldn't see my SSN on the form so they red flagged me when I deducted my mortgage interest. It took 3 weeks to clear up the idea of joint ownership of a house with the goddamned IRS. God forbid these morons get my name on the "crazy guy" list.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tomorrow Obama is going to announce new gun control measures. As usual he's going to need human props in the background this time using kids. What a lowlife. Fuck these parents too for pimping out their kids like that. Whether if it's the tea party who does it or Obama its a cheap way to get your message across

Then again Obama always has to be a grandstanding front running douche

[spoon]

It's called knowing what a federal republic is.

No it isn't. As we were talking about an issue and u went right back to your dicky and incorrect assertion u have a monopoly on simplistic definitions. My bad though, how dare anyone try to adapt to times and needs of each generation. Let's get locked down by simpletons and their rigid takes on ancient policy and takes on the constitution as if they were never meant to be ammended, much less having different interpretations out there.

[spoon]

Bing bong shitty phone ap

[spoon]

This is true. In fact, the laws that were in place prevented Adam Lanza from buying guns on his own. The "loophole" here was that his mother was able to buy them.

As I think I said before, one of the reforms might be to have stricter regulations in place to prevent people from buying guns if there's a person in the home with serious mental issues. I know this gets into a medical confidentiality area but keeping an arsenal around a mentally troubled person is like keeping cleaning products in the reach of a baby.

Wait, i though scrubbing bubbles clean their insides nice!? No?

[spoon]

Tomorrow Obama is going to announce new gun control measures. As usual he's going to need human props in the background this time using kids. What a lowlife. Fuck these parents too for pimping out their kids like that. Whether if it's the tea party who does it or Obama its a cheap way to get your message across

Then again Obama always has to be a grandstanding front running douche

Just like all those "props" that got shot right? It makes plenty of sense to have some kids around for this. Plus it's politics stupid.

[KnoxHarrington]

Just like all those "props" that got shot right? It makes plenty of sense to have some kids around for this. Plus it's politics stupid.

From what I'm hearing, what he's going to propose are a lot of the things that the NRA claims they are also in favor of, such as making sure that mental health issues like involuntary institutionalization appear in background checks, and improved data sharing between law enforcement organizations. It'll be funny to see how the NRA plays this after really breaking out the crazy on this.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just like all those "props" that got shot right? It makes plenty of sense to have some kids around for this. Plus it's politics stupid.

Stupid politics is more like it


It's classless , but then again with a low rent President like Obama it shouldn't be a surprise that he goes that route.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No it isn't. As we were talking about an issue and u went right back to your dicky and incorrect assertion u have a monopoly on simplistic definitions. My bad though, how dare anyone try to adapt to times and needs of each generation. Let's get locked down by simpletons and their rigid takes on ancient policy and takes on the constitution as if they were never meant to be ammended, much less having different interpretations out there.

Your feeble little mind still can't process basic information on the difference btwn a democracy and what a constitutional republic is.


IF you want to amend the constitution, there is a process for that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama uses kids as trinkets, at the same time, those little tykes don't know that they will be paying for his lavish spending habits when they grow up.

[A.J.]

Wait, i though scrubbing bubbles clean their insides nice!? No?

Let's find out.

[epo]

Tomorrow Obama is going to announce new gun control measures. As usual he's going to need human props in the background this time using kids. What a lowlife. Fuck these parents too for pimping out their kids like that. Whether if it's the tea party who does it or Obama its a cheap way to get your message across

Then again Obama always has to be a grandstanding front running douche

Nobody ever granstands in politics. Sort of like the NRA putting out a web ad using OBAMA'S KIDS as a fucking prop.

[spoon]

Stupid politics is more like it


It's classless , but then again with a low rent President like Obama it shouldn't be a surprise that he goes that route.

Low rent huh...classic.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nobody ever granstands in politics. Sort of like the NRA putting out a web ad using OBAMA'S KIDS as a fucking prop.

Obamas daughters shouldnt be fodder because their father is a showboater

[spoon]

Constitutional scholar, democracy, low rent, props, all sounds sooo familiar. As if they are the focus of some pther outlets. Nah, can't be. This is original thought WF we r talking about. Squawk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Constitutional scholar, democracy, low rent, props, all sounds sooo familiar. As if they are the focus of some pther outlets. Nah, can't be. This is original thought WF we r talking about. Squawk.

Fair share, the rich, millionaires and billionaires, balanced approach, comprehensive

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Another windbag speech and rehashing the same shit.



I would love for someone in the press pool call him out for giving weapons to Mexican drug cartels in which hundreds were massacred with

He doesnt have the balls to mention his adopted hometown has one of the most strict gun laws and more people were killed there last year than coalition troops in Afghanistan.

[Bob Impact]

I would love a member of the press what, precisely, his legislation would have done to stop Newtown if it was enacted let's say a year beforehand.

[Snoogans]

I would love a member of the press what, precisely, his legislation would have done to stop Newtown if it was enacted let's say a year beforehand.

well then they wouldnt have had to fake it, silly

[epo]

Constitutional scholar, democracy, low rent, props, all sounds sooo familiar. As if they are the focus of some pther outlets. Nah, can't be. This is original thought WF we r talking about. Squawk.

It's a shame he forgot uppity & lazy.

He's really off his game.