mass shooting 100 day challenge

[hanso]

On September 27 a workplace shooting in Minneapolis left six people dead (including the killer, who committed suicide) and two others wounded.

http://www.startribune.com/local/171774461.html


6th this year

next psycho gun owner is on the clock- duck & cover

[PapaBear]

We have some pretty dark threads here, but this one takes the cake.

[keithy_19]

We have some pretty dark threads here, but this one takes the cake.

I think I can help.

[keithy_19]

lol

[cougarjake13]

We have some pretty dark threads here, but this one takes the cake.



where to ?

[A.J.]

We have some pretty dark threads here, but this one takes the cake.

Order another cake.

[hanso]

where to ?

The Distance

[hanso]

Made it 3 weeks

Gunman kills self after injuring 4 women, killing 3 in Wisconsin salon

Brookfield police chief Daniel Tushaus confirmed that Radcliffe Haughton, the only suspect police were seeking, was found inside the salon dead of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He also stated that the three victims he said had died at the scene did not include Haughton.

http://livewire.wisn.com/Event/Breaking_News_Brookfield_Mall_Shooting/52875130

[hanso]

There was one a few days back I failed to post. Don't think we will make it 100 days ever :sad:

[PapaBear]

There was one a few days back I failed to post. Don't think we will make it 100 days ever :sad:
Are you referring to to the one in Fresno? Totally fucked up. The victims were working in a loud chicken plant, and wearing ear plugs. He walked up to five people (targeted victims), and shot each of them point blank in the head. No one heard any of it, because of the noise and ear protection.

[Jujubees2]

We have some pretty dark threads here, but this one takes the cake.

You mean this cake?

http://ttag.zippykidcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/rifle_1-copy.jpg

[hanso]

Are you referring to to the one in Fresno? Totally fucked up. The victims were working in a loud chicken plant, and wearing ear plugs. He walked up to five people (targeted victims), and shot each of them point blank in the head. No one heard any of it, because of the noise and ear protection.

Must be only knew it was in Cali didn't know details... that is Totally fucked up

[hanso]

At least three dead, including gunman, in Oregon mall shooting

At least two people were killed when a masked gunman opened fire at a mall in Oregon, sparking panic before apparently turning the gun on himself, police said.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/11/at-least-one-dead-in-oregon-mall-shooting/

[Chigworthy]

mass murder event selected for coverage by the media and sensationalized 100 day challenge

thread title fixed.

[JohnGacysCrawlSpace]

At least two people were killed when a masked gunman opened fire at a mall in Oregon,


I'd hardly call that a mass shooting.

[Furtherman]

Shooting reported at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown (http://www.wfsb.com/story/20345707/school-shooting-reported-in-newtown)

According to sources, Yale-New Haven Hospital has activated emergency triage unit which responds to mass casualty incidents.


:down:

[HBox]

Guns clearly aren't a problem.

[Furtherman]

Update

There is some scary news coming out of Newtown, Conn., where a shooting at an elementary school has left at least one person dead and several others injured. The latest word from authorities by way of the Hartford Courant and the national news networks is that at least one person—believed to be the gunman—has been killed and that there are multiple other shooting victims, some of whom are children. There were early reports of two gunmen, but that remains unconfirmed, as do other reports of multiple deaths.


The Courant with the story as we currently know it:


Shortly after 9:40 a.m., police reported that a shooter was in the main office of the school. A person in one room had "numerous gunshot wounds," police said. Groups of students—some crying, some holding hands—were being escorted away from the school by their teachers. Some students were still in the school at 10:30 a.m., parents said.
School and local emergency officials are accounting for the children, who will be released to their parents to get them home. A staging area has been set up at the Sandy Hook fire department, directly in front of the school.
The Newtown Bee has this photo, showing a line of upset students being escorted from the school by their teachers. Authorities are expected to brief the media this afternoon with more. We'll update with more information as it becomes available.

[A.J.]

I'm watching the live feed from Channel 3 in CT. Apparently, the firefighters told the kids to close their eyes as they led them out of the school. One of the dead is reportedly the principal.

[hanso]

http://www.justin.tv/2ndruntv_cnn

cnn online and there is a shoutbox can read on right

[Chigworthy]

One of the dead is reportedly the principal.

Do we know if he deserved it or not yet?

[jennysmurf]

Do we know if he deserved it or not yet?

And I thought DisneySpy was awful.:happy:

[A.J.]

Now they're saying that at least more than 10 kids were killed.

[Furtherman]

Now they're saying that at least more than 10 kids were killed.

Holy shit

[Furtherman]

CBS reporting over a dozen dead.



Today will not be a good day.

[A.J.]

I just heard 27 confirmed dead.

[HBox]

I'm so sick of this shit. So fucking sick of it.

And I'm convinced as a country we will never do anything about it.

[Furtherman]

I just heard 27 confirmed dead.

Me too.


14 kids.

[A.J.]

It sounds like the shooter wiped out a classroom.

[JimBeam]

Kindergarten no less.

[JimBeam]

I live in a bordering town and have friends/coworkers from there.

As of right now they all seem to be OK but it's one of the things where you're bound to know somebody who knew somebody.

Who kills any innocent person let alone a 5 year old child ?

[A.J.]

The shooter may have killed his mother before going to the school.

[Furtherman]

The shooter may have killed his mother before going to the school.

He also may have ties to the school. That could mean former employee or maybe student?

[JimBeam]

I heard here that he was a 24 year old parent. Unsure if he had a kid there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Condolonces to the victims and families.


Heres the latest info.



http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-20-old-suspect-had-ties-school-182136798--politics.html

[NickyL0885]

We really are a uncivilized country. We own the most guns, and have the most gun deaths. No new laws will be passed, and even if they are nothing will change. Guns will just be obtained illegally. NRA is saying we need more guns to stop people like this guy today. Really?! I guess thousands will need to die before we even have a discussion about this, since Gov't is all "this is not the time to talk about this". Go ask the families who just lose their kids. Tell them this isn't time to make stricter gun laws.

[NickyL0885]

31 U.S. school shootings since Columbine. School shootings in every other country in the world combined since that time: 14.

[JimBeam]

Trying to keep up on feeds :

ABC News is now reporting, per federal investigative sources, that the dead shooter was Ryan Lanza of New Jersey, whose mother is a teacher in the school and she was one of the people killed.

I also had herad, whether it's true or not, that they found his dad dead in NJ.

[styckx]

CNN is classy interviewing 3rd graders and making them recount their story of mass murder.. Also classy is the parents who allowed their children to be exploited for TV ratings over mass murder.

I hate this country.

[JimBeam]

Just as silly are all the feeds and tweets reading statuses/tweets of guys w/ the same name and saying " How did anybody not see this coming ? "

[disneyspy]

for a second there i thought the president was going to lock up and start crying

[A.J.]

for a second there i thought the president was going to lock up and start crying

Me too. And I was about to join him.

[styckx]

I got choked up, he fought hard but couldn't hide it.. It was the only real humanity out of this ordeal I've seen and read about today and it came from the person who it should have came from. The media really need to take note and stop exploiting this shit for shock value. I don't need kids being interviewed, I don't need pictures of mothers who obviously just found out their kid is dead, I don't need 8000 recounts of how tragic it is.. We know.. The media are such incenstive faggots

[disneyspy]

i want to turn the tv off cuz i dont think i can handle another pic of kids in shock crying but i cant

[A.J.]

I want to hear from the Governor. He was supposed to hold a news conference.

And it appears that this loser also may have killed his girlfriend and brother.

[JimBeam]

Now there's a report that a brother was found dead.

So I don't know if that means 1 brother is in custody and another is dead.

Reports that the g/f and another friend are aslo missing but hopefully that's either them hiding from this mess or just being out of the loop.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Malloy is having his press conf now.

[styckx]

i want to turn the tv off cuz i dont think i can handle another pic of kids in shock crying but i cant

Just turn it off dude. They are awful. I'm getting all I need to know refreshing a thread I'm reading else where.

[A.J.]

Malloy is having his press conf now.

I want to give him the benefit of the doubt of having endured an emotionally draining day, but he is painful to hear speak. All those "uhhs" and "umms".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im in the other room with the TV on in the living room so Im able to hear whats going on. Those still photos and video especially of the children are too painful and bothersome to see.

[disneyspy]

Just turn it off dude. They are awful. I'm getting all I need to know refreshing a thread I'm reading else where.

ya thats good advice

[A.J.]

They said even the first responders were breaking down after seeing the bodies at the crime scene.

[styckx]

The scary part is.. This will happen again shortly. The media are ramping up the attention level on this one to heights not seen in years. Even plastering the wrong guys picture all over the air. The Batman shooter didn't even make them go this crazy. Some nutjob somewhere is foaming at the mouth now craving the same attention. The MSM really needs to stop being such attention seeking assholes and actually use the power they hold to condemn this.. Instead for the batshit insane.. They only encourage it.

[HBox]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3qpdzin8qmg/UAyYL-Al9UI/AAAAAAAACxo/-pWepqe5lpY/s1600/531382_423236841051839_984329200_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People move to and live in Newtown and bedroom communities like that to be safe but is there really any place thats safe when you get down to the brass tax maybe there is no such thing as total safety.


There are some weekends that 20+ people are gunned down in Chicago, sometimes kids in the line of fire or unintended targets. Not to downplay inner city shootings but common thinking is that in this tragedy it's not supposed to happen in the Suburbs but look at a lot of the nationally covered mass shootings just this year. Oregon, Colorado, Wisconsin and today in CT for example, all places where you would least expect horrific murders.



I dont know, it makes you question if there is a god why does he let this happen, if he does exist, maybe he's not omniscient or omnibenevolent or if maybe he created everything and just washed his hands of it and allows just things to operate without interfering. I don't have an answer to any of that.

[Furtherman]

The media speculation and identification of the shooter has been a shitshow the last hour. They throw up thr wrong guy's picture, then it might be his brother, now no one is sure. That poor kid. Two words: Richard Jewell.

[cougarjake13]

all bc they want to have the scoop

[Furtherman]

I dont know, it makes you question if there is a god why does he let this happen, if he does exist, maybe he's not omniscient or omnibenevolent or if maybe he created everything and just washed his hands of it and allows just things to operate without interfering. I don't have an answer to any of that.

Keep questioning.

[styckx]

The media speculation and identification of the shooter has been a shitshow the last hour. They throw up thr wrong guy's picture, then it might be his brother, now no one is sure. That poor kid. Two words: Richard Jewell.

Yep.. Freedom of the press is such a touchy subject.. While I believe it should be there I really wish there was something in place that actually held them accountable for the lives they ruin and fuckups they make.. They are scumbags

[HBox]

We need to do what we are capable of to limit the scope of these things. There are crazy people, there are violent people, there are violent and crazy people. As a society and a government we can't identify all of them, cure them, stop them from becoming that way. It's just impossible.

One thing we can do is stop making it SO FUCKING EASY TO WALK INTO A FUCKING SCHOOL AND KILL DOZENS OF PEOPLE SIMPLY BY TWITCHING YOUR FUCKING FINGER.

If we continue to do nothing we deserve for this to keep happening. Just as we've deserved it as it has been happening for the last decade plus as we let the NRA dictate our gun policy.

[HBox]

Yep.. Freedom of the press is such a touchy subject.. While I believe it should be there I really wish there was something in place that actually held them accountable for the lives they ruin and fuckups they make.. They are scumbags

They should be sued and their punishment should be a settlement many orders of magnitude higher than their typical price of doing business.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yep.. Freedom of the press is such a touchy subject.. While I believe it should be there I really wish there was something in place that actually held them accountable for the lives they ruin and fuckups they make.. They are scumbags

if some field reporter 1st breaks the news that its a certain name and she got it from confirmed sources, then in turn it was a different name I'm not ready to throw her to the lions.


However trying to get details and specifics from an 8 year old is abhorent.

[keithy_19]

Yep.. Freedom of the press is such a touchy subject.. While I believe it should be there I really wish there was something in place that actually held them accountable for the lives they ruin and fuckups they make.. They are scumbags

I'm for the freedom of the press. I just think that the problem is the jumping to get the breaking news and throwing out information which hasn't been verified.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm for the freedom of the press. I just think that the problem is the jumping to get the breaking news and throwing out information which hasn't been verified.

Watching that series the newsroom makes me no way an expert in Journalism but it gave a good generalization of what goes on in a situation like this when its a national story.

Maybe the anchors and reporters got orders from higher up's and were ordered to report the news at that moment/time period.

[styckx]

if some field reporter 1st breaks the news that its a certain name and she got it from confirmed sources, then in turn it was a different name I'm not ready to throw her to the lions.


However trying to get details and specifics from an 8 year old is abhorent.

The problem was the news used Facebooks search engine to search for the suspects name, found a name in the same area and just assumed it was the dude and plastered his picture everywhere.

[keithy_19]

We need to do what we are capable of to limit the scope of these things. There are crazy people, there are violent people, there are violent and crazy people. As a society and a government we can't identify all of them, cure them, stop them from becoming that way. It's just impossible.

One thing we can do is stop making it SO FUCKING EASY TO WALK INTO A FUCKING SCHOOL AND KILL DOZENS OF PEOPLE SIMPLY BY TWITCHING YOUR FUCKING FINGER.

If we continue to do nothing we deserve for this to keep happening. Just as we've deserved it as it has been happening for the last decade plus as we let the NRA dictate our gun policy.

I'm not asking this to be condescending, but what do you feel the answer is?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The problem was the news used Facebooks search engine to search for the suspects name, found a name in the same area and just assumed it was the dude and plastered his picture everywhere.



A similar situation happened in Colorado when somebody went on some Colorado tea party page and found the same name as the Aurora shooter.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know that there are more than 2 dozen families grieving and especially during so close to Christmas its even more tragic.



People have been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time. Before anyone knew what gunpowder was. Before TV, rock music, video games, the Internet.

The capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature. We all have free will, or at least all of us who have functioning, competent minds anyway. And probably nine-tenths of Americans would NEVER contemplate doing something so barbaric and senseless

[jennysmurf]

.One thing we can do is stop making it SO FUCKING EASY TO WALK INTO A FUCKING SCHOOL AND KILL DOZENS OF PEOPLE SIMPLY BY TWITCHING YOUR FUCKING FINGER.


The girls I care for go to a school that's almost completely open. No hallways, just covered walkways and not even a stupid fence around the campus. Anyone could walk into any room and kill all the students just by walking across the playground. There is ZERO security. It's insane.

[Jujubees2]

I know that there are more than 2 dozen families grieving and especially during so close to Christmas its even more tragic.



People have been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time. Before anyone knew what gunpowder was. Before TV, rock music, video games, the Internet.

The capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature. We all have free will, or at least all of us who have functioning, competent minds anyway. And probably nine-tenths of Americans would NEVER contemplate doing something so barbaric and senseless

Yeah, but on this level. Guns make it so much easier to kill lots and lots of people quickly. I think if the guy had a club he wouldn't have killed as many people.

[styckx]

The thing is this also.

Why are we as a society to the point we are locking down schools like jails? Or putting uniformed men in them and instilling a fear and not safety? I remember back in the 90s the first time we had an on duty police officer patrol the school. Our school never had gun problems, or even violence.. The occasional fight but all schools had that. Why is this cop there now? Why does he have an office? Shit.. We had a full time on duty cop stationed in a fucking school. WTF? It didn't make me feel safe, I felt extremely uncomfortable. What has changed in society in the last 15 years? Sure this shit has happened before but it used to actually be surprising. Every couple years some wackjob snapped and killed a few people or tossed a bomb in a trash can. Now it's like we celebrate every holiday w/ a mass shooting to go along with it.

We seem so keen on protecting ourselves against how to react when it happens instead of trying to figure out why it's happening. More locks and more cops isn't going to stop a determined crazy person. If you lock down a school good enough it's just going to cause the person to pick an alternative target..

Like a movie theater..

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, but on this level. Guns make it so much easier to kill lots and lots of people quickly. I think if the guy had a club he wouldn't have killed as many people.

I know its impossible to outrun a bullet and I dont think everyone should have access to guns.

I'm an owner and I believe that there should be classes on gun safety, responsibility etc, Theres no objection to that from me.

All I'm saying if he didnt have access to a gun he could have found another way to inflict max damage. Look what McVeigh did with fertilizer. In a blink of an eye 168 people were killed. You could probably find info for explosives if you did an internet search.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The thing is this also.

Why are we as a society to the point we are locking down schools like jails? Or putting uniformed men in them and instilling a fear and not safety? I remember back in the 90s the first time we had an on duty police officer patrol the school. Our school never had gun problems, or even violence.. The occasional fight but all schools had that. Why is this cop there now? Why does he have an office? Shit.. We had a full time on duty cop stationed in a fucking school. WTF? It didn't make me feel safe, I felt extremely uncomfortable. What has changed in society in the last 15 years? Sure this shit has happened before but it used to actually be surprising. Every couple years some wackjob snapped and killed a few people or tossed a bomb in a trash can. Now it's like we celebrate every holiday w/ a mass shooting to go along with it.

We seem so keen on protecting ourselves against how to react when it happens instead of trying to figure out why it's happening. More locks and more cops isn't going to stop a determined crazy person. If you lock down a school good enough it's just going to cause the person to pick an alternative target..

Like a movie theater..

It might end up happening.

Look at the over the top security and mass clusterfuck when flying. We have TSA agents who have carte blanche to do almost whatever they want

Whats next? agents in schools and over the top security for that? Wouldnt be surprised

[styckx]

But why is this happening? Guns have always been simple to get so as much as people are trying to use this as a gun control debate I'm not buying their koolaid. Even though I have my own beliefs about gun control I don't believe it's even the main issue at hand.

Why are people snapping on such a regular basis now? I know I'm asking questions that you, or no one can answer but this is what needs to be studied. Guns are an easy out.. Guns aren't making people snap.. Something else is. Could you imagine in 1999 after Columbine someone saying "Pfft, don't worry, by 2012 these mass shootings will be happening with such a frequency you'll practically be immune to giving a shit about them".

We're almost there.. Kids are a heart wrencher and I've teared up a few times today just thinking about it but.. If this was adults being killed we'd probably be borderline making ironic jokes about another mass shooting in the U.S.

[styckx]

This made my night. This is FANTASTIC

http://gawker.com/5968650/abc-reporter-reaches-out-to-possible-sandy-hook-victim-is-told-to-eat-a-dick?tag=sandy-hook-shooting/

[deliciousV]

But why is this happening? Guns have always been simple to get so as much as people are trying to use this as a gun control debate I'm not buying their koolaid. Even though I have my own beliefs about gun control I don't believe it's even the main issue at hand.

Why are people snapping on such a regular basis now? I know I'm asking questions that you, or no one can answer but this is what needs to be studied. Guns are an easy out.. Guns aren't making people snap.. Something else is. Could you imagine in 1999 after Columbine someone saying "Pfft, don't worry, by 2012 these mass shootings will be happening with such a frequency you'll practically be immune to giving a shit about them".

We're almost there.. Kids are a heart wrencher and I've teared up a few times today just thinking about it but.. If this was adults being killed we'd probably be borderline making ironic jokes about another mass shooting in the U.S.

I'm gonna give my opinion as to why this is happening now, then I'm gonna get yelled at by some of you, but I'll live with it.
The generation that's doing this shit have grown up with the least amount of accountabilty of any in the past, "go stand in the corner, you're on time out", it doesn't work. So by the time they get to school they had to be put on special meds for overdiagnosed maladys just to make them sit still and learn, rather than face any kind of discipline. They have been rewarded for participation, no scores kept, and had people worrying aloud about their self esteem for so long that they now need pills for that too.
I hate to sound like the old man, but when I went to school the possibilty hung there that if you didn't behave, if you disrupted other peoples opportunity for an education, you might get a couple of whacks from the VP's paddle. It didn't happen very often, mostly people behaved. And when it did happen there was a good chance of it being repeated when you got home. I'm not talking about a beating, not some abussive criminal shit, I'm talking a controlled measure of discipline outside of anger.
School shootings started when creative discipline started, when parents started running down to the school to protect their children from discipline, and would sue or fight anybody who dared accuse their precious, let alone try and make them behave.

[cougarjake13]

I'm gonna give my opinion as to why this is happening now, then I'm gonna get yelled at by some of you, but I'll live with it.
The generation that's doing this shit have grown up with the least amount of accountabilty of any in the past, "go stand in the corner, you're on time out", it doesn't work. So by the time they get to school they had to be put on special meds for overdiagnosed maladys just to make them sit still and learn, rather than face any kind of discipline. They have been rewarded for participation, no scores kept, and had people worrying aloud about their self esteem for so long that they now need pills for that too.
I hate to sound like the old man, but when I went to school the possibilty hung there that if you didn't behave, if you disrupted other peoples opportunity for an education, you might get a couple of whacks from the VP's paddle. It didn't happen very often, mostly people behaved. And when it did happen there was a good chance of it being repeated when you got home. I'm not talking about a beating, not some abussive criminal shit, I'm talking a controlled measure of discipline outside of anger.
School shootings started when creative discipline started, when parents started running down to the school to protect their children from discipline, and would sue or fight anybody who dared accuse their precious, let alone try and make them behave.





i agree with you 100%


i never lived in a time of school whipping my ass but the threat of going home to dad was enough to keep me in line




no kid should be beaten like a mma fighter but a few good hits on the ass or wherever shouldnt cause alarm and have DCF called to ur house

[deliciousV]

i agree with you 100%


i never lived in a time of school whipping my ass but the threat of going home to dad was enough to keep me in line




no kid should be beaten like a mma fighter but a few good hits on the ass or wherever shouldnt cause alarm and have DCF called to ur house

I actually paid for my kids to go to a private school where corporal punishment was used, I wanted them to behave, and to be in an environment where the other kids had to behave. The 60 hrs a week I put in on the post office loading docks eventually led to an early medical retirement, but my kids got good grades.

[styckx]

I'm gonna give my opinion as to why this is happening now, then I'm gonna get yelled at by some of you, but I'll live with it.
The generation that's doing this shit have grown up with the least amount of accountabilty of any in the past, "go stand in the corner, you're on time out", it doesn't work. So by the time they get to school they had to be put on special meds for overdiagnosed maladys just to make them sit still and learn, rather than face any kind of discipline. They have been rewarded for participation, no scores kept, and had people worrying aloud about their self esteem for so long that they now need pills for that too.
I hate to sound like the old man, but when I went to school the possibilty hung there that if you didn't behave, if you disrupted other peoples opportunity for an education, you might get a couple of whacks from the VP's paddle. It didn't happen very often, mostly people behaved. And when it did happen there was a good chance of it being repeated when you got home. I'm not talking about a beating, not some abussive criminal shit, I'm talking a controlled measure of discipline outside of anger.
School shootings started when creative discipline started, when parents started running down to the school to protect their children from discipline, and would sue or fight anybody who dared accuse their precious, let alone try and make them behave.

That definitely did change. I remember one of my teachers still having paddles and he used to always brag about he was still using them up till the previous year until some parent complained. We do live in a "my snowflake would never do that" society. Personal responsibility has been thrown out the window as a standard American value. We more so live in a "Things didn't go my way, I'm a victim, meet my lawyer and pay me" society.. I couldn't imagine being an impressionable teenager and seeing people suing their way to success. I mean we live in a society where we are to the point a drunk driver can sue his victims (http://autos.aol.com/article/why-a-convicted-drunk-driver-is-suing-his-victims/). This is an extreme example but many less extreme but equally as silly lawsuits happen every day now and THEY WIN MONEY. Frivolous lawsuits are a hobby in this country and so many people are willing to just hand out "please go away" cash instead of fighting it because it costs a fortune to get a fair trial now.

I also agree with a little ass whooping.. Even a dyfs (Division of Youth and Family Services) employee will tell you it's perfectly fine, legal and encouraged. :)

[cougarjake13]

I actually paid for my kids to go to a private school where corporal punishment was used, I wanted them to behave, and to be in an environment where the other kids had to behave. The 60 hrs a week I put in on the post office loading docks eventually led to an early medical retirement, but my kids got good grades.



and im sure ur kids are well adjusted adults or close to being adults now

[Sinestro]

Usually when stuff like this happens, the argument for guns is that if someone was packing heat, this tragedy would have been prevented. So if those kids were packing heat, this tragedy would have been prevented. Just saying. BTW, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

[KC2OSO]

But why is this happening?

Good question.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/

hmmm...

[deliciousV]

Usually when stuff like this happens, the argument for guns is that if someone was packing heat, this tragedy would have been prevented. So if those kids were packing heat, this tragedy would have been prevented. Just saying. BTW, guns don't kill people, people kill people.

I think you have to follow the methods used by airlines after 9/11, make a couple of teachers secret special marshalls in each school, use teachers who are vets, or have some other experience in security, after a proper background check and training.
Beyond that, card scan entries into schools, solid doors on classrooms that either stay locked during classes, or can be electronically locked from the office at the first sign of trouble.

[spankyfrank]

I hate to be this guy but there is no rational behind any of this.

We can try to pick it apart and speculate but in the end, rare evil reared it's head today.

The only good that may have come from it is that maybe people will stop and have a discussion for once, instead of just defending a stance.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm gonna give my opinion as to why this is happening now, then I'm gonna get yelled at by some of you, but I'll live with it.
The generation that's doing this shit have grown up with the least amount of accountabilty of any in the past, "go stand in the corner, you're on time out", it doesn't work. So by the time they get to school they had to be put on special meds for overdiagnosed maladys just to make them sit still and learn, rather than face any kind of discipline. They have been rewarded for participation, no scores kept, and had people worrying aloud about their self esteem for so long that they now need pills for that too.
I hate to sound like the old man, but when I went to school the possibilty hung there that if you didn't behave, if you disrupted other peoples opportunity for an education, you might get a couple of whacks from the VP's paddle. It didn't happen very often, mostly people behaved. And when it did happen there was a good chance of it being repeated when you got home. I'm not talking about a beating, not some abussive criminal shit, I'm talking a controlled measure of discipline outside of anger.
School shootings started when creative discipline started, when parents started running down to the school to protect their children from discipline, and would sue or fight anybody who dared accuse their precious, let alone try and make them behave.


Do you also think it was because you had to use the word dickety because the kaiser had stolen your word for twenty?

[TripleSkeet]

Im just playing. I actually agree with everything you said.

[deliciousV]

Do you also think it was because you had to use the word dickety because the kaiser had stolen your word for twenty?

now you tell me, after I spent time rereading my post trying to find the word "Dickety"

[TripleSkeet]

Also, for the gun fans, this is the kind of crime that would be affected by stricter gun laws. Less guns arent gonna stop some 7/11 employee from getting shot in the ghetto, but a lunatic like this in the suburbs would never have gotten his hands on any illegal guns. That doesnt mean he may not have done something just as violent, like that crazy fucker in China that was slicing kids with a knife, but the bottom line is those kids arent dead.

Theres absolutely no reason any American civilian should be allowed to own an automatic weapon. Ever. Apparently Rupert Murdoch agrees. Wonder how thats gonna play out on Fox News.

[deliciousV]

Also, for the gun fans, this is the kind of crime that would be affected by stricter gun laws. Less guns arent gonna stop some 7/11 employee from getting shot in the ghetto, but a lunatic like this in the suburbs would never have gotten his hands on any illegal guns. That doesnt mean he may not have done something just as violent, like that crazy fucker in China that was slicing kids with a knife, but the bottom line is those kids arent dead.

Theres absolutely no reason any American civilian should be allowed to own an automatic weapon. Ever. Apparently Rupert Murdoch agrees. Wonder how thats gonna play out on Fox News.

the guy didn't have automatic weapons, they were semiautomatic, like most guns, one trigger pull one shot. And this nut coulda walked in with a can of gas and torched a class room full of kids, or waited until school let out and drove his mothers car thru them as they came out of school in mass.

[keithy_19]

Also, for the gun fans, this is the kind of crime that would be affected by stricter gun laws. Less guns arent gonna stop some 7/11 employee from getting shot in the ghetto, but a lunatic like this in the suburbs would never have gotten his hands on any illegal guns. That doesnt mean he may not have done something just as violent, like that crazy fucker in China that was slicing kids with a knife, but the bottom line is those kids arent dead.

Theres absolutely no reason any American civilian should be allowed to own an automatic weapon. Ever. Apparently Rupert Murdoch agrees. Wonder how thats gonna play out on Fox News.

I agree with you on the automatic weapons.

[spoon]

Yep.. Freedom of the press is such a touchy subject.. While I believe it should be there I really wish there was something in place that actually held them accountable for the lives they ruin and fuckups they make.. They are scumbags

It's called a lawsuit, and if they do fuck up and put the wrong guy's pic in a rush to be first, well they deserve it.

[keithy_19]

I agree with you on the automatic weapons.

Actually, I disagree with the "ever" part. I hope things never come to that, but if a government becomes oppresive and they are using automatics and the civilians have shotguns, well, it's obvious who wins.

For the record, I don't think this will happen in my lifetime or in many lifetimes after mine. But it's there for consideration.

[spankyfrank]

I think any person who is a real gun nut at this point and doesn't hunt is just a child who doesn't want to give up his favorite toy.

Same with people who get fancy cars which can also kill people.

[spankyfrank]

I don't know why I had to clarify that cars can people.

It's been a strange day.

[deliciousV]

I think any person who is a real gun nut at this point and doesn't hunt is just a child who doesn't want to give up his favorite toy.

Same with people who get fancy cars which can also kill people.

there have been a rash of breakins right around my house, they have hit the property that sits between me and the main road (I live down a dirt road in the woods, but we're talking less than a hundred yards) and they hit a church that is right next to my mailbox, am I a child for wanting to have my toy here to defend myself?

[spankyfrank]

there have been a rash of breakins right around my house, they have hit the property that sits between me and the main road (I live down a dirt road in the woods, but we're talking less than a hundred yards) and they hit a church that is right next to my mailbox, am I a child for wanting to have my toy here to defend myself?

Not at all but I think idiots who own assault weapons aren't owning them to defend themselves.

[spoon]

People move to and live in Newtown and bedroom communities like that to be safe but is there really any place thats safe when you get down to the brass tax maybe there is no such thing as total safety.


There are some weekends that 20+ people are gunned down in Chicago, sometimes kids in the line of fire or unintended targets. Not to downplay inner city shootings but common thinking is that in this tragedy it's not supposed to happen in the Suburbs but look at a lot of the nationally covered mass shootings just this year. Oregon, Colorado, Wisconsin and today in CT for example, all places where you would least expect horrific murders.



I dont know, it makes you question if there is a god why does he let this happen, if he does exist, maybe he's not omniscient or omnibenevolent or if maybe he created everything and just washed his hands of it and allows just things to operate without interfering. I don't have an answer to any of that.

Keep questioning.

We need to do what we are capable of to limit the scope of these things. There are crazy people, there are violent people, there are violent and crazy people. As a society and a government we can't identify all of them, cure them, stop them from becoming that way. It's just impossible.

One thing we can do is stop making it SO FUCKING EASY TO WALK INTO A FUCKING SCHOOL AND KILL DOZENS OF PEOPLE SIMPLY BY TWITCHING YOUR FUCKING FINGER.

If we continue to do nothing we deserve for this to keep happening. Just as we've deserved it as it has been happening for the last decade plus as we let the NRA dictate our gun policy.

there are people with mental disorders, anger issues and more in every area on this country, not just cities WF. it's foolish to think the city is the only place where killings occur, but crime and killings linked to them surely do. so different areas have different issues, like meth out in the sticks of epoland (wisconsin) versus gang issues in memphis. your God question seems right out of the mouth of a 10 year old...right in line with my take on your mental ability

[spankyfrank]

A double barrel shotgun with buck shot which my father has to hunt and defend will also stop a break in real quick.

[spoon]

Watching that series the newsroom makes me no way an expert in Journalism but it gave a good generalization of what goes on in a situation like this when its a national story.

Maybe the anchors and reporters got orders from higher up's and were ordered to report the news at that moment/time period.

no wf, anchors put their own shit together and run with it. they usually write up the stories during makeup

so glad you learned so much from a tv show

anchors relay, reporters report...pretty simple right?

who do you think the "higher up's" are anyway?

[deliciousV]

Not at all but I think idiots who own assault weapons aren't owning them to defend themselves.

as long as they aren't automatic weapons then they are just rifles and pistols, I don't think any citizen should have an automatic weapon. But there are lots of guns that look like an assult weapon that are just semi-auto, they are legal and no different than any other legal weapon in the damage they can do. They just look like an M16 or whatever.

[spoon]

The problem was the news used Facebooks search engine to search for the suspects name, found a name in the same area and just assumed it was the dude and plastered his picture everywhere.

well that's just solid research and reporting

how could that ever go wrong?

:wallbash:

lazy and pathetic sums it up best

much less their proofing

[spankyfrank]

no wf, anchors put their own shit together and run with it. they usually write up the stories during makeup

so glad you learned so much from a tv show

anchors relay, reporters report...pretty simple right?

who do you think the "higher up's" are anyway?

The most accurate depiction of Journalism and how it should be is the movie All The Kings Men which was about watergate. Now you could never print a story like that. Journalist alot of the time Self -edit.

Damn I'm Ramblin tonight.

[deliciousV]

A double barrel shotgun with buck shot which my father has to hunt and defend will also stop a break in real quick.

I have a pump action Mossberg 12 gauge, I bought it to hunt with years ago, but I don't have the heart for hunting anymore. I want to get a pistol though, better for home protection, it takes some time to get the Mossberg out and loaded, it's not practical. A pistol with a proper trigger lock would be faster and safe if my grandson found it, which he won't.
Where I am it'd take too long for the sheriff to get here, I don't live in fear, but I'd like to know I can protect me and mine until they did.

[spankyfrank]

as long as they aren't automatic weapons then they are just rifles and pistols, I don't think any citizen should have an automatic weapon. But there are lots of guns that look like an assult weapon that are just semi-auto, they are legal and no different than any other legal weapon in the damage they can do. They just look like an M16 or whatever.

People aren't differentiating when they buy those weapons. They just look cool to them and that's why they would buy it.

Defense doesn't enter into the occasion with people who are buying assault weapons regardless of whether they are automatic or not.

[Judge Smails]

Stay classy, news media:

http://i.imgur.com/bBJRv.jpg

[spoon]

I know that there are more than 2 dozen families grieving and especially during so close to Christmas its even more tragic.



People have been slaughtering each other since the dawn of time. Before anyone knew what gunpowder was. Before TV, rock music, video games, the Internet.

The capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature. We all have free will, or at least all of us who have functioning, competent minds anyway. And probably nine-tenths of Americans would NEVER contemplate doing something so barbaric and senseless

evil? "the capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature"...what the fuck does that even mean?

It's called mental disorders, anger issues and lack of empathy or caring at all. People have been self centered and self absorbed emotional messes since the dawn of time, that much you nailed. The weapons used when someone losses control mentally of their anger or demons are just that much more lethal these days and it shows up on every station vying for ratings in any way possible. There's your changes Del V. Not that your day was some glory age, bc you might want to check the stats on shootings and issues in schools over time...not to mention the schools my family have been involved with have a pretty strict rundown on responsibility and punishment for not having it. The bullshit of no score and participation medals are extremely overplayed and mostly are extremely rare cases in eclectic private schools. My nieces haven't once played a single game or contest in or out of school yet without a winner. It happens once in one school and it gets bullshit blown out of proportion fox news style. Exploited in similar fashion to what we saw all day today with this here for ratings, just most obviously just bought that storyline much easier.

Sorry, I want discipline and know it's place for kids as much as anyone, yet it's not the reason for people to have extreme mental fucking breaks like this. My take is that the world has become a ridiculous fast paced information based place with little time to decompress and actually enjoy your friends, family and life. It's multiple jobs, for less money, more traffic, more lines and more lines of communication that people never turn off. Instead of locking down our rights to large drinks, perhaps our politicians could help protect our work life balance better. Help relieve the pressures of traffic, cost, education/college versus how much soda we drink. I think the worry, stress and anxiety all lowers the common man's threshold to simply not deal well with tough events in life, and they just snap easier and do some awful things. Not having that normal family structure as a backbone doesn't help either.

[spoon]

I know its impossible to outrun a bullet and I dont think everyone should have access to guns.

I'm an owner and I believe that there should be classes on gun safety, responsibility etc, Theres no objection to that from me.

All I'm saying if he didnt have access to a gun he could have found another way to inflict max damage. Look what McVeigh did with fertilizer. In a blink of an eye 168 people were killed. You could probably find info for explosives if you did an internet search.

yes yes wf, gun saftey classes would have stopped this

for fucks sake

:wallbash:

[spoon]

It might end up happening.

Look at the over the top security and mass clusterfuck when flying. We have TSA agents who have carte blanche to do almost whatever they want

Whats next? agents in schools and over the top security for that? Wouldnt be surprised

no difference there AT ALL!?

:wallbash:

[spankyfrank]

Spoon you are going to get a bad headache if you keep bashing your head against the wall!!

Goodnight everyone!

[spoon]

I'm gonna give my opinion as to why this is happening now, then I'm gonna get yelled at by some of you, but I'll live with it.
The generation that's doing this shit have grown up with the least amount of accountabilty of any in the past, "go stand in the corner, you're on time out", it doesn't work. So by the time they get to school they had to be put on special meds for overdiagnosed maladys just to make them sit still and learn, rather than face any kind of discipline. They have been rewarded for participation, no scores kept, and had people worrying aloud about their self esteem for so long that they now need pills for that too.
I hate to sound like the old man, but when I went to school the possibilty hung there that if you didn't behave, if you disrupted other peoples opportunity for an education, you might get a couple of whacks from the VP's paddle. It didn't happen very often, mostly people behaved. And when it did happen there was a good chance of it being repeated when you got home. I'm not talking about a beating, not some abussive criminal shit, I'm talking a controlled measure of discipline outside of anger.
School shootings started when creative discipline started, when parents started running down to the school to protect their children from discipline, and would sue or fight anybody who dared accuse their precious, let alone try and make them behave.

do i think kids need discipline? of course, but it isn't even close to as different now as you make it out to be. part of the issue, perhaps, but small if any

most kids behave now too

[deliciousV]

evil? "the capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature"...what the fuck does that even mean?

It's called mental disorders, anger issues and lack of empathy or caring at all. People have been self centered and self absorbed emotional messes since the dawn of time, that much you nailed. The weapons used when someone losses control mentally of their anger or demons are just that much more lethal these days and it shows up on every station vying for ratings in any way possible. There's your changes Del V. Not that your day was some glory age, bc you might want to check the stats on shootings and issues in schools over time...not to mention the schools my family have been involved with have a pretty strict rundown on responsibility and punishment for not having it. The bullshit of no score and participation medals are extremely overplayed and mostly are extremely rare cases in eclectic private schools. My nieces haven't once played a single game or contest in or out of school yet without a winner. It happens once in one school and it gets bullshit blown out of proportion fox news style. Exploited in similar fashion to what we saw all day today with this here for ratings, just most obviously just bought that storyline much easier.

Sorry, I want discipline and know it's place for kids as much as anyone, yet it's not the reason for people to have extreme mental fucking breaks like this. My take is that the world has become a ridiculous fast paced information based place with little time to decompress and actually enjoy your friends, family and life. It's multiple jobs, for less money, more traffic, more lines and more lines of communication that people never turn off. Instead of locking down our rights to large drinks, perhaps our politicians could help protect our work life balance better. Help relieve the pressures of traffic, cost, education/college versus how much soda we drink. I think the worry, stress and anxiety all lowers the common man's threshold to simply not deal well with tough events in life, and they just snap easier and do some awful things. Not having that normal family structure as a backbone doesn't help either.

My son played YMCA soccer and basketball, because the private school he was in was too small to have teams, both didn't keep score and gave the participation trophys at the end of the season. Little league was still little league, score was kept.
I agree with you that things have changed in more ways than just the way I said, and I know mental illness is the main culprit here. I do wonder if some of this isn't the long term effects of the ADHD meds that were over prescribed for a quick fix, they do change brain chemestry.
And I never said my days were the glory days, we had our problems, And, how about you don't WF me or Fox News me, I haven't done anything to deserve that.

[spoon]

I actually paid for my kids to go to a private school where corporal punishment was used, I wanted them to behave, and to be in an environment where the other kids had to behave. The 60 hrs a week I put in on the post office loading docks eventually led to an early medical retirement, but my kids got good grades.

this isn't to get on you or incite anger, but the generation before yours wouldn't buy your early medical retirement. you would be labeled soft, just like you label kids these days

who is right? i think you know the answer is that generalizations in both these situations are ridiculous at best.

[spoon]

My son played YMCA soccer and basketball, because the private school he was in was too small to have teams, both didn't keep score and gave the participation trophys at the end of the season. Little league was still little league, score was kept.
I agree with you that things have changed in more ways than just the way I said, and I know mental illness is the main culprit here. I do wonder if some of this isn't the long term effects of the ADHD meds that were over prescribed for a quick fix, they do change brain chemestry.
And I never said my days were the glory days, we had our problems, And, how about you don't WF me or Fox News me, I haven't done anything to deserve that.

wf/fox news me?

i included a wf post and was addressing it and a few others...the fox news point is valid in that they blow shit COMPLETELY out of proportion plenty to push their agenda or ratings. many other venues do as well, but they take the cake. think the war on Christmas for a recent example

i thought you'd get that


as for the adhd meds, most of these people involved weren't on those

many weren't on a thing so there's that

[deliciousV]

this isn't to get on you or incite anger, but the generation before yours wouldn't buy your early medical retirement. you would be labeled soft, just like you label kids these days

who is right? i think you know the answer is that generalizations in both these situations are ridiculous at best.

actually I was forced to take a medical retirement after 6 elbow surgeries, I worked hard and nobody ever called me soft who saw me work, I've never been afraid of hard work. The PO just got tired of paying for the surgeries.

[spoon]

Stay classy, news media:

http://i.imgur.com/bBJRv.jpg

well fuck art too for tweeting about it in the first place

why the fuck does he have to put himself into the awful story to those around him/following him?

we know why

[spoon]

Spoon you are going to get a bad headache if you keep bashing your head against the wall!!

Goodnight everyone!

reading one post by WF gets me there instantaneously

[spoon]

actually I was forced to take a medical retirement after 6 elbow surgeries, I worked hard and nobody ever called me soft who saw me work, I've never been afraid of hard work. The PO just got tired of paying for the surgeries.

like I said, I'm not saying shit and know the same of the situation

the bottom line is the overall point being made on generation generalizations that will be made till the day humans no longer exist.

[deliciousV]

like I said, I'm not saying shit and know the same of the situation

the bottom line is the overall point being made on generation generalizations that will be made till the day humans no longer exist.

I guess that's true, we seem to get worse from generation to generation, it's easy enough to point at things that changed from ours to the next as the cause, it's probably much more complicated, but it's still very tempting.

[spoon]

I guess that's true, we seem to get worse from generation to generation, it's easy enough to point at things that changed from ours to the next as the cause, it's probably much more complicated, but it's still very tempting.

seem to get worse is the key phrase, as it's usually based on your perspective, not the truth

[Jayw]

Heres the thing...

In America there are people that don't own guns and most likely never will, and there are people that do. It is how you are raised.

As a non gun owner who has shot guns before, ya that feeling is awesome(handguns specifically), but also scary as shit. With one simple action you can end your life and anyone elses in a split second. I would never want to carry something like that daily if it wasn't required by job.

I wonder what the percentage of people that own a handgun for protection, have actually used it to save themselves. Verses the number of handguns for protection that have been used to murder or commit crimes.

The sad thing is there is no magic button we can press and eliminate guns in America, unfortunately it is engrained in our culture, to protect our guns, because they protect us (ya right).

Guns are a sad part of American culture that in my lifetime will never go away.

I mean what can we as American citizens do except cringe when this kind of shit happens? Try to pass laws and make guns illegal? Ya that works real good for drugs.

Gun safety classes? really?

When you argue about gun control you are arguing with the same people that blindly support the big man in the sky, want to stifle civil right of gay people(that are molesting your children... oh what that's the church), voted for mitt, and most likely drive slow in the left lane. Really not going any where here just wanted to throw some blind hate in.

People kill people, guns just make it easier. When you live in America it is what you sign up for on birth. As much as I hate guns just pray to that make believe god that half of America(the same half that is clutching their pistols) believes in that today isn't the day some pycho motherfucker makes you part of the nightly news, because in 3 days no one will even talk about said news story.

[Jayw]

See this is what these patriots want, to think and care about their issues I am sad I even made a post about this pyschos actions.

GUNS FOR LIFE REPUBLICAN BROS! Fuck faggots that want rights that every heterosexual has! DOMA bro I like vagina!

[Jayw]

Just to clarify I actually really like vagina too.

Was just trying to supports actual fags and queers alike. Without actually being one, try it. It doesn't actually kill your soul and make you rape little boys like the Christians want you to think. Have your gun ready just in case...

[keithy_19]

Jay, I have friends involved in law enforcement and they pretty much never want to use their weapon. And gun owners who have there guns in their homes for protection isn't the problem. I gurantee that most of them never want to be in a situation where they have to draw their weapon. The problem, to me, is the types of weapons people are allowed to have. I don't think someone needs an automatic or a semi-automatic. A hand gun? Fine. I also don't really follow you on the whole believing in God thing except it seemed like you just wanted to take a swipe at those with faith.

[NickyL0885]

Wouldn't it make sense to have someone have to pass a psych eval and criminal background check before being allowed to own a gun?

[styckx]

For anyone playing at home..

It took less than 24hrs for autism to be name dropped.. SCARY BUZZWORD!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/qpvhu.jpg

[cougarjake13]

Wouldn't it make sense to have someone have to pass a psych eval and criminal background check before being allowed to own a gun?


how wuld that prevent some pyscho fuck from stealing a gun ?

or taking it from someone else in their house that did pass ?

or just get it illegally

[Dan 'Hampton]

"Arm the teachers" us out there now. That was quick. How do we protect the kids from stressed out underpaid liberal union thugs? Well arm the kindergarten kids right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

evil? "the capacity to do evil is hard-wired into human nature"...what the fuck does that even mean?

It's called mental disorders, anger issues and lack of empathy or caring at all. People have been self centered and self absorbed emotional messes since the dawn of time, that much you nailed. The weapons used when someone losses control mentally of their anger or demons are just that much more lethal these days and it shows up on every station vying for ratings in any way possible. There's your changes Del V. Not that your day was some glory age, bc you might want to check the stats on shootings and issues in schools over time...not to mention the schools my family have been involved with have a pretty strict rundown on responsibility and punishment for not having it. The bullshit of no score and participation medals are extremely overplayed and mostly are extremely rare cases in eclectic private schools. My nieces haven't once played a single game or contest in or out of school yet without a winner. It happens once in one school and it gets bullshit blown out of proportion fox news style. Exploited in similar fashion to what we saw all day today with this here for ratings, just most obviously just bought that storyline much easier.

Sorry, I want discipline and know it's place for kids as much as anyone, yet it's not the reason for people to have extreme mental fucking breaks like this. My take is that the world has become a ridiculous fast paced information based place with little time to decompress and actually enjoy your friends, family and life. It's multiple jobs, for less money, more traffic, more lines and more lines of communication that people never turn off. Instead of locking down our rights to large drinks, perhaps our politicians could help protect our work life balance better. Help relieve the pressures of traffic, cost, education/college versus how much soda we drink. I think the worry, stress and anxiety all lowers the common man's threshold to simply not deal well with tough events in life, and they just snap easier and do some awful things. Not having that normal family structure as a backbone doesn't help either.

It means that if some person wants to do harm, they will find a way to do it. It can be many factors and the person doesnt even have to suffer from a mental disorder. Some people can flip out over his girlfirend or wife cheating hon him and then kill the woman and her lover.


Violence has been around since the 1st humans walked the planet. Its nothing new. The only thing that has changed are the tools used to perform those acts of violence

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes wf, gun saftey classes would have stopped this

for fucks sake

:wallbash:

Who said that it would have stopped it?


Can't you pay attention to my points and process information about what I posted about access and registration of guns?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no wf, anchors put their own shit together and run with it. they usually write up the stories during makeup

so glad you learned so much from a tv show

anchors relay, reporters report...pretty simple right?

who do you think the "higher up's" are anyway?

It's another word for management.


No, not that simple, there are meetings, etc btwn the producers and anchors, They dont just put a bunch of words on a teleprompter before having it reviewed/edited

[styckx]

"Arm the teachers" us out there now. That was quick. How do we protect the kids from stressed out underpaid liberal union thugs? Well arm the kindergarten kids right?

I stopped reading about this when I got as far as people attacking the Mass Effect Facebook page because Ryan [Liked] it and blamed it as a factor for the shooting.

Because one thing we all know is a video game about living in outer space with a romance twist and fighting aliens in a war is that it is very much the same as mass murdering innocents with semi autos.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

there are people with mental disorders, anger issues and more in every area on this country, not just cities WF. it's foolish to think the city is the only place where killings occur, but crime and killings linked to them surely do. so different areas have different issues, like meth out in the sticks of epoland (wisconsin) versus gang issues in memphis. your God question seems right out of the mouth of a 10 year old...right in line with my take on your mental ability

More worthless comments from you and It was expected.

Why do you always come up with goofy judgements and desperate conclusions? I know there is crime everywhere. Can you process anything and use some basic analysis

So philosophers and great thinkers who question the existance of god or a supreme being in ANY MATTER is the thoughts of a 10 year old?

There really is something wrong with those gears turning in that grape of yours

[spoon]

More worthless comments from you and It was expected.

Why do you always come up with goofy judgements and desperate conclusions? I know there is crime everywhere. Can you process anything and use some basic analysis

So philosophers and great thinkers who question the existance of god or a supreme being in ANY MATTER is the thoughts of a 10 year old?

There really is something wrong with those gears turning in that grape of yours

you really can't come up with one fucking original thought can you? not even to go back at me as you use my own take on you for that now and it's pathetic at best. focus, comprehension, processing, yes they are what I have said to you when you DON'T stay on topic and completely go off on tangents...so yes, good point bringing that up here as I specifically addressed your posts one by one.

Second, you get the respect you earned, zero.

and your stupid question does not put you in the "philosophers and great thinkers" category...in fact, quite the opposite with your grade school mentality on much of what you believe. what's next wf, why IS the sky blue as you already tackled the doozy of is there really a God if things like this happen? you're a fucking child...a big, dumb idiot who saw something bad and now questions the "existance" of God only now. My conclusion that you're a dolt is FAR from desperate, yet I do admit it's basic analysis.

[spoon]

Who said that it would have stopped it?


Can't you pay attention to my points and process information about what I posted about access and registration of guns?

so you admit it, your point what pointless here...great that you finally admit you add nothing but tripe and biased political angles to anything IF you manage not to veer into a topic ditch

[WRESTLINGFAN]

you really can't come up with one fucking original thought can you? not even to go back at me as you use my own take on you for that now and it's pathetic at best. focus, comprehension, processing, yes they are what I have said to you when you DON'T stay on topic and completely go off on tangents...so yes, good point bringing that up here as I specifically addressed your posts one by one.

Second, you get the respect you earned, zero.

and your stupid question does not put you in the "philosophers and great thinkers" category...in fact, quite the opposite with your grade school mentality on much of what you believe. what's next wf, why IS the sky blue as you already tackled the doozy of is there really a God if things like this happen? you're a fucking child...a big, dumb idiot who saw something bad and now questions the "existance" of God only now. My conclusion that you're a dolt is FAR from desperate, yet I do admit it's basic analysis.

What ? Respect from you? I dont need it and I don't want it from such a person who has such narrow thoughts and ZERO perspective of any analysis.


Going on a tangent? What does the sky have to do with anything. We know why the sky changes color with empirical evidence

Go ahead and pound those angry stumps on your computer. I dont give a fuck what you say or what you perceive of any of what I comment about. You show zero tact, class or decency.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so you admit it, your point what pointless here...great that you finally admit you add nothing but tripe and biased political angles to anything IF you manage not to veer into a topic ditch

Its not pointless. I was commenting that as a gun owner I dont think that everyone should be able to own one even if its thru legal means registration etc.


You made some assumption of me believing that safety classes would have prevented it with your usual way out there theories and it got shot down again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Spoon.


I usually like to get the last word in but Im going to make an exception for this. As usual you came here looking to antagonize and pick a fight and as usual instead of discussing the topic it you twisted it into how can you make yourself look petty and make cheap comments about me.


I'm bowing out on this one and will no longer address you on this topic. The stage is yours

[spoon]

What ? Respect from you? I dont need it and I don't want it from such a person who has such narrow thoughts and ZERO perspective of any analysis.


Going on a tangent? What does the sky have to do with anything. We know why the sky changes color with empirical evidence

Go ahead and pound those angry stumps on your computer. I dont give a fuck what you say or what you perceive of any of what I comment about. You show zero tact, class or decency.

ha, my narrow thoughts and zero perspective!

ha!

my tangent of the sky is blue! you're fucking HILARIOUS!

:lol:

keep talking stupid

[spoon]

Its not pointless. I was commenting that as a gun owner I dont think that everyone should be able to own one even if its thru legal means registration etc.


You made some assumption of me believing that safety classes would have prevented it with your usual way out there theories and it got shot down again.

again, hilarious

my assumption based on your exact words after it was brought up in this very thread

don't worry buddy, you earned your idiot badge years ago

shot down? laughable

[spoon]

Spoon.


I usually like to get the last word in but Im going to make an exception for this. As usual you came here looking to antagonize and pick a fight and as usual instead of discussing the topic it you twisted it into how can you make yourself look petty and make cheap comments about me.


I'm bowing out on this one and will no longer address you on this topic. The stage is yours

any time you shut the fuck up, it's perfect

so success

yet I fully doubt you'll even be able to back up your words...ever

just call it a hunch based on past events

[spankyfrank]

Well this wasn't productive at all.

[spankyfrank]

I just had a thought for a possible solution that might please both sides.

What if we were to just make the sale of assault weapons illegal in this country?

No guns will be confiscated if you already have them with legit permits.

You just won't be able to buy anymore guns that aren't Assault type guns.



Brainstorming is all I'm doing here.

[KnoxHarrington]

I just had a thought for a possible solution that might please both sides.

What if we were to just make the sale of assault weapons illegal in this country?

No guns will be confiscated if you already have them with legit permits.

You just won't be able to buy anymore guns that aren't Assault type guns.



Brainstorming is all I'm doing here.


The problem is that the gun control debate in this country is dominated by the NRA, who will not accept even the most basic, reasonable gun control legislation.

The NRA is far more doctrinare and unbending on 2nd Amendment rights than the ACLU is on 1st Amendment rights. The NRA would say that, yes, you do have the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre.

[spankyfrank]

The problem is that the gun control debate in this country is dominated by the NRA, who will not accept even the most basic, reasonable gun control legislation.

The NRA is far more doctrinare and unbending on 2nd Amendment rights than the ACLU is on 1st Amendment rights. The NRA would say that, yes, you do have the right to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre.

In my opinion, if that's how they are going to be then I really believe that guns will be taken away eventually regardless of how big or how small the NRA.

Their point right now is essentially that in order to keep our freedom children have to die needlessly every few years. At least that's how it looks to me right now.

Unfortunately the people who believe that less guns will lead to less shootings actually have a point if you are to look at the other countries.

[cougarjake13]

and when will the Gestapo be goin around door to door to take people's guns ?



I don't see how it would be physically possible to round up all those guns that are out there now if u make it illegal

do u really think people will voluntarily turn em in ? some may but most will not

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The only way legal gun owners will be disarmed universally will be if the 2nd amendment is repealed.

That probably will not happen

[deliciousV]

I just had a thought for a possible solution that might please both sides.

What if we were to just make the sale of assault weapons illegal in this country?

No guns will be confiscated if you already have them with legit permits.

You just won't be able to buy anymore guns that aren't Assault type guns.



Brainstorming is all I'm doing here.

from all I'm seeing and reading he only used the pistols, some reports say the M4 was left in the car. So even with the laws you're throwing out there, he still would have had access to the pistols.
Maybe the mom should have kept her guns locked up, she had to know her son was unstable.

[cougarjake13]

The only way legal gun owners will be disarmed universally will be if the 2nd amendment is repealed.

That probably will not happen

even still there will be many people who won't turn in all their guns

[Dan 'Hampton]

I just had a thought for a possible solution that might please both sides.

What if we were to just make the sale of assault weapons illegal in this country?

No guns will be confiscated if you already have them with legit permits.

You just won't be able to buy anymore guns that aren't Assault type guns.



Brainstorming is all I'm doing here.

Something like that will happen. But "assault rifle" is just a buzzword. It's an rifle that looks mean. It's great for these NRA larpers to imagine they are military.
And this coming from a multiple gun owner with a concealed carry permit.

[Dude!]

everyone is missing the elephant in the room...

what do all these recent incidents--Columbine,
Arizona, VA Tech, the mass-stabbing rampages (2)
in China, the Norway massacre,
the Sikh temple in Milwaukee, even 9/11
--have in common?

the were all done by "disaffected" young men.

Should changes to gun laws apply to men only?
Why not?--women don't abuse them.

It's idiotic to blame guns for what is
the real problem. Go ahead, ban them.
All that will do is to have these guys
start using knives (like in China), or
making Molitov Cocktails and homemade bombs.

I can give 20 possible things to look at
as to why young men are the problem:
-essential nature
-absent fathers
-video games, TV, and the Internet
that feed the violent nature
-being medicated instead of therapy
(and when the medication wears off,
watch out), or being "put away,"
-general cultural decline and decline
in church-going
-24-hour media assault
-many more things to consider
i have no idea which of these--if any--
contribute to this situation, and in what %

but i do know that it is a problem
with males, and how they are raised
and dealt with in this culture.

[deliciousV]

these guns were sold and registered to a woman. So that wouldn't have stopped this

[Dude!]

these guns were sold and registered to a woman. So that wouldn't have stopped this

um, yes...
i was implying the absurdity
of doing that

the real problem exists, with or without guns

[Syd]

People just need to face the facts that a few kids need to die from time to time to protect the gun industry's profits. If people can't man up and accept that, they need to go elsewhere.

[deliciousV]

um, yes...
i was implying the absurdity
of doing that

the real problem exists, with or without guns

well, don't I feel silly

[deliciousV]

People just need to face the facts that a few kids need to die from time to time to protect the gun industry's profits. If people can't man up and accept that, they need to go elsewhere.

yes, because when bad people do bad things we should all cry to daddy government to take more rights away from good people.

[spankyfrank]

Why are we so against even maybe trying it as an experiment?

I also hate that argument that they could have killed people with another weapon. The problem is it is always guns!

It's the easiest way to take out a bunch of people, every other method takes planning and there are more chances of people getting caught while setting it up.

[deliciousV]

Why are we so against even maybe trying it as an experiment?

I also hate that argument that they could have killed people with another weapon. The problem is it is always guns!

It's the easiest way to take out a bunch of people, every other method takes planning and there are more chances of people getting caught while setting it up.

how much planning does it take to turn the wheel and drive up onto the sidewalk?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People die from stabbings. Should we go after the profits of knife companies?

[spankyfrank]

how much planning does it take to turn the wheel and drive up onto the sidewalk?

Oh my god.

You can see and hear the car coming. You can't see a gun when a person doesn't want you to.

[spankyfrank]

and again IT'S ALWAYS GUNS!!!!

[spankyfrank]

We are talking about mass killings here. You don't get mass killings from stabbings or car manslaughter.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is it?


Again 168 people were killed with a mixture of fertilizer in OKC

[spankyfrank]

Is it?


Again 168 people were killed with a mixture of fertilizer in OKC

That took planning. and there is more chance of that person getting caught buying the ingredients for a bomb then a person who with a round of ammunition can sneak in with a gun.

[spankyfrank]

I don't think we can just accept impossibility anymore when these things are happening more and more frequently.

I'm not an idiot I know we can't take things away from people but dammit we can at least look at statistics and come up with a compromise.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That took planning. and there is more chance of that person getting caught buying the ingredients for a bomb then a person who with a round of ammunition can sneak in with a gun.



Agreed on the OKC killings but this incident wasn't probably a snap judgement. There is always almost some sort of planning or manifesto involved

[spankyfrank]

Agreed on the OKC killings but this incident wasn't probably a snap judgement. There is always almost some sort of planning or manifesto involved

Dude was 20. Who makes a sound decision when they are 20?

His manifesto is that something was denied him too many times by his mom and he decided to take his frustrations out on the world.

[deliciousV]

I don't think we can just accept impossibility anymore when these things are happening more and more frequently.

I'm not an idiot I know we can't take things away from people but dammit we can at least look at statistics and come up with a compromise.

I don't think you're an idiot, it's just a spirited debate.

and you don't have to agree with me, you can be wrong if you want to :tongue:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dude was 20. Who makes a sound decision when they are 20?

His manifesto is that something was denied him too many times by his mom and he decided to take his frustrations out on the world.



20 isn't a minor. There people who were 20 who saw major combat .


If someone has evil intentions and wants to inflict harm they will find any way possible

[spankyfrank]

I don't think you're an idiot, it's just a spirited debate.

and you don't have to agree with me, you can be wrong if you want to :tongue:

I know buddy. I was just sayin'.

Love you too. :wub:

[deliciousV]

Dude was 20. Who makes a sound decision when they are 20?

His manifesto is that something was denied him too many times by his mom and he decided to take his frustrations out on the world.

I'm thinking, and this is totally a guess, that maybe they were fighting about something and she decided it was time for his 20 year old ass to find somewhere else to live, he goes to bed and gets madder and madder, decides she cares more about the kids at school than him, gets up and shoots her, then goes after the kids.

[spankyfrank]

20 isn't a minor. There people who were 20 who saw major combat .


If someone has evil intentions and wants to inflict harm they will find any way possible

You may be the first person who has ever made the case that people in their 20's make sound decisions.

Not a knock at you, it's just I've never heard someone indicate otherwise.

[spankyfrank]

I'm thinking, and this is totally a guess, that maybe they were fighting about something and she decided it was time for his 20 year old ass to find somewhere else to live, he goes to bed and gets madder and madder, decides she cares more about the kids at school than him, gets up and shoots her, then goes after the kids.

I was actually just thinking that myself.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You may be the first person who has ever made the case that people in their 20's make sound decisions.

Not a knock at you, it's just I've never heard someone indicate otherwise.



None taken


I was a Marine at age 20 I had to make them all the time. Now I know people in their 20's do silly shit all the time but at the same time there's still areas of using good judgement.

[spankyfrank]

None taken


I was a Marine at age 20 I had to make them all the time. Now I know people in their 20's do silly shit all the time but at the same time there's still areas of using good judgement.

I would think these shootings air on the side of bad judgement.

[deliciousV]

I don't think this is about age, I think it's about crazy, dude was just fucking crazy.
I got my first gun when I was 12, it was a 4-10 shotgun, I went thru Jr High and Highschool like everyone else, there were times I felt left out, picked on, all that teen angst stuff. I got into a fight or 2, like boys will, and I got my ass kicked a few times. I got punished at home, had a belt used on me a few times. I always had access to the gun, I use to get up an hour before school and grab my gun and head out over our back fence to check my muskrat traps, alone, if I saw a rabbit or squirrel I'd shoot it, I was 12.
Never once did it enter my mind to take my gun to school and take care of any of the problems I was having, never did I think about shooting my dad for punishing me, because I wasn't crazy.
This fucker was crazy.

[spankyfrank]

I don't think this is about age, I think it's about crazy, dude was just fucking crazy.
I got my first gun when I was 12, it was a 4-10 shotgun, I went thru Jr High and Highschool like everyone else, there were times I felt left out, picked on, all that teen angst stuff. I got into a fight or 2, like boys will, and I got my ass kicked a few times. I got punished at home, had a belt used on me a few times. I always had access to the gun, I use to get up an hour before school and grab my gun and head out over our back fence to check my muskrat traps, alone, if I saw a rabbit or squirrel I'd shoot it, I was 12.
Never once did it enter my mind to take my gun to school and take care of any of the problems I was having, never did I think about shooting my dad for punishing me, because I wasn't crazy.
This fucker was crazy.

He was crazy but also are most kids nowadays. I think suicide is the largest killer of people in their teens aside from I think drunk driving. Obviously any person who commits suicide is not dealing with a full deck. When I was in high school oh about ten years ago alot of my friends were cutters.

[TripleSkeet]

the guy didn't have automatic weapons, they were semiautomatic, like most guns, one trigger pull one shot. And this nut coulda walked in with a can of gas and torched a class room full of kids, or waited until school let out and drove his mothers car thru them as they came out of school in mass.

Ok, see this gun?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-the-connecticut-shooter-used-a-bushmaster-rifle-like-the-dc-snipers-2012-12

Theres no reason any civilians should be allowed to own one. If you want to make the argument that you need to defend yourself and your home, fine. Make one style of gun. A handgun. That fires a certain caliber of bullet. No hand cannons. No machine guns. Nothing like this gun he had. If the only reason we need them is for defense, then it shouldnt matter what it is. Youre not defending your home from a herd of Rhinp are you?

[TripleSkeet]

Actually, I disagree with the "ever" part. I hope things never come to that, but if a government becomes oppresive and they are using automatics and the civilians have shotguns, well, it's obvious who wins.

For the record, I don't think this will happen in my lifetime or in many lifetimes after mine. But it's there for consideration.

I hate to break this to you, but if the government decides to become oppressive, all the automatic weapons in the world arent going to help you. Theyve got weapons now that are light years ahead from anything we as a peaople can get. If they decide to take on the people here, we have ZERO chance.

[deliciousV]

Ok, see this gun?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-the-connecticut-shooter-used-a-bushmaster-rifle-like-the-dc-snipers-2012-12

Theres no reason any civilians should be allowed to own one. If you want to make the argument that you need to defend yourself and your home, fine. Make one style of gun. A handgun. That fires a certain caliber of bullet. No hand cannons. No machine guns. Nothing like this gun he had. If the only reason we need them is for defense, then it shouldnt matter what it is. Youre not defending your home from a herd of Rhinp are you?

you do understand that it is no different in it's firepower abilities than any old timey looking, wood grain, single shot semi you can buy at walmart, right. It just looks more menacing and military like. And every report I've seen says he left it in the car and did all of it with handguns.

[TripleSkeet]

you do understand that it is no different in it's firepower abilities than any old timey looking, wood grain, single shot semi you can buy at walmart, right. It just looks more menacing and military like. And every report I've seen says he left it in the car and did all of it with handguns.

Does it hold more ammunition?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok, see this gun?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cnn-the-connecticut-shooter-used-a-bushmaster-rifle-like-the-dc-snipers-2012-12

Theres no reason any civilians should be allowed to own one. If you want to make the argument that you need to defend yourself and your home, fine. Make one style of gun. A handgun. That fires a certain caliber of bullet. No hand cannons. No machine guns. Nothing like this gun he had. If the only reason we need them is for defense, then it shouldnt matter what it is. Youre not defending your home from a herd of Rhinp are you?

I have an AR-15 for target shooting. The one for home security I hopefully never will have to use is a 12 gauge pump action.

In my opinion those are better than sidearms for home security because if you use a slug round you have a better shot (pun intended) of hitting the perp. Plus you may not have to use it because if he hears that clicking sound if he's smart he will get out of the house before you even have to put him down.

[TripleSkeet]

Look I understand people have the love for their guns. I do. Personally, I wouldnt care if they took every gun from every civilian in the country. Where I grew up most of the people that carried guns were pussies who couldnt defend themselves with their hands. I get that they make people feel safe, butif safety were the only concern, and I had my way, youd only be allowed to have the bare minimum for a gun. Smallest caliber, limited number of shots, time consuming to reload. Enough that it could kill someone and be a legitimate danger deterrant, but not enough to make anyone lethal to a crrowd of people.

Again, just my simple opinion. Wanna hunt? Use a shotgun or a crossbow.

[deliciousV]

Does it hold more ammunition?

both types have clips, both allow for different size clips, so yeah, pretty much

[TripleSkeet]

I have an AR-15 for target shooting. The one for home security I hopefully never will have to use is a 12 gauge pump action.

In my opinion those are better than sidearms for home security because if you use a slug round you have a better shot (pun intended) of hitting the perp. Plus you may not have to use it because if he hears that clicking sound if he's smart he will get out of the house before you even have to put him down.

I dont have a problem with shotguns because usually you got a few shots before having to reload.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I would think these shootings air on the side of bad judgement.

I think it was on the side of someone who had evil intentions.


Even at age 20 in the Marines when not in the field or training I used bad judgement to an extent like having too much to drink .

While deployed on a far east tour, there were many nights of hard drinking especially in the Philippines, Okinawa, Korea and other places but I always knew that I couldnt get to the point that I would not make it back to the base on time or do anything too crazy because there was the fear of a court martial possibility of a dishonrable discharge, losing a stripe, up to 60 days confinement and or extra duty, or being locked in some foreign prison.


Being in an infantry battalion, I was around M-16's 9mm pistols, Light and heavy machine guns and while we always didnt have our weapons. There was always a chance that someone could have gone insane and frag an officer or kill his squad leader , platoon sergeant or people in his squad.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Look I understand people have the love for their guns. I do. Personally, I wouldnt care if they took every gun from every civilian in the country. Where I grew up most of the people that carried guns were pussies who couldnt defend themselves with their hands. I get that they make people feel safe, butif safety were the only concern, and I had my way, youd only be allowed to have the bare minimum for a gun. Smallest caliber, limited number of shots, time consuming to reload. Enough that it could kill someone and be a legitimate danger deterrant, but not enough to make anyone lethal to a crrowd of people.

Again, just my simple opinion. Wanna hunt? Use a shotgun or a crossbow.

I guess it depends where you grew up. I'm from suburban NYC. I shot my 1st rifle when I was 13 but that was in boy scout Summer camp. Before going into the Marines those were the only times I would shoot. A lot of my cousins hunt but I never got into it.

I'll admit there was that level of excitement, the 1st time I shot an M-60 machine gun and other automatic weapons but it ended up being my job for 4 years.


There are vast regions of the country especially in the south and out west where firearms / hunting are somewhat of a tradition. Thats why In a constitutional/ 2nd amendment factor incorporation shouldnt be a one size fits all top down approach.

[TripleSkeet]

I guess it depends where you grew up. I'm from suburban NYC. I shot my 1st rifle when I was 13 but that was in boy scout Summer camp. Before going into the Marines those were the only times I would shoot. A lot of my cousins hunt but I never got into it.

I'll admit there was that level of excitement, the 1st time I shot an M-60 machine gun and other automatic weapons but it ended up being my job for 4 years.


There are vast regions of the country especially in the south and out west where firearms / hunting are somewhat of a tradition. Thats why In a constitutional/ 2nd amendment factor incorporation shouldnt be a one size fits all top down approach.

Its ok to do away with certain traditions. It used to be tradition for them to hang blacks from trees down there but they finally let up on that one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Its ok to do away with certain traditions. It used to be tradition for them to hang blacks from trees down there but they finally let up on that one.

What I'm saying is that gun laws for 1 region of the country shouldnt be uniformed throughout. The northeast has some of the most strict laws, I think due to the population factor


Now if NYC wants to outlaw guns, due to population density thats their right to do so, However it shouldn't be the case for somewhere in Wyoming. They should have the right under the 2nd amendment to have their own local / state laws.


I think a lot of people read the 2nd amendment and see that it reads that the right to keep and bear arms should not be infiringed and think that it's universal. It really means that the feds can't infringe. Now Governors/State legislatures do have that right .

Since many state constitutions are framed somewhat like the US constitution those powers of gun control might be labled to the county/municipal level varying by state.

[spoon]

That took planning. and there is more chance of that person getting caught buying the ingredients for a bomb then a person who with a round of ammunition can sneak in with a gun.

no no, there's a case of something else bad so this can't be and shouldn't be an issue

it's classic WF logic



e.g. That guy said something stupid and racist....wf replies "but the dems did once too"

so there's that normal piece of the fuckwadfool pie

[spoon]

People die from stabbings. Should we go after the profits of knife companies?

so wait, this insinuates it's about the profits of companies and at least someone once mentioned it here

so me any of this you fucking idiot

[spoon]

Agreed on the OKC killings but this incident wasn't probably a snap judgement. There is always almost some sort of planning or manifesto involved

no, there usually isn't a manifesto involved when someone shoots their mother/family and innocents around them

bombing sure, shootings not so much

[spoon]

I don't think you're an idiot, it's just a spirited debate.

and you don't have to agree with me, you can be wrong if you want to :tongue:

:lol:

[spoon]

20 isn't a minor. There people who were 20 who saw major combat .


If someone has evil intentions and wants to inflict harm they will find any way possible

your fucking grammar is hideous

dude at least is a gimmick, but he can form a fucking sentence, and knows the dif bt their, they're and their. i usually don't give a fuck on punctuation or caps in a post. and sure everyone types through it from time to time by accident or bc THEY'RE on THEIR phone, but you make constant fuck ups all over the place.

as for the "evil intentions" and silly talk from you, it's comical. it reminds me of the GOP going into Iraq with "evil doers" and "spreading freedom" bullshit talk

[spoon]

I'm thinking, and this is totally a guess, that maybe they were fighting about something and she decided it was time for his 20 year old ass to find somewhere else to live, he goes to bed and gets madder and madder, decides she cares more about the kids at school than him, gets up and shoots her, then goes after the kids.

scary thought, and makes zero sense to a logical person

yet it might not be far off for this guy

[spoon]

You may be the first person who has ever made the case that people in their 20's make sound decisions.

Not a knock at you, it's just I've never heard someone indicate otherwise.

i can't believe I'm going to back up his GENERAL point, but kids doing well in college working toward their degree and chosen field make great calls all the time. sure life teaches you more as you grow older, but there are PLENTY of 20 year old kids making great calls well before they get there.

[spoon]

I don't think this is about age, I think it's about crazy, dude was just fucking crazy.
I got my first gun when I was 12, it was a 4-10 shotgun, I went thru Jr High and Highschool like everyone else, there were times I felt left out, picked on, all that teen angst stuff. I got into a fight or 2, like boys will, and I got my ass kicked a few times. I got punished at home, had a belt used on me a few times. I always had access to the gun, I use to get up an hour before school and grab my gun and head out over our back fence to check my muskrat traps, alone, if I saw a rabbit or squirrel I'd shoot it, I was 12.
Never once did it enter my mind to take my gun to school and take care of any of the problems I was having, never did I think about shooting my dad for punishing me, because I wasn't crazy.
This fucker was crazy.

ding ding ding

[styckx]

The gun debate needs to be put aside till cooler heads prevail.. Everyone is in defensive mode right now.. I do think though it's finally time both sides sat down and talked about this like men instead of drawing lines in the sand and daring each other to cross it. I hate guns, but I don't think they are the main problem. I'm more concerned about why people are reaching for guns to do awful shit and why someone who is careless enough to have guns lying around in such an insecure manner a loon 20 year old could easily get a hold of them is allowed to own any in the first place.

I have my own theory why people, young people are diving off the deep end and running for shit and it's partly because of the "snowflake" era mentioned earlier and the medical industry allowed to become bigger drug dealers than the Mexican cartels and freely hand out narcs like tic tacs to any kid who makes a frowny face or acts up a little. I had personal experience with it this summer and ultimately told my Dr. to hit the bricks and called her a drug dealer.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We already have countless amounts of gun laws on the books. The problem isn't with the laws, It lies with enforcement.


If the 2nd amendment was repealed. It still would not stop gun violence. Mexico has some of the most draconian laws around. Yet they have mass murder like this on a consistent basis.

[Dude!]

I have my own theory why people, young people are diving off the deep end and running for shit and it's partly because of the "snowflake" era mentioned earlier and the medical industry allowed to become bigger drug dealers than the Mexican cartels and freely hand out narcs like tic tacs to any kid who makes a frowny face or acts up a little. I had personal experience with it this summer and ultimately told my Dr. to hit the bricks and called her a drug dealer.

good for you...
the # of kids (all boys) that they
put on ritalin and other garbage
to keep them from being boys
is sickening and appalling

[styckx]

good for you...
the # of kids (all boys) that they
put on ritalin and other garbage
to keep them from being boys
is sickening and appalling

Well I'm not a "boy".. I'm 35 and always suffered from depression and anxiety issues. I'm a product of the 90s grunge era. Being sad and depressed was glamorized as being `cool' back in those days.. That was our shtick. Anyway.. FFW to me being a nice clean responsible adult the depression and anxiety never went away but... I delt with it.. That's how I was raised.. Deal with your fucking shit because no one is going to deal with it for you..

So. Anyway. I quit smoking this summer and I fell into a depression hole from the withdraw symptoms and for whatever reason I decided to see a doctor finally. Throwing me on Zoloft was immediate and I got talked into it.. 3 months and I threw them in the trash.. I HATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD it.. Slept all the time, some days felt like I was tripping my face off, no real emotions, zombie like, not really having any desire to deal with anything. I told my doctor and she wanted to take me off Drug A. and put me on Drug B and see how that works out. Fucking drug dealers...

No.. I just went back to `dealing with it' and I'm much happier.. Lesson learned but the point of this `cool story bro' is that I can easily see how someone young, impressionable and without a strong will on these garbage narc's these doctors hand out could easily send someone into a state of `fuck it, I'm going postal'.

[Kevin]

I get people saying we have a right to protect themselves and their family.

But do they really need a gun that can shoot 15-20 rounds at a time?

And like multiple versions?

What possible situation can happen where you need all that ammo and that many guns?

We are never getting fucking invaded by other countries and the fucking government is never going to come in and try to take your land or perform a coop either.

And lets face it if they try, do you really think you can ever have enough fire power to stop it?

The lack of education in this country becoming more glaring.

Stupid people watch too many fucking movies, Fox News, and listen to profit driven NRA bullshit scare tactics.

It all goes back to uneducated people not being smart enough to know any better.

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[styckx]

I asked a UK friend of mine "What does the majority over there think about us when you see this shit"..

"We can't believe you gun loving nuts still depend on a paper drafted in 1791 to decide what's right for your country in 2012 and speak of your founding fathers the same way a pastor does about jesus christ. We also keep wondering why every time this happens all you do is fight about it for a week and forget about it."

Typical brit cynicism but a lot of truth in it also.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I asked a UK friend of mine "What does the majority over there think about us when you see this shit"..

"We can't believe you gun loving nuts still depend on a paper drafted in 1791 to decide what's right for your country in 2012 and speak of your founding fathers the same way a pastor does about jesus christ. We also keep wondering why every time this happens all you do is fight about it for a week and forget about it."

Typical brit cynicism but a lot of truth in it also.

I cant believe those people still bow to royalty.

I think it might be a bit of jealousy from those blokes across the pond since they aren't the big swinging dicks they once were.

[deliciousV]

I asked a UK friend of mine "What does the majority over there think about us when you see this shit"..

"We can't believe you gun loving nuts still depend on a paper drafted in 1791 to decide what's right for your country in 2012 and speak of your founding fathers the same way a pastor does about jesus christ. We also keep wondering why every time this happens all you do is fight about it for a week and forget about it."

Typical brit cynicism but a lot of truth in it also.

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[styckx]

I've never watched an entire episode of that show.

[deliciousV]

I've never watched an entire episode of that show.

I watch them any chance I get, it's a hoot. His sexism and racism are always balanced out and he ends up looking bad.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Archie Bunker's place was a horrible spinoff.

[deliciousV]

Archie Bunker's place was a horrible spinoff.

yep

[spoon]

I asked a UK friend of mine "What does the majority over there think about us when you see this shit"..

"We can't believe you gun loving nuts still depend on a paper drafted in 1791 to decide what's right for your country in 2012 and speak of your founding fathers the same way a pastor does about jesus christ. We also keep wondering why every time this happens all you do is fight about it for a week and forget about it."

Typical brit cynicism but a lot of truth in it also.

cynical but true


wf with the idiot's take once again

you're batting a thousand fuckwad!

[razorboy]

I watch them any chance I get, it's a hoot. His sexism and racism are always balanced out and he ends up looking bad.

When did WF get his own show?

[spoon]

When did WF get his own show?

:happy:

[Jujubees2]

It all goes back to uneducated people not being smart enough to know any better.

It starts with the mother of the shooter. She said he is "unstable" but didn't secure the guns so he had free access to them.

[spoon]

those who can

[styckx]

FYI.. This is the time you have to watch what shit tries to get passed into law.

You have a nation slobbering the cock of the Government to do something about all these shootings and all sorts of dumb shit will get thrown a the wall to see if it sticks.. It's exactly how the Patriot act got passed. TERRORISTS!!! PROTECT US!! GOVERNMENT PLZ!!!! PATRIOT ACT??? SOUNDS... PATRIOTIC AND TERRORISTS HATE PATRIOTISM!!! OK.. PASS IT!! WE APPROVE!!

5 years later those same faggots are calling our Government evil for spying on us..

[spoon]

FYI.. This is the time you have to watch what shit tries to get passed into law.

You have a nation slobbering the cock of the Government to do something about all these shootings and all sorts of dumb shit will get thrown a the wall to see if it sticks.. It's exactly how the Patriot act got passed. TERRORISTS!!! PROTECT US!! GOVERNMENT PLZ!!!! PATRIOT ACT??? SOUNDS... PATRIOTIC AND TERRORISTS HATE PATRIOTISM!!! OK.. PASS IT!! WE APPROVE!!

5 years later those same faggots are calling our Government evil for spying on us..

fully agree

i say ban tacos bc they aren't legally here

[styckx]

fully agree

i say ban tacos bc they aren't legally here

Fully agree. Tacos have to go.. They are a gateway food.

Oh yeah btw: http://www.newser.com/story/159379/oklahoma-student-nabbed-in-school-shooting-plot.html

Authorities say 18-year-old Sammie Chavez tried to recruit students at Bartlesville High School's cafeteria this week for the massive gun-and-bomb plot, the Tulsa World reports. Chavez wanted "to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut," police wrote in a court affidavit.

I give it 2 weeks tops.. A copy cat will do this again.. End of the world bullshit, christmas.. Yeah.. A lot of unstable messes are dying for attention right now.

[deliciousV]

I remember the good old days when these dumb fucks would just blow their own brains out in moms basement, Now they want to break the last guys kill total and check out knowing they'll be famous for a few days.

[keithy_19]

I remember the good old days when these dumb fucks would just blow their own brains out in moms basement, Now they want to break the last guys kill total and check out knowing they'll be famous for a few days.

I guess I went through the stages of grief. I was overcome with sadness over what transpired in Newport. And then I was angry. And I had nowhere to direct that anger cause that fucking cowar piece of shit evil person took his life. And now, I'm left with sorrow and anger that I have nowhere to put.

[styckx]

Nice choice of words..

http://i.imgur.com/xgZBZ.jpg

[Jujubees2]

Here's Shirley Phelps-Roper

Westboro Baptist Church Announces Plans To Demonstrate At Sandy Hook Elementary School (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/16/westboro-baptist-church/)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bomb threat evacuates church



http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-church-near-shooting-evacuated-bomb-threat-180742511.html

[spoon]

Here's Shirley Phelps-Roper

Westboro Baptist Church Announces Plans To Demonstrate At Sandy Hook Elementary School (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/12/16/westboro-baptist-church/)

if only this idiot kid chose to go apeshit in THAT church he'd be a cult hero of sorts with his suicide mission, not some fucking monster he is now

why people need to target innocents versus at least checking down and taking out some fucking trash on the way out is beyond me. sure putting one in your own head is an easy way out, but why not just shoot your way through westboro like red state and be an asshole hero?

just saying

[brettmojo]

if only this idiot kid chose to go apeshit in THAT church he'd be a cult hero of sorts with his suicide mission, not some fucking monster he is now

why people need to target innocents versus at least checking down and taking out some fucking trash on the way out is beyond me. sure putting one in your own head is an easy way out, but why not just shoot your way through westboro like red state and be an asshole hero?

just saying

I'll arm anyone with inoperable cancer... Just for this. Myself included knock on wood.

[spoon]

I'll arm anyone with inoperable cancer... Just for this. Myself included knock on wood.

I just see images of signs flying everywhere with shotgun spray going through them and the soundtrack done by Tarantino. For some reason I see Red State mixed with From Dusk to Dawn bc I refuse to think those people are actually human.

http://www.starsandpopcorn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/from-dusk-till-dawn-original.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I see there is class all around.

Via Twitter


sam tarling@sammyswordfish
All NRA members should be shot!!!! I thank you, that's one of my own !!


Bitter Old St. Nick@90sRememberer
Murder every NRA member


Very frustrated Pete@Arseburgers
Solution: Get every member of the NRA to stand in a circle, aim & shoot! Sorted

John Cobarruvias@BayAreaHouston
Can we now shoot the #NRA and everyone who defends them? #PrayForNewton

[cougarjake13]

so they want the very thing they despise to happen on a much larger level

[styckx]

Silly white people

[spoon]

I see there is class all around.

Via Twitter


sam tarling@sammyswordfish
All NRA members should be shot!!!! I thank you, that's one of my own !!


Bitter Old St. Nick@90sRememberer
Murder every NRA member


Very frustrated Pete@Arseburgers
Solution: Get every member of the NRA to stand in a circle, aim & shoot! Sorted

John Cobarruvias@BayAreaHouston
Can we now shoot the #NRA and everyone who defends them? #PrayForNewton



what next, comments from youtube videos?

oof

[booster11373]

what next, comments from youtube videos?

oof

People like WFools job is to muddy the waters so that nothing is ever done.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

People like WFools job is to muddy the waters so that nothing is ever done.

I guess you lack any logic or maybe its an alias.


Please allow me to explain. People who are against guns want responsible gun owners shot

Say nothing about some sick bastards posting bitch tweets, but accuse me of gridlock?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Justifying your argument based on twitter posts is the sign of a bad point.

[NickyL0885]

I agree with Joe Scarborough most times, but blaming video games and violent movies? Really? I play Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto, etc. and I am fine, as are millions of others. As far as movies, I am sure he loves all the mafia type movies he has seen. I understand we are looking for a reason why this nutcase did this, but stop blaming it on BS like games and movies.

Lets be fair, as far as video games go, you need to be 18 to buy the violent ones. That's what the game ratings are for. But most stores don't enforce that law, and even if they do, a lot of parents will buy their kid's the game anyway b/c they just want to shut them up so they can "think for a second".

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Justifying your argument based on twitter posts is the sign of a bad point.

The WBC was called out and rightfully so. Why not expose people who use twitter that are for gun control and show their stupidity?

[jafter]

Guns clearly aren't a problem.

It is not the guns it is the idiot who pulls the trigger. A gun could sit in a closet or on a table for a 100 years and never hurt anyone. Put it in a disturbed persons hand and then there is the trouble.

The news needs to stop glorifying these idiots showing it non stop for days they get off on the publicity. I wish these idiots would just go in their room and shoot themselves in the head and call it a day.

[A.J.]

I didn't back read so forgive me if this was addressed previously but fuck this shooter's mother for having such an arsenal in a house WITH A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

And I don't want to hear this bullshit debate about gun control because let's talk about what nobody wants to talk about -- the mentally ill. Let's readdress shall we? This punk? Mentally ill. The guy who shot Gabby Giffords and the other people? Mentally ill. The guy who shot the people in the movie theater? Mentally ill. VA Tech shooter? Mentally ill.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

god didnt protect the WBC site


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/25/anonymous-westboro-baptist-church_n_828068.html

[cougarjake13]

The WBC was called out and rightfully so. Why not expose people who use twitter that are for gun control and show their stupidity?



what does the world baseball classic have to do with this?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what does the world baseball classic have to do with this?

World Boxing Council

[cougarjake13]

World Boxing Council



them too

[Furtherman]

I didn't back read so forgive me if this was addressed previously but fuck this shooter's mother for having such an arsenal in a house WITH A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

And I don't want to hear this bullshit debate about gun control because let's talk about what nobody wants to talk about -- the mentally ill. Let's readdress shall we? This punk? Mentally ill. The guy who shot Gabby Giffords and the other people? Mentally ill. The guy who shot the people in the movie theater? Mentally ill. VA Tech shooter? Mentally ill.

Nancy Lanza to Sitter: Don't Turn Your Back (http://www.newser.com/story/159421/nancy-lanza-to-sitter-dont-turn-your-back.html)

[A.J.]

Thank you. Fuck her.

[Dude!]

I didn't back read so forgive me if this was addressed previously but fuck this shooter's mother for having such an arsenal in a house WITH A MENTALLY ILL PERSON.

And I don't want to hear this bullshit debate about gun control because let's talk about what nobody wants to talk about -- the mentally ill. Let's readdress shall we? This punk? Mentally ill. The guy who shot Gabby Giffords and the other people? Mentally ill. The guy who shot the people in the movie theater? Mentally ill. VA Tech shooter? Mentally ill.

finally, someone with some sense speaks...

after EVERY incident we hear:

He was a ticking time bomb.
I am not surprised to hear XXX did this.
Everybody knew there was something wrong with him.
He was a disaster waiting to happen.

there are always MULTIPLE warnings

the other thing we always find out:
they were, or had been, on psychotropic drugs
these things are a HUGE problem
caused by the drug companies and doctors

lock up the guns, but also
lock up these mental cases
before things happen
in old-fashioned nut houses

[A.J.]

I found it ironic that yesterday one of the most violent sports (football) paid tribute to the victims of violence.

This country has a bloodlust: football, MMA, video games. It also does nothing to deal with the mentally ill except prescribe ineffective drugs. Yet nobody wants to talk about that. It's just easy to blame guns.

[A.J.]

This is one of the saddest things I've read:

Substitute teacher Lauren Rousseau’s classroom was the second one the gunman approached, according to the Hartford Courant. There were 14 children inside, according to the Courant, citing investigators. "There were 14 coats hanging there and 14 bodies. He killed them all," said a law enforcement officer involved in the case.

How as a first responder do you deal with seeing that? I couldn't begin to imagine.

[epo]

We have too many guns AND too many crazy people.

And we don't seem to be in a hurry to address either, which is a fucking shame.

[hanso]

Ron said the mom was a prepper hording guns. Almost 1/4 of all people think the world will end in their lifetime.

[foodcourtdruide]

I see there is class all around.

Via Twitter


sam tarling@sammyswordfish
All NRA members should be shot!!!! I thank you, that's one of my own !!


Bitter Old St. Nick@90sRememberer
Murder every NRA member


Very frustrated Pete@Arseburgers
Solution: Get every member of the NRA to stand in a circle, aim & shoot! Sorted

John Cobarruvias@BayAreaHouston
Can we now shoot the #NRA and everyone who defends them? #PrayForNewton

So, to prove the other side doesn't have "class", you're using random posts on twitter? Lol, what is the point of this post?

[hanso]

So, to prove the other side doesn't have "class", you're using random posts on twitter? Lol, what is the point of this post?

The ones with class may have stopped with Myspace.

[foodcourtdruide]

I guess you lack any logic or maybe its an alias.


Please allow me to explain. People who are against guns want responsible gun owners shot

Say nothing about some sick bastards posting bitch tweets, but accuse me of gridlock?

WF, do you live in a box? You can find sick bastards tweeting about literally anything. Using a few random posts on twitter as evidence that "people who are against guns want responsible gun owners shot" is completely retarded and a waste of time. Seriously man, you are just being an obstructionist.