mass shooting 100 day challenge

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sure theres responsible gun owners. When I talk about stupid / irresponsible people, I talk about society as a whole. Most of them are morons. Doesnt mean there arent millions that are trustworthy and responsible. I just look at how many times you read about some kid finding his dads gun and either killing himself or worse a friend that happened to be there. I couldnt imagine having to be the father of a kid that got killed because his friend was showing off his dads gun. All I know is hes gonna need more than that gun to save his own life if that were to happen.

Shit, I remember Joe Vento was a huge proponent of the NRA and carrying guns. He would carry a gun on his apron as he made cheesesteaks at Genos. When I started working there the fucking guy shot himself in the hand by accident while supposedly trying to clean it.

People like that are irresponsible gun owners and should not own them. If a father wants to teach his son to hunt it should be more than just finding the right tree stand and teaching him how to fire . It should include safety measures and locking them up.


As far as cleaning a weapon, anyone who shoots himself probably shouldn't own one either. It takes seconds to make sure the weapon is clear and on safe

[deliciousV]

WP/Klein look, but again I fully admit both sides will twist shit as much as possible. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/)

but just an example that you somehow can't find any of DelV, which has to be complete bullshit.

I have posted things I found that were actually contrary to my own thinking, I never saw what you have linked here, if you want to call me a liar, well that's a whole different discussion isn' it. This is from Dec 19

according to this, we're all wrong! Damn I hate when that happens.

http://chronicle.com/blogs/conversation/2012/12/18/top-10-myths-about-mass-shootings/

Again, I don't have the answer but will get on some like Delv who act as if they know exactly what isn't bc it doesn't line up with their life/take.

wrong, I have repeatedly stated that I have no idea what is best for your part of the country, I base my opinions on where I live, and I have said so. I don't know what is or isn't the answer for every state or community, my opinions are based on what I think are best for mine.

[spoon]

I have posted things I found that were actually contrary to my own thinking, I never saw what you have linked here, if you want to call me a liar, well that's a whole different discussion isn' it. This is from Dec 19





wrong, I have repeatedly stated that I have no idea what is best for your part of the country, I base my opinions on where I live, and I have said so. I don't know what is or isn't the answer for every state or community, my opinions are based on what I think are best for mine.

then we mostly agree DelV, something I have stated many many times

I just think we need overall starting points as a country for rules, checks, limits and some more for the country as a whole and then from there having differences throughout. If I read you correctly you want it to start more at a local level and I do disagree there. It can end there but the country needs a baseline to even comprehend and track any effectiveness or lack there of.

I'm not calling you a liar either, yet it is completely perplexing if you were not able to find stats to back up both sides of this argument all over the internet with a simple search.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Watch out its Barack and hes armed and dangerous
I hope he doesn't shoot like he bowls

http://www.mediaite.com/online/shotgun-vetting-president-obama-reveals-we-do-skeet-shooting-all-the-time-at-camp-david/

[spoon]

so your point?

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He sucks at bowling. He admitted it when he was on Leno a few years ago

[TripleSkeet]

this doesn't make them all potential murderers, they already have access to countless tools of murder and mayhem, yet the vast majority don't kill.

I never understood this argument. Every other tool you speak of, knives, hammers, chainsaws etc. have a purpose. A guns purpose is to kill. Regardless of its its to protect yourself or your home or to keep others safe, the way the gun does this is to kill someone.

The purpose of a chainsaw is to cut trees. Can you kill someone with it? Sure, but thats not why they are made. Not to mention, you cant kill as many people as easily with any of these tools as you can with a gun. The whole "well why dont we ban hammers" argument doesnt hold water and to honest when I hear people compare the two I think to myself "This is the kind of moron that gets to carry a fucking firearm." and shake my head.

[deliciousV]

And as for gun free zones, I believe a few places should be gun free. I think court houses should remain gun free for obvious reasons, I think bars, pubs, clubs should be gun free, as for schools, as I've said before, I think adopting the air marshall idea would be effective, I think you could have just a couple of properly trained people in a school secretly have guns, perhaps staff with previous military training, a lot of teachers have used the military as a way to pay for their education, I am not for allowing everybody with a carry license to have a gun in a school. I think schools and court houses are the anomolies in the mass shooting spectrum, I think shooters choose these places for personal reasons, most of the time they are students at a school, or somebody who feels they were wronged by a court. And as for bars, well drunks get into fights all the time, no need for guns there.
But malls and movie theaters are places where a nut job can find lots of people he can expect to be unarmed, so I think these are different, there is evidence to support the idea that the Batman shooter chose a theater that was gun free over some closer to him that were not. But these decisions should be made state by state and community by community, not by Washington.

[Dell]

And as for gun free zones, I believe a few places should be gun free. I think court houses should remain gun free for obvious reasons, I think bars, pubs, clubs should be gun free, as for schools, as I've said before, I think adopting the air marshall idea would be effective, I think you could have just a couple of properly trained people in a school secretly have guns, perhaps staff with previous military training, a lot of teachers have used the military as a way to pay for their education, I am not for allowing everybody with a carry license to have a gun in a school. I think schools and court houses are the anomolies in the mass shooting spectrum, I think shooters choose these places for personal reasons, most of the time they are students at a school, or somebody who feels they were wronged by a court. And as for bars, well drunks get into fights all the time, no need for guns there.
But malls and movie theaters are places where a nut job can find lots of people he can expect to be unarmed, so I think these are different, there is evidence to support the idea that the Batman shooter chose a theater that was gun free over some closer to him that were not. But these decisions should be made state by state and community by community, not by Washington.

I've swayed back and forth on the weapon-free zones, but I think it needs to be studied as to whether or not it plays a factor (pro and con)...while I know these people tend to have a connection with the establishment, I wonder if it were not guaranteed gun-free if they would perform the atrocity

I also think it should be explored as to how it applies to public property, only...I don't want the government imposing any more regulations on a person's private property (like the theater owner)...it should remain his choice to whether he will allow weapons and everyone's choice as to whether to patronize the establishment

[deliciousV]

This seems fair

http://www.ibtimes.com/government-officials-can-still-own-assault-weapons-under-feinstein-bill-1039506

[spoon]

This seems fair

http://www.ibtimes.com/government-officials-can-still-own-assault-weapons-under-feinstein-bill-1039506

Some tea-party affiliated conservatives have alleged the Obama administration is attempting to strip citizens of their weapons in a move that has constantly been compared to Adolf Hitler’s Nazi takeover of Germany. Pro-gun extremists, such as NRA board member Ted Nugent, have recently stated that any additional gun laws are the first step toward all-out confiscation, an event the conservative blogosphere argues could potentially lead to the rise of a totalitarian state. The exemption of government officials and law enforcement from the Feinstein bill may encourage that line of thinking.

Nugent, for his part, recently told the conservative World Net Daily that gun owners should model their resistance on the 1960s civil rights movement.

“There will come a time when the gun owners of America, the law-abiding gun owners of America, will be the Rosa Parks, and we will sit down on the front seat of the bus, case closed,” Nugent said, comparing gun owners to the civil rights hero.

sigh

and cops and gov officials like ATF, SS and DEA...makes plenty sense to me yes. i don't think it needs to be so comprehensive a ban and surely some inclusions are just what epo said before, the starting point bc they know it'll get chopped down considerably. yet again, that's the problem and heats up the bases of each side when overreaching policy is the start in any direction. yet this surely doesn't mean it gives feinstein carte blanche weapons access and not the average citizen as it's being played up seemingly here and in that story.

Also the Nazi comps in both directions simply need to fucking stop. That and Nuggent's tie in are incredibly stupid and fear mongering at best.

[deliciousV]

sigh

and cops and gov officials like ATF, SS and DEA...makes plenty sense to me yes. i don't think it needs to be so comprehensive a ban and surely some inclusions are just what epo said before, the starting point bc they know it'll get chopped down considerably. yet again, that's the problem and heats up the bases of each side when overreaching policy is the start in any direction. yet this surely doesn't mean it gives feinstein carte blanche weapons access and not the average citizen as it's being played up seemingly here and in that story.

Also the Nazi comps in both directions simply need to fucking stop. That and Nuggent's tie in are incredibly stupid and fear mongering at best.

I have no problem with cops, dea, and all being exempt. I do have a problem if individual members of congress are exempt. They left themselves out of Obama care and if they left themselves out of this they are quickly establishing a ruling class and the rest of us are peasants.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Di Fi continues to act like a know nothing and shows any lack of rational analysis. She droned on about the NRA having a safety program for kids aged 8-15 and nagging that they are too powerful.


I am someone who supports a womans right to have an abortion, but, doesn't the Senator know that Abortion is a huge industry and has outside influences like NARAL, NOW and Planned parenthood? NARAL gives grades like the NRA does to politicians.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have no problem with cops, dea, and all being exempt. I do have a problem if individual members of congress are exempt. They left themselves out of Obama care and if they left themselves out of this they are quickly establishing a ruling class and the rest of us are peasants.



They need these federal agents to conduct more of Ruby Ridge's and Waco's


Who know's this could always happen again.


http://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/internment-camps-13.jpg

[spoon]

Di Fi continues to act like a know nothing and shows any lack of rational analysis. She droned on about the NRA having a safety program for kids aged 8-15 and nagging that they are too powerful.


I am someone who supports a womans right to have an abortion, but, doesn't the Senator know that Abortion is a huge industry and has outside influences like NARAL, NOW and Planned parenthood? NARAL gives grades like the NRA does to politicians.

di fi, really? did she teach TomKat's kid that saftey program

for fuck's sake

[spoon]

They need these federal agents to conduct more of Ruby Ridge's and Waco's


Who know's this could always happen again.


http://publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/internment-camps-13.jpg

for the love of God you are a fucking one trick pony digging 70 years into the past to fear monger as per the norm

and for the record all is good now for years after Reagan went on his WEAK apology tour...am I right WF?!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was Hero to the Democrats FDR who signed that executive order. amirite?



Who's fear mongering? Think it can't happen again? You're so gullible

PS


Waco was only 20 years ago. Short memory?

[spoon]

It was Hero to the Democrats FDR who signed that executive order. amirite?



Who's fear mongering? Think it can't happen again? You're so gullible

PS


Waco was only 20 years ago. Short memory?

Oh yah, forgot that thing not mentioned or questioned here at all you fear mongering fuck

And yah, Waco doesn't have any debatable factors and is just some CLEAR cut rundown of government abuse...want to know why people? bc it fits the mold of when WF hates government and blames it for everything...a Dem was in office.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh yah, forgot that thing not mentioned or questioned here at all you fear mongering fuck

And yah, Waco doesn't have any debatable factors and is just some CLEAR cut rundown of government abuse...want to know why people? bc it fits the mold of when WF hates government and blames it for everything...a Dem was in office.


Wow more kooky theories that I'm an anarchist ?


Fear mongering is what your political masters practice every day

[spoon]

political masters?!

Oh my, i a scared...:wallbash:

and yah, clearly I said you're an anarchist...wow

[WRESTLINGFAN]

political masters?!

Oh my, i a scared...:wallbash:

and yah, clearly I said you're an anarchist...wow

You said I hate govt

Anarchists don't want one.


I want govt , however not a top down 1 size fits all approach

[spoon]

You said I hate govt

Anarchists don't want one.


I want govt , however not a top down 1 size fits all approach

I said you hate gov and plays the blame game when a dem is in office.

Top down 1 size fits all approach!? HA!

That's fucking hilarious.

You just mentioned elsewhere NY Times wasn't/won't be bailed out but GM was....that's one size fits all?!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Focus

Like I never criticize the GOP ?

My my, what a short memory you have

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you think Obama would tell the times to fuck off if they needed a taxpayer funded bailout?

[spoon]

Focus

Like I never criticize the GOP ?

My my, what a short memory you have

99.9% Dem crit....with a sprinkle of 0.01% GOP rant on guys on the outs and already fucked in public life JUST so you can try to convey the above

sorry, no

and here we go with WF using the words used to rip him back all fucking day long

Focus, comprehend, concentrate. You fucking parrot EVERYTHING, try to attempt repeating common sense just once.

[spoon]

Do you think Obama would tell the times to fuck off if they needed a taxpayer funded bailout?

my my, focus

what do you think asshat?


:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maureen Dowd and Token conservative David brooks would fight each other over who would give Obama a hummer

Of course they would be bailed out

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like our gaffe prone VP did it again.

Last week he said that he was playing golf a qtr mile away when there was the school shooting in Amish country.


Saint Plugs of Delaware said


"As I got back to the clubhouse of this outing and saw helicopters, it was a shooting that had just taken place in a small Amish … school just outside of Lancaster ... . So it's not just big cities or well-to-do suburbs. It can happen anywhere."



The nearest course was 6 miles away and there was no record of him playing golf that day.


Obama stepped in it also when he says that he always does skeet shooting.


He's been to Camp David only a few times.

[spoon]

Got them!

[Bob Impact]

I laughed at Saint Plugs of Delaware.

[Dell]

I laughed at Saint Plugs of Delaware.

I think you mean...Saint "individual follicles placed artistically in the direction in which the hair grows" of Delaware

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Biden is a multi millionaire. He can't get a hair transplant?

[epo]

Biden is a multi millionaire. He can't get a hair transplant?

You might want to check that. Biden is actually quite poor by DC elected standards. Looks like he never whored out and is quite squeaky clean fiscally.

[Dude!]

Bernie Madoff was squeaky clean...
until he got caught

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You might want to check that. Biden is actually quite poor by DC elected standards. Looks like he never whored out and is quite squeaky clean fiscally.



His wife isn't cleaning toilets. She has a PhD.


The Bidens aren't exactly begging for their next meal. Biden has been on the public dole most of his adult life. He could afford a decent hair transplant

[Dell]

according whitehouse.gov, Biden's net worth was not above $1M (or close to it)...I was only making a joke as to how Anthony Cumia responds to the "hair plug" characterization...

edit: I can also guarantee you that PhD does not equal being rich...neither does being a civil servant

[epo]

His wife isn't cleaning toilets. She has a PhD.


The Bidens aren't exactly begging for their next meal. Biden has been on the public dole most of his adult life. He could afford a decent hair transplant

I'm sorry, I'm not the one mistakenly claiming the VP is a multi-millionaire.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm sorry, I'm not the one mistakenly claiming the VP is a multi-millionaire.



I stand corrected. He's worth about 500K

1. Nothing about him lying about where he was during the Amish school shooting?

2. He can't afford a better hair job with his salary?

[Bob Impact]

I stand corrected. He's worth about 500K

1. Nothing about him lying about where he was during the Amish school shooting?

2. He can't afford a better hair job with his salary?

You are such an extraordinarily odd person.

[Snoogans]

multi millionaire. 500K, pfft, same shit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are such an extraordinarily odd person.


Look at your VPs behavior, lies, plagiarism , and gaffes.


That's odd

[WRESTLINGFAN]

multi millionaire. 500K, pfft, same shit



If he doesn't run in 2016, Watch those dollar signs fly. Books , Speaking fees.


As far as his boss. He's worth 10 million. After he's out, he might be a billionaire

[Dell]

Look at your VPs behavior, lies, plagiarism , and gaffes.


That's odd

assumed they were three prerequisites for a politician...:wink:

[Dell]

If he doesn't run in 2016, Watch those dollar signs fly. Books , Speaking fees.


As far as his boss. He's worth 10 million. After he's out, he might be a billionaire

I really hope success has not become bad thing...is that your point?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I really hope success has not become bad thing...is that your point?



If some college wants to piss away 6 figures for speaking fees more power to them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Enough of hair plugs and net worth and back to the topic.

Looks like there was some doctoring of videotape in regards to a hearing on gun violence

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-falsely-claims-father-of-slain-newtown-victim-heckled-at-testimony


Speaking of fake editing. I hope Zimmerman sues the shit out of NBC news

[PapaBear]

Speaking of fake editing. I hope Zimmerman sues the shit out of NBC news
Welcome to two months ago... (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/07/166727771/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-says-hes-a-victim-of-yellow-journalism)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Welcome to two months ago... (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/12/07/166727771/george-zimmerman-sues-nbc-says-hes-a-victim-of-yellow-journalism)



I was not aware of that.


Good for him. Hope they are found liable

[spoon]

I think you mean...Saint "individual follicles placed artistically in the direction in which the hair grows" of Delaware

that's too original for WF, he stole pretty much every joke/meme and rip on Obama to Pelosi he ever regurgitated here

[spoon]

Bernie Madoff was squeaky clean...
until he got caught

you sure about that fucko?

bc I'm quite sure people were on to him for YEARS and he had many iffy dealings all over the fucking place

and nice reach too

what next?

yah sure Biden looks clean, but so was Rock Hudson/Hitler before the Aids Nazi blood.

[spoon]

His wife isn't cleaning toilets. She has a PhD.


The Bidens aren't exactly begging for their next meal. Biden has been on the public dole most of his adult life. He could afford a decent hair transplant

So PhD=$$$

sorry, most people with PhDs I know do ok but are usually more into their trade and not exceptionally well off to say the least (teachers/professors/social workers/pychologists).

Interesting article. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/higher-education-network/blog/2012/may/03/phd-doctorate-higher-education-love-money)

[spoon]

I stand corrected. He's worth about 500K

1. Nothing about him lying about where he was during the Amish school shooting?

2. He can't afford a better hair job with his salary?

perfect

just perfect bullshit bob and weave tied to bullshit and something not even being fucking DISCUSSED now

perhaps that's why epo didn't say anything about it being wrong, bc he a) doesn't give a fuck on that bs or b) he didn't immediately know if it's right or wrong, based on your "6 mile" rule my guess is it's fucking semantics too and he was in fact golfing in the area. as clubhouses are not the only area a fucking golf course is as if the 6 mile radius thing fucking matters...or the story for that mattter

[spoon]

Look at your VPs behavior, lies, plagiarism , and gaffes.


That's odd

yep, thanks for backing it up wf

he nailed it

[epo]

The answer is "a".

[spoon]

Look at your VPs behavior, lies, plagiarism , and gaffes.


That's odd

actually, despite the level of bullshit in this assertion, these things are FAR from odd, sadly the norm in fact

and to me, Biden's normal guy, rough around the edges thing is endearing in many ways. his gaffes are hilarious, but he sure does believe in his stances and in this day it's odd and to be commended. I like Biden...there I said it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

perfect

just perfect bullshit bob and weave tied to bullshit and something not even being fucking DISCUSSED now

perhaps that's why epo didn't say anything about it being wrong, bc he a) doesn't give a fuck on that bs or b) he didn't immediately know if it's right or wrong, based on your "6 mile" rule my guess is it's fucking semantics too and he was in fact golfing in the area. as clubhouses are not the only area a fucking golf course is as if the 6 mile radius thing fucking matters...or the story for that mattter


Biden tried to insert himself into a tragedy and got caught lying . Furthermore there was no record of him at the golf course that day.


Not surprising though since he lied about his law school ranking and he has a history of plagiarism

[spoon]

If he doesn't run in 2016, Watch those dollar signs fly. Books , Speaking fees.


As far as his boss. He's worth 10 million. After he's out, he might be a billionaire

what prez/vp wouldn't have speaking opps and chances to make some money after

so what?

what's your point?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

actually, despite the level of bullshit in this assertion, these things are FAR from odd, sadly the norm in fact

and to me, Biden's normal guy, rough around the edges thing is endearing in many ways. his gaffes are hilarious, but he sure does believe in his stances and in this day it's odd and to be commended. I like Biden...there I said it.


Ok fine you like him.


Normal people don't continue to make asses of themselves on national TV

He's not a normal guy. Normal people don't have

[spoon]

I really hope success has not become bad thing...is that your point?

always tough to know where WF is going on his tangents...just know he's trying to make it bad here and it's anti-Obama/Biden for sure

[spoon]

Enough of hair plugs and net worth and back to the topic.

Looks like there was some doctoring of videotape in regards to a hearing on gun violence

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-falsely-claims-father-of-slain-newtown-victim-heckled-at-testimony


Speaking of fake editing. I hope Zimmerman sues the shit out of NBC news

bc you got fucking roasted on it

next

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what prez/vp wouldn't have speaking opps and chances to make some money after

so what?

what's your point?

I'm not opposed to them. I was stating that both men will become extremely wealthy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

bc you got fucking roasted on it

next



Crash and burn , usually spoon lack of analysis

[spoon]

The answer is "a".

figured...same here

on the level of Obama taking a vacation

[spoon]

Ok fine you like him.


Normal people don't continue to make asses of themselves on national TV

He's not a normal guy. Normal people don't have

yes, nobody has

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Roasted is Biden making those claims and then being called out for lying

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, nobody has



Normal people don't have a history of gaffes lying and plagiarism

[spoon]

I'm not opposed to them. I was stating that both men will become extremely wealthy.

thanks for that amazing prediction

you're the next stock market tycoon!

any other amazing predictions?

what next?

dogs bark


(here comes Obama eating dog joke....point purposely hidden) <--Notice no edit!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Jays will end up in 4th place

[spoon]

Crash and burn , usually spoon lack of analysis

yes, all I saw was your bullshit being trampled

again

call the medics


and nice overuse of the analysis steal...I'd like to see some more "comprehension" takeaways and perhaps some "focus" rip offs

you can do it WF, stealing and as you say with Biden, plagiarism is one of your strengths

[spoon]

Roasted is Biden making those claims and then being called out for lying

oh yes sure, that's what I commented on too

perfecto!

[PapaBear]

Normal people don't have a history of gaffes lying and plagiarism
I don't know if plagiarism is specifically addressed in any of these links, but as for lying... (https://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+people+who+lie&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes, all I saw was your bullshit being trampled

again

call the medics


and nice overuse of the analysis steal...I'd like to see some more "comprehension" takeaways and perhaps some "focus" rip offs

you can do it WF, stealing and as you say with Biden, plagiarism is one of your strengths


Biden tried to use those factors to run for president and he was caught. He tried to insert himself into a tragedy to push for gun control and got caught


Fuck Him and his agenda

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't know if plagiarism is specifically addressed in any of these links, but as for lying... (https://www.google.com/search?q=percentage+of+people+who+lie&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)



If you're gonna lie, the least you can do is be good at it

[spoon]

Ok fine you like him.


Normal people don't continue to make asses of themselves on national TV

He's not a normal guy. Normal people don't have

yes, nobody has

Normal people don't have a history of gaffes lying and plagiarism

Oh that's what you meant?! Sorry, I can't read your mind or speak rambling, one sided incomplete thoughts! :lol:

[spoon]

The Jays will end up in 4th place

put your money where your mouth is

[spoon]

If you're gonna lie, the least you can do is be good at it

oh bravo

great fucking point

let's all hope those that lie do it well

U S A
U S A!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

put your money where your mouth is



Debate me on air.

The challenge is out there and then I'll take the bet

[PapaBear]

put your money where your mouth is
Thanks for the tacos.:wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

oh bravo

great fucking point

let's all hope those that lie do it well

U S A
U S A!


The best ones have ascended to the presidency

[A.J.]

actually, despite the level of bullshit in this assertion, these things are FAR from odd, sadly the norm in fact

and to me, Biden's normal guy, rough around the edges thing is endearing in many ways. his gaffes are hilarious, but he sure does believe in his stances and in this day it's odd and to be commended. I like Biden...there I said it.

Did you like Dan Quayle too?

[Dell]

Did you like Dan Quayle too?

but he was a yucky Republican...

[epo]

Did you like Dan Quayle too?

You cannot seriously be comparing Joe Biden to Dan Quayle.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

DC Gun laws.

Because its more honorable to be a victim

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2267888/Neighbor-shot-pit-bull-mauling-11-year-old-boy-face-charges.html

[A.J.]

You cannot seriously be comparing Joe Biden to Dan Quayle.

Of course not. Quayle was an idiot; whereas Biden is a lovable loose-talker. Biden's gaffes are to be enjoyed, not mocked.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Of course not. Quayle was an idiot; whereas Biden is a lovable loose-talker. Biden's gaffes are to be enjoyed, not mocked.



He gone put Y'all back in chains

Yup that's a riot


Jerk!!'

[spoon]

Did you like Dan Quayle too?

I get you, but still not the same. I didn't despise him, but surely a dolt versus a goof...and Biden has much more ties and in common with regular peeps.

[spoon]

but he was a yucky Republican...

and yah, that...I like quite a few republicans in the long run

don't paint me into WF's myopic corner

I never rant all day like him on one side.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and yah, that...I like quite a few republicans in the long run

don't paint me into WF's myopic corner

I never rant all day like him on one side.

You might have Spoonesia


Didn't see me rip into The Orange smoke of failure or McCain?

[A.J.]

I get you, but still not the same. I didn't despise him, but surely a dolt versus a goof...and Biden has much more ties and in common with regular peeps.

Amtrak foreva!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Viva la red ink

[spoon]

You might have Spoonesia


Didn't see me rip into The Orange smoke of failure or McCain?

yah, I vaguely remember you joining on the hate wagon when you were told to

and promptly right back on anything obama, like vacation and bike attire

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah, I vaguely remember you joining on the hate wagon when you were told to

and promptly right back on anything obama, like vacation and bike attire



Lacking rational thought again

Go read what I said about MCCain with his fetish to intervene in Syria.


It blasts the NeoCons too

[hanso]

Debate me on air.

The challenge is out there and then I'll take the bet

On air?

[Jujubees2]

Debate me on air.

The challenge is out there and then I'll take the bet

On air?

Yeah Spoon is pro air and WF is anti air (how could he be in favor of something that everyone - even illegals - get for free?)

[A.J.]

Yeah Spoon is pro air and WF is anti air (how could he be in favor of something that everyone - even illegals - get for free?)

Air could be gone in seconds.

http://www.designundersky.com/storage/blog-images/2009/february/ice-pirates/spaceballs_large_15.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is great!!!!



http://freebeacon.com/former-ceo-of-playboy-blames-chicagos-murder-rate-on-climate-change/

[spoon]

Air could be gone in seconds.

http://www.designundersky.com/storage/blog-images/2009/february/ice-pirates/spaceballs_large_15.jpg

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

Oh NOOOOOO!

She's gone from suck, to BLOW!

[hanso]

Drunk woman says she fired gun because anti-gun control sheriff said it was OK

An intoxicated woman in Milwaukee says that she fired a weapon because she had heard a sheriff's ad saying that citizens should get “in the game” instead of calling 911.

36-year-old Makisha Cooper had told police that she was following Clarke’s advice that “simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/30/drunk-woman-says-she-fired-gun-because-anti-gun-control-sheriff-said-it-was-ok/

[Dell]

Drunk woman says she fired gun because anti-gun control sheriff said it was OK

An intoxicated woman in Milwaukee says that she fired a weapon because she had heard a sheriff's ad saying that citizens should get “in the game” instead of calling 911.

36-year-old Makisha Cooper had told police that she was following Clarke’s advice that “simply calling 911 and waiting is no longer your best option.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/30/drunk-woman-says-she-fired-gun-because-anti-gun-control-sheriff-said-it-was-ok/

dang, sheriff and residence are crazy...that town be cray

[A.J.]

dang, sheriff and residence are crazy...that town be cray

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[deliciousV]

Debate me on air.

The challenge is out there and then I'll take the bet

you two should just fuck and get it over with.

[sailor]

you two should just fuck and get it over with.

Isn't that Mikey & gvac's bit?

[Misteriosa]

Isn't that Mikey & gvac's bit?

i thought mikey's was "knock it off!" :unsure:

[sailor]

i thought mikey's was "knock it off!" :unsure:

Yeah, that old classic. No, someone said that about them and the tension between them. I think it ended up being someone or other's mod-quote.

[keithy_19]

Would them fucking also be on the air?

[spoon]

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Is that tracy morgan's grandfather?

[spoon]

Would them fucking also be on the air?

Well at least it could be argued sex sells, not listener debates on the constitution, policy and the economy. And I highly doubt WF listens at this point. Do u?

[deliciousV]

Isn't that Mikey & gvac's bit?

I never saw it if they did. Its just that, bless their hearts, they bicker like an old married couple, usually solves the problem at my house.

[deliciousV]

Is that tracy morgan's grandfather?

they do look alike.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sfaccim Juniors approval rating dipped 15 points since he signed the gun control law

[spoon]

Terrible

[epo]

dang, sheriff and residence are crazy...that town be cray

Nah, but you are right that the sheriff is a kook.

[spoon]

No no, epo b craaaaazy!

I hear spelunkers without a helmet!

[deliciousV]

The usually shy Uncle Ted speaks on the subject of gun control

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[razorboy]

Wasn't he supposed to be dead or in prison by now?

[deliciousV]

Wasn't he supposed to be dead or in prison by now?

anything, disease or otherwise, that comes to get him, he shoots and eats.

[razorboy]

anything, disease or otherwise, that comes to get him, he shoots and eats.

Unless it's the draft board. Then he shits himself, literally.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of Vietnam one of my senators was droning for more gun control. I'm surprised he didn't bring up all the firefights from there


Oh wait Dick Blumenthal lied about being there but the voters still elected him over the wacky WWE CEO

[spoon]

Speaking of Vietnam one of my senators was droning for more gun control. I'm surprised he didn't bring up all the firefights from there


Oh wait Dick Blumenthal lied about being there but the voters still elected him over the wacky WWE CEO

Oh wait, wf does it again! Yeah!

[deliciousV]

Unless it's the draft board. Then he shits himself, literally.

I can't get behind all of Ted's noise, but I find little fault in what he said.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oh wait, wf does it again! Yeah!



That's inexcusable . All politicians make minor gaffes once in a while but come on.

[Snoogans]

The usually shy Uncle Ted speaks on the subject of gun control

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awesome. the 2nd amendment is my concealed carry permit. Id love to see that one in court

[jennysmurf]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRa1GSzEDuKto_Dj0Rm27i0WAtsgPdp HpCSR3J171XfmIqrJSt

[Dell]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSRa1GSzEDuKto_Dj0Rm27i0WAtsgPdp HpCSR3J171XfmIqrJSt

not a good product...I heard nothing sticks to him

:rimshot:

[jennysmurf]

not a good product...I heard nothing sticks to him

:rimshot:

Aw c'mon, spoon and I were up to TP shenanigans, and you went and rooned it!

[Dell]

Aw c'mon, spoon and I were up to TP shenanigans, and you went and rooned it!

oops, I missed that...carry on

I just wanted to hear how extremely old my joke was and how it is constantly overused...:wink:

[jennysmurf]

oops, I missed that...carry on

I just wanted to hear how extremely old my joke was and how it is constantly overused...:wink:

It's okay, we've played it out. What are you doing up past your bedtime, young man?

[spoon]

oops, I missed that...carry on

I just wanted to hear how extremely old my joke was and how it is constantly overused...:wink:

nah, just you

[jennysmurf]

nah, just you

Well, he is older than disneyspy....

[spoon]

oh no i didn't!

[Dell]

It's okay, we've played it out. What are you doing up past your bedtime, young man?

about to head that way...I've messed up my internal clock and I'll go days with very little sleep and days where I cannot stay awake

irritating rollercoaster...:annoyed:

[spoon]

Well, he is older than disneyspy....

IMPOSSIBLE!

[jennysmurf]

about to head that way...I've messed up my internal clock and I'll go days with very little sleep and days where I cannot stay awake

irritating rollercoaster...:annoyed:

Go get you a little lovin'. I've heard that makes the menfolk sleepy.

[jennysmurf]

IMPOSSIBLE!

You'd think, but he said it himself!

[keithy_19]

Go get you a little lovin'. I've heard that makes the menfolk sleepy.

It does. But if you're just jerking off you go to bed with guilt and shame. And that can keep you up.

[keithy_19]

Well, he is older than disneyspy....

disneyspy is just 15. So yes, he is older.

[jennysmurf]

It does. But if you're just jerking off you go to bed with guilt and shame. And that can keep you up.

Poor Keithy. Is this why you can't sleep, Dell? Guilt and shame?

[spoon]

what if you jack in san diego?

[jennysmurf]

disneyspy is just 15. So yes, he is older.

Well, if you're 19, then you're older than spy too!


Good gravy, I just noted the forum. I am the worst mod ever.

[spoon]

none guilt

[spoon]

Well, if you're 19, then you're older than spy too!


Good gravy, I just noted the forum. I am the worst mod ever.

and now my favorite of all time!

[spoon]

and this could EASILY fit in the politics and current events thread...hurry, move it!

ha!

:devil2:

[jennysmurf]

and now my favorite of all time!

I've done worse things I guess.

[jennysmurf]

and this could EASILY fit in the politics and current events thread...hurry, move it!

ha!

:devil2:

It's evolved into yet another argument over politics and gun control, hasn't it? We need more of these kinds of threads? Sheesh.

[spoon]

it's raining in baltimore



baby

[jennysmurf]

Okay, techinically, it's in the "That's Life" category, but not the "sub-category" so it's okay. Technically. Whew! I'm not the worst mod ever!

[keithy_19]

Well, if you're 19, then you're older than spy too!


Good gravy, I just noted the forum. I am the worst mod ever.

Damn straight I'm disneyspy's elder.

This happened probably because you're high. Which is OK. Furtherman was here and he's only on this late when he's drunk.

[jennysmurf]

Damn straight I'm disneyspy's elder.

This happened probably because you're high. Which is OK. Furtherman was here and he's only on this late when he's drunk.

Yeah, he was in the hot chick thread too, the perv.

[keithy_19]

Okay, techinically, it's in the "That's Life" category, but not the "sub-category" so it's okay. Technically. Whew! I'm not the worst mod ever!

You get by because of a technicality. And it's OK. I go for that everyday because it's really the only thing I'm good at doing. Or not doing. Whichever.:drunk:

[keithy_19]

Yeah, he was in the hot chick thread too, the perv.

A lot of moding needs to be done there, too. And really, the hot chic thread is only a good gateway to google image. We're a buffer.

[jennysmurf]

A lot of moding needs to be done there, too. And really, the hot chic thread is only a good gateway to google image. We're a buffer.

I'm not going over there.

[keithy_19]

I'm not going over there.

This is why America should never have a female president.

[hanso]

Well at least it could be argued sex sells, not listener debates on the constitution, policy and the economy. And I highly doubt WF listens at this point. Do u?

Yes both shows. So why is he here?


Maybe that's why the 'on air' quote never stuck with me.

[spoon]

Yes both shows. So why is he here?


Maybe that's why the 'on air' quote never stuck with me.

I know YOU do, I was asking WF silly!

:lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Noted weapons and ballistics expert Jesse Jackson thinks that an AR15 can take down a plane and blow up railroads


He must be taking his sons meds

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chris must be smokin rock

http://www.examiner.com/article/chris-rock-obama-boss-of-america-president-and-michelle-obama-mom-and-dad

[epo]

Chris must be smokin rock

http://www.examiner.com/article/chris-rock-obama-boss-of-america-president-and-michelle-obama-mom-and-dad

First amendment. Same amendment which allows you to blather your baseless along points.

America!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who said to silence him?

His freedom to make stupid ignorant comments , also means my right to mock him


No president or any politician is our boss

[epo]

And your right to make stupid comments and we mock you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chris Rock should have said Barack is the deadbeat dad of the country.


The apple doesn't fall far from the tree

[brettmojo]

Chris Rock should have said Barack is the deadbeat dad of the country.


The apple doesn't fall far from the tree

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5087/hatred.gif

[epo]

Who said to silence him?



Nobody except the straw man who lives in your brain.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pseudo intellectuals like Rock are praised at being witty but when they arent in their act sound like imbeciles.


What intelligent person goes in front of the nation and says that Barack and Michelle are our parents and our bosses?


They carted out Tony Bennett yesterday in that gaggle. He left is heart in SF. He also left his brain there.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The pussification continues


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/story/20867109/second-grader-suspended-2-weeks-for-bringing-toy-gun-to-school

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Gunman in California must be a tea partier. Oh wait.


Excerpts from his Manifesto


"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien, Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera, Tavis Smiley, and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead. I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings. …

You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents.

If you had a well regulated AWB, this would not happen. The time is now to reinstitute a ban that will save lives. Why does any sportsman need a 30 round magazine for hunting? Why does anyone need a suppressor? Why does anyone need a AR15 rifle? This is the same small arms weapons system utilized in eradicating Al Qaeda, Taliban, and every enemy combatant since the Vietnam war. Don't give me that crap that its not a select fire or full auto rifle like the DoD uses. That's bullshit because troops who carry the M-4/M-16 weapon system for combat ops outside the wire rarely utilize the select fire function when in contact with enemy combatants"

[Jujubees2]

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/223568_10151233608005493_1482042492_n.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dornan asks why does anyone need an AR-15?


To protect ourselves from people like Dornan.

[hanso]

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[Bob Impact]

I get it, all people who are pro-gun are redneck asshole cowboys.

[Chigworthy]

I was pretty shocked reading the latest on Dorner in the LA Times:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-had-history-of-complaints-against-fellow-lapd-officers.html

Not at the article, but at the comments. It seems that most of the comments are in support of this lunatic. I understand that with comments on internet news articles, you are dealing with a low common denominator, but it is amazing that anyone sees him as a crusader for justice. Fuck LA.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If he mentioned that he was a tea party member or listened to talk radio, there would have been nonstop coverage of "IS HATE SPREADING" ?


Maybe the media whores learned their lesson after being wrong so many times, however its a travesty that they wont report that Dorner brings up so many names who arent named Hannity, Levin, Beck etc.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I was pretty shocked reading the latest on Dorner in the LA Times:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/02/dorner-had-history-of-complaints-against-fellow-lapd-officers.html

Not at the article, but at the comments. It seems that most of the comments are in support of this lunatic. I understand that with comments on internet news articles, you are dealing with a low common denominator, but it is amazing that anyone sees him as a crusader for justice. Fuck LA.

In all the photos released by the news. He looks so happy.

[Chigworthy]

In all the photos released by the news. He looks so happy.

Don't expect predictability from mentally-ill murderers.

[Syd]

Not at the article, but at the comments. It seems that most of the comments are in support of this lunatic. I understand that with comments on internet news articles, you are dealing with a low common denominator, but it is amazing that anyone sees him as a crusader for justice. Fuck LA.

I think the second the LAPD gunned down the newspaper delivery people, Dorner's lack of indiscriminately shooting pickup trucks made him something of a folk hero.

[hanso]

I don't think all the channels are fixated on Dorner at all like they have with other stories in the past.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sheen to Dorner gimme a call



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/charlie-sheen-dorner-call-170740810.html

[foodcourtdruide]

I don't think all the channels are fixated on Dorner at all like they have with other stories in the past.

I disagree, this story seems to be every where. Though, I can't believe how little the newspaper delivery pickup truck shooting has been covered by the media.

[hanso]

I disagree, this story seems to be every where. Though, I can't believe how little the newspaper delivery pickup truck shooting has been covered by the media.

On cable news? The one show I watch daily never had it, also the one on weekends



3 dead in Delaware courthouse shooting

Family court going by NRA shooter must have watched Kramer vs Kramer and played the Sims

[foodcourtdruide]

On cable news? The one show I watch daily never had it, also the one on weekends



3 dead in Delaware courthouse shooting

Family court going by NRA shooter must have watched Kramer vs Kramer and played the Sims

I don't watch cable news, but I do check out cnn.com/msnbc.com/foxnews.com etc. I dunno. It's really hard to measure this type of thing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dorner has become sort of a cult hero on the social networking sites.

[Chigworthy]

Dorner has become sort of a cult hero on the social networking sites.

Why wouldn't he? In a fake-ass self-centered culture like ours, he's perfect. He's just like the movies, omg.

[PapaBear]

Dorner has become sort of a cult hero on the social networking sites.
Just about every mass or serial killer has become a cult hero to some. The only one I can think of that didn't, is Dahmer.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just about every mass or serial killer has become a cult hero to some. The only one I can think of that didn't, is Dahmer.

Agreed, There are always people wanting to marry serial killers.


I think with Dornan with the advent of twitter ,FB etc there is more exposure. There's also the factor of how there are people who despise the LAPD and in their minds that probably could relate to him in some way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Shoot out in Big Bear btwn authorities and Dorner

[Chigworthy]

Evil scumbag BBQ in Big Bear right now.

[Chigworthy]

Agreed, There are always people wanting to marry serial killers.


I think with Dornan with the advent of twitter ,FB etc there is more exposure. There's also the factor of how there are people who despise the LAPD and in their minds that probably could relate to him in some way.

I can understand people who hate cops relating with Dorner's allegations and frustration, but once he kills innocent, unrelated people, how do they continue to identify with him? If the an active duty police officer that they hated killed innocent people, they would be out for blood. Yet somehow because this loon wrote a manifesto against the LAPD, it is ok for him to murder people (apparently 4 at this point).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If he would have gone with a lawsuit against the LAPD for false termination and discrimination then there would be a lot of support for him especially from people in NYC . Their stop and frisk policy has gotten a lot of criticism and rightfully so.

He could have possibly been a modern day Serpico

[sailor]

If he would have gone with a lawsuit against the LAPD for false termination and discrimination then there would be a lot of support for him especially from people in NYC . Their stop and frisk policy has gotten a lot of criticism and rightfully so.

He could have possibly been a modern day Serpico

Or he's a lunatic who was very rightfully terminated.

[Chigworthy]

Or he's a lunatic who was very rightfully terminated.

But that's not like the movies.

[newport king]

What i learned about chris dorner today on twitter is "dis nigga da realist"

[newport king]

Also...when white smoke come out of the cabin dorner has selected a new pope

[Snoogans]

I can understand people who hate cops relating with Dorner's allegations and frustration, but once he kills innocent, unrelated people, how do they continue to identify with him? If the an active duty police officer that they hated killed innocent people, they would be out for blood. Yet somehow because this loon wrote a manifesto against the LAPD, it is ok for him to murder people (apparently 4 at this point).

this is what i didnt get. I cant say its ok to kill anyone, but i could at least understand if he went after the people he blamed. But running around killing random cops, and innocent people who had nothing to do with anything, I dont understand how people can rally behind that. The guy is a fuckin animal and should be taken out.

On a side note, however, I think we can all laugh at the general incompetence of the LAPD

[keithy_19]

Also...when white smoke come out of the cabin dorner has selected a new pope

:lol::lol::lol:

POTD

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Also...when white smoke come out of the cabin dorner has selected a new pope

Habeus Pop'em

[hanso]

What i learned about chris dorner today on twitter is "dis nigga da realist"

Someone on his list should have tweeted #there's a tree on your cabin&it's on fire!

[Syd]

this is what i didnt get. I cant say its ok to kill anyone, but i could at least understand if he went after the people he blamed. But running around killing random cops, and innocent people who had nothing to do with anything, I dont understand how people can rally behind that. The guy is a fuckin animal and should be taken out.

On a side note, however, I think we can all laugh at the general incompetence of the LAPD

Perhaps he views it as tyranny, and he's using his 2nd amendment rights to defend against tyranny.

[hanso]

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[Bob Impact]

I was following this via the reddit thread and the scanner audio, I was actually surprised when it was reported that the cabin "burst into flames" without the cops involved. I believe they said very clearly several times that they were going to light the cabin up.

That's actually the only issue I have with the way they handled the stand off part of this. They believed no hostages were in that cabin but without eyes in there I don't know how they could have been sure. Not to mention that regardless of what we all logically know this scumbag did the police shouldn't have carte blanche to try and burn someone alive. Nor should they be starting fires in the middle of the woods before the fire department can tell them the likelyhood of the surrounding forest getting lit up. Not to mention that at some point probably 10 minutes after the fire was started the radio lit up with cops asking if there were any propane tanks near the cabin, which really seems like information you should have before you light the place on fire.

[Chigworthy]

I was following this via the reddit thread and the scanner audio, I was actually surprised when it was reported that the cabin "burst into flames" without the cops involved. I believe they said very clearly several times that they were going to light the cabin up.

That's actually the only issue I have with the way they handled the stand off part of this. They believed no hostages were in that cabin but without eyes in there I don't know how they could have been sure. Not to mention that regardless of what we all logically know this scumbag did the police shouldn't have carte blanche to try and burn someone alive. Nor should they be starting fires in the middle of the woods before the fire department can tell them the likelyhood of the surrounding forest getting lit up. Not to mention that at some point probably 10 minutes after the fire was started the radio lit up with cops asking if there were any propane tanks near the cabin, which really seems like information you should have before you light the place on fire.

You act like hearing "light the cabin up" means that they set it on fire, when it can mean any number of things. Even if the police on scene were going to use communication to broadcast intent to murder someone, they would have switched to push to talk, which is what even podunk departments use when there is a possibility that the subject has a scanner. Even if they intentionally burned the cabin, do you really think they would talk about it on unsecured channels when every media outlet in the Los Angeles valley was monitoring those channels and recording them?

[Bob Impact]

You act like hearing "light the cabin up" means that they set it on fire, when it can mean any number of things. Even if the police on scene were going to use communication to broadcast intent to murder someone, they would have switched to push to talk, which is what even podunk departments use when there is a possibility that the subject has a scanner. Even if they intentionally burned the cabin, do you really think they would talk about it on unsecured channels when every media outlet in the Los Angeles valley was monitoring those channels and recording them?

You're right, and I have no idea what police slang/jargon actually means so this could all be wrong, but from the audio that hanso just posted:

1:04: "We're gonna go forward with the plan, uh, with the burner."
1:28: "The burner is deployed, we have a fire." followed by "Copy 7, the burner is deployed and we have a fire."

After that they discuss an RPG they apparently found in a different cabin.

2:31: "Be ready on the 4 side, we have fire in the front, he might come out the back."

Then they discuss how well the fire is burning, culminating in "Give me some time here, we're not quite there, I still have the 2/3 corner that is vulnerable." and again later "You ready for fire?" "Negative, I still don't have adequate penetration on the 2/3 or the 3/4 and I still have live ammo popping." Then at the end of the clip they talk about the fact that there's a basement in the cabin.

Again, I know nothing of police slang so maybe "burner" refers to something else that incidentally started a fire but the fact that they say they're going to use burners, then that the burners were deployed and a fire has started are pretty convincing to me. That said, I don't know anything about SWAT tactics either, as far as I know it's entirely possible that this is a normal response considering the sheer volume of rounds he fired at them. My point is that the audio seems to make it abundantly clear that the fire was a tactic employed by the police.

[newport king]

They absolutely set it on fire. And he may have been 100% in the wrong the way he made his grievances heard. I would have liked for them to ATTEMPT a negotiator. The police department are not the judge jury and executioners. Every citizen despite the horrific acts that they may have committed, deserves their day infront of a jury.

If you wanna say how many people have to get shot trying to get this lunatic out, ok. Im just saying i would have liked to have seen a better effort to get him out.

[deliciousV]

They absolutely set it on fire. And he may have been 100% in the wrong the way he made his grievances heard. I would have liked for them to ATTEMPT a negotiator. The police department are not the judge jury and executioners. Every citizen despite the horrific acts that they may have committed, deserves their day infront of a jury.

If you wanna say how many people have to get shot trying to get this lunatic out, ok. Im just saying i would have liked to have seen a better effort to get him out.

using fire to end a siege is as old as time, a hostile enemy has a choice, come out or burn. You can't just keep hiding and being shot at indefinitely, especially when you're taking casualties.

[newport king]

The minute they wanted choppers out of the area, you knew they were killing him

[deliciousV]

The minute they wanted choppers out of the area, you knew they were killing him

that's one way to look at it, it's also possible that it's normal procedure to remove choppers from an active fire fight for their own safety. This fucker had killed civilians already, no reason to believe he wouldn't shoot at a chopper.

[newport king]

I just think the way LAPD handled this bad from the beginning. Opening fire on civilians in 2 seperate instances thinking it was him? And housed dont spontaneously combust. And im not buying the teargas excuse theyre giving on cnn

[deliciousV]

I just think the way LAPD handled this bad from the beginning. Opening fire on civilians in 2 seperate instances thinking it was him? And housed dont spontaneously combust. And im not buying the teargas excuse theyre giving on cnn

it's been hard to trust the LAPD for a long long time, so I totally respect your opinion. I just have no pity for this guy, he was very open about his intent to target cops and their families and had plenty of blood on his hands, if I'm a cop out there I don't want him leaving that cabin alive, and he shot 2 of them from the cabin, he wasn't due any fairness, he got what he had coming.

[Snoogans]

i have no pity for dorner either. the second he killed people without them threatening his life, he was wrong. there are ways to fight back without killing people. Then, he wasnt even killin the people he blamed for it, that makes him just a sick animal. so he deserved what he got.

That being said, man the LAPD are inept. Regardless of what level threat you are facing, there are fuckin procedures and things you should try to do that are that way because thats what has been shown to work the best. These fuckin guys just wing it by their ass and have absolutely no clue. I think the good that will come from this is that finally, someone might break down that entire shit department and re build it with some level of competence.

Thats the reason people got behind him. Well, part of it. The other part is that people are just fucked up now. But part of it is, these people spend the last 20 or so years watching all the damage that the LAPD has either caused or failed to prevent, and it made people realize something might finally make it change. Its sick and its sad, but I really think thats what it is.

Thats what made this so odd for me. I wasnt rooting for Dorner, of course, cause he is fucked up. But I certainly cant say I was upset by the mockery that was made of the LAPD, Riverside PD, and San Bernadino

[deliciousV]

i have no pity for dorner either. the second he killed people without them threatening his life, he was wrong. there are ways to fight back without killing people. Then, he wasnt even killin the people he blamed for it, that makes him just a sick animal. so he deserved what he got.

That being said, man the LAPD are inept. Regardless of what level threat you are facing, there are fuckin procedures and things you should try to do that are that way because thats what has been shown to work the best. These fuckin guys just wing it by their ass and have absolutely no clue. I think the good that will come from this is that finally, someone might break down that entire shit department and re build it with some level of competence.

Thats the reason people got behind him. Well, part of it. The other part is that people are just fucked up now. But part of it is, these people spend the last 20 or so years watching all the damage that the LAPD has either caused or failed to prevent, and it made people realize something might finally make it change. Its sick and its sad, but I really think thats what it is.

Thats what made this so odd for me. I wasnt rooting for Dorner, of course, cause he is fucked up. But I certainly cant say I was upset by the mockery that was made of the LAPD, Riverside PD, and San Bernadino

can't argue with any of that, they've earned their reputation, let them live with it until they deal with it. That being said, they had every reason to kill this fucker who was threatening their families and actively shooting them and at them at the time.

[hanso]

using fire to end a siege is as old as time, a hostile enemy has a choice, come out or burn. You can't just keep hiding and being shot at indefinitely, especially when you're taking casualties.

Yes I can remember this going back to the 60's at least so why the surprise from some?

They did have someone try to arrest him early that day and ended up dead so he made his own bed.

[PapaBear]

I would have had no problem with an RPG in this case. Unless I owned the home, that is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Dorner thought he was being discriminated against, he could have brought a lawsuit to the LAPD.


I would have. Cash is king.

[Dude!]

Yes I can remember this going back to the 60's at least so why the surprise from some?

yeah, it's as American as apple pie

like when Bill Clinton and Jimmy Reno
burnt all those children alive in Waco

[Syd]

Dorner is a hero, he valiantly fought against tyranny using his 2nd amendment rights to use tyranny-defenders to bring down tyrannous tyrants.

[Chigworthy]

Hey Steve, let's go with the plan, with the counter-troll burners.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dorner is a hero, he valiantly fought against tyranny using his 2nd amendment rights to use tyranny-defenders to bring down tyrannous tyrants.



He's Django unchained according to Columbia Professor Mark Lamont hill


Read his manifesto he was critical of the NRA

[Syd]

What's the NRA have to do with it? Just some dude fighting tyranny with guns. 2nd amendment. Defense against tyranny. Right to bear arms. Militia. Tyranny.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's the NRA have to do with it? Just some dude fighting tyranny with guns. 2nd amendment. Defense against tyranny. Right to bear arms. Militia. Tyranny.



He violated the law

[Chigworthy]

It is funny how one murdering fucking idiot killing people in the name of gun control, racism, and Charlie Sheen, can make people loose their shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And Colin Ferguson was yelling pro militia lines while shooting all those people on the train


Oh wait. He was spewing anti whitey lines

[Syd]

He violated the law

He felt the law was unjust and he used his rights as an American to fight against the tyranny of the government

remember the Founding Fathers broke the law when they fought against tyranny using tyranny defenders

[Chigworthy]

Syd is the Fez of Anarchy.

[hanso]

He felt the law was unjust and he used his rights as an American to fight against the tyranny of the government

remember the Founding Fathers broke the law when they fought against tyranny using tyranny defenders

Makes my wonder how so many don't catch on to this part of history with the amendment it's like they see through red coat colored glasses.

[Bob Impact]

What's the NRA have to do with it? Just some dude fighting tyranny with guns. 2nd amendment. Defense against tyranny. Right to bear arms. Militia. Tyranny.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Dell]

He violated the law

I don't think you can "rise against tyranny" without breaking the law...but none of that applies in the Dorner case, anyway

[Syd]

Syd is the Fez of Anarchy.

If we're realistic about the "new" 2nd amendment and what everyone think it means, what exactly is the difference between Dorner and someone fighting for what they perceive as freedom?

Not every single person killed in the American revolution deserved to die -- there were plenty of innocent people killed, too.

Apart from being black, Dorner was everything the gun culture fetishizes. Is that not what they want out of the 2nd amendment? Dude had some guns, felt he was wronged by the government and went out to address those wrongs via targeted killings.

I don't see how you can unabashedly support the 2nd amendment as a "tyranny defense parachute" and then not support what Dorner did.

Note that I don't actually support Dorner's course of action but it's a test case for a good thought experiment: Who gets to decide what is and isn't tyranny and why is one opinion more valid than the other?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If we're realistic about the "new" 2nd amendment and what everyone think it means, what exactly is the difference between Dorner and someone fighting for what they perceive as freedom?

Not every single person killed in the American revolution deserved to die -- there were plenty of innocent people killed, too.

Apart from being black, Dorner was everything the gun culture fetishizes. Is that not what they want out of the 2nd amendment? Dude had some guns, felt he was wronged by the government and went out to address those wrongs via targeted killings.

I don't see how you can unabashedly support the 2nd amendment as a "tyranny defense parachute" and then not support what Dorner did.

Note that I don't actually support Dorner's course of action but it's a test case for a good thought experiment: Who gets to decide what is and isn't tyranny and why is one opinion more valid than the other?



Being discriminated on the job isn't the same if there were black helicopters and agents storming your house without a warrant.


If Dorner had a gripe with the LAPD, He could have hired an attorney. Dorner decided to go on offense.


Rodney King was beaten senseless but he didnt go out on a rampage.

[deliciousV]

If we're realistic about the "new" 2nd amendment and what everyone think it means, what exactly is the difference between Dorner and someone fighting for what they perceive as freedom?

Not every single person killed in the American revolution deserved to die -- there were plenty of innocent people killed, too.

Apart from being black, Dorner was everything the gun culture fetishizes. Is that not what they want out of the 2nd amendment? Dude had some guns, felt he was wronged by the government and went out to address those wrongs via targeted killings.

I don't see how you can unabashedly support the 2nd amendment as a "tyranny defense parachute" and then not support what Dorner did.

Note that I don't actually support Dorner's course of action but it's a test case for a good thought experiment: Who gets to decide what is and isn't tyranny and why is one opinion more valid than the other?

I'm pretty sure you are being intentionally extreme, but I'll bite. The second amendment allows for an armed citizenry in order to form a militia if needed. One asshole who feels he's been wronged is not a militia. There were many ways to approach his grievances within the law, he chose to become a vigilante. No way to compare what he did to a "well regulated militia"

[Dell]

I'm pretty sure you are being intentionally extreme, but I'll bite. The second amendment allows for an armed citizenry in order to form a militia if needed. One asshole who feels he's been wronged is not a militia. There were many ways to approach his grievances within the law, he chose to become a vigilante. No way to compare what he did to a "well regulated militia"

build straw arguments and claim it's what the "opposition" is saying/thinking so that a person can demonstrate the absurdity of the opposing opinion...shameful shit

[sailor]

I'm pretty sure you are being intentionally extreme, but I'll bite. The second amendment allows for an armed citizenry in order to form a militia if needed. One asshole who feels he's been wronged is not a militia. There were many ways to approach his grievances within the law, he chose to become a vigilante. No way to compare what he did to a "well regulated militia"

Btw, it's society as a whole that decides what's just or unjust in terms of anyone (or group) fighting back.

[Syd]

I'm pretty sure you are being intentionally extreme, but I'll bite. The second amendment allows for an armed citizenry in order to form a militia if needed. One asshole who feels he's been wronged is not a militia. There were many ways to approach his grievances within the law, he chose to become a vigilante. No way to compare what he did to a "well regulated militia"

So what constitutes a militia? Is it more than one person? More than those at Ruby Ridge or at Waco?

Who gets to decide which is the best way to approach grievances? Should there be a citizens group, perhaps a Committee of Public Safety, that gets to determine this?

Dorner is an example of how the 2nd amendment isn't about "fighting tyranny" it's about how the framers didn't want a standing army because at the time they were used exclusively to subdue the populace. Had the Constitution had a bill of rights or the Bill of Rights was re-written after the disastrous experiment of "militia-as-army" or after the XYZ affair, we wouldn't have the bullshit cargo cult of guns we have today.

And at the same time, Dorner is again example of how all these cowboys think they're going to be a billy badass in the event of an actual revolution. No, the same shit that happened to Dorner and the same shit that happened in Fallujah will happen to them. They'll burn or bulldoze their house down, destroy medical facilities, sanitary sewer facilities and potable water supply facilities and let the populace die or turn against those revolting.

But, hey, I'm sure the latest murder toy from Bushmaster will have a built in water filtration system and compass in the stock so you can fantasize about some bullshit gunfight scene straight out of A Christmas Story

[deliciousV]

So what constitutes a militia? Is it more than one person? More than those at Ruby Ridge or at Waco?

Who gets to decide which is the best way to approach grievances? Should there be a citizens group, perhaps a Committee of Public Safety, that gets to determine this?

Dorner is an example of how the 2nd amendment isn't about "fighting tyranny" it's about how the framers didn't want a standing army because at the time they were used exclusively to subdue the populace. Had the Constitution had a bill of rights or the Bill of Rights was re-written after the disastrous experiment of "militia-as-army" or after the XYZ affair, we wouldn't have the bullshit cargo cult of guns we have today.

And at the same time, Dorner is again example of how all these cowboys think they're going to be a billy badass in the event of an actual revolution. No, the same shit that happened to Dorner and the same shit that happened in Fallujah will happen to them. They'll burn or bulldoze their house down, destroy medical facilities, sanitary sewer facilities and potable water supply facilities and let the populace die or turn against those revolting.

But, hey, I'm sure the latest murder toy from Bushmaster will have a built in water filtration system and compass in the stock so you can fantasize about some bullshit gunfight scene straight out of A Christmas Story

you already know what consititutes a militia, and it's not just some pissy group here or there who decide to play army. Think from the reference point of the men who drafted the amendment, the country had just fought for independance against England by using a militia army. The vast majority of the colonies had had enough and everybody wanted to get out from under tyranny. In 1774 england banned shipments of weapons and ammo into the colonies, in 1775 they started confiscating guns, this was a response to the tea party. That's a picture of what is meant by a militia in the 2nd amendment, it would be pretty obvious to most everyone if the time ever came to form one, much like it was back then.

[Chigworthy]

Dorner is EXACTLY like Ruby Ridge and Waco. Good point.

[Syd]

you already know what consititutes a militia, and it's not just some pissy group here or there who decide to play army. Think from the reference point of the men who drafted the amendment, the country had just fought for independance against England by using a militia army. The vast majority of the colonies had had enough and everybody wanted to get out from under tyranny. In 1774 england banned shipments of weapons and ammo into the colonies, in 1775 they started confiscating guns, this was a response to the tea party. That's a picture of what is meant by a militia in the 2nd amendment, it would be pretty obvious to most everyone if the time ever came to form one, much like it was back then.

Now think of what happened when they tried to engage in warfare against the British as a militia. Then think of what would have happened if France hadn't sent Comte de Grasse and his flotilla to the Chesapeake bay.

Guns have nothing to do with revolutions -- food, water, money and external support with set piece hardware is how you win.

citation: Every single revolution that has ever suceeded

you can look at a parallel with the Kosciuszko uprising and how little they accomplished without the support required for a proper revolution

[deliciousV]

Now think of what happened when they tried to engage in warfare against the British as a militia. Then think of what would have happened if France hadn't sent Comte de Grasse and his flotilla to the Chesapeake bay.

Guns have nothing to do with revolutions -- food, water, money and external support with set piece hardware is how you win.

citation: Every single revolution that has ever suceeded

you can look at a parallel with the Kosciuszko uprising and how little they accomplished without the support required for a proper revolution

and you've got it in your head that history couldn't repeat itself if such a need arose? Seriously, you've got your agenda, you hate our right to have "murder toys", that's fine. But I will certainly do everything legally within my rights to preserve my rights. And when something goes bump in the night at your place, you hide under the bed and call for a man with a gun to come help you, hint, they're usually too late. And I'll take my chances at defending my family myself.

[deliciousV]

Now think of what happened when they tried to engage in warfare against the British as a militia. Then think of what would have happened if France hadn't sent Comte de Grasse and his flotilla to the Chesapeake bay.

Guns have nothing to do with revolutions -- food, water, money and external support with set piece hardware is how you win.

citation: Every single revolution that has ever suceeded

you can look at a parallel with the Kosciuszko uprising and how little they accomplished without the support required for a proper revolution

then why is it that tyrants always try to disarm the populous first thing?

[Dell]

Dorner is EXACTLY like Ruby Ridge and Waco. Good point.

HA...I hope I correctly detected the sarcasm

[Dell]

BTW...the second amendment provides for the right to form a militia AND the individual the right to own guns

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It also blocks the federal government from infringing on these rights. Now if Chicago and NYC want to have draconian gun laws as much as I disagree with them, I'm not for incorporation of the bill of rights.

Bloomberg and Rahm think it's more honorable to be a victim

[DarkHippie]

There will never be a satisfactory answer to the gun issue. The country is too vast, with too many regional povs about guns. The only answer is to prepare yourself for the inevitable shooting of yourself and your loved ones

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There will never be a satisfactory answer to the gun issue. The country is too vast, with too many regional povs about guns. The only answer is to prepare yourself for the inevitable shooting of yourself and your loved ones


Or depending on where you live buy some guns

[Bob Impact]

If we're realistic about the "new" 2nd amendment and what everyone think it means, what exactly is the difference between Dorner and someone fighting for what they perceive as freedom?

Not every single person killed in the American revolution deserved to die -- there were plenty of innocent people killed, too.

Apart from being black, Dorner was everything the gun culture fetishizes. Is that not what they want out of the 2nd amendment? Dude had some guns, felt he was wronged by the government and went out to address those wrongs via targeted killings.

I don't see how you can unabashedly support the 2nd amendment as a "tyranny defense parachute" and then not support what Dorner did.

Note that I don't actually support Dorner's course of action but it's a test case for a good thought experiment: Who gets to decide what is and isn't tyranny and why is one opinion more valid than the other?

It so perfectly fits your mentality to see no difference between someone murdering innocents to avenge some perceived wrong and someone defending against an aggressor.

[deliciousV]

It so perfectly fits your mentality to see no difference between someone murdering innocents to avenge some perceived wrong and someone defending against an aggressor.

I'm sure he sees us legal gun owners who enjoy a little target shooting, hunting and defending our homes as gun nuts with our "murder toys". But the gang war thugs in innercities all over the country as freedom fighters, while they commit the vast majority of murders.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm sure he sees us legal gun owners who enjoy a little target shooting, hunting and defending our homes as gun nuts with our "murder toys". But the gang war thugs in innercities all over the country as freedom fighters, while they commit the vast majority of murders.

Plus it's not AR-15's that are the main cause of these murders.


I wish the term assault weapon would stop being used. It's just another term cooked up by knownothing politicians.

[deliciousV]

Plus it's not AR-15's that are the main cause of these murders.


I wish the term assault weapon would stop being used. It's just another term cooked up by knownothing politicians.

No, the politicians know plenty, they just use that term to scare the knownothing masses. Every national news report I've seen, on network TV, showed someone firing a full auto AR15 when discussing an assault ban, those are already banned. They never mentioned that less than 400 people out of the 10,000 killed a year were killed with a rifle of any sort. It is intellectually dishonest to pretend this is a fix. Deal with the reasons that young people in the inner cities are killing each other and innocent bystanders with hand guns and you'll be onto something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In a way these politicians are knownothings

Cuomo wanted a bill rushed without having an exemption for law enforcement because he wanted to be the 1st governor to sign a sweeping gun control ban

Plus what makes him a ballistics expert to determine 7 as a limit ?

[hanso]

BTW...the second amendment provides for the right to form a militia AND the individual the right to own guns

Isn't the wording 'in order to form a well regulated militia'?

[hanso]

No, the politicians know plenty, they just use that term to scare the knownothing masses. Every national news report I've seen, on network TV, showed someone firing a full auto AR15 when discussing an assault ban, those are already banned. They never mentioned that less than 400 people out of the 10,000 killed a year were killed with a rifle of any sort. It is intellectually dishonest to pretend this is a fix. Deal with the reasons that young people in the inner cities are killing each other and innocent bystanders with hand guns and you'll be onto something.

30k a year are killed by guns here

[PapaBear]

30k a year are killed by guns here
You're including the more than 50% that are suicides. That shouldn't count in a debate about gun violence, when the goal is to make people safe from others.

[Syd]

It so perfectly fits your mentality to see no difference between someone murdering innocents to avenge some perceived wrong and someone defending against an aggressor.

It's not my mentality, but rather the mentality of absolutists that the 2nd amendment is about having shitloads of tapatio doritos and tyranny-defenders to take out evil Obumma

then why is it that tyrants always try to disarm the populous first thing?

then why is it that disarming the populous never actually works to limit a revolution?

http://i.imgur.com/Tr0aQQ1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lGiEvIl.jpg

Both of these revolutions happened at the same time, both revolutions had peasants somehow get a hold of tyranny-defenders yet one failed and the other succeeded

Why is it that people have tyranny-defenders yet can't defend against tyranny. Militia. 2nd amendment.

You're including the more than 50% that are suicides. That shouldn't count in a debate about gun violence, when the goal is to make people safe from others.

http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2007&issue=04000&article=00031&type=abstract

[A.J.]

There will never be a satisfactory answer to the gun issue. The country is too vast, with too many regional povs about guns. The only answer is to prepare yourself for the inevitable shooting of yourself and your loved ones

That's the way I felt when I lived in DC.