mass shooting 100 day challenge

[hanso]

You're including the more than 50% that are suicides. That shouldn't count in a debate about gun violence, when the goal is to make people safe from others.

The reg is on the guns things like a trigger lock so it should count imo

[hanso]

It's not my mentality, but rather the mentality of absolutists that the 2nd amendment is about having shitloads of tapatio doritos and tyranny-defenders to take out evil Obumma



then why is it that disarming the populous never actually works to limit a revolution?

http://i.imgur.com/Tr0aQQ1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/lGiEvIl.jpg

Both of these revolutions happened at the same time, both revolutions had peasants somehow get a hold of tyranny-defenders yet one failed and the other succeeded

Why is it that people have tyranny-defenders yet can't defend against tyranny. Militia. 2nd amendment.



http://journals.lww.com/jtrauma/pages/articleviewer.aspx?year=2007&issue=04000&article=00031&type=abstract

The tyranny-defenders act as if it is this Gov. When it sould be easy to understand it was king george's

The way they have twisted it so much it may need to be revised

[sailor]

The reg is on the guns things like a trigger lock so it should count imo

If it's your gun, what's it matter?

[Chigworthy]

It's not my mentality, but rather the mentality of absolutists that the 2nd amendment is about having shitloads of tapatio doritos and tyranny-defenders to take out evil Obumma

Both of these revolutions happened at the same time, both revolutions had peasants somehow get a hold of tyranny-defenders yet one failed and the other succeeded

Why is it that people have tyranny-defenders yet can't defend against tyranny. Militia. 2nd amendment.

That's so funny when you call them tyranny-defenders, over and over again. And then the part about taking out evil Obumma had me ROLLIN ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF! OMFG, I can almost hear a stupid redneck saying Obumma! HALOLHAHEHEHALOL. Comedy born from impotent rage is the best kind.

[hanso]

If it's your gun, what's it matter?

Others can get hold of it

[Syd]

That's so funny when you call them tyranny-defenders, over and over again. And then the part about taking out evil Obumma had me ROLLIN ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF! OMFG, I can almost hear a stupid redneck saying Obumma! HALOLHAHEHEHALOL. Comedy born from impotent rage is the best kind.

tyranny-defenders

[sailor]

Others can get hold of it

Sure, but you'd at least have to deduct all the owners who kill themselves with their own gun, as per what PB was saying.

[DarkHippie]

Or depending on where you live buy some guns

I would think that having a gun would make you more vulnerable to gun violence. after all, the gun is right there. There's a lot that can go wrong when guns are involved.

It's much safer to keep guns as far away from you as possible, and to not be an asshole. Simple. Practical. Random mass shootings do occur, but most gun violence is much more personal. If you piss enough people off, eventually someone is going to shoot you.

[Snoogans]

I would think that having a gun would make you more vulnerable to gun violence. after all, the gun is right there. There's a lot that can go wrong when guns are involved.

It's much safer to keep guns as far away from you as possible, and to not be an asshole. Simple. Practical. Random mass shootings do occur, but most gun violence is much more personal. If you piss enough people off, eventually someone is going to shoot you.

so being a nice person will stop you from gettin robbed?

[Chigworthy]

so being a nice person will stop you from gettin robbed?

That and the Automatic Gun Repulsion System, which keeps guns as far away from you as possible.

[Jujubees2]

so being a nice person will stop you from gettin robbed?

The only thing that can stop a nice person is a nice person with a gun!

[Jujubees2]

Mr. LaPierre, please just go away...

NRA chief LaPierre claims 'looters ran wild in south Brooklyn' after Sandy, but Coney Island residents say he is full of it (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nra-boss-defames-brooklyn-sandy-screed-article-1.1264387#ixzz2L0L2ggLn)

[Syd]

so being a nice person will stop you from gettin robbed?

http://jrc.sagepub.com/content/35/2/193.short

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mr. LaPierre, please just go away...

NRA chief LaPierre claims 'looters ran wild in south Brooklyn' after Sandy, but Coney Island residents say he is full of it (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nra-boss-defames-brooklyn-sandy-screed-article-1.1264387#ixzz2L0L2ggLn)

Is South Bklyn some new neighborhood that Hipsters took over?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't worry everyone all these rounds are for "training"


http://m.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/not-so-sinister-homeland-security-is-stockpiling-ammo-_-for-target-practice/2013/02/14/a1ec3930-76da-11e2-b102-948929030e64_story.html

[Dell]

The only thing that can stop a nice person is a nice person with a gun!

:laugh:

[Snoogans]

That and the Automatic Gun Repulsion System, which keeps guns as far away from you as possible.

anti matter. I cover my house in anti matter so it repels all guns

[deliciousV]

anti matter. I cover my house in anti matter so it repels all guns

somebody just started working on an anti matter piercing bullet

[Snoogans]

http://jrc.sagepub.com/content/35/2/193.short

ok we arent talkin about carrying them. If you live in a house in a nice place, it doesnt matter how nice you are to people, someone could decide to rob it. It happens. It probably wont, but it could.

So whats the problem if someone wants to have a shotgun in the house in case it does? If someone broke into your house now, and had a gun, then how you acted really didnt matter did it?

[Snoogans]

somebody just started working on an anti matter piercing bullet

SON OF A BITCH. those goddamn reptilians!

[hanso]

I would think that having a gun would make you more vulnerable to gun violence. after all, the gun is right there. There's a lot that can go wrong when guns are involved.

It's much safer to keep guns as far away from you as possible, and to not be an asshole. Simple. Practical. Random mass shootings do occur, but most gun violence is much more personal. If you piss enough people off, eventually someone is going to shoot you.

words to live by

Mr. LaPierre, please just go away...

NRA chief LaPierre claims 'looters ran wild in south Brooklyn' after Sandy, but Coney Island residents say he is full of it (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nra-boss-defames-brooklyn-sandy-screed-article-1.1264387#ixzz2L0L2ggLn)

Why let little things like facts get in the way? He is preaching to the fox news crowd after all

[Bob Impact]

somebody just started working on an anti matter piercing bullet

Wait, wouldn't that just be a regular matter bullet?

[sailor]

words to live by



Why let little things like facts get in the way? He is preaching to the fox news crowd after all

Yes, why let facts get in the way, like reports from October and November of looting in the area:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/10/31/hurricane-sandy-looting-brooklyn-coney-island_n_2047183.html

http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/2012/1103/Hurricane-Sandy-s-darker-side-Looting-and-other-crime

Eh, now reading the original article, it's not really talking about just looting. Title of the article was a bit misleading.

[sailor]

Wait, wouldn't that just be a regular matter bullet?

No, that would cause both to be destroyed.

[jafter]

Good to see some positive stories about guns. I so tired of the anti gun people thinking that if you got rid of guns crime would just disappear. Thank God this woman had a gun to protect herself.

http://http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/02/15/3331057/woman-used-gun-to-stop-robbery.html#storylink=omni_popular (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/02/15/3331057/woman-used-gun-to-stop-robbery.html#storylink=omni_popular)

[Snoogans]

Wait, wouldn't that just be a regular matter bullet?

no. Anti matter repels all matter. If you fired a regular matter bullet at it, once it got a bit close to it it would come back the other way at whoever shot it

[hanso]

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NRA chief LaPierre other lies in last mongering speech..the brown men are coming to kill everyone.

However the number of border crossings have been down



The looting thing is desputed

His rhetoric:

"After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all."

If you are unarmed after a storm you will get killed by looters.


http://ktar.com/22/1610832/Coney-Island-locals-clash-with-NRA-chief

NRA chief LaPierre is just a shrill to sell guns fox news style.

[Syd]

Good to see some positive stories about guns. I so tired of the anti gun people thinking that if you got rid of guns crime would just disappear. Thank God this woman had a gun to protect herself.

http://http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/02/15/3331057/woman-used-gun-to-stop-robbery.html#storylink=omni_popular (http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2013/02/15/3331057/woman-used-gun-to-stop-robbery.html#storylink=omni_popular)

Crime wouldn't disappear, but, murder rates would certainly fall to the same levels of Britain or Portugal. Crime isn't about having or not having guns, it's about income inequality. Guns just increase the number of people killed. These are absolute facts because guns-per-100k and Gini coefficient can be applied to any country and it can explain the lack of or high rate of murder/crime. You take up the Scandinavian model to limit crime, not increase the number of guns.

So whats the problem if someone wants to have a shotgun in the house in case it does?

No problem at all. Shotguns are suited for such situations -- they're easy to handle, easy to aim. They still have the issue of penetrating drywall, though, which means if you miss you're going to kill someone on the other side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSOWpy5OKSc

It's what people don't think about in their little revenge fantasies. You're going to be in the middle of a fight-or-flight situation and your body isn't going to be in the best condition to aim a weapon, especially a handgun. Then the muzzle flash which can be blinding, and unlike the movies if you fire a gun indoors it's really, really goddamn loud.

but

That's the reality of the situation now. If you read the opinion on Heller, the court re-defined the 2nd amendment as about having guns in homes, but it was repeatedly stated that there can be limitations on what guns are allowed. They termed it as "common" which may more or less mean Title II stays, and there may be more limitations. Handguns and long guns were OK, though, but assault rifles may be legally banned. Plus, states may be allowed to remain "may issue" because, again, the opinion mostly centered around home ownership of guns. It wasn't about open carry, military hardware or anything else. It was blithely argued to increase the sales of handguns and not really about armed revolts.

[Dell]

Isn't the wording 'in order to form a well regulated militia'?

NO...anyway you parse it (unless there is some new grammar rules of which I'm unaware)

[Dell]

a pretty good episode for this discussion...watch it and see which Board Personality you can identify in the debate

Bullshit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrNzE39J8E)

[hanso]

NO...anyway you parse it (unless there is some new grammar rules of which I'm unaware)

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Note the running sentence with commas ^^^^^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Dell]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

yep, that's what it says...", the right of the people to keep and bear Arms"

(after editing many a wiki page, I don't go to them when referenced...)

[hanso]

You missed my edit it is one sentence

This part was left off
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, <<< this here is a comma it goes with the last part.

[deliciousV]

Crime wouldn't disappear, but, murder rates would certainly fall to the same levels of Britain or Portugal. Crime isn't about having or not having guns, it's about income inequality. Guns just increase the number of people killed. These are absolute facts because guns-per-100k and Gini coefficient can be applied to any country and it can explain the lack of or high rate of murder/crime. You take up the Scandinavian model to limit crime, not increase the number of guns.



No problem at all. Shotguns are suited for such situations -- they're easy to handle, easy to aim. They still have the issue of penetrating drywall, though, which means if you miss you're going to kill someone on the other side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSOWpy5OKSc

It's what people don't think about in their little revenge fantasies. You're going to be in the middle of a fight-or-flight situation and your body isn't going to be in the best condition to aim a weapon, especially a handgun. Then the muzzle flash which can be blinding, and unlike the movies if you fire a gun indoors it's really, really goddamn loud.

but

That's the reality of the situation now. If you read the opinion on Heller, the court re-defined the 2nd amendment as about having guns in homes, but it was repeatedly stated that there can be limitations on what guns are allowed. They termed it as "common" which may more or less mean Title II stays, and there may be more limitations. Handguns and long guns were OK, though, but assault rifles may be legally banned. Plus, states may be allowed to remain "may issue" because, again, the opinion mostly centered around home ownership of guns. It wasn't about open carry, military hardware or anything else. It was blithely argued to increase the sales of handguns and not really about armed revolts.

complete horseshit, amazing that such a gun hater would ever try to use Heller in an argument.
In 2008 and 2010, the Supreme Court issued two landmark decisions officially establishing this interpretation. In District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm, unconnected to service in a militia[1][2] and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home within many longstanding prohibitions and restrictions on firearms possession listed by the Court as being consistent with the Second Amendment.[3] In McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010), the Court ruled that the Second Amendment limits state and local governments to the same extent that it limits the federal government.[4]
"such as" not limited to.

As for the rest of your slanted data, explain Kennesaw Georgia

[hanso]

If the tyranny-defenders want to go by the letter of the document they so delight in twisting.

They would then have to take in all sailors on fleet weeks. And after the sailors are back from a night on the town. It may be a good idea to procure all the killing toys they have hoarded

[Snoogans]

Crime wouldn't disappear, but, murder rates would certainly fall to the same levels of Britain or Portugal. Crime isn't about having or not having guns, it's about income inequality. Guns just increase the number of people killed. These are absolute facts because guns-per-100k and Gini coefficient can be applied to any country and it can explain the lack of or high rate of murder/crime. You take up the Scandinavian model to limit crime, not increase the number of guns.



No problem at all. Shotguns are suited for such situations -- they're easy to handle, easy to aim. They still have the issue of penetrating drywall, though, which means if you miss you're going to kill someone on the other side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSOWpy5OKSc

It's what people don't think about in their little revenge fantasies. You're going to be in the middle of a fight-or-flight situation and your body isn't going to be in the best condition to aim a weapon, especially a handgun. Then the muzzle flash which can be blinding, and unlike the movies if you fire a gun indoors it's really, really goddamn loud.

but

That's the reality of the situation now. If you read the opinion on Heller, the court re-defined the 2nd amendment as about having guns in homes, but it was repeatedly stated that there can be limitations on what guns are allowed. They termed it as "common" which may more or less mean Title II stays, and there may be more limitations. Handguns and long guns were OK, though, but assault rifles may be legally banned. Plus, states may be allowed to remain "may issue" because, again, the opinion mostly centered around home ownership of guns. It wasn't about open carry, military hardware or anything else. It was blithely argued to increase the sales of handguns and not really about armed revolts.

well, if you are smart, you load the first shot with bird shot, which will stop a person but not kill them and wont go through walls. If you need to kill them, have the 2nd shot be beck and then it will be easy not to miss

[deliciousV]

If the tyranny-defenders want to go by the letter of the document they so delight in twisting.

They would then have to take in all sailors on fleet weeks. And after the sailors are back from a night on the town it may be a good idea to procure all the killing toys they have hoarded

nobody is twisting anything, the supreme court ruled that the 2nd applies outside of the need for a militia, and the vast majority of guns have never been used to kill. You have the thought process of a 7 year old girl, one where you really believe utopia really can be, one where it is decided and then done that every gun just goes away. How can you ignore the simple fucking truth that no matter what you do, what laws you pass, you won't take the guns away from the inner city gang bangers who are doing nearly all the killing, you'll just leave the rest of us at their mercy.
Stop focusing on the fantasy of taking away my gun you know it all fuck. Put all that superiority you demonstrate with your every utterance to work finding a way to make gansters stop shooting each other and innocent bystanders, and leave my gun, which has only been used to shoot milk cartons and a few rabbits the fuck alone!

[hanso]

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Check out Steven Seagal & Super Sheriff Joe Arpaio with his volunteer sex offender posse

https://www.recallarpaio.com/

[Syd]

complete horseshit, amazing that such a gun hater would ever try to use Heller in an argument. As for the rest of your slanted data, explain Kennesaw Georgia

oh man Syd said something bad about guns he's a gun hater!!!!

anyway

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons.

plainspeak: you don't get to carry assault rifles at ice cream socials at a kindergarten

oh and Kennesaw, you mean a county with low income disparity and a model fucking example of how the Gini coefficient is tied to crime?

well, if you are smart, you load the first shot with bird shot, which will stop a person but not kill them and wont go through walls. If you need to kill them, have the 2nd shot be beck and then it will be easy not to miss

Bird shot still penetrates drywall, though. A good indoor round is a beanbag rounds or rubber pellet round, they'll still puncture drywall but with much less chance of being deadly on the other side. If they ever legalize shotgun taser rounds, those would be optimal. Still semi-lethal but a much better chance of subduing someone. Or, just a taser itself but then you're back to using an inaccurate weapon in a high stress situation.

[Snoogans]

oh man Syd said something bad about guns he's a gun hater!!!!

anyway



plainspeak: you don't get to carry assault rifles at ice cream socials at a kindergarten

oh and Kennesaw, you mean a county with low income disparity and a model fucking example of how the Gini coefficient is tied to crime?



Bird shot still penetrates drywall, though. A good indoor round is a beanbag rounds or rubber pellet round, they'll still puncture drywall but with much less chance of being deadly on the other side. If they ever legalize shotgun taser rounds, those would be optimal. Still semi-lethal but a much better chance of subduing someone. Or, just a taser itself but then you're back to using an inaccurate weapon in a high stress situation.
it will go into drywall, not through it, and if it does, not with enough power to do anything

[deliciousV]

oh man Syd said something bad about guns he's a gun hater!!!!

anyway



plainspeak: you don't get to carry assault rifles at ice cream socials at a kindergarten

oh and Kennesaw, you mean a county with low income disparity and a model fucking example of how the Gini coefficient is tied to crime?



Bird shot still penetrates drywall, though. A good indoor round is a beanbag rounds or rubber pellet round, they'll still puncture drywall but with much less chance of being deadly on the other side. If they ever legalize shotgun taser rounds, those would be optimal. Still semi-lethal but a much better chance of subduing someone. Or, just a taser itself but then you're back to using an inaccurate weapon in a high stress situation.

no, the Kennesaw that made it a law that the head of every household must own a gun and saw crime drop after they passed the law and their population grow and grow. If your coefficient bullshit held any water crime stats should have remained constant being as the income disparity wasn't what changed, and based on your antigun propaganda crime rates and gun deaths should have skyrocketed with the introduction of so many guns.
There is nothing but evidence to the contrary for the hand ringing liberal horeshit you argue for, but it must be so because you think it is. In this country, the harsher the gun laws, the higher the crime, FACT, and you can't argue it. Guns are so widespread and a part of this countries heritage there is no way you could ever get them all, and until you can get them all, I'll keep mine, otherwise I'm under the thumb of the other guy. You sit there all helpless, like an infant, and hope that a real man with a gun will be there to save your ass if you ever need it, hate guns, then call 911 when you need one

[DarkHippie]

so being a nice person will stop you from gettin robbed?

I'm not so attached to my X-Box that I would kill a person, or be killed by a person, to defend it. If someone tries to break in, I would treat it the way I would a fire: go out the window and call 911. Let the professionals handle it.

I understand that in certain parts of the country, the police could never get there in time, but that's generally not an issue in new york.

[Snoogans]

I'm not so attached to my X-Box that I would kill a person, or be killed by a person, to defend it. If someone tries to break in, I would treat it the way I would a fire: go out the window and call 911. Let the professionals handle it.

I understand that in certain parts of the country, the police could never get there in time, but that's generally not an issue in new york.

you are aware that sometimes people will kill people anyway, even if they dont resist? You wont always know they are tryin to get in before they are in. Thats the point.

[deliciousV]

I'm not so attached to my X-Box that I would kill a person, or be killed by a person, to defend it. If someone tries to break in, I would treat it the way I would a fire: go out the window and call 911. Let the professionals handle it.

I understand that in certain parts of the country, the police could never get there in time, but that's generally not an issue in new york.

because my son sleeps upstairs I really don't have the option of retreat, if I hear somebody break in (I won't mistake my son for an intruder, he has a key and the alarm code) they can pretty much count on me shooting first and worrying about their motives later. SC is a Castle Doctrine state that recognizes that in the time it takes to determine whether an intruder is armed and has intent to do harm, they will probably have already done harm. I never want to fire a weapon at anybody, ever. And I don't care about my possesions, there is nothing here worth a life, but if somebody breaks in I don't have the luxury of detemining their intent while risking my family. Once I've identified that you don't belong, here comes the buckshot. The police are 10 to 15 minutes away, I can't hide and hope the bad guy doesn't go upstairs, or that my son doesn't come down to see what's happening.

[Syd]

no, the Kennesaw that made it a law that the head of every household must own a gun and saw crime drop after they passed the law and their population grow and grow. If your coefficient bullshit held any water crime stats should have remained constant being as the income disparity wasn't what changed, and based on your antigun propaganda crime rates and gun deaths should have skyrocketed with the introduction of so many guns.

you know that even cities like Detroit, East St Louis and Baltimore experienced the same drop in crime rates too, right? it's called the end of the crack epidemic

There is nothing but evidence to the contrary for the hand ringing liberal horeshit

I'm not a liberal, you moron. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them a liberal.

[Syd]

I'm not so attached to my X-Box that I would kill a person, or be killed by a person, to defend it. If someone tries to break in, I would treat it the way I would a fire: go out the window and call 911. Let the professionals handle it.

I understand that in certain parts of the country, the police could never get there in time, but that's generally not an issue in new york.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-kreider/gun-control-fear_b_1730284.html

it's a huffpo article, sure, but Kreider hits the nail on the head

It's this last talking point that always amazes me. It's so nakedly adolescent, a wish fulfillment so obviously cribbed from the payback scenes of action movies, that I can't believe that any grown up is unselfconscious enough to voice it out loud. It reminds me of those pro-torture arguments that posit a hypothetical scenario where we have a terrorist in captivity who knows there's a nuclear bomb set to detonate in Times Square in just 20 minutes -- ! This is not something that is ever going to happen in real life; this is something that happens on 24. What happens when you have a heavily-armed citizenry vigilantly on the lookout for dangerous criminals is not the climax of a Charles Bronson film -- it's Trayvon Martin.

I'm not above getting off on this kind of nasty fantasy; after my apartment was broken into and my laptop stolen I found myself wondering whether I hadn't been relying too much on my First Amendment rights and not enough on the second, imagining what would've happened if I'd been waiting there for the thief with a gun, soothing myself with pathetic little revenge scenarios of shooting the intruder -- only to realize I was now imagining murdering someone over a piece of merchandise worth about a thousand dollars retail, and realized I had gone temporarily insane. Instead, I got renter's insurance.

The chances of being a victim of crime are exceedingly low, especially if you're a white male. The chances of you being seriously injured while in the process of that violent crime is again, exceedingly low. But whatever, we're sold on being Jack Bauer with our handguns because TV is real life

[PapaBear]

because my son sleeps upstairs I really don't have the option of retreat, if I hear somebody break in (I won't mistake my son for an intruder, he has a key and the alarm code) they can pretty much count on me shooting first and worrying about their motives later. SC is a Castle Doctrine state that recognizes that in the time it takes to determine whether an intruder is armed and has intent to do harm, they will probably have already done harm. I never want to fire a weapon at anybody, ever. And I don't care about my possesions, there is nothing here worth a life, but if somebody breaks in I don't have the luxury of detemining their intent while risking my family. Once I've identified that you don't belong, here comes the buckshot. The police are 10 to 15 minutes away, I can't hide and hope the bad guy doesn't go upstairs, or that my son doesn't come down to see what's happening.
There's been a story in the news here lately that pertains to this, but I don't know if it should really be used as an example of what could go wrong with defending your home. The reason? The details are still too sketchy. There are more than a few people who don't believe this guy ever had intruders outside his house. I'll give you a rundown, then post some links.

The homeowner (in a fairly secluded rural neighborhood) says two men knocked on his door around midnight. Due to the late hour, the guy (a former cop) went to the door with his handgun. He says when he opened the door, one of the men had a shotgun. He says he struggled with them as he closed the door on them. Somehow, during the struggle, his teenage son was shot and killed.

The initial report was EXTREMELY sketchy. The police said they hadn't determined yet, if the son was killed by the shotgun or the father's handgun. It took over 3 months for the police to conclude that he was shot by the handgun. How is it difficult to determine the difference between a handgun wound and a shotgun wound?

Their preliminary report says that, when the father shut the door on the "intruders" his son came around the corner (inside the house) and the father was surprised by him, and accidentally shot him. The intruders then got into a vehicle and sped away.

It's a very tragic story, but it's not surprising that many people think he accidentally shot his son in some other manner, then made up the story about the intruders. But the police still stand by the theory that there were intruders, and they are still at large. No charges are being filed against the father at this time. You have to wonder how much the father's being an ex cop plays in this investigation.

Original story... (http://www.nvdaily.com/news/2012/11/sheriffs-investigators-release-sketch-of-shooting-suspect.php)

Latest report... (http://www.winchesterstar.com/article/breaka11)

[deliciousV]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-kreider/gun-control-fear_b_1730284.html

it's a huffpo article, sure, but Kreider hits the nail on the head



The chances of being a victim of crime are exceedingly low, especially ife a white male. The chances of you being seriously injured while in the process of that violent crime is again, exceedingly low. But whatever, we're sold on being Jack Bauer with our handguns because TV is real life

Fucks like you like to pretend that hundreds of times a year people don't actually defend themselves and their homes against intruders. You might have to search for them, but the stories are out there, they don't make national news but local press usually covers them.
And I'm sorry for assuming you were a liberal, I was actually being nice by not just calling you a socialist, one usually expects a socialist to be spouting "Gini coefficient " shit.
I think the thing that has angered me most about you is your arrogant smugness, your attitude that you can explain it all to us ignorant gun nuts. You live in theories but you don't know shit, what works in your imagination means nothing little boy.
You picked very little of what I said to dispute, and you disputed it with guesses and dipshit theory (Kennesaw Georgia's crime rate lowered faster and remained lower than those around them)
I'm gonna continue to enjoy my rights while theorists like you find ways to excuse true criminals.

[Syd]

Fucks like you like to pretend that hundreds of times a year people don't actually defend themselves and their homes against intruders. You might have to search for them, but the stories are out there, they don't make national news but local press usually covers them.
And I'm sorry for assuming you were a liberal, I was actually being nice by not just calling you a socialist, one usually expects a socialist to be spouting "Gini coefficient " shit.
I think the thing that has angered me most about you is your arrogant smugness, your attitude that you can explain it all to us ignorant gun nuts. You live in theories but you don't know shit, what works in your imagination means nothing little boy.
You picked very little of what I said to dispute, and you disputed it with guesses and dipshit theory (Kennesaw Georgia's crime rate lowered faster and remained lower than those around them)
I'm gonna continue to enjoy my rights while theorists like you find ways to excuse true criminals.

i'm not a socialist either :thumbup: keep trying to wrap your head around the fact that remarking about statistics doesn't make you something Rush calls people

either way, keep on thinking you're john mcclane or whatever other bullshit white male persecution fantasy but the very gun you worship is going to be used on someone you know because that's what the odds say

and I'm going to go sleep now without fear and paranoia in my heart because I don't buy into the bullshit the NRA is peddling that there are roving gangs of negroes out there waiting to break into your house and Steal Your Things and Then Kill You So You Better Go Buy Handguns

[deliciousV]

i'm not a socialist either :thumbup: keep trying to wrap your head around the fact that remarking about statistics doesn't make you something Rush calls people

either way, keep on thinking you're john mcclane or whatever other bullshit white male persecution fantasy but the very gun you worship is going to be used on someone you know because that's what the odds say
and I'm going to go sleep now without fear and paranoia in my heart because I don't buy into the bullshit the NRA is peddling that there are roving gangs of negroes out there waiting to break into your house and Steal Your Things and Then Kill You So You Better Go Buy Handguns

Socialism is the only logical outcome of this Gini coefficient you brought up. I wouldn't know what Rush calls people, I'll take your word for it.
Where are these "odds" you speak of? Please, for once, back something up, show your work.
I was sleeping soundly when you wrote this, I don't live in fear, nor do I believe that there are "Roving gangs" of any kind.
You didn't come to this thread to be in a conversation, you've offered no opinion. You came to be a condescending asshole, to poke the "gun nuts" and feel superior and more evolved.
I'm no gun worshipper, I only have one, a shotgun that was bought for hunting but is kept for protection. It is not paranoia to believe that in the highly unlikely event it became neccassary, I have the right and responsibilty to protect myself and my family with a gun if I want to. Your biggest problem is that you have a bunch of theories and statistics telling you how it should work, but no answer for the fact that everywhere in this country it's being tried it's making matters worse.

[Bob Impact]

no. Anti matter repels all matter. If you fired a regular matter bullet at it, once it got a bit close to it it would come back the other way at whoever shot it

Antimatter and matter annihilate each other on contact, meaning that even if we could get an antimatter force field down here that wasn't annihilated when it touched the atmosphere it would certainly be destroyed when we shot at it. This happens at 100% efficiency too, as compared to the 0.001% efficiency of a nuke. It also releases gamma rays, which means that we would also have a chance of turning someone into the Incredible Hulk.

What? This is exactly as scientific as the rest of what gets posted on here.

[Snoogans]

Antimatter and matter annihilate each other on contact, meaning that even if we could get an antimatter force field down here that wasn't annihilated when it touched the atmosphere it would certainly be destroyed when we shot at it. This happens at 100% efficiency too, as compared to the 0.001% efficiency of a nuke. It also releases gamma rays, which means that we would also have a chance of turning someone into the Incredible Hulk.

What? This is exactly as scientific as the rest of what gets posted on here.

it might annihilate my shield, but it will do the same to the bullets. Then I just get a new shield. FOOL PROOF

[deliciousV]

it might annihilate my shield, but it will do the same to the bullets. Then I just get a new shield. FOOL PROOF

except for all the gamma rays

[Snoogans]

except for all the gamma rays

i will cover my entire house behind the shields in the thing they make you wear when you get xrays. that sends the gamma rays away from my house, back at the people shooting at me.

[DarkHippie]

I see that the Politics forum hasn't changed :)

Seriously though. Different regions and situations create different attitudes towards guns. I only know what works for me. I think that different towns, counties, states, whatever, should be allowed to make their own laws about guns, and that people should respect those laws.

This is not a new thing. In the Wild West, it was pretty common to ban guns in town. Wyatt Earp was famous for keeping his towns gun free.

I also think that hand guns are much more of a threat than assault rifles. Hand guns are portable and concealable. They are much more suited for criminal activity that larger guns. You are never going to get mugged by a guy with a rifle. It's also much easier to commit suicide with a handgun.

Still, if you want to have a gun, I'm not gonna stop ya. Just keep it far away from me.

[spoon]

nobody is twisting anything, the supreme court ruled that the 2nd applies outside of the need for a militia, and the vast majority of guns have never been used to kill. You have the thought process of a 7 year old girl, one where you really believe utopia really can be, one where it is decided and then done that every gun just goes away. How can you ignore the simple fucking truth that no matter what you do, what laws you pass, you won't take the guns away from the inner city gang bangers who are doing nearly all the killing, you'll just leave the rest of us at their mercy.
Stop focusing on the fantasy of taking away my gun you know it all fuck. Put all that superiority you demonstrate with your every utterance to work finding a way to make gansters stop shooting each other and innocent bystanders, and leave my gun, which has only been used to shoot milk cartons and a few rabbits the fuck alone!


Wow, way to be the same thing u just ranted on, just from the other side. There is truth to both sides being distorted in huge ays for their own arguments. And if ur gun is for milk cartons and rabbits, well yah speaks for itself.

[Snoogans]

I see that the Politics forum hasn't changed :)

Seriously though. Different regions and situations create different attitudes towards guns. I only know what works for me. I think that different towns, counties, states, whatever, should be allowed to make their own laws about guns, and that people should respect those laws.

This is not a new thing. In the Wild West, it was pretty common to ban guns in town. Wyatt Earp was famous for keeping his towns gun free.

I also think that hand guns are much more of a threat than assault rifles. Hand guns are portable and concealable. They are much more suited for criminal activity that larger guns. You are never going to get mugged by a guy with a rifle. It's also much easier to commit suicide with a handgun.

Still, if you want to have a gun, I'm not gonna stop ya. Just keep it far away from me.
the point i was making wasnt about attitude, it was about reality. You can be the nicest person in the world, and have everyone love you, and its still not gonna be up to you whether guns are close to you. if someone decides to rob your house randomly and kill you, you are done for. thats the point, that your idea of not being an asshole to people really has an effect on anything. especially living in a city, where there are so many people around that there is a greater chance someone is a loon

[deliciousV]

I see that the Politics forum hasn't changed :)

Seriously though. Different regions and situations create different attitudes towards guns. I only know what works for me. I think that different towns, counties, states, whatever, should be allowed to make their own laws about guns, and that people should respect those laws.

This is not a new thing. In the Wild West, it was pretty common to ban guns in town. Wyatt Earp was famous for keeping his towns gun free.

I also think that hand guns are much more of a threat than assault rifles. Hand guns are portable and concealable. They are much more suited for criminal activity that larger guns. You are never going to get mugged by a guy with a rifle. It's also much easier to commit suicide with a handgun.

Still, if you want to have a gun, I'm not gonna stop ya. Just keep it far away from me.

I agree. I think if you live in a big city where the cops are never far away, and where there are neighborhoods you don't go into because you could get shot, you will have a very different opinion about guns than somebody living somewhere rural. I've said let states rights decide these things since we all started arguing about this. And I have said from the start that Obama pretending that a ban on assault rifles is going to make any differenc at all is intellectually dishonest. The numbers are easy to find, less than 400 people are killed with any kind of rifle a year, pistols in the hands of gang bangers is doing most of the killing, go get those and they make a giant dent in the problem, if they can't get those why fuck with people who aren't breaking the law?
I am for background checks and waiting periods.

[spoon]

no, the Kennesaw that made it a law that the head of every household must own a gun and saw crime drop after they passed the law and their population grow and grow. If your coefficient bullshit held any water crime stats should have remained constant being as the income disparity wasn't what changed, and based on your antigun propaganda crime rates and gun deaths should have skyrocketed with the introduction of so many guns.
There is nothing but evidence to the contrary for the hand ringing liberal horeshit you argue for, but it must be so because you think it is. In this country, the harsher the gun laws, the higher the crime, FACT, and you can't argue it. Guns are so widespread and a part of this countries heritage there is no way you could ever get them all, and until you can get them all, I'll keep mine, otherwise I'm under the thumb of the other guy. You sit there all helpless, like an infant, and hope that a real man with a gun will be there to save your ass if you ever need it, hate guns, then call 911 when you need one
Jesus DV, you just lose your shit out of nowhere way too often in this conversation. You know plenty if stats were presented against your argument, at least as much the other way, but you just dismiss or ignore them. So NOT FACT and cald down and realize the answer is in the middle. Nobody is going to fucking take your guns.

[deliciousV]

Wow, way to be the same thing u just ranted on, just from the other side. There is truth to both sides being distorted in huge ays for their own arguments. And if ur gun is for milk cartons and rabbits, well yah speaks for itself.

look, the guy set me off "tyranny defenders" and "kill toys", fuck him. And I've kept up with this thread pretty well, I haven't seen these stats you speak of. I said all my gun has ever been used for was milk cartons and rabbits, that doesn't mean that's its only purpose. I'm confused as to why you brought that up.

[DarkHippie]

I agree. I think if you live in a big city where the cops are never far away, and where there are neighborhoods you don't go into because you could get shot, you will have a very different opinion about guns than somebody living somewhere rural. I've said let states rights decide these things since we all started arguing about this. And I have said from the start that Obama pretending that a ban on assault rifles is going to make any differenc at all is intellectually dishonest. The numbers are easy to find, less than 400 people are killed with any kind of rifle a year, pistols in the hands of gang bangers is doing most of the killing, go get those and they make a giant dent in the problem, if they can't get those why fuck with people who aren't breaking the law?
I am for background checks and waiting periods.

I agree. I don't understand why there is so much backlash against background checks and waiting periods. It is the person behind the gun that is dangerous, not the gun itself. Background checks and waiting periods are in everyone's best interests.

honestly, the main reason why I wouldn't want a gun is because I have bi-polar syndrome. I would not want something that makes it that easy to kill myself around me. Sure, there are plenty of ways to kill myself, but pulling a trigger takes only a moment of weakness, and it's something that you can't take back.

[deliciousV]

Jesus DV, you just lose your shit out of nowhere way too often in this conversation. You know plenty if stats were presented against your argument, at least as much the other way, but you just dismiss or ignore them. So NOT FACT and cald down and realize the answer is in the middle. Nobody is going to fucking take your guns.

you are right, it's just that Hanso and Syd come here and talk down to people, they come off as so superior and more evolved, it fucking pisses me off. I don't get mad about normal conversation, give and take, it's just when these guys have nothing to give they turn to talking to me like I'm too far beneath them to bother with.

[Dude!]

it's just that Hanso and Syd come here and talk down to people, they come off as so superior and more evolved, it fucking pisses me off.

holy cow...hanso as more evolved?
how could anyone even remotely
suggest such a thing

on the evolutionary scale,
hanso is somewhere between
a garden slug and a toaster oven

[spoon]

you are right, it's just that Hanso and Syd come here and talk down to people, they come off as so superior and more evolved, it fucking pisses me off. I don't get mad about normal conversation, give and take, it's just when these guys have nothing to give they turn to talking to me like I'm too far beneath them to bother with.

I get what your saying, but tone and tact are tough to gauge on a m board, and syd is just very dry in his approach at all times. Truth be told, both sides push there side pf the data a d both come off as rigid to me. My milk and rabbits point was it was an example of down playing a much bigger issue or use/danger that both sides do. Not saying those guns should be gone, but your tagged exit line surely made out guns to be on the level of a one pump pellet gun and everyone on the other side and in between is just nuts.

Let's focus on what can reasonably be done, agree or not, bc we do have issues with guns and violence in this country. This may be reactionary to use the most recent tragedy as a focal point, but guns are at least part of the issue even if a tool...a tool that currently inflicts high levels of casualties. Checks and screenings actually being enforced, muchless training and testing like with drivers ed sounds like a start. Gun shows can't operate as they had in the past and my guess is numbers overall will go down if work and safety is involved those who truly want guns for the right reasons will still be able to acquire them and have them stored/cared for better.

[spoon]

holy cow...hanso as more evolved?
how could anyone even remotely
suggest such a thing

on the evolutionary scale,
hanso is somewhere between
a garden slug and a toaster oven

Both still miles above yourself.

[deliciousV]

I get what your saying, but tone and tact are tough to gauge on a m board, and syd is just very dry in his approach at all times. Truth be told, both sides push there side pf the data a d both come off as rigid to me. My milk and rabbits point was it was an example of down playing a much bigger issue or use/danger that both sides do. Not saying those guns should be gone, but your tagged exit line surely made out guns to be on the level of a one pump pellet gun and everyone on the other side and in between is just nuts.

Let's focus on what can reasonably be done, agree or not, bc we do have issues with guns and violence in this country. This may be reactionary to use the most recent tragedy as a focal point, but guns are at least part of the issue even if a tool...a tool that currently inflicts high levels of casualties. Checks and screenings actually being enforced, muchless training and testing like with drivers ed sounds like a start. Gun shows can't operate as they had in the past and my guess is numbers overall will go down if work and safety is involved those who truly want guns for the right reasons will still be able to acquire them and have them stored/cared for better.

this was not meant to be that, or downplay the seriousness of a weapon, I was responding to him calling guns "kill toys", pointing out the vast majority certainly are not used as such. Hell, I am serious with a BB gun.
All perfectly reasonable ideas. Along with keeping people who commit violent crimes locked up for their full sentence, and beefing up police presence in gang territory's and stiffer sentences for people cought with stolen or unregistered guns.

[Dell]

holy cow...hanso as more evolved?
how could anyone even remotely
suggest such a thing

on the evolutionary scale,
hanso is somewhere between
a garden slug and a toaster oven

I sure wish your lyrics rhymed...:happy:

[Syd]

you are right, it's just that Hanso and Syd come here and talk down to people

i'm not talking down, I'm just being a dick about how I say it because I want people to respond and talk about it and not just simply fuck off to another thread without replying

[deliciousV]

i'm not talking down, I'm just being a dick about how I say it because I want people to respond and talk about it and not just simply fuck off to another thread without replying

Nailed it!

[Bob Impact]

except for all the gamma rays

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[A.J.]

Antimatter and matter annihilate each other on contact, meaning that even if we could get an antimatter force field down here that wasn't annihilated when it touched the atmosphere it would certainly be destroyed when we shot at it. This happens at 100% efficiency too, as compared to the 0.001% efficiency of a nuke. It also releases gamma rays, which means that we would also have a chance of turning someone into the Incredible Hulk.

What? This is exactly as scientific as the rest of what gets posted on here.

You need the dilithium crystals to regulate that shit.

[spoon]

what a bunch of fucking dorks!

:innocent:

[hanso]

I framed a made up statement in theatrical comedy based on the letter of a document. Then get a response starting with name calling laced with being told what to do. (sure as hell wont even read crap like that) Yet this is a talking down to? OK what ever

Believe me I can talk down / dress up with the best of them but choose not to. Would sooner put someone on ignore then get in a flame war it's something I never engage in.



Hard to even debate on here w/o the name calling laced with being told what to do so fuck it I wont even try.

[hanso]

Wow, way to be the same thing u just ranted on, just from the other side. There is truth to both sides being distorted in huge ays for their own arguments. And if ur gun is for milk cartons and rabbits, well yah speaks for itself.

The main thing with me is 'tyrannical government is our own' (Ant will say this every gun rant) yet at the writing of this document we were not even a nation. That's what the document set up!

Also that the wording backs them to own/carry handguns when it was an interpretation of the SCOTUS that did not the wording in which they will take out of context as if it supports them

[DarkHippie]

It bothers me when people say that we are one step away from a dictatorship. We are much more likely to become an Oligarchy ;)

[deliciousV]

I framed a made up statement in theatrical comedy based on the letter of a document. Then get a response starting with name calling laced with being told what to do. (sure as hell wont even read crap like that) Yet this is a talking down to? OK what ever

Believe me I can talk down / dress up with the best of them but choose not to. Would sooner put someone on ignore then get in a flame war it's something I never engage in.



Hard to even debate on here w/o the name calling laced with being told what to do so fuck it I wont even try.

I responded in anger to the terms "tyranny fighters" and "murder toys", I shouldn't have called you names. The fact that I believe in the right to own a weapon doesn't make me some crazy survivalist, branch Davidian, gun toting wacko. I took those terms to mean that you were putting me in that mold. I don't foresee a revolution where a militia is needed anywhere in the near future, at the same time I don't think that a world where only the police and the government have guns is a good idea either.
Mostly I just believe the right to protect oneself and family is inherent, and as long as bad guys have guns I intend to have one. Is there a possibility that something could go wrong if I ever have to defend myself? Sure. But it is definite that things will go bad if I'm the victim of a violent attack and I don't have the means to try.

[spoon]

I framed a made up statement in theatrical comedy based on the letter of a document. Then get a response starting with name calling laced with being told what to do. (sure as hell wont even read crap like that) Yet this is a talking down to? OK what ever

Believe me I can talk down / dress up with the best of them but choose not to. Would sooner put someone on ignore then get in a flame war it's something I never engage in.



Hard to even debate on here w/o the name calling laced with being told what to do so fuck it I wont even try.

pussy

[DarkHippie]

pussy

Now I'm starvin

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Noted marksman Joe Biden weighs in again


I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don't need an AR-15 — it's harder to aim, it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!

A lot of double barrel shotguns hold only 2 rounds so what will you tell the invader. Hold on I have to reload?


Also if you fire into the air, there's a good chance that round especially if its a slug will come down and possibly hit someone.


The stupidity of Amtrak Joe is still on it's rails

[A.J.]

A shotgun is typically better because if an intruder hears it being racked, they'll think twice about coming in. You don't have to be spot-on with a shotgun.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Agreed, I was mocking him because of firing warning shots

[Misteriosa]

A shotgun is typically better because if an intruder hears it being racked, they'll think twice about coming in. You don't have to be spot-on with a shotgun.

^^^
all of this. the sound of a shotgun being racked is unmistakable. its very intimidating and the pellets can hit more than one target at a time. its also safer for home defense than the high powered rifles because, the scatter shots have a much smaller chance of passing thru the walls and hurting any one in the other rooms (such as hiding family members).

but thats just my opinion.

[Misteriosa]

Agreed, I was mocking him because of firing warning shots

whats wrong with firing warning shots?

[sailor]

whats wrong with firing warning shots?

Firing two if you've only got two is a bit silly. I also don't think it was clear he was telling his wife to fire warning shots.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Warning shots for an AR-15 I could understand because there are more rounds in the magazine

Also in a situation like that you don't want to waste time reloading shells if the invader doesn't heed the warning

[Misteriosa]

Firing two if you've only got two is a bit silly. I also don't think it was clear he was telling his wife to fire warning shots.

Warning shots for an AR-15 I could understand because there are more rounds in the magazine

Also in a situation like that you don't want to waste time reloading shells if the invader doesn't heed the warning

i was under the impression that a shotgun could hold 3 rounds. i would think one warning shot would be sufficient. after that, its your ass with the remaining shots.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If someone breaks into my place , they get no warning shots only a slug round.

There could be factors like for example the intruder might be on a drug binge and won't give a damn about warning shots. Some people might choose the AR-15. Now if you're a good shooter you'll be able to take him down.


I take issue when these know nothing's make comments like "You don't need an AR-15"


Biden is living in a bubble. He makes these comments and everyone makes excuses that it's good old Joe being Joe

[A.J.]

whats wrong with firing warning shots?

Ask the Blade Runner.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As bad as Obama is. Biden would be even worse

These idiot republicans calling for impeachment don't realize even if they take the senate and if somehow Obama is removed from office, look who we end up with

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As HUD sec. Sfaccim Junior should have said "No one needs 10% down to buy a house"

[hanso]

I responded in anger to the terms "tyranny fighters" and "murder toys", I shouldn't have called you names. The fact that I believe in the right to own a weapon doesn't make me some crazy survivalist, branch Davidian, gun toting wacko. I took those terms to mean that you were putting me in that mold. I don't foresee a revolution where a militia is needed anywhere in the near future, at the same time I don't think that a world where only the police and the government have guns is a good idea either.
Mostly I just believe the right to protect oneself and family is inherent, and as long as bad guys have guns I intend to have one. Is there a possibility that something could go wrong if I ever have to defend myself? Sure. But it is definite that things will go bad if I'm the victim of a violent attack and I don't have the means to try.

Seems to fit someone who states 'tyrannical government is our own'. The other term seemed to fit my commentary as it was somewhat outreaching, which I try not to do that often. It was not directed at anyone in particular.

[spoon]

^^^
all of this. the sound of a shotgun being racked is unmistakable. its very intimidating and the pellets can hit more than one target at a time. its also safer for home defense than the high powered rifles because, the scatter shots have a much smaller chance of passing thru the walls and hurting any one in the other rooms (such as hiding family members).

but thats just my opinion.

http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/this-is-my-boomstick-demotivational-poster-1242598575.jpg

the next NRA ad campaign...but great movie!

now the next one of you SAVAGES, as much as touches me!

[A.J.]

Love that fucking movie.

[hanso]

Noted marksman Joe Biden weighs in again


I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.’ … You don't need an AR-15 — it's harder to aim, it's harder to use, and in fact you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!

A lot of double barrel shotguns hold only 2 rounds so what will you tell the invader. Hold on I have to reload?


Also if you fire into the air, there's a good chance that round especially if its a slug will come down and possibly hit someone.


The stupidity of Amtrak Joe is still on it's rails

Worked for Ash in the movie Army of Darkness ( Evil Dead )

[deliciousV]

Seems to fit someone who states 'tyrannical government is our own'. The other term seemed to fit my commentary as it was somewhat outreaching, which I try not to do that often. It was not directed at anyone in particular.

I know I drink, a lot, but I'm pretty sure I've never said that. Sounds like WF to me

[hanso]

I know I drink, a lot, but I'm pretty sure I've never said that. Sounds like WF to me

Ant Cumia is a main stay

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If his was proposed in NYC, Would there be a 16 fluid ounce limit?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2281317/Colorado-college-sparks-controversy-advising-women-vomit-urinate-bid-stop-rapist-state-lawmakers-pass-banning-concealed-guns-campuses.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pseudo Intellectualism is the new intellectualism. More deadbeat politicians who think they know more than the peasants


Why are these male politicians obsessed with talking about rape?

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PS. When did the Nation Islam allow Hispanics?


How about this gem ?


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Chiefs and Commissioners are basically part of the bureaucracy. Rank and file patrolmen would laugh at that idiot.

[DarkHippie]

Pseudo Intellectualism is the new intellectualism. More deadbeat politicians who think they know more than the peasants


Why are these male politicians obsessed with talking about rape?

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PS. When did the Nation Islam allow Hispanics?


How about this gem ?


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Chiefs and Commissioners are basically part of the bureaucracy. Rank and file patrolmen would laugh at that idiot.

I have more than a few friends that are beat cops (go fig!), and to a man they say that civilians with guns make their jobs much more dangerous. The last thing they want are armed vigilantes putting more bullets in the air. You also don't know who is who when you first get to a scene, and might fire on someone that thinks he is trying to help.

Most of the cops that I know work with teens (I've worked in special ed for about a decade) and it creates an even greater dilemna when it's a minor with a gun. The emotional burden of shooting a child must be staggering, soul crushing, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Of course, if you are a human being, killing anyone will haunt you for the rest of your life. Life is far too precious to be so callously taken away.

[Dell]

I have more than a few friends that are beat cops (go fig!), and to a man they say that civilians with guns make their jobs much more dangerous. The last thing they want are armed vigilantes putting more bullets in the air. You also don't know who is who when you first get to a scene, and might fire on someone that thinks he is trying to help.

Most of the cops that I know work with teens (I've worked in special ed for about a decade) and it creates an even greater dilemna when it's a minor with a gun. The emotional burden of shooting a child must be staggering, soul crushing, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Of course, if you are a human being, killing anyone will haunt you for the rest of your life. Life is far too precious to be so callously taken away.

odd...my family and friends in law enforcement fear criminals with guns a lot more than law abiding citizens with guns (most of their citizen/civilian spouses have conceal-carry permits)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have more than a few friends that are beat cops (go fig!), and to a man they say that civilians with guns make their jobs much more dangerous. The last thing they want are armed vigilantes putting more bullets in the air. You also don't know who is who when you first get to a scene, and might fire on someone that thinks he is trying to help.

Most of the cops that I know work with teens (I've worked in special ed for about a decade) and it creates an even greater dilemna when it's a minor with a gun. The emotional burden of shooting a child must be staggering, soul crushing, something that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Of course, if you are a human being, killing anyone will haunt you for the rest of your life. Life is far too precious to be so callously taken away.

The huge majority of responsible legal gun owners wouldn't do anything like that and act like wanna be sheriffs.

I believe that rights have responsibilities and that people should take safety courses. Range practice should be done as well. The last thing you want is just some trigger happy nut who cant aim and doesn't know to fully operate, maintain and clean the weapon.

Most of us who own guns don't look to them as toys and people with children wouldn't allow them access to them. Sure there are some out there who aren't responsible like Jayson Williams, there are always a small percent who are irresponsible.

[DarkHippie]

odd...my family and friends in law enforcement fear criminals with guns a lot more than law abiding citizens with guns (most of their citizen/civilian spouses have conceal-carry permits)

that goes without saying, but armed civilians at a crime scene make the situation that much more complex, and thus, dangerous.

[Dell]

that goes without saying, but armed civilians at a crime scene make the situation that much more complex, and thus, dangerous.

when law enforcement gets to the scene, trained civilians ensure personal safety and lay down their arms...the law enforcement people I know only return fire when in doubt (I don't want trigger happy law enforcement anymore than trigger happy civilians or criminals)

[deliciousV]

that goes without saying, but armed civilians at a crime scene make the situation that much more complex, and thus, dangerous.

would it be better if they just showed up to secure the scene after unarmed civilians are killed? Surely, since you seem to believe that these are the supremely trained saviors of us all, they can be trained to handle a scene where an armed civilian has defended themselves. And a person defending themselves or their family is not a vigilante.

[Dell]

would it be better if they just showed up to secure the scene after unarmed civilians are killed? Surely, since you seem to believe that these are the supremely trained saviors of us all, they can be trained to handle a scene where an armed civilian has defended themselves. And a person defending themselves or their family is not a vigilante.

WHAT?!?!?!

competent law enforcement officers...what language are you speaking, sir DelV?

I thought all law enforcement officers just shot everyone that has a gun...heaven forbid they ever encounter a scene where plain clothed officers of the law are armed!

how would they ever discern the real threat...oh yeah, determining intent is a precursor to the use of deadly force

[spoon]

Pseudo Intellectualism is the new intellectualism. More deadbeat politicians who think they know more than the peasants.

Ha!

What you parrot may be as stupid as what you actually think...say it again WF. I wonder where this is being said, oh no worries, I hear it daily on WABC radio that you obviously tune into.

and that is odd Dell

soooooo odd, bc I would think one could clearly infer that civilians includes those that are law abiding and those that are not

[DarkHippie]

Surely, since you seem to believe that these are the supremely trained saviors of us all,

You were just complaining about people talking down to you. Don't do it to me.

[spoon]

would it be better if they just showed up to secure the scene after unarmed civilians are killed? Surely, since you seem to believe that these are the supremely trained saviors of us all, they can be trained to handle a scene where an armed civilian has defended themselves. And a person defending themselves or their family is not a vigilante.

Really DelV?

you truly are quite biased and over the top in everything you say in here

DH said nothing of the sort, it was another take you dismissed in a very douchey way

i've come to think in this thread your one step away from being another WF

[spoon]

WHAT?!?!?!

competent law enforcement officers...what language are you speaking, sir DelV?

I thought all law enforcement officers just shot everyone that has a gun...heaven forbid they ever encounter a scene where plain clothed officers of the law are armed!

how would they ever discern the real threat...oh yeah, determining intent is a precursor to the use of deadly force

and the idiot dominoes can not be stopped once again

great work

Dell has joined back in bc the catalyst got it going again

discussion used to happen here on this site

[spoon]

You were just complaining about people talking down to you. Don't do it to me.

beat me to it

sad really from DV, bc overall I like the guy

outside of these outbursts and his face fuck thread!

:innocent:

[DarkHippie]

As a general rule, I do trust the police more than a common citizen. i understand that they aren't perfect, but I know that they receive more training than most, and they have much more oversight.

[DarkHippie]

beat me to it

sad really from DV, bc overall I like the guy

outside of these outbursts and his face fuck thread!

:innocent:

It is really easy to lose your shit talking about politics. I save it for Yahoo News ;)

[deliciousV]

Really DelV?

you truly are quite biased and over the top in everything you say in here

DH said nothing of the sort, it was another take you dismissed in a very douchey way

i've come to think in this thread your one step away from being another WF

I have more than a few friends that are beat cops (go fig!), and to a man they say that civilians with guns make their jobs much more dangerous. The last thing they want are armed vigilantes putting more bullets in the air. You also don't know who is who when you first get to a scene, and might fire on someone that thinks he is trying to help.
.

that goes without saying, but armed civilians at a crime scene make the situation that much more complex, and thus, dangerous.

do you read what I'm responding to, or just look to jump on me? I was responding to Darkhippie's obvious trust in the police as protectors as opposed to an armed citizen. As for the WF comparison you are the flipside of WF, just as one sided.

[deliciousV]

and the idiot dominoes can not be stopped once again

great work

Dell has joined back in bc the catalyst got it going again

discussion used to happen here on this site

who's losing their shit now? Pot meet kettle

[Dell]

and the idiot dominoes can not be stopped once again

great work

Dell has joined back in bc the catalyst got it going again

discussion used to happen here on this site

again you offer nothing but derogatory comments of others...are you without opinion?

I offer opinion, granted with some tongue-in-cheek at the expense at those that offer nothing but rhetoric (i.e., spoon)...you have never offered "discussion"

[spoon]

do you read what I'm responding to, or just look to jump on me? I was responding to Darkhippie's obvious trust in the police as protectors as opposed to an armed citizen. As for the WF comparison you are the flipside of WF, just as one sided.

you have to be insane to say the guy who said we need more balance when making adjustments to gun policy and I'm NOT for a ban at all is the same as WF on the other side

in fact, most of my post only go in a direction to poke at the dead horse of idiocy that WF is beating to death...yet you know, keep trying

you lose your shit in this thread way too much and always have an excuse

we all know by now I refuse to even fathom the thought of taking WF or Dude serious again, in this thread you are close. you're very bipolar with good discussion one second, ignoring a person's oft mentioned stance another just to rant and go at them. nothing DH said warranted your response, much less your comparison for me.

[spoon]

who's losing their shit now? Pot meet kettle

bc Dell IS on the WF level here already and gets his worth from me

the guy just HAD to chime in as if DH ever took the liberty to put words like you did in his mouth

go at me, I set a precedent sure, but this bullshit was called out bc it was just that

not pot/kettle

it's called fire with fire

[spoon]

again you offer nothing but derogatory comments of others...are you without opinion?

I offer opinion, granted with some tongue-in-cheek at the expense at those that offer nothing but rhetoric (i.e., spoon)...you have never offered "discussion"

didn't I?

you offered jack and shit together wrapped in a nice douchey wrap

I have put out my take on this issue ad nauseum, but why pay attention to something that kills your baseless point.

it's amazing how far one will go to defend their stance on an issue, wonder what side DelV and Dell no v are on? Oh, just look at who they constantly lose their shit on for no reason. So yes, enjoy the ire directed at your WF wannabe actions.

[Dell]

bc Dell IS on the WF level here already and gets his worth from me

the guy just HAD to chime in as if DH ever took the liberty to put words like you did in his mouth

go at me, I set a precedent sure, but this bullshit was called out bc it was just that

not pot/kettle

it's called fire with fire

you have the MOST DELUSIONAL rants on this site...PERIOD!

you need some professional help...sad

[deliciousV]

you have to be insane to say the guy who said we need more balance when making adjustments to gun policy and I'm NOT for a ban at all is the same as WF on the other side

in fact, most of my post only go in a direction to poke at the dead horse of idiocy that WF is beating to death...yet you know, keep trying

you lose your shit in this thread way too much and always have an excuse

we all know by now I refuse to even fathom the thought of taking WF or Dude serious again, in this thread you are close. you're very bipolar with good discussion one second, ignoring a person's oft mentioned stance another just to rant and go at them. nothing DH said warranted your response, much less your comparison for me.

I never called DH any names, I thought it was a discussion, I merely showed the possible flip side to his argument about armed citizens at crime scenes, a crime scene can really only go 1 of 2 ways. I didn't feel that I showed any disrespect, and everything I said is consistent with my previously stated beliefs. You overreacted! And then I fought fire with fire.

[spoon]

you have the MOST DELUSIONAL rants on this site...PERIOD!

you need some professional help...sad

so sad

and hilarious

I'd love to see these "rants". I'm sure they have nothing behind them, much less will remind me of past fun.

[spoon]

Surely, since you seem to believe that these are the supremely trained saviors of us all,

You were just complaining about people talking down to you. Don't do it to me.

yes yes, even the person spoken too seemingly agrees with you

[Dell]

I never called DH any names, I thought it was a discussion, I merely showed the possible flip side to his argument about armed citizens at crime scenes, a crime scene can really only go 1 of 2 ways. I didn't feel that I showed any disrespect, and everything I said is consistent with my previously stated beliefs. You overreacted! And then I fought fire with fire.

the common letters in our names means I cannot have the same opinion as you, I think...and since they only say you are wrong and not what is right, maybe I shouldn't agree with your data-based arguments

[deliciousV]

You were just complaining about people talking down to you. Don't do it to me.

I could have worded that better, it was not my intent to talk down to you, but I guess I did. My point should have been that I find the Police to just be men with guns, they are prone to panic and make mistakes just like anyone else, I received extensive arms training in the military and have at least as much faith in myself as I do the police, not to mention the damage that could be done during their response time. And you did use the word "vigilante", which I wouldn't consider a person defending themselves in violent crime.

[spoon]

I could have worded that better, it was not my intent to talk down to you, but I guess I did. My point should have been that I find the Police to just be men with guns, they are prone to panic and make mistakes just like anyone else, I received extensive arms training in the military and have at least as much faith in myself as I do the police, not to mention the damage that could be done during their response time. And you did use the word "vigilante", which I wouldn't consider a person defending themselves in violent crime.

completely different now

and I'll add to your argument that many police from my hometown and now here out in NJ aren't exactly the best quality of humans I've come to know through my life. many got in via pure family connections/nepotism and many so bad I'm not even comfortable knowing they are the people to make such important life and death calls on the beat no matter how rare those moments are, much less the fact they carry loaded weapons. seriously, some of those I went to high school with that are now cops were/are complete head case assholes...yet others are some of the best for the job and seemingly born to do it. Basically I'm saying they too are just another generic cross-section of our population and there is merit to DelV's better worded argument.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ha!

What you parrot may be as stupid as what you actually think...say it again WF. I wonder where this is being said, oh no worries, I hear it daily on WABC radio that you obviously tune into.

and that is odd Dell

soooooo odd, bc I would think one could clearly infer that civilians includes those that are law abiding and those that are not

Can you stop squawking and stop saying WABC?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

didn't I?

you offered jack and shit together wrapped in a nice douchey wrap

I have put out my take on this issue ad nauseum, but why pay attention to something that kills your baseless point.

it's amazing how far one will go to defend their stance on an issue, wonder what side DelV and Dell no v are on? Oh, just look at who they constantly lose their shit on for no reason. So yes, enjoy the ire directed at your WF wannabe actions.

Have you ever handled weapons? Do you know how to fire a gun and hit a target?

You're just nauseating

You just post ridiculous rants here and try to talk people down, but it doesn't work with me and when you're refuted you bring up lines like WABC.

[hanso]

You have to have shot a gun to shoot your mouth of here

[DarkHippie]

If guns were allowed in this thread, everyone would be dead by now

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Senior Citizen 1 Thug 0


http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/21237261/homeowner-kills-intruder-in-oak-cliff-home




"He could have used a warning," Lakesha Thompson, Pipkins' sister-in-law, said. "He could have let him know that he did have a gun on his property and he would use it in self-defense."

I guess she listened to Biden

[A.J.]

Senior Citizen 1 Thug 0


http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/21237261/homeowner-kills-intruder-in-oak-cliff-home




"He could have used a warning," Lakesha Thompson, Pipkins' sister-in-law, said. "He could have let him know that he did have a gun on his property and he would use it in self-defense."

I guess she listened to Biden

After police notified relatives of Pipkins' death, some showed up at the house. They were upset, and questioned the homeowner's actions.

How dare he shoot an innocent man who broke into his home!

Pipkins had a lengthy criminal record. He served time in prison and was convicted of theft, possession of a Controlled Substance and criminal trespassing.

Oh wait.

[Jujubees2]

Woman shot by oven while trying to cook waffles (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles?lite)

Let's see. Where did I leave that magazine? Oh yeah, in the oven...

[A.J.]

Woman shot by oven while trying to cook waffles (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles?lite)

Let's see. Where did I leave that magazine? Oh yeah, in the oven...

Yep: Florida.

[Snoogans]

Woman shot by oven while trying to cook waffles (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles?lite)

Let's see. Where did I leave that magazine? Oh yeah, in the oven...

best part: Sandy wasn't charged because he had a proper concealed weapons permit, The Tampa Tribune reported.

[Jujubees2]

best part: Sandy wasn't charged because he had a proper concealed weapons permit, The Tampa Tribune reported.

I know what Aalaya is getting JJ for his birthday this year


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[deliciousV]

Woman shot by oven while trying to cook waffles (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/21/17045722-woman-shot-by-oven-while-trying-to-cook-waffles?lite)

Let's see. Where did I leave that magazine? Oh yeah, in the oven...

guns don't shoot people, ovens do

[Syd]

How dare he shoot an innocent man who broke into his home

fun fact: no one in America is above the law (unless they're rich, in which case they are, but they're still investigated for wrongdoings by the police)

go back to communist Russia with your bullshit oblast leader can do whatever they want bullshit

[WRESTLINGFAN]

fun fact: no one in America is above the law (unless they're rich, in which case they are, but they're still investigated for wrongdoings by the police)

go back to communist Russia with your bullshit oblast leader can do whatever they want bullshit

Robert Chambers disagrees.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/536966_435619586516314_102376957_n.jpg

[Judge Smails]

Have you ever handled weapons? Do you know how to fire a gun and hit a target?

You're just nauseating

You just post ridiculous rants here and try to talk people down, but it doesn't work with me and when you're refuted you bring up lines like WABC.

http://i.imgur.com/RoDQ3Dj.gif

[spoon]

Can you stop squawking and stop saying WABC?

ha! you repeat EVERYTHING huh?

bottom line, you stop repeating my take on you AND WABC, perhaps I'll stop calling it out

deal fucko?

[spoon]

Have you ever handled weapons? Do you know how to fire a gun and hit a target?

You're just nauseating

You just post ridiculous rants here and try to talk people down, but it doesn't work with me and when you're refuted you bring up lines like WABC.

first off, would it matter a-team special ops WF?

secondly, of course I have...I go skeet shooting in Camp David all the time!

finally, I've been refuted?!...much less by YOU!? AHahahahaahahahaha! and I was ripping your STUPID repeat line of the week bullshit all over the place, what exactly was I just refuted on, much less the possibility for it you dumb fuck.

not to mention we are talking fucking opinion here overall dip shit, not some concrete definitive plan of action that MUST be done or any proven concept whatsoever

but as "you" say, pseudo-intellectualism is the new intellectualism so perhaps you nailed it

:lol:

[spoon]

You have to have shot a gun to shoot your mouth of here

:lol:

[spoon]

Yep: Florida.

:lol: again

[spoon]

best part: Sandy wasn't charged because he had a proper concealed weapons permit, The Tampa Tribune reported.

:lol: #4

[spoon]

guns don't shoot people, ovens do

:lol: high five!:bye:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

first off, would it matter a-team special ops WF?

secondly, of course I have...I go skeet shooting in Camp David all the time!

finally, I've been refuted?!...much less by YOU!? AHahahahaahahahaha!

not to mention we are talking fucking opinion here dip shit, not some concrete definitive plan of action that MUST be done of any proven concept whatsoever

but as "you" say, pseudo-intellectualism is the new intellectualism so perhaps you nailed it

:lol:


Sgt Spoon of the 101st Keyboard brigade

[spoon]

http://i.imgur.com/RoDQ3Dj.gif

:lol:

6 shooter!

pun-tacular!

[spoon]

Sgt Spoon of the 101st Keyboard brigade

good one

:wallbash:

numero uno

[deliciousV]

:lol: high five!:bye:

Hmmm, high 5 back.....is this some sort of trap?

[spoon]

Hmmm, high 5 back.....is this some sort of trap?


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[deliciousV]

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http://www.metalsucks.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/facefuck.jpg

I knew it!

[spoon]

this better!?

http://1.asset.soup.io/asset/1629/4945_23e4.gif

[deliciousV]

this better!?

http://1.asset.soup.io/asset/1629/4945_23e4.gif

Definitely a trap worth getting caught in!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

These fuckers have some set of cajones on them. Fuck em. We are babysitting their unwanted and their extended families and they still complain.



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[hanso]

Arz. has no gun registrations? May as well file off serial numbers then no need for those

[Snoogans]

Definitely a trap worth getting caught in!

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[A.J.]

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Yeah but a half hour later you're horny again.

[spoon]

Yeah but a half hour later you're horny again.

half hour

you must be older than I thought hans

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More selective editing.


I am a big critic of McCain , however this was dishonesty and MS National Barack Channel picked up on this.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02/24/distorted-video-makes-mccain-look-heartless-over-mass-shooting.html

[spoon]

Msnbc...get it!

Oof!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Selective editing?


http://www.mediaite.com/tv/did-abc-news-edit-michelle-obamas-claim-an-automatic-weapon-killed-chicago-teen-abc-responds-to-charge/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540941_10151292037655773_1129388152_n.jpg

[brettmojo]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/540941_10151292037655773_1129388152_n.jpg

Isn't that what the mailmen drive now in Chicago?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

According to the low info, low IQ voter self defense isn't an option. Honor is being a victim.


Then again look at her hat.



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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oscar Pistorius took Joe's advice and look what happened.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/more-advice-from-joe-biden-just-fire-the-shotgun-through-the-door/article/2522791

[hanso]

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

A gun owner in Florida was arrested on Wednesday after he opened fire at a suspected Walmart shoplifter because he said he felt threatened and wanted to “mark” the man’s car for police.

As unarmed 42-year-old Eddie McKee allegedly ran from an Orange City Walmart with stolen merchandise, 35-year-old Jose Martinez pulled out his gun and fired at least five bullets, according to WKMG.

“I saw one black gentleman running from the parking lot, he dove in his car,” a caller told 911. “And there were two older gentlemen chasing him down. One drew a gun, ripped open the guys car door and screamed, ‘Freeze, freeze, don’t move!’ And then fired shots.”

[hanso]

Texas school worker shot during district-sponsored gun training

A school employee in east Texas was shot on Wednesday during a district-sponsored handgun safety training class that was designed to get more guns in public schools.

The Tyler Morning Telegraph on Thursday reported that Van Independent School District school board member Leslie Goode confirmed that “there was an accident involving one of the employees today.”

According to KLTV, multiple sources identified the employee as Glenn Geddie, a maintenance worker for the district.

“At the conclusion of the CHL training on February 27, 2013, one certified person stayed for private instruction with the instructor and had a mechanical malfunction with his weapon,” Van Independent School District said in a statement. “With the assistance of the instructor, the malfunction was addressed, but the gun misfired and the bullet ricocheted coming back to strike the VISD employee in the left leg.”

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Homeowner beats Burglars



http://www.khou.com/news/Police-Man-catches-3-juvenile-suspects-inside-northwest-home-193598561.html

[brettmojo]

Homeowner beats Burglars



http://www.khou.com/news/Police-Man-catches-3-juvenile-suspects-inside-northwest-home-193598561.html

Didn't need a 30 round clip either.

[deliciousV]

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/department-of-justice-report-finds-gun-control-proposals-ineffective/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Beyoncé tickets anyone?


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/27/guns-for-beyonce-tickets-new-york-buyback-program_n_2773997.html

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought it was only the so called assault weapons that were weapons of war that need to be off the street


Slippery slope people. Next it will be rifles and eventually pistols.

The expert marksman Biden told people to buy a shotgun.

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2013/03/01/popular-standard-shotgun-could-be-banned-under-proposed-bill/

[DarkHippie]

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

A gun owner in Florida was arrested on Wednesday after he opened fire at a suspected Walmart shoplifter because he said he felt threatened and wanted to “mark” the man’s car for police.

As unarmed 42-year-old Eddie McKee allegedly ran from an Orange City Walmart with stolen merchandise, 35-year-old Jose Martinez pulled out his gun and fired at least five bullets, according to WKMG.

“I saw one black gentleman running from the parking lot, he dove in his car,” a caller told 911. “And there were two older gentlemen chasing him down. One drew a gun, ripped open the guys car door and screamed, ‘Freeze, freeze, don’t move!’ And then fired shots.”

Responsible gun ownership

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Student suspended for stopping a shooting


http://www.rttnews.com/2069338/hero-student-suspended-after-wrestling-gun-from-classmate.aspx?type=gn&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=sitemap

[hanso]

NRA Sponsors Its First NASCAR Sprint Cup Race, The NRA 500, At Texas Motor Speedway

Not that much of a race fan but I take this to mean there will be a NRA shootout.

[deliciousV]

NRA Sponsors Its First NASCAR Sprint Cup Race, The NRA 500, At Texas Motor Speedway

Not that much of a race fan but I take this to mean there will be a NRA shootout.

this really isn't a very big deal. The winner of the Sprint car race in Texas traditionally gets a pair of 6 shooters to go along with the Brinks truck full of money.

[spoon]

this really isn't a very big deal. The winner of the Sprint car race in Texas traditionally gets a pair of 6 shooters to go along with the Brinks truck full of money.

Don't forget instant high blood pressure, an all expense weekend at the Niggerhead Hunting Camp and of course a personally autographed George W Bush coke spoon.

[spoon]

my bad, north camp pasture

ha!

[deliciousV]

Don't forget instant high blood pressure, an all expense weekend at the Niggerhead Hunting Camp and of course a personally autographed George W Bush coke spoon.

really? Wow

[PapaBear]

Nowhere near as bad, but Virginia has a Negro Creek and Mulatto Run.

[spoon]

i had the mulato runs last week!

[PapaBear]

i had the mulato runs last week!
Too much dairy in your diet.

[deliciousV]

Don't forget instant high blood pressure, an all expense weekend at the Niggerhead Hunting Camp and of course a personally autographed George W Bush coke spoon.

Sold out Nascar races take place in , NY, DEL, NH, MICH, IND, CAL, AZ, VEGAS, KS, CHICAGO, and the Pocono's. these account for around half of the races every season. It's no longer the sport of rednecks.

[Snoogans]

Sold out Nascar races take place in , NY, DEL, NH, MICH, IND, CAL, AZ, VEGAS, KS, CHICAGO, and the Pocono's. these account for around half of the races every season. It's no longer the sport of rednecks.

you are aware that everyone one of those places has TONS of rednecks right. And the race thats in NY is in western NY. Dont act like these are anywhere near NY city. The closest one is Pocono but for the race, thats just full of PA rednecks.

You are aware that a LARGE portion of the fans at each nascar race drive there in trailers and take trips and usually its not mostly people from the area the race is in

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In NY anything north of the Tappan Zee is country

[deliciousV]

you are aware that everyone one of those places has TONS of rednecks right. And the race thats in NY is in western NY. Dont act like these are anywhere near NY city. The closest one is Pocono but for the race, thats just full of PA rednecks.

You are aware that a LARGE portion of the fans at each nascar race drive there in trailers and take trips and usually its not mostly people from the area the race is in

you Yankees hate stereotyping, except when it's your own.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I grew up in Westcher county which is about 20 minutes from manhattan

Some people consider that to be upstate even though it's the suburbs

outside the 5 boros and long island rural areas are common in NY

[Snoogans]

you Yankees hate stereotyping, except when it's your own.

what are you talkin about? to get from NY city to watkins glen is like a 7 hour drive. Pocono is over 2 hours. There are places in NJ that love nascar and are full of rednecks. The area you are tryin to apply it too, the NYC area, really doesnt have that

[deliciousV]

what are you talkin about? to get from NY city to watkins glen is like a 7 hour drive. Pocono is over 2 hours. There are places in NJ that love nascar and are full of rednecks. The area you are tryin to apply it too, the NYC area, really doesnt have that

I'm talking about the fact that it is a stereotype to assume that anybody who enjoys Nascar is a redneck.

[Snoogans]

I'm talking about the fact that it is a stereotype to assume that anybody who enjoys Nascar is a redneck.

no, i was responding to what you said:

Sold out Nascar races take place in , NY, DEL, NH, MICH, IND, CAL, AZ, VEGAS, KS, CHICAGO, and the Pocono's. these account for around half of the races every season. It's no longer the sport of rednecks.

im just pointing out that you are assuming just cause its in city type places that they arent rednecks

[deliciousV]

no, i was responding to what you said:

Sold out Nascar races take place in , NY, DEL, NH, MICH, IND, CAL, AZ, VEGAS, KS, CHICAGO, and the Pocono's. these account for around half of the races every season. It's no longer the sport of rednecks.

im just pointing out that you are assuming just cause its in city type places that they arent rednecks

And when I wrote that I was responding to Spoon's post that obviously insinuated that Nascar, and it's drivers were racist rednecks. STEREOTYPE.
It's time to recognize that the south is mostly filled with transplants from the north, and is no more or less racist than the north. And that the whole concept of a "redneck" is just elitist bullshit. Why is it OK to classify hard working people with a stereotype, but not others?

[spoon]

you Yankees hate stereotyping, except when it's your own.

yah, especially since all my JOKES were TEXAS SPECIFIC you fuck!

love you DelV

thanks for playing

:innocent:

[spoon]

And when I wrote that I was responding to Spoon's post that obviously insinuated that Nascar, and it's drivers were racist rednecks. STEREOTYPE.
It's time to recognize that the south is mostly filled with transplants from the north, and is no more or less racist than the north. And that the whole concept of a "redneck" is just elitist bullshit. Why is it OK to classify hard working people with a stereotype, but not others?

NOPE, you're wrong!

someone has a itchy trigger finger...pun intended

why so quick to fly off the handle on this topic DelV...and I have no issues with Nascar. I actually enjoy it and live CLOSE to NYC

[deliciousV]

NOPE, you're wrong!

glad you cleared that up

[spoon]

well you were, completely

missed that pitch by at least 2 feet and your convo with snoogans couldn't be more off

just another fly off the handle thing you seem to do when you get defensive of the south and or stereotypes about it all too often

my joke was making fun of Texas, not the south, not even Nascar

but whatever, lose your shit again...here, all guns should be banned*



*this point may or may not be an actual view of the poster in question

[deliciousV]

well you were, completely

missed that pitch by at least 2 feet and your convo with snoogans couldn't be more off

just another fly off the handle thing you seem to do when you get defensive of the south and or stereotypes about it all too often

my joke was making fun of Texas, not the south, not even Nascar

but whatever, lose your shit again...here, all guns should be banned*



*this point may or may not be an actual view of the poster in question

the Niggerhead Hunting Camp

clearly I flew off the handle and had no reason to think you were insinuating that Nascar fans were rednecks and racist.

[PapaBear]

A little off subject, but I bet NASCAR would have much less of a redneck stereotype, if the TV networks stopped pandering to rednecks with the way they do their coverage.

[spoon]

A little off subject, but I bet NASCAR would have much less of a redneck stereotype, if the TV networks stopped pandering to rednecks with the way they do their coverage.

i agree with this in a big way

bc in reality, why not market to the youth now in a big way...what kid/guy doesn't love fucking cars! fast ones for that matter...the broadcasts are quite stereotypical of what most outsiders would pin on the sport to say the least. go get'em digger!

[PapaBear]

Boogity Boogity Boogity!!!

[spoon]

Boogity Boogity Boogity!!!

was JUST about to put that

so now instead I just wiped it under the counter

[deliciousV]

i agree with this in a big way

bc in reality, why not market to the youth now in a big way...what kid/guy doesn't love fucking cars! fast ones for that matter...the broadcasts are quite stereotypical of what most outsiders would pin on the sport to say the least. go get'em digger!

you speak truth, they tried a couple of years ago to use more modern rock ,and pop music in the rejoiners, they even had some rock/pop bands perform in the infield before races, it didn't work out so well. The Nascar crowd is more of a 3 Doors Down crowd these days.

[deliciousV]

Boogity Boogity Boogity!!!

I actually mute my TV when Fox is covering a race, and the green flag flies. I don't mind listening to DW add color to the race, but that stupid catch phrase just makes me sad.

[PapaBear]

you speak truth, they tried a couple of years ago to use more modern rock ,and pop music in the rejoiners, they even had some rock/pop bands perform in the infield before races, it didn't work out so well. The Nascar crowd is more of a 3 Doors Down crowd these days.
They need a lot more than a change in the music. They need to change EVERYTHING. Starting with DW.

[deliciousV]

They need a lot more than a change in the music. They need to change EVERYTHING. Starting with DW.

they will, it will evolve. But as of now they have more of a country music / southern rock crowd. And, as I said, I don't mind DW's commentary, mostly because he was a driver and has some pretty funny stories. But the truth be told I enjoy Wally Dallenbach during the TNT coverage, then Dale Jarrett during the ABC/ESPN coverage much more than DW. The problem with TNT is they show more commercials than race. Espn does fine.

[spoon]

I honestly don't mind DW either, just just need more contrast to him. He's an old guard type guy they need to mix with something more forward demo based. Not too forced either, but perhaps another angle on the whole sport yet not so far as to off put the regs too. For every hick racer these days in the sport, there is another from Cali/the northeast or at least not the complete stix. Show and embrace some of that more and you'll help evolve the overall feel of nascar in a win win type way. The hard core fans might get irked, but in reality, where are they going?

[deliciousV]

I honestly don't mind DW either, just just need more contrast to him. He's an old guard type guy they need to mix with something more forward demo based. Not too forced either, but perhaps another angle on the whole sport yet not so far as to off put the regs too. For every hick racer these days in the sport, there is another from Cali/the northeast or at least not the complete stix. Show and embrace some of that more and you'll help evolve the overall feel of nascar in a win win type way. The hard core fans might get irked, but in reality, where are they going?

I agree, that's why I enjoy the TNT coverage the most, minus the constant commercials, they have Wally Dallenbach and Kyle Petty, both ex drivers, but one sounds fairly mid west, and the other has a touch of the southern twang.

[spoon]

they still need a Jimmy Johnson/Jeff Gordon type up there with a DW or so

they still haven't found that missing piece who isn't a good old boy/driver

[spoon]

It's like the minorities the GOP lines up as their own...at least TRY to embrace someone who isn't just the black or brown version of what you are...perhaps a different angle, bc those Nascar DOES employ, well let's just say if the tv wasn't on you would think it was DW's family talking

[deliciousV]

they still need a Jimmy Johnson/Jeff Gordon type up there with a DW or so

they still haven't found that missing piece who isn't a good old boy/driver

that'll happen soon, plenty of non southern drivers driving now, one of them will end up in the booth eventually.

[deliciousV]

It's like the minorities the GOP lines up as their own...at least TRY to embrace someone who isn't just the black or brown version of what you are...perhaps a different angle, bc those Nascar DOES employ, well let's just say if the tv wasn't on you would think it was DW's family talking

I can't lie, I was born in, and most of my family is from KY, And I mean the sticks. So DW and his brother just sound like family to me, other than the "boogity boogity boogity" it just sounds like home. But I recognize the need for more neutral accents if the sport is going to shake off it's bootlegging past. At the same time I have no problem with them keeping a bit of their southern roots.

[spoon]

you don't have to preach that to me

I sure as shit HATE the over adjustments MLB and the NFL have made to add fans and ignore the core/base already there

and I sure as shit DO NOT give two fucks how popular the NHL gets versus the importance to keep it's roots and allow the physical hitting game and yes fighting as well. I'd rather be the 5th popular sport and keep the greatness it has/it's roots versus being some ass backward manifestation just to add some more fringe fuck fans

[Syd]

Fighting is pretty goddamn stupid, it hasn't been relevant since the instigator penalty and the pace/talent level of the game has escalated so quickly that the enforcers are dudes who can't even skate for more than 3 minutes a night without being a major liability.

Just put in another box behind penalty box and have a boxing match behind it, because that's how relevant to the game fighting is nowadays.

[Snoogans]

they still need a Jimmy Johnson/Jeff Gordon type up there with a DW or so

they still haven't found that missing piece who isn't a good old boy/driver

BORIS SAID

[deliciousV]

BORIS SAID

DICK TRICKLE

[spoon]

Fighting is pretty goddamn stupid, it hasn't been relevant since the instigator penalty and the pace/talent level of the game has escalated so quickly that the enforcers are dudes who can't even skate for more than 3 minutes a night without being a major liability.

Just put in another box behind penalty box and have a boxing match behind it, because that's how relevant to the game fighting is nowadays.

no

[Jujubees2]

Cop assigned to guard NY high school in wake of Sandy Hook massacre suspended after gun goes off in hallway (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/school-guard-suspended-gun-hallway-article-1.1282242#ixzz2MyFSSlJR)

[brettmojo]

Cop assigned to guard NY high school in wake of Sandy Hook massacre suspended after gun goes off in hallway (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/school-guard-suspended-gun-hallway-article-1.1282242#ixzz2MyFSSlJR)

This would have never happened if the hallway had a gun.

[spoon]

Ha! Good hall with gun!

[disneyspy]

This would have never happened if the hallway had a gun.

the hallway was a bad guy tho

[brettmojo]

the hallway was a bad guy tho

They should have armed the drinking fountain.

[spoon]

They should have armed the drinking fountain.

no silly, the mop!

[Syd]

no

Yes, or at least make the penalty "if you win the fight the other guy has to be on the ice for at least 10 minutes of the game" so that staged fights have some impact on the outcome by having Punch Cantskate the enforcer be the liability he should be

[spoon]

still no

[hanso]

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[deliciousV]

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this is no laughing matter, that woman could have kegelled and killed someone

[spoon]

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"Hey, don't knock it till you try it...I know someone who can fit a machine gun in there."

Now that's news anchoring!

[deliciousV]

"Hey, don't knock it till you try it...I know someone who can fit a machine gun in there."

Now that's news anchoring!

better hope it doesn't have a cunt hair trigger, one queef and she could blow her own feet off

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mark Kelly aka Mr Gabby Giffords was caught buying an AR-15



His Excuse was that he was buying it to hand it over to the police. He also bought one of the most lethal pistols around but he will be keeping that.



Why does he need to do that? The cops have more powerful weapons than a semi auto. Kelly was exposed as a fraud and he comes up with some lame reasoning for buying the weapon.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Will schools ban maps of Florida and Hawaii?

Last week a kid got suspended because his pop tart looked like a gun , so they say

In Michigan a kids birthday cupcakes caused hysteria because there were those plastic toy soldiers on top of them.


I was shocked that schools allow cupcakes. Wasn't there some imitative to ban them during the Clinton admin?

[spoon]

Mark Kelly aka Mr Gabby Giffords was caught buying an AR-15



His Excuse was that he was buying it to hand it over to the police. He also bought one of the most lethal pistols around but he will be keeping that.



Why does he need to do that? The cops have more powerful weapons than a semi auto. Kelly was exposed as a fraud and he comes up with some lame reasoning for buying the weapon.

perhaps bc his wife got shot in the fucking face

you know, there's that

[spoon]

and so the spiral digs deeper

[spoon]

Will schools ban maps of Florida and Hawaii?



go one

[WRESTLINGFAN]

perhaps bc his wife got shot in the fucking face

you know, there's that

Kelly testified on the hill within days of buying the AR

Also he is against people having an AR but he buys a powerful handgun. He came up with a bad excuse when confronted .

[deliciousV]

Mark Kelly aka Mr Gabby Giffords was caught buying an AR-15



His Excuse was that he was buying it to hand it over to the police. He also bought one of the most lethal pistols around but he will be keeping that.



Why does he need to do that? The cops have more powerful weapons than a semi auto. Kelly was exposed as a fraud and he comes up with some lame reasoning for buying the weapon.

I don't think you can call the man a fraud, he lived thru the trauma of seeing his wife get shot, it's natural that he'd consider pretty much everybody with a gun a threat and want that threat removed, he knows he's not the threat. I don't think we can expect him to realize that the majority of legal gun owners have pretty much the same motivation, not after what he's been thru. He gets a pass as far as I'm concerned.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why would he buy an AR 15 then? If he's against civilians owning them he shouldn't have bought one. I'm not buying his excuse of that he was going to give it to the police

Even if he bought one and Giffords was never shot. Why open himself to scrutiny. If I was someone who thought AR's shouldn't be owned by civilians , I would never consider even looking at one.

[deliciousV]

Why would he buy an AR 15 then? If he's against civilians owning them he shouldn't have bought one. I'm not buying his excuse of that he was going to give it to the police

Even if he bought one and Giffords was never shot. Why open himself to scrutiny. If I was someone who thought AR's shouldn't be owned by civilians , I would never consider even looking at one.

he could have bought it for a photo op, when turning it in, or he could be planning to keep it. I understand the air of hypocrisy it creates, but I'm saying I wouldn't expect him to behave rationally at this point, most of us have never had somebody try to kill us or our family, he has. I know it's not completely logical but he feels like he needs it more than we do, I understand your concerns, I'm just not willing to judge him at this point.

[PapaBear]

Even if he bought one and Giffords was never shot. Why open himself to scrutiny. If I was someone who thought AR's shouldn't be owned by civilians , I would never consider even looking at one.
Did he ever go on record as being against them before she was shot? After all, before she was shot, Giffords was a popular Senator with the NRA. A+ rating, and everything.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not sure. I think Kelly was still an active Naval Astronaut at the time of the shooting


Kirsten Gillebrand was a bluedog democrat from central NY which is more of a red region of NY ,way before the Giffords shooting but when she was appointed to Hillary's senate seat she became a puppet of Chuck Schumer

[PapaBear]

Not sure. I think Kelly was still an active Naval Astronaut at the time of the shooting


Kirsten Gillebrand was a bluedog democrat from central NY which is more of a red region of NY ,way before the Giffords shooting but when she was appointed to Hillary's senate seat she became a puppet of Chuck Schumer
I don't see how being an astronaut would give you reason to be worried about how buying a legal gun is perceived. He was never in the gun debate spotlight, until his pro gun wife was shot. I'm not seeing the point of your argument.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kelly I believe was still an active duty Captain in the navy. It's custom not to be overtly political while still in the military especially during active military operations

What was Giffords shot with? I don't recall it being a semi auto rifle

[PapaBear]

Even if he bought one and Giffords was never shot. Why open himself to scrutiny. If I was someone who thought AR's shouldn't be owned by civilians , I would never consider even looking at one.
This is the statement I've been trying to figure out. If she was never shot, and he wasn't known to be against civilian ownership of AR-15's, then why would he be the slightest bit worried about scrutiny?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My question is why did he buy an AR?

The cops already are militarized . What would giving them a semi auto do to the debate?

[PapaBear]

My question is why did he buy an AR?

The cops already are militarized . What would giving them a semi auto do to the debate?
The question I addressed is about opening himself up to scrutiny. If she had never been shot, the only people who would even know of his existence, are NASA junkies. There would be no reason for him to be concerned about scrutiny. He would just be some guy buying a legal gun. If anything, it would have helped his wife's already positive image with the NRA.

[deliciousV]

This is the statement I've been trying to figure out. If she was never shot, and he wasn't known to be against civilian ownership of AR-15's, then why would he be the slightest bit worried about scrutiny?

I think the part you're missing is that since she got shot her and her husband have been all about the gun control.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The question I addressed is about opening himself up to scrutiny. If she had never been shot, the only people who would even know of his existence, are NASA junkies. There would be no reason for him to be concerned about scrutiny. He would just be some guy buying a legal gun. If anything, it would have helped his wife's already positive image with the NRA.



The guns that the advocates want banned are AR-15's and others that look "scary" to people who really don't know that much about them

I know Kelly has seen his share of weapons but my argument is why would he open himself up to all of this?

[PapaBear]

I think the part you're missing is that since she got shot her and her husband have been all about the gun control.
I'm not missing that at all. He brought up the scenario of, if she hadn't been shot, why would he put himself in this position. I'm asking, if she hadn't been shot, then why would he have any reason to worry about it at all? What was the point of his hypothetical question?

[deliciousV]

I'm not missing that at all. He brought up the scenario of, if she hadn't been shot, why would he put himself in this position. I'm asking, if she hadn't been shot, then why would he have any reason to worry about it at all? What was the point of his hypothetical question?

oh, well then it appears I missed something. Sorry sir. (I'm not sure he ever has a point)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was there an official report of what weapons was used in Newtown? I've read conflicting stories about Lanza keeping the .223 in his car

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm not missing that at all. He brought up the scenario of, if she hadn't been shot, why would he put himself in this position. I'm asking, if she hadn't been shot, then why would he have any reason to worry about it at all? What was the point of his hypothetical question?



What weapon was used to shoot Giffords?

Kelly testified about assault weapons. If you're going on the hill to discuss a serious topic and then buy the same weapon you believe should be banned common sense is that youre just opening yourself up to being questioned