2013 MLB Season thread

[underdog]

Thanks for the warm sentiment.

You were dumb for defending him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cubs and Yankees discussing trading Soriano

[realmenhatelife]

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Self righteous bullshitting douchebag

[MHasegawa]

Cubs and Yankees discussing trading Soriano

im sure they're both discussing a trip to the DL let's say around mid-August.

[A.J.]

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Self righteous bullshitting douchebag

Yeah, that didn't seem kosher.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax remain the best Jewish ball players of all time

[KnoxHarrington]

If the standings end up the way they are now, and the Red Sox, Rays, and Orioles all make the playoffs from the AL East while the Yankees don't, I might not stop laughing.

[spoon]

Tb will be there in the end and both wcs may come from the east, just not the jays. Boooo

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yankees should write this season off. Too bad they can't unload some of the big contracts like the Sox did last year.

Cashman should be shopping Cano. The bandwagoners can blow me. He's not a 200 million + player

[A.J.]

Tb will be there in the end and both wcs may come from the east, just not the jays. Boooo

The AL East will go down to the last game of the season.

[spoon]

Yankees should write this season off. Too bad they can't unload some of the big contracts like the Sox did last year.

Cashman should be shopping Cano. The bandwagoners can blow me. He's not a 200 million + player


Soooooll, disagree with u and they are "bandwagoners"? Ha! So says the driver of said wagon! U can't want or like Cano to stay is hilarious. They should trade arod's needles for harvey and wright! Fan style!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea Wagoners 1995 and later.

Cano is a streaky player. He doesn't hustle on grounders and he's not on the level of a Miguel Cabrera

He's an 18mm player a year tops. Plus he will be 32. If anything Yankees should offer him 5 years at most


Just got an Alert. A Rod looking to cut deal with MLB

The evidence is even bigger than the ones against Braun

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The AL East will go down to the last game of the season.



That last night in 2011 was epic. People still bring up the Yanks v Rays game

[hanso]

Braun takes he suspension without an appeal.

They must have something pretty solid.

Heard today they got even more on Arod


The night before news broke they had Braun close up for at bats playing Rays. I noticed something in his eyes, like he can't be trusted or was hiding something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Braun loses endorsement


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9502633/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-pulled-endorser-convenience-store-chain-kwik-trip

[epo]

Braun loses endorsement


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9502633/ryan-braun-milwaukee-brewers-pulled-endorser-convenience-store-chain-kwik-trip

It's not like he had a lot of endorsements to start with. When MLB violated the players agreement and leaked the original case prior to appeal, he lost all national marketing ability.

[spoon]

So for once mlb did something right

[A.J.]

So for once mlb did something right

Under the wonderful stewardship of our beloved Comissioner.

[brettmojo]

Yes let's trade Cano... While we're at it lets see what we can get for Rivera like the callers on WFAN want... Maybe Matt Harvey and David Wright straight up for Cano and Rivera. Hell we can probably get both just for Rivera and then package Soriano with Cano for Manny Machado, Adam Jones and Nick Markakis.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea let's have Cashman act like a pussy and give Cano 10 years and 250 million.
Gotta keep that payroll bloated .


Over 2 billion paid out since 2000 and only 1 WS title

Giving people over 30, 10 year deals have worked out well. Good luck watching a 37 year old Cano hit .260 at best.

[spoon]

Ou man, poor guy hitting .260 at almost 40!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pujols will be 40 and batting .260. His contract is backloaded

Hamilton will be in his late 30's making. 32 million his final year

[Snoogans]

Yes let's trade Cano... While we're at it lets see what we can get for Rivera like the callers on WFAN want... Maybe Matt Harvey and David Wright straight up for Cano and Rivera. Hell we can probably get both just for Rivera and then package Soriano with Cano for Manny Machado, Adam Jones and Nick Markakis.

someone on the FAN called up francessa and said the yankees should trade for Johan Santana and make him a closer when Mo retires. Francessa had NO idea it was a complete goof call, and went off on one of his awesome tirades about how stupid that would be.

Ironically, about an hour later, someone (i think the same guy) called up and said the Yankees should trade ARod and Hughes to the Mets for Harvey and David Wright and I though mike was seriously gonna have a heart attack.

[cougarjake13]

I was listening to O and A's podcast the other day and they did a mash up of callers who called francesa with these stupid trades

[newport king]

someone on the FAN called up francessa and said the yankees should trade for Johan Santana and make him a closer when Mo retires. Francessa had NO idea it was a complete goof call, and went off on one of his awesome tirades about how stupid that would be.

Ironically, about an hour later, someone (i think the same guy) called up and said the Yankees should trade ARod and Hughes to the Mets for Harvey and David Wright and I though mike was seriously gonna have a heart attack.


Those are the fuckin best. And when he fell asleep on air and 3 days later he had to admit to it. You know, its not like theres cameras in the studio.

"Mike what do you think about brandon inge?"

[A.J.]

someone on the FAN called up francessa and said the yankees should trade for Johan Santana and make him a closer when Mo retires. Francessa had NO idea it was a complete goof call, and went off on one of his awesome tirades about how stupid that would be.

Ironically, about an hour later, someone (i think the same guy) called up and said the Yankees should trade ARod and Hughes to the Mets for Harvey and David Wright and I though mike was seriously gonna have a heart attack.

Miss Bulldogcakes.

[hanso]

Young marlins team, last nights outfield ages 21/22/23 and pitcher 20

[Jujubees2]

Young marlins team, last nights outfield ages 21/22/23 and pitcher 20

The more important number for the Marlins is that none of them is making over $600,000 this year

[hanso]

The more important number for the Marlins is that none of them is making over $600,000 this year

They won.


also this

Tim Lincecum followed up his 148-pitch no-hitter by getting shelled for eight runs in 3 2/3 innings by the Reds on Monday.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Young marlins team, last nights outfield ages 21/22/23 and pitcher 20



Still want A Rod and a box of syringes ? Yanks and Marlins can make the trade

[spoon]

Miss Bulldogcakes.

Mrs.

she's married

[spoon]

Young marlins team, last nights outfield ages 21/22/23 and pitcher 20

like I said in the past, the Marlins got some good prospects in the Jay trade for mostly hired guns they just paid cash for and a pitcher who was leaving anyway (Johnson)...perhaps people can look at this trade now without their immediate reaction to cloud their judgement?

Marisnick, Yelich and Staton is one hell of an outfield in the future, yet I do think Marisnick is being brought up too early at this point and needs some more seasoning. Hech was already a sweet fielding SS with a light bat who needed to work on his on-base percentage and finding the holes and gaps...which he's doing thus far with his avg up over .250 and ob% almost up to .300. Still needs work at the plate, but man is he smooth in the field.

[realmenhatelife]

like I said in the past, the Marlins got some good prospects in the Jay trade for mostly hired guns they just paid cash for and a pitcher who was leaving anyway (Johnson)...perhaps people can look at this trade now without their immediate reaction to cloud their judgement?

Marisnick, Yelich and Staton is one hell of an outfield in the future, yet I do think Marisnick is being brought up too early at this point and needs some more seasoning. Hech was already a sweet fielding SS with a light bat who needed to work on his on-base percentage and finding the holes and gaps...which he's doing thus far with his avg up over .250 and ob% almost up to .300. Still needs work at the plate, but man is he smooth in the field.

Isn't the problem with that trade that they completely blew everything up a season after their rebrand/new taxpayer financed stadium without trying to retool first? I dont have any problem with rebuilding but thats a pretty egregious heel turn when you have a notoriously indifferent fanbase and you're in the midst of your big chance to build interest in your team, and you owe them some revenue.

[spoon]

sure, but you are not getting those free agents if you tell them the stadium wasn't the only rebuild

and going to florida at this point, to the marlins and not expect these things is just fucking stupid to me

it's like going to philly and complaining about the fans

[realmenhatelife]

sure, but you are not getting those free agents if you tell them the stadium wasn't the only rebuild

and going to florida at this point, to the marlins and not expect these things is just fucking stupid to me

it's like going to philly and complaining about the fans

The phillies are a perfect example though because while there is still a tradition of griping that old, hack philly fan stereotype blew up with the vet. They built a nice park, drafted good prospects and signed guys like Jim Thome and it turned the fanbase around. The old timey battery hucking boo birds just arent there anymore.

Everyone knows they signed a bunch of guns to go with their new stadium and make an immediate run at it, and you hire Ozzie Guillen saying we know he's batshit but you're comitted to winning and you trust him to win. Then turn around and say 'nah nevermind bro, fuck it, rebuild.' No one is going to show up for such a conflicted product because that shit never wins. Good moves are not universally good moves, they probably owed it another season atleast.

[hanso]

Still want A Rod and a box of syringes ? Yanks and Marlins can make the trade

That was before biogenesis, he looks to be getting more than braun. It comes down to how much yanks would pay his way. He should go to Japan, they want him.

[hanso]

like I said in the past, the Marlins got some good prospects in the Jay trade for mostly hired guns they just paid cash for and a pitcher who was leaving anyway (Johnson)...perhaps people can look at this trade now without their immediate reaction to cloud their judgement?

Marisnick, Yelich and Staton is one hell of an outfield in the future, yet I do think Marisnick is being brought up too early at this point and needs some more seasoning. Hech was already a sweet fielding SS with a light bat who needed to work on his on-base percentage and finding the holes and gaps...which he's doing thus far with his avg up over .250 and ob% almost up to .300. Still needs work at the plate, but man is he smooth in the field.

Any of these guys from the trade? I only know of two guys that play for the team from the trade, not by name though.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How does that work if Yanks cut ties with him. I'm sure with a contract like that , there's a lot of legalese.

I'm thinking they have some sort of insurance for situations like that

[Snoogans]

like I said in the past, the Marlins got some good prospects in the Jay trade for mostly hired guns they just paid cash for and a pitcher who was leaving anyway (Johnson)...perhaps people can look at this trade now without their immediate reaction to cloud their judgement?

Marisnick, Yelich and Staton is one hell of an outfield in the future, yet I do think Marisnick is being brought up too early at this point and needs some more seasoning. Hech was already a sweet fielding SS with a light bat who needed to work on his on-base percentage and finding the holes and gaps...which he's doing thus far with his avg up over .250 and ob% almost up to .300. Still needs work at the plate, but man is he smooth in the field.

they arent keeping stanton. He is due for arbitration. If he isnt dealt in the next week, he will be dealt in the offseason. He hates it there and asked out anyway

[Snoogans]

How does that work if Yanks cut ties with him. I'm sure with a contract like that , there's a lot of legalese.

I'm thinking they have some sort of insurance for situations like that

if he gets suspended, you guys will get to keep whatever money you didnt have to pay him for the time he was out. Once he comes back he gets the rest, if he comes back.

In terms of terminating the contract, it aint gonna happen. The only way the Yankees get off without paying him is if he retires before he plays another game for the yankees, and says its because of injuries. He would get the rest of his money but insurance would pay the yankees for it.

Otherwise, if you just release him, you have to write him a check for every dollar left on the deal, unless he agrees to take less in a buy out

[epo]

if he gets suspended, you guys will get to keep whatever money you didnt have to pay him for the time he was out. Once he comes back he gets the rest, if he comes back.

In terms of terminating the contract, it aint gonna happen. The only way the Yankees get off without paying him is if he retires before he plays another game for the yankees, and says its because of injuries. He would get the rest of his money but insurance would pay the yankees for it.

Otherwise, if you just release him, you have to write him a check for every dollar left on the deal, unless he agrees to take less in a buy out

You are 100% correct.

[Snoogans]

You are 100% correct.

at least braun is young enough that he might still be able to contribute to you guys for that 100 mill. The yankees owe arod 117 and he is like 50 years old

[A.J.]

at least braun is young enough that he might still be able to contribute to you guys for that 100 mill. The yankees owe arod 117 and he is like 50 years old

He has the hip of a 75 year old.

[Snoogans]

He has the hip of a 75 year old.

if i was him i would just retire and say its that. Take the money, go down to Miami or wherever and just chill. Fuck it

[A.J.]

if i was him i would just retire and say its that. Take the money, go down to Miami or wherever and just chill. Fuck it

Not with that ego of his. Plus he's about 100 hits away from 3,000.

[Snoogans]

Not with that ego of his. Plus he's about 100 hits away from 3,000.

yea but that doesnt even matter anymore. go on, take the money, and run

[MHasegawa]

I can just picture A-Rod on vacation with Bobby Bonilla somewhere.

[underdog]

He has the hip of a 75 year old.

Imagine how great he would have been if he had stayed full force with the steroids.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I can just picture A-Rod on vacation with Bobby Bonilla somewhere.

How many years left do the Mets have to pay Bobby Bo out?

[hanso]

Every time WF rails on Pujols he does well on that date, i find it funny.

went 3/5 home run and rbi

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He will probably get 30 and 100 but he is no longer the feared hitter anymore


Last year he batted .285 hes at .254 today

The Cards are doing very well without him. They have one of the best records in baseball while the Angels won't make the postseason again this year.

[newport king]

How many years left do the Mets have to pay Bobby Bo out?


22 years. Receives 1.2MM every July 1st till 7/1/35. But before we point and laugh at Mets buffoonery, this deal was made when the returns on the 6MM or so he was owed originally would have been around 75-80MM with Madoff. So at the time it wouldve been a +50MM investment. I can't kill the Wilpons on that. And good for Bonilla and his agent. Probably the smartest thing ive heard an athlete do.

[newport king]

Not with that ego of his. Plus he's about 100 hits away from 3,000.


All tainted numbers are thrown out. At least in public opinion.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

30 years ago today. Pine tar game

[Snoogans]

How many years left do the Mets have to pay Bobby Bo out?

until 2035

[Snoogans]

22 years. Receives 1.2MM every July 1st till 7/1/35. But before we point and laugh at Mets buffoonery, this deal was made when the returns on the 6MM or so he was owed originally would have been around 75-80MM with Madoff. So at the time it wouldve been a +50MM investment. I can't kill the Wilpons on that. And good for Bonilla and his agent. Probably the smartest thing ive heard an athlete do.

you should kill the wilpons for relying on a fuckin ponzi scheme to pay off player differments

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yankee related stuff I usually post in that thread but this just adds to the A Rod situation

Cashman alleges that A Rod violated CBA by getting 2nd opinion on quad injury.

This entire saga is getting worse by the day

[newport king]

you should kill the wilpons for relying on a fuckin ponzi scheme to pay off player differments


They didnt KNOW it was a Ponzi scheme. I hate having to defend them

[spoon]

Any of these guys from the trade? I only know of two guys that play for the team from the trade, not by name though.

Hech and Marisnick yes.

There are others, but these two are up right now.

[Snoogans]

They didnt KNOW it was a Ponzi scheme. I hate having to defend them

ok but you dont get back 25-30% on an investment and not know something isnt right. Seriously, everyone of those people in his scam were fuckin retarded

[spoon]

ok but you dont get back 25-30% on an investment and not know something isnt right. Seriously, everyone of those people in his scam were fuckin retarded

I've made better plenty of times with the market, especially as it churns as it has of late. Sure it was suspect back in the dog days of the market, but by all accounts, it was monitored and those key factors missed it all and failed to hear the concerns of plenty that the guy wasn't on the up and up. Regulation missed it all, bc what should be, simply wasn't really in place as many wanted.

[hanso]

Yankee related stuff I usually post in that thread but this just adds to the A Rod situation

Cashman alleges that A Rod violated CBA by getting 2nd opinion on quad injury.

This entire saga is getting worse by the day

If I remember right arod made that same tweet himself that he felt ok, and that caused a shit storm not too long ago.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If I remember right arod made that same tweet himself that he felt ok, and that caused a shit storm not too long ago.

Yup, Cashman blew up on Twitter then apologized

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Matt Kemp to DL again

[newport king]

Cashman really is a terrible GM and just a dumb guy. The NYY will wind up paying every red cent of that contract.

[hanso]

Colon just tied for most wins time to give him the Braun treatment.

[foodcourtdruide]

Cashman really is a terrible GM and just a dumb guy. The NYY will wind up paying every red cent of that contract.

Is Cashman a bad GM?

I think it's hard to argue with the Yankees success (even throwing the massive payroll into the equation). However, it seems like Cashman's strategy is just to throw A LOT of low cost veterans into the mix and ride them while they're hot. I think he's gotten lucky more than anything in the past few years, and when it's come time to make hard baseball decisions he's failed.

For example, they started the year with basically no starting catcher, their outfield depth was a joke (they got extremely LUCKY with a productive V Wells for the first month of the season) and they really had no depth for their two most at risk injury positions SS/3B.

I think the only reason the Yankees aren't a sub .500 team is because short-term Cashman can throw a little money at problems, however, long term their outlook is terrible. They have a weak farm system (imo), the a-rod contract will haunt them for several more years, they're going to have to pay Cano A-LOT of money to stay, and their pitching is OLD. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees weren't competitive for the next decade.

[hanso]

From what I hear if A-rod gets paid it's due to the CBA

[spoon]

No, Cashman is a bad GM. Yet with this system it takes a complete fool in his position to fully shit to bed. He's getting close.

[hanso]

WF Pujols has been hurt all season. Keep bashing him if you like. When you do he plays well which helps my fantasy team.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pujols is going to have to start juicing if he wants to get back to old form

[cougarjake13]

Pujols is going to have to start juicing if he wants to get back to old form


u mean go back to dont ya

[newport king]

Is Cashman a bad GM?

I think it's hard to argue with the Yankees success (even throwing the massive payroll into the equation). However, it seems like Cashman's strategy is just to throw A LOT of low cost veterans into the mix and ride them while they're hot. I think he's gotten lucky more than anything in the past few years, and when it's come time to make hard baseball decisions he's failed.

For example, they started the year with basically no starting catcher, their outfield depth was a joke (they got extremely LUCKY with a productive V Wells for the first month of the season) and they really had no depth for their two most at risk injury positions SS/3B.

I think the only reason the Yankees aren't a sub .500 team is because short-term Cashman can throw a little money at problems, however, long term their outlook is terrible. They have a weak farm system (imo), the a-rod contract will haunt them for several more years, they're going to have to pay Cano A-LOT of money to stay, and their pitching is OLD. I wouldn't be surprised if the Yankees weren't competitive for the next decade.


Has he signed a pitcher that has worked out? Besides out bidding everyone for CC and a roided up Clemens. I remember one year they went into the season without a lefty in the bullpen.

Its really not hard to be a GM with an open checkbook and have no creativity.

When he signed Burnett he was a #3 AT BEST. And thats because he only had Halladay around to help. They completely fucked up Joba.

More importantly, the way hes handled this Arod thing, the guy is absurd. Theyre basically committing insurance fraud if he doesnt play

[newport king]

And now since Soriano is 0-8 since coming back he says he didnt want him. He only made the move because Hal Steinbrenner wanted him. How does this guy still have a job?

[cougarjake13]

no one else will take it ?

[spoon]

Has he signed a pitcher that has worked out? Besides out bidding everyone for CC and a roided up Clemens. I remember one year they went into the season without a lefty in the bullpen.

Its really not hard to be a GM with an open checkbook and have no creativity.

When he signed Burnett he was a #3 AT BEST. And thats because he only had Halladay around to help. They completely fucked up Joba.

More importantly, the way hes handled this Arod thing, the guy is absurd. Theyre basically committing insurance fraud if he doesnt play

well the two things that included the Jays aren't exactly the whole story

he traded for Clemens and pretty much only gave up Homer Bush...not bad despite the bullshit roids

as for AJ, he was pretty much our ace that final year in Toronto when Halladay got injured. He was stellar when he had to step up further, not to mention he was a huge part of their title in my mind that year...and most teams would sign up now for a title if they had to outlast a contract a touch off on pay. His is scrutinized a TON but still not that bad even though he is a POS in Toronto fan eyes for a real reason.

[spoon]

And now since Soriano is 0-8 since coming back he says he didnt want him. He only made the move because Hal Steinbrenner wanted him. How does this guy still have a job?

if he did really say this, even if true, I can't see him sticking around and ever getting another GM gig. he undercuts his owners all the time, his scouts and players...right or wrong, it's not what a GM should be doing in public and still being employed by the team.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The annual Cliff Lee trade talks are in the mix but no buyers. Also read that they are looking to trade Utley.

[hanso]

Pujols is going to have to start juicing if he wants to get back to old form

Well that's what it was used for initially. He is said to be going on the DL today.

[spoon]

The annual Cliff Lee trade talks are in the mix but no buyers. Also read that they are looking to trade Utley.

that's funny

he really does get involved in trade talks every year

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well that's what it was used for initially. He is said to be going on the DL today.

The Marlins were going to offer him 10 at 275 million according to some MLB insiders. I'm sure they are glad they pulled the plug on that. Then again there wouldn't have been a no trade clause.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's funny

he really does get involved in trade talks every year


You guys want him up north? I know he has a bunch of teams that he would block a trade to. Are the Jays one of them?


Note to Cashman. Please don't think about Lee.

[foodcourtdruide]

Has he signed a pitcher that has worked out? Besides out bidding everyone for CC and a roided up Clemens. I remember one year they went into the season without a lefty in the bullpen.

Its really not hard to be a GM with an open checkbook and have no creativity.

When he signed Burnett he was a #3 AT BEST. And thats because he only had Halladay around to help. They completely fucked up Joba.

More importantly, the way hes handled this Arod thing, the guy is absurd. Theyre basically committing insurance fraud if he doesnt play

I think the Kuroda signing and re-signing was a really good one. I agree with you on everything else though. I think he's gotten lucky with an oversized checkbook a few times (Ibanez is an example of this).

Not signing Russell Martin this season was a huge mistake, iMO. Has he developed any good young pitching? People knock Alderson, but the whole starting staff is homegrown and even at this moment pretty good (it will likely get better with the return of Niese and maturing of Wheeler).

[spoon]

You guys want him up north? I know he has a bunch of teams that he would block a trade to. Are the Jays one of them?


Note to Cashman. Please don't think about Lee.

why would the Jays trade for him?

they are in no place to make that move and for what?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Lee trade talks always heat up in the offseason as well.

2014 could be an option

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think the Dodgers are one of the teams he can block. That would be a better move since they have been playing better and lead the west now.
Plus they can pick up his freight like with the Mega trade with the Sox last year

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tino Martinez quits his post as Marlins hitting coach accusations of him verbally abusing players

[hanso]

Tino Martinez quits his post as Marlins hitting coach accusations of him verbally abusing players

And choked rookie player dietrich.

[realmenhatelife]

They're trying to sign Utley to an extension so if they cant then maybe he comes up for post deadline trades. And Amaro has said they dont plan on trading Lee. I think they think their best shot at winning is to have Lee Hamels and that Cuban they just signed as the big arms and then banking that their kids come around. Lee and Utley would sell a lot of tickets for a team probably not making the post season for the next few years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And choked rookie player dietrich.



Didn't hear that. Maybe he called him the BamTino

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're trying to sign Utley to an extension so if they cant then maybe he comes up for post deadline trades. And Amaro has said they dont plan on trading Lee. I think they think their best shot at winning is to have Lee Hamels and that Cuban they just signed as the big arms and then banking that their kids come around. Lee and Utley would sell a lot of tickets for a team probably not making the post season for the next few years.



Think Doc is done ? Saw that he's been throwing off the mound but the trend for shoulder injuries have not been good

[realmenhatelife]

Think Doc is done ? Saw that he's been throwing off the mound but the trend for shoulder injuries have not been good

I cant imagine Doc signing for what they'd be offering him.

[spoon]

He has often taken less than his value when an absolute stud. I'm sure he'd take a fair offer with either the Phils or Jays. I'd take him back in a heartbeat at this point...he'd be labeled healthy on this rotation.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Word is that Papelbon wants out of Philly but they would probably have to eat most of his contract

[hanso]

Word is Arod working deal with MLB: admit everything banned this year and next. Or face a life time ban.


just heard this on jj mohrs show

[spoon]

Word is Arod working deal with MLB: admit everything banned this year and next. Or face a life time ban.


just heard this on jj mohrs show

yah, heard the same

wow

couldn't happen to a bigger cheating douche

yet in the end, the guy has more money in his bank account than this whole board combined times 100...probably a lot more

[Snoogans]

yah, heard the same

wow

couldn't happen to a bigger cheating douche

yet in the end, the guy has more money in his bank account than this whole board combined times 100...probably a lot more

and, ok lets say he takes the deal. He loses whatever 5-8 mill he has left this year. Then he loses like 28 mill next year. OK, he still has about 80 million coming to him in the 3 years after that. So honestly, it would hurt, but would it really hurt that bad when he would still have 80 mill coming. He could literally lose every asset and dollar he has over the next 18 months and would still be guaranteed to make enough money to live the rest of his life after that

[spoon]

and live is putting it lightly

however, don't think he's happy and it doesn't sting

the more you make, the more you want in that world...and guys like him and Tiger probably never stop thinking about that money just disappearing...haunting I bet

to us, it seems easy bc it's an unreal amount of money...yet they live on different levels financially and trust me it stings, a lot

[A.J.]

I hope that ARod follows Pete Rose's example of how to make money off of his shame: go up to Cooperstown and Vegas to hawk his autograph, do some appearances on RAW, maybe do a shitty reality series.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Can he play in Japan while suspended if he takes the deal or does CBA block it?

[hanso]

The Marlins were going to offer him 10 at 275 million according to some MLB insiders. I'm sure they are glad they pulled the plug on that. Then again there wouldn't have been a no trade clause.

200 and also a 10 year deal all signings are no trades that is what kept him away I think.

The whole of Marlins active players pay is less then what he will get in 2021.


Can he play in Japan while suspended if he takes the deal or does CBA block it?

Didn't Manny of someone like him who also was in the same kinda spot do that ? Maybe the suspension starts when a team takes the player on the team in Manny's case. Yanks may have breach of contract or whatever to let him be free agent as well

[WRESTLINGFAN]

200 and also a 10 year deal all signings are no trades that is what kept him away I think.

The whole of Marlins active players pay is less then what he will get in 2021.




Didn't Manny of someone like him who also was in the same kinda spot do that ? Maybe the suspension starts when a team takes the player on the team in Manny's case. Yanks may have breach of contract or whatever to let him be free agent as well

Im sure that A Rod contract was done up with a team of the best attorneys on the planet. Wouldnt be surprised if there are loopholes outclauses etc.

[spoon]

Im sure that A Rod contract was done up with a team of the best attorneys on the planet. Wouldnt be surprised if there are loopholes outclauses etc.

down and out mexican league just for you WF!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Eastbound and down ?

[deliciousV]

down and out mexican league just for you WF!

Please God let ARod go on a Kenny Powers journey.

[spoon]

Please God let ARod go on a Kenny Powers journey.

yah but they'd all get roided up down there and go all Alamo II on our asses!

[A.J.]

yah but they'd all get roided up down there and go all Alamo II on our asses!

That's why we need a border fence more than ever!

Oh wait -- wrong forum.

[sailor]

That's why we need a border fence more than ever!

Oh wait -- wrong forum.

Never the wrong forum!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There needs to be another Fernando mania

[newport king]

That's why we need a border fence more than ever!

Oh wait -- wrong forum.

WE THE PEOPLE

[hanso]

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[newport king]

Bill Madden was on Boomer & Carton today essentially saying Arod will never play in MLB again. Also said as long as he and his peers are voting theres NO CHANCE Bonds, Clemens and the like get into the HOF. Interesting interview.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Brian Wilson signs with Dodgers

[Jujubees2]

Brian Wilson signs with Dodgers

Useless without Mike Love

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latest scuttlebutt is that Phil's and Sox talking about moving Lee

[newport king]

Id just like to point out Ike Davis is hitting .176 and is STILL an everyday player.

[newport king]

6 hrs. 24 rbi.

[spoon]

And a clubhouse cancer to boot! At least according to rumors.

[cougarjake13]

peavy to sawx

[newport king]

And a clubhouse cancer to boot! At least according to rumors.

Havent heard that. Actually just the opposite. I know hes Wrights bff. I hear him on interviews sometimes and the guy is so over confident like saying he would haunt the mets if they traded or released him. And his refusal to go down to aaa last year because he is a "major league player". Come on man. Its embarassing.

[A.J.]

peavy to sawx

Stupid fucking trade. The Sox repeat history and trade away another stud infielder.

[underdog]

A-Rod sucks, but the MLB treating him differently and trying to ban him for life is fucking garbage.

The Yankees are pissed that they have to pay him a ton of money that they stupidly agreed to pay him, and now the MLB is trying to ban him for life so the Yankees don't have to pay him?

I hope we look back at this commissioner the same way we look back on the Black Sox. This is disgusting.

[Kevin]

A-Rod sucks, but the MLB treating him differently and trying to ban him for life is fucking garbage.

The Yankees are pissed that they have to pay him a ton of money that they stupidly agreed to pay him, and now the MLB is trying to ban him for life so the Yankees don't have to pay him?

I hope we look back at this commissioner the same way we look back on the Black Sox. This is disgusting.

I agree.

These are the same guys that knew about the 90s 2000s roids epidemic and looked the other way because of the money it was making them..

Arod is a dick but he is no worse than Braun.

[spoon]

A-Rod sucks, but the MLB treating him differently and trying to ban him for life is fucking garbage.

The Yankees are pissed that they have to pay him a ton of money that they stupidly agreed to pay him, and now the MLB is trying to ban him for life so the Yankees don't have to pay him?

I hope we look back at this commissioner the same way we look back on the Black Sox. This is disgusting.

yep

selig has been their shill for YEARS AND YEARS

yet at least this involves someone getting their due in the process...something good amongst bullshit

[spoon]

I agree.

These are the same guys that knew about the 90s 2000s roids epidemic and looked the other way because of the money it was making them..

Arod is a dick but he is no worse than Braun.

nah, Braun's a dick but Arod is their King

how long now has this asshole been at it?

Braun finally cut his losses in the face of no outs...surely not a good guy and a pos himself, but Arod has done sooo much bullshit for sooo long he's on a completely different level.

[Snoogans]

A-Rod sucks, but the MLB treating him differently and trying to ban him for life is fucking garbage.

The Yankees are pissed that they have to pay him a ton of money that they stupidly agreed to pay him, and now the MLB is trying to ban him for life so the Yankees don't have to pay him?

I hope we look back at this commissioner the same way we look back on the Black Sox. This is disgusting.

yea by far the dirtiest looking person in all of this is bud selig. The funniest part, too, is that the only reason they have such a hard on for arod is basically because he tried to buy the documents before MLB DID THE EXACT SAME THING. But he is such an awful guy. Fuck all of them. I hope he fights it and wins and fucks up the whole CBA and sport. Cause it needs to fuckin wake up now

[underdog]

yep

selig has been their shill for YEARS AND YEARS

yet at least this involves someone getting their due in the process...something good amongst bullshit

I know you hate all this steroid stuff, but you can't be comfortable with this. A-Rod appears guilty as hell, but there's been no public proof. This is giving the MLB the ability to go after anyone they want. It's a really shitty situation.

If anyone looks really guilty to the public, it's now ok for baseball to just ban them for life? This is crazy.

[underdog]

yea by far the dirtiest looking person in all of this is bud selig. The funniest part, too, is that the only reason they have such a hard on for arod is basically because he tried to buy the documents before MLB DID THE EXACT SAME THING. But he is such an awful guy. Fuck all of them. I hope he fights it and wins and fucks up the whole CBA and sport. Cause it needs to fuckin wake up now

I think they're going after A-Rod as much as they are is because they know no one cares.

But seriously, how the fuck can they treat him so much differently than all these other guys?

[spoon]

did they actually buy the docs?

bc from what I have learned, they basically stole them from the main leaker's fucking car...as in broke in and took them illegally

I've asked about this before, but nobody touched on this fact brought up by the Outside the Lines story just a few days back. They and the leaker reported he was first offered 5,500 for the docs, and when he said no they upped it to 125k. No go so when he was reportedly taking the files/docs to the authorities, his car was broken into and every file and only the files were taken. How is this on the up and up and Selig/MLB allowed to operate this way or is it complete bs and or fabricated in some way. I'm truly perplexed on it bc I would think this is HUGE news.

[Snoogans]

I know you hate all this steroid stuff, but you can't be comfortable with this. A-Rod appears guilty as hell, but there's been no public proof. This is giving the MLB the ability to go after anyone they want. It's a really shitty situation.

If anyone looks really guilty to the public, it's now ok for baseball to just ban them for life? This is crazy.

also, how are people just ignoring that the MLB has illegally purchased what are supposed to be medically confidential documents, not had them unlocked during some FBI investigation or something. And they also purchased their star witness.

I dont care how honest he is or what he says or what he can prove, it still makes you look REALLY bad to me when you are paying people who you plan to have testify for you.

And it makes authority in general look like shit when they get personal about it. You are supposed to uphold the law/rules/whatever, not hold a fuckin vendetta because you dont like the way someone acted toward you. Its supposed to be business, not personal, and bud selig with arod has become VERY personal.

Add time to a guys suspension for attempting to do the same fuckin shit you just did. Its really fuckin sad

[Snoogans]

did they actually buy the docs?

bc from what I have learned, they basically stole them from the main leaker's fucking car...as in broke in and took them illegally

I've asked about this before, but nobody touched on this fact brought up by the Outside the Lines story just a few days back. They and the leaker reported he was first offered 5,500 for the docs, and when he said no they upped it to 125k. No go so when he was reportedly taking the files/docs to the authorities, his car was broken into and every file and only the files were taken. How is this on the up and up and Selig/MLB allowed to operate this way or is it complete bs and or fabricated in some way. I'm truly perplexed on it bc I would think this is HUGE news.

from what i heard reported, MLB paid someone who worked at the clinic to steal the documents for them. And the reason they want arod for interfering with the investigation is because arod attempted to pay the same person for the same thing and MLB just offered more.

[Snoogans]

I think they're going after A-Rod as much as they are is because they know no one cares.

But seriously, how the fuck can they treat him so much differently than all these other guys?

Moby Dick.

[underdog]

did they actually buy the docs?

bc from what I have learned, they basically stole them from the main leaker's fucking car...as in broke in and took them illegally

I've asked about this before, but nobody touched on this fact brought up by the Outside the Lines story just a few days back. They and the leaker reported he was first offered 5,500 for the docs, and when he said no they upped it to 125k. No go so when he was reportedly taking the files/docs to the authorities, his car was broken into and every file and only the files were taken. How is this on the up and up and Selig/MLB allowed to operate this way or is it complete bs and or fabricated in some way. I'm truly perplexed on it bc I would think this is HUGE news.

Everyone in this situation sucks. It's just fucking awful. The MLB has tried to play the upper hand for the last couple years, but they're just as complicit as the players.

[underdog]

also, how are people just ignoring that the MLB has illegally purchased what are supposed to be medically confidential documents, not had them unlocked during some FBI investigation or something. And they also purchased their star witness.

I dont care how honest he is or what he says or what he can prove, it still makes you look REALLY bad to me when you are paying people who you plan to have testify for you.

And it makes authority in general look like shit when they get personal about it. You are supposed to uphold the law/rules/whatever, not hold a fuckin vendetta because you dont like the way someone acted toward you. Its supposed to be business, not personal, and bud selig with arod has become VERY personal.

Add time to a guys suspension for attempting to do the same fuckin shit you just did. Its really fuckin sad

It's what is bothering me so much about them going after A-Rod. There's no reason for them to treat him differently, yet they are.

[Snoogans]

did they actually buy the docs?

bc from what I have learned, they basically stole them from the main leaker's fucking car...as in broke in and took them illegally

I've asked about this before, but nobody touched on this fact brought up by the Outside the Lines story just a few days back. They and the leaker reported he was first offered 5,500 for the docs, and when he said no they upped it to 125k. No go so when he was reportedly taking the files/docs to the authorities, his car was broken into and every file and only the files were taken. How is this on the up and up and Selig/MLB allowed to operate this way or is it complete bs and or fabricated in some way. I'm truly perplexed on it bc I would think this is HUGE news.

and once again this is the exact conduct arod engaged in that is making MLB so fuckin mad at him.

[spoon]

I know you hate all this steroid stuff, but you can't be comfortable with this. A-Rod appears guilty as hell, but there's been no public proof. This is giving the MLB the ability to go after anyone they want. It's a really shitty situation.

If anyone looks really guilty to the public, it's now ok for baseball to just ban them for life? This is crazy.

Oh I get this angle, but I have to at least think they'll need to AT LEAST publicly give some rundown on what they had on these guys. Yet they don't have to just accept it Udog, they do have a union and can appeal and still play. Both Braun and Arod had/have this opp, yet it may then get dragged into actually legal systems too.

Faye Vincent on WFAN said they would probably be better off (MLB) having it go to actual court be arbitrators usually don't side so well with the league and they gave an example I can't recall when he went after someone for something. He rightfully said this is as much a threat to the game as gambling, making this sport a chemistry experiment with terrible repercussions and the appearance of the league being like that of the WWE. He also spoke about the fines/suspensions not being enough to offset the HUGE amounts of money driving so many to get that edge in any way possible and try to skirt the issue. If you truly want a clean sport, you make a lifetime ban and fast. Can't disagree at all.

[spoon]

also, how are people just ignoring that the MLB has illegally purchased what are supposed to be medically confidential documents, not had them unlocked during some FBI investigation or something. And they also purchased their star witness.

I dont care how honest he is or what he says or what he can prove, it still makes you look REALLY bad to me when you are paying people who you plan to have testify for you.

And it makes authority in general look like shit when they get personal about it. You are supposed to uphold the law/rules/whatever, not hold a fuckin vendetta because you dont like the way someone acted toward you. Its supposed to be business, not personal, and bud selig with arod has become VERY personal.

Add time to a guys suspension for attempting to do the same fuckin shit you just did. Its really fuckin sad

paying someone to steal docs and hand them over, ESPECIALLY confidential medical records (HIPAA and many other laws broken), is a VERY HUGE OFFENSE

buying stolen docs usually isn't admissible, much less a crime as well when you know they were, much less putting someone up to it

fucking MLB is a damn joke

kill their anti-trust, and let them crush Arod, then crush Selig

win fucking win

[spoon]

It's what is bothering me so much about them going after A-Rod. There's no reason for them to treat him differently, yet they are.

NYY

there's a reason Selig reinstated the asshole who yank fans try claim a king

he was/is and always will be a piece of shit, just like Selig and Arod

[spoon]

and once again this is the exact conduct arod engaged in that is making MLB so fuckin mad at him.

no exactly true

he just tried to buy the data, not have someone steal it

he wasn't nearly as wrong as MLB in this case when you look at the whole picture

yet I heard he did more to get in the way, just not exactly sure what at this point

[Snoogans]

no exactly true

he just tried to buy the data, not have someone steal it

he wasn't nearly as wrong as MLB in this case when you look at the whole picture

yet I heard he did more to get in the way, just not exactly sure what at this point

yea thats true, arod wasnt even on the stealing it shit. And im sure the other thing that MLB thinks he did that was so awful was not answer them truthfully when they asked him shit. Those are the ONLY 2 things i have heard mentioned at all in terms of him interfering with the investigation.

And Arod, UNLIKE MLB, refused to pay off the Bosch guy first. If arod had given him the 5 mill for legal fees and shit that he asked arod for, he never woulda flipped. Thats why MLB stepped in and paid the guy. Cause even fuckin ARod knew how bad it would look to buy the fuckin guy off.

Bud Selig is just a giant fuckin clown

[Snoogans]

paying someone to steal docs and hand them over, ESPECIALLY confidential medical records (HIPAA and many other laws broken), is a VERY HUGE OFFENSE

buying stolen docs usually isn't admissible, much less a crime as well when you know they were, much less putting someone up to it

fucking MLB is a damn joke

kill their anti-trust, and let them crush Arod, then crush Selig

win fucking win

which could explain why the MLB is tryin to hard to fuckin get them to take deals. Ironically, speaking on that anti trust:

According to a report I heard, IF MLB goes at arod on the CBA and not drug policy, arod is no longer FORCED to appeal to an arbitrator, but instead can go to the supreme court to appeal.

Should the supreme court side with ARod, it would rule part of the CBA, and thus essentially the entire CBA, null and void and there would be a work stoppage while both sides have to renegotiate the CBA. And this is another reason MLB REALLY wants him to take a deal.

It could get really seriously ugly

[spoon]

honestly

i hope it does go this route

for both of these assholes and this shit run league


burn it down to the ground and rebuild it fresh

oh and move the Jays out of the AL East!

:wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ESPN Can not wait for the decision. They Milked the Braun suspension, they are salivating over the cash they will make from ratings.

[hanso]

A-Rod sucks, but the MLB treating him differently and trying to ban him for life is fucking garbage.

The Yankees are pissed that they have to pay him a ton of money that they stupidly agreed to pay him, and now the MLB is trying to ban him for life so the Yankees don't have to pay him?

I hope we look back at this commissioner the same way we look back on the Black Sox. This is disgusting.

Wondered about this also and maybe some inside dealings.

But we don't know if the others are getting the same treatment from MLB.

I heard Colon won't get hit.

[spoon]

Come on, i thought it was pretty clear how much Cashman LOVES Arod.

[spoon]

He did give him that contract.

[A.J.]

He did give him that contract.

:laugh: Good move Cash!

[hanso]

There needs to be another Fernando mania

Yasiel Puig speaks no english therefore he should be deported

[newport king]

Yasiel Puig speaks no english therefore he should be deported

WE THE PEOPLE!

[Snoogans]

i got a question. Lets say arod is suspended rest of this season and next. The yankees are on this 189 next season payroll kick because of the luxury tax. Assuming they dont have to pay arod next year, do they also get that salary off the luxury tax, even though he is technically still on the payroll and they will have to pay him again starting in 15?

[spoon]

i got a question. Lets say arod is suspended rest of this season and next. The yankees are on this 189 next season payroll kick because of the luxury tax. Assuming they dont have to pay arod next year, do they also get that salary off the luxury tax, even though he is technically still on the payroll and they will have to pay him again starting in 15?

I'm sure if it puts them under 189 they will NOT have to pay. It's Selig, we know it will always benefit the big markets when possible.

[Snoogans]

I'm sure if it puts them under 189 they will NOT have to pay. It's Selig, we know it will always benefit the big markets when possible.

it would put them so far under they could give cano 25 mill a year and spend 5 on other guys and still be under

[Kevin]

I'm sure if it puts them under 189 they will NOT have to pay. It's Selig, we know it will always benefit the big markets when possible.

Last place...

Still waiting to be proven wrong...

[Kevin]

While Selig (Another failure from Wisconsin) goes after Arod..

Lets just look passed the fact that

David Ortiz is raging out on a strike out in the 7th inning up 7-2, and at 37 is hitting like its early to mid 2000s

A career scrub in Chris Davis has 39hrs 100 RBIS ON AUGUST FIRST!

And 41yrs old 2 years pinch hitter Raul Ibanez has 24hrs IN SAFECO FIELD...

Yea MLB... You guys are cleaning up the game...

What a bunch of frauds.. This is why I stopped watching.

[hanso]

While Selig (Another failure from Wisconsin) goes after Arod..

Lets just look passed the fact that

David Ortiz is raging out on a strike out in the 7th inning up 7-2, and at 37 is hitting like its early to mid 2000s

A career scrub in Chris Davis has 39hrs 100 RBIS ON AUGUST FIRST!

And 41yrs old 2 years pinch hitter Raul Ibanez has 24hrs IN SAFECO FIELD...

Yea MLB... You guys are cleaning up the game...

What a bunch of frauds.. This is why I stopped watching.

He did this before the break and has fallen off the map in the second half.

[spoon]

Last place...

Still waiting to be proven wrong...

wow, you really are a stupid fuck

go back kev, tell me where I claimed a pennant, wild card or anything outside of more hope than normal?

you are proven wrong every time you open your stupid mumbly mouth

how about Reyes? how about Buehrle? and the players in Florida being valuable they got in return? yep, TWO are already up and getting on the highlights and are still far from at their potential. i was pretty much THE ONLY one who defended their take and approach to the trade, all but missing some of those guys right off the bat being I watched them come in and grow. Now Hech and Marisnick are becoming MLB players on another team and it sucks...especially since Johnson has been mired in his worst year EVER in a fucking contract year. Never would I have seen THAT coming, but it's baseball. Oh and these moves weren't done for one year Kev, in fact most assumed growing pains with soooo much turnover. However, I do say their choice of HC with no playoff pushes, much less experience and a retread to boot made zero sense.

But hey, just keep being a stupid fucking dick...the WF of the thread. And for the record, God was proven wrong simply with your birth.

[spoon]

Last place...

Still waiting to be proven wrong...


I also like how a statement on MLB, Selig and ties to the yankees opens up pissing matches for you as if you NEED to defend their fucking honor. Your a biased fucking cunt and NEVER look at ANYTHING objectively in sports. Stick to wrestling garbage wrestlingkev.

[spoon]

The Mets are the best week 1 team in baseball...

Yankees will lose 95 games.

Blue Jays will finish 4th


wrong

wrong

wrong but hopefully right by seasons end (yanks last with highest payroll and double the Jays with all our trading of kids for higher paid players)

[spoon]

While Selig (Another failure from Wisconsin) goes after Arod..

Lets just look passed the fact that

David Ortiz is raging out on a strike out in the 7th inning up 7-2, and at 37 is hitting like its early to mid 2000s

A career scrub in Chris Davis has 39hrs 100 RBIS ON AUGUST FIRST!

And 41yrs old 2 years pinch hitter Raul Ibanez has 24hrs IN SAFECO FIELD...

Yea MLB... You guys are cleaning up the game...

What a bunch of frauds.. This is why I stopped watching.

Yes let's look PASSED the fact that Davis was always supposed to be a power hitter and most don't just crush when 20 in the fucking minors stupid. Next, these guys are tested A WHOLE lot more for a whole lot more, not perfect of course, but to go at a guy with zero on him is stupid. You have ZERO outside of he's not on your team and your guy. Next, not once did I hear you cry about Ibanez last year in the playoffs hitting bombs and winning games...now on another team, yeah, HERE'S KEV to run him down. Oh and you stopped watching bc you aren't a baseball fan, you're a yankees fan when winning to live vicariously through them to help uplift your fucking sad life.

[A.J.]

David Ortiz is raging out on a strike out in the 7th inning up 7-2, and at 37 is hitting like its early to mid 2000s

I didn't realize roids made you thinner as you got older.

[newport king]

I didn't realize roids made you thinner as you got older.


Winstrol. Its summertime. Hes going for that shredded beach body.

[spoon]

Which one causes the shredded brain? Bc me thinks kevin eats it and shitball every morning.

[Snoogans]

I didn't realize roids made you thinner as you got older.

they got drugs to do that to help your speed. thats why he has been going and stealin bases like rickey henderson, duh

[MHasegawa]

they got drugs to do that to help your speed. thats why he has been going and stealin bases like rickey henderson, duh

i miss rickey, rickey was great here.

[Snoogans]

i miss rickey, rickey was great here.

I miss rickey, too. But the mets rickey, the one who made me laugh

[Kevin]

Which one causes the shredded brain? Bc me thinks kevin eats it and shitball every morning.

The only thing I eat is your theories and bs..

I own you in every way.

Nothing you have said has gone right..

EVERYTHING I have has..

But then again, I don't spend my time looking into a mirror and having my friends tell me I am right all the time..

[Kevin]

wrong

wrong

wrong but hopefully right by seasons end (yanks last with highest payroll and double the Jays with all our trading of kids for higher paid players)

I said they will both suck..

So I am right..

YOU..

LOSE

[Kevin]

Yes let's look PASSED the fact that Davis was always supposed to be a power hitter and most don't just crush when 20 in the fucking minors stupid. Next, these guys are tested A WHOLE lot more for a whole lot more, not perfect of course, but to go at a guy with zero on him is stupid. You have ZERO outside of he's not on your team and your guy. Next, not once did I hear you cry about Ibanez last year in the playoffs hitting bombs and winning games...now on another team, yeah, HERE'S KEV to run him down. Oh and you stopped watching bc you aren't a baseball fan, you're a yankees fan when winning to live vicariously through them to help uplift your fucking sad life.

He is a scrub on roids

Get off the mirror and recognize...

[Kevin]

This is Spoons posts. rational. sanity and proficiency

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18vsbu2n0qmjjgif/k-medium.gif

[spoon]

You make a habit of stupidity. Nothing you say even makes sense, much less right.

Go on Kev, live out your fantasy world in that head of yours from that shithole basement apartment of yours. You know, the one u send checks from for the beta u lose for being so right all the time YEARS after they are done. I like spending huge percentages of your book advances for writing the Albanian version of Dogma with zero jokes as the goats would have it.

And not once did i want a known cheater on the jays. I said so with melky before he even signed with Toronto. So cute gif.

[spoon]

Now back to my awesome mirror and uplifting calls from friends!

Ha!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

214 Game suspension is the latest. It's looking like ARod will appeal.

If he changes his mind and accepts it, he stands to lose about 30 million

[spoon]

214?

That is the remainder of this year and the next as of monday? If so, that's the latest i heard as well. Yet i heard he will not appeal bc this is reportedly a deal? Who the fuck knows at this point?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So when do the House and Senate get their Show trials?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's the latest according to Jon Heyman


A Rod suspended until 2015.

He plans to appeal and Girardi has him penciled in the lineup for tomorrow. Selig will allow him to play while appealing

[spoon]

Selig really has no fucking choice! And i hope this goes completely wrong and hurts the league and arod in the end.

[Snoogans]

Here's the latest according to Jon Heyman


A Rod suspended until 2015.

He plans to appeal and Girardi has him penciled in the lineup for tomorrow. Selig will allow him to play while appealing

so basically what they actually gave him is what they were tryin to get for him to take a deal to not get banned for life. What a fuckin bunch of frauds MLB are. And even if it sticks, every day of the suspension, he will still get like 70 million dollars after.

The ONLY thing this really even did was get the yankees under the lux tax next year. Otherwise, big fuckin deal

[newport king]

I used to be in the camp of ban these guys for life, integrity of the game, etc. Thats coming from a fans point of view. Now honestly if i was a player? Yeah i wouldve done it. Arod got paid a QUARTER OF A BILLION WITH A B DOLLARS. I think most of these holier than thou callers on WFAN are delusional to think they wouldve done otherwise if put in his shoes.

[cougarjake13]

well he had the original deal with Texas then the extension with the Yankees so he's got closer to half a billion no?

either way tough to turn down that cash if u can get it through any means necessary

[spoon]

I wouldn't. With his skills he wasn't exactly going to make pocket change. He pushed both the texans and yanks to outbid themselves on two of those giant contracts, so some of the money was his and his lawyer's ability to work those teams over.

[Snoogans]

I used to be in the camp of ban these guys for life, integrity of the game, etc. Thats coming from a fans point of view. Now honestly if i was a player? Yeah i wouldve done it. Arod got paid a QUARTER OF A BILLION WITH A B DOLLARS. I think most of these holier than thou callers on WFAN are delusional to think they wouldve done otherwise if put in his shoes.

well, he got paid alot more than that if you think about it. He signed a 10 year 252, opted out after 6, and signed 10 300. He is gonna lose pretty much 1 year of that 10. He made closer to half a billion id say in his career, and with endorsements and shit, probably well over it. I dont blame these fuckin guys for 1 second for doing shit. Thats why i dont get mad. It entertains me, and so good, i hope they take shit.

But even still, if you are a fan of a league, you would at least like to see the league fuckin manage itself well. ARod is a douche, and no one likes him, and I dont like him. But the MLB has fuckin forced me to root for this guy with their nonsense.

[cougarjake13]

well yeh I arods case yeh


but if I'm some lesser known smuck and taking something is the difference between being a journeymen utility guy and getting paid at least one big contract you'd have to consider it

[Snoogans]

I wouldn't. With his skills he wasn't exactly going to make pocket change. He pushed both the texans and yanks to outbid themselves on two of those giant contracts, so some of the money was his and his lawyer's ability to work those teams over.

who is to say he didnt take roids from the beginning? There are a few guys where you can figure out pretty much the point where it started. Clemens, Bonds, etc. But ARod never changed much. I wouldnt be shocked to find out he was pumpin that shit the entire time in seattle to even get the skills to earn that first big deal

[Snoogans]

well yeh I arods case yeh


but if I'm some lesser known smuck and taking something is the difference between being a journeymen utility guy and getting paid at least one big contract you'd have to consider it

see: Cabrera, Melky

[cougarjake13]

who is to say he didnt take roids from the beginning? There are a few guys where you can figure out pretty much the point where it started. Clemens, Bonds, etc. But ARod never changed much. I wouldnt be shocked to find out he was pumpin that shit the entire time in seattle to even get the skills to earn that first big deal


well Espn was just showing some clips of him in Seattle and he was smaller and maybe that's just bc he was young but def no drastic differences like bonds or Sosa

[spoon]

Pretty big changes in size, power, mental approach to mlb and of course attitude as well. Pretty much a textbook case in line with the likes of Bonds to me. Pitchers seem to do it later on that level to save careers and or for injuries and get hooked (Clemens and Petite), many others do it in the middle to get big free agent paydays above their scale...and finally the bottom level mlb/minor leaguers do it to stay up and collect the HUGE difference bt double/trip A ball and MLB. think greg zaun or cervelli at catchet for example. Still cheating.

[spoon]

well yeh I arods case yeh


but if I'm some lesser known smuck and taking something is the difference between being a journeymen utility guy and getting paid at least one big contract you'd have to consider it

And to some extent this ties into ex commish Faye Vincent's point, the reward still massively outweighs the risk so it will not go away. He wants lifetime ban by second time at least, and season/ current contract negation for the first...even thought lifetime for the first wasn't out of the question. I agree. Then viola, closest thing to a level playing field in decades and the chemistry contest with humans as lab rats will be over as the players with the best natural skills and those that work the hardest would get in.

[Snoogans]

Pretty big changes in size, power, mental approach to mlb and of course attitude as well. Pretty much a textbook case in line with the likes of Bonds to me. Pitchers seem to do it later on that level to save careers and or for injuries and get hooked (Clemens and Petite), many others do it in the middle to get big free agent paydays above their scale...and finally the bottom level mlb/minor leaguers do it to stay up and collect the HUGE difference bt double/trip A ball and MLB. think greg zaun or cervelli at catchet for example. Still cheating.

id have to go back and look at him on Seattle but i dont remember noticing a big change like I did in other guys. I could just not remember though

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Jeter was skinny as a rail back in 95-96 . With all the year round training Jeter did add a little bit of size just like A Rod. While not staying thin they stayed lean. It's not like their heads became the size of Saturn

[cougarjake13]

Jeter was skinny as a rail back in 95-96 . With all the year round training Jeter did add a little bit of size just like A Rod. While not staying thin they stayed lean. It's not like their heads became the size of Saturn


but that could also be bc they're not taking the typical steroids stuff that makes u blow up
most of the guys getting caught now prolly aren't taking what bonds did to get jacked

[Snoogans]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA Jordany Valdespin was taking steroids and is suspended 50 games

Jordany Valdespin is a BUM. It makes so much sense now why he called Collins a cocksucker and tried to get on the DL instead of getting sent down. I think this seriously might be the worst player who ever got caught taking something. Fuckin Mets cant even take steroids right

[realmenhatelife]

Would've liked to see Antonio Bastardo take a 50 game suspension last season and mitigate some of his shitty outings.

[spoon]

Arod the only appeal and IN the lineup tonight! Awesome!

[Snoogans]

Arod the only appeal and IN the lineup tonight! Awesome!

I hope he hits 3 HRs. I hope the appeal goes on into the off season and he gets to play the entire rest of the season and carries the yankees into the playoffs. And then lets see what all these Yankee fans and baseball people say about it.

[spoon]

As much as i hate that, i love it too. Fucking mlb!

[spoon]

Nelson Cruz, pretty big name there.

Montero traded RIGHT as he hit his high and i wonde what the yanks knew too. An interesting side note for trades now on how much teams know.

[Snoogans]

As much as i hate that, i love it too. Fucking mlb!

believe me, you know im the last person who wants to see the Yankees win games. But at the same time, it would just be the greatest fuckin thing ever, especially to see the Yankee fans try to love and hate a guy at the same fuckin time. And you KNOW Selig would be on the verge of having a fuckin heart attack every time he saw another big hit by ARod on the Yankee march to the WS

[Snoogans]

Nelson Cruz, pretty big name there.

Montero traded RIGHT as he hit his high and i wonde what the yanks knew too. An interesting side note for trades now on how much teams know.

i think they are sayin part of why MLB suspended ARod so long is that he was recruiting these guys to come to Biogenesis and take drugs. Im sure Monetero and Cervelli are people under Alex in the pyramid.

[spoon]

How many are linked to a connection via arod too?! Melky, montero, cervelli, Martinez and of course arod. That's almost half the list and how many others are Dominican friends?! I think Arod has a future in "treating aging" and marketing!

Gio gonzo cleared. Melky and Colon get off for time already served...fuck!

[Snoogans]

How many are linked to a connection via arod too?! Melky, montero, cervelli, Martinez and of course arod. That's almost half the list and how many others are Dominican friends?! I think Arod has a future in "treating aging" and marketing!

Gio gonzo cleared. Melky and Colon get off for time already served...fuck!

this is important. Not to me, cause i could care less, but to the baseball people who care. This isnt getting near enough publicity.

Gio Gonzalez and Danny Valencia were both cleared by MLB of ANY wrongdoing.
If anything, this makes me even more against MLB, since they were the ones who leaked the names before they had even fuckin finished investigating. FUCK YOU, BUD SELIG

[spoon]

believe me, you know im the last person who wants to see the Yankees win games. But at the same time, it would just be the greatest fuckin thing ever, especially to see the Yankee fans try to love and hate a guy at the same fuckin time. And you KNOW Selig would be on the verge of having a fuckin heart attack every time he saw another big hit by ARod on the Yankee march to the WS

For yankee fans, we can just call it 2009 all over again.

As for him playing for at least three days, i hope any team that loses contests the results and sue the league if it costs them a playoff spot for lost revs all the way to the world series and untold fan losses and damages to the franchise.

[Snoogans]

For yankee fans, we can just call it 2009 all over again.

As for him playing for at least three days, i hope any team that loses contests the results and sue the league if it costs them a playoff spot for lost revs all the way to the world series and untold fan losses and damages to the franchise.

on this note. Could the teams that would receive luxury tax have some argument that the Yankees owe them money because they SHOULD have to pay the luxury tax on ARod salary, even though they dont actually have to pay him the salary? Everything about this is so fuckin shady

[spoon]

this is important. Not to me, cause i could care less, but to the baseball people who care. This isnt getting near enough publicity.

Gio Gonzalez and Danny Valencia were both cleared by MLB of ANY wrongdoing.
If anything, this makes me even more against MLB, since they were the ones who leaked the names before they had even fuckin finished investigating. FUCK YOU, BUD SELIG


Wait, explain this?! They came forward? Is this what u are saying and bc of it they get off and protected?

[spoon]

on this note. Could the teams that would receive luxury tax have some argument that the Yankees owe them money because they SHOULD have to pay the luxury tax on ARod salary, even though they dont actually have to pay him the salary? Everything about this is so fuckin shady


Well teams don't actually get that money usually, again it is to promote the game. Rev sharing works that way and this is a common misinterpretation of the lux tax...and a reason it is a fucking joke solution as king george was able to get his money back from lux tax in the past to help pay for his crap stadium on the bronx. It was to rebuild the bronx...RIGHT!

[Snoogans]

Wait, explain this?! They came forward? Is this what u are saying and bc of it they get off and protected?

no. Early in the investigation, back in february, someone from MLB leaked the names of all the players who came up in biogenesis information, essentially damming them all in the court of public opinion.

2 of those players were Gio and Danny Valencia, who after the MLB finished investigating, turned out had gone there independantly, thinking it was a reputable place, and received legitimate, legal treatments that did NOT include PEDs. They never did anything wrong. But when MLB first saw their names, they leaked them to ESPN so they could be shit on, and now most people just assume Gio and Valencia were dirty.

Now that it was show they werent, thats kind of getting buried and no one is mentioning it and so most people who heard their names probably just assume they didnt have enough evidence, not that they were proved to have done nothing wrong

[Snoogans]

Well teams don't actually get that money usually, again it is to promote the game. Rev sharing works that way and this is a common misinterpretation of the lux tax...and a reason it is a fucking joke solution as king george was able to get his money back from lux tax in the past to help pay for his crap stadium on the bronx. It was to rebuild the bronx...RIGHT!

wow, awesome. The whole point of a luxury tax is to give it to poor teams, no?

[Snoogans]

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this might be the ONLY type of thing or situation about PEDs where I actually do think it kinda sucks that guys take them. For my entertainment I love it, but this I understand. This dude didnt cheat (or if he did, has alot of balls today) and it might have cost him a job. Thats the only time I feel bad about it

[spoon]

no. Early in the investigation, back in february, someone from MLB leaked the names of all the players who came up in biogenesis information, essentially damming them all in the court of public opinion.

2 of those players were Gio and Danny Valencia, who after the MLB finished investigating, turned out had gone there independantly, thinking it was a reputable place, and received legitimate, legal treatments that did NOT include PEDs. They never did anything wrong. But when MLB first saw their names, they leaked them to ESPN so they could be shit on, and now most people just assume Gio and Valencia were dirty.

Now that it was show they werent, thats kind of getting buried and no one is mentioning it and so most people who heard their names probably just assume they didnt have enough evidence, not that they were proved to have done nothing wrong


Ahhh i do remember that vaguely. Thanks for the explanation.

Mlb is pretty much a joke no matter what side of this issue they fight for. There is a right way to do things and they seem never to choose this route even when i agree with the side they finally took.

[spoon]

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this might be the ONLY type of thing or situation about PEDs where I actually do think it kinda sucks that guys take them. For my entertainment I love it, but this I understand. This dude didnt cheat (or if he did, has alot of balls today) and it might have cost him a job. Thats the only time I feel bad about it

Been a huge part of my anger on this forever. I would def be clean, if you aren't, you might as well just score your golf card like justice. No difference to me. None.

[Snoogans]

I will now translate for you MLBs statement on why ARod's suspension is so much longer than anyone else, including a guy who ACTUALLY FAILED A DRUG TEST:

MLB- based on his use and possession of numerous forms of prohibited performance-enhancing substances, including Testosterone and human Growth Hormone, over the course of multiple years...for attempting to cover-up his violations of the Program by engaging in a course of conduct intended to obstruct and frustrate the Office of the Commissioner's investigation.

translation- Based on the fact he did the same thing anyone else who did PEDs did in taking multiple substances, and usually the same substances as Alex Rodriguez, for a long time like MOST users, but was much much better at not getting caught, and even attempted to buy all the evidence that we illegal bought before we had a chance, and because he told other guys about it, also like EVERYONE ELSE WHO EVER TOOK STEROIDS, we have decided we really dont like him (he really is a douche, we swear) and so we are just arbitrarily going to suspend him for 4 times longer than everyone else who did the same thing, and some who actually also FAILED DRUG TESTS.

[spoon]

"As a social institution with enormous social responsibilities, baseball must do everything it can to maintain integrity, fairness and a level playing field. We are committed to working together with players to reiterate that performance-enhancing drugs will not be tolerated in our game."


Ha!!! Fuck u mlb and Selig! Tell me this when fucking get nothing congress had to step in and scare your anti-trust clause for u to do anything after soaking in the glory for YEARS! ! Complete BULLSHIT. I would only humor this IF, and only if Selig was gone and his cronies.

[Snoogans]

"As a social institution with enormous social responsibilities, baseball must do everything it can to maintain integrity, fairness and a level playing field. We are committed to working together with players to reiterate that performance-enhancing drugs will not be tolerated in our game."


Ha!!! Fuck u mlb and Selig! Tell me this when fucking get nothing congress had to step in and scare your anti-trust clause for u to do anything after soaking in the glory for YEARS! ! Complete BULLSHIT. I would only humor this IF, and only if Selig was gone and his cronies.

and then scared them into these tremendous anti drug policies that are such a deterrent, like Braun getting to lose 3 million, keep his 100 mill, and get a vacation from a losing team to heal his wrist, most likely through the use of HGH since he cant be tested cause he isnt in the league right now.

AWESOME

[spoon]

Ha!!! The yanks just made a statement and it does nothing but make them look bad in my mind.

[spoon]

They can't test when suspended?! Oh come on! When injured, players should get tested more if a past user at least.

[Snoogans]

They can't test when suspended?! Oh come on! When injured, players should get tested more if a past user at least.

you cannot be tested if you are suspended, on the DL, or retire before the test. Though that last one is kinda like admitting it.

But yea if you are hurt or suspended, you arent technically in the league and therefore, are not under the policy. not to mention they dont test for HGH anyway, and there isnt a totally conclusive test that has been proven to be reliable yet

[spoon]

Mlbpa's statement was pretty solid in my opinion.

[spoon]

There are pretty solid tests now, just not implemented yet and that alone is bs. I have my doubts mlb really didn't have your take on hgh to be honest, but if so they are not open about it and play games with who they want to go at and look away when it helps.

[Snoogans]

MLB commissioner Bud Selig, in two statements addressing Rodriguez's discipline and a more general one on the state of baseball's ant-drug program, said he was "proud of the comprehensive nature of our efforts -- not only with regard to random testing, groundbreaking blood testing for human Growth Hormone and one of the most significant longitudinal profiling programs in the world, but also our investigative capabilities, which proved vital to the Biogenesis case."

first the bold. this hasnt even started yet, and there is already science arguing that the testing method is not even close to 100% accurate. I would bet its a LONG time before any HGH positives, if there even are any, come close to standing up against appeal.

On to the rest of it. what the fuck is a longitudinal profiling program? Is that just some fancy bullshit for spending alot of money to witchhunt one person for years to finally catch him? AND WHAT INVESTIGATIVE CAPABILITIES? YOU MEAN YOUR FUCKIN CHECKBOOK AND ABILITY TO NOT BE PROSECUTED FOR COMMITTING FELONIES?

[Snoogans]

There are pretty solid tests now, just not implemented yet and that alone is bs. I have my doubts mlb really didn't have your take on hgh to be honest, but if so they are not open about it and play games with who they want to go at and look away when it helps.

i think baseballs view on HGH is why the rules for injured and suspended players are what they are. They dont want anyone doing PEDs while they are playing. But if you can DL a guy and he can take some HGH and get back a month earlier, ahhh fuck it, no one has to know. Unless that guy is someone we dont like.

edit: and sure there are probably solid tests. but none of those have been approved to be used. the one baseball is putting in, from the things i have been reading, is still pretty new and questionable, at best.

[underdog]

Been a huge part of my anger on this forever. I would def be clean, if you aren't, you might as well just score your golf card like justice. No difference to me. None.

I hope you'd be clean. You with roid rage would be an awful sight.

[spoon]

I think that must or at least might be the case. If not, very odd. As for the tests for hgh, nothing is 100% and the science is there to be very accurate.

[Snoogans]

I think that must or at least might be the case. If not, very odd. As for the tests for hgh, nothing is 100% and the science is there to be very accurate.

read the edit i made. there are alot of questions about the one baseball is using, starting next year, of course

[spoon]

I hope you'd be clean. You with roid rage would be an awful sight.


Perhaps it would have a reverse effect on me?! And i am quite the diplomat and kind soul out there, unless u cross me! Grr

[spoon]

As to the edit, not sure what/which test they are to employ, but they can adjutst now and get a good one and make a better one in no time with their money to fund it.

As for longitudinal, i think it just means outside and along side of mlb's powers. They will start to use the legal system if my guess is right and this is just the setup and hint at it bc arod's lawyer surely will go here.

[spoon]

How cool would it be if pitchers just hit arod every time!!! Ha, wfan just said this as i type it!! Ha!

[spoon]

Cornwall and arod made blah statements.

[spoon]

Imagine him getting hit over and over and the yanks NOT caring and the umps too. They just let it happen and he rushes the mound after his third time plunked and not one yank comes out of the dugout but cervelli runs on the field from the pressbox!

[spoon]

Here's a question, how much info do u think they have from arod friends he led to biogenesis?! Such as melky and cervelli turning rat and informing mlb he led them there for more ammo against arod.

[underdog]

How cool would it be if pitchers just hit arod every time!!! Ha, wfan just said this as i type it!! Ha!

That would be great.

[spoon]

Ok' nick markakis just became a fav for me. Love his comments.

[spoon]

He even mentioned he wasn't even tested once yet and said it is a joke. Selig is definitely a joke and hypocrite.

[spoon]

"Stealing from owners and clean players" nick markakis

[spoon]

About to go to the phones...here come the yank fans let's trade arod to the mets for harvey.

[Snoogans]

Imagine him getting hit over and over and the yanks NOT caring and the umps too. They just let it happen and he rushes the mound after his third time plunked and not one yank comes out of the dugout but cervelli runs on the field from the pressbox!

if that happened i think the yankees would be happy. He would get drilled and they would get a free baserunner every time.

[spoon]

so much for Petite showing up

must need an HGH refill...you know, from his dad's supply JUST for the injury

[Snoogans]

He even mentioned he wasn't even tested once yet and said it is a joke. Selig is definitely a joke and hypocrite.

can you find that quote, i cant find it anywhere. That would be fuckin fantastic to see

[spoon]

if that happened i think the yankees would be happy. He would get drilled and they would get a free baserunner every time.

at this point in this game, I'd do it anyway

IT
WOULD
B
AWESOME

[Snoogans]

About to go to the phones...here come the yank fans let's trade arod to the mets for harvey.

arod and hughes for harvey and david wright was actually called in as a goof to Francessa like 2 weeks ago and he almost choked on his diet coke

[Snoogans]

at this point in this game, I'd do it anyway

IT
WOULD
B
AWESOME

btw what the fuck is this suspension doesnt start til thursday so he has time to decide if he wants to appeal? Shouldnt suspensions, ya know, START WHEN THEY ARE HANDED OUT? like every other suspension. If he appeals, then he does and the case goes to arb and he plays. But you basically act like this guy is the worst dude ever in history and you want him gone for life, then you end up giving the suspension you were tryin to get him take as a deal of leniency (seriously, werent they sayin how he was gonna be banned for life and they were offering him all of next year as a plea deal? Now all of a sudden its only next year as the entire thing?).

Here is what I think happens. He will appeal and they will go to arb and the case will take awhile, and he will play for at least a month. When it finally is decided, he is gonna end up getting 100 games MAX because, lets be honest, if you are giving everyone 50 and a guy you caught on a test 65, then you cant give someone else 211 games just because you dont like him.

He will end up with 100 game suspension, to be served beginning next season. And he will help the yankees, maybe not to playoffs, but he will help them win games and this entire seasons result will be tainted.

[spoon]

can you find that quote, i cant find it anywhere. That would be fuckin fantastic to see

Not sure, but here's the majority of his stuff here. As for the not tested, they said it too on WFAN but I haven't found it reported in print yet either. Looking now, but everything else checked out so I have to think it's on the up and up.

[spoon]

arod and hughes for harvey and david wright was actually called in as a goof to Francessa like 2 weeks ago and he almost choked on his diet coke

yah I heard a bunch of those and he's usually clueless...yet they are all spoofs on reality as the war between the idiot callers versus the idiot host plays on

best show on the radio

[spoon]

yah, I wouldn't even doubt it if they only get 50 in the end

seriously

[Snoogans]

Not sure, but here's the majority of his stuff here. As for the not tested, they said it too on WFAN but I haven't found it reported in print yet either. Looking now, but everything else checked out so I have to think it's on the up and up.

NEVER BEEN TESTED. How is that even possible? im gonna go ahead and say that if you have even a half fuckin serious testing policy, that ALL PLAYERS would be tested at least 1 time a year. thats not really that hard to do. AT LEAST fuckin one time.

Remember I said the screwed out of jobs was the one reason i cared if guy took roids? Well here is the main reason I dont care (along side just more entertaining): THE LEAGUE DIDNT, and to a point, DOESNT SEEM TO CARE.

They dont even fuckin test all the guys, you cant be tested if you are hurt which means if you want to take something, just fake an injury and go on the DL for a couple weeks. And if you are a nice guy, they will take better care of you if you do get in trouble. They also have test limits. They can only test a guy a certain number of times in season, out of season, and total for a year. I believe the offseason is 2, in season is 3 times, and total is 4 times in 1 year. Thats how it was when they first put it in, dont know if its changed.

But imagine that shit. Imagine you got tested in nov and then tested again in january. Now they cant even legally test you until april. What a great fuckin deterrent.

[spoon]

just imagine if he gets off completely!?

that would be hilarious

Bud would have a stroke on the spot

[Snoogans]

yah, I wouldn't even doubt it if they only get 50 in the end

seriously

it wouldnt shock me, but I think 100 just because he has admitted to doing shit before, and i think because he was actually fuckin recruiting guys into it. ARod is really fuckin dirty, so I can foresee (fair or not) him getting more games than the other guys, esp the guys HE brought in. But I can NOT seeing him gettin anything near 4 times what the other guys got. Thats just lunacy

[Snoogans]

just imagine if he gets off completely!?

that would be hilarious

Bud would have a stroke on the spot

Bud, Hal Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, and Curt "I stole 176 million dollars from the state of RI and no one seems to even care" Schilling would have aneurisms at the same time.

[newport king]

MLB is doing the best they can so he takes a deal. They know if he takes them to the supreme court hed win and unravel the entire CBA. He didnt test positive. Plain and simple.

[spoon]

found it

here you go

Markakis on PED use & MLB's Testing Thus Far (http://nesn.com/2013/08/nick-markakis-says-mlb-should-stiffen-penalties-for-ped-users-suggests-five-year-ban-for-first-time-offenders/)

:wacko::blink:

[spoon]

The outfielder also went as far as saying he would “100 percent” support a proposal from MLB and the player’s union to give lifetime bans to anyone caught using PEDs. While Markakis says he is appreciative of the measures MLB has taken to eliminate PED use, he also says they could be doing more to enforce their anti-drug policy, including more frequent blood tests. “I don’t know if any of my teammates have, but I haven’t,” Markakis said when asked about blood testing. “As part of the collective bargaining agreement, [MLB has] that opportunity. And I don’t know why they haven’t or what the deal is with it. But I think they need to take a better look into it and start going forward with what they say they are going to do. Saying something is one thing, but doing it is another. … I’d give blood every day if I had to. The overall deal is that this is bad for the game.”

wow

[newport king]

Bud, Hal Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, and Curt "I stole 176 million dollars from the state of RI and no one seems to even care" Schilling would have aneurisms at the same time.

38 Studios. Grand opening, grand closing. Everyone in RI should at least get a copy of Kingdom of Amalur