Anthony Cumia Is Mentally Unstable

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

There were times when I still listened when you could here how uncomfortable Opie and Jim were. I find it hard to believe that Anthony does not understand what Opies silence means or hear how hard Jim is trying to gently disagree without hurting his feelings. I would love to hear Norton disregard his feelings and have a real point counter point conversation when Anthony goes down the race road. Or, dream of dreams, a conversation with Ron about race.

If only he could have a real argument with Ron about race. Too bad Ron sounds like a standup guy and wouldn't embarrass his friend who gave him a job opportunity.

[TripleSkeet]

If the qualification is that sombody's annoying when they talk about something they don't know about, then O & A are the most irritating pricks on earth. They somehow manage to be ignorant about EVERYTHING. There's not a subject that came up during the last year I was listening where they didn't showcase just how nescient they are.


I didnt say anybody. Honestly, when most guys try talking to me and you can tell they dont know what they are talking it about its alot more amusing to me then annoying. I cant listen to women on talk radio. Every time Ive tried I just want to drive into a fucking tree. Id rather listen to 4 hours of nails being raked over a chalkboard. Maybe its just because I cant think of one woman radio host that hasnt been annoying.

its not about hating women either. Robin was ok with Howard because overall she really didnt speak much. I also love hearing Missy and Silera when I was able to hear the What Show on Paltalk.

Oh and women on sports talk stations are worse then anything else. Im sorry, but the truth is 99% of women know dick about sports.

[Chigworthy]

Look what his little buddy picked up today:

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A good indicator of someone who does not respect firearms is when they have their finger on the trigger when the gun is not pointed at something they are willing to shoot. This is how accidental discharges occur, which do nothing to protect our right to bear arms. Someone who has been trained properly in how to safely use a firearm will feel very uncomfortable with their finger on the trigger unless they are ready to shoot. Index your trigger finger you fucking idiot.

[Curt]

If only he could have a real argument with Ron about race. Too bad Ron sounds like a standup guy and wouldn't embarrass his friend who gave him a job opportunity.

Yeah, Ron would kill him in a race debate but never would go against a friend like that. Anthony blames his racism on the way he was brought up but I remember Ron saying once that blaming the way you act now on how you were raised is bullshit because when you go out in the world a realize that just because you were raised a certain way does not mean that way is right and finding that out is part of growing up. When I heard him say that I thought of Anthony how ignorant he sounded.

[YourAmishDaddy]

A good indicator of someone who does not respect firearms is when they have their finger on the trigger when the gun is not pointed at something they are willing to shoot.

Well maybe Ant will be upstairs when it goes off and a myriad of problems could be solved with one shot.

As for O&A, I still love Opie, I like Norton, and I hang around hoping Patrice, Louie CK or Burr show up. Especially loved the one time Louis CK delivered the slowest sweetest ass kicking ever heard on the show to Ant just after the Gates vs the cop incident.

Louis CK is the epitome of what the show tried to be. Topical, and can joke about race but can articulate his points brilliantly. He literally made Ant look about 3 inches tall that morning.

[CurseoftheBambi]

u got an audio of that YAD?

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

u got an audio of that YAD?

Word, I don't remember that show. I remember it existed and I found it funny then, but I literally don't remember a single line.

[K.C.]

If only he could have a real argument with Ron about race. Too bad Ron sounds like a standup guy and wouldn't embarrass his friend who gave him a job opportunity.

Ron's not exactly the fountain of wisdom either. He also benefits from a show, where the other people on the show don't really try, or aren't really capable, of being a legitimate foil to what he puts across. Fez actually makes better points on some things than anyone who listens would ever realize (and then of course, he makes some completely crazy points), but because he can't articulate his argument to save his life, no one would ever really know.

But Ron's at least open to discussion on things, which is all you can really ask, even if the conversation is usually him dominating 90% of it.

Ant's just intellectually dishonest most of the time. The most annoying thing about the show is when Opie and Jimmy suck his balls and tell him how smart he is. He's not.

I'll give him that he's intellectually curious, in that he apparently does take interest in a wide variety of things, but he's only curious enough to find something he can use to reinforce what it usually a preconceived viewpoint, regardless of whether it's actually true.

[IamFogHat]

If only he could have a real argument with Ron about race. Too bad Ron sounds like a standup guy and wouldn't embarrass his friend who gave him a job opportunity.

http://www.oapedia.com/images/Blackearl.jpg:innocent:

[yojimbo7248]

A good indicator of someone who does not respect firearms is when they have their finger on the trigger when the gun is not pointed at something they are willing to shoot. This is how accidental discharges occur, which do nothing to protect our right to bear arms. Someone who has been trained properly in how to safely use a firearm will feel very uncomfortable with their finger on the trigger unless they are ready to shoot. Index your trigger finger you fucking idiot.

good point. I guess it ties in with the lack of respect toward a firearm but there is also something annoying about the attitude. Seems as though he is treating a weapon as a thing to make himself look tough.

[underdog]

Ron's not exactly the fountain of wisdom either. He also benefits from a show, where the other people on the show don't really try, or aren't really capable, of being a legitimate foil to what he puts across. Fez actually makes better points on some things than anyone who listens would ever realize (and then of course, he makes some completely crazy points), but because he can't articulate his argument to save his life, no one would ever really know.

But Ron's at least open to discussion on things, which is all you can really ask, even if the conversation is usually him dominating 90% of it.

Ant's just intellectually dishonest most of the time. The most annoying thing about the show is when Opie and Jimmy suck his balls and tell him how smart he is. He's not.

I'll give him that he's intellectually curious, in that he apparently does take interest in a wide variety of things, but he's only curious enough to find something he can use to reinforce what it usually a preconceived viewpoint, regardless of whether it's actually true.

Ron is really good at taking any opposing side, though. Even if he doesn't believe it.

A Ron/Ant debate would be terrible because Ant would just start screaming.

[oPant]

When Ant does the Leonard Nemoy dentures impression it's always funny.

[KnoxHarrington]

good point. I guess it ties in with the lack of respect toward a firearm but there is also something annoying about the attitude. Seems as though he is treating a weapon as a thing to make himself look tough.

I grew up around and with guns. I will never point a gun at anyone, even if I know it's unloaded. You just never know. Yeah, you might have checked that the magazine's out, but is there one in the chamber and you forgot to check there?

[yojimbo7248]

I grew up around and with guns. I will never point a gun at anyone, even if I know it's unloaded. You just never know. Yeah, you might have checked that the magazine's out, but is there one in the chamber and you forgot to check there?

same with military training. Proper handling of a weapon is so drilled into you that it seriously makes me uncomfortable just seeing someone handle a weapon like that.

[angrymissy]

I grew up around and with guns. I will never point a gun at anyone, even if I know it's unloaded. You just never know. Yeah, you might have checked that the magazine's out, but is there one in the chamber and you forgot to check there?

My ex started becoming a gun nut towards the end of our relationship, and thought it was hilarious to point an AR-15 at people. It made me fucking crazy. You NEVER point a gun at anyone, loaded or unloaded. You never know. My Uncle used to let us trap shoot at his house, and that was drilled into our heads from a young age.

[KnoxHarrington]

My ex started becoming a gun nut towards the end of our relationship, and thought it was hilarious to point an AR-15 at people. It made me fucking crazy. You NEVER point a gun at anyone, loaded or unloaded. You never know. My Uncle used to let us trap shoot at his house, and that was drilled into our heads from a young age.

I would say leaving someone because they've become a gun nut is a good reason to end a relationship. It's not like they suddenly discovered they're into model trains or something.

[YourAmishDaddy]

u got an audio of that YAD?

I'll check.

[angrymissy]

I would say leaving someone because they've become a gun nut is a good reason to end a relationship. It's not like they suddenly discovered they're into model trains or something.

I dunno, model trains might freak me out even more

[Furtherman]

"That's a nice model, sir."

"Model?!"

[brettmojo]

"That's a nice model, sir."

"Model?!"
(gun hammer cocking)"I said... Get in."

[angrymissy]

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[YourAmishDaddy]

Louis Ck and Ant 7-30-09 (Even Opie chimes in)

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[CurseoftheBambi]

thanks YADaddy:clap:

[Curt]

"That's a nice model, sir."

"Model?!"

(gun hammer cocking)"I said... Get in."

:lol::lol: Oh, I miss when The Simpsons were funny.

[oPant]

Ant is a racist and it's not because a kid bullied him for 50 cents when he was young. Many people were bullied by black kids and are not racist.

[YourAmishDaddy]

thanks YADaddy:clap:

No prob.

I think that's revealing though. First I will always love Louis CK. And he's said some horrible stuff before that would offend me if I thought he was malicious, and if I gave a shit.. But Louis makes stuff funny. He thinks it out and his delivery is perfect. Plus when it's serious he knows what he's talking about.

Contrast that with Ant. Who used to have that. Ant used to be the nicer guy. And it was Opie who got angry and ranted. But when confronted with someone he can't just yell at and hang up on who presents himself well Ant loses that "immoral high ground" thing he does.

At this point I know he's probably like he is for lack of anyone challenging him at all. If Louis CK or even Patrice were permanent co-hosts the constant racism and bell ringing would be gone in a few weeks.

Plus there's still a bit of it being a work there too. Probably there to keep his inner circle from turning on him. He's stuck with it now to appease to the SteveFromBayshore handful of die-hards. And you can hear it. Which is just annoyingly uninteresting to most of us who just want humor.

[Contra]

same with military training. Proper handling of a weapon is so drilled into you that it seriously makes me uncomfortable just seeing someone handle a weapon like that.


Yeah I learned from my uncle, a Marine. He was always very adamant about not having your finger on the trigger unless there is intention, but this is clearly just a "I'm a douche with a gun" picture.

[Curt]

Louis Ck and Ant 7-30-09 (Even Opie chimes in)

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That is a perfect example of someone who uses critical thinking against someone who seeks information to back up his thoughts on a subject. As someone else posted earlier Anthony does seem to be intellectually curious but without critical thinking to try and interpret the facts you find that can do more harm than good.

[K.C.]

Hmmm...political and civics talk from Ant....or science talk from these guys:

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Tough call.....do Shaggy 2 Dope and Violent J have GEDs? Advantage: ICP.

[Zipgun]

Which is just annoyingly uninteresting to most of us who just want humor.

All I hear lately is anger, racism, yelling and repetition of the same old predictable gags. No humor. Yeah, that's what I want first thing in the morning.

And I'm really bothered lately by the fake "heh heh heh heh" laugh that he gives to himself in an almost congratulatory tone after some racist joke. I suppose it's because no one else in studio is laughing that he feels the need to add his own.

[Zipgun]

Curt, something about the way you're quoting people is fucking up all the margins. Cut the funny business.

Although, it looks like it started with YAD on the previous page.


Someone fix this bunk.

[Chigworthy]

Curt, something about the way you're quoting people is fucking up all the margins. Cut the funny business.

Although, it looks like it started with YAD on the previous page.


Someone fix this bunk.

I blame the N's. Heh heh heh heh.

[Misteriosa]

the clip doesnt work for me :-(

[CurseoftheBambi]

yeah doesnt work for me either... i couldnt play it at work but now that im home it looks like its been deleted.

[YourAmishDaddy]

For some reason the embedding is weird.

Direct link:
http://soundcloud.com/listenerdiscretion/opie-and-anthony-show-audio-7-30-2009

[YourAmishDaddy]

Which I can deal with 80% of what Ant does. Most of it is just silly nonsense from an empty man. What gets me is this oblivious attitude to someone like Obama or Gates. He constantly draws this parallel to violence and theft and murder. And to be honest there's a lot of violence in the "black community" but Obama's not doing it. Gates isn't doing it. The average black person on the street isn't.

In his mind every black person is poor and violent and on welfare. And by far the largest demographic on welfare is single white mothers. White females are also the largest recipients and beneficiaries of affirmitive action.

Then he says "pull yourself up by your boot straps" then in the same breath denounces some jobs program that would help them do just that. So, he doesn't want them to work, or get help getting jobs. But then bashes them for not working. And even if you are working, hell, even if you're the fucking president or one of the top guys at Harvard you're still not good enough.

How much pulling up up by one's boot straps can you get beyond being the president? And to him even with all that accomplishment you're still a nigger, worthy of his bell.

That kind of lack of intellect is astonishing to me.

[CurseoftheBambi]

ant's just wrapping his mouth...about obama not being there yet he does the same in every black and white cases. and he doesnt get ghetto violence...i guess we dont get why mafia *other italians * were violent against other italians. and no one was saying fiddy when he was young.

Louis is now my new hero.

oh and im liking ant is trying to speak and he's being shut out.


pull myself by my bootstraps what? you mean he's saying he never plays the "anthony" card to cops? bullfuckingshit.

[Recyclerz]

For some reason the embedding is weird.

Direct link:
http://soundcloud.com/listenerdiscretion/opie-and-anthony-show-audio-7-30-2009

Wow. Excellent & entertaining discussion from Louis CK. Based on that clip I now wish I had liked Lucky Louis more.

[StanUpshaw]

Holy shit, I hope Ant was watching 30 Rock tonight. They just lifted his "only whites on security system commercials" premise.

[Barnaby Jones]

Holy shit, I hope Ant was watching 30 Rock tonight. They just lifted his "only whites on security system commercials" premise.

I'm sure he ignores that people are most likely to be the victims of crimes perpetrated by someone of the same race as them!

[KnoxHarrington]

Wow. Excellent & entertaining discussion from Louis CK. Based on that clip I now wish I had liked Lucky Louis more.

Yeah, I wanted to like Lucky Louis more too, but it was pretty much what Everybody Loves Raymond would be like if Raymond was allowed to call his wife a cunt and the weird brother was allowed to show his cock and balls.

I mean, a better show, yeah, but still just a sitcom.

[Barnaby Jones]

Hopefully Louis' new FX sitcom won't be so awful!

[underdog]

Hopefully Louis' new FX sitcom won't be so awful!

Can't wait to see it. I really hope it's better.

[Space Edge]

I love Louie wish he would be on O&A more often.


Hopefully Louis' new FX sitcom won't be so awful!

Can't wait to see it. I really hope it's better.

Did you guys not like Lucky Louie ?

[underdog]

Did you guys not like Lucky Louie ?

It was ok, but I certainly wasn't surprised when it was cancelled.

My wife usually has virtually the same sense of humor as me and she fucking haaaaated that show.

[StanUpshaw]

Lucky Louie was alright. Mainly I was surprised how fucking hot Bobby Hill is in real life.

[Barnaby Jones]

Did you guys not like Lucky Louie ?

It was like a crappy mid-90's Fox sitcom with swearing. Total waste of Mr. CK!

[Space Edge]

It was ok, but I certainly wasn't surprised when it was cancelled.

My wife usually has virtually the same sense of humor as me and she fucking haaaaated that show.

Yeah fair enough I pretty much agree with you on that point.

It was like a crappy mid-90's Fox sitcom with swearing. Total waste of Mr. CK!

I didn't think it was that bad.


Ok back to Anthony being mental.

[K.C.]

Does Ant really think he's breaking ground by saying McDonalds advertises to blacks?? And what's his fucking point?

[CurseoftheBambi]

Uh...wow does the olive garden advertise to Italians...this is news?

[angrymissy]

I was only in the car for 5 minutes and got to hear a totally out of place racist joke. Ugh.

(It was someone telling Mary Carey to run for President, and Anthony telling her she'd have his vote because she's white)

[KnoxHarrington]

Does Ant really think he's breaking ground by saying McDonalds advertises to blacks?? And what's his fucking point?

My guess would be he cannot conceptualize having a racial identity without being racist.

[CurseoftheBambi]

I was only in the car for 5 minutes and got to hear a totally out of place racist joke. Ugh.

(It was someone telling Mary Carey to run for President, and Anthony telling her she'd have his vote because she's white)

makes that whole speel he was telling Louis CK false huh?
*as if we didn't know that*:thumbdown:

[TripleSkeet]

Uh...wow does the olive garden advertise to Italians...this is news?

I hope not. No self respecting Italian I know would ever eat that garbage they try to pass off as Italian food.

[CurseoftheBambi]

you're gonna cook me some italian food eh?:wink:

[Barnaby Jones]

I hope not. No self respecting Italian I know would ever eat that garbage they try to pass off as Italian food.

That guy took his old uncle there straight from Italy and he loved it! Quit being a snob!

[K.C.]

I was only in the car for 5 minutes and got to hear a totally out of place racist joke. Ugh.

(It was someone telling Mary Carey to run for President, and Anthony telling her she'd have his vote because she's white)

20 minutes for me, right in time to catch his McDonalds commercials rant beginning to end.

Jimmy actually even explained exactly the reasoning behind it to him in a realistic manner, but Ant didn't really want to hear any of it.

I think the point he was trying to make is that it's a blight on the black race that blacks allow McDonalds to market towards them and that they are inferior for not rising up against the evil McDonalds ploy to win their business....at least, that's what I THINK he was trying to say...

[TripleSkeet]

you're gonna cook me some italian food eh?:wink:

Ill take you over my parents for some real Italian food. We just have to eat in the yard. LOL J/K.



I think the point he was trying to make is that it's a blight on the black race that blacks allow McDonalds to market towards them and that they are inferior for not rising up against the evil McDonalds ploy to win their business....at least, that's what I THINK he was trying to say...

Im not sure. But in all honesty I look at McDonalds the same way I look at Newports and St. Ides. Every time I drive through a poor black neighborhood it seems like thats all the ads I see. Kool, Colt 45, KFC etc.

I mean, if I were taking an outside look I would think they were marketing to kill off the community as fast as they could. Youre looking at the strongest menthol cigarettes, unhealthiest food, and worst malt liquor out there. And Id see those ads in EVERY black neighborhood.

[Barnaby Jones]

Same kinda crap! The worst stuff are marketed to poor people! Very sad!

[TripleSkeet]

Same kinda crap! The worst stuff are marketed to poor people! Very sad!

I dont know too many of those around here. Usually the poor whites live in the black neighborhoods.

[marius]

i still enjoy hearing ant rant after all these years. for some people it touches a nerve. i can understand. but where is the "ant hates retards" thread? the "ant hates women with breast cancer" thread, "ant hates kids" thread, "ant hates gays" thread? ant, opie, norton, ron, and dave all joke about these topics and many more because they are entertainers. we listen to laugh and learn things(in rons show). so what if ant actually means what he says and isnt pulling a page from ron and fooling everyone even though they have been fooled before. it may be another bra bombing. if not so what. he has a demo to cater to. norton goes off on "mentally unstable" people all the time. i have a few of those people in my life and i wasnt offended. no big deal. stop listening if you dont like it.

[Death Metal Moe]

For myself and a lot of people, we're nowhere near offended by Anthony's racism.

We're bored with the same predictable, boring shtick over and over and over and over again.

If race comes up on the show Anthony goes through the same motions, you can pretty much predict the script for the next few minutes.

The subject matter isn't offensive, the fact that he does the same shit and tries to pass it as entertainment is offensive.

[Space Edge]

For myself and a lot of people, we're nowhere near offended by Anthony's racism.

We're bored with the same predictable, boring shtick over and over and over and over again.

If race comes up on the show Anthony goes through the same motions, you can pretty much predict the script for the next few minutes.

The subject matter isn't offensive, the fact that he does the same shit and tries to pass it as entertainment is offensive.

Yeah I'm with you on that I'm not offended by him, just sick of hearing him saying the same thing over and over again every single day.

[KnoxHarrington]

Yeah I'm with you on that I'm not offended by him, just sick of hearing him saying the same thing over and over again every single day.

Yeah, I hated the "bell ding to cover racial slur" bit because it's witless and repetitive.

And the joke to Mary Carey quoted above is another good example: it's just a really awful, lame racist joke shoehorned into the show for no good reason. Just to be racist.

[Space Edge]

Yeah, I hated the "bell ding to cover racial slur" bit because it's witless and repetitive.

And the joke to Mary Carey quoted above is another good example: it's just a really awful, lame racist joke shoehorned into the show for no good reason. Just to be racist.

It's overkill, I doubt he will ever change. I'm just enjoying these shows while they last b/c I do think the end is somewhat near.

[CurseoftheBambi]

making a prediction...the minute that the show is over, we'll see ant like never before on paltalk all sorts of hours trying to be in the 'fan' rooms because he's bored as shit. And wants to make nice nice.:thumbdown:

[hydee]

stop listening if you dont like it.

I hate hate hate this way of thinking. I pay for Xm and Sirius mostly for 202 and all the dance channels. If you don't have a problem with the show doing a huge 180 from being a show about guys "doin' the hang" to a constant barrage of hate speech that is on you. I honestly don't know what you find entertaining about it but everyone's taste is different. I bought and paid for XM for the show they started with, not the shit that Anthony helped the show become.

I hate that I am still paying for a service that only supplies me with 75% of the fun it used to. I hate that not only am I affected, by this but so is Jim and Opie. I honestly can't wait until they are done with their contract and Opie and Jim can go and find someone less filled with hate to work with.

I loved yesterday listening to Anthony completely disrespect Opie to his face with his rant on how when you become a parent you are trapped and how it wasn't for him. Knowing full well Opie is going to become a father any second. He did it on purpose and he didn't even care. "OH this is just how I feel about it" sure fucker sell it to people that give a fuck.

[brettmojo]

I loved yesterday listening to Anthony completely disrespect Opie to his face with his rant on how when you become a parent you are trapped and how it wasn't for him. Knowing full well Opie is going to become a father any second. He did it on purpose and he didn't even care. "OH this is just how I feel about it" sure fucker sell it to people that give a fuck.
Exactly. He has more issues than Jim.

[Space Edge]

I hate hate hate this way of thinking. I pay for Xm and Sirius mostly for 202 and all the dance channels. If you don't have a problem with the show doing a huge 180 from being a show about guys "doin' the hang" to a constant barrage of hate speech that is on you. I honestly don't know what you find entertaining about it but everyone's taste is different. I bought and paid for XM for the show they started with, not the shit that Anthony helped the show become.

I hate that I am still paying for a service that only supplies me with 75% of the fun it used to. I hate that not only am I affected, by this but so is Jim and Opie. I honestly can't wait until they are done with their contract and Opie and Jim can go and find someone less filled with hate to work with.

I loved yesterday listening to Anthony completely disrespect Opie to his face with his rant on how when you become a parent you are trapped and how it wasn't for him. Knowing full well Opie is going to become a father any second. He did it on purpose and he didn't even care. "OH this is just how I feel about it" sure fucker sell it to people that give a fuck.

I don't mind discussing the stupid shit they say (that's the point of a discussion board) but changing the channel when Anthony goes on a rant is pretty logical for me at least. I love O&A and R&F but when they talk about something I'm not into or it's boring show there is 4 or 5 other shows I like on the platform that I will check out. Why sit there and torture yourself listening to something you don't like. When Anthony goes on a rant or talks politics I fast forward since I can't stand that talk. When R&F bring in the "wack pack" or friends of the show I fast forward through it instead of torturing myself listening to it. Just my two cents.

[K.C.]

making a prediction...the minute that the show is over, we'll see ant like never before on paltalk all sorts of hours trying to be in the 'fan' rooms because he's bored as shit. And wants to make nice nice.:thumbdown:

I think it's more likely he starts a new show from his house, a la Live from the Compound, and hooks up with some "new friends."
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

[Serpico1103]

As others have said. Ant being a racist or not is'nt the issue. The issue is the unfunny rants he goes on when certain subjects come up; anything to do with a black person, guns, taxes, blackjack, the environment, etc. He just screams and tells everyone to shut up. If I want unfunny opinions I disagree with I'll listen to Rush.

[K.C.]

As others have said. Ant being a racist or not is'nt the issue. The issue is the unfunny rants he goes on when certain subjects come up; anything to do with a black person, guns, taxes, blackjack, the environment, etc. He just screams and tells everyone to shut up. If I want unfunny opinions I disagree with I'll listen to Rush.

One feeds the other though.

Race based humor can be very funny....but Ant being legitimately racist and obsessed with it is why he doesn't really even try to present it in a humorous manner at this point...because he believes it now, and it's hard to be entertaining when you're presenting things in "issue" form, as he does with all that aforementioned stuff.

[Dan 'Hampton]

If I lived in an ungated mcmansion development right off the lie in Nassau county I'd be afraid too. Unfortunately he's paid too much money to the ex to get him a REAL nice house. Don't get me wrong he's got a nice place but I think the rubes dreaming of living in a doublewide are the ones drooling over his place. Not someone who's seen and worked in high class homes.

[underdog]

If I lived in an ungated mcmansion development right off the lie in Nassau county I'd be afraid too. Unfortunately he's paid too much money to the ex to get him a REAL nice house. Don't get me wrong he's got a nice place but I think the rubes dreaming of living in a doublewide are the ones drooling over his place. Not someone who's seen and worked in high class homes.

I have to agree. His house is WAY too close to the road, too.

[Chigworthy]

I have to agree. His house is WAY too close to the road, too.

I can't believe he went with those window treatments.

[underdog]

I can't believe he went with those window treatments.

I wasn't kidding. Have you see the picture of his house? If you're going to pay that much for a home, at least have a semblance of a front yard.

And that's not a shot at Ant, that's a shot at every asshole who bought ones of those mcmansions.

[oPant]

I wasn't kidding. Have you see the picture of his house? I.

No do you have a link of the pics?

[reformed]

I think Ant's constant interjection of race into every topic is indicative of the current state of America. Some talking head called it the "...death throws of racism...". While I find it unlistenable and lacking any merit, I do appreaciate his honesty. The majority of the social conservative media isn't honest enough to state their true feelings. I may not agree with Hair Plugs, but at least he lets you know where he stands. Acting as if racism doesn't exist only allows ignorance to continue without challenge. Look at the Tea Party movement. Their issues (depending on your view) may hold some validity, but they have embraced ignorant followers to show their strength. They cannot be taken seriously because the majority of the movement is motivated by racism but it is never stated. Hiding behind fear of taxation or socialist agendas, is cowardly. And I am not suggesting all of TP are motivated by racism, but it is undeniable many are. I am not supporting Ant's position (I stopped listening months ago) but I support his right to have it and am thankful I know where he stands.

[Chigworthy]

death throws

[oPant]

I think Ant's constant interjection of race into every topic is indicative of the current state of America. .

If you mean the last 59 years yes, if you mean the last few years, no. Ant's always been racist. The only difference is that he seems to use if more freely now in trying to be funny. I find Italian Americans to be on of the most racist people against blacks.

[Sue_Bender]

If you mean the last 59 years yes, if you mean the last few years, no. Ant's always been racist. The only difference is that he seems to use if more freely now in trying to be funny. I find Italian Americans to be on of the most racist people against blacks.

Your stereotyping is just as ignorant as Anthony's.


What a joke.

[CurseoftheBambi]

I think it's more likely he starts a new show from his house, a la Live from the Compound, and hooks up with some "new friends."
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/

Oh I agree with this but you know he'll come on paltalk cause some part of his mind knows he needs the fans to make his show valid. And besides...like those Panzerfaust guys who disbaned when it was found out one of their group members wasn't "pure" I predict his new "friends" will leave him in the lurch and he'll come back to paltalk people

Welcome back,
Your dreams were your ticket out.

Welcome back,
To that same old place that you laughed about.

Well the names have all changed since you hung around,
But those dreams have remained and they're turned around.

Who'd have thought they'd lead ya (Who'd have thought they'd lead ya)
Here where we need ya (Here where we need ya)

Yeah we tease him a lot cause we've hot him on the spot, welcome back,
Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.

[CurseoftheBambi]

death throws

"look at this creature she's in a death throe...look at her she's gorgeous!" ahhh...when Ant was funny.

[boobieman]

Happy birfday to the psycho..hope he makes it anther 50...

SSSYEYYAAAA

[hydee]

I think Ant's constant interjection of race into every topic is indicative of the current state of America. Some talking head called it the "...death throws of racism...". While I find it unlistenable and lacking any merit, I do appreaciate his honesty. The majority of the social conservative media isn't honest enough to state their true feelings. I may not agree with Hair Plugs, but at least he lets you know where he stands. Acting as if racism doesn't exist only allows ignorance to continue without challenge. Look at the Tea Party movement. Their issues (depending on your view) may hold some validity, but they have embraced ignorant followers to show their strength. They cannot be taken seriously because the majority of the movement is motivated by racism but it is never stated. Hiding behind fear of taxation or socialist agendas, is cowardly. And I am not suggesting all of TP are motivated by racism, but it is undeniable many are. I am not supporting Ant's position (I stopped listening months ago) but I support his right to have it and am thankful I know where he stands.

Why would you give a fuck about where he stands? Where he stands is his business and not ours. Christ I wish he would keep all this bullshit to his lame ass compound show and his yes men and party friends. I don't give a rats ass where he stands. Just like I don't care about Dave and Casey's personal drama. I don't care that Anthony is a card carrying racist, or that he is rich as fuck, or that he has really cheap imitations of what real rich people have ( I am looking at you Anthony's retirement home movie theater).

Everyone has the right to an opinion but when you take your personal opinion and manage to ruin your show, make your co hosts feel uncomfortable and question every guest about whether or not they know the secret white power hand shake it's less a personal opinion and more of an attention whoring move. CHRIST we get it Anthony you hate blacks your dream is to kill a black man while saving a white woman. We know. How anyone can be grateful for knowing this is beyond me. It's post like yours that make me happy I moved to Canada.

BTW the tea party people are as dumb as a bag for of hammers, 95% of the US got a tax cut. The country is no longer socially stagnate and people like us again. OMG the horror.

The only beef the TPers have is that their president is black and they lost their shit over it. And I am guessing these are the 23% of the US that thought Bush was a great president and Palin is presidential material. A women hating person that was so dumb she quit her job because she was to dumb as fuck to know how to do it in rough economical times. Sure those Tea Party people are amazing.

[reformed]

I don't care where he stands from a wanting to get to know him view. I care because it makes it clear his show is not for me. And the nature of his racism leaves no room for his supporters to hide and claim it's a bit. This is the point I was making with the Tea Party. They are tolerated in the media and in political discussions, and only a handful of PWM (people with mikes) are calling them out. It is insane. I thought I stated clearly I believed their underlying motive to be racism. Some people truly believe it is okay to back them and not recognize this. That is the problem. If they had the balls to state what they truly felt, you would see a lot less support from people to afraid to hear the truth. Their lack of honesty and our over-tolerance are equally sad.

Just to be clear, I never mentioned, much less defended Sarah Palin. I feel the same way about her as I do about the Tea Party. I wish she had said "white Americans" instead of "real Americans", because it wouldn't give her followers an out either.

[TjM]

If I lived in an ungated mcmansion development right off the lie in Nassau county I'd be afraid too. Unfortunately he's paid too much money to the ex to get him a REAL nice house. Don't get me wrong he's got a nice place but I think the rubes dreaming of living in a doublewide are the ones drooling over his place. Not someone who's seen and worked in high class homes.

Couldn't he have gotten a nice house in a good suburb instead?

[CurseoftheBambi]

Couldn't he have gotten a nice house in a good suburb instead?

they didnt want his kind there.

[Serpico1103]

Couldn't he have gotten a nice house in a good suburb instead?
He wanted to be close to the LIE. Any kind of property in a nice neighborhood is tremendously expensive. Some of the nicest neighborhoods on Long Island are up there, but they cost a lot of money. Maybe Ant is wisely saving his money. Also, I think he bought the property and had the house built at the peak of the real estate boom. Its a great house for an average guy. Its a substandard house for someone who gambles 10k on a hand of blackjack.

[Chigworthy]

He wanted to be close to the LIE. Any kind of property in a nice neighborhood is tremendously expensive. Some of the nicest neighborhoods on Long Island are up there, but they cost a lot of money. Maybe Ant is wisely saving his money. Also, I think he bought the property and had the house built at the peak of the real estate boom. Its a great house for an average guy. Its a substandard house for someone who gambles 10k on a hand of blackjack.

It must be very disappointing for the vapid pornstars when they finally see "The Compound".

[Zipgun]

I have gone from wishing for a single day where he doesn't go into race on the show to now just asking for an hour.

Please. Can we have just 1 hour of the show it doesn't come up?

[yojimbo7248]

I have gone from wishing for a single day where he doesn't go into race on the show to now just asking for an hour.

Please. Can we have just 1 hour of the show it doesn't come up?

impossible. it ruined the show. haven't listened in months. The Fez vs Dave bit is radio gold compared to Ant's angry racist old Italian man persona.

[Curt]

I have gone from wishing for a single day where he doesn't go into race on the show to now just asking for an hour.

Please. Can we have just 1 hour of the show it doesn't come up?

What was he ranting about today? Anything specific or just the normal racist bullshit?

[Death Metal Moe]

I have gone from wishing for a single day where he doesn't go into race on the show to now just asking for an hour.

Please. Can we have just 1 hour of the show it doesn't come up?

I wish he had a weekly birthday. The Monday show he took off was fucking awesome. Rich Vos in studio was great.

[Space Edge]

impossible. it ruined the show. haven't listened in months. The Fez vs Dave bit is radio gold compared to Ant's angry racist old Italian man persona.

Both of those scenarios you just brought up suck a hot bowl of dicks. Both shows started on the decline a long long time ago and more people are starting to notice it now. I do truly believe that both will come to a end soon. I like turning into these shows to laugh and maybe think about stuff they talk about now when I tune into them it's race, complaining, fighting and crying. When both O&A and R&F go into their everyday cycle of the same shit, I turn into Stern or Jay Thomas.

[Contra]

Both of those scenarios you just brought up suck a hot bowl of dicks. Both shows started on the decline a long long time ago and more people are starting to notice it now. I do truly believe that both will come to a end soon. I like turning into these shows to laugh and maybe think about stuff they talk about now when I tune into them it's race, complaining, fighting and crying. When both O&A and R&F go into their everyday cycle of the same shit, I turn into Stern or Jay Thomas.


Damn thanks Debbie Downer

[Zipgun]

What was he ranting about today? Anything specific or just the normal racist bullshit?

Normal racist bullshit.

[Zipgun]

Normal racist bullshit.

Oh yeah... I forgot to add that the only laughter in the studio after his diatribes, was his own.

[Space Edge]

Opie posted on his Twitter that he is at his brother in laws wedding in Philly, I'm assuming he won't be there tomorrow. Hopefully they run a Worst Of instead of Anthony hosting the show.

[Slumbag]

Opie posted on his Twitter that he is at his brother in laws wedding in Philly, I'm assuming he won't be there tomorrow. Hopefully they run a Worst Of instead of Anthony hosting the show.

Are you kidding?
If Ant and Danny hosted, this thread would jump to 4,000 posts in one day.

But yeah, I'm thinking Worst Of.

[Space Edge]

Are you kidding?
If Ant and Danny hosted, this thread would jump to 4,000 posts in one day.

But yeah, I'm thinking Worst Of.

Yeah remember Jimmy is away for a comedy gig. I hate when one of them is out and the other is forced to host by themselves. That just started to happen post merger. Back in the day they never did a show without each other. Anthony is bad at hosting. There is no direction, he doesn't take calls and tends to ramble on. When it's Opie alone it's devoid of humor. Both of them together generally makes a good show, IMO.

[oPant]

Opie posted on his Twitter that he is at his brother in laws wedding in Philly, I'm assuming he won't be there tomorrow. Hopefully they run a Worst Of instead of Anthony hosting the show.

Philly is less than 2 hours from NYC. Unless his BIL is getting married Friday afternoon to save money on a catering hall there is no reason for him to miss a show.

They are both lazy and forget what real work is, and think they are entitled to Fridays off like Howard gets.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Philly is less than 2 hours from NYC. Unless his BIL is getting married Friday afternoon to save money on a catering hall there is no reason for him to miss a show.

They are both lazy and forget what real work is, and think they are entitled to Fridays off like Howard gets.

Shut it faggot.

[brettmojo]

Shut it faggot.
Truth hurts?

[Dan 'Hampton]

No personaly I don't care if they take days off. I know I enjoy long weekends. Plus opie is about to be a father. Go out, enjoy the sunshine, bang a chick. Do something else besides bitch, jerkoff and watch comic book movies.

[Space Edge]

I think most people are upset that when they takeoff they never give a notice, like at the end of a show saying hey tomorrows going to be a best of since we have things to do. In the history of the show they have never done that. Personally I'll take a worst of instead of either Opie or Anthony hosting the show alone. The shows are usually horrible when it's only one of them in.

[hanso]

They don't even say when the show is ending sometimes. They will say they are cutting to break.

[oPant]

They don't even say when the show is ending sometimes. They will say they are cutting to break.

That part sucks because if I am listening to a torrent DL of the show I don't know if I am missing the end sometimes.

[Space Edge]

They don't even say when the show is ending sometimes. They will say they are cutting to break.

That's nothing new they have always done that, say they are going to a break and they comeback with a old bit or something else.

[oPant]

That's nothing new they have always done that, say they are going to a break and they comeback with a old bit or something else.

They want to sneak out before the bosses can talk to them.

[IamFogHat]

Has Op dropped the work horse bit finally or is he in denial?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Workhorse was sarcasm. And if you have a problem with them leaving without notice don't ever check out the site with the wnew days. They'd go on vacatin without notice. If it effects your everyday life that much maybe you need a hiatus.

[IamFogHat]

Workhorse was sarcasm. And if you have a problem with them leaving without notice don't ever check out the site with the wnew days. They'd go on vacatin without notice. If it effects your everyday life that much maybe you need a hiatus.

It's a show I listen to every day because I enjoy it and it helps me get through hellish work weeks. Yeah it bothers me when they're not there constantly. And why would I need a hiatus? Sounds like the argument of a five year old. "you're stupid," "no you're stupid!":tongue:

[brettmojo]

Workhorse was sarcasm.
Bullshit. He touted the fuck out of that when they were constantly bitching about Howard taking all the time off that he does. "We're the workhorses of satellite yet they give millions to Hoo-Hoo!?!" Fucking sarcasm my asshole.

If you're gonna' play this apologetic character bit for a couple of millionaires that can't seem to be bothered to show up for 4 hrs 15 mins of work for 5 days a week at least do a good job of it.

[oPant]

Bullshit. He touted the fuck out of that when they were constantly bitching about Howard taking all the time off that he does. "We're the workhorses of satellite yet they give millions to Hoo-Hoo!?!" Fucking sarcasm my asshole.

If you're gonna' play this apologetic character bit for a couple of millionaires that can't seem to be bothered to show up for 4 hrs 15 mins of work for 5 days a week at least do a good job of it.

Exactly at first it was a slight towards Howie, now that they are taking every personal and sick day that they can they become hypocrites and play the "I was only kidding" card and say that it is sarcastic.

[brettmojo]

Exactly at first it was a slight towards Howie, now that they are taking every personal and sick day that they can they become hypocrites and play the "I was only kidding" card and say that it is sarcastic.
And I don't blame them for taking the days if they have them. But what the fuck? You can't mention it a couple times during the week that there's no show on Friday? R&F go far and beyond above what they would need to show that they care about their audience by taking care of them with extra shows they tape etc.

Why not ask for input on what to play for the worst-of as well instead of jamming the same half dozen bits we've heard over and over and over again?

[Dan 'Hampton]

Bullshit. He touted the fuck out of that when they were constantly bitching about Howard taking all the time off that he does. "We're the workhorses of satellite yet they give millions to Hoo-Hoo!?!" Fucking sarcasm my asshole.

If you're gonna' play this apologetic character bit for a couple of millionaires that can't seem to be bothered to show up for 4 hrs 15 mins of work for 5 days a week at least do a good job of it.
Haha. Them getting a day off doesn't effect me too much. When they do I check out old shows or catch up on podcasts. Or question my life that I've become sad that a RADIO show took the day off. Get a fucking life.

[Dirtbag]

Compared to Howard they are workhorses. But when the show right after them on the same channel is taping shows for when they know they won't be in the next day it is kind of annoying.

[brettmojo]

Haha. Them getting a day off doesn't effect me too much. When they do I check out old shows or catch up on podcasts. Or question my life that I've become sad that a RADIO show took the day off. Get a fucking life.
It has nothing to do with how it "effects" anybody. I don't even listen to the show unless I'm in my car and they happen to be on. I don't bother bringing my Inno in from the car anymore, haven't in over a year.

It's about being decent to their audience. They treat their audience like shit and they wonder why they can't do live events anymore or why their bosses don't take them seriously. Why... If your Sirius management... Would you bother putting effort into marketing or highlighting a show that puts the minimum effort out there to it's audience? You wouldn't.

I get it, the show doesn't effect you at all. That's why you're always in this thread saying it doesn't effect you at all. Continue to add nothing by telling us all this in every other post you make in the future.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Affect!!! The word is Affect!!!


I don't care that they take days off, I just think it would be courteous to say, "Hey best of tomorrow." If it's not planned ok, but to know that you're taking off but not say shit is shitty behaviour at best. I just think it would go a long way. For example, if I am going out and it's a long drive I will listen, but if they say hey no show tomorrow, then I can load up my iPod or my phone and be on my way. If they say nothing then it's a best-of and I'm forced to put up with whatever post-merger shite that Sirius music channels have to offer.

[Space Edge]

The best part about calling themselves workhorses is that Stern still does more time on the radio only doing 4 days then they do in 5 days.

Compared to Howard they are workhorses. But when the show right after them on the same channel is taping shows for when they know they won't be in the next day it is kind of annoying.

Not really Howard does more radio in 4 days then they do in 5 and that doesn't include the stupid Howard Stern Wrap Up show if you include that he really blows them out of the water.

[Space Edge]

Bullshit. He touted the fuck out of that when they were constantly bitching about Howard taking all the time off that he does. "We're the workhorses of satellite yet they give millions to Hoo-Hoo!?!" Fucking sarcasm my asshole.

If you're gonna' play this apologetic character bit for a couple of millionaires that can't seem to be bothered to show up for 4 hrs 15 mins of work for 5 days a week at least do a good job of it.

4 hrs and 15 mins you are being generous Commercial Free it's anywhere between 3:35:00-3:40:00

[underdog]

4 hrs and 15 mins you are being generous Commercial Free it's anywhere between 3:35:00-3:40:00

O&A is virtually the same time as R&F with commercials stripped, if not shorter. And they are on an extra hour.

[dereckfishboy]

Haha. Them getting a day off doesn't effect me too much. When they do I check out old shows or catch up on podcasts. Or question my life that I've become sad that a RADIO show took the day off. Get a fucking life.

Trading barbs on an internet fan site over the subject kind of negates your ability to cite the old "get a life" argument, bud. You clearly take the shit too seriously as well, just on the other end of the scale.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Actually I just enjoy coming on this thread and stirring the shit.

[IamFogHat]

Actually I just enjoy coming on this thread and stirring the shit.

Sure you do, Captain Invested.

[Dan 'Hampton]

No actually I'm flying free now. It's liberating.

[dereckfishboy]

Actually I just enjoy coming on this thread and stirring the shit.
Yeah, I'm not surprised your response to that would be to pretend you're above it all. Feign superiority all you want, you're standing in the same muck as the people you're slinging mud at, regardless of how you sell your motive. Fine and dandy, I'm just calling bullshit on your claim that somehow your investment in the show is somehow less pathetic. Go back to your lame posturing now, bud.

[Space Edge]

O&A is virtually the same time as R&F with commercials stripped, if not shorter. And they are on an extra hour.

There are days where R&F do 20 more mins then O&A.

The average show times are like this

Stern anywhere between 04:40:00 - 04:58:00 (that doesn't include the Wrap Up Show)
O&A anywhere between 03:34:00 - 03:48:00
R&F anywhere between 03-40:00- 03:46:00

I love O&A, I listen everyday and have every single show they have ever done archived (except for the few missing shows from WNEW that nobody has.) I'm a huge fan but when they call themselves workhorses it's so douchey.

[oPant]

There are days where R&F do 20 more mins then O&A.

The average show times are like this

Stern anywhere between 04:40:00 - 04:58:00 (that doesn't include the Wrap Up Show)
O&A anywhere between 03:34:00 - 03:48:00
R&F anywhere between 03-40:00- 03:46:00

I love O&A, I listen everyday and have every single show they have ever done archived (except for the few missing shows from WNEW that nobody has.) I'm a huge fan but when they call themselves workhorses it's so douchey.

I have several downloaded shows on iTunes

April 2010 (don't have all the shows)

OnA 03:40:00 to 04:08:00

RnF 03:06:00 to 03:42:00

[hanso]

Sam Roberts is the workhorse he does the m-f shows. Then does 2 weekend shows.

[oPant]

Sam Roberts is the workhorse he does the m-f shows. Then does 2 weekend shows.

The true workhorses of radio were Ron and Fez when they were at WNEW and did a live 4 hour show before and after O&A for a while.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Workhorse and radio is an oxymoron.

[brettmojo]

4 hrs and 15 mins you are being generous Commercial Free it's anywhere between 3:35:00-3:40:00
It's satellite there are no commeri... Oh yeah.

[hanso]

Ant will be an Oliver Stone fan if/when his movie of Hitler comes out. It will paint him in a good light.

[TripleSkeet]

I dont agree with most of his rants, but he was right on today when talking about the whole situation with the kids getting sent home for wearing U.S. flag shit today. That would never have happened if the roles were reversed. That and the affirmative action stuff. I never agreed with that bullshit.

[hydee]

I dont agree with most of his rants, but he was right on today when talking about the whole situation with the kids getting sent home for wearing U.S. flag shit today. That would never have happened if the roles were reversed. That and the affirmative action stuff. I never agreed with that bullshit.

The day the Patriot Act was signed, those shirts became obsolete anyway so what is the point of getting upset when someone asks you to take it off. America isn't what it was and the flag and the eagle and all those other symbols belong to a time that is done.

I think it actually might be time to either give up these old time ideals and move on to what the US and the world is becoming.

I am an American, I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. My generation is the first in my family to NOT have a a person in the armed forces. I have grown up with blue collor blood, and the flag hanging from my door way all my life. I moved out the the country when I saw that world crumble after the Patriot act signed and Bush was re-elected. Even my Bio dad who served 2 tours in Vietnam, understood why I was leaving. Although he didn't agree with me.

[Zorro]

The day the Patriot Act was signed, those shirts became obsolete anyway so what is the point of getting upset when someone asks you to take it off. America isn't what it was and the flag and the eagle and all those other symbols belong to a time that is done.

I think it actually might be time to either give up these old time ideals and move on to what the US and the world is becoming.

I am an American, I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. My generation is the first in my family to NOT have a a person in the armed forces. I have grown up with blue collor blood, and the flag hanging from my door way all my life. I moved out the the country when I saw that world crumble after the Patriot act signed and Bush was re-elected. Even my Bio dad who served 2 tours in Vietnam, understood why I was leaving. Although he didn't agree with me.

So you moved to a country that has fewer civil rights than the US...pretty smart.

[Barnaby Jones]

IThat and the affirmative action stuff. I never agreed with that bullshit.

Probably because you don't understand it! Maybe I can help you out!

[hydee]

So you moved to a country that has fewer civil rights than the US...pretty smart.

I moved to a place where I felt my liberties mattered and my philophy of life matched.

I get great health care, educational opportunities, the feeling of safety, and so much more that it would take me a month to go into all the great things where I live. They are putting in 5 communal gardens and 2 farmers markets all in about a 10 mile area this year.

It's wonderful to trust police again. It's wonderful to know that my gay friends can hold hands and kiss if they want walking down the street. It's great to be surrounded people that actually care about their gov't and not about what the gov't is doing for them. Montreal is a very free place to live.

[TripleSkeet]

Probably because you don't understand it! Maybe I can help you out!

I understand it fine, no thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

[Dan 'Hampton]

Sounds like a bunch of Anthony Cumia's in here.

[Barnaby Jones]

I understand it fine, no thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!

Give me a shout out when you want to rap about some real life!

[Dell]

http://sciencefun.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/fyourtheory.jpg

I think we may be at this point now...:wink:

[CountryBob]

The day the Patriot Act was signed, those shirts became obsolete anyway so what is the point of getting upset when someone asks you to take it off. America isn't what it was and the flag and the eagle and all those other symbols belong to a time that is done.

I think it actually might be time to either give up these old time ideals and move on to what the US and the world is becoming.

I am an American, I was born and raised in Pittsburgh. My generation is the first in my family to NOT have a a person in the armed forces. I have grown up with blue collor blood, and the flag hanging from my door way all my life. I moved out the the country when I saw that world crumble after the Patriot act signed and Bush was re-elected. Even my Bio dad who served 2 tours in Vietnam, understood why I was leaving. Although he didn't agree with me.

Wow! You really changed countries just because of the Patriot Act and George Bush? Damn, I must be an idiot because I just suck it up and deal with it. I aint giving up my land and country EVER! Red, White and Blue! Buy Bonds! My Uncle is Uncle Sam!

[hydee]

Wow! You really changed countries just because of the Patriot Act and George Bush? Damn, I must be an idiot because I just suck it up and deal with it. I aint giving up my land and country EVER! Red, White and Blue! Buy Bonds! My Uncle is Uncle Sam!

Why would I want to live in a country that is a lie. America isn't land of the free anymore Country bob it's a police state where probable cause is thrown out the window and the gov't and the police are free to terrify it's citizens and ignore their rights on a whim.

I wasn't happy living in a place that stagnated for 8 years while a mad man lied himself into a war for Shakespearean revenge for his father instead of governing the country for his people. My dad like Jeb better so I am going to kill Sadam to prove I am the better son. That was the point of the Iraq war and it's shameful and disgusting, and a crime for fucks sake.

All the while education , medial advancement, social advancement, environment advancement in the US have suffered in ways we might never know. There was nothing left for me to be proud of, that is why I left. The Patriot Act ruined everything America stood for, and Bush was everything I thought the US was against. So I left and I am happier and healthier in mind and body for it.

[brettmojo]

Why would I want to live in a country that is a lie. America isn't land of the free anymore Country bob it's a police state where probable cause is thrown out the window and the gov't and the police are free to terrify it's citizens and ignore their rights on a whim.

I wasn't happy living in a place that stagnated for 8 years while a mad man lied himself into a war for Shakespearean revenge for his father instead of governing the country for his people. My dad like Jeb better so I am going to kill Sadam to prove I am the better son. That was the point of the Iraq war and it's shameful and disgusting, and a crime for fucks sake.

All the while education , medial advancement, social advancement, environment advancement in the US have suffered in ways we might never know. There was nothing left for me to be proud of, that is why I left. The Patriot Act ruined everything America stood for, and Bush was everything I thought the US was against. So I left and I am happier and healthier in mind and body for it.
And puuunnnntttt...

[CurseoftheBambi]

i give you credit unlike most who said they would leave if W. got in office you actally did it. props for that.:clap:

[CountryBob]

I hope it all works out for you - and if you ever want to come back I will welcome you with open arms. Being happy is all that matters!

I guess it confuses me how some people react this drastically to things going on - like you described. But, I am sure that it works the same for you when you see someone like me that dosent sweat much about policy or military issues. I just focus on more personal stuff - who to bang, where to drink, when to golf - my life is fun!

[brettmojo]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kuu485i9Ks1qztjn5o1_500.png

[oPant]

Ant is crazy. The cab driver who he says is going 20 in the tunnel is probably doing 65.

[TripleSkeet]

Give me a shout out when you want to rap about some real life!

Sigh. Is that what affirmative action is now? Real life? I dont even know what thats supposed to mean.

How exactly is being "real life" supposed to make it right or wrong in my eyes? Cant you just accept the fact that there are people out there that understand exactly how certain things work, yet dont agree with your viewpoint on them? with them? I know why affirmative action was started, I just think its bullshit. Why would me disagreeing with it mean I dont understand it?

By the way, how bout those Phils? :thumbup:

[Barnaby Jones]

Sigh. Is that what affirmative action is now? Real life? I dont even know what thats supposed to mean.

How exactly is being "real life" supposed to make it right or wrong in my eyes? Cant you just accept the fact that there are people out there that understand exactly how certain things work, yet dont agree with your viewpoint on them? with them? I know why affirmative action was started, I just think its bullshit. Why would me disagreeing with it mean I dont understand it?

By the way, how bout those Phils? :thumbup:

If you think it's not necessary or that it's "bullshit" you're either in denial or you don't understand it! If you would like, I can, unfortunately, provide you with a mountain of studies that show that women and minorities too often do not get a fair shake in the job market or when applying to schools and the like! It's not a perfect system, but it's a necessary one and much better than doing nothing at all and pretending that everyone has the same chances and opportunities!

[brettmojo]

If you think it's not necessary or that it's "bullshit" you're either in denial or you don't understand it! If you would like, I can, unfortunately, provide you with a mountain of studies that show that women and minorities too often do not get a fair shake in the job market or when applying to schools and the like! It's not a perfect system, but it's a necessary one and much better than doing nothing at all and pretending that everyone has the same chances and opportunities!
I know right? It's obvious the overwhelming bias against blacks and other minorities out there. Until we get a minority in the White Hou... Oh yeah.

[Barnaby Jones]

I know right? It's obvious the overwhelming bias against blacks and other minorities out there. Until we get a minority in the White Hou... Oh yeah.

The exception doesn't prove the rule! If you think Obama being elected means racial bias has been fixed, you're nuts! And like I said, affirmative action isn't just for minorities! It's helped and will keep helping more white women than any other group! It's helping to make the American Dream more available to everyone, which we should all want! God bless America!

[Dan 'Hampton]

The exception doesn't prove the rule! If you think Obama being elected means racial bias has been fixed, you're nuts! And like I said, affirmative action isn't just for minorities! It's helped and will keep helping more white women than any other group! It's helping to make the American Dream more available to everyone, which we should all want! God bless America!

American dream is dead. you're retarded for still believing.

[brettmojo]

The exception doesn't prove the rule! If you think Obama being elected means racial bias has been fixed, you're nuts! And like I said, affirmative action isn't just for minorities! It's helped and will keep helping more white women than any other group! It's helping to make the American Dream more available to everyone, which we should all want! God bless America!
I didn't say that racism and bias was dead. But affirmative action has run it's course and taken this country as far as it can towards the right direction. It's time to relax this helping hand. When it starts hurting more than it's helping it's doing the exact opposite that it was intended for. Eventually the hold outs in the minority communities refusing to assimilate need to stop blaming whitey and start blaming themselves for not breaking out of the stereotypes that they cry racism at.

[Barnaby Jones]

I didn't say that racism and bias was dead. But affirmative action has run it's course and taken this country as far as it can towards the right direction. It's time to relax this helping hand. When it starts hurting more than it's helping it's doing the exact opposite that it was intended for. Eventually the hold outs in the minority communities refusing to assimilate need to stop blaming whitey and start blaming themselves for not breaking out of the stereotypes that they cry racism at.

You're making my point for me! So long as this type of attitude is around affirmative action is a necessity! It's nowhere near "hurting more than it's helping" and you're quick to assume that the fault rests completely on the minority groups and that they're the ones keeping themselves down! That's ridiculous! Nobody is perfect and every group has its faults, but blaming the oppressed for being oppressed is dangerous and is one of the main reasons we need affirmative actions! You blame them for "not assimilating" when most of the time they're purposely marginalized away from "normal America" because of who they are! Most don't "assimilate" because they don't even have a chance to! Too many people allow opinions like the one you just expressed to justify their decisions to not hire someone of equal or better qualification because they're a woman or because they "sound black" or have a "weird name." Like I said, it's not a perfect system and it's not always going to work, but it's better than the alternative of doing nothing at all! This isn't about just giving people what they don't deserve! It's about actually trying to level the playing field in the future because it's nowhere near being fair right now! It's in our best interest as a country to break these cycles of poverty!

[TripleSkeet]

The exception doesn't prove the rule! If you think Obama being elected means racial bias has been fixed, you're nuts! And like I said, affirmative action isn't just for minorities! It's helped and will keep helping more white women than any other group! It's helping to make the American Dream more available to everyone, which we should all want! God bless America!

Right. Its for everyone EXCEPT white males. So I have to come in at a disadvantage, no matter how smart I am, or how hard I work, or how qualified I am for the job. Is that how the American Dream is supposed to work? How long do we have to pay for crimes committed by people weve never known?

Seriously, I dont care about your studies. Any system that says you HAVE to have a certain number of people that are black, red, green, purple or ANY color, gender, race, religion etc. JUST TO HAVE THEM, regardless of qualification, is fucking wrong. Youre not going to sway me. Your argument is bullshit.

Learn to tell the difference between winning an argument based on fact and trying to change a persons opinion. My opinion is affirmative action is bullshit. And its not wrong because its my OPINION. No amount of research or studies is going to change that. So instead of being a pompous ass just express your opinion and say why it varies instead of trying to tell me Im wrong?

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[Barnaby Jones]

Right. Its for everyone EXCEPT white males. So I have to come in at a disadvantage, no matter how smart I am, or how hard I work, or how qualified I am for the job. Is that how the American Dream is supposed to work? How long do we have to pay for crimes committed by people weve never known?

You're not at a disadvantage! Affirmative action only "takes" a tiny amount of the opportunities available. You're saying that only your qualifications should count above everyone elses despite people being kept from jobs and loans and schools and so on simply because they aren't men or have a black or foreign name or sound black or foreign or "seem foreign" and so on! Affirmative action is necessary to reverse this! Yes, that means that the system has to flipped on its ear and the power structure that has been in place for centuries needs to be used for others to play catch up!

Here's the best way to put this: just because you're a white male doesn't mean you're privileged. But you have the best opportunities to be privileged far, far more than any other groups in this country, including white women! The only reason that is so is due to an antiquated social and economic power structure that intentionally favored middle and upper class white males! There's no need for that power structure to remain in place! I'm not saying everyone should be born into privilege or have it handed to them, but everyone should have relatively the same opportunities to work to make themselves privileged, through work and school and the like! Isn't that reasonable? Nobody can realistically say that that is in place now!

Seriously, I dont care about your studies. Any system that says you HAVE to have a certain number ofpeople that are black, red, green, purple or ANY color, gender, race, religion etc. JUST TO HAVE THEM, regardless of qualification, is fucking wrong. Youre not going to sway me. Your argument is bullshit.

Well, you're just being stubborn! It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the job market would typically at least reflect the demographics of the country! It's not like we're talking about giving most of the jobs away everyone except white males! How about just having the demographics even remotely resemble the population? Its nuts to think it's normal that large segments of the population should only make up much, much smaller segments of the workforce or get into schools or get loans and so on.

Learn to tell the difference between winning an argument based on fact and trying to change a persons opinion. My opinion is affirmative action is bullshit. And its not wrong because its my OPINION. No amount of research or studies is going to change that. So instead of being a pompous ass just express your opinionand say why it varies instead of trying to tell me Im wrong?

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I'm more than happy to show you the facts! My invitation still stands to walk you through the history of affirmative action and how it actually works and why and why it's necessary! Until then, yes, your opinion can be and is wrong! Opinions can easily be wrong! If my opinion was that the ocean was made out of delicious root beer soda pop I'd be wrong! My invitation is not one of malice!

[brettmojo]

You're making my point for me! So long as this type of attitude is around affirmative action is a necessity! It's nowhere near "hurting more than it's helping" and you're quick to assume that the fault rests completely on the minority groups and that they're the ones keeping themselves down! That's ridiculous! Nobody is perfect and every group has its faults, but blaming the oppressed for being oppressed is dangerous and is one of the main reasons we need affirmative actions! You blame them for "not assimilating" when most of the time they're purposely marginalized away from "normal America" because of who they are! Most don't "assimilate" because they don't even have a chance to! Too many people allow opinions like the one you just expressed to justify their decisions to not hire someone of equal or better qualification because they're a woman or because they "sound black" or have a "weird name." Like I said, it's not a perfect system and it's not always going to work, but it's better than the alternative of doing nothing at all! This isn't about just giving people what they don't deserve! It's about actually trying to level the playing field in the future because it's nowhere near being fair right now! It's in our best interest as a country to break these cycles of poverty!
When less qualified INDIVIDUALS are giving job over more qualified INDIVIDUALS it most certainly is hurting more than it's helping. Do I want a paramedic or a fireman or a police officer responding to help me that got his job because of the color of his skin? Is that helping me more than and INDIVIDUAL who was better skilled to fill that position? I'm not the one perpetuating racism. Laws that legislate based on race are perpetuating racism. I didn't saw minorities as a group are at fault for anything. I said INDIVIDUALS in the minority groups. But as a group they need to start looking internally for those doing damage to their own causes and not outwards at what everyone else is or isn't doing to them. You can't call the people of Arizona Nazis then ignore the fact that the border situation is spiraling out of control. There's a big difference between acting like Nazis and acting out of frustration.

You're philosophy does a lot more to perpetuate racist ideals than anything I have said.

[Barnaby Jones]

When less qualified INDIVIDUALS are giving job over more qualified INDIVIDUALS it most certainly is hurting more than it's helping. Do I want a paramedic or a fireman or a police officer responding to help me that got his job because of the color of his skin? Is that helping me more than and INDIVIDUAL who was better skilled to fill that position? I'm not the one perpetuating racism. Laws that legislate based on race are perpetuating racism.

Again, you're going with the exception like it proves the rule! As I have said, affirmative action is far from a perfect system and mistakes will happen or people will misuse it, but those are the exceptions and having it in place is far better than the alternative. What affirmative action has been most often used for is making sure that people of equal or greater qualifications are not cast aside due to their sex or skin color or culture. That's why we need it! Imagine everything you've worked for in your life to achieve suddenly didn't count as much because you, brettmojo, were a woman. Or black. Or Hispanic. Or had a "foreign name" or an "accent." All you've achieved and learned and are capable of doing is the same, but you still have to work twice, three times, five times or more as hard as someone else simply because you were born a different person. That's what's happening countless more times compared to affirmative action getting unqualified people jobs.

I didn't saw minorities as a group are at fault for anything. I said INDIVIDUALS in the minority groups. But as a group they need to start looking internally for those doing damage to their own causes and not outwards at what everyone else is or isn't doing to them.

But what if what's happening to them from outside is doing far more damage or doing so much more to hold them back than anyone in their community or of their same race or of their same gender or of their same culture?

You can't call the people of Arizona Nazis then ignore the fact that the border situation is spiraling out of control. There's a big difference between acting like Nazis and acting out of frustration.

Huh?!?!? I didn't call them nazis! And what do illegals have to do with affirmative action?

You're philosophy does a lot more to perpetuate racist ideals than anything I have said.

Untrue! It recognizes racism and racial discrimination and realizes it's something we have to deal with and will have to deal with for a while and we can't act like it's fixed or that it will just take care of itself! It won't! Why would those who benefit most from the pre-existing power structure want to rock the boat? Active steps and actions are needed to change what has been set in stone for centuries and make America truly for all Americans! It's not going to be easy and mistakes will be made, but we should welcome a challenge and hard work that means in the end our country will be better off!

[oPant]

I was listening to the 4/20 show and for most people "what about all the good things that Hitler did" is a joke, but Ant means it.

[brettmojo]

Via Tony Cumia's twitter...

AnthonyCumia (http://twitter.com/AnthonyCumia)
Tonight on First 48... http://moby.to/94zhqi (http://moby.to/94zhqi)

[TripleSkeet]

You're not at a disadvantage! Affirmative action only "takes" a tiny amount of the opportunities available. You're saying that only your qualifications should count above everyone elses despite people being kept from jobs and loans and schools and so on simply because they aren't men or have a black or foreign name or sound black or foreign or "seem foreign" and so on! Affirmative action is necessary to reverse this! Yes, that means that the system has to flipped on its ear and the power structure that has been in place for centuries needs to be used for others to play catch up!!

Yes. I am saying only your qualifications should count above everyone elses. And I firmly believe this. Theres no reason anything other then this should be the way it is. And if schools or loans are being denied to people simply because they are black, or women, or foreign (which I think is bullshit in 2010) then thats a problem that needs to be addressed differently then giving those people extra creduits towards jobs.

Here's the best way to put this: just because you're a white male doesn't mean you're privileged. But you have the best opportunities to be privileged far, far more than any other groups in this country, including white women! The only reason that is so is due to an antiquated social and economic power structure that intentionally favored middle and upper class white males! There's no need for that power structure to remain in place! I'm not saying everyone should be born into privilege or have it handed to them, but everyone should have relatively the same opportunities to work to make themselves privileged, through work and school and the like! Isn't that reasonable? Nobody can realistically say that that is in place now!!!

I wouldve agreed with this in 1960. Now I think its a load of shit.



Well, you're just being stubborn! It's perfectly reasonable to expect that the job market would typically at least reflect the demographics of the country! It's not like we're talking about giving most of the jobs away everyone except white males! How about just having the demographics even remotely resemble the population? Its nuts to think it's normal that large segments of the population should only make up much, much smaller segments of the workforce or get into schools or get loans and so on.!!!

NO. No no no no no no no fucking no. Why does a job force have to reflect a demorgraphic? Why? Why cant it just be the people that are best at that job, get the job. In pro baseball, are half of the players women? Why not? Wouldnt that better represent the fucking population? In pro basketball, Im pretty sure 75% of the league is not white. Again, not representative of the demogtraphic. In pro sports the people that get the jobs are the people most qualified for those jobs. Regardless of color or race or religion. Thats the way every job should be.

I'm more than happy to show you the facts! My invitation still stands to walk you through the history of affirmative action and how it actually works and why and why it's necessary! Until then, yes, your opinion can be and is wrong! Opinions can easily be wrong! If my opinion was that the ocean was made out of delicious root beer soda pop I'd be wrong! My invitation is not one of malice!

Get the fuck over yourself dude. I dont need you to explain to me affirmative action. Ive already told you I know how it fucking works. And its bullshit. Saying the ocean is made of root beer soda is stating a fact you fucking retard. Its not an opinion. Affirmative action is a procedure put in place. You either agree with it or you dont. Disagreeing with it doesnt make you wrong. Just like Im not saying you are wrong for agreeing with it. Its your OPINION that its good for the country. I disagree. Youll never get people to look past race when you point out race every chance you can.

Thats something this country just doesnt get. Thats why Obama can be the first president to welcome Martians to Earth, yet the biggest thing hes gonna be remembered for is being black.

[Death Metal Moe]

My only experience with Affirmative Action was as a union carpenter in Jersey City.

What it meant was there were a certain number of blacks on the job that could do as little as possible. Sorry, that's the facts when I was there.

They'd do just enough NOT to get the foreman to call down to the hall on them. I mean why bother anyway? They'd just get another black person, not another "carpenter."

The system is a very bad one. It sets quotas, not expectations. And the quotas are filled with people who didn't earn it, another horrible thing to do to someone. People value things so much more when they EARN them.

[underdog]

My only experience with Affirmative Action was as a union carpenter in Jersey City.

What it meant was there were a certain number of blacks on the job that could do as little as possible. Sorry, that's the facts when I was there.

They'd do just enough NOT to get the foreman to call down to the hall on them. I mean why bother anyway? They'd just get another black person, not another "carpenter."

The system is a very bad one. It sets quotas, not expectations. And the quotas are filled with people who didn't earn it, another horrible thing to do to someone. People value things so much more when they EARN them.

You literally just explained unions, not affirmative action.

[Death Metal Moe]

You literally just explained unions, not affirmative action.

No, I didn't. There were a lot of guys willing to actually work down the hall, not fill a quota. Jobs can decide to go union or non-union, but the union can't decide not to fill the affirmative action quota.

[TripleSkeet]

You literally just explained unions, not affirmative action.

That actually happens with ALOT of affirmative action jobs out there. Ive worked bars where great barbacks or servers were passed over for far inferiorer employees simply because "We needed a girl." or "We needed a black guy." I also watched them get away with ALOT more bullshit (e.g. lateness, drinking at work, insubordination) because of their race or gender. Management was so afraid of firing "the black guys" that they would get write-ups for drinking and excessive latenesses when if it were a white guy bartender they wouldve been fired immediately.

Like I said...its a crock of shit.

[Barnaby Jones]

Ive already told you I know how it fucking works.

Sorry, you're completely wrong! As long as there are people like you happily wallowing in their ignorance we need affirmative action! Thank God we live in a country smart and progressive enough where the right people realize that and we have it in place!

Hopefully this will help you out! (http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm) I have confidence that you'll see past your mistaken opinions one day since you keep saying you understand how affirmative action works yet your posts again and again display you have no idea how it actually works and why it exists! I'll be here if you have any questions! Good luck!

[Death Metal Moe]

Sorry, you're completely wrong! As long as there are people like you happily wallowing in their ignorance we need affirmative action! Thank God we live in a country smart and progressive enough where the right people realize that and we have it in place!

Hopefully this will help you out! (http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm) I have confidence that you'll see past your mistaken opinions one day since you keep saying you understand how affirmative action works yet your posts again and again display you have no idea how it actually works and why it exists! I'll be here if you have any questions! Good luck!

Wow, what a wonderful website full of excuses and propaganda.

[Barnaby Jones]

Wow, what a wonderful website full of excuses and propaganda.

What are you talking about? How is the information there incorrect? If it's wrong it should be easy to produce information that shows this! I have a tremendous amount of government and academic sources that show time and time again why need affirmative action! Let's get a good debate going!

[Death Metal Moe]

Of course the government has studies that support affirmative action, it's their program.

I've NEVER seen a study NOT give the result that the people paying for it wanted to arrive at.

There's no good reason you can give me to taking 1 of 2 equal job candidates just because one is a different race. And that website you liked to is full of A LOT of opinions and editorial.

[Barnaby Jones]

Of course the government has studies that support affirmative action, it's their program.

Huh? Wouldn't they want to frame the results so they can discontinue the program? What does "the government" get by falsely keeping affirmative action going?

I've NEVER seen a study NOT give the result that the people paying for it wanted to arrive at.

Huh? So no studies are valid? That's crazy! There's a ton of non-profit-based studies for pretty much any major issue of the day!

There's no good reason you can give me to taking 1 of 2 equal job candidates just because one is a different race.

Sure I can! Far too many jobs are given to white male candidates over female or non-white candidates despite equal or superior qualifications! That was easy!

And that website you liked to is full of A LOT of opinions and editorial.

True, but they do an excellent job of presenting the information clearly, using reliable sources and presenting their sources. That's how information should always be presented when one is trying to argue their points! You can't ask for more!

[newport king]

I find your overuse of exclamation points infuriating!

[Barnaby Jones]

I don't know why so many hate exclamation points here! I'm just an excitable guy!

[Death Metal Moe]

Sure I can! Far too many jobs are given to white male candidates over female or non-white candidates despite equal or superior qualifications! That was easy!

That's not my problem and it's not good enough for me to give up a possible position to a black man or a woman. And let's be honest, when there's over qualified white men and under qualified women and minorities, they take under qualified people to fill an artificial quota, a lot. I've seen it in action and it's counter productive.

[Death Metal Moe]

Ya know what's offensive? Your assumption that "Just because I'm white, I'm set." That attitude is bullshit, especially in this economy. You act as though all whites will land on their feet and have such an easier time finding work. It's brutal out there and I don't want ANYTHING keeping me from getting a job I am qualified for, especially something as pointless and nonsensical as race.

If you're not a rich white, you're just a person.

Your opinion is actually the counter productive one. It assumes superiority that just isn't there.

[Barnaby Jones]

That's not my problem and it's not good enough for me to give up a possible position to a black man or a woman. And let's be honest, when there's over qualified white men and under qualified women and minorities, they take under qualified people to fill an artificial quota, a lot. I've seen it in action and it's counter productive.

As I've said, it's not a perfect solution! There's no such thing! There's going to be people that misuse affirmative action or use it mistakenly or unnecessarily! That is still dwarfed by the amount of times that it is desperately needed for qualified people to be able to just have a chance who are being rejected simply because of their gender or names or skin color! It's ironic that we're talking about this since you are statistically much more likely to not get a job that you are qualified or overqualified for since I believe I recall seeing that your name is Mohamed! That IS your problem, and it's not fair at all! Study after study shows that people who receive jobs or school admission typically do as well or better than people with similar qualifications who are employed or admitted without affirmative action! If it were truly the case that most affirmative action hires or admissions were under qualified then that would be something that couldn't be hidden. Even people that hate affirmative action simply cannot produce the numbers to show that to be true! In the end the positives far outweigh the negatives! If they didn't, the evidence would be apparent otherwise! It's a necessary response to hundreds of years of "affirmative action" that benefited one specific group at the expense of all others! You can't just stop a power structure that entrenched on a dime and expect everything to right itself!

[Barnaby Jones]

Ya know what's offensive? Your assumption that "Just because I'm white, I'm set." That attitude is bullshit, especially in this economy. You act as though all whites will land on their feet and have such an easier time finding work. It's brutal out there and I don't want ANYTHING keeping me from getting a job I am qualified for, especially something as pointless and nonsensical as race.

If you're not a rich white, you're just a person.

Your opinion is actually the counter productive one. It assumes superiority that just isn't there.

I specifically clarified this earlier in the thread! White people are not automatically born privileged! White men are born with a greater chance to be privileged than almost anyone else in the country. There's a huge difference! White people are not automatically superior, but the power structure in this country has been expressly designed to benefit white males above everyone else! See the difference? That's what needs to be taken down with affirmative action's help!

[StanUpshaw]

I have my own scholarly material that shows affirmative action in college admission is ineffective at best, and are often harmful to its supposed beneficiaries, both individually and societally!!!

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The Affirmative Action Myth (full text (http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa540.pdf))
SUMMARY: In the wake of the Supreme Court's recent decision to uphold university admissions preferences, affirmative action remains a deeply divisive issue. But recent research shows that college admissions preferences do not offer even the practical benefits claimed by their supporters. Because preferences do not help minority students, policymakers and administrators of all political persuasions should oppose their use.

Affirmative action defenders frequently and correctly tout the importance of college to the goal of improving life prospects. But preferences at selective schools have not increased college access. They cannot do so because most minority students leave high school without the minimum qualifications to attend any four-year school. Only outreach and better high school preparation can reduce overall racial disparities in American colleges.

Nor do preferences increase the wages of students who attend more selective schools as a result of affirmative action. When equally prepared students are compared, recent research shows that those who attend less selective institutions make just as much money as do their counterparts from more selective schools.

Affirmative action produces no concrete benefits to minority groups, but it does produce several significant harms. First, a phenomenon called the"ratchet effect" means that preferences at a handful of top schools, including state flagship institutions, can worsen racial disparities in academic preparation at all other American colleges and universities, including those that do not use admissions preferences. This effect results in painfully large gaps in academic preparation between minority students and others on campuses around the country.

Recent sociological research demonstrates that preferences hurt campus race relationships. Worse, they harm minority student performance by activating fears of confirming negative group stereotypes, lowering grades, and reducing college completion rates among preferred students.

Research shows that skills, not credentials, can narrow socioeconomic gaps between white and minority families. Policymakers should end the harmful practice of racial preferences in college admissions. Instead, they should work to close the critical skills gap by implementing school choice reforms and setting higher academic expectations for students of all backgrounds.

[Death Metal Moe]

I specifically clarified this earlier in the thread! White people are not automatically born privileged! White men are born with a greater chance to be privileged than almost anyone else in the country. There's a huge difference! White people are not automatically superior, but the power structure in this country has been expressly designed to benefit white males above everyone else! See the difference? That's what needs to be taken down with affirmative action's help!

I do agree that we need to take down both discrimination and reverse discrimination.

But if you think you will achieve that by saying "You 2 men are equal and Mr. Jones gets the job because of only 1 criteria, he's black" then you're extremely misguided and borderline disillusion.

And let's be very blunt, MANY times the quota is MUCH more important than the qualifications, so MANY people who don't deserve a particular job get it. I've seen it happen before my eyes.

The system is garbage and fosters resentment.

[Chigworthy]

Fighting fire with fire still burns the fuckin house down.

[hanso]

I read a story in my paper on job cuts. It states that around 70% of those overlooking jails are black. While those who are cops are 70% white.

There shouldn't be such a lopsided stat of any race for any type of work imo.

[TripleSkeet]

Sorry, you're completely wrong! As long as there are people like you happily wallowing in their ignorance we need affirmative action! Thank God we live in a country smart and progressive enough where the right people realize that and we have it in place!

Hopefully this will help you out! (http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm) I have confidence that you'll see past your mistaken opinions one day since you keep saying you understand how affirmative action works yet your posts again and again display you have no idea how it actually works and why it exists! I'll be here if you have any questions! Good luck!

I know exactly how affirmative action works. I and my opinions are not wrong. I dont even know why I go back and forth with you. I shouldve just called you a stupid douchebag when this started and gotten it over with.

[Death Metal Moe]

His attitude is borderline infuriating. I say borderline because I know what he's doing but I won't allow him to get me upset.

If you want to create equality in the workplace begin with equal education. Then each set of people has an equal footing. Also address social problems within your own community too.

But ultimately, none of that shit is my problem. If you think I'm going to hand my job over to an equal, or in many cases, under qualified person solely based on race you're a fucking maniac.

[TripleSkeet]

His attitude is borderline infuriating. I say borderline because I know what he's doing but I won't allow him to get me upset.


Yea I know what hes trying to do too. Its so obvious its almost like hes being a board character. "Pompous Asshole Guy". The whole smug, down talking thing is ok for a laugh once in awhile, but when youre trying to actually have a back and forth conversation it gets old.

I went through the same thing with him in the baseball thread where he just keeps quoting all the Moneyball disciples.

[Sue_Bender]

The whole smug, down talking thing is ok for a laugh once in awhile, but when youre trying to actually have a black and forth conversation it gets old.


Right on!

[K.C.]

Anthony is complaining about Obama basically saying don't believe everything you read on the Internet as if he was proposing an Orwellian society in which the government controls the news.

I'm sorry...isn't this the same guy who has wasted HOURS of show content whining about message board posters and how they don't know anything?

Actually, isn't this the guy who called in Ron's douche chill inducing board sitdown show just to specifically yell at individual posters???

[El Mudo]

Anthony is complaining about Obama basically saying don't believe everything you read on the Internet as if he was proposing an Orwellian society in which the government controls the news.

I'm sorry...isn't this the same guy who has wasted HOURS of show content whining about message board posters and how they don't know anything?

Actually, isn't this the guy who called in Ron's douche chill inducing board sitdown show just to specifically yell at individual posters???

Which is exactly why this thread was created in the first place!!!!

The thread has officially come full circle!

[CountryBob]

I read a story in my paper on job cuts. It states that around 70% of those overlooking jails are black. While those who are cops are 70% white.

There shouldn't be such a lopsided stat of any race for any type of work imo.

I bet the number of blacks that apply to be a cop are way lower than whites.

[brettmojo]

OH NO! Anthony don't look! HE'S TRYING TO REMOVE HER HAT!

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/betty-white-jay-z.jpg

[Death Metal Moe]

OH NO! Anthony don't look! HE'S TRYING TO REMOVE HER HAT!

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/betty-white-jay-z.jpg

Oh come on, you know O&A referencing that Youtube video was funny...

the 1st 500 times...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Death Metal Moe]

Which is exactly why this thread was created in the first place!!!!

The thread has officially come full circle!

Well at the very least, it's back on the topic of Anthony and his mental instability.

[Serpico1103]

There is a difference being against affirmative action because you don't think it works and being against it because you think it is unfair to the individual it may harm. The purpose is not to help the individual woman or minority it is to speed up the process of scoiety equality. I think rigid affirmitive action may not work. Programs focuses at younger people will get better results. Maybe colleges should just focus on encouraging good candidates to apply (many poor people see higher education as something other people do, meanwhile most middle class kids borrow their way through school). Also the schools could focus on reaching out to kids who earned their admission, making sure their background doesn't prevent their growth. There are many programs and helpful people at colleges, but only certain people use then, people used to having a caring support system, not necessarily street kids.
Any way, saw pic of Ant with melinda, Wow is he a serial killer looking MFer.

[Serpico1103]

Anthony asking if having a baby is better than "just fucking?"
Wow, he really thinks like a child.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Anthony asking if having a baby is better than "just fucking?"
Wow, he really thinks like a child. ever get the feeling his folks made him feel like shit for being born and that's where he gets the kid hate? (specifically..i wish you were never born so i could ....)

[Serpico1103]

ever get the feeling his folks made him feel like shit for being born and that's where he gets the kid hate? (specifically..i wish you were never born so i could ....)
No. More that he is just a child. He has never been responsible. He still acts like a 10yo, but he canb afford his toys. He can afford to drink all night and not come to work the next day. He hates his niece and nephew because they take his mommy's attwntion away from him.
If he didn't fall into radio he would be still almost homeless, stealing work vans, buying a jetski on credit that he can't afford.

[CurseoftheBambi]

so you're saying he would be a teabagger who watches fox news instead of being a moron who's on camera on fox news.:laugh:

[TripleSkeet]

ever get the feeling his folks made him feel like shit for being born and that's where he gets the kid hate? (specifically..i wish you were never born so i could ....)

Its actually just selfishness. Alot of adults are just too self centered to have kids. They have no intention of making sacrifices for anyone else, even if it is their child. I mean, before I was a dad, I LOVED going out getting hammered, and taking random vacations or road trips whenever I felt like it. I loved spending money on whatever random toy or clothing item I wanted.

But when I had my kids, I fully understood that I would have to sacrifice alot of that for my kids. I cant just pick up and go see the Phillies play up in NY at the drop of a hat. Or go out and buy whatever new PS3 game has come out this week. My kids need me. And they need my money to provide for them. Alot of people would say "Fuck that."

I give Ant credit for at least admitting it and not subjecting a kid to his "all about me" attitude. Alot of people just wont admit the way they are and its the kids that suffer.

[oPant]

No. More that he is just a child. He has never been responsible. He still acts like a 10yo, but he canb afford his toys. He can afford to drink all night and not come to work the next day. He hates his niece and nephew because they take his mommy's attwntion away from him.
If he didn't fall into radio he would be still almost homeless, stealing work vans, buying a jetski on credit that he can't afford.

I wonder if he's always been a Republican especially when he was poor and homeless. I think his racism makes mis a republican and he thinks that all his taxes go to help black people. He's a very lucky guy, but when you are not grounded and you've been rich for a long time you forget where you came from.

[Serpico1103]

I wonder if he's always been a Republican especially when he was poor and homeless. I think his racism makes mis a republican and he thinks that all his taxes go to help black people. He's a very lucky guy, but when you are not grounded and you've been rich for a long time you forget where you came from.

I doubt he was ever sympathetic. Even when he was broke, he had family and friends he could count on.
He thinks a strong stable society is based on people getting lucky or staying stuck in poverty.

[Fillmore Slim]

From Ant's twitter:


Do THEY have to be making us look like assholes in EVERY fucking commercial? Fuck Mastercard. Another fantasy commercial. Ugh.


Followed by:

Just saying thank GOD that every commercial has a wonderful black person to help us dumb white folk solve a problem. Lowes can suck it too.

The irony of this is that Ant needed a black guy to change his tire a couple months back.

[Death Metal Moe]

I'm about ready to stop following Anthony on twitter. He hardly updates but when he does it's either to show us his latest gun or a complaint that includes a racial comment.

[KnoxHarrington]

From Ant's twitter:





Followed by:



The irony of this is that Ant needed a black guy to change his tire a couple months back.

What the fuck is he talking about in that Lowe's twitter? Is he upset a Lowe's commercial shows a black employee of the store being helpful, friendly and knowledgeable? Does anything that doesn't correspond to his notion of black people as stupid, shiftless, and lazy offend him?

What the fuck?

[danner1515]

What the fuck is he talking about in that Lowe's twitter? Is he upset a Lowe's commercial shows a black employee of the store being helpful, friendly and knowledgeable? Does anything that doesn't correspond to his notion of black people as stupid, shiftless, and lazy offend him?

What the fuck?
He's convinced that there's this plot in TV commercials to make white men look stupid and minorties look smart. In other words, typical racial paranoia from Anthony.

[Furtherman]

He's convinced that there's this plot in TV commercials to make white men look stupid and minorties look smart. In other words, typical racial paranoia from Anthony.



That, however, is true. It's just men in general.

Commercials are always making guys look dumb, only because women do the majority of shopping. Therefore, the woman laughs and the dumb guy, and is more prone to buy that product.

[Fillmore Slim]

That, however, is true. It's just men in general.

Commercials are always making guys look dumb, only because women do the majority of shopping. Therefore, the woman laughs and the dumb guy, and is more prone to buy that product.

Exactly, it's just marketing. Not some secret plot to get the black man "over" on the white man.

[TripleSkeet]

That, however, is true. It's just men in general.

Commercials are always making guys look dumb, only because women do the majority of shopping. Therefore, the woman laughs and the dumb guy, and is more prone to buy that product.

Sitcoms do this also.

[Death Metal Moe]

What the fuck is he talking about in that Lowe's twitter? Is he upset a Lowe's commercial shows a black employee of the store being helpful, friendly and knowledgeable? Does anything that doesn't correspond to his notion of black people as stupid, shiftless, and lazy offend him?

What the fuck?

He just wants it both ways.

If a black guy is shown in any positive light, it's a social agenda to make the white man seem inferior. But if you showed blacks doing stereotypical things that he associates with "The N's" he'd complain that there's a social agenda pushing black culture down the throats of white people.

He wants his TV to be a real life episodes of The Jetsons.

[oPant]

What the fuck is he talking about in that Lowe's twitter? Is he upset a Lowe's commercial shows a black employee of the store being helpful, friendly and knowledgeable? Does anything that doesn't correspond to his notion of black people as stupid, shiftless, and lazy offend him?

What the fuck?

Exactly and in many areas of the country most people who work retail now a days are black, so there is nothing wrong with that commercial. He just has unreasonable writhing hatred for black people in general. I wonder what his screen name is at N!66erMania. I checked it out and it is embarrassingly bad. I would hate to be associated with the Klan and the red necks that infect that site.

[TripleSkeet]

Exactly and in many areas of the country most people who work retail now a days are black, so there is nothing wrong with that commercial. He just has unreasonable writhing hatred for black people in general. I wonder what his screen name is at N!66erMania. I checked it out and it is embarrassingly bad. I would hate to be associated with the Klan and the red necks that infect that site.

Im not exactly known for black sympathizing but that site made me physically ill.

[oPant]

Im not exactly known for black sympathizing but that site made me physically ill.

Any decent human being would be troubled by that site and not find it funny, because it's not.

[IamFogHat]

Im not exactly known for black sympathizing but that site made me physically ill.

It really is where thought goes to die.

[Enabler]

in many areas of the country most people who work retail now a days are black

Yeah but Anthony "employs" people to shop for him. So its not his fault or his responsibility to know that. He's too busy driving the economy.

[CountryBob]

With his love of the NAZI era - maybe our boy Anthony would prefer a world with just one race? I have only been listening religiously for the past 5 years or so and yes his radio persona has evolved into a terrible angry racist. What happened Ant?

[CurseoftheBambi]

all i can tell is he got money and popular enough to go on fox. i know it doesnt explain much kinda like some of this weeks episode of lost didn't explain somethings :)

[YourAmishDaddy]

Its actually just selfishness. Alot of adults are just too self centered to have kids. .

Which is one of the things Ant and I agree on. I don't want kids. And yes it's cause I'm way too busy to ever devote any time to them if I did. Has nothing to do with sacrifice. Kids are like any other thing in life, not for everyone.

Which is ultimately why Ant and his idiocy is so tragic to me. The things we agree on is like pinpoint perfect. His take on marriage and women and kids isn't very far from mine. It's just the political and racial stuff that we're so far off on.

[Sinestro]

With his love of the NAZI era - maybe our boy Anthony would prefer a world with just one race? I have only been listening religiously for the past 5 years or so and yes his radio persona has evolved into a terrible angry racist. What happened Ant?

black people

[Death Metal Moe]

Which is one of the things Ant and I agree on. I don't want kids. And yes it's cause I'm way too busy to ever devote any time to them if I did. Has nothing to do with sacrifice. Kids are like any other thing in life, not for everyone.

Which is ultimately why Ant and his idiocy is so tragic to me. The things we agree on is like pinpoint perfect. His take on marriage and women and kids isn't very far from mine. It's just the political and racial stuff that we're so far off on.

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to have kids. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to get married.

The problem with Ant's take on women is he talks about them like they're fucktoys only there to please him and they're gone when he's done with them. He doesn't want to relate to other people.

I heard him talking about having kids and he sounded astonished that a man would want anything to do with a woman outside of sex. It was a very sad conversation but a very telling one.

[TripleSkeet]

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to have kids. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to get married.

The problem with Ant's take on women is he talks about them like they're fucktoys only there to please him and they're gone when he's done with them. .

I dont even have a problem with him doing that. I know alot of guys like that, and thats fine with me. Its when he looks at guys with families like THEY are crazy for enjoying their life, thats what annoys me.

Like dude, thats great that youre an ugly bastard that got lucky and hit the jackpot. Now your banging girls that if you were a plumber wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire. Great for you. Have fun dying alone. Some of us love having families and even though its immensely tough wouldnt trade it in for anything.

[Death Metal Moe]

That's funny, I just turned on the O&A Worst Of and it's one of the conversations I was thinking about while posting in here today.

He just said "I don't think this "love" thing is real because most of the relationships I've been in have been 99% lust related."

Well, way to take your opinion and make it a fact, criticizing anyone who has a different opinion. Isn't that one of the things he hates when people do with other topics like race and politics?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Wow, I step away for a few months and I see this thread is still alive and strong.

I've actually rather enjoyed Ant this week, running the ship without Op. I understand the bitterness and the casual weathering away of any sentimentality to 'love' beyond just a series of exergonic reactions and various synapses. I don't agree with his assessments wholly, but I understand.

Moe, looking like a million bucks! Smart looking haircut you're sporting there, young man.

Holy fuck, it's 5am. I must have switched places with Papa Bear.

[CurseoftheBambi]

The things we agree on is like pinpoint perfect. His take on marriage and women and kids isn't very far from mine. It's just the political and racial stuff that we're so far off on.

That's it you're Bizaro Ant!

[YourAmishDaddy]

That's it you're Bizaro Ant!

I try.

[Death Metal Moe]

Another drunken hangover night for Ant. Maybe he feels he deserves a day off for having to do the show without Opie last week.

I do like that Opie always seems to make a point to say something about Anthony being out whenever it happens. Lets us know that Opie's not 100% cool about it.

[conman823]

Just too sum up the last three pages in case you need to catch up:

Ant is still racist, a man child, rich, and treating women like dogshit.

Also he will still most likely die broke and lonely.

Back to the instability......

[proto]

Kinda off topic but people seem to read/reply to this thread..

Does wackbag not work for anyone else? I try to go there after googling stuff sometimes & it just doesnt work, weird.

And damn that Norm interview the other was goddam depressing

[proto]

He's convinced that there's this plot in TV commercials to make white men look stupid and minorties look smart. In other words, typical racial paranoia from Anthony.

Oh god, you know the first 3 times i heard them rant about this....

It's actually worse when Jimmy goes on about stuff like this too because we know he has alot more fucking common sense but he just seems to yell at anyone because amazingly, there isnt a black man breaking into someones house on a commercial!! oh the horror, the horror

[Chigworthy]

Oh god, you know the first 3 times i heard them rant about this....

It's actually worse when Jimmy goes on about stuff like this too because we know he has alot more fucking common sense but he just seems to yell at anyone because amazingly, there isnt a black man breaking into someones house on a commercial!! oh the horror, the horror

Jimmy's common sense can't be quantified with "a lot" in any case. Not when he is awestruck by Anthony's immense wisdom for having a rudimentary understanding of how the human circulatory system works. I remember hearing him repeatedly argue that the earth's spin somehow generated gravity one day.

[danner1515]

Did anyone catch Marc Maron's latest podcast with Jim Norton. He mentions how he sometimes gets uncomfortable with Anthony's racial comments.

[Chigworthy]

Did anyone catch Marc Maron's latest podcast with Jim Norton. He mentions how he sometimes gets uncomfortable with Anthony's racial comments.

I don't know what it is, but I can't really stand Marc Maron.

[IamFogHat]

I don't know what it is, but I can't really stand Marc Maron.

Is it the Jew thing?

[Dan 'Hampton]

He hates you too.

[Charlie_Don't_Surf]

Did anyone catch Marc Maron's latest podcast with Jim Norton. He mentions how he sometimes gets uncomfortable with Anthony's racial comments.

He Mark, or he Jim?

[Chigworthy]

Is it the Jew thing?

I think it was that grandiose, self-serving letter to his ex-wife that he read for an hour.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Oh so you've only heard him twice on the air. And are greiving over a bit from two years ago. Seems sane.

[Chigworthy]

Oh so you've only heard him twice on the air. And are greiving over a bit from two years ago. Seems sane.

These called, they said you need them:
http://preparednesspro.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/menses-preparation-tampax.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

These called, they said you need them:
http://preparednesspro.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/menses-preparation-tampax.jpg

:lol:

[hanso]

I don't know what it is, but I can't really stand Marc Maron.

It maybe a case of neo-con.

[danner1515]

He Mark, or he Jim?

It was Marc who was talking about being uncomfortable. He basically said he understands that Anthony is joking around but worries how it might feed the minds of listeners who don't realize it's a joke.

[NewYorkDragons80]

It was Marc who was talking about being uncomfortable. He basically said he understands that Anthony is joking around but worries how it might feed the minds of listeners who don't realize it's a joke.

That description applies to just about any bit O&A do.

Exhibit A:
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[Zipgun]

That description applies to just about any bit O&A do.

Exhibit A:
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That's the saddest four minutes and seven seconds ever posted on the internet.

[smiler grogan]

That's the saddest four minutes and seven seconds ever posted on the internet.

I got about 30 seconds in and felt so embarrassed watching it I stopped.

[NewYorkDragons80]

That's the longest four minutes and seven seconds ever posted on the internet.

Fixed

[Chigworthy]

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/shivering-clip-art.gif

[Dan 'Hampton]

I didn't enjoy the lighting, amateurs.

[Space Edge]

LOL @ Gary "Is This The Whole Army?" and Artie was probably so fucking doped out on Heroin he didn't even realize what was going on.

[Dan 'Hampton]

How at any point didn't one of them at least think "what the hell am I doing this for?"

[Sinestro]

How at any point didn't one of them at least think "what the hell am I doing this for?"

for the "WOW" stickers?