President-Elect Obama Thread

[brettmojo]

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Oh I see what you did there. Let me try...

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Read this. Nothing is out of context.

I dont believe a word that this "reporter", Marinucci writes. She is the worst of the worst in the media. You know, the LIBERAL media with it's LIBERAL skewed news reporting.

[TheMojoPin]

It's amazing.

McCain and Pbaahave the same cap & trade plan.

Both involve getting rid of coal.

Yet Sean is honstly trying to act like Obama's plan is somehow bad...when it's the same as McCain's.

[JerseySean]

Oh I see what you did there. Let me try...

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No she is a piece of garbage. the worst of any sleezeball reporters.

[JerseySean]

It's amazing.

McCain and Pbaahave the same cap & trade plan.

Both involve getting rid of coal.

Yet Sean is honstly trying to act like Obama's plan is somehow bad...when it's the same as McCain's.

Im saying McCain isnt trying to bankrupt an HUGE industry which employs thousands.

[brettmojo]

It's amazing.

McCain and Pbaahave the same cap & trade plan.

Both involve getting rid of coal.

Yet Sean is honstly trying to act like Obama's plan is somehow bad...when it's the same as McCain's.
It would be out of character for him not to claim otherwise.

[TheMojoPin]

Im saying McCain isnt trying to bankrupt an HUGE industry which employs thousands.

....

So McCain's plan to do away with the coal industry somehow involves magic?

[TheMojoPin]

No she is a piece of garbage. the worst of any sleezeball reporters.

And you base this on...what?

[JerseySean]

....

So McCain's plan to do away with the coal industry somehow involves magic?

Im not defending wither plan as I'm not an expert on this stuff, however, I do know that McCain hasnt verbally committed to bankrupting an industry.

[brettmojo]

Im not defending wither plan as I'm not an expert on this stuff, however, I do know that McCain hasnt verbally committed to bankrupting an industry.
Well I'm sure that getting rid of the coal industry won't necessarily bankrupt it.

[JerseySean]

And you base this on...what?

She ran a hit piece on a buddy of mine about a year and a half ago. Destroyed his career and lied about a lot in the article. She enjoyed doing it. Aside from that she broke an old code in doing so.

[TheMojoPin]

She ran a hit piece on a buddy of mine about a year and a half ago. Destroyed his career and lied about a lot in the article. She enjoyed doing it. Aside from that she broke an old code in doing so.

Link to the article?

[epo]

Im not defending wither plan as I'm not an expert on this stuff, however, I do know that McCain hasnt verbally committed to bankrupting an industry.

Coal is simply part of the energy industry. With any industries there are regulations...and coals challenge will be to run clean. Can they do it?

If not, there are stories like that of Virent Energy Systems (http://www.jsonline.com/business/33724609.html) in the news everyday finding new innovative ways to create energy.

That's the irony of the free-market system....something new, cleaner and more efficient always seems to be around the corner.

[TheMojoPin]

Well I'm sure that getting rid of the coal industry won't necessarily bankrupt it.

Shhhh. He's on a roll.

[TheMojoPin]

Coal is simply part of the energy industry. With any industries there are regulations...and coals challenge will be to run clean. Can they do it?

If not, there are stories like that of Virent Energy Systems (http://www.jsonline.com/business/33724609.html) in the news everyday finding new innovative ways to create energy.

That's the irony of the free-market system....something new, cleaner and more efficient always seems to be around the corner.

To divert this a bit, one of my big criticisms is his (and the Democrats generally) refusal to bring up nuclear alterntives when it comes to energy.

[epo]

To divert this a bit, one of my big criticisms is his (and the Democrats generally) refusal to bring up nuclear alterntives when it comes to energy.

I actually concur on that. Nuclear should be on the table if done cleanly....why not?

[brettmojo]

I actually concur on that. Nuclear should be on the table if done cleanly....why not?
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[IMSlacker]

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but isn't Obama saying that he'll bankrupt anyone who tries to build a new coal fired power generation facility, not the coal industry?

[albo60s]

Coal is simply part of the energy industry. With any industries there are regulations...and coals challenge will be to run clean. Can they do it?

If not, there are stories like that of Virent Energy Systems (http://www.jsonline.com/business/33724609.html) in the news everyday finding new innovative ways to create energy.

That's the irony of the free-market system....something new, cleaner and more efficient always seems to be around the corner.


Coal is currently cheaper than other forms of energy.
Show us the new cleaner more effecient CHEAPER alternative.
Not something hypothetically possible, something available NOW!!!!
Agree with others that nuclear power should be back on the table.
Wind energy should also be milked for all its worth. I would make it law that all wind equipment be manufactured, transported, financed & constructed by domestic sources.

[thejives]

I would make it law that all wind equipment be manufactured, transported, financed & constructed by domestic sources.

You should point that out to your candidate:
http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w19/img.217830_t.jpg
Here he is autographing a turbine manufactured by the Dutch company Vestas (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w19/img.217830_t.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.nancarrow-webdesk.com/warehouse/storage2/2008-w19/img.217830.html&h=234&w=400&sz=14&hl=en&start=5&um=1&usg=___VyzkPMH6lDwsKRyPXo5HoB5me0=&tbnid=q4KSIicMN7goBM:&tbnh=73&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJohn%2BMcCain%2BVestas%26um%3D1%26hl% 3Den%26sa%3DN), which is proclaimed as "No. 1 in Modern Energy" on the turbine McCain is signing.

Why is the Dutch company #1? Because of McCain and the Republican Party's policies (http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/12/anti-wind-mccain-delivers-climate-remarks-at-foreign-wind-company-part-i/). In fact, the Republican party's long standing refusal to shift oil subsidies to wind power funding has forced Democrats (like Obama and Durbin) to block nominees in order to gain political capital to fund wind projects (http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-148667138.html).

(notice I linked to things instead of pasting entire articles.)

[JerseySean]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15191.html

Interesting article

[epo]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15191.html

Interesting article

No, its really not.

[GreatAmericanZero]

heres an article idea i had:

What if Obama called the republican "Honkies" and McCain cured all dying children?


who cares?...it didn't happen. Tomorrow is the big day!

[Furtherman]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15191.html

Interesting article

No, its really not.

True.

Jeremiah Wright wound up playing a far less central role in this campaign than originally anticipated.

That's because he doesn't matter, not has any thing to do with running the United States government.

[angrymissy]

Without reading what has been posted in the last 2 days, I am going to assume that JerseySean will be frothing over the Coal business, since I saw Hannity and Coulter flipping out over this on TV last night, while poor ol ghoulish Holmes tried to explain that McCain is doing the same thing. I think they spit on him.

[Furtherman]

Over the weekend someone told me that Obama has an aunt who is living here illegally.

And that matters how? Is it everyone's duty to make sure every family member is clean? Registered? Paying taxes? Washing their sheets? Separating glass from plastic?

[epo]

Over the weekend someone told me that Obama has an aunt who is living here illegally.

And that matters how? Is it everyone's duty to make sure every family member is clean? Registered? Paying taxes? Washing their sheets? Separating glass from plastic?

A 56-year old aunt from Kenya who is living in public housing in Boston. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVVj5SjAgqpjIbqdmcOB74FtqRIAD945TB601)

But I hear that John McCain's third-cousin on his ex-wife's side was caught for shoplifting a package of Rolos this weekend....so that should change everything!

[Zorro]

Over the weekend someone told me that Obama has an aunt who is living here illegally.

And that matters how? Is it everyone's duty to make sure every family member is clean? Registered? Paying taxes? Washing their sheets? Separating glass from plastic?

It's all bullshit. I grow more disappointed in my country everyday

[JerseySean]

A 56-year old aunt from Kenya who is living in public housing in Boston. (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iVVj5SjAgqpjIbqdmcOB74FtqRIAD945TB601)

But I hear that John McCain's third-cousin on his ex-wife's side was caught for shoplifting a package of Rolos this weekend....so that should change everything!

I agree why should that matter.

Obama:

Aunt who is here illegally.

Preacher who hates America.

Terrorist as an education advisor.

Wants to "share our wealth" and bankrupt coal.

I hear ya these things are no big deal.

[EliSnow]

I agree why should that matter.

Obama:

Aunt who is here illegally.

Preacher who hates America.

Terrorist as an education advisor.

Wants to "share our wealth" and bankrupt coal.

I hear ya these things are no big deal.

This is why McCain is behind in the polls. He and the rest of the campaign is looking to hit these "sound bites" and the voters are sick of it. You post lies and misleading points and it's all bullshit.

[Furtherman]

Without reading what has been posted in the last 2 days, I am going to assume that JerseySean will be frothing over the Coal business

Wants to "share our wealth" and bankrupt coal.

...and scene.

[Dougie Brootal]

this is slowly becoming my favorite thread.

[JerseySean]

This is why McCain is behind in the polls. He and the rest of the campaign is looking to hit these "sound bites" and the voters are sick of it. You post lies and misleading points and it's all bullshit.



Please cite a lie in that post.

[celery]

She ran a hit piece on a buddy of mine about a year and a half ago. Destroyed his career and lied about a lot in the article. She enjoyed doing it. Aside from that she broke an old code in doing so.

Link to the article?

Shocker, he ignored this request.

[JerseySean]

Shocker, he ignored this request.

Actually I PMed it to Mojo. No reason to post for mass consumption

[Ritalin]

Please cite a lie in that post.

What are you going to do on Wednesday?

[celery]

Actually I PMed it to Mojo. No reason to post for mass consumption

If you're going to make bold accusations in public, share your evidence in public.

[JerseySean]

What are you going to do on Wednesday?

Watch cities all over America burn after the big johnny Mac win

[celery]

Watch cities all over America burn after the big johnny Mac win

Why won't you take the bet then?

[Ritalin]

Watch cities all over America burn after the big johnny Mac win

Well, if B then A, I'll give you that.

[EliSnow]

Please cite a lie in that post.

"Terrorist as an education advisor."

"Bankrupt coal."

You take portions of what he has said or facts about his live and then blow it up to be a lie.

I could do the same:

McCain:

Assisted America's enemies during wartime.

Assisted swindler in defrauding millions.

Voted against providing armed soliders with body armor.

Each of these are lies, because they attempt to boil down complex issues into four sentence sound bites.

And the fact that you keep spouting them as truth is bullshit.

[JerseySean]

If you're going to make bold accusations in public, share your evidence in public.

I always do man, but I dont feel the desire to keep those articles moving. Sorry man its a personal thing

[JerseySean]

"Terrorist as an education advisor."

"Bankrupt coal."

You take portions of what he has said or facts about his live and then blow it up to be a lie.

I could do the same:

McCain:

Assisted America's enemies during wartime.

Assisted swindler in defrauding millions.

Voted against providing armed soliders with body armor.

Each of these are lies, because they attempt to boil down complex issues into four sentence sound bites.

And the fact that you keep spouting them as truth is bullshit.

I didnt ask for a counter. You made an accusation that those were lies. Please debunk

[EliSnow]

I didnt ask for a counter. You made an accusation that those were lies. Please debunk

I pointed out two lies as an example. He doesn't have a terrorist as an education advisor and he doesn't want to bankrupt coal.

Also, the accusations made first were by you, that he has a terrorist as an education advisor, etc.

And whether you asked for a counter or not, you got one to illustrate how your sound bites are vacuous.

[JerseySean]

I pointed out two lies as an example. He doesn't have a terrorist as an education advisor and he doesn't want to bankrupt coal.

And whether you asked for a counter or not, you got one to illustrate how your soung bites are vacuous.

He doesnt want to bankrupt coal? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

[Recyclerz]

I agree why should that matter.

Obama:

Aunt who is here illegally.

Preacher who hates America.

Terrorist as an education advisor.

Wants to "share our wealth" and bankrupt coal.

I hear ya these things are no big deal.

So, by inference, you are saying that Obama and the Democrats should also have made a bigger hullabaloo about Cindy McCain having a li'l bit of affection for the Vicodins and the Percocets and getting caught pocketing handfuls from a charity she was supporting (it don't make her a bad person) and John McCain's favors for ol' Charlie Keating when his S&L's were doing a practice run on raiding the wallets and pocketbooks of the American taxpayers back in the late 1980's. I gotcha. I'll make a note of that for the 2010 Arizona senatorial race.

Dude, you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy who is just determined to limit your informational intake from some poisonously biased sources. If you step back from partisan attack mode and just rethink and better ground your political preferences in more logical soil I think you'll find this little corner of RonFez.Net to be a pretty cool place to have some interesting discussions.

[EliSnow]

He doesnt want to bankrupt coal? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

Again, you take things about of context and blow them up beyond what he is saying and means. The others on this thread above have pointed out the bullshit of this point ad nauseum so I won't do it again.

[EliSnow]

So, by inference, you are saying that Obama and the Democrats should also have made a bigger hullabaloo about Cindy McCain having a li'l bit of affection for the Vicodins and the Percocets and getting caught pocketing handfuls from a charity she was supporting (it don't make her a bad person) and John McCain's favors for ol' Charlie Keating when his S&L's were doing a practice run on raiding the wallets and pocketbooks of the American taxpayers back in the late 1980's. I gotcha. I'll make a note of that for the 2010 Arizona senatorial race.

Dude, you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy who is just determined to limit your informational intake from some poisonously biased sources. If you step back from partisan attack mode and just rethink and better ground your political preferences in more logical soil I think you'll find this little corner of RonFez.Net to be a pretty cool place to have some interesting discussions.

Fuck I forgot that: Sleeping with a drug abuser.

[JerseySean]

So, by inference, you are saying that Obama and the Democrats should also have made a bigger hullabaloo about Cindy McCain having a li'l bit of affection for the Vicodins and the Percocets and getting caught pocketing handfuls from a charity she was supporting (it don't make her a bad person)

If they canted to make that campaign issue...sure, it would have buried them


and John McCain's favors for ol' Charlie Keating when his S&L's were doing a practice run on raiding the wallets and pocketbooks of the American taxpayers back in the late 1980's.

Not Guilty

Dude, you seem like a reasonably intelligent guy who is just determined to limit your informational intake from some poisonously biased sources. If you step back from partisan attack mode and just rethink and better ground your political preferences in more logical soil I think you'll find this little corner of RonFez.Net to be a pretty cool place to have some interesting discussions.


See, this honestly annoys me. I never watch Fox News, listen to Hannity or any of the sort. I think its mindless. When you guys give similiar lines that lets say an Olberman or a Maddow would talk about, I dont accuse you of getting Olberman talking points. If you watch that stuff, there is nothing wrong with it. Its just not for me. My thoughts are my own on this stuff and for all of my accusations, I can cite original sources .

[JerseySean]

Again, you take things about of context and blow them up beyond what he is saying and means. The others on this thread above have pointed out the bullshit of this point ad nauseum so I won't do it again.


No they really didnt, there is no good counter thaty isnt spin. Nothing is out of context there. It is the full statement. Please listen.

[EliSnow]

No they really didnt, there is no good counter thaty isnt spin. Nothing is out of context there. It is the full statement. Please listen.

I did, and they did.

[TheMojoPin]

See, this honestly annoys me. I never watch Fox News, listen to Hannity or any of the sort. I think its mindless. When you guys give similiar lines that lets say an Olberman or a Maddow would talk about, I dont accuse you of getting Olberman talking points. If you watch that stuff, there is nothing wrong with it. Its just not for me. My thoughts are my own on this stuff and for all of my accusations, I can cite original sources .

Sean, on numerous times ou have linked to explicitly Right Wing, sites, media outlets or blogs to back up your ideas. We've typically countered those with mainstream media outlets and information from the candidates themselves in full context. Now, I know you might just go to the well of "mainstream bias" again to counter that since you have done so in the past, but we're not relying on way Left sources of spun and out of context info.

[EliSnow]

Not Guilty



While he was found not to have done anything illegal, he didn't deny helping Keaton. His "favors" were just not an illegal act, and they did find that he used "poor judgement."

[IMSlacker]

No they really didnt, there is no good counter thaty isnt spin. Nothing is out of context there. It is the full statement. Please listen.

OK, I listened to the clip. Obama never said he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry as you've stated he had several times.

[JerseySean]

I find it amazing that no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with, Obama can do no wrong, wake up guys. Be intellectually honest for once. I can cite a ton of examples where McCain is wrong, but you just keep on hacking for Obama

[JerseySean]

OK, I listened to the clip. Obama never said he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry as you've stated he had several times.

He talks about how we will never be able to afford new coal plant because under his plan they will go bankrupt.

Oh ok, I see your point.

[Furtherman]

OK, I listened to the clip. Obama never said he wanted to bankrupt the coal industry as you've stated he had several times.

I listened too. Nothing about bankrupting the coal industry. Although I guess if you took his words and mixed them around, you might be able to say that.

[JerseySean]

Sean, on numerous times ou have linked to explicitly Right Wing, sites, media outlets or blogs to back up your ideas. We've typically countered those with mainstream media outlets and information from the candidates themselves in full context. Now, I know you might just go to the well of "mainstream bias" again to counter that since you have done so in the past, but we're not relying on way Left sources of spun and out of context info.

the only sites that I have ever linked to were original sources or maybe a blog post that i googled which linked to various mainstream articles on a certain topic. And in some cases, like an Acorn board member testifying under oath that Obama directed donations to them, there was no mainstream hit on.

[TheMojoPin]

He talks about how we will never be able to afford new coal plant because under his plan they will go bankrupt.

Oh ok, I see your point.

Which is essentially the same thing McCain wants to do. Both support cap and trade policies the encompass the coal industry and would ultimaely do away with the coal industry. If Obama is "guilty of being anti-coal," then so is McCain.

[TheMojoPin]

the only sites that I have ever linked to were original sources or maybe a blog post that i googled which linked to various mainstream articles on a certain topic. And in some cases, like an Acorn board member testifying under oath that Obama directed donations to them, there was no mainstream hit on.

Which should tell you something. Again, that's what makes the "liberal bias" strawman so powerful, because one can leap to that conclusion as opposed to the logical one that the story must not have any legs or something is fishy if it's only making the rounds on the fringes.

[JerseySean]

Which is essentially the same thing McCain wants to do. Both support cap and trade policies the encompass the coal industry and would ultimaely do away with the coal industry. If Obama is "guilty of being anti-coal," then so is McCain.

There is a big difference between a 25% policy on emmissions and 100% like Obama wants. That is the difference between bankruptcy and profitability. It will also directly cost the consumer up to twice as much for energy.

[TheMojoPin]

I find it amazing that no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with, Obama can do no wrong, wake up guys. Be intellectually honest for once. I can cite a ton of examples where McCain is wrong, but you just keep on hacking for Obama

Actually, several of us have pointed out where we were let down or disagree with Obama. The support for the new wiretapping bill, the statements regarding his oil drilling policy, the decision to shift his campaign financing position in the middle of the race and, just on the last page, his aversion to considering nuclear options in dealing with the energy crisis.

None of us are saying he's some kind of perfect candidate, but he does come closest to sharing our political opinions and we think he has a shot at being a very good president. It just looks to you like we're "hacking" for him because you come in here every day for weeks now with new false issues that 99% of the time end up amounting to nothing or are completely self-defeating.

[JerseySean]

Which should tell you something. Again, that's what makes the "liberal bias" strawman so powerful, because one can leap to that conclusion as opposed to the logical one that the story must not have any legs or something is fishy if it's only making the rounds on the fringes.

i agree for the most part. However, there are certain circumstances where things dont get reported. IE-Obama directing donors to ACORN, etc.

[Recyclerz]

See, this honestly annoys me. I never watch Fox News, listen to Hannity or any of the sort. I think its mindless. When you guys give similiar lines that lets say an Olberman or a Maddow would talk about, I dont accuse you of getting Olberman talking points. If you watch that stuff, there is nothing wrong with it. Its just not for me. My thoughts are my own on this stuff and for all of my accusations, I can cite original sources

Dude, many times you have said that Obama's tax plan was going to be ruinous to small businesses. I (and several others) have asked to you to state on what basis or analysis you came to that conclusion. If there is something buried in the Obama tax plan that I can't find that would be counterproductive I'd like to know so that if/when he becomes President I can send messages to my politicos to not support a change in the law that is stupid. Since then you've put up many posts that suspicously track whatever the talking points are of the Right-wing commentariat are but haven't given anything substantive to the people on the other side to get us to reconsider our opinions.

If you say you're not just parroting the Fox/Hannity/Weekly Standard talking points, fine, I believe you. But you're not beta testing your own conclusions against main stream reality either. You don't have to, of course, but it weakens your credibility in this particular marketplace of ideas.

/Just sayin'.

[EliSnow]

I find it amazing that no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with, Obama can do no wrong, wake up guys. Be intellectually honest for once. I can cite a ton of examples where McCain is wrong, but you just keep on hacking for Obama

You should not be amazed, because we actually are looking at the full picture rather than sound bites and unsupported allegations.

Your statement above is a great example.

no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with

First, as to what he says, people say statements that can be taken out of context all the time. We could do the same to McCain, but we have a little integrity. He doesn't want to bankrupt the entire coal industry.

Second, as to the voter fraud he helped commit, there's no proof of this at all. His association with ACORN is blown out of any realism and no proof that he committed voter fraud.

Third, who he hangs out with. There's no proof "he hangs out" with William Ayers, or Reverand Wright. Yes, Wright is his preacher, but my church has a minister too, but that doesn't mean he speaks for me or we share political viewpoints or hang out together..

Fourth, as to who he takes money from, I'm sure there are numerous scumbags who contribute money to Obama, and that there are numerous more good people that donate money. The same can be said for McCain. The real question is not whether they take money from people but rather are they influenced by that money and pander to those people.

[angrymissy]

The part of the interview everyone leaves out...

But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can’t, then we’re gonna still be working on alternatives.

[JerseySean]

See, this honestly annoys me. I never watch Fox News, listen to Hannity or any of the sort. I think its mindless. When you guys give similiar lines that lets say an Olberman or a Maddow would talk about, I dont accuse you of getting Olberman talking points. If you watch that stuff, there is nothing wrong with it. Its just not for me. My thoughts are my own on this stuff and for all of my accusations, I can cite original sources .

Dude, many times you have said that Obama's tax plan was going to be ruinous to small businesses. I (and several others) have asked to you to state on what basis or analysis you came to that conclusion. If there is something buried in the Obama tax plan that I can't find that would be counterproductive I'd like to know so that if/when he becomes President I can send messages to my politicos to not support a change in the law that is stupid. Since then you've put up many posts that suspicously track whatever the talking points are of the Right-wing commentariat are but haven't given anything substantive to the people on the other side to get us to reconsider our opinions.

If you say you're not just parroting the Fox/Hannity/Weekly Standard talking points, fine, I believe you. But you're not beta testing your own conclusions against main stream reality either. You don't have to, of course, but it weakens your credibility in this particular marketplace of ideas.

/Just sayin'.[/QUOTE]

Noone has asked me to cite how Obama is bad for business because that is easy. Got to any business center interest group's website, NFIB, Chanber, Retail marketers, Realtors, etc. etc.

[TheMojoPin]

There is a big difference between a 25% policy on emmissions and 100% like Obama wants. That is the difference between bankruptcy and profitability. It will also directly cost the consumer up to twice as much for energy.

You're spinning. In specific regards to coal, both candidates at the least want to shift to "clean coal" and at the most away from coal altogether. "Bankrupting" the existing coal industry doesn't mean you can't counter that by shifting to a "clean coal" industry.

[TheMojoPin]

i agree for the most part. However, there are certain circumstances where things dont get reported. IE-Obama directing donors to ACORN, etc.

But why wouldn't it be reported if the story had anything to it?

[JerseySean]

[QUOTE=EliSnow;1936085][FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]

[FONT="Arial"][SIZE="3"]First, as to what he says, people say statements that can be taken out of context all the time. We could do the same to McCain, but we have a little integrity. He doesn't want to bankrupt the entire coal industry.

If you want to split hairs....he will make it impossible for them to do business


Second, as to the voter fraud he helped commit, there's no proof of this at all. His association with ACORN is blown out of any realism and no proof that he committed voter fraud.
Obama's Campaign "Paid More Than $800,000" To ACORN For Get-Out-The
Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally "Misrepresented" The Group's Work To
The FEC. "U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than
$800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it
mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said
Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens
Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in 'get-out-the-vote'
projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging
major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary."
(David M. Brown, "Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending,"
Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)

Third, who he hangs out with. There's no proof "he hangs out" with William Ayers, or Reverand Wright. Yes, Wright is his preacher, but my church has a minister too, but that doesn't mean he speaks for me or we share political viewpoints or hang out together..

OK, so would you sit in church while your preacher is screaming God Damn America?

Fourth, as to who he takes money from, I'm sure there are numerous scumbags who contribute money to Obama, and that there are numerous more good people that donate money. The same can be said for McCain. The real question is not whether they take money from people but rather are they influenced by that money and pander to those people

Bill Ayres is one of them. $250

[JerseySean]

You're spinning. In specific regards to coal, both candidates at the least want to shift to "clean coal" and at the most away from coal altogether. "Bankrupting" the existing coal industry doesn't mean you can't counter that by shifting to a "clean coal" industry.

when the "President" is essentially imposing a 1.2 trillion dollar tax on your industry, that doesnt spark innovation.

[AKA]

I listened too. Nothing about bankrupting the coal industry. Although I guess if you took his words and mixed them around, you might be able to say that.

Or if you just lifted the title from Drudge. (http://www.drudgereport.com)

[AKA]

The part of the interview everyone leaves out...

But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can’t, then we’re gonna still be working on alternatives.

Sean - why are you ignoring Missy's post like you've ignored other facts?

[EliSnow]

If you want to split hairs....he will make it impossible for them to do business

First, I'm not splitting hairs. I'm asking for accuracy in what it is being discussed.


Obama's Campaign "Paid More Than $800,000" To ACORN For Get-Out-The
Vote Efforts; The Campaign Originally "Misrepresented" The Group's Work To
The FEC. "U.S. Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign paid more than
$800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community
Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat's campaign says it
mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports. An Obama spokesman said
Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens
Services Inc. -- a subsidiary of ACORN -- worked in 'get-out-the-vote'
projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging
major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary."
(David M. Brown, "Obama To Amend Report On $800,000 In Spending,"
Pittsburgh Tribune Review, 8/22/08)

See this is an example of you taking one thing and blowing it out of proportion from what it really means.

This is not voter fraud. The reporter is saying that Obama's campaign gave money to have this group go out and get people registered and that there was a mistaken misrepresentation about what the group was supposed to do.. The reporter isn't even using the word fraud, which when used in criminal and civil statutes, etc. requires an intent to deceive.

This does not say that Obama paid money to a group to engage in voter fraud. Voter fraud is where you register people who don't exist, or figure out how to get someone to vote more than once. Again, be accurate in what is being reported.


OK, so would you sit in church while your preacher is screaming God Damn America?

There is no proof that Obama actually attended any of the masses, etc. when the reverand said this.


Bill Ayres is one of them. $250

Oh my fucking god!!!! $250 dollars!!!!!!

Again, I'm sure we could review McCain's donations and find that the campain took money from convicts or people currently involved in commiting some crime. It doesn't mean that McCain is doing the same.

[TheMojoPin]

OK, so would you sit in church while your preacher is screaming God Damn America?

To this day, nobody has provided any more evidence of Wright going off on those tirades during a significant number of his services. That's not to say he never did it any other time, but was come out is that the overwhelming majority of his services were not of that ilk. If anyone who is a regular churchgoer says they've gone to one church for years and never heard anything politically they disagree with, they're a liar. Obama has only ever said that Wright helped awaken his spiritual side, something Wright's POLITICAL opinions have nothing to do with.

Their relationship, and Wright himself, have basically been summed up by a 2 miute clip while few people seem to look beyond that and see what he was like as a preacher beyond those 2 minutes and what kind of spiritual relationship he had with Obama.

Is Wright a jackass? Hell yes, he has no problem putting his foot in his mouth politically, but again, Obama has aways talked about how Wright helped him spiritually, not politically. I have plenty of friends that I couldn't disagree more with politically, but somehow we have or had a friendship.

Bill Ayres is one of them. $250

Obama took money from Bill Ayers the college professor and community activist. He didn't invent a time machine and take money from Bill Ayers the radical 40 years ago. They met when both were on a board to try and improve Chicago's school system.

[AKA]

Watch cities all over America burn after the big johnny Mac win

Yeah, because "the blacks" are the out of control ones and ruining this country.

http://www.agitprops.org/bush-dumb.jpg

I'm much more concerned about the dopey, racist white frat boys and hayseeds.

[JerseySean]

The part of the interview everyone leaves out...

But this notion of no coal, I think, is an illusion. Because the fact of the matter is, is that right now we are getting a lot of our energy from coal. And China is building a coal-powered plant once a week. So what we have to do then is figure out how can we use coal without emitting greenhouse gases and carbon. And how can we sequester that carbon and capture it. If we can’t, then we’re gonna still be working on alternatives.

But in the meanwhile, we're gonna tax this out of the industry $1.2 trillion to spur innovation? Yea thats how business works.

[JerseySean]

To this day, nobody has provided any more evidence of Wright going off on those tirades during his services. That's not to say he never did it any other time, but was come out is that the overwhelming majority of his services were not of that ilk. If anyone who is a regular churchgoer says they've gone to one church for years and never heard anything politically they disagree with, they're a liar. Obama has only ever said that Wright helped awaken his spiritual side, something Wright's POLITICAL opinions have nothing to do with.



Obama took money from Bill Ayers the college professor and community activist. He didn't invent a time machine and take money from Bill Ayers the radical 40 years ago. They met when both were on a board to try and improve Chicago's school system.

Oh ok good. If Bin Laden ends up becoming a scholar and moving to Rutgers, I can take money from him in 30 years? I know that is an extreme example but, in the same year that Bill Ayrres regretted he hadnt done more to blow up buildings, Obama hung out with him and took his money. Nice!

[EliSnow]

Oh ok good. If Bin Laden ends up becoming a scholar and moving to Rutgers, I can take money from him in 30 years? I know that is an extreme example but, in the same year that Bill Ayrres regretted he hadnt done more to blow up buildings, Obama hung out with him and took his money. Nice!

He didn't hang out with him!!!

Jesus f'n christ.

They worked on a project with others including prominent local leaders, one of whom is a republican supporting McCain.

[JerseySean]

First, I'm not splitting hairs. I'm asking for accuracy in what it is being discussed.




See this is an example of you taking one thing and blowing it out of proportion from what it really means.

This is not voter fraud. The reporter is saying that Obama's campaign gave money to have this group go out and get people registered and that there was a mistaken misrepresentation about what the group was supposed to do.. The reporter isn't even using the word fraud, which when used in criminal and civil statutes, etc. requires an intent to deceive.

This does not say that Obama paid money to a group to engage in voter fraud. Voter fraud is where you register people who don't exist, or figure out how to get someone to vote more than once. Again, be accurate in what is being reported.


So after all of the 2004 reports about voter fraud from ACORN, Obama still decided to pursue them as vendor? That shows poor judgement,

[AKA]

But in the meanwhile, we're gonna tax this out of the industry $1.2 trillion to spur innovation? Yea thats how business works.

No acknowledgement that your initial pissy little histrionics on this topic were a tiny bit over-reaching?

[JerseySean]

No acknowledgement that your initial pissy little histrionics on this topic were a tiny bit over-reaching?

No that is trying to bankrupt an industry. By doing that, you bankrupt coal

[EliSnow]

So after all of the 2004 reports about voter fraud from ACORN, Obama still decided to pursue them as vendor? That shows poor judgement,

Maybe, assuming he knew the link between the subsidiary and Acorn, which he could have.

But as you pointed about about McCain and Keating, aving poor judgment doesn't mean that he committed a crime like voter fraud.

[IMSlacker]

No that is trying to bankrupt an industry. By doing that, you bankrupt coal

It's not trying to bankrupt an industry, It's making it cost prohibitive to build new coal fired generation facilities that use the existing technology.

[JerseySean]

He didn't hang out with him!!!

Jesus f'n christ.

They worked on a project with others including prominent local leaders, one of whom is a republican supporting McCain.

In 1995, months after the little-known Obama became Annenberg chairman, state Sen. Alice Palmer introduced the young lawyer as her political heir apparent. The introduction was made over coffee at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Two people who attended the event told CNN the introduction of Obama included a solicitation for campaign funds.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/obama.ayers/index.html

[AKA]

Oh ok good. If Bin Laden ends up becoming a scholar and moving to Rutgers, I can take money from him in 30 years? I know that is an extreme example but, in the same year that Bill Ayrres regretted he hadnt done more to blow up buildings, Obama hung out with him and took his money. Nice!

Other terrorists...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2926795871_ac781f6dc7.jpg?v=0

Arnold Weber-- Republican - worked for Nixon. Donated to John McCain. Worked with William Ayers

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2926814231_1e730c0195.jpg?v=0

The Annenbergs-- Republicans. Bankrolled William Ayers with $50 million

Others who gave money to educational foundations started by William Ayers:

George W. Bush $4000
Mitt Romney $5000
Strom Thurmond $1000
Fred Thompson $500
Rick Santorum $3000

[Furtherman]

No that is trying to bankrupt an industry. By doing that, you bankrupt coal

You're ignorance is hilarious.

I'll bet you a ten thousand year old lump of coal under extreme pressure than if Obama is elected president, not one existing coal based business will go bankrupt in the next 4 years.

[JerseySean]

Maybe, assuming he knew the link between the subsidiary and Acorn, which he could have.

But as you pointed about about McCain and Keating, aving poor judgment doesn't mean that he committed a crime like voter fraud.



No, but everyone has known for year that ACORN has been involved in registration fraud. First reports came out in 96 about that. the Keating thing is a lot more complex than that.

[JerseySean]

Other terrorists...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3192/2926795871_ac781f6dc7.jpg?v=0

Arnold Weber-- Republican - worked for Nixon. Donated to John McCain. Worked with William Ayers

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3013/2926814231_1e730c0195.jpg?v=0

The Annenbergs-- Republicans. Bankrolled William Ayers with $50 million

Others who gave money to educational foundations started by William Ayers:

George W. Bush $4000
Mitt Romney $5000
Strom Thurmond $1000
Fred Thompson $500
Rick Santorum $3000

When they run for President and take money from Ayres to run for political office, we will get them too on it. Deal?

[Ritalin]

I find it amazing that no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with, Obama can do no wrong, wake up guys. Be intellectually honest for once. I can cite a ton of examples where McCain is wrong, but you just keep on hacking for Obama

OK, I can give you one:

I hated Obama's vote on FISA.

[EliSnow]

In 1995, months after the little-known Obama became Annenberg chairman, state Sen. Alice Palmer introduced the young lawyer as her political heir apparent. The introduction was made over coffee at the home of Ayers and Dohrn. Two people who attended the event told CNN the introduction of Obama included a solicitation for campaign funds.

This is not "hanging out." This is meeting someone.

"Hanging out" means that you are spending leisure time with someone like friends.

I've been in several people's home and worked with others. It doesn't mean I "hang out" with them. Obama and Ayers have met each other, yes. They worked on the same foundation/project with each other. It doesn't mean they "hang out."

[AKA]

CC Goldwater, Granddaughter of Barry Goldwater

Richard S. Seline, Finance Director, Republican Party of Texas

David Caprara, Faith-Based Initiatives Director, Federal Volunteer Service Agency under Bush 43

John Perry Barlow, Former Dick Cheney Campaign Manager

Wick Alison, Former publisher of the National Review

Colin Powell, Secretary of State under Bush 43

Ken Duberstein, White House Chief of Staff under Reagan

Douglas Kmiec, Head of the Office of Legal Counsel under Reagan & Bush 41

George C. Lodge, Assistant Secretary of Labor under President Eisenhower

Charles Fried, Solicitor General of the United States under Reagan

Jackson M. Andrews, Former Counsel to the U.S. Senate, & 1986 Republican Senatorial Nominee for Kentucky

Susan Eisenhower, Granddaughter of President Eisenhower & President of the Eisenhower Group

Jim Leach, Former Congressman from Iowa

Ken Adelman, Served in the Ford administration

Lilibet Hagel, Wife of Republican Senator Chuck Hagel

Francis Fukuyama, Advisor to President Reagan

Bruce Rabb, Served in the Nixon administration

Rita Hauser, Former White House intelligence advisor under George W. Bush

Larry Hunter, Former President Reagan Policy Advisor

Scott McClellan, Former Press Secretary to President George W. Bush

Bill Ruckelshaus, Served in the Nixon and Reagan administrations

Christopher Buckley, Son of National Review founder William F. Buckley & former NR columnist

Lincoln Chafee, Former United States Senator from Rhode Island

[Furtherman]

When they run for President and take money from Ayres to run for political office, we will get them too on it. Deal?

I don't seem to remember anyone "getting" Romney or Thompson while they were running.

[EliSnow]

No, but everyone has known for year that ACORN has been involved in registration fraud. First reports came out in 96 about that. the Keating thing is a lot more complex than that.

"Everyone has known for years ..." Talk about being vague.

Again, this is not proof that Obama has been involved in voter fraud, which is what you said.

[JerseySean]

This is not "hanging out." This is meeting someone.

"Hanging out" means that you are spending leisure time with someone like friends.

I've been in several people's home and worked with others. It doesn't mean I "hang out" with them. Obama and Ayers have met each other, yes. They worked on the same foundation/project with each other. It doesn't mean they "hang out."

They have a documented 7 year relationship. Obama's campaign staff has lied about the relationship time and time again. He launched his political career in Ayres' living room according to multiple reports cited in that article.

[EliSnow]

When they run for President and take money from Ayres to run for political office, we will get them too on it. Deal?

I won't. And you know why?

It doesn't mean anything if they did.

[JerseySean]

"Everyone has known for years ..." Talk about being vague.

Again, this is not proof that Obama has been involved in voter fraud, which is what you said.



Obama funded voter fraud. Conceded

[JerseySean]

I won't. And you know why?

It doesn't mean anything if they did.

Great, so if McCain took a check from an OK city bomber and had a fundraiser in their living room, you wouldnt have a problem with that?

[AKA]

When they run for President and take money from Ayres to run for political office, we will get them too on it. Deal?

So, there's absolutely no problem with supporters and donorof John McCain bankrolling a TERRORIST? Why didn't John McCain give back that money?

Phoney hypocrites with their phony outrage.

[EliSnow]

They have a documented 7 year relationship. Obama's campaign staff has lied about the relationship time and time again. He launched his political career in Ayres' living room according to multiple reports cited in that article.

They have a documented working relationship. It's not "hanging out." Ayers has documented working relationships with many in Chicago even republicans.

And numerous reports have said he launched his career in the living room, but no one has any proof of that.

[Furtherman]

Great, so if McCain took a check from an OK city bomber and had a fundraiser in their living room, you wouldnt have a problem with that?

Not. Even. Close.

[EliSnow]

Great, so if McCain took a check from an OK city bomber and had a fundraiser in their living room, you wouldnt have a problem with that?

It's not the same fucking thing, and quit trying to pretend it is.

[JerseySean]

It's not the same fucking thing, and quit trying to pretend it is.

Whats the difference between Ayres and OK City?

Both were political extremists, both killed innocent people.

[EliSnow]

Obama funded voter fraud. Conceded

Another misrepresentation. It suggests that he gave money to commit voter fraud, and there is no proof that he did.

Or than ACORN used his money to commit voter fraud without his knowledge.

Again, you are saying things that have no basis in fact.

[EliSnow]

Whats the difference between Ayres and OK City?

Both were political extremists, both killed innocent people.

Oklahoma City is a city and not a political extremist.

But you're talking about the McVeigh etc. The difference is that Ayers has gone on and been recognized by both democrats and republicans as being a worthwhile citizen. He has renounced terrorism. Although he has said he didn't do enough in the 1960's/1970's, he subsquently said that he didn't mean he wished he had bombed more.

[JerseySean]

Another misrepresentation. It suggests that he gave money to commit voter fraud, and there is no proof that he did.

Or than ACORN used his money to commit voter fraud without his knowledge.

Again, you are saying things that have no basis in fact.

Ill do this slowly for you.....

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-123207472.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB109581203503024373.html?mod=googlewsj

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mR0MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0VwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6859,4724730&dq=acorn+voter+fraud

http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/PI/lib00187,0EB5CDF7F6FBEABF.html

Then........

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533169940482893.html

Obama had no idea, obviously

[JerseySean]

Oklahoma City is a city and not a political extremist.

But you're talking about the McVeigh etc. The difference is that Ayers has gone on and been recognized by both democrats and republicans as being a worthwhile citizen. He has renounced terrorism. Although he has said he didn't do enough in the 1960's/1970's, he subsquently said that he didn't mean he wished he had bombed more.



Really? Upstanding?

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

[EliSnow]

Ill do this slowly for you.....

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-123207472.html

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB109581203503024373.html?mod=googlewsj

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=mR0MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0VwDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6859,4724730&dq=acorn+voter+fraud

http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/PI/lib00187,0EB5CDF7F6FBEABF.html

Then........

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122533169940482893.html

Obama had no idea, obviously

I never said that Obama had no idea that ACORN has not been accused of voter fraud, and admitted it may have been poor judgement. My point is that there is no evidence whatsoever that he (or his campaing) gave money to ACORN so that they could engage in voter fraud.

The only thing you could point to before was that his campain mistakenly reported what the ACORN subsidiary was hired to do (polling v. get out the vote)

[Furtherman]

Whats the difference between Ayres and OK City?

Both were political extremists, both killed innocent people.

List the names of the innocent people that Ayres killed. I dare you.



Again, you are saying things that have no basis in fact.

Which is pretty much everything he's said. He's slipped beneath the waves and has nothing to stand on. I'd suggest ignoring his banter. What I'm looking for will be his complaints about the Obama administration and how we're a socialist country. Those will be hilarious.

[TheMojoPin]

Really? Upstanding?

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

Uh, yes. How are you taking what Eli said as trying to justify Ayers back then? Agan, we're talking about Ayers NOW and not trying to defend his actions in the past. He was a criminal and served his time. For the last 25+ years he's been a professor and a community activist. Nobody is denying what he did in the past, but he past is the past, especially when he's clearly a different person at this point and has been for decades and has made himself into a productive member of society after going to prison for what he was involved in.

[JerseySean]

n an interview published in 1995, Ayers characterized his political beliefs at that time and in the 1960s and 1970s: "I am a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist ... [Laughs] Maybe I'm the last communist who is willing to admit it. [Laughs] We have always been small 'c' communists in the sense that we were never in the Communist party and never Stalinists. The ethics of communism still appeal to me. I don't like Lenin as much as the early Marx. I also like Henry David Thoreau, Mother Jones and Jane Addams

Same year he had a fundraiser for Obama

[EliSnow]

Really? Upstanding?

http://www.city-journal.org/2008/eon0430jm.html

I never even used the word upstanding or call him upstanding. Read my post.

I said:

The difference is that Ayers has gone on and been recognized by both democrats and republicans as being a worthwhile citizen.

I said he was recognized as being a worthwhile citizen.

[JerseySean]

List the names of the innocent people that Ayres killed. I dare you.



http://www.policelink.com/news/63202-weather-underground-honoring-the-cops-they-killed

I am sure the families of the people they killed think the same....

Obama took money, had a fundraiser and launched a political career in the home of a man who is directly responsible for the deaths of these three men. It is indefensible.

[TheMojoPin]

Same year he had a fundraiser for Obama

So what?

[Furtherman]

http://www.policelink.com/news/63202-weather-underground-honoring-the-cops-they-killed

Do you even read the articles you post... there is more than just the headlines, so... still waiting for the proof of your statement:

Whats the difference between Ayres and OK City?

Both were political extremists, both killed innocent people.

It's not in that article.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.policelink.com/news/63202-weather-underground-honoring-the-cops-they-killed

I am sure the families of the people they killed think the same....

Obama took money, had a fundraiser and launched a political career in the home of a man who is directly responsible for the deaths of these three men. It is indefensible.

Because it doesn't need defending. Stop trying to spin this like Obama is hanging around with a wanted terrorist or someone who didn't serve their time and became a productive member of society. THEY MET BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO IMRPOVE THE SCHOOLING IN CHICAGO. STOP IGNORING THAT AND TRYING TO IMPLY THEY WERE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT BLOWING THINGS UP.

[JerseySean]

So what?

Oh ok. If McCain launched his political career and had a 10 year relationship with a guy who killed people, blew up government buildings, and publicly states that "hey, I'm a small n nazi". I think Hitler had some decent ideas. Not so much Mussolini. That would be ok by you?

[epo]

So what?

But see that ruins America! It's not pure anymore!

On a side note: Did anyone see that America's hero G. Gordon Libby endorsed McCain?

[JerseySean]

Because it doesn't need defending. Stop trying to spin this like Obama is hanging around with a wanted terrorist or someone who didn't serve their time and became a productive member of society. THEY MET BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO IMRPOVE THE SCHOOLING IN CHICAGO. STOP IGNORING THAT AND TRYING TO IMPLY THEY WERE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT BLOWING THINGS UP.

You know whats funny. I am not implying that at ALL. I just think it shows us a bit of the leftist culture that Obama was drawn to and believes in. Moreover, I wouldnt raise money in a terrorists living room.

[Furtherman]

They have a documented 7 year relationship.

10 year relationship

You can't even remember your own false arguments.

[TheMojoPin]

Oh ok. If McCain launched his political career and had a 10 year relationship with a guy who killed people, blew up government buildings, and publicly states that "hey, I'm a small n nazi". I think Hitler had some decent ideas. Not so much Mussolini. That would be ok by you?

Stop it. Bill Ayers is not Timothy McVeigh. Bill Ayers is not Hitler or Osama bin Laden or whatever other absurd hyperbole you want to pull out of your hat. Obama's political relationship has been with Bill Ayers the college professor and community activist, not Ayers the terrorist. You're smarter than that. He was a criminal in his youth and served his time. Since his release, he turned his life around and has become a valuable part of the city around him, primarily focused on educating and helping improve education. Your comparisons trying to pant him like an active threat and some kind of supervillain are ridiculous, absurd and desperate in the face of who he actualy has been for the last several decades since his release from prison.

[TheMojoPin]

You know whats funny. I am not implying that at ALL. I just think it shows us a bit of the leftist culture that Obama was drawn to and believes in. Moreover, I wouldnt raise money in a terrorists living room.

Yeah, how DARE they want to improve Chicago's schools. Those commie pinko terrorist scumbags. They sicken me.

[epo]

You know whats funny. I am not implying that at ALL. I just think it shows us a bit of the leftist culture that Obama was drawn to and believes in. Moreover, I wouldnt raise money in a terrorists living room.

In 1998 G. Gordon Liddy held a John McCain fundraiser in his home. Liddy is a domestic terrorist. Does this make McCain as guilty or more guilty than Obama?

JOHN MCCAIN HATES AMERICA!

[EliSnow]

Oh ok. If McCain launched his political career and had a 10 year relationship with a guy who killed people, blew up government buildings, and publicly states that "hey, I'm a small n nazi". I think Hitler had some decent ideas. Not so much Mussolini. That would be ok by you?

First, there is huge difference between a Nazi and someone who agrees with the original Marxist views of communism. If he said he was a small L lenist or a small s Stalinst, yes, you could make that comparison.

I think communism is the flawed theory, but the original theory wasn't about the mass killings of people, etc. underlying Nazisim.

[JerseySean]

Stop it. Bill Ayers is not Timothy McVeigh. Bill Ayers is not Hitler or Osama bin Laden or whatever other absurd hyperbole you want to pull out of your hat. Obama's political relationship has been with Bill Ayers the college professor and community activist, not Ayers the terrorist. You're smarter than that. He was a criminal in his youth and served his time. Since his release, he turned his life around and has become a valuable part of the city around him, primarily focused on educating and helping improve education. Your comparisons trying to pant him like an active threat and some kind of supervillain are ridiculous, absurd and desperate in the face of who he actualy has been for the last several decades since his release from prison.

I am not trying to paint him as a threat today but after you KILL people. You are always a terrorist. I never compared Ayres to those people. Please re-read quote

[TheMojoPin]

I'm waiting for him to compare Ayers to Lex Luthor and the Weathermen to the Legion of Doom. It would actually be more realistic than comparing them to Hitler and the Nazis.

[TheMojoPin]

I am not trying to paint him as a threat today but after you KILL people. You are always a terrorist. I never compared Ayres to those people. Please re-read quote

And he served his time. He's since used his life to teach and fight to imrpove the standards of education in Chicago. It's under the latter context that Obama met with him and worked with him. Obama has nothing to do with Ayers' past. Obama was working on an education board for Chicago. He couldn't have been working on such a project in Chicago and NOT dealt with Ayers. It would have been stupid to say, "whoa, HEY, I want these schools to be better, but y'know, because of crimes you committed 30 years ago, I can't have anything to do with you. Sorry, kids!"

An yes, you did compare Ayers to those people...if you didn't, why bring up Hiler and McVeigh and bin Laden et al in the first place?

Nobody is trying to justify or excuse Ayers' past.

[JerseySean]

And he served his time. He's since used his life to teach and fight to imrpove the standards of education in Chicago. It's under the latter context that Obama met with him and worked with him. Obama has nothing to do with Ayers' past. Obama was working on an education board for Chicago. He couldn't have been working on such a project in Chicago and NOT dealt with Ayers. It would have been stupid to say, "whoa, HEY, I want these schools to be better, but y'know, because of crimes you committed 30 years ago, I can't have anything to do with you. Sorry, kids!"

An yes, you did compare Ayers to those people...if you didn't, why bring up Hiler and McVeigh and bin Laden et al in the first place?

So if Tim Mcveigh would have gotten out of jail and worked with children, you would have no problem launching a political career at his house? Obama got political money from a man who killed people in an act of anti-government terrorism.

[TheMojoPin]

So if Tim Mcveigh would have gotten out of jail and worked with children, you would have no problem launching a political career at his house?

It's not the same thing, and you know it. How you can deny comparing Ayers to people like McVeigh and then posting this is beyond me. The scope, context and circumstances of their crimes are drastically different and you know tha, too. Who they are/were as people is vastly different, and you know it. Stop reducing this to glib generalizations so you can spin this as negatively as possible, like below:

Obama got political money from a man who killed people in an act of anti-government terrorism.

First of all, there's no evidence Ayers killed anyone. Secondly, stop acting like you can ignore the next 40 years of his life, or that Obama has anything to do with Ayers' radical past or the two share anything besides a desire to improve education in Chicago. Nobody is excusing Ayers' past, and his life from being a criminal and a terrorist to becoming a productive member of society who works peacefully in "the system" after serving his time should be seen as a postive story. What he did as a youth will never go away, but it's not all that his life is about, and it has zero to do with Obama and why Obama met with and worked with him. They're relationship is in regards to education. Ayers has his politics, Obama has his, but they found common ground over trying to improve the Chicago school systems.

[JerseySean]

It's not the same thing, and you know it. How you can deny comparing Ayers to people like McVeigh and then posting this is beyond me. The scope, context and circumstances of their crimes are drastically different and you know tha, too. Who they are/were as people is vastly different, and you know it. Stop reducing this to glib generalizations so you can spin this as negatively as possible, like below:



First of all, there's no evidence Ayers killed anyone. Secondly, stop acting like you can ignore the next 40 years of his life, or that Obama has anything to do with Ayers' radical past or the two share anything besides a desire to improve education in Chicago. Nobody is excusing Ayers' past, and his life from being a criminal and a terrorist to becoming a productive member of society who works peacefully in "the system" after serving his time should be seen as a postive story. What he did as a youth will never go away, but it's not all that his life is about, and it has zero to do with Obama and why Obama met with and worked with him. They're relationship is in regards to education. Ayers has his politics, Obama has his, but they found common ground over trying to improve the Chicago school systems.
What you don’t usually hear in modern-day news coverage of the group, is that three of those murders were of police officers killed in the line of duty.

On February 16, 1970, a bomb exploded at a San Francisco, California, Police Department substation, fatally wounding Sergeant Brian McDonnell. McDonnell died of his wounds two days later. A second officer, Robert Fogarty was partially blinded by the bomb’s shrapnel. Although the case has never officially been solved, members of the Weather Underground, including Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, were prime suspects.

On October 20, 1981, several members of the Weather Underground undertook the robbery of a bank to finance their terrorist activities. During the robbery the group murdered an armored car guard and two members of the Nyack, New York, Police Department – Officer Waverly Brown and Sergeant Edward O’Grady,. a Vietnam War veteran. Unlike with Sergeant McDonnell’s murder, this case was quickly solved and several members of the group were sentenced to lengthy prison terms.

Sergeant McDonnell, Officer Brown, and Sergeant O’Grady were just three of over a dozen law enforcement officers killed by radical, domestic terrorist groups during the 1970s and 1980s. Their memories may be forgotten by those who killed them and walk free – whether through lack of arrest and prosecution in McDonnell’s case or having served their sentences in Brown’s and O’Grady’s cases – but they will never be forgotten by their brothers and sisters in law enforcement.

Look man, I am ready to concede that I dont think you are spinning for Obama. I think you are genuine on this at least. I just think we see the world in different ways.

[foodcourtdruide]

First of all, there's no evidence Ayers killed anyone. Secondly, stop acting like you can ignore the next 40 years of his life, or that Obama has anything to do with Ayers' radical past or the two share anything besides a desire to improve education in Chicago. Nobody is excusing Ayers' past, and his life from being a criminal and a terrorist to becoming a productive member of society who works peacefully in "the system" after serving his time should be seen as a postive story. What he did as a youth will never go away, but it's not all that his life is about, and it has zero to do with Obama and why Obama met with and worked with him. They're relationship is in regards to education. Ayers has his politics, Obama has his, but they found common ground over trying to improve the Chicago school systems.

Mojo, you completely nailed it with what I put in bold. This is such a fake issue and I'd love to know why McCain's relationship with G. Gordon Liddy is ignored.

[TheMojoPin]

What you don’t usually hear in modern-day news coverage of the group, is that three of those murders were of police officers killed in the line of duty.

On February 16, 1970, a bomb exploded at a San Francisco, California, Police Department substation, fatally wounding Sergeant Brian McDonnell. McDonnell died of his wounds two days later. A second officer, Robert Fogarty was partially blinded by the bomb’s shrapnel. Although the case has never officially been solved, members of the Weather Underground, including Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, were prime suspects.

On October 20, 1981, several members of the Weather Underground undertook the robbery of a bank to finance their terrorist activities. During the robbery the group murdered an armored car guard and two members of the Nyack, New York, Police Department – Officer Waverly Brown and Sergeant Edward O’Grady,. a Vietnam War veteran. Unlike with Sergeant McDonnell’s murder, this case was quickly solved and several members of the group were sentenced to lengthy prison terms.

Sergeant McDonnell, Officer Brown, and Sergeant O’Grady were just three of over a dozen law enforcement officers killed by radical, domestic terrorist groups during the 1970s and 1980s. Their memories may be forgotten by those who killed them and walk free – whether through lack of arrest and prosecution in McDonnell’s case or having served their sentences in Brown’s and O’Grady’s cases – but they will never be forgotten by their brothers and sisters in law enforcement.

Look man, I am ready to concede that I dont think you are spinning for Obama. I think you are genuine on this at least. I just think we see the world in different ways.

And once again, nobody is excusing Ayers' past. There's also no evidence, whether you like it or not, that Ayers actually killed anyone. The Weathermen weren't just Ayers, so murders attributed to them or where they're suspected doesn't automaticlaly make Ayers guilty. Despite all of that, he still went to jail for his activites, and once he was out he changed his life. Again, it doesn't excuse his past, but he turned himself around and shed the radical practices of his past. His past has nothing to do with Obama, and the two reached a mutual relationship over their desire to improve the Chicago education system. That has nothing to do with Ayers' past. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. By the time they met, Ayers was an influential figure in Chicago activism and the push to improve the schools, and Obama was pushing for the same goal. They met and worked together because of the schools, period. There's nothing that shows that Obama has any of Ayers radical political beliefs. What you just quoted above, again, whether you like it or not, has absolutely nothing to do with Obama and his relationship with Bill Ayers. Nothing.

[Furtherman]

Yea but he was in his living room!

[EliSnow]

Yea but he was in his living room!

IN HIS HOME! IN HIS LIVING ROOM! Where his wife reads Das Kapital ... and his children plot against America!

[JerseySean]

IN HIS HOME! IN HIS LIVING ROOM! Where his wife reads Das Kapital ... and his children plot against America!

Nice one dude

[JerseySean]

Obama and Coal: Send Americans 'Price Signals' on Energy
November 03, 2008 10:32 AM ET | James Pethokoukis | Permanent Link | Print
It could have been a classic presidential debate moment, John McCain turning to Barack Obama and saying, "Isn't it true that you want Americans to pay higher energy prices?" Right in the middle of an economic downturn, that's the last thing most of us want to do. But that is exactly what Obama wants us to do.

Here is what Obama told Iowa public television last year (courtesy of Little Green Footballs): "I think it is important to send some price signals to change behavior. It's not going to be painless. Power plants are going to have to adjust how they generate power. They will pass on those costs to consumers.... A lot of us who can afford it are going to pay more for a unit of electricity; over time the electricity bill goes back down as technology catches back up."

Me: See, Obama's little-discussed cap-and-trade plan would raise costs on businesses for using energy, like the entire coal industry—and they would then pass on those costs to you and me. Those "price signals" effectively are $100 billion a year in energy taxes, which would wipe out Obama's middle-class tax cut/credit.

Nice

[IMSlacker]

Little Green Footballs?

[foodcourtdruide]

Me: See, Obama's little-discussed cap-and-trade plan would raise costs on businesses for using energy, like the entire coal industry—and they would then pass on those costs to you and me. Those "price signals" effectively are $100 billion a year in energy taxes, which would wipe out Obama's middle-class tax cut/credit.

Maybe McCain should have highlighted these actual issues rather than spending his time accusing him of being a socialist and grasping at loose associations.

[TheMojoPin]

Maybe McCain should have highlighted these actual issues rather than spending his time accusing him of being a socialist and grasping at loose associations.

That, and he has his own cap & trade plan. Sean didn't provide us a link to his quote, so I have no idea if they even touched on that.

[IMSlacker]

Drudge has officially run out of stuff to post.

http://www.drudgereport.com/finger.jpg


OBAMA CONGRATULATES MCCAIN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMdWxcFXQg)

[EliSnow]

Maybe McCain should have highlighted these actual issues rather than spending his time accusing him of being a socialist and grasping at loose associations.

Ahem:

Yea but he was in his living room!

[Lady Resin]

I just saw on Fox news that Obama's grandmother died. Trying to find the story online. Talk about timing.

[Dougie Brootal]

front page of cnn.com reporting it too.

[angrymissy]

I just saw on Fox news that Obama's grandmother died. Trying to find the story online. Talk about timing.

oh wow, that's horrible.

[Misteriosa]

oh man... i'm sure she was trying to make it thru just one more day... rest in peace granny obama

[Dougie Brootal]

oh man... i'm sure she was trying to make it thru just one more day... rest in peace granny obama

Granny Dunham.


















just sayin.:tongue:

[mikeyboy]

Drudge's take:

OBAMA SAYS GRANDMOTHER DIED TODAY...

...which kind of suggests that Obama announced it, but it might not be true.

[Misteriosa]

Granny Dunham.
just sayin.:tongue:

go fuck yourself :lol:

[Dougie Brootal]

linky (http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/03/obamas-grandmother-dies/)

[Dougie Brootal]

go fuck yourself :lol:

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrowl! i love it when you talk dirty...

[JerseySean]

I just saw on Fox news that Obama's grandmother died. Trying to find the story online. Talk about timing.

Thats really sad. Im sure it is an emotional time for Barack and that really sucks for them. Hopefully he can make it to the funeral.

[EliSnow]

I'm sorry to hear about Obama's grandmother.

I wonder how long it will take until we see/hear someone complain that Obama's going to get the sympathy vote now.

[Recyclerz]

Granny Dunham.

just sayin.:tongue:

If Obama wins she'll be the new Grandma Moses.*

Godspeed Mrs. Dunham. You did a fine job.


*A li'l Biblical joke for you heathens out there.

[brettmojo]

Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but isn't Obama saying that he'll bankrupt anyone who tries to build a new coal fired power generation facility, not the coal industry?

SHUT UP!!! DON'T THINK ABOUT IT!!! HE'S TRYING TO CRUMBLE THE FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN WITH HIS COMMIE TERRORIST PALS LIKE AYERS AND THE AYATOLLAH!!!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15191.html

Interesting article

http://storage.people.com/jpgs/19920504/19920504-750-141.jpg

Without reading what has been posted in the last 2 days, I am going to assume that JerseySean will be frothing over the Coal business, since I saw Hannity and Coulter flipping out over this on TV last night, while poor ol ghoulish Holmes tried to explain that McCain is doing the same thing. I think they spit on him.

I can't wait till' they finally douse him with gasoline and set him on fire.

Over the weekend someone told me that Obama has an aunt who is living here illegally.

And that matters how? Is it everyone's duty to make sure every family member is clean? Registered? Paying taxes? Washing their sheets? Separating glass from plastic?

COMMIE PINKO ILLEGAL ALIEN HARBORING MARXIST!!!

I agree why should that matter.

Obama:

Aunt who is here illegally.

Preacher who hates America.

Terrorist as an education advisor.

Wants to "share our wealth" and bankrupt coal.

I hear ya these things are no big deal.

You forgot "Is a nigger".

Shocker, he ignored this request.

As well as contradicting facts... It's what he does.

If you're going to make bold accusations in public, share your evidence in public.

Crazy talk.

He doesnt want to bankrupt coal? Really?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

Yeah. Really.

No they really didnt, there is no good counter thaty isnt spin. Nothing is out of context there. It is the full statement. Please listen.

It's all spin dude. Don't get me wrong you have managed to accidentally kinda' touch on some decent points one or two times but see the thing you consistently do, other than ignore it when people point out your lies and bullshit, is take something and make weird baseless leaps to conclusions that serve the Republican propaganda machine. You read or hear A, and then you say C... But the B that you need to connect them doesn't exist. That is what you've been doing. Everyone knows it. So either stop or don't get all dismissing calling everyone "Obama hackers" when you're standing over there on Planet McCain/Palin riding around on a T-Rex reading out of the Republican "Fuck it! We suck on the issues so we'll attack them with worthless fluff" playbook.

I find it amazing that no matter what this guy says, what voter fraud he help commit, who he takes money from, who he hangs out with, Obama can do no wrong, wake up guys. Be intellectually honest for once. I can cite a ton of examples where McCain is wrong, but you just keep on hacking for Obama

Pot, Kettle... Kettle, pot.

He talks about how we will never be able to afford new coal plant because under his plan they will go bankrupt.

Oh ok, I see your point.

Which is essentially the same thing McCain wants to do. Both support cap and trade policies the encompass the coal industry and would ultimaely do away with the coal industry. If Obama is "guilty of being anti-coal," then so is McCain.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/2001/icons/hal.jpg

There is a big difference between a 25% policy on emmissions and 100% like Obama wants. That is the difference between bankruptcy and profitability. It will also directly cost the consumer up to twice as much for energy.

There's a difference between addressing a problem and half assing it too.

You're spinning. In specific regards to coal, both candidates at the least want to shift to "clean coal" and at the most away from coal altogether. "Bankrupting" the existing coal industry doesn't mean you can't counter that by shifting to a "clean coal" industry.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/2001/icons/hal.jpg

Sean - why are you ignoring Missy's post like you've ignored other facts?

MCCAIN/PALIN 'O8!!!

Obama funded voter fraud. Conceded

So then McCain worked with our enemies during a time of war, got it.

Do you even read the articles you post...

No, he doesn't.

Because it doesn't need defending. Stop trying to spin this like Obama is hanging around with a wanted terrorist or someone who didn't serve their time and became a productive member of society. THEY MET BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO IMRPOVE THE SCHOOLING IN CHICAGO. STOP IGNORING THAT AND TRYING TO IMPLY THEY WERE SITTING AROUND TALKING ABOUT BLOWING THINGS UP.

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/2001/icons/hal.jpg

You can't even remember your own false arguments.

There's so many, who can blame him.

Stop it. Bill Ayers is not Timothy McVeigh. Bill Ayers is not Hitler or Osama bin Laden or whatever other absurd hyperbole you want to pull out of your hat. Obama's political relationship has been with Bill Ayers the college professor and community activist, not Ayers the terrorist. You're smarter than that.

He really isn't.

Yeah, how DARE they want to improve Chicago's schools. Those commie pinko terrorist scumbags. They sicken me.

FUCKING MUSLIN MARXIST SCALAWAG!!!

In 1998 G. Gordon Liddy held a John McCain fundraiser in his home. Liddy is a domestic terrorist. Does this make McCain as guilty or more guilty than Obama?

JOHN MCCAIN HATES AMERICA!

http://www.visual-memory.co.uk/2001/icons/hal.jpg

So if Tim Mcveigh would have gotten out of jail and worked with children, you would have no problem launching a political career at his house? Obama got political money from a man who killed people in an act of anti-government terrorism.

If he murdered people, why isn't he in jail?

A, ..., C.

Drudge's take:



...which kind of suggests that Obama announced it, but it might not be true.
He is a lying Muslin Commie Pinko Marxist Russian African Al Qaeda half breed.

[IMSlacker]

Nice. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/california_gop_files_fec_compl.html)

Perhaps the most ill-timed press release of the 2008 campaign arrived shortly after 1:30 p.m. today, sent by the Republican National Committee.

The release forwarded word that the California Republican Party filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, in part because of a visit Sen. Barack Obama made to his dying grandmother.

[Friday]

I'm sorry to hear about Obama's grandmother.

I wonder how long it will take until we see/hear someone complain that Obama's going to get the sympathy vote now.

As long as it takes to get to tomorrow's Opie and Anthony show...

[TheMojoPin]

Whoa.

Anyway, I'm pissed that I have work tomorrow night. I haven't worked on a Tuesday in months, and when I have it's alwas just been a short morning shift...so what do I get on this historic election night? A 6 PM to 11 PM shift.

Fudge.

[GreatAmericanZero]

i was thinking...if Obama loses tomorrow this would be the worst week he could possibly have in his life

Losing his grandmother who raised him and losing a presidential election when projected as winning

ouch

[AKA]

i was thinking...if Obama loses tomorrow this would be the worst week he could possibly have in his life

Losing his grandmother who raised him and losing a presidential election when projected as winning

ouch

But at least the Cubs didn't win win the World Series, so he will have something to still be grateful about.

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/obama.jpg_20080825_13_16_49_44-282-400.imageContent

[GreatAmericanZero]

But at least the Cubs didn't work win the World Series, so he will have something to still be grateful about.

http://media1.suntimes.com/multimedia/obama.jpg_20080825_13_16_49_44-282-400.imageContent

and he can always have comfort in the fact that he is still a senator in the state that exclusively sells the "Ron Bennington got his own Cupcake"!

[brettmojo]

Nice. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/california_gop_files_fec_compl.html)
That's gonna' enrage people. Stupid Republics.

[JerseySean]

Nice. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/11/03/california_gop_files_fec_compl.html)

Wow...I dont know who made that decision in CA and then again in the RNC press office, but what the fuck? If I am saying that, you know how fucked up this is.

[albo60s]

Why does Obama never wear shorts? I mean theres video of him playing basketball & allso biking around Chicago in long pants in the summer. Who wears sweats to play basketball? Wouldn't you overheat??? In addition I heard he's a ball hog. No moves either. Earl could whip his ass.
Does Barak Obama have skinny chicken legs he's ashamed of?

[epo]

Why does Obama never wear shorts? I mean theres video of him playing basketball & allso biking around Chicago in long pants in the summer. Who wears sweats to play basketball? Wouldn't you overheat??? In addition I heard he's a ball hog. No moves either. Earl could whip his ass.
Does Barak Obama have skinny chicken legs he's ashamed of?

Alright Mary, you asked for it:

http://www.donkeydish.com/images/gallery/barack-obama-shirtless_448x629.jpg

[albo60s]

Alright Mary, you asked for it:

http://www.donkeydish.com/images/gallery/barack-obama-shirtless_448x629.jpg


That looks photo shopped.
Way too robust to be Obama's 102 pound physique.

[epo]

That looks photo shopped.
Way too robust to be Obama's 102 pound physique.

You right-wingers can't believe anything can you? Even photos you may/or may not batch to. :tongue:

[Tenbatsuzen]

I cannot actually believe I'm going to do this tomorrow.

[Recyclerz]

I cannot actually believe I'm going to do this tomorrow.

Once you do, some say you'll never go back. :wink:

[foodcourtdruide]

Fortunately, Drudge is doing some hard hitting good reporting this morning:

Here's one of this news items:
Ayers, Farrakhan Vote at Same Polling Location as Obama...

Uh.. what?

[EliSnow]

Roves Predicts Obama Landslide Victory. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/04/rove-predicts-obama-landslide/)

And he should give a large portion of the credit to himself.

[celery]

Roves Predicts Obama Landslide Victory. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/11/04/rove-predicts-obama-landslide/)

And he should give a large portion of the credit to himself.



That old gag.

[JerseySean]

Fortunately, Drudge is doing some hard hitting good reporting this morning:

Here's one of this news items:
Ayers, Farrakhan Vote at Same Polling Location as Obama...

Uh.. what?

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[AKA]

What will it take to get Sean to return to Wackbag?

[AKA]

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[razorboy]

What will it take to get Sean to return to Wackbag?

He wouldn't take the bet.

[foodcourtdruide]

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lol, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh black panthers... how ominious.

[JerseySean]

What will it take to get Sean to return to Wackbag?

Was never a wackbag guy

[foodcourtdruide]

Was never a wackbag guy

You'd fit in pretty well there.

[TheMojoPin]

lol, ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh black panthers... how ominious.

My guess is that dude saw black people in line and freaked out and ran.

[TheMojoPin]

You'd fit in pretty well there.

He's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too civil for WB.

Sean doesn't get enough credit...yes, he's stubborn and his arguments are often kind of, uh, self-defeating, but he keeps a level head about him and doesn't explode. Sure, some of what he posts is kinda wonky, but he's cool.

Though I still wish he had taken the bet.

[foodcourtdruide]

He's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too civil for WB.

Sean doesn't get enough credit...yes, he's stubborn and his arguments are often kind of, uh, self-defeating, but he keeps a level head about him and doesn't explode. Sure, some of what he posts is kinda wonky, but he's cool.

Though I still wish he had taken the bet.

This is true. Sean isn't a mean-spirited idiot. He seems like a nice guy that's pretty stubborn.

[AKA]

My guess is that dude saw black people in line and freaked out and ran.

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/f950b3292b_ltpspringsteen10032007.jpg

RUN! BRUCE! RUN!

There's a negro with a hat preventing you from VOTING!

[Dougie Brootal]

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/f950b3292b_ltpspringsteen10032007.jpg

RUN! BRUCE! RUN!

There's a negro with a hat preventing you from VOTING!

hahaa it does look like bruce is screaming in terror! and max looks like hes saying "oh shit!"

[AKA]

He's waaaaaaaaaaaaay too civil for WB.


Now, there are plenty of fine people - friends of ours - who post at The Bag (http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=78555).

:bye:

I just thought it might be nice for him to be around people who would snort and high five each other every time he says "Barry" or "Liberal" or "In The Tank."

[star queen]

but you know probably a lot of those old sand caftans are made out of muslin

but about the muslim thing, it isn't that he's going to get in there then reveal he is muslim.

it will just be subtle things like the end of four years there will be a mosque addition onto the white house and those loud speakers that broadcast call to prayer but all the while they'll just be saying it's just an open door nicety to American muslims visiting the dc area

and then there will be all the unavenged under reported national :flush:killings of christians

[EliSnow]

and then there will be all the unavenged under reported national :flush:killings of christians

Yes, because the president controls every police force in the nation and these forces will roll over to any suggestion that murders should not be investigated.

Even if the above is sarcastic joke, it's not a good one.

[star queen]

Yes, because the president controls every police force in the nation and these forces will roll over to any suggestion that murders should not be investigated.

Even if the above is sarcastic joke, it's not a good one.

I am sarcastic but I only say it sarcastically because I don't expect anyone to take the news seriously

kudos to you

[star queen]

:help:Yes, because the president controls every police force in the nation and these forces will roll over to any suggestion that murders should not be investigated.

Even if the above is sarcastic joke, it's not a good one.

and I would like to grant your wish of a homosexual encounter

[angrymissy]

OK, the guys at the butcher shop who told Jeff he was buying "N" Food (when he asked for pigs feet or something weird like that) were all talking about how they voted Obama because he's not one of those types of blacks.

This could be the one thing totally convincing me he's got it in the bag, because those guys are the local Joe the Plumbers.

[Sinestro]

Sam the Butcher!!!!

[razorboy]

Sam the Butcher!!!!

bringing Alice the meat, like Fred Flintstone driving around with bald feet