President-Elect Obama Thread

[Zorro]

Seriously, Drudge.

How the FUCK is this news???

VIDEO: Obama Sneezes on Reporter... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrRIjW_6xo4)

It shows Barack sneezes just like the rest of us....duh

[Jujubees2]

It shows Barack sneezes just like the rest of us....duh

No he's not. He's black and a Muslim!

[jauble]

Barack was in Indy this morning, and so was the FFA convention. It was an interesting mix of people to say the least. Didnt hear the speech but I could see the gathering from my office. Pretty decent size group. It still seems weird that Indiana is a potential swing state.

[epo]

Barack was in Indy this morning, and so was the FFA convention. It was an interesting mix of people to say the least. Didnt hear the speech but I could see the gathering from my office. Pretty decent size group. It still seems weird that Indiana is a potential swing state.

Being a swing-state can be cool and annoying at the same time. It's cool to get all of the visits from serious national politicians. It can be annoying with all of the TV/Radio advertising that gets done. It can be maddening with all of the robocalls!

I was shocked today to see in the Big Ten Poll (http://www.bigtenpoll.org/)that Senator Obama has a 10-point lead in Indiana. Actually to be honest, I still don't know if I believe it.

[jauble]

Update: An estimated 36,000 people were on hand this morning.

Also Epo I was in Ohio for the last election so I kind of got used to the ads. What is weird for me is that it is happening in Indiana. I dont recall seeing the presedential ads this late in the season back in 2000.

[Jujubees2]

Update: An estimated 36,000 people were on hand this morning.

Also Epo I was in Ohio for the last election so I kind of got used to the ads. What is weird for me is that it is happening in Indiana. I dont recall seeing the presedential ads this late in the season back in 2000.

I live in New York City (home to the Elites according to Sen. McCain). What's a presidential ad?

[LordJezo]

The bible predicted the mark of the beast but it seems to be that if you do not support Obama you shall be marked for all to know, a reverse mark of the beast almost..

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_594853.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D940EL380&show_article=1

this is a bad sign for all of us who are not on the Obama bandwagon, especially if this new trend continues of facial mutilation for everyone not in support of Obama.

I am worried.

[booster11373]

I live in New York City (home to the Elites according to Sen. McCain). What's a presidential ad?

This why I really want to abolish the Electoral college, Candidates only campaign in a select few states which is nonsense

For a Republican in New York why bother vote for president the state is blue vice versa for a Democrat in Texas, its different for local elections I know

But fuck it its time for the President to be elected by popular vote, that way we get

50 STATES 50 DEBATES

[star queen]

"B" for Bitch because she only had $60

[spoon]

What a stupid lead in Jezo. Reverse mark of the beast....REALLY?! Now he's the anti-chirst party candidate and we're all on the ac bandwagon huh. It's a good thing actual policy is always at the crux of your debate.

[patsopinion]

good

[yojimbo7248]

Yes, there will be systematic face mutilations on those who resist the warm embrace of Our Dark Lord, Obama. This will be conducted by the Honorable Obama Secret Police (HOSP) once we claim power in January. One of our minions clearly jumped the gun with this B incident.

[Tall_James]

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[Don Stugots]

good

then we can see them coming.

[sailor]

i'm afraid of the anti-chirst

[booster11373]

HMMM........... somebody hasn't been reading the thread

[IamFogHat]

I am worried.

No you're not, you goose.

[LordJezo]

No you're not, you goose.

As pretty much the furthest right wing lunatic on this message board this event tells me that I will soon be beaten in the streets and scarred for my conservative thought. Public thrashings like this of similar thinkers is a bad sign for a big part of this country.

[mikeyboy]

As pretty much the furthest right wing lunatic on this message board this event tells me that I will soon be beaten in the streets and scarred for my conservative thought. Public thrashings like this of similar thinkers is a bad sign for a big part of this country.

I tire of your retarded shock threads.

[sailor]

I tire of your retarded shock threads.

your merge lends legitimacy, tho'

[albo60s]

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Ok Ron, you convinced me. Im ready for a change. Lets change Andy Griffith's diaper!!!!!!
What kind of idiot makes a decision on how to vote for president, based on what some Hollywood comedian, rapper, popular singer or radio host thinks????? Mindless!
Patriots fought & died for your right to vote, people through the decades sacrificed to build our nation, my vote is as valuble as anyone elses, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, anyone. Yet some people take this precious right & let popular cultural figures decide for them!!!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!

[HBox]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

[mikeyboy]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

Heh. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Downey_Jr.)

In 1989, as fascination with Downey's TV show began to wane, he was involved in an incident in a San Francisco International Airport restroom in which he claimed to have been attacked by neo-Nazis who painted a swastika on his face and attempted to shave his head. Some inconsistencies in Downey's account (e.g., the swastika was painted in reverse, suggesting that Downey had drawn it himself in a mirror), and the failure of the police to find supportive evidence, led many to suspect that the incident was a hoax and a plea for attention.[9] A few months later, the show was canceled.[9] Years later, during an appearance on The Howard Stern Show, Downey admitted that he had orchestrated the entire "attack" -- even shaving the front of his own head in the desperate effort to save his show from cancellation, by its syndicator, MCA.

[Don Stugots]

i miss Morton Downey.

[booster11373]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

Dyslexia? or raiders from Earth 2 both are possible

[KnoxHarrington]

One of the things Obama detractors have kept saying about his campaign is "Yeah, but will people turn out?" Since so much of his campaign seems to be pitched at groups that have had histories of not turning out -- most notably young voters, and black voters -- the doubters have been out in force.

Judging by early voting, however, at least one group Obama needs to turn out seems to be coming through. Reports are that the black vote is extremely strong in areas with early voters, with turnout well above their demographic representation.

• In North Carolina, blacks make up 31 percent of early voters so far, even though they're just 21 percent of the population and made up only 19 percent of state's overall 2004 vote.

• Roughly 36 percent of the early voters are black in Georgia, outpacing their 30 percent proportion of the state's population and their 25 percent share of the 2004 vote.

No one but the voters can be sure how they voted. And John McCain's campaign officials note that the Obama camp has put much more effort than they have into early voting. But the numbers are still notable.

Democrats are outvoting the GOP by a margin of 2.5-to-1 in North Carolina, where early voting has been under way for a week. That's roughly double the margin from 2004.

More than 210,000 blacks who are registered as Democrats have cast early ballots in the Tar Heel State — compared with roughly 174,000 registered Republicans overall. Four years ago, the number of GOP early and absentee voters was more than double that of black Democrats.

Here's why I think Obama will pull this out in the end: his voters are voting for him. They want him to be President. McCain is depending on people he can frighten into voting against Obama. I hope that Obama's way is better. I hope. I hope.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/early_voting

[epo]

Andrew Sullivan posted this video today with the caption "Why Obama is winning."

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Compare to that to Senator McCain and you can see why people from across the spectrum are drawn to him as a politician.

[drusilla]

i dunno if this link has been posted yet cause i dont feel like reading through 60 pages but here's a link for something wacky:

http://yeswecarve.com/

[HBox]

Andrew Sullivan posted this video today with the caption "Why Obama is winning."

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Compare to that to Senator McCain and you can see why people from across the spectrum are drawn to him as a politician.

Ah, I recognize that. That's like Skynnard breaking out Freebird.

[brettmojo]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

Heh. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morton_Downey_Jr.)
I can't wait for the story about McCain's daughter and Palin's daughter claiming Barack raped them... Then finding out that they colluded with each other to try and get back at him for kicking their asses to the curb for Michelle Obama... Turning out that McCain's daughter planed the whole thing and then Barack files a lawsuit against Cindy McCain for pain and anguish and Cindy McCain has to break her daughter's trust to pay off Barack and then it turns out that they were all in on it to screw Cindy McCain out of her ketchup money and Bill Murray set up the whole thing.

[epo]

Ah, I recognize that. That's like Skynnard breaking out Freebird.

And a drunken Fez claiming that "the South will rise again!"

[epo]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

According to the story a B was carved into her face at 9pm on Wednesday.

Let me say two things:

1. There is no way in fuck a carved letter would look that clean less than 24 hours later.
2. There is no way in fuck a carved letter would come out clean on an assaulted victim.

The fringe people in that group must be desperate as fuck.

[epo]

Former Bush aide Scott McClellan supporting Obama: (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/former-bush-aide-voting-for-obama/)

Scott McClellan, the former White House press secretary who sharply criticized President Bush in his memoir last spring, told CNN Thursday he's voting for Barack Obama.

McClellan (a talented pr man, but still a scumbag) is the latest to jump off the dying GOP machine.

[scottinnj]

According to the story a B was carved into her face at 9pm on Wednesday.

Let me say two things:

1. There is no way in fuck a carved letter would look that clean less than 24 hours later.
2. There is no way in fuck a carved letter would come out clean on an assaulted victim.

The fringe people in that group must be desperate as fuck.

Who is that? And why is she beaten? I missed the whole thing, but from some of the posters, I'm assuming you heartless bastards are laughing at a poor defenseless republican.

[epo]

Who is that? And why is she beaten? I missed the whole thing, but from some of the posters, I'm assuming you heartless bastards are laughing at a poor defenseless republican.

Making fun of a crazy person and also Lord Jezo. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1920316&postcount=1507)

[scottinnj]

Former Bush aide Scott McClellan supporting Obama: (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/former-bush-aide-voting-for-obama/)


McClellan (a talented pr man, but still a scumbag) is the latest to jump off the dying GOP machine.

McClellan is a sap-he got used by the Bush Administration, his "retaliation" by writing that book was pathetic and now he endorses Obama.

Yeech!

[epo]

McClellan is a sap-he got used by the Bush Administration, his "retaliation" by writing that book was pathetic and now he endorses Obama.

Yeech!

Agreed about McClellan. I do think he's a talented guy, but obviously they used him up.

I honestly don't think the endorsement matters...but for the example of even ex-Bushies getting off the GOP machine.

[mikeyboy]

Making fun of a crazy person and also Lord Jezo. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1920316&postcount=1507)

same thing

[IMSlacker]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

She should have scratched an "O" onto her cheek, then at least she wouldn't have to worry about getting it backwards.

[LordJezo]

I tire of your retarded shock threads.

Shock?

It's the fate of the world we are talking about and the liberal bias against conservatives is now turning violent and the oppression has already begun.

What's next? Arm bands and tattoos? There are a lot of people out there scared of what will happen when Obama is installed by the elites in the coming months.

[foodcourtdruide]

Shock?

It's the fate of the world we are talking about and the liberal bias against conservatives is now turning violent and the oppression has already begun.

What's next? Arm bands and tattoos? There are a lot of people out there scared of what will happen when Obama is installed by the elites in the coming months.

You don't really believe this, do you?

[yojimbo7248]

Shock?

It's the fate of the world we are talking about and the liberal bias against conservatives is now turning violent and the oppression has already begun.

What's next? Arm bands and tattoos? There are a lot of people out there scared of what will happen when Obama is installed by the elites in the coming months.

Oh man, now I get it. You are a board character or pretending to be a right wing, frothing at the mouth white guy. I'm still trying to get used to telling the difference between real opinions and sarcasm/satire on ronfez.net. White Christian conservatives have had a ridiculous amount of power in this country since its founding but even more over the last eight years. White Christian conservative men especially have to be one of the least oppressed groups in history anywhere. I will buy economic oppression as a valid argument for poor white men but then that takes away the whole "conservatives are oppressed argument" because oppression would be based on class, not ideology, color, or gender.

[LordJezo]

You don't really believe this, do you?

Maybe not the arm bands thing (well, not too much, but it is possible) but the Obama installation is pretty much a given with the support that the media and most of the elites has of him and that there is no free choice in elections.

Obama is going to fully support everything the New World Order wants including the eventual introduction of the North American currency (destruction of the dollar) and helping to pave the way for a one world government.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335572/pg1

I have heard things that Obama is being installed in order to make the oppression of the blacks easier (with one in charge it will be easier on them to be brought down over a "white devil" leading the country) and help get the population under control. This topic hasn't been brought up much but could be credible, it makes sense.

It's a shame that we don't get to elect a president but oh well, its the way it has always been.

[Jujubees2]

Shock?

It's the fate of the world we are talking about and the liberal bias against conservatives is now turning violent and the oppression has already begun.

What's next? Arm bands and tattoos? There are a lot of people out there scared of what will happen when Obama is installed by the elites in the coming months.

Who are these "elites" you speak of? Are they the people who live in Washington, DC and New York City as John McCain believes?

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[Jujubees2]

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Why would someone carve a B backwards in her face? And why would she refuse medical care?

The answer is pretty obvious.

Because she was looking in a mirror when she did it?

[angrymissy]

And such a perfect, non jagged backwards B. The police are going to administer a polygraph because she gave multiple accounts of what happened.

Also, her perfect Twitter page that said "OH HAI GUYS I'M LOOKING FOR AN ATM" "OH NOES IT LOOKS LIKE I'M ON THE WRONG SIDE OF TOWN"

You know it's bad when:

EVEN MICHELLE MALKIN THINKS IT'S FAKE (http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/23/why-that-mccain-volunteers-mutilation-story-smells-awfully-weird/)

[Knowledged_one]

Did anyone see the stat that on Late Night Talk Shows that McCain jokes outnumber Obama jokes by a 7-1 ratio?

I guess its racist if you make fun of black people but not white people, SNL does a skit with the stupid mccain supporter (the woman who said she read that obama was an arab and i agree that woman is a moron) but its no different then the black people who say that McCain hates blacks at Obama rally's

This is why America sucks that you have to put on kid gloves about Obama because hes black and people dont want to be seen as racist

[NickyL0885]

anyone see this republican asshole with David Shuester on msnbc yesterday? saying Obama using his campaign plane and funds from people to go visit his ill grandma is worse then sarah palin using $150,000 on clothes. He said its outrages. The balls on this guy!

[angrymissy]

anyone see this republican asshole with David Shuester on msnbc yesterday? saying Obama using his campaign plane and funds from people to go visit his ill grandma is worse then sarah palin using $150,000 on clothes. He said its outrages. The balls on this guy!

Did he? He shouldn't have used the campaign plane to visit his Grandma... unless he's going to do campaign related things in HI. I'm an Obama supporter too.

[HBox]

Did he? He shouldn't have used the campaign plane to visit his Grandma... unless he's going to do campaign related things in HI. I'm an Obama supporter too.

It's probably his only option. he can't take over a commercial flight with his Secret Service detail and he's not rich enough without his campaign funds to0 rent a private plane.

[angrymissy]

It's probably his only option. he can't take over a commercial flight with his Secret Service detail and he's not rich enough without his campaign funds to0 rent a private plane.

That's true. Didn't think about the gigantor Secret Service detail he's probably got.

[celery]

Maybe not the arm bands thing (well, not too much, but it is possible) but the Obama installation is pretty much a given with the support that the media and most of the elites has of him and that there is no free choice in elections.

Obama is going to fully support everything the New World Order wants including the eventual introduction of the North American currency (destruction of the dollar) and helping to pave the way for a one world government.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335572/pg1

I have heard things that Obama is being installed in order to make the oppression of the blacks easier (with one in charge it will be easier on them to be brought down over a "white devil" leading the country) and help get the population under control. This topic hasn't been brought up much but could be credible, it makes sense.

It's a shame that we don't get to elect a president but oh well, its the way it has always been.

Honestly, if you believe Revelations and a literal interpretation of the Bible, doesn't it lead the way for the second coming and we'll all be saved anyways?

[Zorro]

anyone see this republican asshole with David Shuester on msnbc yesterday? saying Obama using his campaign plane and funds from people to go visit his ill grandma is worse then sarah palin using $150,000 on clothes. He said its outrages. The balls on this guy!

Republican? David Schuster.... you gotta be kidding. His support of Obama got him in trouble with the Clintons and suspended for two weeks by MSNBC. He was the guy Scarborough went after for being a Dem shill that caused all the brouhaha and a realignment of duties. Hell he was even non-renewed at Fox because of his leftward leanings.

[HBox]

Republican? David Schuster.... you gotta be kidding. His support of Obama got him in trouble with the Clintons and suspended for two weeks by MSNBC. He was the guy Scarborough went after for being a Dem shill that caused all the brouhaha and a realignment of duties. Hell he was even non-renewed at Fox because of his leftward leanings.

anyone see this republican asshole with David Shuester on msnbc yesterday? saying Obama using his campaign plane and funds from people to go visit his ill grandma is worse then sarah palin using $150,000 on clothes. He said its outrages. The balls on this guy!

Missed a word there.

[TheMojoPin]

Did anyone see the stat that on Late Night Talk Shows that McCain jokes outnumber Obama jokes by a 7-1 ratio?

I guess its racist if you make fun of black people but not white people, SNL does a skit with the stupid mccain supporter (the woman who said she read that obama was an arab and i agree that woman is a moron) but its no different then the black people who say that McCain hates blacks at Obama rally's

This is why America sucks that you have to put on kid gloves about Obama because hes black and people dont want to be seen as racist

Or it's just easier to make fun of the candidate that's turned into a rambling, nonsensical old coot with a walking joke of a running mate and most comedy writers are inherrently lazy.

[booster11373]

Shock?

What's next? Arm bands and tattoos? There are a lot of people out there scared of what will happen when Obama is installed by the elites in the coming months.


Could it be any worse then Bush who was also installed by elites 8 years ago?

[celery]

Did anyone see the stat that on Late Night Talk Shows that McCain jokes outnumber Obama jokes by a 7-1 ratio?

I guess its racist if you make fun of black people but not white people, SNL does a skit with the stupid mccain supporter (the woman who said she read that obama was an arab and i agree that woman is a moron) but its no different then the black people who say that McCain hates blacks at Obama rally's

This is why America sucks that you have to put on kid gloves about Obama because hes black and people dont want to be seen as racist

Sure, the media never makes fun of black people.

http://theblacksentinel.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/oj_simpson_narrowweb__300x4720.jpg

Leno pretty much based his whole show around this guy for a while.

[booster11373]

Did anyone see the stat that on Late Night Talk Shows that McCain jokes outnumber Obama jokes by a 7-1 ratio?

I guess its racist if you make fun of black people but not white people, SNL does a skit with the stupid mccain supporter (the woman who said she read that obama was an arab and i agree that woman is a moron) but its no different then the black people who say that McCain hates blacks at Obama rally's

This is why America sucks that you have to put on kid gloves about Obama because hes black and people dont want to be seen as racist

are you aware of American history with regard to treatment of Blacks in this country? Minstrel shows, Amos and Andy, horrible black stereotypes portrayed in film until relatively recently. Are you aware that things things still influence how a lot of people feel about blacks even to this day

[rob126]

Did anyone see the stat that on Late Night Talk Shows that McCain jokes outnumber Obama jokes by a 7-1 ratio?

I guess its racist if you make fun of black people but not white people, SNL does a skit with the stupid mccain supporter (the woman who said she read that obama was an arab and i agree that woman is a moron) but its no different then the black people who say that McCain hates blacks at Obama rally's

This is why America sucks that you have to put on kid gloves about Obama because hes black and people dont want to be seen as racist

What jokes about McCain have you heard that are racist ? Race has nothing to do with it .

America sucks because you think there aren't enough jokes about Obama ? Yeah ........ that's our problem . Forget the economy and the war. It's the lack of Obama jokes stupid !

[LordJezo]

Honestly, if you believe Revelations and a literal interpretation of the Bible, doesn't it lead the way for the second coming and we'll all be saved anyways?

Well, you folks wont be, but people like me who has accepted Jesus as Lord and savior will. So I guess that is a positive spin to put on things.

[yojimbo7248]

I think Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher, etc. would have loved to make fun of Obama more but he is hard to ridicule. The Daily Show tried to mock his messiah status but it wasn't that funny. I don't think this is from fear of being un-pc but rather Obama isn't that great of a target. Imagine by some miracle, Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson would have been the Democratic presidential candidate. Comedians would be tearing either of them to shreds.

[Knowledged_one]

are you aware of American history with regard to treatment of Blacks in this country? Minstrel shows, Amos and Andy, horrible black stereotypes portrayed in film until relatively recently. Are you aware that things things still influence how a lot of people feel about blacks even to this day

Really i wasnt aware of that, is their documented evidence because that just sounds made up.

And i notice every single person here ignored the comments that blacks make about McCain and how hes just an old racist because thats ok right?

[Knowledged_one]

What jokes about McCain have you heard that are racist ? Race has nothing to do with it .

America sucks because you think there aren't enough jokes about Obama ? Yeah ........ that's our problem . Forget the economy and the war. It's the lack of Obama jokes stupid !

No america sucks because they dont treat the canidates fairly, 90% of media/entertainment is against McCain and thats been clearly evident on every Thursday SNL that has been running. No talk about Obama and his visiting the 57 states, or the Obama flubs when his teleprompter went down. Or no questioning on just how Obama will pay for all of his health care initiatives etc etc

[TheMojoPin]

Really i wasnt aware of that, is their documented evidence because that just sounds made up.

And i notice every single person here ignored the comments that blacks make about McCain and how hes just an old racist because thats ok right?

And there's people saying Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist or even the Antichrist. There's always people jumping to extremes. I don't know why "blacks" are the issue like you put it since not all black people share that opinion, nor is it only black people who have that opinion.

[Knowledged_one]

Could it be any worse then Bush who was also installed by elites 8 years ago?

And how is that? How was he "installed" that is an incredibly ignorant statement

[booster11373]

No america sucks because they dont treat the canidates fairly, 90% of media/entertainment is against McCain and thats been clearly evident on every Thursday SNL that has been running. No talk about Obama and his visiting the 57 states, or the Obama flubs when his teleprompter went down. Or no questioning on just how Obama will pay for all of his health care initiatives etc etc

The same 90% who let Bush get away with all his shit for the last 8 years?

[Knowledged_one]

And there's people saying Obama is a secret Muslim terrorist or even the Antichrist. There's always people jumping to extremes. I don't know why "blacks" are the issue like you put it since not all black people share that opinion, nor is it only black people who have that opinion.

but those people are the ones that are lampooned and made fun of while the racist blacks are ignored.

Look im not even talking William Ayers stuff, i know that Obama isnt a terrorist nor would he do anything to endanger america thats relevant. The guy is an american and would serve to the best interests of Americans as far as that goes.

But the fact that the media doesnt highlight his extremeist supporters is a joke

[booster11373]

And how is that? How was he "installed" that is an incredibly ignorant statement

Bush Vs. Gore, you should look in to it

[Knowledged_one]

The same 90% who let Bush get away with all his shit for the last 8 years?

Get away with what shit over 8 years?

[TheMojoPin]

No america sucks because they dont treat the canidates fairly, 90% of media/entertainment is against McCain and thats been clearly evident on every Thursday SNL that has been running. No talk about Obama and his visiting the 57 states, or the Obama flubs when his teleprompter went down. Or no questioning on just how Obama will pay for all of his health care initiatives etc etc

Obama has run a remarkably tight campaign in that regard...he simply hasn't given people a lot to work with in going after him, and that's a large reason why he has the lead that he does. It's not a accident...this campaign has been run like a machine.

I am baffled as to why people think nobody jokes about Democrats. Clinton was a goddamn comedic goldmine that basically every comedian and late night show rode hard for 8 years, then Hillary picked up the torch. John Kerry was and is a walking joke. Howard Dean was mocked mercilessly. Dukakis was essentialy nothing but a punchline. The "media" happily feasted on how ridiculous those guys were and their screwups because they screwed up HUGE and/or over and over again. Obama hasn't done that. McCain and Plain are over the barrel right now because their campaign is essentially a giant disaster and the jokes basically write themselves, much like the Democratic candidates found over the last 20 years.

[Knowledged_one]

Bush Vs. Gore, you should look in to it

He won the electoral vote how is that not clear to you

Seriously explain your points

[Knowledged_one]

Obama has run a remarkably tight campaign in that regard...he simply hasn't given people a lot to work with in going after him, and that's a large reason why he has the lead that he does. It's not a accident...this campaign has been run like a machine.

I am baffled as to why people think nobody jokes about Democrats. Clinton was a goddamn comedic goldmine that basically every comedian and late night show rode hard for 8 years, then Hillary picked up the torch. John Kerry was and is a walking joke. Howard Dean was mocked mercilessly. Dukakis was essentialy nothing but a punchline. The "media" happily feasted on how ridiculous those guys were and their screwups because they screwed up HUGE and/or over and over again. Obama hasn't done that.

I understand that, but when news orgs highlight the idiots in the McCain rally's but dont at the obama rally's thats patently unequal treatment.

[booster11373]

He won the electoral vote how is that not clear to you

Seriously explain your points

Thanks to his Brother and the Florida Supreme court

[epo]

No america sucks because they dont treat the canidates fairly, 90% of media/entertainment is against McCain and thats been clearly evident on every Thursday SNL that has been running. No talk about Obama and his visiting the 57 states, or the Obama flubs when his teleprompter went down. Or no questioning on just how Obama will pay for all of his health care initiatives etc etc

Isn't the number one rule of comedy supposed to be "making funny"? And isn't protecting the status quo inheritantly not funny?

What's funnier territory for a comedian....making fun of McCain darting around the nation like a buffoon when "suspending" his campaign for the bailout...or Obama staying cool during the situation?

Comedy involves hyperbole...and when you offer an easy target, expect them to shoot the target you've provided.

[TheMojoPin]

but those people are the ones that are lampooned and made fun of while the racist blacks are ignored.

Look im not even talking William Ayers stuff, i know that Obama isnt a terrorist nor would he do anything to endanger america thats relevant. The guy is an american and would serve to the best interests of Americans as far as that goes.

But the fact that the media doesnt highlight his extremeist supporters is a joke

Who is "highlighting" the extremist conservatives any moreso? If you're talking about the rally atmosphere and comments made there, do you honestly believe the same stuff is going down at the ones for Obama as the ones for Palin (and to a lesser extent, McCain) and the press is willfully ignoring it?

Nonsense.

What's ignored in the studies that say McCain's press is more negative by and large is that those studies also find Obama also receives a majority of "negative" or critical press in contrast to "positive" press. Yes, he has received less negative press than McCain, but it's not like he's receiving positie press in contrast to McCain. McCain is getting more bad press because his campain is a scatershot disaster running under the banner of the party that's been in power for the last 8 years than the majority of America looks at negatively. It's just logical that the person in that situation is gonna be looked at more negatively.

[TheMojoPin]

I understand that, but when news orgs highlight the idiots in the McCain rally's but dont at the obama rally's thats patently unequal treatment.

There's been overwhelmingly more instances of extremist rhetoric at the McCain/Palin rallies than at the Obama rallies. The coverage isn't equal because it's not happening equally. Not even close.

[Zorro]

Missed a word there.

Fuck...that's what I get for buying reading glasses at the 99 cent store

[Knowledged_one]

There's been overwhelmingly more instances of extremist rhetoric at the McCain/Palin rallies than at the Obama rallies. The coverage isn't equal because it's not happening equally. Not even close.

Look i beg to differ, as i have seen it on the highlights of the local news here in Ohio, you see it one way i see it differently and thats fine. There are definetly more hayseeds that go to the McCain rally's thats obviously true.

[Knowledged_one]

Thanks to his Brother and the Florida Supreme court

But yet you forget to include the US Supreme Court which also shot down Gore

Nice selective memory there

[epo]

But yet you forget to include the US Supreme Court which also shot down Gore

Nice selective memory there

Why do I seem to remember that the Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore and the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush?

[TheMojoPin]

Look i beg to differ, as i have seen it on the highlights of the local news here in Ohio, you see it one way i see it differently and thats fine. There are definetly more hayseeds that go to the McCain rally's thats obviously true.

The main thing I disagree with is the idea that the media would ignore similar behavior (or a similar volume of such behavior) for Obama. Obama's relatively clean campaign would make a scandal, any scandal, big news. Scandal = ratings. It makes no sense that any news organization would willingly ignore any kind of significant scandal or ugliness with the Obama campaign, especilly given how they jumped on stuff like Rev. Wright and milked it for all it's worth. "The media" wants juicy news...playing nice with Obama and willfully suppressing such stories about his campaign runs completely counter to that and actually hurts them in the long run.

[JerseySean]

There's been overwhelmingly more instances of extremist rhetoric at the McCain/Palin rallies than at the Obama rallies. The coverage isn't equal because it's not happening equally. Not even close.
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

Bullshit

[JerseySean]

Why do I seem to remember that the Florida Supreme Court ruled in favor of Gore and the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of Bush?

Florida Supreme Court was a liberal activist court who explored the idea of a re-vote in Florida. They were not a credible court.

[angrymissy]

Really i wasnt aware of that, is their documented evidence because that just sounds made up.

And i notice every single person here ignored the comments that blacks make about McCain and how hes just an old racist because thats ok right?

http://static.baseballtoaster.com/blogs/u/cardboardgods/2007/1016/0002/minstrel_1__360.jpg
http://www.radiorevisited.com/images/sets/AMOS%20&%20ANDY-7CD8.jpg

[JerseySean]

The main thing I disagree with is the idea that the media would ignore similar behavior (or a similar volume of such behavior) for Obama. Obama's relatively clean campaign would make a scandal, any scandal, big news. Scandal = ratings. It makes no sense that any news organization would willingly ignore any kind of significant scandal or ugliness with the Obama campaign, especilly given how they jumped on stuff like Rev. Wright and milked it for all it's worth. "The media" wants juicy news...playing nice with Obama and willfully suppressing such stories about his campaign runs completely counter to that and actually hurts them in the long run.
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

I dont know if this is true of false but if a white man cut a "J" in a black girls face for supporting obama, there would have been RIOTS and the media would be talking about nothing else. Stop it. the media loves Obama and has from the start.

[angrymissy]

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

I dont know if this is true of false but if a white man cut a "J" in a black girls face for supporting obama, there would have been RIOTS and the media would be talking about nothing else. Stop it. the media loves Obama and has from the start.

Nice racial stereotyping there. Those blacks just can't control themselves, right?

Guess what, she's full of shit. They had her take a polygraph, the B is backwards, she now changed her story and said she doesn't remember being cut, and the ATM footage and her bank records show she wasn't at that ATM. Once they told her that, she said she was attacked on a side street walking away and she must have not taken money out, he just robbed her of the cash she already had. Her story is collapsing more and more every hour.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iidrMKZwVNDDlEtkssY6t1xxhg9QD940VEM01

[Knowledged_one]

http://static.baseballtoaster.com/blogs/u/cardboardgods/2007/1016/0002/minstrel_1__360.jpg
http://www.radiorevisited.com/images/sets/AMOS%20&%20ANDY-7CD8.jpg

But i guess no problem here in 2006

http://www.lafm.com/White%20chicks.jpg

[epo]

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17789356/detail.html

I dont know if this is true of false but if a white man cut a "J" in a black girls face for supporting obama, there would have been RIOTS and the media would be talking about nothing else. Stop it. the media loves Obama and has from the start.

The national media needs credibility in their sexy stories. This story is not credible...hence their non-coverage.

Blaming the media's "Obama bias" on your part chips away at the credibility of your core argument.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

Bullshit

But that's one story, and nowhere was I hinging my point on it or did I even mention it. McCain himself has had to stop a woman from calling Obama a Muslim terrorist. That's hardly "bullshit."

[epo]

Florida Supreme Court was a liberal activist court who explored the idea of a re-vote in Florida. They were not a credible court.

This over-the-top rhetoric is making you look like a crazy person.

[TheMojoPin]

Florida Supreme Court was a liberal activist court who explored the idea of a re-vote in Florida. They were not a credible court.

Not a "credible court?" Because their political opinions differ from yours?

[TheMojoPin]

But i guess no problem here in 2006

http://www.lafm.com/White%20chicks.jpg

At least all were terribly unfunny.

Though it's pretty easy to see the difference between entertainment designed to degrade and dehumanize an entire race of people and a shitty movie that makes fun of sorority girls.

The continuing desire for some whites to want to be as "persecuted" as minorities is really baffling to me. We should be reveling that we've been in the position forever in this country where something like White Girls means shit to us. Why anyone would basically "want" it to be as bad as minstrel shows makes zero sense to me.

[angrymissy]

At least all were terribly unfunny.

Though it's pretty easy to see the difference between entertainment designed to degrade and dehumanize an entire race of people and a shitty movie that makes fun of sorority girls.

The continuing desire for some whites to want to be as "persecuted" as minorities is really baffling to me. We should be reveling that we've been in the position forever in this country where something like White Girls means shit to us. Why anyone would basically "want" it to be as bad as minstrel shows makes zero sense to me.

I don't care what you say, this will always make me laugh

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[TheMojoPin]

I don't care what you say, this will always make me laugh

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That dude was the best president of all time:

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[Knowledged_one]

At least all were terribly unfunny.

Though it's pretty easy to see the difference between entertainment designed to degrade and dehumanize an entire race of people and a shitty movie that makes fun of sorority girls.

The continuing desire for some whites to want to be as "persecuted" as minorities is really baffling to me. We should be reveling that we've been in the position forever in this country where something like White Girls means shit to us. Why anyone would basically "want" it to be as bad as minstrel shows makes zero sense to me.

Trust me all I am saying is that we should be at a point where its ok to joke about one race or another without being deemed as a racist, and i think that guys like Leno and Letterman are afraid to do that less they be regarded as racist, so they go with the quick easy and make fun of McCain or Palin or even to a lesser extent Biden

And black face in the 40's just as unfunny as the Wayans as in White Chicks in the 2000's

Hell go back and watch the Bad News Bears where this line is said:

All we got on this team are a buncha Jews, spics, niggers, pansies, and a booger-eatin' moron!

That line could never be said in this day and age and to me thats a joke that we have as a society as a whole so scared to not be thought of as PC

**Edit** - Missy & Mojo what clips do you all have up (my work blocks any kind of streaming media and i am curious)

[rob126]

Don't you people understand ? McCain isn't trailing Obama because of anything the republicans have done or have failed to do, it's the liberal medias fault. Oh , how unfair it all is. Damn those media elitists who won't make fun of a black man for fear of being called racist. Don't they want 4 more years of failed republican policies ?

[Knowledged_one]

Don't you people understand ? McCain isn't trailing Obama because of anything the republicans have done or have failed to do, it's the liberal medias fault. Oh , how unfair it all is. Damn those media elitists who won't make fun of a black man for fear of being called racist. Don't they want 4 more years of failed republican policies ?

Just remind me real quick who is it that has been in the majority of the Senate and House for the last 22 months?

[spadanko]

http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/political-pictures-barack-obama-chill-out-got-this.jpg

[epo]

Just remind me real quick who is it that has been in the majority of the Senate and House for the last 22 months?

And those 22 months destroyed America?

It's a weak argument when the Congress is only 1/3 of the equation of our federal government.

[TheMojoPin]

And those 22 months destroyed America?

It's a weak argument when the Congress is only 1/3 of the equation of our federal government.

And they barely have the majority. This isn't like the Republicans in the 90's.

I'm not defending the Democratic congress as anything impressive, but it's a continual false point for people to act like they've just sat on their hands when they don't really have enough of a majority to get anything done and a Republican president waiting to squash or hold up anything significant.

[JerseySean]

Nice racial stereotyping there. Those blacks just can't control themselves, right?

Guess what, she's full of shit. They had her take a polygraph, the B is backwards, she now changed her story and said she doesn't remember being cut, and the ATM footage and her bank records show she wasn't at that ATM. Once they told her that, she said she was attacked on a side street walking away and she must have not taken money out, he just robbed her of the cash she already had. Her story is collapsing more and more every hour.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iidrMKZwVNDDlEtkssY6t1xxhg9QD940VEM01

Im not saying its true or untrue. Im just saying that if it was the other way, it would have been the biggest story of the year last night.

[booster11373]

Im not saying its true or untrue. Im just saying that if it was the other way, it would have been the biggest story of the year last night.

People love to make that comparison and yet it never happens

[rob126]

Just remind me real quick who is it that has been in the majority of the Senate and House for the last 22 months?

That is a tired and weak argument. Are you saying that the mess we are in now is the democrats fault ? There is plenty of blame to go around, but to even imply that the republicans weren't the major cause of this recession is slanting things more than the media you say is so unfair .

[TheMojoPin]

**Edit** - Missy & Mojo what clips do you all have up (my work blocks any kind of streaming media and i am curious)

Missy has a clip from WG of Terry Crews singing along to Michelle Branch and I posted his scene addressing congress as the president in Idiocracy.

[JerseySean]

People love to make that comparison and yet it never happens

Jena 6 anyone? Pat Buchanan has a chapter in one of his books which documents racial media bias intimately. Bernard Goldberg has the same.

[TheMojoPin]

Jena 6 anyone? Pat Buchanan has a chapter in one of his books which documents racial media bias intimately. Bernard Goldberg has the same.

Oh, well, NOW I'm convinced.

[Knowledged_one]

And those 22 months destroyed America?

It's a weak argument when the Congress is only 1/3 of the equation of our federal government.

Im sorry where did i say those 22 months destroyed america? All i was saying in response is that its not like everyone is innocent in what has happened in the last 8 years. But there is truth to the fact that in the midterm elections the democrats promised they would get their policies enacted and that has been patently false since they took power in Jan. 2007

[angrymissy]

Jena 6 anyone?

I didn't seem to see rioting with Jena 6... I though attacks against black people = instant riots?

This "attack" has been all over the news, in case you didn't notice, Drudge started it off with his gigantic bold headline MCCAIN WORKER MUTILATED!

[TheMojoPin]

Im sorry where did i say those 22 months destroyed america? All i was saying in response is that its not like everyone is innocent in what has happened in the last 8 years. But there is truth to the fact that in the midterm elections the democrats promised they would get their policies enacted and that has been patently false since they took power in Jan. 2007

See my post at the end of the last page. They don't have the numbers to get signiicant legislation through with a Republican president in office.

[rob126]

Jena 6 anyone? Pat Buchanan has a chapter in one of his books which documents racial media bias intimately. Bernard Goldberg has the same.

You could write a whole book about the racial bias that Pat Buchanan has shown in the past. People in glass houses .....

[Knowledged_one]

See my post at the end of the last page. They don't have the numbers to get signiicant legislation through with a Republican president in office.

Then would you agree that they basically ran a campaign of lies saying they would get things done as the majority? Or did they just not win enough seats to follow through

[rob126]

Im sorry where did i say those 22 months destroyed america? All i was saying in response is that its not like everyone is innocent in what has happened in the last 8 years. But there is truth to the fact that in the midterm elections the democrats promised they would get their policies enacted and that has been patently false since they took power in Jan. 2007

I agree that nobody is totally innocent in all this , but it seems that nobody will address what there own party's failings are. I'm guilty of this most of the time too. You are doing what you have criticized other people for.

You attacked Epo in the McCain thread for posting things you think aren't important or that you didn't agree with . You won't change any minds here either, so what is the point ? Feel better about yourself ?

[epo]

Then would you agree that they basically ran a campaign of lies saying they would get things done as the majority? Or did they just not win enough seats to follow through

While they did run on the "we'll stop Bush" shit in 2006, they simply don't have enough of a majority to truly do anything. The Senate Democratic Caucus is a joke, as it's 51-49 situation with Lieberman caucusing with the Democrats.

[Knowledged_one]

I agree that nobody is totally innocent in all this , but it seems that nobody will address what there own party's failings are. I'm guilty of this most of the time too. You are doing what you have criticized other people for.

You attacked Epo in the McCain thread for posting things you think aren't important or that you didn't agree with . You won't change any minds here either, so what is the point ? Feel better about yourself ?

actually yes i do feel much better about myself, and i definetly respect epo for his point of view although i dont agree with it, but at times i do think he posts nonsense drivel about repubs just to poing things out

You i have no respect for as you dont seem to put much into your responses but throwing out buzz party talking points

[JerseySean]

I didn't seem to see rioting with Jena 6... I though attacks against black people = instant riots?

This "attack" has been all over the news, in case you didn't notice, Drudge started it off with his gigantic bold headline MCCAIN WORKER MUTILATED!

And only drudge and local Pittsburgh media

[mikeyboy]

And only drudge and local Pittsburgh media

I just found 63 articles on this on Google news from a variety of sources.

[yojimbo7248]

And only drudge and local Pittsburgh media

Nice to see we can all agree that Drudge is shit.

[HBox]

Insane B-Face girl admits it was all a hoax, will be charged. (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/report_mccain_volunteer_who_cl.php)

Shocking.

[angrymissy]

And only drudge and local Pittsburgh media

It was on CNN, MSNBC, local news here in NY, and ALL OVER Fox all night and AM today.

[mikeyboy]

The bible predicted the mark of the beast but it seems to be that if you do not support Obama you shall be marked for all to know, a reverse mark of the beast almost..

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_594853.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D940EL380&show_article=1

this is a bad sign for all of us who are not on the Obama bandwagon, especially if this new trend continues of facial mutilation for everyone not in support of Obama.

I am worried.


Insane B-Face girl admits it was all a hoax, will be charged. (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/report_mccain_volunteer_who_cl.php)

Shocking.

Does this still scare you Jezo? Are you worried that you'll spontaneously start carving things in your own face?

[Freitag]

Insane B-Face girl admits it was all a hoax, will be charged. (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/report_mccain_volunteer_who_cl.php)

Shocking.

To quote Gregg Hughes, "Who saw this coming?"

[AKA]

go back and watch the Bad News Bears where this line is said:

All we got on this team are a buncha Jews, spics, niggers, pansies, and a booger-eatin' moron!

That line could never be said in this day and age and to me thats a joke that we have as a society as a whole so scared to not be thought of as PC

Really?

Unable to say the word "nigger" in a PG kids movie is really a crippling problem and the root of the downfall of comedy these days?

Really??

[TheMojoPin]

buzz party talking points

Stop making up awesome sound parties. I would kill for a Buzz Party.

[Knowledged_one]

Really?

Unable to say the word "nigger" in a PG kids movie is really a crippling problem and the root of the downfall of comedy these days?

Really??

Way to pick out one word and take it completely out of context, i noticed you had no problem with the word spic though why is that?

So yeah really

[Knowledged_one]

Stop making up awesome sound parties. I would kill for a Buzz Party.

Hosted by Buzz Burbank and Buzz Aldrin

[rob126]

actually yes i do feel much better about myself, and i definetly respect epo for his point of view although i dont agree with it, but at times i do think he posts nonsense drivel about repubs just to poing things out

You i have no respect for as you dont seem to put much into your responses but throwing out buzz party talking points

So you don't like people posting things to prove their point, but you don't like it when people use talking points either. I could post things that defend what I think is right, but would I change your mind ? Your defense of republican policies seems to be to attack the democrats and people who defend them .

Was your saying you have no respect for me supposed to hurt me in some way ? What was the point of that ? I don't know you , and your opinion means nothing to me. That's something a child would say.

[Knowledged_one]

So you don't like people posting things to prove their point, but you don't like it when people use talking points either. I could post things that defend what I think is right, but would I change your mind ? Your defense of republican policies seems to be to attack the democrats and people who defend them .

Was your saying you have no respect for me supposed to hurt me in some way ? What was the point of that ? I don't know you , and your opinion means nothing to me. That's something a child would say.

no not meant to hurt you, just letting you know where i stand as far as you are concerned you mean nothing to me and i dont value your opinion or have any respect for you

[rob126]

no not meant to hurt you, just letting you know where i stand as far as you are concerned you mean nothing to me and i dont value your opinion or have any respect for you

I guess it's a good thing I didn't let you fuck me last night then . Thanks for dinner though.

[celery]

So you don't like people posting things to prove their point, but you don't like it when people use talking points either. I could post things that defend what I think is right, but would I change your mind ? Your defense of republican policies seems to be to attack the democrats and people who defend them .

Was your saying you have no respect for me supposed to hurt me in some way ? What was the point of that ? I don't know you , and your opinion means nothing to me. That's something a child would say.

He also posted this a month ago, http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1877820&postcount=1

So it's really tough to take anything he says seriously.

[Knowledged_one]

I guess it's a good thing I didn't let you fuck me last night then . Thanks for dinner though.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee265/sexypleasurez/ALF.gif

[Knowledged_one]

He also posted this a month ago, http://ronfez.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1877820&postcount=1

So it's really tough to take anything he says seriously.

Im sorry i thought this was america where people could change their minds

so go back to your normal dreck posts

[HBox]

Im sorry i thought this was america where people could change their minds

so go back to your normal dreck posts

http://www.pocopattino.com/shoephotos/Haveana-FlipFlop-Gold.jpg

[booster11373]

Im sorry i thought this was america where people could change their minds

so go back to your normal dreck posts

It could be America but which one the real or the un-real

[LordJezo]

I apologize.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9411R800&show_article=1

Bitch was lying.

[IMSlacker]

I apologize.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9411R800&show_article=1

Bitch was lying.

So then everything's cool? Go Obama!

[LordJezo]

So then everything's cool? Go Obama!

Yup, pretty much. This incident will be used against McCain and has pretty much guaranteed Obama's win.

Sucks for me.

Good thing I bought my shotgun already.

[Reephdweller]

I apologize.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9411R800&show_article=1

Bitch was lying.

I love this part...

She now can't explain why she invented the story, Bryant said. Todd also told police she believes she cut the backward "B" onto her own cheek, but did not provide an explanation of how or why, Bryant said.


She believes she did it? What a moron.

[IMSlacker]

Yup, pretty much. This incident will be used against McCain and has pretty much guaranteed Obama's win.

Sucks for me.

Good thing I bought my shotgun already.

I don't see the Obama campaign using this against McCain. Can't really blame McCain for one nutty campaign worker. It does distract the new media from McCain's message o' the day though.

[yojimbo7248]

Yup, pretty much. This incident will be used against McCain and has pretty much guaranteed Obama's win.

Sucks for me.

Good thing I bought my shotgun already.

I seriously doubt it will be used as by the Obama campaign. There are enough substantial issues to slam McCain on rather than waste time on a disturbed young woman's story. This pathetic incident is just one more piece of evidence showing that Drudge will package any bullshit story as true and both the liberal and conservative media will eat up every ounce of the crap he dishes out.

[ahhdurr]

http://www.pocopattino.com/shoephotos/Haveana-FlipFlop-Gold.jpg

oooh is that a flip or a flop?

[epo]

I don't see the Obama campaign using this against McCain. Can't really blame McCain for one nutty campaign worker. It does distract the new media from McCain's message o' the day though.

I seriously doubt it will be used as by the Obama campaign. There are enough substantial issues to slam McCain on rather than waste time on a disturbed young woman's story. This pathetic incident is just one more piece of evidence showing that Drudge will package any bullshit story as true and both the liberal and conservative media will eat up every ounce of the crap he dishes out.

Exactly.

There is no need for the Obama campaign to push this issue. If the media wants to report it fine, but honestly it should have nothing to do with the race. I've got enough reasons other than a twenty-stupid nutty girl from Texas to dislike McCain.

[celery]

Well, you folks wont be, but people like me who has accepted Jesus as Lord and savior will. So I guess that is a positive spin to put on things.

Yup, pretty much. This incident will be used against McCain and has pretty much guaranteed Obama's win.

Sucks for me.

Good thing I bought my shotgun already.

Jesus loves shotguns.

[yojimbo7248]

Good thing I bought my shotgun already.

Are you afraid Obama will try to take away your shotgun or are you getting ready to fight off the New World Order Army?

[KnoxHarrington]

Are you afraid Obama will try to take away your shotgun or are you getting ready to fight off the New World Order Army?

I'm so sick of the "If Obama loses there will be riots" bullshit. No, there won't be.

It's a pathetic, race-baiting attempt to make it appear Obama's supporters are irrational and nutty. On the heels of this crazy cooze from Texas cutting herself up to try to hurt Obama, that's kind of rich coming from McCain supporters.

[brettmojo]

I'm so sick of the "If Obama loses there will be riots" bullshit. No, there won't be.
I'm Native American and I'll be out there burning down Korean grocers with my negro brethren.

[hammersavage]

I'm white (thank god) and I'll take a magnifying glass and burn some ants at the very least.

[keithy_19]

I'm white (thank god) and I'll take a magnifying glass and burn some ants at the very least.

I pooped a little after reading this. Take that as you want.

[mikeyboy]

I pooped a little after reading this. Take that as you want.

You're an ant?

[torker]

You're an ant?

I think he's a god. Not the God, but a god.

[spoon]

Look i beg to differ, as i have seen it on the highlights of the local news here in Ohio, you see it one way i see it differently and thats fine. There are definetly more hayseeds that go to the McCain rally's thats obviously true.

How would you see it on the news if it isn't covered?

[epo]

How would you see it on the news if it isn't covered?

To be fair Spoon I'll give my experiences. I've attended too many political rallies this year. I've seen Hillary, Barack, Michelle Obama and every other thing you can dub a democratic rally in the Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

From my personal experiences the crowds have been very civil and the rhetorical direction from the candidates has generally been hopeful. That has kept the candidates on point and the crowd in a very positive direction.

I have not attended the Republican rallies in my area but these national incidents happened 20 minutes from my place:

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When a candidate creates an environment for an attitude, a candidate will get that attitude.

By fostering this attitude of "corruption" and "socialism" one will get a feverent crowd.

[K.C.]

They offered a little bit of insight on how things are across enemy lines, on Bill Maher tonight.

He interviewed Allen Raymond, who went to jail for election fraud a few years ago.

Basically the guy said that the McCain campaign will do everything possible to play the race card in the next week or so, from fake Bill Ayers robo calls, to fake robo calls with a militant black sounding guy targeted towards white families, to sabotaging phone systems during election day, to strategically attacking polling places on election day.

He was pretty up front about having done all this type of stuff personally in the past (because he was pimping a book).


Former Bush boy, Matt Dowd was on the show, however, and pretty much said unless Obama does something crazy, nothing McCain's camp does could change this election.

Then he went on to basically say the same thing I've been getting at, with how the Republican Party will be forced to fundamentally change, or splinter, after this election, and that the Bush platform for the party is dead.

[A.J.]

buzz party talking points

Stop making up awesome sound parties. I would kill for a Buzz Party.

They used to have them. They featured absinthe.

http://www.edge1400.com/BuzzWebsite.jpg

[KnoxHarrington]

They offered a little bit of insight on how things are across enemy lines, on Bill Maher tonight.

He interviewed Allen Raymond, who went to jail for election fraud a few years ago.

Basically the guy said that the McCain campaign will do everything possible to play the race card in the next week or so, from fake Bill Ayers robo calls, to fake robo calls with a militant black sounding guy targeted towards white families, to sabotaging phone systems during election day, to strategically attacking polling places on election day.

He was pretty up front about having done all this type of stuff personally in the past (because he was pimping a book).


Former Bush boy, Matt Dowd was on the show, however, and pretty much said unless Obama does something crazy, nothing McCain's camp does could change this election.

Then he went on to basically say the same thing I've been getting at, with how the Republican Party will be forced to fundamentally change, or splinter, after this election, and that the Bush platform for the party is dead.

But Obama has a loyal voting base that won't put up with this. If the Republicans try this, voters will resist. They've been warned it may happen, and are ready for it.

You can only pull this shit so many times.

[Dan 'Hampton]

Things are going to change?
right?.....
I really hope i'm alive for the next revolution.

[scottinnj]

And those 22 months destroyed America?

It's a weak argument when the Congress is only 1/3 of the equation of our federal government.

It's also fair then to say that if it's the Congressional Republicans' fault for putting us in a deficit under a president who wouldn't veto any excessive spending, then it's fair to say that it was while they were in charge a balanced budget was passed and we had a budget surplus.

[HBox]

This interview with Joe Biden has to be seen to be believed. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html)

I couldn't stop laughing all the way through.

[epo]

This interview with Joe Biden has to be seen to be believed. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html)

I couldn't stop laughing all the way through.

Good ol' Channel 9 from Orlando!

Seriously though...that anchor should be fired for that shitty set of hack questions. When an anchor has that kind of access, shouldn't they make their questions relevant?

[booster11373]

jeez louise, was that a Fox affiliate?

[epo]

jeez louise, was that a Fox affiliate?

The station is an ABC affiliate. But here is an update about the station:

Biden so disliked West's line of questioning that the Obama campaign canceled a WFTV interview with Jill Biden, the candidate's wife.

"This cancellation is non-negotiable, and further opportunities for your station to interview with this campaign are unlikely, at best for the duration of the remaining days until the election," wrote Laura K. McGinnis, Central Florida communications director for the Obama campaign.

That's a funny response to a shitty tv anchor.

[booster11373]

The station is an ABC affiliate. But here is an update about the station:



That's a funny response to a shitty tv anchor.

Im sure this will be spinned by the rightwing blowhards somehow

[mikeyboy]

This interview with Joe Biden has to be seen to be believed. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html)

I couldn't stop laughing all the way through.

Channel 9 may have taken it down, because the stream is currently unavailable.

[epo]

Channel 9 may have taken it down, because the stream is currently unavailable.

Here you go Mikeyboy. You're the Best!

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[DonInNC]

Her interview with McCain is still up. Just as amazing.

[mikeyboy]

Here you go Mikeyboy. You're the Best!

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Thanks! I found an interview the same reporter had with Biden a month ago. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17567041/index.html) Quite the contrast.

[epo]

Her interview with McCain is still up. Just as amazing.

That interview is here. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html)

[HBox]

That interview is here. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html)

This woman is my new favorite comic.

[spoon]

She really didn't listen to the answers to her "own" questions either. She just goes point to point, or question to question. God forbid she actually listen or have a conversation, or she would have noticed that her later questions were actually answered via an earlier question.

Dumb Cunt News 9.

That's their real slogan by the way.

[Recyclerz]

She really didn't listen to the answers to her "own" questions either. She just goes point to point, or question to question. God forbid she actually listen or have a conversation, or she would have noticed that her later questions were actually answered via an earlier question.

Dumb Cunt News 9.

That's their real slogan by the way.

The scary thing to me is that to a significant fraction of the American population this reporter is seen as doing a great job of asking tough questions to both candidates rather than being the babbling hack that we see her as. It's the same deal as when Sarah Palin can get out a string of cliches without swallowing her tongue and is hailed as a hero.

I'll concede the point that there are a lot of hacks in the Democratic party and on the Left more generally so this isn't only a Republican/conservative problem but it seems to me that the Right is more willing to put up with or is unable to distinguish the real retards that bubble up through their ranks. I think & hope that the Republicans/conservatives will become and stay a minority until such time that they can wrestle the opinion leadership for their side from the entertainers (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et al.) and turn the thinking for their team over to those conservatives who actually use more than just the reptilian parts of their brains (David Brooks, Andrew Sullivan, Ross Douthat, to name a few). Of course, I hope they don't do it too soon because I'm really hoping that Obama can have enough of a free hand to see whether he and his crew can reinvent the Democratic brand in the US in a similar manner that Tony Blair (& Gordon Brown) did for Labor in the UK.

[JerseySean]

That interview is here. (http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/index.html)


god forbid Biden gets asked a tough question. How dare she....ugh! She should be fired. How about firing the NYT staff for insinuating that McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist or for the Cindy Mccain stuff last weekend.

Biden is a bully and an idiot.

Contrasting McCain with his hero, Biden declared a few weeks back, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and . . . said, 'Look, here's what happened.' "
Nice historical reference. Except when the market crashed in 1929, Hoover was president, and there was no television.

[epo]

god forbid Biden gets asked a tough question. How dare she....ugh! She should be fired. How about firing the NYT staff for insinuating that McCain was having an affair with a lobbyist or for the Cindy Mccain stuff last weekend.

Biden is a bully and an idiot.

Honestly Sean, you must admit that those two interviews are completely fucking different.

She basically gave McCain fellatio while asking Biden all rumor-filled, backhanded questions. It was simply not anything near journalism.

In the throws of defeat, you'd save yourself some credibility by acting credible, not like an operative.

[JerseySean]

Honestly Sean, you must admit that those two interviews are completely fucking different.

She basically gave McCain fellatio while asking Biden all rumor-filled, backhanded questions. It was simply not anything near journalism.

In the throws of defeat, you'd save yourself some credibility by acting credible, not like an operative.

It sucks when it is the other way around doesnt it? Seriously epo, are you kidding? You guys have one interview to talk about. How about as dumb a question as "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" That was one of the dumbest questions ever and everyone jumped on her for asking him to clarify it. Stop it. One interview, EVER, didnt go your way and was too combative....imagine being a Republican going against the media all the time.

[TheMojoPin]

How about as dumb a question as "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" That was one of the dumbest questions ever and everyone jumped on her for asking him to clarify it.

Terrible contrasting example. That interview was designed to be a softball treatment and she still tanked it.

imagine being a Republican going against the media all the time.

When in doubt, fall back on the excuse of "bias." Just compare and contrast the McCain and Biden interviews. When you can bust someone on having such clearly skewed approaches to their work as a journalist, do it, but most of the cries of "liberal bias" or just smoke and mirrors that comes from people who don't like "their side" ever being questioned or criticized. It doesn't even usually matter if the outlets or people accused of "bias" are critical of Democrats...if they're critical of Republicans at the moment when someone tunes in or decides to pay atention, whoops, they're biased.

[epo]

It sucks when it is the other way around doesnt it? Seriously epo, are you kidding? You guys have one interview to talk about. How about as dumb a question as "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" That was one of the dumbest questions ever and everyone jumped on her for asking him to clarify it. Stop it. One interview, EVER, didnt go your way and was too combative....imagine being a Republican going against the media all the time.

Are you fucking kidding me?

First of all, Governor Palin hasn't had a real press conference the entire time she has been the nominee and her press has been greatly limited. Why is that? And what kind of atmosphere do you think that creates with our nation's free press?

Second, the Bush Doctrine? Seriously? The nominee of your political party didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was? That is the most indictable thing I've ever heard from a veep pick ever. This woman might have been a fine pick at some point in the future, but honestly she is so far over her head it's ridiculous.

And blaming the press for your problems is so 2004...............and trust me, your party has a shitload of problems.

[JerseySean]

Are you fucking kidding me?

First of all, Governor Palin hasn't had a real press conference the entire time she has been the nominee and her press has been greatly limited. Why is that? And what kind of atmosphere do you think that creates with our nation's free press?

Second, the Bush Doctrine? Seriously? The nominee of your political party didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was? That is the most indictable thing I've ever heard from a veep pick ever. This woman might have been a fine pick at some point in the future, but honestly she is so far over her head it's ridiculous.

And blaming the press for your problems is so 2004...............and trust me, your party has a shitload of problems.

What do you think the Bush Doctrine is?

[epo]

What do you think the Bush Doctrine is?

We've done this exact Q&A already and I'm not doing it again.

My very valid point is that the republican nominee for Vice President of the United States was absolutely clueless when asked this very question. When Charlie Gibson needs to bail you out, you are over your god damned head.

[TheMojoPin]

What do you think the Bush Doctrine is?

In short, if the United States determines that a foreign power is harboring threats, the U.S. has the right/obligation/whatever to go in and deal with it. The big doozy is the idea of preventive war being justified even if there is no immediate threat or if the threat to the U.S. isn't clear at all.

Look, she bombed the question. She had no idea what it was, and the interview and the interviewer were specifically picked to go easy on her.

[JerseySean]

In short, if the United States determines that a foreign power is harboring threats, the U.S. has the right/obligation/whatever to go in and deal with it. The big doozy is the idea of preventive war being justified even if their is no immediate threat or i the threat to the U.S. isn't clear at all.

Look, she bombed the question. She had no idea what it was.

And I contend that your VP didnt know that TV wasnt around in 1929 and that Hoover was President. That is pretty common and important knowledge.

[epo]

And I contend that your VP didnt know that TV wasnt around in 1929 and that Hoover was President. That is pretty common and important knowledge.

Of the things you'll figure out after the election is that the "tit for tat" distraction bullshit no longer matters to America.

Re-branding and new tactics are desperately needed by the republican brand.

[TheMojoPin]

And I contend that your VP didnt know that TV wasnt around in 1929 and that Hoover was President. That is pretty common and important knowledge.

Important? It makes him look silly, but to compare that to someone running for VP with a scary chance of being the prez if her running mate kicks off not knowing AT ALL the most significant American foreign policy declaration (created and defined by her own party) of the last 20, especially since it completely defines our foreign policy going on RIGHT NOW, is absurd.

[JerseySean]

Of the things you'll figure out after the election is that the "tit for tat" distraction bullshit no longer matters to America.

Re-branding and new tactics are desperately needed by the republican brand.

If Obama were to win this, which I think you all are way too confident of right now, we will need to regroup a bit. It will be easier to win elections without a drag like Bush to reference and instead to make it about the Democrats' inability to govern and out of touch ideas. Im looking forward to that. It will make my life easier.

[TheMojoPin]

If Obama were to win this, which I think you all are way too confident of right now

Based on what?

[JerseySean]

Based on what?

State polling which shows mcCain closing the gap in PA, retaking the lead in NC, dead heat in VA, leading in OH and FL.

[KnoxHarrington]

If Obama were to win this, which I think you all are way too confident of right now, we will need to regroup a bit. It will be easier to win elections without a drag like Bush to reference and instead to make it about the Democrats' inability to govern and out of touch ideas. Im looking forward to that. It will make my life easier.

And Napoleon had to "regroup a bit" after Waterloo too.

If McCain loses as badly as it appears he will in polls (and, yeah, let's not get too ahead of ourselves), coupled with massive losses in Congress, it's a rejection of the entire basis on which the Republican party has run in pretty much the past 14 years (starting with the "Contract with America" bullshit in '94.) It's not the "drag like Bush" going away. It's a wholesale rejection of the whole party.

The Republican party will need to start over. I'm not saying they'll be wandering int he woods for years, but please don't give me the "Well, once Bush is gone, it's OK" bullshit.

[epo]

If Obama were to win this, which I think you all are way too confident of right now, we will need to regroup a bit. It will be easier to win elections without a drag like Bush to reference and instead to make it about the Democrats' inability to govern and out of touch ideas. Im looking forward to that. It will make my life easier.

Have you seen McCain's lead in AZ is down to 4 points in one poll?

Have you seen David Frum begging the party to bail on McCain and to save all the Senators possible?

Dude...the presidential election, without a "major" happening is essentially in hand.

[KnoxHarrington]

State polling which shows mcCain closing the gap in PA, retaking the lead in NC, dead heat in VA, leading in OH and FL.

Sources? FiveThirtyEight.com, still the best polling site on the Web, shows Obama continuing to pull away.

[TheMojoPin]

State polling which shows mcCain closing the gap in PA, retaking the lead in NC, dead heat in VA, leading in OH and FL.

So you're picking and choosing polls and ignoring overall trends and tracking.

[KnoxHarrington]

State polling which shows mcCain closing the gap in PA, retaking the lead in NC, dead heat in VA, leading in OH and FL.

Oh, and I'm sure the fact he's "retaking the lead in NC" is why Elizabeth Dole is running an ad that basically says vote for her so President Obama won't have a supermajority in the Senate.

[TheMojoPin]

Sources? FiveThirtyEight.com, still the best polling site on the Web, shows Obama continuing to pull away.

Someone here said that that site skews left and therefore can't be relied on. It might have been Sean.

[JerseySean]

And Napoleon had to "regroup a bit" after Waterloo too.

If McCain loses as badly as it appears he will in polls (and, yeah, let's not get too ahead of ourselves), coupled with massive losses in Congress, it's a rejection of the entire basis on which the Republican party has run in pretty much the past 14 years (starting with the "Contract with America" bullshit in '94.) It's not the "drag like Bush" going away. It's a wholesale rejection of the whole party.

The Republican party will need to start over. I'm not saying they'll be wandering int he woods for years, but please don't give me the "Well, once Bush is gone, it's OK" bullshit.

No if you think that is the case, you are wrong. I agree, the GOP has gotten off track, but the core principles are alive and well. With Bush and his failures as the face of the party, that is why people reject the party. People want lower taxes, personal freedoms, and for this country to be strong home and abroad. If the Republicans get back to their core message, we will be fine. There have been plenty of times that people like you have pronounced one or the other party dead, 1974-76, 2002, etc. It doesnt happen like that my friend. It never has. if Obama wins, he will be a one termer like Carter.

[KnoxHarrington]

Someone here said that that site skews left and therefore can't be relied on. It might have been Sean.

Oh, ok then, McCain's going to get like 600 electoral votes.

Yes, I said 600. He's going to kick Obama's ass so bad some states will count twice.

[epo]

if Obama wins, he will be a one termer like Carter.

Its a wee bit early for shit like that. Talk to us in 2010.

Plus the Republican candidates look a little empty at the moment.

[JerseySean]

If you look at the states that matter:

Georgia, Indiana and North Carolina will be fine.

McCain will win FL and OH.

VA is scary.

PA, he is closing in on Barry there. That will be the Florida of 2008. there are some people who were ready to hang themselves a week ago, there is considerable evidence from early voting models in NV for example, where McCain is beating Barry 1.4:1 on absentees. Similiar reports have come out of other states. Dont pop the corks just yet.

[TheMojoPin]

For the love of God, point out how you're coming to your more dramatic conclusions:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3009/2973068156_c3d8e9b5a0_o.png

[JerseySean]

For the love of God, point out how you're coming to your more dramatic conclusions:

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Mark my words and call me out on it on Nov 5 if I am wrong.

[KnoxHarrington]

Mark my words and call me out on it on Nov 5 if I am wrong.

No, you don't get away with this this easily. Tell us where you have the polling information that you drew the conclusions posted above from.

[TheMojoPin]

Mark my words and call me out on it on Nov 5 if I am wrong.

Why should I do anything of the sort? You're just some dude claiming stuff on the internet either out of nowhere. Wrong or right on any of those claims, you're just completely guessing and ignoring the available evidence (not on all of your claims. You're pepperng you're more goofy picks with obvious ones that McCain has no shot of losing and the projections showing Obma winning obviously take into account).

[epo]

Mark my words and call me out on it on Nov 5 if I am wrong.

Running your mouth on the obviously flawed internal polling data is not helping the cause of your flagging external credibility issues.

[KnoxHarrington]

Running your mouth on the obviously flawed internal polling data is not helping the cause of your flagging external credibility issues.

And given the way the Republican party is acting, I seriously doubt that their internal polling looks any different. I mean, you have Republican senators throwing McCain under the bus in their ads. They wouldn't be doing that if the polls they had showed some great swing back towards McCain.

[spoon]

People want lower taxes, personal freedoms, and for this country to be strong home and abroad. If the Republicans get back to their core message, we will be fine.

I would argue that all three of your core republican messages are lies and have gone the wrong way. In fact, if you truly believe those core messages, perhaps you should vote with the party that makes them actual core VALUES. The Republicans say one thing and do just about the opposite as long as it puts money in their pockets (and their friends).

[spoon]

If Obama were to win this, which I think you all are way too confident of right now, we will need to regroup a bit. It will be easier to win elections without a drag like Bush to reference and instead to make it about the Democrats' inability to govern and out of touch ideas. Im looking forward to that. It will make my life easier.

The other side of that coin is Obama has an amazing first term and the country, including the traditional red states, finally vote in their own best interest, not false political and religious claims.

[SP1!]

That happens to be a woman

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Gotta applaud her for asking questions that people want asked when no one really has the balls to ask, gotta hate biden dodging and then speaking in talking points instead of addressing the questions.

Reason number 3,000 that I will be writing in Ron N Fez on my ballot this year, both choices suck and have no clue what direction to take the nation.

Biden is a career douche and would be a worse VP than palin but gets lost in the shuffle for some reason.

What is even worse is that the station is now being denied access to the campaign, what happened someone throw you a fastball instead of a softball? I guess only attacking against mccain and palin is ok and attacking any rumor for the dem candidates is bad, obama lets the media do its dirty work so he can claim to be running a squeaky clean campaign.

[spoon]

Locky!

Oh and if you think asking questions like a robot off a teleprompter and not listening to the answers (hence repeat questions that have been answered) then yes she's amazaing. I'm pretty sure asking things based on attack ads versus those on actual policy would define a good interview. Sorry but that was a sad attempt at an interview, but a better view into the eyes of a desperate campaign. I'm just surprised it came from a reporter. I for one thought Biden handled it, and answered every question quite well.

[Ritalin]

Here's a new 2 minute spot Obama's going to start running in key states, and that's where the money difference is really showing up.

Something I noticed in it, though: in the spot, he talks about a tax cut for everyone making less than $200,000 a year. Hasn't that number been $250,000 all along? I wonder why it went down, and why they decided to lower that bar so late in the game. It seems like a mistake to me, because the McCain's can now claim, rightfully, that the pool of people getting that tax cut is shrinking.

Watch it, and tell me if I'm wrong.

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[Ritalin]

I don't know if this makes any sense, but she just looks Republican to me.

[celery]

http://www.pocopattino.com/shoephotos/Haveana-FlipFlop-Gold.jpg

oooh is that a flip or a flop?

It was grandstanding and attention-whoring, completely no-sold by the entire board except for one person. <= flop

Then he went back on the whole thing on less than a month. <= flip

Really, a tremendous display.

[HBox]

Here's a new 2 minute spot Obama's going to start running in key states, and that's where the money difference is really showing up.

Something I noticed in it, though: in the spot, he talks about a tax cut for everyone making less than $200,000 a year. Hasn't that number been $250,000 all along? I wonder why it went down, and why they decided to lower that bar so late in the game. It seems like a mistake to me, because the McCain's can now claim, rightfully, that the pool of people getting that tax cut is shrinking.

Watch it, and tell me if I'm wrong.

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He's been saying that no one under $250,000 will have their taxes raised. So probably everyone from $200-000-$250,000 is getting a negligable to non-existent cut.

[TheMojoPin]

Asking questions revolving around the idea that a candidate from either of the major political parties is a "Marxist" isn't ballsy...it's inspidid, uneducated, spiteful and a complete waste of time.

This would be the equivalent of a reporter asking McCain what it's like for him being a racist, or a Nazi. They're ridiculous slurs tossed at the parties by lazy people not interested in anything besides cheap shots.

[JerseySean]

Asking questions revolving around the idea that a candidate from either of the major political parties is a "Marxist" isn't ballsy...it's inspidid, uneducated, spiteful and a complete waste of time.

This would be the equivalent of a reporter asking McCain what it's like for him being a racist, or a Nazi. They're ridiculous slurs tossed at the parties by lazy people not interested in anything besides cheap shots.

McCain has aspoused no Nazi values in this campaign. Obama has clearly said he wanter to spread the wealth around. He is the black reincarnation of Huey Long. Scary

[epo]

McCain has aspoused no Nazi values in this campaign. Obama has clearly said he wanter to spread the wealth around. He is the black reincarnation of Huey Long. Scary

I believe you are missing Mojo's core argument.

For a reporter to ask hyperbolic questions that cross the ridiculous threshold ceases to make them a reporter, it makes them a hack.

Asking if Obama is a socialist or a Marxist is stupid. Asking if McCain was a Nazi or a racist would be equally as stupid.

[JerseySean]

I believe you are missing Mojo's core argument.

For a reporter to ask hyperbolic questions that cross the ridiculous threshold ceases to make them a reporter, it makes them a hack.

Asking if Obama is a socialist or a Marxist is stupid. Asking if McCain was a Nazi or a racist would be equally as stupid.

It is not stupid because Obama has talked about a policy which may resemble Marxism. Speading the wealth, is a Marxist concept.

[epo]

It is not stupid because Obama has talked about a policy which may resemble Marxism. Speading the wealth, is a Marxist concept.

A progressive tax code is a Marxist concept? This is the type of bullshit hyperbole that has put your party into the abyss that it is sinking into.

If that is the "republican line" these days, that party can't re-brand itself fast enough.

[brettmojo]

It sucks when it is the other way around doesnt it? Seriously epo, are you kidding? You guys have one interview to talk about. How about as dumb a question as "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?" That was one of the dumbest questions ever and everyone jumped on her for asking him to clarify it. Stop it. One interview, EVER, didnt go your way and was too combative....imagine being a Republican going against the media all the time.

They locked the dumb bitch in a basement for the first few weeks of her nomination as VP because they couldn't trust her with reporters... They HAND PICK her first interviews and she fucking blew it still. Seriously dude, the fact she had no idea WHAT OUR CURRENT FOREIGN POLICY IS is completely insane for a vice presidential nominee. Stop spinning it like she was raped in front of the nation. She was exposed as a hick and a politician in way over her head. Her opening her dumb mouth about Obama's qualifications is the biggest fucking joke EVER.

Are you fucking kidding me?

First of all, Governor Palin hasn't had a real press conference the entire time she has been the nominee and her press has been greatly limited. Why is that? And what kind of atmosphere do you think that creates with our nation's free press?

Second, the Bush Doctrine? Seriously? The nominee of your political party didn't know what the Bush Doctrine was? That is the most indictable thing I've ever heard from a veep pick ever. This woman might have been a fine pick at some point in the future, but honestly she is so far over her head it's ridiculous.

What he said.

What do you think the Bush Doctrine is?

WE'RE NOT RUNNING FOR THE VICE PRESIDENCY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!@!@!

What is even worse is that the station is now being denied access to the campaign

Thank god they haven't completely denied access to Biden... What kind of campaign would do that??? Deny access to the vice presidential nominee??? None I can think of... Some might consider that a little bit fishy...

McCain has aspoused no Nazi values in this campaign. Obama has clearly said he wanter to spread the wealth around. He is the black reincarnation of Huey Long. Scary

Can't say the same about the folks at his rallies however...

Huey Long is scary I agree.

http://www.masterpiecepumpkins.com/Graphics/FOX-HowieLong%20%20_orig.jpg

[celery]

I believe you are missing Mojo's core argument.

For a reporter to ask hyperbolic questions that cross the ridiculous threshold ceases to make them a reporter, it makes them a hack.

Asking if Obama is a socialist or a Marxist is stupid. Asking if McCain was a Nazi or a racist would be equally as stupid.

No shocker, it's coming out that her husband works for the GOP.

http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2008/10/conflict-of-interest-orlando-journalist.html

[brettmojo]

No shocker, it's coming out that her husband works for the GOP.

http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2008/10/conflict-of-interest-orlando-journalist.html
Check out the interview with McCain she did... That interview is softer than that Palin kid's noggin...

http://www.wftv.com/video/17712615/

[epo]

No shocker, it's coming out that her husband works for the GOP.

http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2008/10/conflict-of-interest-orlando-journalist.html

This explains so much. Thank you.

[booster11373]

No shocker, it's coming out that her husband works for the GOP.

http://www.bluetidalwave.com/2008/10/conflict-of-interest-orlando-journalist.html

Is she part of the liberal media?

[brettmojo]

Is she part of the liberal media?
No. She hasn't said or reported anything negative or critical of someone in the Republic party.

[JerseySean]

This explains so much. Thank you.

This happens all the time. There are a ton of couples half media/halk political

[JerseySean]

Huey Long is scary I agree.

http://www.masterpiecepumpkins.com/Graphics/FOX-HowieLong%20%20_orig.jpg
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Obama's political hero

[brettmojo]

This happens all the time.

Yes.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

[epo]

This happens all the time. There are a ton of couples half media/halk political

I believe that would make this a power couple of hackiness.

[Recyclerz]

Yes.

http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/todd1.jpg

Turns out the backwards B was for Brawley (Tawanna). Who would have guessed? :wink:

[epo]

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Obama's political hero

You are drifting further and further into board character territory with your over-the-top hyperbole.

[JerseySean]

You are drifting further and further into board character territory with your over-the-top hyperbole.

The rhetoric is the same and the policies sound the same to me. Obama is the Huey Long 2.0.



There was no mistaking Huey Long's meaning.

In his Feb. 23, 1934, "Every Man a King" national radio address, Long, by then a senator, declared that, "in order to cure all of our woes it is necessary to scale down the big fortunes, that we may scatter the wealth to be shared by all of the people."

To that end, Long said that no individual should own more than $50 million (about $750 million in today's dollars). If confiscating the excess for redistribution was not sufficient to provide the minimum income, free college tuition and old-age pensions that Long's program called for, he said, "It may be necessary, in working out the plans, that no man's fortune would be more than $10 million to $15 million" ($150 to $225 million today).

"But be that as it may, " Long said, "it will still be more than any one man, or any one man and his children and their children, will be able to spend in their lifetimes."


" 'Spread the Wealth': Obama or Huey Long?" asked the headline on an Oct. 16 posting on the Web site of the American Shareholders Association, an organization that focuses on eliminating the estate tax. Below the headline, Ryan Ellis, executive director of ASA, posted a YouTube of the Obama-Worzelbacher exchange, a quote from Long indicating that he came to the Senate "with only one project in mind -- that . . . I might do something to spread the wealth of the land among all of the people, " and a critique from Ellis: "Hey, they're both corrupt politicians from party machines that like to steal money and give it to their friends, right?"

Ellis also is director of tax policy at Americans for Tax Reform, which supports lower and flatter (less progressive) taxes.

'Rough days ahead'

But Bob Mann, a professor of communications at Louisiana State University, said that Obama's plan to make the income tax a bit more steeply progressive is a far cry from Long's confiscatory scheme.

"In reality the only thing even remotely reminiscent or related to Huey Long is that Obama used the expression 'spread the wealth, ' and that sounds like 'share our wealth, ' " said Mann, who wrote a biography of Long's son, Sen. Russell Long, for whom he once worked as press secretary.

When it comes to redistributing wealth, Mann said, "I can promise you that Huey Long would have called Barack Obama a wimp."

Perhaps, but Richard White Jr., a professor at LSU's Public Administration Institute and author of "Kingfish: The Reign of Huey P. Long, " said that doesn't mean that Long and Obama didn't and don't invoke similar fears on Wall Street.

With Obama and a Democratic Congress, White said, Wall Street sees the return of a more tax-and-spend, redistributive regime in Washington with a dread that he believes helps explain the severity of the recent market collapse. "It's the New York Stock Exchange reaction to the certainty that Barack Obama is going to be elected president, " White said. "They know there are rough days ahead."

"We thought times were very different until all of a sudden the bottom dropped out, all of a sudden look at all these people who are losing their homes, " said Pamela Long Wofford, who is Long's granddaughter. (She is Russell Long's daughter and Audra Snider's mother.)

Like her daughter, Wofford, 60, who lives outside Frederick, Md., admires Obama.

"I think he has something in common, actually quite a bit in common, with my grandfather, " Wofford said. "He seems to care about people having an equal opportunity. I think he's the perfect person for now."

Huey Long, a hero to some and reviled as a dictator and a demagogue by others, was assassinated at the age of 42 at the State Capitol in Baton Rouge in 1935, the year before the presidential race in which he intended to challenge Franklin Roosevelt in his bid for a second term.

Since creating the Huey Long Web site, Snider, 37, said she had been moved by the messages she had received from people who admired her great-grandfather, and whose families had kept long-ago newspaper clippings of his political milestones.

These days, she said, she is keeping a similar file of clippings about Obama for her infant daughter, Charlotte.

"My daughter was born into an extraordinary time and exciting time, " she said. "The parallels are stunning."

[angrymissy]

He's been saying that no one under $250,000 will have their taxes raised. So probably everyone from $200-000-$250,000 is getting a negligable to non-existent cut.

Yup.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/12/GR2008061200193.gif

[brettmojo]

The rhetoric is the same and the policies sound the same to me. Obama is the Huey Long 2.0.
"In reality the only thing even remotely reminiscent or related to Huey Long is that Obama used the expression 'spread the wealth, ' and that sounds like 'share our wealth, ' " said Mann, who wrote a biography of Long's son, Sen. Russell Long, for whom he once worked as press secretary.

When it comes to redistributing wealth, Mann said, "I can promise you that Huey Long would have called Barack Obama a wimp."

Your own quote disagrees with you.

[epo]

The rhetoric is the same and the policies sound the same to me. Obama is the Huey Long 2.0.

This is from an article entitled.......ready......

Obama is no Huey Long (http://wipp.illumen.org/newsArticle.jsf?documentId=2c9e4f691d32977a011d33a d6c550110)

Could you be any more of a hack right now?

[JerseySean]

Yup.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/12/GR2008061200193.gif

Here is what you folks dont understand, this isnt about families income. It is about small businesses who will get massive tax increases. That will kill jobs, etc. That is the heart of the tax issue. We cant raise taxes on businesses.

[JerseySean]

This is from an article entitled.......ready......

Obama is no Huey Long (http://wipp.illumen.org/newsArticle.jsf?documentId=2c9e4f691d32977a011d33a d6c550110)

Could you be any more of a hack right now?

Ummm....Wrong

www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/obamas_rhetoric_evokes_huey_lo_1.html+obama+rhetor ic+evokes+huey+long&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Title:Obama's rhetoric evokes Huey Long

[Recyclerz]

The rhetoric is the same and the policies sound the same to me. Obama is the Huey Long 2.0.

Dude, you have to put the Ayn Rand fan magazine down for a bit and get your information from a litle wider array of sources. Boosting up the top rate on earned income by about two points and reconsidering a 15% capital gains tax rate in the face of unsustainably high deficit spending is hardly channeling Huey Long or Hugo Chavez. :blink:

[epo]

Ummm....Wrong

www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/10/obamas_rhetoric_evokes_huey_lo_1.html+obama+rhetor ic+evokes+huey+long&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Same exact article, no matter which site you get it from.

[JerseySean]

Dude, you have to put the Ayn Rand fan magazine down for a bit and get your information from a litle wider array of sources. Boosting up the top rate on earned income by about two points and reconsidering a 15% capital gains tax rate in the face of unsustainably high deficit spending is hardly channeling Huey Long or Hugo Chavez. :blink:

So Obama is a deficit hawk now? Are you kidding. He has proposed $900 billion in new spending. How about cut taxes and cut spending? Novel idea.

[brettmojo]

So Obama is a deficit hawk now? Are you kidding. He has proposed $900 billion in new spending. How about cut taxes and cut spending? Novel idea.
Yeah. Cause' god knows schools and infrastructure have waaaayyy too much funding.

[JerseySean]

Same exact article, no matter which site you get it from.

No its not stupid. I got it from nola.com, the source.

[mikeyboy]

No its not stupid. I got it from nola.com, the source.

There's no reason to resort to name calling.

[JerseySean]

Yeah. Cause' god knows schools and infrastructure have waaaayyy too much funding.


How about reaching achievement standards as a district before getting any new school construction money? Sean, you say, “but we need new schools with smaller classrooms and new facilities and we need to hire more teachers.” I agree. However let’s look at the Morton Middle School in Newark. Average class size is 6-7 students per teacher. Reading and Math proficiency for 8th graders hovers around 40%, F-O-R-T-Y-P-E-R-C-E-N-T. Yea, we need more school funding. Cost to teach these kids is 15k per year.

[angrymissy]

No its not stupid. I got it from nola.com, the source.

#1, your link doesn't work,

#2, if you search "Obama Huey Long", you'll find the article on nola, titled:

http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-11/122491206733850.xml&coll=1

Obama is no Huey Long
Despite wealth sharing, vast differences exist

[JerseySean]

#1, your link doesn't work,

#2, if you search "Obama Huey Long", you'll find the article on nola, titled:

http://www.nola.com/timespic/stories/index.ssf?/base/news-11/122491206733850.xml&coll=1

Obama is no Huey Long
Despite wealth sharing, vast differences exist

These are two seperate articles that ran on consecutive days

[celery]

Yup.

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/06/12/GR2008061200193.gif

I hadn't seen this - thanks for posting.

This is the exact reason Mr. Cumia is anti-Obama.

[angrymissy]

These are two seperate articles that ran on consecutive days

Your link doesn't work. Where is the article?

[brettmojo]

How about reaching achievement standards as a district before getting any new school construction money? Sean, you say, “but we need new schools with smaller classrooms and new facilities and we need to hire more teachers.” I agree. However let’s look at the Morton Middle School in Newark. Average class size is 6-7 students per teacher. Reading and Math proficiency for 8th graders hovers around 40%, F-O-R-T-Y-P-E-R-C-E-N-T. Yea, we need more school funding. Cost to teach these kids is 15k per year.

Check. Mate.

[JerseySean]

Your link doesn't work. Where is the article?

google Obama huey Long, it is the second link. hit cache.

[brettmojo]

These are two seperate articles that ran on consecutive days
Don't forget their was a full moon too.

[JerseySean]

Check. Mate.

way to be a flaming racist

[epo]

How about reaching achievement standards as a district before getting any new school construction money? Sean, you say, “but we need new schools with smaller classrooms and new facilities and we need to hire more teachers.” I agree. However let’s look at the Morton Middle School in Newark. Average class size is 6-7 students per teacher. Reading and Math proficiency for 8th graders hovers around 40%, F-O-R-T-Y-P-E-R-C-E-N-T. Yea, we need more school funding. Cost to teach these kids is 15k per year.

That is a local issue, please don't confuse the issue.

We all know that the federal government has been cutting education funding proportionally in their budgets since 1980. This has caused a shift in state/local budgets to try to make up the gap. The end result has been a reduction in funding/quality and a raising of local property taxes.

And a single example doesn't make the case for an entire issue.

[epo]

Yeah. Cause' god knows schools and infrastructure have waaaayyy too much funding.

Who needed I35W anyways?

http://www.america2050.org/upload/2007/08/Bridge%20Collapse/1030532519_c614bfbe27_o-thumb.jpg

[JerseySean]

That is a local issue, please don't confuse the issue.

We all know that the federal government has been cutting education funding proportionally in their budgets since 1980. This has caused a shift in state/local budgets to try to make up the gap. The end result has been a reduction in funding/quality and a raising of local property taxes.

And a single example doesn't make the case for an entire issue.

Sure it does. Look at the numbers for the highest cost per pupil around the country, excluding special ed. You'll see that the more money being spent, the lower the scores are. Education is funded properly in many places and the federal government shouldnt be responsible for funding local schools.

[Recyclerz]

Here is what you folks dont understand, this isnt about families income. It is about small businesses who will get massive tax increases. That will kill jobs, etc. That is the heart of the tax issue. We cant raise taxes on businesses.

I don't want to pile on but I'd be curious as to where you're getting the information that Obama's tax plan is going to be punitive to small businesses. When you go to Obama's web site the tax plan talks about reducing or eliminating the capital gains taxes on small businesses which is traditionally where people who have built up successful businesses (by reinvesting profits in them over time to grow the thing rather than by taking huge salaries or dividends out of them) have gotten hit the hardest.

If you are relying on Joe the Plumber's complaint where he confuses $250K in gross sales with $250K taken out in salary, then you are just getting caught up in the fog that the Republicans are using to confuse people. If you have some solid critique of Obama's plan I would honestly like to be able to read it.

[mikeyboy]

Sure it does. Look at the numbers for the highest cost per pupil around the country, excluding special ed. You'll see that the more money being spent, the lower the scores are.

You can't just say that without providing support, and no, your one example doesn't do that.