President-Elect Obama Thread [Archive] - Page 8

epo

10-26-2008, 12:18 PM

Sure it does. Look at the numbers for the highest cost per pupil around the country, excluding special ed. You'll see that the more money being spent, the lower the scores are. Education is funded properly in many places and the federal government shouldnt be responsible for funding local schools.

If a single example can be indicative of an entire entity, then I submit exhibit A of my "proof" that McCain supporters/volunteers/staffers are mentally unstable:

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/10/24/image4544206g.jpg

See how stupid that is?

OK...where is the proof of the "Mo Money, Mo Problems" theory of education? And furthermore is there a "Less Money, More Problems" version as well?

Education needs to be looked at seriously in this nation. As we continue to de-fund and devalue our intellectual pursuits in this nation, we are going to continue to slide economically in the world economy.

JerseySean

10-26-2008, 12:19 PM

If a single example can be indicative of an entire entity, then I submit exhibit A of my "proof" that McCain supporters/volunteers/staffers are mentally unstable:

http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2008/10/24/image4544206g.jpg

See how stupid that is?

OK...where is the proof of the "Mo Money, Mo Problems" theory of education? And furthermore is there a "Less Money, More Problems" version as well?

Education needs to be looked at seriously in this nation. As we continue to de-fund and devalue our intellectual pursuits in this nation, we are going to continue to slide economically in the world economy.

Please see above your wiseass post

Ive done a lot of research on this and it is a consistant trend nationwide. If you want to understand the problem, read about, dont just repeat the Dem talkers on this. Money does not equal better education.

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 12:20 PM

Ok, so...

The government isn't responsible for the infrastructure of the United States, nor the education of it's citizens, nor the criminal dealings of Wall Street tycoons. Hmmm... Glad our tax dollars aren't being wasted on meaningless shit.

epo

10-26-2008, 12:22 PM

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 12:27 PM

Since this is now a law school class,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/17/AR2006051700035.html
Education is obviously a complicated issue. The answer isn't just to throw more money at it. That doesn't win wars and certainly doesn't fix national issues. Every individual school system has to take a look at itself and identify what problems they have in order for solutions to be found.

But when you have to worry about crap like getting one of the new text books and not one of the beat up ones it certainly doesn't help encourage your learning.

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 12:28 PM

You mean to "pre-George W. Bush" levels?
They disowned him. It's not the Republic party's fault anymore.

JerseySean

10-26-2008, 12:36 PM

They disowned him. It's not the Republic party's fault anymore.
We are a party of Republic-ans which is plural for Republican. They are a party of Democrats which is plural for Democrat. It doesnt go the other way.

celery

10-26-2008, 12:40 PM

You mean to "pre-George W. Bush" levels?

Gotta love those fiscally conservative Republics.

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 12:44 PM

We are a party of Republic-ans which is plural for Republican. They are a party of Democrats which is plural for Democrat. It doesnt go the other way.
Relax. Stop being so uppity. Didn't mean to rain on your Republic party. I'm sure all the Democracrates feel the same way.

JerseySean

10-26-2008, 12:45 PM

Relax. Stop being so uppity. Didn't mean to rain on your Republic party. I'm sure all the Democracrates feel the same way.

again, racist

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 12:46 PM

again, racist
Down with whitey.

JerseySean

10-26-2008, 12:47 PM

Down with whitey.

Fair and Balanced my friend

epo

10-26-2008, 12:48 PM

New Gallup poll shows 75% of U.S. Jews plan to vote Obama (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031176.html)

A new poll released by the Gallup organization on Thursday shows Jewish voters favor Barack Obama over John McCain by more than 3 to 1, with 74% saying they will vote for Obama over 22% for McCain.

The poll's findings show that in spite of a certain measure of trepidation among some Jewish voters towards Obama early in his campaign, he is set to receive the same percentage of the Jewish vote (74%) as John Kerry in 2004, and only slightly less than the 80% of the Jewish vote that Al Gore received in 2000 when he had a Jewish running mate in Joe Lieberman.

This is interesting as the traditional voters that the Clinton Brothers claimed only they could deliver seem to all be home now.

booster11373

10-26-2008, 12:55 PM

We are a party of Republic-ans which is plural for Republican. They are a party of Democrats which is plural for Democrat. It doesnt go the other way.

Republicans or Republicants? Americans or Americant's?

Seems like something you would see on a bumper sticker

epo

10-26-2008, 12:57 PM

Republicans or Republicants? Americans or Americant's?

I thought it was RepubliCONs.

See what I did there? I took Republicans...and inserted an o as the final vowel of the word and totally changed its meaning. Hilarious!

:blink:

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 01:07 PM

I thought it was RepubliCONs.

See what I did there? I took Republicans...and inserted an o as the final vowel of the word and totally changed its meaning. Hilarious!

:blink:
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z75/jamesd6115/decepticons.jpg

booster11373

10-26-2008, 01:35 PM

I thought it was RepubliCONs.

See what I did there? I took Republicans...and inserted an o as the final vowel of the word and totally changed its meaning. Hilarious!

:blink:

well played Sir, well played indeed

spoon

10-26-2008, 02:06 PM

Asking questions revolving around the idea that a candidate from either of the major political parties is a "Marxist" isn't ballsy...it's inspidid, uneducated, spiteful and a complete waste of time.

This would be the equivalent of a reporter asking McCain what it's like for him being a racist, or a Nazi. They're ridiculous slurs tossed at the parties by lazy people not interested in anything besides cheap shots.

To me that simply looked like her job application for a national gig on Fox News.

spoon

10-26-2008, 03:35 PM

So Obama is a deficit hawk now? Are you kidding. He has proposed $900 billion in new spending. How about cut taxes and cut spending? Novel idea.

Or you can do what the republicans do now, cut taxes, spend more and go to war. Good, no great combination!

epo

10-26-2008, 03:40 PM

To me that simply looked like her job application for a national gig on Fox News.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v154/419Eater/Caturday/LOLInterview.jpg

CofyCrakCocaine

10-26-2008, 03:53 PM

Asking questions revolving around the idea that a candidate from either of the major political parties is a "Marxist" isn't ballsy...it's inspidid, uneducated, spiteful and a complete waste of time.

This would be the equivalent of a reporter asking McCain what it's like for him being a racist, or a Nazi. They're ridiculous slurs tossed at the parties by lazy people not interested in anything besides cheap shots.

It's also indicative of how utterly out of touch Republican concerns are when outdated enemies like "Marxists" are brought up in 2008. Might as well accuse him of being the Kaiser too, the fucking twat.

And yes, she does have balls.

spoon

10-26-2008, 05:16 PM

How about reaching achievement standards as a district before getting any new school construction money? Sean, you say, “but we need new schools with smaller classrooms and new facilities and we need to hire more teachers.” I agree. However let’s look at the Morton Middle School in Newark. Average class size is 6-7 students per teacher. Reading and Math proficiency for 8th graders hovers around 40%, F-O-R-T-Y-P-E-R-C-E-N-T. Yea, we need more school funding. Cost to teach these kids is 15k per year.

Yep, and I know someone who actually volunteers there, for free and the issues there go much deeper than you could even fathom with your short-sighted example. So yeah, it's just a coincidence the low rates happen in Newark where they can't get good teachers to work. Also, one shool is your example of what's wrong with the whole system, I think you need to look again.

brettmojo

10-26-2008, 05:51 PM

Not to mention the only thing that the "No Child Left Behind" mindset gets you are teachers teaching to a test... Not teaching children to think.

PhilDeez

10-26-2008, 06:03 PM

Not to mention the only thing that the "No Child Left Behind" mindset gets you are teachers teaching to a test... Not teaching children to think.

Great point. My father expalined to me how the majority of the teachers at his school do just that - they train the students on how to master these tests for the particular subject at hand rather than actually teaching and allowing the students to form opinions, etc. This makes the teacher look great, the school looks great and thus earns better funding from the state, all the while leaving kids with a mind full of test answers that at best answers a few Jeopardy questions.

spoon

10-26-2008, 06:12 PM

this is a partisan issue? The fed does have a responsibility to keep up on infrastructure but we should be looking at cutting spending on all non-military programs until we can get to a balanced budget with 65% of our current debt paid off.

How about we actually cut spending on military programs. We can't handle our problems here right now, let's stop trying to fix those abroad. Oh and I'm not saying cripple our ability like this war and economy collapse has, I'm for keeping a strong military of need, not this bs of back-door war profiteering with the likes of Blackwater, Halliburton and other no-bids bs gov contracts to cronies.

TheMojoPin

10-26-2008, 06:13 PM

It's also indicative of how utterly out of touch Republican concerns are when outdated enemies like "Marxists" are brought up in 2008. Might as well accuse him of being the Kaiser too, the fucking twat.

And yes, she does have balls.

I got an e-mail saying that Obama is secretly a dirty Spaniard and had something to do with the destruction of the Maine.

TheMojoPin

10-26-2008, 06:14 PM

Great point. My father expalined to me how the majority of the teachers at his school do just that - they train the students on how to master these tests for the particular subject at hand rather than actually teaching and allowing the students to form opinions, etc. This makes the teacher look great, the school looks great and thus earns better funding from the state, all the while leaving kids with a mind full of test answers that at best answers a few Jeopardy questions.

It's sad how perfectly The Wire nailed that.

booster11373

10-26-2008, 06:16 PM

I got an e-mail saying that Obama is secretly a dirty Spaniard and had something to do with the destruction of the Maine.

Sorry I got drunk and sent that one, I figured I muddy the waters some more

spoon

10-26-2008, 06:17 PM

celery

10-26-2008, 06:35 PM

What is no child left behing alex.

I don't know, but this guy voted for it.

http://i38.tinypic.com/975yld.gif

scottinnj

10-26-2008, 06:42 PM

scottinnj

10-26-2008, 06:44 PM

I got an e-mail saying that Obama is secretly a dirty Spaniard and had something to do with the destruction of the Maine.

Dude, my brother in law is still getting emails that Obama isn't a "natural" citizen, and constitutionally eliminated from the presidency. As late in the election as TODAY!

I'm awaiting my sister's permission to copy/paste the text she forwarded to me.

epo

10-26-2008, 06:45 PM

Another reported 100K today in Denver, Colorado: (http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/10/26/politics/fromtheroad/entry4546324.shtml)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x280/icebergslim1047/october%202008/october%2019/denvercolorado3.jpg

JerseySean

10-26-2008, 06:56 PM

I got an e-mail saying that Obama is secretly a dirty Spaniard and had something to do with the destruction of the Maine.

You're on my email list?

TheMojoPin

10-26-2008, 06:59 PM

You're on my email list?

Hahahahahahahahaaah!

Nicely done, sir.

scottinnj

10-26-2008, 07:02 PM

Reposted with permission from my sister:

I don't know if your friend has been able to pin down the origin of some of the rumors that have been proliferating the internet. I know at least one thing Charlie sent me came from Right Change.com (I think they may also go by the .org suffix as well).
Right Change.com is a 527 group out of North Carolina. It is largely bankrolled by its president Fred Eshelman, the CEO of a pharmaceutical research firm, who has contributed $2.7 million of the 3.8 million the group has raised this year. According to OpenSecrets.org, Eshelman has also contributed $2,300 to McCain's campaign. Two of the other three members of its board of directors are GOP state legislators in North Carolina. RightChange.com has spent just over $3 million so far.
The group has been running ads on national cable networks targeting Obama's tax proposals. The ads offier a false picture of how Obama's plan would affect small businesses.

Charlie woke me up this morning with the proclamation that Obama will never become president because he is not an American Citizen. He claims Obama admits this "out of his own mouth". I of course printed out a rebuttal from factcheck.org asd well as sending him a direct link to the correct information, and this is what he sends me:

Charlie Neunert (email deleted) to Stephanie Hicks-Neunert (email deleted)
8:07pm

This is not an accurate website to use about him being a citizen or not because it is written by an Obama supporter and friend. It is true that he is not a naturalized citizen and therefore can not be President of the US. Obama even admitted that he was borned in Kenya.

On Sun, Oct 26, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Stephanie (email deleted) wrote:

Hi Charlie !, Stephanie wanted you to see this site: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html.

To use Charlie's favorite phrase "Bottom Line:" (and if I hear it much more before Nov. 3rd, I may strangle him), people like Charlie do not care about the truth. For whatever reason, Charlie and others like him, wants to trust the lies and false rumors, he does not want to know the truth, and he apparently likes being lied to and loves believing and and perpetrating lies. They don't mind being puppets of the Republican party and big money corporations as long as their religious egos are stroked enough. If it weren't for this whole family values invention, The GOP would not be able to garner the vote of the middle class.

I am so disgusted. I've tried to talk to him, but my word/thoughts/opinions don't hold weight with him and haven't for some time now. After today, I'm not discussing politics with him any more. Just a few minutes ago he asked me for what I tried to show him before. I said "No, I"m done", which may be wrong, but it's how it is. Yesterday he was talking to someone and said "Oh, I use factcheck.org all the time". Today he discounts factcheck because then he'd have to admit to me he was wrong about something. I'm sick of his two facedness.

I still don't know who is behind the "American Family Association".

I did have a dream, however, that it was the day after the election and that Obama had won. Oh, the wonderful happiness I felt in that dream. I hope I get to experience that again for real on November 4th.

This election it's worse then the Swift Boaters. It's like 2004 was a seminar for this one.

AKA

10-26-2008, 07:46 PM

This election it's worse then the Swift Boaters. It's like 2004 was a seminar for this one.

Snopes.com has been a friend of mine this election - everytime my dad sends me something else bat-shit crazy, I send him a link to the debunking on Snopes.

tele7

10-26-2008, 08:17 PM

A.J.

10-26-2008, 10:51 PM

New Gallup poll shows 75% of U.S. Jews plan to vote Obama (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031176.html)

Like they wouldn't have anyway.

A.J.

10-26-2008, 10:53 PM

How about we actually cut spending on military programs. We can't handle our problems here right now, let's stop trying to fix those abroad. Oh and I'm not saying cripple our ability like this war and economy collapse has, I'm for keeping a strong military of need, not this bs of back-door war profiteering with the likes of Blackwater, Halliburton and other no-bids bs gov contracts to cronies.

Government contractors are assholes!

yojimbo7248

10-27-2008, 03:39 AM

Government contractors are assholes!

Some of the biggest slimeballs I have ever met have been Beltway Bandit contractors. I have seen so much corruption with defense and intelligence contractors. It has been much worse under Bush, especially when Rumsfeld was SECDEF since he was so hell bent on privatizing the DoD. Far too many contractors lie about their ability to fulfill a contract and enter the agreement fully knowing that they will not fulfill their obligation. Yet they put in a bid and get it because of their connections in the Pentagon or intel community. Iraq has been the most disgusting example of this corruption but you can find it in all corners of the Pentagon and Langley. On top of that, these are lapel-flag-pin-wearing, Washington Times right-wing pricks who will slam on someone for not singing God Bless America at a Yankees game yet steal money from the nation without thinking twice.

A.J.

10-27-2008, 03:48 AM

Some of the biggest slimeballs I have ever met have been Beltway Bandit contractors. I have seen so much corruption with defense and intelligence contractors. It has been much worse under Bush, especially when Rumsfeld was SECDEF since he was so hell bent on privatizing the DoD. Far too many contractors lie about their ability to fulfill a contract and enter the agreement fully knowing that they will not fulfill their obligation. Yet they put in a bid and get it because of their connections in the Pentagon or intel community. Iraq has been the most disgusting example of this corruption but you can find it in all corners of the Pentagon and Langley. On top of that, these are lapel-flag-pin-wearing, Washington Times right-wing pricks who will slam on someone for not singing God Bless America at a Yankees game yet steal money from the nation without thinking twice.

Fuck them all! I hope those douchebag contractors burn in hell!

Recyclerz

10-27-2008, 04:05 AM

Fuck them all! I hope those douchebag contractors burn in hell!

I think a light toasting will be enough to teach most of them the error of their ways.

At least for those with other redeeming qualities, like, an appreciation of the Ron & Fez radio show, for instance. That will be my recommendation to Chairman Obama.

yojimbo7248

10-27-2008, 04:31 AM

Fuck them all! I hope those douchebag contractors burn in hell!

Some of my best friends are contractors and I am an ex-contractor so no offense to the decent Beltway Bandits on ronfez.net.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 06:09 AM

Wow did anyone see one of the recent daily shows where they showed the clip of McCain from 2000 saying the exact same shit about taxing the rich that Obama has been saying? What a fucking hypocrite.

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McCain quote,"Wealthy people can afford more."

OMFCKINGGOOOD!!! SOCIALISTISMXXXERS!!!!

No fucking respect left for this man.

Let's see, what will Republic supporters say about this?

YEAH, WELL THAT WAS DURING A TIME OF ECONOMIC PROSPERITY!!! NOT LIKE NOW. SO IT'S OK.

THAT WAS NO BIG DEAL, MCCAIN SOUNDED NOTHING LIKE OBAMA A.K.A. HOWIE LONG!

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:25 AM

Obama insighting hate

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/18/2008/10/27/175x131/Palin.jpg

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:34 AM

McCain inciting hate

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26872774/
http://www.oxfordpress.com/hp/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/10/21/hjn102208obamaghostweb.html

FAIRFIELD — City and school district leaders have "condemned" the actions of a Fairfield resident who last week displayed a ghost with Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama's name on it — hanging from a tree by a noose.

Mike Lunsford said he hung the ghost in his front yard as a Halloween decoration and later decided to write "Hussain" in green marker on it. Obama's middle name is Hussein. Lunsford also attached part of a campaign yard sign with Obama's last name to his ghost decoration.

NEWBERG, Ore. - Students and school leaders at a small Christian university expressed outrage Wednesday at the discovery of a life-size cardboard effigy of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama hanging from a tree on campus.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:35 AM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:37 AM

booster11373

10-27-2008, 06:37 AM

Obama insighting hate

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/18/2008/10/27/175x131/Palin.jpg

Inciting is the word you want to use here

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:38 AM

We dont cry about it though, I was being facisous.

Who even brought up the Obama effigies?

I guess Fox news is being facetious as well, because they sure are crying about it.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:40 AM

Who even brought up the Obama effigies?

I guess Fox news is being facetious as well, because they sure are crying about it.

I bet they were. Just like Obama and Biden and all of the false reports about "kill him", etc. Just stop crying.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:41 AM

I bet they were. Just like Obama and Biden and all of the false reports about "kill him", etc. Just stop crying.

Excuse me? You won't see me crying for shit. Do I need to bring up Ms. Backwards B?

I wouldn't add "etc" after the false reports... because all of the other ones are on tape.

And I'm calling BS on just being facetious. That Palin pic is todays RW blog item du jour.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:43 AM

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:45 AM

Obama and his fake outrage, stop it already. You act like Im gonna sit here and take backwards B girls side. Unlike you guys on this board I dont pretend to be outraged at stuff and I have no problem saying hes a nut.

Show me where I (or anyone else on this boat) show "outrage" unless it's gross, overt racism.

So far, you've just pulled the two RW "outrage" items of the day from the major blogs.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:46 AM

Show me where I (or anyone else on this boat) show "outrage" unless it's gross, overt racism.

Barry has showed fake outrage, so has Biden and the media. You guys have brought it up as well in this thread.

IMSlacker

10-27-2008, 06:47 AM

Barry has showed fake outrage, so has Biden and the media. You guys have brought it up as well in this thread.

And McCain hasn't? Have you forgotten lipstick on a pig?

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:48 AM

Barry has showed fake outrage, so has Biden and the media. You guys have brought it up as well in this thread.

I don't think outrage is fake when you have reports of people yelling KILL HIM, TERRORIST, TRAITOR, ARAB. I'd be pretty fucking pissed if people yelled shit like that about me too.

Barry, eh? Is there, like, a training camp for anti-Obama message board posts? Yes, yes, use Barry, or Sotero, or B. Hussein Obama... or if you want to be more subtle BHO.... or NOBAMA, or Osama Bin Biden... you won't see anyone here trumpeting MCSAME or that shit, it just makes you look childish.

You posted that Palin pic out of "outrage", just like Drudge did.

When Ms. Backwards B first came you, you linked it and said in fake outrage "If this was a white person doing this to a black person, they would RIOT!".... so don't talk to me about fake outrage.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:50 AM

I don't think outrage is fake when you have reports of people yelling KILL HIM, TERRORIST, TRAITOR, ARAB. I'd be pretty fucking pissed if people yelled shit like that about me too.
.

"Kill Him" was a false report cooked up by a reporter.

A.J.

10-27-2008, 06:51 AM

Some of my best friends are contractors and I am an ex-contractor so no offense to the decent Beltway Bandits on ronfez.net.

None taken. I was just having with you...at the taxpayer's expense of course!

A.J.

10-27-2008, 06:52 AM

Barry has showed fake outrage

What is Marion Barry pissed about now?

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 06:53 AM

"Kill Him" was a false report cooked up by a reporter.

That's one debunked compared to numerous others verified and caught on tape. You keep clinging to that one like it debunks all the other ones.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:53 AM

What is Marion Barry pissed about now?

Brilliant

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 06:53 AM

"Kill Him" was a false report cooked up by a reporter.

TERRORIST, ARAB, TRAITOR

Wouldn't you be a bit outraged at the time if that was being yelled about you?

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:54 AM

That's one debunked compared to numerous others verified and caught on tape. You keep clinging to that one like it debunks all the other ones.

Where on tape? The Secret Service claimed the report was false. I would believe them over a hack reporter.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:55 AM

TERRORIST, ARAB, TRAITOR

Wouldn't you be a bit outraged at the time if that was being yelled about you?

People yell terrible things out about McCain. I have said this time and time again. At political rallies, you will find strange people on both sides. You find radicals in both parties and for the most part, people that go to these things are certainly weird.

And your answer from me is yes and thats why I will never run for office.

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 06:55 AM

Where on tape? The Secret Service claimed the report was false. I would believe them over a hack reporter.

I'm convinced you're a board character at this point.

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 06:55 AM

"Kill Him" was a false report cooked up by a reporter.

Type in Kill Him on Youtube. You'll see a lot.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 06:57 AM

Obama insighting hate

http://llnw.image.cbslocal.com/18/2008/10/27/175x131/Palin.jpg

How did he "incite" such a thing?

Main Entry: in·cite
Pronunciation: \in-ˈsīt\
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): in·cit·ed; in·cit·ing
Etymology: Middle French inciter, from Latin incitare, from in- + citare to put in motion — more at cite
Date: 15th century
: to move to action : stir up : spur on : urge on
— in·cit·ant \-ˈsī-tənt\ noun
— in·cite·ment \-ˈsīt-mənt\ noun
— in·cit·er noun
synonyms incite , instigate , abet , foment mean to spur to action. incite stresses a stirring up and urging on, and may or may not imply initiating <inciting a riot>. instigate definitely implies responsibility for initiating another's action and often connotes underhandedness or evil intention <instigated a conspiracy>. abet implies both assisting and encouraging <aiding and abetting the enemy>. foment implies persistence in goading <fomenting rebellion>.

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 06:57 AM

People yell terrible things out about McCain. I have said this time and time again. At political rallies, you will find strange people on both sides. You find radicals in both parties and for the most part, people that go to these things are certainly weird.

And your answer from me is yes and thats why I will never run for office.

Didn't McCain very explicitly bring up his own "outrage" during at least one of the debates?

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 06:58 AM

I'm convinced you're a board character at this point.
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 06:59 AM

Where on tape? The Secret Service claimed the report was false. I would believe them over a hack reporter.

Holy crap. You have the holy grail of McCain himself face to face with a woman saying he's an Arab. You have at LEAST dozens of interviews with people spouting any number of the slurs and attacks Missy is talking about. You can't honestly be ignoring all of that.

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 07:00 AM

http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

And Mojo wasn't talking about "kill him". He was talking about all of the other things shouted that were caught on tape.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:00 AM

The man who reported the claim:

http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/castcrew/character_season05/character/scotttempleton.jpg

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:00 AM

http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

You're clinging to a single example to debunk at least dozens of others that can easily be verified. It's looking ridiculous.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:02 AM

And Mojo wasn't talking about "kill him". He was talking about all of the other things shouted that were caught on tape.

I dont disagree that bad things are said by weird people. Like ive said before if you want to find weirdos, go to a political rally on either side.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:06 AM

I dont disagree that bad things are said by weird people. Like ive said before if you want to find weirdos, go to a political rally on either side.

But you called it "false outrage". My point is, it's NOT. Obama has every right to be outraged over the gross shit people say about him.

You wanna talk false outrage, go look for the video of the McCain camp after the "lipstick on a pig" business.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:07 AM

I dont disagree that bad things are said by weird people. Like ive said before if you want to find weirdos, go to a political rally on either side.

This is beyond the usual "weirdos."

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 07:07 AM

If anyone is looking for an easy Halloween costume this year, I would recommend dressing as the backwards B girl.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:07 AM

This is beyond the usual "weirdos."

So you are saying what then? that this is a coordinated attack by the RNC, McCain, and other powers that be?

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:09 AM

But you called it "false outrage". My point is, it's NOT. Obama has every right to be outraged over the gross shit people say about him.

You wanna talk false outrage, go look for the video of the McCain camp after the "lipstick on a pig" business.

Yes they were both fake to try to score political points. It is false outrage.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:11 AM

Yes they were both fake to try to score political points. It is false outrage.

ARAB, TERRORIST, TRAITOR is not fake outrage.

No, no m'aam, he's not an arab, he's a good family man.:wink:

booster11373

10-27-2008, 07:13 AM

JerseySeanHannity would be a great board character

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 07:13 AM

I bet they were. Just like Obama and Biden and all of the false reports about "kill him", etc. Just stop crying.

Yeah umm, I posted videos earlier in this thread with uhhh... Someone shouting ummm... Kill him, and other things at a McCain rally... So umm, yeah.

"Kill Him" was a false report cooked up by a reporter.

See above.

Where on tape? The Secret Service claimed the report was false. I would believe them over a hack reporter.

Yeah, see up above the see above.

I'm convinced you're a board character at this point.

Me too.

http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/Secret_Service_says_Kill_him_allegation_unfounded_ .html

Well, one down at least.

Holy crap. You have the holy grail of McCain himself face to face with a woman saying he's an Arab. You have at LEAST dozens of interviews with people spouting any number of the slurs and attacks Missy is talking about. You can't honestly be ignoring all of that.

Yes he is.

You're clinging to a single example to debunk at least dozens of others that can easily be verified. It's looking ridiculous.
Yes he is.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:13 AM

ARAB, TERRORIST, TRAITOR is not fake outrage.

No, no m'aam, he's not an arab, he's a good family man.:wink:

Who said those words, people in an audience? Is this guy that thin skinned? Are you kidding?

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:14 AM

So you are saying what then? that this is a coordinated attack by the RNC, McCain, and other powers that be?

I said absolutely nothing of the sort. What Obama is doing is drawing out excessive vitriol from some of the population opposed to him, these people are showing up at GOP rallies and functions and spouting off their extreme rhetoric and the GOP, for the most part, is doing zilch to squash it or denounce it (outside of McCain that one time he couldn't pretend like he didn't hear it when it was literally right in front of his face). They're tolerating their opponent being called an "Arab" or a "Muslim" or a "terrorist." This is well beyond the usual sniping rhetoric that goes on.

Recyclerz

10-27-2008, 07:15 AM

The man who reported the claim:

http://www.hbo.com/thewire/img/castcrew/character_season05/character/scotttempleton.jpg

I disagree with JerseySean and 99% of the arguments he's making on the board but that's pretty funny right there.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:16 AM

Who said those words, people in an audience? Is this guy that thin skinned? Are you kidding?

So you think he should just ignore what has happened at these rallies? He absolutely should have addressed it and did. Palin's ridiculous attacks whipped their supporters up into a frenzy that incited this. And then if Obama ignored it, it would have been "see - he won't even say he's not a terrorist".

Not false outrage - simply addressing the ridiculous shit that is being said about him at rallies after McCain claimed he was going to run a clean campaign.

Palin fucked your shit up. Big time.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:18 AM

Who said those words, people in an audience? Is this guy that thin skinned? Are you kidding?

Thin-skinned? Really? Because he has darker skin, a "funny" name and is on the Left, it's OK to accuse of him being a terrorist. The tolerated implication is basically that the Democrats are running a member of Al-Quada.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:19 AM

I said absolutely nothing of the sort. What Obama is doing is drawing out excessive vitriol from some of the population opposed to him, these people are showing up at GOP rallies and functions and spouting off their extreme rhetoric and the GOP, for the most part, is doing zilch to squash it or denounce it (outside of McCain that one time he couldn't pretend like he didn't hear it when it was literally right in front of his face). They're tolerating their opponent being called an "Arab" or a "Muslim" or a "terrorist." This is well beyond the usual sniping rhetoric that goes on.

Again, who cares. Why is a Presidential candidate whining about that. This is American politics. If you want decency in politics, go to Sweden. Why would you stop it, honestly. But I cant understand why Obama would harp on it. Its fake outrage. noone has threated to kill Obama and if they had, theyd be in cuffs. What is McCain, going to make the biggest talking point in his campaign, please dont insult my opponent? He did it once and did it forcefully.

I just hope that these wackos are throwing eggs at his limo on inauguration day.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:19 AM

Here's another example - watch till about :39... can you make out what the lovely woman yelled, that Palin didn't even address?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:24 AM

Here's another example - watch till about :39... can you make out what the lovely woman yelled, that Palin didn't even address?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE

I dont know that Palin heard that. When you are standing at a podium you cant always hear what someone is screaming when you are talking. Come on now. Plus politically, I wouldnt say anything either. That would then be the story of the day instead of my message. Why give an idiot the notoriety.

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 07:27 AM

Again, who cares. Why is a Presidential candidate whining about that. This is American politics. If you want decency in politics, go to Sweden. Why would you stop it, honestly. But I cant understand why Obama would harp on it. Its fake outrage. noone has threated to kill Obama and if they had, theyd be in cuffs. What is McCain, going to make the biggest talking point in his campaign, please dont insult my opponent? He did it once and did it forcefully.

I just hope that these wackos are throwing eggs at his limo on inauguration day.

So what's your point? If it's false outrage, McCain's certainly doing it as well (lipstick on a pig, calling for Obama to interject at the debate when things are said about McCain during rallies). Why are you singling out Obama for this? If your point is the outrage over the press picking up on the idiot hanging Obama in effigy, is it really different from the coverage backwards B girl got when the story first broke? As you admit, both parties have fringe elements. Why are you targeting Obama and the Democrats?

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:31 AM

So what's your point? If it's false outrage, McCain's certainly doing it as well (lipstick on a pig, calling for Obama to interject at the debate when things are said about McCain during rallies). Why are you singling out Obama for this? If your point is the outrage over the press picking up on the idiot hanging Obama in effigy, is it really different from the coverage backwards B girl got when the story first broke? As you admit, both parties have fringe elements. Why are you targeting Obama and the Democrats?

Obama has certainly run with the crazy McCain supporters angle more than the other way. Im really not targeting Obama more. I posted the hanging Palin pic just to show that it goes both ways and it is a bogus argument. McCains argument during the debate was a retort, a political move in reaction to claims going the other way. Obama talks about this "new" kind of politics, yet he has run more negative ads than anyone in history and released a BRUTAL radio ad today. So stop the pretending and fight this thing out.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:31 AM

Again, who cares. Why is a Presidential candidate whining about that. This is American politics. If you want decency in politics, go to Sweden.

Ridiciulous. This is an ongoing pattern of behavior well beyond even the usual lows of American politics. Uusally we have one or two "OMG, DID THAT JUST HAPPEN?!?" moments per cycle, but this is a continuing string of occurances to the point that it's just expected and sad. If YOU want to tolerate it and accept that it's essentialy the people claiming to be of your political persuasion driving it into the ground, be my guest.

Why would you stop it, honestly.

Because they're hateful lies that have zero basis in reality.

But I cant understand why Obama would harp on it.

He's not.

Its fake outrage.

AKA "I'm not bothered by it, so it doesn't count."

noone has threated to kill Obama and if they had, theyd be in cuffs.

You have zero idea what kind of threats have shown up. Neither of us do. Given the population and how whackadoos are attracted to people on thios level and view presidents and presidential candidates and the unfortunate history of people going after presidents and candidates, I guarentee you BOTH candidates have received serious threats to their safety. There is, however, a difference between those types of fringe threats and tolerating an atmosphere of ugly and hateful slander at major rallies because a campaign has gone off the rails.

What is McCain, going to make the biggest talking point in his campaign, please dont insult my opponent? He did it once and did it forcefully.

He countered that one woman's specific point vaguely ("he's a good man," as if someone who is Arab or Muslim couldn't possibly be that) and said nothing about anything else.

I just hope that these wackos are throwing eggs at his limo on inauguration day.

Of course you do.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:31 AM

I dont know that Palin heard that. When you are standing at a podium you cant always hear what someone is screaming when you are talking. Come on now. Plus politically, I wouldnt say anything either. That would then be the story of the day instead of my message. Why give an idiot the notoriety.

She looks flustered when he says it.

Why say something?? #1 - because it's disgusting and unacceptable. #2 - To stop being accused of riling everyone up at your rallies.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:33 AM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:33 AM

She looks flustered when he says it.

Why say something?? #1 - because it's disgusting and unacceptable. #2 - To stop being accused of riling everyone up at your rallies.

she did look flustered. She probably heard it but wasnt sure about it. Kind of like a "did someone really just yell that out"? But I wouldnt respond anyway so I cant blame her. the lipstick on a pig thing, came from the audiences reaction. Obama didnt mean to call Palin a pig, but that is what the audience got out of it. My point is lets stop all the crying and move forward.

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:35 AM

she did look flustered. She probably heard it but wasnt sure about it. Kind of like a "did someone really just yell that out"? But I wouldnt respond anyway so I cant blame her. the lipstick on a pig thing, came from the audiences reaction. Obama didnt mean to call Palin a pig, but that is what the audience got out of it. My point is lets stop all the crying and move forward.

Move forward to what?

If some gross racist asshole says something ridiculous, yep, I'm gonna post it up so we can all point and laugh. Those people (and their leader Palin) are the ones destroying McCain's chances.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:35 AM

Obama has certainly run with the crazy McCain supporters angle more than the other way. Im really not targeting Obama more. I posted the hanging Palin pic just to show that it goes both ways and it is a bogus argument. McCains argument during the debate was a retort, a political move in reaction to claims going the other way. Obama talks about this "new" kind of politics, yet he has run more negative ads than anyone in history and released a BRUTAL radio ad today. So stop the pretending and fight this thing out.

So Obama has said things about his opponent equivalent to him being called a terrorist or a "secret Muslim." You can go to Democratic rallies and stumble over people shouting out, while the canidate is speaking, things along the line of what is being said about Obama at McCain and (especially) Palin's rallies.

Back that up. If it's happening to anywhere the same degree as with the GOP rallies, this should be easy.

And the stupid Palin dummy "proves" nothing. We're all talking about people screaming hateful rhetoric at rallies and speeches and it being tolerated and (in Palin's case) basically encouraged, and you counter it with some idiot who puts up something at their home which has ZERO to do with anything going down at the Democratic rallies or functions.

And what's so "BRUTAL" about the new radio ad?

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 07:36 AM

Obama talks about this "new" kind of politics, yet he has run more negative ads than anyone in history and released a BRUTAL radio ad today. So stop the pretending and fight this thing out.
That is such an inaccurate statement I have no will or want to even bother arguing it.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 07:37 AM

And what's so "BRUTAL" about the new radio ad?
He's probably playing McCain's audio from this...

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JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:37 AM

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5glxLRJGYXl2qCzirOL_o5HIuXamAD93MEJV80

For the record, says Goldstein, since June 4, 47% of McCain ads have been pure attack ads and another 27% have been mix of positive messages about McCain and negative messages about Obama. That means roughly three-quarters of the McCain ads have contained negative information about Obama.

As for Obama, 35% of his ads have been pure attack ads, while 25% have been a mix of positive and negative, meaning 60% of Obama's ads have contained negative information about McCain.

Obama has 4 times as much money as McCain. He has run a higher number of negative ads.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:38 AM

Obama has 4 times as much money as McCain. He has run a higher number of negative ads.

Because he has run a higher number of ads in total. Hence why he has more negative AND non-negative ads.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:40 AM

So Obama has said things about his opponent equivalent to him being called a terrorist or a "secret Muslim." You can go to Democratic rallies and stumble over people shouting out, while the canidate is speaking, things along the line of what is being said about Obama at McCain and (especially) Palin's rallies.

Back that up. If it's happening to anywhere the same degree as with the GOP rallies, this should be easy.

And the stupid Palin dummy "proves" nothing. We're all talking about people screaming hateful rhetoric at rallies and speeches and it being tolerated and (in Palin's case) basically encouraged, and you counter it with some idiot who puts up something at their home which has ZERO to do with anything going down at the Democratic rallies or functions.

And what's so "BRUTAL" about the new radio ad?

Who called him a secret muslim, McCain? Palin? who? Im saying get over it. Are you gonna cry when eggs pelt Obamas motorcade on inauguration day too? Stop it.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:41 AM

Because he has run a higher number of ads in total. Hence why he has more negative AND non-negative ads.

Thats not indicitave of a "new" era of politics. It shows what a good "politician" Obama is that he can talk out of both sides of his mouth like that.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:45 AM

Who called him a secret muslim, McCain? Palin? who? Im saying get over it. Are you gonna cry when eggs pelt Obamas motorcade on inauguration day too? Stop it.

"Fake outrage."

"Get over it."

"Are you gonna cry?"

So, in short, you've run out of terrible examples to counter what we're bringing up, so you're just going to accuse everyone of being crybabies.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 07:46 AM

Thats not indicitave of a "new" era of politics. It shows what a good "politician" Obama is that he can talk out of both sides of his mouth like that.

Can you give a straight response to any argument here without spinning it to something different?

HBox

10-27-2008, 07:47 AM

He's probably playing McCain's audio from this...

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What she really wanted to ask:

"So, like, my Dad's a doctor and I'm always like "You can afford to buy me a BMW if you didn't hate me!" But he bought me a Lexus because he hates me and he's a bastard and he says he can't afford to get me a BMW because of taxes and junk. So, like, could you totally fix this and shit so I don't have to ride around like low-class trash in a Lexus because it's totally embarrassing and junk."

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 07:49 AM

Obama has 4 times as much money as McCain. He has run a higher number of negative ads.

:wallbash:
Yes, because he has ran MORE ads. Percentage wise - that crown goes to McCain.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:50 AM

:wallbash:
Yes, because he has ran MORE ads. Percentage wise - that crown goes to McCain.

Obama is claiming a ""new" era in politics. McCain isnt. And Obama isnt too far behind in wearing that crown. He is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 07:54 AM

Obama is claiming a ""new" era in politics. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:55 AM

"Fake outrage."

"Get over it."

"Are you gonna cry?"

So, in short, you've run out of terrible examples to counter what we're bringing up, so you're just going to accuse everyone of being crybabies.

No im saying there is no reason for the conversation. Obama and McCain should say, we are going to beat the piss out of eachother and let the best man win. And stop crying about "someone at your rally said this:, somebody hung that"., Shut up and win the campaign.

yojimbo7248

10-27-2008, 07:57 AM

What she really wanted to ask:

"So, like, my Dad's a doctor and I'm always like "You can afford to buy me a BMW if you didn't hate me!" But he bought me a Lexus because he hates me and he's a bastard and he says he can't afford to get me a BMW because of taxes and junk. So, like, could you totally fix this and shit so I don't have to ride around like low-class trash in a Lexus because it's totally embarrassing and junk."

I seriously think we should re-introduce the draft and hearing college students like her just confirms it for me. I wouldn't want to dilute the MOS's that require training and more of a warrior spirit but she could be driving a truck in Baghdad or maybe dishing out food at a chow hall.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 07:59 AM

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:00 AM

No im saying there is no reason for the conversation.

So, once again, since you don't wat to hear it, there's "no reason" for it.

And stop crying about "someone at your rally said this:, somebody hung that".

....

You pointlessly brought up the bolded part to unsuccessfully counter wha the rest of us have been talking about.

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 08:02 AM

Are you gonna cry when eggs pelt Obamas motorcade on inauguration day too? Stop it.

That happened to Bush.

It won't happen to Obama.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:04 AM

So, once again, since you don't wat to hear it, there's "no reason" for it.

no I am fundamentally opposed to whining about negative campaigning or about weird things being said by wackos in the audience. Here is one of Obamas biggest supporters saying Bush is a terrorist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10767465/

But who cares?

Who give a shit. Get over it. When you put yourself in the public eye like that, its gonna get nasty. You live in Chicago, are you kidding? Ive seen worse said in State Senate campaigns in NJ and Louisiana. We are such babies nowadays

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:08 AM

no I am fundamentally opposed to whining about negative campaigning or about weird things being said by wackos in the audience. Here is one of Obamas biggest supporters saying Bush is a terrorist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10767465/

Just stop. STOP.

We're talking about continued tolerance (and in Palin's case, all but encouraging) of hateful garbage being screamed out again and again and again at GOP rallies and functions, and all you can counter with are people nowhere near any kind of Democratic rally spouting off. I'S NOT THE SAME THING. YOU'RE NOT CONTRASTING OUR EXAMPLES WITH ANYTHING COMPARABLE.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:11 AM

Just stop. STOP.

We're talking about continued tolerance (and in Palin's case, all but encouraging) of hateful garbage being screamed out again and again and again at GOP rallies and functions, and all you can counter with are people nowhere near any kind of Democratic rally spouting off. I'S NOT THE SAME THING. YOU'RE NOT CONTRASTING OUR EXAMPLES WITH ANYTHING COMPARABLE.
Im not countering, I am pointing out how dumb the argument is. Ive pointed out why it would be dumb to respond to every ridiculous thing yelled out at McCain rallies. So stop it dude. Move on.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 08:11 AM

no I am fundamentally opposed to whining about negative campaigning or about weird things being said by wackos in the audience. Here is one of Obamas biggest supporters saying Bush is a terrorist.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10767465/

But who cares?

Who give a shit. Get over it. When you put yourself in the public eye like that, its gonna get nasty. You live in Chicago, are you kidding? Ive seen worse said in State Senate campaigns in NJ and Louisiana. We are such babies nowadays
Bush a terrorist? Is this 2006?

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:13 AM

Im not countering, I am pointing out how dumb the argument is. Ive pointed out why it would be dumb to respond to every ridiculous thing yelled out at McCain rallies. So stop it dude. Move on.

Nobody is asking or telling anyone to "respond to every ridiculous thing." You're not pointing out how dumb anything is except your own prolonging of this by countering all of our points with absolutely nothing comparable.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:22 AM

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mccain_slams_ob_3.html

Scary

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 08:24 AM

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mccain_slams_ob_3.html

Scary

So nice you had to post it twice?

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:37 AM

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/10/mccain_slams_ob_3.html

Scary

It's very telling that you move from just posting the video to linking to an article about it that actually debunks the charges, by giving us the transcript of the quote in its full context and then this update:

UPDATE: The Obama campaign is responding by sending around a report from Politico in which Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor who is advising Obama, downplays the remarks as law professor-speak.

Politico reports:

"Sunstein argued that Obama is discussing redistribution in a relatively narrow legal context: The discussion in the 1970s of whether the Supreme Court would create the right to a social safety net -- to things like education and welfare. He also noted that in the interview, Obama appears to express support for the court's rejection of that line of argument, saying instead that the civil rights movement should aim for the same goals through legislative action.

"What the critics are missing is that the term 'redistribution' didn’t mean in the Constitutional context equalized wealth or anything like that. It meant some positive rights, most prominently the right to education, and also the right to a lawyer," Sunstein said. "What he’s saying – this is the irony of it – he’s basically taking the side of the conservatives then and now against the liberals."

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 08:40 AM

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IMSlacker

10-27-2008, 08:42 AM

I miss Shower Bench.

celery

10-27-2008, 08:46 AM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:46 AM

It's very telling that you move from just posting the video to linking to an article about it that actually debunks the charges, by giving us the transcript of the quote in its full context and then this update:

I saw that, thats why i "reposted" it. Unlike you, Im trying to be intellectually honest here. If you listen to that, it is clearly off base and trying to parse words. I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but here is where Sunstein is wrong. Obama clearly uses the term, "redistribution of WEALTH".

What the critics are missing is that the term 'redistribution' didn’t mean in the Constitutional context equalized wealth or anything like that. It meant some positive rights, most prominently the right to education, and also the right to a lawyer

This gentleman has a legitimate argument, but given the fact that Obama wants to send checks to people who dont pay taxes, doesnt bode well for the constitutional argument. Moreover, from a political perspective, good luck explaining that to the electorate.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:47 AM

Drudge is just linking to the video as well, not the article.

Exactly. It speaks to one's arguing tactics if they're not even paying attention to everything they're linking to.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:48 AM

Drudge is posting the full article as well, but I bet he takes it down now that the update debunks it.

he has the article there

celery

10-27-2008, 08:48 AM

I saw that, thats why i "reposted" it. Unlike you, Im trying to be intellectually honest here. If you listen to that, it is clearly off base and trying to parse words. I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but here is where Sunstein is wrong. Obama clearly uses the term, "redistribution of WEALTH".

This gentleman has a legitimate argument, but given the fact that Obama wants to send checks to people who dont pay taxes, doesnt bode well for the constitutional argument. Moreover, from a political perspective, good luck explaining that to the electorate.

You reposted it with the word "scary" below it.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:49 AM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:49 AM

You reposted it with the word "scary" below it.

I reposted it with an article link the second time.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:50 AM

I reposted it with an article link the second time.

Honestly, you're not very good at this.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:51 AM

It's amazing you completely reject the context of this quote yet defended McCain's comments from when he last ran for prez, which are MUCH closer to what you're trying to be afraid of than Obama's 2001 quote.

No Mccain is talking about the need for a progressive tax. which I agree with and which is consistant to what he is saying now. Obama is saying, lets RAISE the rate. McCain is saying, lets cut EVERYONE's rate who pays taxes.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:52 AM

Honestly, you're not very good at this.

Are you kidding? Because i reposted more information the second time. Are you kidding?

ChrisTheCop

10-27-2008, 08:53 AM

Okay Barack.. I'll be watching on Wednesday. Last chance to give me a reason to vote for you other than youre not a republican. DO IT!

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:56 AM

Are you kidding? Because i reposted more information the second time. Are you kidding?

Because your repeated "scary" comment cleary shows you were intending it to be a slam, and now you're trying to spin it as some kind of "evenhanded" commentary on your part because the article ultimately doesn't back up what you were trying to get across.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 08:57 AM

Okay Barack.. I'll be watching on Wednesday. Last chance to give me a reason to vote for you other than youre not a republican. DO IT!

Why would that suddenly happen? If that's your summation of who he is and his campaign, why would anything change this late in the game? The information is out there and has been out there for months now.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 08:59 AM

Because your repeated "scary" comment cleary shows you were intending it to be a slam, and now you're trying to spin it as some kind of "evenhanded" commentary on your part because the article ultimately doesn't back up what you were trying to get across.

It does though. I read the article. It is scary. Obama clearly believes in redistribution of wealth. His tax plan indicated that. How can you get a "tax rebate" if you dont pay taxes? That is redistribution.

My fears are now that he will appoint justices that will try to advocate that from the bench. We have that problem in New Jersey and between that and total Democrat control, we are drowning here. Obama's ideological dream has been realized here in NJ and it has proven to be a disaster.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 09:00 AM

We've been around this already.

celery

10-27-2008, 09:01 AM

he has the article there

Yeah, I was mistaken - he's still posting the full article.

ChrisTheCop

10-27-2008, 09:02 AM

Why would that suddenly happen? If that's your summation of who he is and his campaign, why would anything change this late in the game? The information is out there and has been out there for months now.

I want to hear him and see him say it. Make his promises to my face.
Last time he was asked a direct question, that I saw, was on 60 minutes:

"What will you do you first week in office?"

"I'll sit down with my cabinet, and figure out what we're gonna do with health care...what we're gonna do with Iraq and Afghanistan....etc..."

Your first week is not when I want you to come up with your miracles! Your supporters have been telling me you already have plans! Tell me what they are!!!

(fyi--the above quotes are paraphrased... dont jump all over me because he mentioned Afghanistan BEFORE Iraq!)

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 09:07 AM

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 09:14 AM

I enjoyed Missy and I's Master Chief vs Gordon Freeman arguement much more

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 09:18 AM

I enjoyed Missy and I's Master Chief vs Gordon Freeman arguement much more

Master Chief is a secret Muslim.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 09:32 AM

Master Chief is a secret Muslim.

Terrorist.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 09:33 AM

Terrorist.

You know who else is a terrorist, this chick.

who?

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 09:39 AM

who?
Shit isn't there NSFW tags here?

Oh well, all the chicks on the left of this (http://www.collegehumor.com/governingbodies) page.

AKA

10-27-2008, 11:42 AM

I suspect that the Republican's fake outrage over supposed fake outrage is because they weren't able to successfully swift boat Obama like they all were hoping for. I'm finding myself finally enjoying this election and looking forward to next week.

And an Obama inauguration will be much different from Bush's first day. (http://www.publicwitnessmovie.com)

:smile:

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 11:53 AM

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 11:55 AM

Barry will get the eggs.

You're planning to be there?

booster11373

10-27-2008, 11:55 AM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 11:56 AM

You're planning to be there?

I do have rooms booked for a McCain inauguration. But if its Barry, no I wont be there.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 11:58 AM

Im pro-Obama, hell Ive all ready voted for him twice :tongue:

North Carolina does not look like Obama country at least where I live which is a fairly progressive part of NC, just judging from the signs in peoples yards its 6 to 1 McCain.

Which got me thinking about what kind of fire will these "Christian" conservative preachers will light under their followers if (fingers crossed) Obama gets elected?

I think you are wrong. One of the biggest things about Obama, is that he a strong Christian. I dont know anyone that questions that he has a strong faith and belief system. If Obama presses on abortion stuff, then yes. But that is unlikely to happen. My guess is that the Christian right doesn hate Obama like they should.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:02 PM

FYI-Ted Stevens, guilty

booster11373

10-27-2008, 12:02 PM

I think you are wrong. One of the biggest things about Obama, is that he a strong Christian. I dont know anyone that questions that he has a strong faith and belief system. If Obama presses on abortion stuff, then yes. But that is unlikely to happen. My guess is that the Christian right doesn hate Obama like they should.

you have got to be kidding me

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 12:02 PM

My guess is that the Christian right doesn hate Obama like they should.

Like. They. Should.

Even as someone who thinks the Christian right are loopy primitives, your "guess" is the epitome of ignorance.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:03 PM

you have got to be kidding me

I think that you are mistaking "conservatives" for Christian right. There is a difference. Ask Scott

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:04 PM

Like. They. Should.

Even as someone who thinks the Christian right are loopy primitives, your "guess" is the epitome of ignorance.

how so?

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 12:05 PM

Barry will get the eggs.
Code?

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 12:06 PM

how so?

Wow that made me laugh. Nice work. It's at the expense of whatever kind of education you had, but yea, nice work.

booster11373

10-27-2008, 12:07 PM

I think that you are mistaking "conservatives" for Christian right. There is a difference. Ask Scott

what ever you say, but the loudest and most public face of today's republican party are the "Christian" conservative bunch hence until I see different that's what a republican is to me

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:08 PM

what ever you say, but the loudest and most public face of today's republican party are the "Christian" conservative bunch hence until I see different that's what a republican is to me

If that were the case, Huckabee or Thompson would be the nominee. there is a HUGE difference.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 12:12 PM

I do have rooms booked for a McCain inauguration. But if its Barry, no I wont be there.

It was touched on earlier, but why do so many Obama opponents insists on the childish dig of calling him "Barry?" I see people do this on numerous political sites ad it aways seems so pointless and petty. You don't see people on the other side constantly using cheesy names for McCain in the same way. What's the point?

booster11373

10-27-2008, 12:14 PM

If that were the case, Huckabee or Thompson would be the nominee. there is a HUGE difference.

They form the base, they dictate the party planks, they have Bush's ear with regards to policy and appointments, The forced McCain to adapt to their ideals in order to get the nomination, They run the party

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:14 PM

It was touched on earlier, but why do so many Obama opponents insists on the childish dig of calling him "Barry?" I see people do this on numerous political sites ad it aways seems so pointless and petty. You don't see people on the other side constantly using cheesy names for McCain in the same way. What's the point?

I do it to bust balls. But, Obama went by the alias, Barry Soetoro. John McCain never had an alias.

booster11373

10-27-2008, 12:15 PM

It was touched on earlier, but why do so many Obama opponents insists on the childish dig of calling him "Barry?" I see people do this on numerous political sites ad it aways seems so pointless and petty. You don't see people on the other side constantly using cheesy names for McCain in the same way. What's the point?

They most likely heard some right wing radio hack call him that and............

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 12:16 PM

What's the point?

It's what they're told to do. They're ditto heads that think they know what people should think. They see a group of people and assign feelings and thoughts without any clue as to what really matters in these people's lives. They make guesses without any input. They yell. They point. They call all that is different, names. Not much of a point.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:17 PM

They form the base, they dictate the party planks, they have Bush's ear with regards to policy and appointments, The forced McCain to adapt to their ideals in order to get the nomination, They run the party

McCain didnt adapt anything. He has always been 100% pro-life. always been against gay marriage, etc. They do NOT run the party. Look at the RNC leadership, top operative, etc. Is Karl Rove a Christian conservative? fuck no, he referrs to them a knuckledraggers. You are off base there.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 12:20 PM

I do it to bust balls. But, Obama went by the alias, Barry Soetoro. John McCain never had an alias.

It really undercuts any point you want to make.

And he "went by an alias?" Give me a break. "Soetoro" was the name of his stepfather and "Barry" was a nickname he went by at times to fit in better with people around him, not a weird idea at all for someone wanting to make friends when they're younger and feeling that their birthname clearly sets them apart from people. The way you put it clearly tries to make it something nefarious and is really silly.

booster11373

10-27-2008, 12:24 PM

McCain didnt adapt anything. He has always been 100% pro-life. always been against gay marriage, etc. They do NOT run the party. Look at the RNC leadership, top operative, etc. Is Karl Rove a Christian conservative? fuck no, he referrs to them a knuckledraggers. You are off base there.

And yet he came running when ever any of those knuckledraggers called with concerns about policy or an appointment, he made sure to call them when ever policy was being made that might upset them gave them unbefore known input on heath and legal issues

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:27 PM

And yet he came running when ever any of those knuckledraggers called with concerns about policy or an appointment, he made sure to call them when ever policy was being made that might upset them gave them unbefore known input on heath and legal issues

All I am saying is dont stereotype, there is a distinction to be made between Republicans and "Christian Right".

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:27 PM

It really undercuts any point you want to make.

And he "went by an alias?" Give me a break. "Soetoro" was the name of his stepfather and "Barry" was a nickname he went by at times to fit in better with people around him, not a weird idea at all for someone wanting to make friends when they're younger and feeling that their birthname clearly sets them apart from people. The way you put it clearly tries to make it something nefarious and is really silly.

Why do you take it so personally? People called Reagan, Ronny. Calm down

NickyL0885

10-27-2008, 12:29 PM

MSNBC is reporting that the ATF has disrupted a skinhead plot to assassinate Barack Obama.

I'll try to find a link. But it goes to show how fucked up this country is. We are so far behind in terms of culture. We cant even elect a non-white person with out people wanting to kill him before he does anything. This is why we are laughed at all over the world.

celery

10-27-2008, 12:31 PM

Why do you take it so personally? People called Reagan, Ronny. Calm down

You just said you're doing it to bust balls.

Don't intentionally annoy people, then act surprised when people get annoyed.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:31 PM

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 12:31 PM

They form the base, they dictate the party planks, they have Bush's ear with regards to policy and appointments, The forced McCain to adapt to their ideals in order to get the nomination, They run the party

Its funny you say that while the Dems pander to minorities but that never gets brought up. And they run the party whats next are the Majestic 12 the real rulers of this New World Order

Get a Clue

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 12:32 PM

You just said you're doing it to bust balls.

Don't intentionally annoy people, then act surprised when people get annoyed.

How about you not be so sensitive to it

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 12:33 PM

How about you not be so sensitive to it

We cant blaspheme the "Chosen One"

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 12:51 PM

So, yet again, no reasonable response can be thought of, so we're told to "get over it" or "calm down" or "not be so sensitive."

Remarkable debate tactics we've got going here.

epo

10-27-2008, 12:52 PM

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 12:54 PM

So, yet again, no reasonable response can be thought of, so we're told to "get over it" or "calm down" or "not be so sensitive."

Remarkable debate tactics we've got going here.

Arguin with him is like tellin your balls to stop looking so down

LET IT BE KNOWN

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 12:54 PM

Its funny you say that while the Dems pander to minorities but that never gets brought up.

Actually, the Democratic party actually does very little for minorities outside of pandering for their vote over the last 30 years or so. Ironically, wih a black president, I think the Democrats will do even less for minorities. That's one of my biggest gripes with the party...the Republicans tend to demonize minorities and cast them aside whereas the Democrats talk a good game but ultimately also largely cast them aside. Minorities get dicked over by both major parties at the end of the day.

celery

10-27-2008, 12:56 PM

How about you not be so sensitive to it

It honestly doesn't bother me. I'm just pointing out another inconsistency in his rhetoric.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 12:58 PM

I wouldnt call the will of some dopey skinheads the face of America.

I agree. There are always individuals or groups that basically want to kill any president. Sure, Obama is probably going to draw some more in regards to race hatred, but I'd argue most of those people willing to go THAT far over his race probably would have no problem offing almost any prez we've had for a long while in the first place. Assassination plots and attempts are, unfortunately, nothing unique.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:01 PM

It honestly doesn't bother me. I'm just pointing out another inconsistency in his rhetoric.

Don't bother explaining yourself. Even if you try to respond and question as rationaly and levelheaded as possible, you'll still be told that you're "getting worked up."

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:02 PM

It honestly doesn't bother me. I'm just pointing out another inconsistency in his rhetoric.

It must bother you if you thought enough to post about it

And i find it hilarious that everyone is complaining about aliases when, shocker everyone of us here posts under an alias (well except Kevin but hes banned half the time anyway)

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:04 PM

Actually, the Democratic party actually does very little for minorities outside of pandering for their vote over the last 30 years or so. Ironically, wih a black president, I think the Democrats will do even less for minorities. That's one of my biggest gripes with the party...the Republicans tend to demonize minorities and cast them aside whereas the Democrats talk a good game but ultimately also largely cast them aside. Minorities get dicked over by both major parties at the end of the day.

Not to argue but im 32 so that would be pretty much pandering for my entire life.

And just to give you credit the Repubs pander to the hispanic vote so its not like everyone is guiltless in this situation

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:04 PM

I agree. There are always individuals or groups that basically want to kill any president. Sure, Obama is probably going to draw some more in regards to race hatred, but I'd argue most of those people willing to go THAT far over his race probably would have no problem offing almost any prez we've had for a long while in the first place. Assassination plots and attempts are, unfortunately, nothing unique.

Budday o' mine was an advance man for the RFK campaign and likes to tell us how many guys they found hiding out in tall grass wherever he went.

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:06 PM

So, yet again, no reasonable response can be thought of, so we're told to "get over it" or "calm down" or "not be so sensitive."

Remarkable debate tactics we've got going here.

I think that that is a little bit unfair to say that in reference to me, as i almost never use that response other then that he said people get annoyed by it. You can call Obama by any name it doesnt matter, me i think of him as an empty suit but thats just me

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 01:08 PM

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:09 PM

So, yet again, no reasonable response can be thought of, so we're told to "get over it" or "calm down" or "not be so sensitive."

Remarkable debate tactics we've got going here.

this isnt a debatable issue. You guys are so sensitive to "Barry" and nuts at political rallies. Yet when Obama lies to us all, we are all supposed to pretend that he doesnt talk out of both sides of his mouth.

he talks about ending the Republican politics of fear, but here are some of his own.
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Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:11 PM

Believe it or not, his name isn't really Kevin.

Whoa, i think you just blew my mind

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 01:17 PM

My NAME IS ACTUALLY MELISSA NOT MISSY

There I Admitted It

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:18 PM

It must bother you if you thought enough to post about it

Ridiculous strawman. Posting or discussing something doesn't mean someone has to be "bothered" or worked up over it.

And i find it hilarious that everyone is complaining about aliases when, shocker everyone of us here posts under an alias (well except Kevin but hes banned half the time anyway)

Who is complaining about aliases? I pointed out that it's petty to use a nickname in that way when people are trying to generally have a civil discussion/debate. The person that brought up the idea of "aliases" is the person that is insisting on the using the name as snidely as possible.

For several pages now we're seeing you and Sean continually changing the subject whenever anyone brings up a point or asks a question or complaining about people "freaking out." How hard is it to just stay on any course of discussion?

celery

10-27-2008, 01:22 PM

It must bother you if you thought enough to post about it

And i find it hilarious that everyone is complaining about aliases when, shocker everyone of us here posts under an alias (well except Kevin but hes banned half the time anyway)

Again, who said the name calling bothers me? I'm proving a point that JerseySean is being inconsistent by making these two statements within a couple few minutes of each other:

I do it to bust balls. But, Obama went by the alias, Barry Soetoro. John McCain never had an alias.

Why do you take it so personally? People called Reagan, Ronny. Calm down

Don't bother explaining yourself. Even if you try to respond and question as rationaly and levelheaded as possible, you'll still be told that you're "getting worked up."

Thanks - i'm beginning to see that. :wallbash:

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:23 PM

this isnt a debatable issue. You guys are so sensitive to "Barry" and nuts at political rallies. Yet when Obama lies to us all, we are all supposed to pretend that he doesnt talk out of both sides of his mouth.

This like your greatest hits post.

No response, so you make up the rules and declare something "undebatable" simply because you can't debte it. No response, so everyone you disagree with is just being "too sensitive." No response, so you post a couple of apparently totally unrelated video clips, the first one actually posted by Obama's own campaign and the 2nd some public access-quality gent pontificating and then a political ad. I guess we got served?

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:23 PM

For several pages now we're seeing you and Sean continually changing the subject whenever anyone brings up a point or asks a question or complaining about people "freaking out." How hard is it to just stay on any course of discussion?

OK fine, you guys are being overly sensitive bitches about it. God forbid we take the "chosen One" down a peg or two by calling him by a nickname. I also have called McCain, Johnny Mac, anyone bitch out that? No. Seriously, if you want to set up a "sensitivity training" posting, Ill take it. I dont see you complaining when people refer to Palin as a cunt or bitch or whatever other fucked up names she has been called on this board. Just stop it already or post a youtube video crying and holding a teddy bear.

Ronny Reagan, Jorge Bush, Sara Barracuda, Tricky Dick Nixon. Feel better?

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:24 PM

Ridiculous strawman. Posting or discussing something doesn't mean someone has to be "bothered" or worked up over it.

Who is complaining about aliases? I pointed out that it's petty to use a nickname in that way when people are trying to generally have a civil discussion/debate. The person that brought up the idea of "aliases" is the person that is insisting on the using the name as snidely as possible.

For several pages now we're seeing you and Sean continually changing the subject whenever anyone brings up a point or asks a question or complaining about people "freaking out." How hard is it to just stay on any course of discussion?

Whoa dont lump me in with him, i dont change the point at all in these discussions go back to the last time i posted here in this thread and not once do i change a subject when its something i dont agree on.

And i find it hilarious that calling him "Barry" in anyway detracts from any conversation, and if you look at it that way then yes you are the one with the problem about it. Go through my posts not once did i ever call him "Barry" or anything like that.

But i know i brought up a point about health care that was never answered. And that was how Obama is going to pay for his health care initiatives for anyone making under $250k. If you are a small business what incentive do you have under the Obama plan to have your business grow above $250k if you will then have to provide health care for your workers, when if you stay under $250k the govt will pay for it. I thought it was a valid question when McCain asked Obama that at the third debate and Obama didnt answer it, and i think it is just as valid now.

Dont lump me in with the extreme radical Sean (not that that makes him bad) with what i say

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:25 PM

This like your greatest hits post.

No response, so you make up the rules and declare something "undebatable" simply because you can't debte it. No response, so everyone you disagree with is just being "too sensitive." No response, so you post a couple of apparently totally unrelated video clips, the first one actually posted by Obama's own campaign and the 2nd some public access-quality gent pontificating and then a political ad. I guess we got served?

I just think its laughable that you choose to debate the use of "Barry" yet I never hear you talk about Obama lying to us all every step of the way during this campaign.

Politics of fear....check

Lying about public financing.....check

Lying about his relationship with Ayres......check

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:26 PM

OK fine, you guys are being overly sensitive bitches about it. God forbid we take the "chosen One" down a peg or two by calling him by a nickname. I also have called McCain, Johnny Mac, anyone bitch out that? No. Seriously, if you want to set up a "sensitivity training" posting, Ill take it. I dont see you complaining when people refer to Palin as a cunt or bitch or whatever other fucked up names she has been called on this board. Just stop it already or post a youtube video crying and holding a teddy bear.

Ronny Reagan, Jorge Bush, Sara Barracuda, Tricky Dick Nixon. Feel better?

Wow, meltdown.

I never said you couldn't or shouldn't call him anything you want. I honestly wanted to know the reasoning behind it, and you couldn't even answer that outside of saying you wanted to bust balls. I pushed to see how it was busting balls and you mumbled something ridiculous about "using an alias" and then never touched it again.

Personally, I think it's a silly tactic by people supremely bitter over him having the lead. If you wat to insult him, insult him...calling him "Barry" just seems sackless and petty.

Sorry I broke you.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:26 PM

Dont lump me in with the extreme radical Sean (not that that makes him bad) with what i say

Im an extreme radical? Fuck ....all the conservatives call me a pussy liberal. Man without a home, oh yea, a moderate.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:28 PM

But i know i brought up a point about health care that was never answered. And that was how Obama is going to pay for his health care initiatives for anyone making under $250k. If you are a small business what incentive do you have under the Obama plan to have your business grow above $250k if you will then have to provide health care for your workers, when if you stay under $250k the govt will pay for it. I thought it was a valid question when McCain asked Obama that at the third debate and Obama didnt answer it, and i think it is just as valid now.

They dont answer bad questions about Obama. They ignore them and then pivot to Palin and a moose or something.

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:29 PM

Whoa dont lump me in with him, i dont change the point at all in these discussions go back to the last time i posted here in this thread and not once do i change a subject when its something i dont agree on.

Your latest flurry of posts add nothing and are jumping on the current "stop freaking out" bandwagon Sean is pimping, even thought nobody is actually "freaking out."

And i find it hilarious that calling him "Barry" in anyway detracts from any conversation, and if you look at it that way then yes you are the one with the problem about it.

*Phew!* Good thing I was trying to figure out the reasoning behind it.

Go through my posts not once did i ever call him "Barry" or anything like that.

Never said you did.

Dont lump me in with the extreme radical Sean (not that that makes him bad) with what i say

You were just parroting his silly "stop getting worked up" non-issue. That doesn't make you just like him, but you had no problem playing along over the last page.

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:31 PM

My money's on this being Spoon Gvac or a gussied up Sue_Bender

Sean's the guy who went on IM under 'HootieNBlow' on Sep.12th and spammed LOL!!LOL!! in the compuserve chatrooms

Why does JerseySean hate America so much?

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:33 PM

They dont answer bad questions about Obama. They ignore them and then pivot to Palin and a moose or something.

I know he's not a sweaty goon behind a cardboard desk, but start here:

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You can find further information through the site posting that on YouTube.

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:33 PM

How in the fuck was i playing along with him. I find it laughable yes that people get worked up about him calling him "Barry" and that i thought it was funny that we are discusiing aliases when we all post here under an alias.

For several pages now we're seeing you and Sean continually changing the subject whenever anyone brings up a point or asks a question or complaining about people "freaking out." How hard is it to just stay on any course of discussion?

By insinutating that i dont stick on the subject and just divert yes you did implicate me as doing the same thing

like i said i could give a fuck about what hes called and not once did i parrot what he said, you know in most of these things i have said all along that although i dont agree with what Obama is about i respect what people like you, epo, missy and most others say because you back it up. So dont pull this parrot bullshit with me as that is not what i do

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 01:35 PM

How does one explain Obama's lies about public financing and about avoiding the politics of fear, yet fearmongering to economically disadvantaged Americans?

GreatAmericanZero

10-27-2008, 01:36 PM

"The Obama Thread" has more posts in it today than "The McCain Thread". Does that mean anything?

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:37 PM

"The Obama Thread" has more posts in it today than "The McCain Thread". Does that mean anything?

Good one Potsie, whats next you gonna tell Ralph Mouth to sit on it

But you know lets have rational discussions about keeping things on topic, because statements like this get thrown out with no back up and this is what causes things to get going off topic more then anything else

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:38 PM

How in the fuck was i playing along with him. I find it laughable yes that people get worked up about him calling him "Barry" and that i thought it was funny that we are discusiing aliases when we all post here under an alias.

Who is getting worked up? You and Sean keep saying things along those lines like we're sitting here screaming through our posts, furious and enraged over Sean calling him "Barry." Two people tried to ask him what the rationale is behind the nickname. That's it. He couldn't even answer that. The "alias" isue only came up because of Sean when he made a cryptic statement about Obama using an aias trying to spin "Barry" as negatively as possible.

By insinutating that i dont stick on the subject and just divert yes you did implicate me as doing the same thing

Yes, because right now all you've done is jump in and accuse people of getting worked up or freaking out whatever you want to call it.

like i said i could give a fuck about what hes called and not once did i parrot what he said, you know in most of these things i have said all along that although i dont agree with what Obama is about i respect what people like you, epo, missy and most others say because you back it up. So dont pull this parrot bullshit with me as that is not what i do

K_O, you know you and I have plenty of civil discussions on her, but to me, over the last page or so, it looks like you just jumped in and jumped on this non-point about people being worked up or being too sensitive for simply asking questions.

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:39 PM

How does one explain Obama's lies about public financing and about avoiding the politics of fear, yet fearmongering to economically disadvantaged Americans?

Obama: I'm black
JSean: LOL! :-*
Obama: I'm a dmeocrat
Jsean: homeless
Obama: President. . . ?
Jsean: CHINA ROOLZ!!!!

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:40 PM

agree to disagree then because that isnt my intent as i said i found it funny

You and i may just have clashing thoughts on what my intent was and how you are reading my intent

GreatAmericanZero

10-27-2008, 01:40 PM

Good one Potsie, whats next you gonna tell Ralph Mouth to sit on it

what?

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:41 PM

what?

me too

lets all play super mario and feel better

booster11373

10-27-2008, 01:41 PM

this isnt a debatable issue. You guys are so sensitive to "Barry" and nuts at political rallies. Yet when Obama lies to us all, we are all supposed to pretend that he doesnt talk out of both sides of his mouth.

he talks about ending the Republican politics of fear, but here are some of his own.
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<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/wc4qPjOWs68&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/wc4qPjOWs68&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

Thats fearmongering?

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:41 PM

Obama: I'm black
JSean: LOL! :-*
Obama: I'm a dmeocrat
Jsean: homeless
Obama: President. . . ?
Jsean: CHINA ROOLZ!!!!

again another post keeping it nowhere near on point with what is being talked about

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:42 PM

How does one explain Obama's lies about public financing and about avoiding the politics of fear, yet fearmongering to economically disadvantaged Americans?

You've been categorizing any negative points or arguments about McCain's economic plas or history as "fearmongering."

I don't try and explain the public financing turn. I made it very clear on here when that happened that his switch on that policy (compounded with the wiretapping vote and the talk about oil drilling) were things I could not disagree more with.

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 01:42 PM

what?

Let me clear it up for you

Idiotic post that has nothing to do with what is being discussed

Now why dont you pipe down and let the adults keep talking

TheMojoPin

10-27-2008, 01:42 PM

agree to disagree then because that isnt my intent as i said i found it funny

You and i may just have clashing thoughts on what my intent was and how you are reading my intent

Fair enough.

Dirtybird12

10-27-2008, 01:44 PM

white trash hicks strike again -

Men charged with plotting to kill Obama. (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/10/27/obama.plot/index.html)

Story Highlights
Federal prosecutors charge Daniel Cowart, 20, and Paul Schlesselman, 18, -
Self-described white supremacists accused of plotting "killing spree" of blacks-
police say plot would have been capped with attempt to kill Barack Obama.-
Cowart and Schlesselman arrested after aborted robbery attempt last week-

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:45 PM

again another post keeping it nowhere near on point with what is being talked about

Coke does that to ya

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 01:46 PM

EVERYONE CHILL OUT

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/20060317.jpg
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/puppy_pile.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/696701369_5f8990e710.jpg?v=0

CofyCrakCocaine

10-27-2008, 01:47 PM

EVERYONE CHILL OUT

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/20060317.jpg
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/puppy_pile.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/696701369_5f8990e710.jpg?v=0

now the republicans are hungry!

and sean's burning another american flag!

razorboy

10-27-2008, 01:47 PM

angrymissy

10-27-2008, 01:50 PM

What Have I Done???!!!!

Furtherman

10-27-2008, 02:01 PM

What Have I Done???!!!!

You used an alias, MELISSA, then implied our economic policies will kill baby cats, dogs and rabbits. You know exactly what you did.

brettmojo

10-27-2008, 02:05 PM

How does one explain Obama's lies about public financing and about avoiding the politics of fear, yet fearmongering to economically disadvantaged Americans?
: potkettle :

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 02:16 PM

Rage subsiding anger disappearing thanks missy
but seeing those cute kittens i have the urge for some chineese food

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 02:44 PM

KatPw

10-27-2008, 02:47 PM

Those bunnies are secret muslims.

I've heard that those bunnies launched their career of cuteness in Bill Ayer's rabbit hutch.

Knowledged_one

10-27-2008, 02:49 PM

No no they are actually robots to spy on the people

GreatAmericanZero

10-27-2008, 02:51 PM

Let me clear it up for you

Idiotic post that has nothing to do with what is being discussed

Now why dont you pipe down and let the adults keep talking

well have fun changing the world on a "Ron & Fez" messageboard

IMSlacker

10-27-2008, 02:53 PM

Those bunnies are secret muslims.

I'm pretty sure those puppies aren't from a pro-America part of the country.

mikeyboy

10-27-2008, 02:54 PM

The kitties registered fake individuals to vote.

AKA

10-27-2008, 02:56 PM

EVERYONE CHILL OUT

http://mfrost.typepad.com/cute_overload/images/20060317.jpg
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/puppy_pile.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1301/696701369_5f8990e710.jpg?v=0

Not nearly as adorable as the cuddly pack of Duggars...!

http://www.stupidchurchpeople.com/uploaded_images/Picture-1-789683.png

epo

10-27-2008, 03:54 PM

A damned fine closing argument:

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spadanko

10-27-2008, 03:58 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_on_el_pr/skinhead_plot

hammersavage

10-27-2008, 04:18 PM

celery

10-27-2008, 04:34 PM

Drudge is posting the full article as well, but I bet he takes it down now that the update debunks it.

Exactly. It speaks to one's arguing tactics if they're not even paying attention to everything they're linking to.

he has the article there

Shocker, now Drudge has pulled the article and is linking directly to just the video.

SP1!

10-27-2008, 08:16 PM

That gives me a bigger hard on than all the porn on the planet.

Why should it? He didnt say anything other than bullshit political rhetoric to appeal to the lowest common denominator of the public. I find it amazing that any of you think hes anything other than a socialist since hes going to shut down or cripple quite a few small business owners.

If he gets in and if his policies get enacted we will deal with a depression for years to come.

hammersavage

10-27-2008, 08:19 PM

Because I dig colored guys?

I'm glad i'm part of the lowest common denominator of the public. Sweet.

I'd fight back but you're just waaaayy too stupid. Carry on.

Recyclerz

10-27-2008, 08:59 PM

socialism
–noun
1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.
2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.
3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

It isn't helpful to your argument if you use words that you don't understand. It could lead to a stuation where you might not recognize evil politicians who are actually doing what you are pretending to be outraged by.

But Palin’s criticisms of Obama’s “spread the wealth” remarks are ironic, as she recently characterized Alaska’s tax code in a very similar way. Just last month, in an interview with Philip Gourevitch of the New Yorker, Palin explained the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans “share in the wealth” generated by oil companies:

And Alaska—we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. … It’s to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans.

In fact, Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share (ACES) program, which manages the redistribution of oil wealth in Alaska, brings in so much money that the state needs no income or sales tax. In addition, this year ACES will provide every Alaskan with a check for an estimated $3,200.
As Hendrick Hertzberg notes, “Perhaps there is some meaningful distinction between spreading the wealth and sharing it…but finding it would require the analytic skills of Karl the Marxist.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/27/palin-shares-wealth/

As a shareholder in oil companies that do business in Alaska that must pay that socialist tax, THAT BITCH BE STEALIN MY MONEY, and I for one am outraged.

JerseySean

10-27-2008, 09:29 PM

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

It isn't helpful to your argument if you use words that you don't understand. It could lead to a stuation where you might not recognize evil politicians who are actually doing what you are pretending to be outraged by.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/27/palin-shares-wealth/

As a shareholder in oil companies that do business in Alaska that must pay that socialist tax, THAT BITCH BE STEALIN MY MONEY, and I for one am outraged.

Happens all the time. TC, LA, MS, AL all do the same thing. That is standard practice in this country. Moreover in oil country, if you belong to a condominium association or designated housing development and they find oil, all members of that development are entitled to royalties.