The Juneau Juno (The Sarah Palin Thread)

[Barnaby Jones]

Once more he presents a cherry picked editorial piece that fits his needs and declares it to be filled with facts! And ones that are 15 years out of date, too! Hilarious! I guess I better go and try to find a website for a group called something like The Coalition That Says Public School Kicks Ass for some more "facts" to counter that!

[Serpico1103]

'Earmarks' by Another Name: Democracy
The Washington Post
April 26, 2008 Three city mayors make the case for earmarks in this Washington Post editorial, arguing that leaving all the spending decisions to unelected officials of the executive branch who do not understand local needs is a bad idea. Authors Dannel P. Malloy, mayor of Stamford, CT, Robert Duffy, Mayor of Rochester, NY, and Mark Mallory, Mayor of Cincinnati, write: “As mayors, we are keenly aware that our three cities have directly benefited from congressional earmarks -- whether they protect low-income children from the hazards of lead paint or revitalize urban waterways -- as have most towns and cities in the country.” The full article can be read here.

Why does your community suck off the teet of the rest of us?

[Barnaby Jones]

He reminds me of pro se plaintiffs who think they are coming up with great arguments for their case, but in reality they are shooting themselves in the foot with such ridiculous positions.

I feel bad that he appears to be completely alone with every stance that he takes. Poor little squeaker!

[EliSnow]

Damn those facts again

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000063.asp



Those are arguments not facts and they are not even yours.

[Serpico1103]

Damn those facts again

http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000000/00000063.asp

Do you realize that states BEG for the money?? The money is given on the condition that the states meet guidelines. If they don't want to meet the guidelines, don't take the money?

It is not unconstitutional!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

'Earmarks' by Another Name: Democracy
The Washington Post
April 26, 2008 Three city mayors make the case for earmarks in this Washington Post editorial, arguing that leaving all the spending decisions to unelected officials of the executive branch who do not understand local needs is a bad idea. Authors Dannel P. Malloy, mayor of Stamford, CT, Robert Duffy, Mayor of Rochester, NY, and Mark Mallory, Mayor of Cincinnati, write: “As mayors, we are keenly aware that our three cities have directly benefited from congressional earmarks -- whether they protect low-income children from the hazards of lead paint or revitalize urban waterways -- as have most towns and cities in the country.” The full article can be read here.

Why does your community suck off the teet of the rest of us?

I am not in favor of earmarks. Do you want to pay for a skate park in Georgia? Let the local municipalities finance it thru local taxation

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Those are arguments not facts and they are not even yours.

Yes they are facts. I didnt say that they were mine but they are exactly on point. Even if the article is a few years old, the public school system has gotten exponentially worse since that report was published.

[Serpico1103]

I am not in favor of earmarks. Do you want to pay for a skate park in Georgia? Let the local municipalities finance it thru local taxation

Seems your mayor disagrees COMPLETELY! Maybe you should move. You wouldn't want to live in a community that depends on hand outs, would you? Parasite!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Seems your mayor disagrees COMPLETELY! Maybe you should move. You wouldn't want to live in a community that depends on hand outs, would you? Parasite!

The mayor got booted out. He was a slobberingsupporter of the nanny state

Parasites are people coming here illegally and milking off the taxpayer. Parasites are people having kids they can't afford and receiving entitlements for keeping their legs open

[EliSnow]

Yes they are facts. I didnt say that they were mine but they are exactly on point. Even if the article is a few years old, the public school system has gotten exponentially worse since that report was published.

if you are making a point that he dept is unconstitutional, that's an argument not a fact.

And one that hasn't been agreed with by any court in the nation.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yes they are facts. I didnt say that they were mine but they are exactly on point. Even if the article is a few years old, the public school system has gotten exponentially worse since that report was published.

The publishing date of the data in that link is 15 years or more old, which means the research used is even older. If everything has gotten worse it should not be hard for you at all to back that up with more recent data. Why not directly use the federal and state research that got the data you linked to as opposed to linking to private organizations with clear agendas?

[Serpico1103]

The mayor got booted out. He was a slobberingsupporter of the nanny state

Parasites are people coming here illegally and milking off the taxpayer. Parasites are people having kids they can't afford and receiving entitlements for keeping their legs open

You do receive some benefit from federally funded services right? What is the cost of those benefits? Not just the direct ones, but tangential ones too. What is the total?

[Serpico1103]

if you are making a point that he dept is unconstitutional, that's an argument not a fact.

And one that hasn't been agreed with by any court in the nation.

He doesn't believe in case law. Constitutional Originalist.

[Crispy123]

Judge Sand was definitely not a tea partier

Fellow Marine you definitely are a liberal, you air wingers and your long hair :lol:

I was too liberal even for the air wing. There were many Officers who had to put up with hours of my asking, "why are we invading Iraq because we were attacked in the States by Saudi's and Yemeni's operating out of Afghanistan?" and various other anti-Bush diatribes while criss-crossing the Atlantic to bring troops and supplies in country.

I think we can all agree that America is a great country with amazing opportunities for the people who live here. One of the things that makes it great is that individual states can experiment within the frameworks of our Federally recognized democracy to see what works and what doesn't. Texas appears to be an example of a State that gets it, although after living there for a year it completely baffles me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You do receive some benefit from federally funded services right? What is the cost of those benefits? Not just the direct ones, but tangential ones too. What is the total?

Yes like maintenance of federal highways. I dont know the total. I never said that gov't shouldn't provide basic services.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yes like maintenance of federal highways. I dont know the total. I never said that gov't shouldn't provide basic services.

Education is not a basic service?

[booster11373]

Yes like maintenance of federal highways. I dont know the total. I never said that gov't shouldn't provide basic services.

WF is mentally ill and doesnt even listen to the Ron and Fez show

[CurseoftheBambi]

Education is not a basic service?

Have you seen Teabagger signs...of course Education is not a basic service....TO THEM!:lol: Of course one has to mention one Sarah Palin...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have you seen Teabagger signs...of course Education is not a basic service....TO THEM!:lol: Of course one has to mention one Sarah Palin...

Have I ever said that Palin is what the country needs? Never. People like her and Bachmann are sideshow events. Ron Paul actually gets it.

Guess you never saw these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

[EliSnow]

Education is not a basic service?


Exactly. The funding of education is as important if not more than funding of federal highways. of course no one is arguing that the federal government should pay for all roads, or arguing that paying for federal highways is a slippery slope to payng for all roads or dictating speed limit. But similar restraint is not shown for federal funding of education.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Education is not a basic service?

Yes which should be funded and overseen by local governments.

[EliSnow]

Have I ever said that Palin is what the country needs? Never. People like her and Bachmann are sideshow events. Ron Paul actually gets it.

Guess you never saw these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI

While not touting Palin in the least, she has a better chance of being elected than Ron Paul.

[Barnaby Jones]

Why should highways not be overseen by local governments? Why should someone in Oregon pay for the highway in Alabama? It's not right!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

While not touting Palin in the least, she has a better chance of being elected than Ron Paul.

Because the electorate are mostly concerned with celebrity status instead of substance

[EliSnow]

Yes which should be funded and overseen by local governments.

Following that logic, the federal government shouldn't pay for highways in any state. Why are hghways different than education. If both are basic services, why can't the feds help pay for both?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why should highways not be overseen by local governments? Why should someone in Oregon pay for the highway in Alabama? It's not right!

Guess you didnt see where post roads are in the constitution. Its not written in invisible ink

[EliSnow]

Because the electorate are mostly concerned with celebrity status instead of substance



Whatever the reason is, he is more of a sideshow event than her.

[Serpico1103]

Yes like maintenance of federal highways. I dont know the total. I never said that gov't shouldn't provide basic services.

You realize that rural areas depend on urban areas for money, right? Why should I, who live in a city, pay for services in rural areas? Fuck em. If they can't survive out there, tough.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Have I ever said that Palin is what the country needs? Never. People like her and Bachmann are sideshow events. Ron Paul actually gets it. Actually that wasn't about you...that was about teabaggers and Sarah Palin since this thread is about her.

[Serpico1103]

Guess you didnt see where post roads are in the constitution. Its not written in invisible ink

So, the constitution gave the federal government power to make federal roads? Wrong. Your silly websites like to twist reality.

[EliSnow]

Guess you didnt see where post roads are in the constitution. Its not written in invisible ink

Post roads are now pretty much every road as mail is carried on all of them. So shoulf the feds pay for every road?

[Barnaby Jones]

So, the constitution gave the federal government power to make federal roads? Wrong. Your silly websites like to twist reality.

It's fun to watch WF make his crazy leaps of logic!

[Crispy123]

Guess you didnt see where post roads are in the constitution. Its not written in invisible ink

the constitution doesn't mention airmail and airports though....

[Serpico1103]

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/hwyhist03.cfm

"President Thomas Jefferson believed a constitutional amendment was desirable and necessary to give government the authority to build roads and canals."
But, what would Jefferson know about the Constitution.
Of course, activist judges later gave road making power to the federal government.

"Establish" merely meant designate. It did not give the power to make new roads. At least, that is what Congress and the courts thought in the 1700's, until liberals twisted the Constitution to suit their needs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/hwyhist03.cfm

"President Thomas Jefferson believed a constitutional amendment was desirable and necessary to give government the authority to build roads and canals."
But, what would Jefferson know about the Constitution.
Of course, activist judges later gave road making power to the federal government.

"Establish" merely meant designate. It did not give the power to make new roads. At least, that is what Congress and the courts thought in the 1700's, until liberals twisted the Constitution to suit their needs.

process of having it pass in both houses and a supermajority of the states should have been done

Those damn procedures

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the constitution doesn't mention airmail and airports though....

DAMN YOU WINGERS!!!!!

Your world is so much different than the real Corps.

Just bustin chops Marine :lol:

[EliSnow]

process of having it pass in both houses and a supermajority of the states should have been done

Those damn procedures

Even if that's true, it wasn't done. So, under your earlier reasoning, your argument that the maintenance of federal highways is different from funding of education is without merit.

[Serpico1103]

Even if that's true, it wasn't done. So, under your earlier reasoning, your argument that the maintenance of federal highways is different from funding of education is without merit.

Originalists think they can read and understand the constitution. "Why do those damn liberal judges have to twist the meaning of such a perfect document!!"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about we just merge the police forces. We can have LAPD cars patrolling the belt parkway and NYC cruisers on the Pacific Coast Highway. CHP's patrolling all the east river crossings. Why not?

[Serpico1103]

How about we just merge the police forces. We can have LAPD cars patrolling the belt parkway and NYC cruisers on the Pacific Coast Highway. CHP's patrolling all the east river crossings. Why not?

No.

[Barnaby Jones]

WF hard at work:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2283/amnesty.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF hard at work:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2283/amnesty.jpg

That person must have been a product of the quality public school system.

[CurseoftheBambi]

nope just a libertian patriot.:wink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF hard at work:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2283/amnesty.jpg

You sir are the hypocrite. You were spewing out rants that I was making generalizations and stereotypes but its you who is the hypocrite. According to you anyone who has a different view than you is some redneck christian evangelical with no education.

[Barnaby Jones]

You're just a single ignorant fool I disagree with! You represent nobody except yourself and your own delusions!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You're just a single ignorant fool I disagree with! You represent nobody except yourself and your own delusions!

And you are the champion of the poor, the illegal aliens and every downtrodden person of society? You try to venerate yourself but when confronted with opposing views like a child you go on these tangents that anyone who doesnt agree with you is some out of touch person living in a world of opulence. Youre nothing but an ignorant hack looking for attention.

[Barnaby Jones]

But go ahead and keep making up tangents that never occurred! They make you sound even more paranoid and silly! Keep on trucking like you aren't a hilarious joke! Absolutely nobody ever agrees with you or backs you up!

[Jujubees2]

How about we just merge the police forces. We can have LAPD cars patrolling the belt parkway and NYC cruisers on the Pacific Coast Highway. CHP's patrolling all the east river crossings. Why not?

Only Jon. Ponch can stay in California

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But go ahead and keep making up tangents that never occurred! They make you sound even more paranoid and silly! Keep on trucking like you aren't a hilarious joke! Absolutely nobody ever agrees with you or backs you up!

You seem to think that people who pay upwards of more than half their salaries to city state and federal income taxes aren't contributing enough. Have you ever stopped to consider that people like me are actually financing the recipient class and all the social programs, but you demonize the people paying taxes. Meanwhile you venerate the recipient, the tax consumers and you cry that its not enough how much of my salary should be taxed to fit your necessities? 80-90%?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Only Jon. Ponch can stay in California

Always trying to keep the Mexicans out!!!!

[Barnaby Jones]

You seem to think that people who pay upwards of more than half their salaries to city state and federal income taxes aren't contributing enough. Have you ever stopped to consider that people like me are actually financing the recipient class and all the social programs, but you demonize the people paying taxes. Meanwhile you venerate the recipient, the tax consumers and you cry that its not enough how much of my salary should be taxed to fit your necessities? 80-90%?

Making more shit up about what people are saying here! Hysterical! Nobody is "demonizing" anyone. Well, I guess we're demonizing you...but that's because you're a delusional, hilarious dolt!

It's even funnier how you continually separate yourself as a taxpayer, like you're somehow different or better than the rest of us in that regard. What a chunky 'tard!

[foodcourtdruide]

You seem to think that people who pay upwards of more than half their salaries to city state and federal income taxes aren't contributing enough. Have you ever stopped to consider that people like me are actually financing the recipient class and all the social programs, but you demonize the people paying taxes. Meanwhile you venerate the recipient, the tax consumers and you cry that its not enough how much of my salary should be taxed to fit your necessities? 80-90%?

I'm being sincere here, WF. You should really try to understand what liberal and progressives believe. You don't have to agree with us, but you truly seem to think that our philosophy is what Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. say it is. It's much more complicated than "WE NEED MORE TAXES FROM RICH PEOPLE!!!!"

[Barnaby Jones]

I'm being sincere here, WF. You should really try to understand what liberal and progressives believe. You don't have to agree with us, but you truly seem to think that our philosophy is what Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. say it is. It's much more complicated than "WE NEED MORE TAXES FROM RICH PEOPLE!!!!"

He should really understand that he's not rich, too!

[Serpico1103]

You seem to think that people who pay upwards of more than half their salaries to city state and federal income taxes aren't contributing enough. Have you ever stopped to consider that people like me are actually financing the recipient class and all the social programs, but you demonize the people paying taxes. Meanwhile you venerate the recipient, the tax consumers and you cry that its not enough how much of my salary should be taxed to fit your necessities? 80-90%?

Such a martyr. I(we) are not demonizing tax payers. Of course they are the backbone of this country. A large middle class is what will keep this country great (unfortunately the poor and rich classes are growing, while middle class shrinks).
However, I(we) mock and attack you, because of your chicken little approach. Against amnesty and liberal immigration policies, fine, but stop with the panicked nonsense. Stop posting links to drunk driving illegal aliens (that is not a case to change immigration laws).
Want lower taxes, fine. Oppose legislation that requires higher taxes. Getting lower taxes without curbing spending is idiotic.
Want less federal involvement, fine. First, do some reading and understand the Constitution and what (whether you like it or not) the Supreme Court has ruled is permissive under the Constitution; i.e. building federal highways when the Constitution didn't seem to actually grant that power.
You equate wearing uniforms to turning kids into robots, to the government dictating every minute of your day. You don't see that as paranoia?

[EliSnow]

Such a martyr. I(we) are not demonizing tax payers. Of course they are the backbone of this country. A large middle class is what will keep this country great (unfortunately the poor and rich classes are growing, while middle class shrinks).
However, I(we) mock and attack you, because of your chicken little approach. Against amnesty and liberal immigration policies, fine, but stop with the panicked nonsense. Stop posting links to drunk driving illegal aliens (that is not a case to change immigration laws).
Want lower taxes, fine. Oppose legislation that requires higher taxes. Getting lower taxes without curbing spending is idiotic.
Want less federal involvement, fine. First, do some reading and understand the Constitution and what (whether you like it or not) the Supreme Court has ruled is permissive under the Constitution; i.e. building federal highways when the Constitution didn't seem to actually grant that power.
You equate wearing uniforms to turning kids into robots, to the government dictating every minute of your day. You don't see that as paranoia?

don't forget that funding of education is not the same as federal funding of stadiums or requiring California police officers to patrol DC.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm being sincere here, WF. You should really try to understand what liberal and progressives believe. You don't have to agree with us, but you truly seem to think that our philosophy is what Savage, Limbaugh, Hannity, etc. say it is. It's much more complicated than "WE NEED MORE TAXES FROM RICH PEOPLE!!!!"

I appreciate that, and you should believe that I dont fall into the country club elitist trust fund type or the christian evangelical, creationist movement.

Im looking at all these entitlements as well as the wars , borrowing money from China etc as a fiscal nightmare. Piling on debt on top of old debt is just kicking the can down the road. Eventually the bill's going to come due. On top of that the interest on all of that is astronomical.

I don't fall into the wacky conspiracy theory Glenn Beck type who thinks there are black helicopters hovering around, however the country's fiscal house is in shambles.

Even if Obama is voted out in 2012, The next president wont be any better. It bothers me that there are so many people who believe that Palin is going to be the answer to the problems. I'll admit there is porbably a good chance that she might win. I have absolutely no faith in the American electorate at all.

While there is no perfect candidate, In my opinion Ron Paul is the ideal one. A lot of his views might be opposite of what many on this forum believe but there are some in which we can almost all agree on. IE No more undeclared wars, Auditing the fed, ending the patriot act, he's not a religious nut.

Unfortunately the voters will vote the biggest celebrity.

[EliSnow]

It bothers me that there are so many people who believe that Palin is going to be the answer to the problems. I'll admit there is porbably a good chance that she might win.

No there isn't. While she has incredibly devoted followers, her appeal is limited to a core group.

She does not appeal to independants or moderate/conservative democrats and without such support, she can't win. Shit, moderate conservatives hate her as well.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Such a martyr. I(we) are not demonizing tax payers. Of course they are the backbone of this country. A large middle class is what will keep this country great (unfortunately the poor and rich classes are growing, while middle class shrinks).
However, I(we) mock and attack you, because of your chicken little approach. Against amnesty and liberal immigration policies, fine, but stop with the panicked nonsense. Stop posting links to drunk driving illegal aliens (that is not a case to change immigration laws).
Want lower taxes, fine. Oppose legislation that requires higher taxes. Getting lower taxes without curbing spending is idiotic.
Want less federal involvement, fine. First, do some reading and understand the Constitution and what (whether you like it or not) the Supreme Court has ruled is permissive under the Constitution; i.e. building federal highways when the Constitution didn't seem to actually grant that power.
You equate wearing uniforms to turning kids into robots, to the government dictating every minute of your day. You don't see that as paranoia?

Who has a chicken little approach? I dont think the feds are coming after my house or car. Leave that up to the Becks of the world. As far as spending, the feds are spending way too much. It was too much under dubya and its even more out of control

I never said the feds are controlling every move or has hidden cameras, but they are overstepping their boundaries with the patriot act, DHS etc.

[Serpico1103]

Who has a chicken little approach? I dont think the feds are coming after my house or car. Leave that up to the Becks of the world. As far as spending, the feds are spending way too much. It was too much under dubya and its even more out of control

I never said the feds are controlling every move or has hidden cameras, but they are overstepping their boundaries with the patriot act, DHS etc.

I don't think liberals(people, not the politicians) were the major push behind the patriot act and DHS. So, all your venom should be aimed at your party (yes, it is your party). I do think the Fed has become bloated. But, I don't think the first programs to attack are the social programs.

And, whether you intend to or not, your posts come off as paranoid and racist. It doesn't mean you are, it may just be due to the limits of communicating this way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't think liberals(people, not the politicians) were the major push behind the patriot act and DHS. So, all your venom should be aimed at your party (yes, it is your party). I do think the Fed has become bloated. But, I don't think the first programs to attack are the social programs.

And, whether you intend to or not, your posts come off as paranoid and racist. It doesn't mean you are, it may just be due to the limits of communicating this way.

The patriot act was signed into law and voted on by a lot of progressives, there were some like Feingold who didnt sign on to it. As usual politcians vote on a bill they barely read.

As far as the fed gov't. Its not just the social programs which need trimming and/or eliminated its also the huge defense budget aroud 700 billion this FY. The costs of having our military in close to every country. Why should troops still be in Germany? using that as an example

[Barnaby Jones]

You claim to be an independent or a "Libertarian," yet you use all of the neo-con catchphrases and buzzwords. It's also ironic since many key Libertarian points are "progressive" from the narrow minded perspective of those that typically use that term with scorn. You only cheapen your arguments when you resort to such silly and obvious labels and then claim to be a "Libertarian."

[EliSnow]

The patriot act was signed into law and voted on by a lot of progressives, there were some like Feingold who didnt sign on to it. As usual politcians vote on a bill they barely read.

As far as the fed gov't. Its not just the social programs which need trimming and/or eliminated its also the huge defense budget aroud 700 billion this FY. The costs of having our military in close to every country. Why should troops still be in Germany? using that as an example

quick question: were you using the term "progressives" when the Patriot act was enacted, or even one year ago?

[Serpico1103]

The patriot act was signed into law and voted on by a lot of progressives, there were some like Feingold who didnt sign on to it. As usual politcians vote on a bill they barely read.

As far as the fed gov't. Its not just the social programs which need trimming and/or eliminated its also the huge defense budget aroud 700 billion this FY. The costs of having our military in close to every country. Why should troops still be in Germany? using that as an example

Still protecting the Republicans. STOP IT! Yes, democrats voted for it (and I hate them for that). Yes, democrats deserve blame for not standing up to the Republicans (unfortunately the media bought into the patriotism of giving up rights, so democrats unbuckled to popular opinion). Can you just say "the republicans fucked up" without sandwiching it between attacks on progressives, liberals, democrats, etc? I'll say Dems fucked up, you attack the Republicans. Otherwise, it seems like partisanship nonsense.

I agree. Having troops overseas is ridiculous. They would be the first cuts I made. The speed with which we can get around the globe now, with the speed of communication, having large permanent bases is nothing but pushing our agenda on people and cultures that see us as an intrusion. Bring the troops home. Maybe transition them into civil service jobs that actually help us, but downsize the military. Modern war will not, and should not, be fought like it was WWII.

[A.J.]

I agree. Having troops overseas is ridiculous. They would be the first cuts I made. The speed with which we can get around the globe now, with the speed of communication, having large permanent bases is nothing but pushing our agenda on people and cultures that see us as an intrusion. Bring the troops home. Maybe transition them into civil service jobs that actually help us, but downsize the military. Modern war will not, and should not, be fought like it was WWII.

You do realize that some of these countries ASK us to be there in order to help in their own security?

[Barnaby Jones]

You do realize that some of these countries ASK us to be there in order to help in their own security?

Common sense has no place here!

[Misteriosa]

Common sense has no place here!

i mean srsly. what the hell does aj know about these things? :dry:

[Barnaby Jones]

quick question: were you using the term "progressives" when the Patriot act was enacted, or even one year ago?

Was he even using it a month ago?

He always brings up the failings of the Democrats with things like the Patriot Act as if those who fall to the left here would defend such mistakes. Why does he assume that those that view themselves as Democrats on this board would blindly follow and support every path representatives of that party take? Perhaps he is applying his own habit of investing complete and total blind faith into political ideologies to others.

[Barnaby Jones]

i mean srsly. what the hell does aj know about these things? :dry:

I don't know what this AJ fella knows about anything, but he seems spot on so far!

[Misteriosa]

I don't know what this AJ fella knows about anything, but he seems spot on so far!

lets just say that he spends a lot of time on the arabian peninsula... :smoke:

[booster11373]

You do realize that some of these countries ASK us to be there in order to help in their own security?

Do we still need to be in Germany?

[Serpico1103]

You do realize that some of these countries ASK us to be there in order to help in their own security?

And people here don't ask for help?
I don't think Japan or Germany (the people) is asking for our help.
I don't think it is our responsibility to force other countries into capitalism. Our military intervention is never about spreading democracy, it is about insuring stability so capitalism can grow. We have tolerated, and even supported, dictatorships, guilty of horrible human rights violations, as long as they keep the people in check and don't interfere with our trade.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Was he even using it a month ago?

He always brings up the failings of the Democrats with things like the Patriot Act as if those who fall to the left here would defend such mistakes. Why does he assume that those that view themselves as Democrats on this board would blindly follow and support every path representatives of that party take? Perhaps he is applying his own habit of investing complete and total blind faith into political ideologies to others.

The GOP is no way perfect either as a lot of them are useless like Charlie Crist, Lindsey Graham and John McCain just because someone is not a dem/progressive doesnt give them carte blance and gets my approval or support. Sarah Palin? seriously

You should go back and read what I posted about those weak kneed repubs they are no better than the dems. McCain deserved to lose the election in '08 as he ran one of the worst campaigns in modern history. He was such a horrible candidate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You claim to be an independent or a "Libertarian," yet you use all of the neo-con catchphrases and buzzwords. It's also ironic since many key Libertarian points are "progressive" from the narrow minded perspective of those that typically use that term with scorn. You only cheapen your arguments when you resort to such silly and obvious labels and then claim to be a "Libertarian."

I was waiting for you to use the tired term of Neo Con. If you knew anything you would know that libertarians despise neocons. Ron Paul calls them out all the time
Neo cons want the military all over the globe. I posted that we should withdraw from many countries
In your world. Non Dem = Neocon
Opposes illegal immigration and amnesty = hates mexicans

Your schtick is old already

[Serpico1103]

I was waiting for you to use the tired term of Neo Con. If you knew anything you would know that libertarians despise neocons. Ron Paul calls them out all the time
Neo cons want the military all over the globe. I posted that we should withdraw from many countries
In your world. Non Dem = Neocon
Opposes illegal immigration and amnesty = hates mexicans

Your schtick is old already

And one of libertarians biggest platforms is open borders. Completely opposite of what you want.
Please, for all our sake. You are a republican. You were let down by the party bringing religion into the party to win elections (otherwise democrats would win every election) and you were let down by GWB spending like crazy and striking fear into people to win elections (otherwise democrats would win every election).
You are a republican who doesn't like the choices the party has made to win elections. But, you are not a libertarian.

[A.J.]

Do we still need to be in Germany?

And people here don't ask for help?
I don't think Japan or Germany (the people) is asking for our help.
I don't think it is our responsibility to force other countries into capitalism. Our military intervention is never about spreading democracy, it is about insuring stability so capitalism can grow. We have tolerated, and even supported, dictatorships, guilty of horrible human rights violations, as long as they keep the people in check and don't interfere with our trade.

Well, the U.S. bases in Germany, Italy, Japan and Korea were the byproduct of World War II (and Korea) where we established bases in those defeated nations to counter the emergent Soviet threat. So is our presence there still necessary? Probably not. After 60 years and a different threat, maybe it's time to withdraw. But with the exception of Japan and Korea, there really hasn't been that much of an outcry for the U.S. to leave.

With Middle East bases, there is a lot of cultural sensitivity taken into consideration as the result of our experience in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. The smaller Gulf states are scared shitless of Iran so they're glad to have us there to protect themselves.

[Jujubees2]

Do we still need to be in Germany?

Yes, to protect the import of lots of beer.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And one of libertarians biggest platforms is open borders. Completely opposite of what you want.
Please, for all our sake. You are a republican. You were let down by the party bringing religion into the party to win elections (otherwise democrats would win every election) and you were let down by GWB spending like crazy and striking fear into people to win elections (otherwise democrats would win every election).
You are a republican who doesn't like the choices the party has made to win elections. But, you are not a libertarian.

Thats one area where I disagree with them on. Do you sign onto every idea theory what your party believes?

Republicans want open borders for the cheap labor. Republicans want NAFTA/CAFTA Republicans want a permanent military industrial complex. Republicans want to keep sending billions to Israel. While I believe they have a right to have their own state and should be their ally, however we should let them break free from their dependence. They have one of the best militaries around and if attacked again would probably rein in hell on their invaders

[Serpico1103]

With Middle East bases, there is a lot of cultural sensitivity taken into consideration as the result of our experience in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. The smaller Gulf states are scared shitless of Iran so they're glad to have us there to protect themselves.

Who is glad? The regimes that our politicans say are horrible? Or the people in those countries?
It is not our place to control the world. It is foolish and arrogant to act as the world police. It also makes us a larger target for terrorism. The UN has a role, let it do its job.
Most of our interventionism has only delayed problems, if not aggravated them. Again, we don't want to solve problems, we don't want to bring democracy to the world, we don't want to end human rights violations. All we want is to ensure free trade.
Our base in Saudi Arabia was one of the principle reasons behind Al Qaeda's attack on 9/11. Did the people want that base there? Or the monarchy? We have since closed the base, so I guess it wasn't vital to middle east stability anyway.

[Barnaby Jones]

I was waiting for you to use the tired term of Neo Con. If you knew anything you would know that libertarians despise neocons.

So you're a self-hating neo-con. Big deal!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you're a self-hating neo-con. Big deal!

Neocons wanted a bailout of wall st. I opposed them and all bailouts.

[Serpico1103]

Thats one area where I disagree with them on. Do you sign onto every idea theory what your party believes?

Republicans want open borders for the cheap labor. Republicans want NAFTA/CAFTA Republicans want a permanent military industrial complex. Republicans want to keep sending billions to Israel. While I believe they have a right to have their own state and should be their ally, however we should let them break free from their dependence. They have one of the best militaries around and if attacked again would probably rein in hell on their invaders

All those things you cite are things the party promotes to win elections or raise campaign funds. None of those things are republican ideals (maybe a strong military, but not a global police force). Again, you are a Republican whose party betrays you to win elections. When did the party care about abortion? When it needed votes. Regan and Goldwater were pro-choice. Regan wanted the votes that abortion activists would bring. Attack Regan for selling out ideals. Attack the direction the party has taken. Don't abandon your party.

[booster11373]

Well, the U.S. bases in Germany, Italy, Japan and Korea were the byproduct of World War II (and Korea) where we established bases in those defeated nations to counter the emergent Soviet threat. So is our presence there still necessary? Probably not. After 60 years and a different threat, maybe it's time to withdraw. But with the exception of Japan and Korea, there really hasn't been that much of an outcry for the U.S. to leave.

With Middle East bases, there is a lot of cultural sensitivity taken into consideration as the result of our experience in Saudi Arabia during the first Gulf War. The smaller Gulf states are scared shitless of Iran so they're glad to have us there to protect themselves.

I understand the need to be in Korea and a lesser extent Japan. I wonder what the political and diplomatic repercussions would be if someone advocated withdrawal from Germany?

[A.J.]

Who is glad? The regimes that our politicans say are horrible? Or the people in those countries?
It is not our place to control the world. It is foolish and arrogant to act as the world police. It also makes us a larger target for terrorism. The UN has a role, let it do its job.
Most of our interventionism has only delayed problems, if not aggravated them. Again, we don't want to solve problems, we don't want to bring democracy to the world, we don't want to end human rights violations. All we want is to ensure free trade.
Our base in Saudi Arabia was one of the principle reasons behind Al Qaeda's attack on 9/11. Did the people want that base there? Or the monarchy? We have since closed the base, so I guess it wasn't vital to middle east stability anyway.

I'm not arguing the merits of interventionist American foreign policy. I'm explaining how the system works. We want to protect U.S. interests and promote U.S business - period. And we'll befriend any regime or country that will allow that to happen. This has been the foundation of U.S. foreign policy since 1789.

I agree that we shouldn't be the world police. But the fact that we emerged as the world's strongest country after WWII, we sort of stepped into that role of "defender of the Free World". Fine: let NATO or the UN step up now. I have no problem with that. "Pax Americana" ain't gonna happen.

The base in Saudi Arabia was created by the ruling family/government to counter the Iraqi threat back then. Lack of elected representative government notwithstanding, why would the Saudi people have a say about the base? Do the American people have a direct say about which bases in which states should be built or shut down? (Yes, I know we have elected representatives/officials who make those decisions). Governments make decisions that will serve their interests best. Sovereignty, self-help and individual national perspective: that's foreign policy 101.

And the base wasn't closed because it wasn't vital -- it was closed because of having American troops on the soil of the Land of the Two Holy Mosques pissed off a lot of people; most notably Al-Qa'ida. So we pulled out of Saudi Arabia and moved to Qatar.

[EliSnow]

Your schtick is old already
thank you, Mr. Pot.

[A.J.]

I understand the need to be in Korea and a lesser extent Japan. I wonder what the political and diplomatic repercussions would be if someone advocated withdrawal from Germany?

I'm really not sure. The main thing I can think that would be addressed (in Germany anyway) would be how a U.S. withdrawal would impact the local German economy. In the 1990s we saw this become an issue in the U.S. as a number of bases were closed around the country.

Again, I can't recall this ever being discussed. I know we're pulling out of Okinawa for Guam.

[Serpico1103]

I'm not arguing the merits of interventionist American foreign policy. I'm explaining how the system works. We want to protect U.S. interests and promote U.S business - period. And we'll befriend any regime or country that will allow that to happen. This has been the foundation of U.S. foreign policy since 1789.




I think we agree on this points. I am not saying that we are traditional imperialists. We have gotten better at the game. Now, we use third parties and promises of money to control people globally.
However, I think (so elitist of me) most people buy into the "spreading democracy" line of shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

All those things you cite are things the party promotes to win elections or raise campaign funds. None of those things are republican ideals (maybe a strong military, but not a global police force). Again, you are a Republican whose party betrays you to win elections. When did the party care about abortion? When it needed votes. Regan and Goldwater were pro-choice. Regan wanted the votes that abortion activists would bring. Attack Regan for selling out ideals. Attack the direction the party has taken. Don't abandon your party.

I am pro choice, I As far as attacking politicians for selling out ideals which one hasn't

[A.J.]

I think we agree on this points. I am not saying that we are traditional imperialists. We have gotten better at the game. Now, we use third parties and promises of money to control people globally.
However, I think (so elitist of me) most people buy into the "spreading democracy" line of shit.

Agreed and to be honest, some places aren't conducive to democracy. Certainly not overnight...as is the American way we want things to happen.

[Barnaby Jones]

Neocons wanted a bailout of wall st. I opposed them and all bailouts.

All bailouts? Jeez, what a nutbar.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

All bailouts? Jeez, what a nutbar.

Yes all of them!!!!

Why subsidize failure? Hows that investment in GM going? If you knew anything about basic accounting it wasnt like there was some slush fund with all that cash. It was borrowed money so its a liability

[Furtherman]

Yes all of them!!!!

Why subsidize failure? Hows that investment in GM going? If you knew anything about basic accounting it wasnt like there was some slush fund with all that cash. It was borrowed money so its a liability

OK, now you're not even trying.

Both General Motors and Chrysler are working as hard as they can to take advantage of the last-ditch bailouts provided last year by the U.S. government. This morning, each issued a separate sign of its progress.

GM chief executive officer Ed Whitacre is expected to announce that the company will fully pay back the $6.7 billion of loans from the U.S. government that kept it afloat for several months before its June 2009 bankruptcy filing.

And Chrysler announced that it made an operating profit of $143 million in the first three months of 2010, helped by last year's severe cost-cutting and sales of the new Ram Heavy Duty pickup trucks introduced in February, as well as lower discounts and incentives.

GM Pays Off Loans, Chrysler Loses Less (http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1044391_bailout-successes-gm-pays-off-loans-chrysler-loses-less)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

OK, now you're not even trying.



GM Pays Off Loans, Chrysler Loses Less (http://www.thecarconnection.com/marty-blog/1044391_bailout-successes-gm-pays-off-loans-chrysler-loses-less)

As a major investor the US gov't will be losing money on this deal.


http://www.rpmgo.com/us-government-set-to-lose-30-billion-on-gm-and-chrysler-bailout

Who should we bailout next? Looks like the print media is dying so should the NY times be next?

[foodcourtdruide]

As a major investor the US gov't will be losing money on this deal.


http://www.rpmgo.com/us-government-set-to-lose-30-billion-on-gm-and-chrysler-bailout

Who should we bailout next? Looks like the print media is dying so should the NY times be next?

The article's from December, and seemed to project the auto companies not paying back their money. It looks like GM did pay back the money though.

The article itself says, "the loss might get even smaller."

[EliSnow]

The article's from December, and seemed to project the auto companies not paying back their money. It looks like GM did pay back the money though.

The article itself says, "the loss might get even smaller."



Oh wrestlingfan, will you ever win?

[underdog]

I understand the need to be in Korea and a lesser extent Japan. I wonder what the political and diplomatic repercussions would be if someone advocated withdrawal from Germany?

I think it would hurt us the most. Germany is a good middle of the earth base to have. We can easily use it as a launching point to get to other countries hit by natural disasters or wars in which we're helping out in.

[Barnaby Jones]

As a major investor the US gov't will be losing money on this deal.


http://www.rpmgo.com/us-government-set-to-lose-30-billion-on-gm-and-chrysler-bailout

Who should we bailout next? Looks like the print media is dying so should the NY times be next?

Man alive, you are just a mess! Do you really equate the shrinking print media with the automotive industry? Why not compare professional sports and teaching next? Jeez, what a goof!

[Furtherman]

As a major investor the US gov't will be losing money on this deal.


http://www.rpmgo.com/us-government-set-to-lose-30-billion-on-gm-and-chrysler-bailout

Who should we bailout next? Looks like the print media is dying so should the NY times be next?

Do you ever read past the headline?

The article's from December, and seemed to project the auto companies not paying back their money. It looks like GM did pay back the money though.

The article itself says, "the loss might get even smaller."

Exactly.

Now I’m sure most of our US readers aren’t too happy, but it seems that at least according to Gene Sperling, the senior counsel to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, a $30 billion loss is much better than the estimated $44 billion the Obama administration estimated it would lose, and considering the fact that things are looking up, the loss might get even smaller.

WF's ignorance is growing epic. Backed in a corner, swinging away like a five year old whose head is leaning on our hands. Probably crying too.

[foodcourtdruide]

Do you ever read past the headline?



Exactly.



WF's ignorance is growing epic. Backed in a corner, swinging away like a five year old whose head is leaning on our hands. Probably crying too.

If anything, it makes the bailout look incredibly brilliant. The failure of GM/Chrysler could have cost the country $44 billion, but if the money gets paid back it would have cost nothing.

[EliSnow]

Man alive, you are just a mess! Do you really equate the shrinking print media with the automotive industry? Why not compare professional sports and teaching next? Jeez, what a goof!



He equated financing stadiums to funding education, so what do you expect?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you ever read past the headline?



Exactly.



WF's ignorance is growing epic. Backed in a corner, swinging away like a five year old whose head is leaning on our hands. Probably crying too.

Crying over your faith in the federal government and its bailouts, pathetic

You are probably waiting by the mailbox waiting for your dividend check of this "investment" in the banks and auto companies.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If anything, it makes the bailout look incredibly brilliant. The failure of GM/Chrysler could have cost the country $44 billion, but if the money gets paid back it would have cost nothing.

If the money wasn't there than how is it a successful investment? Do you know the concept of a balance sheet at all? That money was borrowed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He equated financing stadiums to funding education, so what do you expect?

Did you even grasp the concept? Why would you want to pay for a teachers salary across the country?

[Furtherman]

Crying over your faith in the federal government and its bailouts, pathetic

You are probably waiting by the mailbox waiting for your dividend check of this "investment" in the banks and auto companies.

I cannot respond to this jumble of words. They don't make sense.

[EliSnow]

Crying over your faith in the federal government and its bailouts, pathetic

You are probably waiting by the mailbox waiting for your dividend check of this "investment" in the banks and auto companies.

He demonstrated that you were wrong and that your own support went against your point.

Its pretty clear who the pathetic one is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He demonstrated that you were wrong and that your own support went against your point.

Its pretty clear who the pathetic one is.

How is it pathetic when these bailouts were financed thru government debt?

Its not just the bailouts, its the 2 wars and that medicare part D fiasco from 2005. Wasn't such a good idea to start wars and cut taxes

[EliSnow]

Did you even grasp the concept? Why would you want to pay for a teachers salary across the country?

I answered that yesterday. Having a well educated populace nationwide benefits the entire nation. It is in our general welfare.


Having stadiums is not. Its entertainment. They are two different things that everyone here but you understands.

[EliSnow]

How is it pathetic when these bailouts were financed thru government debt?

Its not just the bailouts, its the 2 wars and that medicare part D fiasco from 2005. Wasn't such a good idea to start wars and cut taxes
By doing it, we cut off greater losses which would have led to greater debt. Again, you are the only one here not following this.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I answered that yesterday. Having a well educated populace nationwide benefits the entire nation. It is in our general welfare.


Having stadiums is not. Its entertainment. They are two different things that everyone here but you understands.

I understand that, However why should you pay for another states police, fire teachers etc. So youre in favor of diverting funds from your town to finance another's 100 miles away?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

By doing it, we cut off greater losses which would have led to greater debt. Again, you are the only one here not following this.

We do have greater debt as a result. Am I the only one who pointed out that the debt limit ceiling was raised twice already? Took Bush 8 years to raise it by 5 trillion It took BHO a little over 400 days to raise it 2 trillion.

These practices are going to continue to monetize the debt. You cant borrow all that without the burden of the interest that keeps accumulating
Moodys is threatening to cut the gov'ts AAA credit rating due to the massive amout of debt that this country owes. If China calls in their markers we are done

[EliSnow]

I understand that, However why should you pay for another states police, fire teachers etc. So youre in favor of diverting funds from your town to finance another's 100 miles away?
Its not diverting funds. They aren't taking money from one district and givng it to another. They are using money taken through federal taxes to privde money to those districts, etc. If the feds didn't do those taxes, my area wouldn't suddenly raise taxes to compensate.

[EliSnow]

I understand that, However why should you pay for another states police, fire teachers etc. So youre in favor of diverting funds from your town to finance another's 100 miles away?

Also if you understood the point, you wouldn't keep asking the question or stand by a ridiculous parallel that you brought up yesterday.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For anyone not concerned with the massive debt and out of control entitlements.

All debt isn't bad if you can keep it sustainable. Someone making 100K who takes out a 200,000 mortgage and lives modestly can afford to make payments based on an int rate of 5.5%

The federal government always had debt and deficits, however the 800 lb gorilla in the room is the unfunded liabilities of entitlements it ranges from 50-100 trillion dollars. With an expanded recipient class and a smaller amt of people doing the heavy lifting how can that be sustained? If the top marginal rate of the rich was raised back to 70% pre Reagan days that still would not be enough to cover the cost of all of these programs

[Barnaby Jones]

Damn all of these entitled people!

[booster11373]

If this was a boxing match it would have to be called

[Serpico1103]

As a major investor the US gov't will be losing money on this deal.


http://www.rpmgo.com/us-government-set-to-lose-30-billion-on-gm-and-chrysler-bailout

Who should we bailout next? Looks like the print media is dying so should the NY times be next?
Author's (of your cited material) resume:
Current
* Editor at RPMGO

Past
* Games Editor at Softpedia

Education
* Universitatea 'Spiru Haret' din Bucuresti- Graduation expected in 2011

Author was a video game reviewer and is still in a Romanian University. Get better source material.
And, I am still waiting on my education relating to the federal government. Yesterday, you seemed very confused about what the Constitution permitted and how case law is used.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Author's (of your cited material) resume:
Current
* Editor at RPMGO

Past
* Games Editor at Softpedia

Education
* Universitatea 'Spiru Haret' din Bucuresti- Graduation expected in 2011

Author was a video game reviewer and is still in a Romanian University. Get better source material.
And, I am still waiting on my education relating to the federal government. Yesterday, you seemed very confused about what the Constitution permitted and how case law is used.

Wont be able to reply until tomorrow as I wont be around tonight but you will get a rebuttal.

[Serpico1103]

Wont be able to reply until tomorrow as I wont be around tonight but you will get a rebuttal.

Make it a Venti.

[Crispy123]

Who has a chicken little approach? I dont think the feds are coming after my house or car. Leave that up to the Becks of the world. As far as spending, the feds are spending way too much. It was too much under dubya and its even more out of control

I never said the feds are controlling every move or has hidden cameras, but they are overstepping their boundaries with the patriot act, DHS etc.

This is where you and the so called "conservatives" are wrong. Spending billions on two wars when we were attacked domestically and should have responded by spending a couple of million on an investigation, arrests, trials and convictions of the surviving people responsible for a criminal act (that was identified by the FBI and CIA while it was being perpetrated no less). That is out of control.

Government spending on domestic issues like health care, financial regulation and unemployment in a downturn is defeating a depression. We learned this through Japan's inaction through their downturn in the last Century.

This is why the tea partiers and the GOP are just rascist obstructionists IMO. Because this administration has been undoing the jacked up shit the conservatives have done with this country and a budget surplus and its called socialism. Where were the protests when the "redistribution of wealth" went to Exxon, Blackwater, and Golman Sachs???

[EliSnow]

Wont be able to reply until tomorrow as I wont be around tonight but you will get a rebuttal.



It won't make sense, but you will get a rebuttal.

[Barnaby Jones]

No WF overnight? REJOICE!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Make it a Venti.

Sure the supreme court can make a ruling that a specific text thats not mentioned in the constitution is related to other items that are clearly written has some sort of federal interest, the supreme court hasn't ruled that it is a federal benefit so the states have power for education standards.


Going to sit back and wait for the 1st person to yell out TENTHER!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is where you and the so called "conservatives" are wrong. Spending billions on two wars when we were attacked domestically and should have responded by spending a couple of million on an investigation, arrests, trials and convictions of the surviving people responsible for a criminal act (that was identified by the FBI and CIA while it was being perpetrated no less). That is out of control.

Government spending on domestic issues like health care, financial regulation and unemployment in a downturn is defeating a depression. We learned this through Japan's inaction through their downturn in the last Century.

This is why the tea partiers and the GOP are just rascist obstructionists IMO. Because this administration has been undoing the jacked up shit the conservatives have done with this country and a budget surplus and its called socialism. Where were the protests when the "redistribution of wealth" went to Exxon, Blackwater, and Golman Sachs???


Come on Marine youre better than that. Anyone opposed to Obama is not racist. Iraq might be winding down but Obama is ramping up an impossible situation in Afghanistan and spending billions more for what? We both know that troops cant just pick up and leave overnight, however theres really no clear plan in Afghanistan

The redistribution of wealth is continuing in regards to blackwater. Under Obama blackwater still has the contracts, that prison in Bagram got expanded after Obama took office. Companies like Goldman and other Wall St firms are just as cozy with the dems IE Schumer , Dodd and Obama. Look at the redistribution of wealth when it comes to farm subsidies and ethanol thats more billions pissed away every year.

This mantra of yoa gotta spend money to get out of this, can't work. Theres a decreasing number of taxpayers and more recipients.

[Crispy123]

Come on Marine youre better than that. Anyone opposed to Obama is not racist. Iraq might be winding down but Obama is ramping up an impossible situation in Afghanistan and spending billions more for what? We both know that troops cant just pick up and leave overnight, however theres really no clear plan in Afghanistan

The redistribution of wealth is continuing in regards to blackwater. Under Obama blackwater still has the contracts, that prison in Bagram got expanded after Obama took office. Companies like Goldman and other Wall St firms are just as cozy with the dems IE Schumer , Dodd and Obama. Look at the redistribution of wealth when it comes to farm subsidies and ethanol thats more billions pissed away every year.

This mantra of yoa gotta spend money to get out of this, can't work. Theres a decreasing number of taxpayers and more recipients.

yeah I know both sides do it, that's my point. Its the hypocrit conservatives that are throwing around the term socialist.

How is the number of taxpayers decreasing? SS and medicare were becoming insolvent because the people that paid in are living longer lives than estimated and reform was coming one way or another. I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing.

History has already proven you wrong. Government inaction is what leads from a recession to a depression.

[sailor]

History has already proven you wrong. Government inaction is what leads from a recession to a depression.

and the new deal did so much to bring us out of it? history's never quite so cut-and-dried as you're making out.

[EliSnow]

Sure the supreme court can make a ruling that a specific text thats not mentioned in the constitution is related to other items that are clearly written has some sort of federal interest, the supreme court hasn't ruled that it is a federal benefit so the states have power for education standards.


Going to sit back and wait for the 1st person to yell out TENTHER!!!!

The federal government has never dictated education standards of cirriculum to the states. To the extent that it requires acceptanve of certain standards to receive federal money, that is not a violation of the 10th amendment because states do not have to accept federal money.

[Crispy123]

and the new deal did so much to bring us out of it? history's never quite so cut-and-dried as you're making out.

It's subjective.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah I know both sides do it, that's my point. Its the hypocrit conservatives that are throwing around the term socialist.

How is the number of taxpayers decreasing? SS and medicare were becoming insolvent because the people that paid in are living longer lives than estimated and reform was coming one way or another. I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing.

History has already proven you wrong. Government inaction is what leads from a recession to a depression.

These programs have unintended consequences, The drafters of SS /Medicare most likely didnt put into consideration that people would live longer. This new healthcare bill will probably have the same effect and will be insolvent down the road

As far as socialism, It has not begun with Obama its been around for at least 75-80 years, some say going as far back as Woodrow Wilsons administration.

I dont see the stars and bars being replaced by a red flag, however its becoming like a slow march to a Western European social democracy

[foodcourtdruide]

If the money wasn't there than how is it a successful investment? Do you know the concept of a balance sheet at all? That money was borrowed

Borrowed from the government by GM? Yes, but you understand the government prevented their own loss by lending the money. Preventing the massive amounts of jobs lost if the bailouts didn't occur is why it was a brilliant investment.

[Serpico1103]

The federal government has never dictated education standards of cirriculum to the states. To the extent that it requires acceptanve of certain standards to receive federal money, that is not a violation of the 10th amendment because states do not have to accept federal money.
You understood his post? Wow.

[EliSnow]

You understood his post? Wow.

I really didn't but assumed by his reference to a tenther that his argument is that the federal government's alleged dictation of standards was a violation of the tenth amendment. It is a flawed argument but it is the best one (relatively) he could be making.

[Syd]

and the new deal did so much to bring us out of it? history's never quite so cut-and-dried as you're making out.

What did bring America out of the depression? World War 2, when 50% of America's GDP was going towards government spending?

If you don't think the New Deal helped then you're obviously in the camp that realizes the Keynesian policies didn't go far enough.

Given how low inflation still is in America, if anything, government spending through Keynesian policies should increase. If we're not pegged at 3%, we're not spending enough on rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and waning science.

[sailor]

What did bring America out of the depression? World War 2, when 50% of America's GDP was going towards government spending?

If you don't think the New Deal helped then you're obviously in the camp that realizes the Keynesian policies didn't go far enough.

Given how low inflation still is in America, if anything, government spending through Keynesian policies should increase. If we're not pegged at 3%, we're not spending enough on rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure and waning science.

just look at the facts. when did the new deal start? when did we come out of the depression? of course it was ww2 that pulled us out.

[Syd]

just look at the facts. when did the new deal start? when did we come out of the depression? of course it was ww2 that pulled us out.

So the New Deal didn't work because it wasn't properly funded. The only way to pull a country from the grips of depression is to have a government budget of roughly 50% of the GDP of the nation. Gotcha.

[A.J.]

And your truck is ugly!

http://i.imgur.com/RnJkr.jpg

Is he handicapped? Physically?

Yep. From a motorcycle accident.

And he had to remove that mural from his truck and change his license plates: which some thought were a coded racist message. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042805335.html?hpid=moreheadlines)

[Serpico1103]

Yep. From a motorcycle accident.

And he had to remove that mural from his truck and change his license plates: which some thought were a coded racist message. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/28/AR2010042805335.html?hpid=moreheadlines)
The totality of the signs (confederate flag, CV plates, neo-nazi numbers, anti-islam mural) doesn't make him a sympathetic target. I know numbers may not be neo-nazi references, but with everything else, there has to be some doubt.
If he is such a proud patriot, stand up for your rights; appeal the dmv, fight employer decision.

[Drew85]

http://jalopnik.com/5527225/update-non+racist-nascar+loving-truck-owner-actually-racist

[Serpico1103]

http://jalopnik.com/5527225/update-non+racist-nascar+loving-truck-owner-actually-racist

Oops. Fair to say that anyone who refers to themselves as "Aryan" is a racist.

"100% WHITE MAN, 100% ARYAN, 100% PRO-LIFE (Children are innocent), 100% PRO DEATH PENALTY (Criminal Scum aren't innocent). Over the past 28 years; I, like David Duke, have had an Awakening."

[Jujubees2]

Oops. Fair to say that anyone who refers to themselves as "Aryan" is a racist.

"100% WHITE MAN, 100% ARYAN, 100% PRO-LIFE (Children are innocent), 100% PRO DEATH PENALTY (Criminal Scum aren't innocent). Over the past 28 years; I, like David Duke, have had an Awakening."

But his sister-in-law and niece are Jewish. He even went to her bat mitzvah!

[Serpico1103]

But his sister-in-law and niece are Jewish. He even went to her bat mitzvah!

Did he say whether he went in his Nazi uniform?

[Jujubees2]

But his sister-in-law and niece are Jewish. He even went to her bat mitzvah!

Did he say whether he went in his Nazi uniform?

I'm surprised he didn't pull the "Some of my friends are black" card...

[CurseoftheBambi]

update: update: his facebook page is gone...i say he removed it himself.

and i'm surprised he doesnt list O&A especially Anthony as one of his likes.

[KnoxHarrington]

Like a snake swallowing its own tail, Palin's supporters are turning on her, over her decision to endorse Carly Fiorina in the California Republican primary.

After Palin announced the endorsement on her Facebook page, a number of her followers questioned why she would side with Fiorina instead of the more conservative candidate in the race, Assemblyman Chuck DeVore.

DeVore has the backing of several leading voices in the conservative movement, including Sen. Jim DeMint, RedState.com editor Erick Erickson and the Tea Party Express.

Though a handful of readers agreed with Palin's decision, most were upset.

"This is very, very disappointing," Rick Sheridan, one of her supporters, posted on Palin's page. "Sarah, you've got to be more careful. This woman does not represent conservative values. And the choice is so clear. Serious damage to your base here."

Who would have thought that if you base your political career on stirring up anger and resentment, it might turn back on you? What a shocker!

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/07/trending-palin-irks-her-supporters-with-california-endorsement/?fbid=l8gCBY_DdZ_

[CurseoftheBambi]

i assume his posting rights on her facebook page have been taken away.

[SatCam]

Fiorina's team disputed the notion that Palin's endorsement is inconsistent with the the Tea Party movement. Spokeswoman Julie Soderlund pointed to a recent Field Poll that found Tea Party supporters prefer Fiorina over Campbell and DeVore.

why would anyone willingly associate themselves with the Tea Partiers?

[high fly]

and the new deal did so much to bring us out of it? history's never quite so cut-and-dried as you're making out.

The great Depression ended in 1933, but we were in such a deep hole it took many years to get out of it.
The New Deal did a tremendous amount of good in providing jobs and improving the lives of millions of Americans.
I could argue for it all day, but here is just one fantastic New Deal program: rural electrification. Before the New Deal, 90% of rural America did not have electricity. By constructing about 20 dams on the Tennessee River and embarking on other such projects, the New Deal provided for many jobs while delivering electricity to areas which had none. This, along with other programs to improve roads and water and sewer systems made it possible for industry to move in and establish manufacturing plants in those areas.

I'll give you another one. My grandfather was a veterinarian and was part of a New Deal program to provide innoculations for livestock against diseases like anthrax and hoof-and-mouth disease. Back then these diseases would wipe out large parts of various herds of livestock and getting them innoculated made farmers more productive and kept many from being wiped out.

Here's one more for you: Until the New Deal, farming was almost totally a manual pursuit. One new Deal program provided loans to farmers so they could buy expensive equipment like combines and tractors. Something like 100,000 tractors were sold soon after the program began. This program transformed agriculture, making farmers far more productive and making it possible for them to cultivate more land. It also gave a huge boost to the farm equipment manufacturing business, providing them hundreds of thousands of new customers, and they hired thousands of workers to make that equipment.

[Furtherman]

Oh dear.

See Bristol Palin's acting debut on 'Secret Life' (video) (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/06/bristol-palin-secret-life-video-.html)

[torker]

Oh dear.

See Bristol Palin's acting debut on 'Secret Life' (video) (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/06/bristol-palin-secret-life-video-.html)

Oh Rachel, you've come back

[Serpico1103]

Oh dear.

See Bristol Palin's acting debut on 'Secret Life' (video) (http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/2010/06/bristol-palin-secret-life-video-.html)

She has dead eyes. Probably had a cue card held up two feet from her face. Cute though.

[HBox]

You know what that reminded me of?

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[A.J.]

Milf!

[torker]

The father of Sarah Palin’s grandchild backtracked Tuesday from scores of comments he made about the Palin family over the past two years, offering a public apology for saying "things that were not completely true."
"Last year, after Bristol and I broke up, I was unhappy and a little angry. Unfortunately, against my better judgment, I publicly said things about the Palins that were not completely true,” Johnston said in the statement.

“I have already privately apologized to Todd and Sarah. Since my statements were public, I owe it to the Palins to publicly apologize." (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/levi-johnston-apologizes-palin-family/)

Thank god the gloves are back on.
http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/levi-johnston-playgirl-2.jpg

[Tenbatsuzen]

Oh, and the reason for the apology?

http://cdn02.cdn.thesuperficial.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/0714-bristol-palin-levi-johnston-00.jpg


:wallbash:

[Tenbatsuzen]

The mom has dark hair and dark eyes.

The father has dark hair and dark eyes.

The baby is blonde and blue-eyed.

Am I failing genetics again?

[epo]

The mom has dark hair and dark eyes.

The father has dark hair and dark eyes.

The baby is blonde and blue-eyed.

Am I failing genetics again?

Yes. Recessive genes.

[epo]

http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/images/If%20the%20key%20fiits%2001.gif

[HBox]

http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/images/If%20the%20key%20fiits%2001.gif

Heh heh, you said PeePee a lot. Heh heh.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Yes. Recessive genes.

Todd and Sarah are also dark haired/dark eyes as well.

Dunno what Levi's parents look like

[epo]

Todd and Sarah are also dark haired/dark eyes as well.

Dunno what Levi's parents look like

The larger point is ... who cares?

[Hottub]

The larger point is ... who cares?

Every now and again...:clap:

[Recyclerz]

The mom has dark hair and dark eyes.

The father has dark hair and dark eyes.

The baby is blonde and blue-eyed.
Am I failing genetics again?

The real biological father was Michael Jackson. Mystery solved. :wink:

[scottinnj]

Todd and Sarah are also dark haired/dark eyes as well.

Dunno what Levi's parents look like

Well, at least they're not Aryans.

[scottinnj]

http://www.physics.uwo.ca/science_olympics/images/If%20the%20key%20fiits%2001.gif

If I had a PhD in something, that illustration would probably be erotic to me.
Especially the OVA part.

[epo]

If I had a PhD in something, that illustration would probably be erotic to me.
Especially the OVA part.

Don't lie to me...you know how erotic it is.

[brettmojo]

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[Chigworthy]

We've reached a point where images of punnet squares are being posted. I say lock it up.

[Dude!]

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I love those things!

[keithy_19]

The larger point is ... who cares?

:clap:
Just thought it was worth mentoning again.

[brettmojo]

It's off. Again. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/03/bristol-palin-levi-johnston-engagement-called-off-again/?fbid=ogzDLVtjGHx)

"It's over. I broke up with him," Bristol Palin told People Magazine. Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told the magazine her daughter has learned a valuable lesson: "to trust but verify."

"The final straw was him flying to Hollywood for what he told me was to see some hunting show but come to find out it was that music video mocking my family," she said. "He's just obsessed with the limelight and I got played."

It's like a gift that keeps on giving.

[hanso]

Move over papa bear. Mamma griz is here now.

[Jujubees2]

The gift that keeps on giving:

Sarah Palin Confronts Alaska Protester With 'Worst Governor Ever' Sign (http://gawker.com/5608297/sarah-palin-confronts-alaska-protester-with-worst-governor-ever-sign)

[Furtherman]

The gift that keeps on giving:

Sarah Palin Confronts Alaska Protester With 'Worst Governor Ever' Sign (http://gawker.com/5608297/sarah-palin-confronts-alaska-protester-with-worst-governor-ever-sign)

That is fantasitc. What a dolt.

[Crispy123]

The gift that keeps on giving:

Sarah Palin Confronts Alaska Protester With 'Worst Governor Ever' Sign (http://gawker.com/5608297/sarah-palin-confronts-alaska-protester-with-worst-governor-ever-sign)

This was in the comments section of the article and it made me LOL.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2010/08/6e006728fdba93380677fcf55c9aa294/340x.jpg

[Serpico1103]

This was in the comments section of the article and it made me LOL.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2010/08/6e006728fdba93380677fcf55c9aa294/340x.jpg

And one stupid cunt.

[hanso]

This was in the comments section of the article and it made me LOL.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2010/08/6e006728fdba93380677fcf55c9aa294/340x.jpg

Well she did speak in tongues that time.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I am certainly no fan of Palin. I wish she would just stay out of public life, however where are the special comments by Olbermann or any other sort of outrage? Crickets chirping


I really dont see the obsession with her. Shes a half governor she holds no power at all.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/12/legislator-resigns-after-dead-palin-comment/

[pennington]

I really dont see the obsession with her.

Because if people don't have Palin to mock they may actually look at the incompetent crew that is currently running this country.

[Dudeman]

Are you more worried that there are people that could support this administration or more worried that there are people that could support Palin?

[pennington]

Are you more worried that there are people that could support this administration or more worried that there are people that could support Palin?

As far as I'm concerned, Palin is a non-issue. I am seriously worried about how this Administration, Senate and House are running things.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TGy3GvVc9cI/AAAAAAAA5Ho/PYkAQRmh71A/s400/PalinLaura.jpg

She didn't a few months ago tried to curb David Letterman's free speech did she? Nah it couldn't have been this champion of free speech no?

[Willmore]

The Juneau Juno, Dancing Edition.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b197302_exclusive_bristol_palin_coming_dancing.htm l

[Furtherman]

The Juneau Juno, Dancing Edition.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b197302_exclusive_bristol_palin_coming_dancing.htm l

Oh good.

She'll be as graceful as that bitch with 8 kids.

[angrymissy]

The Juneau Juno, Dancing Edition.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b197302_exclusive_bristol_palin_coming_dancing.htm l

Don't criticize her dancing! YOU WILL BE ATTACKING TEH CHILDREN1!!1

[CurseoftheBambi]

wait wait wait...i thought levi was the attention whore who wanted to be on reality tv and that's why she dumped him.

and by the way SHE'S NOT A FUCKING STAR...SHE GOT KNOCKED UP !!!!!!!


ugh...wordless (not really) with disgust (really)! :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

Oh i hope whomever her partner is dumps her on her ass several times.

[Fillmore Slim]

Every time I see this thread title I think of this guy.

http://www.olympic.ca/media/files/photos/joe%20juneau_jpg_427x1200_upscale_q85.jpg

[Jujubees2]

I prefer this photo of Joey

http://www.oqdiamondm.com/current/JUNEAU.jpg

[EliSnow]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_t6rV3U9ZEHM/TGy3GvVc9cI/AAAAAAAA5Ho/PYkAQRmh71A/s400/PalinLaura.jpg

She didn't a few months ago tried to curb David Letterman's free speech did she? Nah it couldn't have been this champion of free speech no?

She also doesn't understand what the First Amendment says.

[Syd]

She also doesn't understand what the First Amendment says.

She also doesn't understand what she is saying. As some of you might have seen on the Daily Show, she was criticizing Rahm Emanuel for nearly the exact same thing.

I cannot wait till time makes her ugly and unelectable. I'm so sick and tired of her idiotic demagoguery. She's like a fucking speak and spell for people who open beer cans with their teeth.

[Barnaby Jones]

She also doesn't understand what she is saying. As some of you might have seen on the Daily Show, she was criticizing Rahm Emanuel for nearly the exact same thing.

I cannot wait till time makes her ugly and unelectable. I'm so sick and tired of her idiotic demagoguery. She's like a fucking speak and spell for people who open beer cans with their teeth.

Guess she didn't expect "first amendment rights" to apply to Letterman, too!

[Syd]

Guess she didn't expect "first amendment rights" to apply to Letterman, too!

I forgot about that. What a fucking scumbag she is. No wonder she can't keep her house.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If there is a God I hope she doesn't run in '12 and furthermore I hope she doesn't get the nomination. As nutty as it sounds I might vote for Obama

[Syd]

If there is a God I hope she doesn't run in '12 and furthermore I hope she doesn't get the nomination. As nutty as it sounds I might vote for Obama

She's the sort of blindly pro-corporate, "small" government shitbag that Bush was. If she wins, kiss any of your hopes for a solution to immigration issues or low taxes goodbye. Fuck her and everything she represents -- just as Obama has destroyed the Democratic party as a source of reasonable opposition to the Republican party, Palin will do the same for the GOP if it hasn't already happened now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

She's the sort of blindly pro-corporate, "small" government shitbag that Bush was. If she wins, kiss any of your hopes for a solution to immigration issues or low taxes goodbye. Fuck her and everything she represents -- just as Obama has destroyed the Democratic party as a source of reasonable opposition to the Republican party, Palin will do the same for the GOP if it hasn't already happened now.

Agreed except for one arguement. dubya expanded the gov't more than anyne since LBJ

[Syd]

Agreed except for one arguement. dubya expanded the gov't more than anyne since LBJ

Republicans aren't calling him on it yet. If they wake the fuck up, he'll be that guy but until then there's not an official death of the core principles of the GOP. Just unofficial unless they realize it.

[A.J.]

Agreed except for one arguement. dubya expanded the gov't more than anyne since LBJ

Republicans aren't calling him on it yet. If they wake the fuck up, he'll be that guy but until then there's not an official death of the core principles of the GOP. Just unofficial unless they realize it.

But it's OK because "9/11 changed everything".

[epo]

If there is a God I hope she doesn't run in '12 and furthermore I hope she doesn't get the nomination. As nutty as it sounds I might vote for Obama

I say a little pray every night that Palin wins the GOP nomination in 2012.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I say a little pray every night that Palin wins the GOP nomination in 2012.

Each time you pray for that, God kills a kitten

[weekapaugjz]

Each time you pray for that, God kills a kitten

So fewer kittens and no chance of palin actually winning the presidency? Sounds like a win-win situation.

[brettmojo]

http://cdn.wg.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bristol-sarah-palin.jpg

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/08/30/palin-speaking-demands/

Palin’s Speaking Demands Confirmed: $75K, SUVs, Deluxe Hotel Suites, Bendable Straws, And No Public Access

In April, two students at Cal State Stanislaus found a partial copy of a speaker’s contract for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. The partial copy revealed that Palin, who was due to speak at the university in June, has “more demands than an opera diva when she hits the road,” as the New York Post put it. It revealed Palin requires a chauffeured black SUV to get her to and from the airport, first class airfare or a private jet, a pre-approved “deluxe hotel” suite, and two bottles of water placed next to the lectern with “bendable straws.”

Many doubted the authenticity of the contract, and Palin blasted the students for digging it up, accusing them of trying to “silence” her. But on Friday, a California judge ordered the release of the full contract under a freedom of information law, proving the partial copy is indeed authentic. The full contract confirms her “diva” demands, and provides new details, from her $75,000 price tag to other extravagances she requires:

– Jet: Not just any private plane will suffice: “The private aircraft MUST BE a Lear 60 or larger (as defined by interior cabin space) for West Coast Events; or, a Hawker 800 or Larger,” for East Coast events. But even if organizers arrange for a private jet, if Palin “changes her mind and opts to fly via commercial flights for US events, the Customer must be prepared to cover the cost of first class round trip airfare for two, and full, unrestricted round trip coach for two.”

– Visiting with heads of state: For international appearances, Palin “reserves the right to visit privately with the host government’s Head of State,” as well as “accept the invitation of [the] host government to overnight at an official residence.”

– Hotels: All hotels have to be “deluxe” and pre-approved by her representatives, with the room booked under an “alias.” Even non-overnight stays require hotel rooms, including a “holding suite” and “one or two single rooms.”

– Stage: The contract has very specific instructions about how the stage and lectern should be arranged. Lighting should be “comfortable, but at an appropriate production level for the Speaker,” and the lecterns should be made of wood — “no Plexiglass or thin lecterns.”

The contract also makes numerous demands to limit the public’s and the media’s access to Palin:

– Questions: All audience questions must be pre-approved, and can only be asked by a moderator or “designated representative,” who must be approved by Palin’s party.

– Media: “All requests for press or media coverage” of the event must be submitted far in advance for approval. “If media coverage is approved,” Palin’s Representatives need a complete list of “media outlets expected to attend” 10 days in advance.

– Recording: The media are only permitted to record the first three minutes of Palin’s speech, and then just for B-roll (no audio, video only). Recording of any other kind is strictly prohibited, unless authorized by Palin, and all personal recording devices, including cell phones, have to be turned off “at all events in which Speaker is present.” Only a campus photographer is permitted document to entire speech, and then only approved photos can be published.

– Autographs and photo ops: “Unless agreed to” early on, organizers “shall not permit or assist in the request for autographs while the speaker is on site.” Photo opportunities have to be pre-approved, and photos are for personal use only and can’t be re-printed. The contract provides very specific instructions, including a diagram, of how the photo opportunity should be conducted.

– Face-time: Paying the $75,000 for Palin’s visit won’t buy you access to the half-term governor. Palin, her “traveling party, and the plane crew will be the only passengers onboard the private jet.” And “[o]nly representatives of the Speaker or WSB are to meet the speaker at the arriving/departing airports.”

– Promotional material: All advertising, press releases, and promotional materials, such as flyers and posters, must be pre-approved, as must be sponsoring organizations.

– Receptions: A full list of all those attending (”including name, title, and affiliation”) must be provided in advance.

The tight restrictions on access reflect Palin’s media strategy, which insulates her as much as possible from tough questions by confining her to Facebook statements and Fox News. Palin, who cultivates a salt-of-the-earth image, got into trouble during the 2008 presidential campaign after Politico revealed that the RNC had shelled out $150,000 Palin shopping sprees at Saks Fifth Avenue and Bloomingdale’s, among other high-end stores.

Palin’s black SUV was likely among this row of chauffeured black cars parked near the Lincoln Memorial on Saturday for Glenn Beck’s big “Restoring Honor” rally and fundraiser:

:wacko::nono:

[KnoxHarrington]

Stuff like the details of the contract show me that this is all a carny act to fleece the rubes. Why run for President if you can just keep getting fat ass paychecks like this?

[booster11373]

Its a brilliant approach but so harmful to political discourse in this country.

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/7/2010/09/54c34a27c95457d0193bf32b9ccf63e4/340x.jpg

:lol:

[A.J.]

Not bad.

http://l.yimg.com/l/im_siggYwVCxuwO4z0YClHYd_6.CA---y400/tv/us/img/site/07/99/0000070799_20100903134704.jpg

[brettmojo]

Not bad at all.

[angrymissy]

So much for her request for "modest" outfits

[Kevin]

Not bad.

http://l.yimg.com/l/im_siggYwVCxuwO4z0YClHYd_6.CA---y400/tv/us/img/site/07/99/0000070799_20100903134704.jpg

Eh, id hit it..

[A.J.]

So much for her request for "modest" outfits

Compared to some of the other stuff, that's a friggin' abaya.

[Dudeman]

Eh, id hit it..

http://lynnrockets.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/babies-happen.jpg been there, done that

[angrymissy]

Compared to some of the other stuff, that's a friggin' abaya.

I don't watch the show, but someone on Gawker predicted that as the weight drops from dancing, the clothes will get skimpier

[Dudeman]

So much for her request for "modest" outfits

http://www.disneydreaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Bristol-Palin-Dancing-With-The-Stars.jpg

the pose is modest

[A.J.]

I don't watch the show, but someone on Gawker predicted that as the weight drops from dancing, the clothes will get skimpier

We can only hope.

[angrymissy]

You might even get some of this (this is her partner)

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/fail-owned-discretion-fail2.jpg?w=500&h=375

[Furtherman]

We can only hope.

[hanso]

John McCain's daughter don't like Palin all that much.

[Furtherman]

John McCain's daughter don't like Palin all that much.

Her interview on the Daily Show last night was great.

[pennington]

John McCain's daughter don't like Palin all that much.

She was on Imus' show this morning. She didn't seem like a deep thinker, more like a giggly girl in her 20's.

[KnoxHarrington]

I'm wondering if a campaign against Palin, waged by some others in the Republican Party, is beginning. I think some of the RNC higher-ups might be thinking they have a real chance to win the Presidency in 2012, unless they fuck up and let Palin get the nomination.

If it looks like Obama's a lock, I think they let her go, but if they think this is in play, they'll do what they can to shut Palin down.

[Willmore]

I'm wondering if a campaign against Palin, waged by some others in the Republican Party, is beginning. I think some of the RNC higher-ups might be thinking they have a real chance to win the Presidency in 2012, unless they fuck up and let Palin get the nomination.

If it looks like Obama's a lock, I think they let her go, but if they think this is in play, they'll do what they can to shut Palin down.

I hope so. They have 2 months to fuck up the mid-terms. I have faith.

[hanso]

I'm wondering if a campaign against Palin, waged by some others in the Republican Party, is beginning. I think some of the RNC higher-ups might be thinking they have a real chance to win the Presidency in 2012, unless they fuck up and let Palin get the nomination.

If it looks like Obama's a lock, I think they let her go, but if they think this is in play, they'll do what they can to shut Palin down.

The head of the RNC is on some rock island. Waiting on his 10M$ payday. Ain't no Republican party like a Michael Steele Republican party.

[CurseoftheBambi]

The Stupid IS STRONG!!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/images/Continetti_Book_Cover.preview.jpg

THE WEEKLY STANDARD has obtained an advance copy of the new paperback edition of The Persecution of Sarah Palin by (THE WEEKLY STANDARD's) Matthew Continetti. As you can see on the cover, the book carries with it the official endorsement of none other than Sarah Palin herself. "Matthew Continetti rips the lid off the lamestream media in this must-read book," says Palin. "These truthful accounts of media bias shed light on what's wrong with the information flow today," the Palin blurb continues on the back cover.

The paperback edition will be released September 28, but you can pre-order your copy now at Amazon.com for the low, low price of $10.88.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE:!!!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/themes/weeklystandard/images/AD.Blog-billboard.Refudiate.jpg

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[KatPw]

The Stupid IS STRONG!!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/files/images/Continetti_Book_Cover.preview.jpg

THE WEEKLY STANDARD has obtained an advance copy of the new paperback edition of The Persecution of Sarah Palin by (THE WEEKLY STANDARD's) Matthew Continetti. As you can see on the cover, the book carries with it the official endorsement of none other than Sarah Palin herself. "Matthew Continetti rips the lid off the lamestream media in this must-read book," says Palin. "These truthful accounts of media bias shed light on what's wrong with the information flow today," the Palin blurb continues on the back cover.

The paperback edition will be released September 28, but you can pre-order your copy now at Amazon.com for the low, low price of $10.88.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE:!!!

http://www.weeklystandard.com/sites/all/themes/weeklystandard/images/AD.Blog-billboard.Refudiate.jpg

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash: :wallbash::wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:
I'm sure Palin's PAC will buy up most of the books, like the Scientologists do with Dianetics.

[Jujubees2]

Anyone catch the new Ben Folds cd? One of the songs is called Levi Johnston's Blues. the chorus is:

I'm a fuckin' redneck, I live to hang out with the boys
Play some hockey, do some fishin' and kill some moose
I like to shoot the shit and do some chillin' I guess
You fuck with me and I'll kick your ass

You can hear it at http://www.spinner.com/new-releases#/5

[angrymissy]

Most uncomfortable dance ever
http://gawker.com/5661899/bristol-palin-rips-a-mans-shirt-off-while-her-mother-claps-meekly

[Willmore]

Most uncomfortable dance ever
http://gawker.com/5661899/bristol-palin-rips-a-mans-shirt-off-while-her-mother-claps-meekly

If you dance with a gay man, does it make you a lesbian? I'm not sure how the rules work.

[Furtherman]

Most uncomfortable dance ever
http://gawker.com/5661899/bristol-palin-rips-a-mans-shirt-off-while-her-mother-claps-meekly

There has to be a sniper off stage with a target on her head. Clearly she's been forced to act.... sexy?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

John McCain's daughter don't like Palin all that much.

No fan of Palin but what weight does McCains daughter carry? Shes an overprivilged daddy's girl.

[Barnaby Jones]

No fan of Palin but what weight does McCains daughter carry?

Her gigantic rack!

[A.J.]

No fan of Palin but what weight does McCains daughter carry? Shes an overprivilged daddy's girl.

Her gigantic rack!

I always try to keep abreast of Meghan McCain news.

http://thecampofthesaints.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/meghan-mccain-twit-pic-560.jpg

[StanUpshaw]

http://imgur.com/Dw0s6.jpg

Still!?

What do notecards cost? Like 79 cents?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Is it just me, or is Bristol actually getting... heavier?

[Dudeman]

"Real" Americans exercising their civic duty. (http://www.insidebayarea.com/news/ci_16516427)

[Dudeman]

In retrospect, Palin's 3 most heavily backed candidates actually all lost

-O'Donnell
-Sharron Angel
-Joe Miller

[A.J.]

Is it just me, or is Bristol actually getting... heavier?

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z35/royone_bucket/Airplane%20captures/johnny-leon3.jpg

[Willmore]

Is it just me, or is Bristol actually getting... heavier?


I'd still fuck her.

[Dudeman]

http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z35/royone_bucket/Airplane%20captures/johnny-leon3.jpg

That's what I thought when I read that quote.

RIP Stephen Stucker

[hanso]

http://www.10pix.ru/img1/1250/2742005.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

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Looks like someone has got a little Situation in the oven!!!! Who the hell gets fatter being on a show like that?!?! She's knocked up again!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/UyWKlxNAh30?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UyWKlxNAh30?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

Looks like someone has got a little Situation in the oven!!!! Who the hell gets fatter being on a show like that?!?! She's knocked up again!!!

Got about a minute into it. Is this a real show? I've never watched Dancing with the Stars. Is this really what people watch? I am dumbfounded.

[Dudeman]

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Looks like someone has got a little Situation in the oven!!!! Who the hell gets fatter being on a show like that?!?! She's knocked up again!!!

"I'm not going to get myself into ANOTHER situation." - Bristol Palin

That ain't the way abstinence only works.

[Barnaby Jones]

Look at the balls on her saying "she knows what it's like being a teenage mom!" No, you know what it's like being a millionaire teenage mom!!!!

[Furtherman]

No words for that ad.

No words.


They should have sent a poet.

[angrymissy]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/17/palin-i-am-thinking-about-2012-bid/?hpt=T2

The woman is delusional.

Quits halfway through her term as Governor, and thinks she can handle the Presidency? Seriously? I hope she runs and gets the nom.

[Dudeman]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/17/palin-i-am-thinking-about-2012-bid/?hpt=T2

The woman is delusional.

Quits halfway through her term as Governor, and thinks she can handle the Presidency? Seriously? I hope she runs and gets the nom.

Unfortunately I don't think she will run- we need her stoopidity to be further demonstrated. Appearing on Fox and spouting some bs sloagans continues to dumb down the right. She remembers the pain of 2008. She just wants money and fame, and being mocked while running for pres wouldn't be as fun and profitable as her current gigs. She just keeps putting this stuff out there to keep her name in the news and to string the rubes along. (I'm afraid the pride of Biola University, John Thune, will run and get the nomination.)

[A.J.]

Palin-O'Donnell 2012!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Palin-O'Donnell 2012!!!

Hot !!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/17/palin-i-am-thinking-about-2012-bid/?hpt=T2

The woman is delusional.

Quits halfway through her term as Governor, and thinks she can handle the Presidency? Seriously? I hope she runs and gets the nom.

I hope not!!!!!

Thst will just prove not everyone who is 18 and over and has a pulse should vote :wallbash:

[Dudeman]

No fan of Palin but what weight does McCains daughter carry? Shes an overprivilged daddy's girl.

How has that stopped the Right before?

http://www.islamicmediacity.com/cms_files/news_images/1202758068.jpg

[Dudeman]

Thst will just prove not everyone who is 18 and over and has a pulse should vote :wallbash:

We already have proof of that...

http://www.the-bastard.com/images/articles/1400.jpg

Come on, you set yourself up for that :tongue:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We already have proof of that...

http://www.the-bastard.com/images/articles/1400.jpg

Come on, you set yourself up for that :tongue:

Thanks for the fastball :clap:


http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_lOcmkbU5fo0/TFJ8PBvTxqI/AAAAAAAAASM/fTrAc5RkvX8/s1600/rangel.jpg


http://www.humanevents.com/images/maxine-waters1.jpg


http://neveryetmelted.com/wp-images/PelosiConfused.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

I'd love to see a breakdown of why WF thinks Pelosi is so awful! What are the odds it extends anywhere beyond something like "she's ugly/annoying" and that she's some kind of socialist/Big Government monster?