Obama - Best President Ever?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The irony here is that some of you guys will bitch that he hasn't "fixed" the things he said he would knowing that he has only been in office for 9 months while refusing to acknowledge that the problems he inherited were created by your hero.It seems to be perfectly allright to hold him to a different standard than the last guy.Why is that?You gym rats weren't on here crying for the last 8 years.

As someone who voted for Bush, I had many disagreements like his open borders policy, the out of control spending, the mismanagement of the Wars, Harriet Myers, prescription drug bill aka Medicare part D. Before Obama took office Bush expanded the federal government the most since LBJ. How the hell is that being "conservative"? Big deal he's a bible thumper. A conservative at its core is someone who is fiscally conservative, Bush was not that at all His 8 years damaged the republican party and many like myself have left and become libertarians. McCain would have been just as bad as Obama thats why I didnt vote for him

As far as Obama he is quadrupling down on stupidity. Spending trillions of dollars is going to make Bush look like an economic genius sad to say. If you still believe that only the top 5% are going to pay for all of this you are very naive

[beachbum]

As someone who voted for Bush, I had many disagreements like his open borders policy, the out of control spending, the mismanagement of the Wars, Harriet Myers, prescription drug bill aka Medicare part D. Before Obama took office Bush expanded the federal government the most since LBJ. How the hell is that being "conservative"? Big deal he's a bible thumper. A conservative at its core is someone who is fiscally conservative, Bush was not that at all His 8 years damaged the republican party and many like myself have left and become libertarians. McCain would have been just as bad as Obama thats why I didnt vote for him

As far as Obama he is quadrupling down on stupidity. Spending trillions of dollars is going to make Bush look like an economic genius sad to say. If you still believe that only the top 5% are going to pay for all of this you are very naive

Thank you!I don't even think the top 5% should have to pay for all of this.As far as the spending goes alot of the things that are being thrown out there are just proposals.Others are just in the discussion stage.I certainly don't think Obama is the second coming but I don't think he is stupid either.

No president has ever went into office intending to fail.You would have to have a pretty healthy ego to even run for the office.No one wants to go into the history books as a failure.I'm sure that Obama is going to do the things that HE feels are best for the country.I'm sure that Bush did what he truly felt was best as well.This doesn't mean that we have to think what they are doing is right.

My problem is the constant chicken little "the sky is falling" bullshit.This country has been here for over 200 years.Bush did not destroy it.Neither did Clinton,Bush Sr,Reagan,Carter,Ford,Nixon,LBJ,etc.I seriously doubt Obama will destroy us either.Yet to listen to the opposition we are al doomed both as a country and as individuals.Just settle the fuck down already.Every little thing that happens does not signal our impending demise.

[Serpico1103]

My problem is the constant chicken little "the sky is falling" bullshit.This country has been here for over 200 years.Bush did not destroy it.Neither did Clinton,Bush Sr,Reagan,Carter,Ford,Nixon,LBJ,etc.I seriously doubt Obama will destroy us either.Yet to listen to the opposition we are al doomed both as a country and as individuals.Just settle the fuck down already.Every little thing that happens does not signal our impending demise.

I agree. But, we have to understand that the world, including our little "island" is changing. It will never return to the good old days. But, hopefully, we, and the world, will end up better than we were before. However, it will be different and some people hate change of any kind.
Yes, I am looking at you Blowhard.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Milhous Obama??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091021/pl_nm/us_washington_summit_politics_enemies

[A.J.]

Barack Milhous Obama??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091021/pl_nm/us_washington_summit_politics_enemies

The greatness of Nixon lives on!

[TheMojoPin]

Everything is coming up Obama!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FY 09 Budget deficits includes the TARP Bailouts carried over from Dubya, going Forward this is Obamas deficit, he can not blame the previous administration anymore


http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obama-9-10-deficit-chart.gif

[Serpico1103]

FY 09 Budget deficits includes the TARP Bailouts carried over from Dubya, going Forward this is Obamas deficit, he can not blame the previous administration anymore


http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obama-9-10-deficit-chart.gif

Would saying that chart oversimplifies an issue be oversimplifying my explanation.

[Crispy123]

FY 09 Budget deficits includes the TARP Bailouts carried over from Dubya, going Forward this is Obamas deficit, he can not blame the previous administration anymore


http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obama-9-10-deficit-chart.gif

Damn he already balanced the budget left from the incompetents (thats my new term for Bush &co)? He is the best ever.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Damn he already balanced the budget left from the incompetents (thats my new term for Bush &co)? He is the best ever.

Well, er, actually, no. The CBO and WH deficit estimates from the summer, based on the new administration’s budget, are somewhere between 7 and 9 Trillion (Trillion! = $1,000,000,000,000) over the next ten years. He did say in Sep, “and let me make this clear”, that health care will not add anything to the deficit so I would expect that number to remain somewhat “stable” (cough) when the inevitable recalcs are made this Fall.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Geithner went before Congress a few weeks ago and asked them to raise the debt ceiling to 12 trillion and almost zero coverage

[high fly]

FY 09 Budget deficits includes the TARP Bailouts carried over from Dubya, going Forward this is Obamas deficit, he can not blame the previous administration anymore


http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/obama-9-10-deficit-chart.gif


Why the hell did they call that thing Bush signed a year ago the FY 2009 budget if it was not the FY 2009 budget?
Something's fishy here...

[A.J.]

Why the hell did they call that thing Bush signed a year ago the FY 2009 budget if it was not the FY 2009 budget?
Something's fishy here...

FY10 started 1 October.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why the hell did they call that thing Bush signed a year ago the FY 2009 budget if it was not the FY 2009 budget?
Something's fishy here...

My bad that was a typo, FY Starts in October Should have been FY '10

In any case the deficits going forward are on Obama now

[HBox]

My bad that was a typo, FY Starts in October Should have been FY '10

In any case the deficits going forward are on Obama now

Yeah sure, if you ignore the circumstances of the last year and what is politically feasible and what you really want is yet another thing to bash Obama with, then yeah, it's all his fault now. And if we are going down that road let's just blame Iraq and Afghanistan on him too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah sure, if you ignore the circumstances of the last year and what is politically feasible and what you really want is yet another thing to bash Obama with, then yeah, it's all his fault now. And if we are going down that road let's just blame Iraq and Afghanistan on him too.

Obama is winding down in Iraq, As far as Afghanistan on the campaign trail he said that it was one of his priorities, He might be sending 40K more troops hes the CinC

Bush made mistakes theres no arguing that, I know Obama's been POTUS for 9 months However he's not the man who was supposed to walk on Water. If he loses the Indys even more thats not going to look good

Also the media is doing everything to make him look good. For Example Cindy Sheehan is still protesting the wars and actually went to Marthas Vineyard during Obamas vacation, and there wasnt the coverage like when she went to Crawford. The shortages for flu shots is another example. If this would have been Bush you would have seen special comments from Keith Olbermann, but its their man in the Whitehouse so it gets swept under the rug

Brian Williams gushing over Obama, bowing to him figuratively reporting that he eats M&Ms in the White House hallways are an embarassment to real journalism

Now he's battling some commentators on opinion shows and he sends Axelrod and Rahm on the Sunday shows to whine about that.

No one should be compared to fascist dictators as much as I oppose Obamas policies its stupid to make comparisons on that, but Where was the media when this happened for 8 years previous to this? Olbermann spewed out fascist, meanwhile most people couldnt give you a definition on that word

[high fly]

Yeah sure, if you ignore the circumstances of the last year and what is politically feasible and what you really want is yet another thing to bash Obama with, then yeah, it's all his fault now. And if we are going down that road let's just blame Iraq and Afghanistan on him too.



You are being unreasonable to ask for context.
I mean, how unfair is it to look at what was handed off when we can just close our eyes and pretend everything was just hunky-dory the day Obama was sworn in?

One wonders how many of these same people blamed Clinton for the recession that didn't begin until Bush43 had been in office a couple months. Hell, they did all they could to blame Clinton for 9/11 ...

[high fly]

Also the media is doing everything to make him look good. .....


When we look for left-wing media bias we can find it and when we look for right-wing media bias we can find it.


Have you forgotten that Judith Miller was putting White House propaganda on the front page of the New York Times day after day during the runup to the invasion of Iraq?
The major news organizations doled out all that bullshit about the mobile bio-weapons labs, the al Qaeda/Saddam connection, the aluminum tubes, the uranium from Niger, the 45-minute launch window, the WMD-armed UAVs that could hit America from Iraq, with very little critical analysis.
They also repeated the other bullshit put out that the White House had little or no warnings before 9/11.
It took years after the fact for the truth to come out because the media took it easy on Bush.
Have you ever heard anyone grill Condoleezza Rice about her false 9/11 Commission tstimony?
Have you heard anyone ask Dick Cheney why he told us Iraq had "reconstituted nuclear weapons"? Ever heard anyone ask Cheney why he said the invasion of Iraq was a strike at the "geographic center of those who have been attacking us all these years"?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When we look for left-wing media bias we can find it and when we look for right-wing media bias we can find it.


Have you forgotten that Judith Miller was putting White House propaganda on the front page of the New York Times day after day during the runup to the invasion of Iraq?
The major news organizations doled out all that bullshit about the mobile bio-weapons labs, the al Qaeda/Saddam connection, the aluminum tubes, the uranium from Niger, the 45-minute launch window, the WMD-armed UAVs that could hit America from Iraq, with very little critical analysis.
They also repeated the other bullshit put out that the White House had little or no warnings before 9/11.
It took years after the fact for the truth to come out because the media took it easy on Bush.
Have you ever heard anyone grill Condoleezza Rice about her false 9/11 Commission tstimony?
Have you heard anyone ask Dick Cheney why he told us Iraq had "reconstituted nuclear weapons"? Ever heard anyone ask Cheney why he said the invasion of Iraq was a strike at the "geographic center of those who have been attacking us all these years"?

Youre not going to get an arguement from me on any of those. However the same people criticizing Bush for playing Golf while our men and women are dying . Not a peep from the media now that Obama is playing Golf meanwhile Afghanistan is in a tailspin. Now its trendy that the Obamas go on vacation and Michelles shopping trips are TMZ worthy.On the economy If it were any other President you would see clips of Breadlines on the news, But their man the cool dude is POTUS dont even bother reporting on that

Clinton and Bush averaged about 5 campaign stops for politicians running for office Obama is outnumbering them big time on that.

In no way am I defending Bush, he was a huge disappointment and had people like me leaving the GOP, but since Obama does everything Bush is doing now its ok and thats where the double standard is

It seems to me that he wants that title of President but his defenders complain when theres criticism and he constantly blames the previous administration. If he didnt want the job then why did he campaign for 19 months?

[HBox]

Obama is winding down in Iraq, As far as Afghanistan on the campaign trail he said that it was one of his priorities, He might be sending 40K more troops hes the CinC

And he's not responsible for starting either and hasn't been in charge long enough to make a difference. Once the pullout in Iraq starts in earnest and he makes his decision about Afghanistan then current events it's on him. But it's more of Obama cleaning up Bush's mistakes. Somehow he's escaped criticism from far right wing by not righting everything on January 21st but that is ending.

Bush made mistakes theres no arguing that, I know Obama's been POTUS for 9 months However he's not the man who was supposed to walk on Water. If he loses the Indys even more thats not going to look good

The only people who had such ridiculous expectations of the man hate him and didn't vote for him.

Also the media is doing everything to make him look good. For Example Cindy Sheehan is still protesting the wars and actually went to Marthas Vineyard during Obamas vacation, and there wasnt the coverage like when she went to Crawford. The shortages for flu shots is another example. If this would have been Bush you would have seen special comments from Keith Olbermann, but its their man in the Whitehouse so it gets swept under the rug

Brian Williams gushing over Obama, bowing to him figuratively reporting that he eats M&Ms in the White House hallways are an embarassment to real journalism

Now he's battling some commentators on opinion shows and he sends Axelrod and Rahm on the Sunday shows to whine about that.

The media argument again. On the Brian Williams point: the entire journalism world has become addicted to access. So of course Brian Williams was gushing over Obama. Just like Bob Woodward was until Bush became historically reviled.

Cindy Sheehan has been irrelevant for quite some time. Maybe they finally realized this is a woman who was driven over the edge by losing her son. Or maybe she was no longer useful. But they were largely ignoring her before Obama entered office.

And finally, Obama has an entire cable "news" network attacking him 24/7. And it just so happens to be the largest and most watched one. Has there ever been a network who actively promoted protests against a sitting president? No. The so-called liberal media didn't promote the anti-war protests and when they covered it focused on the crazy No War for Oil.Bush is Hitler crowd. As misleading as it is at least they are being consistent in their coverage of both protests. Fox went from mocking the crazies to admiring an classically American protest.

No one should be compared to fascist dictators as much as I oppose Obamas policies its stupid to make comparisons on that, but Where was the media when this happened for 8 years previous to this? Olbermann spewed out fascist, meanwhile most people couldnt give you a definition on that word

Things never change. But you can't compare one guy to an entire cable network. Hell, with Fox Business let's make that two networks.

[conman823]

And he's not responsible for starting either and hasn't been in charge long enough to make a difference.

But it's more of Obama cleaning up Bush's mistakes.

And finally, Obama has an entire cable "news" network attacking him 24/7.

Things never change. But you can't compare one guy to an entire cable network. Hell, with Fox Business let's make that two networks.

You do realize you covered just about ever Democratic uber-left argument in that retort right?

You only left out "because he's Black".

Honestly Bush was attacked on a GLOBAL SCALE as far as media goes. You can't even compare it too what Fox is doing to Obama.

Obama's got time too turn it around, but as for right now he has accomplished NOTHING RELEVANT. Oh except getting a Nobel Peace Prize rewarding his nothing.

Sorry Cash for Clunkers was a big hit.

[HBox]

You do realize you covered just about ever Democratic uber-left argument in that retort right?

You only left out "because he's Black".

Honestly Bush was attacked on a GLOBAL SCALE as far as media goes. You can't even compare it too what Fox is doing to Obama.

Obama's got time too turn it around, but as for right now he has accomplished NOTHING RELEVANT. Oh except getting a Nobel Peace Prize rewarding his nothing.

Sorry Cash for Clunkers was a big hit.

Bush was attacked world wide because he was a horrible President and the consequences of that didn't end at our borders. Bush had as much support as Obama will ever have following 9/11. He took that and spectacularly ruined it. And beyond that, what does it matter when other countries attacked Bush? One of the things the Bush White House did best was spin that to their own advantage. So yeah, you can't compare that to what Fox is doing because what Fox is doing actually has consequences. They give people like you and WMT the excuses to believe what you want to, and not what is actually reality.

As for the Nobel Prize thing you have a point. It's not like every time it was mentioned that he won the Nobel it was followed up with "For what?" The liberal media would never do that to its Messiah.

Oh wait.......

[conman823]

Bush was attacked world wide because he was a horrible President and the consequences of that didn't end at our borders. Bush had as much support as Obama will ever have following 9/11. He took that and spectacularly ruined it. And beyond that, what does it matter when other countries attacked Bush? One of the things the Bush White House did best was spin that to their own advantage. So yeah, you can't compare that to what Fox is doing because what Fox is doing actually has consequences. They give people like you and WMT the excuses to believe what you want to, and not what is actually reality.

As for the Nobel Prize thing you have a point. It's not like every time it was mentioned that he won the Nobel it was followed up with "For what?" The liberal media would never do that to its Messiah.

Oh wait.......

First Fox was a "joke" to the Left and now it has consequences? Hows that float? What are Fox's consequences exactly? The only scary thing I see with the White House vs Fox is if the White House wins it basically will kill freedom of speech/ press in one swoop. Kinda like most other socialist governments. But thats OK. Patriot Act, not OK. I get it, great. I'm not saying Fox News is in anyway great, but it has it views. When Government goes around silencing opposing views and nobody stops it, thats a true crime.

Bush botched the Iraq/ Afganistan Conflicts without a shadow of a doubt. History will be his judge ultimatley. Perhaps in 25 years it will all be seen in a different light. BUT YOU MAKE THE GUY OUT TO BE HITLER'S SECONDS COMING!! Really, though its overly dramatic. He could have used the Military Might of the US Army to turn Iraq and Afganistan into GLASS overnight. Nobody would have stopped him either. He could have ordered TRUE tourture of not just POW's but civilians, foriegn politicians, and Children to gain information to bring to justice those who would come here and kill our citizens. He could have LEVELED THE MOUNTAINS the Taliban and Al-Queta were hiding in. He coluld have done most of it without leaving his chair or costing Soldiers their lives. So please it could have been a lot worse.

Also "People Like Me", first of all I'm not so fan of thr Right either. If anything I'm a Independant with Isolationist Views.

[Crispy123]

First Fox was a "joke" to the Left and now it has consequences? Hows that float? What are Fox's consequences exactly? The only scary thing I see with the White House vs Fox is if the White House wins it basically will kill freedom of speech/ press in one swoop. Kinda like most other socialist governments. But thats OK. Patriot Act, not OK. I get it, great. I'm not saying Fox News is in anyway great, but it has it views. When Government goes around silencing opposing views and nobody stops it, thats a true crime.

Bush botched the Iraq/ Afganistan Conflicts without a shadow of a doubt. History will be his judge ultimatley. Perhaps in 25 years it will all be seen in a different light. BUT YOU MAKE THE GUY OUT TO BE HITLER'S SECONDS COMING!! Really, though its overly dramatic. He could have used the Military Might of the US Army to turn Iraq and Afganistan into GLASS overnight. Nobody would have stopped him either. He could have ordered TRUE tourture of not just POW's but civilians, foriegn politicians, and Children to gain information to bring to justice those who would come here and kill our citizens. He could have LEVELED THE MOUNTAINS the Taliban and Al-Queta were hiding in. He coluld have done most of it without leaving his chair or costing Soldiers their lives. So please it could have been a lot worse.

Also "People Like Me", first of all I'm not so fan of thr Right either. If anything I'm a Independant with Isolationist Views.

are you talking about silencing them by refuting the bullshit that they spew with facts?

FYI thats not socialism.

[HBox]

First Fox was a "joke" to the Left and now it has consequences? Hows that float? What are Fox's consequences exactly? The only scary thing I see with the White House vs Fox is if the White House wins it basically will kill freedom of speech/ press in one swoop. Kinda like most other socialist governments. But thats OK. Patriot Act, not OK. I get it, great. I'm not saying Fox News is in anyway great, but it has it views. When Government goes around silencing opposing views and nobody stops it, thats a true crime.

I feel like responding to this nonsense is the worst waste of my time. Hell, it is. Let me spell this out slowly. Fox as a fair and balanced news outlet is and has always been a joke. That doesn't mean it doesn't have influence. No one is claiming Fox's ratings are fake. They have enormous influence for all the people looking for any piece of evidence, regardless of validity, to reinforce their own beliefs. Just today you immediately jumped all over an obvious work of satire as proof. Lots of people are only interested in reinforcing what they already think. And Fox is there to provide whatever they can to push people in a preferred political direction.

And what exactly is Obama proposing to silence Fox? The administration is not going to sit around while a cable outlet is actively working against them. The Bush administration did the same thing against NBC and Newsweek and somehow free speech survived.

Bush botched the Iraq/ Afganistan Conflicts without a shadow of a doubt. History will be his judge ultimatley. Perhaps in 25 years it will all be seen in a different light. BUT YOU MAKE THE GUY OUT TO BE HITLER'S SECONDS COMING!! Really, though its overly dramatic. He could have used the Military Might of the US Army to turn Iraq and Afganistan into GLASS overnight. Nobody would have stopped him either. He could have ordered TRUE tourture of not just POW's but civilians, foriegn politicians, and Children to gain information to bring to justice those who would come here and kill our citizens. He could have LEVELED THE MOUNTAINS the Taliban and Al-Queta were hiding in. He coluld have done most of it without leaving his chair or costing Soldiers their lives. So please it could have been a lot worse.

When exactly did I make him out to be Hitler's second coming? I'll be waiting forever for proof.

This whole "He could of" bullshit is nonsense. Yeah, he could have done a whole lot worse. He could have made abortions mandatory, become a serial child rapist, nuked every country in the world, stole everybody's money to build a 60 story gold statue of himself and took a literal piss on the constitution. By those standards he was super awesome!

Please. What he did do wrong was quite enough.

Also "People Like Me", first of all I'm not so fan of thr Right either. If anything I'm a Independant with Isolationist Views.

People like you always say that. Shouldn't you be searching for more damning evidence against Obama? I hear a news outlet called the Onion is really getting to the bottom this administration.

[HBox]

FYI thats not socialism.

90% of the people who throw that term around wouldn't know.

[SonOfSmeagol]

.. took a literal piss on the constitution...

Let's get LAURA to do that and then we're talking! Yeah!

[HBox]

Let's get LAURA to do that and then we're talking! Yeah!

That's too hot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This whole Fox news story is making Obama look very defensive and bitter. Why won't he go on Chris Wallaces show? hes not an opinion commentator

[IMSlacker]

Why won't he go on Chris Wallaces show? hes not an opinion commentator

He's not?

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's not?

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He was explaining why this white house is constantly on the phone with the staff of his show and the fact that this administration is childish, He was giving his opinion on that. Clearly my comment was that Wallaces show is different than Beck and Hannitys

[HBox]

He was explaining why this white house is constantly on the phone with the staff of his show and the fact that this administration is childish, He was giving his opinion on that. Clearly my comment was that Wallaces show is different than Beck and Hannitys

Really? (http://www.americablog.com/2009/10/is-foxs-chris-wallace-anonymous.html)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/St0DvRLFB9I/AAAAAAAAEB0/A_m6i3BKwxw/s400/chriswallaceparent.jpg

[beachbum]

He was explaining why this white house is constantly on the phone with the staff of his show and the fact that this administration is childish, He was giving his opinion on that. Clearly my comment was that Wallaces show is different than Beck and Hannitys

Do you ever post anything on this board that is in any way connected to anything but attacking Obama?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you ever post anything on this board that is in any way connected to anything but attacking Obama?

Oh sorry If I dont worship the almighty


Having Voted for Bush twice I had buyers remorse in his second term around Aug 2005, A lot of people are having that about Obama 9 months in. Bush was a huge letdown and caused damage to the GOP

That being said There are many people on the other side who are useless and need to be flushed out like McCain, Graham, Collins, Snowe and the other country club Republicans. Crist is another example and now he wants to become a Senator

As a former Republican Ive had it with these establishment Republicans, They keep nominating these milk toast candidates and they get their asses handed to them each and every time

Being a Republican use to mean smaller government but Bush expanded it the most since LBJ

Here's an article about the leadership being off key with their base

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2009/73_of_gop_voters_say_congressional_republicans_hav e_lost_touch_with_their_base

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Really? (http://www.americablog.com/2009/10/is-foxs-chris-wallace-anonymous.html)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_1xQeOPE9ePU/St0DvRLFB9I/AAAAAAAAEB0/A_m6i3BKwxw/s400/chriswallaceparent.jpg

Wallace called out the administration rightly for being a bunch of crybabies because his program is on Fox

Why would this bother Obama? He has a cable news channel with Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz, O'Donnell and Matthews constantly worshipping him

[HBox]

Oh sorry If I dont worship the almighty


Having Voted for Bush twice I had buyers remorse in his second term around Aug 2005, A lot of people are having that about Obama 9 months in. Bush was a huge letdown and caused damage to the GOP

That being said There are many people on the other side who are useless and need to be flushed out like McCain, Graham, Collins, Snowe and the other country club Republicans. Crist is another example and now he wants to become a Senator

As a former Republican Ive had it with these establishment Republicans, They keep nominating these milk toast candidates and they get their asses handed to them each and every time

Being a Republican use to mean smaller government but Bush expanded it the most since LBJ

Here's an article about the leadership being off key with their base

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2009/73_of_gop_voters_say_congressional_republicans_hav e_lost_touch_with_their_base

And here's a link saying that Obama's approval rating among people who didn't vote for him is 14% and his disapproval rating among people who did vote for him is 6%. (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/10/obamas-numbers.html)

In other words he is drawing in more people who didn't vote for him then he is losing people who did vote for him. And his approval rating is right around his share of the vote in November. The only crybabies are people who didn't vote for him, people who were blindsided by the fact that their views were no longer in the majority.

[HBox]

Wallace called out the administration rightly for being a bunch of crybabies because his program is on Fox

Why would this bother Obama? He has a cable news channel with Olbermann, Maddow, Schultz, O'Donnell and Matthews constantly worshipping him

Wallace should stop acting as if it's his right to have the President at his beck and call. He should be more concerned with the journalistic quality of his network. And should stop masquerading as a "concerned parent." Maybe he should be more concerned with the fact that he's not willing to show his face on one of the biggest shows on his own network.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wallace should stop acting as if it's his right to have the President at his beck and call. He should be more concerned with the journalistic quality of his network. And should stop masquerading as a "concerned parent." Maybe he should be more concerned with the fact that he's not willing to show his face on one of the biggest shows on his own network.

I see it as there were many opportunities to invite him onto that network . Obama and his people didnt like the fact that there are a few opinion people who disagree with him

Obama will go on CNN even with one of their opinion guys Lou Dobbs who disagrees with him

[high fly]

Oh sorry If I dont worship the almighty



It's not too late for you to get that corrected...


..... and make sure to send in your tithes....

[HBox]

I see it as there were many opportunities to invite him onto that network . Obama and his people didnt like the fact that there are a few opinion people who disagree with him

Obama will go on CNN even with one of their opinion guys Lou Dobbs who disagrees with him

No, they don't want to be a punching bag for a network who is openly hostile against them. They are run by a Republican political operative and have a transparent agenda. They are pro-Republican Party. And this goes for news and opinion. There is barely a difference.

Here is the latest example of Fox News stellar "news" reporting. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php?ref=fpb)

They'll report anything to advance their agenda regardless of relevance or truth. Whether it is spending 4 more times the amount of time covering a protest of 20 people against a school where kids sang a song about Obama over a 75,000 strong DC protest by gay rights activists. The DC gay rights protest was much bigger and had some relevance but it did not help Fox push their agenda so instead they covered a story with zero news value that almost nobody cared about.

Again, Fox can do whatever they want. But the White House doesn't have any obligation to them whatsoever, especially if they are going to act as the official mouthpiece of the opposition. And to compare them to any other network is ridiculous. Fox is on a whole different level.

[A.J.]

It's not too late for you to get that corrected...


..... and make sure to send in your tithes....

We all will come 15 April.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's not too late for you to get that corrected...


..... and make sure to send in your tithes....

I wish it was that easy. Most Tithes are 10% Im being taxed with everything factored in including local property tax close to 60% but some think that still isnt enough

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No, they don't want to be a punching bag for a network who is openly hostile against them. They are run by a Republican political operative and have a transparent agenda. They are pro-Republican Party. And this goes for news and opinion. There is barely a difference.

Here is the latest example of Fox News stellar "news" reporting. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php?ref=fpb)

They'll report anything to advance their agenda regardless of relevance or truth. Whether it is spending 4 more times the amount of time covering a protest of 20 people against a school where kids sang a song about Obama over a 75,000 strong DC protest by gay rights activists. The DC gay rights protest was much bigger and had some relevance but it did not help Fox push their agenda so instead they covered a story with zero news value that almost nobody cared about.


Again, Fox can do whatever they want. But the White House doesn't have any obligation to them whatsoever, especially if they are going to act as the official mouthpiece of the opposition. And to compare them to any other network is ridiculous. Fox is on a whole different level.


Look at MSNBC and their people. calling people teabaggers and racists. Yes there were dopes who just wanted their 15 min of fame with their crazy signs but most have had it with the Spending started under Bush and is on steroids under Obama and marginalizing their movement, I dont think anyone on Fox were calling gay rights activists a bunch of homos. Furthermore look who is always on MSNBC its people from the WaPo and newsweek both left leaning and also the same company. WaPo owns newsweek. GE's CEO Jeff Immelt is on Obamas economic team and GE Capital got Bailout money

Remember the may day marches where hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens who were marching for amnesty? It was wall to wall coverage, People carrying Che Guevera signs and Aztlan belongs to Mexico, Gringo go back to Europe Here you have people who snuck in or overstayed their visa but when Americans taxed to death are protesting in their eyes its just a bunch of racist rednecks

As far as MSNBC they can report how they want, thats freedom of the Press . I just see it amazing how Olbermanns crocodile tears when Bush was in office , he's now Gushing over the Obamas dog, Michelle Obamas arms , the shopping trips and Barack playing golf

[conman823]

are you talking about silencing them by refuting the bullshit that they spew with facts?

FYI thats not socialism.

Never said it was.

I feel like responding to this nonsense is the worst waste of my time. Hell, it is. Let me spell this out slowly.

The feelings mutual. And don't talk down too me because I don't drink from the Lefty Goblet.

You only look for facts supporting YOUR end of the arguement. Because if you didn't then you would see sometimes, just sometimes Fox isn't always wrong.



When exactly did I make him out to be Hitler's second coming? I'll be waiting forever for proof.

What he did do wrong was quite enough.





People like you always say that. Shouldn't you be searching for more damning evidence against Obama? I hear a news outlet called the Onion is really getting to the bottom this administration.

Oh so Funny! "People like you", yeah I'm the problem. Not partisian politics dividing this nation. Please formulate your OWN opinion before you criticize people like me.

90% of the people who throw that term around wouldn't know.

Oh more down talking, you know what it is right?

[conman823]

are you talking about silencing them by refuting the bullshit that they spew with facts?

Can you and HBox read this with an open mind for a change.....

http://atr.org/war-free-speech-a4081#

From the article:
This heated up yesterday, when the White House announced today that White House Press Pool access to Czar Feinberg would explicitly exclude Fox News, despite the fact that the Press Pool is part-funded by Fox. Fortunately, the other networks refused to comply with this, and the Administration was forced to reverse course.

[Crispy123]

[QUOTE=conman823;2548886]Can you and HBox read this with an open mind for a change.....

http://atr.org/war-free-speech-a4081#

No. I read it but it is mainly partisan hackery and right wing conspiracy theories. The White House fighting Fox Co. is a stupid battle and I dissaprove of the tactics. It is not however, anywhere close to eroding free speech.

Ignorantly claiming the US is now a socialist nation doesn't validate your critiscism and makes any type of debate with you stupid on my part.

I saw real blows to the constitution for 8 years and if you or any so called conservatives had any objectivity on the issue we would have heard it by now.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Behind the War Between White House and Fox (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=2)

Interesting story. A lot of tidbits in there, none of them really making the WH look good. I just don’t get what the WH expects to get out all this – how can they possibly benefit from these tactics? But, who am I to tell them to tone it down.

I would encourage the WH to keep it up, even step it up, if that’s what they think they should do. I think that among other things it shows what the Pres and Sr WH people spend their time on and how they place their priorities. This could continue to be quite educational for the electorate. If getting tough on FNC is just so very important to them, then so be it.

[west milly Tom]

Oh sorry If I dont worship the almighty


Having Voted for Bush twice I had buyers remorse in his second term around Aug 2005, A lot of people are having that about Obama 9 months in. Bush was a huge letdown and caused damage to the GOP


That being said There are many people on the other side who are useless and need to be flushed out like McCain, Graham, Collins, Snowe and the other country club Republicans. Crist is another example and now he wants to become a Senator

As a former Republican Ive had it with these establishment Republicans, They keep nominating these milk toast candidates and they get their asses handed to them each and every time

Being a Republican use to mean smaller government but Bush expanded it the most since LBJ

Here's an article about the leadership being off key with their base


http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/october_2009/73_of_gop_voters_say_congressional_republicans_hav e_lost_touch_with_their_base


Agreed totally.

(be careful siting rass as they tend to trend too far right.)

[west milly Tom]

Behind the War Between White House and Fox (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/us/politics/23fox.html?_r=2)

Interesting story. A lot of tidbits in there, none of them really making the WH look good. I just don’t get what the WH expects to get out all this – how can they possibly benefit from these tactics? But, who am I to tell them to tone it down.

I would encourage the WH to keep it up, even step it up, if that’s what they think they should do. I think that among other things it shows what the Pres and Sr WH people spend their time on and how they place their priorities. This could continue to be quite educational for the electorate. If getting tough on FNC is just so very important to them, then so be it.




My own personal opinion is that this whole FNC issue is a smoke screen. The bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights are hurting his poll numbers right now and this War on Fox is an attempt to invigorate his base. He's throwing his supporters (the media) a bone. Eat it up doggies. The real outcome from this is that he continues to ie to the public

[west milly Tom]

Lie to the public. Remember his platform, remember hearing his he was going to unite a divided nation? Well one media outlet chooses to question his decisions and he tries to black ball them. Lies lies and now enemy lists.

[Serpico1103]

The O'Reilly Factor also features issues from local markets that do not find the national spotlight on other newscasts.

From O'Reilly's site, describing his own show. The implication is that his show is a newscast. So, if Fox cannot separate their opinion shows from their news shows, why should the WH treat the news division separate from the Glenn Becks and O'Reilly's?

However, I don't agree with exclusion. I just think Fox wants it both ways. At the top of O'Reilly's page is the "fair and balanced" logo.To have radical right wing opinion shows, labeled as newscasts, but to be treated as a "fair and balanced" news organization.

But, maybe if all the news organizations cared less about inclusion and more about journalism we would be better off. After all, is covering a WH press conference really great journalism. Go find a story and stop acting like a dictation machine.

[west milly Tom]

The O'Reilly Factor also features issues from local markets that do not find the national spotlight on other newscasts.

From O'Reilly's site, describing his own show. The implication is that his show is a newscast. So, if Fox cannot separate their opinion shows from their news shows, why should the WH treat the news division separate from the Glenn Becks and O'Reilly's?

However, I don't agree with exclusion. I just think Fox wants it both ways. At the top of O'Reilly's page is the "fair and balanced" logo.To have radical right wing opinion shows, labeled as newscasts, but to be treated as a "fair and balanced" news organization.

But, maybe if all the news organizations cared less about inclusion and more about journalism we would be better off. After all, is covering a WH press conference really great journalism. Go find a story and stop acting like a dictation machine.

Where's that yellow journalism when you need it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Agreed totally.

(be careful siting rass as they tend to trend too far right.)


The McCains and Grahams always say that they need the conservatives during the campaign season,

Kind of like when White Democrats go to the Black churches during the campaign and then never to be seen until 4 years later.

[underdog]

The bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights

Please explain.

[HBox]

Never said it was.



Oh so Funny! "People like you", yeah I'm the problem. Not partisian politics dividing this nation. Please formulate your OWN opinion before you criticize people like me.



Oh more down talking, you know what it is right?

You are the problem. You spout off about shit you have no idea about on a constant basis and cry when you called out about it. You act as if your opinions about issues trump facts. Get an idea about what you are talking about in the future and you won't get talked down to. You might want to start with formulating arguments. I see no arguments and facts supporting your arguments in this post. Just whining, as usual.

[HBox]

Can you and HBox read this with an open mind for a change.....

http://atr.org/war-free-speech-a4081#

From the article:

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Take a hint from WMT and look at your sources before you post this garbage. Americans for Tax Reform? This is like someone posting shit from MoveOn.org. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php?ref=fpb)

[hanso]

My own personal opinion is that this whole FNC issue is a smoke screen. The bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights are hurting his poll numbers right now and this War on Fox is an attempt to invigorate his base. He's throwing his supporters (the media) a bone. Eat it up doggies. The real outcome from this is that he continues to ie to the public

Like this bill?

McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/mccain-net-neutrality/

"Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) introduced a bill in the Senate on Thursday that would effectively allow Internet service providers to slow down or block Internet content or applications of their choosing.

The move came the same day as the federal government decided to move forward on an official Net neutrality policy that would prevent ISPs from making those types of decisions".

[Syd]

Regulation is bad, unless Republicans can pull campaign and kickback money from it.

[west milly Tom]

You are the problem. You spout off about shit you have no idea about on a constant basis and cry when you called out about it. You act as if your opinions about issues trump facts. Get an idea about what you are talking about in the future and you won't get talked down to. You might want to start with formulating arguments. I see no arguments and facts supporting your arguments in this post. Just whining, as usual.


No sir, you are the problem. Anyone who disagrees with you is spouting off and all of that. You talk down to people regularly. You're so pompous. You don't debate you demean. Fuck off.

[west milly Tom]

Like this bill?

McCain introduces bill to block Net neutrality

http://rawstory.com/2009/10/mccain-net-neutrality/

"Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) introduced a bill in the Senate on Thursday that would effectively allow Internet service providers to slow down or block Internet content or applications of their choosing.

The move came the same day as the federal government decided to move forward on an official Net neutrality policy that would prevent ISPs from making those types of decisions".


Yea that's filthy. How does he sleep at night?

[Furtherman]

No sir, you are the problem. Anyone who disagrees with you is spouting off and all of that. You talk down to people regularly. You're so pompous. You don't debate you demean. Fuck off.

Easy WMT... he wasn't even talking to you.

[epo]

Yea that's filthy. How does he sleep at night?

I bet he sleeps very well on a bag of money provided by the Hensley family.

[HBox]

No sir, you are the problem. Anyone who disagrees with you is spouting off and all of that. You talk down to people regularly. You're so pompous. You don't debate you demean. Fuck off.

I demean people who fall for horse shit hoaxes, like a couple posters I know. I demean people who constantly come in this forum talking shit when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about, when they take stances based on no facts and who refuse to acknowledge they are wrong. I had to sit through August when these types of people completely derailed all intelligent discourse because they believed in shit like Death Panels. I'm not going debate someone whose political beliefs are based in fantasy.

I hope you have a lovely day.

[underdog]

The bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights

Please explain.

Not that I ever expected you to actually be able to back up a statement you make, but I'm still curious.

[HBox]

Not that I ever expected you to actually be able to back up a statement you make, but I'm still curious.

Stop demeaning everybody.

[Dude!]

i heard that grannies
will be denied hip replacements
so they will die faster and
in great pain

[underdog]

Stop demeaning everybody.

Never, fuckstick!

[TheMojoPin]

i heard that grannies
will be denied hip replacements
so they will die faster and
in great pain

Only yours.

[HBox]

i heard that grannies
will be denied hip replacements
so they will die faster and
in great pain

You protest now but when you are savoring some Soylent Green you will enjoy all the taste that pain has brought out.

[Dude!]

You protest now but when you are savoring some Soylent Green you will enjoy all the taste that pain has brought out.

yum
i can't wait

[conman823]

Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Take a hint from WMT and look at your sources before you post this garbage. Americans for Tax Reform? This is like someone posting shit from MoveOn.org. (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php?ref=fpb)

Oh but your link to Liberal Ragsheets are better. Please spare us.

You are the problem. You spout off about shit you have no idea about on a constant basis and cry when you called out about it. You act as if your opinions about issues trump facts. Get an idea about what you are talking about in the future and you won't get talked down to. You might want to start with formulating arguments. I see no arguments and facts supporting your arguments in this post. Just whining, as usual.

Attack, attack, attack. Thats all you do. You support nothing you post as well. I checked, you usually just agree with someone or spew whatever lefty garbage you dig up as FACT. When someone backs you into a corner you just go on the attack.

I demean people who fall for horse shit hoaxes, like a couple posters I know. I demean people who constantly come in this forum talking shit when they clearly have no idea what they are talking about, when they take stances based on no facts and who refuse to acknowledge they are wrong. I had to sit through August when these types of people completely derailed all intelligent discourse because they believed in shit like Death Panels. I'm not going debate someone whose political beliefs are based in fantasy.

I hope you have a lovely day.

Intelligent discourse is what you call agreeing with Leftys, and attacking opposing views? You sir are a joke.

[hanso]

Yea that's filthy. How does he sleep at night?

I guess like a lamb.
From that "smoke screen Obama puts up while McCain posts bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights".

Thats what that bill is imo.

[high fly]

i heard that grannies
will be denied hip replacements
so they will die faster and
in great pain


Which is why Obama is the best president ever!
He is trying to do something about insurance company death panels the conservatives love so much!

[LordJezo]

Woo!

Greatest hists!

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2009/11/04/elementary-epidemic-11-uncovered-videos-show-school-children-performing-praises-to-obama/

[TjM]

HOLY FUCK!

Kids are singing about doing well in school, donating to charity, reducing their carbon footprint , and being what ever they want to be!


THAT'S JUST SICKENING

[TheMojoPin]

It's crazy how that song I had to sing about the first President Bush turned me into such a loyal conservative.

[A.J.]

It's crazy how that song I had to sing about the first President Bush turned me into such a loyal conservative.

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

[TheMojoPin]

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

I wonder what Jezo had to sing about.

[TjM]

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

And hate jews too right

[A.J.]

And hate jews too right

No, that was my uncles.

[TheMojoPin]

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

They were just setting you up for the future! HAAAAAARRROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs29/300W/f/2008/050/5/4/Robot_Nixon_DevID_by_vaclon.jpg

[A.J.]

They were just setting you up for the future! HAAAAAARRROOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

http://th00.deviantart.net/fs29/300W/f/2008/050/5/4/Robot_Nixon_DevID_by_vaclon.jpg

Oh, if only.

[Serpico1103]

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

Unfortunately, the songs did not teach you grammar.

[A.J.]

Unfortunately, the songs did not teach you grammar.

That's unpossible.

[Furtherman]

I wonder what Jezo had to sing about.

Liberace.

[LordJezo]

HOLY FUCK!

Kids are singing about doing well in school, donating to charity, reducing their carbon footprint , and being what ever they want to be!


THAT'S JUST SICKENING

The carbon footprint think is sick, brainwashing them with junk liberal science designed to help Al Gore profit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The carbon footprint think is sick, brainwashing them with junk liberal science designed to help Al Gore profit.

Amazing how these so called experts like Gore fly in private jets take motorcades with SUVs to their speeches having them idle while waiting for them to be finish & collect buckets of cash and tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use

[LordJezo]

I wonder what Jezo had to sing about.

I was a Christian Boy Scout..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rangers

We sung about Jesus and other awesome things that matter in life, that was between bible studies and whatever else we did.

[Jujubees2]

It's crazy how that song I had to sing about the first President Bush turned me into such a loyal conservative.

The Nixon songs we sang in kindergarten turned me paranoid -- and me want to go to China.

You guys think you had it bad. I had to sing a song to praise Ford, a president we didn't even elect.

[El Mudo]

You guys think you had it bad. I had to sing a song to praise Ford, a president we didn't even elect.


Better than having to sing a song about this president:

http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/glimpse/presidents/images/wh9.gif

[A.J.]

Better than having to sing a song about this president:

http://clinton2.nara.gov/WH/glimpse/presidents/images/wh9.gif

Song or haiku?

[TheMojoPin]

Amazing how these so called experts like Gore fly in private jets take motorcades with SUVs to their speeches having them idle while waiting for them to be finish & collect buckets of cash and tell us what kind of lightbulbs to use

FUCK YEAH! Nobody should do anything just to spite those fuckers!

[TheMojoPin]

I was a Christian Boy Scout..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Rangers

We sung about Jesus and other awesome things that matter in life, that was between bible studies and whatever else we did.

So the only one indoctrinated here was you.

PS - We know none of what you say is true.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

FUCK YEAH! Nobody should do anything just to spite those fuckers!

When I see Gore munching on celery and carrot sticks, wearing clothes made of hemp then maybe I might take him seriously. He could be the Ed Begley Jr of Politics

[foodcourtdruide]

When I see Gore munching on celery and carrot sticks, wearing clothes made of hemp then maybe I might take him seriously. He could be the Ed Begley Jr of Politics

I'm pretty sure you'd hate him no matter what he wore or ate.

[A.J.]

When I see Gore munching on celery and carrot sticks, wearing clothes made of hemp then maybe I might take him seriously. He could be the Ed Begley Jr of Politics

Maybe he should munch on celery and carrots just to help lose a chin or two.

http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/Images/al-gore-thumbs-up.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm pretty sure you'd hate him no matter what he wore or ate.

Why do you bring up comments like hate? I happen to strongly disagree with his hysteria Heres my gripe with Gore. He does not practice what he preaches. If people want to drive hybrids and use mercury filled lightbulbs fine, but don't force me or tell me what I can or can not drive or what kind of lightbulb I can have

We all want government out of the bedroom but for everything else for many its come on in.

[TheMojoPin]

Why do you bring up comments like hate? I happen to strongly disagree with his hysteria Heres my gripe with Gore. He does not practice what he preaches. If people want to drive hybrids and use mercury filled lightbulbs fine, but don't force me or tell me what I can or can not drive or what kind of lightbulb I can have

We all want government out of the bedroom but for everything else for many its come on in.

How is Al Gore forcing you to do anything?

Love your expectations that enviromentalists have to essentially live like survivalists for you to accept anything they say. That's sure reasonable. Who gives a shit if he's not wearing hemp or only eating vegetables? He's not telling anyone else to do that.

It's not like Gore is preaching that we have to go back to the Stone Age to reduce our carbon footprints. For most of us he just suggest many minor, everyday things we can do that would help. The way some people respond to that you'd think he was showing up and burning down your house and making you live in a hut.

[foodcourtdruide]

Why do you bring up comments like hate? I happen to strongly disagree with his hysteria Heres my gripe with Gore. He does not practice what he preaches. If people want to drive hybrids and use mercury filled lightbulbs fine, but don't force me or tell me what I can or can not drive or what kind of lightbulb I can have

We all want government out of the bedroom but for everything else for many its come on in.

I think you hate him. We need a litimus test for hate.

Ok, if Al Gore married your closest female friend/relative how would you feel?

EDIT: In this scenario, Al Gore is not extremely rich.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How is Al Gore forcing you to do anything?

Love your expectations that enviromentalists have to essentially live like survivalists for you to accept anything they say. That's sure reasonable. Who gives a shit if he's not wearing hemp or only eating vegetables? He's not telling anyone else to do that.

It's not like Gore is preaching that we have to go back to the Stone Age to reduce our carbon footprints. For most of us he just suggest many minor, everyday things we can do that would help. The way some people respond to that you'd think he was showing up and burning down your house and making you live in a hut.


When Gore preaches that there can not be any contesting his views and wont answer questions from climatologists and scientists who disagrees with him it shows that he cant debate

No one wants to see garbage and litter on the sidewalks and streets but he should have his summits via webcasts instead of burning energy in a private jet

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think you hate him. We need a litimus test for hate.

Ok, if Al Gore married your closest female friend/relative how would you feel?

EDIT: In this scenario, Al Gore is not extremely rich.

Gore's a Mormon?

[the butcher]

i wouldnt piss on this piece of marx wanna be if he was on fire....

[TheMojoPin]

When Gore preaches that there can not be any contesting his views and wont answer questions from climatologists and scientists who disagrees with him it shows that he cant debate

He's not the end-all-be-all on this issue. It's people like you that have this bizarre dichotomy of saying that Gore is being propped up too much yet you're the ones who act like he's some kind of ant-global warming demigod. He's simply once voice in this whole thing. If people want to listen to him, great. If not, fantastic. Nobody has to do anything he says.

No one wants to see garbage and litter on the sidewalks and streets but he should have his summits via webcasts instead of burning energy in a private jet

Or he could just fly on a regular plane. It's not like people are being told to never fly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's not the end-all-be-all on this issue. It's people like you that have this bizarre dichotomy of saying that Gore is being propped up too much yet you're the ones who act like he's some kind of ant-global warming demigod. He's simply once voice in this whole thing. If people want to listen to him, great. If not, fantastic. Nobody has to do anything he says.



Or he could just fly on a regular plane. It's not like people are being told to never fly.

hes not a climatologist but he holds enormous weight on this issue. I just dont liek his smug attitude when he says the debate is over. Its like one of these religious fanatics who make other ridiculous claims

I agree that we dont have to listen or should be forced to do anything he says

[TheMojoPin]

hes not a climatologist but he holds enormous weight on this issue. I just dont liek his smug attitude when he says the debate is over. Its like one of these religious fanatics who make other ridiculous claims

I agree that we dont have to listen or should be forced to do anything he says

It's not an issue of "should be:" nobody is forced to do anything he says. He has no power outside of being able to parlay his celebrity into book deals, TV appearances and speaking engagements. There are no actual scientists/experts/climatologists on this matter who are allowing their findings or opinions to be dictated by Al Gore.

[Furtherman]

hes not a climatologist but he holds enormous weight on this issue.

With who?

There are no actual scientists/experts/climatologists on this matter who are allowing their findings or opinions to be dictated by Al Gore.

Exactly.


"An Inconvenient Truth" was debunked shortly after it came out. The fanfare of that movie has long passed. There are people out there who still use his name in some kind of pseudo-punchline/argument (including the "invented the internet" myth), but they're just repeated the same old tired talking points from the far right. It's pointless to even consider that he might have some kind of "weight" in the issue.

[underdog]

i wouldnt piss on this piece of marx wanna be if he was on fire....

Exactly.

[Dude!]

Exactly.

awesome

[TheMojoPin]

awesome

sailor.

[high fly]

It's not an issue of "should be:" nobody is forced to do anything he says. He has no power outside of being able to parlay his celebrity into book deals, TV appearances and speaking engagements. There are no actual scientists/experts/climatologists on this matter who are allowing their findings or opinions to be dictated by Al Gore.

So he don't have Limpbaugh-like superpowers or nuthin'?

[hanso]

hes not a climatologist but he holds enormous weight on this issue. I just dont liek his smug attitude when he says the debate is over. Its like one of these religious fanatics who make other ridiculous claims

I agree that we dont have to listen or should be forced to do anything he says

Those are the types that were running things behind the scene on the right for 8 years.
I would have much rather had Gore.

[badmonkey]

It's not an issue of "should be:" nobody is forced to do anything he says. He has no power outside of being able to parlay his celebrity into book deals, TV appearances and speaking engagements. There are no actual scientists/experts/climatologists on this matter who are allowing their findings or opinions to be dictated by Al Gore.

Yeah, it's not like Al Gore testifies before congress and they take his opinions as fact and try to legislate based on what he says or anything. Oh wait.. it's EXACTLY like that.

[TheMojoPin]

Which does nothing to counter what you quoted.

[keithy_19]

i wouldnt piss on this piece of marx wanna be if he was on fire....

I just wanted to applaude this post. He obviously would find a more efficient way to put out the President.

[badmonkey]

Which does nothing to counter what you quoted.

Are you kidding or blind? You say he has no power to make people do what he says, but for that to be true you would have to ignore the fact that he testifies in congress and his opinions contribute to policies that become law. See the ban on incandescent light bulbs and the current cap and trade proposals for examples. The man is a hypocrite who flies around in his private jet and lives in his giant house all the while telling the rest of us we need to drive hybrids, take public transportation, and adjust our thermostats to a more green level. The government is pushing all of that on us with their new Al Gore endorsed cap and trade energy bills, which will not do anything to reduce pollution, but will do everything to make Al Gore a billionaire.

[TheMojoPin]

Are you kidding or blind? You say he has no power to make people do what he says, but for that to be true you would have to ignore the fact that he testifies in congress and his opinions contribute to policies that become law.

That's not what I said. I said nobody has to do what he says, which is true. My comment about his "power" was in regard to the idea that he's somehow influencing or controling the opinions of scientists and climatologists. He certainly can appear before Congress, but nobody has to do anything he suggests.

The rest of your rant seems to be based on the idea that I support or totally agree with Al Gore, which I don't, so I really don't care about the rest. My desire to see more innovations along the lines of hybrids or my choice to use public transportation and so on aren't negated by someone else using a private jet. It seems like a popular opinion to dismiss "green" initiatives in general because some self-proclaimed environmentalists don't strictly live by them themselves.

[badmonkey]

That's not what I said. I said nobody has to do what he says, which is true. My comment about his "power" was in regard to the idea that he's somehow influencing or controling the opinions of scientists and climatologists. He certainly can appear before Congress, but nobody has to do anything he suggests.

The rest of your rant seems to be based on the idea that I support or totally agree with Al Gore, which I don't, so I really don't care about the rest.

I don't give a shit whether or not you agree with Gore. He doesn't have to influence scientists. He influences congress and congress writes his suggestions/opinions into laws. Those laws get passed and signed by the President and then we DO have to do what he "suggests". In other words...it's not about you.

[angrymissy]

http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/manbearpig.jpg

[TheMojoPin]

I don't give a shit whether or not you agree with Gore. He doesn't have to influence scientists. He influences congress and congress writes his suggestions/opinions into laws. Those laws get passed and signed by the President and then we DO have to do what he "suggests". In other words...it's not about you.

And in other words, nobody has to do anything he says. Congress is under no obligation to do anything that he suggests, and they often do not, nor is he always the driving force in environmental initiatives.

[SinA]

For what it's worth. Which is nothing.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2702/4110193306_58d42aabf8_o.jpg

[high fly]

And in other words, nobody has to do anything he says. Congress is under no obligation to do anything that he suggests, and they often do not, nor is he always the driving force in environmental initiatives.


I wonder if he has a Nobel Prize lapel pin he can flash in their faces. If not, it must be fun to be in the position of at least being able to contemplate going to a hearing with that Nobel Prize under his arm, and plopping that rascal on the desk next to the pitcher of water when he testifies........

[TheMojoPin]

Finally, the nuclear power option is back on the table: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34121998/ns/world_news-washington_post/)

It has been 13 years since the last new nuclear power plant opened in the United States. The Obama administration and leading Democrats, in an effort to win greater support for climate change legislation, are eyeing federal tax incentives and loan guarantees to fund a new crop of nuclear power plants across the United States that could eventually help drive down carbon emissions.

It's bugged me for a long time how nuclear power has largely been ignored when it comes to "green ideas" due to the idea of what it was as opposed to what it is now. It's simply not realistic at this point to expect a country of this size to be able to rely on the current state of technologies like wind and solar power; something like nuclear is needed as a stopgap to help this change along.

[Jujubees2]

Finally, the nuclear power option is back on the table: (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34121998/ns/world_news-washington_post/)



It's bugged me for a long time how nuclear power has largely been ignored when it comes to "green ideas" due to the idea of what it was as opposed to what it is now. It's simply not realistic at this point to expect a country of this size to be able to rely on the current state of technologies like wind and solar power; something like nuclear is needed as a stopgap to help this change along.


Can we bury the nuclear waste in your backyard?

[TheMojoPin]

See? You're the problem.

[high fly]

I go back and forth on the nukes. On one hand they look like a fine idea, we have it pretty well figured out how to do it well and to do it safely.
On the other hand, I remember for a long time how it seemed that one of the reactors at the North Anna nuke plan was always being shut down.
There is also the problem with waste.
As I understand it, if we had fusion,we could use a fusion reactor to burn up the nuke waste and if that's the case and we have fusion on the horizon, I say tally ho!



Since I am in the construction industry, a no-brainer to me is there should be a drastic overhaul in the building codes. Both commercial and residential construction should be required to have a lot more energy-saving features as well as things like solar panels, geo-thermal and other things to drastically reduce energy consumption....

[TheMojoPin]

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/26/AR2009112602362.html?hpid=topnews)

Lobbyists pushed off advisory panels

White House initiative to limit influence could affect thousands

Hundreds, if not thousands, of lobbyists are likely to be ejected from federal advisory panels as part of a little-noticed initiative by the Obama administration to curb K Street's influence in Washington, according to White House officials and lobbying experts.

The initiative is aimed at a system of advisory committees so vast that federal officials don't have exact numbers for its size; the most recent estimates tally nearly 1,000 panels with total membership exceeding 60,000 people.

Under the policy, which is being phased in over the coming months, none of the more than 13,000 lobbyists in Washington would be able to hold seats on the committees, which advise agencies on trade rules, troop levels, environmental regulations, consumer protections and thousands of other government policies.

[foodcourtdruide]

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/26/AR2009112602362.html?hpid=topnews)

I hope so! Anything that makes the lives of lobbyists harder is good for all of us.

[high fly]

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/26/AR2009112602362.html?hpid=topnews)

This is indeed a step in the right direction. It follows President Obama's requirement that those hired to top positions in the administration had to agree to not work for any lobbying firms for 2 years after they leave federal employment....

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If those party crashers who went to the State Dinner are prosecuted and found guilty, Obama should commute their sentences

[high fly]

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/26/AR2009112602362.html?hpid=topnews)


Hmmmmmmmm, what's more important, party crashers or reducing the influence of lobbyists?

[SonOfSmeagol]

Hopefully this is a step in the right direction: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/26/AR2009112602362.html?hpid=topnews)

Who wouldn’t be all for decreasing the unregulated influence that lobbyists have over the establishment. However what’s interesting about the WaPo article is that there are absolutely no specifics or real evidence in there as to why the advisory panels are actually a problem. They appear to be one of the more formalized, regulated, accepted, and valuable aspects of industry interface to gov't. It appears to me to be one more disturbing smack against business and a hopeful political score by this WH.

"Lobbyists and many of the businesses they represent say K Street is being unfairly demonized by a WH intent on scoring political points with scandal-weary voters” They responded to the policy-setting WH blog with a strongly-worded and specific letter to the administration:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Chairs_ITAC_letter_to_Obama_%282%29.pdf

To which the WH responded (with no specifics really):
http://www.whitehouse.gov/assets/documents/Signed_Lobbyist_Response_Letter_%2810-21-09%29.pdf

Which prompted this retort:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/files/documents/10-09-Letter-to-WH-Advisory-Committees.pdf

Again, I'm all for lobbyist "containment", but where's the beef, the specifics, the case, for this action from the WH?

[Bob Impact]

I'm not sure about this case specifically, and for at least containing lobbyists but let's not act like all lobby groups are scum... there are some that are providing a valid service.

Edit: That said, yes, this is a step in the right direction.

[TheMojoPin]

I'm not sure about this case specifically, and for at least containing lobbyists but let's not act like all lobby groups are scum... there are some that are providing a valid service.

Indeed. I actually think the majority of them do provide valuable services, but I think they have no place on the advisory panels. That's too close to them actually being on Congressional committees for my liking.

[TheMojoPin]

Again, I'm all for lobbyist "containment", but where's the beef, the specifics, the case, for this action from the WH?

We'll have to wait and see. This is clearly only the first step and there's a long way to go and you're right, this could amount to little more than rhetoric, but it's something encouraging that we should follow.

[A.J.]

Hmmmmmmmm, what's more important, party crashers or reducing the influence of lobbyists?

Lobbyists aren't trying to get their own reality TV show. That makes them just a bit better than attention whores.

[SonOfSmeagol]

We have spilled American blood in many countries on multiple continents. We have spent our revenue to help others rebuild from rubble and develop their own economies. We have joined with others to develop an architecture of institutions -- from the United Nations to NATO to the World Bank -- that provide for the common security and prosperity of human beings.

We have not always been thanked for these efforts, and we have at times made mistakes. But more than any other nation, the United States of America has underwritten global security for over six decades -- a time that, for all its problems, has seen walls come down, and markets open, and billions lifted from poverty, unparalleled scientific progress and advancing frontiers of human liberty.

For unlike the great powers of old, we have not sought world domination. Our union was founded in resistance to oppression. We do not seek to occupy other nations. We will not claim another nation’s resources or target other peoples because their faith or ethnicity is different from ours. What we have fought for -- what we continue to fight for -- is a better future for our children and grandchildren. And we believe that their lives will be better if other peoples’ children and grandchildren can live in freedom and access opportunity.

bho - Dec 2

Very tight words. Agreed. Now don't fuck it up.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whew!!!! Hes not a Muslim


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34174208/ns/today-white_house/

[underdog]

Whew!!!! Hes not a Muslim


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/34174208/ns/today-white_house/

That's obviously for the new Christmas day (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188908692954&ref=share).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's obviously for the new Christmas day (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188908692954&ref=share).

Give him a break, hes keeping Christ in Christmas

[SatCam]

30000 more troops and when they all die whose fault is it really?

[IMSlacker]

That's obviously for the new Christmas day (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=188908692954&ref=share).

This is the best idea ever. I've been saying that Elvis Presley's birthday should be a national holiday for years.

[Dude!]

30000 more troops and when they all die whose fault is it really?

hey hey o-ba-may
how many boys
did you kill today

[IMSlacker]

Unemployment is down to 10%!!! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125993225142676615.html)

The stimulus is working!

We did it!

Way to go Obama!

[foodcourtdruide]

Unemployment is down to 10%!!! (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125993225142676615.html)

The stimulus is working!

We did it!

Way to go Obama!

Once the economy fully recovers, THEN you will see how much the stimulus hurt our economies chance of recovery! Wait, what?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont open the bubbly just yet


http://www.youtube.com/user/schiffreport?blend=1&ob=4

[IMSlacker]

The market is up and gold is down today. Schiff's whole world is crashing down around him.

[foodcourtdruide]

The market is up and gold is down today. Schiff's whole world is crashing down around him.

I stopped watching the video when he started talking about another person on MSNBC arguing with him that I've never heard of. I don't understand any of this, and I'd say that 99% of the country doesn't either.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I still dont know why everyone is celebrating like this is great news. Long term unemployment is the highest since the depression. Gold was down today, but this is more of a correction as it will be $2000 /oz before you know it. Initially the mkt was up triple digits but ended up gaining only 22 pts

[TheMojoPin]

Yes, it's baffling why any improvement would be seen positively.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, it's baffling why any improvement would be seen positively.

Its like going to Vegas with $1000 and leaving with $1001.

Happy Days are here again!!!!

[high fly]

[SIZE="2"]

Who wouldn’t be all for decreasing the unregulated influence that lobbyists have over the establishment. However what’s interesting about the WaPo article is that there are absolutely no specifics or real evidence in there as to why the advisory panels are actually a problem.


CHECK IT OUT!
A lobbyist for the lobbyists!
fancy that!

[SonOfSmeagol]

CHECK IT OUT!
A lobbyist for the lobbyists!
fancy that!

Actually, no. I simply pointed out that there were no specifics or evidence in the article, or info from the WH related to the article, to support the position that the advisory panels are a problem.

[TheMojoPin]

http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2713ab87d459f8757cf27bc675b13c95.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/63a57046d7d6e73ee13f8b70f73438da.jpg
http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2fbdfd815791be5cecec13f7a59cfcdc.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/eaf9460985b2158b894b38f817550add.jpg

[Dude!]

http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/63a57046d7d6e73ee13f8b70f73438da.jpg



every black man in america
is embarrassed because
obama throws like a girl

[TheMojoPin]

He has to reign it in or else further shatter the confidence of honkies everywhere.

[SatCam]

http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2713ab87d459f8757cf27bc675b13c95.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/63a57046d7d6e73ee13f8b70f73438da.jpg
http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2fbdfd815791be5cecec13f7a59cfcdc.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/eaf9460985b2158b894b38f817550add.jpg

watch out afganistan

[underdog]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/63a57046d7d6e73ee13f8b70f73438da.jpg



every black man in america
is embarrassed because
obama throws like a girl

And he couldn't throw the ball 60 ft 6 inches without bouncing

[Bob Impact]

Ooooh, I love Obama snowball comics, I have no idea why and I totally can't defend why, but they just crack me up:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/bobimpact/obama-snowball_copy.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama is reliving his childhood when he would throw stones at the Christian kids in Indonesia who are the minority

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2713ab87d459f8757cf27bc675b13c95.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/63a57046d7d6e73ee13f8b70f73438da.jpg
http://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/2fbdfd815791be5cecec13f7a59cfcdc.jpghttp://www.thefunnypictures.info/d/file/funny%20obama%20pictures/2009-08-11/eaf9460985b2158b894b38f817550add.jpg

:clap: good stuff. finishing touch: the smirk on the SS guy in last frame

[TheMojoPin]

Obama is reliving his childhood when he would throw stones at the Christian kids in Indonesia who are the minority

Even though this was just yet another one of your shitty joke failures, you do realize he went to a Catholic school there, right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even though this was just yet another one of your shitty joke failures, you do realize he went to a Catholic school there, right?

Now youre Criticizing jokes? I hope you're not like that when you go see stand up

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Say what you want about Dubya he can throw a fastball


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS0BliZWhxE

[TheMojoPin]

Now youre Criticizing jokes? I hope you're not like that when you go see stand up

Those people are able to be funny. You're like that guy on the piano that sings all those shitty political jingles.

[A.J.]

Those people are able to be funny. You're like that guy on the piano that sings all those shitty political jingles.

http://www.markrussell.net/images/fords.jpg

[LordJezo]

Thou shalt not worship false idols:

http://incredibleworld.net/2009/12/statue-of-young-barack-obama-unveiled-in-jakarta/

He is a god to people and now he is forever cast in bronze for children to praise.

http://incredibleworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/obama-statue-3.jpg

[Dude!]

come on
who worships a floppy-eared
child in shorts

[Dude!]

people are longing for the old days

new poll: 44% would rather
have GW in charge

that's gotta be a red flag
to obama, given how unpopular
Bush was


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

[opie's twisted balls]

people are longing for the old days

new poll: 44% would rather
have GW in charge

That cracks me up!

[opie's twisted balls]

come on
who worships a floppy-eared
child in shorts
MILLIONS!!!

http://reason.com/assets/mc/_ATTIC/Image/jsullum/mickey_mouse.jpg

[TooLowBrow]

people are longing for the old days

new poll: 44% would rather
have GW in charge

that's gotta be a red flag
to obama, given how unpopular
Bush was


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1209/Bush_closes_the_gap.html

considering that 46% of people didnt vote for obama a year ago, i dont see how this means anything

[A.J.]

Thou shalt not worship false idols:

http://incredibleworld.net/2009/12/statue-of-young-barack-obama-unveiled-in-jakarta/

He is a god to people and now he is forever cast in bronze for children to praise.

http://incredibleworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/obama-statue-3.jpg

Don't worry -- pigeons will be shitting all over that thing in no time.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Don't worry -- pigeons will be shitting all over that thing in no time.

They got the ears perfectly on that statue

[LordJezo]

There was once a time when Republicans did not have to fear their president and worry about what people would do to them if they were outed in public. Things used to be good out there, not the culture of terror and hate that we have now.

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[epo]

There was once a time when Republicans did not have to fear their president and worry about what people would do to them if they were outed in public. Things used to be good out there, not the culture of terror and hate that we have now.

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Run in fear. We've got the gps on your vehicle and are tracking your every move.

Soon enough....

[epo]

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That is so fucking terrible. I wonder who paid for that shit. (Of course we know the answer is the health insurance lobby...but I'd still like to know who.)

[SonOfSmeagol]

… The world may no longer shudder at the prospect of war between two nuclear superpowers, but proliferation may increase the risk of catastrophe. Terrorism has long been a tactic, but modern technology allows a few small men with outsized rage to murder innocents on a horrific scale…

…We must begin by acknowledging the hard truth: We will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetimes. There will be times when nations -- acting individually or in concert -- will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified…

… I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world…To say that force may sometimes be necessary is not a call to cynicism -- it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason…

… I understand why war is not popular, but I also know this: The belief that peace is desirable is rarely enough to achieve it. Peace requires responsibility. Peace entails sacrifice. That's why NATO continues to be indispensable. That's why we must strengthen U.N. and regional peacekeeping, and not leave the task to a few countries. That's why we honor those who return home from peacekeeping and training abroad to Oslo and Rome; to Ottawa and Sydney; to Dhaka and Kigali -- we honor them not as makers of war, but of wagers -- but as wagers of peace…

…it is also incumbent upon all of us to insist that nations like Iran and North Korea do not game the system. Those who claim to respect international law cannot avert their eyes when those laws are flouted. Those who care for their own security cannot ignore the danger of an arms race in the Middle East or East Asia. Those who seek peace cannot stand idly by as nations arm themselves for nuclear war.

... I believe that peace is unstable where citizens are denied the right to speak freely or worship as they please; choose their own leaders or assemble without fear. Pent-up grievances fester, and the suppression of tribal and religious identity can lead to violence. We also know that the opposite is true. Only when Europe became free did it finally find peace. America has never fought a war against a democracy, and our closest friends are governments that protect the rights of their citizens. No matter how callously defined, neither America's interests -- nor the world's -- are served by the denial of human aspirations...

...And most dangerously, we see it in the way that religion is used to justify the murder of innocents by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam, and who attacked my country from Afghanistan. These extremists are not the first to kill in the name of God; the cruelties of the Crusades are amply recorded. But they remind us that no Holy War can ever be a just war. For if you truly believe that you are carrying out divine will, then there is no need for restraint -- no need to spare the pregnant mother, or the medic, or the Red Cross worker, or even a person of one's own faith. Such a warped view of religion is not just incompatible with the concept of peace, but I believe it's incompatible with the very purpose of faith -- for the one rule that lies at the heart of every major religion is that we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

bho Dec 10. Gauging these words, he's got potential for seeing the real world as it is and maintaining our place in it. Potential. Now, let's see more policies to follow it up.

[angrymissy]

Obama the next Radio Shark?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/12/obama-calls-in-barry-from-dc/1

[A.J.]

Obama the next Radio Shark?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/12/obama-calls-in-barry-from-dc/1

Well, his health care bill is a real stink bomb! HIIIIIIIIIIII_yoooooooo!

[Bob Impact]

Obama the next Radio Shark?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/12/obama-calls-in-barry-from-dc/1

He needs better things to do with his time.

[HBox]

He needs better things to do with his time.

He also needs to be a better prank caller. Prank calls aren't typically started by announcing who you really are.

[Kevin]

That is so fucking terrible. I wonder who paid for that shit. (Of course we know the answer is the health insurance lobby...but I'd still like to know who.)

I wonder how much more they paid the non whites to do this..

They seemed to be less enthusiastic about it than the whites.

[Bob Impact]

I wonder how much more they paid the non whites to do this..

They seemed to be less enthusiastic about it than the whites.

racist.

[Kevin]

racist.

I guess I'm a racist.

[underdog]

Please explain.

The bills depriving people of their liberty and the stepping on of every american's rights

Still waiting on this explanation.

[Bob Impact]

Still waiting on this explanation.

You're a racist!

Or he's a racist... quite frankly I'm lost.

[LordJezo]

Thou shalt not worship false idols:

http://incredibleworld.net/2009/12/statue-of-young-barack-obama-unveiled-in-jakarta/

He is a god to people and now he is forever cast in bronze for children to praise.

http://incredibleworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/obama-statue-3.jpg

Statue could be torn down.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hFv1KDPbvngI1hk4Y8UFGhAJkDpg

People are finally coming to their senses?

[Serpico1103]

Statue could be torn down.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hFv1KDPbvngI1hk4Y8UFGhAJkDpg

People are finally coming to their senses?

So should every Columbus statute in America. Let's honor Americans not filthy Italians.

[A.J.]

So should every Columbus statute in America. Let's honor Americans not filthy Italians.

I guess the Jersey Shore gang is out.

[Ritalin]

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/gallery-obamalakers1.jpg

Rapist what?

[LordJezo]

So should every Columbus statute in America. Let's honor Americans not filthy Italians.

Hopefully they are taking it down because all it is doing is inspiring children to grow up to be country wrecking criminals who's policies do nothing but harm the world and destroy everything that is good around him. That statue is an effigy to satan and the illumaiti that are ruling this nation without anyone to stop them from doing anything they want in order to further their personal power over civilians.

[Crispy123]

Hopefully they are taking it down because all it is doing is inspiring children to grow up to be country wrecking criminals who's policies do nothing but harm the world and destroy everything that is good around him. That statue is an effigy to satan and the illumaiti that are ruling this nation without anyone to stop them from doing anything they want in order to further their personal power over civilians.

Seriously, I agree with Jezo on this one. Take the statue of GWB down immediately!

[Misteriosa]

im putting this in the best and the worst.

its the HuffPost SotU 2010 Drinking game:


Event
Obama says "let me be clear" - Do one shot
Obama says "change isn't easy" Do one shot
Obama says "make no mistake" Do one shot
Obama says "Let me be clear, change isn't easy, make no mistake." He's screwing with you to get you drunk, so five shots
Joe Wilson yells something Do two shots
Obama yells back Finish the bottle
Obama says "jobs" Do one shot, two if you're unemployed
Obama says "health care" Do not drink, you will not be given a replacement liver
Nancy Pelosi claps like a seal
Do one shot
Nancy Pelosi becomes a seal STOP DRINKING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
Obama mentions Bo Put beer in your dog's water bowl
Michelle Obama wears a slinky dress Go immediately to the HuffPost Style page for close-ups
Joe Biden nods-off/laughs inappropriately/starts talking before the speech is over Do three shots
Obama uses the term "Congressional leadership" Do two shots carefully as all that laughing will make it difficult to swallow
Obama says he's "fighting for you" Do one shot, two if you believe him
Obama mentions Haiti Text “Haiti” to the number 90999 and donate $10 to the Red Cross

[Penelope]

Ooooh, I love Obama snowball comics, I have no idea why and I totally can't defend why, but they just crack me up:
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/bobimpact/obama-snowball_copy.jpg

I completely missed this. This had me laughing pretty hard.

[Serpico1103]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/02/09/2010-02-09_president_obama_to_gop_leaders_stop_grandstandi ng_and_get_to_work_on_jobs_bill.html

"Get to work you lazy, unpatriotic, self-serving conservatives. Or, I will go over and even through you if necessary."

Barry Obama

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/02/09/2010-02-09_president_obama_to_gop_leaders_stop_grandstandi ng_and_get_to_work_on_jobs_bill.html

"Get to work you lazy, unpatriotic, self-serving conservatives. Or, I will go over and even through you if necessary."

Barry Obama

Too Bad BHO doesnt know the basic definition of what a job is.

[Crispy123]

Too Bad the GOP doesnt know the basic definition of what a job is.

Amen to that brother!

[Serpico1103]

Too Bad BHO doesnt know the basic definition of what a job is.

Doesn't BHO's teleprompter tell him. Or should Barry seek tutelage from Peter Schiff. Maybe Barack can channel the soul of Regan to get use of his great economic theories. On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama may just wait until Palin takes over to clean up this mess. Unfortunately, Obama will remain in charge during our drawn out recession.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Doesn't BHO's teleprompter tell him. Or should Barry seek tutelage from Peter Schiff. Maybe Barack can channel the soul of Regan to get use of his great economic theories. On the other hand, Barack Hussein Obama may just wait until Palin takes over to clean up this mess. Unfortunately, Obama will remain in charge during our drawn out recession.

Most of those "intellectuals" he has surrounding him never met a payroll. Hell Maybe BHO can have trickle up poverty as his theory.

Palin? HAAAAA Why does anyone take her seriously?

[Serpico1103]

Most of those "intellectuals" he has surrounding him never met a payroll. Hell Maybe BHO can have trickle up poverty as his theory.

Palin? HAAAAA Why does anyone take her seriously?

I also hate "smart people."
Palin has power because Republicans have empowered radical lunatics.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I also hate "smart people."
Palin has power because Republicans have empowered radical lunatics.

And the Dems have their lunatics like Boxer, Reid, and Pelosi

[Serpico1103]

And the Dems have their lunatics like Boxer, Reid, and Pelosi

You can't just agree. You always have to throw a stone at the Dems. Your libertarianism facade is slipping.
Shouldn't you join me in destroying the Republicans, than we can turn on the Dems?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can't just agree. You always have to throw a stone at the Dems. Your libertarianism facade is slipping.
Shouldn't you join me in destroying the Republicans, than we can turn on the Dems?

Yes, Palin is a religious nut just like the rest of the evangelicals Im not disagreeing with you on that one.

[LordJezo]

The gym was on fucking fire today, it was intense.

I walked over to the stretching area and two dudes were going off on heathcare

"HEALTHCARE IS ALL SORTS OF FUCKED UP"

"ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT"

"WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?"

"HE INHERITED THIS MESS! BUSH COULDNT DO A THING"

Then someone on one of the nearby ab machines chimed in "Everyone is always picking on Bush"

Eventually it led to people yelling about illegals, saying they are ruining our prison system. Some random other guy in the area starts talking to himself loudly "What about the Oklahoma city bombing? That wasn't an immigrant" and then kept getting louder "All the big crimes are whites!"

I had to get out of the whole situation, things were going south, I like an awkward situation but it was too much for me to handle. I went and did a random set of calf presses and looked at the free weights. I eventually came back and talked about eating prunes with the seniors.

Haven't seen that much energy in the gym in a while.

[keithy_19]

The gym was on fucking fire today, it was intense.

I walked over to the stretching area and two dudes were going off on heathcare

"HEALTHCARE IS ALL SORTS OF FUCKED UP"

"ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT"

"WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?"

"HE INHERITED THIS MESS! BUSH COULDNT DO A THING"

Then someone on one of the nearby ab machines chimed in "Everyone is always picking on Bush"

Eventually it led to people yelling about illegals, saying they are ruining our prison system. Some random other guy in the area starts talking to himself loudly "What about the Oklahoma city bombing? That wasn't an immigrant" and then kept getting louder "All the big crimes are whites!"

I had to get out of the whole situation, things were going south, I like an awkward situation but it was too much for me to handle. I went and did a random set of calf presses and looked at the free weights. I eventually came back and talked about eating prunes with the seniors.

Haven't seen that much energy in the gym in a while.

Roid rage at the gym.

[Serpico1103]

The gym was on fucking fire today, it was intense.

I walked over to the stretching area and two dudes were going off on heathcare

"HEALTHCARE IS ALL SORTS OF FUCKED UP"

"ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT"

"WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?"

"HE INHERITED THIS MESS! BUSH COULDNT DO A THING"

Then someone on one of the nearby ab machines chimed in "Everyone is always picking on Bush"

Eventually it led to people yelling about illegals, saying they are ruining our prison system. Some random other guy in the area starts talking to himself loudly "What about the Oklahoma city bombing? That wasn't an immigrant" and then kept getting louder "All the big crimes are whites!"

I had to get out of the whole situation, things were going south, I like an awkward situation but it was too much for me to handle. I went and did a random set of calf presses and looked at the free weights. I eventually came back and talked about eating prunes with the seniors.

Haven't seen that much energy in the gym in a while.

Is this The Onion's corporate gym?

[LordJezo]

Is this The Onion's corporate gym?

Just a gym with normal citizens concerned about atrocities committed by their ruling government.

[Dude!]

Just a gym with normal citizens concerned about atrocities committed by their ruling government.

to associate the word 'ruling'
with the obama admin is laughable

they have gotten nothing done
and will get nothing done

rulers get results
these fools get nothing

[SonOfSmeagol]

You gotta love Rahm, he goes above and beyond as COS.

“I am sitting there showering, naked as a jaybird, and here comes Rahm Emanuel, not even with a towel,” Mr. Massa said, adding that Mr. Emanuel poked “his finger in my chest, yelling at me at me because I wasn’t going to vote for the president’s budget.”

“You know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?” he continued.

Departing Congressman Assails Democrats (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/nyregion/09massa.html)

[Serpico1103]

You gotta love Rahm, he goes above and beyond as COS.
Departing Congressman Assails Democrats (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/nyregion/09massa.html)
Guy leaving due to cancer, sexual harassment charges, or being attacked by the "spawn of satan?"
Why can't anyone in office be sane?

[Syd]

Jezo, ever considered solipsism? Or rather, you're now letting you know about solipsism. You think it should be something you should be very interested, especially if you're a brain in a jar.

[TripleSkeet]

The gym was on fucking fire today, it was intense.

I walked over to the stretching area and two dudes were going off on heathcare

"HEALTHCARE IS ALL SORTS OF FUCKED UP"

"ITS ALL BUSH'S FAULT"

"WHAT ABOUT OBAMA?"

"HE INHERITED THIS MESS! BUSH COULDNT DO A THING"

Then someone on one of the nearby ab machines chimed in "Everyone is always picking on Bush"

Eventually it led to people yelling about illegals, saying they are ruining our prison system. Some random other guy in the area starts talking to himself loudly "What about the Oklahoma city bombing? That wasn't an immigrant" and then kept getting louder "All the big crimes are whites!"

I had to get out of the whole situation, things were going south, I like an awkward situation but it was too much for me to handle. I went and did a random set of calf presses and looked at the free weights. I eventually came back and talked about eating prunes with the seniors.

Haven't seen that much energy in the gym in a while.


I highlighted all the parts that made me laugh.

[Serpico1103]

You gotta love Rahm, he goes above and beyond as COS.



Departing Congressman Assails Democrats (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/nyregion/09massa.html)

Massa was on Fox today.
Denied sexually groping the aide. "I tickled him, tickled him until he couldn't breathe, then four guys jumped on me." Grown man tickling another grown man= Gay. Grown man allowing another man to tickle him= Gay. Is tickling sex?
"You know how awkward it is to have a political debate with an erection."

[Ogre]

Massa was on Fox today.
Denied sexually groping the aide. "I tickled him, tickled him until he couldn't breathe, then four guys jumped on me." Grown man tickling another grown man= Gay. Grown man allowing another man to tickle him= Gay. Is tickling sex?
"You know how awkward it is to have a political debate with an erection."

Now that's funny.
eww
Now I have a mental image of Rahm and Massa swordfighting in the shower.

[angrymissy]

Massa was on Fox today.
Denied sexually groping the aide. "I tickled him, tickled him until he couldn't breathe, then four guys jumped on me." Grown man tickling another grown man= Gay. Grown man allowing another man to tickle him= Gay. Is tickling sex?
"You know how awkward it is to have a political debate with an erection."

Gayest description of events ever. Did he think that was going to make him look better?

[hanso]

Beck asked "Did you grope him"?

A
"Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn't breathe".

[Serpico1103]

Beck asked "Did you grope him"?

A
"Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn't breathe".

Akin to a rape defense of, "Not only did I fuck her, but I came in her face."

[keithy_19]

Akin to a rape defense of, "Not only did I fuck her, but I came in her face."

:lol:

[keithy_19]

Beck asked "Did you grope him"?

A
"Not only did I grope him, I tickled him until he couldn't breathe".

The lighter side of politics.

[Ogre]

Akin to a rape defense of, "Not only did I fuck her, but I came in her face."

Damn dude that's twice in the last week you have made me laugh out loud.

[hanso]

The lighter side of politics.

If I can find the clip of it . It will be posted there.

[high fly]

Most of those "intellectuals" he has surrounding him never met a payroll.

Yeah, we need a guy with business experience and who has met a payroll. Icing on the cake if he's got an Ivy League MBA.
Someone like George W. Bush.....

[high fly]

You gotta love Rahm, he goes above and beyond as COS.

My fave Rahm line to date is when he said Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech was like "spiking the ball on the 50-yard line"

[Bob Impact]

My fave Rahm line to date is when he said Bush's "Mission Accomplished" speech was like "spiking the ball on the 50-yard line"

I'm not a fan of Rahm but that's a really funny fuckin' line.

[high fly]

I'm not a fan of Rahm but that's a really funny fuckin' line.

Emanuel had another good one where he said something like, "Bill Frist has this upside down. He thought Terry Schiavo could see and that his trust was blind", but the one, above, is my fave...

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.ctj.org/obamastaxcuts.php

Impacts on People in Your State
State Fact Sheets and Analysis from Citizens for Tax Justice

Recent polling shows that most people believe President Obama has either left taxes the same for this past year or actually raised them. The truth could not be more different. The President cut taxes for 98 percent of working people in 2009. Read our fact sheet for details.

Fact Sheet: President Obama Cut Taxes for 98% of Working Families in 2009

You can also click on your state below to see how working families in your state benefit from the tax cuts signed into law by President Obama.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.ctj.org/obamastaxcuts.php

Impacts on People in Your State
State Fact Sheets and Analysis from Citizens for Tax Justice

Recent polling shows that most people believe President Obama has either left taxes the same for this past year or actually raised them. The truth could not be more different. The President cut taxes for 98 percent of working people in 2009. Read our fact sheet for details.

Fact Sheet: President Obama Cut Taxes for 98% of Working Families in 2009

You can also click on your state below to see how working families in your state benefit from the tax cuts signed into law by President Obama.

Taxes are still going up. The clever way he describes it isn't fooling anyone. Theres a tax on cigarettes that went up face it many middle class and poor people smoke, theres talk about a VAT which will mean even higher taxes. A $13 tax cut is peanuts compared for whats to come. Cap and trade isnt dead yet

Anyone who makes sub 250K who thinks they wont have their Income taxes raised is living in a fantasyland

Another new entitlement was passed recently, sure only the top 5% of earners will finance this yea right, I can not believe there are still gullible people who will continue to blindly follow BHO and his handlers

[Serpico1103]

Taxes are still going up. The clever way he describes it isn't fooling anyone. Theres a tax on cigarettes that went up face it many middle class and poor people smoke, theres talk about a VAT which will mean even higher taxes. A $13 tax cut is peanuts compared for whats to come. Cap and trade isnt dead yet

Anyone who makes sub 250K who thinks they wont have their Income taxes raised is living in a fantasyland

Another new entitlement was passed recently, sure only the top 5% of earners will finance this yea right, I can not believe there are still gullible people who will continue to blindly follow BHO and his handlers
Your best argument is that taxes on cigarettes erase the cited tax cuts? Grasping at straws. Next, you predict future tax increases without citing any evidence on how it will effect the poor; sub 250k. I hope the tea party turns this big government around. With sarah palin and joe the plumber leading the charge, I have a good feeling about.

[CurseoftheBambi]

so your taxes haven't actually gone up yet wrestling...so what are you complaining about NOW...when IT hasnt HAPPENED YET.:wallbash:

[Serpico1103]

so your taxes haven't actually gone up yet wrestling...so what are you complaining about NOW...when IT hasnt HAPPENED YET.:wallbash:
Because he earned everything he has, no one ever gave him anything, he doesn't rely on the government for anything. Why should he tolerate our god, bho, cutting taxes?

[foodcourtdruide]

Taxes are still going up. The clever way he describes it isn't fooling anyone. Theres a tax on cigarettes that went up face it many middle class and poor people smoke, theres talk about a VAT which will mean even higher taxes. A $13 tax cut is peanuts compared for whats to come. Cap and trade isnt dead yet

Anyone who makes sub 250K who thinks they wont have their Income taxes raised is living in a fantasyland

Another new entitlement was passed recently, sure only the top 5% of earners will finance this yea right, I can not believe there are still gullible people who will continue to blindly follow BHO and his handlers

Seriously wf, the cigarette tax going up? That's your argument? That's insanely weak.

[angrymissy]

Seriously wf, the cigarette tax going up? That's your argument? That's insanely weak.

That is the argument I hear in many political forums.

"Obama did raise taxes on the poor... he raised the cigarette tax"

[underdog]

Seriously wf, the cigarette tax going up? That's your argument? That's insanely weak.

Maybe his argument is that poor people disproportionately smoke, so therefore poor people's taxes actually went up because they bought so many smokes this past year.

That's about as solid as all of his other arguments.

[underdog]

At least corporations pay their fair share (http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/5551496-corporations-like-ge-and-exxon-pay-no-taxes)

Oh wait.

[Jujubees2]

Because he earned everything he has, no one ever gave him anything, he doesn't rely on the government for anything. Why should he tolerate our god, bho, cutting taxes?

Don't forget about how his taxes are paying for all the illegals who have jackpot babies.

[foodcourtdruide]

That is the argument I hear in many political forums.

"Obama did raise taxes on the poor... he raised the cigarette tax"

I don't understand this argument at all. Cigarette taxes have been going up FOREVER. Suddenly, the poor are being taxed more because the taxes have gone up AGAIN? This is totally grasping at straws.

[A.J.]

I don't understand this argument at all. Cigarette taxes have been going up FOREVER. Suddenly, the poor are being taxed more because the taxes have gone up AGAIN? This is totally grasping at straws.

The point of that is to force people to quit smoking by making it too expensive.

If only they taxed crappy food the same way. That way the poor would be forced to eat healthier, and Michele Obama could see her anti-obesity cause fulfilled.

[foodcourtdruide]

The point of that is to force people to quit smoking by making it too expensive.

If only they taxed crappy food the same way. That way the poor would be forced to eat healthier, and Michele Obama could see her anti-obesity cause fulfilled.

Yup. The crazy cigarette tax thing is not an exclusively Obama issue, which is why I think it's a shitty counterpoint to the tax cut argument.

[Serpico1103]

Yup. The crazy cigarette tax thing is not an exclusively Obama issue, which is why I think it's a shitty counterpoint to the tax cut argument.
Illegals are poor. Poor people smoke. Obama raised taxes on smokers. Ergo, obama raised taxes on illegals. Why does wf want illegals to have cheap cigarettes?

[TjM]

Illegals are poor. Poor people smoke. Obama raised taxes on smokers. Ergo, obama raised taxes on illegals. Why does wf want illegals to have cheap cigarettes?

:laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

:laugh:

Illegals dont smoke as much as they drink

The Pro BHO are rejoicing over a very miniscule tax cut. With the prce of everything else going up IE. Metro cards, Gasoline, utilities plus the upcoming VAT etc guess what? Corporations wont be paying that, it gets passed down, so that tiny income tax cut that people are rejoicing about is nothing but a shellgame

[TjM]

Illegals dont smoke as much as they drink



Lemme guess Tequila and Corona right?

[Serpico1103]

Illegals dont smoke as much as they drink

The Pro BHO are rejoicing over a very miniscule tax cut. With the prce of everything else going up IE. Metro cards, Gasoline, utilities plus the upcoming VAT etc guess what? Corporations wont be paying that, it gets passed down, so that tiny income tax cut that people are rejoicing about is nothing but a shellgame
Until you fly a plane into a building I won't respect your stance on taxes. All talk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until you fly a plane into a building I won't respect your stance on taxes. All talk.

I wont be getting my pilots license anytime soon but here some indicators that it can happen

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-a-budget/91927-the-big-question-will-the-us-have-to-raise-taxes-on-the-middle-class

http://douthat.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/will-we-get-a-v-a-t/

In the meantime don't spend the extra few sheckles all in 1 place

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lemme guess Tequila and Corona right?

Anything they can get their hands on

[CurseoftheBambi]

With the prce of everything else going up IE. Metro cards, Gasoline, utilities plus the upcoming VAT etc guess what? Corporations wont be paying that, it gets passed down, so that tiny income tax cut that people are rejoicing about is nothing but a shellgame and they've been going up for years... even before obama was in office so what does that have to do with Obama ????

[Serpico1103]

and they've been going up for years... even before obama was in office so what does that have to do with Obama ????
WF is trying to bring down the system, man. He operates outside the two parties: libertarian. While I agree that both parties suck, I believe in democrat principles more, unfortunately most democrat politicians don't have the back bone to stand up for them; i.e. Iraq war. Politicians want to be popular instead of right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and they've been going up for years... even before obama was in office so what does that have to do with Obama ????

Well they will after a multi trillion dollar entitlement program got passed,

[underdog]

Illegals dont smoke as much as they drink

The Pro BHO are rejoicing over a very miniscule tax cut. With the prce of everything else going up IE. Metro cards, Gasoline, utilities plus the upcoming VAT etc guess what? Corporations wont be paying that, it gets passed down, so that tiny income tax cut that people are rejoicing about is nothing but a shellgame

Are you trying to tell us that the prices of stuff inflates? That's just crazy talk.