Obama - Best President Ever?

[Serpico1103]

Are you trying to tell us that the prices of stuff inflates? That's just crazy talk.
Because of government regulation. Inflation is a product of socialist intervention in the free market.

[Barnaby Jones]

This WRESTLINGFAN goofball is right up there with Lord Jezo! Both guys make it a joy to read the political threads here. I really want to salute both of them for putting so much effort into maintaining such wacky caricatures! Kudos!

[Serpico1103]

This WRESTLINGFAN goofball is right up there with Lord Jezo! Both guys make it a joy to read the political threads here. I really want to salute both of them for putting so much effort into maintaining such wacky caricatures! Kudos!
WF, I got this.

Is it wacky to protest a socialist president? Call me wacky.

[Barnaby Jones]

You're wacky!

[Serpico1103]

You're wacky!
That's right. Everyone that respects our history and wants to return to our glory enjoyed during the regan era is wacky. Elitist!

[Barnaby Jones]

Killer stuff!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are you trying to tell us that the prices of stuff inflates? That's just crazy talk.

Crazy talk is believing that the top wage earners will be the only ones facing higher income taxes

[Barnaby Jones]

Just kidding! You're the best!

[Jujubees2]

That's right. Everyone that respects our history and wants to return to our glory enjoyed during the regan era is wacky. Elitist!

Yep, those days when ketchup was classified as a vegetable!

[underdog]

Crazy talk is believing that the top wage earners will be the only ones facing higher income taxes

Well, at least their corporations won't pay any taxes.

[Serpico1103]

Yep, those days when ketchup was classified as a vegetable!
Everything was better than. I dream about a world where dementia regan raises from the dead, fights obama (like mothra v. Godzilla) and leads us back to the glorious 80's.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This WRESTLINGFAN goofball is right up there with Lord Jezo! Both guys make it a joy to read the political threads here. I really want to salute both of them for putting so much effort into maintaining such wacky caricatures! Kudos!

At my gym I dont converse with anyone except are you done with your sets? Where I go to Yoga its filled with Greenwich soccer moms most of the talk there is about how much their husbands work managing Hedge funds

[Bob Impact]

Well, at least their corporations won't pay any taxes.

The average statutory corporate tax rate is 35-39%.

[Jujubees2]

Everything was better than. I dream about a world where dementia regan raises from the dead, fights obama (like mothra v. Godzilla) and leads us back to the glorious 80's.

Don't forget about Nancy (aka Mommy) and her astrologer...

[Serpico1103]

At my gym I dont converse with anyone except are you done with your sets? Where I go to Yoga its filled with Greenwich soccer moms most of the talk there is about how much their husbands work managing Hedge funds
WRESTLINGJEZO. I love it.

Is obama poisoning our bread?

[Bob Impact]

Everything was better than. I dream about a world where dementia regan raises from the dead, fights obama (like mothra v. Godzilla) and leads us back to the glorious 80's.

FUCK YEAH ZOMBIE REAGAN!

[Serpico1103]

The average statutory corporate tax rate is 35-39%.
So corporations pay an average of 35-39 percent of their revenue? I read, in a liberal rag, that half of large corporations pay no taxes at all.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WRESTLINGJEZO. I love it.

Is obama poisoning our bread?

Yes and he's banning pork, alcohol and will call for Prayers 5 times a day. The Capitol will be turned into a giant Mosque since it already has a dome

[A.J.]

Yes and he's banning pork, alcohol and will call for Prayers 5 times a day. The Capitol will be turned into a giant Mosque since it already has a dome

And the Washington Monument will be the minaret?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And the Washington Monument will be the minaret?

Rock the CasBahma

[underdog]

The average statutory corporate tax rate is 35-39%.

I meant the top wage earners' corporations. Those are the ones that don't pay taxes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rock the CasBahma

Barack the Casbah

[high fly]

Yep, those days when ketchup was classified as a vegetable!

One of the high points of the Reagan administration was when those "fiscal conservatives" in the White House proposed a bigger budget than those free-spending Democrats in Congress....

More knee-slappers came when Ronald "Dutch" Reagan kept promising we would never make deals with terrorists "because once we start down that road, there would be no end to it."
All the while he was sending planeloads of anti-tank rockets to the Iranians as ransom payments. They wouldn't deliver on the hostages, so "Dutch" Reagan would just send them some more to try to get them to change their minds....

[Jujubees2]

Taxes at Lowest Levels in 60 Years (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/04/15/taxes_at_lowest_levels_in_60_years.html?utm_source =feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20PoliticalWire%20(Political%20 Wire)&utm_content=Google%20Reader)

[Dude!]

Taxes at Lowest Levels in 60 Years (http://politicalwire.com/archives/2010/04/15/taxes_at_lowest_levels_in_60_years.html?utm_source =feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20PoliticalWire%20(Political%20 Wire)&utm_content=Google%20Reader)

wow, some link....
the guy makes a claim
and there is ZERO
explanation, documentation
or analysis to prove it

i guess if someone says something
you just believe it

[foodcourtdruide]

wow, some link....
the guy makes a claim
and there is ZERO
explanation, documentation
or analysis to prove it

i guess if someone says something
you just believe it

Do you want him to have a history of the Tax Policy Center on his 2 paragraph news snippet? The article links to the CBS News article which expounds on the claims, and puts it into better context. Also, if you're curious about the claim, why not check out the group making it? It seems pretty independent to me, they take both sides in their publications.

http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/

[Barnaby Jones]

wow, some link....
the guy makes a claim
and there is ZERO
explanation, documentation
or analysis to prove it

i guess if someone says something
you just believe it

I hope you recover from your stroke!

[angrymissy]

wow, some link....
the guy makes a claim
and there is ZERO
explanation, documentation
or analysis to prove it

i guess if someone says something
you just believe it

All you had to do was follow the links, and you'll see the explanation backing up his claim...

[WRESTLINGFAN]

With his healthcare bill being passed you would think he would have gotten a big bump in approval ratings, thats not so. Hes still mired in the Mid 40% range in a lot of the major polls

[Serpico1103]

Let's not introduce facts into this thread. Besides, obama is raising taxes for those over 250k, since we all make more than that, we should join fringe groups like the tea party to be exploited by fox and mocked by everyone else.

[Serpico1103]

With his healthcare bill being passed you would think he would have gotten a big bump in approval ratings, thats not so. Hes still mired in the Mid 40% range in a lot of the major polls
Is popularity important? I want a president that is unpopular. If the public understands his choices and their long term impact, I have seriously underestimated the intelligence of people.
I guess you listen to top 40 music and stand in line for the next giant robot movie. They must be great, they are popular.

[SinA]

Is popularity important? I want a president that is unpopular. If the public understands his choices and their long term impact, I have seriously underestimated the intelligence of people.
I guess you listen to top 40 music and stand in line for the next giant robot movie. They must be great, they are popular.

Abortions for some, tiny American flags for everyone!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I want a president that is unpopular

http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/thegrassyknoll/President-George-W-Bush.jpg

[SinA]

http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/thegrassyknoll/President-George-W-Bush.jpg

Unpopyooler


(besides, he was pretty popular when he started a war with a country that didn't attack us, started wiretapping our phones and recording our calls, failed to act when a major southern city had the worst natural disaster in a century, and lifted regulations on enron and goldman sachs)

[foodcourtdruide]

With his healthcare bill being passed you would think he would have gotten a big bump in approval ratings, thats not so. Hes still mired in the Mid 40% range in a lot of the major polls

"Mired in the Mid 40% range"? I'm sorry to introduce historical context, but I don't know if "mired" is the correct word.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

[Serpico1103]

http://blogs.sundaymercury.net/thegrassyknoll/President-George-W-Bush.jpg
Maybe we don't understand our need to be in 2 wars. Maybe 20 years we will see bush for the genius he was.
I want a smart, but unpopular president. Better? That eliminates gwb and reagan.

[foodcourtdruide]

"Mired in the Mid 40% range"? I'm sorry to introduce historical context, but I don't know if "mired" is the correct word.
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/info-presapp0605-31.html

Also, Gallup has Obama at 49% right now with a +-3.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Unpopyooler


(besides, he was pretty popular when he started a war with a country that didn't attack us, started wiretapping our phones and recording our calls, failed to act when a major southern city had the worst natural disaster in a century, and lifted regulations on enron and goldman sachs)

Obama is continuing the Patriot act. Escalating an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, killing civilians in drone strikes. cant decide where to try terrorists, alienating an ally in Israel Running up excessive debt and deficits, In bed with the gangsters at Goldman Sachs making a bad economy even worse Bilked Chrysler bondholders and cowering to the UAW, a bloated federal budget where 1/3 of all spending is based on borrowed money. Bei-Jing is concerned about the explosion of borrowed money lying about having no lobbyists, someone supposed to change Washington DC but is a typical Chicago politician but hey its your cool Black man in the Oval office so its all Ok with you

I know its not concerned with politics but he couldnt even answer who his favorite White Sox players were when asked, so much for being a fan of the south siders

The Patron saint of the 2nd city is not a great president at all.

[Serpico1103]

Obama is continuing the Patriot act. Escalating an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, killing civilians in drone strikes. cant decide where to try terrorists, alienating an ally in Israel Running up excessive debt and deficits, In bed with the gangsters at Goldman Sachs making a bad economy even worse...in the Oval office so its all Ok with you

I know its not concerned with politics but he couldnt even answer who his favorite White Sox players were when asked, so much for being a fan of the south siders
This is why we get shitty politicians. Because you think they need to follow baseball to lead our country. The old "I want a president a could drink with" problem. I want a president that I would hate to hang out with. A hyper active hyper intelligent political animal. Not someone who gives a fuck about a children's game.

[SinA]

Obama is continuing the Patriot act. Escalating an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, killing civilians in drone strikes. cant decide where to try terrorists, alienating an ally in Israel Running up excessive debt and deficits, In bed with the gangsters at Goldman Sachs making a bad economy even worse Bilked Chrysler bondholders and cowering to the UAW, a bloated federal budget where 1/3 of all spending is based on borrowed money. Bei-Jing is concerned about the explosion of borrowed money lying about having no lobbyists, someone supposed to change Washington DC but is a typical Chicago politician but hey its your cool Black man in the Oval office so its all Ok with you

I know its not concerned with politics but he couldnt even answer who his favorite White Sox players were when asked, so much for being a fan of the south siders

The Patron saint of the 2nd city is not a great president at all.



See? We can agree on something. Obama hasn't changed the sheets, but it was Bush that shit in the bed.

[foodcourtdruide]

Obama is continuing the Patriot act. Escalating an unwinnable war in Afghanistan, killing civilians in drone strikes. cant decide where to try terrorists, alienating an ally in Israel Running up excessive debt and deficits, In bed with the gangsters at Goldman Sachs making a bad economy even worse Bilked Chrysler bondholders and cowering to the UAW, a bloated federal budget where 1/3 of all spending is based on borrowed money. Bei-Jing is concerned about the explosion of borrowed money lying about having no lobbyists, someone supposed to change Washington DC but is a typical Chicago politician but hey its your cool Black man in the Oval office so its all Ok with you


I don't think Obama has been perfect, and I agree with some of your points (especially about the role of lobbyists) and am not familiar enough with the federal budget or how debt and deficits work to make a good argument. However, I will say regarding being in bed with Goldman Sachs:http://money.cnn.com/2010/04/16/news/companies/sec.goldman.fortune/index.htm?hpt=T1

How has he aliented Israel? Do you honestly think of Israel was attacked tomorrow we wouldn't be their biggest ally? Has anyone ever remotely said that?

And I find it difficult to criticize him regarding Afghanistan/Iraq because he inherited SUCH a disaster in both places. I can't even begin to think of what the solution will be there, and I think we'll be able to judge Obama's policies better in a few years.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is why we get shitty politicians. Because you think they need to follow baseball to lead our country. The old "I want a president a could drink with" problem. I want a president that I would hate to hang out with. A hyper active hyper intelligent political animal. Not someone who gives a fuck about a children's game.

That wasn't the point. He was asked who his favorite White Sox players were and he couldnt respond. I am a lifelong Yankees fan & I know who Ruth, DiMaggio, Berra are

Hanging out with Obama . Everyone wants to hang out with him he has most of Hollywood and in the music industry slobbering over his every move

The days of cerebral politicians are over, Its all about celebrity status look at 2 big examples. Palin and Obama

If you really want a highly intelligent politician you should support Ron Paul, hes about as boring as they come but a hell of a lot smarter than most of the politicians out there

[foodcourtdruide]

That wasn't the point. He was asked who his favorite White Sox players were and he couldnt respond. I am a lifelong Yankees fan & I know who Ruth, DiMaggio, Berra are

Hanging out with Obama . Everyone wants to hang out with him he has most of Hollywood and in the music industry slobbering over his every mood.

The days of cerebral politicians are over, Its all about celebrity status look at 2 big examples. Palin and Obama

You don't see the gigantic difference between Palin and Obama?

[Serpico1103]

That wasn't the point. He was asked who his favorite White Sox players were and he couldnt respond. I am a lifelong Yankees fan & I know who Ruth, DiMaggio, Berra are

Hanging out with Obama . Everyone wants to hang out with him he has most of Hollywood and in the music industry slobbering over his every mood.

The days of cerebral politicians are over, Its all about celebrity status look at 2 big examples. Palin and Obama
The fact that it is important to people is a problem. There are people who would not vote for him if he said he liked cricket instead of baseball. I DONT CARE! But, people like you, yes you, let the media focus on obama's favorite sport instead of his policies. Turn it into a personality contest instead of finding the best candidate.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You don't see the gigantic difference between Palin and Obama?

Obama's not a quitter, but Palin is better looking.

Both have cultlike followings so there is a similarity between them

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The fact that it is important to people is a problem. There are people who would not vote for him if he said he liked cricket instead of baseball. I DONT CARE! But, people like you, yes you, let the media focus on obama's favorite sport instead of his policies. Turn it into a personality contest instead of finding the best candidate.

I have pointed out his policies and why I disagree with most of them. Its the media who gushes about him getting a dog or the fact that FLOTUS has perfect arms

[foodcourtdruide]

Obama's not a quitter, but Palin is better looking.

Both have cultlike followings so there is a similarity between them

But you see the GIGANTIC difference right? (hint: look at their education resume)

[Jujubees2]

That wasn't the point. He was asked who his favorite White Sox players were and he couldnt respond. I am a lifelong Yankees fan & I know who Ruth, DiMaggio, Berra are

Hanging out with Obama . Everyone wants to hang out with him he has most of Hollywood and in the music industry slobbering over his every move

The days of cerebral politicians are over, Its all about celebrity status look at 2 big examples. Palin and Obama

If you really want a highly intelligent politician you should support Ron Paul, hes about as boring as they come but a hell of a lot smarter than most of the politicians out there

Just because you agree with his views doesn't make him smarter

[WRESTLINGFAN]

But you see the GIGANTIC difference right? (hint: look at their education resume)

No one ever accused Palin of being part of MENSA. However someone going to Harvard doesnt make them the smartest person around. In my opinion in regards to the constitution Ron Paul would run circles around BHO

[Barnaby Jones]

WRESTLINGFAN, are you a professional internet poster? This dedication must take up a lot of your time.

[A.J.]

But you see the GIGANTIC difference right? (hint: look at their education resume)

Bush went to Yale and Harvard. He's the only President to have earned an MBA.

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.

[Barnaby Jones]

No one ever accused Palin of being part of MENSA. However someone going to Harvard doesnt make them the smartest person around. In my opinion in regards to the constitution Ron Paul would run circles around BHO

This stuff is gold! Don't ever stop!

[foodcourtdruide]

No one ever accused Palin of being part of MENSA. However someone going to Harvard doesnt make them the smartest person around. In my opinion in regards to the constitution Ron Paul would run circles around BHO

What's Ron Paul have to do with this? And Obama didn't just go to Harvard.

[foodcourtdruide]

Bush went to Yale and Harvard. He's the only President to have earned an MBA.

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.

I don't think you can fake being President of the Harvard Law Review and graduating magna cum laude.

[A.J.]

I don't think you can fake being President of the Harvard Law Review and graduating magna cum laude.

God knows I've tried.

[Dude!]

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.

it's 'smarter than he', genius

[A.J.]

it's 'smarter than he', genius

"He he heeeeeeee."

http://trzyzero.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/bundy1.jpg

[Serpico1103]

it's 'smarter than he', genius
Have the taxes gone up on your ivory tower?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have the taxes gone up on your ivory tower?

RACIST!!!!

Does it always have to be an ivory tower? It cant be an ebony one?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's Ron Paul have to do with this? And Obama didn't just go to Harvard.

Ted Williams arguably the greatest hitter ever but sucked as a manager. Going to Harvard and Columbia doesnt make someone the smartest person in the room

There are a lot of MBA's who worked at Lehman, Bear Stearns etc that went to Wharton and look what happened

[foodcourtdruide]

Ted Williams arguably the greatest hitter ever but sucked as a manager. Going to Harvard and Columbia doesnt make someone the smartest person in the room

There are a lot of MBA's who worked at Lehman, Bear Stearns etc that went to Wharton and look what happened

Again.............

He didn't just go to Harvard. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. I don't understand why you can't just say that's impressive and it separates him from Palin and move on.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Again.............

He didn't just go to Harvard. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. I don't understand why you can't just say that's impressive and it separates him from Palin and move on.

I said that Palin isnt a MENSA member what more do you want? I also said that shes a quitter and a half governor. I am no fan of Obama but certainly no Palin worshipper either

[RoseBlood]

Bush went to Yale and Harvard. He's the only President to have earned an MBA.

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.

it's 'smarter than he', genius

If you really want to be picky, i'd go with:
'smarter than he is'

Dude! sounds uppity.

[foodcourtdruide]

Again.............

He didn't just go to Harvard. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. I don't understand why you can't just say that's impressive and it separates him from Palin and move on.

To get a sense of how impressive this is, read this:

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/02/06/us/first-black-elected-to-head-harvard-s-law-review.html?pagewanted=1

[foodcourtdruide]

I said that Palin isnt a MENSA member what more do you want? I also said that shes a quitter and a half governor. I am no fan of Obama but certainly no Palin worshipper either

Ok.

[Jujubees2]

Again.............

He didn't just go to Harvard. He was President of the Harvard Law Review and graduated magna cum laude. I don't understand why you can't just say that's impressive and it separates him from Palin and move on.

yeah but I heard that Obama is a Muslim and he wasn't even born in this country!

[Serpico1103]

Ted Williams arguably the greatest hitter ever but sucked as a manager. Going to Harvard and Columbia doesnt make someone the smartest person in the room

There are a lot of MBA's who worked at Lehman, Bear Stearns etc that went to Wharton and look what happened
Horrible logic. No one has said that obama is the smartest guy in the room. But, graduating harvard near the top of your class says that in most rooms you will be the smartest guy. You will have a better grasp of the law, write better, and speak better than 99.9 percent of people in any room.
Is being smart the only criteria? No. Is it a flaw, as the right wing portrays it, no.

[StanUpshaw]

Bush went to Yale and Harvard. He's the only President to have earned an MBA.

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.

it's 'smarter than he', genius

If you really want to be picky, i'd go with:
'smarter than he is'

Dude! sounds uppity.

Both "he" and "he is" are correct according to the "rules". But I'm the first one to say that language is defined by usage, and I think damn near everyone nowadays uses "him" and "he is" interchangeably, so let's just call it a draw.

http://imgur.com/l3fcW.png

[Dude!]

Dude! sounds uppity.

racist

[Serpico1103]

RACIST!!!!

Does it always have to be an ivory tower? It cant be an ebony one?

racist

Collective psychosis?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Collective psychosis?

Will you be the one burning the cross tonight?

[Serpico1103]

Will you be the one burning the cross tonight?

Are you still beating your wife?

[Crispy123]

I have pointed out his policies and why I disagree with most of them. Its the media who gushes about him getting a dog or the fact that FLOTUS has perfect arms

The media does this to every Presidential family. It's news. Or what passes as news to the masses.

I do have to give you points for at least not saying the "liberal" media.

[high fly]

Bush went to Yale and Harvard. He's the only President to have earned an MBA.

I'm pretty sure I'm still smarter than him.



it's not even close...

[high fly]

The media does this to every Presidential family. It's news. Or what passes as news to the masses.

I do have to give you points for at least not saying the "liberal" media.

Indeed they do.
It's not just the news media, either. The pundits spend a great deal of time on more personal matters. That Laura Ingraham has a sick obsession with Michelle Obama.... maybe it is the fact her children have a father figure in the house......

[Bob Impact]

The media does this to every Presidential family. It's news. Or what passes as news to the masses.

I do have to give you points for at least not saying the "liberal" media.

This. Seriously.

[scottinnj]

Yes, he is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BHO Puttin the "G" in the G 20


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Media/20-summit-grants-obama-face-time/story?id=11013839

[Dude!]

BHO Puttin the "G" in the G 20

"G" being for Golf

Or is it for "Gulf"
which Obama continues
to ignore

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"G" being for Golf

Or is it for "Gulf"
which Obama continues
to ignore

After receiving $1,000,000 from BP it can be short for Barrys Peeps

[Barnaby Jones]

"G" being for Golf

Or is it for "Gulf"
which Obama continues
to ignore

It's weird how you never bother to explain how he's "ignoring" the spill.

[Syd]

It's weird how you never bother to explain how he's "ignoring" the spill.

the talking heads on TV are telling him that Obama is ignoring the spill

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Afghanistan is a clusterfuck, the Gulf is in ruins. Waiting for Michael Moore to do a documentary showing Hussein playing Golf

Special Comment by the number one Obama asskisser Olbermann? Dont think so

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"G" being for Golf

Or is it for "Gulf"
which Obama continues
to ignore

BHO doesnt care about white fishermen

[scottinnj]

Yes, he is.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buck Ofama !!!!!

[hanso]

After receiving $1,000,000 from BP it can be short for Barrys Peeps

BP has donated $1000000 to assist fishermen along the coast of the Gulf Of Mexico.

Sure that's the same. Fox wouldn't even spin that shit so much.

[PapaBear]

BP has donated $1000000 to assist fishermen along the coast of the Gulf Of Mexico.

Sure that's the same. Fox wouldn't even spin that shit so much.
I'm not following the conversation, but I just wanted to point something out about this post. BP isn't "donating" money to assist fishermen. They are paying for their fuck up.

[conman823]

I'm not following the conversation, but I just wanted to point something out about this post. BP isn't "donating" money to assist fishermen. They are paying for their fuck up.

I'm not following it either but every time I look at a thread in here it's more about Fox or Olberman then the actual core topic

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!!!


http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/y/3/2/marie-antoinette-obama.jpg




http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100050002/the-obama-presidency-increasingly-resembles-a-modern-day-ancien-regime-extravagant-and-out-of-touch-with-ordinary-people/

[Syd]

a) marie antoinette never said that

b) you'd figure the conservatives would appreciate the anciens regime more -- heavily Christian, leader anointed by God, massive wars of conquest and they went out of their way to kill people of different religions

c) the obvious thing would also be that the French monarchy failed in large part to its support to the American revolution (though previous continental wars certainly left France in shambles)

[Serpico1103]

Wouldn't it be socialism to give them bread?

Oh you silly outsiders.

[Barnaby Jones]

http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_Business/3_GM_EARNS.sff.jpg

[Barnaby Jones]

2001 tax cuts vs. what's currently being proposed:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2010/08/11/GR2010081106717.gif

[Crispy123]

http://media.npr.org/images/ap//AP_News_Wire:_Business/3_GM_EARNS.sff.jpg

Pure evil, unadulterated Socialism!!!

[conman823]

Those profits will help the new GM Plant opening in Mexico.

[hanso]

And the GOP won't vote on a bill to close a loophole for that sort of thing.

[tileslinger]

I love this quote from President Obama.

Our capacity to show not merely tolerance, but respect to those who are different from us — a way of life that stands in stark contrast to the nihilism of those who attacked us on that September morning, and who continue to plot against us today

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_ground_zero_mosque_obama

[conman823]

Damn those nihilist's for making us believe it was radical Muslims!

[scottinnj]

Yes, he is.

[Morken]

The President's rhetoric on tax cuts shows an utter lack of understanding of economics. Like so many other things, the President keeps putting us in categories and keeps wanting us to remain divided. On this subject, he is putting the rich vs the middle class and poor.

Rich people in today's American = Many small business owners
Rich people = Job providers

Most people have their job because of a rich person.

Rich people don't simply keep every cent they make under their bed, never to be touched again. They spread their wealth and support the economy.

The President wanting to extend tax cuts only to the middle class, is a cheap ploy to win over support.

[Dudeman]

The President's rhetoric on tax cuts shows an utter lack of understanding of economics. Like so many other things, the President keeps putting us in categories and keeps wanting us to remain divided. On this subject, he is putting the rich vs the middle class and poor.

Rich people in today's American = Many small business owners
Rich people = Job providers

Most people have their job because of a rich person.

Rich people don't simply keep every cent they make under their bed, never to be touched again. They spread their wealth and support the economy.

The President wanting to extend tax cuts only to the middle class, is a cheap ploy to win over support.
http://technicalanalysisblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/trickle-down-economics.jpg

[Morken]

Every time the President doesn't get one of his agenda's through, we hear him blast Republicans for playing "partisan politics".

Funny, I never hear the President mention partisan politics when every Democrat votes his way. Under the President's definition, partisan politics only occurs when the opposing side collectively votes against him, not when his group collectively votes with him.

[Dudeman]

Every time the President doesn't get one of his agenda's through, we hear him blast Republicans for playing "partisan politics".

Funny, I never hear the President mention partisan politics when every Democrat votes his way. Under the President's definition, partisan politics only occurs when the opposing side collectively votes against him, not when his group collectively votes with him.

maybe thats because when a president sees the opposing party vote against him, he feels that they do so, in some cases, just to oppose his agenda. however, when his party votes with him, he feels they do so because they actually support the specifics of the bill in question.

[Morken]

maybe thats because when a president sees the opposing party vote against him, he feels that they do so, in some cases, just to oppose his agenda. however, when his party votes with him, he feels they do so because they actually support the specifics of the bill in question. How very partisan of you!

When it's your side, they do it because they care...

The other side does it out of spite...

Thanks for providing the definition of "partisan politics" for us all!

[Dudeman]

How very partisan of you!

When it's your side, they do it because they care...

The other side does it out of spite...

Thanks for providing the definition of "partisan politics" for us all!

maybe, but sometimes its the reality

[TripleSkeet]

How very partisan of you!

When it's your side, they do it because they care...

The other side does it out of spite...

Thanks for providing the definition of "partisan politics" for us all!

You cant vote with someone out of spite you fucking moron.

Now if there was a republican president and the Dems kept unanimously voting down EVERY idea he had to try and make this country better...like...I dont know...let me make something up...say a bill to give free healthcare to 9/11 volunteers...ya know, something crazy that no rational human being could ever vote against...THEN you could accuse them of the same thing.

[Furtherman]

The President's rhetoric on tax cuts shows an utter lack of understanding of economics. Like so many other things, the President keeps putting us in categories and keeps wanting us to remain divided. On this subject, he is putting the rich vs the middle class and poor.

Rich people in today's American = Many small business owners
Rich people = Job providers

Most people have their job because of a rich person.

Rich people don't simply keep every cent they make under their bed, never to be touched again. They spread their wealth and support the economy.

The President wanting to extend tax cuts only to the middle class, is a cheap ploy to win over support.

This kind of thinking is a huge part of the problem. It doesn't apply to all "rich" people.

[Serpico1103]

The President's rhetoric on tax cuts shows an utter lack of understanding of economics. Like so many other things, the President keeps putting us in categories and keeps wanting us to remain divided. On this subject, he is putting the rich vs the middle class and poor.

Rich people in today's American = Many small business owners
Rich people = Job providers

Most people have their job because of a rich person.

Rich people don't simply keep every cent they make under their bed, never to be touched again. They spread their wealth and support the economy.

The President wanting to extend tax cuts only to the middle class, is a cheap ploy to win over support.

and your conclusion is "rich people paying less taxes = solution to unemployment issue."

Wow, so simple, how did we miss it?

There is no correlation between tax rates and job growth. That is a historical fact.

[Syd]

The President's rhetoric on tax cuts shows an utter lack of understanding of economics. Like so many other things, the President keeps putting us in categories and keeps wanting us to remain divided. On this subject, he is putting the rich vs the middle class and poor.

Rich people in today's American = Many small business owners
Rich people = Job providers

Most people have their job because of a rich person.

Rich people don't simply keep every cent they make under their bed, never to be touched again. They spread their wealth and support the economy.

The President wanting to extend tax cuts only to the middle class, is a cheap ploy to win over support.

Do rich people shop for local goods? No, the money goes overseas to Embraer or Maybach or to some other foreign entity. The money simply passes from one company and eventually leaves the country. No product has time and labor added to it to increase its value from the raw components. Reaganomics would only theoretically work in a developing country that still had abundant resources.

The reality of it, however, is that taxes are high to force an underclass and to create opportunities through war and other foreign policies. Neoliberalist policies aren't cheap when we're, or we were, subduing entire continents.

Keep the taxes on the top .5% high, they're the ones who benefit from the spending the most. Might as well keep us from going too far in debt over it. That is unless, of course, you plan on doing something about 50% of the budget going to bullshit war toys.

[Morken]

You cant vote with someone out of spite you fucking moron.

Now if there was a republican president and the Dems kept unanimously voting down EVERY idea he had to try and make this country better...like...I dont know...let me make something up...say a bill to give free healthcare to 9/11 volunteers...ya know, something crazy that no rational human being could ever vote against...THEN you could accuse them of the same thing. Obviously you don't understand the definition of "partisan politics"...you are obviously a novice to politics in general. Partisan politics isn't about "spite"...it's about an unwillingness to be fair in views that differ from your own. Hence, voting with someone just because they are on your team is "partisan politics".

[Morken]

and your conclusion is "rich people paying less taxes = solution to unemployment issue."

Wow, so simple, how did we miss it?

There is no correlation between tax rates and job growth. That is a historical fact. Who said that?

The simple point is to stop putting Rich vs Poor...stop demonizing people for being sucessful...because those people carry the economy!

Raising taxes in a down economy makes no sense!

[Morken]

Name all the jobs that poor/middle class people provide? Exactly!

Rich people provide jobs! In today's American...by the definition of "rich", rich people are small business owners.

This hatred for the rich is rooted in jelousy...how petty!

[TripleSkeet]

Obviously you don't understand the definition of "partisan politics"...you are obviously a novice to politics in general. Partisan politics isn't about "spite"...it's about an unwillingness to be fair in views that differ from your own. Hence, voting with someone just because they are on your team is "partisan politics".

Way to ignore the fucking point. Explain to me how any republican could vote against that 9/11 bill for any other reason besides trying to make Obama look bad or shut the fuck up.

[underdog]

Name all the jobs that poor/middle class people provide? Exactly!

Rich people provide jobs! In today's American...by the definition of "rich", rich people are small business owners.

This hatred for the rich is rooted in jelousy...how petty!

You're changing the definition of rich to suit your argument.

Small business owners are not rich.

[PapaBear]

You're changing the definition of rich to suit your argument.

Small business owners are not rich.
Exactly! My boss is hanging on by a thread, and he employs at least 30 people.

[underdog]

Exactly! My boss is hanging on by a thread, and he employs at least 30 people.

Most small business owners are hanging on by a thread. Saying all small business owners are rich is retarded.

[StanUpshaw]

I'm not sure exactly what we should do, but whatever action is taken, it ought to be drastic and backed up with a lot of emotional rhetoric.

[underdog]

I'm not sure exactly what we should do, but whatever action is taken, it ought to be drastic and backed up with a lot of emotional rhetoric.

Who are you talking to?

[StanUpshaw]

The nation.

[weekapaugjz]

nevermind. i'm neither funny nor clever.

[StanUpshaw]

of Islam?

of Domination

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[Bob Impact]

ITT: People have no idea what size a small business is.
http://www.sba.gov/contractingopportunities/officials/size/summaryofssi/index.html

Construction
* General building and heavy construction contractors: $33.5 million
* Special trade construction contractors: $14 million
* Land subdivision: $7 million
* Dredging: $20 million

Manufacturing
* About 75 percent of the manufacturing industries: 500 employees
* A small number of industries: 1,500 employees
* The balance: either 750 or 1,000 employees

Mining
* All mining industries, except mining services: 500 employees

Retail Trade
* Most retail trade industries: $7 million
* A few (such as grocery stores, department stores, motor vehicle dealers and electrical appliance dealers), have higher size standards, but none above $35.5 million.

Services
* Most common: $7 million
* Computer programming, data processing and systems design: $25 million
* Engineering and architectural services and a few other industries have different size standards.
* The highest annual-receipts size standard in any service industry: $35.5 million
* Research and development and environmental remediation services: the only service industries with size standards stated in number of employees

[Syd]

Name all the jobs that poor/middle class people provide? Exactly!

Rich people provide jobs! In today's American...by the definition of "rich", rich people are small business owners.

This hatred for the rich is rooted in jelousy...how petty!

How do the businesses provide jobs sell anything if people are unemployed?

It isn't hatred of the rich, it is called being fair. Rich take up more social resources and are obligated to pay back into it. From trivial things like requiring marginally more police in an area to keep it appearing safe to consumers to major things such as requiring a certain number of the population to be unemployed, businesses have an impact that they should pay for.

The more money you make, the more you take away from society. All the cliches that conservatives like to throw around doesn't take away from the fact that there will be more resources used by you to contribute to your success.

[midwestjeff]

nevermind. i'm neither funny nor clever.

Oh, come on sunshine, don't be so hard on yourself.

[Bob Impact]

How do the businesses provide jobs sell anything if people are unemployed?

It isn't hatred of the rich, it is called being fair. Rich take up more social resources and are obligated to pay back into it. From trivial things like requiring marginally more police in an area to keep it appearing safe to consumers to major things such as requiring a certain number of the population to be unemployed, businesses have an impact that they should pay for.

The more money you make, the more you take away from society. All the cliches that conservatives like to throw around doesn't take away from the fact that there will be more resources used by you to contribute to your success.

This is literally the most retarded thing I have ever read, I'm just going to assume you're trolling.

[Dudeman]

How do the businesses provide jobs sell anything if people are unemployed?

It isn't hatred of the rich, it is called being fair. Rich take up more social resources and are obligated to pay back into it. From trivial things like requiring marginally more police in an area to keep it appearing safe to consumers to major things such as requiring a certain number of the population to be unemployed, businesses have an impact that they should pay for.

The more money you make, the more you take away from society. All the cliches that conservatives like to throw around doesn't take away from the fact that there will be more resources used by you to contribute to your success.

While i think their may be additional reasons to support the ideas you are presenting here, and i may phase it in a slightly different manner than you have, i would still have to say, in contrast to the poster above me, that i agree with the general principles you have raised in your post.

[badmonkey]

How do the businesses provide jobs sell anything if people are unemployed?

It isn't hatred of the rich, it is called being fair. Rich take up more social resources and are obligated to pay back into it. From trivial things like requiring marginally more police in an area to keep it appearing safe to consumers to major things such as requiring a certain number of the population to be unemployed, businesses have an impact that they should pay for.

The more money you make, the more you take away from society. All the cliches that conservatives like to throw around doesn't take away from the fact that there will be more resources used by you to contribute to your success.

Lucky for those rich bastards they get all these resources for free and don't actually have to pay for them like the rest of us poor people. It's just not fair.

[StanUpshaw]

http://imgur.com/hJDiH.gif Keynesian transmogrifier.

[Syd]

While i think their may be additional reasons to support the ideas you are presenting here, and i may phase it in a slightly different manner than you have, i would still have to say, in contrast to the poster above me, that i agree with the general principles you have raised in your post.

Why should the rich pay more?
Some say, for the same reason reason John Dillinger robbed banks: because that's where the money is. There is some logic to that, the richest 2% control in the ballpark of 40% of the private wealth in the USA. Others say; "Because they can afford it." Others who complain about progressive taxes say it's because people want "revenge on the rich", or it's "class envy". Or they say, "Why should the successful people be penalized?" That is an interesting take on reality.

But there is one argument that is not often seen, the "follow the money", or follow the tax money argument. Simply put, it says you get what you pay for. It says that if you eat a gourmet meal, you have purchased an entire different meal (not just more of it) than for a McDonald's Happy Meal. We claim that progressive taxes buys Rich Boy toys, regressive taxes buy Poor Boy toys. We say fair is fair. To test this idea, we follow the tax money.

Progressive taxes (such as income taxes) pay mostly for Rich Boy toys: Desert Storm, Cold War, gunboat diplomacy, the Fed's infinite labor pool (WANTED: unemployment) and any related poverty, NAFTA, GAT, free trade agreements, interstate freeways, National Parks, FBI, CIA, a hot-shot standing military, etc. And regressive taxes: (mostly local sales taxes and fees) go for Poor Boy toys: local roads, hospitals, schools, local parks, libraries, cops, city/county councils, fire fighting, etc.

If "toys" sounds too flippant, feel free to swap with a term that rings true for you, such as "tools of the trade", or "economic infrastructures."

To oversimplify a bit, a carpenter does not require the Rich Boy toys, and the CEO of GM does not require the Poor Boy toys. And progressive (mostly federal income) taxes soak the rich, regressive (mostly local sales) taxes soak the poor.

So each Boy is largely paying for his own meal.

better explanation I guess

[Bob Impact]

better explanation I guess

Slightly, it's still based on horrendously childlike logic.

[Syd]

On your part? Definitely.

[epo]

Slightly, it's still based on horrendously childlike logic.

Sort of like the logic of trickle-down economics?

[Serpico1103]

Best ever. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-recession-over-20100921,0,2428295.story)

[scottinnj]

Best ever. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-recession-over-20100921,0,2428295.story)

I always knew you were a "glass half full" guy.

[epo]

Best ever. (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-recession-over-20100921,0,2428295.story)

The problem is that jobs are always the lagging indicator in an economic downturn. So if the GOP gets any power back this fall, the son of bitches who caused it will gain power because of it.

How's that for Murphy's Law?

[Dude!]

How's that for Murphy's Law?

pretty good

Obama is the "Peter Principle",
but exponentially

[Serpico1103]

The problem is that jobs are always the lagging indicator in an economic downturn. So if the GOP gets any power back this fall, the son of bitches who caused it will gain power because of it.

How's that for Murphy's Law?

I knew our savior would save us with socialism. Now, if the corporate media would stop focusing on unemployment, foreclosures, consumer spending, we will be fine.

[Serpico1103]

How's that for Murphy's Law?

pretty good

Obama is the "Peter Principle."


How about the Peter Murphy Theory? Goth and Islam is musical bliss.

[epo]

How about the Peter Murphy Theory? Goth and Islam is musical bliss.

Alanis would call that ironic.

[Jujubees2]

Alanis would call that ironic.

Don't you think?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Recession over.....

Depression is here


http://www.youtube.com/user/geraldcelentechannel?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/0/VTcD75pXqe4

[Willmore]

Recession over.....

Depression is here


http://www.youtube.com/user/geraldcelentechannel?blend=1&ob=4#p/u/0/VTcD75pXqe4

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Do you know what RT is? It's Russia's English-language propaganda network.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Do you know what RT is? It's Russia's English-language propaganda network.

Do you know who people like Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff are? As long as you are being spoonfed the Administrations propaganda from Larry Kudlow and the rest of the hacks at CNBC youre fine with that

[Barnaby Jones]

Do you know who people like Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff are? As long as you are being spoonfed the Administrations propaganda from Larry Kudlow and the rest of the hacks at CNBC youre fine with that

WF seriously drops those names like he thinks they're good sources! You do realize Celente is a Glenn Beck-level loon, right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF seriously drops those names like he thinks they're good sources! You do realize Celente is a Glenn Beck-level loon, right?

Amazing how everything gets tied back to Fox news. The President sucks at bowling its Fox news. People like Celente and Schiff predicted this mess and everyone shrugged them off.

Keep listening to the parrots on CNBC.


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[Syd]

The GDP doesn't increase during a depression.

[Dude!]

The GDP doesn't increase during a depression.

please...
like the govt isn't
fudging the numbers

your naivete is adorable

[Barnaby Jones]

Amazing how everything gets tied back to Fox news. The President sucks at bowling its Fox news. People like Celente and Schiff predicted this mess and everyone shrugged them off.

Keep listening to the parrots on CNBC.


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Blind nut, squirrel, etc., etc.. Keep ignoring the alarmist, psychotic bullshit they also spew that far outweighs all the times they were "right." With the wasteland of the 24-hour news cycle you can find someone who was "right" about every single heavily covered/debated issue! The fact that you think that television news backs you up is sad!

[Willmore]

A story about Russia Today, since WF was so kind as to post a link to one of its stories:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-today-tomorrow--the-world-2083869.html

Full disclosure: Yes, The independent is a left-wing socialist agenda news source run by a Russian oligarch, but I figure it's still a better news source than RT, plus they mirror my views on the issue.

[Syd]

please...
like the govt isn't
fudging the numbers

your naivete is adorable

Are we even in a recession now? I'm making more money than ever. I guess there isn't one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Are we even in a recession now? I'm making more money than ever. I guess there isn't one.

You must be one of those people who make those forclosure/bank owned signs

[StanUpshaw]

Nine new Sheriff's sales in our paper this week.

[Jujubees2]

From Obama, the Tax Cut Nobody Heard Of (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/19/us/politics/19taxes.html?_r=1&no_interstitial)

[angrytruckingguy]

wow, literally pennies per week.

[Bob Impact]

wow, literally pennies per week.

a million a week would also be literally pennies per week. I still don't see why they didn't just send out rebate checks. Getting a check for 400 makes people much more inclined to spend it on whatever they want vs a couple of bucks every week

[Dudeman]

Sotomayor and Kagan are better than Alito and Roberts

[Dude!]

Sotomayor and Kagan are better than Alito and Roberts

if you are into
fat, hairy dykes

[Serpico1103]

if you are into
fat, hairy dykes

Do women play any other role in your life other than sex objects? Misogynist.

[Dude!]

Do women play any other role in your life other than sex objects?

no

i honor what god
and nature intended

[foodcourtdruide]

a million a week would also be literally pennies per week. I still don't see why they didn't just send out rebate checks. Getting a check for 400 makes people much more inclined to spend it on whatever they want vs a couple of bucks every week

Actually, I recall the last time they tried to give Americans a large sum of money to stimulate spending, it didn't actually work as intended, as a lot of people used it to pay off debt.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the GOP takes back both houses. Does Obama become Clinton and negotiate more? If theres a Bob Dole type opponent in '12 and he goes that route he could easily win a 2nd term.

[Barnaby Jones]

Yeah, negotiate with the crowd that has been going with the brilliant "if it's not our initiative it gets a big fat NO no matter what" strategy! That's gonna get a ton of shit done!

[A.J.]

If the GOP takes back both houses. Does Obama become Clinton and negotiate more? If theres a Bob Dole type opponent in '12 and he goes that route he could easily win a 2nd term.

Yeah, negotiate with the crowd that has been going with the brilliant "if it's not our initiative it gets a big fat NO no matter what" strategy! That's gonna get a ton of shit done!

He had both houses of Congress AND a clear mandate for change. So what if the GOP said no to everything? He shouldn't have needed them at all.

This is Jimmy Carter all over again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He had both houses of Congress AND a clear mandate for change. So what if the GOP said no to everything? He shouldn't have needed them at all.

This is Jimmy Carter all over again.


Barack O'Carter ?

http://alinskydefeater.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jimmy-obama.jpg

[Dude!]

Barack O'Carter ?

http://alinskydefeater.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/jimmy-obama.jpg

ha! that's great!

Carter was the only prez
who had bigger lips
than Obama

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ha! that's great!

Carter was the only prez
who had bigger lips
than Obama

One thing about Obama. Thank God theres no Obama version of this


http://www.the-forum.com/advert/images/BILLY2.JPG

[Dudeman]

One thing about Obama. Thank God theres no Obama version of this


http://www.the-forum.com/advert/images/BILLY2.JPG

or this:

This is the 1976 Maine police document recording the arrest of George W. Bush for driving under the influence of alcohol. Bush, who was 30 at the time,was popped over the Labor Day weekend near his family's Kennebunkport summer home. Bush pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor DUI charge, paid a $150 fine, and had his driving privileges briefly revoked in the state of Maine. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/george-w-bush-dui-arrest-record-0)

[A.J.]

One thing about Obama. Thank God theres no Obama version of this


http://www.the-forum.com/advert/images/BILLY2.JPG

Muslims can't make or drink beer!

[Dude!]

Muslims can't make or drink beer!

but apparently they can smoke!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

or this:

This is the 1976 Maine police document recording the arrest of George W. Bush for driving under the influence of alcohol. Bush, who was 30 at the time,was popped over the Labor Day weekend near his family's Kennebunkport summer home. Bush pleaded guilty to the misdemeanor DUI charge, paid a $150 fine, and had his driving privileges briefly revoked in the state of Maine. (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/george-w-bush-dui-arrest-record-0)

Speaking of road incidents in New England.


http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2009/chappaquiddick-kennedy.jpg

[Dude!]

Speaking of road incidents in New England.


http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/jan2009/chappaquiddick-kennedy.jpg


shhh.....they worship
the senator who drowned
the poor girl
and then swam off
to a pancake breakfast
at the Edgartown Inn

[WRESTLINGFAN]

shhh.....they worship
the senator who drowned
the poor girl
and then swam off
to a pancake breakfast
at the Edgartown Inn

Ironic that he would have pets that are Portuguese water dogs.

[Barnaby Jones]

Guess you guys must hate Laura Bush, too!

[Serpico1103]

shhh.....they worship
the senator who drowned
the poor girl
and then swam off
to a pancake breakfast
at the Edgartown Inn

Guess you guys must hate Laura Bush, too!

Do you realize how far they went to bring Chappaquiddick into the thread? If the style of Dude's posts doesn't give you reason not to respond, certainly the substance should give you pause. As for WF, he seems less a character and more a lazy one trick pony.

[Dude!]

Do you realize how far they went to bring Chappaquiddick into the thread? If the style of Dude's posts doesn't give you reason not to respond, certainly the substance should give you pause..

sorry if i don't approve
of murdering young girls

ps: you respond to my posts
all the time

practice what you preach

[Recyclerz]

Success in Routing Taliban Proves Far-Sighted Leadership of President George W. Bush! (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/21/world/asia/21kandahar.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=world)

Oh wait, the Kenyan is Commander-in-Chief. Change that headline to "Muslim 'President' Schemes with Co-Religionists to Fool American People Once Again."

[Serpico1103]

sorry if i ... approve
of murdering young girls

ps: ... respond to my posts
all the time

... preach

Who do you approve of murdering? I know your posts are meant as jokes and I take them as such. You never add anything, you never engage honestly.

[A.J.]

but apparently they can smoke!

You know, I always wondered if The Prophet smoked.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The prophet loved his girls young.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

[high fly]

sorry if i don't approve
of murdering young girls

You must really get pissed off when a pack of lies is told that gets over 4,400 Americans killed, then....

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.obamafailblog.net/

[Furtherman]

http://www.obamafailblog.net/

Oh come on, you're not even trying. Unless you're trying to compare TMZ with The Wall Street Journal.

[Jujubees2]

The prophet loved his girls young.


http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

Who doesn't?

[CurseoftheBambi]

http://www.obamafailblog.net/

oh so no acknowledgement of what he has done...way to go.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

oh so no acknowledgement of what he has done...way to go.

Yes the acknowledgement was last night and the streets are littered with donkey corpses.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Yes the acknowledgement was last night and the streets are littered with donkey corpses.

yeah cause morons beileved the lies and half truths...after all they liked Sharon Angle. But ok pookie...let's see what the republicans are gonna do for you...:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yeah cause morons beileved the lies and half truths...after all they liked Sharon Angle. But ok pookie...let's see what the republicans are gonna do for you...:clap:

I will say it again!!! I said it would be business as usual. troops are still going to be deployed in every corner of the globe, warrantless wiretaps still going on, patriot act will be renewed, the 16th ammendment will not be repealed. Useless bureaucracies will remain in tact and the Pentagons budget will continued to be bloated

[angrymissy]

Actually, I recall the last time they tried to give Americans a large sum of money to stimulate spending, it didn't actually work as intended, as a lot of people used it to pay off debt.

I spent it on video games. People should follow my lead. Missy in 2012.

[CurseoftheBambi]

if its going to be the same as usual then:wub: what the f are you gloating about then?

[A.J.]

Missy in 2012.

If you promise to bring back good ol' athiest values, you've got my vote.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If you promise to bring back good ol' athiest values, you've got my vote.

Change we all can "BELIEVE" in :clap:

[angrytruckingguy]

I will say it again!!! I said it would be business as usual. troops are still going to be deployed in every corner of the globe, warrantless wiretaps still going on, patriot act will be renewed, the 16th ammendment will not be repealed. Useless bureaucracies will remain in tact and the Pentagons budget will continued to be bloated

at least the 2nd amendment is safe

[Serpico1103]

at least the 2nd amendment is safe

When wasn't it?
Hopefully you stockpiled a weapons cache just in case.

[angrytruckingguy]

When wasn't it?
Hopefully you stockpiled a weapons cache just in case.

I recall several politicians mouthing off once Obama was elected. Something to the tune of: we have the presidency, control of the house, and senate, things are going to start happening now. With heavy hints toward 'GUN CONTROL'. Now, I know it could never happen, but the folks who were all excited about 'taking all the bad guns away from all the bad men' just got kicked in the nuts.

[foodcourtdruide]

I recall several politicians mouthing off once Obama was elected. Something to the tune of: we have the presidency, control of the house, and senate, things are going to start happening now. With heavy hints toward 'GUN CONTROL'. Now, I know it could never happen, but the folks who were all excited about 'taking all the bad guns away from all the bad men' just got kicked in the nuts.

Yeah, that's an incredibly small portion of the country. While things like owning semi-automatic weapons or handguns in cities may have been in danger, even if the house, senate and presidency were 100% democrat guns would not become illegal.

[Serpico1103]

I recall several politicians mouthing off once Obama was elected. Something to the tune of: we have the presidency, control of the house, and senate, things are going to start happening now. With heavy hints toward 'GUN CONTROL'. Now, I know it could never happen, but the folks who were all excited about 'taking all the bad guns away from all the bad men' just got kicked in the nuts.

There is Gun Control now. On every level of government; state, federal, city.

Yeah, that's an incredibly small portion of the country. While things like owning semi-automatic weapons or handguns in cities may have been in danger, even if the house, senate and presidency were 100% democrat guns would not become illegal.

Even if new laws were passed, that actually encroached on your ability to "bear arms", the Supreme Court has ruled favorable for the NRA recently.
Just another tool, like abortion and gay rights, used to excite the right's base.

[Dudeman]

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

[Dude!]

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

wow, he gave more money away
he is such a great leader

[Dudeman]

The right always likes to talk about how America is the greatest country ever, yet they don't recognize that things like funding our researchers (the good ones usually being in blue states) are the types of things that allow the US to be "great". (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/business/04research.html?ref=science)

[Furtherman]

The right always likes to talk about how America is the greatest country ever, yet they don't recognize that things like funding our researchers (the good ones usually being in blue states) are the types of things that allow the US to be "great". (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/business/04research.html?ref=science)

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For the State Dinner last year for the Indian PM the menu was mostly vegan and Indian cuisine. W catered to their needs.

I want our president to be chowin down on some nice filet mignons.

[Dudeman]

The right always likes to talk about how America is the greatest country ever, yet they don't recognize that things like funding our researchers (the good ones usually being in blue states) are the types of things that allow the US to be "great". (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/business/04research.html?ref=science)

I wonder if rand wants to chop the NIH

[A.J.]

For the State Dinner last year for the Indian PM the menu was mostly vegan and Indian cuisine. W catered to their needs.

I want our president to be chowin down on some nice filet mignons.

It was Obama's first State Dinner, not W's. Remember: it was the one those two attention whores crashed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It was Obama's first State Dinner, not W's. Remember: it was the one those two attention whores crashed.

What if the Indian version of the Salehis walk in dressing like Teabaggers ? :lol:

[Recyclerz]

Warren Buffet says Thanks! on behalf of all of us. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html?_r=1&hp)


You could have done this before the elections, WB. And maybe given everybody $5 for voting for the good guys.

Just saying.

[Barnaby Jones]

House Republicans are going on Fox News today saying they wouldn't meet with the president because he "ambushed" them last year. Not so:

That's the Story? (#GalacticFail Edition)
Josh Marshall | November 17, 2010, 12:15AM

The Politico has a story up tonight about how and why the bipartisan, everybody-get-along summit between President Obama and congressional Republicans ended up getting postponed. And a key part of it, according to Hill Republicans, is the GOP's distrust of Obama after he "crashed" their caucus retreat last January. You'll remember, this is when President Obama went and spoke at the House GOP retreat in Maryland and actually took pretty free-ranging questions from House Republicans -- somewhat akin to 'Question Time' in the UK parliament. (See video of the event here.)

Now, because I think it's essential to understand the point, I'm going to quote the first three grafs of the piece in full.

The roots of the partisan standoff that led to the postponement of the bipartisan White House summit scheduled for Thursday date back to January, when President Barack Obama crashed a GOP meeting in Baltimore to deliver a humiliating rebuke of House Republicans.
Obama's last-minute decision to address the House GOP retreat - and the one-sided televised presidential lecture many Republicans decried as a political ambush - has left a lingering distrust of Obama invitations and a wariness about accommodating every scheduling request emanating from the West Wing, aides tell POLITICO.

"He has a ways to go to rebuild the trust," said a top Republican Hill staffer. "The Baltimore thing was unbelievable. There were [House Republicans] who only knew Obama was coming when they saw Secret Service guys scouting out the place."

Honestly, I'm not even sure what to make of this. Not only does this version of events seem preposterous on its face, I didn't even realize this was their storyline.

Let's start with this whole idea that Obama somehow just showed up and blew up their retreat. Crashed, ambushed, etc. This was definitely not my recollection. I thought that the House Republicans invited Obama. And he accepted. Indeed, I remember for what I think were several days in advance our Eric Kleefeld telling me how excited he was to see a US equivalent of the Brits' question time.

So was it an ambush? Well, My God, not even close. Here's the press release from Mike Pence, Chairman of the House Republican Conference, thanking the president on January 13th for "accept[ing] our invitation to meet with the Republican Conference later this month." And here's the Politico's write up from January 12th, the day before. In other words, that's more than two weeks before these House Republicans who must have spent the month in a sensory deprivation chamber were stunned to see the president's motorcade driving up unannounced to crash their party. And if they'd forgotten here's the write-up from The Hill the day before the event ...

Emboldened by an unexpected victory in Massachusetts and frustrated with a "partisan" State of the Union address, House Republicans are eager to meet with President Barack Obama on Friday.
So here they are all gunned up and eagerly awaiting President Obama's ambush of them that they didn't know anything about.

I have to confess that I find it genuinely distressing that these folks can whip up a heap of blatant nonsense like this and it gets played pretty much at face value when a simple look through the archives of the half dozen or more sites that cover Washington show that the whole idea is laughable.

I'm sure different people have different recollections of what happened during that meeting. But President Obama was accepting the House GOP's invitation. At the time everyone thought the idea of the meeting was an interesting novel idea, even with the president taking questions. It was clear that for the House GOP this was inviting the president to meet them on their turf rather than at the White House where opposition leaders are always put in a somewhat diminished position just because of the trappings of the place. And by the time the event rolled around, Scott Brown had won the Massachusetts Senate race. So, as The Hill put it, the House Republicans were "eager" to meet with the president.

Only it didn't work out according to plan. The president came, talked, took questions. And with the president there making his own arguments it was much more difficult for folks like Pence and others to claim, unrebutted, that Health Care Reform was going to cost $50 trillion, enforce mandatory castration and have one out of five grannies ritually slaughtered on a stone slab the bend the cost curve for longterm care. Put simply, the Republicans came off looking kind of stupid, unable to make their arguments when the president was there to point out the holes in their arguments. In this case, I was sympathetic to the president and to reform. So I'm sure people who didn't share those sympathies saw the whole encounter differently. But House Republicans' reaction then and now suggests they saw it pretty much as I did -- that the president embarrassed them. Not by crashing the event, or ambushing them. But just because he did better at it than they thought he would and they didn't do well at all. They invited him to make him look diminished. But he ended up making them look unserious and unprepared because they weren't able to respond when he pointed out the holes in their arguments.

All of which means that this whole storyline of the president wrongfooting them or showing up uninvited is made up out of whole cloth. And the real story is that they're not confident it won't happen again if they have some sort of public encounter with him.

This whole episode, this made up story, is embarrassing.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/thats_the_story_galacticfail_edition.php#more

Riiiiiii-god-damn-diculous!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Warren Buffet says Thanks! on behalf of all of us. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html?_r=1&hp)


You could have done this before the elections, WB. And maybe given everybody $5 for voting for the good guys.

Just saying.


"And though I never voted for George W. Bush, I give him great credit for leading, even as Congress postured and squabbled."

Must be painful to read

[Barnaby Jones]

He's complimenting him for doing the thing that drives YOU insane and one of the few good things people like us give him credit for doing!!! BA-BOOM!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buffett is a great investor. He doesn't take tax shelters but he is slobbering over Uncle Sam because..........


He is one of the biggest investors in Goldman. Goldman got 13 billion dollars thru TARP. He's happy that he made a profit. Great for him, but spare the fucking violins.

Sure TARP was paid back. It had to be when a lot of banks were FORCED into TARP.


http://www.scholarsandrogues.com/2008/11/25/banks-forced-to-take-bailout/

[Barnaby Jones]

What the fuck are you talking about?!?! He's happy because the companies didn't collapse and the economy is rebounding, you loon!!!

[Crispy123]

Its a well known fact that WB is a socialist. Id also be willing to bet all of his money that Buffet owns a Koran.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What the fuck are you talking about?!?! He's happy because the Banks didn't collapse and the economy is still in the shitter!!!

FIXED!!!!!


Economy is doing better? Just wait......


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[Barnaby Jones]

So desperate! Wanna talk about some gold to make you feel better?!?! Hee-hee!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So desperate! Wanna talk about some gold to make you feel better?!?! Hee-hee!!!!

Perhaps we should rename our President Barack Hussein Robert Mugabe Obama.


Keep listening to the spin masters on CNBC

[Barnaby Jones]

WF's stuck in a nonsense babble loop! Somebody hit reset!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF's stuck in a nonsense babble loop! Somebody hit reset!!!!

Next month our debt Ceiling will hit 100% of our GDP. But lets keep printing Obama bucks from his secret stash

[Crispy123]

Next month our debt Ceiling will hit 100% of our GDP. But lets keep printing Obama bucks from his secret stash

Silly teabagger, those would be Nixon bucks.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Silly teabagger, those would be Nixon bucks.

The teabaggers dont want be in their camp. Why dont you just say it outright and call me a NEO CON? :lol:

[Crispy123]

The teabaggers dont want be in their camp. Why dont you just say it outright and call me a NEO CON? :lol:

Actually I was referring to your support of ending DADT and prop 8. :smoke:

[Barnaby Jones]

Next month our debt Ceiling will hit 100% of our GDP. But lets keep printing Obama bucks from his secret stash

Keep spinning, o silly economics noob!!!! Did you get kicked out of the wrestling forum for being like this?!?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Keep spinning, o silly economics noob!!!! Did you get kicked out of the wrestling forum for being like this?!?

When they talk about QE2 its not about the Giant cruise ship

[Dude!]

When they talk about QE2 its not about the Giant cruise ship

ha ha...
surely you meant that
the fool you argue with here
is a real queen

[Furtherman]

Dude, enough.

[Barnaby Jones]

When they talk about QE2 its not about the Giant cruise ship

I know volatility in a global marketplace is scary, but it's OK!!! We can talk you through it!!!

[Dude!]

Dude, enough.

let me know if you get
another PM

[foodcourtdruide]

House Republicans are going on Fox News today saying they wouldn't meet with the president because he "ambushed" them last year. Not so:



http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2010/11/thats_the_story_galacticfail_edition.php#more

Riiiiiii-god-damn-diculous!!!!

Was that the one where Obama clearly pointed out to the republicans how he went out of his way to make the health care bill as bi-partisan as possible? And that while he agreed with some aspects of Tort Reform, and was willing to accept some of it into the bill, it wasn't a magical fix to our health care problems?

[Barnaby Jones]

Was that the one where Obama clearly pointed out to the republicans how he went out of his way to make the health care bill as bi-partisan as possible? And that while he agreed with some aspects of Tort Reform, and was willing to accept some of it into the bill, it wasn't a magical fix to our health care problems?

Yes it was! It's absurd that you have them attempting to paint it like he "ambushed" them when they knew he was coming all along and the talking points from the Republicans and Fox was like he was walking into a slaughter!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Warren Buffet says Thanks! on behalf of all of us. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/17/opinion/17buffett.html?_r=1&hp)


You could have done this before the elections, WB. And maybe given everybody $5 for voting for the good guys.

Just saying.

Heres a nice rebuttal to Buffett

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10925559/1/dear-warren-buffett-youre-too-polite.html

"You've got to play both sides of the divide in Washington, don't you, Warren? While thanking Ben Bernanke for his courageous leadership in the letter and then chiding him for a dubious QE2 policy on TV, you can't forget that the longer the Fed takes to rule on Goldman Sachs' plan to pay you back the $5 billion borrowed from Berkshire Hathaway, the more money you make -- $15 a second, according to estimates"
Of course, no one really thinks you'd be cozying up to Uncle Sam through your lovely thank you note just to get regulators to hem and haw over Goldman's payback schedule. For one, when you were using the media to defend Goldman Sachs during the Abacus fraud case, you said that Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein was like the brother you never had. Unless it's a Cain and Abel dynamic, it would be ridiculous to think you'd be out to bleed Goldman. It is sometimes frustrating, though, that for all the Omaha folksy wisdom, your tentacles touch so many aspects of the markets that nothing you say can ever be taken at face value. You're like the "friendly squid wrapped around the face of the markets," and the media squirts ink with every one of your doting words"

And Buffett will be getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom just annpunced a few minutes ago. Just a coincidence ?

[Barnaby Jones]

AKA the first link WF found in his desperate, sweaty search to respond to the Buffet piece!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AKA the first link WF found in his desperate, sweaty search to respond to the Buffet piece!

Amazing how you and others think Buffett is this benevolent Grandfatherly type person when in fact he's a shrewd investor , cunning and a damn good one at that

[Barnaby Jones]

Amazing how you and others think Buffett is this benevolent Grandfatherly type person

WF, please quote where anyone has said that here!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WF, please quote where anyone has said that here!!!

You probably got a hard on reading that letter

[Barnaby Jones]

Aw, tripped up yet again! It's OK, champ! Maybe one of these days you'll be able to back up these ridiculous declarations!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Aw, tripped up yet again! It's OK, champ! Maybe one of these days you'll be able to back up these ridiculous declarations!

Youre the one acting like a Queen

[Recyclerz]

Heres a nice rebuttal to Buffett

http://www.thestreet.com/story/10925559/1/dear-warren-buffett-youre-too-polite.html

"You've got to play both sides of the divide in Washington, don't you, Warren? While thanking Ben Bernanke for his courageous leadership in the letter and then chiding him for a dubious QE2 policy on TV, you can't forget that the longer the Fed takes to rule on Goldman Sachs' plan to pay you back the $5 billion borrowed from Berkshire Hathaway, the more money you make -- $15 a second, according to estimates"
Of course, no one really thinks you'd be cozying up to Uncle Sam through your lovely thank you note just to get regulators to hem and haw over Goldman's payback schedule. For one, when you were using the media to defend Goldman Sachs during the Abacus fraud case, you said that Goldman CEO Lloyd Blankfein was like the brother you never had. Unless it's a Cain and Abel dynamic, it would be ridiculous to think you'd be out to bleed Goldman. It is sometimes frustrating, though, that for all the Omaha folksy wisdom, your tentacles touch so many aspects of the markets that nothing you say can ever be taken at face value. You're like the "friendly squid wrapped around the face of the markets," and the media squirts ink with every one of your doting words"

And Buffett will be getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom just annpunced a few minutes ago. Just a coincidence ?

OK, I read The Street opinion piece and aside from one thing that I do agree with (the QE bit) I think the rest of it, like way too much of what passes for right-wing thought these days, has lots of snark and very little reasoned analysis. I do agree that the QE2 program as announced seems to have a lot more risk than reward. Throwing more money at financial institutions today to get the economy going is like trying to push something up a hill with a string and risks getting inflation going. The only reasons I can come up with that Bernanke went with this is as a signal to Congress that more fiscal stimulus (albeit only if temporary) would be a good move right about now (which ain't gonna happen) or as a thinly veiled threat to China that we're willing to get crazy and swamp the dollar if they don't let the yuan appreciate.

And to your earlier post I do give W credit for doing what was distasteful but necessary with TARP and supporting the Fed's actions in 2008. I also give him props for cozying up to India, spending money to help people with AIDS in Africa, and .... well, I guess that's about it.

[Barnaby Jones]

Youre the one acting like a Queen

Such desperation! Can't back up your claims as you what you say people are saying here so you resort to weak personal attacks! Figures that of course some like you thinks that someone being gay must be some kind of horrible insult! So pathetic!

[Bob Impact]

The only reasons I can come up with that Bernanke went with this is as a signal to Congress that more fiscal stimulus (albeit only if temporary) would be a good move right about now (which ain't gonna happen) or as a thinly veiled threat to China that we're willing to get crazy and swamp the dollar if they don't let the yuan appreciate.

Do you think we even have the option of pressuring China anymore?

[Recyclerz]

Do you think we even have the option of pressuring China anymore?

I do but it isn't sure to work and wouldn't be without consequences. China's business plan still depends on having the US as its bigget market for its exports and most of its monetary reserves are still in $ so a downward spiral would still hurt them as much as us. It is kind of like an economic mutually assured destruction model similar to the nuclear balance of power we had with the Bolsheviks. However once the middle-classes in the BRIC countries get as spendy as us China gets the real pimp hand and it happens faster if we don't get our middle- and long-term fiscal houses in order. So I think we should all keep practicing saying "Yes Sir" in Mandarin with the proper respectful tone.

[Furtherman]

Boy that GM bailout turn out to be a bust, didn't it?

[Jujubees2]

Boy that GM bailout turn out to be a bust, didn't it?

Yeah, GM should have just gone out of business and left all those workers on the street

[Dudeman]

Boy that GM bailout turn out to be a bust, didn't it?

just a link (http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/18/obama.gm/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn)

[Bob Impact]

I do but it isn't sure to work and wouldn't be without consequences. China's business plan still depends on having the US as its bigget market for its exports and most of its monetary reserves are still in $ so a downward spiral would still hurt them as much as us. It is kind of like an economic mutually assured destruction model similar to the nuclear balance of power we had with the Bolsheviks. However once the middle-classes in the BRIC countries get as spendy as us China gets the real pimp hand and it happens faster if we don't get our middle- and long-term fiscal houses in order. So I think we should all keep practicing saying "Yes Sir" in Mandarin with the proper respectful tone.

I suppose you're right, I just see the IC end of BRIC coming on way faster than people expect.

[Dudeman]

"class warfare!!!!!! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20101119/ts_yblog_theticket/millionaires-to-obama-tax-us)

[Bob Impact]

"class warfare!!!!!! (http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20101119/ts_yblog_theticket/millionaires-to-obama-tax-us)

"Hmmm, this is interesting"
*scroll to the bottom of the page*

Email: Info@AgendaProject.org

"Oh, makes sense now."

*disregard any legitimacy this could have potentially had*

[Dudeman]

"Hmmm, this is interesting"
*scroll to the bottom of the page*

Email: Info@AgendaProject.org

"Oh, makes sense now."

*disregard any legitimacy this could have potentially had*

What are you talking about???
First of all, here is the website for the individual who signed the letter:

http://fiscalstrength.com/

How does an email prove something isn't "legit"?

This isn't like Foxnews and Congresswoman Michelle Bachman spueing bullshitt about $200 million per day trips by Obama based on some random foreign website based on an annonymous source. That's is something you disregard any legitimacy for. This is just from some group you don;t like politically- that doesn't mean it isn't legit. Big difference.

[Bob Impact]

What are you talking about???
First of all, here is the website for the individual who signed the letter:

http://fiscalstrength.com/

How does an email prove something isn't "legit"?

This isn't like Foxnews and Congresswoman Michelle Bachman spueing bullshitt about $200 million per day trips by Obama based on some random foreign website based on an annonymous source. That's is something you disregard any legitimacy for. This is just from some group you don;t like politically- that doesn't mean it isn't legit. Big difference.

Not one of those things has a single thing to do with this.

I disregard the legitimacy of anything coming from the Agenda Project or Erica Payne (who is the registered owner of fiscalstrength.com). You know why I don't like her? She started a website about a group I hate more than anything else out there right now, "FuckTea.com" She adds absolutely nothing to the national discourse outside of vitriolic garbage.

So no, it's not legitimate in my eyes, and it has nothing at all to do with any of the things you try to distract with, it has to do with that group and that woman, that's it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No link yet but Obama is proposing a pay freeze for federal employees. Well done sir :clap:

[Barnaby Jones]

How fucking stupid! Why freeze everyone's pay?!?! Why not just everyone above a certain level?!? This whole "it's only fair if we come down on everyone bullshit" when it comes to wages and taxes and the like is so retarded!!!