Obama - Best President Ever?

[TheMojoPin]

Probably not, but I figure the other thread can be the one slamming everything he does, and this can be the one used when something goes right.

If ever.

[HBox]

He's so well spoken.

[IMSlacker]

Dow was up almost 500 points today. Great job on the bank rescue plan! Go Obama, go!

[Knowledged_one]

It didnt work when mlc tried this

[JerseySean]

No....nothing is going right for the President right now. No....it wont ever

[IMSlacker]

No....nothing is going right for the President right now. No....it wont ever

Also, all of the polls are wrong. You know know it for a fact. we know.

[Gvac]

He's so well spoken.

WAS.

Since taking office he's a mess.

[TheMojoPin]

WAS.

Since taking office he's a mess.

Like Gvac backpedaling with jayjay.

[Knowledged_one]

Hes better than nancy pelosi

[Foster]

Dow was up almost 500 points today. Great job on the bank rescue plan! Go Obama, go!

It didnt work when mlc tried this

mlc tried to bail out the banks?

[HBox]

mlc tried to bail out the banks?

Yeah. But now they are all so dry all of a sudden. I didn't even think that was possible.

[underdog]

He's better than the last guy.

[epo]

Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.
Created a "middle class task force".
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.
Set timetable for Iraq War end.
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban.
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead.
Lifted ban on stem cell funding

He's also been accused of doing "too much" by critics....but most of that came when he declared Gvac of ronfez.net to be "mentally unstable".

[Gvac]

Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.
Created a "middle class task force".
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.
Set timetable for Iraq War end.
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban.
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead.
Lifted ban on stem cell funding

He's also been accused of doing "too much" by critics....but most of that came when he declared Gvac of ronfez.net to be "mentally unstable".

He stinks and you know it.

In fact, I'll be shocked if he runs for reelection. He looks exhausted already.

Must be up to 4 packs a day by now.

[Knowledged_one]

He stinks and you know it.

In fact, I'll be shocked if he runs for reelection. He looks exhausted already.

Must be up to 4 packs a day by now.

epo is the fit of your earlier description

[Gvac]

epo is the fit of your earlier description

Your name is so fitting.

Bless you, K O.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I find these kinds of threads about as premature as most marriages.

[JerseySean]

[QUOTE=epo;2182274]Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.---to release prisoners into the US....GREAT!
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.---its a spending bill
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.----worst legislation EVER!
Created a "middle class task force".--Jerk off with hand signal....means nothing
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.--not one foreign policy victory, he looks weak
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.-After signing a bill which allowed all AIG bonuses
Set timetable for Iraq War end.--That always works
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban---Where's the plan?
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead---I disagree but dont feel strongly about this one
Lifted ban on stem cell funding---Fine

[epo]

Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.---to release prisoners into the US....GREAT!
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.---its a spending bill
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.----worst legislation EVER!
Created a "middle class task force".--Jerk off with hand signal....means nothing
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.--not one foreign policy victory, he looks weak
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.-After signing a bill which allowed all AIG bonuses
Set timetable for Iraq War end.--That always works
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban---Where's the plan?
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead---I disagree but dont feel strongly about this one
Lifted ban on stem cell funding---Fine

I would love to live in a world in which the republic party had an idea other than crying and yelling "NO!" like a 4-year old to policy proposals.

[Kevin]

[QUOTE=epo;2182274]Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.---to release prisoners into the US....GREAT!
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.---its a spending bill
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.----worst legislation EVER!
Created a "middle class task force".--Jerk off with hand signal....means nothing
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.--not one foreign policy victory, he looks weak
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.-After signing a bill which allowed all AIG bonuses
Set timetable for Iraq War end.--That always works
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban---Where's the plan?
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead---I disagree but dont feel strongly about this one
Lifted ban on stem cell funding---Fine

Err.. Bush signed the bail out to get AIG those bonuses, not Obama.. try again

[Gvac]

I would love to live in a world in which the republic party had an idea other than crying and yelling "NO!" like a 4-year old to policy proposals.

I bet they say the same thing about the Dems!

[Knowledged_one]

Didnt chavez just call him a clown and iran tell him cut ties with isreal or they want nothing to do with his olive branch

[IMSlacker]

Here is what I can tell he's only gotten done in 60 days:

Announces plans to close Guantanamo Bay.---to release prisoners into the US....GREAT!
Lifts abortion funding ban.
Ordered EPA to unblock states rights to raise auto emissions standards.
Passed stimulus package.---its a spending bill
Signed Lilly Ledbetter Fair Compensation Act.----worst legislation EVER!
Created a "middle class task force".--Jerk off with hand signal....means nothing
Offered an olive branch to Iran, Syria, N. Korea, and Russia.--not one foreign policy victory, he looks weak
Created caps for executives in companies that take bailout monies.-After signing a bill which allowed all AIG bonuses
Set timetable for Iraq War end.--That always works
Re-focused military operations on Afghanistan and Taliban---Where's the plan?
Opened ban on media photos on American war dead---I disagree but dont feel strongly about this one
Lifted ban on stem cell funding---Fine

Wait until you get a load of the 28th Amendment. You're in for a long 16 years.

[TheMojoPin]

Sean, please clarify what a "foreign policy victory" is.

[Knowledged_one]

[QUOTE=JerseySean;2182287]

Err.. Bush signed the bail out to get AIG those bonuses, not Obama.. try again

actually he didnt

[JerseySean]

[QUOTE=JerseySean;2182287]

Err.. Bush signed the bail out to get AIG those bonuses, not Obama.. try again

AIG was Obama's TARP bill not Bush's...please double check

[Kevin]

Didnt chavez just call him a clown and iran tell him cut ties with isreal or they want nothing to do with his olive branch

He put the ball Iran's court, they can't hide behind the they don't even want to try to be good with us argument anymore.

Who really takes Hank Stienbrenner Chavez serious anyway?

[IMSlacker]

Obama's mastery of the quote function on message boards is unmatched.

[epo]

Err.. Bush signed the bail out to get AIG those bonuses, not Obama.. try again

actually he didnt

Bush signs $700 billion financial bailout bill (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26987291/)

Fri., Oct. 3, 2008

President Bush signed into law Friday a historic $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry, promising to move swiftly to use his sweeping new authority to unlock frozen credit markets to get the economy moving again.

Oh my god! Bush obviously had NOTHING to do with it! :wallbash:

[underdog]

Err.. Bush signed the bail out to get AIG those bonuses, not Obama.. try again

Yeah, I thought it was signed like Jan 16th or something like that, but everyone keeps blaming Obama for that one.

I guess the moral of the story is don't let facts get in your way of debating!

[epo]

Yeah, I thought it was signed like Jan 16th or something like that, but everyone keeps blaming Obama for that one.

I guess the moral of the story is don't let facts get in your way of debating!

President Bush agrees to request the money from Congress on behalf of Barack Obama.
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/12/obama-team-talks-tap-remaining-bailout-funds/)
President-elect Barack Obama is seeking the release of the second half of the $700 billion financial bailout package, as his top economic adviser told congressional leaders in a letter Monday that the need for funding is "imminent and urgent."

President Bush has agreed to ask Congress to release the remaining $350 billion on Obama's behalf, White House Press Secretary Dana Perino said Monday morning.

Dateline, January 12th.

[JerseySean]

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20090322/Geithner_Bailouts_090322/20090322?hub=World

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742582093579655.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

[underdog]

President Bush agrees to request the money from Congress on behalf of Barack Obama.
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/12/obama-team-talks-tap-remaining-bailout-funds/)

Dateline, January 12th.

Alright, so they're both the asshole.

[TheMojoPin]

Sean, again, explain what a "foreign policy victory" is.

[epo]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742582093579655.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

From your own article:

"Washington is all in a tizzy and everybody is pointing fingers at each other and saying it's their fault, the Democrats' fault, the Republicans' fault," he said at a town hall meeting Wednesday. "Listen, I'll take responsibility. I'm the President."

He also make clear that it isn't really his fault. "We didn't grant these contracts," he said.

But he added: "So for everybody in Washington who's busy scrambling, trying to figure out how to blame somebody else, just go ahead and talk to me, because it's my job to make sure that we fix these messes, even if I don't make them."

hahahahaha

[underdog]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123742582093579655.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Hold on. Our president actually accepted blame for a mistake? Am I reading that right?

Doesn't he know the proper thing to do is to hold a large press conference with a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind him?

[JerseySean]

President Bush agrees to request the money from Congress on behalf of Barack Obama.
(http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/01/12/obama-team-talks-tap-remaining-bailout-funds/)

Dateline, January 12th.

Cant spin this....Obama accepted responsibility...admit it he's wrong

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Sean, please clarify what a "foreign policy victory" is.

Don't listen to him Sean! Please don't listen to him!! Just forget anything was said!!! P-l-z.

[epo]

Sean, again, explain what a "foreign policy victory" is.

Its next to the "insider" polling that proves McCain is ahead in Virginia and Pennsylvania.

[underdog]

Sean, again, explain what a "foreign policy victory" is.

It's definitely not reaching out an olive branch to our enemies!

We should keep bombing Iraq and treating Iran and Syria like we're coming there next. You know, the successful way we've been doing it.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Alright, so they're both the asshole.

Truth.

[Kevin]

Cant spin this....Obama accepted responsibility...admit it he's wrong

He accepted responsibility because he is the President, and the blame falls on him. Thats what he should do. But don't act like the Reps and Bush had nothing to do with this

[JerseySean]

Sean, again, explain what a "foreign policy victory" is.

not a glaring defeat like Obama has been dealt time and time again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/02/report-obama-offers-scrap-missile-shield-russia-cooperates-iran/

[CofyCrakCocaine]

It's definitely not reaching out an olive branch to our enemies!

We should keep bombing Iraq and treating Iran and Syria like we're coming there next. You know, the successful way we've been doing it.

Un-truth.

[epo]

not a glaring defeat like Obama has been dealt time and time again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/02/report-obama-offers-scrap-missile-shield-russia-cooperates-iran/

If we don't militarize the world.....WE ALL FAIL!

[JerseySean]

....... treating Iran and Syria like we're coming there next.

YES!!! The United States has always used diplomacy first backed up by the threat of force. The Obamas have taken the second part off of the table.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

If we don't militarize the world.....WE ALL FAIL!

Shut up and help me arm those pesky Japanese!

[JerseySean]

If we don't militarize the world.....WE ALL FAIL!

With Russia feeling froggy again, lets take away a potential barrier from a European invasion away.....smart

[epo]

Shut up and help me arm those pesky Japanese!

Those Ethiopians need more guns!

[underdog]

YES!!! The United States has always used diplomacy first backed up by the threat of force. The Obamas have taken the second part off of the table.

Yeah, it's worked so well the last couple of years.

All we've been doing is growing American hate in that part of the world.

And our threat of violence no longer works after the quagmire that is Iraq.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Always funny when the righties think that the way to deal with terrorism is to widen the conflict to involve the whole of Islam with the specific goal being to humiliate and defeat the religion itself. They don't realize that scratching a rash with their tongue doesn't make it any better.

[underdog]

With Russia feeling froggy again, lets take away a potential barrier from a European invasion away.....smart

Good lord, you're a sad, paranoid, little man.

Look out behind you! There's a terror cell there! ohnoes!

[JerseySean]

Yeah, it's worked so well the last couple of years.

All we've been doing is growing American hate in that part of the world.

And our threat of violence no longer works after the quagmire that is Iraq.

So what....and no you're wrong

[epo]

With Russia feeling froggy again, lets take away a potential barrier from a European invasion away.....smart

Here is a real question for not only you but the rest of the people in this thread: Why in this day and age is it our "job" to bear the expense of policing the world? Especially in light of the grave expense that it hamstrings our economy and injures our global competitiveness in the marketplace?

[Kevin]

The Reps are on a ' we started all of this shit so lets hang back a root for the Dems to fail, because the mess we made, might not get cleaned up in time for 2012. So we can win then"

Instead of ' Hey we feel bad about the shit that we did, so lets put country first and get out of this together'.

Way to go, thats the way to run a country.

But they have a guy that talks to the people like he is Barney the Dinosaur, and a woman that thinks Jesus rode on dinosaurs for front runners of their party.

They have a plan for our country.

BTW.

I'm not really a Dem or Rep. I am a who ever can fuckin get the job done person.

[JerseySean]

Always funny when the righties think that the way to deal with terrorism is to widen the conflict to involve the whole of Islam with the specific goal being to humiliate and defeat the religion itself. They don't realize that scratching a rash with their tongue doesn't make it any better.

Who said that?

[HBox]

Forget Russia. The Ottoman Empire is still lying in wait ready to pounce at any moment!

[CofyCrakCocaine]

With Russia feeling froggy again, lets take away a potential barrier from a European invasion away.....smart

Nothing can stop Russia when it's got its mind set on dominating one of those little ass countries in Eastern Europe. Not even the proud sons of Finland, father of the Molotov Cocktails while simultaneously skiing and squeezing off consecutive headshots, could stop them for long. Those guns you give the little nations would just fall into the hands of the Russkis anyway.

[underdog]

So what....and no you're wrong

Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Here is a real question for not only you but the rest of the people in this thread: Why in this day and age is it our "job" to bear the expense of policing the world? Especially in light of the grave expense that it hamstrings our economy and injures our global competitiveness in the marketplace?

Because having enough nukes to tell everyone else what to do is worth more than money itself?

[underdog]

Forget Russia. The Ottoman Empire is still lying in wait ready to pounce at any moment!

I'm scared of the Moops.

[JerseySean]

Here is a real question for not only you but the rest of the people in this thread: Why in this day and age is it our "job" to bear the expense of policing the world? Especially in light of the grave expense that it hamstrings our economy and injures our global competitiveness in the marketplace?

It is our job because it protects our interests. Then it is our job because as the world's last superpower it IS OUR JOB to protect freedom in eastern Europe. The 1930's Republican foreign policy stance has no place in the 21st century. Isolationism is a dead foreign policy and it should stay that way. The Democrats risk being the isolationists of the 21st century if they are not careful.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Forget Russia. The Ottoman Empire is still lying in wait ready to pounce at any moment!

NOOOOOOOOOO

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm scared of the Moops.

I thought the only force you feared was the Kool-Aid Militia.

[JerseySean]

I'm scared of the Moops.

DOnt be racist

[Kevin]

Forget Russia. The Ottoman Empire is still lying in wait ready to pounce at any moment!

That Alexander the great sure is feisty..

And don't for get about Leonidas.. DON'T FUCK WITH SPARTA!

[underdog]

I thought the only force you feared was the Kool-Aid Militia.

I also fear people who go around throwing stones while living in glass houses.

[epo]

It is our job because it protects our interests. Then it is our job because as the world's last superpower it IS OUR JOB to protect freedom in eastern Europe. The 1930's Republican foreign policy stance has no place in the 21st century. Isolationism is a dead foreign policy and it should stay that way. The Democrats risk being the isolationists of the 21st century if they are not careful.

Nobody talks about isolationism. But please remember that even Donald Rumsfeld wanted to pare down the size of our military when the Bush team took office.

Maybe it isn't our job to police everything anymore?

[TooLowBrow]

the second french and indian war would be kinda lackluster

[underdog]

That Alexander the great sure is feisty..

And don't for get about Leonidas.. DON'T FUCK WITH SPARTA!

Oh shit, there's 300 right behind you!

[epo]

That Alexander the great sure is feisty..

And don't for get about Leonidas.. DON'T FUCK WITH SPARTA!

Beware the TWO-FRONT WAR!

[disneyspy]

Beware the TWO-FRONT WAR!

shit michigan can take canada and texas could whip mexico

[JerseySean]

Nobody talks about isolationism. But please remember that even Donald Rumsfeld wanted to pare down the size of our military when the Bush team took office.

Maybe it isn't our job to police everything anymore?

No Rumsfeld wanted to make a light quicker military force. In some ways he was right on, but as Iraq shows us, we can dominate militarily but without the massive force there for cleanup things can get messy. 9/11 showed us that a failed state in the Middle East can come back and bite us.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I also fear people who go around throwing stones while living in glass houses.

I'd never stop shooting until every last one of them were dead. Thank God they're such big, slow, and dumb targets.

[scottinnj]

I smell epic thread.

Seriously, I have seen things I like, and things I don't. He wisely has scuttled the privatization
of VA health care benefits and is getting the VA to do a better job on mental health issues.

I'm not totally on board with this "toxic asset" buyback plan, but at least it isn't the scary socialization of our markets we've been warned about since he took office.

[JerseySean]

I smell epic thread.

Seriously, I have seen things I like, and things I don't. He wisely has scuttled the privatization
of VA health care benefits and is getting the VA to do a better job on mental health issues.

I'm not totally on board with this "toxic asset" buyback plan, but at least it isn't the scary socialization of our markets we've been warned about since he took office.

I warned before he took office.

[epo]

No Rumsfeld wanted to make a light quicker military force. In some ways he was right on, but as Iraq shows us, we can dominate militarily but without the massive force there for cleanup things can get messy. 9/11 showed us that a failed state in the Middle East can come back and bite us.

All 9/11 has proven is that fighting a terrorist group with a traditional military is a bad idea.

[epo]

I warned before he took office.

You've claimed a lot of crazy shit and have an excellent rate of FAIL.

[JerseySean]

All 9/11 has proven is that fighting a terrorist group with a traditional military is a bad idea.

Yea I dont disagree at all.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

All 9/11 has proven is that fighting a terrorist group with a traditional military is a bad idea.

I think that 9/11 proved that you can't not actively seek out and fight terrorists who intend to bring down the entire world order. Iraq proved your point. :-P

[JerseySean]

I think that 9/11 proved that you can't not actively seek out and fight terrorists who intend to bring down the entire world order. Iraq proved your point. :-P

So we are admitting that there were terrorists in Iraq? About time

[scottinnj]

Why in this day and age is it our "job" to bear the expense of policing the world?

It seems like it is not just our job, but the rest of the world's ambivalence to potential threats.
We just always seem to be the country with the ability and the wherewithal to deal with the problems around the world before they become big conflagrations, while the rest of the world is only willing to debate and argue with each other in the U.N.
I'm not saying we're perfect at it, but it's just the rest of the world not wanting to get involved in anything that keeps the US up front in the "policing" of the world.

That's why I'm interested in the world's reaction to Iran now that we have a President who is willing to do what the world wants-act the opposite way Bush did towards Iran.
Obama's actions are not what I'm concerned about. His actions may be wrong, they may be right. Bush may have been wrong, or right, the difference in policy is not my point here. I'm interested in the way the world will react to Iran now that it seems they are going to be treating Obama's gestures with the same disdain they gave to Bush.
Will the world get behind us when it is time to get tough with Iran? Or will we once again, have to take care of the problem of a nuclear Iran alone?

[scottinnj]

I think that 9/11 proved that you can't not actively seek out and fight terrorists who intend to bring down the entire world order. Iraq proved your point. :-P

Yea and no. Iraq became the focal point of the war on terror, and for a while we handled our shit badly. Because of the bad leadership.
Once we changed tactics, it seems we are getting a handle on things, and just in time too, because now we have to redouble our efforts in Aghanistan and figure out how to get that place stable enough for us to be able to leave without worrying about terrorists following us back through Europe and here.

[TheMojoPin]

So we are admitting that there were terrorists in Iraq? About time

Not any of the ones we were looking for or had to worry about, or arguably at all.

[underdog]

So we are admitting that there were terrorists in Iraq? About time

There are now. But to quote you, "who cares".

[TheMojoPin]

not a glaring defeat like Obama has been dealt time and time again.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/02/report-obama-offers-scrap-missile-shield-russia-cooperates-iran/

You're not answering the question.

As I've pointed out before, it's an intellectual fallacy for you to declare non-resolved, non-finite, ongoing diplomatic situations as "failures." You can't even point out a "foreign policy success" by anyone to show us what one looks like.

[underdog]

You're not answering the question.

As I've pointed out before, it's an intellectual fallacy for you to declare non-resolved, non-finite, ongoing diplomatic situations as "failures." You can't even point out a "foreign policy success" by anyone to show us what one looks like.

And I didn't even feel the link he posted was a failure.

[TheMojoPin]

And I didn't even feel the link he posted was a failure.

Because we don't know what they are this point. Sean keeps listing foreign policy failures, yet offers no reasoning for this outside of him disagreeing with the course of action.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

Yea and no. Iraq became the focal point of the war on terror, and for a while we handled our shit badly. Because of the bad leadership.
Once we changed tactics, it seems we are getting a handle on things, and just in time too, because now we have to redouble our efforts in Aghanistan and figure out how to get that place stable enough for us to be able to leave without worrying about terrorists following us back through Europe and here.

The main reason Iraq proves the use of military for fighting ultra-conservative terrorist muslim organizations is a poor notion is because the military is too much of a "big picture" solution for "smaller picture" problems. They exist to decimate countries and established governments, and almost always have never been able to defeat a small guerilla group before their own morale was evaporated. Even though Vietcong was all but destroyed in Vietnam, they still won the war. There's only one way to deal with armies that blend in with civilian populations... and it's not a pretty solution. Nor really tolerable on any level.

Iraq War's purpose sucks especially when that country was hardly the source of terrorists or a real strategic or domestic threat to this country compared to certain other more nuclear countries. And established a handy-dandy second-front which always leads to easier, more effective war-making.

By blowing up Iraq, we simply bolstered the ultra-conservative radicals who needed some proof that the US was an evil imperialistic entity. After all, there we are dropping bombs on thousands of civvie housing on TV. Meanwhile, now that we fighting Iraq, the line has been blurred between who's a terrorist and who's not. And it gave Iran precisely the prompt it needed to run its game of nuclear chicken.

All this said, 9/11 proved that we cannot abide the very existence of these terror groups and ignoring and underestimating them is even worse than going into Iraq.

Not like this is news to anyone but I had to blab...

[RoseBlood]

He's so well spoken.

He speaks so well!

http://creoleindc.typepad.com/rantings_of_a_creole_prin/images/2008/10/13/chris_rock182155019_std.jpg

[CofyCrakCocaine]

He speaks so well!

http://creoleindc.typepad.com/rantings_of_a_creole_prin/images/2008/10/13/chris_rock182155019_std.jpg

That was a good special. But not as good as Born Suspect.

[scottinnj]

All this said, 9/11 proved that we cannot abide the very existence of these terror groups and ignoring and underestimating them is even worse than going into Iraq.

I'm not sure but I think we agree with each other, or else came to the same point from different perspectives.

So here's my view:

Large military force to defend the borders and fight armies from attacking countries.

Small military units to deploy into potential hotspots to combat terrorist groups without blowing up and occupying entire regiions.

[CofyCrakCocaine]

I'm not sure but I think we agree with each other, or else came to the same point from different perspectives.

So here's my view:

Large military force to defend the borders and fight armies from attacking countries.

Small military units to deploy into potential hotspots to combat terrorist groups without blowing up and occupying entire regiions.

Yep. With the ability to get the hell out of the country after they've done their damage.

[A.J.]

Seriously, I have seen things I like, and things I don't. He wisely has scuttled the privatization of VA health care benefits and is getting the VA to do a better job on mental health issues.

He needs to focus on the mental health issues on this board.

[sailor]

just because y'all were discussing the aig bonuses here, heard on the news andrew cuomo's thinly veiled threats to release the names of anyone who receives bonuses from aig. basically, some of the execs were agreeing to return their bonuses and he said that those who returned them wouldn't need to have their names kept on the list of those receiving bonuses, which he may release to the public in the future. very scummy move, in my opinion, especially given the death threats they've been receiving lately.

[JerseySean]

You're not answering the question.

As I've pointed out before, it's an intellectual fallacy for you to declare non-resolved, non-finite, ongoing diplomatic situations as "failures." You can't even point out a "foreign policy success" by anyone to show us what one looks like.

No but you can clearly point out small failures. IE-using missle shield in Poland to get the Russians to help with Iran. On top of the small stuff.....
-Giving DVDs to the British PM
-being called an empty suit by leaders of allied nations
-begging China to buy debt

There isnt on instance big or small where he hasnt booted the ball. He reminds me of Dan Uggla during last years all star game. Embarrassing. This is what happens when you let unqualified idiots become President.

[underdog]

There isnt on instance big or small where he hasnt booted the ball. He reminds me of Dan Uggla during last years all star game. Embarrassing. This is what happens when you let unqualified idiots become President.

Are we talking about Bush now?

LOOK OUT BEHIND YOU! TERRORISTS!

[Jujubees2]

This is what happens when you let unqualified idiots become President.

Yeah, you thought we would have learned that from the previous eight years.

[scottinnj]

Yes

[AKA]

Yes

Flip flopper.

[foodcourtdruide]

No but you can clearly point out small failures. IE-using missle shield in Poland to get the Russians to help with Iran. On top of the small stuff.....
-Giving DVDs to the British PM
-being called an empty suit by leaders of allied nations
-begging China to buy debt

There isnt on instance big or small where he hasnt booted the ball. He reminds me of Dan Uggla during last years all star game. Embarrassing. This is what happens when you let unqualified idiots become President.

I heard he lent the British PM WarRoom and China Town and not only did he not return them for a year, he hasn't even watched them!

They said something about a trip to Florio's for compensation.

[scottinnj]

Yes

Flip flopper.

Thanks for noticing.

See what I did there?

[CofyCrakCocaine]

just because y'all were discussing the aig bonuses here, heard on the news andrew cuomo's thinly veiled threats to release the names of anyone who receives bonuses from aig. basically, some of the execs were agreeing to return their bonuses and he said that those who returned them wouldn't need to have their names kept on the list of those receiving bonuses, which he may release to the public in the future. very scummy move, in my opinion, especially given the death threats they've been receiving lately.

Andrew Cuomo is a moron. He's just a leeching bully who is milking this whole thing to make himself look like a hero, but dummy boy knows exactly how to do the wrong thing and instead look like a thug. He doesn't hold two candles to Mario, and I don't give two turds about Mario neither. But that's two turds more than Andy the Fuckstick.

[high fly]

No but you can clearly point out small failures. IE-using missle shield in Poland to get the Russians to help with Iran. On top of the small stuff.....
-Giving DVDs to the British PM
-being called an empty suit by leaders of allied nations
-begging China to buy debt

There isnt on instance big or small where he hasnt booted the ball. He reminds me of Dan Uggla during last years all star game. Embarrassing. This is what happens when you let unqualified idiots become President.

Wrong!
He is phasing out stop-loss orders for the troops.

Signed executive orders to shut down Guantanamo Bay

Signed executive orders that negated every executive order and legal opinion since September 11, 2001 on prisoner interrogation

Signed an executive order that banned torture

Required all his staff to sign an agreement to not work for a lobbying firm after leaving office

Ordered Predator Drone airstrikes on suspected al Qaeda figures in Pakistan

Put a $500,000 cap on executive bonuses for bailout companies

Signed a bill to give health care to 4 million children under the S-Chip program

[scottinnj]

Chia Pet Hair (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?p=2205215#post2205215) = Best President Ever

[scottinnj]

Seals kill three pirates.
Obama has a spine = Best president ever.

[teej]

My daughter brought home her latest school project. It was a US President assignment that has pictures and bios of George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Barack Obama. I was very shocked and dismayed that the school system has already christened Obama one of the greatest presidents already. While I have great hope that he is able and capable of leading this great country, I feel that he is not the best possible president and is actually making the US weaker on the global stage. Plus-he wants to steal money money from my family.

The government is like a junkie friend, always hitting you up for money.

[TheMojoPin]

Since when is it "shocking and dismaying" that kids have to do reports or study about the current presidents when they're taking civics/social studies/history classes? That's nothing new with Obama. It's a good way to show kids how what's happened in the past is still relevant today and to hopefully better understand the role of the president. I remember having to do similar projects when Reagan was in office, including one that basically lumped him together with Jefferson, Jackson, Lincoln and TDR. Was that also "shocking and dismaying?"

[Furtherman]

Was that also "shocking and dismaying?"

To all the haters this early in the game, just the fact that he won.

[DJEvelEd]

Pres. Hussein says he won't close any cannabis dispenseries as long as they don't violate state law. This is a good thing considering NJ should be passing that medical marijuana law this year. I know I will be first on line to get my sticky green bud with my prescription. McCain sure as hell wasn't about to give the patients a break. Barry Hussein should take it a step further and totally end the drug war but this is better than what we would have gotten from the other drug warrior candidates.

Thanks Barry! Now blome!

[high fly]

RESPONSE TO MOJO IN THE "WORST PRESIDENT EVER" -THREAD:

President Obama deserves credit for taking the correct decisions with the Somali pirates.
Let us recall the Biden quote from the hustings where he said the president would likely be confronted with an international crisis early in his administration.
Obama was, and he did great.

[TheMojoPin]

Ehhhh...this wasn't much in the way of being a "crisis."

[scottinnj]

Ehhhh...this wasn't much in the way of being a "crisis."

Agreed. He did a good job in his role as Commander-in-Chief, but this was no crisis like what Biden was alluding to.

[Dude!]

he shoulda gotten a shelter dog
that woulda been
the right thing to do

[mudguts]

911 is a "crisis"... Shooting 3 ass pirates is a "situation"...How about we wait a few years before we decide if he should be crowned the greatest of all-time...

[TooLowBrow]

why dont we have a tax to raise money to fight these pirates?

[HBox]

http://14.media.tumblr.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

O-BAM-A! O-BAM-A! O-BAM-A!

[badmonkey]

http://14.media.tumblr.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/0/0a/PirateGraph.jpg/400px-PirateGraph.jpg

Executing pirates is not going to solve global warming.

[CurseoftheBambi]

Just a lil reminder...what we could have had in the white house...

"I was a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're out of touch.
* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as an effective community organizer, become the
first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including
the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no
other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one
DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote
until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the
secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

Now that makes perfect sense!"

[keithy_19]

Just a lil reminder...what we could have had in the white house...

"I was a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight....

* If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're out of touch.
* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.

* If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.

* If you spend 3 years as an effective community organizer, become the
first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.

* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.

* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including
the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no
other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.

* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.
* If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one
DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote
until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the
secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.

Now that makes perfect sense!"

I'm guessing you found that somewhere and thought it would apply to this thread? Maybe if this was about the election.

And this really takes shots at Palin. She wouldn't have been president. And what does the person your married too have to do anything with who you are? If we did the guilty by association thing Obama has been associated with some shady characters.

It's over. Obama won. McCain/Palin lost. It's ok to let go of it now.

[HBox]

I hate these emails when they are from right wingers and I still hate them when they are from left wingers.

[keithy_19]

I hate these emails when they are from right wingers and I still hate them when they are from left wingers.

Thank you. Someone who gets it.

[CurseoftheBambi]

hmm and anyway. I was just reiterating why he's the "best" president in what you could have had in the WH. But hey your opinion is valid also.

[AKA]

Even with everything going on, I'd still take the last 100 days over the previous 2922.

http://www.barackobama.net/pictures/barack-obama-45.jpg

[Caseyelan]

I just got my White House Easter Egg in the mail.

I got a blue one.


(my aunt bought it for julianna.... wtf do I do with this thing!?)

[ToiletCrusher]

Any president who scares NYC like he did must have a sense of humor, hence he is the best president ever.

Lock this thread up.

[Thebazile78]

I just got my White House Easter Egg in the mail.

I got a blue one.


(my aunt bought it for julianna.... wtf do I do with this thing!?)

Put it in a closet and forget about it until your aunt comes to visit.

Or sell it on eBay.

[sr71blackbird]

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/attachment.php?attachmentid=2260&stc=1&d=1239739241

[Doogie]

Where are your stats from?? And why doesnt it go all the way back to 1789?? You might be surprised at the results there.

[TheMojoPin]

Yeah, Jefferson was a pirate-killin' machine.

[A.J.]

Yeah, Jefferson was a pirate-killin' machine.

All the way to the shores of Tripoli.

[A.J.]

He chose to go to Ray's Hell Burger (http://www.yelp.com/biz/rays-hell-burger-arlington-2)in Rosslyn, VA for lunch the other day (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5283002/Barack-Obama-takes-motorcade-on-trip-to-satisfy-fast-food-craving.html). That makes him a great man.

http://assets.bizjournals.com/story_image/239034-0-0-3.jpg

http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl2/1/15259/19_2009/1e210ca6666085bd_Obama_Biden_Rays.preview.jpg

[~Katja~]

I heard he will be in Dresden on June 4t and Buchenwald June 5th... Maybe Lukas will get to see the president while we are back home. I wonder what gifts he will bring.

[Gvac]

He chose to go to Ray's Hell Burger in Rosslyn, VA for lunch the other day. That makes him a great man.

Maybe we should do away with term limits so he can be President until the day he dies. :wacko: :thumbdown:

I'm surprised at you. :nono:

[A.J.]

Maybe we should do away with term limits so he can be President until the day he dies. :wacko: :thumbdown:

I'm surprised at you. :nono:

If he keeps going to Ray's, he'll be a one-termer.

[high fly]

I heard he will be in Dresden on June 4t and Buchenwald June 5th... Maybe Lukas will get to see the president while we are back home. I wonder what gifts he will bring.


All of our nuclear bomb secrets.















WHOOPS!
Wrong thread.......

[hanso]

If Obama was a true socialist he would invite the last place team to the white house.

[SonOfSmeagol]

It’s hard to see how bho has significantly changed gwb policy when it comes to key security policy. The current administration has, to date, at best, applied cosmetic differences to the previous policy, and I challenge anyone to prove otherwise. (“talking” does not count, really). (90-6 - OUCH)

I say Kudos! Well done! Good President!

A little old, but it sets the stage and remains true:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/03/us/politics/02web-baker.html?_r=3


Tribunal, detention - NO change. “It is also a plain fact -- and one the President acknowledged -- that many of the detainees previously released, often under intense pressure from Mr. Obama's anti-antiterror allies, have returned to careers as Taliban commanders and al Qaeda "emirs." The New York Times reported yesterday on an undisclosed Pentagon report that no fewer than one in seven detainees released from Gitmo have returned to jihad.”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124294739252745239.html


You can move Gitmo (Alcatraz - I love it!, but please don't even think of US mainland, c'mon) but the concept is so largely intact:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/us/politics/23detain.html?_r=1&ref=global-home


NYT! who dat? I gotta start readin' it!

[Serpico1103]

Tribunal, detention - NO change. “It is also a plain fact -- and one the President acknowledged -- that many of the detainees previously released, often under intense pressure from Mr. Obama's anti-antiterror allies, have returned to careers as Taliban commanders and al Qaeda "emirs." The New York Times reported yesterday on an undisclosed Pentagon report that no fewer than one in seven detainees released from Gitmo have returned to jihad.”


So, 6 out of 7 did not "return" jihad. And your implication is that 100% of those released were involved in the jihad originally. False.
If you were detained for a long period of time by a country, would you when released express gratitude towards your captors, or become involved in a movement to fight them?

Every prisoner should be given a trial. If found guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc they should be punished accordingly, including the death penalty.
Holding people indefinitely without filing charges is in complete contrast to everything we stand for, for our own citizens and for every person.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I implied nothing – merely stated a quote. Anyway, they shouldn’t have been released, ever, and then you wouldn’t have to worry about it being our fault that they fight us. (incredible)

Point is that the current admin is no different in substance that the last admin when it comes to the policies of detainees, rights (or lack thereof), tribunals, indefinite detention, etc, etc. None. What, so they want to move Gitmo? Big deal. After all that politicking and yakking – they’ve seen reality and acted in the right fashion, so good for them. Well done I say! (for now)

[Serpico1103]

I implied nothing – merely stated a quote. Anyway, they shouldn’t have been released, ever, and then you wouldn’t have to worry about it being our fault that they fight us. (incredible)

Point is that the current admin is no different in substance that the last admin when it comes to the policies of detainees, rights (or lack thereof), tribunals, indefinite detention, etc, etc. None. What, so they want to move Gitmo? Big deal. After all that politicking and yakking – they’ve seen reality and acted in the right fashion, so good for them. Well done I say! (for now)

Glad you are now pro-obama.

The Times has admitted that "returned" was incorrect.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Whoa there Trigger, never said THAT! Anyway, shouldn’t you be more focused on being outraged that the new man is not only following the old guy policies, specifically that he’s actually continuing to hold detainees indefinitely, without promise of anything really. Specifically, where’s your outrage against the current administration being in direct opposition to your post right up there where you say “Every prisoner should be given a trial. If found guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc they should be punished accordingly, including the death penalty. Holding people indefinitely without filing charges is in complete contrast to everything we stand for, for our own citizens and for every person." C'mon, you can do it!

[Serpico1103]

Whoa there Trigger, never said THAT! Anyway, shouldn’t you be more focused on being outraged that the new man is not only following the old guy policies, specifically that he’s actually continuing to hold detainees indefinitely, without promise of anything really. Specifically, where’s your outrage against the current administration being in direct opposition to your post right up there where you say “Every prisoner should be given a trial. If found guilty of war crimes, crimes against humanity, etc they should be punished accordingly, including the death penalty. Holding people indefinitely without filing charges is in complete contrast to everything we stand for, for our own citizens and for every person." C'mon, you can do it!

Oh I am sorry. You have me confused with a Republican, who must walk lock step with their leader. Of course I disagree with Obama. On many issues.
He was handled a mess. Untangling that mess is not easy. I hope he handles all issues properly, I'll settle for handling many well.

It is far easier to not create a mess in the first place, than to undo one that has already been created.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Yep, I knew you couldn't do it. You spun it like a top, as expected. Actually tried to pin the new guys policy on the old guy because, after all, what else can he do? Laughable, really. And you still manage to get the good ole dig in there. Sad, but as I said, expected.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/try_this/spinning_top.gif

[Serpico1103]

Yep, I knew you couldn't do it. You spun it like a top, as expected. Actually tried to pin the new guys policy on the old guy because, after all, what else can he do? Laughable, really. And you still manage to get the good ole dig in there. Sad, but as I said, expected.

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/try_this/spinning_top.gif

Something tells me no matter what I said I would have gotten the top.

Actually, Obama isn't radical enough for me. I think we need to move more towards socialism. I didn't think Clinton was a great president either. He is not as liberal as your side would cry, but he was so popular it was necessary to demonize him.
I'll judge Obama fairly and without bias. Just give me some time. Decisions made today can not be accurately judged for awhile.

[SonOfSmeagol]

No, actually. If you had stepped up and followed through and backed up your own words instead of (yawn) blaming Bush it might’ve been more respectable. But you didn’t. I’m only surprised you didn’t somehow weave WMD into it. Now you add in the ‘ol self-effacing sarcasm, having never backed up you own assertions. Sweet!

[Serpico1103]

No, actually. If you had stepped up and followed through and backed up your own words instead of (yawn) blaming Bush it might’ve been more respectable. But you didn’t. I’m only surprised you didn’t somehow weave WMD into it. Now you add in the ‘ol self-effacing sarcasm, having never backed up you own assertions. Sweet!

Where was the self-effacing sarcasm?
Thanks, I am kinda sweet.

Not sure what would be the "right" answer. I think the prisoners should be processed as soon as possible. That does not mean today. Some released, some detained longer either to prosecute or to decide where and when to release. Closing Gitmo is symbolic, like Abu Ghraib. If you are guilty of treason you should be tried and executed if found guilty. You should not be held in some limbo as a prisoner of war during a war that isn't a war, that will never end. Enforce our laws. However harsh the outcome.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Well, shit, that’s no fun. That’s pretty much past and present policy. The problems have been with actually implementing it.

[Serpico1103]

Well, shit, that’s no fun. That’s pretty much past and present policy. The problems have been with actually implementing it.

I think GW preferred holding everyone, even US citizens, permanently without trial. I prefer, and I hope Obama decides, to use a system similar to our criminal justice system to process them. They should be afforded some rights, to ensure that they are given fair trials. I want the guilty punished and the innocent freed. I don't want innocents detained unnecessarily or punished.

[SonOfSmeagol]

"Hot Dog" diplomacy?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090602/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_us_iran_july4;_ylt=AmTQ3iNYgm3_1qobbgWfuvUDW7oF

You know what? it might actually fucking work. Certainly can't hurt. I like it!

[SonOfSmeagol]

"Palestinians must abandon violence. Resistance through violence and killing is wrong and it does not succeed. For centuries, black people in America suffered the lash of the whip as slaves and the humiliation of segregation. But it was not violence that won full and equal rights. It was a peaceful and determined insistence upon the ideals at the center of America's founding.

This same story can be told by people from South Africa to South Asia; from Eastern Europe to Indonesia. It's a story with a simple truth: that violence is a dead end. It is a sign neither of courage nor power to shoot rockets at sleeping children, or to blow up old women on a bus.

That's not how moral authority is claimed; that's how it is surrendered.

Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have to recognize they have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognize Israel's right to exist."


I think he was a little soft on calling out Hamas directly, but powerful, succinct words. I hope he follows through. I absolutely love the shot of the militants sitting there like schoolboys, in those surroundings, yet with their hands firmly on the guns.

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c64169e201156fca3303970c-pi

[A.J.]

"Now is the time for Palestinians to focus on what they can build. The Palestinian Authority must develop its capacity to govern, with institutions that serve the needs of its people. Hamas does have support among some Palestinians, but they also have to recognize they have responsibilities. To play a role in fulfilling Palestinian aspirations, to unify the Palestinian people, Hamas must put an end to violence, recognize past agreements, recognize Israel's right to exist."


I think he was a little soft on calling out Hamas directly, but powerful, succinct words. I hope he follows through. I absolutely love the shot of the militants sitting there like schoolboys, in those surroundings, yet with their hands firmly on the guns.

http://washingtonbureau.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c64169e201156fca3303970c-pi

Not really. HAMAS is the democratically elected government of the PA after all and for years, they were the only organization providing basic services to the people. Now he's calling them out and challeging them to step up if they want to be taken seriously. HAMAS is being given a chance to redeem themselves -- or they can the example of Arafat, leading his people down a path of suffering for years due to corruption and violence.

[high fly]

Not really. HAMAS is the democratically elected government of the PA after all and for years, they were the only organization providing basic services to the people. Now he's calling them out and challeging them to step up if they want to be taken seriously. HAMAS is being given a chance to redeem themselves -- or they can the example of Arafat, leading his people down a path of suffering for years due to corruption and violence.

Indeed they are.
When an insurgent organization actually succeeds and attains political power, it inevitably changes to some degree.
Before, it had nothing to lose.
Now it does.
HAMAS was able to succeed because it provided services the PA didn't, as you so correctly said, but it is not corrupt like the PA was and therefore provided a reasonable alternative in the eyes of the people of Gaza.

Sometimes once insurgent groups attain political power, they are unable to handle operating bureaucracies and the mundane things that have to take place for a government to work.
The Taliban is a good example of this.
They started out looking good to the people, bringing order, swift justice, they are devout, not corrupt and live simply among the people.
But once they got into power, their illiteracy caught up to them and they proved unable to operate a government and would have fallen eventually regardless of our intervention...

[Zorro]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/obammy.jpg

Oh Yeah !!!

[HBox]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n67/Chas4604/obammy.jpg

Oh Yeah !!!

I love the "I told you that ass be slammin" look Sarkozy has.

[angrymissy]

LMFASDFKLAJFSDA @ Sarkozy

[TheMojoPin]

That picture is about 86 kinds of awesome.

[angrymissy]

It gets better

http://www.imagechicken.com/uploads/1247119945082801300.jpg

[The Jays]

If only she moved over 12 inches to the right...

[Pestz4Evah]

THAT GIRL IS ONLY 16...OUTRAGE! (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=6912)

[LordJezo]

Can't really go against Obama on this one. I'd be checking that backside out too if I were there.

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/9876/090709junior8.jpg

[angrymissy]

I guess he's not really as much of an ass man as we thought. The video just makes Sarkozy look even more inappropriately awesome.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/when-in-rome.html

[Dude!]

I guess he's not really as much of an ass man as we thought. The video just makes Sarkozy look even more inappropriately awesome.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/when-in-rome.html

yeah
sarkozy makes obama
look like a homo

vive la france!

[A.J.]

I guess he's not really as much of an ass man as we thought. The video just makes Sarkozy look even more inappropriately awesome.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/07/when-in-rome.html

I'm surprised Berlusconi wasn't caught gawking....or groping.

[west milly Tom]

Suprise suprise he's into white women with a big back yard.

[Dude!]

Suprise suprise he's into white women with a big back yard.

i wouldn't call her white

[west milly Tom]

i wouldn't call her white

She looks white on the blackberry. Is she a mixed bag?

[BinaryTaoist]

http://www.valdelsa.net/redazione/publish/img/g8_obamag_w.jpg


Apparently that chick is 16.

[drjoek]

The look on the guy next to hims face is perfect!

[lleeder]

http://www.valdelsa.net/redazione/publish/img/g8_obamag_w.jpg


Apparently that chick is 16.

Him and Anthony have more in common then they're letting on.

[mikeyboy]

Already being discussed here. (http://www.ronfez.net/forums/showthread.php?t=79005&page=7)

[disneyspy]

the french gay is just tryin to pretend hes not gay or french

but that is a nice ass and the prez knows how to secrectly check out the goods without bein obvious

[HBox]

the french gay is just tryin to pretend hes not gay or french

but that is a nice ass and the prez knows how to secrectly check out the goods without bein obvious

The French President is fucking the hottest chick out of all of them by far.

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/48/21/Sarkozey_and_Carla_Bruni.0.0.0x0.432x653.jpeg

[drjoek]

http://www.valdelsa.net/redazione/publish/img/g8_obamag_w.jpg


Apparently that chick is 16.

Is he losing weight or does his suit not fit him very well?

[Serpico1103]

THAT GIRL IS ONLY 16...IDIOCY (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=6912)

Doesn't look like he was checking her out. Tell Savage to try harder. This was almost another "doesn't put his hand on his heart" or "doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel" incident.

Why do people still think they can analyze an incident from a picture? Well, idiots do.

[keithy_19]

Doesn't look like he was checking her out. Tell Savage to try harder. This was almost another "doesn't put his hand on his heart" or "doesn't wear a flag pin on his lapel" incident.

Why do people still think they can analyze an incident from a picture? Well, idiots do.

Lighten up. No one is really calling out the president. If anything, they're admiring him for being a guy.

[Serpico1103]

Lighten up. No one is really calling out the president. If anything, they're admiring him for being a guy.

From Savage's site:
Obama caught ogling
child; what class!

(New York Post) The leader of the free world and his French counterpart were caught sneaking a peek

I guess I am missing the levity that he intended. "Caught ogling a child" is what you consider admiring him?
I know most thinking people know it is a non-issue, unfortunately I am not sure most of the voting public are thinking people.

[CurseoftheBambi]

he wasnt checking out ass. he was helping someone down the stairs.

[keithy_19]

From Savage's site:
Obama caught ogling
child; what class!

(New York Post) The leader of the free world and his French counterpart were caught sneaking a peek

I guess I am missing the levity that he intended. "Caught ogling a child" is what you consider admiring him?
I know most thinking people know it is a non-issue, unfortunately I am not sure most of the voting public are thinking people.

My point was that most people on this message board were just having a good fun with it. I'm not a fan of Savage and really don't care what he has to say.

As to the voting public, I agree. How could we possibly have elected that ogling clown in office if we thought about it?:laugh:

[scottinnj]

he wasnt checking out ass. he was helping someone down the stairs.

I knew you were a board character. You're literal Jim in disguise, aren't you?

[brettmojo]

As to the voting public, I agree. How could we possibly have elected that ogling clown in office if we thought about it?:laugh:
http://temple3.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/bill_clinton_yeahihitit.jpg

[hanso]

Turns out shes under age.

[keithy_19]

Turns out shes under age.

You're walking down the street and there's an attractive female walking. She bends over. Are you really thinking about how old she is? There's a difference between someone that obviously couldn't pass as an adult and someone that can. If this is what people who don't like Obama are using to knock him, get off of it. There's other things you can use.

[A.J.]

The French President is fucking the hottest chick out of all of them by far.

http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/48/21/Sarkozey_and_Carla_Bruni.0.0.0x0.432x653.jpeg

For now. Being French, he won't remain monogamous to that for the rest of his life.

[~Katja~]

there are a bunch of nudes out there too from his wife, imagine an American President with a wife who modeled and posed for nudes??? lol

She is pretty though, in the beach picture she looks a bit like Shannon Doherty and it does her no justice

http://www.watch67.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/nude-photo-of-french-presidents-wife4.jpg

[hanso]

You're walking down the street and there's an attractive female walking. She bends over. Are you really thinking about how old she is? There's a difference between someone that obviously couldn't pass as an adult and someone that can. If this is what people who don't like Obama are using to knock him, get off of it. There's other things you can use.
I was only adding to the story.
It doesn't phase me one way or the other.

[scottinnj]

THAT GIRL IS ONLY 16...OUTRAGE! (http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=6912)

Why is Savage giving her such a nice profile? I thought anyone living south of the Rio Grande was an enemy combatant illegal swine flu carrying communist who dreams of illegally crossing into the United States to vote for the Democratic Party presidential nominee?

Edit: I used "illegal" twice in the same sentence. Ugh. Swing and a miss.

[keithy_19]

Why is Savage giving her such a nice profile? I thought anyone living south of the Rio Grande was an enemy combatant illegal swine flu carrying communist who dreams of illegally crossing into the United States to vote for the Democratic Party presidential nominee?

Edit: I used "illegal" twice in the same sentence. Ugh. Swing and a miss.

Yet you didn't change it. I respect that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama better not throw a 58 footer tonight. Say what you want about his predecessor but he threw a strike

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631knZM9Uiw

[angrymissy]

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[topless_mike]

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i dont like the guy, but that was a pretty sweet shot right out of the gate.
good work.

[LordJezo]

Citizen spying tactics are being put into effect

http://www.prisonplanet.com/cable-tv-workers-trained-to-spy-on-citizens.html

People will be hiding in fear and be forced to talk about anti Obama politics in secret places now in fear that the citizen spy corps will report them to the police.

[TjM]

Again Alex Jones is an idiot

[angrymissy]

http://perrylogan.org/AlexBleef.html

Some Highlights

What Alex Jones believes...believe it or not!

Cell phones cause brain tumors. "It's like proven."
The Aztecs would take hallucinogenic enemas and cut their penises off.
The secret rulers of the world can live forever
There are live AIDS viruses in the corn.
There are little wires in dollar bills that keep track of what you buy.
The bad guys plant clues in TV shows and tell you what they're going to do on TV.
The government keeps "giant, honeycombed hives full of toddlers drugged on lithium"

[Zorro]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/money/072209operation_bright_eyes

...neighborhood watches and stuff like that have been around for years.

[keithy_19]

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I can make that shot first try too. And I'm a short nothing.

I once made a shot from half court and got blown later that day because of it. Try that one on for size Mr. President.

[Furtherman]

I can make that shot first try too.

I once made a shot from half court and got blown later that day because of it.

No you can't.

No you didn't.

[Serpico1103]

I can make that shot first try too. And I'm a short nothing.

I once made a shot from half court and got blown later that day because of it. Try that one on for size Mr. President.

Did your coach spit or swallow?

[LordJezo]

FEMA is now making their moves out in the open

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

Some are saying this is an exercise to practice for upcoming martial law rule.

At least now we know it's happening and can prepare ourselves.

[TjM]

:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:

[TheMojoPin]

Some are saying this is an exercise to practice for upcoming martial law rule.

Are they sweaty when they say this? Are their sexy muscles straining ever so hard against the flimsy Spandex stretched across them? Is there a manly yet sensual groan punctuating each sentence as their glistening bodies hoist weights towards the heavens?

FREEDOM GYM STRIKES AGAIN.

[scottinnj]

FREEDOM GYM STRIKES AGAIN.


http://rlv.zcache.com/i_failed_gym_class_tshirt-p235345452601192649qj9x_210.jpg

[HBox]

Some are saying Earth is in imminent danger of an invasion of Space Serpents.

[TheMojoPin]

Jim Marrs owns Jezo's gym.

[epo]

FEMA is now making their moves out in the open

http://www.fema.gov/media/fact_sheets/nle09.shtm

Some are saying this is an exercise to practice for upcoming martial law rule.

At least now we know it's happening and can prepare ourselves.

Are you just linking to random shit?

[sr71blackbird]

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[keithy_19]

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"Not calling your waitress a cunt."

[high fly]

Some are saying Earth is in imminent danger of an invasion of Space Serpents.


BFD. Obama can take-em with one hand tied behind his back....

[LordJezo]

It got pretty crazy going to the gym today..

In the parking lot a verbal battle broke out. One guy was calling for Obama to be a dictator and how he'd love Obama to be in power forever while the other dude starting yelling back something about Paulson.

On the way home we drove past someone who is a supporter of population control in order to combat global warming.

Conversation went to how home schooling may be outlawed under new Obama laws.

What a day.

[Furtherman]

Squash Courts are now open and accepting applications for mens team.

[foodcourtdruide]

It got pretty crazy going to the gym today..

In the parking lot a verbal battle broke out. One guy was calling for Obama to be a dictator and how he'd love Obama to be in power forever while the other dude starting yelling back something about Paulson.

On the way home we drove past someone who is a supporter of population control in order to combat global warming.

Conversation went to how home schooling may be outlawed under new Obama laws.

What a day.

This is pretty interesting, usually when I "drive past someone" I barely notice them. You and your friend however are able to gather information regarding their beliefs on world issues. How fast were you guys going at the time?

[LordJezo]

Speaking of population reduction the hard left (New York Times) has an article up about how having a child is one of the worst things you can do to your carbon footprint:

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/having-children-brings-high-carbon-impact/

Things like this will only help guilt people into not having children and aid the elite in their goal to reduce the number of humans on the earth.

This goes very well with Obama's plan of forced sterilization of the US public:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/07/obamas_totalita.html

[Crispy123]

You northern people and your strange lingo. Down here in Florida we call the hard left a U-turn.

[Syd]

Speaking of population reduction the hard left (New York Times) has an article up about how having a child is one of the worst things you can do to your carbon footprint:

http://greeninc.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/07/having-children-brings-high-carbon-impact/

Things like this will only help guilt people into not having children and aid the elite in their goal to reduce the number of humans on the earth.

This goes very well with Obama's plan of forced sterilization of the US public:

http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2009/07/obamas_totalita.html

its just part of the plan to convert people into lizards so they can reproduce asexually, thereby increasing profits of the bilderberg group

[TheMojoPin]

This is pretty interesting, usually when I "drive past someone" I barely notice them. You and your friend however are able to gather information regarding their beliefs on world issues. How fast were you guys going at the time?

I think it's gross that all those angry, sweaty dudes form the gym pile into a single car and then go "home." Peeee-yoo.

[LordJezo]

You northern people and your strange lingo. Down here in Florida we call the hard left a U-turn.

We are not primitive like you. We have jughandles here for that.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Well, at least taking out Taliban hasn't gone out of style (yet). Gotta give credit where credit is due.

Pakistani Taliban name two extremists to replace assassinated leader (http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20090825/wl_mcclatchy/3299091)

"The pair appeared to be sitting together as they called select local journalists …as they passed the phone between them, according to one person who spoke to both."

You go, Girls!

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/200178199-003.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=79D94D7195D79F822934FB930320D1553DBC943522549C24

[CurseoftheBambi]

why the best president ever?

From this:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4743.JPG

To This:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4813.JPG

this:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4696.JPG

and this:http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4681.JPG

[booster11373]

why the best president ever?

From this:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4743.JPG

To This:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4813.JPG

this:

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4696.JPG

and this:http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4681.JPG

Kung Fu grip?

[Furtherman]

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4681.JPG

Obama had to take up the Force ever since Putin took up the Dark Arts.

<a href="http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/?action=view&current=forcevsmagic-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/1003/Furtherman/forcevsmagic-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

[CurseoftheBambi]

Kung Fu grip?

somewhere in there...

http://gamu-toys.info/sonota/sw/obama/DSC_4787.JPG


http://cinie.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/obama_jedi_knight.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HE'S BARACK OBAMA HES COME TO SAVE THE DAY!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVFdAJRVm94

[high fly]

I like how, with one mighty squeeze of his hand around the sides, the top pops off a can of spinach which then arcs through the air into his mouth and gives him super-strength....

[high fly]

remember the charging herd of bulls in the Merrill Lynch commercial?
They were running away because Obama threatened to kick they ass.....

[LordJezo]

Obama Youth love Father Obama and all his has done for his nation.

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[TooLowBrow]

Obama Youth love Father Obama and all his has done for his nation.

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those kids are too young to vote and by the time theyre old enough obama will be out of office.
these kids are being brainwashed pointlessly

[IamFogHat]

Obama Youth love Father Obama and all his has done for his nation.

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Not to heat this box up or nothing but I work in let's just say private schools, and if you're implying some sort of brainwashing to the left with our children boy-o you ain't seen nothin until you hang around the environment I have to lie to openly to keep my job every day. Holy shit. That retarded boy that ran our nation for almost the last decade may as well be canonized (that means he goes through the process of being a saint) not to mention infallible.
Recognize.

[IMSlacker]

Obama Youth love Father Obama and all his has done for his nation.

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Adorable.

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090925/capt.94974b45a3eb41ffa22f68f247306981.obama_g20_su mmit_iran_pada116.jpg?x=248&y=345&q=85&sig=8XVXF.P187gMZD3CYLj7cA--

BadAss

[sr71blackbird]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama wins the Nobel Peace prize, Not sure if he's the best President ever, but after losing out on Chicagos bid for the Olympics last week, This week Obama had the "BEST WEEK EVER"

[hanso]

Consolation prize?

[A.J.]

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http://www.2oceansvibe.com/images/paris_hiltons_frozen_face.gif

[epo]

At least he's not afraid to kick a little rhetorical ass:

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

At least he's not afraid to kick a little rhetorical ass:

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WE GET ALREADY!!!! BUSH SCREWED UP!!!

Hey Obama the fucking campaign is over Get over it you won!!! This dope bitches and moans about the last 8 years, If he didnt want the job he shouldnt have fucking run for President. Can he act like a leader and stop being on campaign mode 24/7 ???

The next president is going to need a Hazmat suit after Obama and Congress is done wrecking the economy

:wallbash:

[epo]

WE GET ALREADY!!!! BUSH SCREWED UP!!!

Hey Obama the fucking campaign is over Get over it you won!!! This dope bitches and moans about the last 8 years, If he didnt want the job he shouldnt have fucking run for President. Can he act like a leader and stop being on campaign mode 24/7 ???

The next president is going to need a Hazmat suit after Obama and Congress is done wrecking the economy

:wallbash:

Actually he's reminding us about the CURRENT tactics of the republican party of "no" right now.

[keithy_19]

Actually he's reminding us about the CURRENT tactics of the republican party of "no" right now.

There are times where he sounds like he is still giving campaign speeches. I understand that he took on a bad situation, but you shouldn't constantly say how you were brought into a bad situation. It sounds more like an excuse than anything else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Actually he's reminding us about the CURRENT tactics of the republican party of "no" right now.

The Republicans in congress are irrelevant they are the minorities in both houses, plus Obama always has Olympia Snowes vote

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are times where he sounds like he is still giving campaign speeches. I understand that he took on a bad situation, but you shouldn't constantly say how you were brought into a bad situation. It sounds more like an excuse than anything else.

He should have stayed s backbencher in the Senate. He sounds like Yenta with all the complaining he does because he's in over his head

[A.J.]

Actually he's reminding us about the CURRENT tactics of the republican party of "no" right now.

The Republicans in congress are irrelevant they are the minorities in both houses, plus Obama always has Olympia Snowes vote

Indeed. HIS party of is the party of "no". Fuck "bipartisanship": they should be ramming legislation through at breakneck speed.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Indeed. HIS party of is the party of "no". Fuck "bipartisanship": they should be ramming legislation through at breakneck speed.

They are more worried about some dopey commentators on opinion shows

[IMSlacker]

Justice Dept. to Stop Pursuit of Medical Marijuana Use (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/us/20cannabis.html?hp)

In a memorandum to federal prosecutors in the 14 states that allow the use of marijuana for medical purposes, the department said it was committed to the “efficient and rational use” of its resources and that going after individuals who were in “clear and unambiguous compliance” with state laws did not meet that standard.

The Justice Department policy statement, foreshadowed since shortly after President Obama took office, was laid out on Monday in an announcement by Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., who made public a memo from David W. Ogden, the deputy attorney general, to the United States attorneys in the affected states, most notably California.

The announcement formalizes the Obama administration’s departure from the policies of former President George W. Bush, under whose administration federal agents raided medical marijuana distributors that violated federal statutes, even if the distributors appeared to be complying with state laws.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Justice Dept. to Stop Pursuit of Medical Marijuana Use (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/20/us/20cannabis.html?hp)

You heard of Cash for Clunkers, lets have Money for Munchies

[keithy_19]

You heard of Cash for Clunkers, lets have Money for Munchies

A program we can all get behind.

[A.J.]

You heard of Cash for Clunkers, lets have Money for Munchies

Cash for Junkies.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A program we can all get behind.


I like Dollars for Doritos

[Dude!]

I like Dollars for Doritos

I'm off to to Dunkin Donuts

[beachbum]

The irony here is that some of you guys will bitch that he hasn't "fixed" the things he said he would knowing that he has only been in office for 9 months while refusing to acknowledge that the problems he inherited were created by your hero.It seems to be perfectly allright to hold him to a different standard than the last guy.Why is that?You gym rats weren't on here crying for the last 8 years.

[underdog]

You gym rats weren't on here crying for the last 8 years.

Well, marc and hammersavage were, but they were crying for much different reasons.

[beachbum]

I'm just so sick of the double standards.I've had to swear off political talk radio from both sides.Listening to that shit will rot your brain.When will people realize that when you pay someone to have an agenda they are going to promote that agenda at all expense,including the truth?

Every problem that Bush had when he was in office was blamed on Clinton.They even tried to pin 9-11 on Bill.Yet,now that Obama is president,the left is supposed to just not mention the flaming pile of shit Bush left behind?

I agree that he needs to take responsibility for fixing the problems instead of placing blame for them.But on the flip side,shouldn't the hard core right wing factions just shut up for a while?I don't mean they don't have a right to voice opinions just quit trying to throw shit at the president for a while .If their guy left the country in good shape I would say feel free but that is hardly the case here.

If the country were at peace and thriving the right would be giving Bush all of the credit.The country is still at war and economically crippled and they are shifting the blame to Obama.It just makes me want to puke.There is no honesty from either side.