Immigration Battle 2009-10 [Archive] - Page 2

badmonkey

12-16-2009, 05:09 PM

So in your doomsday scenario, the job market will shrink...and we don't need any population growth.

Fine, in that scenario enjoy paying much, much higher taxes than you've ever dreamed.

The job market is already shrinking. Congress and the President spent a shitload of money trying to stimulate the economy and then last week realized "oh shit! we forgot to create the jobs! Let's have a meeting to figure out how to create jobs!" Where are the jobs epo?

epo

12-16-2009, 05:16 PM

The job market is already shrinking. Congress and the President spent a shitload of money trying to stimulate the economy and then last week realized "oh shit! we forgot to create the jobs! Let's have a meeting to figure out how to create jobs!" Where are the jobs epo?

So you think its government that creates jobs? Interesting...I never took you for a socialist.

JohnCharles

12-16-2009, 05:49 PM

How about this...

We take all the immigrants and put them to work building roads.

We'll call it the Eisenhower Interstate Project.

Whatcha think?

Syd

12-16-2009, 06:59 PM

Syd, you kinda don't know what you're talking about, and when you start using big words like facism you come off like Wrestling Fan. The immigration debate in this country is being driven by two political parties trying recruit the next big wave of voters.

I don't think you understand what I mean when I say fascism guides our immigration laws. Or nationalism, one or the other. At some point, immigrants are looked down upon as being less worthy than the majority of the nation.

Also the immigration debate is this: two people figuring out the best way to get money from companies for their re-election campaigns. Sorry that YOU don't know what you're talking about. You don't recruit voters, you pay for voters through ads and campaigning. There won't really be anything changed one way or the other with regards to immigration -- it's too good for both parties, the same way abortion is or gun rights. It's better to use it to gather money than it is to try to do something about a wedge issue.

foodcourtdruide

12-17-2009, 05:56 AM

actually, we went through this in the 80's. Gave people amnesty. And, here we are again.

Amnesty and reform don't necessarily have to go hand and hand. Why not allow illegal immigrants who have proven they could be positive members of society to just become citizens? There is no feasible scenario where illegal immigration will simply go away. It is also not clear exactly what (if any) negative impact on our society illegal immigration has. I find the thought idea of mass deportation, or the notion of complete amnesty to be extremely inside-the-box ways of thinking.

Ritalin

12-17-2009, 07:13 AM

I don't think you understand what I mean when I say fascism guides our immigration laws. Or nationalism, one or the other. At some point, immigrants are looked down upon as being less worthy than the majority of the nation.

Also the immigration debate is this: two people figuring out the best way to get money from companies for their re-election campaigns. Sorry that YOU don't know what you're talking about. You don't recruit voters, you pay for voters through ads and campaigning. There won't really be anything changed one way or the other with regards to immigration -- it's too good for both parties, the same way abortion is or gun rights. It's better to use it to gather money than it is to try to do something about a wedge issue.

No, you're right: I don't know what you mean when you invoke fascism. I do know that our current immigration laws provide for tens of thousands of people to legally immigrate, so don't know how you square that with the US treating new arrivals as less worthy. In fact, newly arrived legal immigrants are provided with a multitude of resources to make their transition easier.

For that matter, illegal immigrants are provided with a host of resources both private and public as well. So I don't see why you take the leap from having a legitimate - albeit charged - conversation about immigration to nationalism/fascism. You don't see Wrestling Fan chasing hispanics down the street with a pitchfork, do you? THAT'S nationalism/fascism. He's just having a conversation.

Amnesty and reform don't necessarily have to go hand and hand. Why not allow illegal immigrants who have proven they could be positive members of society to just become citizens? There is no feasible scenario where illegal immigration will simply go away. It is also not clear exactly what (if any) negative impact on our society illegal immigration has. I find the thought idea of mass deportation, or the notion of complete amnesty to be extremely inside-the-box ways of thinking.

I agree that amnesty and reform don't have to go hand in hand, but like I said before, if you allow illegal immigrants to stay in the country without stiff punitive measures then you've done nothing to stop it from continuing to happen. That's what is going to happen, by the way. There are too many powerful forces wanting that to happen: both political parties and the business community.

Dude!

12-17-2009, 07:44 AM

deport everyone whose name
ends with a vowel other than e

WRESTLINGFAN

12-17-2009, 08:12 AM

More honest people?. Punish them as well as their dirtbag employers

http://www.lohud.com/article/20091217/NEWS05/912170410/12-charged-in-immigration-sting-at-Stewart-Airport

Ritalin

12-17-2009, 08:35 AM

(I ASSUME wrestlingfan doesn't have the pitchfork
out. I don't actually know for sure.)

Serpico1103

12-17-2009, 01:10 PM

So should the ACLU condone bankrobbers, after all maybe they just needed some money, Last time I checked Its illegal to rob a Bank

You fail to mention that my anger isnt just at the illegal aliens, but also their enablers, employers etc. I think you try to visualize anyone opposed to this problem hates Mexicans or brown people when the problem lies that the laws are not enforced, politicians look the other way and the illegals think that they have a right to be here Let the other countries deal with their problems, We should be tackling the illegal immigration problem here

The ACLU should ensure that bankrobbers have their constitutional rights? Understand?

I agree that the illegals should be prosecuted for crimes that commit and for the illegal act of crossing the border. I think employers and other enablers should be prosecuted. BUT, your inflammatory language is easily "mistaken" for hate and angry. People don't respond well to arguments made from anger, try rationale neutral language. Not insults or derogatory names for aliens.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-17-2009, 05:40 PM

The ACLU should ensure that bankrobbers have their constitutional rights? Understand?

I agree that the illegals should be prosecuted for crimes that commit and for the illegal act of crossing the border. I think employers and other enablers should be prosecuted. BUT, your inflammatory language is easily "mistaken" for hate and angry. People don't respond well to arguments made from anger, try rationale neutral language. Not insults or derogatory names for aliens.

Yes, their right to a trial. but they don't have a right to rob a bank. I call them illegal aliens because thats what they are. I rather not use the term undocumented workers

SatCam

12-17-2009, 06:57 PM

Yes, their right to a trial. but they don't have a right to rob a bank. I call them illegal aliens because thats what they are. I rather not use the term undocumented workers

theyre not aliens theyre people who work hard just like you and me except they use different words and their skin is brown and they dont flush toilet paper

Serpico1103

12-17-2009, 07:08 PM

Yes, their right to a trial. but they don't have a right to rob a bank. I call them illegal aliens because thats what they are. I rather not use the term undocumented workers

Illegal aliens is fine. But, your constant posts about how illegals are drunken criminals prancing around above the law comes off as a little prejudice. Also, your anger is not even thinly veiled. So, instead of having your viewpoint heard you are considered an anger racist.

I think the laws should be enforced. I don't buy the "they do the jobs we won't do" theory.

Syd

12-17-2009, 08:04 PM

Illegal aliens is fine. But, your constant posts about how illegals are drunken criminals prancing around above the law comes off as a little prejudice. Also, your anger is not even thinly veiled. So, instead of having your viewpoint heard you are considered an anger racist.

I think the laws should be enforced. I don't buy the "they do the jobs we won't do" theory.

They do jobs we don't want to -- good luck convincing people to do back breaking outdoor work for minimum wage (though odds are it's not even that much)

WRESTLINGFAN

12-18-2009, 02:50 AM

They do jobs we don't want to -- good luck convincing people to do back breaking outdoor work for minimum wage (though odds are it's not even that much)

Americans will do backbreaking work, However not at slave wages. These employers are raking in huge profits and to who's benefit?

I would gladly pay 30 cents more for lettuce knowing that hundreds of billions arent being squandered on entitlements for illegals

WRESTLINGFAN

12-18-2009, 02:51 AM

theyre not aliens theyre people who work hard just like you and me except they use different words and their skin is brown and they dont flush toilet paper

You forgot ,they snuck into the country

Syd

12-18-2009, 04:36 AM

These employers are raking in huge profits and to who's benefit?

The businesses themselves and the politicians who enable wage-slavery and overlook immigration reform in lieu of those huge profits.

Serpico1103

12-18-2009, 07:18 AM

They do jobs we don't want to -- good luck convincing people to do back breaking outdoor work for minimum wage (though odds are it's not even that much)

The employers will have to raise the wages until they attract employees. That is how the system works.
Sorry, you may have to pay more for your food. I hope it doesn't cut into your video game, cell phone, cable tv, entertainment budget.
Somehow lawns were getting mowed before landscapers started using only immigrants. I think we will survive. Even if it means we can no longer consume like gluttons.

Syd

12-18-2009, 08:56 AM

The employers will have to raise the wages until they attract employees. That is how the system works.
Sorry, you may have to pay more for your food. I hope it doesn't cut into your video game, cell phone, cable tv, entertainment budget.
Somehow lawns were getting mowed before landscapers started using only immigrants. I think we will survive. Even if it means we can no longer consume like gluttons.

I shop exclusively at union grocery stores and try to use as much union goods, services and so on and so forth. You don't have to convince me of paying more for helping out the middle class -- its the rest of America that doesn't want to pay $990 for an HDTV instead of $890.

Serpico1103

12-18-2009, 09:28 AM

I shop exclusively at union grocery stores and try to use as much union goods, services and so on and so forth. You don't have to convince me of paying more for helping out the middle class -- its the rest of America that doesn't want to pay $990 for an HDTV instead of $890.

Than they dont get HDTV.
Our problem is too many cheap goods, not a lack of them.
The drive to make everything cheaper has simply left us with an abundance of poorly made (and regarding food, unhealthy) products.
If you can't afford luxuries. Oh well, that is what makes them luxuries. I go into housing projects all the time (presumptuously poor people) and see people leasing new cars, watching cable tv on large tvs, while surfing the internet or talking on their cell phones. A lack of consumption is not our problem.

SonOfSmeagol

12-18-2009, 09:18 PM

I go into housing projects all the time (presumptuously poor people) and see people leasing new cars, watching cable tv on large tvs, while surfing the internet or talking on their cell phones. A lack of consumption is not our problem.

It would appear that poor choices by some individuals would be the problem here. People buying shit they don't need - with money they don't have or with entitlements much better spent elsewhere.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 04:35 AM

Amazing!! Bad enough we have our own homegrown lowlives trying to scam the system, These illegal scum are doing the same, We dont even know who many other illegals are committing fraud like this. This is the result of an open border and a government who refuses to do anything

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/12/18/20091218biz-desreports1218.html

Are these fucking judges crazy? This lowlife struck and killed a baby and he flees the scene and gets less than 2 years,

http://www.kval.com/news/local/79554062.html

Theres some good news on this illegal alien problem

http://wjz.com/local/county.tough.illegal.2.1373560.html

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 06:58 AM

It would appear that poor choices by some individuals would be the problem here. People buying shit they don't need - with money they don't have or with entitlements much better spent elsewhere.

I think that would describe a majority of Americans. Maybe people should reconsider how much they spend on food compared to what they spend on luxuries.
I think we spend less per capita on food than Europeans. I think that is less a reflection of a better functioning market and more a reflection of us being given poor food choices. Enabled by a government that allows corporations to feed us garbage labeled as food.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 08:24 AM

Its not just the priests we need to be worried about

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_sex_crimes.html

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 08:36 AM

Its not just the priests we need to be worried about

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_sex_crimes.html

I guess it is the same reason why our ancestors were such monsters. Anyone willing to risk everything to sail across the Atlantic is exhibiting anti-social behavior. They are more likely to commit horrible acts of violence.
So, anyone willing to risk criminal sanctions to come across the border is more likely to commit other crimes. Not a great leap.
But, since like all crimes we are victims to those we know, I am not afraid.
Maybe some of those people murdered and raped deserved it. They used illegal labor and suffered the consequences of paying low wages.
"Hire American. Don't Get Raped!"

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 08:42 AM

I guess it is the same reason way our ancestors were such monsters. Anyone willing to risk everything to sail across the Atlantic is exhibiting anti-social behavior. They are more likely to commit horrible acts of violence.
So, anyone willing to risk criminal sanctions to come across the border is more likely to commit other crimes. Not a great leap.
But, since like all crimes we are victims to those we know, I am not afraid.
Maybe some of those people murdered and raped deserved it. They used illegal labor and suffered the consequences of paying low wages.
"Hire American. Don't Get Raped!"

Again we have enough home grown filth here.

I would never allow some illegal who might be a fugitive from justice in their own country to clean my house, wash my car or do the landscaping. Those are things I do myself.

Cheap labor isnt cheap.

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 09:03 AM

Cheap labor isnt cheap.

DING DING DING!

Anyone who thinks unions asking for good wages are the problem deserves to be raped by a drunken illegal alien.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 09:13 AM

DING DING DING!

Anyone who thinks unions asking for good wages are the problem deserves to be raped by a drunken illegal alien.

Speaking of rape

More than likely he is an illegal alien since the horse industry employs illegals

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/12/19/2009-12-19_just_call_him_a_filly_fanatic.html

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 09:28 AM

Speaking of rape

More than likely he is an illegal alien since the horse industry employs illegals

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/12/19/2009-12-19_just_call_him_a_filly_fanatic.html

Do you read the articles?
He was not employed by the horse industry. Or at least I am guessing from the clause, "the unemployed Rivera."

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 09:30 AM

Do you read the articles?
He was not employed by the horse industry. Or at least I am guessing from the clause, "the unemployed Rivera."

Maybe at 1 time he did. He was living in a rented room, most likely hes an illegal

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 11:28 AM

Maybe at 1 time he did. He was living in a rented room, most likely hes an illegal

Another article about it said he had no affiliation with the track.
So, sexual deviant + rented room = illegal?

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 11:32 AM

Another article about it said he had no affiliation with the track.
So, sexual deviant + rented room = illegal?

More than likely. Most 18 year olds are still home living with their parents.

There is a huge problem with illegal aliens and sex crimes, as previously stated for example in a lot of States in Mexico the age of consent is as young as 12. The machismo culture fueled by excessive drinking is a perfect storm for many of them to come here to rape and pillage

GregoryJoseph

12-19-2009, 11:34 AM

More than likely. Most 18 year olds are still home living with their parents

On this board most 28 year olds are...

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 11:50 AM

More than likely. Most 18 year olds are still home living with their parents.

There is a huge problem with illegal aliens and sex crimes, as previously stated for example in a lot of States in Mexico the age of consent is as young as 12. The machismo culture fueled by excessive drinking is a perfect storm for many of them to come here to rape and pillage

"Rape and pillage." Funny.

So, maybe it is their not respecting our culture that is the problem. The way Americans do not like to respect other cultures when they visit them.
If you want to take about "rape and pillage" I think Americans are way ahead of every other country in the world- past and present actions.
Again, laws about illegal immigration should be enforced. But, your drunken, sex crazed, vehicular homicidal manic hysteria is a distraction.

WRESTLINGFAN

12-19-2009, 12:01 PM

"Rape and pillage." Funny.

So, maybe it is their not respecting our culture that is the problem. The way Americans do not like to respect other cultures when they visit them.
If you want to take about "rape and pillage" I think Americans are way ahead of every other country in the world- past and present actions.
Again, laws about illegal immigration should be enforced. But, your drunken, sex crazed, vehicular homicidal manic hysteria is a distraction.

Distraction?

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Roadkillers:+unlicensed,+drunk-driving+illegal+aliens+are+killing...-a0162183989

http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 12:07 PM

Maybe people should reconsider how much they spend on food compared to what they spend on luxuries.
I think we spend less per capita on food than Europeans. I think that is less a reflection of a better functioning market and more a reflection of us being given poor food choices. Enabled by a government that allows corporations to feed us garbage labeled as food.

Not clear on your point here. I think it costs no more to eat healthy here in the US than to eat unhealthy. In fact, it probably actually costs less to eat healthy. Also, we probably have the most advanced food safety and disclosure/labeling system in the world. It comes down to individual choice. The gov’t is not forcing or enabling people to make bad choices. People have many more choices here relative to the rest of the world and that will always be a good thing. People are responsible for their individual actions, choices, and consequences. Not the gov’t.

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 12:40 PM

Not clear on your point here. I think it costs no more to eat healthy here in the US than to eat unhealthy. In fact, it probably actually costs less to eat healthy. Also, we probably have the most advanced food safety and disclosure/labeling system in the world. It comes down to individual choice. The gov’t is not forcing or enabling people to make bad choices. People have many more choices here relative to the rest of the world and that will always be a good thing. People are responsible for their individual actions, choices, and consequences. Not the gov’t.

The US allows many more chemicals into our food supply than other countries.
How much does a steak from a naturally raised cow cost compared to a steak from a cow fed corn (which a cow is not designed to eat) and shot up with hormones and antibiotics?
The naturally raised steak is more expensive because instead of punishing the negative behavior of these cow farms, the government encourages it.
If you think that "being responsible for your own choices" is anything more than a catch phrase you are mistaken.
A system based on individual choice only works if you live on an island by yourself. Or you prefer chaos. Because your individual choices impact others.
My concern is not for other people's health (yes they can die of obesity, tough shit), my concern is for the drain that puts on society.

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 01:51 PM

The naturally raised steak is more expensive because instead of punishing the negative behavior of these cow farms, the government encourages it.
If you think that "being responsible for your own choices" is anything more than a catch phrase you are mistaken.
A system based on individual choice only works if you live on an island by yourself. Or you prefer chaos. Because your individual choices impact others.

You want organic, buy organic. It's more expensive and you will spend more on your food, which was your desire in your original point. You want something else - look at the label. Choice is a catch phrase? Island? Chaos? I have no idea what you're talking about. You can choose to make/grow/raise/sell something, and I can choose to trade for it, or not. This real world system that we actually live in works just fine for me every day, and my choices do not impact you at all.

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 02:09 PM

You want organic, buy organic. It's more expensive and you will spend more on your food, which was your desire in your original point. You want something else - look at the label. Choice is a catch phrase? Island? Chaos? I have no idea what you're talking about. You can choose to make/grow/raise/sell something, and I can choose to trade for it, or not. This real world system that we actually live in works just fine for me every day, and my choices do not impact you at all.

If you don't think the government "helps" you make your choices than I can not begin to discuss this with you.
When you make a choice to buy food. Do you read the label? Do you understand the label? Do you research the company and their environmental and labor practices? Do you know what government incentives or disincentives were involved?I will guess your choice is not an intelligent one. So, what kind of choice is it.
I am not for banning anything. I think everything should be legal (food, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, guns), but I am disagreeing with the way the government currently regulates these things.
Everyone of your choices impact others. If you are late to work, you think only you feel the effect? It must be a lonely world were you don't think you impact others: both directly and indirectly.

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 02:59 PM

If you don't think the government "helps" you make your choices than I can not begin to discuss this with you.
When you make a choice to buy food. Do you read the label? Do you understand the label? Do you research the company and their environmental and labor practices? Do you know what government incentives or disincentives were involved?I will guess your choice is not an intelligent one. So, what kind of choice is it.
I am not for banning anything. I think everything should be legal (food, drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, guns), but I am disagreeing with the way the government currently regulates these things.
Everyone of your choices impact others. If you are late to work, you think only you feel the effect? It must be a lonely world were you don't think you impact others: both directly and indirectly.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Every choice is unique and involves cost/benefit and risk/reward. To say that it's not an intelligent process is not only wrong, but it's such a broad brush that the statement has no meaning. You're worrying much too much about the food supply - again I say buy what you want - it's all out there. Also, you complain that the gov't makes the choices for us now, but at the same time you call for more and/or different control. I really see no problem or issue here other than your personal concern about food, and as I've said that's easily solved.

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 03:53 PM

I have no idea what you're talking about. Every choice is unique and involves cost/benefit and risk/reward. To say that it's not an intelligent process is not only wrong, but it's such a broad brush that the statement has no meaning. You're worrying much too much about the food supply - again I say buy what you want - it's all out there. Also, you complain that the gov't makes the choices for us now, but at the same time you call for more and/or different control. I really see no problem or issue here other than your personal concern about food, and as I've said that's easily solved.

I am not so much for more regulation, as I am for putting the government behind healthy food the way it is currently behind unhealthy food.
Corn, wheat, and rice are all heavily subsidized. They are unhealthy foods.
If cattle ranchers were not allowed to continue their unhealthy practices, good healthy meat would be cheaper. It would not be a rare luxury. Unfortunately, when you have to compete with ranchers that are allowed to pollute and contaminate, how can an ethical rancher survive?
I realize we have derailed this thread. Back to WrestlingFans point- "Illegals are to hunted and slaughtered." Or something like that.

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 04:16 PM

...Corn, wheat, and rice are all heavily subsidized. They are unhealthy foods.
...I realize we have derailed this thread. Back to WrestlingFans point- "Illegals are to hunted and slaughtered." Or something like that.

Well, I think it's more like "Illegals are, after all, 'illegal' and should stay the fuck out". Hard to argue with that. It's socialists that need to be hunted and slaughtered.

corn, wheat and rice unhealthy? huh?

Ritalin

12-19-2009, 04:19 PM

Well, I think it's more like "Illegals are, after all, 'illegal' and should stay the fuck out". Hard to argue with that. It's socialists that need to be hunted and slaughtered.

corn, wheat and rice unhealthy? huh?

Lemme ask you a question: do you take a tax deduction on your mortgage interest?

Yeah, that's what I thought. You're a goddamn socialist.

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 04:47 PM

corn, wheat and rice unhealthy? huh?

Yes.
From that I can assume you know nothing about nutrition. What nutritional value does consumer corn, wheat, and rice provide?
When did humans start eating corn, wheat, and rice?

I guess you think that a bowl of pasta the night before a race is a good idea. Use those complex carbs as energy?
Let me check my calendar, see if this is the 70's.

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 04:54 PM

Lemme ask you a question: do you take a tax deduction on your mortgage interest?

Yeah, that's what I thought. You're a goddamn socialist.

Insults will get ya nowhere.

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 04:55 PM

Yes.
From that I can assume you know nothing about nutrition. What nutritional value does consumer corn, wheat, and rice provide?
When did humans start eating corn, wheat, and rice?

I guess you think that a bowl of pasta the night before a race is a good idea. Use those complex carbs as energy?
Let me check my calendar, see if this is the 70's.

I'm starting to think a little "free-range Serpico" might be tasty. And good for you too!

Serpico1103

12-19-2009, 04:59 PM

I'm starting to think a little "free-range Serpico" might be tasty. And good for you too!

Certainly much healthier than wheat, corn, or rice. And not full of steroids or antibiotics.

Soylent green?

SonOfSmeagol

12-19-2009, 05:18 PM

Actually that was the first movie I ever saw at a drive-in, in 1974. Memorable.

epo

12-20-2009, 06:15 AM

The greatest strength of America is that people want to live there (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15108634)

The stakes are high. Immigration keeps America young, strong and growing. “The populations of Europe, Russia and Japan are declining, and those of China and India are levelling off. The United States alone among great powers will be increasing its share of world population over time,” predicts Michael Lind of the New America Foundation, a think-tank. By 2050, there could be 500m Americans; by 2100, a billion. That means America could remain the pre-eminent nation for longer than many people expect. “Relying on the import of money, workers, and brains,” writes Mr Lind, America is “a Ponzi scheme that works.”

Once again the theme is obvious, if you want the US to remain the power that it is...immigration is your friend.

foodcourtdruide

12-20-2009, 09:12 AM

The greatest strength of America is that people want to live there (http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15108634)

Once again the theme is obvious, if you want the US to remain the power that it is...immigration is your friend.

Yes, but wouldn't it be smarter to spend billions of dollars deporting illegal immigrants and turning the United States into a fortress? This way we can get rid of the REAL threat to our great country: Telemundo!

epo

12-20-2009, 09:15 AM

Yes, but wouldn't it be smarter to spend billions of dollars deporting illegal immigrants and turning the United States into a fortress? This way we can get rid of the REAL threat to our great country: Telemundo!

Get Manzanita Sol out of my grocery store! That's space we could be using to sell more Fresca!

foodcourtdruide

12-20-2009, 09:18 AM

Get Manzanita Sol out of my grocery store! That's space we could be using to sell more Fresca!

Yes, turning a cheap labor force, who was educated in another country at no cost to us, into legal citizens that will pay proper income taxes and reduce the amount of crime committed because of their status sounds tempting.... BUT I WANT MY BUS BOYS TO SPEAK PERFECT ENGLISH! PERFECT ENGLISH!!!!!#!@#!@#!@#@!

badmonkey

12-21-2009, 10:44 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

12-21-2009, 12:40 PM

Fixed the part you can't seem to understand.

America with a billion people will be another India

WRESTLINGFAN

12-26-2009, 07:14 AM

As much as I oppose illegal immigration this parody is atrocious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p6wu7QakuQ

GregoryJoseph

12-26-2009, 07:18 AM

As much as I oppose illegal immigration this parody is atrocious

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p6wu7QakuQ

Is that from Airsick's "A Very Filthy XXXMas"?

WRESTLINGFAN

12-27-2009, 07:34 AM

The taxpayers of Mamaroneck were screwed over by some lowlife judge back in 2007, Now this center for illegals isnt even used, they still are outside urinating, harassing people, drinking and being public nuisances

http://www.lohud.com/article/20091227/NEWS02/912270352/Mamaroneck-day-laborer-hiring-site-still-underused

Recyclerz

12-27-2009, 06:16 PM

The taxpayers of Mamaroneck were screwed over by some lowlife judge back in 2007, Now this center for illegals isnt even used, they still are outside urinating, harassing people, drinking and being public nuisances

Sounds like an ideal location for the next RonFez.Net get together. It could probably be had cheap and our behavior wouldn't stand out from what the neighbors have come to expect. :wink:

WRESTLINGFAN

01-06-2010, 05:21 PM

Bullet beats rocks. Stupid illegal loses

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/01/04/20100104fatal-border-shooting-ON.html

WRESTLINGFAN

01-10-2010, 08:11 AM

Man claims to be an illegal to avoid murder charges

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ilegal-claim-murder-charge,0,1633114.story?track=rss

epo

01-10-2010, 08:15 AM

Man claims to be an illegal to avoid murder charges

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-ilegal-claim-murder-charge,0,1633114.story?track=rss

That seems to be "a guy being an asshole" problem, not an immigration problem to me.

Ritalin

01-12-2010, 08:17 AM

Throwing Wrestling Fan a bone:

Illegal aliens sleeping in LI woods
HUNTINGTON STATION, N.Y. (AP) -- A dozen Latino day laborers living in the woods of a New York suburb can't stay in the local county's long-term emergency housing because they are undocumented.

Suffolk County officials said Friday that the legal status of the men living in tents in the woods of Huntington Station makes them ineligible for county housing.

Department of Social Services Deputy Commissioner Ed Hernandez says the state doesn't reimburse the county for housing undocumented immigrants.

In recent days, the temperatures have plummeted on Long Island. On Friday, the high was about 32 degrees.

Hernandez says he doesn't know where the men should live.

One of them, Nino Bonilla, says a tent in the woods is his only option.

Dude!

01-12-2010, 08:20 AM

One of them, Nino Bonilla, says a tent in the woods is his only option.

option 2, Nino...
warm and sunny Mexico

WRESTLINGFAN

01-12-2010, 09:15 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 09:32 AM

We can argue back ad forth about crime stastistics/effect on economy/education system etc. However there can be no arguement that the immigrants from Europe risked their life crossng the Atlantic, long waits and many diffuculties to be processed thru Ellis Island. They did earn their right to become citizens There were no entitlements. What is happening today is mobrule. If people want to come here and succeed, the base of everything is to follow the law and not break the line.

underdog

01-13-2010, 09:34 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 09:44 AM

So what you're saying is that it's safe and easy to come here illegally from Central America?

Im saying that illegal means illegal. I dont care if they pay a coyote to smuggle them across the border. I really dont care if they climb a fence and die of dehydration in the desert. They know what they are doing is illegal. I have no pity for someone who breaks into a house and gets mangled by a rottweiler. Its the same damn thing

west milly Tom

01-13-2010, 09:50 AM

There won't be any illegals anymore if the democrats get their way. Next thing on the agenda is Amnesty that way they can get in on the free health care too.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 10:02 AM

There won't be any illegals anymore if the democrats get their way. Next thing on the agenda is Amnesty that way they can get in on the free health care too.

Wilson was correct when he told Barry that he lied. The bill doesnt take effect until 2013 Those skunks Schumer and Guiterrez are planning another mass shamnesty bill

underdog

01-13-2010, 10:16 AM

Im saying that illegal means illegal. I dont care if they pay a coyote to smuggle them across the border. I really dont care if they climb a fence and die of dehydration in the desert. They know what they are doing is illegal. I have no pity for someone who breaks into a house and gets mangled by a rottweiler. Its the same damn thing

We can argue back ad forth about crime stastistics/effect on economy/education system etc. However there can be no arguement that the immigrants from Europe risked their life crossng the Atlantic, long waits and many diffuculties to be processed thru Ellis Island. They did earn their right to become citizens There were no entitlements. What is happening today is mobrule. If people want to come here and succeed, the base of everything is to follow the law and not break the line.

Didn't you just say that the European immigrants were fine?

underdog

01-13-2010, 10:16 AM

There won't be any illegals anymore if the democrats get their way. Next thing on the agenda is Amnesty that way they can get in on the free health care too.

Source?

I don't even know why I bother asking you to actually back up anything you say.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 10:31 AM

Didn't you just say that the European immigrants were fine?

The Europeans didnt sneak in

Serpico1103

01-13-2010, 10:33 AM

The Europeans didnt sneak in

SO, you are in favor of immigrants who come into the country to murder and steal, like the Europeans?

underdog

01-13-2010, 10:36 AM

The Europeans didnt sneak in

My dirty family did.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 10:38 AM

Source?

I don't even know why I bother asking you to actually back up anything you say.

HERES YOUR SOURCES!!!!

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/21/schumer-pushes-legalization-effort/

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/22198659/detail.html

Whenever reform is spewed out in Washington DC, its basically another bloated gov't program doomed to fail

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 10:39 AM

SO, you are in favor of immigrants who come into the country to murder and steal, like the Europeans?

The Central Americans are doing the looting raping murdering today.

Serpico1103

01-13-2010, 10:43 AM

The Central Americans are doing the looting raping murdering today

Following the European example. I guess because so many people defend the tactics of the European immigrants that murdered and stole, the new immigrants think it is proper behavior.

I am sure the Indians would have rather dealt with Central American immigrants than the genocidal European immigrants.

underdog

01-13-2010, 10:44 AM

The Central Americans are doing the looting raping murdering today.

And the landscaping.

Dude!

01-13-2010, 10:45 AM

Following the European example. I guess because so many people defend the tactics of the European immigrants that murdered and stole, the new immigrants think it is proper behavior.

I am sure the Indians would have rather dealtl with Central American immigrants than the genocidal European immigrants.

the Indians were always
attacking and scalping first
it was self-defense for the english

Serpico1103

01-13-2010, 11:01 AM

the Indians were always
attacking and scalping first
it was self-defense for the english

To accept your version for sake of argument.

Indians were attacking invaders? How dare they.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 11:42 AM

And the landscaping.

And receiving entitlements

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 11:43 AM

Following the European example. I guess because so many people defend the tactics of the European immigrants that murdered and stole, the new immigrants think it is proper behavior.

I am sure the Indians would have rather dealt with Central American immigrants than the genocidal European immigrants.

Central Americans are Indians. IE Aztec, Mayans

Serpico1103

01-13-2010, 11:48 AM

Central Americans are Indians. IE Aztec, Mayans

Thanks. But, they were not located in what we now call the United States.

Same way if Germans started to move into Poland and kill thousands if not millions of people.
The Poles and Germans are both Europeans, but I do not think it would be seen as an internal conflict.
If Aztecs moved into the land we call the United States and did what the Europeans did, it would not be considered an internal problem. But, a war between nations.

Dude!

01-13-2010, 11:48 AM

Indians were attacking invaders? How dare they.

Exactly the point

so shouldn't we be able
to attack and scalp
the illegal invaders too?

Serpico1103

01-13-2010, 11:50 AM

Exactly the point

so shouldn't we be able
to attack and scalp
the illegal invaders too?

No. The Indians should be allowed to kill everyone.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 12:04 PM

Exactly the point

so shouldn't we be able
to attack and scalp
the illegal invaders too?

They would cry and sue you. They might be illiterate but they aren't stupid, they know how to work the system

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 12:43 PM

While Im glad this illegal POS got the maximum, i am disgusted that his dirtbag employer who knowingly hired him did not face any punishment as she also broke the law

http://www.lohud.com/article/20100113/NEWS01/1130361/Drunk-driver-gets-maximum-sentence-in-Brewster-mother/daughter-fatal

opie's twisted balls

01-13-2010, 12:44 PM

SO, you are in favor of immigrants who come into the country to murder and steal, like the Europeans?
It worked out fine for me :)

west milly Tom

01-13-2010, 01:53 PM

HERES YOUR SOURCES!!!!

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/may/21/schumer-pushes-legalization-effort/

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/22198659/detail.html

Whenever reform is spewed out in Washington DC, its basically another bloated gov't program doomed to fail

Thank you sir. I guess all of my false statements and regurgitated fox news speak wasn't too far off.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-13-2010, 02:03 PM

Thank you sir. I guess all of my false statements and regurgitated fox news speak wasn't too far off.

Dont forget the "teabaggers"

Just let them try to ram this thru People thought the healthcare debate was intense? With 17% unemployment this won't go well. No American should ever compete with some schlub who hopped a fence

west milly Tom

01-13-2010, 02:20 PM

Dont forget the "teabaggers"

Just let them try to ram this thru People thought the healthcare debate was intense? With 17% unemployment this won't go well. No American should ever compete with some schlub who hopped a fence

I'm pretty sure they have spent all their political capitol with health care. I don't see it happening.

underdog

01-13-2010, 02:21 PM

Thank you sir. I guess all of my false statements and regurgitated fox news speak wasn't too far off.

Well, there's one source for your statements. Only 700 more to go.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-14-2010, 09:00 AM

Couldnt have said it better myself

http://www.barnesville.com/archives/1890-Illegal-Immigration-A-Crime-That-Pays.html

WRESTLINGFAN

01-18-2010, 07:36 AM

I suggest these dopes leave their cars unlocked with the ignition running and their homes unlocked

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583203,00.html?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r4:c0. 000000:b0:z5

Serpico1103

01-26-2010, 08:04 AM

NOGALES, Ariz. — An illegal immigrant who rescued a 9-year-old after the boy's mother died in a car accident in the southern Arizona desert was honored Tuesday by U.S. and Mexican officials at a border crossing.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2004053361_rescue05.html

Illegals, saving our children one at a time.

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 08:07 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 08:56 AM

WRESTLINGFAN? Any opinion on this?

Thats like a bankrobber giving a scared teller CPR after she collapses

Dude!

01-26-2010, 08:57 AM

WRESTLINGFAN? Any opinion on this?

the 'accident' was clearly staged
look for more of these staged events
to make mexicans look like heros
disgraceful

Jujubees2

01-26-2010, 08:59 AM

the 'accident' was clearly staged
look for more of these staged events
to make mexicans look like heros
disgraceful

Is that what you've been hearing at LordJezo's gym?

Jujubees2

01-26-2010, 09:00 AM

Thats like a bankrobber giving a scared teller CPR after she collapses

And the bankrobber get arrested afterwards...

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 09:01 AM

Heres more of them terrorizing Americans

http://www.wect.com/global/story.asp?s=11880723

http://www.lakegenevanews.net/Articles-i-2010-01-21-241906.112112_Illegal_immigrant_sentenced_followin g_fatal_crash.html

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=352846

NJ looks like its on the right track

http://www.app.com/article/20100107/NEWS03/100107123/0/ENT&source=rss

Cant do the time, dont do the crime
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=bc96e9bf40ad9ac97a78d ba165ea2448&from=rss

As far as the 200k Haitian illegals here. Why would we allow them to stay here for 18 months? That means they will be here forever. They should be deported back and rebuild their country. The recipient class just got expanded

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 09:02 AM

And the bankrobber get arrested afterwards...

The illegal shouldnt be rewarded !!!

Jujubees2

01-26-2010, 09:11 AM

The illegal shouldnt be rewarded !!!

He wasn't. He was sent back to Mexico.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 09:18 AM

He wasn't. He was sent back to Mexico.

He'll be back in a month

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 09:56 AM

I was hoping the response would be something more like:

"Yes, I see the error of my ways. These are all isolated incidents and there is no correlation between these crimes or acts of courage and their immigration status."

Oh well...

underdog

01-26-2010, 10:15 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 10:37 AM

This is the same guy who claims he's a libertarian. You're not going to get him to admit anything.

he did a good thing but does that entitle him to stay? The couple hundred of billion it would cost to deport all these illegals can be used by shutting down the Dept of Education. Its not needed and a waste of money. YES IM A LIBERTARIAN!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 10:38 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 10:46 AM

The rest of the country should follow AZ's lead as illegal aliens have decimated that state

PHOENIX, Arizona, United States—Arizona could become the first state in the country to criminalize undocumented immigrants.

A bill moving fast through the Arizona Senate would allow local police to arrest and incarcerate someone for “trespassing” into the territory of the state.

“The federal government is not doing its job so we’re going to do it,” said Senator Russell Pearce (Republican-Mesa), author of the bill, which is called the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhood Act.

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 10:58 AM

What part of "illegal alien" arent you getting?

So there is a correlation between violent crimes and people who speed or drive without their seatbelt? What part of "moving violation" do you not get?

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 11:01 AM

he did a good thing but does that entitle him to stay? The couple hundred of billion it would cost to deport all these illegals can be used by shutting down the Dept of Education. Its not needed and a waste of money. YES IM A LIBERTARIAN!!!

I support a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled. You guessed it, I'm a capitalist.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:01 AM

So there is a correlation between violent crimes and people who speed or drive without their seatbelt? What part of "moving violation" do you not get?

If someone gets caught speeding they get a summons. Why should the illegal be allowed to stay? Why isn't he being kicked out? Why are you making exceptions for them?

You love them so much, I advise you to keep your door unlocked and have loudspeakers blasting in Spanish, Enter my house and stay as long as you want.

Ritalin

01-26-2010, 11:02 AM

Two things:

- I like how they called it the "Safe Neighborhood" act, as if there weren't any strung out white meth heads in Arizona.

- How are they going to enforce it? I guess the only way is to check immigration status on people who are already in custody for some reason.

Do they check the parents of children who enroll in school? What happens when it's kids=legal/parents=illegal, or the dreaded "ANCHOR BABY" scenario?

That law would force the State of Arizona to break up families, because like it or not, even if you changed the criterion for citizenship those kids are citizens.

Now what?

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:03 AM

I support a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled. You guessed it, I'm a capitalist.

Even though there's a huge group of people that will never have any effect on my life, it's all I talk about. I think more government dollars should be wasted on the problem. I'm a libertarian.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:03 AM

I support a social structure in which classes are abolished and property is commonly controlled. You guessed it, I'm a capitalist.

That doesnt sound like capitalism to be. Thats more like anarchy

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:05 AM

Do they check the parents of children who enroll in school? What happens when it's kids=legal/parents=illegal, or the dreaded "ANCHOR BABY" scenario?

That law would force the State of Arizona to break up families, because like it or not, even if you changed the criterion for citizenship those kids are citizens.

Now what?

If one person is illegal, what kind of family is that anyway? Those illegal parents shouldn't be raising kids! fuck 'em! Break up the family and send them back! Grr! Immigrants make me irrationally mad for no reason at all!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:06 AM

Even though there's a huge group of people that will never have any effect on my life, it's all I talk about. I think more government dollars should be wasted on the problem. I'm a libertarian.

It has effected me as I am seeing once nice villages and towns being turned into slums. Port Chester, Mt Kisco,, Spring Valley etc.

I guess youre not affected by the taxes they are sucking out of you. Again. READ MY POST. Get rid of the Dept of Education, streamline the defense budget and other bureaucracies and that would help fix the problem by using that money to KICK THEM OUT!!!!

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 11:08 AM

If someone gets caught speeding they get a summons. Why should the illegal be allowed to stay? Why isn't he being kicked out? Why are you making exceptions for them?

You love them so much, I advise you to keep your door unlocked and have loudspeakers blasting in Spanish, Enter my house and stay as long as you want.

Deportation will not work for so many reasons. It's an incredibly simple answer to an incredibly complex problem. If you truly wanted to prevent speeding, you could take anyone caught speedings car away (this will save many more lives than mass deportation of all illegal immigrants), but that isn't practical. Do you see wehre I'm going?

And everytime someone supports something they should put up a loud speaker and invite people into their homes? Fine, since you hate the department of education so much why don't you do the same for schooling?

Also, you realize there are non-spanish speaking illegal immigrants, right?

Ritalin

01-26-2010, 11:09 AM

Even though there's a huge group of people that will never have any effect on my life, it's all I talk about. I think more government dollars should be wasted on the problem. I'm a libertarian.

I do give them credit for at least identifying what they think is a problem and suggesting some kind of solution for it - for better or worse. The nihilistic tea baggers just want to sit around and do nothing.

I read an interesting article on Reason the other day that proposed that the best way for the limited government people to reach their goal is to get better at government. In other words, figure out a better way to "fill the potholes" and government can get smaller and cheaper.

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:09 AM

It has effected me as I am seeing once nice villages and towns being turned into slums. Port Chester, Mt Kisco,, Spring Valley etc.

I guess youre not affected by the taxes they are sucking out of you. Again. READ MY POST. Get rid of the Dept of Education, streamline the defense budget and other bureaucracies and that would help fix the problem by using that money to KICK THEM OUT!!!!

How about just letting them in and live their life in peace? Sorry, that's just the fascist in me talking.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:09 AM

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:10 AM

Deportation will not work for so many reasons. It's an incredibly simple answer to an incredibly complex problem. If you truly wanted to prevent speeding, you could take anyone caught speedings car away (this will save many more lives than mass deportation of all illegal immigrants), but that isn't practical. Do you see wehre I'm going?

And everytime someone supports something they should put up a loud speaker and invite people into their homes? Fine, since you hate the department of education so much why don't you do the same for schooling?

Also, you realize there are non-spanish speaking illegal immigrants, right?

What if we built some sort of wall?

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 11:11 AM

What if we built some sort of wall?

That sounds like an incredibly cheap solution that will not require a gigantic increase in our federal government.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:12 AM

How about just letting them in and live their life in peace? Sorry, that's just the fascist in me talking.

How about enforcing laws? Letting them live their life in peace while turning these communities into slums? What entitles them to come here and leech off the taxpayer?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:14 AM

What if we built some sort of wall?

Please go back and read all my posts. I want every nationality of illegals deported. Russians, Chinese, Irish too

The overwhelming Majority of illegals, however are from Latin America

Conclusion. White, Yellow, Brown. Kick them all out!!!!!

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:15 AM

How about enforcing laws? Letting them live their life in peace while turning these communities into slums? What entitles them to come here and leech off the taxpayer?

Please go back and read all my posts. I want every nationality of illegals deported. Russians, Chinese, Irish too

The overwhelming Majority of illegals, however are from Latin America

Conclusion. White, Yellow, Brown. Kick them all out!!!!!

How about we all get the fuck out and give the country back to the Native Americans?

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:15 AM

That sounds like an incredibly cheap solution that will not require a gigantic increase in our federal government.

What if we hire illegals to do it?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:17 AM

How about we all get the fuck out and give the country back to the Native Americans?

Youre going to deport yourself? Which country would you want to go to?

underdog

01-26-2010, 11:20 AM

Youre going to deport yourself? Which country would you want to go to?

I'll go live illegally in France or Spain.

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 11:21 AM

those damn brown people think they can wander all over this continent! What bullshit, we white people rightfully control north america!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:23 AM

those damn brown people think they can wander all over this continent! What bullshit, we white people rightfully control north america!

You think your fences and locked doors allows you to keep whoever you want out of your house? Wheres your hospitality?

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 11:25 AM

You think your fences and locked doors allows you to keep whoever you want out of your house? Wheres your hospitality?

I love vacationing in Mexico, I can just go into anywhere I want and raid the fridge!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:30 AM

Any chance of Amnesty wont go anywhere. That Pesky new Senator from Mass is in the way

Last weeks victory was a big F U to Schumer and Gutierrez

:clap:

Ritalin

01-26-2010, 11:33 AM

Amazing how you open borders people come up with other scenarios. Arrest the meth heads. As far as families, the illegals made the choice of coming here. Im all for family reunification. in their own countries

Who said I was an "open border" person?

Your answer on the children/school scenario was the usual swing and a miss. You can't pass a law that would orphan American citizens.

Ritalin

01-26-2010, 11:36 AM

Any chance of Amnesty wont go anywhere. That Pesky new Senator from Mass is in the way

Last weeks victory was a big F U to Schumer and Gutierrez

:clap:

You're not paying very close attention. Repubs would love to pass an amnesty bill. Don't you remember Bush tried it, only he called it "guest worker".

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:39 AM

Who said I was an "open border" person?

Your answer on the children/school scenario was the usual swing and a miss. You can't pass a law that would orphan American citizens.

The 14th ammendment was never meant for Jackpot babies to be automatic American citizens. Furthermore it was the Supreme court which ruled that Public schools must educate jackpot babies. At the very least this should have been up to the states to decide. This is why the federal gov't should have no say in public schools since local taxes fund them

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:40 AM

You're not paying very close attention. Repubs would love to pass an amnesty bill. Don't you remember Bush tried it, only he called it "guest worker".

And I was opposed to that. The bill was drafted by that ole maverick from Arizona and the dead drunk from Mass.

Reagan signed that 1986 bill but the stipulation was that congress was supposed to live up to its end. They never did and 20+ years later we are worse off

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 11:44 AM

The 14th ammendment was never meant for Jackpot babies to be automatic American citizens. Furthermore it was the Supreme court which ruled that Public schools must educate jackpot babies. At the very least this should have been up to the states to decide. This is why the federal gov't should have no say in public schools since local taxes fund them

oh really? What does the 14th amendment mean by this,

nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:47 AM

oh really? What does the 14th amendment mean by this,

?

Read into it more. Just like the general welfare clause doesnt mean there should be welfare

http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html

The Democratic party wants a new base of non contributors and an expanded recipient class. The country club GOP dead weight like McCain, Crist, Newt , Graham and the NeoCons wants the cheap labor, but in the end we all pay more

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 11:58 AM

Read into it more. Just like the general welfare clause doesnt mean there should be welfare

http://federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiting_subject_to_the_jurisdiction.html

The Democratic party wants a new base of non contributors and an expanded recipient class. The country club GOP dead weight like McCain, Crist, Newt , Graham and the NeoCons wants the cheap labor, but in the end we all pay more

Ok I guess the first amendement really is for corporations too.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 11:59 AM

Ok I guess the first amendement really is for corporations too.

Or labor unions ?

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 12:03 PM

is that what "reading into it" does, allow whatever "you" decide that it really means?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 12:06 PM

is that what "reading into it" does, allow whatever "you" decide that it really means?

Yes it does. As a taxpayer, and as an American Citizen who is financing these people and their illegal activity through wealth redistribution. as a property owner I can decide who I want to let in and keep out

Crispy123

01-26-2010, 12:12 PM

Yes it does. As a taxpayer, and as an American Citizen who is financing these people and their illegal activity through wealth redistribution. as a property owner I can decide who I want to let in and keep out

I would think a "libertarian" would want people to read less into the founding documents of this country.

I would also find it hard to beleive the people who set up this country that fled their countries for this one illegally would intentionally deny that opportunity to anyone else.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 12:18 PM

I would think a "libertarian" would want people to read less into the founding documents of this country.

I would also find it hard to beleive the people who set up this country that fled their countries for this one illegally would intentionally deny that opportunity to anyone else.

The founders set up the constitution so that it could be ammended. Youre so passionate about legalizing them and letting everyone in. Start a petition, maybe lobby congress if theres a super majority in both houses and 2/3rds of the states ratify it, then Mazel tov.

underdog

01-26-2010, 12:27 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 12:31 PM

I doubt you own property.

Want to see my mortgage statement?

underdog

01-26-2010, 12:35 PM

Want to see my mortgage statement?

Is that a euphemism?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 12:52 PM

Is that a euphemism?

5.5% Interest aint too shabby

Zorro

01-26-2010, 01:32 PM

How about we all get the fuck out and give the country back to the Native Americans?

I'd rather they get casinos

booster11373

01-26-2010, 02:28 PM

5.5% Interest aint too shabby

Just imagine how much lower it would have been if it wasnt for all these damn immagants!!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 02:44 PM

Just imagine how much lower it would have been if it wasnt for all these damn immagants!!!!

They turned your state of NC into a toilet.

booster11373

01-26-2010, 02:49 PM

They turned your state of NC into a toilet.

No the hog industry did that

foodcourtdruide

01-26-2010, 03:21 PM

SonOfSmeagol

01-26-2010, 03:43 PM

If you live here and don't pay taxes, chances are you're still using some services that the taxpayers provide.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-26-2010, 04:27 PM

If you live here and don't pay taxes, chances are you're still using some services that the taxpayers provide.

Not to mention all the jackpot babies they pump out. They dont pay a fucking dime. We also have to subsidize their education, food stamps lunch programs, healthcare and other goodies

http://www.examiner.com/x-11780-Bay-Area-Moderate-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d29-ILLEGAL-aliens-cost-taxpayers-billions?cid=edition-by-channel-rss-San_Francisco-Politics

I think we should move to Latin America and take up space in those haciendas they built with untaxed earnings and remittances

booster11373

01-26-2010, 05:01 PM

Not to mention all the jackpot babies they pump out. They dont pay a fucking dime. We also have to subsidize their education, food stamps lunch programs, healthcare and other goodies

http://www.examiner.com/x-11780-Bay-Area-Moderate-Conservative-Examiner~y2009m11d29-ILLEGAL-aliens-cost-taxpayers-billions?cid=edition-by-channel-rss-San_Francisco-Politics

I think we should move to Latin America and take up space in those haciendas they built with untaxed earnings and remittances

Do Jackpot babies come with a ring of cheese?

Ritalin

01-26-2010, 06:34 PM

Do Jackpot babies come with a ring of cheese?

jackpot babies eat all the cheese. For free, and I'm paying for it. I'm
paying for the cheese, but I can't even get any because all the recently pumped out jackpot babies eat it all.

Misteriosa

01-26-2010, 06:50 PM

Do Jackpot babies come with a ring of cheese?

fucking starving...

epo

01-26-2010, 06:55 PM

It has never been proven that illegal immigrants end up costing the tax payer money.

It is generally understood that illegal immigrants are the only segment of society that our government actually makes money from.

weekapaugjz

01-26-2010, 06:57 PM

It is generally understood that illegal immigrants are the only segment of society that our government actually makes money from.

that's interesting. i've never heard that before. do you have any links or articles about it?

epo

01-26-2010, 07:03 PM

As Congress in 2007 debated a bill (http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=8179&type=0)that would create a "pathway to citizenship" for immigrants already in the United States, the Congressional Budget Office weighed in with a mixed fiscal review of the proposal:

The immigration bill before Congress would cost the federal government roughly $18 billion over the next decade, largely because of the huge costs of additional border control and law enforcement measures, according to an analysis released yesterday by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/06/05/fiscal_lift_burden_in_immigrant_legislation/).

The analysis found that over the next decade, newly legalized immigrants and guest workers would generate $48 billion in additional tax and Social Security revenues, while using about $23 billion worth of tax credits and social services. Thus, the newly legal immigrant population would contribute a net of about $26 billion over the decade, the report said.

Over the long haul, the bill would be a virtual fiscal wash, costing after 20 years a few billion dollars a year more in enforcement and government assistance than the Treasury would get back in tax revenues from the foreign-born workers, the study said.

Simply put..."Illegals cost ME MONEY"...is a stupid red herring.

epo

01-26-2010, 07:09 PM

that's interesting. i've never heard that before. do you have any links or articles about it?

More about the confusion on the issue...... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24054024/)

weekapaugjz

01-26-2010, 07:13 PM

thank you, sir.

Dude!

01-26-2010, 07:36 PM

thank you, sir.

you have been quiet recently
why?

weekapaugjz

01-26-2010, 07:41 PM

you have been quiet recently
why?

eh
i go in spurts
sometimes i have
a lot to say
other times not

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 02:22 AM

Illegal aliens are a net drain on the economy

http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

http://sorrel.humboldt.edu/~economic/econ104/immigrat/

An end to illegal immigration would not damage the farm industry

http://www.parapundit.com/archives/003406.html

Illegal aliens bring diseases with them

http://douglassreport.com/2008/08/10/disease-of-illegal-immigration-spreads-to-americas-poor/

Again why would anyone encourage anyone to come here illegaly? especially people from the 3rd world who can't read or write, have no skills or trade, consume more than they contribute and lower the quality of life in this country?

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 03:25 AM

If you live here and don't pay taxes, chances are you're still using some services that the taxpayers provide.

Do you think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes? If they go to the grocery store, do you think they get their items tax free? This is common sense. They make very little money, so whatever income tax they'd pay is not high. Also, because of fear of deportation they don't use as many government services as other poor people. They are basically a free working poor class that we for the most part did not have to pay for when they were children. And if people like wrestlingfans real concerns were financial, his deportation/border security plans would cost a lot more than having them here costs (if it truly costs anything at all)

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 04:10 AM

Do you think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes? If they go to the grocery store, do you think they get their items tax free? This is common sense. They make very little money, so whatever income tax they'd pay is not high. Also, because of fear of deportation they don't use as many government services as other poor people. They are basically a free working poor class that we for the most part did not have to pay for when they were children. And if people like wrestlingfans real concerns were financial, his deportation/border security plans would cost a lot more than having them here costs (if it truly costs anything at all)

Guess what? we all pay sales taxes, singling them out because they pay sales taxes when they buy beer and diapers doesnt cut it. I am taxed on every level. The sob stories about illegal aliens being poor isnt true either. They make the equvalent of about $235,000. They are doing pretty good for themselves. Again the cost of rounding up and deporting them can be covered by shutting down on some bureaucracies. If not that , at the very least the couple of hundred billions of dollars will save us in the long run. I would support a 35% tax of all money wired back to their home countries in remittances. Thats money that will never be used in this economy. Do you see the strain these illegals put on just local government? Schools are overcrowded, Emergency rooms are flooded with drunken illegals or some illegal with a headache, they use them as their medicine cabinet and they pay nothing!!!!

Fear of deportation? once again they came here willingly and they know that they are here illegaly. I have no pity for anyone who gets caught here illegally and gets kicked out. Those people living in encampments on eastern LI, let them freeze, ore better yet they can just go back to where they came from, its much warmer there

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 04:27 AM

Guess what? we all pay sales taxes, singling them out because they pay sales taxes when they buy beer and diapers doesnt cut it. I am taxed on every level. The sob stories about illegal aliens being poor isnt true either. They make the equvalent of about $235,000. They are doing pretty good for themselves. Again the cost of rounding up and deporting them can be covered by shutting down on some bureaucracies. If not that , at the very least the couple of hundred billions of dollars will save us in the long run. I would support a 35% tax of all money wired back to their home countries in remittances.™ Thats money that will never be used in this economy. Do you see the strain these illegals put on just local government? Schools are overcrowded, Emergency rooms are flooded with drunken illegals or some illegal with a headache, they use them as their medicine cabinet and they pay nothing!!!!

Fear of deportation? once again they came here willingly and they know that they are here illegaly. I have no pity for anyone who gets caught here illegally and gets kicked out. Those people living in encampments on eastern LI, let them freeze, ore better yet they can just go back to where they came from, its much warmer there

All the answers to the problems you're mentioning can be solved in much easier ways than deportation. Also, you keep saying that you'd get rid of other things to pay for your plan, but how does that make it free? Seriously, you are blinded by irrational hatred. When you say things like "let them freeze", you really show your hand.

Also, you asked why I mentioned sales tax, its because comments like "they don't pay taxes" is simply a lie.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with Archie Bunker.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 04:32 AM

All the answers to the problems you're mentioning can be solved in much easier ways than deportation. Also, you keep saying that you'd get rid of other things to pay for your plan, but how does that make it free? Seriously, you are blinded by irrational hatred. When you say things like "let them freeze", you really show your hand.

Also, you asked why I mentioned sales tax, its because comments like "they don't pay taxes" is simply a lie.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with Archie Bunker.

I never said it would be free to deport them. The hundreds of billions of dollars for these non needed agencies like Dept of Education can be used to deport them. Its not hatred , its just the fact that they rolled the dice by coming here illegally. Like I said before, their tax free earnings went to build those haciendas, they should go back and enjoy them.

Im concerened more about the American who is out of work, not some illegal alien who snuck in to milk the system.

Archie Bunker? give it a rest please. Why do I have to keep repeating myself that I want all illegals deported no matter where they are from. Including many whites IE Russians, Irish, Albanians. Its not just the Mexicans who need to be deported

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 04:38 AM

I never said it would be free to deport them. The hundreds of billions of dollars for these non needed agencies like Dept of Education can be used to deport them. Its not hatred , its just the fact that they rolled the dice by coming here illegally. Like I said before, their tax free earnings went to build those haciendas, they should go back and enjoy them.

Im concerened more about the American who is out of work, not some illegal alien who snuck in to milk the system.

It doesn't seem like you're concerned more about the American out of work. If you really cared about the American out of work you'd want to use the money for these allegedly unneeded agencies ON THEM and not this pointless endeavor that may or may not marginally help them.

Also, what does that comment even mean? You can only care about one thing at a time?

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 04:43 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 04:50 AM

I guess you were referring to spanish speaking illegal immigrants from russia in this post?

I was saying that most of the illegal aliens are from Latin America. Please quit calling illegal aliens "immigrants". Thats a disrespect for people who came here thru the proper channels

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 04:52 AM

I was saying that most of the illegal aliens are from Latin America. Please quit calling illegal aliens "immigrants". Thats a disrespect for people who came here thru the proper channels

Lol, ok now you're jezo-messing with me.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 04:55 AM

Lol, ok now you're jezo-messing with me.

I dont have any conversations with people at the gym

underdog

01-27-2010, 05:19 AM

The sob stories about illegal aliens being poor isnt true either. They make the equvalent of about $235,000.

What?

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 05:22 AM

What?

Yes, I skipped this part. Where exactly does this number come from?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 05:26 AM

Yes, I skipped this part. Where exactly does this number come from?

The average wage in Mexico for example is about $ 1 an hour, they come here illegally and make $6 an hr. Thats a a 500% increase. The average American Salary is about 42K a year multiply that by 5 and theres your number

Illegal aliens arent poor at all. Thats just some misperception by all these special interest and open borders groups. We should be so lucky

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 05:29 AM

The average wage in Mexico for example is about $ 1 an hour, they come here illegally and make $6 an hr. Thats a a 500% increase. The average American Salary is about 42K a year multiply that by 5 and theres your number

Illegal aliens arent poor at all. Thats just some misperception by all these special interest and open borders groups. We should be so lucky

The cost of living here and in Mexico aren't the same. You are using insane logic to come to your number. Also, if they make $6 an hour, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year it comes out to $12,480.

underdog

01-27-2010, 05:34 AM

The average wage in Mexico for example is about $ 1 an hour, they come here illegally and make $6 an hr. Thats a a 500% increase. The average American Salary is about 42K a year multiply that by 5 and theres your number

Illegal aliens arent poor at all. Thats just some misperception by all these special interest and open borders groups. We should be so lucky

But they're not still living in Mexico. Your numbers make no sense.

And I thought you hated all illegal immigrants? How about the numbers for those Russians ones you're so against?

I honestly wish you were lucky enough to make $6 an hour. I don't even think you work.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 05:34 AM

The cost of living here and in Mexico aren't the same. You are using insane logic to come to your number. Also, if they make $6 an hour, 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year it comes out to $12,480.

They are receiving foodstamps, welfare, healthcare, the jackpot babies are getting educated, they contribute next to nothing, sorry sales tax doesnt cut it. some are in subsidized housing, others live with tons of roommates. They might be uneducated, but they know how to soak the taxpayer

underdog

01-27-2010, 05:34 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 05:36 AM

THEY'RE FUCKING RICH THEN!

They are doing better than most of us.

underdog

01-27-2010, 05:37 AM

They are receiving foodstamps, welfare, healthcare, the jackpot babies are getting educated, they contribute next to nothing, sorry sales tax doesnt cut it. some are in subsidized housing, others live with tons of roommates. They might be uneducated, but they know how to soak the taxpayer

How does sales tax not cut it?

As someone else pointed out, if they were legal, they make so little money that they probably wouldn't even end up paying an income tax. These people live in poverty and make a poverty wage. Their income tax wouldn't contribute at all.

You just hate immigrants because they're taking some of the money you're trying to take from the government.

underdog

01-27-2010, 05:38 AM

They are doing better than most of us.

No, they're not.

If you think supporting a family on $6 an hour is "doing better than most of us", then you're completely delusional.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 05:42 AM

How does sales tax not cut it?

As someone else pointed out, if they were legal, they make so little money that they probably wouldn't even end up paying an income tax. These people live in poverty and make a poverty wage. Their income tax wouldn't contribute at all.

You just hate immigrants because they're taking some of the money you're trying to take from the government.

I dont want people who arent supposed to be here. If they come here legally then Im all for it. I hate the fact that my taxes are being redistributed for people who snuck in with no regard for the law whatsoever. Why reward a crime?

Im sick and tired of babysitting these people. All the sobstories that they are living in the sahdows? No they arent, they are out everywhere just looking for more ways to scam the system.

These people arent poor, please spare the violin and soapbox.

A.J.

01-27-2010, 05:43 AM

If you think supporting a family on $6 an hour is "doing better than most of us", then you're completely delusional.

If you're only making $6 an hour, perhaps you shouldn't be having a family to support.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 05:44 AM

No, they're not.

If you think supporting a family on $6 an hour is "doing better than most of us", then you're completely delusional.

Going to use a dirty word... Personal responsibility...

If you cant support yourself why would you bring in a child into the world. Thats immoral

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 05:48 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-derych/lance-cpl-jose-gutierrez_b_21806.html
"LOS ANGELES -- One of the first U.S. servicemen killed in combat in Iraq was not a citizen of the country for which he sacrificed his life.
Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, 22, a rifleman with the Marines, died in a firefight March 21 near Umm Qasr."

Damn those illegals dying to protect our rights. MIND YOUR BUSINESS YOU FILTHY JACKPOT BABY, RICH, CRIMINAL, ILLEGAL, DRAIN ON THE ECONOMY. But, thanks for your service.

booster11373

01-27-2010, 05:49 AM

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 05:52 AM

Going to use a dirty word... Personal responsibility...

If you cant support yourself why would you bring in a child into the world. Thats immoral

This is another argument entirely. Poor people having children is not limited to illegal immigrants.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 06:00 AM

Could illegal aliens join the military? If so I believe if they serve a 4 year enlistment/ 6 year commission if they are college educated and become an Officer, there should be some sort of path to citizenship, Im open to that idea

See, I believe there are some exceptions. The very small % I am open to keeping in the country

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 06:59 AM

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 07:08 AM

And so it continues

http://www.wvec.com/news/local/Feds-Trio-cranked-out-counterfeit-documents-for-illegal-immigrants-82757567.html

http://www.clintonnc.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Life+in+jail-%20&id=5670713&instance=secondary_news_left_column

http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=407372

None of what you've posted proves that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a disproportionate rate than legal citizens in similar socioeconomic conditions.

If I started posting crimes only committed by redheads, would that prove redheads are violent people? You are just looking for ways to validate your irrational hatred.

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 07:09 AM

And so it continues
http://www.wvec.com/news/local/Feds-Trio-cranked-out-counterfeit-documents-for-illegal-immigrants-82757567.html
http://www.clintonnc.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Life+in+jail-%20&id=5670713&instance=secondary_news_left_column
http://www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=407372

Who commits the most murders in America? White Christian males.
Who uses the most welfare money? White Christians.
Who kills more people every year by driving drunk? White Christians males.
Who evades the most taxes? White Christians.

Clean up your own house.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:15 AM

None of what you've posted proves that illegal immigrants commit crimes at a disproportionate rate than legal citizens in similar socioeconomic conditions.

If I started posting crimes only committed by redheads, would that prove redheads are violent people? You are just looking for ways to validate your irrational hatred.

An illegal alien is committing a crime every second that he is here. Furthermore additional crimes are tax evasion, working illegally, renting illegally, they committed identity theft and forgery. Some drive drunk , they have no license or registration or proof of insurance. Yes. Illegals commit more crimes than the general population

Again I will stress we already have enough home grown dirtbags. What is coming across the border can be rapists, murderers, drug dealers and other fugitives.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:19 AM

Who commits the most murders in America? White Christian males.
Who uses the most welfare money? White Christians.
Who kills more people every year by driving drunk? White Christians males.
Who evades the most taxes? White Christians.

Clean up your own house.

Going by percentages that doesnt stick. Since whites are the majority of the population about 75-80% they commit less crimes per capita.

The ratio of illegals to crimes is much higher.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_traffic_accidents.h tml

Yes these countries that they are sneaking in from should clean up their own house, not export their uneducated peasants to ruin ours

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 07:33 AM

Going by percentages that doesnt stick. Since whites are the majority of the population about 75-80% they commit less crimes per capita.

The ratio of illegals to crimes is much higher.

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/the_costs_of_illegal_immigration.html

http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_traffic_accidents.h tml

Yes these countries that they are sneaking in from should clean up their own house, not export their uneducated peasants to ruin ours

Citizens commit more murders than illegals.
Citizens commit more welfare fraud than illegals.
Citizens commit more rapes than illegals.
Citizens break more tax laws than illegals.

Ruben G. Rumbaut, coauthor of "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality" study, said: "The misperception that immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are responsible for higher crime rates is deeply rooted in American public opinion and is sustained by media anecdotes and popular myth." According to Rumbaut, a sociology professor at the University of California at Irvine, "This perception is not supported empirically. In fact, it is refuted by the preponderance of scientific evidence."

The Immigration Policy Center study found that:

* At the same time that immigration—especially undocumented immigration—has reached or surpassed historic highs, crime rates have declined, notably in cities with large numbers of undocumented immigrants, including border cities like El Paso and San Diego.
* Incarceration rate for native-born men in the 18-39 age group was five times higher than for foreign-born men in the same age group.
* Data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are least educated and least acculturated.

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 07:36 AM

An illegal alien is committing a crime every second that he is here. Furthermore additional crimes are tax evasion, working illegally, renting illegally, they committed identity theft and forgery. Some drive drunk , they have no license or registration or proof of insurance. Yes. Illegals commit more crimes than the general population

Again I will stress we already have enough home grown dirtbags. What is coming across the border can be rapists, murderers, drug dealers and other fugitives.

Or they can be hardworking people willing to do jobs that Americans don't want, for less money. The point your making can be applied to A-N-Y G-R-O-U-P of people. You are applying them to illegal immigrants because you have an irrational hatred for them.

Again, all of hte issues you mentioned have solutions that would be easier and cheaper to enforce than your plan. Will you atleast admit to that? Admit that the reason you hate illegal immigrants is not because of their "financial burden" (which may, or may not exist).

epo

01-27-2010, 07:37 AM

They are doing better than most of us.

I work with a community-based hispanic organization, and let me state this might be the dumbest statement I've ever seen on this board.

And this board has seen a LOT of stupid statements.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:37 AM

I dont want people who arent supposed to be here. If they come here legally then Im all for it. I hate the fact that my taxes are being redistributed for people who snuck in with no regard for the law whatsoever. Why reward a crime?

Im sick and tired of babysitting these people. All the sobstories that they are living in the sahdows? No they arent, they are out everywhere just looking for more ways to scam the system.

These people arent poor, please spare the violin and soapbox.

You're not supposed to be here. Go back where you came from. Your ancestors brought diseases and crime with them.

The people are poor. If you choose to continue to pretend they're not so you can keep your conscience clear, that's on you.

foodcourtdruide

01-27-2010, 07:39 AM

I work with a community-based hispanic organization, and let me state this might be the dumbest statement I've ever seen on this board.

And this board has seen a LOT of stupid statements.

Then you clearly missed his logic for stating that they make $235,000 a year.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:41 AM

Citizens commit more murders than illegals.
Citizens commit more welfare fraud than illegals.
Citizens commit more rapes than illegals.
Citizens break more tax laws than illegals.

Ruben G. Rumbaut, coauthor of "The Myth of Immigrant Criminality" study, said: "The misperception that immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are responsible for higher crime rates is deeply rooted in American public opinion and is sustained by media anecdotes and popular myth." According to Rumbaut, a sociology professor at the University of California at Irvine, "This perception is not supported empirically. In fact, it is refuted by the preponderance of scientific evidence."

The Immigration Policy Center study found that:

* At the same time that immigration—especially undocumented immigration—has reached or surpassed historic highs, crime rates have declined, notably in cities with large numbers of undocumented immigrants, including border cities like El Paso and San Diego.
* Incarceration rate for native-born men in the 18-39 age group was five times higher than for foreign-born men in the same age group.
* Data from the census and other sources show that for every ethnic group, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are least educated and least acculturated.

Oh really?

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/crimestudy.pdf?docID=2321

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:42 AM

Again I will stress we already have enough home grown dirtbags. What is coming across the border can be rapists, murderers, drug dealers and other fugitives.

That could also be applied to legal immigrants.

I work with a community-based hispanic organization, and let me state this might be the dumbest statement I've ever seen on this board.

And this board has seen a LOT of stupid statements.

There's been a lot of stupid statements lately.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:42 AM

I also still don't think you have a job.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:43 AM

You're not supposed to be here. Go back where you came from. Your ancestors brought diseases and crime with them.

The people are poor. If you choose to continue to pretend they're not so you can keep your conscience clear, that's on you.

That is such a dumb comment. Who said Im not supposed to be here. I was born here So I should be deported back to NY because I LEGALLY moved to CT? Come on now!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:44 AM

I work with a community-based hispanic organization, and let me state this might be the dumbest statement I've ever seen on this board.

And this board has seen a LOT of stupid statements.

So youre an accomplice to encouraging illegal behavior? How noble of you. Like I said, I have no pity for anyone who rolled the dice and decided to break the law.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:48 AM

That is such a dumb comment. Who said Im not supposed to be here. I was born here So I should be deported back to NY because I LEGALLY moved to CT? Come on now!!!

So you're an anchor baby or jackpot baby or whatever term you want to use. You should be sent back to whatever country your ancestors came from. You don't deserve to be here.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:49 AM

So youre an accomplice to encouraging illegal behavior? How noble of you. Like I said, I have no pity for anyone who rolled the dice and decided to break the law.

I like how you see the word hispanic and automatically assume they are illegal.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:52 AM

So you're an anchor baby or jackpot baby or whatever term you want to use. You should be sent back to whatever country your ancestors came from. You don't deserve to be here.

Another dumb comment. My relatives came here LEGALLY something you can not fathom. Furthermore I can never be deported, only in your dreams!!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 07:54 AM

I like how you see the word hispanic and automatically assume they are illegal.

Alot of these outreach programs cater to illegal aliens. There are tons of them in NY. They run soup kitchens etc. If a church wants to do it, even though Im against it, thats 1 thing but using taxdollars for them is robbery.

Back to Churches, especially the Catholic church, their dwindling numbers they want people to come back so they rely on illegals. Thats why the Archbishops want them flooding in

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:55 AM

Another dumb comment. My relatives came here LEGALLY something you can not fathom. Furthermore I can never be deported, only in your dreams!!

I'm sick of you people living off the government and trying to figure out new ways to scam them for more money.

epo

01-27-2010, 07:56 AM

Then you clearly missed his logic for stating that they make $235,000 a year.

Oh, I saw that bit of "logic". I'm certain that there is a new member at the Gym of Jezo.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:57 AM

Alot of these outreach programs cater to illegal aliens. There are tons of them in NY. They run soup kitchens etc. If a church wants to do it, even though Im against it, thats 1 thing but using taxdollars for them is robbery.

Just admit that you're a xenophobic racist and that's why when you see the word "hispanic", you automatically assume "illegal".

Back to Churches, especially the Catholic church, their dwindling numbers they want people to come back so they rely on illegals. Thats why the Archbishops want them flooding in

No one is talking about churches.

underdog

01-27-2010, 07:58 AM

Oh, I saw that bit of "logic". I'm certain that there is a new member at the Gym of Jezo.

He already stated he doesn't go to the gym. He doesn't have time with all the not-working he does. He spends a lot of his spare time in the welfare office taking money he doesn't deserve, the anchor baby he is.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:00 AM

Just admit that you're a xenophobic racist and that's why when you see the word "hispanic", you automatically assume "illegal".

No one is talking about churches.

Another stupid comment, If I want Russian Illegals booted out what makes you think that ? When you have no other valid arguements you throw out the race card. Pathetic!!!!!

Well the Church is a problem as they are encouraging a flood of people to come here illegally.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:01 AM

He already stated he doesn't go to the gym. He doesn't have time with all the not-working he does. He spends a lot of his spare time in the welfare office taking money he doesn't deserve, the anchor baby he is.

Its called having some extra days off that carried over from 2009. Well earned days off after subsidizing the illegals

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:09 AM

Oh really?

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/crimestudy.pdf?docID=2321

That study merely shows that illegal aliens spend more time in jail. It does not show that they commit more crimes.

Any good gym conspiracy stories?

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:10 AM

Just admit that you're a xenophobic racist and that's why when you see the word "hispanic", you automatically assume "illegal".

No one is talking about churches.

Who are the real racists?

http://www.thirdworldcounty.us/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/upsidedown-L.jpg

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:13 AM

Who are the real racists?
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20081231/illegal-alien-che.jpg
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/20070502/worldturnedupsidedown.jpg
The second I see a sign with Che Guevera I dismiss them as a bunch of idiots

Did you steal something? I expected as much from a dirty white christian male.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:17 AM

That study merely shows that illegal aliens spend more time in jail. It does not show that they commit more crimes.

Any good gym conspiracy stories?

They commit a crime every second you are here. Why cant you grip that fact?

9/11 was not an inside job

Ritalin

01-27-2010, 08:17 AM

Did you steal something? I expected as much from a dirty white christian male.

He stole, and we all have to pay for it. My kids won't get the proper education because of this.

Thanks a lot.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:18 AM

Did you steal something? I expected as much from a dirty white christian male.

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk2/18.jpg

Sorry Amiga, you homeland is in Mexico, not the US

Ritalin

01-27-2010, 08:18 AM

They commit a crime every second you are here. Why cant you grip that fact?

Yeah, but it's the same crime.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:19 AM

Who are the real racists?

http://www.thirdworldcounty.us/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/upsidedown-L.jpg

For you Serpico

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:23 AM

Yeah, but it's the same crime.

As well as about 5 other crimes

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:25 AM

http://lang.whittierdailynews.com/socal/gallery2/news/032806_SV_walk2/18.jpg

Sorry Amiga, you homeland is in Mexico, not the US

Well, there is an argument that we stole Texas from them.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:30 AM

Well, there is an argument that we stole Texas from them.

That pesky war from 1846-48. Well to our disadvantage it will be their's again in no time

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:34 AM

That pesky war from 1846-48. Well to our disadvantage it will be their's again in no time

So, our federal government is guilty of stealing land from another country, but your concern is people sneaking across to wash dishes and occasionally rape a woman?

Che! Che!

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:38 AM

So, our federal government is guilty of stealing land from another country, but your concern is people sneaking across to wash dishes and occasionally rape a woman?

Che! Che!

Its not stolen land, Mexico got crushed and we acquired it. That's what happens in wars. The treaty of Guadelupe-Hidalgo verified that.

Oh how you would be a great propagandist for the palistineans

Ritalin

01-27-2010, 08:40 AM

Its not stolen land, it was land won after the Mexican-Amercan war. The Palistineans would love you

And you want to abolish the Dept of Education.

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:40 AM

Its not stolen land, it was land won after the Mexican-Amercan war. The Palistineans would love you

WON? Ha. Nice logic. So, if a government uses a military to take property it is "won?" But, if i push an old lady down and take her purse it is stealing? I just won her purse after a conflict.

Where do you live? I want to "win" some cash and maybe a tv.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:45 AM

WON? Ha. Nice logic. So, if a government uses a military to take property it is "won?" But, if i push an old lady down and take her purse it is stealing? I just won her purse after a conflict.

Where do you live? I want to "win" some cash and maybe a tv.

Wait, the Mexicans didnt fight? The US just rolled in and took the land?

Jujubees2

01-27-2010, 08:45 AM

Alot of these outreach programs cater to illegal aliens. There are tons of them in NY. They run soup kitchens etc. If a church wants to do it, even though Im against it, thats 1 thing but using taxdollars for them is robbery.

Back to Churches, especially the Catholic church, their dwindling numbers they want people to come back so they rely on illegals. Thats why the Archbishops want them flooding in

So they can only be Catholic if they come to this country?

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:48 AM

Wait, the Mexicans didnt fight? The US just rolled in and took the land?

Oh, so if the old lady fights back it is not stealing?

Don't worry after I liberate your TV, jewelry, and cash I will coerce you into signing a contract on my terms. This will legitimize my actions.

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:49 AM

So they can only be Catholic if they come to this country?

Well the Catholic Church does not have the best reputation, so they rely on gullible peasants to increase their membership

WRESTLINGFAN

01-27-2010, 08:51 AM

Oh, so if the old lady fights back it is not stealing?

Don't worry after I liberate your TV, jewelry, and cash I will coerce you into signing a contract on my terms. This will legitimize my actions.

Serpico ICE agent!!!!!! and Liberator of Texas !!!!! But he robs old ladies

underdog

01-27-2010, 08:54 AM

Another stupid comment, If I want Russian Illegals booted out what makes you think that ? When you have no other valid arguements you throw out the race card. Pathetic!!!!!

Well the Church is a problem as they are encouraging a flood of people to come here illegally.

So when you see the word "russian", you automatically think "illegal"?

The way you keep talking about russians is like saying, "I have black friends!".

Serpico1103

01-27-2010, 08:56 AM

Serpico ICE agent!!!!!! and Liberator of Texas !!!!! But he robs old ladies

I liberate old ladies' purses. Sometimes I give them blankets infected with disease. When they die, I free their purses and the cash contained therein.
Other times, I poke them with a stick until they slap me, then I claim self defense and burn their house down.
Also, I like to just walk in, start watching their TV, when they try to push me out, I crush them, after which I "win" all their property.
Another favorite, is to take their purse which is full of cash, and replace it with an empty purse. They walk away leaving a "trail of tears."

Tactics I learned from the US military.
It is not stealing, like the Indians, the old ladies don't know how to use their property properly, so I must take ownership of it, disregarding their basic rights.