Immigration Battle 2009-10

[Dude!]

You know you are on the right side of a debate when "Dude!" is on the other side.

Dude! says:
serpico is a smart and cool person

so that means
everyone thinks
you are stupid and awful

[Serpico1103]

Dude! says:
serpico is a smart and cool person

so that means
everyone thinks
you are stupid and awful

If everyone thinks I am stupid and awful, you must think I am stupid and awful. Therefore, the opposite (I am intelligent and great) must be right.

Yeah, I am cool!

[underdog]

You know you are on the right side of a debate when "Dude!" is on the other side.

I like Dude!.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The indian tribes were no choirboys as they waged wars, enslaved people, practiced human sacrifices and inflicted horror as well.

Classic example is on the Island of Puerto Rico the Carib tribe savagely took over the Tainos. Your statements that the Indians were peace loving people who lived in Harmony are baseless

[Serpico1103]

The indian tribes were no choirboys as they waged wars, enslaved people, practiced human sacrifices and inflicted horror as well.

Classic example is on the Island of Puerto Rico the Carib tribe savagely took over the Tainos. Your statements that the Indians were peace loving people who lived in Harmony are baseless

So, we are a savage nation as well. Therefore, the Mexicans are justified to come and pillage our nation.

That blanket of righteousness you hide under is infected with small pox.

[underdog]

Your statements that the Indians were peace loving people who lived in Harmony are baseless

Who said that?

Sierra Mist.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, we are a savage nation as well. Therefore, the Mexicans are justified to come and pillage our nation.

That blanket of righteousness you hide under is infected with small pox.

Any illegal Mexican who tries to do that to me will be met with resistance. I hope some drunken illegal Mexican ravages your house.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, we are a savage nation as well. Therefore, the Mexicans are justified to come and pillage our nation.

That blanket of righteousness you hide under is infected with small pox.

Are we?


http://www.rightreborn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/savage-the-savage-nation2.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Any illegal Mexican who tries to do that to me will be met with resistance. I hope some drunken illegal Mexican ravages your house.

I hope some drunken white christian skull fucks those you love. I say this with kindness and concern.
Are we?


*Surprised look on my face* You follow Savage?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope some drunken white christian skull fucks those you love. I say this with kindness and concern.


*Surprised look on my face* You follow Savage?

Theres a greater chance of the drunken Illegal Mexican destroying your house

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I hope some drunken white christian skull fucks those you love. I say this with kindness and concern.


*Surprised look on my face* You follow Savage?

Use to follow this Savage


http://gasti.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/wrld-savage02nd-11.jpg

[Serpico1103]

Use to follow this Savage


http://gasti.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/wrld-savage02nd-11.jpg

He is the personification of your paranoid misplaced rants.

Ahhhhh, bees are killing Americans. Stop the bee onslaught before it is too late. Paranoid and misplaced.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He is the personification of your paranoid misplaced rants.

Ahhhhh, bees are killing Americans. Stop the bee onslaught before it is too late. Paranoid and misplaced.

He was much more entertaining than the Luchadors

[Serpico1103]

He was much more entertaining than the Luchadors


Man Attacked And Killed By Bees
WOAI NBC 4 San Antonio
Aug. 12, 2007. 02:17 AM EST
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/368447/man_attacked_and_killed_by_bees

The bees are killing American citizens. They must be stopped. They have no right to be here. They are not citizens, they do not pay taxes, and they are usually drunk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Man Attacked And Killed By Bees
WOAI NBC 4 San Antonio
Aug. 12, 2007. 02:17 AM EST
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/video/play/368447/man_attacked_and_killed_by_bees

The bees are killing American citizens. They must be stopped. They have no right to be here. They are not citizens, they do not pay taxes, and they are usually drunk.

We are not subsidizing their jackpot ba-bees

[Serpico1103]

We are not subsidizing their jackpot ba-bees

WRONG!
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/federal_grant_helps_madison_co.html
Government giving money to increase bee population. So they can kill even more American citizens?
Yellow jacketpot ba-bees!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WRONG!
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/federal_grant_helps_madison_co.html
Government giving money to increase bee population. So they can kill even more American citizens?
Yellow jacketpot ba-bees!!!

I'll start worrying when Bees start driving drunk and molesting children

[underdog]

I'll start worrying when Bees start driving drunk and molesting children

You must hate the Irish.

[Serpico1103]

I'll start worrying when Bees start driving drunk and molesting children
Wow, how insane are you?
Bees can't drive drunk. Jeez. What's next, accusing illegal immigrants of being sex offenders? Stop living in your pretend world of drunk driving bees and sex offender immigrants. What happened did a luchador rape someone close to you?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, how insane are you?
Bees can't drive drunk. Jeez. What's next, accusing illegal immigrants of being sex offenders? Stop living in your pretend world of drunk driving bees and sex offender immigrants. What happened did a luchador rape someone close to you?

Actually illegal aliens are the biggest offenders.


http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_sex_crimes.html

[Serpico1103]

Actually illegal aliens are the biggest offenders.
http://www.usillegalaliens.com/impacts_of_illegal_immigration_sex_crimes.html

Quick read of that unbiased report. It concludes that illegal aliens (mostly adult males), commit more sex crimes than the general population (much more children and women).
It doesn't compare illegal alien males to citizen males, a more important and useful stat.
Abusing stats to support a favorable conclusion.

[Serpico1103]

Deers kill over 200 citizens a year in auto accidents?
Are these deer drunk? Are they molesting our children undetected? Is the left protecting the deers out of white guilt?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Quick read of that unbiased report. It concludes that illegal aliens (mostly adult males), commit more sex crimes than the general population (much more children and women).
It doesn't compare illegal alien men to citizen men, a more important and useful stat.
Abusing stats to support a favorable conclusion.

Once again youre not getting it. Sure Ruth hit more Homeruns than McGwire but McGwire had more HR per At bat

Illegal aliens though not a majority of the population on average commit a higher percentage of these crimes

[Serpico1103]

Once again youre not getting it. Sure Ruth hit more Homeruns than McGwire but McGwire had more HR per At bat

Illegal aliens though not a majority of the population on average commit a higher percentage of these crimes

I understand your point. My point is that of course, if a population has more men in it, it will commit more crimes.
I know illegals commit crimes, avoid taxes, and rape women will driving drunk over children. I am just not putting them high on my things to worry about list. Bee stings and deer rate higher for me.
Continue your paranoid "completely free of racism" rants.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I understand your point. My point is that of course, if a population has more men in it, it will commit more crimes.
I know illegals commit crimes, avoid taxes, and rape women will driving drunk over children. I am just not putting them high on my things to worry about list. Bee stings and deer rate higher for me.
Continue your paranoid "completely free of racism" rants.

Why do you hate Bees?

[Serpico1103]

Why do you hate Bees?

Well, it is not that I hate bees, as much as I hate myself. However accepting that might be psychologically damaging. So, I pick on a weaker target, bees, and vent my frustration at not achieving what I think I am capable of. The bees are really just victims of my own self-loathing.
Sure, I could focus on myself, try to make myself better with out blaming my problems on the bees. But, it is easier to blame the bees for all my problems.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Well, it is not that I hate bees, as much as I hate myself. However accepting that might be psychologically damaging. So, I pick on a weaker target, bees, and vent my frustration at not achieving what I think I am capable of. The bees are really just victims of my own self-loathing.
Sure, I could focus on myself, try to make myself better with out blaming my problems on the bees. But, it is easier to blame the bees for all my problems.

You just compared illegal aliens to insects. So much hate in you!!!!! I suggest you take in a Beehive in your house

[Serpico1103]

You just compared illegal aliens to insects. So much hate in you!!!!!

Of course, instead of taking responsibility for agitating the bees, inducing them to sting me, I will project blame onto the bee. Evil bees, trying to feed the hive, how dare it surrender its live to protect itself. I am all that matters. Me. Me. Me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Of course, instead of taking responsibility for agitating the bees, inducing them to sting me, I will project blame onto the bee. Evil bees, trying to feed the hive, how dare it surrender its live to protect itself. I am all that matters. Me. Me. Me.

You hate illegals, and bees!!! whats next puppies?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Any of you who want these illegals here and open Borders, I advise you to hop the Mexican Border, demand that you get welfare and other entitlements and all serivces must be in English.. Then write me when youre in a Mexican jail. Think its like here?

[Serpico1103]

You hate illegals, and bees!!! whats next puppies?

Don't get me started. Puppies are a key cause of moral erosion in our society today. Sure, they want a nice life: free from hunger, poverty, oppression. But, that doesn't mean I have to tolerate them wandering around my streets; urinating in public with the police doing nothing.
Send the puppies back where they came from!
And stop calling them puppies. They are juvenile canine bastards.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow even mr open Borders Governator wants to ship the illegals back?


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/california-politics/2010/01/schwarzenegger-send-prisoners-to-mexico.html

[booster11373]

Any of you who want these illegals here and open Borders, I advise you to hop the Mexican Border, demand that you get welfare and other entitlements and all serivces must be in English.. Then write me when youre in a Mexican jail. Think its like here?

Do Mexican wrestlers just make you lose your mind? (more so)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do Mexican wrestlers just make you lose your mind? (more so)

Yes!! They value their masks more than family. So when will you be taking up residency in Oaxaca

[Serpico1103]

Maybe we should have realized that by exploiting other countries, eventually it will come back to haunt us.
Give Texas and Hawaii back, it's a start.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe we should have realized that by exploiting other countries, eventually it will come back to haunt us.
Give Texas and Hawaii back, it's a start.

Meh, They can have Vermont and call it a deal.

[Serpico1103]

They can have Vermont.

Ok, lets go in order of theft. Delaware, you are first.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok, lets go in order of theft. Delaware, you are first.

Gives you time to put your house up for sale NY is 11th

[Serpico1103]

Ha. I'll sell it to some ass just before the Indians reclaim their land.
I'll apply for Italian citizenship and live on the Amalfi coast.

Anyway, enjoy your ongoing battle to save us from landscapers and dishwashers. Good luck.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ha. I'll sell it to some ass just before the Indians reclaim their land.
I'll apply for Italian citizenship and live on the Amalfi coast.

Anyway, enjoy your ongoing battle to save us from landscapers and dishwashers. Good luck.

Good luck there!! Illegal aliens are ruining Europe now so best brush up on your studies of the Koran

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Awwww the poor guy from Guatemala was here for a better life

http://www.rgj.com/article/20100127/NEWS01/100127027/1004/news01/Washoe+judge+sentences+illegal+immigrant+for+attem pted+kidnappings+of+young+girls++woman


Or this gift from Central America, maybe he lost all his winnings playing roulette


http://www.startribune.com/nation/82947522.html

Illegals arent just ruining border states


http://www.gazette.net/stories/01282010/prinlet170450_32554.php


Still fall for the old line that Americans are lazy and don't do manual work?
http://www.helium.com/items/1424369-illegal-immigrants-take-jobs-away

Obama does not want to even touch this subject, he knows that the opposition to healthcare takeover will be nothing compared Amnesty

[Jujubees2]

Still fall for the old line that Americans are lazy and don't do manual work?
http://www.helium.com/items/1424369-illegal-immigrants-take-jobs-away

Obama does not want to even touch this subject, he knows that the opposition to healthcare takeover will be nothing compared Amnesty

There are currently over 300 million Americans (not including illegal immigrants). So, almost 30 million Americans who are actively seeking employment are without a job right now.

Fuzzy math. The 300 millions includes kids and retired people so there aren't 30 million people looking for a job.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Like I said these illegal aliens know how to milk the system. They forfeited their civil rights by trespassing on this persons Ranch


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

[Jujubees2]

Like I said these illegal aliens know how to milk the system. They forfeited their civil rights by trespassing on this persons Ranch


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

Got to love this line:

"My dog is hungry and he's hungry for buttocks."

[Ritalin]

Like I said these illegal aliens know how to milk the system. They forfeited their civil rights by trespassing on this persons Ranch


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/09/16-illegals-sue-arizona-rancher/

The thing about that guy is he's looking for that fight. He almost had me until the "I'm the victim here" line. He's no victim. He's driving around his property looking for them. It's clear that he does well enough to move if he just didn't want to be bothered.

And I'm actually cool with that, that he choses to take a stand. Then do it. Don't tell people you're a "victim".

[SonOfSmeagol]

What Indians? We bought a big chunk of this country fair and square from the French.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The thing about that guy is he's looking for that fight. He almost had me until the "I'm the victim here" line. He's no victim. He's driving around his property looking for them. It's clear that he does well enough to move if he just didn't want to be bothered.

And I'm actually cool with that, that he choses to take a stand. Then do it. Don't tell people you're a "victim".

In a way he is. He is protecting his property and people are damaging it, illegal aliens for that matter who have no right to be here then hes faced with lawsuits from these ethno centric special interests.

[Jujubees2]

In a way he is. He is protecting his property and people are damaging it, illegal aliens for that matter who have no right to be here then hes faced with lawsuits from these ethno centric special interests.

He's faced with a lawsuit because he can not hold people captive while waiting for the authorities.

[Ritalin]

In a way he is. He is protecting his property and people are damaging it, illegal aliens for that matter who have no right to be here then hes faced with lawsuits from these ethno centric special interests.

Yeah, see, that's what I mean. You can't do both. You can be a cowboy, you can be a victim, but you can't be the victim cowboy.

If he wants to drive around with a gun and a dog rounding up illegals, well, that's his business and frankly I wish the Feds would do it. So, be the cowboy.

[Ritalin]

He's faced with a lawsuit because he can not hold people captive while waiting for the authorities.

He should carry a tagging gun with gps tags on them so the authoritay can track them down.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, see, that's what I mean. You can't do both. You can be a cowboy, you can be a victim, but you can't be the victim cowboy.

If he wants to drive around with a gun and a dog rounding up illegals, well, that's his business and frankly I wish the Feds would do it. So, be the cowboy.

If his land was in NC, he would have been able to use the citizens arrest as their laws are more lax then many states are


From Wiki
Each state, with the exception of North Carolina, permits citizen arrests if the commission of a felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections held by police officers, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including but not limited to any infringement of another's rights.[30]

Though North Carolina General Statutes have no provision for citizens' arrests, detention by private persons is permitted and applies to both civilians and police officers outside their jurisdiction.[31] Detention is permitted where probable cause exists that one has committed a felony, breach of peace, physical injury to another person, or theft or destruction of property.[32] Detention is different from an arrest in that in a detention the detainee may not be transported without consent.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sorry Amigos. You people don't have any right how we should dictate our laws you people came here on your own Nobody forced you to come here!!!!!

http://blog.taragana.com/law/2010/01/29/mexican-migrants-unhappy-with-obamas-immigration-reform-19846/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Remittances decline by 16%.


http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9678227

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How are those sanctuary cities working for ya Mr Bloomberg?

All over NYC and other sanctuaries, crowded apartments are breeding grounds for fires but yet greedy landlords thumb their noses at building codes and sleaze politicians continue to let this lawless behavior continue. Neighborhoods like Bensonhurst have been turned to slums


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/fiend_lived_on_victims_charity_TiBbuWYP6XXF7kChVly PBN

[underdog]

How are those sanctuary cities working for ya Mr Bloomberg?

All over NYC and other sanctuaries, crowded apartments are breeding grounds for fires but yet greedy landlords thumb their noses at building codes and sleaze politicians continue to let this lawless behavior continue. Neighborhoods like Bensonhurst have been turned to slums


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/fiend_lived_on_victims_charity_TiBbuWYP6XXF7kChVly PBN

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kx0jwmuwvC1qz8z2ro1_500.png

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kx0jwmuwvC1qz8z2ro1_500.png

When you have nothing to defend your open borders views you resort to comic strips?

[underdog]

When you have nothing to defend your open borders views you resort to comic strips?

Whatever, Jon.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Whatever, Jon.

Thats all you got? Juan?

[foodcourtdruide]

How are those sanctuary cities working for ya Mr Bloomberg?

All over NYC and other sanctuaries, crowded apartments are breeding grounds for fires but yet greedy landlords thumb their noses at building codes and sleaze politicians continue to let this lawless behavior continue. Neighborhoods like Bensonhurst have been turned to slums


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/fiend_lived_on_victims_charity_TiBbuWYP6XXF7kChVly PBN

Have you ever been to Bensonhurst? Calling it a "slum" is pretty hilarious. Maybe you should get a hobby? Want to join my movie club?

[Serpico1103]

How are those sanctuary cities working for ya Mr Bloomberg?
All over NYC and other sanctuaries, crowded apartments are breeding grounds for fires but yet greedy landlords thumb their noses at building codes and sleaze politicians continue to let this lawless behavior continue. Neighborhoods like Bensonhurst have been turned to slums
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/fiend_lived_on_victims_charity_TiBbuWYP6XXF7kChVly PBN

I am starting to see your side of the argument.
First it was the mexicans, now it is the Japanese. They are coming here to kill us. Whether by driving the car or sabotaging the car itself.
Close the borders to people and goods. Isolate this motherfucker.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have you ever been to Bensonhurst? Calling it a "slum" is pretty hilarious. Maybe you should get a hobby? Want to join my movie club?

Yes I have and its not the neighborhood it used to be, as with many places where illegal aliens live. They have ransacked everywhere they live.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I am starting to see your side of the argument.
First it was the mexicans, now it is the Japanese. They are coming here to kill us. Whether by driving the car or sabotaging the car itself.
Close the borders to people and goods. Isolate this motherfucker.

How about enforcing the law!!!!!

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes I have and its not the neighborhood it used to be, as with many places where illegal aliens live. They have ransacked everywhere they live.

"not the neighborhood it used to be"? I forgot about your Archie Bunker gimmick.

[foodcourtdruide]

How about enforcing the law!!!!!

How about making the law benefit society, and not just exist so xenophobes have something to complain about?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about making the law benefit society, and not just exist so xenophobes have something to complain about?

How does having 20 million mostly illiterate people from underdeveloped countries benefit society? Once again, your petty comments about xenophobia are baseless

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"not the neighborhood it used to be"? I forgot about your Archie Bunker gimmick.

Increased crime, overcrowded apartments, houses, schools etc people using the streets as their toilets, strains on local gov't budgets and services are your shining examples of utopia?

[Serpico1103]

How about enforcing the law!!!!!

In that article wasn't he arrested, imprisoned for 10 years, than deported?
Isn't that enforcing the law?
Trust me, I live on the edge of Bensonhurst. I disagree that it is a slum, but the immigrants have impacted it (illegal or not). I think the Asians just as much as the South Americans. Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge are becoming Little Asia.
But, I do not think they are evil killers. They are people born into unfortunate circumstances trying to make a better life. Yes, some are evil killers, but so are some libertarians, Popes, priests, presidents, CEOs, etc.
I do think something needs to be done. My main problem is with your constant characterization of immigrants (ILLEGAL ALIENS) as all horrible monsters.
I do not buy the "they do the jobs we won't" lie. Yes, I won't do the job for $8 an hour. No one should in the US, our cost of living makes that impossible unless you live like an animal, which unfortunately for the aliens, that is a step up from where they come from.
We should avoid companies that use overseas labor, immigrant labor, or cheap labor in general (e.x. WalMart). It hurts us all when we have to indirectly subsidize these poorly paid workers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In that article wasn't he arrested, imprisoned for 10 years, than deported?
Isn't that enforcing the law?
Trust me, I live on the edge of Bensonhurst. I disagree that it is a slum, but the immigrants have impacted it (illegal or not). I think the Asians just as much as the South Americans. Bensonhurst and Bay Ridge are becoming Little Asia.
But, I do not think they are evil killers. They are people born into unfortunate circumstances trying to make a better life. Yes, some are evil killers, but so are some libertarians, Popes, priests, presidents, CEOs, etc.
I do think something needs to be done. My main problem is with your constant characterization of immigrants (ILLEGAL ALIENS) as all horrible monsters.
I do not buy the "they do the jobs we won't" lie. Yes, I won't do the job for $8 an hour. No one should in the US, our cost of living makes that impossible unless you live like an animal, which unfortunately for the aliens, that is a step up from where they come from.
We should avoid companies that use overseas labor, immigrant labor, or cheap labor in general (e.x. WalMart). It hurts us all when we have to indirectly subsidize these poorly paid workers.

Yes he slithered back into this country. Again how are these illegals poor? It costs thousands to pay a coyote to sneak into the country, so if he was already deported he must have had enough money to pay to come back here

I have noticed the change ove the past 15 years in towns and cities in Westchester, the taxes going thru the roof and quality of life going down due to these illegal aliens


I agree, cheap labor isn't cheap

[Serpico1103]

Yes he slithered back into this country. Again how are these illegals poor? It costs thousands to pay a coyote to sneak into the country, so if he was already deported he must have had enough money to pay to come back here
I have noticed the change ove the past 15 years in towns and cities in Westchester, the taxes going thru the roof and quality of life going down due to these illegal aliens
I agree, cheap labor isn't cheap

Do you think the major reason for a change in quality of life is illegal aliens? Not banking collapse, realty bubble burst, recession, shipping labor overseas, two wars consuming government money, etc.

The article only said he got back in. It didn't say whether he paid to or not. I don't think he had money when he was deported and I don't know if the 5-6 years he was out of the country he saved up the money to pay a coyote. Or, if there is some arrangement for payment after. But, I think many illegals run across without the aid of coyotes.

I think shipping labor overseas and our love for credit, fueling consumerism, caused our current state of affairs.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you think the major reason for a change in quality of life is illegal aliens? Not banking collapse, realty bubble burst, recession, shipping labor overseas, two wars consuming government money, etc.

The article only said he got back in. It didn't say whether he paid to or not. I don't think he had money when he was deported and I don't know if the 5-6 years he was out of the country he saved up the money to pay a coyote. Or, if there is some arrangement for payment after. But, I think many illegals run across without the aid of coyotes.

I think shipping labor overseas and our love for credit, fueling consumerism, caused our current state of affairs.

Of course all of those were a factor as with Transfer payments to Illegal aliens in the form of entitlements etc.

Also the amount of money not going into the economy as hundreds of billions of dollars have been shipped out of the country in the form of remittances.

[foodcourtdruide]

How does having 20 million mostly illiterate people from underdeveloped countries benefit society? Once again, your petty comments about xenophobia are baseless

By having a poor working class, who we generally did not have to educate or pay for as children?

You're kidding, right?

So is your crusade against illiterate people?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

By having a poor working class, who we generally did not have to educate or pay for as children?

You're kidding, right?

So is your crusade against illiterate people?

They are children, we are babysitting them because their home country isn't and we are all paying for them. Poor? Haaaa!!! Their salaries increased by at least 500% when they slithered across the border or overstayed their visa. Imagine your salary going up by that much. Illegals send tons of cash back to their home countries, These sob stories and soapbox tales of the poor illegals are laughable at best. Illegals are doing good for themselves.

Having people who consume more than they contribute, Not paying for medical care etc having more jackpot babies which overcrowd schools, increase taxes because now teachers have to learn another language to communicate with them. No wonder local gov'ts are bankrupt.

This report is a bit old but very accurate, no wonder NY is deep in the red

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=17189&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=2061

[badmonkey]

By having a poor working class, who we generally did not have to educate or pay for as children?

You're kidding, right?

So is your crusade against illiterate people?

So you're all for having a permanent group of uneducated poor people to exploit? What's YOUR crusade?

[foodcourtdruide]

So you're all for having a permanent group of uneducated poor people to exploit? What's YOUR crusade?

To exploit? They come here willingly. They obviously feel their lives are better here than where they came from. I'm for stricter border patrol, however, I feel we will ALWAYS have illegal immigrants in this country. So how do you do with that? Do you have an iron fist and strictly enforce the law? Or do you reassess things and see if they are actually a detriment to society, and if assimilating them into society would be more beneficial than some crazy crusade to remove them from this country?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

To exploit? They come here willingly. They obviously feel their lives are better here than where they came from. I'm for stricter border patrol, however, I feel we will ALWAYS have illegal immigrants in this country. So how do you do with that? Do you have an iron fist and strictly enforce the law? Or do you reassess things and see if they are actually a detriment to society, and if assimilating them into society would be more beneficial than some crazy crusade to remove them from this country?

Mass deportations happened in the 50's under Eisenhower. No one is saying that there will never be pockets of illegal aliens here but kicking as many out will send a message to these countries not to encourage their citizens to come here withhout proper documentation. They are a detriment to society, look at all the fiscal problems they cause. They do not want to assimilate, thats what makes them different from the immigrants who came here during the 20th century, these illegals come for handouts and to scam the system.

Again if someone broke into your house who was poor, and went on a rampage, you would't want the police to arrest/remove him from your property?

[underdog]

Mass deportations happened in the 50's under Eisenhower. No one is saying that there will never be pockets of illegal aliens here but kicking as many out will send a message to these countries not to encourage their citizens to come here withhout proper documentation. They are a detriment to society, look at all the fiscal problems they cause. They do not want to assimilate, thats what makes them different from the immigrants who came here during the 20th century, these illegals come for handouts and to scam the system

The immigrants that came here in the 20th century did a great job at assimilating in their South Bostons, Little Italys and Chinatowns.

[Dude!]

The immigrants that came here in the 20th century did a great job at assimilating in their South Bostons, Little Italys and Chinatowns.

exactly
they should have been
kept out too

[badmonkey]

To exploit? They come here willingly. They obviously feel their lives are better here than where they came from. I'm for stricter border patrol, however, I feel we will ALWAYS have illegal immigrants in this country. So how do you do with that? Do you have an iron fist and strictly enforce the law? Or do you reassess things and see if they are actually a detriment to society, and if assimilating them into society would be more beneficial than some crazy crusade to remove them from this country?

So everybody should get minimum wage and benefits unless they come here willingly and feel their lives are better here than were they came from? Is that the standard now? You're not being exploited if you're better off than you would be otherwise. I'm assuming then that you'd be pro-slavery too as long the slaves have better homes and health care than they would have otherwise.

Who said anything about a crazy crusade? If you enforce the laws, enforce the border, limit the availability of job availability by prosecuting employers, etc...most of them will leave on their own.

There's a reason that you have to answer all those questions at Customs when you enter the country from South America. People that don't go through some sort of filter when they enter the country may bring diseases with them, or plant seeds attached to them that damage the environment. They may also CATCH diseases here that kill them because they don't have the same immunizations that we have. There's a lot of things involved with immigration and people crossing the border into the country that you seem to fail to consider in your irrational "you're a xenophobe!" arguments.

[foodcourtdruide]

Mass deportations happened in the 50's under Eisenhower. No one is saying that there will never be pockets of illegal aliens here but kicking as many out will send a message to these countries not to encourage their citizens to come here withhout proper documentation. They are a detriment to society, look at all the fiscal problems they cause. They do not want to assimilate, thats what makes them different from the immigrants who came here during the 20th century, these illegals come for handouts and to scam the system.

Again if someone broke into your house who was poor, and went on a rampage, you would't want the police to arrest/remove him from your property?

Ok. I just can't do this anymore. You are no longer invited to be a part of my movie club.

[foodcourtdruide]

So everybody should get minimum wage and benefits unless they come here willingly and feel their lives are better here than were they came from? Is that the standard now? You're not being exploited if you're better off than you would be otherwise. I'm assuming then that you'd be pro-slavery too as long the slaves have better homes and health care than they would have otherwise.

I think the pro-slave comparison was a bit of an unnecessary hyperbole. I'm fine with them being a poor working class, not being treated worse than U.S. law allows anyone to be treated. You can call that exploitation, but I think you're just using a reactionary word.


Who said anything about a crazy crusade? If you enforce the laws, enforce the border, limit the availability of job availability by prosecuting employers, etc...most of them will leave on their own.


You know wrestlingfan has mentioned deporting all illegal immigrants, right? He wants to get rid of the department of education to fund this. If that's not a crazy crusade, I don't know what is.


There's a reason that you have to answer all those questions at Customs when you enter the country from South America. People that don't go through some sort of filter when they enter the country may bring diseases with them, or plant seeds attached to them that damage the environment. They may also CATCH diseases here that kill them because they don't have the same immunizations that we have. There's a lot of things involved with immigration and people crossing the border into the country that you seem to fail to consider in your irrational "you're a xenophobe!" arguments.

Who on Earth failed to consider those things? In my post I mention I'm for stricter border patrol. However, this is a problem that EXISTS. If you forego reasoning and logic with ranting about how illegal immigrants are the root cause to societies ills, I'm sorry you come off as a xenophobe (I do not mean YOU do this, I'm speaking generally). There ARE positives to having the current illegal immigrants in this country and there ARE negatives. We should try to embrace those positives, and eliminate those negatives best we can. There is no pie-in-the-sky solution either way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ok. I just can't do this anymore. You are no longer invited to be a part of my movie club.

Why do you hate white taxpaying productive members of society? Xenophobe!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think the pro-slave comparison was a bit of an unnecessary hyperbole. I'm fine with them being a poor working class, not being treated worse than U.S. law allows anyone to be treated. You can call that exploitation, but I think you're just using a reactionary word.



You know wrestlingfan has mentioned deporting all illegal immigrants, right? He wants to get rid of the department of education to fund this. If that's not a crazy crusade, I don't know what is.



Who on Earth failed to consider those things? In my post I mention I'm for stricter border patrol. However, this is a problem that EXISTS. If you forego reasoning and logic with ranting about how illegal immigrants are the root cause to societies ills, I'm sorry you come off as a xenophobe (I do not mean YOU do this, I'm speaking generally). There ARE positives to having the current illegal immigrants in this country and there ARE negatives. We should try to embrace those positives, and eliminate those negatives best we can. There is no pie-in-the-sky solution either way.


Getting rid of the Dept of education is crazy? Thats a savings of at least 150 billion a year. Plus its not needed

[underdog]

Why do you hate white taxpaying productive members of society? Xenophobe!!!!

Stop pretending you have a job or pay taxes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stop pretending you have a job or pay taxes.

Someones gotta pay for Jose and Consuelas,, Boris and Natalia's, Cian and Siobhans jackpot babies

[foodcourtdruide]

Why do you hate white taxpaying productive members of society? Xenophobe!!!!

That's funny. I just got my W-2 today.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Stop pretending you have a job or pay taxes.

Just because your job at the cat food factory is secure is no reason to gloat.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just because your job at the cat food factory is secure is no reason to gloat.

so much for illegals do jobs that Americans won't do

[underdog]

Just because your job at the cat food factory is secure is no reason to gloat.

Cat Albert hates foreigners.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how these idiots want to dictate to us how we should enforce our laws. They broke the law and are now lecturing us. Attn amigos, want family unity? Stay in your home country and raise your families there!!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immig-reform2-2010feb02,0,1407366.story

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And this is why dead weight Republican shills like McLame Grahmnesty and Crist are useless. They want illegal aliens counted in the Census


http://www.postonpolitics.com/2010/02/crist-says-rubio-absurd-for-not-wanting-to-count-illegal-immigrants-in-census/

[underdog]

Amazing how these idiots want to dictate to us how we should enforce our laws. They broke the law and are now lecturing us. Attn amigos, want family unity? Stay in your home country and raise your families there!!!

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-immig-reform2-2010feb02,0,1407366.story

And this is why dead weight Republican shills like McLame Grahmnesty and Crist are useless. They want illegal aliens counted in the Census


http://www.postonpolitics.com/2010/02/crist-says-rubio-absurd-for-not-wanting-to-count-illegal-immigrants-in-census/

Who are you talking to?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who are you talking to?

Anyone who wants open borders and allowing people who don't belong in this country to stay

[foodcourtdruide]

Anyone who wants open borders and allowing people who don't belong in this country to stay

I have never seen anyone on this board propose that we open borders or do something as simple as allowing people who don't belong in this country stay.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I have never seen anyone on this board propose that we open borders or do something as simple as allowing people who don't belong in this country stay.

nobody said that they should be given a "path to citizenship"? or something to that effect

[SonOfSmeagol]

I have never seen anyone on this board propose that we open borders or do something as simple as allowing people who don't belong in this country stay.

So then, you're saying that they should be deported, are you not?

[foodcourtdruide]

nobody said that they should be given a "path to citizenship"? or something to that effect

So you've determined that we all mean that this "path to citizenship" would be a simple easy process and not be used as a filter to assimilate those that would be productive members of our society into this country, and impose stricter laws on those who will not?

Just admit that you can't answer underdog's question.

[foodcourtdruide]

So then, you're saying that they should be deported, are you not?

You are both oversimplifying something incredibly complicated.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You are both oversimplifying something incredibly complicated.

It was done previous times. Also its not complicated to severely punish the employers and landlords.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you've determined that we all mean that this "path to citizenship" would be a simple easy process and not be used as a filter to assimilate those that would be productive members of our society into this country, and impose stricter laws on those who will not?

Just admit that you can't answer underdog's question.

This would be a legal nightmare. There would be lawsuits saying that the "poor" illegals cant afford to pay whatever fine it is. Also theres a 1st ammendment problem as well, although it would be great for them to learn English, they can not be forced to learn English. For the most part illegal aliens are not productive members of society. as many can not read or write, a lot are fugitives from their home country,Again we are rewarding people who knowlingly broke the law. There are your answers.

Still think it isnt a problem?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020302405_2.html

Again why should we be forced to babysit these people, they are causing a financial strain on every sector of the economy.

[foodcourtdruide]

This would be a legal nightmare. There would be lawsuits saying that the "poor" illegals cant afford to pay whatever fine it is. Also theres a 1st ammendment problem as well, although it would be great for them to learn English, they can not be forced to learn English. For the most part illegal aliens are not productive members of society. Again we are rewarding people who knowlingly broke the law. There are your answers.

Who said anything about forcing anyone to learn English? I also find it hilarious that you see my scenario as a legal nightmare, but not yours. The goal is not to force illegal immigrants to pay fines and make their lives more difficult so you can feel better about yourself, the goal is to deal with this problem in a humane way that benefits our society.

Ensure they are working or seeking work, have a low tolerance for crimes committed, make sure they are driving legally and maintaining legal documents, etc. There are ways to measure how productive a member of society is without throwing gigantic fines at them.

[SonOfSmeagol]

You are both oversimplifying something incredibly complicated.

Not really. I posted this in Sep in the Immigration/Health Care thread and stand behind it.

Well, they are here illegally after all. Thus they are entitled to nothing really other than a ticket home. THEY chose to come here and remain here against the established laws of this country. If you don’t like that then work to change the laws. Talk to ANYONE who DOES come here through the process and they will be the most angry and annoyed with those who don’t, and rightly so.

When illegals start paying their share of taxes (which by definition they do not, other than pittance sales taxes when they buy their goods here) then maybe they can participate in their share of benefits. Then there’s the argument that they’re here anyway, and they do jobs cheaply that others don’t want to do, so they contribute to the economy, and so forth… Well, if they were not here the system of supply and demand would have a tendency to correct that. The work would get done, get done at a higher price/wage, and those doing it would actually be contributing something back to the system through taxes.

That said I would be all for some sort of amnesty program for those already here - to allow them to take the steps necessary to establish themselves legally - if they are not of the criminal element and are willing to “become legitimate”. If that happens though, to make that approach effective we will have to step up and rigorously enforce our immigration laws and borders and stop the flow of illegals. Otherwise, such as program would be worthless. Then, these people could become contributing members of this country and be eligible for benefits available to those who chose to follow the law in the first place.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who said anything about forcing anyone to learn English? I also find it hilarious that you see my scenario as a legal nightmare, but not yours. The goal is not to force illegal immigrants to pay fines and make their lives more difficult so you can feel better about yourself, the goal is to deal with this problem in a humane way that benefits our society.

Ensure they are working or seeking work, have a low tolerance for crimes committed, make sure they are driving legally and maintaining legal documents, etc. There are ways to measure how productive a member of society is without throwing gigantic fines at them.

The proposals under the failed plan in 2007 was to force them to learn English. The most humane way is to send them back, so it betters our society and eases the financial strain that this human Tsunami has caused.

[foodcourtdruide]

This would be a legal nightmare. There would be lawsuits saying that the "poor" illegals cant afford to pay whatever fine it is. Also theres a 1st ammendment problem as well, although it would be great for them to learn English, they can not be forced to learn English. For the most part illegal aliens are not productive members of society. as many can not read or write, a lot are fugitives from their home country,Again we are rewarding people who knowlingly broke the law. There are your answers.

Still think it isnt a problem?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/03/AR2010020302405_2.html

Again why should we be forced to babysit these people, they are causing a financial strain on every sector of the economy.

Your anti-illiterate rants are always extremely odd to me. Please prove that "a lot are fugitives from their home country." Also, if you're so concerned with punishing people that broke the law then why don't I ever see you posting about harsher penalties for people who speed or drive wrecklessly on the highway? Everyday, more people get away with traffic violations than being an illegal immigrant. Yet, you dont seem to care about that. Why not?

[foodcourtdruide]

The proposals under the failed plan in 2007 was to force them to learn English. The most humane way is to send them back, so it betters our society and eases the financial strain that this human Tsunami has caused.

Yeah, just sending them back and breaking up families sounds totally humane.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, just sending them back and breaking up families sounds totally humane.





I will say it again. They chose to break the law. I have no pity or sympathy.
They can bring their jackpot babies back with them, no ones saying that they aren't allowed to. Im for family unity.

Should we shut down the jails then? After all families are being broken up when daddy decides to rob a bank and gets sent to jail for 15 years. How unhumane!!!

[underdog]

I have never seen anyone on this board propose that we open borders or do something as simple as allowing people who don't belong in this country stay.

I don't care, so that's pretty much the same thing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't care, so that's pretty much the same thing.

Whats your address? Having a Superbowl party? I might bring about 20 friends

[underdog]

Whats your address? Having a Superbowl party? I might bring about 20 friends

My borders are not open.

[SonOfSmeagol]

My borders are not open.

Doesn't matter. They'll find a way in, then be there to stay.

[underdog]

Doesn't matter. They'll find a way in, then be there to stay.

Cat Albert has already chased plenty of illegals out of my house. We have to lock her up when the illegal comes now.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Cat Albert has already chased plenty of illegals out of my house. We have to lock her up when the illegal comes now.

That Cat Albert is one versatile cat - kind of like a "Swiss Army Cat". She's awesome.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Some good news

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/09/AR2010020903702.html

Now only if 19 million others would return to their home countries

[Ritalin]

Red Meat:

(from the Daily News immigration advice column):

Q. I'm undocumented. Can I travel within the United States by plane, train or bus? My husband and my three children are all U.S. citizens, but I've never managed to get legal status. I'm not sure that I'll ever get it.

Narda Robinson, Bronx

A. Many undocumented immigrants travel freely throughout the U.S. without encountering immigration officials.

It is unlikely that traveling by car, bus or train will be a problem unless you visit an area near a land border. For instance, if you were to visit Niagara Falls, N.Y., near the Canadian border, your risk of getting caught increases. As for air travel, some experts don't recommend it, but many of my undocumented clients have flown within the U.S. To board an airplane, all travelers need an ID issued by the government. A foreign passport meets that requirement. Of course, if an incident occurred on the plane and the authorities carefully interviewed all passengers, you could face problems. For information on documents that qualify you to travel by air, go to the U.S. Transportation and Safety Administration (TSA) Web site at www.tsa.gov. Click on "For Travelers," then "Acceptable Identification at the Checkpoint."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chris Christie to illegals. partys over!!!!


February 16, 2010
The Washington Times

Mr. Christie is cutting money for schools, colleges, hospitals and the New Jersey Transit system - 375 line items total. He is removing noncitizens from the state health care system and canceling a jobs program that mainly created jobs for government bureaucrats. His cuts are intended to impose efficiency and accountability on government spending, concepts people generally do not associate with New Jersey politics.

Mr. Christie is taking withering fire for his efforts, which is a knee-jerk response to making hard choices, particularly when they affect government spending that some came to view as entitlements. But he is doing what he was elected to do. Mr. Christie's rationale is that, "We cannot spend money on everything we want." It's an approach refreshing in its simplicity and common sense.

[Ritalin]

Chris Christie to illegals. partys over!!!!


February 16, 2010
The Washington Times

Mr. Christie is cutting money for schools, colleges, hospitals and the New Jersey Transit system - 375 line items total. He is removing noncitizens from the state health care system and canceling a jobs program that mainly created jobs for government bureaucrats. His cuts are intended to impose efficiency and accountability on government spending, concepts people generally do not associate with New Jersey politics.

Mr. Christie is taking withering fire for his efforts, which is a knee-jerk response to making hard choices, particularly when they affect government spending that some came to view as entitlements. But he is doing what he was elected to do. Mr. Christie's rationale is that, "We cannot spend money on everything we want." It's an approach refreshing in its simplicity and common sense.

Good thing? Yes and no.

Financially, makes sense BUT the health care system is a screening point for exotic and infectious diseases that would more likely than not be carried by recently arrived immigrants.

So is that a good trade off for us? I don't know.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of diseases, we are getting people here with TB and other contageous diseases. Furthermore their sanitary practices in many countries they come from arent up to par

Another reason why we should not allow this flooding of uneducated illiterate people from the 3rd world

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine3.htm

[epo]

Speaking of diseases, we are getting people here with TB and other contageous diseases. Furthermore their sanitary practices in many countries they come from arent up to par

Another reason why we should not allow this flooding of uneducated illiterate people from the 3rd world

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine3.htm

Vito Corleone needs to be quarantined.

[underdog]

Speaking of diseases, we are getting people here with TB and other contageous diseases. Furthermore their sanitary practices in many countries they come from arent up to par

Another reason why we should not allow this flooding of uneducated illiterate people from the 3rd world

http://www.newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine3.htm

So you're saying we should give illegals health care.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you're saying we should give illegals health care.

We should keep them out and kick out the ones that are here

[underdog]

We should keep them out and kick out the ones that are here

That's fine, but unrealistic. What do we do in the meantime with all the sick illegals?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's fine, but unrealistic. What do we do in the meantime with all the sick illegals?


Let them Die. Why should hospitals go broke giving them kidney dialasys or an organ transplant?

http://www.lvrj.com/news/53343302.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/grady-dialysis-patients-emotionally-279664.html

http://www.meyersi.com/index.php?section=pages&item=hospitals-are-going-bankrupt

Let them go back to their own countries for treatment, why do we need to babysit them?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Let them Die. Why should hospitals go broke giving them kidney dialasys or an organ transplant?

http://www.lvrj.com/news/53343302.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/grady-dialysis-patients-emotionally-279664.html

http://www.meyersi.com/index.php?section=pages&item=hospitals-are-going-bankrupt

Let them go back to their own countries for treatment, why do we need to babysit them?

Another route can be send their home country the bill and if its not paid, deduct it from foreign aid

[underdog]

Let them Die. Why should hospitals go broke giving them kidney dialasys or an organ transplant?

http://www.lvrj.com/news/53343302.html

http://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta/grady-dialysis-patients-emotionally-279664.html

http://www.meyersi.com/index.php?section=pages&item=hospitals-are-going-bankrupt

Let them go back to their own countries for treatment, why do we need to babysit them?

I think you're missing the point (surprise).

These people are here sick. They'll infect the actual citizens who live here. If you deny them healthcare, they will continue to spread their diseases. If you could see through your irrational hatred for even one second you would realize there's a much, much bigger picture than a bunch of sick brown people.

It's not as black and white as "let them die", which also just shows a lot about your character.

"We should keep them out and kick out the ones that are here" is as shortsighted, idiotic and unrealistic as the "don't do drugs, they'll kill you" and "abstinence only" people.

[underdog]

Another route can be send their home country the bill and if its not paid, deduct it from foreign aid

That's just fucking retarded.

[Ritalin]

I think you're missing the point (surprise).

These people are here sick. They'll infect the actual citizens who live here. If you deny them healthcare, they will continue to spread their diseases. If you could see through your irrational hatred for even one second you would realize there's a much, much bigger picture than a bunch of sick brown people.

It's not as black and white as "let them die", which also just shows a lot about your character.

"We should keep them out and kick out the ones that are here" is as shortsighted, idiotic and unrealistic as the "don't do drugs, they'll kill you" and "abstinence only" people.

I'd like to say that I got Underdogs point before he even said it. Gold star day for me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think you're missing the point (surprise).

These people are here sick. They'll infect the actual citizens who live here. If you deny them healthcare, they will continue to spread their diseases. If you could see through your irrational hatred for even one second you would realize there's a much, much bigger picture than a bunch of sick brown people.



It's not as black and white as "let them die", which also just shows a lot about your character.

"We should keep them out and kick out the ones that are here" is as shortsighted, idiotic and unrealistic as the "don't do drugs, they'll kill you" and "abstinence only" people.

We can have illegal death panels

To hell with them, they should have stayed in their own country

Send them home for their countries to take care of them!! Why cant you get it? its that simple!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's just fucking retarded.

How is that retarded? Why not punish the countries who send their unwanted here for us to babysit them

[underdog]

Send them home for their countries to take care of them!! Why cant you get it? its that simple!!!!

BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

Jesus fucking christ. Rounding them all up and sending them away is not realistic, or else IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.

How is that retarded? Why not punish the countries who send their unwanted here for us to babysit them

Because the countries aren't "sending" people here.

And punishing the whole of the country for a few of their peoples actions is fucking retarded.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING SIMPLE.

Jesus fucking christ. Rounding them all up and sending them away is not realistic, or else IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.



Because the countries aren't "sending" people here.

And punishing the whole of the country for a few of their peoples actions is fucking retarded.

IT HAPPENED UNDER EISENHOWER IT CAN BE DONE AGAIN!!!

Mexico encourages their unwanted to cross the border illegally, there are books and pamphlets printed by the mexican gov't, enough with the sob stories already!!!

[underdog]

IT HAPPENED UNDER EISENHOWER IT CAN BE DONE AGAIN!!!

Mexico encourages their unwanted to cross the border illegally, there are books and pamphlets printed by the mexican gov't, enough with the sob stories already!!!

What about the sick immigrants not from Mexico?

We had no illegal immigrants in our country during Eisenhower's reign?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What about the sick immigrants not from Mexico?

We had no illegal immigrants in our country during Eisenhower's reign?

Again to come to this country people had to be cleared of any diseases, illegal immigration wasnt a human tsunami like it is today.

I don't believe the wave of sick immigrants were bankrupting hospitals 55 years ago

Our government is failing to enforce the law, they are part of the problem

McCain is running scared, Crist is behind in the polls. Both are for open borders.

Let BHO and the Democrats try to push thru Amnesty, you think healthcare was a fight, just wait

[underdog]

McCain is running scared, Crist is behind in the polls. Both are for open borders.

McCain is for open borders and he lives in Arizona, where there is virtually no illegal immigrant problem, so he has no experience in the matter and has no idea what he's talking about.

You live in Connecticut, a state right on the border with Mexico and have seen many illegal immigrants up close and personal and know exactly of what you speak.

I think I have that right.

[sailor]

McCain is for open borders and he lives in Arizona, where there is virtually no illegal immigrant problem, so he has no experience in the matter and has no idea what he's talking about.

You live in Connecticut, a state right on the border with Mexico and have seen many illegal immigrants up close and personal and know exactly of what you speak.

I think I have that right.

i think your facts are wrong.

[lleeder]

McCain isn't for open borders and he lives in Arizona, where there is an illegal immigrant problem, so he has experience in the matter and has an idea what he's talking about.

You don't live in Connecticut, a state not on the border with Mexico and haven't seen many illegal immigrants up close and personal and don't know exactly of what you speak.

I think I don't have that right.

[underdog]

i think your facts are wrong.

I didn't even know McCain was for open borders. I have no idea what is right anymore.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McCain is for open borders and he lives in Arizona, where there is virtually no illegal immigrant problem, so he has no experience in the matter and has no idea what he's talking about.

You live in Connecticut, a state right on the border with Mexico and have seen many illegal immigrants up close and personal and know exactly of what you speak.

I think I have that right.

I moved to CT from suburban NYC. Take a drive down I 95 south and visit the once fine communities like Port Chester and Mamaroneck as many parts have become dumps then we can continue this conversation. In the meantime rant all you want. Until they build a fence around Mass. you can't keep me out

[underdog]

I moved to CT from suburban NYC. Take a drive down I 95 south and visit the once fine communities like Port Chester and Mamaroneck as many parts have become dumps then we can continue this conversation. In the meantime rant all you want. Until they build a fence around Mass. you can't keep me out

living off the state in suburban NYC =/= being a senator in the state of Arizona

[WRESTLINGFAN]

living off the state in suburban NYC =/= being a senator in the state of Arizona

Youre just in a state of lunacy now

[Ritalin]

I moved to CT from suburban NYC. Take a drive down I 95 south and visit the once fine communities like Port Chester and Mamaroneck as many parts have become dumps then we can continue this conversation. In the meantime rant all you want. Until they build a fence around Mass. you can't keep me out

Stamford IS suburban NYC.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Stamford IS suburban NYC.

I know that. I grew up in Westchester

[underdog]

I know that. I grew up in Westchester

That explains a lot.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That explains a lot.

And Ive seen over the past 15 years how some of the neighborhoods now look like slums

[underdog]

And Ive seen over the past 15 years how some of the neighborhoods now look like slums

From the other side of the back window of a limo.

[Crispy_Mobile]

I moved to CT from suburban NYC. Take a drive down I 95 south and visit the once fine communities like Port Chester and Mamaroneck as many parts have become dumps then we can continue this conversation. In the meantime rant all you want. Until they build a fence around Mass. you can't keep me out

that's the difference between Ny & Fl. All the nice expensive communities were on the coast, now they are built up near the exits of interstates & toll roads.

[A.J.]

You live in Connecticut, a state right on the border with Mexico and have seen many illegal immigrants up close and personal and know exactly of what you speak.

CT might as well be on the border with Puerto Rico. English is now practically a second language in my parents' hometown.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Even towns in Northern Westchester are becoming shitholes thanks to these dirtbag landlords who rent flophouses to these illegal aliens. Not only do we have to worry about drunken illegals now they are doing blow. I thought they were poor, how can they afford that?

http://www.lohud.com/article/20100222/NEWS02/100222009/-Boy--17--robbed-and-cut-in-Mount-Kisco

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CT might as well be on the border with Puerto Rico. English is now practically a second language in my parents' hometown.

Would that be near Bridgepuertorico?

[sailor]

Even towns in Northern Westchester are becoming shitholes thanks to these dirtbag landlords who rent flophouses to these illegal aliens. Not only do we have to worry about drunken illegals now they are doing blow. I thought they were poor, how can they afford that?

http://www.lohud.com/article/20100222/NEWS02/100222009/-Boy--17--robbed-and-cut-in-Mount-Kisco

it didn't say they were illegal aliens.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it didn't say they were illegal aliens.

All the signs are there. That part of Kisco is loaded with them, it didnt say anything about bail so most likely there will be a detainer on them. I can be 99.999999999999% sure they are

[sailor]

seems like a stretch.

[Ritalin]

Would that be near Bridgepuertorico?

I miss Jai Alai.

[booster11373]

Would that be near Bridgepuertorico?

With lines like this you must be the funniest gal at those meetings!

[underdog]

seems like a stretch.

This could be a comment on at least 70% of his posts.

[underdog]

With lines like this you must be the funniest gal at those meetings!

Wait until you hear his names for all the liberals. They're hilarious!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hire an illegal and get rewarded

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/february-24-2010/senate-passes-jobs-bill-rewards-businesses-hiring-illegal-aliens.html

[booster11373]

Hire an illegal and get rewarded

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/february-24-2010/senate-passes-jobs-bill-rewards-businesses-hiring-illegal-aliens.html

You hadn't posted your nonsense for a few days I figured you got deported

Welcome back young lady!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You hadn't posted your nonsense for a few days I figured you got deported

Welcome back young lady!

Im in a lovely hacienda built with remittances sent back to my country. Im the only one in my village with indoor plumbing and electricity and im bangin all the wives whose husbands are in the states freezing their asses off looking for someone to pick them up for a days work

[booster11373]

Im in a lovely hacienda built with remittances sent back to my country. Im the only one in my village with indoor plumbing and electricity and im bangin all the wives whose husbands are in the states freezing their asses off looking for someone to pick them up for a days work

There's that razor's edge wit we have been missing around here!

[sailor]

Wait until you hear his names for all the liberals. They're hilarious!

you libs are just as bad.

[underdog]

First gvac called me a hipster, now you're calling me A liberal. I have no idea who I am anymore.

[The Bends]

Who are we to tell someone else that they can't improve their lives? As long as the immigrant comes to America the right way, more power to them! What are some avenues toward the right way?....

Free of disease
Clean, criminal record
Fluent in English
Completely goes the legal route

That's not asking too much!

[sailor]

First gvac called me a hipster, now you're calling me A liberal. I have no idea who I am anymore.

most hipsters are libs, right? where were you drinking last night? guess that makes gvac right, and my supposition follows from there.

[TjM]

illiterate uneducated peasant who happened to make it across the border

Nah you ain't prejudice

[sailor]

Nah you ain't prejudice

well, not the incarnation of it. Probably not.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nah you ain't prejudice

How many scientists, doctors, engineers etc are flooding the border? Those are the facts.

[TjM]

How many scientists, doctors, engineers etc are flooding the border? Those are the facts.

How many "jackpot babies" end up a doctor, lawyer, etc? You haven't a fucking clue and neither do I. Just admit you're blinded by hate. We get it you hate Hispanics.

[TjM]

I didn't think it was possible but you've shot past Anthony Cumia on the insanity meter

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How many "jackpot babies" end up a doctor, lawyer, etc? You haven't a fucking clue and neither do I. Just admit you're blinded by hate. We get it you hate Hispanics.

Typical rant from someone who has nothing to add to this discussion. Again facts are presented to you by them just being here but when you have nothing you spew out the tired old line of racism. PATHETIC!!!!

Take a peek at this

http://www.cis.org/articles/2007/sacoped121507.html


Hers's more

An illegal immigrant couple with six children were already living in poverty. Then the quadruplets arrived. They're still in a daze.

With two teenage daughters at home and triplets still in diapers, Angela Magdaleno's family overflowed from a one-bedroom apartment in South Los Angeles that they strained to afford.
Diapers had to be changed 15 times a day, feedings held every three hours. One triplet, 3-year-old Alfredo Jr., needed special attention because he was born with liquid on his brain and partially paralyzed.
Neither Magdaleno nor her husband speaks English, though she has been in the United States 22 years and he 28. Even her teenage daughters speak mostly Spanish; their English vocabulary is limited.
Yet all of Magdaleno's 10 children are U.S. citizens. The triplets receive subsidized school lunches. All the youngsters have had their healthcare bills covered by Medi-Cal, the state and federal healthcare program for the poor.

Alfredo Jr. had been hospitalized all his life until recently. He's had three state-funded brain operations and will require several more, the family said. The couple receive $700 in monthly Social Security payments to help with his medical needs

Why would these immoral unfit parents have more kids when they are already living in squalor? These parents are some of the most self centered, immoral people in the world. In general poor people who keep having children is reprehensible

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Illegal aliens are ruining not just Border states or places like NY or NJ, they are also causing damage to mid atlantic states. Maryland has been devastated by the illegals. Heres a good plan that punishes employers who are a major player in this problem


http://www.wmdt.com/Delmarvas-Top-News-Stories.aspx?item=4943

Here are the economic damages illegals have caused in Maryland

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2/1717633281?page=NewsArticle&id=21907&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1761

[Syd]

All things being equal, I live in Maryland and I can safely say the "illegals" aren't hurting Maryland's march to the economic zenith of the USA. The median household income for the state is as follows:

Rank ↓ State ↓ 2008 ↓ 2007 ↓ 2004-2006 ↓
1 Maryland $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey $70,378 $67,035 $64,169

United States $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [2]PDF (median household income for the US)

We're slightly petit/straight bourgie out here though, with 120k+ households with over a million in assets. However, it's still an overall upper middle class state with working areas still spiking nearly $100k in median household income.

Our median household income has climbed an climbed, eclipsing all others. Illegal immigration has been a major boon to Maryland. Our unemployment never really went above 7.5% or so during this entire recession as well. The budget deficit largely stems from poor handling of Baltimore City, a bad tax system (favoring sales tax over income tax) and many, many corruption issues.

Maryland did vote to change its driver license requirements -- it used to be pretty open which made it a prime destination for people coming to seek a better life. Now that it is gone, immigration seems to have been curtailed for the time being.

I'd go so far to say that Maryland is a shining example of why immigration needs to be reformed, but only to make it far more open than it currently is.

[Dude!]

All things being equal, I live in Maryland and I can safely say the "illegals" aren't hurting Maryland's march to the economic zenith of the USA. The median household income for the state is as follows:

Rank ↓ State ↓ 2008 ↓ 2007 ↓ 2004-2006 ↓
1 Maryland $70,545 $68,080 $62,372
2 New Jersey $70,378 $67,035 $64,169

United States $52,029 $50,740 $46,242 (2005) [2]PDF (median household income for the US)

We're slightly petit/straight bourgie out here though, with 120k+ households with over a million in assets. However, it's still an overall upper middle class state with working areas still spiking nearly $100k in median household income.

Our median household income has climbed an climbed, eclipsing all others. Illegal immigration has been a major boon to Maryland. Our unemployment never really went above 7.5% or so during this entire recession as well. The budget deficit largely stems from poor handling of Baltimore City, a bad tax system (favoring sales tax over income tax) and many, many corruption issues.

Maryland did vote to change its driver license requirements -- it used to be pretty open which made it a prime destination for people coming to seek a better life. Now that it is gone, immigration seems to have been curtailed for the time being.

I'd go so far to say that Maryland is a shining example of why immigration needs to be reformed, but only to make it far more open than it currently is.

nonsense

Maryland's high incomes are due
to the largest employer
being the US government
and their wasting of my tax dollars
on meaningless, redundant jobs

take the government payroll
out of your "incomes"
and Maryland is just another
struggling state

[Syd]

nonsense

Maryland's high incomes are due
to the largest employer
being the US government
and their wasting of my tax dollars
on meaningless, redundant jobs

take the government payroll
out of your "incomes"
and Maryland is just another
struggling state

list of the largest employers by employees in Maryland:
University System of Maryland )
Industry: Education
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 35,000
Search for a Job

Fort Meade
Industry: Military installation
Location: Fort Meade
Approx. Employees: 30,225
Search for a Job

Johns Hopkins University
Industry: Education
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 25,000
Search for a Job

National Institutes of Health
Industry: Hospitals/Health Services
Location: Bethesda
Approx. Employees: 18,630
Search for a Job

Wal-Mart
Industry: Consumer goods
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 18,325
Search for a Job

MedStar Health
Industry: Hospitals/Health Services
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 17,400
Search for a Job

Johns Hopkins Hospital and Health System
Industry: Hospitals/Health Services
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 16,000
Search for a Job

Andrews Air Force Base
Industry: Military Installation
Location: Andrews AFB
Approx. Employees: 15,000
Search for a Job

University of Maryland Medical System
Industry: Hospital/Health Services
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 14,800
Search for a Job

Verizon
Industry: Communication Services
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 14,000
Search for a Job

Giant Food
Industry: Groceries
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 14,000
Search for a Job

Aberdeen Proving Ground
Industry: Military Installation
Location: Aberdeen
Approx. Employees: 12,500
Search for a Job

U.S. Social Security Administration
Industry: Federal Agency
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 12,000
Search for a Job

Northrop Grumman
Industry: Electronic Systems
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 11,000
Search for a Job

Patuxent River Naval Air Station
Industry: Military Installation
Location: Lexington Park
Approx. Employees: 10,500
Search for a Job

Lockheed Martin
Industry: Aerospace and Electronics
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 9,777
Search for a Job

U.S. Food and Drug Admin.
Industry: Federal agency
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 8,400
Search for a Job

Marriott International
Industry: Food and Lodging Services
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 8,000
Search for a Job

Safeway
Industry: Groceries
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 7,600
Search for a Job

Constellation Energy Group
Industry: Energy Services
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 7,500
Search for a Job

United Parcel Service
Industry: Package Delivery Services
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 7,425
Search for a Job

Adventist Health Care
Industry: Hospital/Health Services
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 7,200
Search for a Job

Home Depot
Industry: Home Improvement Products
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 7,145
Search for a Job

Lifebridge Health
Industry: Hospital/Health Services
Location: Baltimore
Approx. Employees: 6,965
Search for a Job

Internal Revenue Service
Industry: Federal Agency
Location: Multiple locations
Approx. Employees: 6,440
Search for a Job

MARYLAND TOPS THE NATION IN ADVANCED PLACEMENT ACHIEVEMENT, PARTICIPATION

BALTIMORE, MD (February 4, 2009)

Maryland education gained its second number one national ranking in as many months today as the College Board released its annual report on the rigorous Advanced Placement (AP) program.

The percentage of Maryland seniors who earned a score of 3 or higher on one or more AP exams reached 23.4 percent in 2008, the highest percentage in the nation. Maryland slipped past New York for the first time to take the top spot in the College Board’s “Annual AP Report to the Nation.” A score of 3 or better is considered “college mastery level” on the AP exams, and many higher education institutions award college credit for high school students scoring in that range.

Maryland also ranked first in the nation in the percentage of graduating seniors who had taken an AP exam. More than a third of all seniors last year—37.2 percent—had taken at least one AP test.

“We’re proud to announce today that Maryland has a new number one ranking, just weeks after another publication ranked Maryland’s public schools the best in the nation,” said Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley. “It’s an extraordinary distinction and one that doesn’t come as a surprise to anyone who is familiar with the dedication and professionalism of Maryland’s educators who have made our system the best in the America.”

Today’s announcement follows last month’s news that Maryland schools ranked first in the nation by Education Week’s “Quality Counts” report. That report looked at a variety of policy and performance measures, including last year’s AP data.

While the state of Maryland has many public sector employees, there's still a very large segment of the population employed in the private sector along with the fact that 1 in 3 citizens of Maryland have a college diploma. Our education system is second to none and with our exceptional diploma rate, we command very high salaries.

[Syd]

and last but not least, this nugget:
Most Marylanders work in the service-providing sector. Jobs cover a wide spectrum: from government positions to transportation-related professions, from wholesale trade to the finance and insurance industry. In 2008, nearly 18% of the workforce was employed by federal, State and local governments, while professional and business services accounted for 15.7% of employment. A substantial number of workers (49,820) are employed in information industries, with 21,000 in telecommunications. Nonetheless, 81% of workers are employed in the private sector with 12.3% (313,044) employed in goods-producing business establishments.

[Dude!]

and last but not least, this nugget:

nugget?
it proves my point
1 in 5 workers in Maryland
is employed by the Government

according to the Federal Govt's
own site, 94,000 + people have
STATE OR LOCAL government
jobs in your pathetic state
89,000 + of which are full-time:

http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/08stmd.txt

those numbers do not even include
the Marylanders who work
for the Federal Government!!!!!

like I said, take those ENORMOUS payrolls
out of your state
and you are just like Rhode Island

[A.J.]

While the state of Maryland has many public sector employees, there's still a very large segment of the population employed in the private sector along with the fact that 1 in 3 citizens of Maryland have a college diploma. Our education system is second to none and with our exceptional diploma rate, we command very high salaries.

You tell them El Mudo!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I knew it. Here comes another push for Amnesty led by 2 pieces of garbage from each party.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-immigration5-2010mar05,0,1123497.story

[A.J.]

I hate Qatar. All the menial jobs are done by filthy foreigners.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More of the same. Unfortunately there will be more like this lowlife


http://www.abc26.com/news/local/wgno-news-illegal-alien-rape-charges-story,0,5211204.story?track=rss

[epo]

I knew it. Here comes another push for Amnesty led by 2 pieces of garbage from each party.


http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-immigration5-2010mar05,0,1123497.story

I've asked for an amendment to the bill, for all those granted amnesty to be relocated to Connecticut immediately.

Hopefully that helps!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I've asked for an amendment to the bill, for all those granted amnesty to be relocated to Connecticut immediately.

Hopefully that helps!

If Healthcare is Waterloo. Amnesty is Dien Bien Phu

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Would love to see ICE agents deployed all over to round up these people


http://www.wtol.com/global/story.asp?s=12117978

[hanso]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

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[Serpico1103]

Saw food inc. Ins agents arresting the workers but leaving the corporation alone even though there is a pattern of illegality. Also, corn subsidizes contributes to illegal immigration by taking away jobs in mexico. Corporations are evil people.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Saw food inc. Ins agents arresting the workers but leaving the corporation alone even though there is a pattern of illegality. Also, corn subsidizes contributes to illegal immigration by taking away jobs in mexico. Corporations are evil people.

Thats the part I agree with you on. Hold the corporations responsible as well. End the corporate welfare for ADM and the ethanol lobby.

Heres something that should get everyone concerned. This violates all forms of civil liberties


http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/09/1310210

[Jujubees2]

Thats the part I agree with you on. Hold the corporations responsible as well. End the corporate welfare for ADM and the ethanol lobby.

Heres something that should get everyone concerned. This violates all forms of civil liberties


http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/03/09/1310210

WH,

Do you check the immigration status of all employees of the restaurant when you go out to eat? Do you check the status of every delivery person who comes to your house? Do you check the status of every piece of fruit you but to ensure it wasn't harvested by an illegal?

If not, then YOU are part of the problem!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

WH,

Do you check the immigration status of all employees of the restaurant when you go out to eat? Do you check the status of every delivery person who comes to your house? Do you check the status of every piece of fruit you but to ensure it wasn't harvested by an illegal?

If not, then YOU are part of the problem!

Some of those are beyond my control I cant go to every farm in the Central Valley of California, however I wash my own car, I dont order out for Pizza or Chinese. When I lived at home I helped the old man with mowing the lawn. When I had improvements made to my home, I made sure the contractor had legal workers.
You are part of the problem by endorsing open borders and allowing them to leech off the taxpayer and bankrupt hospitals, cause crime to increase and decrease property values and bring our national and state budgets to its knees. CHEAP LABOR ISNT CHEAP!!!!!

Good luck with your dream of Amnesty. most politicians including many democrats are avoiding it like Monteczumas revenge

[Dude!]

WH,

Do you check the immigration status of all employees of the restaurant when you go out to eat? Do you check the status of every delivery person who comes to your house? Do you check the status of every piece of fruit you but to ensure it wasn't harvested by an illegal?

If not, then YOU are part of the problem!


silly...
how do you check if a person
is an illegal?

that is the whole point...
you can't check....
they get driver's licenses
and other forms of ID
even though illegal

[Serpico1103]

silly...
how do you check if a person
is an illegal?

that is the whole point...
you can't check....
they get driver's licenses
and other forms of ID
even though illegal
You call out '"jose." Who ever turns around- illegal.

[foodcourtdruide]

silly...
how do you check if a person
is an illegal?

that is the whole point...
you can't check....
they get driver's licenses
and other forms of ID
even though illegal

Why do you think people want illegal immigrants to have drivers licenses? Just curious.

[Jujubees2]

silly...
how do you check if a person
is an illegal?

that is the whole point...
you can't check....
they get driver's licenses
and other forms of ID
even though illegal

Then how is WH so sure that it's illegals who are ruining all these cities? Does he check everyone's status?

[Jujubees2]

Some of those are beyond my control I cant go to every farm in the Central Valley of California, however I wash my own car, I dont order out for Pizza or Chinese. When I lived at home I helped the old man with mowing the lawn. When I had improvements made to my home, I made sure the contractor had legal workers.
You are part of the problem by endorsing open borders and allowing them to leech off the taxpayer and bankrupt hospitals, cause crime to increase and decrease property values and bring our national and state budgets to its knees. CHEAP LABOR ISNT CHEAP!!!!!

Good luck with your dream of Amnesty. most politicians including many democrats are avoiding it like Monteczumas revenge

How do you know I support amnesty? You are making an assumption, just like you assume when you see someone who looks foreign that they are an illegal.

If you truly believed in your stance you would ensure that you are not contributing to the problem. But you'd rather just go off on some internet message board about how the illegals are ruining your city.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Then how is WH so sure that it's illegals who are ruining all these cities? Does he check everyone's status?

Have you been asleep ? Read the news, look how many illegals being arrested for rape, molestation, stabbings and drunk driving.

[foodcourtdruide]

Then how is WH so sure that it's illegals who are ruining all these cities? Does he check everyone's status?

They're his boogeyman. As long as he blames everything on illegal immigrants, he doesn't have to be burdened with real solutions to problems. Health care is bad? It's illegal immigrants fault. Crime is bad? It's illegal immigrants. It's just easier this way.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They're his boogeyman. As long as he blames everything on illegal immigrants, he doesn't have to be burdened with real solutions to problems. Health care is bad? It's illegal immigrants fault. Crime is bad? It's illegal immigrants. It's just easier this way.

Spineless worthless politicians in DC are at fault too


Well the illegal aliens are a huge part of the crime and healthcare mess. When they are not paying a dime for going to the ER, and terrorizing the population it is cause for concern

[foodcourtdruide]

Have you been asleep ? Read the news, look how many illegals being arrested for rape, molestation, stabbings and drunk driving.

Yes, and there has never been a citizen arrested for these things. Please tell us how according to their socio-economic status, these crimes occur more amongst illegal immigrants are than amongst citizens. Until then, your posts hold no merit and are as paranoid and pointless as if someone were to post all crimes committed by redheads.

[underdog]

They're his boogeyman. As long as he blames everything on illegal immigrants, he doesn't have to be burdened with real solutions to problems. Health care is bad? It's illegal immigrants fault. Crime is bad? It's illegal immigrants. It's just easier this way.

I just blame the blacks.

[foodcourtdruide]

Well the illegal aliens are a huge part of the crime and healthcare mess. When they are not paying a dime for going to the ER, and terrorizing the population it is cause for concern

So, illegal immigrants pay no taxes? Interesting.

And "terrorizing the population"? Come on. Stop.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes, and there has never been a citizen arrested for these things. Please tell us how according to their socio-economic status, these crimes occur more amongst illegal immigrants are than amongst citizens. Until then, your posts hold no merit and are as paranoid and pointless as if someone were to post all crimes committed by redheads.

Thank you!!! Again you proved my point. We have enough of our own welfare moochers, molesters and other criminals. Why are we allowing people who we have no idea if they committed murder or other heinous crimes in their home country?


You just dont get it. Illegal aliens are committing crimes every second they are here

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So, illegal immigrants pay no taxes? Interesting.

And "terrorizing the population"? Come on. Stop.

I already mentioned a while back sales tax. They have a case of the sniffles and like spoiled brats its off to the ER for gold plated coverage. Every 9 months boom!! another jackpot baby and no payment by them . When they buy a case of beer or diapers for their jackpot babies, Applause for the illegal he paid sales tax!!!. Meanwhile Im taxed on every level to subsidize these mopes but I'm the bad guy

[booster11373]

Have you been asleep ? Read the news, look how many illegals being arrested for rape, molestation, stabbings and drunk driving.

Compared to citizens?

[foodcourtdruide]

Thank you!!! Again you proved my point. We have enough of our own welfare moochers, molesters and other criminals. Why are we allowing people who we have no idea if they committed murder or other heinous crimes in their home country?


You just dont get it. Illegal aliens are committing crimes every second they are here

I did not prove your point. You are completely trying to avoid my point. You KNOW that they don't commit the crimes you mentioned at an accelerated rate. YOU KNOW IT. You don't post articles about them avoiding immigration laws, you post articles about things like drunk driving and violent crimes. You are trying to skew the perception of illegal immigrants as overly violent, BUT YOU KNOW that compared to citizens in similar socio-economic conditions they are NO worse.

[foodcourtdruide]

I already mentioned a while back sales tax. Big deal. When they buy a case of beer or diapers for their jackpot babies, Applause for the illegal!!!. Meanwhile Im taxed on every level to subsidize these mopes but I'm the bad guy

I can't believe I'm arguing with you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I can't believe I'm arguing with you.

I can't believe you advocate theft, forgery and other crimes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I did not prove your point. You are completely trying to avoid my point. You KNOW that they don't commit the crimes you mentioned at an accelerated rate. YOU KNOW IT. You don't post articles about them avoiding immigration laws, you post articles about things like drunk driving and violent crimes. You are trying to skew the perception of illegal immigrants as overly violent, BUT YOU KNOW that compared to citizens in similar socio-economic conditions they are NO worse.

Yes you did!!! Why would you condone more violent people to flood across the border?

The point is if they werent here they wouldnt be committing these crimes. In fact illegals represent an alarming proportion of criminals

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=17227&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1903

[foodcourtdruide]

I can't believe you advocate theft, forgery and other crimes

Do you think every inch of highway in this country should be monitored so people cannot exceed the speed limit?

I advocate common sense more than anything else. Sorry, illegal immigrants aren't my boogeyman. Illegal immigration will exist whether you have a paranoid and senseless approach to it or not.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Do you think every inch of highway in this country should be monitored so people cannot exceed the speed limit?

I advocate common sense more than anything else. Sorry, illegal immigrants aren't my boogeyman. Illegal immigration will exist whether you have a paranoid and senseless approach to it or not.

What happens when you get caught doing 100 in a 65 zone? Sure there will be pockets of illegals around the country even if there was a mass deportation and stricter border security but It would be a hell of a lot better than it is now

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes you did!!! Why would you condone more violent people to flood across the border?

The point is if they werent here they wouldnt be committing these crimes. In fact illegals represent an alarming proportion of criminals

http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=17227&security=1601&news_iv_ctrl=1903

The only thing alarming is how you are completely avoiding my statement.

tell us how according to their socio-economic status, these crimes occur more amongst illegal immigrants are than amongst citizens.

Sorry, but your little article from ihateillegalimmigrants.com doesn't prove anything to me.

[booster11373]

Do you think every inch of highway in this country should be monitored so people cannot exceed the speed limit?

I advocate common sense more than anything else. Sorry, illegal immigrants aren't my boogeyman. Illegal immigration will exist whether you have a paranoid and senseless approach to it or not.

Its not worth arguing with him.

He doesn't even realize that his position and others like him make the matter worse. His unrealistic and xenophobic stance will only perpetuate the problem because they cannot compromise. Does the immigration policy need to be addressed and reformed in the US I think most people would say yes. Will anything he advocates ever happen? nope. So let him posted his alarmist nonsense because thats all he can do

[foodcourtdruide]

What happens when you get caught doing 100 in a 65 zone? Sure there will be pockets of illegals around the country even if there was a mass deportation and stricter border security but It would be a hell of a lot better than it is now

Um, you get a speeding ticket? What was your point of asking me that question?

"mass deportation" will cost more than it will save us. You know this is true. I wish you'd be a little more honest.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The only thing alarming is how you are completely avoiding my statement.

tell us how according to their socio-economic status, these crimes occur more amongst illegal immigrants are than amongst citizens.

Sorry, but your little article from ihateillegalimmigrants.com doesn't prove anything to me.

Its like pissing up a rope with you

Now that the gravy train derailed the illegals are drowning their sorrows by hitting the bottle, getting behind the wheel and driving drunk for example

You have no answer to my comment about why we should let these people stay and that we should allow people who we have no idea who they are to slither into this country

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Um, you get a speeding ticket? What was your point of asking me that question?

"mass deportation" will cost more than it will save us. You know this is true. I wish you'd be a little more honest.

Yes. And if youre here illegally and commit a crime why shouldnt you be kicked out?

Eishenhower did it in the 50's

Short term it will cost but in the long term it will be better. Go back and read my posts about cutting useless defense projects, getting rid of the dept of education. That could pay for the deportations

[Dude!]

Yes. And if youre here illegally and commit a crime why shouldnt you be kicked out?

Eishenhower did it in the 50's

FDR was much more compassionate
he just put all the undesireables
into internment camps

he was a very kind liberal

[foodcourtdruide]

Its like pissing up a rope with you

Now that the gravy train derailed the illegals are drowning their sorrows by hitting the bottle, getting behind the wheel and driving drunk for example

You have no answer to my comment about why we should let these people stay and that we should allow people who we have no idea who they are to slither into this country

Yes I do. I've been saying it throughout my posts. We should not allow completely open borders. I've mentioned that I agree that there should be more security along the borders, however, when it's unproven whether or not they have a negative financial (or any other) impact on society I don't see the point of spending insane amounts of money on mass deportations and I don't see the point of breaking up families. Your solutions have a negative impact on our society, in favor of an outdated approach to immigration. The whole "it's illegal!" thing is such crap. You've never smoked pot? You didn't drink alcohol before you were 21? Smoking a cigarette before 18? These are things that are illegal too, but I don't see you rallying to combat them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yes I do. I've been saying it throughout my posts. We should not allow completely open borders. I've mentioned that I agree that there should be more security along the borders, however, when it's unproven whether or not they have a negative financial (or any other) impact on society I don't see the point of spending insane amounts of money on mass deportations and I don't see the point of breaking up families. Your solutions have a negative impact on our society, in favor of an outdated approach to immigration. The whole "it's illegal!" thing is such crap. You've never smoked pot? You didn't drink alcohol before you were 21? Smoking a cigarette before 18? These are things that are illegal too, but I don't see you rallying to combat them.

Youre comparing minor offenses like those to the serious issue of illegal aliens? Families are broken up every day when someone goes to jail. The illegals can take their jackpot babies back with them, no one said that they cant.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes. And if youre here illegally and commit a crime why shouldnt you be kicked out?

Eishenhower did it in the 50's

Short term it will cost but in the long term it will be better. Go back and read my posts about cutting useless defense projects, getting rid of the dept of education. That could pay for the deportations

Cutting projects and the dept of education to pay for things does not make them free. There are many many many more places that money could be spent.

Also, how do you know it will get better in the long term? Why wouldn't illegal immigrants just return? So, now you're talking about ONGOING mass deportations, which will cost even more.

[foodcourtdruide]

Youre comparing minor offenses like those to the serious issue of illegal aliens? Families are broken up every day when someone goes to jail. The illegals can take their jackpot babies back with them, no one said that they cant.

Underage drinking and smoking is not a serious issue? I guarentee you more people have died from those two things than illegal immigration. So, you want to stick to the law when it comes to the rules for illegal immigrants, BUT NOT for the parts that you disagree with? Children of illegal immigrants have as much right to be in this country as you. You want AMERICANS to be forced to leave this country by the government?!?!? Wow, that's not very libertarian of you.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Underage drinking and smoking is not a serious issue? I guarentee you more people have died from those two things than illegal immigration. So, you want to stick to the law when it comes to the rules for illegal immigrants, BUT NOT for the parts that you disagree with? Children of illegal immigrants have as much right to be in this country as you. You want AMERICANS to be forced to leave this country by the government?!?!? Wow, that's not very libertarian of you.

Enforced permanent border security and draconian measures won't keep them out?
Again, underage drinking if caught has punishments.
Who is forcing the jackpot babies out? If the illegals cared about their children they would take them home with them and there would be family unity. you can't pick and choose which laws can be broken without punishment. They can always come back.

I dont feel sorry for illegals. They CHOSE to come here and break the law, no one forced them to leave their countries. They came here because of our entitlement system, im sure their amigos told them that the US is the golden goose, they can have mass amounts of children and have everything paid for them. They came here out of greed. Today's illegal alien is much different from the waves that came here legally in the 20th century. There wasnt anarchy like today. Sure there were a few stow aways, that happens all the time, but not like the human Tsunami now
The law needs to be changed though or a ruling on the 14th ammendment needs to be clarified. Many other countries dont allow this.

[foodcourtdruide]

Enforced permanent border security and draconian measures won't keep them out?
Again, underage drinking if caught has punishments.
Who is forcing the jackpot babies out? If the illegals cared about their children they would take them home with them and there would be family unity. you can't pick and choose which laws can be broken without punishment. They can always come back.

The law needs to be changed though or a ruling on the 14th ammendment needs to be clarified. Many other countries dont allow this.

Why do you act like no one has ever been deported? And no, enforced border security and draconian measures will NOT keep them out. And these "draconian" measures will cost FAR more than they save us. So your purpose for wanting this is clearly not financial.

You are removing the child's parents from this country. How could the child possibly remain in this country (unless, in some cases they can stay with relatives)? Do you want them to go into foster care? Again, this will overburden our foster care system and cost MORE money. Your solution simply isn't rational. An overhaul of our immigration system may be needed, but that overhaul should benefit society. Not have an overall negative impact on society to please xenophobes.

And again, why do you think that no one has ever been punished for being an illegal immigrant? People get deported every day.

[foodcourtdruide]

Enforced permanent border security and draconian measures won't keep them out?
Again, underage drinking if caught has punishments.
Who is forcing the jackpot babies out? If the illegals cared about their children they would take them home with them and there would be family unity. you can't pick and choose which laws can be broken without punishment. They can always come back.

I dont feel sorry for illegals. They CHOSE to come here and break the law, no one forced them to leave their countries. They came here because of our entitlement system, im sure their amigos told them that the US is the golden goose, they can have mass amounts of children and have everything paid for them. They came here out of greed. Today's illegal alien is much different from the waves that came here legally in the 20th century. There wasnt anarchy like today. Sure there were a few stow aways, that happens all the time, but not like the human Tsunami now
The law needs to be changed though or a ruling on the 14th ammendment needs to be clarified. Many other countries dont allow this.

Just responding to some edits you made to above post.

Who's asking you to feel sorry for them? This is where I think you completely miss everyones point. It's not even about compassion for illegal immigrants, it's just about what works best. Just because you let your hatred for illegal immigrants fuel your opinions, doesn't mean my love for them is fueling mine.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why do you act like no one has ever been deported? And no, enforced border security and draconian measures will NOT keep them out. And these "draconian" measures will cost FAR more than they save us. So your purpose for wanting this is clearly not financial.

You are removing the child's parents from this country. How could the child possibly remain in this country (unless, in some cases they can stay with relatives)? Do you want them to go into foster care? Again, this will overburden our foster care system and cost MORE money. Your solution simply isn't rational. An overhaul of our immigration system may be needed, but that overhaul should benefit society. Not have an overall negative impact on society to please xenophobes.

And again, why do you think that no one has ever been punished for being an illegal immigrant? People get deported every day.

Again if the parents cared for their children they would take them back to their country. Who said anything about forcing them to go. The parents made a decision on their wn to enter the country. The children unfortunately are collateral damage, the parents should have known that there would be a chance of them being deported. Its called judgement and responsibility. Have a kid and its YOUR responsibility. NOT MINE!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just responding to some edits you made to above post.

Who's asking you to feel sorry for them? This is where I think you completely miss everyones point. It's not even about compassion for illegal immigrants, it's just about what works best. Just because you let your hatred for illegal immigrants fuel your opinions, doesn't mean my love for them is fueling mine.

Its not about love or hate. What works best is enforcing the law and not rewarding people for sneaking in Why is that such a problem?

[foodcourtdruide]

Again if the parents cared for their children they would take them back to their country. Who said anything about forcing them to go. The parents made a decision on their wn to enter the country. The children unfortunately are collateral damage, the parents should have known that there would be a chance of them being deported. Its called judgement and responsibility. Have a kid and its YOUR responsibility. NOT MINE!!!!!

The judgement and responsibility of the parents are irrelevant to the reality of the situation. You cannot simply dismiss a problem by screaming "ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE!" at people. American children being separated from their parents who have been deported will be (and is) a real issue. It doesn't matter who was at fault, it's a problem that exists and cannot besolved with bumper sticker mentality.

[foodcourtdruide]

Its not about love or hate. What works best is enforcing the law and not rewarding people for sneaking in Why is that such a problem?

Nope. I disagree with you. It's about hate with you. You allow your hatred for illegal immigrants to cloud your judgement. Spending more money to deport them, than it would cost to keep them here is a textbook example of this. You are extremely bitter towards illegal immigrants, while you don't care about other laws that are broken every day.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nope. I disagree with you. It's about hate with you. You allow your hatred for illegal immigrants to cloud your judgement. Spending more money to deport them, than it would cost to keep them here is a textbook example of this. You are extremely bitter towards illegal immigrants, while you don't care about other laws that are broken every day.


You think that I believe Madoff should be freed? My point is that Americans who commit crimes get punished if caught. If I commit armed robbery I will go to jail for a long time but I can not be deported. Im bitter to illegal aliens, their supporters, landlords who rent to them and the gutless politicians who pander to them

Deporting them and KEEPING them out will save the taxpayer trillions in the long term. Cutting unnecessary bureaucracies and programs would pay for it, but again the scum politicians are so spineless

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The judgement and responsibility of the parents are irrelevant to the reality of the situation. You cannot simply dismiss a problem by screaming "ITS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, NOT MINE!" at people. American children being separated from their parents who have been deported will be (and is) a real issue. It doesn't matter who was at fault, it's a problem that exists and cannot besolved with bumper sticker mentality.

It is relevant. They had the kids they should be responsible for them. But to you Personal responsibility is th new F word.

[underdog]

You just dont get it. Illegal aliens are committing crimes every second they are here

We get it. We just don't care.

[foodcourtdruide]

You think that I believe Madoff should be freed? My point is that Americans who commit crimes get punished if caught. If I commit armed robbery I will go to jail for a long time but I can not be deported. Im bitter to illegal aliens, their supporters, landlords who rent to them and the gutless politicians who pander to them

Deporting them and KEEPING them out will save the taxpayer trillions in the long term. Cutting unnecessary bureaucracies and programs would pay for it, but again the scum politicians are so spineless

What's Madoff have to do with this? I was referring to your passivity regarding underage drinking and smoking.

You have absolutely no proof of your statement that deporting them and keeping them out will save the taxpayer trillions. It's highly debatable whether they are a negative at all, and I don't know how you could think implementing and maintaining your proposed policies would be anything more than a financial drain on this country. And again, cutting other programs to pay for something does not make it free. I don't know why you keep using that as a talking point in this discussion.

[foodcourtdruide]

It is relevant. They had the kids they should be responsible for them. But to you Personal responsibility is th new F word.

It is not relevant because the situation exists regardless of how it exists. You have no idea how I view personal responsibility. Citing personal responsibility like a bumper sticker will not solve any problems. The situation exists. If anything, I'm the one being responsible by looking to fix something rationally, while you are looking to point fingers and make the situation worse.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does anyone honestly think that another Amnesty will be passed? With the overwhelming majority of the population opposed to illegal immigration, the high unemployment rate that will be around for a long time. Healthcare will be a walk in the park compared to a push for Amnesty will be. Many of you want this but be prepared to be let down when it doesnt pass

[foodcourtdruide]

We get it. We just don't care.

He doesn't understand that we don't view this topic based on emotion as he does.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

What's Madoff have to do with this? I was referring to your passivity regarding underage drinking and smoking.

You have absolutely no proof of your statement that deporting them and keeping them out will save the taxpayer trillions. It's highly debatable whether they are a negative at all, and I don't know how you could think implementing and maintaining your proposed policies would be anything more than a financial drain on this country. And again, cutting other programs to pay for something does not make it free. I don't know why you keep using that as a talking point in this discussion.

I guess you dont see the numbers spent on entitlements, jail time, educating their jackpot babies, welfare spending etc? Look at CA for example. They are a big part why they are 30 billion in the red


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research40ce


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffe c

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He doesn't understand that we don't view this topic based on emotion as he does.

Many on this board view global warming/climate change and the gov't to nationalize 17% of the economy with great emotion

[Jujubees2]

'Pure' evil: N.J. fanatic Aswad Ayinde charged with raping daughters, having children with them (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_pure_evil_nj_fantatic_aswad_ayinde_charged_with _raping_daughters_having_children.html)

When are we going to stop these American citizens from doing such horrible things?

[underdog]

Many on this board view global warming/climate change and the gov't to nationalize 17% of the economy with great emotion

Really? I don't think anyone on this board has as much misdirected, unreasonable anger on any subject as you do.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

'Pure' evil: N.J. fanatic Aswad Ayinde charged with raping daughters, having children with them (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2010/03/11/2010-03-11_pure_evil_nj_fantatic_aswad_ayinde_charged_with _raping_daughters_having_children.html)

When are we going to stop these American citizens from doing such horrible things?

AGAIN. WE HAVE ENOUGH OF OUR OWN HOME GROWN DIRTBAGS!!! WHY WOULD YOU CONDONE MORE FLOODING THE COUNTRY????

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/news/local/article/illegal_immigrant_jailed_for_09_drunk_driving_deat h/53430/


Its not just the Mexicans. The white illegals are just as bad
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/lake/711dda50-f2ba-5cf5-9ceb-568816ef3df0.html

Here for a better life?

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/hunterdon-county/express-times/index.ssf/2010/03/suspected_illegal_immigrant_ar.html

Heres another poor unfortunate sap just trying to earn aliving and send back to his family
http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/Illegal-alien-living-in-Chalmette-booked-with-three-counts-of-rape-86275257.html

[Furtherman]

Many on this board view global warming/climate change and the gov't to nationalize 17% of the economy with great emotion

That's just silly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lets keep the whites out too

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/11/984053/resident-alien-accused-of-illegal.html

[Syd]

I guess you dont see the numbers spent on entitlements, jail time, educating their jackpot babies, welfare spending etc? Look at CA for example. They are a big part why they are 30 billion in the red


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research40ce


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffe c

has more to do with prop 13 and the lack of progressive taxation

[foodcourtdruide]

I guess you dont see the numbers spent on entitlements, jail time, educating their jackpot babies, welfare spending etc? Look at CA for example. They are a big part why they are 30 billion in the red


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research40ce


http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=iic_immigrationissuecentersffe c

Here's a link that you'll ignore:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

[liverpunchspanky]

My point is that even if you clear the illegals out most Americans are still going to look at those jobs as beneath them. It's not like illegals are taking up a plethora of jobs that Americans are clamoring to get. We'd have to be repeating the Great Depression before you get people wishing they could get those snazzy jobs scrubbing toilets.

Jefe,
Do you know what a plethora is? And are
Gingos falling from the sky?

Yes, El Guapo!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

has more to do with prop 13 and the lack of progressive taxation

Oh sure blame the taxpayers. Dont blame the illegals and the bloated pension funds and unfunded liabilities

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Here's a link that you'll ignore:
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

Of course your illegal friends are a net benefit to society.


http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

[foodcourtdruide]

Of course your illegal friends are a net benefit to society.


http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html

cairco.org or factcheck.org as a source? Hm.. why don't you just quote a notepad document on your desktop?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

cairco.org or factcheck.org as a source? Hm.. why don't you just quote a notepad document on your desktop?

So all these studies are incorrect. Illegals contribute more than they consume? Anyone who believes that is just being dishonest

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Great, now we have to worry about Gree-legals


http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/march-10-2010/expansion-visa-waiver-greece-could-lead-more-illegal-immigration.html

[foodcourtdruide]

So all these studies are incorrect. Illegals contribute more than they consume? Anyone who believes that is just being dishonest

No one said that everything associated with illegal immigrants is completely positive. Did you even look at the link I sent you? ANYONE who believes that it would make more financial sense to deport all illegal immigrants than keep them is being dishonest. That is the argument we are having WF. If you're basing the reason for deporting them on financial reasons you are simply being dishonest. You can send me as many links to these anti-immigrant groups as you want.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No one said that everything associated with illegal immigrants is completely positive. Did you even look at the link I sent you? ANYONE who believes that it would make more financial sense to deport all illegal immigrants than keep them is being dishonest. That is the argument we are having WF. If you're basing the reason for deporting them on financial reasons you are simply being dishonest. You can send me as many links to these anti-immigrant groups as you want.

Then join the fight if you don't think its a positive thing having them here.

It isn't just for financial reasons its quality of life reasons as well. The benefit of removing them and keeping them out outweighs the short term cost.

Again when you have an expanding recipient class mooching off the taxpayer and not contributing how does that benefit the taxpayer?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More proof illegals are a net drain on the economy. Total cost 206 billion. Now if AIG and the auto companies were not bailed out. That would have covered the cost. Same thing with the Dept of Education. Disband that thats an extra 100 billion in savings


http://one-simple-idea.com/NPI_Deportation_Cost.pdf

[foodcourtdruide]

Then join the fight if you don't think its a positive thing having them here.

It isn't just for financial reasons its quality of life reasons as well. The benefit of removing them and keeping them out outweighs the short term cost.

Again when you have an expanding recipient class mooching off the taxpayer and not contributing how does that benefit the taxpayer?

Are we having the same conversation? How black and white do you see things? There are negatives and positives to having them here. No one is denying this. However, the negatives of your solutions FAR FAR FAR FAR outweigh the positives.

I'm happy you stopped pretending it's because of financial reasons. Can you please go back in this thread an edit out everytime you said that it is?