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deliciousV

04-19-2013, 08:47 AM

Already happening in NYC.

So you have no problem with giving up your right to illegal search and seizure?

of course I'd have a problem with it, but it is a thing that would actually have an effect on gun violence, but nobody in their right mind would even consider letting it happen, rightfully so, because it is a definite slippery slope that we all recognize could effect us all. It's very easy for people who don't own guns ,or even want to, to infringe on my rights, because it'll have no effect on them. Gun control is one of those 50/50 rights, like abortion, half the country doesn't want one so they're fine taking away your rights.

Jujubees2

04-19-2013, 09:05 AM

of course I'd have a problem with it, but it is a thing that would actually have an effect on gun violence, but nobody in their right mind would even consider letting it happen, rightfully so, because it is a definite slippery slope that we all recognize could effect us all. It's very easy for people who don't own guns ,or even want to, to infringe on my rights, because it'll have no effect on them. Gun control is one of those 50/50 rights, like abortion, half the country doesn't want one so they're fine taking away your rights.

What part of the proposed bill that was rejected yesterday would have infringed on anyone's right to own a weapon (assuming they passed a background check)?

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 09:09 AM

What part of the proposed bill that was rejected yesterday would have infringed on anyone's right to own a weapon (assuming they passed a background check)?

I have no problem with background checks, I once got a loan on my shotgun at a pawnshop, and I had to pass one to get my own gun back. We already have background checks. But adding more hoops to jump thru is infringement in and of itself.
What part of the bill do you think would have made a difference?

Syd

04-19-2013, 10:02 AM

I have no problem with background checks, I once got a loan on my shotgun at a pawnshop, and I had to pass one to get my own gun back. We already have background checks. But adding more hoops to jump thru is infringement in and of itself.
What part of the bill do you think would have made a difference?

We already have background checks on some sales, but not all. It's not an infringement because the SCOTUS has very consistently said that the only right that is completely unencumbered is the right to vote. Anything else is fair game.

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 10:53 AM

We already have background checks on some sales, but not all. It's not an infringement because the SCOTUS has very consistently said that the only right that is completely unencumbered is the right to vote. Anything else is fair game.

and what do you want to bet that when this was put into place there were opponents being promised that there is no slippery slope, and this will make a big difference.
Argue, fuss, fight, and bemoan, but you and I both know that the people buying their guns legally are not the problem, there may be one or two here and there who lose their shit because they find out their wife is fucking around on them, or they're being cheated by a business partner, but by and large gun crimes are committed by thugs and crooks who are never gonna go thru a background check. They aren't buying their guns at gun shops, pawn shops, or gun shows. They either steal, or buy one that is stolen. The justice department said the same thing, you are going after the wrong target because it's easy, yet it's not effective. Start keeping gang bangers who shoot each other in jail for life instead of pleading it down to manslaughter and letting them out in 5 yrs. Give a mandatory 10 years to anyone caught with an illegal gun. And in the extreme situations, like Chicago, you might have to go all Marshall law, bring in the guard to patrol the streets, arrest anyone out after dark, terrible thing to contemplate, but you are more likely to be shot in the south side of Chicago than Afghanistan.

hanso

04-19-2013, 11:29 AM

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spoon

04-19-2013, 05:04 PM

dv

you clearly don't even understand what this bill proposed if you think it's going after legal gun owners...(gun shows, internet sales and more)

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 05:28 PM

dv

you clearly don't even understand what this bill proposed if you think it's going after legal gun owners...(gun shows, internet sales and more)

I understand what they were trying to do, but all they were gonna do was add more hurdles to the people who are already willing to follow procedure. Yes, I realize that they would have added background checks to gun shows and internet sales, but decent honest gun owners would have gone along with it and followed the law, the people who are the vast majority of the problem would have gone to the black market, therefore solving nothing. Again, I have nothing to hide or fear from a background check, so I don't mind, it wouldn't have bothered me in the least if it had passed. But IMO it would have accomplished little to nothing. And I know I'm being repetitive, but the justice department report said the exact same thing. The need to do something shouldn't override the need to do something effective.

spoon

04-19-2013, 05:35 PM

black market?

what need is there really when gun shops, owners and shows can sell to anyone!?

come on

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 05:44 PM

black market?

what need is there really when gun shops, owners and shows can sell to anyone!?

come on

easy hoss, reread what I said, I said that the end result of that bill would have been a larger need for the black market, it would have stopped nothing.
Do you believe, really believe, that the murderous gangs in the south side of Chicago are buying their guns at gun shows?
I've only lived in 2 states, as an adult, and I know that in both background checks were required in both of them to buy a gun at a gun shop or pawn shop. If there are States where that's not true I don't know them. I have no problem with gun shows and internet sales being held to the same standard. But I don't believe that will solve the overall problem, or even have a significant effect on gun violence.

Bob Impact

04-19-2013, 06:02 PM

What do you want the families to do?

The NRA isn't staying home.

The NRA is on tv, is in the offices of these politicians, is running campaigns of false information to scare every gun owner into thinking Obama is coming for their guns. People actually fucking think that... That Obama will come to their door and take their fucking guns away. What would you have these families do? Stay home and have faith that these sniveling soulless politicians do their jobs?

These families have had their lives destroyed but they're just supposed to be quiet and stay home because it isn't fair of them to actually do what we're supposed to be able to do as Americans and petition their representatives for change? To do this in the public eye? Why? Because it shows just what soulless fucking garbage the NRA and the people that associate themselves it are? Clinging to a 200 year old amendment to our constitution that, in it's loosest interpretation, lets every citizen have the right to a gun back when guns were six feet long and took two minutes to load a single shot. Crying fucking Nazism and tyranny because of fucking background checks? Background checks that at the very worst would only punish criminals and wouldn't mean one bit of difference to law abiding citizens in owning a weapon... That's a threat to your freedoms?

Maybe these families thought they could perhaps try and bring something to Washington and into the public eye that is sorely lacking... Perspective. Perspective that maybe just maybe making it a little harder for people who shouldn't be able to get guns to actually get them would be a good thing. This was more than a compromise... This bill that got voted down was a compromise of a compromise and even that couldn't make it through the NRA's/GOP's/redneck fucking force field of bullshit. Nothing in this bill would even have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy but it would have helped others. It was a start. Change has to start somewhere but oh fucking no not from our cold dead fucking hands.

But no... That's not the tragedy here. The tragedy is that fucking Obama put those families on display like props right? That politicians actually had to look these people in the face and spit in them. How dare those fucking assholes come to Washington and make a big deal out of their children being violently murdered in their classrooms. Fuck them for thinking they lived in a country where they should be able to drop their children off at school and not expect them to be shot to death before they pick them up at the end of the day or that their elected officials actually represented their best interests. What fucking country do they think they live in?

The problem with the gun control debate is that there's no way to argue rationally with this. Take every curse out of these paragraphs, take every appeal to emotion out, take every attack on the "other side" out and what's really left?

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 06:08 PM

The problem with the gun control debate is that there's no way to argue rationally with this. Take every curse out of these paragraphs, take every appeal to emotion out, take every attack on the "other side" out and what's really left?

what's left is the same argument that makes the foundation of the abortion debate. There's the side that wants their right to have one protected, and the side that says I'll never want one, so I want the government to tell you you can't have one.

spoon

04-19-2013, 06:26 PM

easy hoss, reread what I said, I said that the end result of that bill would have been a larger need for the black market, it would have stopped nothing.
Do you believe, really believe, that the murderous gangs in the south side of Chicago are buying their guns at gun shows?
I've only lived in 2 states, as an adult, and I know that in both background checks were required in both of them to buy a gun at a gun shop or pawn shop. If there are States where that's not true I don't know them. I have no problem with gun shows and internet sales being held to the same standard. But I don't believe that will solve the overall problem, or even have a significant effect on gun violence.

sure thing HOSS

DV, I know what you fucking said and do YOU really think closing these idiotic would have no effect on our gun culture overall and with the availability of said weapons? There is so much more, and this would be a very lukewarm start, but man NOTHING will happen now and it's pathetic.

spoon

04-19-2013, 06:26 PM

spoon

04-19-2013, 06:27 PM

what's left is the same argument that makes the foundation of the abortion debate. There's the side that wants their right to have one protected, and the side that says I'll never want one, so I want the government to tell you you can't have one.

this new line of thought is bullshit

nobody is taking your fucking guns

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 06:32 PM

sure thing HOSS

DV, I know what you fucking said and do YOU really think closing these idiotic would have no effect on our gun culture overall and with the availability of said weapons? There is so much more, and this would be a very lukewarm start, but man NOTHING will happen now and it's pathetic.

I agree. A lot needs to be done. Things that will actually work.

NickyL0885

04-19-2013, 06:35 PM

this new line of thought is bullshit

nobody is taking your fucking guns

Sadly, this is what people think. Obama will knock on their door and say "hello. I am here to take your guns". Personally, I don't like guns. But, it should not be easy to get them. You should have to pass a criminal background check, a psych test, a drug test, etc. I just want to keep the guns away from the crazies.

As far as having a gun to "protect my family". Seriously, what are the fucking odds someone will break into YOUR house? And you can't go shooting someone b/c they bust through the door. If they survive the shots, they will sue, and win based on excessive force. Some people aren't always armed when breaking into a home, so unless they come out you with a deadly weapon, you can't just shot them dead.

And don't get me starting on hunting. Yeah, b/c you need a gun that can blow a deer's head into a million pieces. Totally fair! It's like playing a video game with cheat codes! Where's the challenge of the hunt?

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 06:36 PM

this new line of thought is bullshit

nobody is taking your fucking guns

this seems true, for now. But I don't think the "new line of thought" is bullshit. People are quick to demand a right they never intend to use be done away with, that doesn't make it less of a right, just one that doing away with will never effect them.

deliciousV

04-19-2013, 06:38 PM

Sadly, this is what people think. Obama will knock on their door and say "hello. I am here to take your guns". Personally, I don't like guns. But, it should not be easy to get them. You should have to pass a criminal background check, a psych test, a drug test, etc. I just want to keep the guns away from the crazies.

As far as having a gun to "protect my family". Seriously, what are the fucking odds someone will break into YOUR house? And you can't go shooting someone b/c they bust through the door. If they survive the shots, they will sue, and win based on excessive force. Some people aren't always armed when breaking into a home, so unless they come out you with a deadly weapon, you can't just shot them dead.

And don't get me starting on hunting. Yeah, b/c you need a gun that can blow a deer's head into a million pieces. Totally fair! It's like playing a video game with cheat codes! Where's the challenge of the hunt?

you can in my state

spoon

04-19-2013, 07:09 PM

this seems true, for now. But I don't think the "new line of thought" is bullshit. People are quick to demand a right they never intend to use be done away with, that doesn't make it less of a right, just one that doing away with will never effect them.

no it is true forever, just that it shouldn't be so easy, so carefree and unchecked

you have a God damn registration for your car, but not your gun?

the only law passed was keeping lists from the public? come on again

And your abortion to gun right tie is bullshit in soooo many ways it's funny. The only similarity is how the issues are mutated to benefit the fear mongers and both issues are CONSTANTLY tied into slippery slope future as the expense of the present. Same exact shit with another fringe issue like gay marriage. Checks = guns taken away soon enough, abortions = future very late term abortions and no rights for the clump of cells and finally gay marriage = OF COURSE, sex and marriage to animals

i plan on no abortions and realize it's a right, just as gun ownership which I have shot and owned in the past...gay marriage, well we all know only WF is secretly interested in this soon enough, but again I have no plans for it and again understand they have the right if they want to marry

so i ask you, what right do I want gone, much less any here I don't intend to use?

seem you are confused

again, NOBODY is taking your guns and your thought process is exactly what the NRA has pounded into your head for years...more fucking fear tactics

spoon

04-19-2013, 07:11 PM

you can in my state

and if someone breaks into your home, too bad for that or those assholes

I have no problem with protecting your home and family as long as it isn't an excuse to be excessively violent. Take control of the situation by force if needed, even if it means taking a life. I hope to never be in the situation, but would if needed.

Bob Impact

04-19-2013, 07:41 PM

plenty

Well color me convinced.

spoon

04-19-2013, 07:43 PM

good

now is that communist red or lilly liberal yella?

epo

04-19-2013, 08:11 PM

easy hoss, reread what I said, I said that the end result of that bill would have been a larger need for the black market, it would have stopped nothing.
Do you believe, really believe, that the murderous gangs in the south side of Chicago are buying their guns at gun shows?
I've only lived in 2 states, as an adult, and I know that in both background checks were required in both of them to buy a gun at a gun shop or pawn shop. If there are States where that's not true I don't know them. I have no problem with gun shows and internet sales being held to the same standard. But I don't believe that will solve the overall problem, or even have a significant effect on gun violence.

The murderous gangs are buying a majority of their weapons from out of state to avoid Chicago & Illinois' tough gun laws.

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 07:06 AM

no it is true forever, just that it shouldn't be so easy, so carefree and unchecked

you have a God damn registration for your car, but not your gun?

the only law passed was keeping lists from the public? come on again

And your abortion to gun right tie is bullshit in soooo many ways it's funny. The only similarity is how the issues are mutated to benefit the fear mongers and both issues are CONSTANTLY tied into slippery slope future as the expense of the present. Same exact shit with another fringe issue like gay marriage. Checks = guns taken away soon enough, abortions = future very late term abortions and no rights for the clump of cells and finally gay marriage = OF COURSE, sex and marriage to animals

i plan on no abortions and realize it's a right, just as gun ownership which I have shot and owned in the past...gay marriage, well we all know only WF is secretly interested in this soon enough, but again I have no plans for it and again understand they have the right if they want to marry

so i ask you, what right do I want gone, much less any here I don't intend to use?

seem you are confused

again, NOBODY is taking your guns and your thought process is exactly what the NRA has pounded into your head for years...more fucking fear tactics

I say again, for the 95th time, I have no problem with background checks and registration! I just don't believe they'd have any real impact.
The abortion argument was a part of a 3 right comparison, I was saying that abortion rights and the 2nd amendment debate are 50/50 laws, the country is divided, whereas the laws against illegal search and seizure are loved by pretty much everyone. One could make a decent argument that you could stop more gun crime by tinkering with S&S laws than by chipping away at the 2nd, but they'd be an idiot, nobody wants the S&S laws tinkered with because it could end up effecting them, whereas 50/50 laws are 50/50 laws because they'll only effect a portion of the population.
I never said that YOU want any right gone, I'm saying that people who don't mind chipping away at the 2nd probably don't intend to use the rights it gives anyway.
And the NRA has "pounded" nothing into my head, I'm not a member, I don't read their ramblings, don't have to, I'm pretty clear on where they stand.

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 07:16 AM

The murderous gangs are buying a majority of their weapons from out of state to avoid Chicago & Illinois' tough gun laws.

just not true, from the Chicago Mag

Altogether, there are 441 federally licensed dealers in suburban Cook County and the five collar counties, according to the latest ATF data. Most of these suburban shops, officials say, are law-abiding businesses that operate responsibly. But a small percentage—fewer than 1 percent, the city says—are responsible for nearly half of all the firearms used in crimes in Chicago.

It's not just Chicago: "Prior to May 1999, a single gun store sold more than half of the guns recovered from criminals in Milwaukee, WI, shortly following retail sale."

* Assuming that figure is accurate, it still leaves tens of thousands of then-illegal guns to account for. In 1992, Don Terry looked into the city's illegal gun market and found that obtaining a gun on the street was also easy:

The gangs and other criminals also get weapons through barter, or "trade-ins." The gangs trade narcotics for the guns of drug-addicted burglars, who will sell a $500 pistol for less than $100.

"We get half our guns through trade-ins with dope fiends," said a gang member on the South Side. "If you wanted a gun right now, we could put in an order and you'd have it. It's like going through the drive-through window. 'Give me some fries, a Coke and a 9-millimeter.' "

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/July-2012/Where-Do-Chicagos-Guns-Come-From/

spoon

04-20-2013, 07:16 AM

I say again, for the 95th time, I have no problem with background checks and registration! I just don't believe they'd have any real impact.
The abortion argument was a part of a 3 right comparison, I was saying that abortion rights and the 2nd amendment debate are 50/50 laws, the country is divided, whereas the laws against illegal search and seizure are loved by pretty much everyone. One could make a decent argument that you could stop more gun crime by tinkering with S&S laws than by chipping away at the 2nd, but they'd be an idiot, nobody wants the S&S laws tinkered with because it could end up effecting them, whereas 50/50 laws are 50/50 laws because they'll only effect a portion of the population.
I never said that YOU want any right gone, I'm saying that people who don't mind chipping away at the 2nd probably don't intend to use the rights it gives anyway.
And the NRA has "pounded" nothing into my head, I'm not a member, I don't read their ramblings, don't have to, I'm pretty clear on where they stand.

you say one could make the S & S argument to reduce guns, but to this point, you're the ONLY one here making it to break down everything else which isn't a very good argument

why stop there DV? why not just trash our right to privacy and gun ownership completely? wooo, there's the real answer to ZERO problems...oh wait, that's the point right, fear and NRA bullshit tactics to break down any holds or limits on selling guns. Sorry, 50/50 laws as you call them aren't just based on public opinion, they are based on rights and needs. We elect officials to make those calls and adjust them as our society evolves, or regresses in so too many cases of late. If we simply went by public opinion, we still have slaves, lesser equality for oh so many and hell even women not being allowed to vote when it actually happened. Some choices aren't that hard, if you simply let right, not just rights lead you versus money and commerce.

spoon

04-20-2013, 07:20 AM

just not true, from the Chicago Mag

Altogether, there are 441 federally licensed dealers in suburban Cook County and the five collar counties, according to the latest ATF data. Most of these suburban shops, officials say, are law-abiding businesses that operate responsibly. But a small percentage—fewer than 1 percent, the city says—are responsible for nearly half of all the firearms used in crimes in Chicago.

It's not just Chicago: "Prior to May 1999, a single gun store sold more than half of the guns recovered from criminals in Milwaukee, WI, shortly following retail sale."

* Assuming that figure is accurate, it still leaves tens of thousands of then-illegal guns to account for. In 1992, Don Terry looked into the city's illegal gun market and found that obtaining a gun on the street was also easy:

The gangs and other criminals also get weapons through barter, or "trade-ins." The gangs trade narcotics for the guns of drug-addicted burglars, who will sell a $500 pistol for less than $100.

"We get half our guns through trade-ins with dope fiends," said a gang member on the South Side. "If you wanted a gun right now, we could put in an order and you'd have it. It's like going through the drive-through window. 'Give me some fries, a Coke and a 9-millimeter.' "

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/The-312/July-2012/Where-Do-Chicagos-Guns-Come-From/

so this means the gun restrictions in Chicago are the root of this or that nothing should be done bc there are still guns out there?

I'm lost here DV, bc I fail to see the law making this ok or it being the cause. Take away the restrictions and it only gets worse. Perhaps the followup to the rule changes and directives on changing the culture there hasn't been good enough, but I hardly see it as the reason for the issue. It was there LONG before the move.

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 07:32 AM

so this means the gun restrictions in Chicago are the root of this or that nothing should be done bc there are still guns out there?

I'm lost here DV, bc I fail to see the law making this ok or it being the cause. Take away the restrictions and it only gets worse. Perhaps the followup to the rule changes and directives on changing the culture there hasn't been good enough, but I hardly see it as the reason for the issue. It was there LONG before the move.

I simply responded to what Epo said, and as usual you end up being the one I argue with.

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 07:35 AM

so this means the gun restrictions in Chicago are the root of this or that nothing should be done bc there are still guns out there?

I'm lost here DV, bc I fail to see the law making this ok or it being the cause. Take away the restrictions and it only gets worse. Perhaps the followup to the rule changes and directives on changing the culture there hasn't been good enough, but I hardly see it as the reason for the issue. It was there LONG before the move.

Epo said that the murderous thugs in Chicago got their guns from surrounding states, I simply disagreed with that by showing some facts, I did not offer any further opinion. You jumped to conclusions, and are trying to put words in my mouth.

spoon

04-20-2013, 07:41 AM

I simply responded to what Epo said, and as usual you end up being the one I argue with.

yes dv, it's a fucking message board

just so you realize, this isn't your private message folder

for fuck's sake, is that your point then!?

I only want to discuss this with one guy who posts so infrequently that you'll feel a pseudo victory with an argument?

wow

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 07:45 AM

yes dv, it's a fucking message board

just so you realize, this isn't your private message folder

for fuck's sake, is that your point then!?

I only want to discuss this with one guy who posts so infrequently that you'll feel a pseudo victory with an argument?

wow

it was just an observation, and yes, that was my point exactly, because I've proven myself to be scared of an argument, haven't I?

spoon

04-20-2013, 07:46 AM

Epo said that the murderous thugs in Chicago got their guns from surrounding states, I simply disagreed with that by showing some facts, I did not offer any further opinion. You jumped to conclusions, and are trying to put words in my mouth.

jump to conclusions?

where, and what words?

bottom line here is that the policy in Chicago is not the issue, it's the lack of control in so many other areas that make there rules all but meaningless in the end

it's true, sadly as epo didn't say cook county either

he said out of chicago and also out of state

but hey, cook county

i too simply responded to what you both posted

spoon

04-20-2013, 07:49 AM

it was just an observation, and yes, that was my point exactly, because I've proven myself to be scared of an argument, haven't I?

well your "observation" was/is quite peculiar to say the least

why even state that? what's to gain?

I usually end up debating this with you and asshole WF, if you call a discussion with him a debate, but who cares? We choose to comment on this board, and I never took you to be averse to a tough discussion where disagreements are aplenty, but that comment sure as shit looked like a back out to me.

deliciousV

04-20-2013, 08:09 AM

well your "observation" was/is quite peculiar to say the least

why even state that? what's to gain?

I usually end up debating this with you and asshole WF, if you call a discussion with him a debate, but who cares? We choose to comment on this board, and I never took you to be averse to a tough discussion where disagreements are aplenty, but that comment sure as shit looked like a back out to me.

alright, I can see why you'd see it that way, so here is the train of thought that lead me to say that. I was thinking "how did I get here again?" I had stayed out of this conversation for a bit, then I remembered that 2 days ago I saw something Syd said, and I disagreed, in a thoughtful , gentlemanly way, then bada boom bada bing, I'm in a 2 day argument with Spoon, again. That's everything that was tied into that statement, that I was responding to Epo.

Bob Impact

04-20-2013, 08:37 AM

good

now is that communist red or lilly liberal yella?

Rainbow flag, bitches.

spoon

04-20-2013, 08:39 AM

wooooo!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2UbHmHM5oGI/UPGfstVwIAI/AAAAAAAAAy0/IF9RBfYb7ic/s1600/Jake&pregnantLadyRainicorn.png

hanso

04-21-2013, 07:39 AM

The 2nd amendment should be remade. It wouldn't have to if the NRA/ right would do sensible things in politics, but those days have long past.

Sorry to blow up rainbow unicorn time, but I want to put out my view on this.

spoon

04-21-2013, 09:49 AM

How dare you!

; )

hanso

04-21-2013, 11:11 AM

sailor

04-22-2013, 04:37 AM

Crazy shoot out in Seattle including cops killing one of the wounded who pulled a gun when the cops went to help him. Five dead.

WRESTLINGFAN

04-24-2013, 03:50 PM

PapaBear

04-24-2013, 04:01 PM

GE Capital cuts off lending to gun shops. That's the free market at work.
The same GE Cap that was bailed out by the taxpayers and the parent company enjoys crony capitalism, gets green energy deals scamming the taxpayer and other subsidies.

They are basically welfare queens with a lot of clout

GE Capital cuts off lending to gun shops (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ge-capital-cuts-off-lending-to-gun-shops-2013-04-24-151034512)

The moves highlight how companies, closely attuned to the concerns of investors and employees, have reacted to public horror caused by the attacks, even as complicated political considerations doomed new gun-control legislation in the Congress.
Many of GE’s employees live around Newtown and several have children in the Sandy Hook elementary school, where the shootings took place. Peter Lanza, the father of Sandy Hook gunman Adam Lanza, is an executive at GE Capital. GE Chief Executive Jeff Immelt held a town-hall meeting with affected employees after the shooting, and the board has been updated on efforts to help staff, a person familiar with the matter said.

Reads like a sound business decision, from a publicly traded company, to me.

WRESTLINGFAN

04-24-2013, 04:25 PM

Let's not overlook that GE is void of morals. On paper it looks like they are taking the high road but has tons of business interests in China, a country noted for its human rights abuses

Those gun shops will get funding from other outlets like smaller regional banks and financial institutions. Also the loss of revenue will be a blip on the radar for GE

PapaBear

04-24-2013, 04:40 PM

It has nothing to do with the "high road". They see an immediate threat to their worth, if they don't change a business practice. GE has done MANY scary things as a company. But those things aren't a current threat to their bottom line. I'm sure there isn't a single serious "moral" thought involved in this latest move. Their job is to make money. Much like the companies that manufacture and sell ammunition, who have been capitalizing on the fears of their customer base to increase profit. It's true American Capitalism at it's finest! Fox News should be praising them.

brettmojo

04-24-2013, 04:42 PM

GE Capital cuts off lending to gun shops (http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ge-capital-cuts-off-lending-to-gun-shops-2013-04-24-151034512)

Reads like a sound business decision, from a publicly traded company, to me.

Yeah but you're sane.

PapaBear

04-24-2013, 04:43 PM

Yeah but you're sane.
It's a curse. Please don't hold it against me.

WRESTLINGFAN

04-24-2013, 04:44 PM

I agree with your points but GE doesn't practice capitalism. With all the subsidies and tax breaks its more of a practice of crony capitalism.

PapaBear

04-24-2013, 05:01 PM

I agree with your points but GE doesn't practice capitalism. With all the subsidies and tax breaks its more of a practice of crony capitalism.
I said "American Capitalism". It's the way it's always been here. Love it, or leave it!

hanso

04-24-2013, 08:57 PM

I said "American Capitalism". It's the way it's always been here. Love it, or leave it!

You tell that parroting treasonist.

The story had rotated, but there is a state that has the gun carry license added on to drivers licenses. And the conspiracy loving right wing lawmakers from that state fear a national list somehow from this practice. So their solution is to defund the DMV.

Damn the innocent full idiocy ahead!

hanso

04-24-2013, 09:35 PM

sry wrong thread...

spoon

04-25-2013, 05:43 AM

sry wrong thread...

too late

damage done

Jujubees2

04-28-2013, 03:39 PM

Wife accidentally kills husband during gun lesson: Police (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/28/17959498-wife-accidentally-kills-husband-during-gun-lesson-police?lite)

Vodka, lemonade and hand guns. The winning combination!

WRESTLINGFAN

04-28-2013, 03:46 PM

Drunk off her ass and she still gets in a chest shot

Jujubees2

05-01-2013, 04:39 AM

Undercover Denver TV reporter buys several semiautomatic guns from private sellers in just hours, no questions asked (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/undercover-reporter-buys-privately-sold-semiautomatic-guns-hours-article-1.1331658#ixzz2S2oZcDr2)

Jujubees2

05-01-2013, 08:00 AM

Five-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills sister (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18000685-five-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister?lite)

sailor

05-01-2013, 08:02 AM

Five-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills sister (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18000685-five-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister?lite)

Would be better in our "random one-off shooting" thread.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-01-2013, 08:08 AM

Bad parenting.

It takes a couple of seconds to check to clear and check that the weapon is unloaded.

hanso

05-01-2013, 11:35 AM

Bad parenting.

It takes a couple of seconds to check to clear and check that the weapon is unloaded.

So your saying 5 year olds should be armed

A.J.

05-01-2013, 11:40 AM

So your saying 5 year olds should be armed

They have to compete with those child soldiers in Africa and Asia!

Jujubees2

05-01-2013, 11:55 AM

So your saying 5 year olds should be armed

As long as they pass the background check...

WRESTLINGFAN

05-01-2013, 12:01 PM

So your saying 5 year olds should be armed

No one needs more than 10 rounds to throw a tantrum

brettmojo

05-01-2013, 05:44 PM

Five-year-old boy accidentally shoots, kills sister (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/01/18000685-five-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-sister?lite)

If only his sister was armed...

hanso

05-01-2013, 08:54 PM

Just heard it was a 'youth rifle' a rifle made for youths.

spoon

05-01-2013, 09:21 PM

If only his sister was armed...

yankees suck, but that joke was awesome!

:lol:

brettmojo

05-02-2013, 03:38 PM

yankees suck, but that joke was awesome!

:lol:

You shouldn't give up yet... The Jays still might break even, maybe.

spoon

05-02-2013, 06:40 PM

You shouldn't give up yet... The Jays still might break even, maybe.

I haven't given up the last twenty years, what part of loyal fan did you miss which made you even allude to the fact I've given up? I still like the moves overall and hope they go out and get a higher level coach tbh. BB is missed with fielding and base running.

hey they had a plan and gave it a try...it will run its course and one can only hope it gets on track

the east is all over this year and one month it'll be NYY and Boston hot, the next TB and Toronto, after that it could be Balt hot...that's my guess, and May JUST started

way early

Jujubees2

05-03-2013, 04:55 AM

Where does the NRA find these guys?

Nutty new NRA president Jim Porter still fighting war against 'Northern Aggression' (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nutty-new-nra-president-jim-porter-war-guns-article-1.1333864#ixzz2SEZqUnDS)

sailor

05-03-2013, 04:57 AM

Jujubees2

05-03-2013, 05:05 AM

How long before the NRA takes the county to court?

Subtracting guns from the domestic violence equation: rare but effective (http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/03/18020730-subtracting-guns-from-the-domestic-violence-equation-rare-but-effective?lite)

sailor

05-03-2013, 05:19 AM

hanso

05-03-2013, 06:41 AM

Syd

05-03-2013, 08:40 AM

How long before the NRA takes the county to court?

They won't, and they'll probably encourage it. The people served will likely buy another gun.

hanso

05-03-2013, 09:11 AM

They won't, and they'll probably encourage it. The people served will likely buy another gun.

Your right, the answer is always more guns

WRESTLINGFAN

05-03-2013, 09:15 AM

More laws. That solves everything

:lol:

WRESTLINGFAN

05-03-2013, 12:24 PM

NRA convention in Houston this weekend. Watch out for violence and property damage.

Oh wait that happened at a may day rally in Seattle

Syd

05-03-2013, 04:20 PM

there'll be plenty of visits to the ER as well as bath houses though

spoon

05-03-2013, 05:05 PM

More laws. That solves everything

:lol:

No, clearly it is the problem here and never the answer.

spoon

05-03-2013, 05:07 PM

there'll be plenty of visits to the ER as well as bath houses though

On and I'm sure deucebag bigelow look a like WF will be working the circuit HARD!

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 04:41 AM

On and I'm sure deucebag bigelow look a like WF will be working the circuit HARD!

I''m sure you're an expert in handling mens weapons

Jujubees2

05-04-2013, 05:58 AM

Four-year-old boy shoots cop's wife dead at weekend BBQ (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/toddler_shoots_cop_wife_dead_at_4NIFeQbaDpyVoW4S5k rAOO?utm_campaign=OutbrainA&utm_source=OutbrainArticlepages&obref=obinsource)

spoon

05-04-2013, 06:07 AM

I''m sure you're an expert in handling mens weapons
Good one parrot.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 06:09 AM

If any of you want to blame the senate in regards to gun control being killed , vet your anger at Reid. He said the assault weapon ban would not pass

Plus if the background check passed both houses. It still wouldn't be good enough amirite?

Look at Obamacare. That wasn't good enough. Many wanted single payer or at the very least a public "option"

spoon

05-04-2013, 06:25 AM

Your points seem more idiotic then ever. Reid said that why? Bc he new it was doomed, not bc he was against it. So blame him sure.

If they passed it woukd be weak, but a start and SOMETHING.

AND YES, many times i want more, but it doesn't automatically make what u did get bad. Like the gun bills, a public option probably would have killed the whole thing so try and get that. But hey, just keep making those great points.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 06:30 AM

That's a cop out . He's an awful majority leader. Now if Durbin was majority leader he wouldnt bring a watered down version

spoon

05-04-2013, 06:37 AM

That's a cop out . He's an awful majority leader. Now if Durbin was majority leader he wouldnt bring a watered down version

It not a cop out, it's the reason. And of course Reid sucks, like most politicians he truly only worries about reelection.
If Durbin brought less watered down versions what does that change? One now doesn't pass and the other still gets defeated. So like a wf post, that would have been worthless.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 06:43 AM

Durbin is better at the game than Reid is. The only reason he's majority leader is because he's been there since reconstruction

The fact of the matter is that if a background check only bill was passed we would hear from Obamas left flank that he once again caved in just like with the tax rates, Obamacare etc.

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:25 AM

More laws. That solves everything

:lol:

Laws so riddled with NRA riders it renders them all but useless

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 09:28 AM

Laws so riddled with NRA riders it renders them all but useless

Again, Just enforce the laws already passed.

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:30 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 09:32 AM

There at least a few of these stories every week.

Don't blame the gun. Blame the idiot adults for leaving a loaded gun accessible in plain sight.

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:43 AM

NRA convention in Houston this weekend. Watch out for violence and property damage.

Oh wait that happened at a may day rally in Seattle

Ted Cruz. Sarah Palin. Glenn Beck & WF > Seattle

WTG!:clap:

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:45 AM

Again, Just enforce the laws already passed.

That's what they say & want everyone to parrot. They are riddled with NRA riders!

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 10:06 AM

Ted Cruz. Sarah Palin. Glenn Beck & WF > Seattle

WTG!:clap:

Im here in CT

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 10:08 AM

That's what they say & want everyone to parrot. They are riddled with NRA riders!

It's the masters who want to create more laws to punish responsible people.

The same gov't which refuses to prosecute the same gun laws they enact

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 10:50 AM

Cruz challenged Biden to a debate on gun laws. Even though that won't happen. It would have been nice to see someone who argued in front of SCOTUS during the Heller case against a retard who has been running for president since the founding and someone who constantly blurbs out insane comments

Earlier this week Barack answered a question in regards if he still has juice with Maybe I should pack my things and go home

Well we would still be fucked. Crazy Joe would take his spot.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-04-2013, 04:41 PM

I knew it. Ammo is just one of those unnecessary add ons kinda like the extended warranty they try to sell at Best buy :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://www.exploringthenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/ShotByUnloadedGun.jpg

spoon

05-04-2013, 04:45 PM

Im here in CT

You sure are! (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/30/300-gallons-of-urine-mans-house_n_3186749.html)

WF is still PISSED off!

spoon

05-04-2013, 04:46 PM

That's what they say & want everyone to parrot. They are riddled with NRA riders!

WF is their "man"!

spoon

05-04-2013, 04:47 PM

It's the masters who want to create more laws to punish responsible people.

The same gov't which refuses to prosecute the same gun laws they enact

do me a favor, explain to me how background checks "punish responsible people"?

spoon

05-04-2013, 04:49 PM

spoon

05-04-2013, 05:02 PM

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:33 PM

It's the masters who want to create more laws to punish responsible people.

The same gov't which refuses to prosecute the same gun laws they enact

I keep telling you the riders make the laws inoperable (look into it)

"refuses to prosecute"?

You mean send someone to the privatised prisons they created? When the whole point was to stop them from obtaining guns in the first place?

hanso

05-04-2013, 09:41 PM

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 05:36 AM

I keep telling you the riders make the laws inoperable (look into it)

"refuses to prosecute"?

You mean send someone to the privatised prisons they created? When the whole point was to stop them from obtaining guns in the first place?

Yes, refuses to prosecute federal gun laws.

Riders have nothing to do with it. A kid with a joint is not the same as some savage MS-13 Gangmember

spoon

05-05-2013, 08:38 AM

Yes, refuses to prosecute federal gun laws.

Riders have nothing to do with it. A kid with a joint is not the same as some savage MS-13 Gangmember

cool KID with a joint vs SOME SAVAGE GANGMEMBER with a MS-13

right back to gangs

telling and hilarious

most want to changes to help it ALL, both sides of the coin

in the end it means LESS GUNS OVERALL, not that hard to see THIS is where trickle down actually happens...whether sold or stolen.

hanso

05-05-2013, 09:27 AM

The above video from nra houston. Remember kids the answer is always more guns. TY for playing the nra game.

hanso

05-05-2013, 09:52 AM

Yes, refuses to prosecute federal gun laws.

Riders have nothing to do with it. A kid with a joint is not the same as some savage MS-13 Gangmember

They heck they don't, they shut down an agency from even having studies on the matter. And are behind making laws along with alec.

spoon

05-05-2013, 09:55 AM

The above video from nra houston. Remember kids the answer is always more guns. TY for playing the nra game.

well that's just it and it shows you their true direction is selling more guns, not safety and rights

you need a gun/safe in the kid's room, the hall closet, the kitchen

wow, how about homes with moats and gun turrets on the corners!?

wtf?

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 10:22 AM

They heck they don't, they shut down an agency from even having studies on the matter. And are behind making laws along with alec.

Holders Justice dept prosecuted less than 100 federal gun law offenses out of thousands

Guess he was too busy doling guns out to Mexican cartels

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 10:27 AM

That's one fringe speaker and he's an idiot for saying that.

If you even bothered to learn anything. In General the NRA promotes gun safety

No moats or artillery batteries but have you seen the WH? Snipers patrolling the roof and over the top security. As usual they took the OK City bombing and took the opportunity to turn the people's house into a fortress

40 years ago people were able to stand outside the gates of the WH calling for Nixon to resign. Try doing that today and your head will be reduced to looking like a smashed grape due to a high powered rifle round tearing it up

spoon

05-05-2013, 11:32 AM

Like i said, the nra's real objective, not the bs they fool idiots like you with. If gun safety was even clos to their hearts, the background checks would have been updated years ago and the nra wouldn't have destroyed even current laws and past policy on said issue. Sorry, not even close to true just bc you claim it wf.

As for the nixon/ white house comment, sigh. You're so fucking full of shit it's comical. So protresting a prez outside the white house ends in a high powered rifle shot to the head reducing it to what amounts to a smashed grape? Yah, sure thing idiot. Talk about blowing shit out of proportion to the world of the idiotic. Tyranny is such a threat and you live in fear yet are allowed to cry all day long, usually with racists overtones to say the least, but to complain outside the gates means not only death, but a gruesome public shooting!? You're still a fool.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 11:47 AM

You're just an ignorant fool. Instead of railing against an organization you know nothing about , quit being lazy and research for once. The NRA doesn't want everyone armed and they don't want people just owning guns without knowing how to clean, maintain and know the safety measures are . How many times must you be refuted ? None of the measures proposed would prevent these shootings? Instead you constantly rely on mentally defect politicians to concoct these laws that will somehow protect us. These politicians have zero moral authority especially after providing weapons to Drug cartels, Foreign fighters who end up turning against us. Refer to the Afghans during the 1980s as example.

I don't worry all day and night about the government, but I don't think they can't and won't . You throw around racism like its a cheap trinket. Wanna know racism ? How about the patron saint of Democrats FDR rounding up Japanese and putting them into camps

Here's another example. The other hero of progressives, Woodrow Wilson segregating the military

Face it. Obama blew his load too many times, used the victims families once too often and as a matter of fact , Gun safety isn't as important as the awful economy still stuck in the mud.
Also that 40% of all sales without checks was another lie he was peddling. No surprise, the man is a serial liar.

Finally if the NRA was such a fringe group then why did membership increase since Newtown?

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 11:50 AM

spoon

05-05-2013, 11:55 AM

You literally talk to to yourself. Nothing u said make any sense based on what i posted, by don't let that get in the way of the constant idiotic rants. Worthless sums it all up. U, talking to you and your points...all worthless. And thanks for parroting my line for you. Seriously not ONE original thought in that sad pathetic mind of yours.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 11:58 AM

You don't want to hear anything . Just listen to your idiot political class in DC for guidance. They know how to keep you safe. The same body of low lives who managed to fuck up budgets, start unnecessary wars and create these programs which end up becoming failures

spoon

05-05-2013, 11:59 AM

Why is over the top security needed for the WH?

Again use an event to strengthen the police state while violating civil liberties of the public

More examples. TSA, NDAA and Patriot act. Talk about a contradiction , nothing patriotic about that

For fuck's sake asshole, NOBODY is for the ndaa or pat act, but the tsa is another bs argument by your ilk and tie in bc of who runs it, that's it. You are ALL OVER the place and it's hilarious. Just shut the fuck up and perhaps once, just once, you can read long enough to keep your focus. You made a claim that was fucking stupid, nobody said go ndaa or patriot act. But fuck it! Rant on again! Fucking fool doesn't even begin to cover it. You're beyond and below that summation clearly.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:04 PM

It all ties in dummy. Your problem is that you can not link everything together.

Just keep believing your government is out for your safety and protection. I choose not to be so naive

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:08 PM

Like I'm going to listen to a retard like Biden on how to use a firearm.

Here you have the 2nd most powerful person in the world talking like some asshole frat boy

spoon

05-05-2013, 12:11 PM

It all ties in dummy. Your problem is that you can not link everything together.

Just keep believing your government is out for your safety and protection. I choose not to be so naive

Ha! That's it! Not only do I believe the gov out of nowhere is out for my safety and protection after just telling you AGAIN i agree with some and other areas do not, you know, like most rational people breaking things down issue by issue not just tied to gov or not, but you just aren't the naive one and it all ties in. You make schizophrenics with tourettes look less paranoid and knee jerk. Just stop talking, I can't stress enough how idiotic you are.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:14 PM

Again slow one. Nothing they are proposing will fix anything. It's like going to the dentist because you keep having chest pains.

Rational people like who? Joe Biden and Diane Feinstein?

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:17 PM

spoon

05-05-2013, 12:31 PM

Again slow one. Nothing they are proposing will fix anything. It's like going to the dentist because you keep having chest pains.

Rational people like who? Joe Biden and Diane Feinstein?

this has been covered many times

go read back fuckwad

another point lost on you, or completely read past bc you only focus on your next off topic rant

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:36 PM

this has been covered many times

go read back fuckwad

another point lost on you, or completely read past bc you only focus on your next off topic rant

It's been covered that these mentally defective politicians are so void of common sense it's astounding

They are like children . Get something passed. I don't care what it is. Pass the bill . We have to show we are working for the Murrrrrrican people

spoon

05-05-2013, 12:41 PM

PS

Do all the bitching you want. 4 Democrats voted to kill the bill.

I love how everyone gushes over McLame because they feel he made the right decision. The old fool doesn't know that he's being used

Hee hee yeaa hee hee I'm a Maverick

yes, all idiots running for reelection in typical red states rather than doing what's right
with one exception being Reid who did so in order to allow for it to be reintroduced/procedural reasons.

and being used or seeing some value, whatever you want to call it, at least it was a chance for a start

and your do all the bitching I want about party lines?! you show your true color by even taking it where nobody has, much less myself. I don't care one bit outside of voting the right way based on what the people want/what's best in my mind, not your party line bs that you only cross when it suits you or it's a whipping boy they want out anyway. try as you may, you're a gop shill to say the least, bc ripping on anyone who votes with or close to in favor of a dem or gov based law or program makes you cry.

spoon

05-05-2013, 12:45 PM

It's been covered that these mentally defective politicians are so void of common sense it's astounding

They are like children . Get something passed. I don't care what it is. Pass the bill . We have to show we are working for the Murrrrrrican people

the majority of the US public want something done, 85-90% agree with and want better checks, but yah, they should do nothing...AGAIN, bc the NRA and its in the end small group has way too much power and knows if they back down anywhere it means people wake up like in Australia. Sorry, even that post above is ridiculous in how you approach the issue, your tact and telling us our politicians shouldn't be doing, you know, THEIR FUCKING JOB. Everything should be based on some past document and never changed, updated or tweaked...just like Jefferson intended...oh wait, wrong.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 12:55 PM

yes, all idiots running for reelection in typical red states rather than doing what's right
with one exception being Reid who did so in order to allow for it to be reintroduced/procedural reasons.

and being used or seeing some value, whatever you want to call it, at least it was a chance for a start

and your do all the bitching I want about party lines?! you show your true color by even taking it where nobody has, much less myself. I don't care one bit outside of voting the right way based on what the people want/what's best in my mind, not your party line bs that you only cross when it suits you or it's a whipping boy they want out anyway. try as you may, you're a gop shill to say the least, bc ripping on anyone who votes with or close to in favor of a dem or gov based law or program makes you cry.

Ha GOP shill? Can you come up with anything else more unoriginal you repetitive twit?

I don't want the US to get involved in another countrys civil war. You're either ignorant or just plain old stupid.

These so called common sense laws these idiot politicians craft up and devise with their multi hundred page bills is nothing but fluff and feel good proposals. Just like the Patriot act. Politicians feel that they need to craft up legislation because they want their name on a bill. Example Manchin Toomey.

Your pathetic comments of me marching lock step with the GOP constantly get vaporized time and time again. You're a glutton for being refuted

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 01:00 PM

the majority of the US public want something done, 85-90% agree with and want better checks, but yah, they should do nothing...AGAIN, bc the NRA and its in the end small group has way too much power and knows if they back down anywhere it means people wake up like in Australia. Sorry, even that post above is ridiculous in how you approach the issue, your tact and telling us our politicians shouldn't be doing, you know, THEIR FUCKING JOB. Everything should be based on some past document and never changed, updated or tweaked...just like Jefferson intended...oh wait, wrong.

Most people want the budget balanced and our men out of Afghanistan. Why aren't your politicians doing their fucking job

85% were happy with their insurance but yet this president and his lackeys still rammed thru Obamacare and now look what happened. As I predicted that shit law wouldn't be as great as advertised

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 01:02 PM

Actually if the constitution was applied , Government would do only as mandated and have limited power.

To hell with it though

Single Payer Maaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!

spoon

05-05-2013, 02:00 PM

Ha GOP shill? Can you come up with anything else more unoriginal you repetitive twit?

I don't want the US to get involved in another countrys civil war. You're either ignorant or just plain old stupid.

These so called common sense laws these idiot politicians craft up and devise with their multi hundred page bills is nothing but fluff and feel good proposals. Just like the Patriot act. Politicians feel that they need to craft up legislation because they want their name on a bill. Example Manchin Toomey.

Your pathetic comments of me marching lock step with the GOP constantly get vaporized time and time again. You're a glutton for being refuted

sure thing WF, your posts don't back up your bs excuses EVER

not to mention the very reason it came up this time, once again, was bc YOU were painting the political lines down and showing your true underlying color...bc you're a mouthpiece for 95% of their policies and pointing out the 5% that differs is comical.

and by your standards you think lawmakers shouldn't make or change laws based on your post...which is stupid. yes they are involved, it's unfortunately the nature of the law, much less politics these days. finally, you're an ass, the end (pun intended).

spoon

05-05-2013, 02:17 PM

Most people want the budget balanced and our men out of Afghanistan. Why aren't your politicians doing their fucking job

85% were happy with their insurance but yet this president and his lackeys still rammed thru Obamacare and now look what happened. As I predicted that shit law wouldn't be as great as advertised

first off, you think I DON'T want a balanced budget? or our men out of Afghanistan? You're an idiot to even try bringing those up against me, but if you tackle timelines that are feasible and smart, that's where YOU tap out with the idiocy clause...your norm.

and 85% happy!? HA! until the right and others put on their smear campaign, HC reform was preferred by almost the margin you speak, and definitely the majority. Just claiming the numbers based only those WITH insurance is laughable, as the policy is about those WITHOUT it in the end and expanding coverage and more. Also, your 85% number, funny stuff. As you predicted now? You basically just shit on anything tied to this prez or any gov instituted policy, so this is now some grand call!? Please. Tie in the fact that so many other factors are interlinked to this debacle and here we have one side trying and the other trying to stop everything...sounds like the norm to me.

spoon

05-05-2013, 02:19 PM

Actually if the constitution was applied , Government would do only as mandated and have limited power.

To hell with it though

Single Payer Maaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!

oof

you are pathetic

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 02:24 PM

I know the system needed improvement however whenever the government says reform what really happens is that it fucks things up even more. One of Obamas top issues when he was sworn in was Obamacare, all while the economy was crashing

Improvements would have been to open the system to more competition , simplify the process. Instead what we got was a payoff to the insurance corps, back room deals, exemptions for Politicians and unions and the federal government mandating we buy a certain product or face a tax. More corporatism practiced by this corrupt government
Obamacare was a cancer since being proposed and written up

The law was passed and still his left flank said it wasn't good enough

Notice anyone with a last name of Obama won't have to suffer thru this gaggle fuck?

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 02:25 PM

oof

you are pathetic

Democracy Maaaaaaaaan

spoon

05-05-2013, 02:34 PM

spoon

05-05-2013, 02:35 PM

Democracy Maaaaaaaaan

you just attained a new level of parrot

WFian parrot power up! the only power you get from turning parroting someone else into a double parrot including yourself!

nice work fuckwad

Syd

05-05-2013, 03:08 PM

it isn't good enough, but a start once again...and yes, free market is NOT the answer to healthcare

it would be, we could all have health insurance under standard healthcare, inc because the natural result of the free market is a monopoly

spoon

05-05-2013, 03:21 PM

it would be, we could all have health insurance under standard healthcare, inc because the natural result of the free market is a monopoly

single payer would fit much better there, versus single negotiator

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 03:37 PM

it isn't good enough, but a start once again...and yes, free market is NOT the answer to healthcare

To hell with companies competing with each other.

Like your precious government is adept at anything.

Medicare for all maaaaaaaaaaaaaan. Look how they managed to fuck up that program. That fiscal conservative. (Yea right) Dubya was so great to champion Medicare part D. A program that was not paid for.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 03:39 PM

single payer would fit much better there, versus single negotiator

You're damn right. Look how the feds are running Amtrak. Look how they raped Social security to squander into the general fund. Both parties went to raid it to pay for their pet projects.

What else should the government take over?

Lets get crackin on Universal Pre K.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-05-2013, 03:39 PM

you just attained a new level of parrot

WFian parrot power up! the only power you get from turning parroting someone else into a double parrot including yourself!

nice work fuckwad

Spoon flew over the cuckoo's nest

Syd

05-06-2013, 06:50 AM

You're damn right. Look how the feds are running Amtrak. Look how they raped Social security to squander into the general fund. Both parties went to raid it to pay for their pet projects.

What else should the government take over?

Lets get crackin on Universal Pre K.

What's wrong with Amtrak? Of the service they have dedicated rail on, they're better than the comparable private entities (British Rail)

even on the shared tracks when freight gets priority, it's still done properly

How is Social Security "raped?" It can't be raided either, because it's a series of IOUs from current taxpayers to retiring citizens.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 07:30 AM

What's wrong with Amtrak? Of the service they have dedicated rail on, they're better than the comparable private entities (British Rail)

even on the shared tracks when freight gets priority, it's still done properly

How is Social Security "raped?" It can't be raided either, because it's a series of IOUs from current taxpayers to retiring citizens.

Amtrak has never turned a profit. Over 40+ years it's billions in the red.

SS has no real assets. It was raided during the Vietnam era to pour into the General fund.

IOU's. You nailed it.

Syd

05-06-2013, 08:38 AM

Amtrak has never turned a profit. Over 40+ years it's billions in the red.

SS has no real assets. It was raided during the Vietnam era to pour into the General fund.

IOU's. You nailed it.

You know government doesn't operate on a profit, right? I mean, has the interstate highway system ever turned a profit? :thumbup:

A.J.

05-06-2013, 08:40 AM

You know government doesn't operate on a profit, right? I mean, has the interstate highway system ever turned a profit? :thumbup:

For the crooked construction companies that got the contracts to build them, sure!

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 08:52 AM

You know government doesn't operate on a profit, right? I mean, has the interstate highway system ever turned a profit? :thumbup:

Speaking of transportation, The federal excise on tax for gas is supposed to maintain Interstates and federal hwy's but the government still seems to need to pass transportation bills, The Stimulus in 2009 which were to go towards infrastructure.

So we should just expand government for everything because who needs profits ?

The NFL should just be swept up by the feds.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 11:13 AM

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390671_501520689902101_2018053670_n.jpg

hanso

05-06-2013, 11:24 AM

hanso

05-06-2013, 11:26 AM

Holders Justice dept prosecuted less than 100 federal gun law offenses out of thousands

Guess he was too busy doling guns out to Mexican cartels

The laws the nra/alec designed to fail in the first place, why do you think they keep parroting we have laws?

hanso

05-06-2013, 11:32 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 11:36 AM

I don't know. Does The NRA screen speeches before hand?

ALEC didn't prevent the DOJ from doing its duties

Reid is from Nevada

hanso

05-06-2013, 11:51 AM

I don't know. Does The NRA screen speeches before hand?

ALEC didn't prevent the DOJ from doing its duties

Reid is from Nevada

Well in general that is the protocol, the thing is they are allowing more fringe elements in for the fact the party is leaning that way.

Like Perry who had this statement recently

Rick Perry compares rejecting LGBT people to fighting slavery

I will try to find some of the bills/laws and the provisions that are added in.

deliciousV

05-06-2013, 12:20 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

this could change everything, no amount of background checks (which I'm for) will help once these things get cheaper.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 12:47 PM

Well in general that is the protocol, the thing is they are allowing more fringe elements in for the fact the party is leaning that way.

Like Perry who had this statement recently

Rick Perry compares rejecting LGBT people to fighting slavery

I will try to find some of the bills/laws and the provisions that are added in.

All of these groups/issues have fringe elements

May day protests turn into complete chaos and include elements of Anarchists

Whenever there's a march for amnesty, Unions, Free Palestine, Communist groups carrying Che Guevera flags etc glom on

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 01:41 PM

deliciousV

05-06-2013, 02:38 PM

Look out for more advanced X ray machines at the airport

they already have machines that can see your cock, I think they can see a plastic gun. The danger will be somebody putting this thing in their carry on in separate pieces then assembling it on the plane. The ammo is gonna be the issue.

sailor

05-06-2013, 02:47 PM

Please, malkovich had one of these twenty years ago.

WRESTLINGFAN

05-06-2013, 03:25 PM

Bloomberg is going to be the pointman to go across the country spending his money pushing gun control after he leaves office.

Outside NYC and the beltway he is loathed and hopefully he will be another Sheldon Adelson and blow his cash for nothing

brettmojo

05-06-2013, 07:01 PM

they already have machines that can see your cock, I think they can see a plastic gun. The danger will be somebody putting this thing in their carry on in separate pieces then assembling it on the plane. The ammo is gonna be the issue.

We're gonna' have to start arming the planes.

deliciousV

05-06-2013, 07:09 PM

We're gonna' have to start arming the planes.

maybe pass out guns to every passenger?

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Syd

05-06-2013, 09:27 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

this could change everything, no amount of background checks (which I'm for) will help once these things get cheaper.

These aren't useful weapons, they're less deadly than knives. They're just fancy murder toys for pretend-soldiers who fantasize about killing other human beings because they're pathetic and value things over human life. Also, they're probably impotent.

PapaBear

05-06-2013, 09:37 PM

These aren't useful weapons, they're less deadly than knives. They're just fancy murder toys for pretend-soldiers who fantasize about killing other human beings because they're pathetic and value things over human life. Also, they're probably impotent.
That's probably what they said about the blunderbuss, at first.

hanso

05-06-2013, 09:37 PM

well that's just it and it shows you their true direction is selling more guns, not safety and rights

you need a gun/safe in the kid's room, the hall closet, the kitchen

wow, how about homes with moats and gun turrets on the corners!?

wtf?

If they weren't just in it for profit they would have a heavy push for safety considering the following..

1/3 of homes with children have guns, many parents keep them unbeknownst to them.

Almost 1/2 of these homes have no locks on the guns.

The nra could have a sponsored lock for sale for starts. However they could care less and we will keep seeing at least a few of these children gun deaths in the news every week. ( there was one recently in the news that is in my own county )

Syd

05-07-2013, 04:12 AM

That's probably what they said about the blunderbuss, at first.

The blunderbuss was developed after other firearms, and it was purpose-built for particular uses -- mounted soldiers and naval infantry. Also, the blunderbuss would have a more useful range than an unrifled, short barrel handgun. The only useful function for the Liberator would be assassinations and other types of murders that happen within the reach of an arm.

If a blunderbuss had only one shot, with perhaps a 10-15 yard useful range, and had to be thrown away afterward despite having weeks worth of construction built into it then yeah I think they'd say the same.

Jujubees2

05-07-2013, 04:42 AM

they already have machines that can see your cock

They have magnifying glasses at the airport?

Jujubees2

05-07-2013, 04:52 AM

13-year-old Florida boy shoots 6-year-old sister with handgun at home (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/13-year-old-fla-boy-shoots-6-year-old-sister-home-article-1.1336023#ixzz2Sbwyt63Q)

WRESTLINGFAN

05-07-2013, 05:22 AM

They have magnifying glasses at the airport?

No one needs more than 10 inches to fuck a woman

WRESTLINGFAN

05-08-2013, 03:33 AM

Contrary to what most people think

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/gun-crime-drops-but-americans-think-its-worse/2139421/

Jujubees2

05-09-2013, 06:08 AM

Tampa 3-year-old shoots himself with uncle’s gun (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/tampa-3-year-old-kills-uncle-gun-article-1.1338437)

spoon

05-09-2013, 06:46 AM

Contrary to what most people think

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/07/gun-crime-drops-but-americans-think-its-worse/2139421/

"Hemenway called Pew's findings "not surprising at all."

He said a recent case that attracted national news, where a 5-year-old boy in Kentucky accidentally shot and killed his 2-year-old sister, was an example of a relatively commonplace event that, in light of the national focus on guns at the moment, became national news.

"Every week or so, something like that happens," he said. "But that's the focus now, so people are not surprisingly misled. People worry about the wrong things. What people worry about are things that are salient in the news — things that happened recently, things that they have no control over."

Soooo, a kid shoots another kid every week or so and that's the wrong focus? Ok sure thing. That alone is hilarious, much less the premise that something can't be an issue bc it is down from its worst years.

Jujubees2

05-14-2013, 04:59 AM

Charges Filed Against NJ Father of 4-Year-Old Boy Who Shot and Killed Neighbor, 6 (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Father-Arrested-Fatal-Shooting-Son-Rifle-6-Year-Old-Boy-Brandon-Holt-Toms-River-207307541.html)

WRESTLINGFAN

05-14-2013, 09:51 AM

Not a lot of reporting on the Mothers day shooting in New Orleans

The press doesn't care about black people

brettmojo

05-14-2013, 02:18 PM

Not a lot of reporting on the Mothers day shooting in New Orleans

The press doesn't care about black people

I've seen it all over the place.

SonOfSmeagol

05-14-2013, 02:26 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22421185

this could change everything, no amount of background checks (which I'm for) will help once these things get cheaper.

I'll bet there are lots of ways to make plastic or similar weapons, they just don't get the publicity.

If I had a 3D printer I'd use it to make...3D printers!

WRESTLINGFAN

05-14-2013, 04:16 PM

No one needs more than an inkjet to print something out

WRESTLINGFAN

05-15-2013, 05:25 AM

Jujubees2

05-15-2013, 05:31 AM

Biden has the solution. He has someone to communicate with who is at his intelligence level

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/viewart/20130513/GPG0101/305130406/7-year-old-boy-gets-handwritten-letter-from-Biden

But why stop at bullets? We should also replace all real cigarettes with chocolate cigarettes!

A.J.

05-15-2013, 05:33 AM

But why stop at bullets? We should also replace all real cigarettes with chocolate cigarettes!

Those were the best!

http://www.oldtimecandy.com/assets/images/misc/candy-cigarettes-50s.jpg

WRESTLINGFAN

05-15-2013, 05:33 AM

But why stop at bullets? We should also replace all real cigarettes with chocolate cigarettes!

Maybe after Bloomberg leaves office

Jujubees2

05-15-2013, 05:38 AM

Maybe after Bloomberg leaves office

Hey even with Bloomberg's attempt at a soda ban you could still buy a 32-ounce YooHoo (if they would make it in that size)!

hanso

06-08-2013, 12:57 PM

Gunman kills four in Santa Monica, shot dead by police

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/08/gunman-kills-four-in-santa-monica-shot-dead-by-police/

hanso

06-16-2013, 12:54 PM

Gunman kills four in Santa Monica, shot dead by police

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/06/08/gunman-kills-four-in-santa-monica-shot-dead-by-police/

The shooting happened within a few miles of a fundraiser with President Obama in attendance. Shooter had 1300 rounds of ammunition, an assault-style rifle, and other weapons went to a community college with plans of killing hundreds

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 01:07 PM

Looks like Chicago isn't disappointing

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3450363

epo

06-16-2013, 02:35 PM

Looks like Chicago isn't disappointing

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3450363

Fun fact: A majority of the illegal guns in Chicago come from out of state.

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 02:38 PM

Criminals don't give a damn about gun laws

Pass all the Manchin Toomey bills you desire. They laugh at them

epo

06-16-2013, 02:40 PM

Criminals don't give a damn about gun laws

Pass all the Manchin Toomey bills you desire. They laugh at them

In Chicago, they thank Indiana for the loose gun laws.

Syd

06-16-2013, 02:47 PM

Fun fact: Illinois' murder rate per 100k is lower than Oklahoma, Texas and South Carolina

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 02:50 PM

Fun fact.

Criminals wont go thru a background check

They get their goods via black market and trafficking

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 02:53 PM

Fun fact

Chicago has strict gun laws and a high murder rate

epo

06-16-2013, 03:16 PM

Fun fact

Chicago has strict gun laws and a high murder rate

Fun fact: they get their guns from states who have loose gun laws.

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 03:34 PM

Many of the illegal guns have the serial number filed off. It's difficult to track where they're from

Houston is a city similar to Chicago but their gun murders are lower

Syd

06-16-2013, 04:49 PM

Fun fact

Chicago has strict gun laws and a high murder rate

Fun fact:

Texas has liberal gun laws and a higher murder rate than Chicago

http://www.nycrimecommission.org/initiative1-strikeforce.php

and we know where the guns come from

WRESTLINGFAN

06-16-2013, 06:06 PM

Texas is also a state. Chicago is a city

Texas has metro areas like DFW , Houston, Austin, El Paso, San Antonio just to name a few

As far as Chicago, strict laws on guns just like everything else, people are going to find ways to get what they are seeking regardless of laws

Syd

06-17-2013, 05:35 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_cities_by_crime_rate

even by city, Chicago has a lower murder rate than St Louis or Memphis

you're forgetting that Chicago's population is nearly the same as the entire state of Connecticut

WRESTLINGFAN

06-17-2013, 05:48 AM

It showed N/A for violent crime rate regarding Chicago

How can overall metrics be measured for crimes then ?

Syd

06-17-2013, 06:11 AM

You can't compare across different districts because different districts have different definitions of certain crimes. It's why murder rate comparisons between nations only defines murder as "intentional homicide" even murder isn't comparable because definitions vary wildly. "Violent crime" is extremely nebulous

hanso

06-17-2013, 09:05 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

06-20-2013, 06:23 AM

Bloombergs group mayors against illegal guns issues apology because Tamerlan Tsarnaevs name was included in names of people killed by gun violence

Syd

06-20-2013, 07:58 AM

Do they include police involed deaths? ("intentional homicide")

If they're ruled as something synonymous with murder, yeah.

brettmojo

06-20-2013, 03:44 PM

Bloombergs group mayors against illegal guns issues apology because Tamerlan Tsarnaevs name was included in names of people killed by gun violence

They weren't wrong.

PapaBear

06-20-2013, 08:59 PM

Do they include police involed deaths? ("intentional homicide")

If they're ruled as something synonymous with murder, yeah.
I think hanso is asking if legit killings by cops would be included on a homicide list. When a person kills another person for any reason, legal or not, it's homicide. But it's not necessarily murder.

hanso

07-27-2013, 09:21 PM

Hostage-taker, six others killed in Florida apartment shooting

MIAMI (Reuters) – Seven people were shot and killed at an apartment building in a Miami suburb early Saturday, including the suspected gunman who was holding two hostages when a SWAT team moved in, police said.

The hostages were rescued unharmed, Hialeah Police Sergeant Eddie Rodriguez told NBC News.

The standoff began on Friday evening during an argument between the gunman and the husband and wife who ran the apartment complex. Their bodies were among the six found after the SWAT team moved in on Saturday morning, police said.

The gunman lived in a fourth-floor apartment with his mother, the Miami Herald quoted the landlords’ daughter, Shamira Pisciotti, as saying.

The couple, 78-year-old Italo Pisciotti and 68-year-old Samira Pisciotti, went to the unit to discuss a problem with the gunman, who opened fire and killed them both, their daughter told the newspaper.

Three other victims were found shot to death in that building and one was walking into a building across the street when the gunman shot him from a balcony, police said.

The shooter was barricaded inside a fifth-floor apartment with the two hostages when police negotiators made contact with him during the night. The SWAT team swarmed in after the talks broke down about 2 a.m., the Herald said.

The apartment complex in the blue-collar, mostly Hispanic community housed about 90 families.

hanso

08-08-2013, 09:16 PM

Four Dead, Two Injured After Shooting At PA Town Hall Meeting

This dispute appears to be a local one, and tragic both in origin and outcome. Four are dead and two injured after a gunman began shooting through walls into a city council meeting in northeastern Pennsylvania, Via Raw Story:

“All I saw was the holes go through the hall,” said Pocono Record reporter Chris Reber, who was at the meeting in the Ross Township municipal building. “I saw smoke and plaster flying out, blowing out through the walls.”

“I was the only person who crawled out. Everyone got behind a table. Some of the supervisors were over on the side throwing up.”

The shooter had a pistol with a scope and starting shooting through the walls. He shot several people and then went to his car to retrieve another weapon.

The gunman, identified as Rockne Newell, had a long-standing dispute with the town government and FEMA over the condition of his property.

Police have identified the gunman as 59-year-old Rockne Warren Newell. His property had recently been seized by the county sheriff.

Newell had an 18-year-long dispute with the Ross Township Board of Supervisors over the condition of his property. Newell, a self-proclaimed junk collector, was ordered in 2012 to clean and vacate his property unless he obtained various permits.