New York Mets 2007 Season Thread

[RF Godfather]

<p>Ehhh I can't wait! Sorry if it's a little advance.</p><p>Mets 2007 World Champions? I love the sound of that! </p>

[yomudder21]

Since football season is now over, I guess I'll have to throw the ol' Beltran jersey on a little early.....

[yomudder21]

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[tbagnu]

well my friend...you must first get past my phillies!!!

[Basedow]

mudder who is that chick?

[yomudder21]

<strong>tbagnu</strong> wrote:<br />well my friend...you must first get past my phillies!!!<p>&nbsp;I will not listen to any Phillies talk after they finished 12 games behind the mets.&nbsp; If you want to pat your team on the back, that is fine, but the Mets are the team to beat in the division. &nbsp; </p>

[yomudder21]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:<br />mudder who is that chick?<p>&nbsp;</p><p>If you go to FHM's site they are having some dumb hottest sports fan contest.&nbsp; I just saw in there today and copied the photo.&nbsp; No doubt you will see a yankees chick in there somewhere.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>tbagnu</strong> wrote:<br />well my friend...you must first get past my phillies!!!<p>&nbsp;Phillies who?&nbsp;&nbsp; </p>

[Bellyfullasnot]

Mudder, I wouldn't put the&nbsp; Beltran jersey on too soon.&nbsp; You might find yourself watching the end of the2006 season passing right by you.&nbsp; &nbsp;

[Doogie]

All the Phillies fans just stop. Your embarrasing yourselves. As shaky as the Mets rotation is, they are still the best team in the NL East right now. The Braves are a few years away from getting back to the top, the Phillies have problems, and the Marlins and Senators are topsy turvy. The Mets have improved their lineup and as I stated once before, they have a strong lineup and will still win games of 7-4, 8-5. I have to say the Mets are very strong in the lineup and need a good trade during the season for a legitimate starter.

[Bellyfullasnot]

Please don't be confused.&nbsp; I have been a Met fan longer than Trunk has liked Bon Jovi.&nbsp; I still can't believe Carlos watched the season go right by him without swinging.&nbsp; It was still a gret season and I'm glad Willie got a little &quot;something something&quot;.&nbsp;

[newport king]

<p>throw that fucking beltran jersey in the garbage...not 1 pitch!!!! not one fucking pitch did that cock sucker swing at!! and spare me with that &quot;nasty curve&quot; talk. wainright is sandy koufax all of a sudden?? beltran will NEVER be worth anywhere near 18.5 million. </p><p>the phillies are much improved, they're only problem is that park. they get tired in the second half slugging out all those 9-7 games. but i like what they've done with the team. </p>

[Doogie]

<p>As much as the kid has sucked the rest of his career, I think we should keep an eye on Oliver Perez. A) He proved his worth in that game 7, coming through and pitching through pressure of a game like that. B) He is a lefty, lefty's do develop later in their career, but also tend to hang around longer than their right handed couterparts. </p><p>Coming up this year also for the Mets will be Mike Pelfry and Alyar Solyar, or whatever the fuck his name is. Yes he had a couple of so-so starts last year. But he also did have some good starts as well. I mention these guys cause the Mets do have people to fall back on in case some bad shit goes down (DL, suspensions, etc.) And we might get a glimpse to the future of what the Mets will deliver. This is a team that is built to last and win a few pennants. Now they just have to win one. And if and when Beltran does come through in the big game, we will be able to quote these doubters. If he fails, ok quote me. The season is 162 games long, plus the playoffs. Lets see what the season brings.</p>

[newport king]

<p>i've been waiting for the season to start since that curveball to beltran. </p><p>i swear to god i felt like a chick broke my heart when they lost that game. </p><p>anyone else shed a tear or two?</p><p>i remember watching him give up on that pitch, collapsing his wrists and watchig it go by...i got up went for a walk, sat outside for 2 hours and just stared at the ground. </p><p>truth is, i dont think i'll feel better till we get to that same spot this october.</p><p>and please mr. wright, no more hr derbys...stop fucking up that swing.</p>

[Bellyfullasnot]

I don't understand how the Phillies let Larry Bowa leave.&nbsp; He was the only thing fun to watch when the Mets pulled away from them.&nbsp; Oh well, even Larry came to NY.&nbsp; Not the Mets, but like a true bitter animal from Phil town, he came to NY.

[newport king]

his players hated him, with the constant temper tantrums in the dugout showing them up.

[Bellyfullasnot]

<p>When Beltran choked I switched immediately to Leno.&nbsp; Within seconds, the ticker flashed the results of the game.&nbsp; I switched to Lettereman and did not mention the last AB until noon the next day.</p><p>I will admit, Kenny Rogers walking in the winning run and Chipper Jone's many moments &nbsp;probaly hurt more, but without the bitter after taste.</p>

[johnniewalker]

<strong>newport king</strong> wrote:<br /><p>throw that fucking beltran jersey in the garbage...not 1 pitch!!!! not one fucking pitch did that cock sucker swing at!! and spare me with that &quot;nasty curve&quot; talk. wainright is sandy koufax all of a sudden?? beltran will NEVER be worth anywhere near 18.5 million. </p><p>the phillies are much improved, they're only problem is that park. they get tired in the second half slugging out all those 9-7 games. but i like what they've done with the team. </p><p>&nbsp;Newport king, Beltran is worth it.&nbsp; &nbsp; He had an amazing year last year.&nbsp; You can't fault him on one at bat.&nbsp; He showed much more patience last year than he's shown in his career. &nbsp; In 2004, one of the greatest playoff performances anyone has ever seen.&nbsp; His line was pretty solid in that series as well... </p><pre><span class="full">7 27 8 8 1 0 3 4 4 3 .296 .387 .667 1 0</span></pre><pre>Personally I wouldn't have wanted anyone else up to bat, on the Mets, in a situation like that, perhaps </pre><pre>in the league. &nbsp;</pre><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bellyfullasnot]

Olerud or Hernandez in that situation.&nbsp; Current line up I agree with you.

[K.C.]

<strong>Bellyfullasnot</strong> wrote:<br />I don't understand how the Phillies let Larry Bowa leave.&nbsp; He was the only thing fun to watch when the Mets pulled away from them.&nbsp; Oh well, even Larry came to NY.&nbsp; Not the Mets, but like a true bitter animal from Phil town, he came to NY. <p>What the hell are you talking about? Larry Bowa left in 2004. </p><p>The Phillies owned the Mets from 2001-2005....so how did the Mets pull away from them when Bowa was there? </p><p>2006 was the first years since 2000 the Mets finished above the Phillies. </p>

[newport king]

would rather have had loduca up in that spot. the guys a pro hitter, anyone in the league...i hate to say it...jeter. he would have gotten it done.....and beltran isnt worth 18.5 million. from pouting instead of taking a curtain call,&nbsp;to calling the yankees and offering to sign for less than what we were paying him,&nbsp;to playing on the edge of the warning track with the number 7 hitter up in the lineup, there's no way you're going to make me think he's worth that. i'd give him away in a minute for andruw jones.

[Bellyfullasnot]

I never worried about the Phillies.&nbsp; They seemed to implode.&nbsp; The Braves always scared me.

[RF Godfather]

<p>Well let me see... we lost important bullpen guys like Bradford, Oliver and R Hernandez but we got repopulated by veterans and somewhat unproven fireballers. I think we have the &quot;makings&quot; of an even more talented bullpen than ever... that's not even mentioning the return of Duaner into the mix. And I like the depth of our infield and outfield although the outfield is a wee bit crowded.</p><p>Let's do a quick rundown on the depth charts...</p><p><font size="4"><strong>SP:</strong></font></p><p>Pedro (when he returns mid-season), Glavine, El Duke, Maine, O. Perez, Pelfrey, Humber, D.&nbsp;Williams,&nbsp;&nbsp;<strong>J. Vargas</strong></p><p><font size="4"><strong>RP:</strong></font></p><p>D. Sanchez, &nbsp;Mota (after his 50 game suspension), Heilman, Feliciano, J. Padilla, Soler,<strong> Standridge, A. Burgos, &nbsp;Schoeneweis, J. Sosa,</strong> Wagner (CL)</p><p><font size="4"><strong>C:</strong></font></p><p>LoDuca, Castro&nbsp;&nbsp;</p><p><font size="4"><strong>IF:</strong></font></p><p>Delgado, Franco, A. Hern, Reyes, Valentin, Wright, <strong>R. Gotay, D. Easley</strong></p><p><strong><font size="4">OF:</font></strong> </p><p>Beltran, Green, Chavez, Milledge, C. Gomez,&nbsp;<strong>Alou, Ben Johnson, D. Newhan</strong></p><p><strong>NOTE: bold = new addition</strong></p>

[BoondockSaint]

And don't forget about Anderson Hernandez.&nbsp; I'd be surprised if he doesn't start the season as the backup 2B/SS

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />And don't forget about Anderson Hernandez. I'd be surprised if he doesn't start the season as the backup 2B/SS<p>&nbsp;Bro, he was listed as &quot;A. Hern&quot; I didn't forget about him. I would rather have him start but you would really have an expensive backup. Why did they need Valentin back anyway? </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>newport king</strong> wrote:<br /><p>i've been waiting for the season to start since that curveball to beltran. </p><p>i swear to god i felt like a chick broke my heart when they lost that game. </p><p>anyone else shed a tear or two?</p><p>i remember watching him give up on that pitch, collapsing his wrists and watchig it go by...i got up went for a walk, sat outside for 2 hours and just stared at the ground. </p><p>truth is, i dont think i'll feel better till we get to that same spot this october.</p><p>and please mr. wright, no more hr derbys...stop fucking up that swing.</p><p>i felt the same way like&nbsp;mola rom&nbsp;in temple of doom&nbsp;ripped my heart out of my chest</p><p>i would have felt less worse if he would have swung</p><p>i just stood there in amazement, and i kept saying he didnt swing , he didnt swing</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bellyfullasnot</strong> wrote:<br />I don't understand how the Phillies let Larry Bowa leave.&nbsp; He was the only thing fun to watch when the Mets pulled away from them.&nbsp; Oh well, even Larry came to NY.&nbsp; Not the Mets, but like a true bitter animal from Phil town, he came to NY. <p>What the hell are you talking about? Larry Bowa left in 2004. </p><p>The Phillies owned the Mets from 2001-2005....so how did the Mets pull away from them when Bowa was there? </p><p>2006 was the first years since 2000 the Mets finished above the Phillies. </p><p>i think he was just talking about last year </p>

[RF Godfather]

I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract.

[RF Godfather]

<p>And one more thing, Ruben Sierra got signed to a minor league deal.</p><p>...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LET'S GO METS!!! Dig my new sig? ;)&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><p>And one more thing, Ruben Sierra got signed to a minor league deal.</p><p>...</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>LET'S GO METS!!! Dig my new sig? <img src="http://www.ronfez.net/messageboard/images/smilewink.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /> &nbsp;</p><p>it is a sweet sig pic</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />And don't forget about Anderson Hernandez. I'd be surprised if he doesn't start the season as the backup 2B/SS <p>&nbsp;Bro, he was listed as &quot;A. Hern&quot; I didn't forget about him. I would rather have him start but you would really have an expensive backup. Why did they need Valentin back anyway? </p>HA!&nbsp; I saw that and never made the connection.&nbsp; I was even going to google Hern.&nbsp; I thought maybe Ed Hern had a son.&nbsp; I think they brought Valentine&nbsp;back because he played so well last year and there is no guarantee on how Hernandez&nbsp;will perform offensively.&nbsp; I think he'll be fine and maybe takeover the job by the end of the season but who knows?

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />And don't forget about Anderson Hernandez. I'd be surprised if he doesn't start the season as the backup 2B/SS <p> Bro, he was listed as &quot;A. Hern&quot; I didn't forget about him. I would rather have him start but you would really have an expensive backup. Why did they need Valentin back anyway? </p>HA! I saw that and never made the connection. I was even going to google Hern. I thought maybe Ed Hern had a son. I think they brought Valentine back because he played so well last year and there is no guarantee on how Hernandez will perform offensively. I think he'll be fine and maybe takeover the job by the end of the season but who knows?<p>&nbsp;It's all good bro. Your probably right but I was like ever other Met fan, get some young blood in here. At least he's insurance in case Anderson Hernandez doesn't play as good as he has in winter ball. </p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>&nbsp;Well he could have been only the second if we parted ways with Heilman and Glavine. Hmmm... well we have more than 4 white guys... I think so anyway.</p><p>But seriously. I don't care if we are an all Hispanic team as long as we can field the best team possible. PERIOD!&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback&nbsp; i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback&nbsp; i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>Who gives a shit.&nbsp; I don't care if he hires all purple players as long as it gets me a World Series.</p>

[Marc with a c]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback&nbsp; i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>white is the new brown.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>sorry</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>Who gives a shit. I don't care if he hires all purple players as long as it gets me a World Series.</p><p>&nbsp;Exactly... I don't care if the team officially becomes called El Mets as long as we get that World Series title!!!</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>Who gives a shit. I don't care if he hires all purple players as long as it gets me a World Series.</p><p>&nbsp;Exactly... I don't care if the team officially becomes called El Mets as long as we get that World Series title!!!</p><p>technically it'd be Los Mets but i agree a title is the end game and who cares how we get it </p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p>&nbsp;<img src="http://www.osw.com/baby/brontesilly.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="452" /></p><p><font size="3">&quot;Mets Stink!!! PFFFFFTTTT!!!&quot;&nbsp;</font></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;<img src="http://www.osw.com/baby/brontesilly.jpg" border="0" width="300" height="452" /></p><p><font size="3">&quot;Mets Stink!!! PFFFFFTTTT!!!&quot;&nbsp;</font></p><p>hey i didnt put them in queens, that was the shea's</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>Who gives a shit. I don't care if he hires all purple players as long as it gets me a World Series.</p><p> Exactly... I don't care if the team officially becomes called El Mets as long as we get that World Series title!!!</p><p>technically it'd be Los Mets but i agree a title is the end game and who cares how we get it </p><p>&nbsp;Whoops, my bad. Yeah it's LOS, typo. Yeah as long as we get that freakin' ring.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I forgot to add, we got Aaron Sele under a minor league contract. <p>ANOTHER WHITE GUY??? THAT MAKES 4... WOW!</p><p>yeh they're making a comeback i guess minaya doesnt want to be seen as a racist </p><p>Who gives a shit. I don't care if he hires all purple players as long as it gets me a World Series.</p><p>Exactly... I don't care if the team officially becomes called El Mets as long as we get that World Series title!!!</p><p>technically it'd be Los Mets but i agree a title is the end game and who cares how we get it </p><p>&nbsp;Whoops, my bad. Yeah it's LOS, typo. Yeah as long as we get that freakin' ring.</p><p>in the end its all that matters</p>

[Bestinshow]

Freddy Garcia was a good pickup. jamie moyer and adam eaton both suck. people are talking like the Phillies got Johan Santana and dontrell wiilis

[BoondockSaint]

Good article about Pedro today in the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/495401p-417407c.html" target="_blank">Daily News.</a>

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Good article about Pedro today in the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/495401p-417407c.html" target="_blank">Daily News.</a>Good article. I still think that Pedro's most dangerous weapon for hitters is between his ears. If he comes back relatively healthy, he'll win games. He has lots of pitches besides his fastball, and he's a real competitor. He'll be fine.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Good article about Pedro today in the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/495401p-417407c.html" target="_blank">Daily News.</a> Good article. I still think that Pedro's most dangerous weapon for hitters is between his ears. If he comes back relatively healthy, he'll win games. He has lots of pitches besides his fastball, and he's a real competitor. He'll be fine.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;</p><p>All I want from Pedro is him to be as good as he was in 2005.&nbsp; He won 15 but should have won 19 or 20.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Good article about Pedro today in the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/495401p-417407c.html" target="_blank">Daily News.</a> Good article. I still think that Pedro's most dangerous weapon for hitters is between his ears. If he comes back relatively healthy, he'll win games. He has lots of pitches besides his fastball, and he's a real competitor. He'll be fine.&nbsp; <p>&nbsp;</p><p>All I want from Pedro is him to be as good as he was in 2005.&nbsp; He won 15 but should have won 19 or 20.</p><p>and he was good in the first months of the 06 season too</p><p>i dont care so much how does in the reg season, just as long as he and el duque can actually throw a playoff pitch if we make it </p>

[Dan 'Hampton]

El Duque and Pedro the keys to you're postseason hopes?&nbsp; Is this 2003?&nbsp; Damn I overslept.

[Basedow]

<h3 class="entry-header"><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/02/mets_and_johan_.html">Mets And Johan Santana?</a></h3> <p><a href="http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/columnists/charley_walters/16648363.htm">Charley Walters of the St. Paul Pioneer Press</a> throws it down:</p> <p>&quot;Don't be surprised if the New York Mets, and not the Yankees, end up with <strong><a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/Johan-Santana.shtml">Johan Santana</a></strong> for $20 million a year after the Twins' Cy Young Award winner becomes a free agent after the 2008 season.&quot;</p> <p>Who knows what Santana could do pitching half his games in Shea Stadium (one season there, at least).&nbsp; I think it's impossibly early to call any kind of Santana derby, but maybe Walters just wants to send half of New York into a frenzy.&nbsp; If Santana does reach free agency, I'm sure all the major big-budget teams will have interest.&nbsp; He's only the best pitcher in baseball.</p> <p>Just for fun: <a href="http://www.baseballprospectus.com/pecota/santajo01.php">PECOTA says</a> Santana will be worth $21,800,000 for the 2009 season.</p> <p>Of course, <a href="http://www.startribune.com/509/story/964409.html">this story</a> from January 29th should not be ignored.&nbsp; The Twins will approach Santana about a contract extension, and Santana is willing to work something out.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />El Duque and Pedro the keys to you're postseason hopes?&nbsp; Is this 2003?&nbsp; Damn I overslept. <p>with the way we played in the postseason dont you think a healthy pedro and el duque would have at least gotten us to the world series ??? if not having a decent chance of winning ???</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />El Duque and Pedro the keys to you're postseason hopes?&nbsp; Is this 2003?&nbsp; Damn I overslept. <p>with the way we played in the postseason dont you think a healthy pedro and el duque would have at least gotten us to the world series ??? if not having a decent chance of winning ???</p><p>Well, Maine and Perez actually pitched pretty well.&nbsp; The hitting went down.&nbsp; But, there is no way in hell I would pick Maine or Perez over Pedro or the Duke.</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />El Duque and Pedro the keys to you're postseason hopes?&nbsp; Is this 2003?&nbsp; Damn I overslept. <p>with the way we played in the postseason dont you think a healthy pedro and el duque would have at least gotten us to the world series ??? if not having a decent chance of winning ???</p><p>would anyone have pitched better than Maine did in his starts??</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>dschef</strong> wrote:<br />El Duque and Pedro the keys to you're postseason hopes?&nbsp; Is this 2003?&nbsp; Damn I overslept. <p>with the way we played in the postseason dont you think a healthy pedro and el duque would have at least gotten us to the world series ??? if not having a decent chance of winning ???</p><p>would anyone have pitched better than Maine did in his starts??</p><p>maine pitched great, all i saying is maybe having a healthy pedro and el duque and the series doesnt go seven</p>

[BoondockSaint]

In their 4 losses the Mets scored 6, 0, 2, 1.&nbsp; So other then the game they lost 9-6, they really didn't hit. So, maybe they win in six if they have a better game 2 but who knows.

[cougarjake13]

<p>yeh i mean in game 2 we were up 6-4 going into the 7th and then wags gave up 3 runs in the 9th</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Basedow]

<h3 class="entry-header"><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/02/mets_sign_chan_.html">Mets Sign Chan Ho Park?</a></h3> <p>According to Adam Rubin of the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/496131p-418081c.html">New York Daily News</a>, the Mets will add righty <strong><a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Chan-Ho-Park.shtml">Chan Ho Park</a></strong> soon.&nbsp; A Korean newspaper mentions that the deal is for $3MM with an option.&nbsp; Park also had an offer from the Padres.&nbsp; Hat tip to MetsBlog for <a href="http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/9/2721005.html">originally finding this one</a>.</p> <p><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/12/chan_ho_park_a_.html">Back in December</a>, Scott Boras was reportedly trying to sell the Red Sox on the idea of using Park as a closer.&nbsp; Park will be helpful for the Mets as a swingman.&nbsp; I like the way Omar Minaya is building his pitching staff backwards.&nbsp; I think it'll work.</p> <p>PECOTA says to expect a 4.70 ERA from Park in 115 innings.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Basedow</strong> wrote:<br /><h3 class="entry-header"><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/02/mets_sign_chan_.html">Mets Sign Chan Ho Park?</a></h3><p>According to Adam Rubin of the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/front/breaking_news/story/496131p-418081c.html">New York Daily News</a>, the Mets will add righty <strong><a href="http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/P/Chan-Ho-Park.shtml">Chan Ho Park</a></strong> soon.&nbsp; A Korean newspaper mentions that the deal is for $3MM with an option.&nbsp; Park also had an offer from the Padres.&nbsp; Hat tip to MetsBlog for <a href="http://www.metsblog.com/blog/_archives/2007/2/9/2721005.html">originally finding this one</a>.</p><p><a href="http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2006/12/chan_ho_park_a_.html">Back in December</a>, Scott Boras was reportedly trying to sell the Red Sox on the idea of using Park as a closer.&nbsp; Park will be helpful for the Mets as a swingman.&nbsp; I like the way Omar Minaya is building his pitching staff backwards.&nbsp; I think it'll work.</p><p>PECOTA says to expect a 4.70 ERA from Park in 115 innings.</p><p>cant be any worse than the jose lima experiment</p>

[RF Godfather]

I think Chan Ho would be a pleasant surprise but we already have too many guys fighting for 5 spots already.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I think Chan Ho would be a pleasant surprise but we already have too many guys fighting for 5 spots already. <p>you know what though ?? maybe some make the team and others do well enough for us to trade them and get something for them</p>

[Bossanova]

I don't mind the move.&nbsp; Too many pitchers is never a bad thing.&nbsp; Especially when they all could be a legit number 5

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I don't mind the move.&nbsp; Too many pitchers is never a bad thing.&nbsp; Especially when they all could be a legit number 5 <p>especially after last season</p><p>and none of the deals are crazy</p><p>chan ho park</p><p>Park and the <a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/team/71607">Mets</a> agreed Friday to a $600,000, one-year contract, giving the team another option for its starting rotation heading into spring training. In addition to his base salary, Park could earn $2.4 million in performance bonuses based on innings.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>aaron sele was signed to a minor league deal</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

Not to mention, there was maybe three solid starters availible this off season and all were too highly priced.&nbsp; plus, if our starters can give up 6 or less runs this offense should carry them.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Not to mention, there was maybe three solid starters availible this off season and all were too highly priced.&nbsp; plus, if our starters can give up 6 or less runs this offense should carry them. <p>along with our improved bullpen</p>

[Bossanova]

The pen is solid

[johnniewalker]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />The pen is solid<p>&nbsp;Yahoo did a ranking of the top bullpens and i think they should have put the mets on top for sure.&nbsp; They went with the pirates, minus gonzalez the pirates bullpen looks like far from the best.&nbsp; (btw how hard is it to readjust your evaluations when its a one sentence blurb you are doing) </p><p>&nbsp;<a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=alfocusrankingthebullpen&amp;prov=tsn&amp;type=l gns">AL Focus: Ranking the bullpens</a></p><p><font>1. Pirates</font> </p><p>RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5118/">Salomon Torres</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7246/">John Grabow</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7679/">Matt Capps</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6261/">Damaso Marte</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6240/">Dan Kolb</a> </p><p><em>Editor's note: evaluations made before closer <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7207/">Mike Gonzalez</a> was traded to Atlanta.</em> Torres is an underrated workhorse who proved he can close games. </p><p><font>2. Mets</font> </p><p>LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5536/">Billy Wagner</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7065/">Aaron Heilman</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6948/">Duaner Sanchez</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6171/">Scott Schoeneweis</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7528/">Ambiorix Burgos</a> </p><p>Wagner and Heilman are formidable, but Sanchez (shoulder) is a question mark and RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6214/">Guillermo Mota</a> was suspended for the first 50 games. Burgos can be a key figure if he gains control. </p><p><font>3. Padres</font> </p><p>RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/4975/">Trevor Hoffman</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6455/">Scott Linebrink</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7539/">Cla Meredith</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7418/">Heath Bell</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7529/">Royce Ring</a> </p><p>Hoffman anchors a back end that's the equal of any in the game. Bell's power could be an excellent complement to Meredith's finesse. </p><p><font>4. Dodgers</font> </p><p>RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7726/">Takashi Saito</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7613/">Jonathan Broxton</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5819/">Brett Tomko</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5640/">Elmer Dessens</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6664/">Joe Beimel</a> </p><p>Saito was an unexpected savior last season. Beimel was particularly effective as a situational lefthander. Displaced starters LHPs <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6978/">Mark Hendrickson</a> and <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7649/">Hong-Chih Kuo</a> provide depth. </p><p><font>5. Brewers</font> </p><p>RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6300/">Francisco Cordero</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6420/">Derrick Turnbow</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7423/">Jose Capellan</a>, RHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6546/">Matt Wise</a>, LHP <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5098/">Brian Shouse</a> </p><p>The power of Cordero, Turnbow and Capellan is complemented by changeup specialist Wise and lefthanded specialist Shouse. Capellan has closer potential. </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

No way are the Pirates first.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />No way are the Pirates first. <p>yeh even with gonzalez before he was traded to the ATL they dont have a better pen</p><p>must have been written by a pirate fan</p>

[Bossanova]

5 friggin days til pitchers and cathers.&nbsp; I can not wait for this season to start.&nbsp; Its nice to look foward to the Mets defending their East Division crown again

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />5 friggin days til pitchers and cathers.&nbsp; I can not wait for this season to start.&nbsp; Its nice to look foward to the Mets defending their East Division crown again <p>yeh it'll be sweet, im gonna take a few road trips over to st lucie and the last spring training game is against the d rays in the trop... sweet</p>

[Bossanova]

My grand father camps out at St. Lucie like all spring.&nbsp; Its a blast.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />My grand father camps out at St. Lucie like all spring.&nbsp; Its a blast. <p>i'll be doing that as well when i retire</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>When I asked David Wright yesterday what is the Mets' goal for 2007, he didn't blink. &quot;Right now,&quot; Wright said, &quot;it's got to be to win a <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132007/sports/mets/met_amorphosis_mets_kevin_kernan.htm" target="_blank">World Series.&quot;</a> </p><p>I like the attitude.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>When I asked David Wright yesterday what is the Mets' goal for 2007, he didn't blink. &quot;Right now,&quot; Wright said, &quot;it's got to be to win a <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/02132007/sports/mets/met_amorphosis_mets_kevin_kernan.htm" target="_blank">World Series.&quot;</a> </p><p>I like the attitude.</p><p>hell fucking yeh</p><p>whats he supposed to say i hope we can win a few games ???</p>

[Bossanova]

Don't know if this was just babble, but I heard on some tv show, and I can not remember which one. I heard that the Mets may be thinking of tossing a contract offer to Bernie Williams to see if he bites.&nbsp; anyone know if the is valid at all.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Don't know if this was just babble, but I heard on some tv show, and I can not remember which one. I heard that the Mets may be thinking of tossing a contract offer to Bernie Williams to see if he bites.&nbsp; anyone know if the is valid at all. <p>where would he play ??? maybe a platoon in right with green or a 4th outfielder ???</p><p>his best bet is to stay in the AL and be a dh/ 4th of</p>

[docgoblin]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />In their 4 losses the Mets scored 6, 0, 2, 1. So other then the game they lost 9-6, they really didn't hit. So, maybe they win in six if they have a better game 2 but who knows.<p>&nbsp;Exactly... The pitching could not be blamed for the St. Louis series. The big bats went silent on us. I'm real worried about the pitching this year though. And I'm very annoyed they let Cliff Floyd go and picked up the always injured, extremely old Moises Alou. I hated that deal. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>docgoblin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />In their 4 losses the Mets scored 6, 0, 2, 1. So other then the game they lost 9-6, they really didn't hit. So, maybe they win in six if they have a better game 2 but who knows. <p>&nbsp;Exactly... The pitching could not be blamed for the St. Louis series. The big bats went silent on us. I'm real worried about the pitching this year though. And I'm very annoyed they let Cliff Floyd go and picked up the always injured, extremely old Moises Alou. I hated that deal. </p><p>id rather have floyd as well but a 1 yr deal for 8.5 isnt that bad</p>

[docgoblin]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>docgoblin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />In their 4 losses the Mets scored 6, 0, 2, 1. So other then the game they lost 9-6, they really didn't hit. So, maybe they win in six if they have a better game 2 but who knows. <p> Exactly... The pitching could not be blamed for the St. Louis series. The big bats went silent on us. I'm real worried about the pitching this year though. And I'm very annoyed they let Cliff Floyd go and picked up the always injured, extremely old Moises Alou. I hated that deal. </p><p>id rather have floyd as well but a 1 yr deal for 8.5 isnt that bad</p><p>&nbsp;I know, but Floyd was well liked here, and I think he liked being in NY also. Alou seems like the &quot;I can't play in New York&quot; types. Especially as soon as any adversity comes his way.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>docgoblin</strong> wrote: <p>Exactly... The pitching could not be blamed for the St. Louis series. The big bats went silent on us. I'm real worried about the pitching this year though. And I'm very annoyed they let Cliff Floyd go and picked up the always injured, extremely old Moises Alou. I hated that deal. </p><p>id rather have floyd as well but a 1 yr deal for 8.5 isnt that bad</p><p>&nbsp;I know, but Floyd was well liked here, and I think he liked being in NY also. Alou seems like the &quot;I can't play in New York&quot; types. Especially as soon as any adversity comes his way.</p><p>yeh i mean both guys are chronic injury concerns so why not go with the guy who's been here and we know can perform well here </p>

[RF Godfather]

Spring training is officially on, let's go Mets!!!!!!

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />Spring training is officially on, let's go Mets!!!!!! <p>yeh boooyzzzzzzzzz</p>

[Bossanova]

<p>Im trying to figure out how Maine has to try out&nbsp;for the 3rd spot in the rotation.&nbsp;&nbsp; I feel he reaned it over Perez in the playoffs</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Im trying to figure out how Maine has to try out&nbsp;for the 3rd spot in the rotation.&nbsp;&nbsp; I feel he reaned it over Perez in the playoffs</p><p>well you got glavine, duque and i guess maine could be 3rd until pedro comes back but who else would it be</p><p>Perez, Chan Ho Park, Mike Pelfrey, Jorge Sosa, Philip Humber, Jason Vargas, Aaron Sele and Alay Soler</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>Fucking Milledge just doesn't get it:</p><p><strong>LAST NOT LEAST: </strong>Randolph, asked about <strong>Lastings Milledge</strong> losing a chance to make a good impression by arriving early, said: &quot;As long as you're on time, that's what I care about. I would assume Milledge will be in tiptop shape because he lives in Florida.&quot; </p><p>Milledge is likely ticketed for Triple-A New Orleans, since the bench should be <strong>Ramon Castro, Julio Franco, Damion Easley, Endy Chavez</strong> and likely Newhan over <strong>Ben Johnson</strong>. The Mets have had little recent contact with Milledge. He declined to play winter ball despite the club's suggestion he participate.</p>

[Don Stugots]

alot of young guys today dont get it.&nbsp; he is no different.

[BoondockSaint]

But all he has to do is look at Wright and Reyes who are always two of the first players there.&nbsp; If I was him those are the two guys I'd try to pattern myself after.

[Don Stugots]

well maybe he has his own ideas of who to pattern his life after.&nbsp; like maybe Strawberry.

[BoondockSaint]

Shit, if he hit like Strawberry did at his age I wouldn't give a shit.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Shit, if he hit like Strawberry did at his age I wouldn't give a shit. <p>we shoulda traded him when his value was high</p><p>oh well too late now </p>

[RF Godfather]

We signed Sandy Alomar Jr... say what?

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />We signed Sandy Alomar Jr... say what? <p>Minor league contract.&nbsp; No big deal.&nbsp; Not bad insurance.</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />We signed Sandy Alomar Jr... say what? <p>Minor league contract. No big deal. Not bad insurance.</p><p>&nbsp;True... come to think of it, our Triple A might just be older than the major league club. </p>

[spadanko]

<p>Nice little article on Lasto:</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla., Feb. 19 &mdash; Willie Randolph eyed the 20 or so reporters encircling him in the dugout and, with a sigh, prepared for what he considered inevitable. <br /><br />&ldquo;Come on, give me the first Milledge negative question,&rdquo; Randolph said. &ldquo;Come on, throw it at me. I know you can&rsquo;t wait.&rdquo; <br /><br />No one else in the Mets&rsquo; universe would provoke such a response, especially unsolicited. But with Lastings Milledge, the Mets&rsquo; talented but callow 21-year-old prospect, arriving Monday morning, this was Randolph&rsquo;s sly way of acknowledging what passes for a distraction in these parts. Compared with the tempests brewing across the coast at Yankees camp in Tampa, Milledge may register as barely a squall, but he must be monitored nonetheless. <br /><br />On everyone&rsquo;s mind was the sour end to his first season in the major leagues, with a note hanging from his locker in Washington that read, &ldquo;Know Your Place, Rook!&rdquo; and the lingering notion that Milledge&rsquo;s swagger had alienated his teammates, that he acted too arrogant for someone who still had much to learn about a professional lifestyle. <br /><br />Milledge showed up looking great. He had packed on 13 pounds of muscle after lifting weights and giving up red meat, and he said all the right things. The Mets had asked Milledge to play winter ball, but they eventually reached an understanding that it might be better if he rested. He seems committed to work hard and challenge Shawn Green for the right fielder&rsquo;s job. He resolved to take more responsibility for his actions. <br /><br />&ldquo;When you&rsquo;re young, you don&rsquo;t know what&rsquo;s out there,&rdquo; Milledge said. &ldquo;You don&rsquo;t know how to handle certain things. I learned about being a man.&rdquo; <br /><br />He is, perhaps, the most scrutinized 21-year-old player in baseball, and, at least for this spring, he will probably continue to be. Since he was drafted in 2003, Milledge has impressed at every level of the minor leagues, but General Manager Omar Minaya has considered trading him on several occasions, including this off-season, for pitching help. <br /><br />&ldquo;Just because you&rsquo;re talented doesn&rsquo;t mean you have a feel for the game,&rdquo; Randolph said. &ldquo;I&rsquo;ll be watching him for that reason.&rdquo; <br /><br />Just as Pedro Mart&iacute;nez&rsquo;s health dominated last spring&rsquo;s story lines, how Milledge conducts himself will probably receive a lot of attention. He said he did not anticipate needing to explain his actions to his teammates or make any promises. They will see the polished Milledge every day during workouts, he said. <br /><br />&ldquo;He just has to come in here and respect his teammates,&rdquo; Billy Wagner said. &ldquo;If he does that, his play will be good enough for him.&rdquo; <br /><br />Part of Milledge&rsquo;s challenge is to figure out how to rein in his free spirit and still play with the same flair that contributed to his appeal in the first place. His signature moment last season was June 4. After he hit his first major league home run to tie the score in the 10th inning against San Francisco, he ran down the right-field line and high-fived the fans. At the time, Milledge called his perceived showboating a &ldquo;rookie mistake,&rdquo; although the next day he retracted that comment. <br /><br />For better or worse, that image became as much a part of his persona as his braided hair or bat twirling before every at-bat. For the rest of his first month in the majors, Milledge was in the thick of things in nearly every city. In Philadelphia, his coaches and teammates scolded him for showing up only 70 minutes before an afternoon game. In Boston, the Green Monster got the better of him. In Toronto, he was ordered to dress in women&rsquo;s clothing as part of rookie hazing. After he was sent down for a month, Milledge returned Aug. 1 and was briefly considered for the postseason roster. <br /><br />&ldquo;I was alw

[Bossanova]

I really hope he pulls it all together. I would rather see him in right field, he is too talented to just be wasted

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />We signed Sandy Alomar Jr... say what? <p>Minor league contract.&nbsp; No big deal.&nbsp; Not bad insurance.</p><p>isnt his dad one of our coaches ???</p>

[Bossanova]

<p>Yes he is, he is the third base coach</p>

[Bossanova]

Anyone else excited to see HoJo back with the team?

[Kevin]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Yes he is, he is the third base coach</p><p>&nbsp;His dad is 85 and he is 77... Ahh those crazy alomars.</p>

[JizzTits+Elvis]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />We signed Sandy Alomar Jr... say what? <p>Minor league contract. No big deal. Not bad insurance.</p>He's over 40 and Latino. So of course, Omar likes him.&nbsp;DOGHOUSE!&nbsp;<p>&nbsp;</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Anyone else excited to see HoJo back with the team?<p>&nbsp;Yup always loved the HoJo.</p><p>Hopefully Gary Carter gets a shot up here as well.&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Anyone else excited to see HoJo back with the team? <p>&nbsp;Yup always loved the HoJo.</p><p>Hopefully Gary Carter gets a shot up here as well.&nbsp;</p><p>hell yeh its kick ass</p><p>id love to see carter also </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Yes he is, he is the third base coach</p><p>&nbsp;His dad is 85 and he is 77... Ahh those crazy alomars.</p><p>now we have had&nbsp;the whole family</p>

[Bossanova]

Sad thing, both Sandy's have already produced more than Roberto

[BoondockSaint]

<a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2774991" target="_blank">El Duque</a> heads to NY with stiff neck.&nbsp;

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Sad thing, both Sandy's have already produced more than Roberto <p>yep its a shame i was real excited when i heard that we got roberto, and then he just sucked ass</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2774991" target="_blank">El Duque</a> heads to NY with stiff neck.&nbsp; <p>who cares</p><p>as long as he's fine at the end of the season </p>

[Bossanova]

Manuel talked Willie into letting Floyd hit in game 7.&nbsp; I am so irritated. He was gonna bunt, and Manuel convinced him that a guy with 4 ab's could do the job against a ground ball pitcher.&nbsp; Floyd had to sit on that pitch, it would have been a double play

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Manuel talked Willie into letting Floyd hit in game 7.&nbsp; I am so irritated. He was gonna bunt, and Manuel convinced him that a guy with 4 ab's could do the job against a ground ball pitcher.&nbsp; Floyd had to sit on that pitch, it would have been a double play <p>Willie said Floyd has no idea what he is talking about.</p>

[Bossanova]

So now it starts.&nbsp; The sour grapes on a new team thing.

[BoondockSaint]

<a href="http://www.amny.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets0223,0,262374.story" target="_blank">&quot;There's no way he could know what I said to any of my coaches. He wasn't sitting on my shoulder right next to me when we were talking. I knew what I wanted to do. I made the decision. I said to you guys what I did - over and over and over - on radio, on TV. I've been very cooperative on this. Again, forgive me if I don't play into this. Forgive me if I don't. To me, you get a little cloud, and the only way it rains is to poke a hole in it. I'm not going to do that.&quot;</a>

[Bossanova]

Thanks Boondock, that a great response by Willie.&nbsp; I like how he keeps everything in house.

[cougarjake13]

<p>pedro says he's still on tarck progress wise</p><p>i dont want him to rush back too early so i hope he takes it easy </p><p><a href="http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070223&amp;content_id=1813435&amp;vkey=s pt2007news&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=nym">http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070223&amp;content_id=1813435&amp;vkey=s pt2007news&amp;fext=.jsp&amp;c_id=nym</a></p>

[johnniewalker]

<p>Happy 1st day of spring training games!&nbsp; This cracked me up on yahoo.</p><p><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/EBS/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg" border="0" /><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/teams/nym/">&quot;New York Mets</a> pitcher <a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6945/">Oliver Perez</a> hit a Sports Illustrated photographer on a leg with one of his warmup pitches. His control improved, his results did not.&quot; </p><p>&quot;Tigers manager Jim Leyland told Iacono to have trainers look at the leg, which was hit just below the knee. Iacono, who stopped shooting the game after the fourth inning, had about 15 minutes of ice and had the leg wrapped. He said after the game that he wasn't feeling too good and that he might have the leg X-rayed.&quot; </p><p>Poor oli...&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

I heard Perez was awful today.&nbsp; Not a great start for the number 4/5 hopeful

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I heard Perez was awful today.&nbsp; Not a great start for the number 4/5 hopeful <p>its his first spring training outing</p><p>i wouldnt worry until the last week of march</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>I watched the game this afternoon.&nbsp; It looked like Perez was working on his delivery and location.&nbsp; He threw almost all fastballs.</p>

[Clutch]

<p>Perez pegged some camera man right below the knee ... juuuuuuuust a bit ouside<br /> </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[Basedow]

this is hysterical about perez and the reporter.&nbsp; im a yankee fan, but i love this guy and i really hope he pans out for the mets. if he can get himself back together by late may the move will look ingenious. The guy turns 26 in august and has a 200+ K season under his belt. i hope he can still come close to the high ceiling that was predicted for him a few short years ago.

[BeerBandit]

<p>Please tell me that there's no MLB: The Show Curse.</p><p><img src="http://ps2media.ign.com/ps2/image/object/868/868302/MLB07_PS2_Packart_-_Final_jpg_jpgcopyboxart_160w.jpg" border="0" alt="DW" title="DW" width="160" height="226" />&nbsp;</p>

[Bossanova]

<p>I don't beleive so. Ortiz had a pretty good year last year.&nbsp; God I f'n hope not</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oh shit, Ortiz got hurt down the streatch.</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bossanova on 3-1-07 @ 8:28 PM</span>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>It looks like I may have been a little fast on the trigger about Milledge still not getting it and having a bad attitude.&nbsp; I keep reading about how much he has matured.&nbsp; I just read this on Mets.com:</p><p>Lastings Milledge, selected in the first round in 2003, always has turned heads with his quick bat and powerful arm. This spring, teammates and staff members are impressed by how open, engaging and conversational Milledge is. As general manager Omar Minaya reminds everybody, &quot;He's still only 21.&quot;</p>

[Bossanova]

I think he is the main reason they kept Julio Franco on this year.&nbsp; Lasting's really looks up to him

[Kevin]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I think he is the main reason they kept Julio Franco on this year. Lasting's really looks up to him<p>&nbsp;I think the only player that Lastings looks up to is himself... </p>

[Bossanova]

<p>_{<font size="1"></font>}</p><strong>Kevin wrote:&nbsp; </strong><strong>Bossanova wrote:<br /></strong>I think he is the main reason they kept Julio Franco on this year. Lasting's really looks up to him <strong></strong><p>&nbsp;I think the only player that Lastings looks up to is himself... </p><p>Thats harsh bro.&nbsp; He is supposed to have changed. We all can't be DJ</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>_{<font size="1"></font>}</p><strong>Kevin wrote: </strong><strong>Bossanova wrote:<br /></strong>I think he is the main reason they kept Julio Franco on this year. Lasting's really looks up to him <strong></strong><p> I think the only player that Lastings looks up to is himself... </p><p>Thats harsh bro. He is supposed to have changed. We all can't be DJ</p><p>&nbsp;I am only stating what i have heard... Maybe he has changed... We shall see... He showed to have pretty good skills. And btw... I am not happy with the way DJ has been handling his captaincy duties....</p>

[Bossanova]

I am happy to hear you say that about Jeter.&nbsp; I couldn't care less about the Yanks, but I think he needs to come foward with this ARod thing.

[BoondockSaint]

There's a new book coming out that talks about DJ and A-Rod having to be pulled apart in 2005 in the clubhouse.&nbsp; It also talks about DJ giving one of the locker room boys a really hard time and him treating Miguel Cairo not all that well.

[Bossanova]

<p>DJ is one guy who is really stuck on himself.&nbsp; He always gives the stock cliche answer and never puts himself on the line.&nbsp; Anything that will make him look bad, or not in his interest.&nbsp; He wants no part of it.</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I am happy to hear you say that about Jeter. I couldn't care less about the Yanks, but I think he needs to come foward with this ARod thing.<p>&nbsp;My gripe about him is, He is holding a bitchy grudge over what Arod said over 6 years ago... Get over it. You have 4 rings, money, a hot chick every week. WHO CARES. Your job as a Cap is to make sure your troops are happy. When Arod see's him defending a cheat like Giambi when he got boo'd, and not him, that has to hurt. I mean for God's sake you were here and saw maybe the best cap ever... Mess... LEARN FROM HIM..... Sorry i know this is a Met thread. </p>

[Bossanova]

Its ok, it bashing the Yankee captain.&nbsp; Mets threads always allow that.&nbsp; What ARod said wasn't even that bad, I think he is pissed cause he knows he isn't as good as Alex.&nbsp; And not to mention that he hasn't won shit since Pualie, Tino and Pettite left.&nbsp; They were the true heart and soul.

[cougarjake13]

<p>just wait til jeter tears his groin and a rod moves over to short, finally produces in the clutch and mr </p><p>jeter will never see short again </p>

[7fttall500+]

I have this gut feeling that the METS are going to have a horrible season with this pitching staff

[Bellyfullasnot]

Don't jinx them.&nbsp; I just bought tix today.

[King Hippos Bandaid]

<strong>7fttall500+</strong> wrote:<br />I have this gut feeling that the METS are going to have a horrible season with this pitching staff <p>Well&nbsp; Well&nbsp; I have a Gut feeling you Should&nbsp;<font size="3"> Shut&nbsp; up</font> </p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2793247">Grapefruit: Mets relief pitcher barred from camp</a> </p><p>Wille seems to think Sanchez is jaking it. Not good. The Mets need all the relievers they can get with that rotation, but you have to back Willie up on this. &nbsp; &nbsp;</p>

[BoondockSaint]

Eh.&nbsp; Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now.&nbsp; I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh.&nbsp; Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now.&nbsp; I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>and burgos got rocked the other day but its still only spring training</p><p>as long as he doesnt do that in the reg season</p>

[Kevin]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh. Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now. I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>and burgos got rocked the other day but its still only spring training</p><p>as long as he doesnt do that in the reg season</p><p>&nbsp;Burgos has just filthy stuff. But for some reason, it has not translated yet.. He is still young though.<br /> </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh.&nbsp; Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now.&nbsp; I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>and burgos got rocked the other day but its still only spring training</p><p>as long as he doesnt do that in the reg season</p><p>I think he's pitched 5 innings.&nbsp; 4 were scorless and then that bad one.&nbsp; He won't be closing games anyway.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh.&nbsp; Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now.&nbsp; I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>and burgos got rocked the other day but its still only spring training</p><p>as long as he doesnt do that in the reg season</p><p>I think he's pitched 5 innings.&nbsp; 4 were scorless and then that bad one.&nbsp; He won't be closing games anyway.</p><p>yeh&nbsp; even billy wags gives up gophers</p><p>but i better never see billy in a game where he doesnt have a save opp unless its a 10 run lead and he needs work </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Kevin</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh. Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now. I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>and burgos got rocked the other day but its still only spring training</p><p>as long as he doesnt do that in the reg season</p><p>&nbsp;Burgos has just filthy stuff. But for some reason, it has not translated yet.. He is still young though.</p><p>hopefully peterson can help turn him around </p>

[BeerBandit]

Another scoreless outing from Maine.&nbsp; And Pelfrey looked phenomenal yesterday.&nbsp; If El Duque can start the season, this kid is ready for the Majors.&nbsp;

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh. Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now. I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked.<p>Thats a pretty cavalier attitude about the guy who was your most reliable set up man last year.&nbsp; </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh. Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now. I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>Thats a pretty cavalier attitude about the guy who was your most reliable set up man last year.&nbsp; </p><p>Heilman was the setup man.&nbsp; I'm not saying that I don't want Sanchez back but he's coming off a big injury and still hasn't thrown off a mound so it's not like there is no doubt he will return to form.&nbsp; Plus, I think they have a lot of good arms in their bullpen as it is.&nbsp; And Mota is coming back after 50 games (I wish he wasn't because I hate cheaters)&nbsp;but you can only carry about 7 guys.&nbsp; You already have Wagner, Heilman, Feliciano, Schoeneweis, and Padillia.&nbsp; Then throw in&nbsp; Burgos and Smith then eventually Mota.&nbsp; Their bullpen will be fine.&nbsp; Sanchez is only hurting himself with this crap.&nbsp;</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Eh. Sanchez isn't even guaranteed a roster spot right now. I more interested on how good Joe Smith and Ambiorix Burgos have looked. <p>Thats a pretty cavalier attitude about the guy who was your most reliable set up man last year.&nbsp; </p><p>we definitely could have used him in the playoffs </p>

[Bossanova]

I know Im a little bummed that he is pulling this shit.&nbsp; We need his arm

[oh_kee_pa]

i wouldnt worry about it too much.... i trust willie w/ the team and peterson with the pitchers.... if Perez, Maine and Pelfrey make the team they are all + arms that could go 7 innings....ÿ

[Bossanova]

Maine never made it past the 7th last year

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<p>Heilman was the setup man. I'm not saying that I don't want Sanchez back but he's coming off a big injury and still hasn't thrown off a mound so it's not like there is no doubt he will return to form. Plus, I think they have a lot of good arms in their bullpen as it is. And Mota is coming back after 50 games (I wish he wasn't because I hate cheaters) but you can only carry about 7 guys. You already have Wagner, Heilman, Feliciano, Schoeneweis, and Padillia. Then throw in Burgos and Smith then eventually Mota. Their bullpen will be fine. Sanchez is only hurting himself with this crap. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Obviously I meant before the injury/car accident. I'm just saying that you need all the reliable arms you can get, since that bullpen is likely to get lots and lots of work this year. With Mota, he was good before he failed the drug test. It remains to be seen if he'll be as good clean. Burgos had a 5.50 ERA last year. But you're right, there's lots of quality in that Met bullpen. But you cant have enough good arms given the age/inexperience/inconsistency of your starters.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Maine never made it past the 7th last year <p>2 reasons</p><p>they didnt want to kill him</p><p>and we had an awesome bullpen</p><p>7th sanchez</p><p>8th heilman</p><p>9th wagner </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Maine never made it past the 7th last year <p>I remember him throwing a shutout so I know he did once.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Maine never made it past the 7th last year <p>I remember him throwing a shutout so I know he did once.</p><p>JULY 21 AGAINST HOUSTON</p><p>Date&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Opp&nbsp; <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/pi_glossary.shtml">DR</a> GmReslt Pitcher Result&nbsp; IP&nbsp;&nbsp; H&nbsp; R ER BB SO HR&nbsp;&nbsp; </p><p><font style="background-color: #fff655">&nbsp;</font><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYN/NYN200607210.shtml"><font style="background-color: #fff655">Jul 21</font></a><font style="background-color: #fff655">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font><a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2006.shtml"><font style="background-color: #fff655">HOU</font></a><font style="background-color: #fff655">&nbsp; 5 W&nbsp; 7-0&nbsp; SHO9&nbsp; ,W&nbsp; 1-3&nbsp;&nbsp; <span class="tooltip">9&nbsp; </span>&nbsp; 4&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 4&nbsp; 0 </font></p>

[Bossanova]

I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure.

[BeerBandit]

<p>Maine's got a great fastball.&nbsp; Not an overpowering, Billy Wagner fastball, but it's got a lot of movement on it.&nbsp; His problem, and why he gets into trouble sometimes, is that's all he throws.&nbsp; He says he's working on a few more pitches, but today he still threw fastball after fastball.&nbsp; He'll be a great #3.&nbsp; But this second season is the season when hitters figure him out.&nbsp; I would not be surprise if he's a first half pitcher this season. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure. <p>no i know what you meant</p><p>just throwing out there that we had a good bullpen</p><p>and no doubt willie will leave&nbsp;a guy&nbsp;in there if he pitching well and doesnt have a high pitch count</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure. <p>He also was a basically a rookie last year and only had 15 starts.&nbsp; In 8 of those he went 7 or more.&nbsp; He will be fine going longer this year.</p>

[Bossanova]

I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four.&nbsp; I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure. <p>He also was a basically a rookie last year and only had 15 starts.&nbsp; In 8 of those he went 7 or more.&nbsp; He will be fine going longer this year.</p><p>and to think we all got pissed at the kris benson deal</p><p>we turned benson into maine and el duque 2 vital cogs last season and most likely will be again if we have any hopes of going anywhere </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four.&nbsp; I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know.&nbsp; I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff.&nbsp; I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four.&nbsp; I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know.&nbsp; I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff.&nbsp; I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure. <p>He also was a basically a rookie last year and only had 15 starts.&nbsp; In 8 of those he went 7 or more.&nbsp; He will be fine going longer this year.</p><p>and to think we all got pissed at the kris benson deal</p><p>we turned benson into maine and el duque 2 vital cogs last season and most likely will be again if we have any hopes of going anywhere </p><p>And Benson is done for the season this year.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I didn't mean it literally.&nbsp; I know they had a great bullpen, but don't tell me that a manager would pull a started if he knew the guy could give his pen a rest.&nbsp; You may have an amazing bullpen, but a starter should go as far as he can endure. <p>He also was a basically a rookie last year and only had 15 starts.&nbsp; In 8 of those he went 7 or more.&nbsp; He will be fine going longer this year.</p><p>and to think we all got pissed at the kris benson deal</p><p>we turned benson into maine and el duque 2 vital cogs last season and most likely will be again if we have any hopes of going anywhere </p><p>And Benson is done for the season this year.</p><p>i swear sometimes the mets get fucked on deals but so far this one has worked out great </p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p>&nbsp;He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go.&nbsp; We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p>&nbsp;He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go.&nbsp; We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p><p>that would be scary if el duque cant go right away</p><p>i wouldnt mind seeing what pelfrey can do early in the season while we wait on duque and later on pedro</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p>&nbsp;He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go.&nbsp; We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p><p>Supposedly he felt fine after yesterday's start but I think we would see Park or Sele before Soler.&nbsp; Pelfrey keeps looking like he's ready.&nbsp; </p><p>So with Duque healthy the rotation would be Glavine, Duque, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey.</p><p>Unhealthy Duque = Glavine, Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, Park/Sele/Soler.</p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p> He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go. We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p><p>that would be scary if el duque cant go right away</p><p>i wouldnt mind seeing what pelfrey can do early in the season while we wait on duque and later on pedro</p><p>&nbsp;At this point, I'd much rather see Pelfrey the Perez.&nbsp; I hope Perez doesn't turn out to be a Zambrano type guy.&nbsp; Great stuff but just can't put it together. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p>He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go. We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p><p>that would be scary if el duque cant go right away</p><p>i wouldnt mind seeing what pelfrey can do early in the season while we wait on duque and later on pedro</p><p>&nbsp;At this point, I'd much rather see Pelfrey the Perez.&nbsp; I hope Perez doesn't turn out to be a Zambrano type guy.&nbsp; Great stuff but just can't put it together. </p><p>yeh but if perez doesnt work out all we gave up was nady</p><p>we gave up kazmir for zambrano and thats what burns us the most about the deal and zambrano not working out </p>

[Bossanova]

I really don't know why they don't try Pelfry out early in the season. The 58 year old number 2 isn't making me&nbsp; thrilled either.&nbsp; Our starting two are at least 80 years old combined.&nbsp; I know Omar is going to try to trade for a big time guy in July but come on.&nbsp; When Pedro come3s back our front 3 were all stars in '96.&nbsp; Not many if any ptcher can maintain that for 10 years

[BeerBandit]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I would be a lot more at ease if he was the number four. I don't know, Im just being a little picking about this staff tonight. <p>I know. I hope you don't think I'm trying to be a dick with the point-counterpoint stuff. I'm always a glass half-full guy in Spring Training.</p><p>he basically is #4</p><p>its just that pedro wont be around til after the all star break so he'll be #3 until then </p><p>He'll be #2 if El Duque can't go. We may see Alay Soler as the #5. </p><p>that would be scary if el duque cant go right away</p><p>i wouldnt mind seeing what pelfrey can do early in the season while we wait on duque and later on pedro</p><p> At this point, I'd much rather see Pelfrey the Perez. I hope Perez doesn't turn out to be a Zambrano type guy. Great stuff but just can't put it together. </p><p>yeh but if perez doesnt work out all we gave up was nady</p><p>we gave up kazmir for zambrano and thats what burns us the most about the deal and zambrano not working out </p><p>&nbsp;Don't get me wrong.&nbsp; I'm not really talking about the zambrano <strong>deal.&nbsp; </strong>I, unlike most Met callers to the FAN, have moved past that.&nbsp; In the grand scheme they gave up nothing for Perez, so there's really only upside.&nbsp; I'm just talking about the hype.&nbsp; I'm talking about this pitching element called <strong>stuff</strong>.&nbsp; I'm really getting sick of people saying a pitcher's got great stuff.&nbsp; Why doesn't the ability to put that <strong>stuff</strong> towards being a winning pitcher count as great stuff.&nbsp; Zambrano, Benson, Jeff Weaver.&nbsp; They don't have the psychological <strong>stuff </strong>to be good pitchers.&nbsp; I'm hoping Perez isn't one of them.&nbsp; As a 23(?) yr old lefty, this kid's got lots of potential. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<p>gotcha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>what about humber ?? any chance he gets a call up this year ???</p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>gotcha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>what about humber ?? any chance he gets a call up this year ???</p><p>&nbsp;I think given his lack of experience, he's probably below guys like Perez, Pelfrey, Soler, Park, and even Sele (although Sele's looked like shit).&nbsp; Plus he's gotten smacked around so far this spring.&nbsp; I don't think he'll be in Majors camp much longer.&nbsp; Which is a shame cuz he does have a wicked curve.&nbsp; But this rotation isn't exactly 98 Yankees.&nbsp; If things go as last year did (can you name every pitcher to start a game for the Mets last season?) I wouldn't be surprised if he made a spot start after the Break. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>gotcha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>what about humber ?? any chance he gets a call up this year ???</p><p>&nbsp;I think given his lack of experience, he's probably below guys like Perez, Pelfrey, Soler, Park, and even Sele (although Sele's looked like shit).&nbsp; Plus he's gotten smacked around so far this spring.&nbsp; I don't think he'll be in Majors camp much longer.&nbsp; Which is a shame cuz he does have a wicked curve.&nbsp; But this rotation isn't exactly 98 Yankees.&nbsp; If things go as last year did (can you name every pitcher to start a game for the Mets last season?) I wouldn't be surprised if he made a spot start after the Break. </p><p>glavine, pedro, traschel, maine, el duque, soler, bannister, perez, williams, pelfrey, zambrano, gonzalez,&nbsp;and lima </p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>gotcha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>what about humber ?? any chance he gets a call up this year ???</p><p> I think given his lack of experience, he's probably below guys like Perez, Pelfrey, Soler, Park, and even Sele (although Sele's looked like shit). Plus he's gotten smacked around so far this spring. I don't think he'll be in Majors camp much longer. Which is a shame cuz he does have a wicked curve. But this rotation isn't exactly 98 Yankees. If things go as last year did (can you name every pitcher to start a game for the Mets last season?) I wouldn't be surprised if he made a spot start after the Break. </p><p>glavine, pedro, traschel, maine, el duque, soler, bannister, perez, williams, pelfrey, zambrano, gonzalez, and lima </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;ooh! You're good.&nbsp; You're real good.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><p>gotcha</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>what about humber ?? any chance he gets a call up this year ???</p><p>I think given his lack of experience, he's probably below guys like Perez, Pelfrey, Soler, Park, and even Sele (although Sele's looked like shit). Plus he's gotten smacked around so far this spring. I don't think he'll be in Majors camp much longer. Which is a shame cuz he does have a wicked curve. But this rotation isn't exactly 98 Yankees. If things go as last year did (can you name every pitcher to start a game for the Mets last season?) I wouldn't be surprised if he made a spot start after the Break. </p><p>glavine, pedro, traschel, maine, el duque, soler, bannister, perez, williams, pelfrey, zambrano, gonzalez, and lima </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;ooh! You're good.&nbsp; You're real good.</p><p>just a passionate mets fan</p>

[BoondockSaint]

Apparently this isn't the first time Sanchez has <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2007/03/11/2007-03-11_time_for_mets_to_dump_troubled_reliever.html" target="_blank">fucked up.</a>

[Bossanova]

Doesn't sound like Park picthed well today.&nbsp; Anyone see or hear if&nbsp;it was&nbsp;as bad as it sounds.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Doesn't sound like Park picthed well today.&nbsp; Anyone see or hear if&nbsp;it was&nbsp;as bad as it sounds. <p><table border="0" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2" width="100%" class="bgBdr"><tbody><tr class="teamColorVisitor" align="center"><td align="left">PITCHER</td><td colspan="6">GAME</td><td>SEASON</td></tr><tr class="bgHdr3" align="center"><td align="left">&nbsp;</td><td>IP</td><td>H</td><td>R</td><td>ER</td><td>BB</td><td>K</td><td>ERA</td></tr><tr class="bgHigh" align="center"><td align="left"><a href="http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/player?statsId=5187">C Park</a></td><td>3.1</td><td>5</td><td>4</td><td>4</td><td>2</td><td>6</td><td>7.11</td></tr></tbody></table></p>

[BoondockSaint]

Mets cut Soler last night.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Mets cut Soler last night. <p>that was quick</p><p>i hope we didnt have too much invested in him </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />Mets cut Soler last night. <p>that was quick</p><p>i hope we didnt have too much invested in him </p><strong>Alay Soler</strong>, released by the Mets, will receive $101,639 - 30 days pay at his minor-league salary - as compensation

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by BoondockSaint on 3-14-07 @ 9:52 AM</span>

[BoondockSaint]

John Maine and Mike Pelfrey both had strong outings today.&nbsp; They both went four innings and both gave up a run.&nbsp; I don't see how Pelfrey doesn't start the year in the rotation.&nbsp;

[spadanko]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />John Maine and Mike Pelfrey both had strong outings today.&nbsp; They both went four innings and both gave up a run.&nbsp; I don't see how Pelfrey doesn't start the year in the rotation.&nbsp; <p>Pelfrey has to make the team as the #5... keep Park down in AAA, he'll be up eventually </p>

[Bossanova]

I would love to see Pelfry in the 5 spot

[cougarjake13]

<p>totally agree</p><p>i'd rather see what pelfrey has early and if need be bring park or sele if pelfrey doesnt perform well </p>

[RF Godfather]

<p>Hey Mets fans... I have a fantasy baseball league that was originally only for my Mets YG and some from SNY board but there weren't that many interested.</p><p>I currently have 7 of 10 teams, I'll make it 12 if we have more interest.</p><p>Here is the information, only Mets fans so that is why I posted it here... hope you join my league RFers...</p><p>...........&nbsp;</p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">League ID#:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>50412</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>NY Mets Diehard Society</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>mets</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Custom League URL:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/nymetsdiehardsociety</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Season Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>Full</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Live Draft</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Draft Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Sat Mar 24 9:00pm EDT</strong> [ <a href="http://calendar.yahoo.com/?v=60&amp;TITLE=Yahoo%21+Sports+Fantasy+Baseball+Live+ Draft&amp;TYPE=20&amp;URL=http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com&amp;ST=20070324T18000 0&amp;DUR=0300&amp;REM1=60m" target="sports" onclick="pop(this)">Add to My Calendar</a> ] </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>10</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Head-to-Head</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Player Universe:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>All baseball</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>No maximum</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>No maximum</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>2</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />John Maine and Mike Pelfrey both had strong outings today. They both went four innings and both gave up a run. I don't see how Pelfrey doesn't start the year in the rotation. <p>&nbsp;I like both guys BS but I was really rooting for Chan Ho Park to make it in the rotation. It's also a shame Humber hasn't done well since he seemed to be overthrowing this spring.</p><p>...</p><p>Who will be our long man since we have no Oliver? Sele?&nbsp;</p>

[RF Godfather]

I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors.

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors. <p>I'll sign up tomorrow.&nbsp; How could I not with that honest assesment of my skills.&nbsp; As far as cougar, you're WAAAAAAAYYYYYY off.</p><p>BTW, it was nice watching Perez strike out Papi and Manny back to back tonight.</p>

[BoondockSaint]

Make that twice that Perez has struck out Papi and Manny back to back.&nbsp; I have to keep telling myself it's only spring training but Perez is getting my hopes up for him.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors. <p>mookie's ground ball&nbsp;checking in </p><p>and its behind the bag, it gets by buckner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors. <p>I'll sign up tomorrow. How could I not with that honest assesment of my skills. As far as cougar, you're WAAAAAAAYYYYYY off.</p><p>BTW, it was nice watching Perez strike out Papi and Manny back to back tonight.</p><p>&nbsp;Perez was impressive and you are quit skilled in the fantasy baseball realm. I always love challenges.</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors. <p>mookie's ground ball checking in </p><p>and its behind the bag, it gets by buckner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p><p>&nbsp;Cool bro, thanks for joining.</p><p>Anyone going to go under the name of &quot;Nailz&quot; or &quot;Dr. K&quot; next?&nbsp;</p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />John Maine and Mike Pelfrey both had strong outings today. They both went four innings and both gave up a run. I don't see how Pelfrey doesn't start the year in the rotation. <p> I like both guys BS but I was really rooting for Chan Ho Park to make it in the rotation. It's also a shame Humber hasn't done well since he seemed to be overthrowing this spring.</p><p>...</p><p>Who will be our long man since we have no Oliver? Sele? </p><p>&nbsp;I'm pretty sure it's been determined that Dave Williams was going to be the long man.</p><p>I too was very impressed with Perez last night.&nbsp; I think Gary and Keith hit it on the head last night.&nbsp; Perez just seems more confident out there.&nbsp; He had some nasty stuff, and knew where every pitch was going. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>

[RF Godfather]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />John Maine and Mike Pelfrey both had strong outings today. They both went four innings and both gave up a run. I don't see how Pelfrey doesn't start the year in the rotation. <p> I like both guys BS but I was really rooting for Chan Ho Park to make it in the rotation. It's also a shame Humber hasn't done well since he seemed to be overthrowing this spring.</p><p>...</p><p>Who will be our long man since we have no Oliver? Sele? </p><p> I'm pretty sure it's been determined that Dave Williams was going to be the long man.</p><p>I too was very impressed with Perez last night. I think Gary and Keith hit it on the head last night. Perez just seems more confident out there. He had some nasty stuff, and knew where every pitch was going. </p><p>Dave Williams is injured.</p><p>I can't wait to get to see him back to his old form. Great news for our team! </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br />I'm really hoping that cougarjake, Boondocksaint are 2 that join my league. Both are great fantasy competitors. <p>mookie's ground ball checking in </p><p>and its behind the bag, it gets by buckner !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p><p>&nbsp;Cool bro, thanks for joining.</p><p>Anyone going to go under the name of &quot;Nailz&quot; or &quot;Dr. K&quot; next?&nbsp;</p><p>i was thinking of nailz before i went with mookie's ground ball </p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<p><span class="postbody"></span><a href="http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070318rogersinsidebase,1,5301926.column?coll=cs-whitesox-utility" title="Article">Article</a></p><p><strong>Whispers</strong><br /> <br /> Given the lofty expectations, there is major concern about closer <strong>Tom Gordon </strong>in Philadelphia. He and the team insist his arm is fine but something must have prompted him to fly from Florida to visit team doctor <strong>Michael Ciccotti. </strong>This is worth watching closely as the Phillies bullpen behind Gordon is thin. <strong>Brett Myers, </strong>most likely the Opening Day starter, has offered to move into the bullpen if <strong>Jon Lieber </strong>isn't traded and the Phillies might be forced to take him up on it if something is wrong with Gordon&nbsp;</p><p>Good news for Mets fans&nbsp;</p>

[BeerBandit]

<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><p> I like both guys BS but I was really rooting for Chan Ho Park to make it in the rotation. It's also a shame Humber hasn't done well since he seemed to be overthrowing this spring.</p><p>...</p><p>Who will be our long man since we have no Oliver? Sele? </p><p> I'm pretty sure it's been determined that Dave Williams was going to be the long man.</p><p>Dave Williams is injured.</p><p>I can't wait to get to see him back to his old form. Great news for our team! </p><p>&nbsp;Shit, I forgot about that.&nbsp; Back surgery, right?&nbsp; That shouldn't sideline him for the whole season though.&nbsp; Sele and Park pitched like shit yesterday, all but solidifying Pelfrey's as the#5.&nbsp; They may have to go with one of them in long relief until Williams is ready. </p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I like both guys BS but I was really rooting for Chan Ho Park to make it in the rotation. It's also a shame Humber hasn't done well since he seemed to be overthrowing this spring.</p><p>...</p><p>Who will be our long man since we have no Oliver? Sele? </p><p>I'm pretty sure it's been determined that Dave Williams was going to be the long man.</p><p>Dave Williams is injured.</p><p>I can't wait to get to see him back to his old form. Great news for our team! </p><p>&nbsp;Shit, I forgot about that.&nbsp; Back surgery, right?&nbsp; That shouldn't sideline him for the whole season though.&nbsp; Sele and Park pitched like shit yesterday, all but solidifying Pelfrey's as the#5.&nbsp; They may have to go with one of them in long relief until Williams is ready. </p><p>id rather have pelfrey as number 5 to start with anyway, lets see what he has and maybe use park or sele if pelfrey cant handle it </p>

[Bossanova]

<p>Read some articles, and Randolph is not pleased with Chan Ho Park's outings.&nbsp; Calling his location terrible, and another article stated how many don't expect him to last.&nbsp; </p><p>Sad side note:&nbsp; Wagner is joking that with three pitches he could be the no. 5 starter</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by Bossanova on 3-19-07 @ 10:59 PM</span>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sad side note:&nbsp; Wagner is joking that with three pitches he could be the no. 5 starter</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by Bossanova on 3-19-07 @ 10:59 PM</span> <p>Where?&nbsp; Show me that quote.&nbsp; </p>

[Bossanova]

<p>From the Mets website, under the link for the pitching has room for improvement.</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- His extended workday complete, Billy Wagner developed a sense of accomplishment from something as routine as an appearance in a simulated game on Monday. Nameless hitters with brief Minor League resumes had come and gone, failing against Wagner's expanded repertoire -- low 90s fastball, hard slider and his new pitch, the split-finger changeup. </p><p>A foreign thought occurred to the Mets closer as he ran in the outfield: &quot;Three innings, three pitches,&quot; he said to himself. Three and three might equal five, in Wagner's case. It was pure fantasy, and hardly one he fancied. </p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">&quot;It's not that far to five innings,&quot; he said aloud later at his locker. &quot;Now that I've got three pitches, I could be a starter. I could be our No. 5 starter.&quot;</font></p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>From the Mets website, under the link for the pitching has room for improvement.</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- His extended workday complete, Billy Wagner developed a sense of accomplishment from something as routine as an appearance in a simulated game on Monday. Nameless hitters with brief Minor League resumes had come and gone, failing against Wagner's expanded repertoire -- low 90s fastball, hard slider and his new pitch, the split-finger changeup. </p><p>A foreign thought occurred to the Mets closer as he ran in the outfield: &quot;Three innings, three pitches,&quot; he said to himself. Three and three might equal five, in Wagner's case. It was pure fantasy, and hardly one he fancied. </p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">&quot;It's not that far to five innings,&quot; he said aloud later at his locker. &quot;Now that I've got three pitches, I could be a starter. I could be our No. 5 starter.&quot;</font></p>He's an ass.&nbsp; He has a big mouth.&nbsp; Shut up and close big games.

[Bossanova]

No doubt.&nbsp; I'll settle if he could perfect 1 goddam pitch and get out of an inning.

[BoondockSaint]

<p>Wagner is obviously trying to be some kind of tough guy.&nbsp; Last year he was the one who stuck the &quot;Know you place rook&quot; sign in Milledge's locker (which was probably deserverd) but now it's well known that Pelfry is going to be the 5th starter and he says this?</p>

[K.C.]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>From the Mets website, under the link for the pitching has room for improvement.</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- His extended workday complete, Billy Wagner developed a sense of accomplishment from something as routine as an appearance in a simulated game on Monday. Nameless hitters with brief Minor League resumes had come and gone, failing against Wagner's expanded repertoire -- low 90s fastball, hard slider and his new pitch, the split-finger changeup. </p><p>A foreign thought occurred to the Mets closer as he ran in the outfield: &quot;Three innings, three pitches,&quot; he said to himself. Three and three might equal five, in Wagner's case. It was pure fantasy, and hardly one he fancied. </p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">&quot;It's not that far to five innings,&quot; he said aloud later at his locker. &quot;Now that I've got three pitches, I could be a starter. I could be our No. 5 starter.&quot;</font></p>He's an ass.&nbsp; He has a big mouth.&nbsp; Shut up and close big games.<p>Now you know why we love him so much in Philadelphia. </p><p>The funny thing is, for as much of a cocky ass he is, he's painfully overrated, especially in the clutch. </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>From the Mets website, under the link for the pitching has room for improvement.</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- His extended workday complete, Billy Wagner developed a sense of accomplishment from something as routine as an appearance in a simulated game on Monday. Nameless hitters with brief Minor League resumes had come and gone, failing against Wagner's expanded repertoire -- low 90s fastball, hard slider and his new pitch, the split-finger changeup. </p><p>A foreign thought occurred to the Mets closer as he ran in the outfield: &quot;Three innings, three pitches,&quot; he said to himself. Three and three might equal five, in Wagner's case. It was pure fantasy, and hardly one he fancied. </p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">&quot;It's not that far to five innings,&quot; he said aloud later at his locker. &quot;Now that I've got three pitches, I could be a starter. I could be our No. 5 starter.&quot;</font></p>He's an ass.&nbsp; He has a big mouth.&nbsp; Shut up and close big games.<p>Now you know why we love him so much in Philadelphia. </p><p>The funny thing is, for as much of a cocky ass he is, he's painfully overrated, especially in the clutch. </p><p>But he's still better then 90% of the closers out there so I'll take him.</p>

[K.C.]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br /><p>From the Mets website, under the link for the pitching has room for improvement.</p><p>PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- His extended workday complete, Billy Wagner developed a sense of accomplishment from something as routine as an appearance in a simulated game on Monday. Nameless hitters with brief Minor League resumes had come and gone, failing against Wagner's expanded repertoire -- low 90s fastball, hard slider and his new pitch, the split-finger changeup. </p><p>A foreign thought occurred to the Mets closer as he ran in the outfield: &quot;Three innings, three pitches,&quot; he said to himself. Three and three might equal five, in Wagner's case. It was pure fantasy, and hardly one he fancied. </p><p><font style="background-color: #ffff00">&quot;It's not that far to five innings,&quot; he said aloud later at his locker. &quot;Now that I've got three pitches, I could be a starter. I could be our No. 5 starter.&quot;</font></p>He's an ass.&nbsp; He has a big mouth.&nbsp; Shut up and close big games.<p>Now you know why we love him so much in Philadelphia. </p><p>The funny thing is, for as much of a cocky ass he is, he's painfully overrated, especially in the clutch. </p><p>But he's still better then 90% of the closers out there so I'll take him.</p><p>That's debatable. Wagner will give you great numbers over the course of the season. But the two years he was in Philadelphia, every time they needed a big meaningful save, he couldn't come through. It was the same&nbsp;in Houston, and it was the same last year for the Mets.</p><p>He's one of the top closers on paper, but at the same time, I wouldn't (and never did when we had him) feel overly comfortable about him shutting down meaningful games down the stretch.</p><p>If I'm a Mets fan, though, I like him anyway just because he's WAY better than their previous alternatives (Looper, Benitez), as was the reason most Phillies fans liked him, contrary to what he says now, when he was here, because of who he replaced (Jose Mesa, Jeff Brantley).</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by K.C. on 3-20-07 @ 4:38 PM</span>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>But even in a big spot I would take him over 90% of the other closers.&nbsp; It's not like the guys that stink are all of a sudden great in the clutch.</p>

[K.C.]

<p>True. </p><p>Off the top of my head, there's probably six guys I'd take over him, if I needed a game, which would place him at #7 in the league, which is still pretty good. </p><p>Francisco Rodriguez - Anahiem</p><p>Mariano Rivera - New York Yankees</p><p>Trevor Hoffman - San Diego Padres</p><p>Joe Nathan - Minnesota Twins</p><p>Bobby Jenks - Chicago White Sox</p><p>B.J. Ryan - Toronto Blue Jays</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.</p><p><font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You cant be serious. </p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p>

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p>&nbsp;<p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That makes one of you. And everyone who knows what they're talking about disagrees with you. &nbsp;</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p>&nbsp;<p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That makes one of you. And everyone who knows what they're talking about disagrees with you. &nbsp;</p><p>Like you<font color="#ffffff">, rube?</font></p>

[ralphbxny]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>Wow ....crazy talk!</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>ralphbxny</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>Wow ....crazy talk!</p><p>Is it really, <font color="#ffffff">rube #2?</font></p>

[Bossanova]

As a HUGE Met fan and even bigger Yankee hater.&nbsp; I would sign up for Mariano over Wagner evry goddam day of the week.

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p> <p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That makes one of you. And everyone who knows what they're talking about disagrees with you. </p><p>Like you<font color="#ffffff">, rube?</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sorry to be an ass, but I have trouble believing that you meant that. If you have stats to back that up, I'd love to see them. Be sure to include the post season. </p>

[K.C.]

<p>Yeah, it's crazy talk to say Wagner's better than Mariano. </p><p>Mariano is, <u>at worst,</u> still top three in baseball. </p><p>I'd take K-Rod over anyone, because I think he's hands down the best right now. </p><p>And then it's a toss up between Hoffman and Rivera...although you have to give the edge to Rivera because he's pitched in more important games. </p>

[Bossanova]

I honestly don't remember Wagner closing a big spot when needed, on any team.&nbsp; i was infuriated when the Mets signed him for 10 mil a year(I think).&nbsp; Of course I wanted him over Looper, but he is not worth that much.&nbsp; If mariano walk at the end of this year, I would drop Wagner in a second.

[Bulldogcakes]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I honestly don't remember Wagner closing a big spot when needed, on any team. i was infuriated when the Mets signed him for 10 mil a year(I think). Of course I wanted him over Looper, but he is not worth that much. If mariano walk at the end of this year, I would drop Wagner in a second.<p>&nbsp;</p><p>And Mariano's post season ERA is the lowest in baseball history. <br /> </p>

[Bossanova]

&nbsp; <strong>Bulldogcakes </strong>wrote: <strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I honestly don't remember Wagner closing a big spot when needed, on any team. i was infuriated when the Mets signed him for 10 mil a year(I think). Of course I wanted him over Looper, but he is not worth that much. If mariano walk at the end of this year, I would drop Wagner in a second. <p>&nbsp;</p><p>And Mariano's post season ERA is the lowest in baseball history. </p><p>This is why he is the greatest closer of all time, and you would be insane not to want him.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bulldogcakes</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>I'd take Wagner over Mariano.<font color="#ffffff" style="background-color: #ffffff">I just want to give Kevin a heart attack.</font></p><p>You cant be serious. </p><p>Absolutely<font color="#ffffff">, rube.</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>That makes one of you. And everyone who knows what they're talking about disagrees with you. </p><p>Like you<font color="#ffffff">, rube?</font></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Sorry to be an ass, but I have trouble believing that you meant that. If you have stats to back that up, I'd love to see them. Be sure to include the post season. </p><p>Wagner has a 0.42 era in the postseason.&nbsp; The best in history,<font color="#ffffff"> in little league, rube.&nbsp; And for all you other rubes, don't trip on the midway!&nbsp; HAHAAHAHA</font></p>

[K.C.]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote: <p>Wagner has a 0.42 era in the postseason.&nbsp; The best in history,<font color="#ffffff"> in little league, rube.&nbsp; And for all you other rubes, don't trip on the midway!&nbsp; HAHAAHAHA</font></p><p>Yeah....whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????</p><p>Either I'm looking at the wrong thing, or that is a horrendous statement.</p><p>&nbsp;From Baseball-Reference.com</p><p>&nbsp;Year Round Tm&nbsp; Opp WLser&nbsp; G GS&nbsp; ERA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; W-L&nbsp; SV CG SHO&nbsp; IP&nbsp;&nbsp; H&nbsp;&nbsp; ER&nbsp; BB&nbsp; SO<br />+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+<br /><span class="full" style="background-color: #fff655">1997 <a href="http://null/postseason/1997_NLDS2.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1997.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/1997.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 9.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2<br /></span><span class="full">1998 <a href="http://null/postseason/1998_NLDS2.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1998.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/SDP/1998.shtml">SDP</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 18.00&nbsp; 1-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<br /></span><span class="full">1999 <a href="http://null/postseason/1999_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1999.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/1999.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<br /></span><span class="full">2001 <a href="http://null/postseason/2001_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/2001.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/2001.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.40&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3<br /></span><span class="full">2006 <a href="http://null/postseason/2006_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/NYM/2006.shtml">NYM</a> <a href="http://null/teams/LAD/2006.shtml">LAD</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4<br /></span><span class="full">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://null/postseason/2006_NLCS.shtml">NLCS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/NYM/2006.shtml">NYM</a> <a href="http://null/teams/STL/2006.shtml">STL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 16.88&nbsp; 0-1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0<br /></span>+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+<br />&nbsp; 5 Lg Div Series&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-4&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.87&nbsp; 1-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 7.7&nbsp; 11&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 11<br />&nbsp; 6 Postseason Ser&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-5&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 8.71&nbsp; 1-1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 10.3&nbsp; 18&nbsp; 10&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 11<br />+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1-5 with a 8.71 ERA does not equal 0.41</p>

<span class=post_edited>This message was edited by K.C. on 3-20-07 @ 8:03 PM</span>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote: <p>Wagner has a 0.42 era in the postseason.&nbsp; The best in history,<font color="#ffffff"> in little league, rube.&nbsp; And for all you other rubes, don't trip on the midway!&nbsp; HAHAAHAHA</font></p><p>Yeah....whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?????</p><p>Either I'm looking at the wrong thing, or that is a horrendous statement.</p><p>&nbsp;From Baseball-Reference.com</p><p>&nbsp;Year Round Tm&nbsp; Opp WLser&nbsp; G GS&nbsp; ERA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; W-L&nbsp; SV CG SHO&nbsp; IP&nbsp;&nbsp; H&nbsp;&nbsp; ER&nbsp; BB&nbsp; SO<br />+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+<br /><span class="full" style="background-color: #fff655">1997 <a href="http://null/postseason/1997_NLDS2.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1997.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/1997.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 9.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2<br /></span><span class="full">1998 <a href="http://null/postseason/1998_NLDS2.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1998.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/SDP/1998.shtml">SDP</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 18.00&nbsp; 1-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<br /></span><span class="full">1999 <a href="http://null/postseason/1999_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/1999.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/1999.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1<br /></span><span class="full">2001 <a href="http://null/postseason/2001_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/HOU/2001.shtml">HOU</a> <a href="http://null/teams/ATL/2001.shtml">ATL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.40&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 1.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3<br /></span><span class="full">2006 <a href="http://null/postseason/2006_NLDS1.shtml">NLDS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/NYM/2006.shtml">NYM</a> <a href="http://null/teams/LAD/2006.shtml">LAD</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; W&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.00&nbsp; 0-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 4<br /></span><span class="full">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://null/postseason/2006_NLCS.shtml">NLCS</a>&nbsp; <a href="http://null/teams/NYM/2006.shtml">NYM</a> <a href="http://null/teams/STL/2006.shtml">STL</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; L&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 16.88&nbsp; 0-1&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2.7&nbsp;&nbsp; 7&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp;&nbsp; 0<br /></span>+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+<br />&nbsp; 5 Lg Div Series&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-4&nbsp;&nbsp; 8&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 5.87&nbsp; 1-0&nbsp;&nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 7.7&nbsp; 11&nbsp;&nbsp; 5&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 11<br />&nbsp; 6 Postseason Ser&nbsp;&nbsp; 1-5&nbsp; 11&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 8.71&nbsp; 1-1&nbsp;&nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0&nbsp;&nbsp; 0&nbsp; 10.3&nbsp; 18&nbsp; 10&nbsp;&nbsp; 1&nbsp; 11<br />+------------------+-----+--+--+------+-----+--+--+---+-----+---+---+---+---+</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>1-5 with a 8.71 ERA does not equal 0.41</p><span class="post_edited">This message was edited by K.C. on 3-20-07 @ 8:03 PM</span> <p>I said 0.42, <font color="#ffffff">in little league, rube.</font></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>True. </p><p>Off the top of my head, there's probably six guys I'd take over him, if I needed a game, which would place him at #7 in the league, which is still pretty good. </p><p>Francisco Rodriguez - Anahiem</p><p>Mariano Rivera - New York Yankees</p><p>Trevor Hoffman - San Diego Padres</p><p>Joe Nathan - Minnesota Twins</p><p>Bobby Jenks - Chicago White Sox</p><p>B.J. Ryan - Toronto Blue Jays</p><p>rivera and hoffmann yes i agree</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>but f rod, nathan, ryan and jenks ??? they havent proved nothing, theres been a ton of&nbsp;3 to 4 year&nbsp;dominant closers that are never heard of again</p><p>bobby thigpen anyone ??? mark davis ???</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>K.C.</strong> wrote:<br /><p>True. </p><p>Off the top of my head, there's probably six guys I'd take over him, if I needed a game, which would place him at #7 in the league, which is still pretty good. </p><p>Francisco Rodriguez - Anahiem</p><p>Mariano Rivera - New York Yankees</p><p>Trevor Hoffman - San Diego Padres</p><p>Joe Nathan - Minnesota Twins</p><p>Bobby Jenks - Chicago White Sox</p><p>B.J. Ryan - Toronto Blue Jays</p><p>rivera and hoffmann yes i agree</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>They aren't even good enough to set up for Wagner.&nbsp; <font color="#ffffff">Can I rope this rube in, too?</font></p>

[BoondockSaint]

<p>Ok, before I log off for the night I'll admit that I've been having a laugh on a few of you this evening.&nbsp; White text is funny sometimes.&nbsp; <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW, another strong outing by Pelfry tonight.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Ok, before I log off for the night I'll admit that I've been having a laugh on a few of you this evening.&nbsp; White text is funny sometimes.&nbsp; <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW, another strong outing by Pelfry tonight.</p><p>first of all I'm not a rube, i was born, raised, and lived in new york for the first 26 yrs of my life, only the last 3 have been spent down here in rubeville </p>

[Chip196]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Ok, before I log off for the night I'll admit that I've been having a laugh on a few of you this evening.&nbsp; White text is funny sometimes.&nbsp; <img src="/messageboard/tiny_mce/plugins/emotions/images/bye.gif" border="0" width="26" height="18" /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>BTW, another strong outing by Pelfry tonight.</p><p>nicely done ... I was reading through the thread to try and catch up and begin adding to the discussions, and I found myself thinking of all the things I could argue against your &quot;Wagner is God&quot; argument.&nbsp; I got to this last post and cracked up.&nbsp; I cannot wait for opening day!</p>

[RF Godfather]

[quote]<strong>RF Godfather</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Hey Mets fans... I have a fantasy baseball league that was originally only for my Mets YG and some from SNY board but there weren't that many interested.</p><p>I currently have 7 of 10 teams, I'll make it 12 if we have more interest.</p><p>Here is the information, only Mets fans so that is why I posted it here... hope you join my league RFers...</p><p>........... </p><table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">League ID#:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>50412</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">League Name:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>NY Mets Diehard Society</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Password:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>mets</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Custom League URL:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/nymetsdiehardsociety</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Season Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>Full</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Draft Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Live Draft</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Draft Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Sat Mar 24 9:00pm EDT</strong> [ <a href="http://calendar.yahoo.com/?v=60&amp;TITLE=Yahoo%21+Sports+Fantasy+Baseball+Live+ Draft&amp;TYPE=20&amp;URL=http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com&amp;ST=20070324T18000 0&amp;DUR=0300&amp;REM1=60m" target="sports" onclick="pop(this)">Add to My Calendar</a> ] </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Teams:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"><strong>10</strong></td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Scoring Type:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>Head-to-Head</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Player Universe:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>All baseball</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Moves:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>No maximum</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Max Trades:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="top"> <strong>No maximum</strong> </td> </tr> <tr height="3"><td colspan="2">&nbsp;</td></tr> <tr> <td class="typeStandard" width="120" align="left" valign="top">Trade Reject Time:</td> <td class="typeStandard" width="410" align="left" valign="

[BeerBandit]

<p>Finally, an answer to the Mets 5th starter void.</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2806884">Paul Wilson released by Reds.</a></p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BeerBandit</strong> wrote:<br /><p>Finally, an answer to the Mets 5th starter void.</p><p><a href="http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2806884">Paul Wilson released by Reds.</a></p><p>fuck no</p><p>it didnt work the first time </p>

[BoondockSaint]

Wagner had a good outing today.&nbsp; And by good I mean one inning, four hits and five earned runs.&nbsp; Sanchez was good throwing off a mound today.&nbsp; And by good I mean he had to stop after 11 pitches because he felt something pop in his shoulder.&nbsp; They think it was just scar tissue.

[Bossanova]

I think I am already sick of this fucking pitching staff. I miss Trachsel.&nbsp; Not really

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I think I am already sick of this fucking pitching staff. I miss Trachsel.&nbsp; Not really <p>I'm actually pretty excited to see what Maine, Perez and Pelfry do.</p>

[oh_kee_pa]

the pitching will be ok, in the end, maybe not now, but i wouldnt be so worried about it..... their lineup is too good to not win 90-93 games, which is going to be enough to win the division

[LOAF]

I have to say as a phillies fan, I am lookin forward to hopefully rekindling the NL east rivalry!! Should be a hell of a battle between us this year.

[Bossanova]

Winning the division isnt my worry.&nbsp; The playoffs is the problem.&nbsp; I worry about the playoffs.&nbsp; If the hitting struggles(which it has and will), you need pitching to keep a tight lead.&nbsp; Boondock, I can't wait to see Pelfry.&nbsp;

[cougarjake13]

<strong>LOAF</strong> wrote:<br />I have to say as a phillies fan, I am lookin forward to hopefully rekindling the NL east rivalry!! Should be a hell of a battle between us this year. <p>i hope so b/c i dont expect much out of the marlins or nationals, the braves could go either way but it depends on their pitching staff after smoltz and how good the rookie replacements do </p>

[spadanko]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />I think I am already sick of this fucking pitching staff. I miss Trachsel.&nbsp; Not really <p>I'm actually pretty excited to see what Maine, Perez and Pelfry do.</p><p>i'm going to tell ya now, those &quot;throw-ins&quot; pf Maine and Ollie perez are going to make a major difference on this team for a while. If Ollie can get his head on straight.. watch out</p>

[RF Godfather]

Need 1 more team in the all Met fans league... who wants it?

[Chip196]

<strong>Bossanova</strong> wrote:<br />Winning the division isnt my worry.&nbsp; The playoffs is the problem.&nbsp; I worry about the playoffs.&nbsp; If the hitting struggles(which it has and will), you need pitching to keep a tight lead.&nbsp; Boondock, I can't wait to see Pelfry.&nbsp; <p>I think the situation is pretty good actually ... there's some veteran leadership to teach these kids.&nbsp; And with that lineup, the kids shouldn't be under too much pressure and can hopefully build confidence throughout the season.&nbsp; Maybe I am being overly optomistic, but I am as hopeful as I have ever been going in to a season.</p>

[BoondockSaint]

I also can't wait to see what Reyes does this year.&nbsp; He was great last year but it looks like he's going to have an even better year this year.&nbsp; Scary.

[Chip196]

I agree on Reyes.&nbsp; He's added a little size.&nbsp; I think we'll see a little more pop and continued growth in the patience department.&nbsp; Could be a great season for him.

[BeerBandit]

Let's remember the dearth of quality pitching in the NL to begin with.&nbsp; Ya got Carpenter, Zito, maybe Webb, Willis, Peavy, Sheets, and Glavine.&nbsp; Past that a bunch of young barely proven guys.&nbsp; I'm more than happy with the Mets staff.&nbsp; It's the injuries in the bullpen that worry me a bit.

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />I also can't wait to see what Reyes does this year.&nbsp; He was great last year but it looks like he's going to have an even better year this year.&nbsp; Scary. <p>just as long as he doesnt start thinking he's willie mays hayes in major league 2</p>

[BoondockSaint]

<strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />I also can't wait to see what Reyes does this year.&nbsp; He was great last year but it looks like he's going to have an even better year this year.&nbsp; Scary. <p>just as long as he doesnt start thinking he's willie mays hayes in major league 2</p><p>He won't.</p><p>Strong outing by Duque today.&nbsp; 6 innings 1 unearned run.</p>

[cougarjake13]

<strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>cougarjake13</strong> wrote:<br /><strong>BoondockSaint</strong> wrote:<br />I also can't wait to see what Reyes does this year.&nbsp; He was great last year but it looks like he's going to have an even better year this year.&nbsp; Scary. <p>just as long as he doesnt start thinking he's willie mays hayes in major league 2</p><p>He won't.</p><p>Strong outing by Duque today.&nbsp; 6 innings 1 unearned run.</p><p>good now shut him down until the season starts </p>