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foodcourtdruide

06-25-2009, 12:38 PM

This kind of reminds me of how Jay and Silent Bob went around and beat up everyonet hat talked smack about them on the internet in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

epo

08-09-2009, 05:59 AM

Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php)

In a new posting on her Facebook account, former Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) made a dire statement about health care reform -- that it could result in an Obama-created "death panel" killing her infant son with Down Syndrome:

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil."

A death panel? This woman is LITERALLY bat shit insane.

Gvac

08-09-2009, 06:03 AM

Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php)

A death panel? This woman is LITERALLY bat shit insane.

Insane or a beacon of reason and light?

Don't be blinded by Obamacare.

It's a farce.

IMSlacker

08-09-2009, 06:08 AM

A Death Panel seems like an excellent idea.

Dan 'Hampton

08-09-2009, 06:53 AM

Heaven forbid there is debate in this country.

And no, i don't agree with her, or Obama for that matter.

HBox

08-09-2009, 06:57 AM

Heaven forbid there is debate in this country.

And no, i don't agree with her, or Obama for that matter.

It's more the outright lies, which in the case of Sarah Palin seem to come out of her mouth 90% of the time she talks about anything.

epo

08-09-2009, 06:58 AM

Heaven forbid there is debate in this country.

And no, i don't agree with her, or Obama for that matter.

A debate would be fabulous. This type of stupid hyperbole hurts our national discourse.

foodcourtdruide

08-09-2009, 07:05 AM

This is why sometimes I think Jezo is not a gimmick. There is a group of people that believe this insanity.

HBox

08-09-2009, 07:14 AM

This is why sometimes I think Jezo is not a gimmick. There is a group of people that believe this insanity.

Of course they are real. Have you seen some of the videos of these town halls. Some guy rolled up his son with Down's Syndrome right in front of John Dingell and told him that the health care plan would not let anyone pay for care for his son. As Dingell tried to explain that that wasn't the case he started screaming again. It was disgusting. Another time some lady tried screaming at another congressman that she didn't want her tax dollars used to fund abortion. As the congressman tried to explain that a law passed way back in 1976 does not allow any federal funds to go to directly fund an abortion the woman continued to scream. And then there is of course all the violence.

It's a very small minority of incredibly ignorant and emotional people going to these meetings with the express intent to stop debate and discussion by screaming and making a scene, and Sarah Palin is one of those people. They have no idea what they are talking about. These are the same people who were at all those ugly McCain/Palin rallies. They are not interested in anything but stopping Obama. We just gotta hope we get through this month without these maniacs seriously hurting someone, or worse.

A.J.

08-09-2009, 07:14 AM

epo

08-09-2009, 07:19 AM

I SOOOOOOO want to be on the death panel. I have a list already!

Save the baby, off the mom.

~Katja~

08-09-2009, 07:48 AM

Save the baby, off the mom.
at least tie her tubes... she should not be reproducing

Furtherman

08-09-2009, 12:37 PM

Insane or a beacon of reason and light?

Insane.

foodcourtdruide

08-09-2009, 12:39 PM

Insane.

I'm going to vote insane too. Nothing less.

HBox

08-10-2009, 02:21 PM

Palin: Obama's "Death Panel" Could Kill My Down Syndrome Baby (http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/palin-obamas-death-panel-could-kill-my-down-syndrome-baby.php)

A death panel? This woman is LITERALLY bat shit insane.

Pfft. That kind of thinking is SOOOOOO yesterday.

Today Palin says we should have a "civil" discussion of health care. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32362219/ns/politics-more_politics/)

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is calling for civil discourse on President Barack Obama's health care proposal. Her latest posting on Facebook came just days after she characterized Obama's plan as "downright evil."

Palin now says there are many disturbing details in the bill. But she says people must stick to discussion of the issues "and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment."

I'm beginning to think that even McCain's heroic Vietnam service is not enough to make up for raising this cunt to the national level.

booster11373

08-10-2009, 02:27 PM

Pfft. That kind of thinking is SOOOOOO yesterday.

Today Palin says we should have a "civil" discussion of health care. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32362219/ns/politics-more_politics/)

I'm beginning to think that even McCain's heroic Vietnam service is not enough to make up for raising this cunt to the national level.

I love her and cant wait to see her destroyed in the R primaries or destroy the R party in the general election

Jujubees2

08-10-2009, 02:48 PM

I love her and cant wait to see her destroyed in the R primaries or destroy the R party in the general election

I was thinking the same thing. When she was nominated for VP all the Republicans loved her. It will be interesting to see how they attack her during the primaries.

Gvac

08-10-2009, 02:51 PM

Hurry up and order!

Supplies are running low!

http://rlv.zazzle.com/i_love_sarah_palin_t_shirts-p2357658918657478570n_325.jpg

foodcourtdruide

08-10-2009, 02:54 PM

Hurry up and order!

Supplies are running low!

http://rlv.zazzle.com/i_love_sarah_palin_t_shirts-p2357658918657478570n_325.jpg

Lol love the new gvac board character.

Gvac

08-10-2009, 02:56 PM

http://rlv.zcache.com/sarah_palin_for_president_2012_button-p145123739206345189qd2b_400.jpg

Gvac

08-10-2009, 02:58 PM

http://rlv.zcache.com/dontblameme_bumpersticker-p12849511292994967983h9_325.jpg

~Katja~

08-10-2009, 03:01 PM

http://rlv.zcache.com/dontblameme_bumpersticker-p12849511292994967983h9_325.jpg

that's more embarrassing than the wow sticker on my car

CurseoftheBambi

08-10-2009, 03:45 PM

i joined her facebook page today and right off the bat i asked her...what was the job of the vice president...you know im gonna go for more hard ball stuff later LOL...

Stankfoot

10-07-2009, 09:55 PM

You can't make this stuff up ...

"Father of Palin's grandson to pose for Playgirl"

ANCHORAGE, Alaska – Levi Johnston is going for the ultimate exposure — the 19-year-old father of Sarah Palin's grandchild will pose nude for Playgirl, his attorney said Wednesday.

link to story (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091008/ap_on_en_ot/us_levi_johnston_playgirl;_ylt=Au5pjIiHf08ahBfZwO0 egaes0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNicHJoNHRoBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDk xMDA4L3VzX2xldmlfam9obnN0b25fcGxheWdpcmwEY3BvcwM5B HBvcwM2BHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGl zdARzbGsDZmF0aGVyb2ZwYWxp)

Jujubees2

10-08-2009, 04:58 AM

How about Levi's nuts commercial?

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ggB6SsB4DgM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ggB6SsB4DgM&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

topless_mike

10-08-2009, 05:04 AM

maybe he's packin.
he kind of reminds me of that jesse metcalf guy, so why not go for it ?

KnoxHarrington

10-08-2009, 06:29 AM

Think he knows that a sizable portion of the readership of Playgirl is gay gentlemen?

topless_mike

10-08-2009, 06:32 AM

Think he knows that a sizable portion of the readership of Playgirl is gay gentlemen?

i'd say maybe he's coming out, but he busted nut all up in some vag, so there goes that.

KnoxHarrington

10-08-2009, 07:07 AM

Furtherman

10-08-2009, 07:13 AM

Think he knows that a sizable portion of the readership of Playgirl is gay gentlemen?

Knows? Have you ever seen him interviewed? He doesn't know much.

epo

10-08-2009, 07:29 AM

topless_mike

10-08-2009, 07:52 AM

I do feel bad about this Levi Johnston kid.

He's clearly a dumb-as-mud kid from Alaska who got thrown into the Palin/politics circus and obviously didn't know how to deal with it. Now he's clearly taken the bait of pseudo/C-list celebrity and seems to have some shitty/scumbag publicity people using him.

Let's just hope he survives this ride with his sanity.

i have to agree with you. some scumbag pr crew probably scooped him up as soon as they broke up promising him $$$. he fell sucker to it, and now will have his entire life aired out before him. once they are done milking him, he'll fall into obscurity like the rest of them.

CurseoftheBambi

10-14-2009, 07:20 AM

http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/zz333/Extemporanus/Grrrr.jpg

keithy_19

10-14-2009, 12:06 PM

I do feel bad about this Levi Johnston kid.

He's clearly a dumb-as-mud kid from Alaska who got thrown into the Palin/politics circus and obviously didn't know how to deal with it. Now he's clearly taken the bait of pseudo/C-list celebrity and seems to have some shitty/scumbag publicity people using him.

Let's just hope he survives this ride with his sanity.

Or he could simply not take the bait. If he gets used it's of his own doing. No sympathy for him.

JimBeam

10-25-2009, 01:53 PM

Sorry nothing at all to do with the actual topic of this thread but I have a question about the movie and didn't see a thread for it so this was the closest match.

My wife and I just watched the movie and we disagree on whether or not Justin Bateman was coming on to Juno and that's why he was leaving his wife.

I don't think so.

I think even from when they 1st showed him that he really wasn't into the baby or even married life thing.

I think he felt smothered and wanted to relive his youth which Juno's offbeat character awakened in him.

There's one line he says when he tells Juno he's leaving his wife which is questionable. He said something along the lines of " Then why do you keep coming here ? "

What do you think ?

keithy_19

10-25-2009, 02:06 PM

EliSnow

10-28-2009, 06:53 AM

badmonkey

10-28-2009, 09:47 AM

No big suprise, but latest poll shows that 70% surveyed don't think Palin is qualified to be President. (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/28/cnn-poll-7-in-10-say-palin-not-qualified-to-be-president/)

She ran for VP. The election was almost a year ago. She didn't win. What's the point of a poll today when she can't even run for a Presidential election until 2012? CNN really isn't even trying to be relevant anymore.

EliSnow

10-28-2009, 09:51 AM

She ran for VP. The election was almost a year ago. She didn't win. What's the point of a poll today when she can't even run for a Presidential election until 2012? CNN really isn't even trying to be relevant anymore.

If she brings a Presidential election, the run would begin before the election year. Officially it would probaly occur in 2011, but the way things have been going, even next year would see some bigger developments.

These polls are conducted by more than just CNN and I think they can help the Rep. party start early planning for not only the 2012 presidential elections, but also congressional elections next year.

badmonkey

10-28-2009, 10:00 AM

If she brings a Presidential election, the run would begin before the election year. Officially it would probaly occur in 2011, but the way things have been going, even next year would see some bigger developments.

These polls are conducted by more than just CNN and I think they can help the Rep. party start early planning for not only the 2012 presidential elections, but also congressional elections next year.

Seventy-one percent of those questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Wednesday morning believe the former Alaska governor and 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee is not qualified to be president, with 29 percent saying she does have the credentials to serve in the White House. Republicans appear split, with 52 percent saying she's qualified and 47 percent disagreeing with that view.

CNN paid for this one and it's completely irrelevant to anything going on today other than trying to pile on with another kick at Palin. I'm looking forward to the results of their next polls about whether JFK should be re-elected at the end of his term and if Americans think we will beat the Russians to landing on the moon or will the govt stage a fake landing on a sound stage.

EliSnow

10-28-2009, 10:06 AM

CNN paid for this one and it's completely irrelevant to anything going on today other than trying to pile on with another kick at Palin. I'm looking forward to the results of their next polls about whether JFK should be re-elected at the end of his term and if Americans think we will beat the Russians to landing on the moon or will the govt stage a fake landing on a sound stage.

First, I wasn't saying that this poll wasn't done by CNN. My point was that CNN isn't the only outlet doing this.

Second, your analogies are off.

I can understand saying that the poll is too soon for the 2012 run, but it's still relevant to that election. If they were talking about McCain in this poll, you'd be right.

But given that Palin has been positioned as a potential candidate for the 2012 election, the survey isn't looking backwards.

badmonkey

10-28-2009, 10:21 AM

EliSnow

10-28-2009, 10:37 AM

It's still irrelevant in the context of what's actually happening in the country/world today. Nobody is having the conversation today about whether Sarah Palin is qualified for anything at all because she's not currently holding or running for a public office.

I disagree that no one is having that conversation. There is speculation about whether she will run or not, and it's based upon the fact that in her own way, she's putting her viewpoints on the issues out there.

Also, there is constant discussion about the leadership of the republican party, and she is mentioned.

Maybe because it is so far in the future the amount of relevance it's diminished, but there is a relevance, and it's not tied to the previous election.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-15-2009, 06:58 AM

While Going Rogue will be a best seller, However her next book might ell even more. That will be written for supermodels and fashion savvy women. Going Vogue

foodcourtdruide

11-15-2009, 07:16 AM

While Going Rogue will be a best seller, However her next book might ell even more. That will be written for supermodels and fashion savvy women. Going Vogue

I heard her next book was going to be about being too drunk to sing overrated Irish rock, called Going Pogue

HBox

11-15-2009, 07:19 AM

I heard heard her next book was about going to see a bunch of football games, Going Loge.

K.C.

11-15-2009, 07:21 AM

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51eRHQ5cw4L._SS500_.jpg

Prepare to be inspired!

K.C.

11-15-2009, 07:22 AM

For the record, they could have gotten me to pre-order this book if they had packaged it with a DVD copy of 'Nailin' Paylin.'

HBox

11-15-2009, 07:31 AM

BTW, when she actually writes stuff herself this is what it is like:

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/118791/original.jpg

Yes, that is real. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/mccain-campaign-emails-co_n_358124.html)

WRESTLINGFAN

11-15-2009, 07:38 AM

For the record, they could have gotten me to pre-order this book if they had packaged it with a DVD copy of 'Nailin' Paylin.'

Word is that you will receive a free screwdriver and ratchet set when you buy the home improvement series Nailin with Palin

TheMojoPin

11-15-2009, 08:21 AM

I heard heard her next book was about going to see a bunch of football games, Going Loge.

Her book about banging C-list celebrities is going to be called Doing Logue.

WRESTLINGFAN

11-15-2009, 08:29 AM

Look for the nature series which features hiking. Trailin with Palin

foodcourtdruide

11-15-2009, 08:34 AM

opie's twisted balls

11-15-2009, 10:16 AM

McCain must be kicking himself for throwing her into the spotlight.
If I had the opportunity I'd likely vote Republican since bulk of my ideologies lie within their platform but Palin is a fucking disaster. The whole soccer mom act was cute for a couple of weeks and then imploded into showing her complete ineptitude for any serious office.

As for McCain being the one who "threw her in", I can't say I'd agree. Wasn't it the RNC leadership that basically forced her on McCain?

IMO the GOP knew that no matter what they did in 2008 they were going to lose so why put forward their strongest ticket. Let the Democrats have Obama for one term, he'll fuck up royally and then in 2012 it will be back to a Republican in the White House.

Syd

11-15-2009, 10:19 AM

WASHINGTON – Sarah Palin's new book reprises familiar claims from the 2008 presidential campaign that haven't become any truer over time.

Ignoring substantial parts of her record if not the facts, she depicts herself as a frugal traveler on the taxpayer's dime, a reformer without ties to powerful interests and a politician roguishly indifferent to high ambition.

Palin goes adrift, at times, on more contemporary issues, too. She criticizes President Barack Obama for pushing through a bailout package that actually was achieved by his Republican predecessor George W. Bush — a package she seemed to support at the time.

A look at some of her statements in "Going Rogue," obtained by The Associated Press in advance of its release Tuesday:

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PALIN: Says she made frugality a point when traveling on state business as Alaska governor, asking "only" for reasonably priced rooms and not "often" going for the "high-end, robe-and-slippers" hotels.

THE FACTS: Although travel records indicate she usually opted for less-pricey hotels while governor, Palin and daughter Bristol stayed five days and four nights at the $707.29-per-night Essex House luxury hotel (robes and slippers come standard) overlooking New York City's Central Park for a five-hour women's leadership conference in October 2007. With air fare, the cost to Alaska was well over $3,000. Event organizers said Palin asked if she could bring her daughter. The governor billed her state more than $20,000 for her children's travel, including to events where they had not been invited, and in some cases later amended expense reports to specify that they had been on official business.

___

PALIN: Boasts that she ran her campaign for governor on small donations, mostly from first-time givers, and turned back large checks from big donors if her campaign perceived a conflict of interest.

THE FACTS: Of the roughly $1.3 million she raised for her primary and general election campaigns for governor, more than half came from people and political action committees giving at least $500, according to an AP analysis of her campaign finance reports. The maximum that individual donors could give was $1,000; $2,000 for a PAC.

Of the rest, about $76,000 came from Republican Party committees.

She accepted $1,000 each from a state senator and his wife in the weeks after the two Republican lawmakers' offices were raided by the FBI as part of an investigation into a powerful Alaska oilfield services company. After AP reported those donations during the presidential campaign, she said she would give a comparative sum to charity after the general election in 2010, a date set by state election laws.

PALIN: Rails against taxpayer-financed bailouts, which she attributes to Obama. She recounts telling daughter Bristol that to succeed in business, "you'll have to be brave enough to fail."

THE FACTS: Palin is blurring the lines between Obama's stimulus plan — a $787 billion package of tax cuts, state aid, social programs and government contracts — and the federal bailout that Republican presidential candidate John McCain voted for and President George W. Bush signed.

Palin's views on bailouts appeared to evolve as McCain's vice presidential running mate. In September 2008, she said "taxpayers cannot be looked to as the bailout, as the solution, to the problems on Wall Street." A week later, she said "ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy."

During the vice presidential debate in October, Palin praised McCain for being "instrumental in bringing folks together" to pass the $700 billion bailout. After that, she said "it is a time of crisis and government did have to step in."

___

PALIN: Says Ronald Reagan faced an even worse recession than the one that appears to be ending now, and "showed us how to get out of one. If you want real job growth, cut capital gains taxes and slay the death tax once and for all."

THE FACTS: The estate tax, which some call the death tax, was not repealed under Reagan and capital gains taxes are lower now than when Reagan was president.

Economists overwhelmingly say the current recession is far worse. The recession Reagan faced lasted for 16 months; this one is in its 23rd month. The recession of the early 1980s did not have a financial meltdown. Unemployment peaked at 10.8 percent, worse than the October 2009 high of 10.2 percent, but the jobless rate is still expected to climb.

___

PALIN: She says her team overseeing the development of a natural gas pipeline set up an open, competitive bidding process that allowed any company to compete for the right to build a 1,715-mile pipeline to bring natural gas from Alaska to the Lower 48.

THE FACTS: Palin characterized the pipeline deal the same way before an AP investigation found her team crafted terms that favored only a few independent pipeline companies and ultimately benefited a company with ties to her administration, TransCanada Corp. Despite promises and legal guidance not to talk directly with potential bidders during the process, Palin had meetings or phone calls with nearly every major candidate, including TransCanada.

___

PALIN: Criticizes an aide to her predecessor, Gov. Frank Murkowski, for a conflict of interest because the aide represented the state in negotiations over a gas pipeline and then left to work as a handsomely paid lobbyist for ExxonMobil. Palin asserts her administration ended all such arrangements, shoving a wedge in the revolving door between special interests and the state capital.

THE FACTS: Palin ignores her own "revolving door" issue in office; the leader of her own pipeline team was a former lobbyist for a subsidiary of TransCanada, the company that ended up winning the rights to build the pipeline.

___

PALIN: Writes about a city councilman in Wasilla, Alaska, who owned a garbage truck company and tried to push through an ordinance requiring residents of new subdivisions to pay for trash removal instead of taking it to the dump for free — this to illustrate conflicts of interest she stood against as a public servant.

THE FACTS: As Wasilla mayor, Palin pressed for a special zoning exception so she could sell her family's $327,000 house, then did not keep a promise to remove a potential fire hazard on the property.

She asked the city council to loosen rules for snow machine races when she and her husband owned a snow machine store, and cast a tie-breaking vote to exempt taxes on aircraft when her father-in-law owned one. But she stepped away from the table in 1997 when the council considered a grant for the Iron Dog snow machine race in which her husband competes.

___

PALIN: Says Obama has admitted that the climate change policy he seeks will cause people's electricity bills to "skyrocket."

THE FACTS: She correctly quotes a comment attributed to Obama in January 2008, when he told San Francisco Chronicle editors that under his cap-and-trade climate proposal, "electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket" as utilities are forced to retrofit coal burning power plants to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

Obama has argued since then that climate legislation can blunt the cost to consumers. Democratic legislation now before Congress calls for a variety of measures aimed at mitigating consumer costs. Several studies predict average household costs probably would be $100 to $145 a year.

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PALIN: Welcomes last year's Supreme Court decision deciding punitive damages for victims of the nation's largest oil spill tragedy, the Exxon Valdez disaster, stating it had taken 20 years to achieve victory. As governor, she says, she'd had the state argue in favor of the victims, and she says the court's ruling went "in favor of the people." Finally, she writes, Alaskans could recover some of their losses.

THE FACTS: That response is at odds with her reaction at the time to the ruling, which resolved the long-running case by reducing punitive damages for victims to $500 million from $2.5 billion. Environmentalists and plaintiffs' lawyers decried the ruling as a slap at the victims and Palin herself said she was "extremely disappointed." She said the justices had gutted a jury decision favoring higher damage awards, the Anchorage Daily News reported. "It's tragic that so many Alaska fishermen and their families have had their lives put on hold waiting for this decision," she said, noting many had died "while waiting for justice."

___

PALIN: Describing her resistance to federal stimulus money, Palin describes Alaska as a practical, libertarian haven of independent Americans who don't want "help" from government busybodies.

THE FACTS: Alaska is also one of the states most dependent on federal subsidies, receiving much more assistance from Washington than it pays in federal taxes. A study for the nonpartisan Tax Foundation found that in 2005, the state received $1.84 for every dollar it sent to Washington.

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PALIN: Says she tried to talk about national security and energy independence in her interview with Vogue magazine but the interviewer wanted her to pivot from hydropower to high fashion.

THE FACTS are somewhat in dispute. Vogue contributing editor Rebecca Johnson said Palin did not go on about hydropower. "She just kept talking about drilling for oil."

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PALIN: "Was it ambition? I didn't think so. Ambition drives; purpose beckons." Throughout the book, Palin cites altruistic reasons for running for office, and for leaving early as Alaska governor.

THE FACTS: Few politicians own up to wanting high office for the power and prestige of it, and in this respect, Palin fits the conventional mold. But "Going Rogue" has all the characteristics of a pre-campaign manifesto, the requisite autobiography of the future candidate.

chock full of facts, it is

boosterp

11-16-2009, 09:02 AM

Yes, but would you still fuck her?

EliSnow

11-17-2009, 07:01 AM

I really dislike Palin, but what really burns me up, is her way of labeling her supporters "Patriots," as if support of Palin is equivalent of support of America, which ties quickly to the inverse that if you do not support Palin, you must not support America.

The latest example is from Facebook:

Really? Still Making Things Up?
Sun at 2:43am
The book tour starts this week, and I look forward to it! I'm most looking forward to meeting many of you, shaking your hands, and telling you,"Thanks for loving America." I'll give you a scoop here and tell you what's on the book's Dedication Page – it's dedicated to you – Patriots – who love the U.S.A. as much as I do.

Amazingly, but not surprisingly, the AP somehow nabbed a copy of the book before it was released. They're now erroneously reporting on the book's contents and are repeating many of the same things they spewed during the campaign and afterwards. We've heard 11 writers are engaged in this opposition research, er, "fact checking" research! Imagine that – 11 AP reporters dedicating time and resources to tearing up the book, instead of using the time and resources to "fact check" what's going on with Sheik Mohammed's trial, Pelosi's health care takeover costs, Hasan's associations, etc. Amazing.

We'll keep setting the record straight, and we'll keep reminding some in the media that Americans are very tired of their non-objective reporting. A great, recent post that accomplishes this is a Conservatives4Palin post. It's got some nice fact checking included. As always, they did a great job holding some of the media accountable for spreading more misinformation and for making things up. You can read it here. Enjoy!

And I can't wait to see you! God bless the fight for freedom! Keep up the great work, Patriots who love this country.

- Sarah Palin

Guess what, people are "patriots" on both sides.

KatPw

11-17-2009, 07:02 AM

Syd

11-17-2009, 07:18 AM

Yes, but would you still fuck her?

Never in a million years. She's morally corrupt, intellectually impaired and by far the most small person i've ever seen trotted out for the public to adore. She represents the unfortunate future of America -- selling it off to the highest bidder. The fact that she did so with the Alaskan state government plane just makes it all the more surreal. She is the newcomer to politics, the neoconservative that seeks to sell off society to private business in order to line her pockets, and her friends pockets. Nepotism knows no bounds with these incorrigible pieces of shit. I wonder if she returned that money to the American taxpayer which had in all likelihood had paid for the majority of the plane. I doubt it, easier used as a bribe for the local citizens. Fuck her and all the "small government" bullshit she stands for. I'd rather be under the most Orwellian government imaginable so long as I had the ability to vote for my leaders instead of having a private business forced onto me like I was some sort of rape victim.

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 10:57 AM

chock full of facts, it is

Yes... that's my favorite part of the AP "article", when they say "THE FACTS". Way to go guys. You've totally debunked her entire book now. She wont get away with lying to the American people anymore and it only took 12 of you to do it.

FACT CHECK: Palin's book goes rogue on some facts
By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer"AP writers Matt Apuzzo, Sharon Theimer, Tom Raum, Rita Beamish, Beth Fouhy, H. Josef Hebert, Justin D. Pritchard, Garance Burke, Dan Joling and Lewis Shaine contributed to this report." (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PALIN_BOOK_FACT_CHECK_ABRIDGED?SITE=MAFAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

Awesome. 12 people... 6 "facts"... and some of the so-called "facts" are actually just the opinions of the so-called AP "journalists".

Furtherman

11-17-2009, 11:02 AM

Palin goes beyond any party affiliation loyalty. Any self respecting Republican who stands by her, loses respect. At this point she's no different than that former Miss California media whore banking on simpleton "values".

Furtherman

11-17-2009, 11:06 AM

She wont get away with lying to the American people anymore and it only took 12 of you to do it.

Her book came out this week and they probably got a copy of it last week. 12 journalists were put on the job so they could show her incompetence right away. It wasn't a matter of needing 12 people to do it, it was a matter of getting it done quickly, or else these same truths would have just come out a few weeks from now if one journalist was on the job.

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 11:08 AM

Furtherman

11-17-2009, 11:10 AM

You talking about Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer?

No, that's what Palin does to deflect her douchey-ness.

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 11:10 AM

Her book came out this week and they probably got a copy of it last week. 12 journalists were put on the job so they could show her incompetence right away. It wasn't a matter of needing 12 people to do it, it was a matter of getting it done quickly, or else these same truths would have just come out a few weeks from now if one journalist was on the job.

Yes, very important that those 6 "facts" get out there immediately. You know, for National Security and all.

Furtherman

11-17-2009, 11:12 AM

When this woman is touting herself as some kind of patriot, yes, it should be noted as quickly as possible that she's full of shit. It just may save a rube today.

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 11:21 AM

I don't understand how she does it, but it works. All he has to do is point out that twelve reporters worked on that story and all of a sudden it's this huge thing that twelve reporters worked on a story, like at any other point in history we've ever cared about the number of reporters working on a story yet now we do because she said it. It's insane and brilliant and depressing.

EliSnow

11-17-2009, 11:26 AM

Yes, very important that those 6 "facts" get out there immediately. You know, for National Security and all.

She's publishing a book that purports to reveal the facts about what happened in the past. And she's bitched for over a year about how the media distorts things. Given that, yes, I think it's reasonable to do what they did.

And apparently, McCain's people decided it was important to address the assertions before it was published.

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 11:32 AM

When this woman is touting herself as some kind of patriot, yes, it should be noted as quickly as possible that she's full of shit. It just may save a rube today.

It's really sad to see you stoop so low as to question the woman's patriotism.

I don't understand how she does it, but it works. All he has to do is point out that twelve reporters worked on that story and all of a sudden it's this huge thing that twelve reporters worked on a story, like at any other point in history we've ever cared about the number of reporters working on a story yet now we do because she said it. It's insane and brilliant and depressing.

How many AP reporters were assigned to "fact check" the stimulus bill, the health care bill, or any other piece of legislation passed in the last 12 months? Read the article they came up with on her book and it's mostly their opinions that they report as "the facts". Surely you don't need me to point them all out to you. You can surely tell that at the end of the article when they talk about her motivation for the book and leaving the governorship, they can't state speculation based on other politicians and call it "THE FACTS".

Syd

11-17-2009, 11:39 AM

How many AP reporters were assigned to "fact check" the stimulus bill, the health care bill, or any other piece of legislation passed in the last 12 months? Read the article they came up with on her book and it's mostly their opinions that they report as "the facts". Surely you don't need me to point them all out to you. You can surely tell that at the end of the article when they talk about her motivation for the book and leaving the governorship, they can't state speculation based on other politicians and call it "THE FACTS".

How many AP reporters were targeted by the stimulus bill or health care bill or any other piece of legislation passed in the past 12 months?

She decided to question the intelligence of the public and attack the news media -- so its the public's fault for her mistakes? Sorry but that dog don't hunt brah

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 11:44 AM

How many AP reporters were targeted by the stimulus bill or health care bill or any other piece of legislation passed in the past 12 months?

She decided to question the intelligence of the public and attack the news media -- so its the public's fault for her mistakes? Sorry but that dog don't hunt brah

I would assume all AP reporters who are citizens are affected (targeted?) by the stimulus, health care, and other legislation. It is nice to see you admit that the AP just wrote and published a hit piece on her tho.

Not sure wtf you're talking about in the 2nd half of that post. I didn't say anything similar so... sorry to hear about your crappy dog I guess.

KatPw

11-17-2009, 11:45 AM

Walmart is offering the book for $10 or less. Newsmax is offering it for $4.99. Why is it already discounted so greatly on the day it is released?

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 11:46 AM

How many AP reporters were assigned to "fact check" the stimulus bill, the health care bill, or any other piece of legislation passed in the last 12 months?

See? She's a diabolical genius. We now have an AP reporter quota. Why? Because she brought it up. It's almost like a superpower.

underdog

11-17-2009, 11:54 AM

It's really sad to see you stoop so low as to question the woman's patriotism.

Seriously Ferdinand. It's like you're a full blooded republican now.

Syd

11-17-2009, 12:01 PM

I would assume all AP reporters who are citizens are affected (targeted?) by the stimulus, health care, and other legislation. It is nice to see you admit that the AP just wrote and published a hit piece on her tho.

Not sure wtf you're talking about in the 2nd half of that post. I didn't say anything similar so... sorry to hear about your crappy dog I guess.

My point is she targeted journalists in her campaign. Do you think they're going to sit idly by? It's not a hit piece on her, its pointing out that she is either a) very dim-witted b) an incredibly bad liar c) all of the above

The book was ghost written and it still reads like a 3rd grader was penning it. There are excerpts such as this gem:

I finally said out loud what I knew I had to do.
"I'm not a quitter, Track," I finished. "I'm going to fight. And that's the point."

By the end of the conversation Track understood more. He knew this was one of the most important decisions I would ever make, and he also knew that I knew what I was talking about.

I hear you, Mom," he finally said. "I'm praying for you."
"Fast about it for a day," I said.
"Eat nothing for a whole day? Holy Crap!"
"Okay, forget fasting food," I conceded. "Fast from cussing for a day, then."
"Hell, no. Impossible over here. Next?"

He agreed to give up chew for a day. That was a big darn deal.

So there's the issue of who hired that buffoon to write the book as well.

epo

11-17-2009, 12:03 PM

Yes... that's my favorite part of the AP "article", when they say "THE FACTS". Way to go guys. You've totally debunked her entire book now. She wont get away with lying to the American people anymore and it only took 12 of you to do it.

Awesome. 12 people... 6 "facts"... and some of the so-called "facts" are actually just the opinions of the so-called AP "journalists".

Most of this stuff is old reporting, so there was probably a couple of people who worked on the article, but then had to give credit in accordance with the AP Style Guide...creating the "12 reporters" talking point.

Syd

11-17-2009, 12:06 PM

Have of this stuff is old reporting, so there was probably a couple of people who worked on the article, but then had to give credit in accordance with the AP Style Guide...creating the "12 reporters" talking point.

And that's the crux of the issue: Republicans can't really handle themselves in public so it's easier to deflect things as "liberal biased media" when they're caught blatantly lying and creating mistruths in order to create, in Palin's case, the blankest slate possible for people to project onto.

angrymissy

11-17-2009, 12:10 PM

It's really sad to see you stoop so low as to question the woman's patriotism.

How many AP reporters were assigned to "fact check" the stimulus bill, the health care bill, or any other piece of legislation passed in the last 12 months? Read the article they came up with on her book and it's mostly their opinions that they report as "the facts". Surely you don't need me to point them all out to you. You can surely tell that at the end of the article when they talk about her motivation for the book and leaving the governorship, they can't state speculation based on other politicians and call it "THE FACTS".

They fact checked Obama's health care speech and I've seen them fact check many other things in the past year.

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 12:11 PM

Most of this stuff is old reporting, so there was probably a couple of people who worked on the article, but then had to give credit in accordance with the AP Style Guide...creating the "12 reporters" talking point.

Excellent point.

angrymissy

11-17-2009, 12:12 PM

Walmart is offering the book for $10 or less. Newsmax is offering it for $4.99. Why is it already discounted so greatly on the day it is released?

When I have time later I'll find it, but there are organizations that bulk buy conservative books and then resell them for a lot less. Also accounts for books rising to #1. On NYT best seller list they mark books that have bulk purchases with a symbol.

Jujubees2

11-17-2009, 12:12 PM

Yes, very important that those 6 "facts" get out there immediately. You know, for National Security and all.

The fact that you are defending Sarah Palin speaks volumes...

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 12:14 PM

The fact that you are defending Sarah Palin speaks volumes...

Look at you all coming out of the woodwork to bash her. So much hate from the party of peace and love.

You guys are hilarious today.

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 12:15 PM

"Hate?"

"Party of peace and love?"

You're in a weird place, man.

KatPw

11-17-2009, 12:16 PM

When I have time later I'll find it, but there are organizations that bulk buy conservative books and then resell them for a lot less. Also accounts for books rising to #1. On NYT best seller list they mark books that have bulk purchases with a symbol.

The L. Ron Hubbard School of getting a book to become a best seller. You know it's a sad day for you when you are no better than a drugged out shitty sci-fi writer.

EliSnow

11-17-2009, 12:16 PM

And that's the crux of the issue: Republicans can't really handle themselves in public so it's easier to deflect things as "liberal biased media" when they're caught blatantly lying and creating mistruths in order to create, in Palin's case, the blankest slate possible for people to project onto.

It's clearly her MO: if you are questioning my honesty, experience, etc., you are attacking me, and you're dishonest and unprofessional.

Oh, and you're not a real American.

angrymissy

11-17-2009, 12:16 PM

Look at you all coming out of the woodwork to bash her. So much hate from the party of peace and love.

You guys are hilarious today.

I get agitated at Sarah Palin because it's insulting to me as a woman that they picked someone like her to try and pander to women. Plenty of other smarter, more experienced women they could have chosen.

Plus, I dislike hypocrites more than anything in the world, and I strongly dislike her fake folksy backwoods "aw shucks" act. Besides, I'm not a "real American" based on her standards anyway.

But hey, lets teach little girls that looking pretty and winking at people is how to get ahead in life! Screw intelligence, use your T&A!

underdog

11-17-2009, 12:25 PM

Look at you all coming out of the woodwork to bash her. So much hate from the party of peace and love.

You guys are hilarious today.

Do you have a southern accent?

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 12:31 PM

Do you have a southern accent?

Cheap shot.

underdog

11-17-2009, 12:32 PM

Cheap shot.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone defend Palin that didn't have a southern accent, and I never pictured badmonkey to have a southern accent.

epo

11-17-2009, 12:34 PM

Yes... that's my favorite part of the AP "article", when they say "THE FACTS". Way to go guys. You've totally debunked her entire book now. She wont get away with lying to the American people anymore and it only took 12 of you to do it.

FACT CHECK: Palin's book goes rogue on some facts
By CALVIN WOODWARD
Associated Press Writer"AP writers Matt Apuzzo, Sharon Theimer, Tom Raum, Rita Beamish, Beth Fouhy, H. Josef Hebert, Justin D. Pritchard, Garance Burke, Dan Joling and Lewis Shaine contributed to this report."

Awesome. 12 people... 6 "facts"... and some of the so-called "facts" are actually just the opinions of the so-called AP "journalists".

You've only given me 11 names!

1. Calvin Woodward
2. Matt Apuzzo
3. Sharon Theimer
4. Tom Raum
5. Rita Beamish
6. Beth Fouhy
7. H. Josef Hebert
8. Justin D. Pritchard
9. Garance Burke
10. Dan Joling
11. Lewis Shaine

Stop hiding the truth! Who is the 12th reporter?

badmonkey

11-17-2009, 12:35 PM

You've only given me 11 names!

1. Calvin Woodward
2. Matt Apuzzo
3. Sharon Theimer
4. Tom Raum
5. Rita Beamish
6. Beth Fouhy
7. H. Josef Hebert
8. Justin D. Pritchard
9. Garance Burke
10. Dan Joling
11. Lewis Shaine

Stop hiding the truth! Who is the 12th reporter?

Rahm Emanuel

angrymissy

11-17-2009, 12:42 PM

Here are other Fact Check articles AP did... ones that don't paint Obama in a great light, actually. All from Fox News using AP articles.

FACT CHECK: Obama's Job Creation, Deficit Claims Questionable
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/30/fact-check-obamas-job-creation-deficit-claims-questionable

FACT CHECK: Health Insurers' Profits Not So Fat
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/10/26/fact-check-health-insurers-profits-fat/

Fact Check: Obama on Health Care
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/22/fact-check-obama-health-care/

FACT CHECK: Obama Gets Tougher on Iran
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/23/fact-check-obama-gets-tougher-iran/

Fact Check: Biden Plays Loose With Stimulus Facts
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/05/14/fact-check-biden-plays-loose-stimulus-facts/

FACT CHECK: Stimulus job creation claims uncertain
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Feb02/0,4670,FactCheckStimulusJobs,00.html

FACT CHECK: Obama has it both ways on pork
http://www.foxnews.com/wires/2009Feb09/0,4670,FactCheckObama,00.html

But they're singling out and attacking Palin? People act like AP never does these Fact Check pieces... they do, all the time.

Furtherman

11-17-2009, 12:50 PM

It's really sad to see you stoop so low as to question the woman's patriotism.

Palin is a patriotic as much as fast food restaurants are concerned about the low income neighborhoods they place their product.

"Hate?"

"Party of peace and love?"

You're in a weird place, man.

It's called blind love for all that is Republican and to even question an obvious error in judgment (to many Republicans) make you some kind of "typical" "liberal", and I put both those words in quotes because those on such defensive forget all meanings of the words.

epo

11-17-2009, 01:02 PM

Rahm Emanuel

Stop hiding from the truth! WHO IS THE 12TH MAN?

Jujubees2

11-17-2009, 01:09 PM

Stop hiding from the truth! WHO IS THE 12TH MAN?

I don't know but I think he lives in College Station, Texas...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_UF3BomPCP2g/SGL5crIXXbI/AAAAAAAAABA/Tk4s3aYen84/S1600-R/800px-homeofthe12thman.jpeg

boosterp

11-17-2009, 02:44 PM

The L. Ron Hubbard School of getting a book to become a best seller. You know it's a sad day for you when you are no better than a drugged out shitty sci-fi writer.

:lol::lol::lol:

Do you have a southern accent?

I don't think I've ever heard anyone defend Palin that didn't have a southern accent, and I never pictured badmonkey to have a southern accent.

I have a southern accent and I do not defend Palin, the republican's biggest mistake of the election. So take your biased views elsewhere.

HBox

11-17-2009, 02:53 PM

Sarah Palin makes George W. Bush look like an intelligent, informed, objective and level headed politician.

underdog

11-17-2009, 02:55 PM

I have a southern accent and I do not defend Palin, the republican's biggest mistake of the election. So take your biased views elsewhere.

I didn't say everyone with a southern accent defends Palin. I said everyone who defends Palin has a southern accent.

boosterp

11-17-2009, 02:56 PM

Sarah Palin makes George W. Bush look like an intelligent, informed, objective and level headed politician.

Bite your tongue! That is asking the impossible.

boosterp

11-17-2009, 02:56 PM

I didn't say everyone with a southern accent defends Palin. I said everyone who defends Palin has a southern accent.

Just giving you a hard time.:drunk:

HBox

11-17-2009, 03:01 PM

Bite your tongue! That is asking the impossible.

I'm being completely honest when I say that when I look at the GOP today, and the way the extremists are acting, and I look at Palin and the way she acts that I long for the days of Bush and Rove being the leaders of the GOP. At least Bush became less awful as his time in office winded down.

underdog

11-17-2009, 03:01 PM

Just giving you a hard time.:drunk:

You have a southern accent, so I figured I had to explain it. :tongue:

boosterp

11-17-2009, 03:07 PM

You have a southern accent, so I figured I had to explain it. :tongue:

Bite your tongue! I ain't got no southern ac-cent.

KatPw

11-17-2009, 03:20 PM

I'm being completely honest when I say that when I look at the GOP today, and the way the extremists are acting, and I look at Palin and the way she acts that I long for the days of Bush and Rove being the leaders of the GOP. At least Bush became less awful as his time in office winded down.

At least he was a "Compassionate Conservative". Her kind are just Conservative. Her fans are like how the Pests used to be during the WNEW/early XM days (I can't speak for the current fan base). You know, the ones that would do attacks on the media (NFP, etc.), the ones that attack other radio shows and tie up their phones. They are effective and dangerous, especially when they turn on their own.

K.C.

11-17-2009, 03:52 PM

If I could have punched through my iPhone today when some retarded O&A caller tried to say that Palin has more experience than Biden, I would have, some I'm thoroughly convinced man is not meant to punch through phones.

Even Ant & Jimmy had to distance themselves from that.

EliSnow

11-17-2009, 03:53 PM

TheMojoPin

11-17-2009, 03:55 PM

At least he was a "Compassionate Conservative". Her kind are just Conservative.

No, that's an unfair slight to actual conservatives. She's an extension of the neo-cons and the religious Right.

K.C.

11-17-2009, 04:01 PM

Did the caller have any reasons why she has more experience?

She was a governor.

Obama and Biden have never run anything.

Nevermind that one is Harvard educated and legislated in a major American city and the other was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee for like a billion years.

KatPw

11-17-2009, 04:19 PM

No, that's an unfair slight to actual conservatives. She's an extension of the neo-cons and the religious Right.

I apologize to any Conservatives that may have been offended.

boosterp

11-17-2009, 06:03 PM

I apologize to any Conservatives that may have been offended.

Thank you. :wink:

Ritalin

11-17-2009, 06:08 PM

There aren't any conservatives left.

underdog

11-23-2009, 05:41 PM

I suddenly hate America.

It's 8 minutes of no one saying anything but vague talking points and never being able to back it up.

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boosterp

11-23-2009, 07:04 PM

Underdog, that is truly depressing. Particularly the lack of information these idiots have regarding anything Palin stands for. In the beginning the idiot in the Steelers jacket sums it up.

~Katja~

11-23-2009, 07:12 PM

I suddenly hate America.

It's 8 minutes of no one saying anything but vague talking points and never being able to back it up.

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this statement might be unfair cause I could not watch this past the first minute even, but I love how they picked complete retards to comment and defend her book and political career.

hanso

11-23-2009, 10:10 PM

She was a governor.

Obama and Biden have never run anything.

Nevermind that one is Harvard educated and legislated in a major American city and the other was chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee for like a billion years.

Senators don't match up to governors?
Then why is my governor (christ) dropping his office to run for senate?

SatCam

11-24-2009, 02:33 AM

underdog

11-24-2009, 04:22 AM

this statement might be unfair cause I could not watch this past the first minute even, but I love how they picked complete retards to comment and defend her book and political career.

I liked how the guy didn't even ask tough questions, he just asked them what they meant by what they were saying, and no one could answer with anything but more buzzwords.

"Uh, freedom."

booster11373

11-24-2009, 04:43 AM

The reason they support her is because she is white and believes in Gawd

A.J.

11-24-2009, 04:49 AM

The blond chick that was trying to say "entrepreneurial" was kind of hot though.

Serpico1103

11-24-2009, 06:39 AM

Do any of those idiots think Bush and his policies are at all responsible for the situation we are in?

The one woman mentioned we need to stop being politically correct. What she means is we need to get back to calling foreigners animals and stop making fun of Christianity.
The nation has always been politically correct. When they called the black guy "spear chucker" on MASH that was politically correct at the time. When we had slaves, that was politically correct at the time.

epo

12-02-2009, 08:32 PM

Palin on Afghanistan:

"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq. I heard on the news about the new deployments, and while I support our president, Condoleezza Rice and the administration, I want to know that we have an exit plan in place," - Sarah Palin, March 1, 2007.

"Talk of an exit date also risks sending the wrong message. We should be in Afghanistan to win, not to set a timetable for withdrawal that signals a lack of resolve to our friends, and lets our enemies believe they can wait us out," - Sarah Palin, last night.

I betcha she winked after she said it too.

midwestjeff

12-02-2009, 08:35 PM

I totally saw all this Palin fallout coming before anyone else.
That's why I dropped that bitch in my fantasy governor league long before she was even known nationally.

Chigworthy

12-02-2009, 08:36 PM

This thread bumping has gone too far.

keithy_19

12-02-2009, 08:48 PM

I totally saw all this Palin fallout coming before anyone else.
That's why I dropped that bitch in my fantasy governor league long before she was even known nationally.

:happy:

Jujubees2

12-03-2009, 04:52 AM

I totally saw all this Palin fallout coming before anyone else.
That's why I dropped that bitch in my fantasy governor league long before she was even known nationally.

Who'd you pick up? Arnold or Christine Gregoire?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9a/ChristineGregoireOfficial.jpg/100px-

Jujubees2

12-04-2009, 06:05 AM

Palin book tour host to foreign press: stay away (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_media_rules)

angrymissy

12-08-2009, 07:35 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/04/20091204palin-graham-ON.html

Scary. Yeah, the imaginary man in the sky will solve all our problems.

"No one person has all the right answers," Palin said. "It takes a united nation, and it does take godly counsel, and it takes prayer and answers to prayer - and a collective humble heart of a nation seeking God's hand of protection and his blessings of prosperity. I think if we can get back to that, our country will be a safer, more prosperous and healthier nation."

boosterp

12-08-2009, 07:40 AM

epo

12-08-2009, 07:44 AM

Is her willingness to let God legislate the reason that Wasilla is the meth capital of Alaska?

A.J.

12-08-2009, 08:21 AM

WRESTLINGFAN

12-08-2009, 08:42 AM

TheMojoPin

12-08-2009, 08:44 AM

As wacky as she is, she's not calling for people to strap themselves with C-4 and blow up a marketplace.

Rungs on a ladder.

KatPw

12-08-2009, 08:46 AM

Is her willingness to let God legislate the reason that Wasilla is the meth capital of Alaska?

When your life is destroyed by meth addiction where else do you turn? Wasilla must be the mostly Godly place in America!

underdog

12-08-2009, 11:06 AM

Everytime this thread gets bumped, I think of this clip :

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SonOfSmeagol

12-08-2009, 04:36 PM

Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

-Geo Washington

What a whackjob! I mean really, those words are sooooo scary! And what of the downward spiral they sent us on into governmental control by religious zealots!

Or not.

Of course...that was then and this is now, and now it so much more likely that we will be overrun by the god-crazed hoards!

TheMojoPin

12-08-2009, 05:16 PM

Wait, we have to REALLY act like George Washington was infallible? Creepy.

A.J.

12-09-2009, 03:39 AM

Wait, we have to REALLY act like George Washington was infallible? Creepy.

He was probably high on hemp when he said that.

Jujubees2

12-09-2009, 05:24 AM

SonOfSmeagol

12-09-2009, 05:03 PM

He was probably high on hemp when he said that.

It took LSD for me to see God, and then all he had to say was:

“Wish You Were Here” was genius, no? I created that.

sr71blackbird

12-12-2009, 03:37 AM

Sarah turns the tables on Shatner

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epo

12-28-2009, 06:05 PM

Palin daughter sues for custody (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/3457-palin-daughter-sues-for-custody)

The custody battle between Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin became public last week when two Superior Court judges issued orders unsealing the court record and denying the use of pseudonyms to protect the feuding parents' identities.

A Dec. 23 order from Judge Kari C. Kristiansen denied Palin's motion to close the proceedings and opened the case file to public access, while an order issued the same day by Presiding Judge Sharon Gleason denied Palin's request to use John and Jane Doe in place of Johnston's and her own real names.

On Nov. 4, Palin filed for sole custody of Tripp Johnston-Palin, the former couple's son, who celebrates his first birthday today. Kristiansen initially issued temporary orders limiting access to the case file and allowing the parties to file under pseudonyms.

Johnston wasn't playing along, however. In an opposition to Palin's motion for a gag order, Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, said: "Simply put, this matter is public in nature, the courts are not refuges for the scions of the elite to obtain private dispensation of their legal matters because the public at large has an interest in the proceedings."

There's another factor in the mix, of course: Palin's mother, former governor Sarah Palin, with whom Johnston has repeatedly locked horns in the press, and from whom he claims to fear retaliation.

It's like an episode of Springer that never ends.....

A.J.

12-29-2009, 03:59 AM

Palin daughter sues for custody (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/3457-palin-daughter-sues-for-custody)

It's like an episode of Springer that never ends.....

An abortion would have avoided all of this.

Oh........right.

Ritalin

12-29-2009, 05:53 AM

Palin daughter sues for custody (http://www.alaskadispatch.com/blogs/palin-watch/3457-palin-daughter-sues-for-custody)

It's like an episode of Springer that never ends.....

No, the Springer episode begins when he files for joint custody of TRIG.

She WHAT?

Oh, you betcha!

Furtherman

01-06-2010, 09:00 AM

Bristol Palin sets up a public relations firm. (http://ow.ly/16hm9M)

Her first client is Alaska. Gotta fix up that wild, open reputation... oh wait, that was herself.

EliSnow

01-06-2010, 09:04 AM

Bristol Palin sets up a public relations firm. (http://ow.ly/16hm9M)

Her first client is Alaska. Gotta fix up that wild, open reputation... oh wait, that was herself.

She's 19 with no college degree.

WTF?

topless_mike

01-06-2010, 09:35 AM

The custody battle between Levi Johnston and Bristol Palin became public last week when two Superior Court judges issued orders unsealing the court record and denying the use of pseudonyms to protect the feuding parents' identities.

A Dec. 23 order from Judge Kari C. Kristiansen denied Palin's motion to close the proceedings and opened the case file to public access, while an order issued the same day by Presiding Judge Sharon Gleason denied Palin's request to use John and Jane Doe in place of Johnston's and her own real names.

On Nov. 4, Palin filed for sole custody of Tripp Johnston-Palin, the former couple's son, who celebrates his first birthday today. Kristiansen initially issued temporary orders limiting access to the case file and allowing the parties to file under pseudonyms.

Johnston wasn't playing along, however. In an opposition to Palin's motion for a gag order, Johnston's attorney, Rex Butler, said: "Simply put, this matter is public in nature, the courts are not refuges for the scions of the elite to obtain private dispensation of their legal matters because the public at large has an interest in the proceedings."

There's another factor in the mix, of course: Palin's mother, former governor Sarah Palin, with whom Johnston has repeatedly locked horns in the press, and from whom he claims to fear retaliation.

really asshole? looking for attention?
it not public in nature. its a private matter, as they all should be. its between the 2 parents, the judge, and nobody else. i really hope Levi just falls off the earth soon.

EliSnow

01-06-2010, 09:43 AM

really asshole? looking for attention?
it not public in nature. its a private matter, as they all should be. its between the 2 parents, the judge, and nobody else. i really hope Levi just falls off the earth soon.

He is a attention-seeking scumbag, but I think that these proceedings are generally public matters. Assuming that's true, then I think Palin's motion should be denied. The very fact that she has to file a motion for the gag order suggests that this is true. As does the judge's decision.

If I'm wrong, then it should be granted.

Either way, the case shouldn't be treated any differently than any other family court matter.

topless_mike

01-06-2010, 09:46 AM

He is a attention-seeking scumbag, but I think that these proceedings are generally public matters. Assuming that's true, then I think Palin's motion should be denied. The very fact that she has to file a motion for the gag order suggests that this is true. As does the judge's decision.

If I'm wrong, then it should be granted.

Either way, the case shouldn't be treated any differently than any other family court matter.

i agree with you. but i also agree that matters like this should be treated privately, not open for the public to see. if you and your wife were divorcing, would you want everyone to be able to see whats going on? i know i wouldnt, especially when it kids are involved.

EliSnow

01-06-2010, 09:48 AM

i agree with you. but i also agree that matters like this should be treated privately, not open for the public to see. if you and your wife were divorcing, would you want everyone to be able to see whats going on? i know i wouldnt, especially when it kids are involved.

They are not though. Government records are sealed in very few areas. And this isn't' one of them.

Given that, I see her attempt to seal them as a political move.

topless_mike

01-06-2010, 09:50 AM

They are not though. Government records are sealed in very few areas. And this isn't' one of them.

Given that, I see her attempt to seal them as a political move.

i see it more of a privacy move than political.

KatPw

01-06-2010, 09:55 AM

i agree with you. but i also agree that matters like this should be treated privately, not open for the public to see. if you and your wife were divorcing, would you want everyone to be able to see whats going on? i know i wouldnt, especially when it kids are involved.

Divorces are public record. I believe there are are some circumstances that allow the records to be sealed but the majority of divorces do not fit the criteria. Marriages, births, deaths and property holdings are public record also. Anyone that knows your name can go down to your town's record office and obtain that information.

EliSnow

01-06-2010, 09:56 AM

i see it more of a privacy move than political.

But it's not a private proceeding under the law, and really there's no special facts making it private (rape, underage crime, etc).

Given that's how the courts treat it, the move had to be to keep her name out of the press, because it's been there so much due to political reasons.

EliSnow

01-06-2010, 09:57 AM

Divorces are public record. I believe there are are some circumstances that allow the records to be sealed but the majority of divorces do not fit the criteria. Marriages, births, deaths and property holdings are public record also. Anyone with your name can go down to your town's record office and obtain that information.

And there are valid reasons for that. Businesses and people do need to know divorce information for legitimate reasons.

KatPw

01-06-2010, 09:59 AM

And there are valid reasons for that. Businesses and people do need to know divorce information for legitimate reasons.

Exactly. I would say that if you don't want your divorce to be public record then just don't get divorced or never get married to begin with. Problem solved.

Ritalin

01-06-2010, 10:21 AM

Actually, from what I've read, Levi really wants this to be on the public record to protect himself against any Palin-like shenanigans. She used to be the governor, remember, and she still has some clout.

Of course, in Alaska, clout means knowing 4 people, but still.

A.J.

01-08-2010, 07:19 AM

This is frightening if true:

Schmidt: McCain aides feared Palin 'debacle'
Posted: January 8th, 2010 10:37 AM ET
McCain aides feared Palin's debate performance could prove disastrous.

(CNN) – Former McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt is revealing new details on just how uneasy campaign aides felt about then-vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's prospects heading into her debate with rival Joe Biden.

In an interview with CNN's Anderson Cooper set to air on 60 Minutes Sunday on CBS, Schmidt said Palin's debate preparations were going so poorly that campaign aides feared the closely-watched debate could prove to be a "debacle of historic and epic proportions."

What was most troubling, according to Schmidt, was the fact Palin repeatedly confounded Biden's name during the preparation process, referring to the then-Delaware senator as Sen. O'Biden. Aides were so worried that such a mishap in the actual debate would prove catastrophic that they advised her to simply refer to her opponent as "Joe."

"It was multiple people – and I wasn't one of them – who all said at the same time, 'Just say, Can I call you Joe,' which she did," Schmidt tells Cooper.

Palin herself addresses that moment in her memoir released late last year, "Going Rogue."
"We had no idea my mic would already be hot when I walked onstage, crossed over to his turf, and said, 'Can I call you Joe?' The 'expert' post-debate analysis was that my question was a cleverly devised strategy to disarm my opponent. Yeah, right."

Schmidt and Palin have been engaged in a war of words for months, during which Schmidt has openly questioned Palin's viability to be president and Palin has accused Schmidt of mishandling her during the course of the campaign (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/).

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 07:29 AM

More war of words between Palin and the McCain election aides (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/08/schmidt-mccain-aides-feared-palin-debacle/) concerning the prep for the VP debate:

What was most troubling, according to Schmidt, was the fact Palin repeatedly confounded Biden's name during the preparation process, referring to the then-Delaware senator as Sen. O'Biden. Aides were so worried that such a mishap in the actual debate would prove catastrophic that they advised her to simply refer to her opponent as "Joe."

angrymissy

01-08-2010, 07:34 AM

This is frightening if true:

I would have pissed myself laughing if she called him O'Biden.

Ritalin

01-08-2010, 07:56 AM

Fuck off, Schmitt. You picked her, dumb fuck.

KnoxHarrington

01-08-2010, 08:01 AM

If the Republican party goes full retard and nominates her for President, Obama's going to lay down an asswhipping that will make Reagan/Mondale '84 look like a squeaker.

She could sort of be hidden in the background as running mate, making awful speeches about Obama "pallin' around with terrorists" to crowds of hillbillies, but if the full glare of being the top of the ticket falls on her, she'll melt down. Hell, look at her media strategy now: she's basically hidden away in friendly media outlets, access tightly controlled. She can't do that if she's running for President.

Which is why, in the end, I suspect she will not run.

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 08:05 AM

SonOfSmeagol

01-08-2010, 09:01 AM

Hell, look at her media strategy now: she's basically hidden away in friendly media outlets, access tightly controlled. She can't do that if she's running for President.

QFT. That strategy will keep her loyalists on her side and may even make them more supporative of her.

But she needs mainstream media, etc. to get others. And she won't be able to do that.

So, in the interest of fact vs fiction: I believe she did interviews in Nov and Dec on outlets including 20/20, GMA, Nightline, Barbara Walters, and Oprah. Do these qualify as "hidden away in friendly media outlets", and not "mainstream"?

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 09:03 AM

So, in the interest of fact vs fiction: I believe she did interviews in Nov and Dec on outlets including 20/20, GMA, Nightline, Barbara Walters, and Oprah. Do these qualify as "hidden away in friendly media outlets", and not "mainstream"?

Those were for her book tour, and largely concerned that.

If you look at how she deals with political statements, she has been doing so through Facebook, etc.

Ritalin

01-08-2010, 09:07 AM

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 09:10 AM

GMA, Barbara Walters and Oprah?

c'mon man.

Exactly. It was more of a book tour promotion set of interviews.

That translates into mostly softball questions. These were not hard hitting interviews into her politics, problems, etc.

KatPw

01-08-2010, 09:11 AM

I posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

topless_mike

01-08-2010, 09:26 AM

i find that i usually lean towards the right on most issues. there is nothing right about this woman. i wouldnt vote for her. as much of a failure that i see President Obama as being (for now), i cant really see this twit doing any better.

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 09:28 AM

I posted in the wrong thread. Sorry.

No problem. Disneyspy does it all the time.

SonOfSmeagol

01-08-2010, 09:43 AM

Exactly. It was more of a book tour promotion set of interviews.

That translates into mostly softball questions. These were not hard hitting interviews into her politics, problems, etc.

While I didn’t see all these recent interviews by any means, I didn’t see anywhere where the interviewers were restricted to questions about the book only (the book about her politics, problems, the campaign, and stuff), or where she refused to answer any question she didn't like (other than whether or not she will run). Let’s take an example, since you seem to be well-versed in these interviews that took place, what in your opinion should Babs have asked of her that she didn’t?

EliSnow

01-08-2010, 09:46 AM

While I didn’t see all these recent interviews by any means, I didn’t see anywhere where the interviewers were restricted to questions about the book only (the book about her politics, problems, the campaign, and stuff), or where she refused to answer any question she didn't like (other than whether or not she will run). Let’s take an example, since you seem to be well-versed in these interviews that took place, what in your opinion should Babs have asked of her that she didn’t?

I'm not saying that anyone should have asked things different.

The point is that interviews to promote a book tour are going to be much different than interviews, press coverage for an election.

It doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong, including her camp. They are just two diffrent things, and not a good comparison.

Furtherman

01-08-2010, 09:53 AM

While I didn’t see all these recent interviews by any means, I didn’t see anywhere where the interviewers were restricted to questions about the book only (the book about her politics, problems, the campaign, and stuff), or where she refused to answer any question she didn't like (other than whether or not she will run). Let’s take an example, since you seem to be well-versed in these interviews that took place, what in your opinion should Babs have asked of her that she didn’t?

Palin supporters are the best. There is a reason why no political aspirations were asked in those interviews. You don't even need to see them to know that.

SonOfSmeagol

01-08-2010, 01:02 PM

I'm not saying that anyone should have asked things different.

The point is that interviews to promote a book tour are going to be much different than interviews, press coverage for an election.

It doesn't mean anyone did anything wrong, including her camp. They are just two diffrent things, and not a good comparison.

Palin supporters are the best. There is a reason why no political aspirations were asked in those interviews. You don't even need to see them to know that.

But she’s not in an election, and the implication was that she is currently staying out of the mainstream and avoiding any hard questions about anything she has said and/or done.

I am not supporting her or detracting from her at this point, I am simply saying that that is not true. While I think Babs is somewhat left leaning, she is still a good example of mainstream when it comes to interviews. I think that she is one of the most respected, fair, and thorough interviewers out there. I wonder what else needed to be asked at this point – why was it so softball?

CurseoftheBambi

01-11-2010, 01:07 PM

http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/sarah-palin-to-contribute-to-fox-news/

Former Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska has signed on as a contributor to the Fox News Channel.

The network confirmed that Ms. Palin would appear on the network’s programming on a regular basis as part of a multiyear deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

Ms. Palin will not have her own regular program, one person with knowledge of the deal said, though she will host a series that will run on the network from time to time. This person would not elaborate, but the network does have a precedent for such a series. Oliver L. North is the host of an occasionally running documentary series on the military called “War Stories.”

Many suspected that when Ms. Palin retired as the governor of Alaska last summer she was doing so to pursue some sort of career in television. The Fox News deal, however, would not seem to be all-encompassing, and would appear to give her room for other pursuits, as well.

The deal was formally announced on Monday afternoon. Robert Barnett, Ms. Palin’s lawyer, did not respond to a call for comment. “I am thrilled to be joining the great talent and management team at Fox News. It’s wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news,” Ms. Palin said in a statement.

Wonder if she'll quit to run for President? :wacko::thumbdown:

EliSnow

01-11-2010, 01:16 PM

But she’s not in an election, and the implication was that she is currently staying out of the mainstream and avoiding any hard questions about anything she has said and/or done.

When it comes to ongoing topics such as the Iraq War, the health care bill, and other things, she has stayed out of the mainstream media and has only made her viewpoints known on Facebook and gatherings of like-minded people such as "Tea Party" conferences, etc. This strategy has been commented on and noted by a number of sources, not just people here. I've even seen conservative figures commenting on this approach.

She is not going on Meet the Press or doing interviews on these things like a number of other conservative leaders/figures have done.

I am not supporting her or detracting from her at this point, I am simply saying that that is not true. While I think Babs is somewhat left leaning, she is still a good example of mainstream when it comes to interviews. I think that she is one of the most respected, fair, and thorough interviewers out there. I wonder what else needed to be asked at this point – why was it so softball?

Again, I don't think any hard questions were needed to be asked on her tour. It was a promotional book tour where softball questions are asked and answered.

We were responding to your point that she's not avoiding mainstream media. To a certain extent, you are right, but we noted it was for her book tour. It doesn't change what her strategy, well recognized by others, has done.
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KatPw

01-11-2010, 01:19 PM

angrymissy

01-11-2010, 01:21 PM

This will be epic. I can't wait for her clips to appear on The Daily Show.

Their writers must be salivating over this

Serpico1103

01-11-2010, 01:22 PM

I am going to watch as much Fox as I can to catch this train wreck.

Furtherman

01-11-2010, 01:22 PM

This will be epic. I can't wait for her clips to appear on The Daily Show.

Agreed. This will gives us boatloads of comedy, and will finally kill any chance of her running for any type of office again.

underdog

01-11-2010, 01:24 PM

This will be epic. I can't wait for her clips to appear on The Daily Show.

Their writers must be salivating over this

On a show last week, Jon mentioned a time when his dog finally caught the squirrel and didn't know what to do with it and was sad. I think this may be similar.

KatPw

01-11-2010, 01:24 PM

Their writers must be salivating over this

It's like Christmas all over again!

Recyclerz

01-11-2010, 04:58 PM

Agreed. This will gives us boatloads of comedy, and will finally kill any chance of her running for any type of office again.

Agree with your first clause, not sure about your second. Some politicians (see Huckabee, Mike, et al.) take pundit gigs to make a little cash & keep their names in front of the public in order to run for office again. My feeling about Palin is that she's going to hint that she's running for office in order to be a big media star to her audience. I think she's savvy enough to realize that she's been handed a once in a lifetime opportunity to cash in on riches and fame if she works her act for an audience of lonely-guy Limbaugh listeners and Fox News watching zombies. I can't really fault her for that and I would get a few chortles if she winds up knocking such "intellectuals" as Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin out of the heavy rotation at Fox with her new gig.

Now it could also be that she is as bat-shit crazy as some say and see starts to believe her own carney act enough to think that she should be President. (see Dobbs, Lou)
I suspect she'd get kicked to the curb fairly quickly but, if not, Ron may get his wish to see somebody get close to the Presidency that really was crazy enough to jerk the steering wheel and turn it into oncoming traffic.

keithy_19

01-11-2010, 05:38 PM

Still would.

Furtherman

01-11-2010, 07:26 PM

She'll talk, therefore she'll nix any chance of smart Republicans backing her.

A.J.

01-12-2010, 02:31 AM

Former Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska has signed on as a contributor to the Fox News Channel.

Trig would probably have smarter opinions.

CurseoftheBambi

01-12-2010, 04:47 AM

i say we start a betting pool/poll to see how long before she quits.

anyone in? :clap:

EliSnow

01-12-2010, 05:07 AM

Agree with your first clause, not sure about your second. Some politicians (see Huckabee, Mike, et al.) take pundit gigs to make a little cash & keep their names in front of the public in order to run for office again. My feeling about Palin is that she's going to hint that she's running for office in order to be a big media star to her audience. I think she's savvy enough to realize that she's been handed a once in a lifetime opportunity to cash in on riches and fame if she works her act for an audience of lonely-guy Limbaugh listeners and Fox News watching zombies. I can't really fault her for that and I would get a few chortles if she winds up knocking such "intellectuals" as Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin out of the heavy rotation at Fox with her new gig.

Now it could also be that she is as bat-shit crazy as some say and see starts to believe her own carney act enough to think that she should be President. (see Dobbs, Lou)
I suspect she'd get kicked to the curb fairly quickly but, if not, Ron may get his wish to see somebody get close to the Presidency that really was crazy enough to jerk the steering wheel and turn it into oncoming traffic.

I think Furtherman's point is that during her stint there, she's going to say something or several things over time, that wil sink her chances of getting moderates/independents to support her, thus killing her chances of running for office again.

i say we start a betting pool/poll to see how long before she quits.

anyone in? :clap:

she's only signed up for a year right?

I think she'll last the entire time.

KnoxHarrington

01-12-2010, 07:29 AM

I think Furtherman's point is that during her stint there, she's going to say something or several things over time, that wil sink her chances of getting moderates/independents to support her, thus killing her chances of running for office again.

she's only signed up for a year right?

I think she'll last the entire time.

Yeah, I think this is pretty much her dream job. She started out in broadcasting, remember.

KatPw

01-12-2010, 09:39 AM

I think Furtherman's point is that during her stint there, she's going to say something or several things over time, that wil sink her chances of getting moderates/independents to support her, thus killing her chances of running for office again.

she's only signed up for a year right?

I think she'll last the entire time.

I believe an article I read stated it was a multi-year contract.

EliSnow

01-12-2010, 09:42 AM

I believe an article I read stated it was a multi-year contract.

It could be. I thought I saw a year, but I wasn't reviewing it closely.

Either way, I can see her sticking through such a gig, unless she leaves for poltical office.

I don't think she's going to do that, because I think this is the gig she really wants.

EliSnow

01-12-2010, 11:22 AM

More allegations about Palin from the book "Game Change" by New York magazine's John Heilemann and Time Magazine's Mark Halperin:

- that Sarah Palin believed Saddam Hussein to be behind the attacks on 9/11, didn't understand why North and South Korea were separate (the Korean War) and that she could not properly pronounce Joe Biden's name. The book contends that Palin was a mentally unstable person prone to wild mood swings, describing her being hopelessly lost in a "catatonic stupor" at one point during the campaign.

CurseoftheBambi

01-12-2010, 11:48 AM

:drunk: If real world were like BSG i'm betting she would be a Cylon...

Serpico1103

01-12-2010, 05:31 PM

More allegations about Palin from the book "Game Change" by New York magazine's John Heilemann and Time Magazine's Mark Halperin:

Quote:
- that Sarah Palin believed Saddam Hussein to be behind the attacks on 9/11, didn't understand why North and South Korea were separate (the Korean War) and that she could not properly pronounce Joe Biden's name. The book contends that Palin was a mentally unstable person prone to wild mood swings, describing her being hopelessly lost in a "catatonic stupor" at one point during the campaign.

Did they mean GWB?

hanso

01-13-2010, 10:08 PM

I am going to watch as much Fox as I can to catch this train wreck.

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CurseoftheBambi

01-14-2010, 09:38 AM

EliSnow

01-14-2010, 09:41 AM

and on the 2nd day of sarah palin at fox my true love sent to me...

a dumb fuck sarah not knowing any founding fathers...

http://wonkette.com/413180/sarah-palins-favorite-founding-father-is-naturally-all-of-them

:thumbup::tongue::lol::clap::thumbup::clap:

I say Trig is the smart one in the family...

I was eating at a bar last night and saw her on Glenn Beck.

I decided to spend my time on something more intelligent and reality-based, so I read the comic books I picked up yesterday instead of watching that.

CurseoftheBambi

01-14-2010, 10:47 AM

who says i watched her on that show ? LOL im smart and collect comics...got some good ones yesterday...BLACKEST NIGHT RULEZ...and sarah is a dumb :banning:

EliSnow

01-14-2010, 10:49 AM

who says i watched her on that show ? LOL im smart and collect comics...got some good ones yesterday...BLACKEST NIGHT RULEZ...and sarah is a dumb :banning:

I didn't mean to imply that you watched her. I was just going off of your post about her being on Glenn Beck.

JimBeam

01-15-2010, 08:50 AM

So I'm guessing that by the length of this thread yesterday's show was live.

The 1:00 AM replay this morning seems to be the Wednesday replay.

Any idea why that would be ?

Disregard, I thought I posted this in the 1/14/10 listening thread.

EliSnow

01-15-2010, 08:52 AM

So I'm guessing that by the length of this thread yesterday's show was live.

The 1:00 AM replay this morning seems to be the Wednesday replay.

Any idea why that would be ?

Um, wrong thread?

JimBeam

01-15-2010, 09:00 AM

As I was posting I wondered why the thread seemed to by Palin heavy.

My bad.

underdog

02-07-2010, 10:00 AM

Please never leave us, Sarah Palin. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html)

Closer inspection of a photo of Sarah Palin, during a speech in which she mocked President Obama for his use of a teleprompter, reveals several notes written on her left hand. The words "Energy", "Tax" and "Lift American Spirits" are clearly visible. There's also what appears to read as "Budget cuts" with the word Budget crossed out.

Ritalin

02-07-2010, 10:32 AM

I saw that. Cracks me up.

I watched some of her talk last night, because she preempted Lockup:Raw and I was flipping around. I think - and I'm honestly trying to be non partisan here - that she knows exactly what she's doing and is deeply cynical. I don't mean that she has a firm grasp on the issues, she doesn't seem to, but she definitely knows that for the base she's trying to establish it doesn't matter.

I think she's talking down to that crowd, and I don't think they get that.

mikeyboy

02-07-2010, 10:42 AM

Please never leave us, Sarah Palin. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/did-palin-use-crib-notes_b_452458.html)

She really is the gift that keeps on giving.

CurseoftheBambi

02-08-2010, 11:38 AM

http://comicbooth.com/images/palin_ants.gif

CurseoftheBambi

02-09-2010, 11:06 AM

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/139740/thumbs/s-TEA-PARTY-PALIN-large.jpg

brettmojo

02-09-2010, 11:08 AM

We're all doomed.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-09-2010, 11:24 AM

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/139740/thumbs/s-TEA-PARTY-PALIN-large.jpg

Well, can we admit that she can read?

Serpico1103

02-09-2010, 11:45 AM

Well, can we admit that she can read?

Conservatives are raising their standards?

CurseoftheBambi

02-09-2010, 11:56 AM

i sure do wish i wasn't blocked from commenting on her facebook cause ooooooooooooooo i would have some good ones to share with the cult of palin fans on that page!!!!!

WRESTLINGFAN

02-09-2010, 12:09 PM

i sure do wish i wasn't blocked from commenting on her facebook cause ooooooooooooooo i would have some good ones to share with the cult of palin fans on that page!!!!!

Now imagine if the 2 cult leaders got together?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vPeL-rnev2o/SQNKDRYr_2I/AAAAAAAADYI/oa4iO7GC0xg/s400/obama+palin

keithy_19

02-09-2010, 05:08 PM

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/139740/thumbs/s-TEA-PARTY-PALIN-large.jpg

This doesn't bother me. She jotted down key points on her hand. Whatever. Maybe it was right before she was going out and wanted to make sure not to forget it. Whatever.

The content of it you can criticize, but her with writing on her hand I think is really petty.

Serpico1103

02-09-2010, 05:10 PM

This doesn't bother me. She jotted down key points on her hand. Whatever. Maybe it was right before she was going out and wanted to make sure not to forget it. Whatever.

The content of it you can criticize, but her with writing on her hand I think is really petty.

I just find it strange. I don't want some autistic kid who can memorize as president. But, what is wrong with a paper and bullet points?
I see kids in school writing things on their hands. Doesn't seem very stateswoman-like.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-09-2010, 05:11 PM

keithy_19

02-09-2010, 05:20 PM

I just find it strange. I don't want some autistic kid who can memorize as president. But, what is wrong with a paper and bullet points?
I see kids in school writing things on their hands. Doesn't seem very stateswoman-like.

Maybe it was right before she went on and she just jotted them down and maybe no paper was available. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.

Serpico1103

02-09-2010, 05:22 PM

Maybe it was right before she went on and she just jotted them down and maybe no paper was available. I just don't think it's that big of a deal.

I think it is funny, but certainly not a big deal.
It is more distraction. The parties like when people focus on anything but the policies.

underdog

02-09-2010, 05:42 PM

Serpico1103

02-09-2010, 06:08 PM

She made fun of Obama for using a teleprompter while she was speaking.

Exactly. Does every American have a teleprompter? No. Does every American have a left hand? Yes, well the good ones do.
Obama is an elitist.

badmonkey

02-09-2010, 06:43 PM

She made fun of Obama for using a teleprompter while she was speaking.

He's got a teleprompter with entire speeches scrolling on them nearly every time he speaks in public anyone to anywhere. She had what, 7 words total scratched on her palm? That's the same thing exactly! The teleprompter thing is somewhat embarrassing maybe, but when you look at all the speeches he's made over the last year, it's also somewhat understandable that he can't memorize every speech he makes.

Is it worse to need every word you're gonna say scrolling in front of you in order to talk to people about things you truly understand and truly believe in or to have a couple words written down somewhere (even on a hand) in order to make sure you don't leave something out?

underdog

02-09-2010, 07:50 PM

He's got a teleprompter with entire speeches scrolling on them nearly every time he speaks in public anyone to anywhere. She had what, 7 words total scratched on her palm? That's the same thing exactly! The teleprompter thing is somewhat embarrassing maybe, but when you look at all the speeches he's made over the last year, it's also somewhat understandable that he can't memorize every speech he makes.

Is it worse to need every word you're gonna say scrolling in front of you in order to talk to people about things you truly understand and truly believe in or to have a couple words written down somewhere (even on a hand) in order to make sure you don't leave something out?

Write it on a piece of paper. She's not supposed to look like she's trying to cheat on an exam.

And she could use a teleprompter and some pre-written speeches.

It's also the words written down. I wonder if she had "breathe" and "blink" written on her other hand. "Tax"? "Energy"?

Serpico1103

02-09-2010, 07:54 PM

Is it worse to need every word you're gonna say scrolling in front of you in order to talk to people about things you truly understand and truly believe in or to have a couple words written down somewhere (even on a hand) in order to make sure you don't leave something out?

You understand the difference between "truly understand and truly believe in" and giving a speech, right?
It is not bad that she needed cues. The bad part is that she wrote them on her palm like a 6th grader cheating on a history exam.

I don't see the teleprompter being an issue. More of the Republican's "attack their strength" approach. Did Obama need a teleprompter to handle the Republican caucus?
Maybe someone needs to give her index cards.

epo

02-09-2010, 07:58 PM

badmonkey

02-09-2010, 08:09 PM

I hate the whole "teleprompter" shit. Every President of the United States has used a teleprompter since Eisenhower. And clearly this President doesn't need it, as he kicked the living shit of the House Republicans for 1.5 hours last week without one, live on C-Span.

He doesn't sound nearly as good without the prompter. You need audio software to edit out all the pauses and uh's and ums. That's almost exactly how he sounded for most of the 1.5 hrs while "kicking the living shit out of the House Republicans". He never stutters or stammers when he's blaming Bush. Once he gets on track with that, he's on a roll. I think it just takes him a few minutes to figure out how he's going to pull the 6 degrees to Bush connections out of his ass.

keithy_19

02-09-2010, 08:11 PM

CurseoftheBambi

02-10-2010, 05:37 AM

http://www.theburrowingowl.com/portal/stuff/palin-notes.png

He doesn't sound nearly as good without the prompter. You need audio software to edit out all the pauses and uh's and ums. That's almost exactly how he sounded for most of the 1.5 hrs while "kicking the living shit out of the House Republicans". He never stutters or stammers when he's blaming Bush. Once he gets on track with that, he's on a roll. I think it just takes him a few minutes to figure out how he's going to pull the 6 degrees to Bush connections out of his ass.

1) ill take a human uh ahd umms in a speech than a bushism, palinism. and its real easy to do a 6 degrees...the previous administration left you with such shit 1 year , and what 3 weeks ago? yeahhhhhhhhh i can see how easy that is.

CurseoftheBambi

02-10-2010, 05:39 AM

awwwwwwwww why does fox nation hate Robert Gibbs for expressing his freedom of speech...

http://www.thefoxnation.com/politics/2010/02/09/gibbs-mocks-palins-hand-notes

plenty of fun and fail in that thread.:lol:

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 05:40 AM

Write it on a piece of paper. She's not supposed to look like she's trying to cheat on an exam.

And she could use a teleprompter and some pre-written speeches.

It's also the words written down. I wonder if she had "breathe" and "blink" written on her other hand. "Tax"? "Energy"?

Maybe someone needs to give her index cards.

X2.

She's a former governor of a state. Be professional.

Lawyers use outlines and notes all the time. Can you imagine what you'd think if you saw your lawyer arguing in front of a judge or jury and looking at notes on her hand?

WRESTLINGFAN

02-10-2010, 05:55 AM

angrymissy

02-10-2010, 06:36 AM

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 06:47 AM

Palin has used a teleprompter a shitload of times as well as printed out speeches.

And these dumb rubes fall for it when she criticizes Obama for using one?

The teleprompter stuff is the dumbest thing ever, along with the "OBAMA THINKS THERE ARE 58 STATES" crap. Glenn Beck did a whole clip on that the other day (DAMN YOU RIGHT WING DOCTORS OFFICE!).

It's part of the mindset that if you spot a perceived weakness/flaw in your political opponent, suddenly that flaw is the biggest thing in the world and must be exploited.

Never mind that your own political bedfellows may be subject to the same flaw.

WRESTLINGFAN

02-10-2010, 06:50 AM

Palin has used a teleprompter a shitload of times as well as printed out speeches.

And these dumb rubes fall for it when she criticizes Obama for using one?

The teleprompter stuff is the dumbest thing ever, along with the "OBAMA THINKS THERE ARE 58 STATES" crap. Glenn Beck did a whole clip on that the other day (DAMN YOU RIGHT WING DOCTORS OFFICE!).

To Barry's credit it was 57 states

Is it safe to say that he isn't a fan of the Dems healthcare bill?

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 07:12 AM

It's part of the mindset that if you spot a perceived weakness/flaw in your political opponent, suddenly that flaw is the biggest thing in the world and must be exploited.

Never mind that your own political bedfellows may be subject to the same flaw.

I think it is the opposite. Obama's speaking abilities were seen as a strength. In Bush/Kerry, they went after Kerry's strength; his war record. That is the new republican strategy.
Attack your opponents strength. If Fox tells the rubes that he can't speak. It becomes the truth. The teleprompter gives them the sliver of legitimacy to do it.

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 07:59 AM

I think it is the opposite. Obama's speaking abilities were seen as a strength. In Bush/Kerry, they went after Kerry's strength; his war record. That is the new republican strategy.
Attack your opponents strength. If Fox tells the rubes that he can't speak. It becomes the truth. The teleprompter gives them the sliver of legitimacy to do it.

But the Teleprompter becomes the "flaw" to these people. The argument is that he can't speak well without it.

Ignoring that teleprompters are used by virtually everyone.

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 08:08 AM

But the Teleprompter becomes the "flaw" to these people. The argument is that he can't speak well without it.
Ignoring that teleprompters are used by virtually everyone.

They turned Kerry's purple hearts into a disadvantage. Ignoring that Bush hid in the US during his tenure.
I think it is a calculated strategy to find the strengths and attack them. Attacking the weaknesses is a waste of time. They are already accepted as weaknesses.

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 08:31 AM

They turned Kerry's purple hearts into a disadvantage. Ignoring that Bush hid in the US during his tenure.
I think it is a calculated strategy to find the strengths and attack them. Attacking the weaknesses is a waste of time. They are already accepted as weaknesses.

It goes beyond attacking strengths. It goes to attacking anything they can twist into a flaw/weakness.

For instance, Obama's use of the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" during the election. Or his staff member quoting Mao.

In both instances, people on the right jumped on the speakers for saying that, and not realizing or ignoring outright that people on the right used the same phrase or quoted Mao in the past.

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 08:42 AM

It goes beyond attacking strengths. It goes to attacking anything they can twist into a flaw/weakness.
For instance, Obama's use of the phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" during the election. Or his staff member quoting Mao.
In both instances, people on the right jumped on the speakers for saying that, and not realizing or ignoring outright that people on the right used the same phrase or quoted Mao in the past.

It is easy to lead binary thinking, uneducated masses. They ignored Bush's "service" record, Cheney's deferments.
Both parties use tactics to distract from the issues. I do believe right wing radio, followed by Fox news, raised it to a new level.

SonOfSmeagol

02-10-2010, 09:14 AM

And these dumb rubes fall for it when she criticizes Obama for using one?

If Fox tells the rubes that he can't speak. It becomes the truth.

It is easy to lead binary thinking, uneducated masses.

Once again, the “brainwashed rubes” theory.

So, politics aside, do you realize just how condescending you sound? What exactly makes your viewpoint more valuable than the next person - ANY person?

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 09:24 AM

It is easy to lead binary thinking, uneducated masses. They ignored Bush's "service" record, Cheney's deferments.
Both parties use tactics to distract from the issues. I do believe right wing radio, followed by Fox news, raised it to a new level.

Once again, the “brainwashed rubes” theory.
So, politics aside, do you realize just how condescending you sound? What exactly makes your viewpoint more valuable than the next person - ANY person?

I guess you missed that.

What makes my viewpoint more valuable? My education, upbringing, social status, and all round good looks.

And, I don't get my opinion from a show that puts up Republican talking points as the host reads them off. I stay away from all opinion/news shows. They are all pushing an agenda.
Are you denying that anyone is spoon fed their opinion from this shows?

angrymissy

02-10-2010, 09:26 AM

Once again, the “brainwashed rubes” theory.

So, politics aside, do you realize just how condescending you sound? What exactly makes your viewpoint more valuable than the next person - ANY person?

Let's take a look at the situation:

Palin uses a teleprompter.

Palin then attacks Obama for using a teleprompter.

Sorry, anyone who then applauds her for that is a fucking rube in my book. Call me "condescending" all you want.

SonOfSmeagol

02-10-2010, 10:13 AM

Are you denying that anyone is spoon fed their opinion from this shows?

You are the one (among others) apparently making the assertion that a significant number of people (politics aside) are "spoon fed their opinion", and have yet to prove it.

That said, I think the human mind makes it so everyone is capable of forming and holding an opinion – regardless of your elitist view of just how valuable that opinion is. While lots of people are no doubt comfortable with being told what to DO, it’s up to you to categorize those people who are comfortable with being told what to THINK.

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 10:23 AM

You are the one (among others) apparently making the assertion that a significant number of people (politics aside) are "spoon fed their opinion", and have yet to prove it.

That said, I think the human mind makes it so everyone is capable of forming and holding an opinion – regardless of your elitist view of just how valuable that opinion is. While lots of people are no doubt comfortable with being told what to DO, it’s up to you to categorize those people who are comfortable with being told what to THINK.

Everyone is capable of holding an opinion, and is entitled to have an opinon, but that doesn't mean that everyone's opinion is equally valid or valuable.

And that's not an elitist thought. That's reality.

Do you think that when it comes to car trouble, the opinion of someone with no training or experience in auto mechanics is equally as valuable as someone who spent their life dealing with cars?

Do you think that when it comes to world politics, someone with no education and/or little knowledge about the governments, histories, etc of other countries or other people is equally as valuable as someone who spent their life studying it?

Some people are smarter than others on certain subjects. Some people have more experience than others.

To say that no one can have a viewpoint that is more valuable than anothers is ridiculous.

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 10:27 AM

You are the one (among others) apparently making the assertion that a significant number of people (politics aside) are "spoon fed their opinion", and have yet to prove it.

That said, I think the human mind makes it so everyone is capable of forming and holding an opinion – regardless of your elitist view of just how valuable that opinion is. While lots of people are no doubt comfortable with being told what to DO, it’s up to you to categorize those people who are comfortable with being told what to THINK.

Polls show that many people (a believe a majority or close) that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Contrary to all evidence.
Rubes?
How many people go to a church to pray to a man in the sky. Yet, they have not read the bible. Read the original bible. Learned the context of when the bible was written. Should I consider them critical thinkers?
I know you love the right line of "the left thinks you are dumb, but we will embrace you and protect you from those ivory tower elitists." But, that is just hook to reel in rubes.
Do they have the right to vote? Yes
Are they controlled by misinformation? Yes. We all are, some to a greater extent than others.
Is it cheaper for a campaign to go after dullards or critical thinkers? Where would you focus your TV show for bigger ratings? After people who want real information to analyze or people who like snazzy graphics and simple "truths."

SonOfSmeagol

02-10-2010, 10:44 AM

Everyone is capable of holding an opinion, and is entitled to have an opinon, but that doesn't mean that everyone's opinion is equally valid or valuable.

And that's not an elitist thought. That's reality.

Do you think that when it comes to car trouble, the opinion of someone with no training or experience in auto mechanics is equally as valuable as someone who spent their life dealing with cars?

Do you think that when it comes to world politics, someone with no education and/or little knowledge about the governments, histories, etc of other countries or other people is equally as valuable as someone who spent their life studying it?

Some people are smarter than others on certain subjects. Some people have more experience than others.

To say that no one can have a viewpoint that is more valuable than anothers is ridiculous.

Interesting. So, by those measures Dick Cheney's political viewpoint is clearly more valuable than yours, is it not?

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 10:51 AM

Interesting. So, by those measures Dick Cheney's political viewpoint is clearly more valuable than yours, is it not?

To a third party of course Cheney's opinion would be more valuable.
But, then you look to someone of Cheney's level giving an opposing opinion.
Next, as a critical thinker you analyze their positions and arrive at your own opinion.

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 10:51 AM

Interesting. So, by those measures Dick Cheney's political viewpoint is clearly more valuable than yours, is it not?

If I were to debate Dick Cheney, I would have to admit that he has more experience and knowledge about certain things, and on those things yes, his opinion would be more credible than mine.

Now it doesn't mean that he's correct and I'm not, but he certainly would have more credibilty than I would. Especially when it comes to aspects where his experience matters. If it's a more subjective viewpoint, such as whether it's better for the country to be conservative or liberal, it wouldn't matter as much.

It's why we ask our candidates what their experience and knowledge of certain things critical to the position they are seeking.

This is pretty much common sense here.

But if he says something that is doesn't make sense, and against what others of his level are saying, such as when he said Saddam was involved with 9/11, and everyone else, including the official White House position is that he wasn't, then that throws his credibility off.

SonOfSmeagol

02-10-2010, 10:53 AM

Polls show that many people (a believe a majority or close) that Iraq was involved in 9/11. Contrary to all evidence.
Rubes?
How many people go to a church to pray to a man in the sky. Yet, they have not read the bible. Read the original bible. Learned the context of when the bible was written. Should I consider them critical thinkers?
I know you love the right line of "the left thinks you are dumb, but we will embrace you and protect you from those ivory tower elitists." But, that is just hook to reel in rubes.
Do they have the right to vote? Yes
Are they controlled by misinformation? Yes. We all are, some to a greater extent than others.
Is it cheaper for a campaign to go after dullards or critical thinkers? Where would you focus your TV show for bigger ratings? After people who want real information to analyze or people who like snazzy graphics and simple "truths."

Highlighted my favorite part. Even though I never said that. In fact, what I said was the total opposite.

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 11:00 AM

Highlighted my favorite part. Even though I never said that. In fact, what I said was the total opposite.

Not really. You asserted that the people Serpico was making mocking had equally valid viewpoints and that Serpico was being elitist.

So I don't think that's the "total opposite."

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 11:00 AM

Highlighted my favorite part. Even though I never said that. In fact, what I said was the total opposite.

What did you say, that was opposite?

People enjoy the comfort of being told what to do, how to do it, and what to think.
People like simple answers. Sorry, if that some how offends you. Or makes me into an "elitist." It is a psychological fact.

SonOfSmeagol

02-10-2010, 02:52 PM

Not really. You asserted that the people Serpico was making mocking had equally valid viewpoints and that Serpico was being elitist.

So I don't think that's the "total opposite."

What did you say, that was opposite?

People enjoy the comfort of being told what to do, how to do it, and what to think.
People like simple answers. Sorry, if that some how offends you. Or makes me into an "elitist." It is a psychological fact.

I should have said "I didn’t say that" and left it at that - that was the basic message and I was trying to keep this non-partisan.

I’m glad that you think the "rubes" have the right to vote. However, the view that your vote is somehow more valuable than others is a pretty good fit with “elitism”. In your world how many “rubes” would it take to equal one of you?

EliSnow

02-10-2010, 03:05 PM

I should have said "I didn’t say that" and left it at that - that was the basic message and I was trying to keep this non-partisan.

I’m glad that you think the "rubes" have the right to vote. However, the view that your vote is somehow more valuable than others is a pretty good fit with “elitism”. In your world how many “rubes” would it take to equal one of you?

Who said the vote was more valuable? One person equals one vote. No one is trying to take away or devalue people's votes.

The point is that some people viewpoints clearly don't make sense or are not as valuable as others. As angrymissy pointed out, anyone criticizing Obama for using a teleprompter and praises Palin clearly has a skewed viewpoint that doesn't make sense.

Also, opinion/viewpoints are not able to be added up to equal something. If one million people have the opinion that the earth is flat, those viewpoints will never be equal to the opinion of one who says it's round.

Serpico1103

02-10-2010, 03:06 PM

I should have said "I didn’t say that" and left it at that - that was the basic message and I was trying to keep this non-partisan.
I’m glad that you think the "rubes" have the right to vote. However, the view that your vote is somehow more valuable than others is a pretty good fit with “elitism”. In your world how many “rubes” would it take to equal one of you?

It is a basic algorithm. Miles south of the Mason Dixon line plus how many teeth they have, divided by years spent out of a trailer. Added to total number of hours agreeing to a Fox opinion show in an average week multiplied by how books per year they read not written by a Fox news personality. That is the relative weight of their vote.

So, in your world. Everyone makes decisions based on perfect knowledge? No one is easily swayed by cheap marketing tricks?