~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[WRESTLINGFAN]

God led him to SoCal, It wasnt the money


:wallbash::wallbash::wallbash:


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/16402612/pujols-arrival-in-anaheim-perhaps-a-call-from-higher-up

[A.J.]

I thought God was busy helping Tebow win. Who knew He is also a baseball agent?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

God's one hell of a multitasker.

[cougarjake13]

Hell yeh he is have u looked around?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I see the connection. God sends him to Anaheim, its now baseball heaven and the team has Angels being paid in dollars which reads in God we trust.

[A.J.]

I see the connection. God sends him to Anaheim, its now baseball heaven and the team has Angels being paid in dollars which reads in God we trust.

And there are lots of guys out there named Jesus.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And there are lots of guys out there named Jesus.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[spoon]

:wallbash:

[hanso]

D-Train Coming to Philly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mrs Pujols weighs in


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7346376/albert-pujols-wife-deidre-explains-why-los-angeles-angels-slugger-left-st-louis-cardinals


Wow shes as hardcore christian as Albert

[spoon]

D-Train Coming to Philly.

worth a shot

[spoon]

Mrs Pujols weighs in


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7346376/albert-pujols-wife-deidre-explains-why-los-angeles-angels-slugger-left-st-louis-cardinals


Wow shes as hardcore christian as Albert

when it suits them

[hanso]

worth a shot

He has looked good coming back.

[spoon]

"It's just like God," she said at the end of the interview, "to put us on a team called the Angels."

Isn't SAINT Louis named after canonized King Louis IX?! Isn't just like God though Dierde!? WTF does that even mean? You have a pysch rundown on God and his mysterious ways? Cute.

[cougarjake13]

Fuck him he suld be praying to jobu

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Does god get his 10% cut like Lozano did?

[spoon]

Does god get his 10% cut like Lozano did?

if by God you mean hookers...and if by 10% you mean 60%


then yes (Lozano's cut...the other 40% goes to repay Arod)

[epo]

So the latest rumor is that Braun wasn't on roids, rather the positive was caused by herpes medication.

I might never stop laughing.

[spoon]

So the latest rumor is that Braun wasn't on roids, rather the positive was caused by herpes medication.

I might never stop laughing.

oh my God

how the fuck do you save face even if true


the roid heckling will now be joined by valtrex and herp jokes!

[Kevin]

oh my God

how the fuck do you save face even if true


the roid heckling will now be joined by valtrex and herp jokes!

HERPES SEEDS!!!

[Snoogans]

Bahahahahahahaha

[Snoogans]

i seriously woulda rather taken the 50 game suspension and let people think i was on roids than tell the entire country it was herpes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Oy Vey !!!!

[cougarjake13]

Hilarious although now people who have it can say they got brauns

[spoon]

now in non-herpes news...

This afternoon a pair of posts showed up purporting to give odds on the likelihood of clubs acquiring the two key free agents still available, Yu Darvish and Prince Fielder. And while I'm not sure why anyone would take the "odds" seriously, they're at least an indication of industry buzz-- or, in the case of the piece on Fielder, what Scott Boras is telling Jon Heyman he wants the industry buzz to be.

At his new digs at CBS Sports, Heyman handicaps the race for Fielder, putting the Jays at 8-1, behind the favoured Rangers, Cubs and Mariners. "Everyone says they have lots of loot to spend," he says. "Upper management isn't sending signals that they are going to make this kind of purchase (though they are believed to have made a strong play for Japanese pitcher Yu Darvish), but they are said to be thinking long and hard about Fielder. The combo with Jose Bautista is enticing."

And Heyman does believe that the Jays, along with the Rangers, mad "serious bids" for Yu Darvish, while noting that the Yankees bid was supposedly modest. He tweets, however, that the ol' mystery team may be involved as well.

At Heyman's old stomping ground, Sports Illustrated, the Jays are listed as the odds on favourite for the Japanese ace, coming in at 5-2 in the mind of Franz Linz, whoever that is.

"The interest is there: Late this summer Blue Jays GM Alex Anthopoulos flew to Japan to personally scout Darvish," he writes. "The money is there: The Blue Jays have the game's wealthiest owner in Rogers Communications, and insist that they have no compunction about spending once the team is a contender. Not only are the Jays clear of the preposterous salaries of Vernon Wells and Alex Rios, but Darvish would not count against the luxury tax."

And he adds that "the need is there: Signing Darvish won't automatically make Toronto a World Series contender, but it could take them a step closer."

So... there's that.



WTF!? :wacko:

me thinks some writers are going crazy, not to mention where did this "money" suddenly come from? the acquisition of the Leafs? and before you answer, I know how big Rogers is up there (not Aaron epo sorry). who by the way I heard has the clap. :clap:

[underdog]

now in non-herpes news...



WTF!? :wacko:

me thinks some writers are going crazy, not to mention where did this "money" suddenly come from? the acquisition of the Leafs? and before you answer, I know how big Rogers is up there (not Aaron epo sorry). who by the way I heard has the clap. :clap:

Rogers is SO EXPENSIVE, too. Up until recently, they basically had a monopoly on cell phones and cable/internet. They sell shitty blackberrys to their customers with zero incentives, so they make a shit ton of money off those, too. It's such a fucking racket, it makes perfect sense that they're the richest owner in MLB.

[spoon]

Rogers is SO EXPENSIVE, too. Up until recently, they basically had a monopoly on cell phones and cable/internet. They sell shitty blackberrys to their customers with zero incentives, so they make a shit ton of money off those, too. It's such a fucking racket, it makes perfect sense that they're the richest owner in MLB.

I know they're up there in the rankings, and plenty say they are now more willing to spend as the team has done a great job rebuilding it's system and scouting department over the last few years. Still, you know they won't spend more than they take in with the team and I don't blame anyone for that. Sure you can work that line and take a loss here and there as long as it's heading in the right direction and will help drive tv contracts, ads and other revenue generating ties.

This is the reason I really believe the Jays are looking into Darvish. The mere increase in the asian fandom drawing from a long, large untapped asian/Japanese market up there may make it worth it. On top of that, just imagine all the rev they'd get from ads and the likes alone. For me, it's a team finally living up to the Rogers money we all heard of for a few years now finally coming to some fruition, and a 1-3 level pitcher, hopefully a 1 in the end.

I just hate the difs bt balls and leagues making it so tough on Japanese pitchers coming over. I'm sure he's not going to be another Igawa, but the Jays can't even afford him to be a Dice K either. He'd have to be one of the best to come over for him to make a big enough impact in the rotation for the Jays in the f'n AL East. Yet the 2nd WC spot helps too.

[spoon]

http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tumblr_l1irmqw47H1qb7zfbo1_500.jpeg

Jays may have won this bid...which explains Darvish's tears.

[hanso]

The Minnesota Twins welcomed former A's outfielder Josh Willingham to the team Thursday, a move that could prompt Michael Cuddyer's departure.

[cougarjake13]

They both suck

[A.J.]

i seriously woulda rather taken the 50 game suspension and let people think i was on roids than tell the entire country it was herpes.

Even Magic Johnson is laughing at Braun.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tumblr_l1irmqw47H1qb7zfbo1_500.jpeg

Jays may have won this bid...which explains Darvish's tears.

Glad the Yankees didnt sink tens of millions down a Japanese rat hole.

Irabu Bust
Igawa Bust.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Struggles of Japanese pitchers in MLB


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/cliff_corcoran/12/16/yu.darvish.japanese.players/index.html

[Kevin]

http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tumblr_l1irmqw47H1qb7zfbo1_500.jpeg

Jays may have won this bid...which explains Darvish's tears.

Damn those Yankees and their international players and big FA signing.

THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!

[spoon]

that post/joke is soooo bad, i fully expected you to submit it

[spoon]

Congratu-fucking-lations ex-pitcher and apparently New York Yankee cock-gobbler Jeff Nelson, for your world-beating MLB Network Yankee knob-shining analysis of the rumours that the Jays have won the bidding for Yu Darvish.

"Well, once you've read that the Blue Jays could have blown everybody out of the water, for one reason-- like you've said-- is to get the Yankees off of him," he crowed.

"With Toronto, you just mentioned, Joe, if they go and they win the posting, they have no intentions of signing him, probably," he added. "In spending that money you're talking, it's up where Matsuzaka was, that's over $100-million. You got $50- or $60- or whatever it costs for this posting fee for Darvish, and now you're going to have to sign this guy probably to another $50- or $60-million deal, so I can't see Toronto doing that. So they probably did for a little bit of a gamesmanship, playing a little poker, and saying, 'you know what, I don't have any intention, but I'm keeping him away from everybody else," and then he goes back to Japan because those thirty days are up and it's over."

Thankfully for fans of sanity, Joe Sheehan was there next to him to remind Nelson that the Jays, while maybe not a high payroll club, are certainly a deep-pocketed one. Though he didn't quite go as far as I might have in, y'know, curbstomping Nelson in his ridiculous fucking moron-place.

See for yourself...



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[spoon]

I've heard this tossed around hear and there, and almost hope it's true just to fuck with this AWFUL system and the powers that be (MLB, Japanese bb and the usual big market suspect teams). Still, I think that UGLY MOTHER FUCKER Nelson is wrong and just can't help himself with any Yankee tie. How the fuck/why did he get a a gig with MLB?

[Kevin]

that post/joke is soooo bad, i fully expected you to submit it

Damn right you did!!

[spoon]

wait, Sailor in 10 years played for the Jays in the 70's?


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2474161/royhowellnologo_medium.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.giantrobot.com/wp-media-uploads/tumblr_l1irmqw47H1qb7zfbo1_500.jpeg

Jays may have won this bid...which explains Darvish's tears.

http://www.salem-news.com/stimg/january262008/crying-indian_349.jpg

[spoon]

bonds got 30 days house arrest and 2 years probation and 250 hours of com service for being a lying juice head

prosecution wanted 15 months of prison so they had their asses handed to them bc Bonds made such a great case and clearly wasn't lying...wait what? oh yah, lawyers/money = get off

oh and the kicker is the appeal is in and right now we're probably looking at less mansion arrest and all for the macy's day parade float

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Punishment fits the crime. He didnt kill anyone or cause injury. He took substances that inflated his numbers.

[spoon]

Punishment fits the crime. He didnt kill anyone or cause injury. He took substances that inflated his numbers.

no, he made a mockery of the system/spit in its face by lying

punishment does not fit the crime bc any of us would be sitting in a cell months ago

[underdog]

no, he made a mockery of the system/spit in its face by lying

punishment does not fit the crime bc any of us would be sitting in a cell months ago

If any of us were in his situation, we'd probably have about as much money as he does and would probably have received the same sentence.

[spoon]

If any of us were in his situation, we'd probably have about as much money as he does and would probably have received the same sentence.

no dummy, lied to a grand jury/obstruction of justice in any case, not if we were magically put into his body freaky friday style

dj suck slut! (I think you should do weddings w/ that name.)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

At the end of the day Bonds is still a very wealthy man and Im not shedding any tears for him. Saying that his other punishment is the fact that 20 years in baseball , 7 MVPs and 762 HR's never happened. He has no legacy in SF, his # will not be retired and he wont go in the HoF. I think thats going to loom over his head for the rest of his life knowing that

[epo]

wait, Sailor in 10 years played for the Jays in the 70's?


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2474161/royhowellnologo_medium.jpg

I'm not gonna sit here and tolerate anyone making fun of former Brewer Roy Howell.

[spoon]

MLB.com takes another hack at analyzing the potential move, and this time they get it right, removing the ridiculous Jeff Nelson, and replacing him with Rick Peterson, who likes the move a lot for the Jays, and notes his friend John Farrell's experience when Dice-K came over, and that fact that the then-Red Sox pitching coach learned some Japanese in order to work with him. Joe Sheehan revisits the notion that the Jays may simply be blocking other clubs, rightly dismissing it as "silly."


It's amazing the difference in reporting when it's unbiased and well thought out. While Rick did cover a lot of pros and cons of the player on the field coming from Japan, they failed to show the ups a team gets off the field in revenue, especially in a good untapped asian market like Toronto. I'm quite sure even Boston got it's money back over the contract and some good/some bad on the field. The Yanks though got torched and it's always a possibility with pitchers from Japan until things get more consistent bt leagues.

Yet in the final topic they cover Joe Sheehan perplexes me in a big way. They were discussing who has the best staff IF the Jays get Darvish, after the Rays of course. He argued the Sox over the Jays rightfully so bc our back end (3) would be from 4 relatively unprovens for different reasons. McGowan bc of injury, Morrow bc of inconsistency, Alverez bc he's young and Cecil bc he's young and inconsistent still. Boston would have two good to greats at 1/2 and then some similar issues 3-5, but still stronger on paper thus far I agree. However, he than goes on to say the Yanks are clearly number 2 bc of Nova (hardly proven yet even though he looks good, but #2?), AJ (wow he makes Morrow look consistent) and the youth of the Killer B's coming?!! WHAT?! So they are great up and coming pitching that sends them past both the Jays and Sox, but the youth on the Jays is a reason they aren't above them both? Talk about believing hype in one area and looking the other way in another. Nice arguments deek! :wacko:

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[cougarjake13]

wait, Sailor in 10 years played for the Jays in the 70's?


http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2474161/royhowellnologo_medium.jpg



Looks like triple h

[Earlshog]

Phils, Jimmy Rollins reach deal

The Philadelphia Phillies have reached agreement with shortstop Jimmy Rollins on a three-year, $33-million contract, according to a baseball source. The contract also contains a vesting option for a fourth year worth $11 million, the source said.

[Snacks]

Phils, Jimmy Rollins reach deal

The Philadelphia Phillies have reached agreement with shortstop Jimmy Rollins on a three-year, $33-million contract, according to a baseball source. The contract also contains a vesting option for a fourth year worth $11 million, the source said.

I would rather have a slightly older Rollins for this contract then a younger but always injured and overrated Reyes at his contract value. The more I look at that Reyes signing the more pissed I get and Im not a Marlins fan.

[spoon]

I would rather have a slightly older Rollins for this contract then a younger but always injured and overrated Reyes at his contract value. The more I look at that Reyes signing the more pissed I get and Im not a Marlins fan.

the heat down there can't be a bad thing for his hammies though

we will see soon enough, but man his speed and talent aren't really in question so that's a good start.

[cougarjake13]

was there much demand for rollins ?? i hadnt heard any 3 yrs seems like a lot

[hanso]

the heat down there can't be a bad thing for his hammies though

we will see soon enough, but man his speed and talent aren't really in question so that's a good start.

That is the good spin. Two speedsters leading off followed by 4-5 good bats if Lo-Mo can get healthy or is not traded for an arm. The # 5 spot is suspect.


Sports radio ranted today that the contracts are backloaded. The ones running things will turn profit then have a sell off.


Well it might be a few good years of fun here if there is any truth to this.

[cougarjake13]

Sports radio ranted today that the contracts are backloaded. The ones running things will turn profit then have a sell off.


Well it might be a few good years of fun here if there is any truth to this.

referring to the marlins im guessing

[hanso]

referring to the marlins im guessing

Yeah look up I had to redo the post a bunch of times. Are you into joining my nba leauge? Seemed like you were, not to goad you but others should follow if you do.

[spoon]

It's amazing the difference in reporting when it's unbiased and well thought out. While Rick did cover a lot of pros and cons of the player on the field coming from Japan, they failed to show the ups a team gets off the field in revenue, especially in a good untapped asian market like Toronto. I'm quite sure even Boston got it's money back over the contract and some good/some bad on the field. The Yanks though got torched and it's always a possibility with pitchers from Japan until things get more consistent bt leagues.

Acknowledging that revenue from overseas broadcast rights and merchandise sales is pooled and split by all Major League clubs, Blair explains that "still, the Wall Street Journal reported in 2009 that the New York Yankees generated $20-million in sponsorships with Japanese companies because of Hideki Matsui’s presence. And using figures provided by Forbes magazine, the Hardball Times showed that in Ichiro Suzuki’s rookie season, the Seattle Mariners saw revenue jump by $27-million from the previous year, compared to a $6-million increase for the five teams that had been closest to the Mariners in 2000."


Being that these are only one year looks, one can see the nice financial impacts with the scenario over time no less. So it may cost 40-50 to get him in the first place, it seems they pay themselves off in 2 years. Now if the kid reaps rewards on the field too, then I'll be happy even if the process is pretty shitty overall.

[cougarjake13]

Yeah look up I had to redo the post a bunch of times. Are you into joining my nba leauge? Seemed like you were, not to goad you but others should follow if you do.



AnYone join yet ?

[hanso]

Being that these are only one year looks, one can see the nice financial impacts with the scenario over time no less. So it may cost 40-50 to get him in the first place, it seems they pay themselves off in 2 years. Now if the kid reaps rewards on the field too, then I'll be happy even if the process is pretty shitty overall.

2 years also the time these pitchers have done well initially from the report I saw.

[cougarjake13]

Dice k was pretty good that first yr when they won world series
Not so much since

[hanso]

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This thing is real. When home runs are made it goes off. It is 70 ft. tall dead center field 422 ft away.

[spoon]

the only thing uglier than the Marlin's new logos and unis?

wait until Reyes hits a home run after flying out 43 times first!

You get this gem!

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/739480/marlins.gif

you mean this!?

Grrrr! :furious:

[A.J.]

Pity there will be nobody in the stands to see it.

[realmenhatelife]

was there much demand for rollins ?? i hadnt heard any 3 yrs seems like a lot

There was talk that the Giants might want him, and the Brewers and Cards both needed shortstops. He wanted a 5 year deal, and obviously they backed way off of that. I think he's worth what he got, his defense will still be there, I wish they'd stop treating him like a leadoff man.

[hanso]

you mean this!?

Grrrr! :furious:

Looked for that a long time couldn't find it. Didn't know what it ment back then.

[hanso]

Pity there will be nobody in the stands to see it.

Yeah who would go to a new stadium

[A.J.]

Yeah who would go to a new stadium

Right, those "die-hard" baseball fans in Florida.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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This thing is real. When home runs are made it goes off. It is 70 ft. tall dead center field 422 ft away.

Would be more appropriate if they were the Mumbai Marlins

[cougarjake13]

Right, those "die-hard" baseball fans in Florida.



For a few minutes they're die hards

[brettmojo]

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This thing is real. When home runs are made it goes off. It is 70 ft. tall dead center field 422 ft away.
I immediately thought of this for some reason seeing that...

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[hanso]

Would be more appropriate if they were the Mumbai Marlins

That gif looked Hindu to me also and distracted me from what it was for.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Take me out to the ballgame will be performed via Sittar

Maybe the Marlins can get a Bollywood actress to sing the national anthem on opening day

[cougarjake13]

And the pa announcer job will be outsourced to new Delhi

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hot dogs will be banned


In honor of the hindu gods, There will be Bobbleheads day

If the scoreboard goes out of whack, they will have to wait a long time for tech support.

[cougarjake13]

Rumor is the team name and mascot are switching from marlins to cows

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A game vs the Sikhs would be bloody

[Kevin]

Sorrry Spoon.

You came in not 1st again...

http://espn.go.com/dallas/mlb/story/_/id/7371152/texas-rangers-acquire-rights-negotiate-yu-darvish

[spoon]

yah, most had him going to Texas for the last few days now too

oh well, perhaps well just have an anime convention in the CN Tower

[Snoogans]

yah, most had him going to Texas for the last few days now too

oh well, perhaps well just have an anime convention in the CN Tower

you better get Ranma 1/2 (actual name). Greatest Anime show ever made


for disclosure, its the ONLY anime show i ever watched. I dont really like anime. but when i was in 8th grade someone lent me the series on VHS. it was fuckin whacked out. It was almost as awesome as when i was high as shit and watched the labrynth with david bowie for the first time ever. man

[spoon]

as long as it doesn't run Rogers over 51 million then my guess is sure!

a little DBZ, Death Note, Bleach, Inuyasha and many many more

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Other than objecting to get Soriano, Cashman made another smart move by not outbidding other teams for Darvish.


In 3 years he wil be another Dice K

[cougarjake13]

If he helps the rangers get a title like dice k then I don't think they'll mind

[spoon]

Other than objecting to get Soriano, Cashman made another smart move by not outbidding other teams for Darvish.


In 3 years he wil be another Dice K

The thing is, Dice K paid off early on the field and off. Sure it looks bad, but the money trail says he was still worth it. Now comparing him to say lining up CC or something, well yah perhaps it could have been better on the field. Still, the rev jump is clear and easily covered the posting/contract fee.

As for Darvish, he projects MUCH better than any Japanese pitcher I've seen in my mind. His velocity is higher, his pitches translate better to the MLB, he's had great success on the world stage and of course his size is a huge help too (most Japanese pitchers are smaller and get some early only advantages from weird deliveries that eventually go away).

I think Darvish will be pretty good. Not sure if a #1, but more a 1b/2? Yet in Texas, I just don't see him being so accepted in that fucking hole of a state so it might have an impact versus other more liberal/open areas of the US/Canada. I may be off here, but just a thought/factor to consider.

[Kevin]

The thing is, Dice K paid off early on the field and off. Sure it looks bad, but the money trail says he was still worth it. Now comparing him to say lining up CC or something, well yah perhaps it could have been better on the field. Still, the rev jump is clear and easily covered the posting/contract fee.

As for Darvish, he projects MUCH better than any Japanese pitcher I've seen in my mind. His velocity is higher, his pitches translate better to the MLB, he's had great success on the world stage and of course his size is a huge help too (most Japanese pitchers are smaller and get some early only advantages from weird deliveries that eventually go away).

I think Darvish will be pretty good. Not sure if a #1, but more a 1b/2? Yet in Texas, I just don't see him being so accepted in that fucking hole of a state so it might have an impact versus other more liberal/open areas of the US/Canada. I may be off here, but just a thought/factor to consider.

He may be good but too many Japanese pitchers have flopped, and 2 for the Yankees at high prices.

So I can't really blame them.

With that being said, The Yankee pitching staff is probably bottom tier in both leagues this year.

And thats even if Nova progresses.


I'm not expecting anything from them this year as presently constituted.

[cougarjake13]

Theyll still contend for division and wild card

[Kevin]

Theyll still contend for division and wild card

Maybe but they will be ALDS and out at best.

[cougarjake13]

Maybe but they will be ALDS and out at best.


Most likely. Do they got anyone on the farm worth a fuck?

[Kevin]

Most likely. Do they got anyone on the farm worth a fuck?

They have some what they say are real good prospects, but who knows with these jerkoffs.

Joba Hughes were supposed to be Aces..

[cougarjake13]

Jobs was good in the pen who knows how he'd be if they left him alone and didn't keep flipping him

Other then the injuries I thought Hughes was good ?

[Kevin]

Jobs was good in the pen who knows how he'd be if they left him alone and didn't keep flipping him

Other then the injuries I thought Hughes was good ?

Inconsistent.

His FB would got from 96-89 90.

Plus for some reason they took away his curve.

I remember when first came up and was in the minors they were raving about his curve, then he just stopped throwing it.

[epo]

They have some what they say are real good prospects, but who knows with these jerkoffs.

Joba Hughes were supposed to be Aces..

Joba, Hughes and Kennedy were supposed to be great and should be.

Giardi fucked up two of them, and they traded the other one (who handled properly turned out well).

[Kevin]

Joba, Hughes and Kennedy were supposed to be great and should be.

Giardi fucked up two of them, and they traded the other one (who handled properly turned out well).

I agree.

hence, the jerkoff comment..

But the NL West has helped Kennedy, but he was handled poorly, as was Joba.

[Dirtbag]

I think Darvish will be pretty good. Not sure if a #1, but more a 1b/2? Yet in Texas, I just don't see him being so accepted in that fucking hole of a state so it might have an impact versus other more liberal/open areas of the US/Canada. I may be off here, but just a thought/factor to consider.

Do you really think that little of people who don't live in New York or is it a bit?

And even if you're right, if he wins nobody will give a shit.

[epo]

I agree.

hence, the jerkoff comment..

But the NL West has helped Kennedy, but he was handled poorly, as was Joba.

Hell in NY, Hughes has probably been handled the worst.

Age 23 he threw 86 innings
Age 24 he threw 176 innings
Age 25 -- Injured arm

Giardi is a fucking jarhead.

[Kevin]

Hell in NY, Hughes has probably been handled the worst.

Age 23 he threw 86 innings
Age 24 he threw 176 innings
Age 25 -- Injured arm

Giardi is a fucking jarhead.

I think it was a big reason why Cole decided not to sign out of HS a few years back, He is from So Cal and so are Hughes and Kennedy, I think at least Kennedy told him to stay away.

[spoon]

Do you really think that little of people who don't live in New York or is it a bit?

And even if you're right, if he wins nobody will give a shit.

do you really think that little of people/fans who root for other teams other than NY or is this a bit?

come on man, my point is based on players even of latino decent getting treated like shit in certain areas and Texas is not some open minded state. I'm the biggest hater for the NY teams out there, but man they have no bias in any way based on where a player is from, and I WOULDN'T say the same for other east coast areas like Boston and Phily. It's just common knowledge and both those places look like a Benneton ad or the it's a small world ride at Disney compared to fucking Texas.

[realmenhatelife]

do you really think that little of people/fans who root for other teams other than NY or is this a bit?

come on man, my point is based on players even of latino decent getting treated like shit in certain areas and Texas is not some open minded state. I'm the biggest hater for the NY teams out there, but man they have no bias in any way based on where a player is from, and I WOULDN'T say the same for other east coast areas like Boston and Phily. It's just common knowledge and both those places look like a Benneton ad or the it's a small world ride at Disney compared to fucking Texas.

I cant say anything about Boston because I dont know, but the Philly observation is 8 shades of retarded.

[cougarjake13]

Joba, Hughes and Kennedy were supposed to be great and should be.

Giardi fucked up two of them, and they traded the other one (who handled properly turned out well).


So ur saying they were the Yankee version of generation k?

[Kevin]

So ur saying they were the Yankee version of generation k?

Not even close

The Yankees trio had at least some success

The Mets ones were total busts besides Izzy

[hanso]

Does the last team that had the month negotiating rights for Darvish loose all that money paid now that it is a different team that has the rights?

[hanso]

do you really think that little of people/fans who root for other teams other than NY or is this a bit?

come on man, my point is based on players even of latino decent getting treated like shit in certain areas and Texas is not some open minded state. I'm the biggest hater for the NY teams out there, but man they have no bias in any way based on where a player is from, and I WOULDN'T say the same for other east coast areas like Boston and Phily. It's just common knowledge and both those places look like a Benneton ad or the it's a small world ride at Disney compared to fucking Texas.

Neftali feliz navidad sir.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Adrian Jingle Beltre

[hanso]

Adrian Jingle Beltre

Yeah they might get him too.

[cougarjake13]

I Well now they got all I want for Christmas is Yu ..... Darvish

[Kevin]

I Well now they got all I want for Christmas is Yu ..... Darvish

A booooooo

[Kevin]

Does the last team that had the month negotiating rights for Darvish loose all that money paid now that it is a different team that has the rights?

No.

The Japanese team does not get paid unless there is a contract agreement.

If they don't agree Darvish is not eligible to come here til next year and then the process starts all over again.

[Dirtbag]

do you really think that little of people/fans who root for other teams other than NY or is this a bit?

come on man, my point is based on players even of latino decent getting treated like shit in certain areas and Texas is not some open minded state. I'm the biggest hater for the NY teams out there, but man they have no bias in any way based on where a player is from, and I WOULDN'T say the same for other east coast areas like Boston and Phily. It's just common knowledge and both those places look like a Benneton ad or the it's a small world ride at Disney compared to fucking Texas.

I'm not talking about baseball. I mean the general "Anyone who doesn't live in the northeast or west coast is a flaming racist" mentality that seems to be popular here. Maybe I'm naive, but I really don't think it's that bad. And even if it is, the guy is Japanese. I could almost understand your POV if the guy was Latino or Arab.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How about a Yu Le Log?


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[cougarjake13]

I'm not talking about baseball. I mean the general "Anyone who doesn't live in the northeast or west coast is a flaming racist" mentality that seems to be popular here. Maybe I'm naive, but I really don't think it's that bad. And even if it is, the guy is Japanese. I could almost understand your POV if the guy was Latino or Arab.

theres racists everywhere and im willing to bet that theres more in the north east and west coast just bc of sheer numbers

[hanso]

Yeah they might get him too.

WTH was I saying they got him last season. Was thinking Beltrán but he got moved late last season also.

[spoon]

I'm not talking about baseball. I mean the general "Anyone who doesn't live in the northeast or west coast is a flaming racist" mentality that seems to be popular here. Maybe I'm naive, but I really don't think it's that bad. And even if it is, the guy is Japanese. I could almost understand your POV if the guy was Latino or Arab.

no just texas and mainly bc I experienced it there with some friends/work multiple times there...and why did you quote something you made up completely?

and no way on latinos in Texas, it's practically little Mexico...and a ton of ignorant racist assholes

in summation, fuck texas

[hanso]

no just texas and mainly bc I experienced it there with some friends/work multiple times there...and why did you quote something you made up completely?

and no way on latinos in Texas, it's practically little Mexico...and a ton of ignorant racist assholes

in summation, fuck texas

Is Nolan Ryan the only cool person in Texas?

[spoon]

Is Nolan Ryan the only cool person in Texas?

he hates the Icelandians!

[razorboy]

Is Nolan Ryan the only cool person in Texas?

Texas really took a hit when Willie left for Hawaii, but they still have Augie Meyers.

[cougarjake13]

Is Nolan Ryan the only cool person in Texas?



Depends on your opinion of dirk Novitski

[hanso]

Depends on your opinion of dirk Novitski

Yeah he would be there also. Even though he took my team out of the finals.

[cougarjake13]

That he did and lucky for j terry too with that tattoo

[hanso]

That he did and lucky for j terry too with that tattoo

Oh yeah, forgot about that, funny stuff.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I knew that episode of Curb your enthusiasm would open up doors


http://espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/story/_/id/7376319/source-bill-buckner-coach-cubs-farm-team-not-boston-red-sox

[spoon]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvqvczsDVh1qfgi90o1_500.png

[spoon]

no need to worry

this guy's still out there!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MN9wUvxcGrg/TfAlztQId1I/AAAAAAAAAOo/6DNgYncjRMY/s1600/TS-Prince-Fielder-large.jpg

"who me?"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no need to worry

this guy's still out there!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MN9wUvxcGrg/TfAlztQId1I/AAAAAAAAAOo/6DNgYncjRMY/s1600/TS-Prince-Fielder-large.jpg

"who me?"

Are those vegan burgers?

[cougarjake13]

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvqvczsDVh1qfgi90o1_500.png



Hahahaha that's awesome

I predict he'll hit .456 with 5 homers 13 steals against the mutts this yr

[cougarjake13]

Are those vegan burgers?


Looks like they Photoshopped iit on someone else's body

[A.J.]

I like the Nats picking up Gio Gonzalez. That rotation looks pretty good now with Strasburg back.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I like the Nats picking up Gio Gonzalez. That rotation looks pretty good now with Strasburg back.

Nats were talked about a few times of signing Prince. Wouldnt be surprised if he signs with them,

[A.J.]

Yeah, I think that's partly why they made the move: to lure Prince here. The Lerners spend money (ask Jayson Werth) so Prince will be paid.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Beltran to Cards


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7381622/carlos-beltran-st-louis-cardinals-agree-two-year-deal

[cougarjake13]

Yeah, I think that's partly why they made the move: to lure Prince here. The Lerners spend money (ask Jayson Werth) so Prince will be paid.



I guess if they make a marlins type run it ll be worth it

[hanso]

They need to try to get Nyjer Morgan back.

[cougarjake13]

They need to try to get Nyjer Morgan back.


dont think thats the guy thats gonna put them over

[hanso]

dont think thats the guy thats gonna put them over

What if he brings Prince with him?

[cougarjake13]

What if he brings Prince with him?
well then yeh obviously but it'll still have not much to do with nyjer

[cougarjake13]

and i dont think nyjer going there is gonna be the over riding factor of why prince signs

[cougarjake13]

unless prince is off his vegan diet and eating nyjer's meat

[hanso]

well then yeh obviously but it'll still have not much to do with nyjer

Oh literal cougarjake13

[cougarjake13]

Oh literal cougarjake13



ahhh ive heard that before on here and in life



dont know why i do it

[hanso]

ahhh ive heard that before on here and in life



dont know why i do it

Ha! I used the same joke on epo when nyjer went to Mil.

[spoon]

Are those vegan burgers?

does it matter when you eat 50?

[hanso]

If he hits 30 out every season he can has cheezburger.

[cougarjake13]

If he hits 30 out every season he can has cheezburger.



dont think he eats those anymore

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe he eats lots of fries with his veggie burgers. I think Vegans can have potatoes theyre cruelty free

[hanso]

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Hot dogs/pop/beer didn't bother Babe Ruth's on field performance.


But, beer, fried chicken and xbox sure did a number on the Red Sox it's a different era.

[epo]

If he hits 30 out every season he can has cheezburger.

dont think he eats those anymore

He does eat meat again.

[cougarjake13]

He does eat meat again.



eye deed knot no dat

[epo]

eye deed knot no dat

He stopped for a bit (which made headlines) to help control his weight.

From what I'm to understand, his wife does a pretty good job of making him eat healthy and working out.

Genetics aren't his friend.

[cougarjake13]

He stopped for a bit (which made headlines) to help control his weight.

From what I'm to understand, his wife does a pretty good job of making him eat healthy and working out.

Genetics aren't his friend.



well hell no i remember cecil on yanks and tigres

[spoon]

He stopped for a bit (which made headlines) to help control his weight.

From what I'm to understand, his wife does a pretty good job of making him eat healthy and working out.

Genetics aren't his friend.

His abilities at the plate, not the dinner plate, surely involve good genetics.

[hanso]

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[Kevin]

Its over BITCHES!

Yankees sign Heki Okigima!!!

[cougarjake13]

Who?

[cougarjake13]

that translates into I'm not Yu Darvish in english

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that translates into I'm not Yu Darvish in english

Haa true.


But hes a hell of a lot cheaper

[spoon]

Haa true.


But hes a hell of a lot cheaper

and shittier!

[Kevin]

and shittier!

Come on Spoon, he was AWESOME last year.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A Rod goes to Germany for therapy

http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7395892/like-kobe-bryant-new-york-yankees-alex-rodriguez-knee-treated-germany

[WRESTLINGFAN]

In more A Rod news. His newest fuck buddy


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/a-rod-sleeper-hold-playboy-centerfold-torrie-wilson-article-1.998627

[brettmojo]

But she doesn't look like a dude.

[cougarjake13]

In more A Rod news. His newest fuck buddy


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/a-rod-sleeper-hold-playboy-centerfold-torrie-wilson-article-1.998627



was gonna say he must like the wwe like clooney and then in article it said he clooney and the chix met up


so there u go


good for him i hate the yankees but i hope his dick falls off from fucking all these whore s

[WRESTLINGFAN]

was gonna say he must like the wwe like clooney and then in article it said he clooney and the chix met up


so there u go


good for him i hate the yankees but i hope his dick falls off from fucking all these whore s

Jeter still has him beat by a lot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So in order to get C J Wilson MLB Network reported that Pujols contract is backloaded. In 2012 hes making 12 million, 2013 16 million.


So at year 8 , 9, 10, a late 30's/early 40's player will be making 30 million a year. Nice going Halo's you fuckers ,backload a monster contract to get a #3 pitcher who sucks in October.

[spoon]

So in order to get C J Wilson MLB Network reported that Pujols contract is backloaded. In 2012 hes making 12 million, 2013 16 million.


So at year 8 , 9, 10, a late 30's/early 40's player will be making 30 million a year. Nice going Halo's you fuckers ,backload a monster contract to get a #3 pitcher who sucks in October.

yah, we'll see when he's putting up zeros against the spanks against AJ throwing grade F slop resulting in enough runs for a diarrhea famine to set in.

[cougarjake13]

If they get at least one ring out of it I'm sure they'll think it's worth it

Plus those backend yrs most likely will be primarily spent at dh and theoretically less wear and tear

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That 30 million plus salary is going to look awful when hes 39 and batting .260

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If they get at least one ring out of it I'm sure they'll think it's worth it

Plus those backend yrs most likely will be primarily spent at dh and theoretically less wear and tear

He's going to be another A Rod. The days of 40+ HR for him are done, hes breaking down at age 36. He will be lucky if he averages 25 HR and hes got 6 years left

[spoon]

He's going to be another A Rod. The days of 40+ HR for him are done, hes breaking down at age 36. He will be lucky if he averages 25 HR and hes got 6 years left

moving to dh isn't going to hurt him

that and God's on his side like a hispanic Tebow

[cougarjake13]

moving to dh isn't going to hurt him

that and God's on his side like a hispanic Tebow

I just checked my Hispanic to English dictionary

And Pujols translated Into English is Tebow

[hanso]

That 30 million plus salary is going to look awful when hes 39 and batting .260

Thought 30 million a year at age 40 to be a sweet deal for him when I heard that.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A Rods 1st mega deal was a success for him numbers wise. For 7 years he had some monster years granted that some of those years he was on the juice. In 2008 when he signed the 2nd deal he began to break down. Pujols will be 32 when the Season starts he might be older, who knows? how many great years does he have left? 10 year deals if signed in their 20's have panned out much better. Jeter and A Rod are 2 examples.


The Angels will have to win more than 1 ring in order for this deal to be a huge success. 1 ring aint gonna do it . All the heat is on them now

[Kevin]

yah, we'll see when he's putting up zeros against the spanks against AJ throwing grade F slop resulting in enough runs for a diarrhea famine to set in.

Until a Japanese pitcher shows he can be an ace in the Majors then i will believe it.

Not saying he won't, but the % aren't that great....

And if he is gunna put up zero's all he has to do is PITCH BAUTISTA OUTSIDE.

Why they continue to pitch him anywhere nears inside is beyond me.

[cougarjake13]

A Rods 1st mega deal was a success for him numbers wise. For 7 years he had some monster years granted that some of those years he was on the juice. In 2008 when he signed the 2nd deal he began to break down. Pujols will be 32 when the Season starts he might be older, who knows? how many great years does he have left? 10 year deals if signed in their 20's have panned out much better. Jeter and A Rod are 2 examples.


The Angels will have to win more than 1 ring in order for this deal to be a huge success. 1 ring aint gonna do it . All the heat is on them now


but with all the latinpopulation there pujols is gonna bring more revunue in non on the field ways that might outweigh if they only get one ring or even none


just the fact for the next 5 years they'll be the L.A. team that people are talking about and hopefully playoffs every year could be enough financially

[hanso]

A Rods 1st mega deal was a success for him numbers wise. For 7 years he had some monster years granted that some of those years he was on the juice. In 2008 when he signed the 2nd deal he began to break down. Pujols will be 32 when the Season starts he might be older, who knows? how many great years does he have left? 10 year deals if signed in their 20's have panned out much better. Jeter and A Rod are 2 examples.


The Angels will have to win more than 1 ring in order for this deal to be a huge success. 1 ring aint gonna do it . All the heat is on them now

The team did get huge TV $ right after the signinng.

[spoon]

Until a Japanese pitcher shows he can be an ace in the Majors then i will believe it.

Not saying he won't, but the % aren't that great....

And if he is gunna put up zero's all he has to do is PITCH BAUTISTA OUTSIDE.

Why they continue to pitch him anywhere nears inside is beyond me.


wrong

and this was before even this last year where they went outside even more

it simply doesn't work, as noted by his continued numbers and HUGE increase in avg/walks

Not so fast Kev. (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/5/25/2188969/why-cant-pitchers-deal-with-jose-bautista-by-throwing-outside-and)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Agreed to Angels being the #1 team in SoCal and replacing the Dodgers as that. I saw that the TV deal was locked in too. I think the final pricetag was 3 billion over 20 years.

Anaheim is going to be the Yankees of the West being that premiere team so theres going to be that pressure to win. Ask any Yankee fan and its World Seies victory or bust.

As far as the Latinos coming to Angels stadium and merchandise I dont see that as a big factor as SoCal is mainly Mexican/Central American. Pujols is Dominican. I think in Baseball like other sports especially boxing, theres almost a rivalry amongst Latin American countries. In boxing for example, the Mexicans will cheer for their fighter almost 100%

No doubt Pujols will put asses in seats and the TV deal is a huge boost for them financially and Texas has legit competition for the AL West but all eyes are on Anaheim.

[Kevin]

wrong

and this was before even this last year where they went outside even more

it simply doesn't work, as noted by his continued numbers and HUGE increase in avg/walks

Not so fast Kev. (http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2011/5/25/2188969/why-cant-pitchers-deal-with-jose-bautista-by-throwing-outside-and)

Fair enough.

Just felt it was odd did not know about those stats.

[Kevin]

I still stand by my Japanese pitcher comments

[hanso]

I still stand by my Japanese pitcher comments

I bow to them.

[Kevin]

I bow to them.


Low bow or bullshit half bow?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

From baseballreference.com. Pujols yr by yr contract


2012 32 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $12,000,000
2013 33 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $16,000,000
2014 34 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $23,000,000
2015 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $24,000,000
2016 36 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $25,000,000
2017 37 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $26,000,000
2018 38 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $27,000,000
2019 39 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $28,000,000
2020 40 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $29,000,000
2021 41 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $30,000,000

[Snacks]

From baseballreference.com. Pujols yr by yr contract


2012 32 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $12,000,000
2013 33 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $16,000,000
2014 34 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $23,000,000
2015 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $24,000,000
2016 36 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $25,000,000
2017 37 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $26,000,000
2018 38 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $27,000,000
2019 39 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $28,000,000
2020 40 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $29,000,000
2021 41 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $30,000,000

shouldnt that be reversed?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

shouldnt that be reversed?

It was backloaded in order to sign CJ Wilson according to MLB Network.

[Snoogans]

It was backloaded in order to sign CJ Wilson according to MLB Network.

and also, should he retire before the end, they will save the heavy cash. Also, there is a 10 year contract to be a coach that starts immediately upon his retirement, which could also be part of the reason he didnt mind waiting on the cash

[Snoogans]

so apparently, the Nationals are the new leader for Prince Fielder.

Jesus Mets, are you even gonna win 60 games this year?

[spoon]

so apparently, the Nationals are the new leader for Prince Fielder.

Jesus Mets, are you even gonna win 60 games this year?

$$$$$

[cougarjake13]

so apparently, the Nationals are the new leader for Prince Fielder.

Jesus Mets, are you even gonna win 60 games this year?



They wanna break their old record

37-125 is my guess

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Joe Torre regisns as MLB exec wants to be part owner of LA


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20120104&content_id=26259754&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb&partnerId=rss_mlb

[spoon]

Asshole Zambrano for shitty Volstad. Talent wise the cubs got fleeced, but they were so done with z.

[cougarjake13]

An actual trade ? Or speculation

[WRESTLINGFAN]

His personality will be great for Guillen. Both are borderline batshit crazy

[Snoogans]

i bet you somehow ozzie convinces him he needs to pitch for money and he is a stud the next 2 years. I really want the mets to only win 30 games

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i bet you somehow ozzie convinces him he needs to pitch for money and he is a stud the next 2 years. I really want the mets to only win 30 games

Thats a lot of cash

2012 31 Miami Marlins $18,000,000
2013 32 Miami Marlins*$19,250,000 Option guaranteed if Cy Young (1st or 2nd in 2011 or 2012 top 4) and healthy] at completion of 2012 season

[Snacks]

Thats a lot of cash

2012 31 Miami Marlins $18,000,000
2013 32 Miami Marlins*$19,250,000 Option guaranteed if Cy Young (1st or 2nd in 2011 or 2012 top 4) and healthy] at completion of 2012 season

yeah so its basically a 1 year deal for $18 million because the option has no chance of kicking in. The cubs are also picking up $15 of the $18 million (from what I have heard) so its not a huge risk for Miami.

[Snoogans]

yeah so its basically a 1 year deal for $18 million because the option has no chance of kicking in. The cubs are also picking up $15 of the $18 million (from what I have heard) so its not a huge risk for Miami.

i wouldnt say no chance. I know big Z is fucked up, but the guy, just physically, has all the talent in the world. He does have the ability to finish top 4 in the cy young voting and trip that option. Will he? Most likely not, cause he is a head case, but he can do it. I have no doubt about that.

But, basically this is still a walk year. We all know how guys manage to show up in walk years. He probably wont hit that option, but look for Big Z to have a good year. I think Ozzie will be just crazy enough to keep Zambo at least pitching well.

[cougarjake13]

And if the cubs are paying most of it then it's win win for Miami

That's still weird to say

[Snacks]

i wouldnt say no chance. I know big Z is fucked up, but the guy, just physically, has all the talent in the world. He does have the ability to finish top 4 in the cy young voting and trip that option. Will he? Most likely not, cause he is a head case, but he can do it. I have no doubt about that.

But, basically this is still a walk year. We all know how guys manage to show up in walk years. He probably wont hit that option, but look for Big Z to have a good year. I think Ozzie will be just crazy enough to keep Zambo at least pitching well.

i say its not chance because even if he has a good /great year i cant see the writers voting for him unless he has a year that blows away the rest of the pitchers. he would need 20+ wins and lead the league in era by close to 1 run and ks just to get asshole writers votes because you know they hold grudges.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

More detailed breakdown of Pujols salary.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7428226/albert-pujols-deal-completed-los-angeles-angels-worth-240m-10-years

[Snoogans]

i say its not chance because even if he has a good /great year i cant see the writers voting for him unless he has a year that blows away the rest of the pitchers. he would need 20+ wins and lead the league in era by close to 1 run and ks just to get asshole writers votes because you know they hold grudges.

maybe chicago writers would, but i dont think 90% of the country would say fuck zambo cause he was a douche in chicago. remember he only has to be top 4. he doesnt have to win the thing to trigger the option. just top 4 in voting

[Snoogans]

More detailed breakdown of Pujols salary.

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7428226/albert-pujols-deal-completed-los-angeles-angels-worth-240m-10-years

The Angels' deal was so complicated that it includes three separate agreements: His playing contract, a marketing deal and an agreement to enter a 10-year, personal-services agreement following the playing contract's expiration or Pujols' retirement, whichever is later. That will pay $1 million annually, but because it is contingent on Pujols actually working for the team, it is not considered guaranteed money for the purposes of baseball's luxury tax.

High-payroll teams such as the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox are likely to examine that structure closely and may emulate it in future agreements.




AWESOME

[hanso]

His personality will be great for Guillen. Both are borderline batshit crazy

And Ramirez having to play third, just add Milton Bradly in OF. Miami Hot Heads.

[cougarjake13]

Just had manny being manny as well

[hanso]

yeah so its basically a 1 year deal for $18 million because the option has no chance of kicking in. The cubs are also picking up $15 of the $18 million (from what I have heard) so its not a huge risk for Miami.

Yep, and this here

"2013 - Miami Marlins*$19,250,000 Option guaranteed if Cy Young (1st or 2nd in 2011 or 2012 top 4) and healthy] at completion of 2012 season"

Waived along with NTC

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HoF Ballots Monday who gets in?


Some of the notable ballots are

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Larkin
Bernie Williams
Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Fred McGriff

[epo]

HoF Ballots Monday who gets in?


Some of the notable ballots are

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Larkin
Bernie Williams
Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Fred McGriff

None.

Its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.

[Snoogans]

HoF Ballots Monday who gets in?


Some of the notable ballots are

Jeff Bagwell
Barry Larkin
Bernie Williams
Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Fred McGriff

None.

Its the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Very Good.

i dont care if he is like 7 short of 500 or whatever, Fred fuckin McGriff belongs in the hall. 10 years straight with 30 or more HRs, he was consistantly an all star caliber player for like 15 years. I dont understand why he isnt gettin in. Especially against that fuckin list

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i dont care if he is like 7 short of 500 or whatever, Fred fuckin McGriff belongs in the hall. 10 years straight with 30 or more HRs, he was consistantly an all star caliber player for like 15 years. I dont understand why he isnt gettin in. Especially against that fuckin list

Agreed with McGriff but I think Larkin belongs in the hall too he was an MVP and made 12 AS Game appearances.

[Snoogans]

Agreed with McGriff but I think Larkin belongs in the hall too he was an MVP and made 12 AS Game appearances.

ok thats fair, i am fine with that. but the rest, ehh. Sadly, the only other guy on that list id even listen to an argument for is Bernie.

No one thinks he should be in the HOF. But look at alot of his numbers. He was % points behind Tony Gwynn iin OBP and ahead of him in OBPS. I was SHOCKED when i saw the numbers.

but the rest of those bums, and the bums you didnt list, fuck em. BUT GODDAMMIT PUT IN THE CRIME DOG

[Snoogans]

HOW IS THIS MAN NOT IN THE HOF?

http://pitchersandpoets.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/fred-mcgriff-tom-emanski.png

[Snoogans]

this is mcgriff against hte last 3 First basemen who WERE elected into the HOF. I hope the thing pastes correctly


Player H HR RBI R AVG OBP SLG OPS+
Fred McGriff 2490 493 1550 1349 .284 .377 .509 134
Eddie Murray 3255 504 1917 1627 .287 .359 .476 129
Tony Perez 2732 379 1652 1272 .279 .341 .463 122
Orlando Cepeda 2351 379 1365 1131 .297 .350 .499 133

[Snoogans]

well, it didnt work that great, but if you follow it, he absolutely dominates the bottom 2

[HBox]

Tim Raines deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

[Snoogans]

Tim Raines deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. You can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

i have no opinion on the career of tim raines, mainly cause i spend my first 10 years watching baseball confusing him with harold Baines

[hanso]

Yep, and this here

"2013 - Miami Marlins*$19,250,000 Option guaranteed if Cy Young (1st or 2nd in 2011 or 2012 top 4) and healthy] at completion of 2012 season"

Waived along with NTC

And Cubs paid 15 1/2 Mil. What a steal I mean deal.

[spoon]

Agreed with McGriff but I think Larkin belongs in the hall too he was an MVP and made 12 AS Game appearances.

Allstar games is the reasoning now? No. That's hilarious and so flawed i feel like we're aguing politics right now.

As for bernie, his numbers a so fucking inflated bc of his teams and how teams chose to pitch him vs others. It made sense too, yet even w said numbers on another team, which wouldn't have happened, he would hardly be noticed. Take away bis huge exposure and yah, he's bernard williams who played a few years back for what team again?

Fred needs in though...bc he won video instructor of the year in 1991! Right wf?

[Snoogans]

Allstar games is the reasoning now? No. That's hilarious and so flawed i feel like we're aguing politics right now.

As for bernie, his numbers a so fucking inflated bc of his teams and how teams chose to pitch him vs others. It made sense too, yet even w said numbers on another team, which wouldn't have happened, he would hardly be noticed. Take away bis huge exposure and yah, he's bernard williams who played a few years back for what team again?

Fred needs in though...bc he won video instructor of the year in 1991! Right wf?

this is actually a really fair point. its a point that might end up hurting alot of yankees (and red sox) in future votings too.

[cougarjake13]

With all the steroid bs and mcgriff not being linked in any way and having close enough numbers as it is he'll get in this year

Larkin prob does too

[Snoogans]

With all the steroid bs and mcgriff not being linked in any way and having close enough numbers as it is he'll get in this year

Larkin prob does too

mcgriff got 21% 2 years ago and 17% last year. I hope you are right but that would be a hell of a jump

[Snacks]

of all the players on the list the only 1 i think 100% deserves to be in the HoF is Larkin and McGriff is on the border for me. I dont think anyone is a lock except Larkin though.

[cougarjake13]

mcgriff got 21% 2 years ago and 17% last year. I hope you are right but that would be a hell of a jump



Shit I didn't know he was that far off the pace
He may have to wait for one of those veterans committee inductions
He can't have many years left on ballot
Didn't he retire in 2001? Nope it was 2004

[epo]

of all the players on the list the only 1 i think 100% deserves to be in the HoF is Larkin and McGriff is on the border for me. I dont think anyone is a lock except Larkin though.

I'm not sure how 1 MVP and an above average career gets someone into the Hall of Fame.

[Snacks]

Lee Smith deserves to get in. If fingers got in then shouldnt the guy who was one of the original closers and all time saves leader (at least til the past 3 years) deserve to be in?

as for Mcgriff i think he is hurt by playing so long and still being short 7 hrs for 500. 19 years makes it seem like he was a compiler and he still doesnt have any of those "numbers" that get you in like 500 hrs, .300 avg, 3000 hits, mvp's or 1500+ runs. he does have the 1500+ rbis but thats it. I think he was always a borderline guy but the fact that he is getting such low votes he might never get in.

[Snacks]

I'm not sure how 1 MVP and an above average career gets someone into the Hall of Fame.

you may be right but if scooter can gets in as a yankee because of titles and nothing else as far as actual #s then larkin gets in for it the all around package. i think its the fact that the position he played was ss and he wasnt the typical defensive only ss but was pretty good at it. he was 1 of the first 5 tool ss. he hit for decent power especially back then when ss didnt hit 15-20 hrs, he stole bases, scored runs, got high rbis for his position on the field and where he batted and multiple gg winner.

oh and he won a world series.

[epo]

you may be right but if scooter can gets in as a yankee because of titles and nothing else as far as actual #s then larkin gets in for it the all around package. i think its the fact that the position he played was ss and he wasnt the typical defensive only ss but was pretty good at it. he was 1 of the first 5 tool ss. he hit for decent power especially back then when ss didnt hit 15-20 hrs, he stole bases, scored runs, got high rbis for his position on the field and where he batted and multiple gg winner.

oh and he won a world series.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

A very good baseball player, not a Hall of Famer.

[Snacks]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

A very good baseball player, not a Hall of Famer.

he was the best all around ss of his era, at least the first 10 years of his career.

100% guarantee if he was a brewer for played at wisc or from wisc he would have been 1st ballot in your eyes!

[epo]

he was the best all around ss of his era, at least the first 10 years of his career.

Ozzie Smith laughs at you.

[epo]

100% guarantee if he was a brewer for played at wisc or from wisc he would have been 1st ballot in your eyes!

Did Kevin log in as Snacks?

[spoon]

Lee Smith deserves to get in. If fingers got in then shouldnt the guy who was one of the original closers and all time saves leader (at least til the past 3 years) deserve to be in?

as for Mcgriff i think he is hurt by playing so long and still being short 7 hrs for 500. 19 years makes it seem like he was a compiler and he still doesnt have any of those "numbers" that get you in like 500 hrs, .300 avg, 3000 hits, mvp's or 1500+ runs. he does have the 1500+ rbis but thats it. I think he was always a borderline guy but the fact that he is getting such low votes he might never get in.

this compiler parroting HAS TO STOP! His last two full years he managed as he fought through injuries from 01-04 were pretty damn awesome for that late in his career. In 02 he hit .273 w 30 hrs, 27 doubles & 103 rbis at 38 years old. In 01 he hit .306 with 31 hrs, 25 double % 102 rbis at 37 years old. Compiler my ass, that's great at 25 years old, and he's a power hitter that could hit for average too.

[Snacks]

this compiler parroting HAS TO STOP! His last two full years he managed as he fought through injuries from 01-04 were pretty damn awesome for that late in his career. In 02 he hit .273 w 30 hrs, 27 doubles & 103 rbis at 38 years old. In 01 he hit .306 with 31 hrs, 25 double % 102 rbis at 37 years old. Compiler my ass, that's great at 25 years old, and he's a power hitter that could hit for average too.

I guess my wording passed you by. I said "makes it seem like he was a compiler". Not that I think he was 1 he wasnt but he may have been better off retiring 3 or 4 years earlier with 45 hrs because those extra years and still being 7 hrs short is probably what hurts him and why he is going down in votes not up.

[Kevin]

Ozzie Smith laughs at you.

He said all around.

Ozzie Smith was the premier example of getting in for defense.

262 28 hrs career =shitty hitter.

Him and Mazzerowski are in for D and one Hr in Maz's case.

And I agree on his Wisconsin comment....

[Snacks]

He said all around.

Ozzie Smith was the premier example of getting in for defense.

262 28 hrs career =shitty hitter.

Him and Mazzerowski are in for D and one Hr in Maz's case.

And I agree on his Wisconsin comment....

I know we all joke about many of the board members being homers for our team but seriously there is only 1 homer on this board that is blinded by his teams and home state and that is Epo. He cant see past his Wisc state flag colored glasses.

[spoon]

I guess my wording passed you by. I said "it makes him seem like a compiler". Not that I think he was 1 he wasnt but he may have been better off retiring 3 or 4 years earlier with 45 hrs because those extra years and still being 7 hrs short is probably what hurts him and why he is going down in votes not up.

snacks, you don't mention it if you don't want to use it at least passively...if not, explain yourself before being exposed

your semantics are tiring and I'm just waiting for you to cry every time I discuss anything with you...especially when I give stats to back my ideas up, not just shit I hear on tv

I'm sure Fred was thinking to himself, "hmmm, let's retire now so idiots won't think I'm a compiler, especially those that vote and are supposed to be knowledgable with the game I love." "I love this game and want to play as long as possible, but I have to duck out bc why would I want to play the game I love a few years longer and make some better money as the league started paying better".

Yah, he should have been thinking future idiots voting wrong over playing for that elusive title and just the sport he loves.

:wallbash:

[spoon]

I know we all joke about many of the board members being homers for our team but seriously there is only 1 homer on this board that is blinded by his teams and home state and that is Epo. He cant see past his Wisc state flag colored glasses.

he pretty much backs his shit up quite well in my mind

even when I disagree, like how Brees could garner some mvp votes, it's not like his side has no merit

[Snacks]

snacks, you don't mention it if you don't want to use it at least passively...if not, explain yourself before being exposed

your semantics are tiring and I'm just waiting for you to cry every time I discuss anything with you...especially when I give stats to back my ideas up, not just shit I hear on tv

I'm sure Fred was thinking to himself, "hmmm, let's retire now so idiots won't think I'm a compiler, especially those that vote and are supposed to be knowledgable with the game I love." "I love this game and want to play as long as possible, but I have to duck out bc why would I want to play the game I love a few years longer and make some better money as the league started paying better".

Yah, he should have been thinking future idiots voting wrong over playing for that elusive title and just the sport he loves.

:wallbash:

now you are telling me my thought process? ok!

[spoon]

now you are telling me my thought process? ok!

oh GOD no, one can't even attempt that

I'm simply stating you're backpedaling on your statement and it doesn't take anything past a 5th grade reading level to see what you meant in you ACTUAL post.

[spoon]

this compiler parroting HAS TO STOP! His last two full years he managed as he fought through injuries from 01-04 were pretty damn awesome for that late in his career. In 02 he hit .273 w 30 hrs, 27 doubles & 103 rbis at 38 years old. In 01 he hit .306 with 31 hrs, 25 double % 102 rbis at 37 years old. Compiler my ass, that's great at 25 years old, and he's a power hitter that could hit for average too.

The Angels would sign up RIGHT THIS SECOND for Pujols to put those numbers up at that advanced age in a heartbeat by the way. Anyone putting those numbers up at 37 & 38 is sick, especially on those teams and clean in the heart of the steroid era.

[Kevin]

he pretty much backs his shit up quite well in my mind

even when I disagree, like how Brees could garner some mvp votes, it's not like his side has no merit


He does in all aspects of life but sports I disagree 5000%

He is a Homer through and through and I don't see how you don't.

From his blind Selig love to his agreeing that Ryan Braun deserved the MVP.

He would have been bitching from Wisconsin to LA if Braun won the same way and was in LA and Kemp was in MIL.

[epo]

He does in all aspects of life but sports I disagree 5000%

He is a Homer through and through and I don't see how you don't.

From his blind Selig love to his agreeing that Ryan Braun deserved the MVP.

He would have been bitching from Wisconsin to LA if Braun won the same way and was in LA and Kemp was in MIL.

The Braun/Kemp argument again?

When have the players been equal and the division winner didn't win the award? Think about it.

As for my supposed Wisconsin-homerism: let's do a rundown.

The Packers are the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers will be the MVP.
I have no clue how the Brewers will fill the gap of Prince Fielder.
Bret Bielema is a good recruiter, but the worst gameday coach I've ever seen.
The Bucks need a franchise player.
Bo Ryan gets more out of some untalented team than a coach should (including this years team)

Do I like my teams? Duh. If I wanted to be a homer I'd be Snacks and goo my pants over Dan Marino.

[Snoogans]

he was the best all around ss of his era, at least the first 10 years of his career.

100% guarantee if he was a brewer for played at wisc or from wisc he would have been 1st ballot in your eyes!

Ozzie Smith laughs at you.

epo, in fairness, he said all around. Ozzie was awesome, but the guy didnt hit for anything. We all know it.


this is not a knock on ozzie. i think he was the best defensive shortstop, probably player in general, in baseball history, and i think the HOF would be a fuckin sham if he hadnt been put in it. Just sayin, if you take hitting into account, barry gets alot closer than you made it seem

[Snoogans]

The Braun/Kemp argument again?

When have the players been equal and the division winner didn't win the award? Think about it.

As for my supposed Wisconsin-homerism: let's do a rundown.

The Packers are the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers will be the MVP.
I have no clue how the Brewers will fill the gap of Prince Fielder.
Bret Bielema is a good recruiter, but the worst gameday coach I've ever seen.
The Bucks need a franchise player.
Bo Ryan gets more out of some untalented team than a coach should (including this years team)

Do I like my teams? Duh. If I wanted to be a homer I'd be Snacks and goo my pants over Dan Marino.

although he does look favorably at guys he saw most (and who doesnt really. you see a guy more than others, you see all the things that make him special. you dont see it with others, so it becomes how it is. natural) i never really took epo as a homer, only because most of the time he is sayin homer type things, they are true.

Fuck Kemp, the dodgers blew. I woulda given that award to Braun 10 times before i gave it to kemp. And how are you gonna call him a homer for acting like the Packers are the best team in the NFL? They are fuckin 15-1, they ARE the best team in the NFL.

Sometimes, you just have to accept the shit cause it happens to be true. I dont see epo sitting here sayin stupid shit like Russel Wilson is the best QB who ever played college football or shit like that

[Snacks]

The Braun/Kemp argument again?

When have the players been equal and the division winner didn't win the award? Think about it.

As for my supposed Wisconsin-homerism: let's do a rundown.

The Packers are the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers will be the MVP.
I have no clue how the Brewers will fill the gap of Prince Fielder.
Bret Bielema is a good recruiter, but the worst gameday coach I've ever seen.
The Bucks need a franchise player.
Bo Ryan gets more out of some untalented team than a coach should (including this years team)

Do I like my teams? Duh. If I wanted to be a homer I'd be Snacks and goo my pants over Dan Marino.

sorry but i dont just fight for my team or my players. I actually will argue for whats right even if i hate the player or the team. you seem to only side with players from your teams and never see the other side of the argument. Kemp easily could have and maybe should have won the MVP. No one has said Rodgers doesnt deserve the MVP just that it wouldnt be wrong or shocking if Brees got it.

[Snoogans]

sorry but i dont just fight for my team or my players. I actually will argue for whats right even if i hate the player or the team. you seem to only side with players from your teams and never see the other side of the argument. Kemp easily could have and maybe should have won the MVP. No one has said Rodgers doesnt deserve the MVP just that it wouldnt be wrong or shocking if Brees got it.

usually. but there have been times where you have just blinding talked about your teams. At least enough to where someone was compelled to put Snacks biggest homer ever in the tags for the NFL thread. And no, it wasnt me.

[Snacks]

Did Jorge Posada retire today? Our local NY news mentioned something about it but I havent read or heard it for sure.

[Snoogans]

Did Jorge Posada retire today? Our local NY news mentioned something about it but I havent read or heard it for sure.

espn had it from sources. not officially yet

[Snacks]

wasnt there a report that he was just about to sign with tb?

[Kevin]

espn had it from sources. not officially yet

That's crushing shit, he was at the top of his game.

[cougarjake13]

wasnt there a report that he was just about to sign with tb?

He'd be better then what they have

[joeyballsack]

The Braun/Kemp argument again?

When have the players been equal and the division winner didn't win the award? Think about it.

As for my supposed Wisconsin-homerism: let's do a rundown.

The Packers are the favorites to win the Super Bowl. Aaron Rodgers will be the MVP.
I have no clue how the Brewers will fill the gap of Prince Fielder.
Bret Bielema is a good recruiter, but the worst gameday coach I've ever seen.
The Bucks need a franchise player.
Bo Ryan gets more out of some untalented team than a coach should (including this years team)

Do I like my teams? Duh. If I wanted to be a homer I'd be Snacks and goo my pants over Dan Marino.

Is Marquette the red headed step child of Wisconsin teams or something ?

[epo]

Is Marquette the red headed step child of Wisconsin teams or something ?

Yes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

McGriff gets snubbed again.


Larkin is In

[Snoogans]

Did mcgriff even crack 25%?

[Earlshog]

Player Votes Pct
Barry Larkin 496 86.4
Jack Morris 382 66.7
Jeff Bagwell 321 56.0
Lee Smith 290 50.6
Tim Raines 279 48.7
Alan Trammell 211 36.8
Edgar Martinez 209 36.5
Fred McGriff 137 23.9
Larry Walker 131 22.9
Mark McGwire 112 19.5
Don Mattingly 102 17.8
Dale Murphy 83 14.5
Rafael Palmeiro 72 12.6
Others receiving votes: Bernie Williams, 55; Juan Gonzalez, 23; Vinny Castilla, 6; Tim Salmon, 5; Bill Mueller, 4; Brad Radke, 2; Javy Lopez, 1; Eric Young, 1.