~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[spoon]

ha!

it's already up on youtube

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[underdog]

wow pirates, what a bunch of pussies...namely Resop

ok, Matt Diaz got a leg into Escobar yesterday trying to break up a dp and it worked. it really wasn't anything out of the ordinary I have to say and a normal baseball play.

well today they said Escobar was still pissed about it and the announcers (Pitt's team) stated they were barking at each other during batting practice.

so today in a 6-2 game (Jays losing) escobar purposely gave up an easy dp toss and went ridiculously low obviously on purpose with the throwing hand and just punched Diaz sliding into second. it was painfully clear and the pirates didn't respond at all and the announcers are surprised as much as me.

It's weird, because i viewed it as Diaz going way out of the baseline with his legs going into Escobar again. But the sportscenter anchors agreed with you. I had to keep rewinding because I couldn't figure out what was going on.

[spoon]

The NHL and Toronto have something in common outside of their Canadian roots...it takes bad press to get them any, especially on espn!

[TheGameHHH]

Diaz did NOTHING wrong. I always view it as, in a double play situation, if youre sliding and your hand can touch second base you can slide however you need to in order to try and break that up.

[A.J.]

ha!

it's already up on youtube

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Didn't we learn anything from Buster Posey????????????????????

[foodcourtdruide]

It's weird, because i viewed it as Diaz going way out of the baseline with his legs going into Escobar again. But the sportscenter anchors agreed with you. I had to keep rewinding because I couldn't figure out what was going on.

Diaz literally knees Escobar in the stomach. There are a couple of plays that are allowed in baseball and make no sense, the murdering of the 2B on a double play is one of them. I don't blame Escobar for punching Diaz, while it's pretty normal to slide off the bag to interrupt the guy on second, Diaz goes wayyyyy out of his way. It's almost comical. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

On the other hand, the "neighborhood" rule is just as ridiculous. You can see Diaz is called out even though Escobar clearly isn't touching the bag. I say clean it up and don't allow the neighborhood play and don't allow the cheap shot by the runner.

[brettmojo]

Diaz literally knees Escobar in the stomach. There are a couple of plays that are allowed in baseball and make no sense, the murdering of the 2B on a double play is one of them. I don't blame Escobar for punching Diaz, while it's pretty normal to slide off the bag to interrupt the guy on second, Diaz goes wayyyyy out of his way. It's almost comical. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

On the other hand, the "neighborhood" rule is just as ridiculous. You can see Diaz is called out even though Escobar clearly isn't touching the bag. I say clean it up and don't allow the neighborhood play and don't allow the cheap shot by the runner.
The "neighborhood" play is allowed to actually help out the fielders a little so they can better protect themselves. Every once in a while an ump will call a guy safe if the fielder is blatantly off the bag.

They are also supposed to call interference if the runner slides to far away from the bag. You're supposed to at least be able to touch the bag if you're the runner.

[foodcourtdruide]

The "neighborhood" play is allowed to actually help out the fielders a little so they can better protect themselves. Every once in a while an ump will call a guy safe if the fielder is blatantly off the bag.

They are also supposed to call interference if the runner slides to far away from the bag. You're supposed to at least be able to touch the bag if you're the runner.

It seems like if they eliminate the neighborhood play, and call interference when the runner is clearly simply trying to knock out the fielder (both plays below are an example of this), it would even out.

[TripleSkeet]

Diaz literally knees Escobar in the stomach. There are a couple of plays that are allowed in baseball and make no sense, the murdering of the 2B on a double play is one of them. I don't blame Escobar for punching Diaz, while it's pretty normal to slide off the bag to interrupt the guy on second, Diaz goes wayyyyy out of his way. It's almost comical. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

On the other hand, the "neighborhood" rule is just as ridiculous. You can see Diaz is called out even though Escobar clearly isn't touching the bag. I say clean it up and don't allow the neighborhood play and don't allow the cheap shot by the runner.

As long as he can touch the bag its legal. Where the hell did you guys learn to play baseball??? Being able to break up a double play is a skill and its as important as stealing bases. Escobars a fucking pussy. Diaz shouldve gotten up and punched him right in the teeth. The best part is that faggot took the time to swing at the runner rather then try and jump over him and make the double play work. Way to go asshole. Glad hes not on my team.

Clean it up? You were also against being able to run over the catcher, right? Please, you guys already pussied up hockey, ruining the sport, and are well on your way to doing the same in football. How about leaving baseball the way it is and not fucking that up too?

[brettmojo]

As long as he can touch the bag its legal. Where the hell did you guys learn to play baseball??? Being able to break up a double play is a skill and its as important as stealing bases. Escobars a fucking pussy. Diaz shouldve gotten up and punched him right in the teeth. The best part is that faggot took the time to swing at the runner rather then try and jump over him and make the double play work. Way to go asshole. Glad hes not on my team.

Clean it up? You were also against being able to run over the catcher, right? Please, you guys already pussied up hockey, ruining the sport, and are well on your way to doing the same in football. How about leaving baseball the way it is and not fucking that up too?
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[spoon]

As long as he can touch the bag its legal. Where the hell did you guys learn to play baseball??? Being able to break up a double play is a skill and its as important as stealing bases. Escobars a fucking pussy. Diaz shouldve gotten up and punched him right in the teeth. The best part is that faggot took the time to swing at the runner rather then try and jump over him and make the double play work. Way to go asshole. Glad hes not on my team.

Clean it up? You were also against being able to run over the catcher, right? Please, you guys already pussied up hockey, ruining the sport, and are well on your way to doing the same in football. How about leaving baseball the way it is and not fucking that up too?

Jesus someone needs to tone it down a touch. Escobar was a being a baby on that I totally agree, yet it seems this stems from issues bt the two back in Atlanta when on the same team and an slightly iffy slide brought out bad blood rather quickly. It's really not a pussy move to punch a guy and stand your ground, it's more idiotic and could hurt a team in a game not down 4 runs in the 7th. However, the guy is an exceptional defensive player and isn't bad at the plate either. He's well liked by the fans and team in Toronto and it's not really that big a deal. Did he deserve to get hit when he next batted, ABSOLUTELY. However, they chose not to do it and it doesn't really surprise me based on the team and way most baseball is played these days.

[TheGameHHH]

honestly, who thought it was a good idea to build a 4 story deck in left field in Queens?

[cougarjake13]

honestly, who thought it was a good idea to build a 4 story deck in left field in Queens?

some dumb mets fan

[underdog]

As long as he can touch the bag its legal. Where the hell did you guys learn to play baseball??? Being able to break up a double play is a skill and its as important as stealing bases. Escobars a fucking pussy. Diaz shouldve gotten up and punched him right in the teeth. The best part is that faggot took the time to swing at the runner rather then try and jump over him and make the double play work. Way to go asshole. Glad hes not on my team.

Clean it up? You were also against being able to run over the catcher, right? Please, you guys already pussied up hockey, ruining the sport, and are well on your way to doing the same in football. How about leaving baseball the way it is and not fucking that up too?

So attacking the second baseman is ok but the second baseman retaliating for basically the same move the night before makes him a "faggot"? If you're going to go after a second baseman hard, you should be prepared for some payback.

Also, I have very little pull in the major sports leagues, so I'm not really sure who you're talking about. I did have a little something to do with the elimination of slide tackles in the MLS, but the MLB and NBA just won't answer my phone calls.

[underdog]

Jesus someone needs to tone it down a touch. Escobar was a being a baby on that I totally agree, yet it seems this stems from issues bt the two back in Atlanta when on the same team and an slightly iffy slide brought out bad blood rather quickly. It's really not a pussy move to punch a guy and stand your ground, it's more idiotic and could hurt a team in a game not down 4 runs in the 7th. However, the guy is an exceptional defensive player and isn't bad at the plate either. He's well liked by the fans and team in Toronto and it's not really that big a deal. Did he deserve to get hit when he next batted, ABSOLUTELY. However, they chose not to do it and it doesn't really surprise me based on the team and way most baseball is played these days.

No, you don't understand. He retaliated like most men would. That makes him a faggot. Real men like TS just take it and take it and take it.

[spoon]

It's getting hot in here!

[A.J.]

It's getting hot in here!

So take off all your clothes...

[spoon]

WAY ahead of you!



dspy voice minus the gravel, "I am gettin So hot, I wanna take my clothes off!"

[disneyspy]

turn your damn camera on!

[spoon]

I feel like it's 1993 bc the Jay's crowd has been HUGE back to back (Halladay's return...lineup card hand in yesterday standing O and of course today's start). However, they are INCREDIBLY loud and all over this AWFUL ump. He's frustrated every pitcher that has gone up there and is all over the map.

It all came to a climax when HUGE John Rauch put too really close pitches out there that ended up both being called balls to Howard and led to an insurance run with a very close call at the plate (correctly called safe). However, all 6' 11" Rauch went nuts after immediately (pitcher mind you) getting tossed for giving the up a little shit on the play and it took every coach in the dugout to hold him back. Then Farrell went nuts about the strike zone and got tossed too. It seemed he was also pissed about the short leash with a pitcher too, not one Jay was warming up. So he argued enthusiastically for a long time as Camp warmed up from the mound.

Funny stuff, another Halladay win.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

R.I.P. Meet the Mets songwriter


http://www.lohud.com/article/20110702/NEWS01/107020336/Rye-Brook-songwriter-Meet-Mets-dies-84?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Frontpage

[spoon]

As a tribute, reyes sacrificed his hamstring!

[cougarjake13]

As a tribute, reyes sacrificed his hamstring!

i know someone will, may even be the mets

but the guy gets injured too much to give him a huge carl crawford deal like hes been reported to want

[spoon]

When on though he's pretty unreal. Go get him Yanks!

[A.J.]

Andrew McCutchen doesn't make the NL All-Star team? Seriously?

[cougarjake13]

Andrew McCutchen doesn't make the NL All-Star team? Seriously?

fucking gay

who was the pirates representative ?? i hate that rule but who was more deserving on pirates then him ?

[cougarjake13]

When on though he's pretty unreal. Go get him Yanks!

and where would he play ? jeter aint moving

he didnt move for arod and cano is at second and we all saw the debacle it was moving reyes to 2nd anyway

[disneyspy]

milwaukees pitcher just hit a grand slam,his first homer

[cougarjake13]

milwaukees pitcher just hit a grand slam,his first homer

marcum must be juicing

[hanso]

That's my fantasy team pitcher. Don't look like it helped him/me win. The game was tied when I saw the stat deal.

[cougarjake13]

That's my fantasy team pitcher. Don't look like it helped him/me win. The game was tied when I saw the stat deal.

yeh it depends if in ur fantasy league ur pitchers get credit for offense

[A.J.]

fucking gay

who was the pirates representative ?? i hate that rule but who was more deserving on pirates then him ?

I think it was Joel Hanrahan, their closer.

[Earlshog]

I think it was Joel Hanrahan, their closer.

Should be, he is leading the NL in saves...

[cougarjake13]

Should be, he is leading the NL in saves...

ahh i guess i cant argue that then

[WRESTLINGFAN]

C C might be shunned at being named this year as part of the AS team. I think he is scheduled to pitch Sunday however he could still be named. He has a chance of being 13-3 at the break but it looks like Ron Washington wont budge.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

C C might be shunned at being named this year as part of the AS team. I think he is scheduled to pitch Sunday however he could still be named. He has a chance of being 13-3 at the break but it looks like Ron Washington wont budge.

Correction, could be 13-4 by the break

[TripleSkeet]

I cant wait til they find out what new undetectable steroid Jose Bautista is taking.

[spoon]

Fuck yourself! They say he's been tested and scrutinized more than any player in a long time. Focus ur steroid aim on those linked, caught or admitted. So I guess anyone who ever turns things around with any power in their game, or anyone with power coming up for that matter will have to endure this tripe. When a guy is caught, which many have been since they gave two fuck in case u haven't noticed, kill the asshole fine. I guess by ur standards worley and lee must also be on the juice right?

[spoon]

Not that u even care, the integrity of the game doesn't seem to matter to u in any way on this subject.

[underdog]

Fuck yourself! They say he's been tested and scrutinized more than any player in a long time. Focus ur steroid aim on those linked, caught or admitted. So I guess anyone who ever turns things around with any power in their game, or anyone with power coming up for that matter will have to endure this tripe. When a guy is caught, which many have been since they gave two fuck in case u haven't noticed, kill the asshole fine. I guess by ur standards worley and lee must also be on the juice right?

Isn't it a random, anonymous system? How would he be tested more if it were random and how would we know about it if it were anonymous?

But then again, I really don't give a shit about players taking steroids.

[epo]

I cant wait til they find out what new undetectable steroid Jose Bautista is taking.

Albert Pujols healed from a fractured wrist in 2 weeks.

Start with him.

[TripleSkeet]

Fuck yourself! They say he's been tested and scrutinized more than any player in a long time. Focus ur steroid aim on those linked, caught or admitted. So I guess anyone who ever turns things around with any power in their game, or anyone with power coming up for that matter will have to endure this tripe. When a guy is caught, which many have been since they gave two fuck in case u haven't noticed, kill the asshole fine. I guess by ur standards worley and lee must also be on the juice right?

Hahahahaha I couldnt even understand those last sentences. You must really be pissed?!! Even if he was tested, thats why I said UNDETECTABLE. And no, I wouldnt say that about Lee or Worley, lol pitchers who 1 has always been good, and 1 thats just coming up, and we dont even know how good he is or isnt yet. But Ill tell you what, if Carlos Ruiz comes out of nowhere and hits almost 30 home runs by the all star game next year I will say the same thing about him, and pray hes sharing it with the rest of the team! Because your right, dont bother me none!

[spoon]

I'm not pissed, there's just nothing factual to back up your claim. I refuse to think the Jays would sign a guy w/o fully following and looking into his workout habits in this day in age, much less any team. Also, he's the same size, not odd morphing at all or has lost any of his defensive abilities.

I guess it's just the nature of the beast these days, but pretty shitty for those guys who do work hard and find a way to attain new heights.

If you want a guy who is in my mind will eventually get linked to steroids and the like, look no further than Tiger Woods. Everything fits and now he's been intimately linked to two steroid peddling docs and more. I can't say for sure, but man does it fit this guy in soo many areas.

[TripleSkeet]

I'm not pissed, there's just nothing factual to back up your claim. I refuse to think the Jays would sign a guy w/o fully following and looking into his workout habits in this day in age, much less any team. Also, he's the same size, not odd morphing at all or has lost any of his defensive abilities.


Its just very odd to see someone improve that dramatically in baseball. The guy had 2 partial and 4 full seasons where he never hit over 16 home runs. Then out of nowhere, with Toronto as a home stadium, a deep park, he puts up 54? Now this year hes got 28 already?

In all honesty I just look and have flashbacks of Brady Sizemore, Raphael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa.

If hes clean thats awesome, it really is. But to say its not even a little....odd? Usually if youre a home run hitter youre a home run hitter. Youre not a hit for average guy that just turns into a home run hitter out of nowhere 7 years into your career. That just very rarely happens.

[underdog]

If I google search for "jose bautista" the second suggestion was "jose bautista steroids". hahaha

But, other than that, the man is fucking impossible to read. His numbers (other than HR) don't jump around very much. They've all stayed around the same level (except for his BABIP, which was actually, very strangely considering the season, extremely low in 2010). I don't think he's on steroids, I just think he's changed his swing a bit. The fact that he's having an even better season this year is awesome. I think he's just found his stroke.

[spoon]

Its just very odd to see someone improve that dramatically in baseball. The guy had 2 partial and 4 full seasons where he never hit over 16 home runs. Then out of nowhere, with Toronto as a home stadium, a deep park, he puts up 54? Now this year hes got 28 already?

In all honesty I just look and have flashbacks of Brady Sizemore, Raphael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa.

If hes clean thats awesome, it really is. But to say its not even a little....odd? Usually if youre a home run hitter youre a home run hitter. Youre not a hit for average guy that just turns into a home run hitter out of nowhere 7 years into your career. That just very rarely happens.

Ok, first off you're wrong on the Roger's Centre being "a deep park" and your implication there. The park is usually ranked in the top 10 as a HR park (based on sample of last 10 years), often top 5. It's no yankee stadium for lefties or anything, but you can't just make shit up and expect to get it through.

Next, you almost make my second point for me. Yes he was never really a clear cut starter in the league, and even his 16 hr season it wasn't even close to a full season at the plate, and his VERY FIRST ONE! He hit 16 in 400 abs in his first somewhat full season without a steady position (still doesn't have it). Give him another 150 or so to make it a full season at the plate he's in the mid 20's easy. Now let's factor in he's a fucking rookie this year you speak of.

So let's move about 5 years later, role established, position (2 of them) nailed down and almost 200 extra at bats and it's not so unreal a turnaround. Players usually DO get better power numbers from their first year. In fact, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that almost every hr hitter follows this path.

Oh and he was in the hr derby in the minors a few times, he spoke of it recently as it was something he showed there and teams were expecting from him. This out of nowhere is insane to me, even if it is a pretty amazing turnaround.

Finally, he's pretty much a dead pull hitter with TONS of bat speed. The major key to his development was simply his timing. The proportion of his hrs to any other field but left is soooo low it's unreal people haven't found a better way to deal with him. They have tried, but he's also worked on going the other way and his average jump this year truly shows that effort. He's even put some more out that way this year, but most are wall scraping fly balls he gets the end of the bat on.

[spoon]

If I google search for "jose bautista" the second suggestion was "jose bautista steroids". hahaha

But, other than that, the man is fucking impossible to read. His numbers (other than HR) don't jump around very much. They've all stayed around the same level (except for his BABIP, which was actually, very strangely considering the season, extremely low in 2010). I don't think he's on steroids, I just think he's changed his swing a bit. The fact that he's having an even better season this year is awesome. I think he's just found his stroke.

The other transition I've seen in him is how vocal he has become in a very good way. He's truly becoming a team leader, if not THE team leader with Romero. The core of this team is more exciting then it has been in many many years. I like the direction, and 2012 may just be the year they make some good noise. It'll be pretty hard to do it this year with the youth gaining their legs, our bullpen's inability to close it out (Rauch, Fransisco and more), and the constant rotation of starters (youth/inexperience again), but they are fun to watch.

Batista, Snider, Thames in the outfield (Gose in the works)...Lawrie, Hechavarria, Escobar and Lind in the infield (Lawrie coming real soon, Hechavarria still in the air), Arencibia/d'Araund behind the plate. Romero, Morrow, Jackson, Cecil, Mills and many more arms here or coming. Hoping, man...hoping.

[Earlshog]

Ok, first off you're wrong on the Roger's Centre being "a deep park" and your implication there. The park is usually ranked in the top 10 as a HR park (based on sample of last 10 years), often top 5. It's no yankee stadium for lefties or anything, but you can't just make shit up and expect to get it through.

Next, you almost make my second point for me. Yes he was never really a clear cut starter in the league, and even his 16 hr season it wasn't even close to a full season at the plate, and his VERY FIRST ONE! He hit 16 in 400 abs in his first somewhat full season without a steady position (still doesn't have it). Give him another 150 or so to make it a full season at the plate he's in the mid 20's easy. Now let's factor in he's a fucking rookie this year you speak of.

So let's move about 5 years later, role established, position (2 of them) nailed down and almost 200 extra at bats and it's not so unreal a turnaround. Players usually DO get better power numbers from their first year. In fact, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that almost every hr hitter follows this path.

Oh and he was in the hr derby in the minors a few times, he spoke of it recently as it was something he showed there and teams were expecting from him. This out of nowhere is insane to me, even if it is a pretty amazing turnaround.

Finally, he's pretty much a dead pull hitter with TONS of bat speed. The major key to his development was simply his timing. The proportion of his hrs to any other field but left is soooo low it's unreal people haven't found a better way to deal with him. They have tried, but he's also worked on going the other way and his average jump this year truly shows that effort. He's even put some more out that way this year, but most are wall scraping fly balls he gets the end of the bat on.


You nailed it.... A good hitting coach is worth there weight in gold!

[TheGameHHH]

Its just very odd to see someone improve that dramatically in baseball. The guy had 2 partial and 4 full seasons where he never hit over 16 home runs. Then out of nowhere, with Toronto as a home stadium, a deep park, he puts up 54? Now this year hes got 28 already?

In all honesty I just look and have flashbacks of Brady Sizemore, Raphael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa.

If hes clean thats awesome, it really is. But to say its not even a little....odd? Usually if youre a home run hitter youre a home run hitter. Youre not a hit for average guy that just turns into a home run hitter out of nowhere 7 years into your career. That just very rarely happens.

We're talking about Brady Anderson right?

[TripleSkeet]

We're talking about Brady Anderson right?

Thats what I meant. Good catch.

[spoon]

Ok, first off you're wrong on the Roger's Centre being "a deep park" and your implication there. The park is usually ranked in the top 10 as a HR park (based on sample of last 10 years), often top 5. It's no yankee stadium for lefties or anything, but you can't just make shit up and expect to get it through.

Next, you almost make my second point for me. Yes he was never really a clear cut starter in the league, and even his 16 hr season it wasn't even close to a full season at the plate, and his VERY FIRST ONE! He hit 16 in 400 abs in his first somewhat full season without a steady position (still doesn't have it). Give him another 150 or so to make it a full season at the plate he's in the mid 20's easy. Now let's factor in he's a fucking rookie this year you speak of.

So let's move about 5 years later, role established, position (2 of them) nailed down and almost 200 extra at bats and it's not so unreal a turnaround. Players usually DO get better power numbers from their first year. In fact, it's pretty much a foregone conclusion that almost every hr hitter follows this path.

Oh and he was in the hr derby in the minors a few times, he spoke of it recently as it was something he showed there and teams were expecting from him. This out of nowhere is insane to me, even if it is a pretty amazing turnaround.

Finally, he's pretty much a dead pull hitter with TONS of bat speed. The major key to his development was simply his timing. The proportion of his hrs to any other field but left is soooo low it's unreal people haven't found a better way to deal with him. They have tried, but he's also worked on going the other way and his average jump this year truly shows that effort. He's even put some more out that way this year, but most are wall scraping fly balls he gets the end of the bat on.

We're talking about Brady Anderson right?

Thats what I meant. Good catch.

Yep, same thing as Brady played during the steroids run rampant era, he had a HUGE transformation in size and also hit a whopping 1 hr his rookie season in a similar sample of at bats to Batista in his first in which he hit 16.

The similarities just keep coming too! Brady had average at best bat speed, locked in a position and started steady for one team for almost a decade before the big year. Oh and he never had another year like it, and shrunk in size as he got worse. Odd I think, no?

The only, AND I mean only tie in is a big home run year SEEMINGLY out of nowhere. It's wrong in Bautista's case, as his stats extrapolated out shows he was more than capable of hitting good numbers. Is 50 a surprise, hell isn't for just about anyone in any year without steroids? If McGriff and Jr. played in any other era they'd be GODS in this game. Unfortunately for them they had scumbags cheating all over making them look like a lesser great in the time. Unfortunate, but it's MLB's fuckup to say the least.

[spoon]

On another note, watching pardon the int and Bob Ryan is a complete homer and amazingly douchey.

Oh and who the fuck is Bomani Jones?! I know I can look him up and did, but what the fuck in Bomani, let alone he's awful.

[Snacks]

On another note, watching pardon the int and Bob Ryan is a complete homer and amazingly douchey.

Oh and who the fuck is Bomani Jones?! I know I can look him up and did, but what the fuck in Bomani, let alone he's awful.

Bob Ryan has always been douchey. Hes a rotten tooth, piece of shit. How is this guy on tv looking like that with those fucked up dirty, cracked, crooked teeth? He also sounds like he has marbles in his mouth. I have never liked him and hope he goes away soon!

[spoon]

Bob Ryan has always been douchey. Hes a rotten tooth, piece of shit. How is this guy on tv looking like that with those fucked up dirty, cracked, crooked teeth? He also sounds like he has marbles in his mouth. I have never liked him and hope he goes away soon!

The problem is he was shown the replay of the play at the plate and a replay discussion in MLB ensued. He refused to believe video proof in front of them all and stated his hometown team didn't benefit from a bad call. It happens in MLB I get it, but to be that much of a homer is idiotic and unacceptable. And yah, tough to listen to.

Oh and MLB needs to get with the times and add replay for huge moments in games...especially with scoring plays! Fucking Selig won't do anything unless the spanks tell him to.

[cougarjake13]

On another note, watching pardon the int and Bob Ryan is a complete homer and amazingly douchey.

Oh and who the fuck is Bomani Jones?! I know I can look him up and did, but what the fuck in Bomani, let alone he's awful.




i think he was on around the horn but other than that i got nothing

[spoon]

i think he was on around the horn but other than that i got nothing

my bad, i was watching around the horn, not PTI

for some reason I get those two confused!

[Jayw]

Josh Hamilton kills a poor father. Guy takes a header from the stands 20 feet into a steel beam trying to catch a ball thrown to him.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpp/sports/mlb/rangers/070711-fan-falls-over-railing-at-rangers-game

In seriousness though that has to be a terrible event for the son.

Edit- Sorry my link had a video but I think they took it down.

[spoon]

As the article says, this happens almost a year to the day the guy there fell from the second deck 30ft and fractured his skull, ankle and foot.

[spoon]

lawsuits aplenty on the way (MLB, Texas Rangers, the ballpark and of course Hamilton).

and mlb banning anyone throwing balls into the stands, especially at the edge of higher seats.

so sad that his kid saw it all and watched him squirm below after the fall

so awful.

[Snacks]

Why do people go crazy and take chances for a fucking baseball? Sad news, I feel terrible for his son who watched. I hope Josh Hamilton doesnt blame himself and spiral into his dark places!

[TripleSkeet]

lawsuits aplenty on the way (MLB, Texas Rangers, the ballpark and of course Hamilton).

and mlb banning anyone throwing balls into the stands, especially at the edge of higher seats.

so sad that his kid saw it all and watched him squirm below after the fall

so awful.

Im sure your right and that really sucks. I dont know when it started but it seemed like back in the day players rarely threw balls into the stands, something I always thought was just shitty. Now that they do I think its great. I really hope 1 terrible accident doesnt ruin everything for everyone else.

[spoon]

Im sure your right and that really sucks. I dont know when it started but it seemed like back in the day players rarely threw balls into the stands, something I always thought was just shitty. Now that they do I think its great. I really hope 1 terrible accident doesnt ruin everything for everyone else.

Saw the vid and it's soooo sad to see his little kid watch his dad fall and pretty much die.

unbearable

[TripleSkeet]

Saw the vid and it's soooo sad to see his little kid watch his dad fall and pretty much die.

unbearable

Im sure it is. Its horrendous. But I still dont see the point in banning something completely because of an accident. The same shit can happen just as easily tripping while walking toward the railing or from drinking at the game. Accidents happen.

[Tenbatsuzen]

lawsuits aplenty on the way (MLB, Texas Rangers, the ballpark and of course Hamilton).

and mlb banning anyone throwing balls into the stands, especially at the edge of higher seats.

so sad that his kid saw it all and watched him squirm below after the fall

so awful.

Texas deserves the lawsuit. Low rail, with a gap right there? Fucking ridiculously dangerous.

[spoon]

Im sure it is. Its horrendous. But I still dont see the point in banning something completely because of an accident. The same shit can happen just as easily tripping while walking toward the railing or from drinking at the game. Accidents happen.

Oh I agree completely, but man is that video tough to watch knowing he dies and it's his little son.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Reading his post game quotes re: the accident, Ron Washington is a fucking DOUCHE.

[spoon]

Reading his post game quotes re: the accident, Ron Washington is a fucking DOUCHE.

oh no, what did he say?

[Tenbatsuzen]

oh no, what did he say?

"Outwardly, Josh is fine. But he'll have to deal with this in his own way."

Way to support your players, Cokey

[spoon]

Josh is a big boy and has been through plenty. I see nothing wrong with that statement.

And which one is cokey?

[Tenbatsuzen]

Watched the video again. That railing is below waist height. Sue the fuck out of the team and whoever designed the park.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Josh is a big boy and has been through plenty. I see nothing wrong with that statement.

And which one is cokey?

I guess both could be cokey.

That said, I don't think tossing balls into the stands will be illegal because the same thing could have happened on a HR ball (and has happened before, but with less fatal outcomes)

Probably guidelines, like tossing balls into the side stands and not launching it into higher up seats.

[Snacks]

I just watched the video and it was weird because you knew the guy died after falling. He looked like your avg 35 year old father. Very sad watching his little son looking down, you could imagine how scared he was. The fall didnt look like he went far enough or lost balance to fall it looked odd not like someone falling and trying to keep their balance he just went over.

That problem is so easy to fix, raise the railing by 1 more bar length so about 8-12 more inches and how about putting a net between the railing and the wall so if someone falls they fall on to a net? The balls would also fall on to the net as well, there is no need for that gap between the of wall and the stands.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As an example, here's the right field fence in the old stadium. Notice how high the rail is:

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/00kudRLcwj5QS/610x.jpg

And at that point, you're less than half the distance off the ground (less than 10 feet) then where the Ranger fan fell.

[spoon]

there's no railing in fair territory

also, there has to be simple personal responsibility for things like this. It's a seat on flat ground which he left it and lunged at a low railing/end of the stands. I'm sorry, it's on him and I feel for the guy and his fam I do. People make errors in judgements, they normally don't have this large a cost.

[TripleSkeet]

I just watched the video and it was weird because you knew the guy died after falling. He looked like your avg 35 year old father. Very sad watching his little son looking down, you could imagine how scared he was. The fall didnt look like he went far enough or lost balance to fall it looked odd not like someone falling and trying to keep their balance he just went over.

That problem is so easy to fix, raise the railing by 1 more bar length so about 8-12 more inches and how about putting a net between the railing and the wall so if someone falls they fall on to a net? The balls would also fall on to the net as well, there is no need for that gap between the of wall and the stands.

I like the net idea. You could even make the openings wide enough so that the balls fall through it. Its a pretty easy way to cut down on alot of risk. I agree with spoon though that most of the fault lies with the guy. I mean youve gotta be more careful then that, its just a ball.

[TripleSkeet]

Just saw the video. Holy shit its even creepier because the announcers on tv are laughing about it as they are saying what happened.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I like the net idea. You could even make the openings wide enough so that the balls fall through it. Its a pretty easy way to cut down on alot of risk. I agree with spoon though that most of the fault lies with the guy. I mean youve gotta be more careful then that, its just a ball.

You, as a father, should know of all people that when you ask for a ball from Josh Hamilton and he throws it to you, YOU WANT THAT BALL FOR YOUR SON.

If that rail is 6 inches higher, he doesn't go head over ass over the rail.

[TripleSkeet]

You, as a father, should know of all people that when you ask for a ball from Josh Hamilton and he throws it to you, YOU WANT THAT BALL FOR YOUR SON.

If that rail is 6 inches higher, he doesn't go head over ass over the rail.

I agree, BUT I also know that Im not going to even come close to risk falling over that rail for a baseball. I dont care if its the ghost of Richie Ashburn throwing it to me. We can always go back and try for a ball at another game, but not if I go overboard. Of course in Philly I think I would just land in the flowerbed.

[spoon]

Father or not it's your own personal responsibility, not the fault of the rail.

Also, it was 10 ft less (at least) than the fall last year where the guy survived a plunge from the second deck. This guy seemingly had to hit in a brutal fashion, it's as if he never let go of the ball and even attempted to break his fall. Even in the vid at the top of the wall, he holds on to the ball, making no attempt to grab the wall or anything as he went over. It's brutal.

[foodcourtdruide]

Father or not it's your own personal responsibility, not the fault of the rail.



To a degree it is and to a degree it isn't. Someone is ultimately profiting off having people attend these games and that person (people) are responsible for the saftey of the patrons at the game. Should the guy not have leaned so forward? Yes. Was anyone responsible for persuading him to do so? That's debatable, but I'd say no.

However, was their a design flaw in the ballpark that allowed for such an accident to occur? I think so.

So, why should the group profiting (responsible for the saftey of people in attendance at the game) not be held somewhat responsible?

This really makes me think of the "Hot Coffee" conversation.

[Jujubees2]

Im sure your right and that really sucks. I dont know when it started but it seemed like back in the day players rarely threw balls into the stands, something I always thought was just shitty. Now that they do I think its great. I really hope 1 terrible accident doesnt ruin everything for everyone else.

I think when I was a kid (in the 1970s) players would get fined for throwing balls into the stands.

After the 1994 strike it seemed they were instructed to start throwing them into the stands. Now it seems after the third out of every inning the ball get thrown into the stands.

[A.J.]

I haven't seen anything this tragic since Maude Flanders died at the racetrack.

http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/BABF10/061.jpg

[TripleSkeet]

I think when I was a kid (in the 1970s) players would get fined for throwing balls into the stands.

After the 1994 strike it seemed they were instructed to start throwing them into the stands. Now it seems after the third out of every inning the ball get thrown into the stands.

Its definitely a cool, fan friendly gesture.

[Tenbatsuzen]

To a degree it is and to a degree it isn't. Someone is ultimately profiting off having people attend these games and that person (people) are responsible for the saftey of the patrons at the game. Should the guy not have leaned so forward? Yes. Was anyone responsible for persuading him to do so? That's debatable, but I'd say no.

However, was their a design flaw in the ballpark that allowed for such an accident to occur? I think so.

So, why should the group profiting (responsible for the saftey of people in attendance at the game) not be held somewhat responsible?

This really makes me think of the "Hot Coffee" conversation.

I read today that the rail meets the bare minimum for design "safety", but look at this:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/07/dal_a_rangers_fan_fell_b2_600.jpg

Notice how the rail is higher at the stairs then in front of the seats? The reason: sightlines!

I can understand that, but you have a gap and a steel beam there, thats a major fucking problem.

[TripleSkeet]

I read today that the rail meets the bare minimum for design "safety", but look at this:

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2011/07/dal_a_rangers_fan_fell_b2_600.jpg

Notice how the rail is higher at the stairs then in front of the seats? The reason: sightlines!

I can understand that, but you have a gap and a steel beam there, thats a major fucking problem.

I cant tell but it looks the same height as railings I see at most stadiums. I could be wrong though. I think the railing higher at the steps also might be for safety in case someone trips walking down the stairs.

[TheGameHHH]

Father or not it's your own personal responsibility, not the fault of the rail.

Also, it was 10 ft less (at least) than the fall last year where the guy survived a plunge from the second deck. This guy seemingly had to hit in a brutal fashion, it's as if he never let go of the ball and even attempted to break his fall. Even in the vid at the top of the wall, he holds on to the ball, making no attempt to grab the wall or anything as he went over. It's brutal.

I couldn't agree more. It's so sad that in this day and age there is no sense whatsoever of personal responsibility, its all about 'who can I sue?' because something bad happened.

I totally feel for the guy and his family, its horrible. However, I don't see the fault of the designers here. I'm sure the courts would/will if it ever goes there though.

[TripleSkeet]

I couldn't agree more. It's so sad that in this day and age there is no sense whatsoever of personal responsibility, its all about 'who can I sue?' because something bad happened.

I totally feel for the guy and his family, its horrible. However, I don't see the fault of the designers here. I'm sure the courts would/will if it ever goes there though.

Well there is partial blame simply because the guy fell over. He didnt jump. But yes, most of the responsibility lies with the guy.

[TheGameHHH]

Well there is partial blame simply because the guy fell over. He didnt jump. But yes, most of the responsibility lies with the guy.

Didn't someone say the designers met the minimum requirements for the height of the railing? As long as they met their qualifications, why should they be held responsible here? I'm not so good with building codes and all that so I'm not positive if that's true. In hindsight maybe the minimum height requirement should be raised but the fault shouldn't lay on those that abided by their codes, even if they did the minimum.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I cant tell but it looks the same height as railings I see at most stadiums. I could be wrong though. I think the railing higher at the steps also might be for safety in case someone trips walking down the stairs.

Go back and look at the rail I posted at Yankee stadium. That's chest-high. And since safety is the name of the game here, why have the railing lower in front of the seats than in front of the stairs? Because of sightlines. Because the owners wanted to make a buck instead of having "obstructed view seats".

No matter what, if there's a 20 foot fall to fucking CONCRETE there's gotta be more safety precautions there. Even if it's the bare minimum.


The thing that kills me the most about this accident is that the guy was Natasha Richardson'd. He was conscious, he was talking, and then dies 2 hours later.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Didn't someone say the designers met the minimum requirements for the height of the railing? As long as they met their qualifications, why should they be held responsible here? I'm not so good with building codes and all that so I'm not positive if that's true. In hindsight maybe the minimum height requirement should be raised but the fault shouldn't lay on those that abided by their codes, even if they did the minimum.

OK, don't sue the designers but DEFINITELY sue the team. They skimped on safety for the sake of a couple of dozen seats to have better sightlines. Of what? The fucking outfield? It's a 20 foot drop! We aren't talking seats in Yankee stadium where it you fall over, you'll land on the rubbery warning track or the bullpen grass.

[cougarjake13]

OK, don't sue the designers but DEFINITELY sue the team. They skimped on safety for the sake of a couple of dozen seats to have better sightlines. Of what? The fucking outfield? It's a 20 foot drop! We aren't talking seats in Yankee stadium where it you fall over, you'll land on the rubbery warning track or the bullpen grass.

poor design and its no excuse

yeh its hindsight now but something akin to the nets at hockey rinks will be imposed

[Tenbatsuzen]

poor design and its no excuse

yeh its hindsight now but something akin to the nets at hockey rinks will be imposed

And honestly, has that negatively impacted the game at all?

[spoon]

OK, don't sue the designers but DEFINITELY sue the team. They skimped on safety for the sake of a couple of dozen seats to have better sightlines. Of what? The fucking outfield? It's a 20 foot drop! We aren't talking seats in Yankee stadium where it you fall over, you'll land on the rubbery warning track or the bullpen grass.

No, and I guess you failed to see the lack of any rail AS I STATED in fair territory in yankee stadium. You find ways to douche up any fucking conversation by somehow making this the yankee's have done it better for no fucking reason. There HAVE been deaths at yankee stadium (old one, not sure on new one yet). However, just look at the guy in your picture. He's UNDER your perfect height bar and can fall very easy. You simply CAN NOT protect against every stupid fucking thing humans are capable of doing.

Ooo, look here at that HIGH rail to the sitting knees at yankee stadium. That can't POSSIBLY be high enough for the Greenbatsuzen!

http://www.parkwayreststop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yankee-stadium.jpg

Sorry, it's a tragedy no doubt, but not the fault of the stadium or team. Skimped on safety? I love how you KNOW they skimped on safety for sight lines versus built something up to the code of the time. You have a problem with the codes then, not the fucking team, stadium owners and designers. Go get on your white horse and change local Texas building code, HURRY you patriot you!

[Tenbatsuzen]

No, and I guess you failed to see the lack of any rail AS I STATED in fair territory in yankee stadium.

You said this before and I didn't try to correct you, but now I will. That picture I posted was of right field in Old Yankee Stadium. As you can see, that rail is above the
314 mark to the short porch. the lack of rail is in FOUL territory.

So yes, you stated something, but it's wrong.



You find ways to douche up any fucking conversation by somehow making this the yankee's have done it better for no fucking reason. There HAVE been deaths at yankee stadium (old one, not sure on new one yet). However, just look at the guy in your picture. He's UNDER your perfect height bar and can fall very easy. You simply CAN NOT protect against every stupid fucking thing humans are capable of doing.

How did I make it about the Yankees doing it better? I just brought up a picture of a stadium I was familiar with. I didn't say the Yankees did it better, I was just saying that in other stadiums, the rail is higher - it was to TripleSkeet's point about the rail "being the same" in other stadiums.

As for the guy below the bar: he's also SEATED and his waist is below the wall. Which again, makes it a lot harder to fall.



Ooo, look here at that HIGH rail to the sitting knees at yankee stadium. That can't POSSIBLY be high enough for the Greenbatsuzen!

http://www.parkwayreststop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/yankee-stadium.jpg


I see a knee high dining area that serves as a primary rail, then I see a foot or so of flat dining area people eat on, and then I see another rail that goes up at least 4-6 inches higher (the plexiglass in front of the dining area)

That's totally different then what is going on at the Rangers stadium. It's a lot harder to fall out of that because your body is at a completely different angle if you're reaching for a ball. If you tried to reach for the ball, your center mass would go over the dining area and your chest would be on the plexiglass, but you wouldn't fall over because your center is leaning over the dining area.


(Incidentally, I've sat in that section. Nice seats.)



Sorry, it's a tragedy no doubt, but not the fault of the stadium or team. Skimped on safety? I love how you KNOW they skimped on safety for sight lines versus built something up to the code of the time.


Then why is the rail higher in front of the stairs than in front of the seats if it's not about sight lines? The rail is higher at the stairs for SAFETY REASONS. So why wouldn't it be higher across the board?

[Snoogans]

You said this before and I didn't try to correct you, but now I will. That picture I posted was of right field in Old Yankee Stadium. As you can see, that rail is above the
314 mark to the short porch. the lack of rail is in FOUL territory.

So yes, you stated something, but it's wrong.



How did I make it about the Yankees doing it better? I just brought up a picture of a stadium I was familiar with. I didn't say the Yankees did it better, I was just saying that in other stadiums, the rail is higher - it was to TripleSkeet's point about the rail "being the same" in other stadiums.

As for the guy below the bar: he's also SEATED and his waist is below the wall. Which again, makes it a lot harder to fall.



I see a knee high dining area that serves as a primary rail, then I see a foot or so of flat dining area people eat on, and then I see another rail that goes up at least 4-6 inches higher (the plexiglass in front of the dining area)

That's totally different then what is going on at the Rangers stadium. It's a lot harder to fall out of that because your body is at a completely different angle if you're reaching for a ball. If you tried to reach for the ball, your center mass would go over the dining area and your chest would be on the plexiglass, but you wouldn't fall over because your center is leaning over the dining area.


(Incidentally, I've sat in that section. Nice seats.)



Then why is the rail higher in front of the stairs than in front of the seats if it's not about sight lines? The rail is higher at the stairs for SAFETY REASONS. So why wouldn't it be higher across the board?

ok im not in this thread, but i can address this.

International building code states the rail has to be at least 26 inches high around the section, and at least 42 inches high at the end of isles. The rail is higher there because of the codes. Everything in the stadium is built to or beyond codes.

[spoon]

You said this before and I didn't try to correct you, but now I will. That picture I posted was of right field in Old Yankee Stadium. As you can see, that rail is above the
314 mark to the short porch. the lack of rail is in FOUL territory.

So yes, you stated something, but it's wrong.



How did I make it about the Yankees doing it better? I just brought up a picture of a stadium I was familiar with. I didn't say the Yankees did it better, I was just saying that in other stadiums, the rail is higher - it was to TripleSkeet's point about the rail "being the same" in other stadiums.

As for the guy below the bar: he's also SEATED and his waist is below the wall. Which again, makes it a lot harder to fall.



I see a knee high dining area that serves as a primary rail, then I see a foot or so of flat dining area people eat on, and then I see another rail that goes up at least 4-6 inches higher (the plexiglass in front of the dining area)

That's totally different then what is going on at the Rangers stadium. It's a lot harder to fall out of that because your body is at a completely different angle if you're reaching for a ball. If you tried to reach for the ball, your center mass would go over the dining area and your chest would be on the plexiglass, but you wouldn't fall over because your center is leaning over the dining area.


(Incidentally, I've sat in that section. Nice seats.)



Then why is the rail higher in front of the stairs than in front of the seats if it's not about sight lines? The rail is higher at the stairs for SAFETY REASONS. So why wouldn't it be higher across the board?

First off, the point wasn't if it was fair or not, that clearly wasn't the point and doesn't matter at all. The point is you pigeonholed one side of the poll that had a rail as an example of how it is higher and the Ranger's should be of at least similar height. Yet on the other fucking side, a mere feet to the right there NO rail at all. Foul or fair, it doesn't matter. So yes, the semantics of your argument is right, I was off on the fair or foul territory. However, you are wrong on the OBVIOUS point and you're in classic Tenbat's mode. So yes, you posted something and it was entirely wrong and off point.

Second, that guy is definitely NOT sitting. In fact, he's already leaning over perhaps hoping to call out for a ball from the players himself? Bottom line here, he's not sitting and is easily UNDER your perfect rail and in danger! Just as you're not supposed to lunge OVER a railing in front of seats, going under one isn't promoted. God I hope the yankees have at least tarps bt the bars/rails in the new stadium to protect us all!

Next, your breakdown on the pic of the seats I posted is ludicrous. If they were even to come CLOSE to lunging like the poor guy in Texas did, the fans sitting in my pic are in for quite a fall. Not to mention there are spots all over every f'n stadium I've ever been to that almost completely match that of the one in Texas, including Yankee stadium. I've sat all over the old and new stadium and it's the same.

Finally, I have yet to be at a stadium that doesn't have extra railings on entrance points and or the endings of them. It's common f'n sense so I don't really think it needs to be explained. I'm guessing safety dictates that all railings should be exactly the same height too? As in places where people will mainly stand and be moving versus those where one usually sits or at least standing still?

[Snoogans]

Finally, I have yet to be at a stadium that doesn't have extra railings on entrance points and or the endings of them. It's common f'n sense so I don't really think it needs to be explained. I'm guessing safety dictates that all railings should be exactly the same height too? As in places where people will mainly stand and be moving versus those where one usually sits or at least standing still?

ok im not in this thread, but i can address this.

International building code states the rail has to be at least 26 inches high around the section, and at least 42 inches high at the end of isles. The rail is higher there because of the codes. Everything in the stadium is built to or beyond codes.
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[spoon]

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Yah, saw that after I posted. I'm sure two people saying the same thing won't influence him at all. Perhaps a retort on how the yankees built safer escalators for their old stadium. So safe people could sit on the rail and not worry of falls?

[Snoogans]

my personal opinion is, anytime someone falls, they had to be, at the very least, being careless, if not a complete tool. Ive been to a ton of stadiums. Nothing was fuckin steeper than the upper deck at Shea Stadium. It was always in the back of my mind about falling.

When I was in Prudential Center, i actually commented about how low the rails were. But still, im not a moron, so I managed not to fall out tryin to catch a flying puck.

I saw the video of this dude. Its tragic, but he was also pretty fuckin careless. Its just a baseball. You take a real risk whenever you lean out over a railing like that. Its not the teams fuckin fault. its not the stadium. Its a guy not being careful enough with the decision he made. It sucks, esp for his kid, but its on him.

And aside from this, 99%, if not 100%, of all the other times i heard of someone falling at a stadium, they were doing some dumb shit. Like spoon said, sitting on the escalator. Or sliding down a rail or sitting on a ledge. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVEN TEMPT IT.

Last I checked, no one ever fell because they got excited by something and jumped up to cheer. They all were always pushing it.

[spoon]

The guy basically did the old reach over until you fall thing you often see on the ground level at the foul lines. They even kick people out of the games for this in some stadiums, so doing it even there comes with some risk. Now add a 30 ft drop and you have to be impaired or simply not thinking. He never seems to let go of the ball and attempt to grab the wall or anything to break his fall. I didn't study the thing and it's eery to watch any more. Yet it would be one thing if the railing broke and he fell, but he went OVER it knowing what he was trying to do. It's the poor guys fault and probably a momentary lapse of reason by a father hoping to get his kid a ball. Awful.

[A.J.]

Let's babyproof our stadia! We're all going to die otherwise!

[TripleSkeet]

my personal opinion is, anytime someone falls, they had to be, at the very least, being careless, if not a complete tool. Ive been to a ton of stadiums. Nothing was fuckin steeper than the upper deck at Shea Stadium. It was always in the back of my mind about falling.

When I was in Prudential Center, i actually commented about how low the rails were. But still, im not a moron, so I managed not to fall out tryin to catch a flying puck.

I saw the video of this dude. Its tragic, but he was also pretty fuckin careless. Its just a baseball. You take a real risk whenever you lean out over a railing like that. Its not the teams fuckin fault. its not the stadium. Its a guy not being careful enough with the decision he made. It sucks, esp for his kid, but its on him.

And aside from this, 99%, if not 100%, of all the other times i heard of someone falling at a stadium, they were doing some dumb shit. Like spoon said, sitting on the escalator. Or sliding down a rail or sitting on a ledge. WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVEN TEMPT IT.

Last I checked, no one ever fell because they got excited by something and jumped up to cheer. They all were always pushing it.

This.

Im sorry, but what it costs for good seats at a baseball game these days, the last thing I want to do is sit down and have a view of a fucking iron bar. I said this earlier, as an adult you have to have some common fucking sense. The guy dove for that baseball like it was a 1/2 a pound of 50s. I think the stadium is partially responsible just because he did fall, but its probably 80/20 the guys fault.

You cant idiot-proof a stadium. You have to decide, either you want a great viewing experience, or you want 100% safety. I would NEVER buy an outfield seat if they put nets up in the way. Thats just retarded.

[TheGameHHH]

I'm enjoying this stadium/railing topic as much as the next guy, but we should all pause for a moment and suck Derek Jeter's cock cause he's deserves it.

3,000 hits!!!!!

[Snoogans]

I'm enjoying this stadium/railing topic as much as the next guy, but we should all pause for a moment and suck Derek Jeter's cock cause he's deserves it.

3,000 hits!!!!!

imagine if Jeter got to hit balls to Jeter playing SS? He would prob have 4000 hits by now

[TheGameHHH]

imagine if Jeter got to hit balls to Jeter playing SS? He would prob have 4000 hits by now

he'd easily have more than Rose at this point

[Snacks]

I just heard it was a HR for #3000? I hope thats true, it would be nice to see a fan make some cash off the ball. I hope he doesnt give it to Jeter for some signed jerseys and balls. If he does he an idiot!

[TheGameHHH]

I just heard it was a HR for #3000? I hope thats true, it would be nice to see a fan make some cash off the ball. I hope he doesnt give it to Jeter for some signed jerseys and balls. If he does he an idiot!

It was a homerun, the guy asked for nothing. He just wanted Jeter to have the ball because 'he deserved it and worked so hard to get where he is'. The Yankees gave him Champions Suite tix to every game for the rest of the year, including postseason. Legends seats, front row, for tomorrows game. Plus they gave him so signed balls, bats and jerseys. He was also told he could meet Jeter after the game. That seems very fair to me. If I was lucky enough to catch that ball I would have done the exact same thing, even without knowing what I would have received.

[Snacks]

It was a homerun, the guy asked for nothing. He just wanted Jeter to have the ball because 'he deserved it and worked so hard to get where he is'. The Yankees gave him Champions Suite tix to every game for the rest of the year, including postseason. Legends seats, front row, for tomorrows game. Plus they gave him so signed balls, bats and jerseys. He was also told he could meet Jeter after the game. That seems very fair to me. If I was lucky enough to catch that ball I would have done the exact same thing, even without knowing what I would have received.

Fair? The value of the ball was estimated last week to be worth or sell at auction for around $500k to 1 million because it was jeter, yankee stadium and the 1st yankee in their historic franchises to hit 3000. Not fair at all and Jeter was already paid for his hard work with over $250 million in salary plus whatever he has made in ad money.

[TheGameHHH]

Fair? The value of the ball was estimated last week to be worth or sell at auction for around $500k to 1 million because it was jeter, yankee stadium and the 1st yankee in their historic franchises to hit 3000. Not fair at all and Jeter was already paid for his hard work with over $250 million in salary plus whatever he has made in ad money.

To you it's about money. To people that are Yankees fans, especially those of us that love Jeter, it's not about money. Maybe I'm speaking for people without knowing their feelings and that may be unfair, but at least speaking for me and the guy that caught the ball it's not about how much money the ball was worth it was just a privlege to catch the ball in the first place. That was enough.

[spoon]

Shut the fuck up game. There's zero honor in handing a millionaire his ball back! Cash in kid, wtf is that family thinking. If anything it just proves yankee fans are stupid front running douches. Go back to sucking a guys cock bc he won the equivalent of the geneic lottery in mlb. I cant wait to see all his milliions sitting on the bench for years to come.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I posted in the 3000th hit thread that I would sell it to the highest bidder. I am a Yankee fan but In my opinion catching the ball on your own without trampling over someone isnt a crime and its not a crime to get half a mill for a 3000th hit or 500th HR.

[Snacks]

Shut the fuck up game. There's zero honor in handing a millionaire his ball back! Cash in kid, wtf is that family thinking. If anything it just proves yankee fans are stupid front running douches. Go back to sucking a guys cock bc he won the equivalent of the geneic lottery in mlb. I cant wait to see all his milliions sitting on the bench for years to come.

I just had this conversation. Yankee fans are so fucking stupid. They live and die by this team and its all time greats. The amount of money it cost to be a yankee fan would make me sick and to give even more back to this team is idiotic. Its like middle class people voting for tax breaks for the rich or when you make $30k a year yet vote against your own interest and vote republican because you hope to 1 day be in that situation.

Next time you yankee fans want a autographed baseball go to 1 of the many yankee events. See how much they charge you to enter and then how much it is to buy certain players autographs. Yeah they care about you and your money!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I just had this conversation. Yankee fans are so fucking stupid. They live and die by this team and its all time greats. The amount of money it cost to be a yankee fan would make me sick and to give even more back to this team is idiotic. Its like middle class people voting for tax breaks for the rich or when you make $30k a year yet vote against your own interest and vote republican because you hope to 1 day be in that situation.

Next time you yankee fans want a autographed baseball go to 1 of the many yankee events. See how much they charge you to enter and then how much it is to buy certain players autographs. Yeah they care about you and your money!

As a lifelong Yankee fan, Youre right on some of these points. Some of these Jeter freaks make me laugh. They actually believe that hes on the same level as Mays, Ruth, Aaron or Williams. Yes Jeter is a hall of famer but not even on their level

[TheGameHHH]

I just had this conversation. Yankee fans are so fucking stupid. They live and die by this team and its all time greats. The amount of money it cost to be a yankee fan would make me sick and to give even more back to this team is idiotic. Its like middle class people voting for tax breaks for the rich or when you make $30k a year yet vote against your own interest and vote republican because you hope to 1 day be in that situation.

Next time you yankee fans want a autographed baseball go to 1 of the many yankee events. See how much they charge you to enter and then how much it is to buy certain players autographs. Yeah they care about you and your money!

are you poor dude? that must suck

[Snacks]

are you poor dude? that must suck

I never got paid $17 million a year. So I would rather take care of my family and have more money for the future then let some rich guy get something for free that could have made my life more comfortable.

Are you rich? Do you make so much money that you can throw away $1 million because you want to blow Jeter? Who once again doesnt give a shit about you or your family!

[TripleSkeet]

I just had this conversation. Yankee fans are so fucking stupid. They live and die by this team and its all time greats. The amount of money it cost to be a yankee fan would make me sick and to give even more back to this team is idiotic. Its like middle class people voting for tax breaks for the rich or when you make $30k a year yet vote against your own interest and vote republican because you hope to 1 day be in that situation.

Next time you yankee fans want a autographed baseball go to 1 of the many yankee events. See how much they charge you to enter and then how much it is to buy certain players autographs. Yeah they care about you and your money!

As much as I LOATHE the Yankees, there are fans of every team dumb enough to give it back. Its not just a Yankee thing.

Personally I couldnt see myself giving this guy back the ball, then 15 years later explaining to my son he has to go $40k or so into debt because I cant afford to send him to college. sailor said it in the last thread, the guys worth $250 million. If the ball is so fucking important to him, spend a million and get it back for yourself.

I know if I had $250 in my pocket, and somebody was willing to sell me something that held great sentimental value to me, I wouldnt mind giving the guy $1 for it.

[Snoogans]

are you poor dude? that must suck

ok, am i the only one who thinks that if game had caught the ball, his mind would IMMEDIATELY go to how much money he can get and say fuck jeter? he is a fan of a team that has LeBron James on it, after all

[Snacks]

ok, am i the only one who thinks that if game had caught the ball, his mind would IMMEDIATELY go to how much money he can get and say fuck jeter? he is a fan of a team that has LeBron James on it, after all

No I actually think you're wrong snoogs. I think the game is such a a die hard loser of a fan of the yanks and of jeter that he would do anything to meet him and give him the ball. These types of fans think that players care about their fans and would be friends with them. They have no clue about reality and would go to as many events as possible to just be in the same room with their "hero"

These types of fans will miss their childs birth because the yanks are on or quit their jobs because they have the opportunity to sit behind home plate of a world series game. Their entire lives revolve around their fav teams and or players.

[Tenbatsuzen]

Personally, I'm of two minds of this.

1) Guy is stupid. If I caught that ball, I have a mortgage to pay and a daughter to send to college.

HOWEVER

2) Jeter is one of the most hallowed Yankees. I don't think A-Rod would get the same treatment than Jeter has when it's time for his 3,000 -- and looking at age and stats now, he's the closest one. Don't think Pudge has another 150 hits left in him.

Guy can still make a decent amount of money from his seats, and it's possible he could sell his somewhat unbelievable story to a movie company that could make a family-friendly sports comedy or romantic film from.

Seriously. You do the right thing, everyone screams at you you're being stupid, but doing the right thing could possibly land you more acclaim and money than just selling it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

These types of fans will miss their childs birth because the yanks are on or quit their jobs because they have the opportunity to sit behind home plate of a world series game. Their entire lives revolve around their fav teams and or players.

Oh fuck you. Seriously. I am a huge Jeter fan and I've been wrestling with the question all day about what I would have done with the ball. But you wanna know what I was doing when Jeter hit 3000? I was at a water park with my daughter.

[Tenbatsuzen]

As much as I LOATHE the Yankees, there are fans of every team dumb enough to give it back. Its not just a Yankee thing.

Personally I couldnt see myself giving this guy back the ball, then 15 years later explaining to my son he has to go $40k or so into debt because I cant afford to send him to college. sailor said it in the last thread, the guys worth $250 million. If the ball is so fucking important to him, spend a million and get it back for yourself.


The Steinbrenner family has a habit of sending kids to college on their dime. Before I hand that ball over, that is something that I ask about.

[Tenbatsuzen]

No I actually think you're wrong snoogs. I think the game is such a a die hard loser of a fan of the yanks and of jeter that he would do anything to meet him and give him the ball. These types of fans think that players care about their fans and would be friends with them. They have no clue about reality and would go to as many events as possible to just be in the same room with their "hero"

These types of fans will miss their childs birth because the yanks are on or quit their jobs because they have the opportunity to sit behind home plate of a world series game. Their entire lives revolve around their fav teams and or players.

BTW, you just described one of the members of the "Never Miss a Super Bowl" club VISA pimped last year. Said guy was a Patriots fan.

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW, is it just me, or is it kind of awful that the Rangers are appealing to the public to donate to a fund for Shannon Stone's kid?

[Snacks]

Personally, I'm of two minds of this.

1) Guy is stupid. If I caught that ball, I have a mortgage to pay and a daughter to send to college.

HOWEVER

2) Jeter is one of the most hallowed Yankees. I don't think A-Rod would get the same treatment than Jeter has when it's time for his 3,000 -- and looking at age and stats now, he's the closest one. Don't think Pudge has another 150 hits left in him.

Guy can still make a decent amount of money from his seats, and it's possible he could sell his somewhat unbelievable story to a movie company that could make a family-friendly sports comedy or romantic film from.

Seriously. You do the right thing, everyone screams at you you're being stupid, but doing the right thing could possibly land you more acclaim and money than just selling it.

Yeah they are going to make a movie about some fat pig who was sitting in the bleachers and threw away $500k to his idol who could wipe his ass with $100 bills if he wanted while that idiot sits in $10 seats!

And who says giving Jeter the ball is the right thing? The right thing is taking care of your own family. Im sure even if you didnt need the money someone in your family could. Maybe a brother you mother etc. Why not make their lives a little better?

Oh fuck you. Seriously. I am a huge Jeter fan and I've been wrestling with the question all day about what I would have done with the ball. But you wanna know what I was doing when Jeter hit 3000? I was at a water park with my daughter.

Your response above proves that Yankee fans are exactly as I stated. "Jeter is one of the most hallowed Yankees"... Who gives a shit he played for your fav team at a time when their fans were looking to crown their next king. Mariano is more important to the Yanks success and deserves more credit then Jeter. Jeter isnt even the 2nd best ss on the yanks this year (ARod and Nunez are both better). Jeter has never been the best player on his own team any given year. He has always had an all star team around him making his #s a lot easier to get and inflate. If he played for any other team he would be out the league already with no fan fair.

The Steinbrenner family has a habit of sending kids to college on their dime. Before I hand that ball over, that is something that I ask about.

Thats nice of them. How many people have they fucked over in life to make the money they have made? And that has nothing to do with Jeter. Jeter should buy this guy a house or pay for his kids college. Do you really think Jeter will ever pay that guy any mind? No he wont he will laugh that the yankee faithful are such sheep that he suckered them out of a million dollar ball.

BTW, you just described one of the members of the "Never Miss a Super Bowl" club VISA pimped last year. Said guy was a Patriots fan.

He was a loser too. I watched the commercials and thought that instantly!


BTW, is it just me, or is it kind of awful that the Rangers are appealing to the public to donate to a fund for Shannon Stone's kid?

What should they be doing? Nothing? Im sure they are doing everything they can to raise money for his family and Im sure they are donating as well. You seem to have a problem with everything except when it comes to the good ol yankees. You think the moron who caught the ball was doing the right thing to give Jeter the ball but a team looking to help a family during a tough time is uncalled for? Priorities!

[TripleSkeet]

Seriously, who the fuck says giving the ball back is the right thing to do? Who made that rule? The rule of baseball is home runs caught by fans become property of the fans. Whatever they decide to do with it is up to them. I never said its the right move to keep the ball, I said it was the smart move.

"Yea money is cool but Im only 23 years old, Ive got plenty of time to make some." Spoken like the dumbest mother fucker Ive ever heard. Way to go kid. You just gave up the chance to become a 23 year old millionaire in the middle of a near depression so you could meet Derek Jeter, he could say thanks, then go to out to celebrate at a party you arent invited to. By tomorrow youll have been forgotten. (Nobody makes movies about these idiots Matty, get real) Good fortune is wasted on the fucking dumb.

[StanUpshaw]

Not keeping it was stupid, but let's not get crazy here...that ball is not worth anywhere close to a million bucks.

[Snacks]

Not keeping it was stupid, but let's not get crazy here...that ball is not worth anywhere close to a million bucks.

We will never know but some guy on ESPN said the ball would be around $500K because of it being Jeter, the Yankees first ever 3000 hit player and whatever else he said. Then when he was asked what if it was a home run, he said it could fetch $1 million or even more.

I dont think any memorabilia is worth that much. I cant think of 1 piece of memorabilia that I would truly want. To me its all a waste of money and space. Why even spend $500 on a baseball? All it does is sit there, collect dust and you cant even use it ever again. Its not like its art or 1 of a kind, all baseballs look the same and can be bought for $5 at any sporting good store! What so great about that? So you could tell other retards "ooh look I have a ball signed by someone"? who cares?

[Tenbatsuzen]

We will never know but some guy on ESPN said the ball would be around $500K because of it being Jeter, the Yankees first ever 3000 hit player and whatever else he said. Then when he was asked what if it was a home run, he said it could fetch $1 million or even more.

THE FUCKING BONDS BALL DIDN'T EVEN GET A MILLION BUCKS

[Tenbatsuzen]

BTW. Mike Hogan is the person who caught Wade Boggs 3000th hit. Also a home run. Also gave it back to him for the same exact reasons Lopez did. So fuck your logic that the Yankee fans are some sort of ball licking sycophants.

[Snacks]

THE FUCKING BONDS BALL DIDN'T EVEN GET A MILLION BUCKS

What is your point? Was a Bonds an yankee? Was bonds blown by the fans and media like Jeter is? There are so many reasons why a ball goes for what it goes for. You really are stupid and have no sense of reality or how things are valued or work. You live in a fucking bubble!

[Tenbatsuzen]

(Nobody makes movies about these idiots Matty, get real)

sigh.

http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/image/article/962/962324/it-could-happen-to-blu-20090313010532419_640w.jpg

[Snacks]

BTW. Mike Hogan is the person who caught Wade Boggs 3000th hit. Also a home run. Also gave it back to him for the same exact reasons Lopez did. So fuck your logic that the Yankee fans are some sort of ball licking sycophants.

And Wade Boggs 3000th hit while on the TB rays has the same value as Jeters?

BTW he is just as stupid as the yankee fan. Even if the ball was worth $50k I would rather me have the money then some rich ball player who doesnt need the money. If the ball is that important the ball player can hand over some cash. If not, fuck him!

[Tenbatsuzen]

What is your point? Was a Bonds an yankee? Was bonds blown by the fans and media like Jeter is? There are so many reasons why a ball goes for what it goes for. You really are stupid and have no sense of reality or how things are valued or work. You live in a fucking bubble!

So are you going to put on your memorabilia valuation hat and tell me? Any talking head on ESPN who values it at a million dollars is talking out of their ass. The memorabilia market and the economy on a whole sucks. At the time, at the top of the bubble in 2007, the McGwire record breaking ball got 2.4. There is no way, no chance in hell that ball would fetch that much today.

[Tenbatsuzen]

And Wade Boggs 3000th hit while on the TB rays has the same value as Jeters?

BTW he is just as stupid as the yankee fan. Even if the ball was worth $50k I would rather me have the money then some rich ball player who doesnt need the money. If the ball is that important the ball player can hand over some cash. If not, fuck him!

Well, you're a greedy twat who things the world owes him something for making him retarded, so who's to say?

[Tenbatsuzen]

After all is said and done, the Shannon Stone baseball will probably be worth about 5 million though...

[Earlshog]

I personally find it refreshing in these days and times this historic moment wasn't tarnished by some fan looking for a payday. Some may think think guy is a fool but I see at is showing some integrity. I'd like to think that if I caught Mike Scmidts 500 HR Id hand him the ball and not put it on ebay. Id also like to think that if this guy ever hits some hard times, or if his Mom needs money for a medical issue, or his kid need his college paid for Jeter would take care of it.

[Tenbatsuzen]

I personally find it refreshing in these days and times this historic moment wasn't tarnished by some fan looking for a payday. Some may think think guy is a fool but I see at is showing some integrity. I'd like to think that if I caught Mike Scmidts 500 HR Id hand him the ball and not put it on ebay. Id also like to think that if this guy ever hits some hard times, or if his Mom needs money for a medical issue, or his kid need his college paid for Jeter would take care of it.

Integrity. Good word. Christian Lopez is basically the complete opposite of this douche and a half, which I currently imagine to be like Snacks...

http://www.happyyoungster.com/the_story

[Snacks]

Well, you're a greedy twat who things the world owes him something for making him retarded, so who's to say?

Im greedy but the guy who has $250 plus million isnt for expecting someone to give him his lottery ticket (AKA the ball)?

You are a fucking idiot. I now understand spoons utter hate and disgust for you!

[Snacks]

Integrity. Good word. Christian Lopez is basically the complete opposite of this douche and a half, which I currently imagine to be like Snacks...

http://www.happyyoungster.com/the_story

Whats so great about that story? That some retard with a yellow shirt caught a ball by illegally leaning over into the field of play and got kicked out? Or that some nobody sports caster remembered him and told him to wear the yellow t shirt?

You really need a life if this is what makes you happy. I know I asked this before but how do you get anything done or spend time with your family? You listen to talk radio from morning til night and you seem to be 1 of those retarded baseball fans that must watch ever pitch of every game while sitting in your recliner, keeping score while also listening to the game on the radio so you dont miss a thing while also rubbing one out to your boy jeter!

[spe5150]

Shut the fuck up game. There's zero honor in handing a millionaire his ball back! Cash in kid, wtf is that family thinking. If anything it just proves yankee fans are stupid front running douches. Go back to sucking a guys cock bc he won the equivalent of the geneic lottery in mlb. I cant wait to see all his milliions sitting on the bench for years to come.

Yankee fans are so fucking stupid. They live and die by this team and its all time greats. The amount of money it cost to be a yankee fan would make me sick and to give even more back to this team is idiotic.
Yeah they care about you and your money!

It is amazing the venom & vitriol that is spewed on this board. I can't think of a single forum where an intelligent, back & forth discussion of opinions happens...least of all the sports forum. I expected to see this discussion pop up, but was hoping for a "what would you settle for to return the ball?" group of personal lists, etc. There were a few, but like every new topic around here, it devolves within 3 posts into:

Poster #1: THIS IS MY OPINION & THERE IS NO OTHER VALID OPINION THAT I WILL ACCEPT!

Poster #2: THEN YOU ARE A RETARD WHO SHOULD GO KILL YOURSELF!

Poster #1: GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER!

And, by the way, it's that same passion that you condemn Yankees fans for having that you are showing (albeit in reverse) with your hatred. Yes, there are braindead Yankee bandwagon jumpers & there are "fans" who like to rah-rah the team when it's good but don't know their ass from their elbow about the nuances of the sport, but for the love of god you've got to post a graduate thesis to not get picked apart around here. Mellow the fuck out.

Lastly, fuck you spoon & snacks for making me agree with Tenbats on a subject.

Just my 2¢...flame on, fellas.

[StanUpshaw]

This guy could have really earned my respect if he

1. Decided against cashing in on the ball
2. Decided against giving it back and feeding into the ridiculous, infantile (and more than a little gay) athlete worship culture
3. Instead, threw the ball into a wood chipper in protest of the simple-minded notion that 3000 means a goddamn thing just because it's a big round number. Reject the primitive impulse to assign special meaning to an arbitrary milestone. Baseball numerology is no better than biblical numerology, and we're all being a bunch of little Harold Campings right now.

[spoon]

To you it's about money. To people that are Yankees fans, especially those of us that love Jeter, it's not about money. Maybe I'm speaking for people without knowing their feelings and that may be unfair, but at least speaking for me and the guy that caught the ball it's not about how much money the ball was worth it was just a privlege to catch the ball in the first place. That was enough.

Crip, it was more like this...

HHH posted: Fuck you all, yankee fans are the truth truth. Oh and fuck any other opinion bc that guy catching it was "privileged" (actually not a direct quote bc I can spell and changed it a touch) and he should fall in line at the altar of Jeter.

My post: For fuck's sake here we go again with the yankee suck-festers.

Tenbats post: Texas owes a guy 5 million for his own awful mistake and Jeter was wronged bc the ball wasn't delivered to him with fries and two new models to fuck at the after party where they drink $1000 bottles of Champagne and do lines off of Russian strippers. I wish I could fuck Jeter and blow Steinbrenner's dead corpse.


Simply posting my retort to H alone kills the context of where my response came from, including the LONG history in the thread w/ guys like him, BDC and Tenbats. If he had posted even some semblance of an opinion not loaded with an all mighty fan perspective, and fucking worship of a guy who hits a ball that goes beyond insanity, perhaps I would have just countered it with my opinion on it. Acting as if this thread isn't LOADED with BDC types versus MLB fans overall is simply being blind. This thin skin approach as well, being we're all a bunch of fucking guys on a MESSAGE BOARD, seems quite pathetic to me. I guess it's a shame we'd have an opinion that could help a YANKEE fan's life versus just being a idiotic fanboy wasn't up for debate.

The only way I hand a guy a ball was in the old day when they went to fucking war like Ted Williams even though they played pro ball. For serving our country they actually earned my ability to hand over a piece of history I have every right to as a fan. In fact, I'm not even sure at this point, but the money those guys made was NOTHING compared to these coddled fucks in sports today. These guys (most) are so fucking jaded any more, he thinks it's owed to him I'm sure. He got fucking 7 million AT LEAST over value bc of the pressure the org had from the fans. That's every year and they won't even come close to making that back. If I was him, make yourself a legend right now and do something to shock me. He won't bc he seemingly already let the yanks give him seats that weren't probably going to sell anyway. To me, they gave nothing as well in the end as far as something that actually costs them. It's a seat. Sorry, weak fucking sauce.

[spoon]

This guy could have really earned my respect if he

1. Decided against cashing in on the ball
2. Decided against giving it back and feeding into the ridiculous, infantile (and more than a little gay) athlete worship culture
3. Instead, threw the ball into a wood chipper in protest of the simple-minded notion that 3000 means a goddamn thing just because it's a big round number. Reject the primitive impulse to assign special meaning to an arbitrary milestone. Baseball numerology is no better than biblical numerology, and we're all being a bunch of little Harold Campings right now.

wood chipper idea, yes

[spoon]

So are you going to put on your memorabilia valuation hat and tell me? Any talking head on ESPN who values it at a million dollars is talking out of their ass. The memorabilia market and the economy on a whole sucks. At the time, at the top of the bubble in 2007, the McGwire record breaking ball got 2.4. There is no way, no chance in hell that ball would fetch that much today.

for the filthy rich, we are at the top of the bubble now, not in 07

those are the guys who have crazy money to blow on bs like this, not the people hit by the economy in it's current state.

there's no telling what the ball would bring, but easily 6 figures and probably more over time

my favorite line of the post is matty going after someone else for making GUESSES on the value based on discussion on it. this from the guy who puts on 50 other "hats" so much people rip him across the board for it and there are tags poking fun at this very thing! so cute!

[spoon]

BTW, you just described one of the members of the "Never Miss a Super Bowl" club VISA pimped last year. Said guy was a Patriots fan.

PERFECT, HHH is a pats fan too. The normal fan he is. Pats, Yanks, Heat, Notre Dame! You can't even make that up. Oh sorry H, forgot you're probably a Maverick/Auburn fan now right?!

:lol:

[Tenbatsuzen]

Whats so great about that story? That some retard with a yellow shirt caught a ball by illegally leaning over into the field of play and got kicked out? Or that some nobody sports caster remembered him and told him to wear the yellow t shirt?

that's the point, snacks. do you always hear wind whistling in your ears as things go over your head?


You really need a life if this is what makes you happy. I know I asked this before but how do you get anything done or spend time with your family? You listen to talk radio from morning til night and you seem to be 1 of those retarded baseball fans that must watch ever pitch of every game while sitting in your recliner, keeping score while also listening to the game on the radio so you dont miss a thing while also rubbing one out to your boy jeter!

You have got to be the dumbest fucker on this board and I'm really glad a comment like this solidified my vote for you in the who's wrong thread. Wanna know what I was doing when Jeter hit his 3000th hit? I was in a water park playing with my kid. I didn't even know what happened til we were driving home and I checked my texts.

[disneyspy]

language!

[Tenbatsuzen]

It is amazing the venom & vitriol that is spewed on this board. I can't think of a single forum where an intelligent, back & forth discussion of opinions happens...least of all the sports forum. I expected to see this discussion pop up, but was hoping for a "what would you settle for to return the ball?" group of personal lists, etc. There were a few, but like every new topic around here, it devolves within 3 posts into:

Poster #1: THIS IS MY OPINION & THERE IS NO OTHER VALID OPINION THAT I WILL ACCEPT!

Poster #2: THEN YOU ARE A RETARD WHO SHOULD GO KILL YOURSELF!

Poster #1: GO FUCK YOUR MOTHER!

And, by the way, it's that same passion that you condemn Yankees fans for having that you are showing (albeit in reverse) with your hatred. Yes, there are braindead Yankee bandwagon jumpers & there are "fans" who like to rah-rah the team when it's good but don't know their ass from their elbow about the nuances of the sport, but for the love of god you've got to post a graduate thesis to not get picked apart around here. Mellow the fuck out.

Lastly, fuck you spoon & snacks for making me agree with Tenbats on a subject.

Just my 2¢...flame on, fellas.

No flame from me. Perfectly stated. I wish I could post things here and not get into shit where family is called out (see Snacks' post above) but people who hate the Yankees are so fucking irrational with their hate there is no chance to have a logical discourse.

I said in this thread I've been debating about it all day, but my main point is that I understand where Lopez was coming from. Somehow, that translates into me being a Yankee ball licker, even though I've probably spent about less than 200 bucks on Yankee related stuff in the last 2.5 years, and the majority of it was for my daughter.

[TripleSkeet]

sigh.

http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/image/article/962/962324/it-could-happen-to-blu-20090313010532419_640w.jpg

Thats not even close to the same thing, and you know it. Did you see 61? They didnt even mention the the security guard that handed the ball back to McGwire.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As someone who has been a Yankees fan all my life, I hate a lot of these Yankee fans, especially the Post 1996 Bandwagon fans. Especially the ones that have pinstripe everything from Jerseys to fucking bedsheets. They dont know shit about the game. I mean with them you just cant get 5 or 6 of them together and just talk baseball in general. And the characterization of some of these fans are true. They will miss important events like their own wedding , birth of their children etc just to see Jeter get his 3000th hit.

Im 38 and there are some people in my age group, mid-late 30s who were Met fans in 1986 and didnt give a fuck that the Yankees never made it to the playoffs from 82 until 95 when they won the WC.

[TripleSkeet]

THE FUCKING BONDS BALL DIDN'T EVEN GET A MILLION BUCKS

Barry Bonds broke a 2 year old record at a time when the league was in disarray over a steroids scandal, plus he wasnt a Yankee. Yes that has alot to do with it because alot of hardcore Yankees fans are rich fuckers with tons of money to waste on memorabilia.

I happen to know one. He was on ESPN bidding back and forth with Todd Macfarland over McGwires 70th home run ball. He bid $900,000 before being outbid. If that baseball was a Yankees he wouldve definitely bid more.

Youre talking Derek Jeter + 3000th hit ball + a home run. Thats even more rare then catching a 500th home run ball because its only happened twice in history. Most times a 3000th hit can be a single or double and handed right back by the umpire after the play. This guy could definitely have gotten 500 grand for it and I wouldnt be surprised if at auction it went up to a million just because it was Jeter and hes a Yankee. These assholes can pay $80,000 a year for season tickets, you dont think they can drop a mill on such a rare ball???

[Snacks]

that's the point, snacks. do you always hear wind whistling in your ears as things go over your head?



You have got to be the dumbest fucker on this board and I'm really glad a comment like this solidified my vote for you in the who's wrong thread. Wanna know what I was doing when Jeter hit his 3000th hit? I was in a water park playing with my kid. I didn't even know what happened til we were driving home and I checked my texts.

Doesn't change my question. You still said that you listen to 10 hours of talk radio a day. You seem to watch "almost all" Yankee and Jets games. so like I said you are 1 of those losers I was talking about.

Please you are by far the dumbest person on this board and possibly the most hated! I really dont care if you or some others think "Im most wrong" or not. Do you have a Jeter #2 jersey? You have to because only females wear them and you are 1 big bitch!

[Snacks]

Barry Bonds broke a 2 year old record at a time when the league was in disarray over a steroids scandal, plus he wasnt a Yankee. Yes that has alot to do with it because alot of hardcore Yankees fans are rich fuckers with tons of money to waste on memorabilia.

I happen to know one. He was on ESPN bidding back and forth with Todd Macfarland over McGwires 70th home run ball. He bid $900,000 before being outbid. If that baseball was a Yankees he wouldve definitely bid more.

Youre talking Derek Jeter + 3000th hit ball + a home run. Thats even more rare then catching a 500th home run ball because its only happened twice in history. Most times a 3000th hit can be a single or double and handed right back by the umpire after the play. This guy could definitely have gotten 500 grand for it and I wouldnt be surprised if at auction it went up to a million just because it was Jeter and hes a Yankee. These assholes can pay $80,000 a year for season tickets, you dont think they can drop a mill on such a rare ball???

You are arguing with a moron who knows nothing about reality. He lives in a world that revolves only around entertainment and talk radio. He probably never had friends growing up and read comics and played video games as a child rather then having friends and playing sports.

[disneyspy]

simmer down,the childish name calling in this thread has reached warning levels

[sailor]

Thats not even close to the same thing, and you know it. Did you see 61? They didnt even mention the the security guard that handed the ball back to McGwire.

as an employee i was under the impression he had no standing to keep it. it would be like if a ball girl picked up a ball that came her way.

[sailor]

simmer down,the childish name calling in this thread has reached warning levels

seriously, cut it out guys. thanks.

[Snoogans]

THE FUCKING BONDS BALL DIDN'T EVEN GET A MILLION BUCKS

relax chief. Cause everyone knew he was a clown. But guess what, a few of the McGwire balls. They got like a few mill. I think one even went for like 3 mill. And this is jeter, yankees, 3K, no roids. Trust me, that ball was goin for at least 500K. At LEAST

no one wanted bonds HR ball thats why

[cougarjake13]

relax chief. Cause everyone knew he was a clown. But guess what, a few of the McGwire balls. They got like a few mill. I think one even went for like 3 mill. And this is jeter, yankees, 3K, no roids. Trust me, that ball was goin for at least 500K. At LEAST

no one wanted bonds HR ball thats why



dont forget all the racist talk they brought up as well

[Snoogans]

dont forget all the racist talk they brought up as well

yea that too. and bonds is just a general douche and people didnt like him

[cougarjake13]

yea that too. and bonds is just a general douche and people didnt like him



yep add all those factors in and its no surprise it didnt get the money mcgwires got

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If I can put an break in the Jeter talk, Some of these game winning hit celebrations are too fucking much. Dioner Navarro of the Dodgers, hit a single in the bottom of the 9th after he rounds the bases a bunch of his teammates mob him and it looks like they pummel him to the ground. Nice going douches, one bad fall and hes out for the year.

[sailor]

If I can put an break in the Jeter talk, Some of these game winning hit celebrations are too fucking much. Dioner Navarro of the Dodgers, hit a single in the bottom of the 9th after he rounds the bases a bunch of his teammates mob him and it looks like they pummel him to the ground. Nice going douches, one bad fall and hes out for the year.

Thanks, grandma.

[hanso]

http://i.imgur.com/OrZcR.jpg

[cougarjake13]

If I can put an break in the Jeter talk, Some of these game winning hit celebrations are too fucking much. Dioner Navarro of the Dodgers, hit a single in the bottom of the 9th after he rounds the bases a bunch of his teammates mob him and it looks like they pummel him to the ground. Nice going douches, one bad fall and hes out for the year.



kendry morales

[A.J.]

If I can put an break in the Jeter talk, Some of these game winning hit celebrations are too fucking much. Dioner Navarro of the Dodgers, hit a single in the bottom of the 9th after he rounds the bases a bunch of his teammates mob him and it looks like they pummel him to the ground. Nice going douches, one bad fall and hes out for the year.

I hate the pie in the face gimmick. Gay.

[spoon]

That's ok bc cc sabathia got it from aj and he immediately ate it. Cc may have ended it right there.

[KnoxHarrington]

I interrupt this discussion of what you'd do with Jeter's balls to bring you this awesome quote from Torii Hunter of the Angels, on if the All-Star Break would hurt the Angels' momentum:

“I don’t know, man. I’m Negrodamus, not Nostradamus.”

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/11/torii-hunter-im-negrodamus-not-nostradamus/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Back to Jeters balls.

He owes 100K in student loans. Way to give up paying it back in a blink of an eye. Now pay all that interest you dope!!!


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/no_jeter_fan_is_having_ball_T9WiAWGa2dgTBy4gYe2NfO


BTW hes going to be in the red. Those seats he got for the rest of the year will cost him dearly. Any gift worth more than 12,500 is taxable

[TripleSkeet]

Back to Jeters balls.

He owes 100K in student loans. Way to give up paying it back in a blink of an eye. Now pay all that interest you dope!!!


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bronx/no_jeter_fan_is_having_ball_T9WiAWGa2dgTBy4gYe2NfO


BTW hes going to be in the red. Those seats he got for the rest of the year will cost him dearly. Any gift worth more than 12,500 is taxable

If I was his son Id put him in a home when he got older.

[Dirtbag]

I wish it had happened in Boston.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The comments that Lopez made he definitely sounds like one of those fans who would miss his own wedding for Yankee tickets, Im paraphrasing him

He said that he has no regrets on giving Mr Jeter his ball. Im 23, money is cool and all that but I have my entire life to make it up.

Mr Jeter?

What a friggin dope. It will take him decades to make that lost money back. He could have paid back every dime of his loans. Jeter has no obligation to do anything for him financially. Just like Lopez had no obligation to give back the ball. In cases like this, Id go for the guaranteed money. As posted before Jeter with his salary alone which he will be getting 51MM 68MM if he decides he wants to pay another year could have paid a million for that ball with no problem. Dont forget the endorsements from Ford Gatorade and Gillette for example, those are in the millions.

In the blink of an eye his life could have gotten a hell of a lot easier. He could have given his parents some money too, maybe their 401k or retirement were wiped out from the recession. Theres so many things he could have done with selling to the highest bidder. Im sorry, but yankee tickets and some bats dont compare to some good ole cash

[brettmojo]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kx4nl2PTMr1qzpzfmo1_400.jpg

http://web.wireimage.com/images/tnm/65122420.jpg

[spoon]

I interrupt this discussion of what you'd do with Jeter's balls to bring you this awesome quote from Torii Hunter of the Angels, on if the All-Star Break would hurt the Angels' momentum:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/11/torii-hunter-im-negrodamus-not-nostradamus/

I got a chance to meet him back a few years in Arizona at a bar during spring training. Guy was pretty funny and actually talked yankee hate with me for two beers. It was pretty surreal, but I felt bad bc I didn't know ANY of the other 10 players he introduced me to. Later he said, I really don't know them either yet, as he was still new to the team and they were mostly guys at lower levels in their first camp. He alone was the only MLB name there, or even close. I found it cool though he took them out and was paying for everything. Really like the guy, and yes he did cover our drinks as well.

[cougarjake13]

I interrupt this discussion of what you'd do with Jeter's balls to bring you this awesome quote from Torii Hunter of the Angels, on if the All-Star Break would hurt the Angels' momentum:



:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/07/11/torii-hunter-im-negrodamus-not-nostradamus/

hahaha:clap:

[spoon]

Cano put on a show in the hr derby.

[spoon]

Batista chose his bullpen catcher to throw to him, BADDD call.

[cougarjake13]

Cano put on a show in the hr derby.

was decent for a 2nd basemen

[Snoogans]

prince fielder looks just like a fat ben harper tonight

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Havent put it on yet. Please tell me. Berman isn't on doing his goofy back back back. Gone!!!!!

[Snoogans]

Havent put it on yet. Please tell me. Berman isn't on doing his goofy back back back. Gone!!!!!

its been changed to back back gone cause with no roids, the ball doesnt give him enough time

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Watching it now. If he says something like It was hit so hard it hit a cactus or went over the border, Im going to throw my shoe at the TV

[Snoogans]

Watching it now. If he says something like It was hit so hard it hit a cactus or went over the border, Im going to throw my shoe at the TV

i think he already used that one

[brettmojo]

These Hispanic players better remember they're in Arizona and quit talking in Spanish or some cop is gonna' walk up to them and ask them for their green cards.

[Snoogans]

apparently cano just hit one to "scotsdale"

[Snoogans]

i figured out the lower distances. They are measuring to where the ball actually lands, not where it woulda landed if it was able to get back down to the level it was hit from. So 450 actually would be like 485 is the seats didnt get in the way

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Canos father should take a few swings. He's stacked for a guy in his 50s

[brettmojo]

Erin Andrews, Kate Upton and Jennie Finch were at the celebrity softball game earlier THEY SHOULD BE IN THAT POOL NOW TOO!

[Snoogans]

you know whats in Yuma? Nick Papageorgio

[brettmojo]

You know... Cano wouldn't be anything if he wasn't on the Yankees.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

you see that kid trying his hardest to keep his beer out of the pool water

[brettmojo]

you see that kid trying his hardest to keep his beer out of the pool water
Can't blame him. That close to Mexico you'd really be taking your chances. Those illegals aren't just bringing crime and salsa music over that border with them.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Rickey still thinks Rickey can still play

[spoon]

These Hispanic players better remember they're in Arizona and quit talking in Spanish or some cop is gonna' walk up to them and ask them for their green cards.

Erin Andrews, Kate Upton and Jennie Finch were at the celebrity softball game earlier THEY SHOULD BE IN THAT POOL NOW TOO!

You know... Cano wouldn't be anything if he wasn't on the Yankees.

two out of three isn't so bad

those first two posts were pretty fucking funny too. Why did you have to ROOOOOON it with yet another fighting topic!? I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say the guy could play, but come on, you don't think playing on the big teams doesn't help you status and or has an ability to inflate your numbers? Look at who is around him in the f'n lineup. Batista had stints this year where he had Encarnacion and Patterson around him. Yes, that would have NO impact at all. Still, he's a very good player and people should send him 5 bucks each too so he can match Jeter's contract. Poor Cano, he's a milkman on the side for fuck's sake bc he's so poor...or so I hear.

[spoon]

Can't blame him. That close to Mexico you'd really be taking your chances. Those illegals aren't just bringing crime and salsa music over that border with them.

Or the fact it probably cost $15

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They should make it really authentic and have illegals clean the pool

[Snacks]

two out of three isn't so bad

those first two posts were pretty fucking funny too. Why did you have to ROOOOOON it with yet another fighting topic!? I'd be kidding myself if I didn't say the guy could play, but come on, you don't think playing on the big teams doesn't help you status and or has an ability to inflate your numbers? Look at who is around him in the f'n lineup. Batista had stints this year where he had Encarnacion and Patterson around him. Yes, that would have NO impact at all. Still, he's a very good player and people should send him 5 bucks each too so he can match Jeter's contract. Poor Cano, he's a milkman on the side for fuck's sake bc he's so poor...or so I hear.

I agree with what you are trying to say. The other day I wanted to see Jeters stats and Damons. Both are the same age both have played the same years, both have just about he same # of games. Look at what playing for the yanks did for Jeter compared to Damon. In the same amount of games and batting 8th and 9th for at least the 1st 2 or 3 seasons of his career and Damon leading off early on and never batting past 6th. Jeter still had about 500 or 600 more at bats then Damon. Thats huge and only because he has always played on an all star team. Lets be real Jeter benefited a great deal by playing on the yanks that his #s are inflated. He has more at bats and more hits because they scored more runs and pitched more often to Jeter who was never the nest or top 3 or 4 hitter or feared hitter on his team. Damon in some cases was the best or top 2 hitter on his team and also didnt have talent around him except in NY and Bos. So Jeter has had more chances to get hits based on the team he played for. He has more runs because of who batted behind him. We all agree that Jeter is better then Damon yet if Jeter didnt play for the yanks he would be out the league, wouldnt be loved and sure as hell wouldnt have 3000 hits and might not even be a .300 career hitter.

[brettmojo]

They should make it really authentic and have illegals clean the pool
When they're done cutting the grass and trimming the trees in the parking lot.

[ihaveabadmonkey]

run it out Kate Upton run it out please

[TripleSkeet]

Batista chose his bullpen catcher to throw to him, BADDD call.

Looks like its time to start a new cycle.

[spoon]

if anything it proves my argument, not yours

timing is off, he's not going to be bombing it

however, he still hit a few and ended mid pack. I'm sure nerves didn't help but his pitcher was indeed AWFUL.

[TripleSkeet]

if anything it proves my argument, not yours

timing is off, he's not going to be bombing it

however, he still hit a few and ended mid pack. I'm sure nerves didn't help but his pitcher was indeed AWFUL.

What? Are you serious? The guys obviously juiced. Come on. How cant you see that? Motherfucker hit like my grandmom until last year. Everything he usually hits now flys out of the park. Please. Im not the only one that thinks so. Sailor said it was the 2nd thing to come up when he googled him, i think. Shit. Other people see it too. Fucking guy is a power house now. For real. Steroids must be wearing off at the midway point. Perhaps he should take a trip over the border for some fresh supply. Or maybe just ask around town. Only reason you defend him is because he plays for your team. No way you wouldnt see him for a juiced if he was on another team.

[TripleSkeet]

These motherfucking dopes really dont learn! This is from tonight.....

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6208/344087803.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/344087803.jpg/)

[spoon]

What? Are you serious? The guys obviously juiced. Come on. How cant you see that? Motherfucker hit like my grandmom until last year. Everything he usually hits now flys out of the park. Please. Im not the only one that thinks so. Sailor said it was the 2nd thing to come up when he googled him, i think. Shit. Other people see it too. Fucking guy is a power house now. For real. Steroids must be wearing off at the midway point. Perhaps he should take a trip over the border for some fresh supply. Or maybe just ask around town. Only reason you defend him is because he plays for your team. No way you wouldnt see him for a juiced if he was on another team.

People are stupid TS, if the Jeter ball argument doesn't prove that I don't know what I can do to help you. He hit four w/ ten outs, so what, now he's done? I guess Cano stole his fast acting juice too right? He lit it up in every way. Or it's the eb and flow of the game and he lost to other top player. I'm actually somewhat kind of relieved he got knocked out quick as to do less damage to his mechanics/swing as seemingly has happened to other hitters in the past.

You're completely just trying to bait me regardless, bc I don't want to think one person can be so wrong...well outside of Justice.

[spoon]

These motherfucking dopes really dont learn! This is from tonight.....

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6208/344087803.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/344087803.jpg/)

That guy should sue the Diamondbacks for the risk he was under and whoever hit that homer.

[TripleSkeet]

What? Are you serious? The guys obviously juiced. Come on. How cant you see that? Motherfucker hit like my grandmom until last year. Everything he usually hits now flys out of the park. Please. Im not the only one that thinks so. Sailor said it was the 2nd thing to come up when he googled him, i think. Shit. Other people see it too. Fucking guy is a power house now. For real. Steroids must be wearing off at the midway point. Perhaps he should take a trip over the border for some fresh supply. Or maybe just ask around town. Only reason you defend him is because he plays for your team. No way you wouldnt see him for a juiced if he was on another team.

People are stupid TS, if the Jeter ball argument doesn't prove that I don't know what I can do to help you. He hit four w/ ten outs, so what, now he's done? I guess Cano stole his fast acting juice too right? He lit it up in every way. Or it's the eb and flow of the game and he lost to other top player. I'm actually somewhat kind of relieved he got knocked out quick as to do less damage to his mechanics/swing as seemingly has happened to other hitters in the past.

You're completely just trying to bait me regardless, bc I don't want to think one person can be so wrong...well outside of Justice.

Touche salesman.

[spoon]

you bastard

[spoon]

People are stupid TS, if the Jeter ball argument doesn't prove that I don't know what I can do to help you. He hit four w/ ten outs, so what, now he's done? I guess Cano stole his fast acting juice too right? He lit it up in every way. Or it's the eb and flow of the game and he lost to other top player. I'm actually somewhat kind of relieved he got knocked out quick as to do less damage to his mechanics/swing as seemingly has happened to other hitters in the past.

You're completely just trying to bait me regardless, bc I don't want to think one person can be so wrong...well outside of Justice.

Oh yah well...

[StanUpshaw]

:laugh:

[Snoogans]

These motherfucking dopes really dont learn! This is from tonight.....

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6208/344087803.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/344087803.jpg/)

ITS JUST A FUCKIN BASEBALL


jesus

[Snacks]

ITS JUST A FUCKIN BASEBALL


jesus

He jumped before the ball even got there and was already like that when you finally see the ball come into the video. He wasnt even close, the ball was 20 feet short and to his left he had no business even reaching for it. Asshole!

[ihaveabadmonkey]

The guy that almost fell already caught 3 home run balls before this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar11/news/story?id=6759862

[A.J.]

The guy that almost fell already caught 3 home run balls before this.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/allstar11/news/story?id=6759862

His next catch will be a Darwin Award.

[Jujubees2]

Here's the idiot before he almost fell

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/07/13/alg_hr_keith-carmickle_1.jpg

And he says that his group already caught three balls but he was "going for the cycle."

[ihaveabadmonkey]

to bad we can't trade this idiot for the guy in Texas

[brettmojo]

I didn't know Keith Stone made the AL all star team. Pitched pretty good.

[cougarjake13]

Touche salesman.

o fuck he went all kobayashi on you

[ihaveabadmonkey]

wow this all star game is re zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[cougarjake13]

wow this all star game is re zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

its very exciting


now we know that the phillies will have home field advantage

[epo]

At least K-Rod gets to play for a good team for the first time in a while.

[Snacks]

At least K-Rod gets to play for a good team for the first time in a while.

What was the trade? and did he re-sign for a new contract? I remember reading he wouldnt accept a trade and wave his huge payout next year unless the team that traded for him gave him a new contract.

[brettmojo]

Here's the idiot before he almost fell

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/07/13/alg_hr_keith-carmickle_1.jpg

And he says that his group already caught three balls but he was "going for the cycle."
http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee103/brettmojo/alg_hr_keith-carmickle_1.jpg

[Snoogans]

<iframe width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2p6qm8RKm5I" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[keithy_19]

My tv crapped the other night and we got a new one hooked up today.

The all star game looked really nice.

[epo]

What was the trade? and did he re-sign for a new contract? I remember reading he wouldnt accept a trade and wave his huge payout next year unless the team that traded for him gave him a new contract.

K-Rod plus cash for 2 players to be named later (reportedly low end prospects).

He did not get a new contract and will be pitching the 8th inning in Milwaukee. He'll then get to be a free agent this off-season.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

K-Rod plus cash for 2 players to be named later (reportedly low end prospects).

He did not get a new contract and will be pitching the 8th inning in Milwaukee. He'll then get to be a free agent this off-season.

Doesnt he get something like 17.5MM if he makes a minimum amt of appearances ? I remember hearing something about that

[realmenhatelife]

Doesnt he get something like 17.5MM if he makes a minimum amt of appearances ? I remember hearing something about that

I think there's an option for another year if he has 21 more appearances.




The Timberlake shit on the all star game was so painful last night. And ok, Brian Williams has a beard, we get it.

[foodcourtdruide]

Doesnt he get something like 17.5MM if he makes a minimum amt of appearances ? I remember hearing something about that

Not for amount of appearances, but if he gets the final out in games. He has to get the last out in 21 more games.

This was a great move by both teams, as the Brewers can possibly make K-Rod their set-up man so the option won't vest and the Mets got out of a TERRIBLE vesting option. Paying a closer $17.5m next season would have crippled this team financially.

I'm interested to see who the Mets will get back. The Mets included $5m in the deal, so while I don't think they'll be getting something GREAT back, I don't think it will be garbage either.

[foodcourtdruide]

At least K-Rod gets to play for a good team for the first time in a while.

Milwaukee is a whopping 2.5 games better than the Mets. Wow, I hope K-Rod can handle the difference.

[spoon]

The main difference is they do not have the phils and braves in their divison.

[foodcourtdruide]

The main difference is they do not have the phils and braves in their divison.

Exactly.

[Snoogans]

Doesnt he get something like 17.5MM if he makes a minimum amt of appearances ? I remember hearing something about that

he has to finish 55 games. so if he is pitching the 8th, its not even gonna matter

[underdog]

The Timberlake shit on the all star game was so painful last night. And ok, Brian Williams has a beard, we get it.

He was trashing Joe Buck. It was hilarious.

[foodcourtdruide]

He was trashing Joe Buck. It was hilarious.

When Jose Bautista made that great catch in the corner, Joe Buck sounded SO unexcited. He's so dry it's terrible. I can't stand that he calls almost every major sporting event.

[Snoogans]

i just saw the video of timberlake. Fuckin awesome. Joe Buck is so bad even timberlake knows his call is shit and he cant even hear it

[epo]

Not for amount of appearances, but if he gets the final out in games. He has to get the last out in 21 more games.

This was a great move by both teams, as the Brewers can possibly make K-Rod their set-up man so the option won't vest and the Mets got out of a TERRIBLE vesting option. Paying a closer $17.5m next season would have crippled this team financially.

I'm interested to see who the Mets will get back. The Mets included $5m in the deal, so while I don't think they'll be getting something GREAT back, I don't think it will be garbage either.

According to Tom Haudricourt, a Brewers beat writer, the Mets can choose two prospects from a list of five. None of those prospects are considered "top guys" in the Brewers system.

Looks like a pure salary dump for the Mets, which may actually be a very smart thing for them.

[underdog]

When Jose Bautista made that great catch in the corner, Joe Buck sounded SO unexcited. He's so dry it's terrible. I can't stand that he calls almost every major sporting event.

That was the fucking worst. "wow" I think was his reaction.

Go back and look at the Tyree catch in the Super Bowl against the previously undefeated Patriots. The complete lack of emotion that comes out of Buck on this amazing play is pitiful.

But he lost his mind when Moss pretended to moon the crowd in GB.

[TripleSkeet]

Beltran will be next. Rumor is SF.

[foodcourtdruide]

That was the fucking worst. "wow" I think was his reaction.

Go back and look at the Tyree catch in the Super Bowl against the previously undefeated Patriots. The complete lack of emotion that comes out of Buck on this amazing play is pitiful.

But he lost his mind when Moss pretended to moon the crowd in GB.

Dry is his gimmick, if interviewed he'd probably say something like, "i want to make the moment breath" Whatever, he sucks and it just sounds like he's half asleep.

[foodcourtdruide]

According to Tom Haudricourt, a Brewers beat writer, the Mets can choose two prospects from a list of five. None of those prospects are considered "top guys" in the Brewers system.

Looks like a pure salary dump for the Mets, which may actually be a very smart thing for them.

Agreed.

[foodcourtdruide]

Beltran will be next. Rumor is SF.

I think if the Mets end up assuming only some of his contract, and get major league ready starting pitching, this is a no brainer.

[Snacks]

i just saw the video of timberlake. Fuckin awesome. Joe Buck is so bad even timberlake knows his call is shit and he cant even hear it

snoogs find that video and post it please. I missed it and this is the 1st im even hearing of it.

[Snoogans]

snoogs find that video and post it please. I missed it and this is the 1st im even hearing of it.

i cant figure out how to imbed deadspins videos so its in this article

http://deadspin.com/5820817/justin-timberlake-at-the-all+star-game-drunk-sarcastic-drunk+sarcastic-or-just-obnoxious

[Snacks]

i cant figure out how to imbed deadspins videos so its in this article

http://deadspin.com/5820817/justin-timberlake-at-the-all+star-game-drunk-sarcastic-drunk+sarcastic-or-just-obnoxious

How could anyone not like Justin Timberlake?! That was great and Buck could tell he was fucking with him, he didnt seem to happy about that either.

[TripleSkeet]

How could anyone not like Justin Timberlake?! That was great and Buck could tell he was fucking with him, he didnt seem to happy about that either.

Yea well if ever showed emotion we might be could be sure if he was or not.

[Snoogans]

How could anyone not like Justin Timberlake?! That was great and Buck could tell he was fucking with him, he didnt seem to happy about that either.

the best part was after blatently fuckin with buck, grace asks him what he thinks of mccarver, and you could hear timberlake, whether acting or not, say completely seriously how much memphis loves him. It sounded so genuine it really pissed off buck. Then buck tried to insult his movie as a jab back and it was just terrible.

[foodcourtdruide]

Epo, this has headache all over it. Thank GOD the rest of this summer will not be about K-Rod's option vesting in Flushing.

From MLBTradeRumors.com

" agent Scott Boras spoke with Brewers GM Doug Melvin shortly after last night's trade, at which point Heyman says "Boras made the case that K-Rod should close, suggesting he wouldn't do nearly as well setting up." Melvin was apparently noncommital in that conversation, as he has been publicly. "

I love it. Scott Boras making baseball decisions. Melvin should have hung up on him or thrown him out of his office.

Even if the Mets get Crash Davis as a PTBNL, this was a deal Alderson HAD to make.

[realmenhatelife]

He was trashing Joe Buck. It was hilarious.

I appreciated that but after Artie Lang trashing Buck I think you need to bring it a bit harder.

I dont know, I saw talking about the pool and beer and I couldn't tell if he was being boring or ironic. I'm not gonna lie I was half watching it because I dont like him.

[underdog]

How could anyone not like Justin Timberlake?! That was great and Buck could tell he was fucking with him, he didnt seem to happy about that either.

I would have assumed you're the biggest Joe Buck fan in the universe.

[spoon]

When Jose Bautista made that great catch in the corner, Joe Buck sounded SO unexcited. He's so dry it's terrible. I can't stand that he calls almost every major sporting event.

If Jeter made that catch he would have found a way to somersault into the stands and yankee fans would be sucking the blood off his balls.

[epo]

Epo, this has headache all over it. Thank GOD the rest of this summer will not be about K-Rod's option vesting in Flushing.

From MLBTradeRumors.com

" agent Scott Boras spoke with Brewers GM Doug Melvin shortly after last night's trade, at which point Heyman says "Boras made the case that K-Rod should close, suggesting he wouldn't do nearly as well setting up." Melvin was apparently noncommital in that conversation, as he has been publicly. "

I love it. Scott Boras making baseball decisions. Melvin should have hung up on him or thrown him out of his office.

Even if the Mets get Crash Davis as a PTBNL, this was a deal Alderson HAD to make.

Let's face it, in Milwaukee K-Rod's contract option is NEVER going to vest. The reason many would state is money, but I would like to point out that at this moment John Axford is actually more effective than K-Rod.

And honestly Boras is being the asshole, and that's his job. I get that. And the Mets were really smart to trade K-Rod (plus cash) for basically nothing to get out of the deal.

Now the best thing Boras can do is remind K-Rod that performance will drive his next contract. Let's remember the fact that the Brewers will decline the option, use the Mets' money to pay the buyout. At that point, K-Rod essentially becomes an UNRESTRICTED free agent, which in the age of the Billy Bean/Moneyball MLB is a huge deal.

The interesting thing will be if Boras gets this point and makes the best of the situation.