~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[NickyL0885]

I like it.

according to @joelsherman1 report, deal on table is dickey/thole/prospect for d'arnaud/syndergaard/buck/prospect.

[spoon]

I like it.

too much on the jays end

and I like dickey and how they can help the Jays now, but TDA and Snyd are a lot alone...i would hope they'd get a harvey or wheeler back, but doubtful

my only hope is that this is bullshit from the ny writers and AA is working this like he usually does...nothing leaked

if it was JPA and Snyd I'd be fine with it, but TDA is the org's top prospect and Snyd #3...this BEFORE the Marlin move too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mets and Jays agree on principle pending a 2 year extension per MLB network

[cougarjake13]

Mets and Jays agree on principle pending a 2 year extension per MLB network



what's the final workings of deal ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

what's the final workings of deal ?



They have until Tuesday 2pm. If there's no extension the deal could be voided

[spoon]

They have until Tuesday 2pm. If there's no extension the deal could be voided

yah that's what he was asking fuckwad

Travis D'Arnaud, Noel Syndergaard and Buck for RA and his catcher Thole

* all contingent on the Jays getting an extension worked out by Wfool's listed deadline.

[cougarjake13]

I can only hope that this works the same as Cone for Jeff kent did

I know Ryan Thompson and others may have been involved in that deal but those two were the main guys

[A.J.]

too much on the jays end

and I like dickey and how they can help the Jays now, but TDA and Snyd are a lot alone...i would hope they'd get a harvey or wheeler back, but doubtful

my only hope is that this is bullshit from the ny writers and AA is working this like he usually does...nothing leaked

if it was JPA and Snyd I'd be fine with it, but TDA is the org's top prospect and Snyd #3...this BEFORE the Marlin move too.

This is exactly what I thought you'd say.

[TripleSkeet]

If I was a Jays fan Id be pissed. You just gave up some big prospects for a 38 year old knuckleballer. Fuck the CY Young, Id never do that deal.

[Kevin]

I will go out on a limb and predict that both the big spenders Jays and Dodgers, will finish in 3rd place at best.

[spoon]

I will go out on a limb and predict that both the big spenders Jays and Dodgers, will finish in 3rd place at best.

to who?

do i think they paid too much TS, sure

but let's be honest, a 38 year old knuckleballer is like a 30 year old power pitcher

look at wake, hough and the neikro boys...all got better near late 30s and pitched deep into their 40s at least

Not to mention Johnson, Dickey, Morrow, Burhle, Romero is unreal. Our #1 of last year is now our 5th fucking starter! I'm sorry, that's unheard of.

The lineup too is wicked. If they find a nice power bat from the bench, since we now kept Gose for extra speed, I see a sick year ahead. Tie in NY is a mess overall, Boston worse and getting older, while TB keeps losing top level players with no real replacements and wow. The door really is open for a short time and I can't get on them for striking now. they gave up some, that much is for sure, but they stocked up over the last few years just for this. I just hope JPA can man the fort until our other kid (Jimenez) that allowed this trade to happen comes up.

[Kevin]

Eh... You should be happy..

Its just a feeling..

And you know how those usually turn out for me...

[NickyL0885]

I fully expect, as a Mets fan, for these prospects we got to suck.

[spoon]

I fully expect, as a Mets fan, for these prospects we got to suck.

Nah, no chance with Travis...every person that watched him play and worked with him stated he's a plus defender with plus power for the position and a born leader. Sucks to lose him, especially with a kid like Synd too. He's probably a 2/3 starter, but solid already with his stuff. Still developing and all, since A ball is where he topped out, but both are safe bets in my mind if there ever were some. Travis comes with one concern for me, injuries, but they checked out for the Mets and Jays earlier. Synd isn't an ace in the making, but at times believed to have the best stuff in our org LOADED with top level pitching prospects. His main issue is a plus third pitch and not relying so heavily on his mid 90s heat so much. He had about 130 k's in 100 innings if I recall correctly, but that's still at low levels. Yet that does show the top of the rotation stuff some do believe he could hit. Perhaps if he does gain command of his change and breaking pitches he could be an ace in the making.

[spoon]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/12/dickeytime.jpg

[spoon]

if you have orange in your colors, we'll trade for your players

[newport king]

the pitcher will need tommy john and the catcher will have major back problems. hope not but cmon its the mets.
spoon the thing about dickey is he throws a hard knuckle. i hope he brings you a title this year but its not like old knucklers throwing it up there at 71mph.

[spoon]

the pitcher will need tommy john and the catcher will have major back problems. hope not but cmon its the mets.
spoon the thing about dickey is he throws a hard knuckle. i hope he brings you a title this year but its not like old knucklers throwing it up there at 71mph.

That's the pro AND con with RA. Can he keep up such velocity on a knuckleball into his 40's? Will the dome help or hurt the movement? AA is convinced it will actually enhance the movement, but we will see. I do however love the fact the rotation now consists of four drastically different arms...Morrow and Johnson are HARD throwing righties, Dickey of course is the hardest throwing knuckler ever (righty) and Romero is a strong throwing lefty, while Burhle is a crafty lefty. So you would expect something like the following for a rotation:

Morrow
Dickey
Burhle
Johnson
Romero

LOVE IT

And it's interesting how connected I've always felt with the Met fans since moving to the NYC area. We both have a HATE of the yankee assholes, both not so successful in the recent past and just that all around feeling of being the second fiddle in their respective cities unfortunately, but TRUE/REAL fans. You have to be to choose the mets over the spend and win yanks with all their history, as being a met fan is more a misery overall, but the win is all that better when it comes.

Toronto is second class to it's NHL cousin (no matter how bad) of course, yet here in lies yet another reason to strike up there right now. When rolling, pre strike year, the fans up there were awesome. However, they weren't as deep into the culture of MLB to jump right back and the post strike era has never allowed them to get the fans back. Add to it the new style of business MLB employed, much less their division, and it's a double issue unfortunately.

Almost any other team and I couldn't root for Travis and Noah, but with the Mets I certainly will. In a perfect world the Jays win a title or two in the next few years, while Travis and Noah lead the Mets to a few in the back end of this decade. I wish both those kids the best, and I think Travis will be an AMAZING leader under David's wing.

[Kevin]

Mets have it good and bad

bad because they will always be at most 3rd in the city behind Giants Knicks


good because baseball fans in NY are notorious front runners and it would take 2 3 years tops to be 1st in baseball if they are good and Yankees suck.

football basketball it takes at least a generation.

[spoon]

Mets have it good and bad

bad because they will always be at most 3rd in the city behind Giants Knicks


good because baseball fans in NY are notorious front runners and it would take 2 3 years tops to be 1st in baseball if they are good and Yankees suck.

football basketball it takes at least a generation.

not sure how you forgot the yanks, making them 4th...and one could argue below the Rangers too, as their fandom is quite fucking solid in the NYC area

yet like you said, when the mets are rolling the fans come back in mass, but those around now are real

[Kevin]

not sure how you forgot the yanks, making them 4th...and one could argue below the Rangers too, as their fandom is quite fucking solid in the NYC area

yet like you said, when the mets are rolling the fans come back in mass, but those around now are real

I said at best third taking my scenario of the Yankees sucking and the mets being top baseball team in town

[spoon]

my point kev is that they will always be behind the yanks, giants and knicks at least

yet I don't think the knicks rank as high as some here do

nba....zzzzzzzzz

[Kevin]

my point kev is that they will always be behind the yanks, giants and knicks at least

yet I don't think the knicks rank as high as some here do

nba....zzzzzzzzz

You are mistaken.

Knicks have probably the highest fan base off all the teams.

Good or bad.

Combined with the domestic fans and international, Its probably the most popular sport here.

It is the most internationaly followed of all sports.

Football as popular as it is, it is much more of an American sport

I am not counting Soccer because there are not as many fans here and no international fan follows the Redbulls.

No matter if you find it boring or not, its just more popular with the total population.

Rangers have a real good fan base but there are not nearly enough Hockey fans to be able to compete with baseball or other sports.

[spoon]

You are mistaken.

Knicks have probably the highest fan base off all the teams.

Good or bad.

Combined with the domestic fans and international, Its probably the most popular sport here.

No matter if you find it boring or not.

Rangers have a real good fan base but there are not nearly enough Hockey fans to be able to compete with baseball or other sports.

this knicks theory is the same exact one floated by Snoogans yet i have yet to see one shred of evidence at this point. show me something that puts then even NEAR NYY or the Giants. on the rangers, of course hockey is much more a niche sport, but in this market, this area, the ranger following is VERY solid.

[Kevin]

this knicks theory is the same exact one floated by Snoogans yet i have yet to see one shred of evidence at this point. show me something that puts then even NEAR NYY or the Giants. on the rangers, of course hockey is much more a niche sport, but in this market, this area, the ranger following is VERY solid.

The issue with it is that the Knicks have been so bad for such a long time that you have not seen the fan base at its fullest and engaged.

You will get to see it more as this year goes by if they continue to play at the same high level as they currently are.

Hell, even at their worst, losing 40-55 games. The Garden was always sold out. Not bullshit Yankee figures either, you could actually see it in games that every seat was filled.

[spoon]

The issue with it is that the Knicks have been so bad for such a long time that you have not seen the fan base at its fullest and engaged.

You will get to see it more as this year goes by if they continue to play at the same high level as they currently are.

Hell, even at their worst, losing 40-55 games. The Garden was always sold out. Not bullshit Yankee figures either, you could actually see it in games that every seat was filled.

kev, so do the Rangers but they only play 41 home games a year, it's indoors and a huge draw for business accounts

mlb is pretty much double that and more than double the attendance each game...the giants only have 8 games, but their and MLB's tv and contracting right are HUGE! the rangers and knicks have good contracts I'm sure, knicks probably better than the rangers in a big way too, but no way do I agree with what you're saying not backed by facts.

what you said above is exactly what snoogans has told me in the past of which I didn't agree then...at least it was original from him, as I'm sure you are doing your WF impersonation by passing on his theory as your own. do you truly believe it, or were you convinced by Shaun? either way is fine, but you can't just SAY something and expect me to take it as a fact.

[newport king]

so d'arnaud...are we talking a buster posey/early joe mauer type?

[Kevin]

kev, so do the Rangers but they only play 41 home games a year, it's indoors and a huge draw for business accounts

mlb is pretty much double that and more than double the attendance each game...the giants only have 8 games, but their and MLB's tv and contracting right are HUGE! the rangers and knicks have good contracts I'm sure, knicks probably better than the rangers in a big way too, but no way do I agree with what you're saying not backed by facts.

what you said above is exactly what snoogans has told me in the past of which I didn't agree then...at least it was original from him, as I'm sure you are doing your WF impersonation by passing on his theory as your own. do you truly believe it, or were you convinced by Shaun? either way is fine, but you can't just SAY something and expect me to take it as a fact.

Oh please come off your fucking bullshit.

I actually pay attention look at facts, not fucking make up your mind and you are always right like you think.

If you don't think someone agrees with YOU, you find some bullshit to try to discredit someone

What I said is pure facts and what I have said have been proven correct.

You just refuse to see any point but your own.

Like the RG3 thing. Its comical that you refuse to see that a guy in his first 13 games already concussed and coming prob an inch shy of shattering his knee is not a problem.

OH BY THE WAY.

The skins saw my point and sat him down vs a bad team, and guess what WON EASILY.

You bash WF, buT you are just as hard headed and stonewall as he is.

And my point about the Mets that you again refuse to see if a correct one.

If they own NY baseball, then they are the#3 team in NY. Because MLB is the #3 sport in this country.

Its pretty goddamn easy logic.

There are less Yankee fans than there is frontrunners and the Mets will be more popular than the Yankees if they are good and the Yankees suck, SO THEY WOULD BE THE #3 TEAM IN NY.

Christ on a pony I do not understand how smart people like you can lack so much common sense.

[Kevin]

The reason I do not think the Jays will be successful is because I have said before on the valid concern over acquired players with field, age and career tracks.

Yet because you want to not believe it and what you believe is 100%, I am clearly wrong.

Its not because you are a Jay fan or my hate for something.

Unlike you, I look at goddamn facts and trends.

With my teams as well.

Can I be wrong and the Jays have a great year? Sure! But I can also be right and they will be disappointing, based the issues I came up with.

Remember when I made the big rant of how I think the Jets are way too flawed because of owner, GM, and moves based on sales and back pages.

I was proven right weeks later by the Tebow trade.

But you because of whatever fact.

You don't like me or think I am stupid, and you made up your mind that no matter what I come up with is wrong, you deemed Jets my premise immediately wrong.

And you were wrong.

The fact is you are not nearly as smart as you think you are, and I am even less dumb than you think I am.

We just clash on many issues because of our choice of teams and at times have a written language barrier, because of that you deem me stupid and wrong on things.

You hate basketball so in your head it sucks and everyone else thinks it sucks.

No, that is not the case. many more people think its a great sport than think its not.


Alot of times I agree with Shaun because

1. We follow most of the same teams
2. We share the same view on alot of things outside of sports.
3. He is a smart person.

You again mistake Job and life station and some of their personal choices with intelligence, which again you are wrong at.

Shaun may not be in the greatest spot in life, but it still does not change the fact that he is intelligent and actually thinks and makes decision based on facts, not gungho I am right and that's it gut feelings.

And for that I agree with alot of what he says.

But go ahead, go on one of your bullshit rants that self serve you and is based on what YOU think and how you see the world.
You are no better than the far right and and the tea party.
They at least have the excuse of being uneducated and stupid.
You are even worse, because you are neither one of those. You are just nuts.

[spoon]

so d'arnaud...are we talking a buster posey/early joe mauer type?

more power than mauer/very posey like here, leadership like mauer and good average hitter, not mauer level though...yet

very good defender and can toss a good runner out often on steal attempts (good/accurate arm)

[spoon]

Oh please come off your fucking bullshit.

I actually pay attention look at facts, not fucking make up your mind and you are always right like you think.

If you don't think someone agrees with YOU, you find some bullshit to try to discredit someone

What I said is pure facts and what I have said have been proven correct.

You just refuse to see any point but your own.

Like the RG3 thing. Its comical that you refuse to see that a guy in his first 13 games already concussed and coming prob an inch shy of shattering his knee is not a problem.

OH BY THE WAY.

The skins saw my point and sat him down vs a bad team, and guess what WON EASILY.

You bash WF, buT you are just as hard headed and stonewall as he is.

And my point about the Mets that you again refuse to see if a correct one.

If they own NY baseball, then they are the#3 team in NY. Because MLB is the #3 sport in this country.

Its pretty goddamn easy logic.

There are less Yankee fans than there is frontrunners and the Mets will be more popular than the Yankees if they are good and the Yankees suck, SO THEY WOULD BE THE #3 TEAM IN NY.

Christ on a pony I do not understand how smart people like you can lack so much common sense.

Kevin, what in the fuck are you talking about?! I don't have to prove a fucking thing bc I'm not making the pretty fucking outrageous claim. The KNICKS own NYC and the area?! Fuck that you ass! Show me SOMETHING! MLB is the #3 sport in the country too? To NFL and what!? Don't say Nascar either, bc I'll punch you in the face in that it's NOT the case in this argument, as they're not even in the picture or in the same scope of what we are discussing.

Classic fuck Kevin turns a discussion he's not giving any facts in and is called out on, turns said DISCUSSION into a pissing match bc you have NOTHING. and your the skins saw your point is HILARIOUS! who the fuck wouldn't sit the guy if they couldn't go or it was dangerous??! Do you truly think they SAW YOUR point? this exclusive idea in your head that RGIII, the future of the franchise should sit if need be!? And they were down at the half, so it wasn't some simple easy win in a very important game. In fact, he was READY TO PLAY if needed. They found a way so it all worked out for the best in every way for them. Who the fuck wasn't in agreement with THAT!?

Do me a favor too, define "proven fact"? Bc I was discussing your POINT, I just asked for SOME morsel of fact in it, not just your asinine take. Just like your frontrunners vs NYY fans. That's MADNESS! Every town has frontrunners sure, but NYY ranks as one of, if not THE most popular franchise across this country. You have to be mad to believe what you wrote. Even WHEN the mets are fucking good and winning, and the yanks are around, games between them end up being overrun by yank fans in their own stadium. Sorry Kev, this is just get loud time for you bc you have nothing to back up your "point/idea" that was told to you and it pissed you off to be called on it.

You trying to say I have no common sense in a post sequence like that is fucking unreal. Thanks for the laugh you old sage of sensibilities and rigor!

:lol:

[NickyL0885]

Mom and Dad, stop fighting! You're tearing this family apart! :glurps:

[spoon]

The reason I do not think the Jays will be successful is because I have said before on the valid concern over acquired players with field, age and career tracks.

Yet because you want to not believe it and what you believe is 100%, I am clearly wrong.

Its not because you are a Jay fan or my hate for something.

Unlike you, I look at goddamn facts and trends.

With my teams as well.

Can I be wrong and the Jays have a great year? Sure! But I can also be right and they will be disappointing, based the issues I came up with.

Remember when I made the big rant of how I think the Jets are way too flawed because of owner, GM, and moves based on sales and back pages.

I was proven right weeks later by the Tebow trade.

But you because of whatever fact.

You don't like me or think I am stupid, and you made up your mind that no matter what I come up with is wrong, you deemed Jets my premise immediately wrong.

And you were wrong.

The fact is you are not nearly as smart as you think you are, and I am even less dumb than you think I am.

We just clash on many issues because of our choice of teams and at times have a written language barrier, because of that you deem me stupid and wrong on things.

You hate basketball so in your head it sucks and everyone else thinks it sucks.

No, that is not the case. many more people think its a great sport than think its not.


Alot of times I agree with Shaun because

1. We follow most of the same teams
2. We share the same view on alot of things outside of sports.
3. He is a smart person.

You again mistake Job and life station and some of their personal choices with intelligence, which again you are wrong at.

Shaun may not be in the greatest spot in life, but it still does not change the fact that he is intelligent and actually thinks and makes decision based on facts, not gungho I am right and that's it gut feelings.

And for that I agree with alot of what he says.

But go ahead, go on one of your bullshit rants that self serve you and is based on what YOU think and how you see the world.
You are no better than the far right and and the tea party.
They at least have the excuse of being uneducated and stupid.
You are even worse, because you are neither one of those. You are just nuts.

Are you fucking going mad/delusional!? Who ever said the Jays are a sure thing!? Not me! I'm very fucking HOPEFUL bc they haven't had a team like this in YEARS and usually lose players, not trade for them.

Next, I was wrong on the Jets!? What fucking mystical board are you reading!? You were on it and nailed it as I was OFF!? Kevin, I have argued against everything Jets from management, coaching, structure, qb and HATE the idea of Tebow when fucking drafted to the day he took a snap last week. The acquisition had train wreck on it the minute it was a thought. Fireman Ed, hated him and his bullshit since day one.

So in conclusion, NOTHING you write is on target and you DO MAKE SHIT UP! ANYONE paying attention will line up and say your post here is a figment of your fucking imagination. That includes the I hate you and think everything about you is stupid. These last few posts however, do add fuel to that fucking fire no doubt. You can't be this fucking off on everything can you? From the Knicks being the number one team in new york, but the mets can be #3 bc of frontrunners (yet doesn't apply to the Knicks, as we just don't notice the love when sucky). How that theory just flies out the window there, no matter how wrong, is hilarious in itself, but than add how I think the Jays are going to be great and I just don't see your facts and expert analysis, much less how I missed the Jets issues is UNREAL.

Kev, get some fucking sleep bc you can't be this stupid to think you can push this bullshit for a second. The only point you can argue at all is the Knicks one, and I've yet to see a true rundown on anything to prove your point. I asked for it honestly with my disagreement and doubts, yet nothing but angry retorts and now this fantasy land reply too! WTF man!? :wallbash:

[spoon]

and WHO THE FUCK ever talked about station in life or Shaun's intelligence!? fucking straw men to the fire Kev, for fuck's sake. I simply pointed out you are repeating something he and I disagreed on, and at least HE had some information and theories to back it up. that's the thing with someone's original opinion, they are usually based on something tangible, not just a nod and agreement.

I hate the NBA, yes, but did I ONCE say it wasn't popular Kev?! Stop making bullshit fights on stances I never took. I simply don't think they rule this town all things being equal, PERIOD. How hard is that to follow. No more, no less. You STILL have backed up nothing, shown me nothing on a topic I was actually interested to hear.

Don't you think the mere fact you can't talk sports to people who aren't of the same fan of show you the problem here a little more clearly? I'm not arguing anything for my teams, even though you made up some bullshit that I think the Jays will romp I guess. I have PLENTY of doubts, one being chemistry, two being health, three being all new coaches, four being competition in the AL East no matter how down. Seriously, you need to wake up bc you must be in a fog.

[spoon]

Shaun may not be in the greatest spot in life, but it still does not change the fact that he is intelligent and actually thinks and makes decision based on facts, not gungho I am right and that's it gut feelings.



this is awesome

the guy just telling me to accept his thought as fact is telling me I'm the "gungho I am right and that's it...gut feelings"?! WHAT?!

you should stop interjecting Shaun in this too, bc you can steal his thoughts but you surely can't back up your claims like him

disagree or not, you have come to the table with complete bullshit and are tossing it around like a fucking lawn sprinkler.

wow

[spoon]

Mom and Dad, stop fighting! You're tearing this family apart! :glurps:

not fighting, worried for his mental health!

i was in the jet camp and he was the guy railing against tebow and the gm/team's approach and moves!?

ha!

the only reason he was is due to his fucking bias toward all things Giants and his desire to push the Jets further down as they made a half ass move to take over the town (no chance). Bias and Kev go hand in hand, and he'll tell you it's everyone else!

[NickyL0885]

not fighting, worried for his mental health!

i was in the jet camp and he was the guy railing against tebow and the gm/team's approach and moves!?

ha!

the only reason he was is due to his fucking bias toward all things Giants and his desire to push the Jets further down as they made a half ass move to take over the town (no chance). Bias and Kev go hand in hand, and he'll tell you it's everyone else!

I am going to call Obama so he can get you guys to have a Beer Summit. :laugh:

[cougarjake13]

I am going to call Obama so he can get you guys to have a Beer Summit. :laugh:


don't forgot to include wf also

[A.J.]

so d'arnaud...are we talking a buster posey/early joe mauer type?

more power than mauer/very posey like here, leadership like mauer and good average hitter, not mauer level though...yet

very good defender and can toss a good runner out often on steal attempts (good/accurate arm)

So you're cool with giving up a top prospect?

[spoon]

So you're cool with giving up a top prospect?

pros and cons my friend

i would have played to move JPA vs TDA, but both have upside...just a whole lot more with TDA

i see the reason, but also hate the cost

hopefully a win win type trade...as the Halladay and Alomar/Carter for Fernandez/McGriff trades went. So far, one helped the Jays get two titles, another may have just helped do that? I can hope right? Gose will be a defender plus sub, 4th OF and baserunning sub from the Halladay trade, Drabek is on the mend, but TDA just helped a land a Cy young knuckler that often pitch into their late 40s effectively. We'll see.

[A.J.]

Yeah, I had the same feeling when the Sox dealt Hanley Ramirez and Anibal Sanchez. Sure it helped win a title but they finally had gotten a top SS prospect and there has been a void there ever since (well, assuming that José Iglesias can learn to hit more than my weight).

Forgive me: I still remember the Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson/Curt Schilling and Brady Anderson for Mike Boddicker flops.

[spoon]

oh the jays have bad ones too

like in 1995 : Sent DAVID CONE to the New York Yankees for JASON JARVIS, MIKE GORDON & MARTY JANZEN.

or when the AWFUL Gord Ash decided to trade for ESTEBAN LOIAZA, a guy who stated very loud that he didn't want to go anywhere near Canada, for a kid named Michael Young. Yah, THAT Young.

[spoon]

OUTSTANDING! (http://www.thescore.com/buzz/articles/401489-thescore-s-2012-sports-activity-book)

Some funny shit and a lot of work put into this one.

[MHasegawa]

That maple leafs maze is hilarious

[spoon]

That maple leafs maze is hilarious

and true!

[cougarjake13]

and true!



sadly I often forget they have a franchise when I think of what Canadian teams there are


not counting the newly reformed peg all other Canadian teams have at least made the Stanley cup final in last 20 yrs not sure on Ottawa though

[MHasegawa]

sadly I often forget they have a franchise when I think of what Canadian teams there are


not counting the newly reformed peg all other Canadian teams have at least made the Stanley cup final in last 20 yrs not sure on Ottawa though

Yeah, Sens made it bout 5 years back. Lost to the Ducks.

[Kevin]

Having not read any of spoons retorts I can safely say that its nothing different than the last 7 8 years.


Im sure there was a joke in there followed by
:lol:

If spoon makes a joke and he is the only one to hear laughter, did he really tell a joke?

I am going to call Obama so he can get you guys to have a Beer Summit. :laugh:

Obama would prob quit if given the task to rationalize with spoon.

Spoon: Yankees spending GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, The rest of baseball eh.

Obama makes 500000 reasons why its stupid.

Spoon last ditch comment: You just heard Clinton talk about it so you now agree with him.

Obama

http://www.mycoloradoview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Obama-Facepalm1.jpg

[Kevin]

Meanwhile, back in the real world.

So a pitcher that was below 500, with a 4.03 era in a pitchers park and on the team with the best record in baseball gets 4 years 52 mil?

Sad part is this is prob the 5th worst contract in this offseason.

Reason #47 why MLB is becoming my least favorite sport...

[Snoogans]

Kevin, what in the fuck are you talking about?! I don't have to prove a fucking thing bc I'm not making the pretty fucking outrageous claim. The KNICKS own NYC and the area?! Fuck that you ass! Show me SOMETHING! MLB is the #3 sport in the country too? To NFL and what!? Don't say Nascar either, bc I'll punch you in the face in that it's NOT the case in this argument, as they're not even in the picture or in the same scope of what we are discussing.

Classic fuck Kevin turns a discussion he's not giving any facts in and is called out on, turns said DISCUSSION into a pissing match bc you have NOTHING. and your the skins saw your point is HILARIOUS! who the fuck wouldn't sit the guy if they couldn't go or it was dangerous??! Do you truly think they SAW YOUR point? this exclusive idea in your head that RGIII, the future of the franchise should sit if need be!? And they were down at the half, so it wasn't some simple easy win in a very important game. In fact, he was READY TO PLAY if needed. They found a way so it all worked out for the best in every way for them. Who the fuck wasn't in agreement with THAT!?

Do me a favor too, define "proven fact"? Bc I was discussing your POINT, I just asked for SOME morsel of fact in it, not just your asinine take. Just like your frontrunners vs NYY fans. That's MADNESS! Every town has frontrunners sure, but NYY ranks as one of, if not THE most popular franchise across this country. You have to be mad to believe what you wrote. Even WHEN the mets are fucking good and winning, and the yanks are around, games between them end up being overrun by yank fans in their own stadium. Sorry Kev, this is just get loud time for you bc you have nothing to back up your "point/idea" that was told to you and it pissed you off to be called on it.

You trying to say I have no common sense in a post sequence like that is fucking unreal. Thanks for the laugh you old sage of sensibilities and rigor!

:lol:

NBA. NBA pulls better ratings, esp on national telecasts, than MLB does. i believe, because of the massive southern following, that NCAA football also beats MLB in ratings, since MLBs ratings have steadily declined since they didnt let them be men and take drugs

the world series does beat the NBA finals. But as a whole for the year, many more people watch NBA

[Kevin]

NBA. NBA pulls better ratings, esp on national telecasts, than MLB does. i believe, because of the massive southern following, that NCAA football also beats MLB in ratings, since MLBs ratings have steadily declined since they didnt let them be men and take drugs

the world series does beat the NBA finals. But as a whole for the year, many more people watch NBA

I heard BDC say that so you are just listening to him

[spoon]

Having not read any of spoons retorts I can safely say that its nothing different than the last 7 8 years.


Im sure there was a joke in there followed by
:lol:

If spoon makes a joke and he is the only one to hear laughter, did he really tell a joke?



Obama would prob quit if given the task to rationalize with spoon.

Spoon: Yankees spending GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, The rest of baseball eh.

Obama makes 500000 reasons why its stupid.

Spoon last ditch comment: You just heard Clinton talk about it so you now agree with him.

Obama

http://www.mycoloradoview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Obama-Facepalm1.jpg

keep living in your stupid fantasy world Kev, bc you damn well KNOW you read them all and have zero to come back at

who knew you were actually so fucking utterly stupid this whole time...well that's not fair, plenty have said as much

your hilarious retort on obama and clinton is fantastic if not delusional

you stole someone else's concept, can't back it up AT ALL when simply asked and now turned it into a pissing match claiming the other is unreasonable. hell, you even outright made shit up to act like I was for recent jet moves and backed them in any fucking way...comical at best

so yes kev, in summation your posts amount to :lol: at best and this:blink::glurps: at worst. I worry for your mental health, bc your arguments, or lack there of equate to some majorly weak fucking sauce. my bad, i forgot the 500000 reasons why you made such a claim, yet I've yet to see ONE...fucking ONE point as proof outside of your self described take on the rundown...clearly a personal feel not linked to one piece or shred of evidence. yet you're right, start an argument, get called out on it and not read the replies is always a great way to prove a point! enjoy not reading this oh enlightened one who fails to even back up a single point...just take kev at his word, it's so easy to imagine the Knicks as the top dog in NY, which since they go against a top overall franchise in the fucking world puts them at the top there too automatically! HA! It's Manchester United, Dallas Cowboys and then the Knicks right!? I find that hilarious and decided to look into what I know is an idiotic claim by you.

NO NBA team until #49...NHL not surprisingly, doesn't make the list (http://www.forbes.com/2010/07/20/most-valuable-athletes-and-teams-business-sports-sportsmoney-fifty-fifty-teams_slide_2.html)

Here, 2010 rundown on financials...I got to #9 and saw FOUR NY teams and yet no Knicks yet (NYY @ 3, NYG @ 7, NYJ at 9, NYM at 38, ). This is based on value with revenue listed, but man, the first NBA team wasn't even the mighty knicks at 49, that was the Lakers. The Knicks came right after at 50. Sure it might not be an exact science (2 year old list, I'll give you that, but you'd at least expect the mighty top NY franchise to at least be close right? Not behind FOUR other franchises, both MLB and NFL teams! Oh right, the concept was complete bullshit and someone was all dick hurt again bc he was called out for being a dumb, biased fuck. Meanwhile, I merely asked for a proof source, and one should know better than back a fool into a corner. I should have known you have no class and character when it took you 4 years to pay a modest bet off, but I guess it's on me for thinking better of you.

[spoon]

NBA. NBA pulls better ratings, esp on national telecasts, than MLB does. i believe, because of the massive southern following, that NCAA football also beats MLB in ratings, since MLBs ratings have steadily declined since they didnt let them be men and take drugs

the world series does beat the NBA finals. But as a whole for the year, many more people watch NBA

162 vs 82...it's a huge factor and when all added up more watch baseball. you can't simply go on espn ratings, and the finals breakdown is walking proof that when it boils down to the end one ranks higher head to head in equally valuable 7 game series.

Also, tv ratings hardly give a full picture, it's overall value, revenue and interest. The knicks are a ny team and all have inherit value simply based on this fact alone, but to say they are above the giants, much less the fucking yankees is simply comedic at best.

[spoon]

I heard BDC say that so you are just listening to him

no, you are just listening to snoogans

at least it's his original belief and thought you are pathetically defending if at all

his post was the first bit of information to push the point at this point EVER, naturally it was from the guy who actually came up with the concept, not the one just falling in line

you pretty much admitted it in your bullshit station in life and intelligence rant post out of nowhere post...constant bullshit. I'll call you wkev now.

[spoon]

Full Disclosure, since I'm now doing the research to do make the opposite of Kev's bullshit claim. (http://www.forbes.com/pictures/mli45fdhk/no-1-manchester-united/)

Found the 2011 list, and still 5th ranked NY based team, and now good news, flip flopped spots with LA and are now the top NBA valued franchise at 47 overall. Closing in on the Mets for 4th though (44th)! Hooorah!

[spoon]

Ah, good news bad news for 2012. The knicks are no longer tops in their sport, as the lakers jumped up to 35th on the list, while the Knicks were at 43. The good news is, they passed the MESS that is the Met organization (for now) and are now the 4th highest valued franchise in NY. Still a far cry from tops in the city, but at least when playing great for a while and the Mets sucking in amazing fashion, the knicks found a way to pass them out.

4th...and a WHOLE lot of ground to even get CLOSE to #3 in the city. NYY, NYG, NYJ................NYK/NYM going back and fro

the end

[A.J.]

Remember: baseball is "boring". Nothing compares to the excitement of watching guys travel, carry the ball and stand more than 3 seconds in the paint!

[Snoogans]

162 vs 82...it's a huge factor and when all added up more watch baseball. you can't simply go on espn ratings, and the finals breakdown is walking proof that when it boils down to the end one ranks higher head to head in equally valuable 7 game series.

Also, tv ratings hardly give a full picture, it's overall value, revenue and interest. The knicks are a ny team and all have inherit value simply based on this fact alone, but to say they are above the giants, much less the fucking yankees is simply comedic at best.

i was actually going by nilsens list of sporting events avg rating, so it takes the uneven number of games out of it.

Also, the knicks are the only team in NY that can be terrible for 5 years in a row and still sell out games. Fuck the yankees dont sell out games when they are winning. And MSG pulls a much higher rating per game than yes does for yankees games.

NY is a basketball city. The most compelling evidence to that is the fact that in the early 90s, you couldnt go 10 seconds without hearing about stupid St Johns. Until they got caught buying kids, anyway

[Snoogans]

i know one thing we CAN agree on in NY sports popularity contest. It sure as FUCK isnt the rangers

[A.J.]

NY is a basketball city. The most compelling evidence to that is the fact that in the early 90s, you couldnt go 10 seconds without hearing about stupid St Johns. Until they got caught buying kids, anyway

And, ironically, all of the New York-based colleges can't recruit in their own back yard.

The Big East tournament at the Garden was a glorious event once upon a time. I wonder how the breakup of the Big East and the building of the Barclay's Center will impact March Madness in the years to come.

[MHasegawa]

Isn't Barclay's getting the Atlantic 10 tourney?

[Snoogans]

Isn't Barclay's getting the Atlantic 10 tourney?

yea cause of Fordham.

I bet you MSG will prob host a tourney for whatever the new conference the 7 catholic schools start or join

[spoon]

i know one thing we CAN agree on in NY sports popularity contest. It sure as FUCK isnt the rangers

hockey is clearly not on the level of popularity of the other sports for many many reasons, one being many culture within the US simply have very little ties to it for once again many reasons. Soccer, basketball, football and baseball are much more easily accessible to people, even if not always on some regulation field or court. Hell, ice hockey isn't even as easy in Canada with the mild winters so pond/lake hockey is dying out.

yet the ranger fans, hockey overall, are some of the most passionate and loyal fan bases out there. smaller, but surely great fans.

also, i don't give two shits on who is or who isn't the most popular sport or NY team. I do KNOW it isn't the Knicks no matter how much you twist a ratings take, bc it comes down to money, value and so much more. And MLB was at it's worst when bowing to the pressure of the fans, the same can be said for the NHL. If being a lesser popular sport keeps the game pure and from shit like foxtracks, less hitting and of course banning fighting, well than I hope the NHL never gains in popularity and stays were it is. I couldn't care less. In fact, the more wide a sports reach becomes, the more dumbed down the base becomes and to me the sports suffer. Keep the sport a niche one with true over the top fans who love the game, not some people just trying to gear up and be cool linked to said sport and or winning team. Blech.

[hanso]

Plácido Polanco to Miami Marlins yipppieee!

[spoon]

i was actually going by nilsens list of sporting events avg rating, so it takes the uneven number of games out of it.

Also, the knicks are the only team in NY that can be terrible for 5 years in a row and still sell out games. Fuck the yankees dont sell out games when they are winning. And MSG pulls a much higher rating per game than yes does for yankees games.

NY is a basketball city. The most compelling evidence to that is the fact that in the early 90s, you couldnt go 10 seconds without hearing about stupid St Johns. Until they got caught buying kids, anyway

first paragraph - link that for me please

second paragraph - NYR has sold out for decades, good teams and awful.

It's not that tough to sell out in NYC for 41 games when a ton of tix are gone immediately to corp accounts and the HUGE population. (http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/sports/nyrangers-attendance.htm)
And let's not act like doubling the games and tripling the attendance has no effect on selling out in MLB. Not to mention pricing yourselves out of the public for a shit ton of seats as the Yanks have done. Yet on any MLB's worst days in NY, they outpace both the Knicks and Rangers who only have half the games to sell.

Look familiar? It should. (http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/sports/nyknicks-attendance.htm)

paragraph 3 - If basketball ruled as much as you claim, they survive a scandal of buying some players. Look at PSU, their football program is bigger than a MUCH BIGGER scandal...an awful fucking mess and they persevere. Sure it's early and we still haven't felt the full brunt of this all and if they'll eventually got the way of SMU w/o the crazy death penalty. Yet, thus far, it hasn't hurt as much as I even thought and St. John's issues were tiny comparatively. PSU and their NCAA football team is called ruling a program/area, not the knicks.

[spoon]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/09/17-2012.jpg

Nice touch with the pile of arms in the right bottom corner the Jays went through last year. I'm surely hoping that trend is dead in the water.

[spoon]

Pretty solid work here, even if it's tied to fucking soccer. (http://mwillis.com/post/37845751873/soccer-out-of-context-the-al-east)

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/12/blue-jaysJPG.jpg

http://f.cl.ly/items/3A3q1K1N3k222B3t0731/red-sox.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/0W1H3I0p3W1z2i2F2A1r/orioles.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/2T1g3S3Q2k3X3Z0W2P0I/rays.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/2H3z3T0A370s2i0g2o2l/yankees.png

[spoon]

Reyes is a weird dude.

Mule time via his instagram...nah, he's just pointing at WKev.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/12/reyesmule.jpg

[spoon]

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[spoon]

Look ma, no hands!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RkuODXjhUUg/T8KMvjqwmHI/AAAAAAAAAk0/vDCG5U3QiB0/s500/frazierside.gif

It’s just your typical no-handed home run off the bat, literally, of Cincinnati Reds third base understudy Todd Frazier.

It’s remarkable that two weeks later Frazier saved a man’s life who was choking on food at a restaurant, and it wasn’t the most amazing thing he did that month.

[Snoogans]

first paragraph - link that for me please

second paragraph - NYR has sold out for decades, good teams and awful.

It's not that tough to sell out in NYC for 41 games when a ton of tix are gone immediately to corp accounts and the HUGE population. (http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/sports/nyrangers-attendance.htm)
And let's not act like doubling the games and tripling the attendance has no effect on selling out in MLB. Not to mention pricing yourselves out of the public for a shit ton of seats as the Yanks have done. Yet on any MLB's worst days in NY, they outpace both the Knicks and Rangers who only have half the games to sell.

Look familiar? It should. (http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/nycdata/sports/nyknicks-attendance.htm)

paragraph 3 - If basketball ruled as much as you claim, they survive a scandal of buying some players. Look at PSU, their football program is bigger than a MUCH BIGGER scandal...an awful fucking mess and they persevere. Sure it's early and we still haven't felt the full brunt of this all and if they'll eventually got the way of SMU w/o the crazy death penalty. Yet, thus far, it hasn't hurt as much as I even thought and St. John's issues were tiny comparatively. PSU and their NCAA football team is called ruling a program/area, not the knicks.

they did survive the scandal. They just became a garbage team so no one pays much attention

ill try to find the other shit tomorrow

[spoon]

they did survive the scandal. They just became a garbage team so no one pays much attention

ill try to find the other shit tomorrow

survive meaning their overall popularity if it was/is so strong a calling in the area

all teams winning gain in attendance, popularity and following overall...some may even call it bandwagon, others worth their time. however you look at it, it isn't the base of a team's fandom, much less their value to pick certain moments in time versus an overall look at the numbers.

knicks are plenty popular, nobody denies that but I do not think this is a Knicks first city in any way. mind you, I have no dog in this fight...none. other than calling out Kevin for just bastardizing a point you actually believe and have some basis to the claim at least. sorry, he came to the plate with zero as usual...and he has the nerve to get angry with others like WF, Tenbats and the like. in the very least Kev, for once fight on the side of something you don't have a bias toward. outside of his said team, including politically, he has no angles outside of a homer look at everything IF we're lucky enough it's even his theory/ideas.

[hanso]

Plácido Polanco to Miami Marlins yipppieee!

Full crumb catcher mode

[cougarjake13]

Pretty solid work here, even if it's tied to fucking soccer. (http://mwillis.com/post/37845751873/soccer-out-of-context-the-al-east)

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/12/blue-jaysJPG.jpg

http://f.cl.ly/items/3A3q1K1N3k222B3t0731/red-sox.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/0W1H3I0p3W1z2i2F2A1r/orioles.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/2T1g3S3Q2k3X3Z0W2P0I/rays.png

http://f.cl.ly/items/2H3z3T0A370s2i0g2o2l/yankees.png



yeh I remember someone posting these a few years back

pretty cool idea

wonder what shitty mets would be ? prolly Citibank

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Swisher to Indians


4 yrs 56 mill

[spoon]

http://i.imgur.com/MbYee.gif

[cougarjake13]

went to that game


sulda been a dickey no no

[spoon]

went to that game


sulda been a dickey no no

he tosses a canuckleball now

straight from RA...well more all over the place like his pitch

[cougarjake13]

Christ did he really say that ?

[spoon]

Christ did he really say that ?

yep

:tongue:

[sailor]

And let's not act like doubling the games and tripling the attendance has no effect on selling out in MLB. Not to mention pricing yourselves out of the public for a shit ton of seats as the Yanks have done. Yet on any MLB's worst days in NY, they outpace both the Knicks and Rangers who only have half the games to sell.

The worst MLB team draws effectively what the Knicks do, per game. Granted, the ticket pricing between the two sports is very different, but yeah it's tough to just compare the two straight up; 19k is a sellout for the Knicks, but a disgrace in MLB.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Anyone need a closer ?


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8781625/ugueth-urbina-former-all-star-closer-released-venezuelan-prison

[underdog]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/189r28ujrlcvlpng/original.png

[cougarjake13]

that's gotta be a fake arod account right ?


although I can see that douche doing that

[Kevin]

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/189r28ujrlcvlpng/original.png

Captain playoffs K is what it should be.

[spoon]

boooo!

sounds like a rip on Jeter!

:wink:

[spoon]

I can't say this hasn't been a fear for me going into 2013. (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=19249)

With such a violent swing and power being a huge part of his game, this injury and this story's take scares the shit out of me.

[spoon]

the old knuckle fly

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1334150/ross-double.gif

[spoon]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1319718/mauer.gif

Joe Mauer plays baseball with the confidence of a man not worried about his dandruff.

[spoon]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1226/UniWatchHats.jpg

Leak huh? (http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/fandom/post/_/id/16228/first-look-new-mlb-batting-practice-caps)

[cougarjake13]

I like the rays one

[MHasegawa]

that braves cap is awesome

[epo]

I wanna thank the Nats for not paying Gonzalez & Gorzellany. Good lefties are hard to find.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Would have liked if the Yanks used the team logo for their BP caps

[newport king]

Mr. Met sucks.

[cougarjake13]

Would have liked if the Yanks used the team logo for their BP caps



woulda made sense since most of the other teams with other forms of logos did exactly that

[A.J.]

I wanna thank the Nats for not paying Gonzalez & Gorzellany. Good lefties are hard to find.

Grozellany, yeah. Gonzalez? Meh.

[A.J.]

Jays, A's and Mets caps are cool.

[cougarjake13]

Jays, A's and Mets caps are cool.

3 teams u suld hate as a sawx fan

[A.J.]

I didn't say I liked the teams....just the caps.

Besides, we all know nothing is more gay than pinstripes on a sports uniform. :tongue:

[cougarjake13]

I didn't say I liked the teams....just the caps.

Besides, we all know nothing is more gay than pinstripes on a sports uniform. :tongue:



no I got that but as a sawx fan those 3 teams have fucked u over in playoffs

[epo]

Grozellany, yeah. Gonzalez? Meh.

Hey, for our awful bullpen the Nats frugal nation is gladly accepted.

[spoon]

Jays, A's and Mets caps are cool.

Jays are surely trying to tap the whole Canadian market finally, since you know, Montreal has been gone for a LONG time and the Jays play all over near the border (Detroit, Seattle, Minny and the farm team is now in Buf). It's about time to rake in some more dough and put the yanks through two decades like Toronto just suffered through. That would be so awful, but I highly doubt it. I guess their suck 80s/early 90s were fun while they lasted.

And let's be honest, even 1981 was a joke overall. They had no place even being in that fucked up playoff to begin with being 4th or 5th best. What a weird year.

[spoon]

Guess who is joining the Toronto staff?

http://blogimages.thescore.com/djf/files/2012/12/Tim-Raines.jpg

NICE!

Can't hurt having Rock Raines as a base running/outfield coach with all that speed on the paths (Bonifacio, Reyes, Lawrie, Rasmus, Davis, Gose). And the likes of Ramus, Sierra, Gose, Davis and Bonifacio sure could use some help out their in the field as well.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

David Price signs 1 yr deal to stay with Rays.


Marlins talking about trading Stanton. Heard Mariners were in the mix.

[cougarjake13]

good for price and the rays
hopefully they can't work out something long term

[hanso]

David Price signs 1 yr deal to stay with Rays.


Marlins talking about trading Stanton. Heard Mariners were in the mix.

From the dealings so far.. they will prob get a bat boy in return

[spoon]

From the dealings so far.. they will prob get a bat boy in return

that's nuts

you got a ton from Toronto

Hech is a vacuum at short (light hitting with speed though)

Marisnick is a 5 tool prospect that needs some time...yet his power will be average at best in reality...but a plus CF defender with speed and an arm.

Nicolino is a sick south paw that also needs some time, but is pretty close to making the jump with power and an arsenal of pitches.

Escobar was already flipped for a nice piece in Dietrich.

Mathis is a much better defensive version of Buck at 1/5 the cost.

Alvarez is still only 22 and has some heat that he simply lost his edge last year and struggled, but should rebound to be a nice 4/5 at least or a very solid bullpen piece (probably better until he adds another out pitch).

DeSclafani, well he's only 22 still and is going need more time than the rest at this point based on his projections. Still, he's a nice looking arm from NJ too!

So yah, hardly nothing. Sure it's a lot of youth for some more vetted guys, but what do you want? The team is not going for it, and just cashed in a Johnson who is NOT going to resign there and probably not in Toronto it seems so far too. Two free agent guys you only spent money on, and the cheap cost effective part of their salary on to use in a trade to get a TON of prospects...and what Emilo Bonifacio? Are you mad about losing basepath speed? Bc in the end you gave up Johnson and Bonifacio from your actual team, two free agents the Jays could have just signed fucking LAST YEAR and JOHN BUCK. Yah, you guys made out WAY more then most can see past their disdain and righteous indignation of the owner. he's a dick too, no doubt, but it's a good trade for Florida...this not even TOUCHING how much you saved financially for future dealings. yet that doesn't do much for the fan until some moves are actually made, especially with this douche bag owner

[hanso]

And the next team got higher prospects

[spoon]

http://www.jason-varitek.com/gallery/cpg143/albums/userpics/10001/variteklittleleague.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Berkman signs with Texas

Dontrelle signed by Cubs.

[hanso]

The D-train is back?

[cougarjake13]

The D-train is back?



the d railed train maybe

[WRESTLINGFAN]

LaRoche is staying in DC for 2 years.

[A.J.]

LaRoche is staying in DC for 2 years.

:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

1st time since 1996 nobody elected to HOF

[cougarjake13]

1st time since 1996 nobody elected to HOF



love it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Biggio got the highest 68.2%

[keithy_19]

Seeing that I've only lived in the era of steroids I'm a bit biased, but Bonds and Clemens should get in.

[KnoxHarrington]

Seeing that I've only lived in the era of steroids I'm a bit biased, but Bonds and Clemens should get in.

If I had a vote, I'd have voted for Bonds *and* Clemens, and, hell, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire too.

Certainly, put it on their plaques that they were suspected of using performance enhancing drugs, but they have to be in, especially since they aren't actually banned from baseball.

[underdog]

If I had a vote, I'd have voted for Bonds *and* Clemens, and, hell, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire too.

Certainly, put it on their plaques that they were suspected of using performance enhancing drugs, but they have to be in, especially since they aren't actually banned from baseball.

You can put all these guys in and everyone will know their era was the Steroid Era. But they were the best during that era. They still deserve to get in.

I fucking hate baseball writers.

[keithy_19]

I fucking hate baseball writers.

Pretty much. I extend my hate to most "critics" too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I wonder who will be the fuckbags who vote no when Maddux is eligible next year

[KnoxHarrington]

I wonder who will be the fuckbags who vote no when Maddux is eligible next year



I fucking hate HOF voters who won't vote for someone right away because he's "not a first ballot HOFer", or because they don't want someone to go in unanimously.

Fucking vote for whoever's on the ballot who deserves it. No one gives a fuck about that other shit.

[razorboy]

I won't rest until the inexcusable wrong the BBWAA did is undone and Lou Whitaker takes his rightful place in the hall.

Also Frank Thomas should be a shoe-in next year, but I'm sure the writers will find some way to fuck it up. He's one of the five or so best right handed hitters of all time.

[TripleSkeet]

I fucking hate HOF voters who won't vote for someone right away because he's "not a first ballot HOFer", or because they don't want someone to go in unanimously.

Fucking vote for whoever's on the ballot who deserves it. No one gives a fuck about that other shit.

This.

The fact that Piazza didnt get voted in is a disgrace. And this is coming from a Phillies fan.

[Snoogans]

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[Snoogans]

This.

The fact that Piazza didnt get voted in is a disgrace. And this is coming from a Phillies fan.

i forgot about him when i made the video above. To mention him I mean. Piazza and Biggio not gettin in is really fuckin stupid. But Clemens and Bonds should fuckin be in too.

[cougarjake13]

to me I hate the whole voting process


if a guy is a hall of famer he should be voted in first ballot
nothing changes from year 2-15 his stats are still the same

so either he's good enough or not

[newport king]

i dont think they know what to do. and i read something from selig yesterday that made me laugh "this year FOR SOME REASON we had a lot of guys who were really close."

really? the all time hr champ doesnt get in and you're pleading ignorance as to why he didnt get in?

this joke of a commissioner looked the other way when it was happening under his watch, now you have a bunch of tainted stats and records. which is what players get in on.

if bonds doesnt get in, who never actually tested positive, you can't put piazza in as there were always rumors about him too.

going forward they need to come up with some sort of rule as it pertains to hall of fame voting. get caught you're ineligible.

[A.J.]

Curt Schilling got 38.8% of the vote.

Nice touch.

http://www.newjerseybankruptcynow.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Curt-Schilling_broke_business.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mike Francesa made a point about Biggio not being a .300 hitter and just compiling up numbers. Thats such a weak argument. He has done something that only about 30 or so people were able to do.


Schilling should be in also. Piazza not a 1st ballot? Give me a break. I know the ballots are secret however I would not be surprised if Gammons and Verducci said no to all. Those 2 are the biggest front running douches out of all the writers.

[hanso]

But I saw a stat that he was a 300 hitter

[newport king]

he played for the astros for 20 yrs. pretty much every season was "compiling numbers"

he also thinks brandon inge is a HOF'er

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Biggio was a career .281 hitter

[hanso]

On tv the showed one of em as 300 thought it was him.

he had most votes right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know Piazza was a 300 hitter


Yup Biggio got the most 68% of the ballot

[hanso]

bagwell was 297 wonder what the heck i saw on tv now.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I don't recall Bagwell being linked to PED's

Just heard that MLB will be doing blood tests for HGH starting this year

[epo]

It's amazing how everyone forgets what a dogshit defensive catcher Mike Piazza was.

[Snoogans]

It's amazing how everyone forgets what a dogshit defensive catcher Mike Piazza was.

i dont. i will never forget the glory of watching him catch. i saw him stand up once on a ball in the dirt and it went right through his legs

[razorboy]

I don't recall Bagwell being linked to PED's

His best friend/offseason training partner was Caminiti. Right or wrong I think it's at least partially a case of guilt by association.

[hanso]

bagwell was 297 wonder what the heck i saw on tv now.

maybe it was the 3k hits got that mixed up.

[spoon]

Seeing that I've only lived in the era of steroids I'm a bit biased, but Bonds and Clemens should get in.



Nope. Fuck them.

[spoon]

You can put all these guys in and everyone will know their era was the Steroid Era. But they were the best during that era. They still deserve to get in.

I fucking hate baseball writers.

Seriously agree with each cheater getting 0% and back the writers here even if a late calling out here. None of those guys would garner a single vote from me...ever.

[underdog]

Seriously agree with each cheater getting 0% and back the writers here even if a late calling out here. None of those guys would garner a single vote from me...ever.

We know.

[NickyL0885]

It's amazing how everyone forgets what a dogshit defensive catcher Mike Piazza was.

He wasn't that bad. His teams ERAs were top 5 each year. So, as a signal caller, he was good.

[brettmojo]

So when do we throw out all the players in the HOF that played during the era before blacks were allowed to play in the majors?

[razorboy]

So when do we throw out all the players in the HOF that played during the era before blacks were allowed to play in the majors?

I'm all for it. I also move to oust Goose Gossage for taking a fringe Hall of Fame career and turning it into his opportunity to be a grandstanding jackoff.

[cougarjake13]

It's amazing how everyone forgets what a dogshit defensive catcher Mike Piazza was.



throwing runners out yeh he sucked but other parts of handling a staff he was pretty good
and i think his stats are better then every other catcher already in

[cougarjake13]

His best friend/offseason training partner was Caminiti. Right or wrong I think it's at least partially a case of guilt by association.




and like bonds compare his first few seasons to the end of his career where he looked like fucking popeye

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Before PED's

http://www.halloffamememorabilia.com/images/products/p-501133-sammy-sosa-baseball-card-1990-bowman-topps-312-chicago-white-sox-aw-40189.jpg


http://www.beforeafters.com/wp-content/uploads/bwbps/1244745609.jpg

[spoon]

So when do we throw out all the players in the HOF that played during the era before blacks were allowed to play in the majors?


A societal problem is not the same as outright knowingly cheating. Not even close to the same thing.

[brettmojo]

A societal problem is not the same as outright knowingly cheating. Not even close to the same thing.

That's nitpicking.

[cougarjake13]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.aoltv.com/media/2006/03/Barry-Bonds-rookie-card.jpg

[spoon]

That's nitpicking.


Not even close. I would argue your comparison is quite a stretch and not even close to accurate. And even if it was dead on, why make the same mistake twice...this time during our time? Bc it happened before? Way off. Make the best calls you can at the time it is presented. Most of those who knowingly cheated deserve so much more than just a lack of hof votes.

[brettmojo]

Not even close. I would argue your comparison is quite a stretch and not even close to accurate. And even if it was dead on, why make the same mistake twice...this time during our time? Bc it happened before? Way off. Make the best calls you can at the time it is presented. Most of those who knowingly cheated deserve so much more than just a lack of hof votes.

It's still after the fact. Not only is it after the fact but it's only the players who were good enough DURING AN ERA WHEN EVERYONE WAS CHEATING to become HOF'ers being punished. That itself makes no sense at all.

Unless they're willing to throw out the entire "steroid era" then its total hypocrisy. It's MLB denying their own blame. MLB allowed steroid use to rule the game for almost two decades. They did it to make money. This punishment after the fact is only their attempt to take the blame off of them and put it on the players. This is their solution because they certainly won't give back any of the money they made from it... Put them in the hall, put them in under the umbrella of "The Steroid Era" and make MLB live with the black eye it rightfully deserves for passively condoning all this in the first place. The baseball writers themselves need to take their share of the blame as well. Their hypocrisy in all this may be even worse than baseball's.

[spoon]

Again, not even similar in any way and completely a different argument. They cheated and i don't care who looked away. I surely won't now just bc some did in the past. there were writers/players who took note, but selig looked away. Ban him too.

[TripleSkeet]

Not even close. I would argue your comparison is quite a stretch and not even close to accurate. And even if it was dead on, why make the same mistake twice...this time during our time? Bc it happened before? Way off. Make the best calls you can at the time it is presented. Most of those who knowingly cheated deserve so much more than just a lack of hof votes.

Hows it cheating? Correct me if Im wrong, MLBs policy concerning steroids before 2002 treated them the same way as cocaine or marijuana. So why havent players that have admitted to doing those drugs been banished from the HOF?

Its fucking bullshit. The commissioner and everyone else in baseball knew what was going on and they allowed it because they needed to get fans back after that debacle in 1994. The HOF is supposed to be about the fans, not the fucking writers, execs or former players. So let the fans decide. Put these guys up for a national online vote and make them have to hit that same percentage they need from the baseball writers. If the fans say YES, then they go in. They should do the same thing for Pete Rose.

How can I take the HOF seriously when the guy with the most hits ever isnt in it, the guy with the most HRs in a season isnt in it, and the 2 guys that saved baseball arent in it? Its a fucking farce.

[TripleSkeet]

It's still after the fact. Not only is it after the fact but it's only the players who were good enough DURING AN ERA WHEN EVERYONE WAS CHEATING to become HOF'ers being punished. That itself makes no sense at all.

This. Its not cheating if everyones doing it and guess what? Most of them were.

[epo]

Hows it cheating? Correct me if Im wrong, MLBs policy concerning steroids before 2002 treated them the same way as cocaine or marijuana. So why havent players that have admitted to doing those drugs been banished from the HOF?

Its fucking bullshit. The commissioner and everyone else in baseball knew what was going on and they allowed it because they needed to get fans back after that debacle in 1994. The HOF is supposed to be about the fans, not the fucking writers, execs or former players. So let the fans decide. Put these guys up for a national online vote and make them have to hit that same percentage they need from the baseball writers. If the fans say YES, then they go in. They should do the same thing for Pete Rose.

How can I take the HOF seriously when the guy with the most hits ever isnt in it, the guy with the most HRs in a season isnt in it, and the 2 guys that saved baseball arent in it? Its a fucking farce.

I actually disagree with your premise. The Hall of Fame voting process has never been fan orientated. However the turnstiles at Cooperstown are.

[cougarjake13]

I actually disagree with your premise. The Hall of Fame voting process has never been fan orientated. However the turnstiles at Cooperstown are.



when u think about though ur 2 thoughts are the same
the voters aren't voting in utility players it's what the best of the game had to offer during their careers
which in turn are the popular most successful players

so in a way they are voting for turnstiles
just maybe not on purpose

[TripleSkeet]

I actually disagree with your premise. The Hall of Fame voting process has never been fan orientated. However the turnstiles at Cooperstown are.

I think the problem here is players arent going into the HOF based on the opinions of a group of sportswriters, without the fans having any say in the matter. Ive always had a problem with this process, but its one thing when you are talking about a few players on the bubble and another when you are talking about guys that are all over the record books.

[hanso]

Some of the holdovers could have made it dunno but maybe something is amiss

[NickyL0885]

I hate that people who don't even cover the game anymore still have a vote. You should have to be active in the covering of baseball to be able to vote. Also, this whole idea of "well, I think he did PED, so that means he is guilty" is so unfair. If there is legit evidence, don't vote them in! Look at Piazza. Only thing ever said about him was some asshole writer who said he saw acne on his back. But there was never a link to PEDs with him, he wasn't in the Mitchell Report. Voting should be like congressional term limits. Most of the voters are old fucks. If you need help taking a shit, then you can't vote anymore. Also, people like Vin Scully should be able to vote. I know some will argue that they he and others would be biased, but who are we to assume that? Like the current voters aren't biased?! Give me a fucking break!

[spoon]

Hows it cheating? Correct me if Im wrong, MLBs policy concerning steroids before 2002 treated them the same way as cocaine or marijuana. So why havent players that have admitted to doing those drugs been banished from the HOF?

Its fucking bullshit. The commissioner and everyone else in baseball knew what was going on and they allowed it because they needed to get fans back after that debacle in 1994. The HOF is supposed to be about the fans, not the fucking writers, execs or former players. So let the fans decide. Put these guys up for a national online vote and make them have to hit that same percentage they need from the baseball writers. If the fans say YES, then they go in. They should do the same thing for Pete Rose.

How can I take the HOF seriously when the guy with the most hits ever isnt in it, the guy with the most HRs in a season isnt in it, and the 2 guys that saved baseball arent in it? Its a fucking farce.


We all know rose is in when he passes, but he was a complete fucking moron so there's that. Bottom line is there are and should be repercussions for a player's stupid actions. And just bc some writers and the commish were selfish and looked away, sure as shit doesn't mean everyone should again bc people like ro say everyone cheated. That's simply not true and i can promise u some careers were't what they could have been bc of the cheating being around way too much. I feel for those that loat their dreams and refused to cheat, not those that did bc they were fucking jealous of extra attntion like Bonds was reported to be. And for the record, there were quite a few writers who were vocal on this when it was going down. Just not the majority. And let's be fair, most writers cover the sport and had little past with investigative reporting all but lost of late.

[El Mudo]

Rafael Soriano to the Nats. 2 and 28.

Tells me this team wants to win right now. They have THREE guys who could close. Man alive. Gotta think one of Storen and Clippard is gonna move out, especially with lack of lefties in 'pen (Zach Duke is it). You could get a real nice deal with a Storen/Morse package.

[A.J.]

Rafael Soriano to the Nats. 2 and 28.

Tells me this team wants to win right now. They have THREE guys who could close. Man alive. Gotta think one of Storen and Clippard is gonna move out, especially with lack of lefties in 'pen (Zach Duke is it). You could get a real nice deal with a Storen/Morse package.

Keep Storen, lose Henry Rodriguez.

[El Mudo]

Keep Storen, lose Henry Rodriguez.

Actually with H Rod's potential, you could probably get *more* dealing him than Storen. But then again, they actually had a deal in place to move Storen a couple years ago for Denard Span, but the Twins backed out. Guess they didn't want to be fleeced AGAIN after we dealt them Matt Capps for Wilson Ramos.

[A.J.]

Mariners trade for Michael Morse (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8851318/seattle-mariners-land-slugger-michael-morse-three-way-trade)

I'll miss The Beast (and his walkup song) but he became expendable.

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And it looks like the Sox have a 1 year deal with Mike Napoli (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8852776/boston-red-sox-mike-napoli-agree-1-year-deal-sources-say). I can live with that -- especially if there were health concerns.

[El Mudo]

Mariners trade for Michael Morse (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8851318/seattle-mariners-land-slugger-michael-morse-three-way-trade)

I'll miss The Beast (and his walkup song) but he became expendable.

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And it looks like the Sox have a 1 year deal with Mike Napoli (http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/8852776/boston-red-sox-mike-napoli-agree-1-year-deal-sources-say). I can live with that -- especially if there were health concerns.

Yeah everyone knew as soon as LaRoche was re-upped, Morse was gone. Was just a matter of finding a deal among the various suitors.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Denard Span making news


http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/16/denard-span-probably-needs-to-take-a-day-off-the-internet/

[spoon]

matt kemp ink

http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2013/01/kemp-tattoo.jpg

oof

[WRESTLINGFAN]

RIP Earl Weaver

[cougarjake13]

nice tat

[hanso]

RIP Earl Weaver

Want to hear his talk show bit about gardening now

[razorboy]

Want to hear his talk show bit about gardening now

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[A.J.]

RIP Earl Weaver

I'm glad I got to see him one last time when was at Camden Yards this past September for the unveiling of the Brooks Robinson statue. The O's fans really loved him.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm glad I got to see him one last time when was at Camden Yards this past September for the unveiling of the Brooks Robinson statue. The O's fans really loved him.

He might have been the 1st Sabremetrician. He favored his hitters having a high OBP

He had the best argument ever with an umpire


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[underdog]

Stan Musial, dead at 92.

[cougarjake13]

Stan no longer the man

[spoon]

Stan no longer the man

booo

and weaver got tossed like 100 times right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Musial had 3630 hits


Talk about even splits for home & road

1815 home/1815 away

[cougarjake13]

Musial had 3630 hits


Talk about even splits for home & road

1815 home/1815 away

did he miss any time for the war ? I think he did so his numbers could be even better

[WRESTLINGFAN]

did he miss any time for the war ? I think he did so his numbers could be even better

He missed the 1945 season due to Military service.

The what if factor for Williams is even greater, I think he missed 5 seasons. He would have gotten 3000 hits and 600 HR

[cougarjake13]

He missed the 1945 season due to Military service.

The what if factor for Williams is even greater, I think he missed 5 seasons. He would have gotten 3000 hits and 600 HR



yeh one year isn't much but for Williams yeh that does suck

[WRESTLINGFAN]

475 HR, 1951 RBI, 725 Doubles just to name a few are great numbers.

[Kevin]

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Earl Weaver was the best.

Though that ump got a nice dig saying for what? fucking up a world series?

[hanso]

Musial had 3630 hits


Talk about even splits for home & road

1815 home/1815 away

He also had this funky grip where all knuckles are in line

[WRESTLINGFAN]

MLB network reporting that Mariners to offer King Felix a 4 year 100 million contract extension . He's a free agent at end of 2014 season.

[TripleSkeet]

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Earl Weaver was the best.

Though that ump got a nice dig saying for what? fucking up a world series?

LMAO I thought the same thing. I literally laughed out loud when he said that.

[keithy_19]

LMAO I thought the same thing. I literally laughed out loud when he said that.

The way he said it was great too.

[A.J.]

Denshion. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/youk-silence-jilts-joba-article-1.1245547) :laugh:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Koufax to return as an advisor to LA

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/8869991/sandy-koufax-advise-los-angeles-dodgers-spring-training

[Earlshog]

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/8869761/delmon-young-signs-1-year-deal-philadelphia-phillies

Love the addition of the right-handed bat. In that stadium, in that line up, it’s low risk high reward. Hopefully guys like Rollins and Howard get in his ear and straiten him out, on the other hand if he acts like a fool just cut him. He's running out of chances.

Plus we are in agreement on our politics as it relates to the Semitic people. :innocent:

[spoon]

<iframe width="591" height="443" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MZ0BbN3m7bU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

:innocent:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

AZ trades Upton to the Braves in a multiplayer deal that includes INF/OF Martin Prado and RHP Randall Delgado

[spoon]

this has certainly turned into a huge year of trades

[hanso]

Not for my team I'm still waiting for something.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not for my team I'm still waiting for something.

There's still A Rod.

[Earlshog]

Braves are stacked; the rotation is potentially very good but could have some question marks. The lineup is crazy.

[hanso]

There's still A Rod.

That's just great, could be a butts in the seat move though. He could pick up ladies while he heals.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's just great, could be a butts in the seat move though. He could pick up ladies while he heals.

If that were to happen, the novelty would wear off quickly, especially if the Fish don't have a good year.


There's always a good selection of trim that he can have in South Beach.

[hanso]

I ment in the stands, Remember the baseball phone # deal?

[NickyL0885]

Now they're saying the Mets have a shot at Bourn. I'll take him. Lead off hitter and CF we need. It's down to the Mets and Mariners, and let's be fair; Who picks Seattle over NY? Oh who am I kidding, he'll be a Mariner.

[newport king]

The #s boomer and carton were throwing around this morning saying what he was looking for makes me think we have no shot. (6 yrs 90MM)

[NickyL0885]

The #s boomer and carton were throwing around this morning saying what he was looking for makes me think we have no shot. (6 yrs 90MM)

Well, the Mets don't want to give up their 1st round pick. But, they have petitioned to give up a 2nd rounder. The player's association supports them. Reason is, the Top 10 picks are protected. The Mets originally had #10. But b/c the Pirates could not sign their pick from last year, they got #10, bumping the Mets back 1 spot. So, in a way, they shouldn't have to give it up based on a technicality. MLB has said the Mets need to agree to a contract with him first, before ruling on which pick the Mets give up. I think they only want to go 3 years on him, but at this rate, he may have to take it.

[KnoxHarrington]

Let's play a little game. I'm going to post the beginning of an article on a MLB player, with that player's name removed. I bet you'll know who it is right away.

<i>Free-agent [position and name redacted] recently suffered a ruptured spleen that will sideline him for six to eight weeks, according to a report by FoxSports.com.

[Name redacted], 37, was injured when he slipped and fell while shoveling snow in his driveway at his home in Vermont, a source told the website.</i>

Yeah, bet you know who this is already.

[NickyL0885]

Let's play a little game. I'm going to post the beginning of an article on a MLB player, with that player's name removed. I bet you'll know who it is right away.

<i>Free-agent [position and name redacted] recently suffered a ruptured spleen that will sideline him for six to eight weeks, according to a report by FoxSports.com.

[Name redacted], 37, was injured when he slipped and fell while shoveling snow in his driveway at his home in Vermont, a source told the website.</i>

Yeah, bet you know who this is already.

I cheated, b/c I knew about this already. It's Carl Pavano

[spoon]

how do you rupture a healthy spleen so easily?

is the guy riddled with disease or have mono?

[Suspect Chin]

fuck it

[Kevin]

He usually does this after signing contracts, not before...

[spoon]

First time a long time I have some decent hopes for the Jays...nice write up here. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/fantasy-roto-arcade/pressing-questions-toronto-blue-jays-151801532--fantasy.html;_ylt=AqlaVVxJmYWko3O2uJJ1J.q5bZ8u)

[spoon]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBakcAKCYAApgfU.jpg

ha :lol:

[joeyballsack]

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2013-01-31/news/a-rod-and-doping-a-miami-clinic-supplies-drugs-to-sports-biggest-names/

Another season, another doping scandal.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Lance Armstrong is probably thanking god that the news isn't all over him this week

[cougarjake13]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBakcAKCYAApgfU.jpg

ha :lol:


nice !

[spoon]

arod lies again

and fucking melky in that news...fucking hate his signing, but at least he got caught recently and paid for it in some ways. Arod just got a ton of money sent to him from the King George vault and texas too. Fucking pos lied again too. Go figure.

[Kevin]

arod lies again

and fucking melky in that news...fucking hate his signing, but at least he got caught recently and paid for it in some ways. Arod just got a ton of money sent to him from the King George vault and texas too. Fucking pos lied again too. Go figure.

I wonder If the Yankees can void the deal if this comes out as a fact.

Its their own fault though. After seeing he was probably not even going to get 20mil a year from teams that year, they go ahead and bail him out and give him 28+ a year for 10 Years.

[spoon]

I wonder If the Yankees can void the deal if this comes out as a fact.

Its their own fault though. After seeing he was probably not even going to get 20mil a year from teams that year, they go ahead and bail him out and give him 28+ a year for 10 Years.

I fucking HATE both of them, but in all fairness it should be an out clause for ANY contract if you are caught...ANY. You gained said contract under false pretense and just doing this would cut PED use at least in HALF (what is left) IMMEDIATELY.

[Kevin]

I fucking HATE both of them, but in all fairness it should be an out clause for ANY contract if you are caught...ANY. You gained said contract under false pretense and just doing this would cut PED use at least in HALF (what is left) IMMEDIATELY.

I am just not convinced they like every MLB team, and Commish since lets say early to mid 90s were not well aware he was doing it.

Especially coming off a bad hip.

They would have tried anything if there was a chance for him to even come close to being what he is, the worst contract in the history of Sports.

[spoon]

I am just not convinced they like every MLB team, and Commish since lets say early to mid 90s were not well aware he was doing it.

Especially coming off a bad hip.

They would have tried anything if there was a chance for him to even come close to being what he is, the worst contract in the history of Sports.

nah, he's actually hit and done something in the rich MLB on well off financial teams...

I raise you...Alexi Yashin...Bought out in 07, yet still costing them 2 million a year in cap space. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/news/2001/09/05/yashin_islanders_ap/)

Making matters worse looking back, the Islanders not only paid in money for Yashin, but AWESOME players in the end. Yashin, 33, was acquired from the Ottawa Senators in June 2001 for defenseman Zdeno Chara, forward Bill Muckalt and the Islanders' 2001 first-round pick (Jason Spezza was taken)

Great quote from Milbury who sucked since day one there. Oh it got worse!

"When I got here, it was a mess, and it got messier since I've been here. Until Charles and [co-owner] Sanjay [Kumar], there was no investment in terms of personnel or in terms of the building. I don't' blame anyone for not showing up - the last few years, it was hard for me to show up. But now, this team has a good chance to win, and it's been a good summer."

Fucking awful in every way possible.

=======================

Not to be outdone by Milbury & Wang on the Island, Snow & Wang had this gem up for debate as worst contract ever as well. And remember, this the hockey/the Islanders, right before a cap and of course the length with both are hilarious for many reasons. Not to mention Yashin's contract was in 2001, bought out in 2007, AFTER the DiPietro deal. So at one point, they had two of the worst contracts in the history of sports on the same payroll/team! I can't imagine why the Islanders have been so horrid for a long long time.

Rick DiPietro, Islander for 15 years up until 2021! (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2584306)

A great finish to all this is Yashin has actually been talking to the Islanders about possibly coming BACK to play there! He's only going to be 40 and is still technically on the payroll, but I see no reason the fans wouldn't just LOVE this idea! Wang, wtf are you thinking...if you ever did.

[Kevin]

nah, he's actually hit and done something in the rich MLB on well off financial teams...

I raise you...Alexi Yashin...Bought out in 07, yet still costing them 2 million a year in cap space. (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/news/2001/09/05/yashin_islanders_ap/)

Making matters worse looking back, the Islanders not only paid in money for Yashin, but AWESOME players in the end.

Fucking awful in every way possible.

Not to be outdone by Milbury & Wang on the Island, Snow & Wang had this gem up for debate as worst contract ever as well. And remember, this the hockey/the Islanders, right before a cap and of course the length with both are hilarious for many reasons. Not to mention Yashin's contract was in 2001, bought out in 2007, AFTER the DiPietro deal. So at one point, they had two of the worst contracts in the history of sports on the same payroll/team! I can't imagine why the Islanders have been so horrid for a long long time.

Bought out in 07, yet still costing them 2 million a year in cap space. (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2584306)

Great quote from Milbury who sucked since day one there. Oh it got worse!
That was in the Yashin signing article.

Then they gave a fucking Goalie 15yrs...

How many years does he have left in that deal?

Jesus 2006... Another 3 years. He has not played in like 3 years at least

[spoon]

Then they gave a fucking Goalie 15yrs...

How many years does he have left in that deal?

Jesus 2006... Another 3 years. He has not played in like 3 years at least

3 years? Fuck no, try more than half the deal and EIGHT!

8 years and he wasn't ever that good in the first place!

It would have been like the Avs giving David Aebischer that contract after his one good year...only he doesn't get injured when someone skates through the face off circle.

[Kevin]

3 years? Fuck no, try more than half the deal and EIGHT!

8 years and he wasn't ever that good in the first place!

It would have been like the Avs giving David Aebischer that contract after his one good year...only he doesn't get injured when someone skates through the face off circle.

Oh shit it was 15 I was thinking 10 because of the Arod thing.

I was looking at his stats he was avg 3 FUCKING GOALS PER GAME!

[spoon]

I wonder If the Yankees can void the deal if this comes out as a fact.

Its their own fault though. After seeing he was probably not even going to get 20mil a year from teams that year, they go ahead and bail him out and give him 28+ a year for 10 Years.

Here you go! Doubt it works bc this would only highlight the PED issues in the league again and every team would be looking for outs for everything, not just PEDs. (http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2013/1/29/3930206/yankees-want-to-void-alex-rodriguez-contract)

Oh Yanks

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Not just A Rod

Ryan Brauns name listed in the Biogenesis scandal according to MLB network

[Kevin]

If this Braun thing is true...

I DEMAND ANOTHER BRET FAVRE APOLOGY FROM EPO!

Say it with me Epo..

Kevin

I'm

Sorry!!

[Kevin]

Here you go! Doubt it works bc this would only highlight the PED issues in the league again and every team would be looking for outs for everything, not just PEDs. (http://www.bluebirdbanter.com/2013/1/29/3930206/yankees-want-to-void-alex-rodriguez-contract)

Oh Yanks

"Just watch, it this works, and CC Sabathia has a bad year, they will want to void his contract because he is overweight. "

CAPT CRUNCH CLAUSE!

I LIKE IT!

Other teams have the Dodgers to save them from stupid contracts, WE HAVE CLAUSES!

[hanso]

There should be more players to follow maybe big names also

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Francisco Cervelli named, but he should get his money back.

[epo]

If this Braun thing is true...

I DEMAND ANOTHER BRET FAVRE APOLOGY FROM EPO!

Say it with me Epo..

Kevin

I'm

Sorry!!

No proof of anything other than dogshit reporting from Yahoo Sports.

[cougarjake13]

Francisco Cervelli named, but he should get his money back.



or think how bad he'd be if he didnt take anything

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Todd Helton arrested for DUI outside of Denver.


He's probably another Larry Walker in regards to the HOF. Good (not great) numbers but his splits from Coors Field and away parks are probably on the other end of the spectrum.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Mariners and King Felix agree to 7 Year 175mm deal

[razorboy]

I saw Helton's mugshot. That chinless freak needs to stick with the goatee.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2013/02/Todd-Helton-mugshot.jpg

[razorboy]

Mariners and King Felix agree to 7 Year 175mm deal

That's somewhere around $7500 per pitch. Must be nice.

[cougarjake13]

http://www.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2013/02/Todd-Helton-mugshot.jpg



is he related to the cansecos ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

When does David Price become a free agent? He could be the next 25mm per year man.

[razorboy]

When does David Price become a free agent?

After the 2015 season.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wow, this is really depressing. Kinda feel bad for Marlins fans


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photos-marlins-fans-turn-winter-warm-event-220646017--mlb.html

[hanso]

Wow, this is really depressing. Kinda feel bad for Marlins fans


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photos-marlins-fans-turn-winter-warm-event-220646017--mlb.html

The GM used to go on local sports radio, he wasn't bad when I tuned in he talked movies and stuff but he has been muzzled.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How does Selig allow Loria to keep getting away with this? Also the taxpayers were fucked royally in regards to Marlins stadium being built

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How does Selig allow Loria to keep getting away with this? Also the taxpayers were fucked royally in regards to Marlins stadium being built

Selig allow this!? Come on, pay attention, he's a shill for the owners...especially those with deep pockets, power and or ties to him in the past.

Second, this situation, of all Loria situations, is the LEAST douchey by a MILE. He got a VERY good return on his players he only had bc they were the highest bidder a few months back, minus Johnson who would have left after this year anyway. Yes I know Bonf too, but he's a plugger with speed. So in the end, they revamped their farm and got some MLB youth on the cheap while unloading aging vets too old to help the next generation of this team much.

The taxpayer thing, yah, that was a fleecing and complete joke. Yet how did this ever go through being that even at their height the Marlins have 200 fans. All 50 left right now are certainly pissed but should actually see the last move was potentially Loria's best, and quite possibly his ONLY good move.

[Kevin]

Selig allow this!? Come on, pay attention, he's a shill for the owners...especially those with deep pockets, power and or ties to him in the past.

Second, this situation, of all Loria situations, is the LEAST douchey by a MILE. He got a VERY good return on his players he only had bc they were the highest bidder a few months back, minus Johnson who would have left after this year anyway. Yes I know Bonf too, but he's a plugger with speed. So in the end, they revamped their farm and got some MLB youth on the cheap while unloading aging vets too old to help the next generation of this team much.

The taxpayer thing, yah, that was a fleecing and complete joke. Yet how did this ever go through being that even at their height the Marlins have 200 fans. All 50 left right now are certainly pissed but should actually see the last move was potentially Loria's best, and quite possibly his ONLY good move.


I don't give a rats ass what he got for an investment on his players.

You don't get all that money from your fans for a shitty gimmick stadium then turn around and sell the team a year later.

Let's call this what it is.

You are defending this because it was your team that benefited on this. GOD FORBID the Yankees pulled that deal off, you would have spent the next decade bashing MLB for this.


I wont even get into what you would have done if they did what the Dodgers, did.

Let's not pretend that it's anything other than the Not the Yankees. And your team.

[spoon]

I don't give a rats ass what he got for an investment on his players.

You don't get all that money from your fans for a shitty gimmick stadium then turn around and sell the team a year later.

Let's call this what it is.

You are defending this because it was your team that benefited on this. GOD FORBID the Yankees pulled that deal off, you would have spent the next decade bashing MLB for this.


I wont even get into what you would have done if they did what the Dodgers, did.

Let's not pretend that it's anything other than the Not the Yankees. And your team.

poor kev still thinks I like what the Dodgers did, or that this wasn't an actual trade with some value in both fucking direction

sure thing, just take it all on face value and never, ever be objective...in fact, be exactly what you claim I am being, which of course you have ass backwards like most things you post about. I hate the yankees, the dodgers are a fucking joke and guess what would have stopped them or any other team from going too low (Miami) or too high with payroll (LA)? You guessed it, a cap floor/ceiling argument. Oh yah, guess who was for, is for and will continue to be for this? Yah, you know the answer. Good talk Kev! You're still and asshole fool who can't see past his own biases and neatly pushes them off on others.

This is the first time my team has been involved in a trade of any magnitude in years...and another right around the corner and why? Bc it was finally possible to get in the ring due to their amazing build up of prospects with a savvy GM playing the loopholes in the shitty system that was in place. He schooled quite a few HUGE money GMs in the buildup to the last contract, so much so they made rules directly to stop him and others from amassing picks that still some top prospects wouldn't sign for "lesser" teams, making the draft still a mess even now. Yet of course I only BLINDLY hate the MASSIVE build up for two decades of the yankees, their history of fleecing teams with connections like KC before that and having a poor owner like King G who was fucking banned from the game for some real dirty shit/some with his own star players, only to be let back in by, you guessed it, your Bud...Selig!

Make some sense, as you constantly spout off I'm fine with LA!? How many times will you ignore I am not and never was. They were already one of my LEAST favorite NL teams in the past, now they are right up there on top for reasons YOU say I don't give a shit about. But ok Kev, let us ignore the facts, my own words and any truth in this matter and live in a bullshit reality world and act like you have ANY semblance of a point.

Oh yah, GO JETS! Am I right! Great Tebow move, and RGIII should play with a concussion and no MCL/ACL!

[hanso]

The tax was a bed tax from tourist

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Elbow issues may affect King Felix extension


http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/21681498/report-concern-about-felixs-elbow-could-affect-contract-extension

[A.J.]

Wow, this is really depressing. Kinda feel bad for Marlins fans


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photos-marlins-fans-turn-winter-warm-event-220646017--mlb.html

What Marlins fans?