~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[Snoogans]

if on the field and healthy, yah, they'd be pretty damn good

big if

they said they are gonna keep hanley and move him to 3rd

[cougarjake13]

man id hate to see reyes go anywhere in the nl east

[Kevin]

man id hate to see reyes go anywhere in the nl east

I would think its still better than Philly, No?

[cougarjake13]

I would think its still better than Philly, No?

100% but if they do go the route theyve gone twice before and sign a bunch of guys and actually contend then it wont feel like much of a diff


really what would piss me off most if he left and it doesnt matter where he goes but stays healthy for next 4 yrs and puts up the numbers we see him put up when he does play 150+ games

[NickyL0885]

100% but if they do go the route theyve gone twice before and sign a bunch of guys and actually contend then it wont feel like much of a diff


really what would piss me off most if he left and it doesnt matter where he goes but stays healthy for next 4 yrs and puts up the numbers we see him put up when he does play 150+ games

You mean Ruben Tejada doesn't excite you?!

[cougarjake13]

You mean Ruben Tejada doesn't excite you?!

no miggys younger brother does nothing for me

[Kevin]

no miggys younger brother does nothing for me

What if he follows his bigger brothers lead and does a ton of roids?

[cougarjake13]

What if he follows his bigger brothers lead and does a ton of roids?

that alone wont make them much better or even good enough to jump 3 teams in the division

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New manager for the Cards, nope its not Francona. No managerial experience but he spent time in the organization as a player.


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/11/mike-matheny-cardinals-manager-tony-la-russa/1

[epo]

New manager for the Cards, nope its not Francona. No managerial experience but he spent time in the organization as a player.


http://content.usatoday.com/communities/dailypitch/post/2011/11/mike-matheny-cardinals-manager-tony-la-russa/1

Matheny was a tough guy when he was a player. I've got all the respect for him in the world.

[NickyL0885]

no miggys younger brother does nothing for me

I don't believe they're related.

[Snoogans]

that alone wont make them much better or even good enough to jump 3 teams in the division

it will if you have the whole team do them like oakland did

Money ball

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kemp to stay in LA


http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7233500/sources-matt-kemp-los-angeles-dodgers-160-million-deal

[spoon]

Hearing jays going to make a push on darvish, madson and that cuban kid everyone wants. My bet is they get none of these guys, with madson being the best shot to come here as the next overpaid closer bj ryan style.

[Snoogans]

Hearing jays going to make a push on darvish, madson and that cuban kid everyone wants. My bet is they get none of these guys, with madson being the best shot to come here as the next overpaid closer bj ryan style.

he had a hell of a highlight film

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ej4AP-veuF8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Kevin]

All time Cuban Hr record is 33hrs...

33

[A.J.]

All time Cuban Hr record is 33hrs...

33

The Cubans don't have the "vitamins" that the Dominicans do.

[newport king]

if they play 10 games a season, 33 is impressive.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

And in other news. Water is wet.


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7238325/justin-verlander-detroit-tigers-unanimous-winner-al-cy-young


The NL CYA winner will have a closer vote I think. You can make a good argument that Kershaw, Halliday and Kennedy are all deserving.

[spoon]

Here I'll help with some true news...Houston probably moving to the AL in 2013 and type A/B comp picks for free agent signings to be phased out.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Orioles fans your teams a goin retro


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7238630/baltimore-orioles-bring-back-cartoon-bird-2012-caps

[hanso]

Reyes wants $100 M- Miami offered 90 for fewer year/s. And so starts the free agent ping pong match.

[Snacks]

Reyes wants $100 M- Miami offered 90 for fewer year/s. And so starts the free agent ping pong match.

Miami should back out now, hes always hurt and has only had 1 really great season. His value is in his legs and they always breakdown on him. Hes getting older, has no power and is an injury risk plus they already have the top ss in the league (Hanley)

[disneyspy]

looks like the leagues will be getting rid of the divisions and adding 2 wild cards

[Snacks]

looks like the leagues will be getting rid of the divisions and adding 2 wild cards

so 1 league no division at all top 6 teams make playoffs?

[disneyspy]

so 1 league no division at all top 6 teams make playoffs?

thats what my inside source tells me,there'll be an announcement tommorow

[disneyspy]

i think there will only be 5 teams with the 4th and 5th doing a 3 game play in

[Kevin]

thats what my inside source tells me,there'll be an announcement tommorow

By inside do you mean he is inside you right now?

[Snoogans]

adding 2 wild cards but getting rid of divisions wouldnt add to the number of teams in the playoffs. It would just change how they get in. It would still be 4 per league.

1 team will win the league, there is 1 wildcard, and they are adding 2 more. thats 4 teams. There wont be division winners anymore.

[Kevin]

So that means we will be the forever reigning AND DEFENDING AL East champs.

I want a new Goddamn banner up every year.

[disneyspy]

it'll be 5 per league

[Snoogans]

it'll be 5 per league

then they are adding 3 WCs, not 2. If you eliminate divisions, that eliminates 2 spots. If they add 2 more spots. thats even. that keeps it as 4.

Did you fall asleep while talkin to your "sources" which i suspect is just cnnsi.com

[disneyspy]

then they are adding 3 WCs, not 2. If you eliminate divisions, that eliminates 2 spots. If they add 2 more spots. thats even. that keeps it as 4.

Did you fall asleep while talkin to your "sources" which i suspect is just cnnsi.com

its on the scroll of the duke/michigan state game,its reporting 10 playoff teams

[Snoogans]

its on the scroll of the duke/michigan state game,its reporting 10 playoff teams

ok but you said they are adding 2 WCs. so you fucked up the math.

[disneyspy]

ok but you said they are adding 2 WCs. so you fucked up the math.

ya,i meant that as 2 WCs,1 for both leagues,you misunderstood the math

[Snoogans]

ya,i meant that as 2 WCs,1 for both leagues,you misunderstood the math

ok, let me try to explain this to you again. There are currently 4 teams that make it. When you eliminate divisions, that leaves only 2 teams, the league winner, and the current WC. to get to 5 teams per league, you would have to add 3 WCs per league. Regardless of how you slice it, you fucked up. You are adding it on as if the division winner spots are still there. They wont be. So they have to ADD more WCs. Since there is only 1 now

[joeyballsack]

So basically, three AL East teams and some other team that will make it to the Series ?

[TripleSkeet]

That sucks. Leave it to Bud Selig to learn NOTHING from how exciting the last day of the regular season was this year.

[spoon]

I HIGHLY doubt they'll totally abolish the concept of divisions, as not one major sport lacks them in any way. To me, this seems unbelievably out of the realm of possibility, even with asshole Selig. My guess si it'll be the same old divisions, some minor realignment (Houston or some other team from the NL to the AL to even it up) and the addition of one or more WC spots in both leagues.

[spoon]

That sucks. Leave it to Bud Selig to learn NOTHING from how exciting the last day of the regular season was this year.

no matter how it's sliced, you'd have the same shit

if there are more spots, there are more scenarios for last second developments and close races

it's pretty logical

[Kevin]

no matter how it's sliced, you'd have the same shit

if there are more spots, there are more scenarios for last second developments and close races

it's pretty logical

The only thing it accomplishes is getting the bug market teams in the playoffs.

Selig doesn't care about small markets.

3 Al East teams and whoever.

[TripleSkeet]

Just watched the whole breakdown on Sportscenter. Not one time did they mention getting rid of divisions. All they said was each league would have 15 teams. Sounds like 3, 5 team divisions each to me.

[spoon]

Just watched the whole breakdown on Sportscenter. Not one time did they mention getting rid of divisions. All they said was each league would have 15 teams. Sounds like 3, 5 team divisions each to me.

That's what you people get for putting any stock into a dspy report.

[epo]

The only thing it accomplishes is getting the bug market teams in the playoffs.

Selig doesn't care about small markets.

3 Al East teams and whoever.

Yes, the Commissioner who owned the Milwaukee Brewers & keeps an office on 60th street in MKE supposedly only cares about big markets. That crazy talk.

[Kevin]

Yes, the Commissioner who owned the Milwaukee Brewers & keeps an office on 60th street in MKE supposedly only cares about big markets. That crazy talk.

Who I might add did a terrible job owning said team.

[spoon]

Who I might add did a terrible job owning said team.

but he did take care of them by moving them out of what was to become the toughest/biggest market driven division, while "handing off ownership to his family/daughter" until he could make a HUGE profit

he clearly wasn't biased and only gave a shit about one small market team...name another

[Kevin]

Mojo im sure is inconsolable (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7242337/terry-francona-ruled-managing-2012-not-chicago-cubs)

[Kevin]

but he did take care of them by moving them out of what was to become the toughest/biggest market driven division, while "handing off ownership to his family/daughter" until he could make a HUGE profit

he clearly wasn't biased and only gave a shit about one small market team...name another

Epo has Penn St vision when it comes to anything Wisconsin...

They can do no wrong in his eyes no matter what proof he sees.

That and I'm pretty sure Wisconsin touches alot of kids too..

[A.J.]

That and I'm pretty sure Wisconsin touches alot of kids too..

"Yaaaaaah. He touched me dare."

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/images/Spiritually-Correct-Doll.jpg

[spoon]

Selig is hardly the man who brought the Pilots to Mil after he was pissed about the Braves leaving (as he speculated). Then again perhaps he is. He's always been about himself and his tie to baseball, whatever the level is at the moment. If he was for the small markets, why just take another one and do the same to Seattle that just happened to Mil, especially after only one year there! Sorry, his selfish moves speak for themselves, always in his own best interest.

Another great example of his power grab was HOW he become the commish, and his moves while there early. Like the year he suspended Marge Schott for being the same person she always was (racist piece of shit) and in the same breath reinstating Steinbrenner from a fucking lifetime ban. Rose still isn't allowed in bc he offers nothing to Selig's bottom line, while Steinbrenner was not only banned by a foe, but the upside via an alliance there was huge. It's all fucking calculated based on what's best for Selig.

And what's with that fucking mess of a statue in front of Miller Park? Who puts up a monument to a shitty, douche owner next to GREATS like Yount and Aaron?

aboooo

http://www.hmdb.org/Photos1/131/Photo131221.jpg

[spoon]

"Yaaaaaah. He touched me dare."

http://onegoodmove.org/1gm/images/Spiritually-Correct-Doll.jpg

ha!

[Snoogans]

wait, what?

The Boston Herald says that the Red Sox, looking to get some “buy-low” starting pitching, have called Freddy Garcia‘s agent


buy low? 60 million just came off your payroll and you are calling freddy fuckin garcia? and Matt Capps? Really?

[A.J.]

And what's with that fucking mess of a statue in front of Miller Park? Who puts up a monument to a shitty, douche owner next to GREATS like Yount and Aaron?

aboooo

http://www.hmdb.org/Photos1/131/Photo131221.jpg

Hopefully that monstrosity gets regularly covered in pigeon shit.

Worst commissioner ever.

[Snoogans]

Hopefully that monstrosity gets regularly covered in pigeon shit.

Worst commissioner ever.

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nba-commissioner-david-stern-talks-to-the-media-prior-to-the-start-of-the-2011-nba-basketball-draft-lottery-meeting-tuesday-may-17-2011-in-secaucus-n-j.jpeg?w=320

[spoon]

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yah, new unis...same 3rd or 4th place finish!

[spoon]

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nba-commissioner-david-stern-talks-to-the-media-prior-to-the-start-of-the-2011-nba-basketball-draft-lottery-meeting-tuesday-may-17-2011-in-secaucus-n-j.jpeg?w=320

I hate the NBA so to me Stern RULES!

oh and let's be honest, is there really a good commish out there right now?

I say not really. Bettman and Goddel aren't AS BAD, but aren't good. It's like the CEO's of big companies, they aren't usually very good at their jobs, they just had/have connections and continue landing big jobs bc of them.

[Snoogans]

I hate the NBA so to me Stern RULES!

oh and let's be honest, is there really a good commish out there right now?

I say not really. Bettman and Goddel aren't AS BAD, but aren't good. It's like the CEO's of big companies, they aren't usually very good at their jobs, they just had/have connections and continue landing big jobs bc of them.

to be honest, i would say the MLS commissioner is really good. the fact that that dogshit league hasnt folded yet, and somehow keeps adding teams, is really impressive to me.

The MLS is so bad even the spanish dudes at work wont watch it, and those motherfuckers will bet a hundred dollars on fuckin Tijuana vs Chiappas

[A.J.]

http://nbcprobasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/nba-commissioner-david-stern-talks-to-the-media-prior-to-the-start-of-the-2011-nba-basketball-draft-lottery-meeting-tuesday-may-17-2011-in-secaucus-n-j.jpeg?w=320

Touche'.

[Dirtbag]

oh and let's be honest, is there really a good commish out there right now?

Not really an apples to apples comparison, but Dana White, for all his faults, pretty much rules.

[spoon]

Bob Elliott of the Toronto Sun tells us, after reports to the contrary, that the Jays are lukewarm on Yoennis Cespedes, the Cuban free agent with the wacky video and the 30/30 expectations.

"A workout date for the Jays had not been set up," says Elliott, "and their GM, Alex Anthopoulos, said that the club has not decided if it will be following up" on their previous inquiries on the player. The Jays were reportedly one of many teams to have seen Cespedes work out in the Dominican earlier this month.


Sounds like AA and the Jays aren't in on Cespedes.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Kershaw wins NL CYA

[spoon]

Kershaw wins NL CYA

both cy awards were locked up in september, perhaps earlier in the AL

[Snoogans]

Sounds like AA and the Jays aren't in on Cespedes.

the sox are gonna do it anyway so dont worry, you will still get to watch him suck

[spoon]

the sox are gonna do it anyway so dont worry, you will still get to watch him suck

Jays may take the shot on Darvish, but I'm not sure they can outbid the big teams on this one. Also, when was the last Japanese pitcher to be worth his overall package of money spent to get him?

I worry about it, but like the risk vs this Cuban CF. His vid is just off and I'm not sold.

[Snoogans]

Jays may take the shot on Darvish, but I'm not sure they can outbid the big teams on this one. Also, when was the last Japanese pitcher to be worth his overall package of money spent to get him?

I worry about it, but like the risk vs this Cuban CF. His vid is just off and I'm not sold.

thats the reason i laugh at this guy. you are making a highlight tape for pro teams, maybe you shouldnt put unedited rap songs in there where a guy yells Pussy Juice in the middle of you posing.

And Darvish might be a massive steal, since he is only half jap. he is half Iranian. so he could be cold blooded

[spoon]

personally of all the big ticket items out there he's the one I'd be the most ok with taking a shot on

i just don't think they have enough to make it happen, and can we just drop this stupid system with Japanese players?

we can just sign whoever in the DR and Ven, but with Japan they get to fleece US clubs?

[Snoogans]

personally of all the big ticket items out there he's the one I'd be the most ok with taking a shot on

i just don't think they have enough to make it happen, and can we just drop this stupid system with Japanese players?

we can just sign whoever in the DR and Ven, but with Japan they get to fleece US clubs?

its not japanese. Its a European/Asian system. They run financials the same way soccer does, and so you literally have to buy guys from other teams. DR and the rest of the americas operate the way the US does cause we have alot of influence on their leagues

[spoon]

so that's why we aren't overrun with all those awesome Fin ball players!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Spoon rate your fav blue jays jersey.


http://www.globaltoronto.com/favourite+jersey/6442524010/story.html


I liked the 2000 Home Jersey and 1993 Away

[spoon]

it would help if that wasn't an extremely lacking list of jerseys bc they are missing plenty

lazy setup by that site

[spoon]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2011/02/02/anthopoulos-alex_584.jpg

you guys ready

bc this is the year, especially if Selig institutes the extra WC, that the Jays are at least in the playoff picture late

oh and new unis tomorrow

[Kevin]

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/sports/photos/2011/02/02/anthopoulos-alex_584.jpg

you guys read

bc this is the year, especially if Selig institutes the extra WC, that the Jays are at least in the playoff picture late

oh and new unis tomorrow

By late do you mean August instead of June?

[spoon]

By late do you mean August instead of June?

by definition that means later, not late

[Kevin]

by definition that means later, not late

Someone needs a Tebow hug

[JimBeam]

I didn't hear and I was too lazy too look it up but why did the select Houston to move to the AL ?

Why them ?

[epo]

Selig is hardly the man who brought the Pilots to Mil after he was pissed about the Braves leaving (as he speculated). Then again perhaps he is. He's always been about himself and his tie to baseball, whatever the level is at the moment. If he was for the small markets, why just take another one and do the same to Seattle that just happened to Mil, especially after only one year there! Sorry, his selfish moves speak for themselves, always in his own best interest.

Another great example of his power grab was HOW he become the commish, and his moves while there early. Like the year he suspended Marge Schott for being the same person she always was (racist piece of shit) and in the same breath reinstating Steinbrenner from a fucking lifetime ban. Rose still isn't allowed in bc he offers nothing to Selig's bottom line, while Steinbrenner was not only banned by a foe, but the upside via an alliance there was huge. It's all fucking calculated based on what's best for Selig.

And what's with that fucking mess of a statue in front of Miller Park? Who puts up a monument to a shitty, douche owner next to GREATS like Yount and Aaron?

aboooo

http://www.hmdb.org/Photos1/131/Photo131221.jpg

You need a Tebow hug.

Also the statue at Miller Park of Selig isn't really that close to anything, as its on its own on the 3rd base line. Aaron & Yount are close to the statue symbolizing the unionized workers who died in the crane collaspe when the stadium was built...which is behind home plate.

The only reason I know this is that its the point of entry from where I park at Miller Park.

[Kevin]

I didn't hear and I was too lazy too look it up but why did the select Houston to move to the AL ?

Why them ?

They wanted to make each league an even 15 teams.

And i guess with the small park, the Astros best fit an AL team..

The 2nd one was just my observation though.

Though Philly would prob fit that too.

[spoon]

Someone needs a Tebow hug

come on man, stop stealing bits

i guess you went to the Carlos Mencia Albanian School of Comedy huh?

[KnoxHarrington]

And what's with that fucking mess of a statue in front of Miller Park? Who puts up a monument to a shitty, douche owner next to GREATS like Yount and Aaron?

aboooo



http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__64/ept_sports_mlb_experts-792128564-1285034778.jpg?ymacazDDcvLQFj7B

[Kevin]

come on man, stop stealing bits

i guess you went to the Carlos Mencia Albanian School of Comedy huh?

I guess you went you went to the German school of not sharing and killing.

EVERYZING IZ MINZ!

[spoon]

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mlb_experts__64/ept_sports_mlb_experts-792128564-1285034778.jpg?ymacazDDcvLQFj7B

That only adds to my point. He should still be banned, not allowed to help destroy the league and infect millions.

[spoon]

I guess you went you went to the German school of not sharing and killing.

EVERYZING IZ MINZ!

si

[spoon]

logo is busy and too many fonts

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_1.jpg

[Snoogans]

logo is busy and too many fonts

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_1.jpg

i heard on august 1st they are changing to this one:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_095Q7a1oczo/SqXidDKRfWI/AAAAAAAAANg/SaGnlRnGl0A/s400/dead_blue_jay.jpg

[spoon]

logo on the jersey is a little better, w/o the baseball and confining circle and numerous fonts

however, the jerseys are just a step back toward an older look and a turn from the darker grey/black jerseys toward more blue infused

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_2.jpg

[A.J.]

i heard on august 1st they are changing to this one:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_095Q7a1oczo/SqXidDKRfWI/AAAAAAAAANg/SaGnlRnGl0A/s400/dead_blue_jay.jpg

Tebowing Blue Jay?

[Snoogans]

Tebowing Blue Jay?

actually i heard the Jays are going after Eric Decker, since Brad Nessler told me last night he played HS baseball

[spoon]

i heard on august 1st they are changing to this one:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_095Q7a1oczo/SqXidDKRfWI/AAAAAAAAANg/SaGnlRnGl0A/s400/dead_blue_jay.jpg


I'm going to use this!

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_3.jpg




To do this!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9kxsz5mb6pKQeJsr08kxQpctrS3FR8 SfwJdipQvN8VL2jQK81EpUzPGwr4w


see what you did cakes!?

[Snoogans]

I'm going to use this!

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_3.jpg




To do this!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9kxsz5mb6pKQeJsr08kxQpctrS3FR8 SfwJdipQvN8VL2jQK81EpUzPGwr4w


see what you did cakes!?

HOW DARE YOU POST DEAD PICTURES OF SOMETHING I LIKE IN RESPONSE TO ME POSTING DEAD PICS OF SOMETHING YOU LIKE.

THAT IS SO UNCALLED FOR. IM LEAVING THIS BOARD TO GO WRITE A SHITTY YANKEE BLOG

[Kevin]

I'm going to use this!

http://www.battersbox.ca/images/articles/20111118120241697_3.jpg




To do this!

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9kxsz5mb6pKQeJsr08kxQpctrS3FR8 SfwJdipQvN8VL2jQK81EpUzPGwr4w


see what you did cakes!?

If those two pics linked accurately, the dog would only be hurt on his left side.

[spoon]

that was a GREAT moment in RF.Net history

to say hilarious is to severely undersell it




and for the life of me, I can't find those sweet bdog pup pics of old!

[spoon]

If those two pics linked accurately, the dog would only be hurt on his left side.

nah, he's latin and likes hitting shit from behind

[Snoogans]

nah, he's latin and likes hitting shit from behind

i think he was goin for all his home runs go to left field

[spoon]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2011/11/0.jpg


Seriously though, not too bad even if it's pretty much just going back to an older style with some tweaks. Love the blue back in there though.

[spoon]

now they just need multiple positions filled, a new stadium, new division and of course a fuck load of money infused stat!

[spoon]

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_luvfeoPXR51qb0ctno1_1280.jpg

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/001/353/792/ogopr90c4s7q4ez68ga7vhbyh_display_image.gif?131722 6238

as you can see, blue jay fans have way too much time on their hand

also, all they did was look at the old 1977-1996 logo and rip anything that wasn't in line with it.

[spoon]

just found a nice site FULL of info for epo

What's Brewing!? (http://george-ilona.blogspot.com/?expref=next-blog)

[Jayw]

Get use to my avatar dick bags.

Luckily I dont even think a guy with no experience(matheney) can fuck up our next championship.

Cool logos tho bro.

[A.J.]

as you can see, blue jay fans have way too much time on their hand

also, all they did was look at the old 1977-1996 logo and rip anything that wasn't in line with it.

I surprised they didn't point out the darker "colours". Get with the "programme" Jays fans!

[Kevin]

BDC was on the fan earlier and said he would trade anyone for Matt Garza including Montero.

Miss BDC.

[KnoxHarrington]

As the NBA prepares to piss away their entire season, MLB looks like it will have a labor deal done months before the season actually begins.

Baseball players and owners have reached a tentative verbal agreement on a five-year labor contract and hope to have a signed deal by next week.
Negotiators reached an understanding when they met late Thursday at the InterContinental O'Hare in Rosemont, Ill., a person familiar with the negotiations told The Associated Press. The person spoke on condition of anonymity Friday because the agreement still was being drafted.
The sides hope to sign a memorandum of understanding in time to announce the agreement Monday or Tuesday. The last item to fall in place was the luxury tax on high payroll teams.
The agreement, the first for the union since Michael Weiner succeeded Donald Fehr as head last year, would replace the deal expiring Dec. 11 and would give baseball 21 years of labor peace since the 1994-95 strike.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/11/18/labor.cba.ap/index.html#ixzz1eBLoIGR9

We bash Bud Selig because he seems like kind of a tool pretty often, but, really, it does appear that MLB might be the best run league of them all. Of course, compared to the other clowns Selig is up against, I don't know how impressive that is.

[Kevin]

As the NBA prepares to piss away their entire season, MLB looks like it will have a labor deal done months before the season actually begins.



We bash Bud Selig because he seems like kind of a tool pretty often, but, really, it does appear that MLB might be the best run league of them all. Of course, compared to the other clowns Selig is up against, I don't know how impressive that is.

Somewhere Spoons eye just twitched.

And Epo got a very small Wisconsin hard on.

[A.J.]

BDC was on the fan earlier and said he would trade anyone for Matt Garza including Montero.

praying Please make this happen. praying

[spoon]

BDC was on the fan earlier and said he would trade anyone for Matt Garza including Montero.

Miss BDC.

i thought his name was Dude! and WF now?

[Kevin]

i thought his name was Dude! and WF now?

WF Maybe. Don't think Dude!

[spoon]

As the NBA prepares to piss away their entire season, MLB looks like it will have a labor deal done months before the season actually begins.



We bash Bud Selig because he seems like kind of a tool pretty often, but, really, it does appear that MLB might be the best run league of them all. Of course, compared to the other clowns Selig is up against, I don't know how impressive that is.

Knox, this is only happening bc they ALL took a huge hit bc of 1994 and vowed never to let it come to that again. It's not bc MLB is run so smoothly, everything points to the exact opposite, including their new pathetic division championship hats and free agency comp system. To give this guy credit for pretty much owning the MLBPA of late too, isn't a good thing trust me. Remember, this is mr. collusion from the past too, we know what motivates him and keeps him at the post for the owners.

[spoon]

WF Maybe. Don't think Dude!

jeez kev, way to be literal

can you tell me why community isn't funny bc the students have been there three tv seasons again?

:lol:

[Kevin]

jeez kev, way to be literal

can you tell me why community isn't funny bc the students have been there three tv seasons again?

:lol:

I MOST CERTAINLY CAN!

[Kevin]

Oh and btw..

Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of madness...

[spoon]

Oh and btw..

Laughing at your own jokes is a sign of madness...

Kev, I'm laughing at the past you dummy.

[spoon]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pg-AGUrtsOI/Tsfug_wQaZI/AAAAAAAAAJc/k6TL1NdgzoE/s1600/.jpg

[JimBeam]

Saw on the ticker that blood testing for HGH will be part of the new labor agreement.

Players will get tested starting in spring training.

[spoon]

sounds good

[cougarjake13]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pg-AGUrtsOI/Tsfug_wQaZI/AAAAAAAAAJc/k6TL1NdgzoE/s1600/.jpg

what am i looking at ?


the history of the logo ?

[spoon]

what am i looking at ?


the history of the logo ?

first is the logo circa 77-96, the next one is the new logo, that last one is from some asshole that thinks it's better bc it's more like the first

seriously, he basically just keeps pushing things back toward the older version

[Jayw]

The third one is the best.

It would be perfect if there were two circle son the outside though.

[spoon]

Greg Halman Stabbed to Death by Brother (http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/seattle-mariners-outfielder-greg-halman-stabbed-to-death-112111)

Natalie Holloway blood found at the scene?

[Kevin]

Verlander wins MVP.

I kinda figured he was the choice since the other guys either didn't make the playoffs or in Grandersons case his avg was way too low.

[spoon]

Verlander wins MVP.

I kinda figured he was the choice since the other guys either didn't make the playoffs or in Grandersons case his avg was way too low.

i simply don't agree, as the Cy should be for pitchers, MVP for positional players

[Kevin]

i simply don't agree, as the Cy should be for pitchers, MVP for positional players


I'm not saying I agree. I disagree with it too. I'm just saying what I thought the rational was

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Im on the fence when it comes to Pitchers being MVP, But I can see why Verlander got it. If pitchers shpuld not get it, then players on last place teams you can argue shouldnt get it either

[spoon]

Im on the fence when it comes to Pitchers being MVP, But I can see why Verlander got it. If pitchers shpuld not get it, then players on last place teams you can argue shouldnt get it either

no, not even close

it's mvp, not best player on the best teams vote


let's just make another stupid rule to help those always in the races line up better players right?



you never fail to crack me up with such miserable short-sighted logic

[spoon]

unfortunately, some stupid writers abide by this WF ruling even if playing on great teams inflates almost every fucking possible stat by shear protection, support and not having to carry more of a load

now you want to make it the rule!?

wow

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no, not even close

it's mvp, not best player on the best teams vote


let's just make another stupid rule to help those always in the races line up better players right?



you never fail to crack me up with such miserable short-sighted logic

So should A Rod have won the MVP when he was on the Rangers or when Dawson won it when he was with the Cubs? I think both were on last place teams. The MVP isnt just who puts up the best numbers. How the fuck is that being short sighted?

Verlanders 24 wins were a key factor in Detroit making the postseason. Ellsbury and A Gonzalez had great years but guess what? Boston imploded and didnt make it to October.


Matt Kemp will most likely win NL but it was Ryan Braun who was valuable to his team for going to the postseason.

[Kevin]

So should A Rod have won the MVP when he was on the Rangers or when Dawson won it when he was with the Cubs? I think both were on last place teams. The MVP isnt just who puts up the best numbers. How the fuck is that being short sighted?

Verlanders 24 wins were a key factor in Detroit making the postseason. Ellsbury and A Gonzalez had great years but guess what? Boston imploded and didnt make it to October.


Matt Kemp will most likely win NL but it was Ryan Braun who was valuable to his team for going to the postseason.

First Agon is terrible.

I have yet to see him have a good game.

2 Elsbury kept that team afloat when his entire team was in the shutter

He played in big games for about a month and was the best player by far in the league.

He was my MVP with Bautista 2nd. Granderson 3 because of low avg.

[spoon]

So should A Rod have won the MVP when he was on the Rangers or when Dawson won it when he was with the Cubs? I think both were on last place teams. The MVP isnt just who puts up the best numbers. How the fuck is that being short sighted?

Verlanders 24 wins were a key factor in Detroit making the postseason. Ellsbury and A Gonzalez had great years but guess what? Boston imploded and didnt make it to October.


Matt Kemp will most likely win NL but it was Ryan Braun who was valuable to his team for going to the postseason.


Yes, it is short sighted. To say Kemp isn't as valuable compared to Braun bc Milwaukee made the fucking playoffs is pure stupidity. Both were very valuable to said team and put up great numbers, one just better in my mind based on all the factors out there, not if said team made the playoffs as one of so many people on a team in a team sport.

[A.J.]

First Agon is terrible.

I have yet to see him have a good game.

Yeah, his defense sucked.

[Kevin]

Yeah, his defense sucked.


Isn't he supposed to be GG?

[sailor]

What is this 1997 with talk of avg like its a meaningful stat?

[A.J.]

He just won another one. So did Ells and Pedey.

[realmenhatelife]

So should A Rod have won the MVP when he was on the Rangers or when Dawson won it when he was with the Cubs? I think both were on last place teams. The MVP isnt just who puts up the best numbers. How the fuck is that being short sighted?

Verlanders 24 wins were a key factor in Detroit making the postseason. Ellsbury and A Gonzalez had great years but guess what? Boston imploded and didnt make it to October.


Matt Kemp will most likely win NL but it was Ryan Braun who was valuable to his team for going to the postseason.

By this logic a bench guy who comes in and hits a walk off home run that puts his team in the playoffs should get legit consideration, because with his hit they go to the post season, without it they go home. Getting to the post season isn't or shouldn't be the litmus test as to whether or not a player was valuable.

They're going to build that whole team around Kemp, they need Kemp to reestablish the Dodgers. Braun is great but at the same time if he were on a lower caliber team his numbers drop. In a way it should actually get you more points to have a great year on a shitty team, it takes more hustle.

[spoon]

and arod only won bc of injections that year, strip his mvp and give it to a clean DELGADO on Toronto at the time with almost equal fucking stats! Minus the GG, Arod had nothing more than a locker full of syringes

but yah, if clean how could you say he shouldn't have won with those stats and a GG? At the time, nobody was yet the wiser really and I tipped my hat. The fact that JORGE POSADA got 5 first place votes that year speaks to the idiots that vote via your suck system of analysis. Why? His stats were clearly inferior and he only had 135 hits on the fucking year...Arod almost had 1/2 that in hrs!

HOW do you give it to someone else just bc their team made the playoffs?

bc Texas overall sucked he's immediately out of contention from the MVP no matter how amazing he plays?

stupid

[Kevin]

He just won another one. So did Ells and Pedey.

4 words on GG

Derek Jeter Raffy Palmiero

[Kevin]

What is this 1997 with talk of avg like its a meaningful stat?


262 is terrible in 1997 and 3007

[sailor]

262 is terrible in 1997 and 3007

The stat is meaningless.

[spoon]

By this logic a bench guy who comes in and hits a walk off home run that puts his team in the playoffs should get legit consideration, because with his hit they go to the post season, without it they go home. Getting to the post season isn't or shouldn't be the litmus test as to whether or not a player was valuable.

They're going to build that whole team around Kemp, they need Kemp to reestablish the Dodgers. Braun is great but at the same time if he were on a lower caliber team his numbers drop. In a way it should actually get you more points to have a great year on a shitty team, it takes more hustle.

and you see WAY less good pitches to hit...ask fucking Batista...a guy mind you that played three different positions VERY WELL, as the team continued to bring in new players via their system and trades. He always prefers the OF, RF or CF, and his arm is a weapon out there no doubt. However, they were severely lacking at 3rd so he offered to move to the hot corner and immediately turned the production around from the position on the field and in the batter's box. Not some normal position move, especially mid-year for a guy over 30, but he did it to help the team, and did it very well. Then Lawrie came on board and he was set up to play 3rd. Again, mid-season, Batista made a very selfless move and transitioned back to RF as the star player on the team from the start, unlike stars in the past such as Jeter stating, "I'll do whatever is best for the team and what is needed to helps Toronto win." All this time he somehow continued to help lead and develop the onslaught of kids on this team, and was mentioned many times by the rookie manager as being a HUGE help and leader overall. Anything they asked of him, he did, and quite well. He somehow kept up his ability at the plate amongst a ton of noise, so much that he now has become a much better overall hitter in my mind (avg/ob% and more), while seeing less and less good pitches as opponents pitch around him almost at all times.

Elsbury is a fucking GG and 5 tool player and his year was amazing to me. He's my favorite type player overall, and would have got my first place vote with Batista second even after my long winded rundown on how important he was to Toronto. Mainly bc he did it all and seriously is a weapon on the bases on top of at the plate and in the field. To think teams could have had him for a decent take last year kills me bc I wanted him, not this St. Louis fuckup in CF for Toronto.

[Snoogans]

The stat is meaningless.

lets relax there chief. we may have found the importance of other stats to tell how a guy performs, but to say batting average is completely meaningless is pretty dumb. I dont give a fuck what stats you got, if a guy hits 195, i know he is a piece of garbage. I dont know OBPS to tell me adam dunn fuckin sucks

[spoon]

4 words on GG

Derek Jeter Raffy Palmiero

yah but Arod deserved it and should have played SS in NY when he came too

not so much now bc he's way too bulky/old coming off the roids and transitioning to breaking down at an accelerated rate

jeter was probably clean and at least has his flexibility and is aging normally/trying to stay in shape in more natural ways...by fucking everything that moves and yoga

[spoon]

The stat is meaningless.

sailormetrics!

[spoon]

So should A Rod have won the MVP when he was on the Rangers or when Dawson won it when he was with the Cubs? I think both were on last place teams. The MVP isnt just who puts up the best numbers. How the fuck is that being short sighted?

Verlanders 24 wins were a key factor in Detroit making the postseason. Ellsbury and A Gonzalez had great years but guess what? Boston imploded and didnt make it to October.


Matt Kemp will most likely win NL but it was Ryan Braun who was valuable to his team for going to the postseason.

Bt Ellsbury's OPS of 1.067 in september, his great D at the all important position of CF and his ability on the bases all laugh at your rundown, hell shit on your end the year factor in this AL MVP race in particular.

[brettmojo]

<dude>
If you're going
to give the award to
players on last place teams

then start calling it
most valuable fantasy player
because that's the only way
he has any value
whatsoever

</dude>

[spoon]

<dude>
If you're going
to give the award to
players on last place teams

then start calling it
most valuable fantasy player
because that's the only way
he has any value
whatsoever

</dude>
I assume you are speaking in terms of Ellsbury or Batista for that matter. And this is what makes you post the most idiotic take on MVP one could conjure up at the same time locking in the bulk of their favorite players for awards year in and year out. Nice work Brethomer.

even for you this is a new level of stupid...so at this point it's MVP on only teams that make the playoffs surrounded by guys who help/pick them up and get on base ahead of them and drive them in...got it

it's most valuable player, not on a last place team, or first

it's not most valuable fantasy player either, but why not just Michael Kay the shit out of this thing while you're at it.

[Kevin]

Here is what the MVP is to the dummies.

Its not just most valuable to their team.

Its MOST VALUABLE.

Like 1 what is his value to their teams.

2 If you put Els or Bautista on teams, would they make those teams better.

Answer YES.

On that given year. If you ask any team, which player (FOR THAT YEAR) would you pick first on your team.

I have a hard time thinking any other team would pick any one but Bautista or Els first for this year.

Don't put into effect, future stats or past stats.

Its like if you told someone these are the stats you are going to get from the players.

That what the MVP is.

Its become like the strike zone. everyone has an opinion on what it means, but it should be concrete.

[Snoogans]

I assume you are speaking in terms of Ellsbury or Batista for that matter. And this is what makes you post the most idiotic take on MVP one could conjure up at the same time locking in the bulk of their favorite players for awards year in and year out. Nice work Brethomer.

even for you this is a new level of stupid...so at this point it's MVP on only teams that make the playoffs surrounded by guys who help/pick them up and get on base ahead of them and drive them in...got it

it's most valuable player, not on a last place team, or first

it's not most valuable fantasy player either, but why not just Michael Kay the shit out of this thing while you're at it.

see i see it a little different. I think elsbury shoulda won. Yea the sox blew it, but it wasnt anything cause of him. And if elsbury didnt have the september he had, imagine how many games back the sox woulda finished. He carried that fuckin team the entire 2nd half of the year to even keep them in it. I dont understand why people say that isnt valuable.

[underdog]

i simply don't agree, as the Cy should be for pitchers, MVP for positional players

But what if the pitcher is the most valuable player? If it's only for positional players, it needs another name.

[Kevin]

But what if the pitcher is the most valuable player? If it's only for positional players, it needs another name.

Im sorry, as great as a pitcher could be, he can never impact a club playing 30-35 games a year like a player going 140+

[Snoogans]

Im sorry, as great as a pitcher could be, he can never impact a club playing 30-35 games a year like a player going 140+

i completely disagree. A position player may play more games, but his chance to impact the game is based on alot of variables, like his teammates ability to be on base when he hits, etc, and only comes up about 7 or 8 times a night, adding for defensive plays. When a starter impacts the game, he impacts every pitch for his team when they are in the field. He faces every single batter, everything is on him. He is wayyy more important to an individual game than any position player is, more so enough to make up for the games he wasnt on the hill

[underdog]

Im sorry, as great as a pitcher could be, he can never impact a club playing 30-35 games a year like a player going 140+

I don't particularly disagree, but what about a season like Steve Carlton winning most of his team's games?

Or what about Verlander this year? If he's slightly not as good as he was, his team doesn't make the playoffs. He was extremely valuable to that team.

[underdog]

i completely disagree. A position player may play more games, but his chance to impact the game is based on alot of variables, like his teammates ability to be on base when he hits, etc, and only comes up about 7 or 8 times a night, adding for defensive plays. When a starter impacts the game, he impacts every pitch for his team when they are in the field. He faces every single batter, everything is on him. He is wayyy more important to an individual game than any position player is, more so enough to make up for the games he wasnt on the hill

You raise a very good point. The overall importance of every start of a pitcher is far higher than a normal position player.

[Snoogans]

You raise a very good point. The overall importance of every start of a pitcher is far higher than a normal position player.

lets say a position player, including defense where he is the field (none of this counting when he has to be a cut off man, etc, cause pitchers have to do that shit too) effects 10 ABs per game. A starting pitcher, unless he gets lit up, which usually costs you the W, will effect somewhere between 25-35 ABs per game he pitches. About 3 to 1 ratio, there by making up a huge % of the time they arent on the hill. And it might even be more than that for a pitcher who is actually gettin MVP consideration

[A.J.]

jeter was probably clean and at least has his flexibility and is aging normally/trying to stay in shape in more natural ways...by fucking everything that moves and yoga

Yeah, but so did Magic Johnson and look what happened to him.

[brettmojo]

I assume you are speaking in terms of Ellsbury or Batista for that matter. And this is what makes you post the most idiotic take on MVP one could conjure up at the same time locking in the bulk of their favorite players for awards year in and year out. Nice work Brethomer.

even for you this is a new level of stupid...so at this point it's MVP on only teams that make the playoffs surrounded by guys who help/pick them up and get on base ahead of them and drive them in...got it

it's most valuable player, not on a last place team, or first

it's not most valuable fantasy player either, but why not just Michael Kay the shit out of this thing while you're at it.
It's so easy.

[Kevin]

The extra WC will take effect this upcoming year instead of 2013 as was thought.

[spoon]

But what if the pitcher is the most valuable player? If it's only for positional players, it needs another name.

One writer made a huge point, as good as Verlander was/is, he didn't play a second in 79% of his team's games. If a qb missed 79% of his snaps would he be up for MVP?

I love Verlander, and he surely is the Cy and of huge importance. Yet in the reg season, pitchers are important, but the overall rotation and team trump them. In the playoffs, this changes in a BIG way.

Yet, I agree it's time to just make ACTUAL rules for these votes, bc not putting Verlander in there when he is a candidate right now is just nuts. I'd put him in the middle personally just bc of his overall reg season impact for me vs the others. Another big travesty is when a local guy picks his mid pack guy first just bc and you know it. As in Dallas picking Michael Young first. OOOooooof!

[DanMarino]

One writer made a huge point, as good as Verlander was/is, he didn't play a second in 79% of his team's games. If a qb missed 79% of his snaps would he be up for MVP?

I love Verlander, and he surely is the Cy and of huge importance. Yet in the reg season, pitchers are important, but the overall rotation and team trump them. In the playoffs, this changes in a BIG way.

Yet, I agree it's time to just make ACTUAL rules for these votes, bc not putting Verlander in there when he is a candidate right now is just nuts. I'd put him in the middle personally just bc of his overall reg season impact for me vs the others. Another big travesty is when a local guy picks his mid pack guy first just bc and you know it. As in Dallas picking Michael Young first. OOOooooof!

lets say a position player, including defense where he is the field (none of this counting when he has to be a cut off man, etc, cause pitchers have to do that shit too) effects 10 ABs per game. A starting pitcher, unless he gets lit up, which usually costs you the W, will effect somewhere between 25-35 ABs per game he pitches. About 3 to 1 ratio, there by making up a huge % of the time they arent on the hill. And it might even be more than that for a pitcher who is actually gettin MVP consideration


a pitcher effects as much of the time playing over the course of a season as 1 single position player would. Esp a cy young/mvp caliber starter.

Its bullshit to say they arent as important.

If they didnt matter, then why do great pitchers make as much money as great hitters? Cause they are as important, otherwise they wouldnt get paid that way, they would get paid half like relievers do.

[spoon]

i completely disagree. A position player may play more games, but his chance to impact the game is based on alot of variables, like his teammates ability to be on base when he hits, etc, and only comes up about 7 or 8 times a night, adding for defensive plays. When a starter impacts the game, he impacts every pitch for his team when they are in the field. He faces every single batter, everything is on him. He is wayyy more important to an individual game than any position player is, more so enough to make up for the games he wasnt on the hill

Interesting take, and I do agree on most of it. However, I still think simply not being on the field in 80% of the year's games is a huge issue versus a daily grind on o and d. It's a long time/interesting debate that I think MLB loves.

[spoon]

You raise a very good point. The overall importance of every start of a pitcher is far higher than a normal position player.

this was/is one of the huge reason for sabermetrics

if you go by war, wins above replacement player at position, both Bautista and Verlander come in at 8.5 tops in MLB

just another factor/thought

[Kevin]

Interesting take, and I do agree on most of it. However, I still think simply not being on the field in 80% of the year's games is a huge issue versus a daily grind on o and d. It's a long time/interesting debate that I think MLB loves.

A guy like Verlander does effect other games that he does not pitch either.

Him going so deep in the game gives you a fresher BP for at least the next game because of him

[spoon]

Yeah, but so did Magic Johnson and look what happened to him.

what?

he seems fine/looks great!

[spoon]

a pitcher effects as much of the time playing over the course of a season as 1 single position player would. Esp a cy young/mvp caliber starter.

Its bullshit to say they arent as important.

If they didnt matter, then why do great pitchers make as much money as great hitters? Cause they are as important, otherwise they wouldnt get paid that way, they would get paid half like relievers do.

they get paid bc every team needs an ace to match up and even have a SHOT at the playoffs...there are so many more factors too, but both get paid once they set themselves apart, it then becomes about their agent and if the yankees will overpay for them too

[spoon]

oh and thanks dan, nice to see you back on the board!

can't wait until your record falls this year!

[A.J.]

epo and Israel couldn't be happier right now: Ryan Braun wins the NL MVP.

[QuentinRichardson]

they get paid bc every team needs an ace to match up and even have a SHOT at the playoffs...there are so many more factors too, but both get paid once they set themselves apart, it then becomes about their agent and if the yankees will overpay for them too

but when a closer sets himself apart, he gets paid half those other guys. Mo gets 15 a year and one could argue he is the most important pitcher ever. Starters mean as much as a position guy, they just do

[epo]

epo and Israel couldn't be happier right now: Ryan Braun wins the NL MVP.

The Hebrew Hammer!

[spoon]

The Hebrew Hammer!

he should have been 2nd


Kemp by a mile should have won this thing. GG, SS and led almost every cat w/o Fielder to protect him. Instead he had Eithier, Miles and others like Rivera!

ooof!

let's see what Braun does with no Fielder next year

[spoon]

Yoennis Cespedes has juiced balls? (http://mopupduty.com/was-yoennis-cespedes-playing-with-a-juiced-ball-1235/)

Great article on differences bt Cuba and other countries when cross comparing results/stats.

[Kevin]

he should have been 2nd


Kemp by a mile should have won this thing. GG, SS and led almost every cat w/o Fielder to protect him. Instead he had Eithier, Miles and others like Rivera!

ooof!

let's see what Braun does with no Fielder next year

Don't you know that anyone from Wisconsin is awesome and without fault?

[spoon]

Don't you know that anyone from Wisconsin is awesome and without fault?

he was awesome, just second best

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Hebrew Hammer!

Shawn Green ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heard TX is offering C J Wilson arbitration. He made 7mm for 2011. I wonder how much he gets if the goes that route after having a shitty postseason

[spoon]

nah, he's busy

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Lg30WvEkbas/TfrZom0Ij_I/AAAAAAAAEk0/D3xa3_f2oFM/s640/IMG_9728.JPG

[epo]

he should have been 2nd


Kemp by a mile should have won this thing. GG, SS and led almost every cat w/o Fielder to protect him. Instead he had Eithier, Miles and others like Rivera!

ooof!

let's see what Braun does with no Fielder next year

Remember when Matt Kemp hit that homer this season to win the division?

Oh wait....that was the MVP.

[Kevin]

Remember when Matt Kemp hit that homer this season to win the division?

Oh wait....that was the MVP.

Remember when Braun didn't have any good pitches thrown to him because he had bums on his entire team?

Oh wait... That was the real MVP...

[spoon]

Remember when Braun didn't have any good pitches thrown to him because he had bums on his entire team?

Oh wait... That was the real MVP...

It's an age old debate I realize, but at least Kev isn't biased in his argument now. I for one can't look away the unreal year both had, just one was better than the other and it's not that guy's fault he had no protection in the lineup and the rest of the team isn't that solid.

If Kemp was on Mil, he would have had that division wrapped up much faster and that homer wouldn't have been needed with such suspense.

[spoon]

if you want to argue the "valuable" part of the award, then your main stat is WAR tied to others

Kemp is 2.3 wins above replacement OVER EVEN BRAUN

[spoon]

Lozano, Arod and whores oh my! (http://deadspin.com/5861982/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-superagent-king-of-sleaze-mountain)

What a pos, but what else would you expect from a close friend of Arod?

[Kevin]

It's an age old debate I realize, but at least Kev isn't biased in his argument now. I for one can't look away the unreal year both had, just one was better than the other and it's not that guy's fault he had no protection in the lineup and the rest of the team isn't that solid.

If Kemp was on Mil, he would have had that division wrapped up much faster and that homer wouldn't have been needed with such suspense.

I just KNOW that if Kemp was in Milwaukee and they were shitty and Braun won in LA, Epo the monster homer would be bitching up a storm right now..

[Kevin]

As you stated, Braun is a fantastic player and had a great year.

But if you rationally looked at all facts and circumstances, you would know that Kemp is the more valuable player.

[Kevin]

Mandatory All Star attendance (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/mlb-all-star-game-attendance-mandatory-shot-yankees-derek-jeter-article-1.981605)


This should be called the Derek Jeter rule.

[Snacks]

Lozano, Arod and whores oh my! (http://deadspin.com/5861982/dan-lozano-albert-pujolss-superagent-king-of-sleaze-mountain)

What a pos, but what else would you expect from a close friend of Arod?

why bring Arods name into this? Seems Pujols is one of his players too isnt he one of the "good (god) guys in baseball"

You're like the media who tries to throw Arods name in to something to make him look worse or to sensationalize a story for no reason!

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why bring Arods name into this? Seems Pujols is one of his players too isnt he one of the "good (god) guys in baseball"

You're like the media who tries to throw Arods name in to something to make him look worse or to sensationalize a story for no reason!

yah read the fucking story first you lazy shit

[Snacks]

yah read the fucking story first you lazy shit

i read the entire, useless, written for no reason story and like I said other players were mentioned as his players and then at the very bottom one of the last paragraphs it says the Arod may or may not be one of his many players/partners which is why he left with him to help recruit other younger players. It doesnt say Arod does anything wrong or that he was involved in any of the sex shit and it actually says that none of the players ever know that these women are hookers because no transactions are ever done in their presence! Like I said there was no reason to bring Arods name in to this other then to sensationalize and try to make Arod sound like he is doing something wrong or is a bad guy when the article itself says nothing negative about Arod. It actually says more bad shit about Piazza and nameless players rather then Arod and has no proof of anything but what some haters say he did. It also says that many agents do these things and its no shock but then says hes the best and worst at it.

Like i said this is a nothing story written for no reason other then to allow others to find a reason to be outraged even though it isnt shocking at all.

[spoon]

So let's review shall we?

I did NOT bring Arod's name into it, he's all over the article and a main supporter of a guy universally known to be garbage, even in the landfill world of agents! Nice work/impressive. He's not just Arod's agent, Alex actually helps line up clients and we all know how those setups probably go (as you read all over this article), not to mention bankrolled the guy so yah, no conflict of interest there AT ALL RIGHT?! Why would I even touch on this part of the article!? WHY?!?!?!

Next, you ask me why I don't bring up Albert "one of the good (god) guys in baseball"? Well, I did link the article, am I to footnote every player, agent and insider name mentioned in a simple post? More importantly, it's not MY focus bc the crux of the article is about Albert being just that, A GOOD GUY who if very religious, being taken, faked out by this piece of shit. Is Albert naive and looking like a mark, you bet. Is he a pos like Arod and this agent? Hardly.

The Piazza shit is hilarious too, but he's not bankrolling this guy and was also lied to. See the dif? You don't have to lie to a guy you clearly see eye to eye with like Alex.

[Snacks]

So let's review shall we?

I did NOT bring Arod's name into it, he's all over the article and a main supporter of a guy universally known to be garbage, even in the landfill world of agents! Nice work/impressive. He's not just Arod's agent, Alex actually helps line up clients and we all know how those setups probably go (as you read all over this article), not to mention bankrolled the guy so yah, no conflict of interest there AT ALL RIGHT?! Why would I even touch on this part of the article!? WHY?!?!?!

Next, you ask me why I don't bring up Albert "one of the good (god) guys in baseball"? Well, I did link the article, am I to footnote every player, agent and insider name mentioned in a simple post? More importantly, it's not MY focus bc the crux of the article is about Albert being just that, A GOOD GUY who if very religious, being taken, faked out by this piece of shit. Is Albert naive and looking like a mark, you bet. Is he a pos like Arod and this agent? Hardly.

The Piazza shit is hilarious too, but he's not bankrolling this guy and was also lied to. See the dif? You don't have to lie to a guy you clearly see eye to eye with like Alex.

Once again, hes not all over the article. Piazza's and Pulijos name are mentioned just as much. It also doesnt mention he is a supporter of his or he supports his lifestyle or how he does business. You just hate Arod and like many in the media need to throw his name or attach his name to anything and everything you can just to sensationalize or to try ot make Arod out to be something he isnt!

Do you know for a fact that he bankrolled the guy? What about the others, did Pujols? The article I read made it sound like its all speculation that some current and former players helped fiance this but there is no proof. That is coming from people who are other agents and hate the guy and lets be honest are jealous. Is it a conflict of interest yes and no. Many former players get into this field after their playing days. Why do I care if they invest in an agency and use their name to get players to sign with them now or later? Once again this is all speculation because there isnt 1 shed of proof to anything in the article other then pics he took of himself eating pussy!

So AROD is a pos and Pujols is an innocent mark who is being taken advantage of? Yeah you're not being biased! Pujols has been with this guy since what 2003 -2004. He didnt have to leave with him in 2010. Pujols is that stupid that he doesnt hear anything this guys does? You do know many and I mean many people hide behind their religion to make themselves seem better then they are? Many people have charties and do good things in the public eye but arent as good as you think they are. Im not saying Puljos isnt a good I think he is but your hate for Arod because he did juice is so over the top ridiculous it makes me laugh every time you try to drag his name in the mud.

This story was not more about Arod then it was about Piazza or Pujols. The difference is you THINK Arod is a willing part of this and wasnt lied to but everyone else is being lied to and wouldnt be involved if they knew the truth. I disagree! Its funny when Piazza does something not on the up and up its funny but Arod = pos and does all wrong no good!

On a side note I love Piazza and love how stupid fans are. Remember all the rumors about Piazza being gay? Yeah he was just too busy fucking all the hot ass in LA and NY thats why he wasnt married while playing. He was just a good looking single Italian/American Athlete who kept his personal life personal.

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Once again, hes not all over the article. Piazza's and Pulijos name are mentioned just as much. It also doesnt mention he is a supporter of his or he supports his lifestyle or how he does business. You just hate Arod and like many in the media need to throw his name or attach his name to anything and everything you can just to sensationalize or to try ot make Arod out to be something he isnt!

Do you know for a fact that he bankrolled the guy? What about the others, did Pujols? The article I read made it sound like its all speculation that some current and former players helped fiance this but there is no proof. That is coming from people who are other agents and hate the guy and lets be honest are jealous. Is it a conflict of interest yes and no. Many former players get into this field after their playing days. Why do I care if they invest in an agency and use their name to get players to sign with them now or later? Once again this is all speculation because there isnt 1 shed of proof to anything in the article other then pics he took of himself eating pussy!

So AROD is a pos and Pujols is an innocent mark who is being taken advantage of? Yeah you're not being biased! Pujols has been with this guy since what 2003 -2004. He didnt have to leave with him in 2010. Pujols is that stupid that he doesnt hear anything this guys does? You do know many and I mean many people hide behind their religion to make themselves seem better then they are? Many people have charties and do good things in the public eye but arent as good as you think they are. Im not saying Puljos isnt a good I think he is but your hate for Arod because he did juice is so over the top ridiculous it makes me laugh every time you try to drag his name in the mud.

This story was not more about Arod then it was about Piazza or Pujols. The difference is you THINK Arod is a willing part of this and wasnt lied to but everyone else is being lied to and wouldnt be involved if they knew the truth. I disagree! Its funny when Piazza does something not on the up and up but Arod = pos and does all wrong no good!

On a side note I love Piazza and love how stupid fans are. Remember all the rumors about Piazza being gay? Yeah he was just too busy fucking all the hot ass in LA and NY thats why he wasnt married while playing. He was just a good looking single Italian/American Athlete who kept his personal life personal.

snacks, this is when you lose all credibility to me bc you have to be high or drunk right now

i don't give two fucks about any of the players, but it's CLEAR there is a difference bt ARod and Albert to anyone with fucking eyes or any ability to pay attention overall or read this article. Are you his pr manager, bc your rundown is so biased, not mine. I read ANOTHER article about an asshole and Arod had ties to him so I put the link up and everyone is entitled to read it and make their own call. You disagree bc other names are mentioned, so I explained the dif bt HOW said names where mentioned but you dismiss it once again. Not once did I mention juice either so stop with the tenbat techniques of idiotic debate 101. For fuck's sake, you love Arod I get it, but he's still a dirtbag.

According to sources who have worked with Lozano's players, the transactions are made through a Merrill Lynch money manager in Coral Gables, Fla., so as to hide the deals from the MLBPA. One rival agent went so far as to confirm the dealings with his own contact at Merrill Lynch. According to that contact, Alex Rodriguez is one of Lozano's larger investors.

[Snoogans]

i didnt read all that shit, cause, its fuckin long. But the part i did see i will add

Snacks, im sorry but, ARod is a VERY important part of that story. ARod funded the guy and fuckin is basically being used to recruit guys, taking them partying and being a scum bag for this scumbag. Its pretty important

[Snacks]

I read it and like I said it has not 1 shed of proof. It uses the fact that he is Arods agent even though Arod is signed to his contract til 2017 and his advertising agent is different. So because of that they feel that is proof that he is backing Dan. Even if thats true I dont give 2 shits and if the article is true then it also says there are other players who have backed him. My question was how do you not know that Pujols or Piazza or any of the other players mentioned havent back him? You dont but because you hate Arod you want to make him seem like a pos of shit. At the end of the say my biggest problem with your post was there was no reason to add Arod name to your link except your hate of the man!

Not drunk but see things much differently. Arods a bad guy because he took juice and cheated on his wife? There are lots of bad guys out there then because I would say many many people have taken illegal drugs in their life and many many have cheated on their spouses.

I guess what it really comes down to I dont give a shit what any of them do because Im not naive enough to know that they do exactly what others do and would do in their situations. But because they are athletes or famous we must hold them to a higher standard. Sorry they are still humans and money and fame shouldnt change the fact that they fuck up some times like we all do. I feel we all live in glass houses and too many people love to throw stones that shouldnt!

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[Snacks]

i didnt read all that shit, cause, its fuckin long. But the part i did see i will add

Snacks, im sorry but, ARod is a VERY important part of that story. ARod funded the guy and fuckin is basically being used to recruit guys, taking them partying and being a scum bag for this scumbag. Its pretty important

I dont so why an athlete being a recruiter for his agent is wrong? Do you not think players rep'd by Boris dont recruit for him? Of course they do, does Arod have a stake in it? Maybe and even if he does good for him make all the money you can. Dont you think players call other players or hang out with other players and sign with the same agent for these reasons? It becomes their family their fraternity! Do you not think Pujols might be a partner? Is there at least a chance? From the article I read it said players not Arod only is his financial supporter!

Once again why does anyone care? If Arod retired today would you care if he became an agent? Is it illegal for a player to loan his agent money? Is it illegal to help his agent get more upcoming young clients? The only thing that sounds illegal is getting hookers which we all agree probably happens with every agency in every sport.

[Snacks]

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OK happy for you!

[Snoogans]

I read it and like I said it has not 1 shed of proof. It uses the fact that he is Arods agent even though Arod is signed to his contract til 2017 and his advertising agent is different. So because of that they feel that is proof that he is backing Dan. Even if thats true I dont give 2 shits and if the article is true then it also says there are other players who have backed him. My question was how do you not know that Pujols or Piazza or any of the other players mentioned havent back him? You dont but because you hate Arod you want to make him seem like a pos of shit. At the end of the say my biggest problem with your post was there was no reason to add Arod name to your link except your hate of the man!

Not drunk but see things much differently. Arods a bad guy because he took juice and cheated on his wife? There are lots of bad guys out there then because I would say many many people have taken illegal drugs in their life and many many have cheated on their spouses.

I guess what it really comes down to I dont give a shit what any of them do because Im not naive enough to know that they do exactly what others do and would do in their situations. But because they are athletes or famous we must hold them to a higher standard. Sorry they are still humans and money and fame shouldnt change the fact that they fuck up some times like we all do. I feel we all live in glass houses and too many people love to throw stones that shouldnt!

no he is a bad guy cause he is a lying fuckin dirtbag. Its one thing to do some shit. Its a whole nothing thing to try to portray yourself as one thing and then be a complete dirtbag in actuallity.

Thats why i love charlie sheen. there is no fuckin BS there. He accepts what he is. Most of these guys dont try to act like they are these great people. The ones who do are the ones everyone hates.

This is jsut another example of arod coming off like a seedy douche


and for the record, i really still dont care. I dont hate arod. I actually love him and the fact the yankees are stuck paying that awesome contract.

[Snoogans]

I dont so why an athlete being a recruiter for his agent is wrong? Do you not think players rep'd by Boris dont recruit for him? Of course they do, does Arod have a stake in it? Maybe and even if he does good for him make all the money you can. Dont you think players call other players or hang out with other players and sign with the same agent for these reasons? It becomes their family their fraternity! Do you not think Pujols might be a partner? Is there at least a chance? From the article I read it said players not Arod only is his financial supporter!

Once again why does anyone care? If Arod retired today would you care if he became an agent? Is it illegal for a player to loan his agent money? Is it illegal to help his agent get more upcoming young clients? The only thing that sounds illegal is getting hookers which we all agree probably happens with every agency in every sport.

it wasnt that he was a recruiter. Its that he is a recruiter who gets these bitches hookers to make them sign up for a company that he is the main investor of, but he never discloses that to the players. Its just a douchey, seedy fuckin situation.

[spoon]

an article came out about an asshole bc people around him have had enough and want him exposed

so much that they sent out proof, including docs that show Arod his major funder which DOES include other players (never said it didn't in your myopic haze to defend an asshole). hence I post a link to said article and include some major factors/players in said article in a goofy link tag line for a little headline fun. you somehow take this as an affront to his use of steroids (your odd original personal crusade) and now bc he cheated on his wife. I don't care in the least outside of the fact those DO MAKE YOU AN ASS/POS so thanks for adding to my point. I don't care if he's a role model or any nonsense based on that shit, in fact I never give two fucks about that or shit like MLB players chewing, but yah sure, tie that in too randomly. you're so off on this it's pretty amazing. Arod's a bonafide selfish dick, so I touched on it here with a recent article showing it once more. try not to have a stroke over it please, but it's true

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it wasnt that he was a recruiter. Its that he is a recruiter who gets these bitches hookers to make them sign up for a company that he is the main investor of, but he never discloses that to the players. Its just a douchey, seedy fuckin situation.

and it's hidden from the MLBPA for a reason, it's not allowed in any way


once again he's above the game, and yes, a pos

[spoon]

back to the main undertone of the article, what a disgusting and completely unregulated business sports agencies are!? How is it there isn't more control here in any way? And How is a college drop out able to contract and be the legal force behind multi-million dollar contracts? Why aren't legal degrees needed in said business, or at least some form of accounting or SOMETHING? These people literally have nothing to lose being dirty fucking scumbags... just like HAyseedROD.

[Kevin]

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[Snacks]

no he is a bad guy cause he is a lying fuckin dirtbag. Its one thing to do some shit. Its a whole nothing thing to try to portray yourself as one thing and then be a complete dirtbag in actuallity.

Thats why i love charlie sheen. there is no fuckin BS there. He accepts what he is. Most of these guys dont try to act like they are these great people. The ones who do are the ones everyone hates.

This is jsut another example of arod coming off like a seedy douche


and for the record, i really still dont care. I dont hate arod. I actually love him and the fact the yankees are stuck paying that awesome contract.

I agree I wish more people would stop trying to portray something they arent. Thats why I do like Sheen as well. He tells you what he likes and makes no apologies. I have always liked Arod, is he fake of course he is so is every other athlete. Do you not think Jeter is fake? I just think people look too hard into these celebs life and then feel let down when they arent perfect. Yet many of these same people who then bitch about these less then perfect athletes arent any better humans but try to use their mistakes as a reason to feel better about themselves!

[Snoogans]

I agree I wish more people would stop trying to portray something they arent. Thats why I do like Sheen as well. He tells you what he likes and makes no apologies. I have always liked Arod, is he fake of course he is so is every other athlete. Do you not think Jeter is fake? I just think people look too hard into these celebs life and then feel let down when they arent perfect. Yet many of these same people who then bitch about these less then perfect athletes arent any better humans but try to use their mistakes as a reason to feel better about themselves!

i agree with you. And yea, most people are probably fake. But most of those fake athletes havent been caught being a lying scumbag douche 7000 times like arod.

He just happens to be the one who gets caught all the time. Bad luck, i guess

[Snacks]

it wasnt that he was a recruiter. Its that he is a recruiter who gets these bitches hookers to make them sign up for a company that he is the main investor of, but he never discloses that to the players. Its just a douchey, seedy fuckin situation.

I agree but dont you think that happens with every agency? It would surprise me at all. Reading that article was no shock to me. I wouldnt be any more surprised if you changed the names with other players and agents and would think the same thing and actually think you could write that article for many others.

[Snoogans]

I agree but dont you think that happens with every agency? It would surprise me at all. Reading that article was no shock to me. I wouldnt be any more surprised if you changed the names with other players and agents and would think the same thing and actually think you could write that article for many others.

im pretty sure, since like spoon said, its HIGHLY against MLB rules, that probably it doesnt really happen much. There is possible criminal charges for shit like that, too.

[Snacks]

back to the main undertone of the article, what a disgusting and completely unregulated business sports agencies are!? How is it there isn't more control here in any way? And How is a college drop out able to contract and be the legal force behind multi-million dollar contracts? Why aren't legal degrees needed in said business, or at least some form of accounting or SOMETHING? These people literally have nothing to lose being dirty fucking scumbags... just like HAyseedROD.

why should you need a degree? people have a right who they choose who represents them. If they want to have a family member do so why shouldnt they be allowed? If that family member does a good job and others want to sign with him should they not be allowed to do so because of a piece of paper? Some of the biggest successes in the world do not have a college degree. Some people dont want to go to college!

[Snacks]

im pretty sure, since like spoon said, its HIGHLY against MLB rules, that probably it doesnt really happen much. There is possible criminal charges for shit like that, too.

of course getting hookers for players is illegal and like I said i still wouldnt be surprised if every agency has agents that do this.

[Snoogans]

of course getting hookers for players is illegal and like I said i still wouldnt be surprised if every agency has agents that do this.

i meant the part about being an investor and not disclosing it. For certain transactions, that would be highly illegal

[Snacks]

i meant the part about being an investor and not disclosing it. For certain transactions, that would be highly illegal

oh ok that i cant answer and if it is illegal fine but like I said before you have to believe they have that figured out. like its a loan not an investment. they did mention that once pujols contract is signed he will have plenty of money to pay back everyone so maybe there isnt any proof of them being investors just loans?! Dont know and really dont care because I doubt any of that will ever mean anything or come to anything other then another garbage article by a garbage website.

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so a guy can be the biggest asshole as long as he tells you he is, got it

that's insane, all it does is make him an honest asshole


and arod gets caught bc he's doing it much more than the avg asshole, just as we now see with guys like Favre..it's simple math


as for the college point snacks, settle down AGAIN, this isn't some crusade about going to school, it's about being credentialed and cleaning up a disgusting industry

you're a regulations on wall street guy, but yet dirty money and use of it here is fine right? As you stated, most agents are completely dirty and truly disgusting human being, so you don't think having pretty much nothing to lose, such as a license tied to some form of expertise to protect yourself and clients is in order? In fact, this is one of the only industries still operating in some form of wild wild west setup. The very system or lack there in helps cause said void in ethics and dirty money. It ties into all major sports and kids at schools across this country and many others. So it goes WAY beyond the impact mentioned here in this article.

[Snoogans]

oh ok that i cant answer and if it is illegal fine but like I said before you have to believe they have that figured out. like its a loan not an investment. they did mention that once pujols contract is signed he will have plenty of money to pay back everyone so maybe there isnt any proof of them being investors just loans?! Dont know and really dont care because I doubt any of that will ever mean anything or come to anything other then another garbage article by a garbage website.

you arent allowed to get loans from your clients. Its a conflict of interest. its against MLBPA rules and in certain types of situations, it could also be very much against hte law. I dont know if those situations occured, but just him doing it is against MLB

[Snacks]

so a guy can be the biggest asshole as long as he tells you he is, got it

that's insane, all it does is make him an honest asshole


and arod gets caught bc he's doing it much more than the avg asshole, just as we now see with guys like Favre..it's simple math


as for the college point snacks, settle down AGAIN, this isn't some crusade about going to school, it's about being credentialed and cleaning up a disgusting industry

you're a regulations on wall street guy, but yet dirty money and use of it here is fine right? As you stated, most agents are completely dirty and truly disgusting human being, so you don't think having pretty much nothing to lose, such as a license tied to some form of expertise to protect yourself and clients is in order? In fact, this is one of the only industries still operating in some form of wild wild west setup. The very system or lack there in helps cause said void in ethics and dirty money. It ties into all major sports and kids at schools across this country and many others. So it goes WAY beyond the impact mentioned here in this article.

you dont need a college degree to work on wall st. Even to be a broker all you need is to pass your serious 7. I do agree that there should be some regulation but to force college degrees or law degrees is not a good idea.

As for 1 guy being more of an asshole then others, whatever you think is your opinion. I think many of them are equal assholes and it all depends on the media. Some are made out to be bigger assholes then others based on their relationship with the media and how they try to cover it up. I think there are a lot more fake people out there and ones that know how to play the media. Look at Petite. He cheated on his wife and did juice but because he is liked by the media, because he came out and made it seem like he was sorry all while using religion as his front he never got treated that badly. My point being the media can make things better or worse depending if they like you.

[Snoogans]

you dont need a college degree to work on wall st. Even to be a broker all you need is to pass your serious 7. I do agree that there should be some regulation but to force college degrees or law degrees is not a good idea.

As for 1 guy being more of an asshole then others, whatever you think is your opinion. I think many of them are equal assholes and it all depends on the media. Some are made out to be bigger assholes then others based on their relationship with the media and how they try to cover it up. I think there are a lot more fake people out there and ones that know how to play the media. Look at Petite. He cheated on his wife and did juice but because he is liked by the media, because he came out and made it seem like he was sorry all while using religion as his front he never got treated that badly. My point being the media can make things better or worse depending if they like you.

isnt it a Series 7?

[Snacks]

you arent allowed to get loans from your clients. Its a conflict of interest. its against MLBPA rules and in certain types of situations, it could also be very much against hte law. I dont know if those situations occured, but just him doing it is against MLB

do you know this for fact or your guess? I cant see how you can say an agent cant get a loan from him client? why would that even be illegal? now could mlb make that a rule maybe? I dont know thats why im asking but we all know agents loan money all the time to clients before their big pay day thats how these players get their cars, jewelry and clothes before draft day.

[Snacks]

isnt it a Series 7?

yes lol i wrote serious by accident. fuck you douche lol

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you dont need a college degree to work on wall st. Even to be a broker all you need is to pass your serious 7. I do agree that there should be some regulation but to force college degrees or law degrees is not a good idea.

As for 1 guy being more of an asshole then others, whatever you think is your opinion. I think many of them are equal assholes and it all depends on the media. Some are made out to be bigger assholes then others based on their relationship with the media and how they try to cover it up. I think there are a lot more fake people out there and ones that know how to play the media. Look at Petite. He cheated on his wife and did juice but because he is liked by the media, because he came out and made it seem like he was sorry all while using religion as his front he never got treated that badly. My point being the media can make things better or worse depending if they like you.

yes and the series 7(not serious) is no fucking joke of a test and just the first step in order to registrer with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) and take take many other principal exams from there to be certified in other areas. and not once did I say you had to have a degree to work on wall street, not once, but not a bad idea.

[Snoogans]

do you know this for fact or your guess? I cant see how you can say an agent cant get a loan from him client? why would that even be illegal? now could mlb make that a rule maybe? I dont know thats why im asking but we all know agents loan money all the time to clients before their big pay day thats how these players get their cars, jewelry and clothes before draft day.

i know for a fact its a conflict of interest and against the rules of MLB. I know that certain transactions, if he does not disclose he invested in the company or gave a loan to the company (same thing legally), than he violates legal regulations. I dont know if he partook in those type of transactions, but i know there would be some he could not.

[spoon]

yes lol i wrote serious by accident. fuck you douche lol

douche?! are you serious!? :innocent:

[Snoogans]

im gonna get my serious 63 too so i can do more than just stocks

[spoon]

dude, I don't think you're taking this series

[Snoogans]

dude, I don't think you're taking this series

i dont know why but im laughing at this like an idiot

[Kevin]

That was a series world serious we had this year.

[Snacks]

yes and the series 7(not serious) is no fucking joke of a test and just the first step in order to registrer with the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) and take take many other principal exams from there to be certified in other areas. and not once did I say you had to have a degree to work on wall street, not once, but not a bad idea.

its not easy, trust me i know i took the 7 and it sucked. it was the hardest test ever.

my point was you dont need a degree to work on wall st even though i want regulation i dont want them to change who or cant work there. same goes for agents. i was making the comparison.

[spoon]

That was a series world serious we had this year.

too much, ur trying too hard

[Snacks]

im gonna get my serious 63 too so i can do more than just stocks

all jokes aside I think the 63 was the next test I was supposed to take after the 7 but the 7 has to be first? Its close to 20 years since I worked on Wall st so I could be wrong.

[spoon]

its not easy, trust me i know i took the 7 and it sucked. it was the hardest test ever.

my point was you dont need a degree to work on wall st even though i want regulation i dont want them to change who or cant work there. same goes for agents. i was making the comparison.

might help clean some shit up

[Snacks]

might help clean some shit up

true but dont you think its the harvard and yale educated fuckers that are the ones who truly fuck shit up and screw over everyone? I dont think its Johnny from Brooklyn who is a broker who is the problem, do you?

[Snoogans]

all jokes aside I think the 63 was the next test I was supposed to take after the 7 but the 7 has to be first? Its close to 20 years since I worked on Wall st so I could be wrong.

i think the 7 is first, yea

[spoon]

true but dont you think its the harvard and yale educated fuckers that are the ones who truly fuck shit up and screw over everyone? I dont think its Johnny from Brooklyn who is a broker who is the problem, do you?

Oh trust me, I know quite a few on both rungs that are completely scum...check that...arod of the earth, but those we are speaking of were the worst. Some of the shit they brag about makes me fucking sick, so much I can't even be around them. They are not my friends, just people around here and there and they are on both rungs of this financial system. Again, nothing to lose.

[Kevin]

i think the 7 is first, yea

It doesn't have to be in order, but 63 is mandatory no matter what licensee you have 6 7 whatever.

Everyone has to have a 63 in order to work in investing

[Snacks]

Oh trust me, I know quite a few on both rungs that are completely scum...check that...arod of the earth, but those we are speaking of were the worst. Some of the shit they brag about makes me fucking sick, so much I can't even be around them. They are not my friends, just people around here and there and they are on both rungs of this financial system. Again, nothing to lose.

really? you just cant help yourself can you?:devil2:

[spoon]

nope, never

[Snoogans]

really? you just cant help yourself can you?:devil2:

we can call them Dan Marinos of the earth if that works better for you

[spoon]

we can call them Dan Marinos of the earth if that works better for you

nah, even Arod would hand the ball off to the second baseman once in a while

http://brentmayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/arod-cigar.jpg

[Snoogans]

nah, even Arod would hand the ball off to the second baseman once in a while

http://brentmayne.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/arod-cigar.jpg

wow.


fuckin marino, what a failure

[spoon]

drunken anger is

5

4

3

2

1

:devil2:

[spoon]

http://images.filmmagic.com/images/tnm/11411180.jpg?Width=170&Height=124

Enjoy some whack snacks Snacks!

[Snoogans]

http://images.filmmagic.com/images/tnm/11411180.jpg?Width=170&Height=124

Enjoy some whack snacks Snacks!

is that arod

[spoon]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports-sentinel-sports-now/files/2011/10/PX00030_91.jpg

[spoon]

is that arod

nope, grant hill

:laugh:

[spoon]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports-sentinel-sports-now/files/2011/10/PX00030_91.jpg



Put those two together and you get an unstoppable FORCE!



http://www2.macleans.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/dan-fouts-chargers-signed-1980-topps-super-7-jsa_29b1cb4fd3b705f86a7502244459812e.jpg

[A.J.]

Yanks give Freddy Garcia a 1-year deal. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7276708/sources-freddy-garcia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-deal)

[Kevin]

Yanks give Freddy Garcia a 1-year deal. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7276708/sources-freddy-garcia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-deal)

phew, if we lost him we would be seriesly screwed!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

phew, if we lost him we would be seriesly screwed!

Now all the Yanks need to do is sign Colon again

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cubbies interested in Pujols



http://espn.go.com/chicago/conversations/_/id/7294424/source-chicago-cubs-call-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-reps-express-interest

[A.J.]

Queers.

[cougarjake13]

Cubbies interested in Pujols



http://espn.go.com/chicago/conversations/_/id/7294424/source-chicago-cubs-call-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-reps-express-interest



of course they do

[cougarjake13]

Now all the Yanks need to do is sign Colon again

soon

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Suspenders with uniforms?



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7296323/source-larry-king-joins-group-buy-los-angeles-dodgers

[cougarjake13]

Suspenders with uniforms?



http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7296323/source-larry-king-joins-group-buy-los-angeles-dodgers



thatd be a cool promotion

[WRESTLINGFAN]

thatd be a cool promotion

I was thinking mass divorces night at Dodger Stadium

[Snoogans]

i read this today on deadspin and found it funny in regard to that whole ARod involvement with the scummy agent. Apparently, Arod was very involved, so much so the yankees found out and told him to shut the fuck up:

According to a source close to the Yankees, Alex Rodriguez was told by the team to "keep [his] head down" amid concerns he was talking too openly about his financial involvement with Lozano's agency.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Heath Bell to Miami

[cougarjake13]

Heath Bell to Miami

looks like theyre reloading for title 3

[cougarjake13]

prepare for los padres




http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7307007/omar-minaya-join-san-diego-padres-organization