~ 2012 MLB Off-Season Thread ~

[WRESTLINGFAN]

prepare for los padres




http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7307007/omar-minaya-join-san-diego-padres-organization

Is that spanish for mediocre ?

[spoon]

Is that spanish for mediocre ?

they wish!

[cougarjake13]

Is that spanish for mediocre ?

Almost mediocre

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Latest person showing interest to buy the Dodgers is Magic Johnson. I keep hearing Mark Cubans name mentioned too

[cougarjake13]

I'd rather have Cuban but the team than magic

[hanso]

Heath Bell to Miami

Hope this is just the welcome mat for other big ballers.

[spoon]

he's going to slide into the mound every save opp so he'll need a slip and slide in that contract

[spoon]

http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2011/12/large.jpg
steroids huh, HA!

[spoon]

Suck it bobby v!

Here comes the new 3rd place!

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

Hope this is just the welcome mat for other big ballers.

Buehrle's name has been mentioned to strenghten the rotation. I think Reyes will eventually sign with the Fish also.

[cougarjake13]

My fear is Reyes will go there and never get injured
Ever again and be the player he's shown flashes
Of being

[hanso]

Buehrle's name has been mentioned to strenghten the rotation. I think Reyes will eventually sign with the Fish also.

That would be nice as J Johnson tends to get hurt alot. But a no-trade clause is holding up the works.CJ Wilson was in for a look maybe he will be ok w/o one.

Or that James Shields talk could heat up again.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Winter meetings start tomorrow. Let the signings begin

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That would be nice as J Johnson tends to get hurt alot. But a no-trade clause is holding up the works.CJ Wilson was in for a look maybe he will be ok w/o one.

Or that James Shields talk could heat up again.

The Nats need a lefty, I keep hearing they are interested in Wilson

[cougarjake13]

The mutts are destined for last place

[A.J.]

Manny being.....FARVE?

Sources: Manny Ramirez files for return (http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7315660/sources-manny-ramirez-files-reinstatement-mlb-retirement-list)

[cougarjake13]

Doesn't he have to serve a 100 game suspension?

[spoon]

Doesn't he have to serve a 100 game suspension?

yep

[cougarjake13]

Why even come back then if if he was gonna do that he just shoulda served it last yr

[spoon]

Why even come back then if if he was gonna do that he just shoulda served it last yr

bills, ego?

[OGC]

Doesn't he have to serve a 100 game suspension?

yep

they have reduced the suspension to 50 games. try to follow this logic.

"Second-time offenders get double the 50-game penalty, but the view of baseball officials is that if Ramirez had simply stayed in baseball last April and served his 100-game suspension, then he would've already done his time. In the end -- after Ramirez serves a 50-game suspension, in the event he signs with another team -- he will have wound up serving far more than the 100 games he would've faced."

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Pedro to announce retirement.

[spoon]

they have reduced the suspension to 50 games. try to follow this logic.

"Second-time offenders get double the 50-game penalty, but the view of baseball officials is that if Ramirez had simply stayed in baseball last April and served his 100-game suspension, then he would've already done his time. In the end -- after Ramirez serves a 50-game suspension, in the event he signs with another team -- he will have wound up serving far more than the 100 games he would've faced."

wtf

how stupid, he didn't

100 game should b intact

[ihaveabadmonkey]

Reyes to the Marlins 6 years 106 million

[razorboy]

Reyes to the Marlins 6 years 106 million

Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez in the same clubhouse. This should end well.

[Snoogans]

Jose Reyes and Hanley Ramirez in the same clubhouse. This should end well.

it wont. i bet you hanley is dealt by july at the latest. he already told them he doesnt wanna go to 3rd

[spoon]

it wont. i bet you hanley is dealt by july at the latest. he already told them he doesnt wanna go to 3rd

wait, who do you think will play ss?!

not fucking reyes!

come on man, i hear he injured his hammie on the ramp getting into the plane

[Snoogans]

wait, who do you think will play ss?!

not fucking reyes!

come on man, i hear he injured his hammie on the ramp getting into the plane

from the things i read, the marlins planned to move hanley to 3rd.

I dont get it either, esp since reyes has a fuckin cannon, but thats what they said

[Snoogans]

apparently the mets fans with Wiki screen names are happy:

Alderson was hired by the New York Mets after the 2010 baseball season to replace Omar Minaya as general manager. He was officially introduced as the general manager of the team on October 29, 2010, signing a four year deal with a club option for 2015.[8] Alderson is a cheap bum who has only won games during a time in which his team was full of steroid users.
Alderson also serves as chairman of Major League Baseball's Playing Rules Committee.

[spoon]

come on, the SD never had any roid users!? :lol:


oh and didn't he clean up the DR for Bud after helping dope the west coast?

[Snoogans]

come on, the SD never had any roid users!? :lol:


oh and didn't he clean up the DR for Bud after helping dope the west coast?

yea the dominican is really "clean" now. They prob do the same shit htey always did

[epo]

I cant wait for the Mets to sign K-Rod.

[Kevin]

I cant wait for the Mets to sign K-Rod.

And give you two picks.

[TripleSkeet]

it wont. i bet you hanley is dealt by july at the latest. he already told them he doesnt wanna go to 3rd

Just read an article on ESPN that said Hanley already agreed to move to third, and that now the Marlins plan on going after Pujols.

[Kevin]

Just read an article on ESPN that said Hanley already agreed to move to third, and that now the Marlins plan on going after Pujols.

And sell them all next offseason.

[spoon]

title town!

3

[Snacks]

wait, who do you think will play ss?!

not fucking reyes!

come on man, i hear he injured his hammie on the ramp getting into the plane

awful signing by the marlins. overpaid, always injured and really only a speed guy who is getting older. he has limited power and has only hit for a great avg once and that was last year. they should have given that money to prince fielder.

they actually did the mets a favor now the mets fans cant get mad for not resigning him because the price was way too high.

[Earlshog]

awful signing by the marlins. overpaid, always injured and really only a speed guy who is getting older. he has limited power and has only hit for a great avg once and that was last year. they should have given that money to prince fielder.

they actually did the mets a favor now the mets fans cant get mad for not resigning him because the price was way too high.

Its not awful... risky is what it is if hes healthy and plays to his potential its a great deal, the guy is a difference maket... if hes hurt than its awful

[Snacks]

Its not awful... risky is what it is if hes healthy and plays to his potential its a great deal, the guy is a difference maket... if hes hurt than its awful

Hes an almost 30 year old ss who is 100% all about his speed and has hammy problems yearly and other injuries. Hes never been a top player in baseball til last year and even then he got hurt. Its a risk you are right but its a stupid risk that no one else wanted to make. The mets didnt even offer him any contract and hes their "home grown" player and MLW wasnt going to give him more then 6 or 7 years $70 to maybe as much as $90 million (no way they would have gone $90 imho)

Like I said its an awful signing.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ron Santo elected to HOF

[Snoogans]

Hes an almost 30 year old ss who is 100% all about his speed and has hammy problems yearly and other injuries. Hes never been a top player in baseball til last year and even then he got hurt. Its a risk you are right but its a stupid risk that no one else wanted to make. The mets didnt even offer him any contract and hes their "home grown" player and MLW wasnt going to give him more then 6 or 7 years $70 to maybe as much as $90 million (no way they would have gone $90 imho)

Like I said its an awful signing.

isnt he like 27? for sports, i dont think id call anyone almost 30 until they are 29

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Phils fans. How about Aramis Ramirez, thats the new rumor going around as they are interested in him

[realmenhatelife]

Phils fans. How about Aramis Ramirez, thats the new rumor going around as they are interested in him

I'll take him at third, Polly isn't too sturdy these days.

[Snacks]

isnt he like 27? for sports, i dont think id call anyone almost 30 until they are 29

he turns 29 early on during this upcoming season and has been an injury prone player for his entire career.

[Snoogans]

he turns 29 early on during this upcoming season and has been an injury prone player for his entire career.

oh shit i didnt know he was that old

[spoon]

which explains why he and his agent wanted 6 while the value was maxed out versus teams like the mets wantign 3-4 max

[Snoogans]

which explains why he and his agent wanted 6 while the value was maxed out versus teams like the mets wantign 3-4 max

apparently that 3-4 thing was just talk. the mets never offered anything and never planned to. apparently alderson told him on oct 30th to go FA, the mets werent signing him

[spoon]

well most smart teams surely were thinking more in that range, but it's mlb and crazy money/time always comes from somewhere it seems

last year it was the nats, this year it's Miami (again)

[foodcourtdruide]

apparently that 3-4 thing was just talk. the mets never offered anything and never planned to. apparently alderson told him on oct 30th to go FA, the mets werent signing him

I didn't hear that at all.

What I heard was Alderson said he told his people 5 years with a ridiculous 6th year option was their max. When Miami offered the 6th guarenteed year Alderson didn't respond with an offer.

[Snoogans]

I didn't hear that at all.

What I heard was Alderson said he told his people 5 years with a ridiculous 6th year option was their max. When Miami offered the 6th guarenteed year Alderson didn't respond with an offer.

reyes agent went on radio in miami yesterday and said the mets never sent him 1 formal offer, not even an opening low ball

[foodcourtdruide]

reyes agent went on radio in miami yesterday and said the mets never sent him 1 formal offer, not even an opening low ball

From MetsBlog, from interview on FAN:

"Tonight on WFAN, Sandy Alderson said Jose Reyes‘s agents understood his positon, which was a five-year deal with a vesting option for a sixth year that could have got the deal to $100 million.

In fact, Alderson said he felt there was a chance on Friday night for the two sides to agree to a deal. However, he believes that as soon as the Marlins felt the Mets were back in it, Miami moved to get a deal done. According to Alderson, Jose’s agents contacted him Sunday to say his proposed five-year deal with a vesting option was no longer being considered."

I don't buy much into the "no formal offer" thing. After Reyes got the 6th year from Miami, what would the point have been? I hate to lose Reyes, but Miami totally overpaid. Also, the Mets aren't going to compete until 2013 at the earliest, and more realistically 2014. You'd be wasting his 2 most productive years in his contract on a team virtually rebuilding.

Walking into a contract knowing that it's going to bite you in the ass is how the Mets got into the mess they're in now.

[Snoogans]

From MetsBlog, from interview on FAN:

"Tonight on WFAN, Sandy Alderson said Jose Reyes‘s agents understood his positon, which was a five-year deal with a vesting option for a sixth year that could have got the deal to $100 million.

In fact, Alderson said he felt there was a chance on Friday night for the two sides to agree to a deal. However, he believes that as soon as the Marlins felt the Mets were back in it, Miami moved to get a deal done. According to Alderson, Jose’s agents contacted him Sunday to say his proposed five-year deal with a vesting option was no longer being considered."

I don't buy much into the "no formal offer" thing. After Reyes got the 6th year from Miami, what would the point have been? I hate to lose Reyes, but Miami totally overpaid. Also, the Mets aren't going to compete until 2013 at the earliest, and more realistically 2014. You'd be wasting his 2 most productive years in his contract on a team virtually rebuilding.

Walking into a contract knowing that it's going to bite you in the ass is how the Mets got into the mess they're in now.

im only going by what shitty dan lebetard reported on that awful show he does with his father. he said reyes agent said that on miami radio

[cougarjake13]

Ron Santo elected to HOF

fucking bullshit that they do it now after he's dead


not sure if he had the numbers to get in but to do it around a year after he dies and now all of a sudden his numbers are good ?

[spoon]

the santo type vote usually happens like that...he's borderline from what I remember but could be off

as for Reyes, most thought he was gone to be honest, but at least he didn't get hurt in the deal!


Ole, ole ole ole, OLE, OLE!

[Snoogans]

the santo type vote usually happens like that...he's borderline from what I remember but could be off

as for Reyes, most thought he was gone to be honest, but at least he didn't get hurt in the deal!


Ole, ole ole ole, OLE, OLE!

compared to who was in at the time he played and the contemporaries he played with, he was a pretty solid candidate, actually. he shoulda been in, and it shoulda taken a few years at most. Plus, Ron Santo basically willed himself to live an extra 5 years he probably shouldnt have made it through just to be alive for the induction

[spoon]

yah i'm not to up on his bid or career tbh, or his past trying to get in

i remember some of it, but I'm more focused on getting Joe Namath into the MLB HOF too

I'm convinced he deserves it more than the Canton nod

[epo]

Forget Santo. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Above Average.

And don't start me on his broadcasting, as that was a crime upon humanity.

[Snoogans]

yah i'm not to up on his bid or career tbh, or his past trying to get in

i remember some of it, but I'm more focused on getting Joe Namath into the MLB HOF too

I'm convinced he deserves it more than the Canton nod

i heard he played baseball in HS and thats why the jets made him a QB.

[A.J.]

Forget Santo. It's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of Above Average.

And don't start me on his broadcasting, as that was a crime upon humanity.

We know. You want Uecker in the HOF.

[cougarjake13]

We know. You want Uecker in the HOF.



For the major league movies alone he should get in

[A.J.]

For the major league movies alone he should get in

And Mr. Belvedere.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the santo type vote usually happens like that...he's borderline from what I remember but could be off

as for Reyes, most thought he was gone to be honest, but at least he didn't get hurt in the deal!


Ole, ole ole ole, OLE, OLE!

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[epo]

We know. You want Uecker in the HOF.

Uecker is already in the Hall of Fame.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

For people who are guarantee 1st year elected like Ripken, Gwynn and such, who the fuck would say no to electing them. Some of these writers are complete douches

[underdog]

For people who are guarantee 1st year elected like Ripken, Gwynn and such, who the fuck would say no to electing them. Some of these writers are complete douches

Baseball writers are some of the worst people in the world. They won't vote for a first ballot guy because no one deserves to go in anonymously.

[cougarjake13]

Baseball writers are some of the worst people in the world. They won't vote for a first ballot guy because no one deserves to go in anonymously.



I'm imagining you meant unanimously

Did u perhaps type that from an iPhone?

[underdog]

I'm imagining you meant unanimously

Did u perhaps type that from an iPhone?

Stupid autocorrect.

[spoon]

For people who are guarantee 1st year elected like Ripken, Gwynn and such, who the fuck would say no to electing them. Some of these writers are complete douches

I'm sure marge schott would vote no on one of those two no matter what. She's got a little Tbats in her you know.

[spoon]

Stupid autocorrect.

Then just spell the word right in the first place stupid!


unanimously

use it in a sentence

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[underdog]

Then just spell the word right in the first place stupid!


unanimously

use it in a sentence

country of origin

unanimously

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:innocent:

Well, I just fucked up with the word. But I also make a lot of errors on the phone, due to my misshapen fingers.

[spoon]

that's not funny

keep'em out of your ass and nose

[Snoogans]

the marlins offered pujols 10 years?

there are rumors albert is actually like 34 too

[spoon]

Jay made a sneaky move to line up Chi WS's Santos and his very friendly contract to close for them as far as into 2016, losing one of my favorite prospects though, lil Nestor Molina.

Santos is a converted ex-ss from the Jays system no less (via the Glaus trade with zona), and his arm is something else. His k rate is sweet, but he's walk happy... yet Molina (yes another one/related) has similar projections and closer stuff. Oh and by the way, Molina is a converted SS too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Marlins offer Pujols 10 years


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7322538/miami-marlins-offer-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-10-year-contract-sources-say


Where do they have all this money? Did they use slaves to build the new stadium ?

[spoon]

Marlins offer Pujols 10 years


http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7322538/miami-marlins-offer-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-albert-pujols-10-year-contract-sources-say


Where do they have all this money? Did they use slaves to build the new stadium ?

pretty much

they used your illegal friends

[A.J.]

pretty much

they used your illegal friends

Fucking Mariel boatlift. Thanks Jimmy Carter!

[Snoogans]

Fucking Mariel boatlift. Thanks Jimmy Carter!

those are actually WFs LEGAL friends.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe they used drug money to finance the Stadium.

[Snoogans]

Maybe they used drug money to finance the Stadium.

actually, thats probably true. they had huge articles about all the shit the past few years that was built in miami, and all the businessmen who financed the projects with all the extra money they made off the drug people. Like guys who owned car dealerships and were making an extra 40-50 mill a year cash off the dealers. they saved all that money and basically thats what built MOST of miami beach

[A.J.]

First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the Marlins.

[Snoogans]

First you get the money, then you get the power, then you get the Marlins.

is there a name for the new stadium?

[Kevin]

I blame the browns

[Snoogans]

I blame the browns

really? man art modell can never catch a break

[A.J.]

is there a name for the new stadium?

Stadio del Béisbol.

[Snoogans]

Stadio del Béisbol.

fuck pujols. they need to go sign that cuban guy

[WRESTLINGFAN]

SEC Probing financing to Marlins ballpark

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45534262/ns/local_news-miami_fl/t/sec-investigates-miami-marlins-ballpark-deal/

[hanso]

Waiting on the word about Albert Pujols reminds me how it was with LeBron James. And there is still a pitcher to come, maybe two if he or Prince Fielder get landed. Gaby Sanchez can get traded for the second one.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Marlins won't include a no trade clause to Pujols according to MLB network

[hanso]

They should make it no trade for 5yrs. The 5/10 deal would kick in after that.

[Snoogans]

They should make it no trade for 5yrs. The 5/10 deal would kick in after that.

you dont need to do that, its automatic at that point

[cougarjake13]

It's still worth it for 5 yrs

[Snoogans]

It's still worth it for 5 yrs

no. the whole point is they want to be able to trade them if they desire. once he gets to 10/5, you cant. so they are gonna have to try to deal him before. so they cant give hima no trade before. that would just be stupid

[cougarjake13]

My bad read it wrong but still good for 4 yrs ESP if they get a title and dump like they do

[Snoogans]

My bad read it wrong but still good for 4 yrs ESP if they get a title and dump like they do

why would pujopls agree to a few years of no trade, than being able to be traded for 2 years before he cant be traded again?

[cougarjake13]

Not saying he would but lets say the marlins have best offer
8 yr deal he signs it and betw yr 4 and 5 they deal him

[Snoogans]

Not saying he would but lets say the marlins have best offer
8 yr deal he signs it and betw yr 4 and 5 they deal him

they offered him 10 years already without a no trade clause. why would pujols accept a 3 year no trade and 2 years open before he becomes 10/5, but not accept just the first 5 without? thats what makes no sense.

If he would be willin to take your dumb offer, than he would just take it without a no trade. it would be the same shit anyway

[Snacks]

it doesnt matter in the end. if the team sucks and trades away all their talent pujols will waive a no trade clause to go to a team that wants to win. I dont think he would stay with miami just to stay there. no matter if he has a trade clause or not and no matter if he waives it or not he will still be paid the full amount of his contract. he wont care who is paying it he will want to be where he is most needed or wanted.

i think the purpose of having a no trade clause is more so he can control where he is traded. if he tells them he will waive his no trade clause but only if he is traded to this team or that team. its more about control. if miami does another dump like they did the last 2 times they won a ws pujols wont care if hes traded.

[Snoogans]

it doesnt matter in the end. if the team sucks and trades away all their talent pujols will waive a no trade clause to go to a team that wants to win. I dont think he would stay with miami just to stay there. no matter if he has a trade clause or not and no matter if he waives it or not he will still be paid the full amount of his contract. he wont care who is paying it he will want to be where he is most needed or wanted.

i think the purpose of having a no trade clause is more so he can control where he is traded. if he tells them he will waive his no trade clause but only if he is traded to this team or that team. its more about control. if miami does another dump like they did the last 2 times they won a ws pujols wont care if hes traded.

lets also remember i really think by year 4 of this deal, pujols will be done

[cougarjake13]

All I was saying is maybe the marlins deal is best I threw 8 out there cause I didn't hear
What deal was offered to Pujols already

Anyway let's say the 10 yr deal without no trade is best offer he gets he's gotta
Accept it unless he plans on sitting out

[Snoogans]

10 years 200 mill without a no trade

[cougarjake13]

Ok so let's say no one offers better does he not accept knowing full well he could be gone
Before year 5?

[Snoogans]

Ok so let's say no one offers better does he not accept knowing full well he could be gone
Before year 5?

well, depends on what reports you believe. If you think he is 31, no, probably not. if you think he is really 34, shit, he may retire by year 5

[cougarjake13]

Shit are they reporting his age isn't valid?

Haven't heard anything on that

Even still 10 yrs at 31 can't imagine he'd be worth the money
From 38 on ESP in natl league

[Snoogans]

Shit are they reporting his age isn't valid?

Haven't heard anything on that

Even still 10 yrs at 31 can't imagine he'd be worth the money
From 38 on ESP in natl league

from what i heard, there is some rumors that he is 34. Its what caused the marlins to initially slow down on pursuing him. Ill assume the marlins have found enough info to the contrary to satisfy themselves, and if any team can find some dirt going on in a spanish country, it should be a team from Miami.

So, no, he is probably not 34. he probably is 31. Esp since, i think he is from Puerto Rico, which is alot more hardcore about that kinda shit. But i wouldnt be surprised if they said he was actually 34, either

[spoon]

mets signed BOTH failed Toronto closers from 2011??!!

wow, welcome to the JP Ricciardi effect NY!

guess he DID stop watching the Jays bc both sucked...although Franscico was pretty solid at the end of the year

he may be worth the risk, but regardless, thanks for those picks Mets!


Rauch is AWFUL! You'll come to hate watching his down the middle "heater" at 88 mph with zero movement.

[Snoogans]

mets signed BOTH failed Toronto closers from 2011??!!

wow, welcome to the JP Ricciardi effect NY!

guess he DID stop watching the Jays bc both sucked...although Franscico was pretty solid at the end of the year

he may be worth the risk, but regardless, thanks for those picks Mets!


Rauch is AWFUL! You'll come to hate watching his down the middle "heater" at 88 mph with zero movement.

rumor is the mets are actually thinkin of signing KRod.

Which would rule cause he is type A and the mets would have to give picks to the Brewers

[spoon]

rumor is the mets are actually thinkin of signing KRod.

Which would rule cause he is type A and the mets would have to give picks to the Brewers

Yah, I'm pretty sure the Jays get a pick for both former Jays, but they are type B's so the mets don't actually give it up, they are mlb sandwich pick 2nd rounders. I'll take'em!

Toronto has been REAL good lining these up since AA came on board as GM, and we already have 3 bc of Molina going to Miami this year. Yah that's right, a pick bc of old man Molina! An early one too.

If Johnson signs elsewhere, and he probably will, Toronto gets 2 more bc he's type A modified! This means the team to pick him up only loses a spot in the draft, we slot in before them, and Toronto will get another sandwich pick, higher though).

[spoon]

rumor is the mets are actually thinkin of signing KRod.

Which would rule cause he is type A and the mets would have to give picks to the Brewers

I think that rumor is done now with those two met pickups, along with the Pagan trade for another reliever from SF.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ortiz returning for 2012


http://espn.go.com/boston/mlb/story/_/id/7323309/source-david-ortiz-accept-boston-red-sox-arbitration-offer

[cougarjake13]

Who did the mets get for pagan?

[Kevin]

Yankees won the bidding for some Japanese SS.

2mil so I'm sure he is a bum

[cougarjake13]

what about jeter mc career Yankee?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Dont think Pujols will be going to Miami

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7327432/sources-miami-marlins-move-albert-pujols-pursuit


ESPN also Reports Houston Street traded to the Padres

[cougarjake13]

Maybe they'll shoot an offer to fielder now

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Buehrle to Marlins

4 years 58 million

[Snacks]

Buehrle to Marlins

4 years 58 million

roughly what I thought he would get. I dont know how anyone thought he was going to get $20 million+?

Miami needs to go after Fielder. Give him a 6 or 7 year deal in the $120-$140 range,. Hes younger, cheaper and just about to hit his prime compared to pujols who will want 10 years and around $70 -$100 million more and is older.

[hanso]

And C.J. Wilson maybe a long shot to get both but still a possibility.

[Kevin]

roughly what I thought he would get. I dont know how anyone thought he was going to get $20 million+?

Miami needs to go after Fielder. Give him a 6 or 7 year deal in the $120-$140 range,. Hes younger, cheaper and just about to hit his prime compared to pujols who will want 10 years and around $70 -$100 million more and is older.

Thats a huge overpay for Buhrle.

He is an avg pitcher at best.

And he has a ton of innings.

Marlins are just spending drug money just to spend it now.

[Kevin]

looking at his stats, he had a much better year than i thought.

But his innings still scare me.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

roughly what I thought he would get. I dont know how anyone thought he was going to get $20 million+?

Miami needs to go after Fielder. Give him a 6 or 7 year deal in the $120-$140 range,. Hes younger, cheaper and just about to hit his prime compared to pujols who will want 10 years and around $70 -$100 million more and is older.

I saw that C J Wilson was given a deal by Miami for 6 years.


Fielder would be a good fit especially if the right field porch is shorter.


Also with playing in Miami no state income tax. That could be a factor too

[Snoogans]

i wish the sox woulda told papi to fuck off and went after fielder and used him and agone half at DH and half at first to keep them fresh

[Snoogans]

More Marlins news. Hanley Ramirez is upset about having to move to third, and he supposedly wants more money for his troubles. Buster Olney speculates that Miami could try to deal Ramirez and use the money it would save on Prince Fielder.

[spoon]

i wish the sox woulda told papi to fuck off and went after fielder and used him and agone half at DH and half at first to keep them fresh

Jesus, why not just get another shitty bat at first from the fa market, Pujols, and give them all more rest. I mean if this doesn't show what's wrong with MLB, and the AL East, what possibly could? That's almost as funny the Nunez for Gio Gonzalez trade a WFAN Yank fan suggested...seriously.

[spoon]

Miami is fucking ridiculous right now too. This is the third time they are doing this, now the excuse is the new digs, but the mere fact anyone can just spend their way to contention is hilarious. Fuck the draft, development of players, coaching, and system...just green baby!

[Snoogans]

Jesus, why not just get another shitty bat at first from the fa market, Pujols, and give them all more rest. I mean if this doesn't show what's wrong with MLB, and the AL East, what possibly could? That's almost as funny the Nunez for Gio Gonzalez trade a WFAN Yank fan suggested...seriously.

the sox had 55 mill coming off the payroll and havent really spent a dime of it. thats the only reason why. you are gonna give papi like 17 mill in arb, why not just sign fielder. Im not sayin sign everyone, but they havent done shit. We are gonna need the fuckin bats if bard is closing for this awesome pitching staff

[Kevin]

Somebody needs to stop the Yankees from spending all this money.

They are just going crazy out there.

[spoon]

Somebody needs to stop the Yankees from spending all this money.

They are just going crazy out there.

dude stop, snoogans has a point at least

your payroll is now WAY above Boston, by way of Boston once again LOSING payroll in a pretty big way, while NY paid CC more/extension and just paid a couple mill to offer that Japanese IF a contract. sorry Kev, still wrong.

my issue was more with the idea of what shaun presented, not what actually happened

yet still, Miami is a joke...again

who's next?

[hanso]

Please take A.J Blister Financing available.



After reading this
I so hope Marlins land both Fielder and Wilson now.

[spoon]

and if they won, i'd go zzzzzzzzzz

is it a real title? any better than the yankee's last title when they spent a ton to go from not making to playoffs to the title.

nope

most of baseball is complete bullshit any longer

I'll continue to root for teams that acquire about as much as they lose, and the bulk is done by their system and trades.

[Snoogans]

and if they won, i'd go zzzzzzzzzz

is it a real title? any better than the yankee's last title when they spent a ton to go from not making to playoffs to the title.

nope

most of baseball is complete bullshit any longer

I'll continue to root for teams that acquire about as much as they lose, and the bulk is done by their system and trades.

basically what the sox seem like they are tryin to do. they are fast tracking this Ranauto kid they have pitchin who is like 19 right now. They had drew, paps, and a few other minors come off. They woulda had papi come off too, which means if they had done my idea and got prince fielder to split DH and 1B duties with gonzalez, allowing another 10-15 million for other pickups, the payroll would still be under 150, and i think closer to 140, and it was like 169 last year so

[Kevin]

dude stop, snoogans has a point at least

your payroll is now WAY above Boston, by way of Boston once again LOSING payroll in a pretty big way, while NY paid CC more/extension and just paid a couple mill to offer that Japanese IF a contract. sorry Kev, still wrong.

my issue was more with the idea of what shaun presented, not what actually happened

yet still, Miami is a joke...again

who's next?

Sure

Those gutty gritty Redsox just keep doing it with smoke and mirrors.

How do they do it.

Btw...

They held off the Agon ext just to escape the tax..

That shit was done when they traded for him.

But bah, Its not the Yankees so, why bring it up...

Yankees only added a year to the CC deal.

And that 2mil that they spent on the jap, BIG BUCKS.

[spoon]

Sure

Those gutty gritty Redsox just keep doing it with smoke and mirrors.

How do they do it.

Btw...

They held off the Agon ext just to escape the tax..

That shit was done when they traded for him.

But bah, Its not the Yankees so, why bring it up...

yep, i didn't even start this thing being about the sox and marlins right!?

good pt kev



yet shaun made a good point and i acknowledge those when made

let's remember Kev, the sox spend like they do just to compete and stay within 60 million of the yanks, not set the standard for spending like a shithead Marlin once every 8 years.

[Kevin]

yep, i didn't even start this thing being about the sox and marlins right!?

good pt kev



yet shaun made a good point and i acknowledge those when made

let's remember Kev, the sox spend like they do just to compete and stay within 60 million of the yanks, not set the standard for spending like a shithead Marlin once every 8 years.

You brought up the sox.

I just pointed out how the Yankees aren't spending..

And you still have not commented on the Lux tax move..

Thats ok right?

If the Yankees pulled that shit you would be writing Thesis on this board.

But nope not a peep..

[spoon]

Sure



And that 2mil that they spent on the jap, BIG BUCKS.

for a shitty player to be on the fucking bench BEHIND Jeter and Cano, just to NEGOTIATE with him, yah, it is!

that's right kev, he doesn't have a contract yet to BACK UP in NY and he's 2 million, to TALK!

lot's of teams have that right?

The fucking marlins had a payroll like that for 8 years so they can do this bullshit again for 2-3 years and of course a title that points out how fucked the league really is.

[spoon]

You brought up the sox.

I just pointed out how the Yankees aren't spending..

And you still have not commented on the Lux tax move..

Thats ok right?

Jesus tenbatswf? why would I switch topic focal points in the middle of a convo?!

tell me what you mean bc I have no clue?

[Snoogans]

Jesus tenbatswf? why would I switch topic focal points in the middle of a convo?!

tell me what you mean bc I have no clue?

the red sox agreed to the big extention with gonzalez when they dealt for him but they waited to sign it til the offseason so it wouldnt hit the tax until this year

but even still, thats just smart business. any team is allowed to do that

[Kevin]

Jesus tenbatswf? why would I switch topic focal points in the middle of a convo?!

tell me what you mean bc I have no clue?

Come on bro seriously?

The Redsox did not announce the Agon deal until AFTER the payroll was calculated for Lux tax purposes.

Everyone knew they had come to terms with Agon when they made the trade.

[Kevin]

the red sox agreed to the big extention with gonzalez when they dealt for him but they waited to sign it til the offseason so it wouldnt hit the tax until this year

but even still, thats just smart business. any team is allowed to do that

I agree, its smart and in the rules.

But you can't slam one team for doing the same shit the other team does that you give a pass to.

Hell that's even worse, at least the Yankees pay the tax.

[Snoogans]

I agree, its smart and in the rules.

But you can't slam one team for doing the same shit the other team does that you give a pass to.

Hell that's even worse, at least the Yankees pay the tax.

im sure the yankees policy not to give extensions in most cases has to do with not adding to there lux tax as much as it has to do with keeping focused on winning.

[Kevin]

im sure the yankees policy not to give extensions in most cases has to do with not adding to there lux tax as much as it has to do with keeping focused on winning.

That and we are always so over it it does not even matter.

My point is lets not act like the Sox are these 2nd class citizens.

They are just a big as the Yankees now.

[spoon]

You brought up the sox.

I just pointed out how the Yankees aren't spending..

And you still have not commented on the Lux tax move..

Thats ok right?

If the Yankees pulled that shit you would be writing Thesis on this board.

But nope not a peep..

WOW, stop rewording your posts over and over. The yanks don't have to spend right now, they are already WAYYYYY over the second place spending team right now.

In fact, they are over 50 mil ahead with contracts on the books thus far and we surely will see some signings here. Almost to 200 million and they're not even close to fully rostered yet.

Yankees thus far. (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tpQLwiiQL4kzEzLhsUqVjLQ&output=html) Be sure to click through and see Boston thus far at #2 and Philly at #3. See the dif yet? And yah, the phils made a TON of noise again and they are #3 and not even close to NY yet.

[spoon]

Fuck, the Yankees have the Jays payroll in 2016 with 3 asshole players on the fucking books. But yah Kev, the poor yanks aren't signing their normal 3 top free agents on the market...yet.

[spoon]

the red sox agreed to the big extention with gonzalez when they dealt for him but they waited to sign it til the offseason so it wouldnt hit the tax until this year

but even still, thats just smart business. any team is allowed to do that

Honestly, I have no fucking clue about this so it's hard for me to ignore something I just haven't heard about. Not to mention it's just out of left field. It's one thing to bring it up as a factor, but to say I'm purposely not talking about it randomly in the middle of something is just fucking ODD!

Explain it more please, both of you. I have no feelings on it yet. However, didn't MLB just up the % and lower the spending limit making more teams pay in the future that spend up to ~ $178 million? I obviously don't give that much of a fuck bc teams that spend that much don't fucking care much, as they (yankees) were the ones that helped create this to circumvent any notion of a salary cap. Not to mention it doesn't go to the teams to even the playing field, it goes to "further advance the game". It's complete bullshit from the captain of bullshit leagues, MLB.

[Snoogans]

http://www.stevetheump.com/luxury_tax.htm

this link has a list of all the lux tax paid by each team since 1997. i cant copy from it for some reason, but check it out.

sox total tax since 97 - 17 mill

yanks - 201.5 mill

[spoon]

I agree, its smart and in the rules.

But you can't slam one team for doing the same shit the other team does that you give a pass to.

Hell that's even worse, at least the Yankees pay the tax.

reading what both of you put makes me say exactly what Shaun said, it'd be stupid not to do it and MLB is to blame for another bs "answer" to an issue.

that fucking loophole is there for a reason I'm sure, nothing good of course

and again, lux tax=bullshit, not competitive balance help

[Snoogans]

Honestly, I have no fucking clue about this so it's hard for me to ignore something I just haven't heard about. Not to mention it's just out of left field. It's one thing to bring it up as a factor, but to say I'm purposely not talking about it randomly in the middle of something is just fucking ODD!

Explain it more please, both of you. I have no feelings on it yet. However, didn't MLB just up the % and lower the spending limit making more teams pay in the future that spend up to ~ $178 million? I obviously don't give that much of a fuck bc teams that spend that much don't fucking care much, as they (yankees) were the ones that helped create this to circumvent any notion of a salary cap. Not to mention it doesn't go to the teams to even the playing field, it goes to "further advance the game". It's complete bullshit from the captain of bullshit leagues, MLB.

basically, the sox traded for him in july. had they signed his extension in july, it would have hit the sox on the payroll for last season an extra 12 or so million. so they agreed to the ext as part of the trade, but to avoid goin over the 178 million tax level, they handshook but didnt sign the deal until after the season so they dont go over the tax next year either, since money came off.

basically, the exact same thing matt kemp did for the dodgers, and the exact same thing the yankees will do with robinson cano when the time comes

[Snoogans]

reading what both of you put makes me say exactly what Shaun said, it'd be stupid not to do it and MLB is to blame for another bs "answer" to an issue.

that fucking loophole is there for a reason I'm sure, nothing good of course

and again, lux tax=bullshit, not competitive balance help

the tax level last season was 178 million, so only 1 team paid it

[Kevin]

the tax level last season was 178 million, so only 1 team paid it

And if they announced the Agon deal, they would have been over the threshold, having to pay the tax...

[spoon]

That and we are always so over it it does not even matter.

My point is lets not act like the Sox are these 2nd class citizens.

They are just a big as the Yankees now.

Yah, no. They are big players sure, but again it's a reaction/keeping up as best they can and still are usually ~ 60 million less a year. So over the next 10 years they'll spend ~ 500 million less on player salary, but yah, no advantage there at all right. Just as big! HA!

Sad thing is, Toronto may go to 100 and THEY'LL be 100 off per year on average IF they go up 30 mill (completely doubtful). Over ten years, they'll spend at least 1 Billion less than the yanks! IF they up their salary, if not 1.3-1.5 billion less!

Yeah MLB!

[Kevin]

The numbers don't really show it, but the Sox spend close to as much as the Yankees

Its just weird...

[spoon]

The numbers don't really show it, but the Sox spend close to as much as the Yankees

Its just weird...

how are facts weird?

they are what they are

and if you included the amount of money buried in rookie bonuses teams pay out, and farm system payrolls, these number get even WORSE

so many teams actually pass up better players in the fucking draft bc they simply can't sign them due to the expected bonuses that the big teams drove up, so they take lesser players and the top picks slide to the bigger teams

the whole fucking thing is a mess, bc the draft is already nominalized due to the free agent market and of course the international free agent market

[Snoogans]

how are facts weird?

they are what they are

and if you included the amount of money buried in rookie bonuses teams pay out, and farm system payrolls, these number get even WORSE

so many teams actually pass up better players in the fucking draft bc they simply can't sign them due to the expected bonuses that the big teams drove up, so they take lesser players and the top picks slide to the bigger teams

the whole fucking thing is a mess, bc the draft is already nominalized due to the free agent market and of course the international free agent market

they slotted bonuses and contracts on a scale now in the new CBA so that should slow down or stop. You arent gonna be able to buy picks into your system anymore

[Snoogans]

angels offered pujols today 10 years 210

cards offer is apparently 8 years 160

[spoon]

they slotted bonuses and contracts on a scale now in the new CBA so that should slow down or stop. You arent gonna be able to buy picks into your system anymore

I saw their attempt, but to me it's very iffy at best and purposely written out in a strange way. Yet, like the agon thing, I'm not exactly up on it. I will soon as AA has become good at playing the systems in place and a few sites I frequent report on it really well. My guess is there are loopholes all over it again.

[spoon]

angels offered pujols today 10 years 210

cards offer is apparently 8 years 160

he'll stay in St. Louis

my bet is he's just trying to get them up a touch and not look like a fool as he did in the last contract bc his agent needed money


CJ Wilson seems destined for California or Florida from the news I heard. We'll see, but he's from southern CA so perhaps?

[Snoogans]

I saw their attempt, but to me it's very iffy at best and purposely written out in a strange way. Yet, like the agon thing, I'm not exactly up on it. I will soon as AA has become good at playing the systems in place and a few sites I frequent report on it really well. My guess is there are loopholes all over it again.

go search for MLB draft on deadspin. they had a run down about it. they actually showed how, although it will stop guys from buying players, it will also stop teams from drafting guys who will go back to college, thus leaving them for the better teams who they will agree to leave for, even at lower dollars.

Its really weird

[Snoogans]

he'll stay in St. Louis

my bet is he's just trying to get them up a touch and not look like a fool as he did in the last contract bc his agent needed money


CJ Wilson seems destined for California or Florida from the news I heard. We'll see, but he's from southern CA so perhaps?

His HS is like 2 miles from the stadium in anaheim. But florida is apparently gonna use the rest of the albert money to get him with bhuerle and then trade ramirez for prospects and use that for fielder.

[spoon]

go search for MLB draft on deadspin. they had a run down about it. they actually showed how, although it will stop guys from buying players, it will also stop teams from drafting guys who will go back to college, thus leaving them for the better teams who they will agree to leave for, even at lower dollars.

Its really weird

that's part of what I mean, not too cut and dry, as mlb wants it of course

God knows there are simple ways to fix it all that were looked past.

[spoon]

His HS is like 2 miles from the stadium in anaheim. But florida is apparently gonna use the rest of the albert money to get him with bhuerle and then trade ramirez for prospects and use that for fielder.

Jesus!


I mean TEBOW!

So they will line up the likes of Reyes, Buehrle, Wilson & Fielder potentially!? Fuck that's just stupid money out of nowhere, but so Marlin like. Still, they won't rank in the top 3 or even close based on my calculations...especially if they move that asshole

[Snoogans]

Jesus!


I mean TEBOW!

So they will line up the likes of Reyes, Buehrle, Wilson & Fielder potentially!? Fuck that's just stupid money out of nowhere, but so Marlin like. Still, they won't rank in the top 3 or even close based on my calculations...especially if they move that asshole

yea its fuckin nuts. i cant wait til the yankees trade for half of them and the sox the other half in 2014

[spoon]

yea its fuckin nuts. i cant wait til the yankees trade for half of them and the sox the other half in 2014

come on, the phils will get one and the mets new owner will take on the Reyes contract to bring him back to star on the DL with Ike Davis's back

[Snoogans]

come on, the phils will get one and the mets new owner will take on the Reyes contract to bring him back to star on the DL with Ike Davis's back

there is rumor they moved the fences in so ike davis has a big first half, wright too, so they can trade one of them for prospects

[spoon]

well the fences def came in, but I assume the rumor part you meant was the player moving part after a quick start

just imagine, now jason bay doesn't have to run that far to hit the fence!

you got that going for you met fans!

[Kevin]

10 years 250 mil?

Angels



Will people ever learn from stupid Yankee mistakes?

Even if he is 32, which I have my doubts, its still a real risky move.

[Kevin]

yea its fuckin nuts. i cant wait til the yankees trade for half of them and the sox the other half in 2014

Stop it.

The Sox don't spend money.

They are small market.

Gutty Gritty teams don't do that.

[A.J.]

angels offered pujols today 10 years 210

cards offer is apparently 8 years 160

he'll stay in St. Louis

my bet is he's just trying to get them up a touch and not look like a fool as he did in the last contract bc his agent needed money

Wrong! (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7330066/sources-albert-pujols-takes-10-year-deal-los-angeles-angels)

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/movieimages/2009/08/9368.jpg?key=1249885948

[spe5150]

Wrong! (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7330066/sources-albert-pujols-takes-10-year-deal-los-angeles-angels)

INDEED! (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-angels-pujols)

[razorboy]

A full no-trade clause for whose 31 year old who may or may not actually be 35. This is going to make the Vernon Wells deal look a bargain near the end of the contract's term. To think Arte Moreno paid 180mil when he bought the team eight years ago. Between Pujols and Wilson alone he has committed 325mil just this morning

[Kevin]

CJ Wilson also to Angels 5 yr 77.5

Another dumb move

[cougarjake13]

How great would it be if the angels don't even win the division

[underdog]

How great would it be if the angels don't even win the division

they're the dream team!

[A.J.]

How great would it be if the angels don't even win the division

No way a team that talent-laden would do that!

Oh............................right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

CA State income taxes are a bitch

This was based on every 2 weeks. Theory that Pujols would get 26mm per year


Bi-weekly Gross Pay $1,000,000.00
Federal Withholding $348,635.25
Social Security $4,485.60
Medicare $14,500.00
California $112,764.04
SDI $1,119.79

-NetPay
Net Pay $518,495.32

[underdog]

CA State income taxes are a bitch

This was based on every 2 weeks. Theory that Pujols would get 26mm per year


Bi-weekly Gross Pay $1,000,000.00
Federal Withholding $348,635.25
Social Security $4,485.60
Medicare $14,500.00
California $112,764.04
SDI $1,119.79

-NetPay
Net Pay $518,495.32

That's if he has a terrible accountant.

[Jujubees2]

CA State income taxes are a bitch

This was based on every 2 weeks. Theory that Pujols would get 26mm per year


Bi-weekly Gross Pay $1,000,000.00
Federal Withholding $348,635.25
Social Security $4,485.60
Medicare $14,500.00
California $112,764.04
SDI $1,119.79

-NetPay
Net Pay $518,495.32

How in the world will he survive on $518,495.32 every two weeks?

[Snoogans]

as stupid as it is, at least the angels being the one makes more sense. They can always stick him at DH once he is useless in the field in 3 years.

so now i guess the marlins will go hard after Prince Fielder along with the Cubs?

Are the Red Sox alive? please tell me these assholes arent sitting back doin nothing because they are gonna sign Darvish and Pussy Juice (that cuban guy)

[Snoogans]

How in the world will he survive on $518,495.32 every two weeks?

alos, based on that, californias highest tax bracket for state is like 11.2%. thats high, but its not like unfathomable. NJs would be 10%. Plus, their will be plenty of writeoffs, as underdog alluded to.

Im sure Albert will be doin just fine. Plus, it means ARod gets his money back from the scumbag agent

[newport king]

they are gonna sign Darvish and Pussy Juice (that cuban guy)

I'll be referring to him for the remainder of his career as Pussy Juice.

Are they really claiming Pujols is 32? He looked 32 when he broke into the league.

[Snoogans]

I'll be referring to him for the remainder of his career as Pussy Juice.

Are they really claiming Pujols is 32? He looked 32 when he broke into the league.

do you know why i call him that? During that awesome 20 minute workout video he sent all the MLB teams, he uses uncensored rap songs. There is a part where he is doin leg lifts in the gym and the beat drops out and the rapper just says PUSSAY JUICE right in the middle of it.

So from that point forward i call him pussy juice, or sometimes, Jugo con Panocha

[newport king]

yeah i saw the video u posted, and saw u made mention of pussy juice before, i just couldnt sit thru the whole video because it was too ridiculous

[Snoogans]

yeah i saw the video u posted, and saw u made mention of pussy juice before, i just couldnt sit thru the whole video because it was too ridiculous

i watched the whole fuckin thing. i couldnt stop laughing. also, i spent a large part of the time picturing how Brian Cashman reacted to watching the video.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Speaking of Cashman...


http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20111204&content_id=26090350&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe K Rod will be traded back to the Halos after arbitration

[spoon]

Wrong! (http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/mlb/story/_/id/7330066/sources-albert-pujols-takes-10-year-deal-los-angeles-angels)

http://cdn.crooksandliars.com/files/movieimages/2009/08/9368.jpg?key=1249885948

I'm shocked overall, but hey this lines up as a Wellsian type contract I guess they like now. WTF Angels? It does make a ton more sense there though, as the DH at least adds to his longevity overall.

[spoon]

as stupid as it is, at least the angels being the one makes more sense. They can always stick him at DH once he is useless in the field in 3 years.

so now i guess the marlins will go hard after Prince Fielder along with the Cubs?

Are the Red Sox alive? please tell me these assholes arent sitting back doin nothing because they are gonna sign Darvish and Pussy Juice (that cuban guy)

I read that the Marlins are not going after Fielder, and the Jays are bidding high on Darvish? Here's where Kev says the Jays are on an even level now.

And come on Shaun, the Sox just picked up the great Jesse Carlson!

good luck with that!

if you think John P pissed you off, rely on this guy to fetch coffee and you're still fucked.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Would suck for the Angels if the Big quake hits on opening day.

[spoon]

Would suck for the Angels if the Big quake hits on opening day.

you really are a gem

[spoon]

rumors now saying Fielder may go over the 200 million slot as well

and man, imagine how good the Angels would be if only they had that awesome pitcher the Sox stole!

:innocent:

hahahahaha!

[hanso]

Would suck for the Angels if the Big quake hits on opening day.

Earthquake tax

[Jayw]

Sad to see pujols go.

But I would of been a lot more sad if we gave him anything over 8 years and what the angels paid.

He is 32, his best years are behind him, hope he does well but at least the cards arent locked up with an aging superstar.

[Snoogans]

Sad to see pujols go.

But I would of been a lot more sad if we gave him anything over 8 years and what the angels paid.

He is 32, his best years are behind him, hope he does well but at least the cards arent locked up with an aging superstar.

and he gave you guys a title. its not like he left you hanging after sayin he wanted to win for you guys

[Kevin]

and he gave you guys a title. its not like he left you hanging after sayin he wanted to win for you guys

Two titles.

Plus that awesome HRthat ruined Brad Lidge.

[spoon]

yah, i think this move works for both St. Louis and the AL/dh laden Angels.

poor guy in St. Louis not only has a World Series to come off of, he now has a HUGE hole in the lineup/at first

sure Westbrook coming back is nice, but oof, talk about no win type situation if there ever was one

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Sad to see pujols go.

But I would of been a lot more sad if we gave him anything over 8 years and what the angels paid.

He is 32, his best years are behind him, hope he does well but at least the cards arent locked up with an aging superstar.

Cards should still win the NL Central. Plus Wainwright will be back for 2012

[joeyballsack]

So the Cards would overpay for Matt Holliday but not Albert F'ing Pujols ?

The Angels have the best starting rotation in the AL as of right now with Weaver, Harden, Santana, Wilson and whoever else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Should be interesting on how his HR totals might be. Parks like Safeco, Oakland Caoliseum and Angels Stadium are more suited towards pitchers

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So the Cards would overpay for Matt Holliday but not Albert F'ing Pujols ?

The Angels have the best starting rotation in the AL as of right now with Weaver, Harden, Santana, Wilson and whoever else.

The front office fucked up big time on this. They should have gone for an extension in 08 or 09

Holliday wasnt worth 7 years at 120 million

[spoon]

Cards should still win the NL Central. Plus Wainwright will be back for 2012

ha, meant wainwright too, not westbrook (even though he's there too, just not back form injury)

[spoon]

the only thing uglier than the Marlin's new logos and unis?

wait until Reyes hits a home run after flying out 43 times first!

You get this gem!

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/739480/marlins.gif

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Marlins uniform related to BASEketball


http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/-8216-Baseketball-8217-almost-predicted-the-M?urn=mlb-wp27760&active_dimension=carousel_coke_today&ysp_frm_woah=1&cmtnav=/mwphucmtgetnojspage/headcontent/main/blog.urn:newsml:sports.yahoo_yhoo:20050301:mlb_art icle_yhoo-ept_sports_mlb_experts-wp27760:1//date/asc/1/0

[spoon]

that's awesome squeak...you bitch!

[cougarjake13]

Sad to see pujols go.

But I would of been a lot more sad if we gave him anything over 8 years and what the angels paid.

He is 32, his best years are behind him, hope he does well but at least the cards arent locked up with an aging superstar.



he helped you get 2 titles so i imagine that lessens the pain a little

[Jayw]

he helped you get 2 titles so i imagine that lessens the pain a little

Yep.

A peaceful parting of ways that is for sure. He did a lot for us at a great bargain. Too bad he couldn't finish out his career here. Money talks, and that is what mattered most to him, which is completely understandable.

It will be interesting to see how he hits in that park.

[A.J.]

and man, imagine how good the Angels would be if only they had that awesome pitcher the Sox stole!

:innocent:

hahahahaha!

Shut it.

[cougarjake13]

Yep.

A peaceful parting of ways that is for sure. He did a lot for us at a great bargain. Too bad he couldn't finish out his career here. Money talks, and that is what mattered most to him, which is completely understandable.

It will be interesting to see how he hits in that park.

I would think had the cards lost to Texas most cards fans would have felt they were close to winning and him coming back would help em win and be pissed he didn't but since they won its ok
Maybe prince comes in

[spoon]

Shut it.

HEEEEAAADDD! PAPER! NOW!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_l_Oz74kNBVU/TJOdvScwMsI/AAAAAAAADbU/QUnbNN25VeM/s640/shut+it!.jpg

[razorboy]

Rays sign Matt Moore to five year $14mil contract ("http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/rays-lock-up-matt-moore.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

The kid is absolutely electric, and this basically avoids arbitration headaches should he establish himself as the ace most expect him to be. With three option years the deal would be eight years for $37.5mil. At worst the contract is a relatively minor inconvenience, at best an absolute steal. This does likely mean that one of Niemann, Davis or Shields will be moved this offseason.

[spoon]

well at least he didn't leave the state, but I can't believe he left the dolphins like this mid-season

[hanso]

Rays sign Matt Moore to five year $14mil contract ("http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/rays-lock-up-matt-moore.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

The kid is absolutely electric, and this basically avoids arbitration headaches should he establish himself as the ace most expect him to be. With three option years the deal would be eight years for $37.5mil. At worst the contract is a relatively minor inconvenience, at best an absolute steal. This does likely mean that one of Niemann, Davis or Shields will be moved this offseason.

Shields for Lo-Mo might heat up again.

[cougarjake13]

well at least he didn't leave the state, but I can't believe he left the dolphins like this mid-season



He was playing the odds and football wasn't really working so he took the offer

[midwestjeff]

Era's end. That's what they do. The Larussa era - that includes the Pujols years - was probably one of the greatest in the history of the franchise and I got to be a part of it. The new era starts now and I like Matheny a lot, so fuck it. Whether I like it or not, a new era begins.

That said, do you know what angels fans and faggots have in common?

They both love Pujols!

Fuck, it feels good to be on the other side of that awful joke.

[cougarjake13]

Thee was also one I can't remember but something to do with lick my pujols

[midwestjeff]

Thee was also one I can't remember but something to do with lick my pujols

Honestly, Pujols was not very clutch the last couple years. And, his health is a question. Going to a team where he can eventually DH will prolong his career. Good for him and his numbers and good for STL because he will not be worth the money in 5 years, let alone 10. He's definitely one of the greats and I love that I got to see the best part of his career but I am also glad that the Cards will continue to put together winning teams for the rest of my life and not be over-paying an over the hill legend when he is 40 and can't hit the ball for shit. God, this hurts too much.

[weekapaugjz]

God, this hurts too much.

http://cdn.thegloss.com/files/2011/07/dawson-crying.jpg

[midwestjeff]

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

I saw the press conference today. Im sure most Cards fans wouldnt be able to stomach it. I know Pujol's did what was best for him and that he gave the fans of St Louis 11 great years but as a baseball fan damn that was tough to watch.


If there's any solace Musial will remain the greatest Cardinal ever

[hanso]

I saw the press conference today. Im sure most Cards fans wouldnt be able to stomach it. I know Pujol's did what was best for him and that he gave the fans of St Louis 11 great years but as a baseball fan damn that was tough to watch.


If there's any solace Musial will remain the greatest Cardinal ever

Stan the man... like the quip made up for this 'angry Birds".

[underdog]

Ryan Braun tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.

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[HBox]

Ryan Braun tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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That will make Cards fans feel a whole lot better.

[NickyL0885]

Ryan Braun tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Wow! I wonder if they will take back his MVP, considering he wasn't given it that long ago.

[NickyL0885]

He's still young and will have a great career. But, HOF chances are DEAD.

Also, I love the "I didn't knowingly take it" line.

[cougarjake13]

Epo is somewhere crying in his miller beer

[NickyL0885]

Saw Buster Olney on ESPN. He's right in that, Braun is the most prominent young guy to fail this test since Baseball got "tough" of PEDs. Manny Ramirez doesn't count b/c he was winding down in his career. Braun still has lots of playing time left. Is going to the gym and working out not good enough anymore? Jeez!

[Kevin]

Ryan Braun tested positive for performance enhancing drugs.

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Not only didnt he deserve the MVP but he cheated to not deserve it.

Typical Wisconsin shenanigans.

Rodger and Mathews, COME ON DOWN!!

[Snacks]

of course he did, he is one of my fav players in the league so its only natural that he would do some kind ped.

fact is I dont care either way.

spoon how much do you hate him now? is he now added to the list of pieces of shits?

[Snoogans]

of course he did, he is one of my fav players in the league so its only natural that he would do some kind ped.

fact is I dont care either way.

spoon how much do you hate him now? is he now added to the list of pieces of shits?

Braun fucked Sandusky? or Fine? or that AAU guy?

[cougarjake13]

No they sandusky'd braun

[Kevin]

What A BUM, he only hit 33hrs even cheating. BUM.

[cougarjake13]

What A BUM, he only hit 33hrs even cheating. BUM.



He was trying to be subtle

[Snacks]

Braun fucked Sandusky? or Fine? or that AAU guy?

p.e.d's lol

spoon you actually made me laugh! that was good.

[Snoogans]

p.e.d's lol

spoon you actually made me laugh! that was good.

im not spoon, but thanks

[spoon]

Wow! I wonder if they will take back his MVP, considering he wasn't given it that long ago.

It's fucking unreal to me that they kept this covered up and didn't release it UNTIL AFTER the MVP vote I thought Kemp deserved in the first place. Now it's not even close in any way. WTF cheaters!?

[spoon]

of course he did, he is one of my fav players in the league so its only natural that he would do some kind ped.

fact is I dont care either way.

spoon how much do you hate him now? is he now added to the list of pieces of shits?

what leads you to believe I would support any PED user? have I ever been hypocritical about this at all!?

you're posting logic is fucking comical!? what was the point of this post? seriously!?

and notice I just got to your post and the my post earlier happened before any of this nonsense post was even read


so I guess you think it's cool Braun did what he did? no reason to do anything about it? all is fine with behaving this way at all?

give me a break

[Snacks]

what leads you to believe I would support any PED user? have I ever been hypocritical about this at all!?

you're posting logic is fucking comical!? what was the point of this post? seriously!?

and notice I just got to your post and the my post earlier happened before any of this nonsense post was even read


so I guess you think it's cool Braun did what he did? no reason to do anything about it? all is fine with behaving this way at all?

give me a break

Whats comical I was being serious. I knew instantly you would hate him and put him in your list of assholes, cheaters and scumbags.

what reason to post this? because i know you hate p.e.d users. So I cant mention your name and be sarcastic about it but you can do it? didnt you just do it in the nfl thread when i asked about te's. Weren't you being sarcastic or jabbing me when you said just for you snacks

Winslow (sr) and a close second Gates

Gonzo was obviously playing in an easy era for TEs and Sharpe clearly had better weapons to work with :lol:
trying to insinuate that I only pick Miami players when in fact i dont?

I got to remember I cant do what you do!

[spoon]

sigh

:wacko:

[spoon]

Here, let's all play Epo Bingo!

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw0pyeHiYs1qchw8jo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1323658092&Signature=eZfXZEeDNAZFSVbN187D%2BIS%2BuZM%3D

[epo]

It now appears that ESPN may have completely fucked this Braun story up.

[NickyL0885]

It now appears that ESPN may have completely fucked this Braun story up.

Seems so. But, people will now always speculate and his HOF chances have gone down the tubes. Unless the voters acknowledge that he was innocent.

[spoon]

It now appears that ESPN may have completely fucked this Braun story up.

link?

and if this is so, wow there could be a huge fallout bc of it

[spoon]

https://p.twimg.com/AbGB5kTCEAA9P89.jpg

It's official, the Jays are part of a sporting family now.

[Snacks]

link?

and if this is so, wow there could be a huge fallout bc of it

I dont know what they watched but all espn said was he failed the test, was told about it before winning his mvp award, they are fighting the results and that no player who has ever challenged the results has won or had them overturned and he would be facing a 50 game suspension.

I dont know how espn fucked it up? they reported he failed the test and he did. whatever band substance he took elevated his testosterone levels.

[hanso]

Move over Manny.

[cougarjake13]

I thought Mandy's suspension was to be 100 games since this is second time and he already served a 50
Why is it now reported as being 50 again?

[hanso]

I thought Mandy's suspension was to be 100 games since this is second time and he already served a 50
Why is it now reported as being 50 again?

2nd or 3rd? He was away most of last season that counts toward it. When he "retired".

What if it was like that in the public sector get popped on a drug test "retire" then come back the next year.

[Snacks]

2nd or 3rd? He was away most of last season that counts toward it. When he "retired".

What if it was like that in the public sector get popped on a drug test "retire" then come back the next year.

no, when he retired it didnt count so if and when he comes back he is supposed to be out 100 games.

[Snoogans]

I thought Mandy's suspension was to be 100 games since this is second time and he already served a 50
Why is it now reported as being 50 again?

MLB gave him a 50 game credit for having missed all of last year. its kinda BS, but, they did it for him

[cougarjake13]

That's bullshit
If its 100 then he should serve it fully

[epo]

link?

and if this is so, wow there could be a huge fallout bc of it

Source: Braun didn't take PED (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html)

A very good source on the Ryan Braun side of the drug testing controversy assures me that Braun did not test positive for a performance-enhancing drug, as reported by ESPN's "Outside the Lines."

ESPN reported that Braun tested positive for a PED that gave him an abnormally high testosterone level, which proved to be synthetic and therefore not produced by the body.

But my source -- and again, this is from Braun's end and not MLB -- familiar with the test's findings says the "prohibited substance" was not a performance-enhancing drug or steroid of any kind. And the source says there has "never" been a result like this in the history of the MLB testing program.

The source said MLB "knows that Ryan is telling the truth" and that source firmly believes the postive test will be overturned. Pretty amazing stuff, huh?

The source said more detail couldn't be provided at this time because of the ongoing legal process. But suffice it to say that this is getting more interesting by the minute. If the prohibited substance wasn't a PED, it still triggered a positive result in MLB's steroid-testing policy.

I'm not sure what to think about this one. But if this report is proven to be false, Ryan Braun should sue ESPN for every penny they've ever made.

[spoon]

Source: Braun didn't take PED (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135405518.html)



I'm not sure what to think about this one. But if this report is proven to be false, Ryan Braun should sue ESPN for every penny they've ever made.

While I agree on the lawsuit if that's true, it's highly unlikely in the end. Sorry eps, but this seems just like every other time someone gets caught at first. Every time it's something slightly new, but ultimately fails eventually.

[Snoogans]

While I agree on the lawsuit if that's true, it's highly unlikely in the end. Sorry eps, but this seems just like every other time someone gets caught at first. Every time it's something slightly new, but ultimately fails eventually.

there is actually something out there sayin his original test and his second test didnt match in terms of body specific traits. they think the lab mixed shit up and the posi test wasnt actually brauns sample