2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[Dude!]

and Reid got another
shot of estrogen
to keep his voice high

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and Reid got another
shot of estrogen
to keep his voice high

I think that's sedatives he takes. He always sounds like he's ready to fall asleep.
Cant they get a more energetic majority leader?

[A.J.]

It is racist because you picked a black person for that without even thinking.

White people don't like free phones?

This one doesn't.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_02uC4ObN3zc/SWv_rbH4AlI/AAAAAAAAAmA/B6RSCZmyP5g/s400/goodfellas_paulie.jpg

[A.J.]

Connecticut is a state filled with idiots and killers. What good is it at this point since they kicked out the Whale? Burn it

That's a good point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Also right now the GOP in the House is killing the Sandy Relief bill.

Wow, what a bunch of shit.

There is a ton of pork in the bill, It should be redone. I'm sure relief bills in the past had pork, but might as well start now.


If we had a better tax system, States could keep more money and have resources to fund their own relief. Red states receive a lot of largesse from the Blue ones. Wanna end that? Reform our fucked up tax laws

[spoon]

state fema again for the block!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This was done right outside the Oval Office. Stay classy, GOP.

Not a big deal, Many presidents were fucking in the oval office.

[spoon]

Not a big deal, Many presidents were fucking in the oval office.

good for them!

fuck off, meet fuck ON!

[A.J.]

This was done right outside the Oval Office. Stay classy, GOP.

It was only a few days before the nation would go over the fiscal cliff, no bipartisan agreement was in sight, and Reid had just publicly accused Boehner of running a “dictatorship” in the House and caring more about holding onto his gavel than striking a deal.


“Go f— yourself,” Boehner sniped as he pointed his finger at Reid, according to multiple sources present.

Reid, a bit startled, replied: “What are you talking about?”

Boehner repeated: “Go f— yourself.”
:laugh:

[hanso]

They also blocked something for farmers now we might have a doubling of the price of milk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I think that was fixed along with the AMT

The farm bill is nothing but corporate welfare , another thing that needs to be shown the door

[WRESTLINGFAN]

One small victory, The House overturned Obamas EO to lift pay freezes for federal workers.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama didn't sign the bill yet. He went back to catch some Rays. Does the president have to be in DC to sign bills or can it be done externally?

[A.J.]

Obama didn't sign the bill yet. He went back to catch some Rays. Does the president have to be in DC to sign bills or can it be done externally?

"He's tan enough".

There, now that that's out of the way, I think he can sign it anywhere provided that it's a hard copy document. Maybe the Congress FedEx'd it to him in Hawaii.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New Congress is tomorrow. I'm sure Biden wishes he was on vaca. He has to swear in the freshmen Senators tomorrow.


I wouldn't be surprised if Boehner doesn't get voted for Speaker or at the very least the 40 or so tea party members vote for someone else.

Boehner was an awful negotiator and when the house was in session, many times it was for voting to name post offices

[Dude!]

Boehner was an awful negotiator and when the house was in session, many times it was for voting to name post offices

he could expand the field
by letting members
name tanning salons

[A.J.]

he could expand the field
by letting members
name tanning salons

"The Barney Frank Tanning Salon." Sounds nice!

[Dude!]

"The Barney Frank Tanning Salon." Sounds nice!

or...

"Sheila Jackson Lee's Tropical Tan"

[epo]

There is a ton of pork in the bill, It should be redone. I'm sure relief bills in the past had pork, but might as well start now.


If we had a better tax system, States could keep more money and have resources to fund their own relief. Red states receive a lot of largesse from the Blue ones. Wanna end that? Reform our fucked up tax laws

If there was unnecessary pork, they should've SOLD THAT. Instead Boehner & Cantor pissed on each other and told the northeast to fuck itself.

[epo]

state fema again for the block!

That is simply the dumbest thing I've heard all day.

States don't have the ability to protect themselves against that level of risk.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If there are FEMA camps, I want to be sent to one in Hawaii

[epo]

If there are FEMA camps, I want to be sent to one in Hawaii

You couldn't go a day without a Hawaii based talking point!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You couldn't go a day without a Hawaii based talking point!



It had nothing to do with Obamas vacation.

If I am going to be interned, I want to be in nice weather

[Kevin]

It had nothing to do with Obamas vacation.

If I am going to be interned, I want to be in nice weather

You could have named the many other nice weather places..

[epo]

You could have named the many other nice weather places..

Why bother, we know why he did it.

[Kevin]

Why bother, we know why he did it.

Hawaii is part of Kenya isn't it?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why bother, we know why he did it.

I'm sure Wisconsin is a nice state, However I don't want to spend winters there. The Northeast is cold enough. Plus youre reading into it too much. Why the hate for Hawaii?


As for better climates. Ive been to Florida many times. My home station was in Cali while in the Marine Corps. Dont want to bake in 120 degree temps in AZ

Our 50th state has great weather and adorned with tons of very nice looking Polynesian and Japanese women. Who wouldn't want to be there?

[Snoogans]

I'm sure Wisconsin is a nice state, However I don't want to spend winters there. The Northeast is cold enough. Plus youre reading into it too much. Why the hate for Hawaii?


As for better climates. Ive been to Florida many times. My home station was in Cali while in the Marine Corps. Dont want to bake in 120 degree temps in AZ

Our 50th state has great weather and adorned with tons of very nice looking Polynesian and Japanese women. Who wouldn't want to be there?

if you want better climate, go west coast or florida. Being stuck on a little ass rock that could explode at any time and is 6 hours away from anything doesnt seem all that ideal to me

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Cali may get the big quake so there's a risk there. My 2nd choice would be San Diego. Best weather in the lower 48. I don't think it's on the San Andreas fault so it might be a good alternative

[keithy_19]

if you want better climate, go west coast or florida. Being stuck on a little ass rock that could explode at any time and is 6 hours away from anything doesnt seem all that ideal to me

It's like you live in suspense all the time. Riveting stuff. KA BOOM!

[spoon]

Hawaii is part of Kenya isn't it?

:wacko:

fuck

kevin just made me laugh

the mayans were only off a few weeks!'

:lol:

[Kevin]

:wacko:

fuck

kevin just made me laugh

the mayans were only off a few weeks!'

:lol:

You laughed at my Zack Morris phone one earlier in the week.

TWICE IN 1 WEEK!

[spoon]

fuck

i did

:wacko:

[hanso]

And they killed the Violence Against Women Act. If Boehner goes down I'm sure they will replace him with someone who wears jack boots.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Our taxdollars are subsidizing violence against women in many of these 3rd world toilets we give buckets of cash to

[hanso]

Have you looked into living at the Vatican? no taxes

[A.J.]

And they killed the Violence Against Women Act.

Alright!

http://vintagesleazepaperbacks.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/slapping-barbara_eden.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Have you looked into living at the Vatican? no taxes

Who said there shouldn't be any taxes? We are taxing for many unconstitutional unnecessary purposes. Handing billions of dollars every year to countries that hate us is one of them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I thought this quote was from the Onion, however Obama actually said this



"While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up," Obama said before he headed to Hawaii to resume an interrupted vacation.


Whoever the speaker is, should tell him that he was addressing the 112th congress and theres a new one convening today and that the President has no power in regards to the debt ceiling. All spending, borrowing is the power of the legislative branch and that the so called constitutionall scholar should actually read the constitution.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Al Gore sells Current to Al Jazeera.

I think they are doing a total revamp. I liked some of the vanguard documentaries current had.




Where's the outrage that he didn't want to pay his fair share? He wanted to get it done by 12/31 but the deal wasn't done until yesterday. People like him always drone about wanting to pay higher taxes but frauds like him and Buffett really hate taxes.

Turns out there were a bunch of goodies in the FC bill doled out to NASCAR, Hollywood and other outlets. Also for every 1 dollar levied in taxes, 41 is spent. I always thought Obama wanted a balanced approach.

[epo]

I thought this quote was from the Onion, however Obama actually said this



"While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up," Obama said before he headed to Hawaii to resume an interrupted vacation.


Whoever the speaker is, should tell him that he was addressing the 112th congress and theres a new one convening today and that the President has no power in regards to the debt ceiling. All spending, borrowing is the power of the legislative branch and that the so called constitutionall scholar should actually read the constitution.

It's what they call "posturing" in the art of politics. It's quite the magical trick.

[spoon]

Al Gore sells Current to Al Jazeera.

I think they are doing a total revamp. I liked some of the vanguard documentaries current had.




Where's the outrage that he didn't want to pay his fair share? He wanted to get it done by 12/31 but the deal wasn't done until yesterday. People like him always drone about wanting to pay higher taxes but frauds like him and Buffett really hate taxes.


yes yes, they can't be for a fair plan/base structure and not want to save money where possible via legal means under said plans

they should just up and pay extra as you have said in the past...bc they are pro taxes, just like pro-choice is really pro-abortion. same shit right constitutional scholar?

for fuck's sake

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes, they can't be for a fair plan/base structure and not want to save money where possible via legal means under said plans

they should just up and pay extra as you have said in the past...bc they are pro taxes, just like pro-choice is really pro-abortion. same shit right constitutional scholar?

for fuck's sake

:wallbash:



Higher taxes are for thy wretched peasants. That's the point


I remember you said you didn't vote for Obama but you sound like his biggest surrogate


John Spoonunu

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Gore should stay on as a consultant. Maybe change his name to HalAl Gore

[spoon]

Higher taxes are for thy wretched peasants. That's the point


I remember you said you didn't vote for Obama but you sound like his biggest surrogate


John Spoonunu

oh sure, in your eyes not blaming Obama for all the world's ills would come off that way

you're a biased cunt, so there's that

especially since this was about Buffet and Gore/taxes right!?

right back to obama mannnnnn!

[spoon]

Gore should stay on as a consultant. Maybe change his name to HalAl Gore

wonder where you stole that awful joke from?


terrible

[Kevin]

Have you looked into living at the Vatican? no taxes


Im pretty sure they get free phones too.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

oh sure, in your eyes not blaming Obama for all the world's ills would come off that way

you're a biased cunt, so there's that

especially since this was about Buffet and Gore/taxes right!?

right back to obama mannnnnn!



So bias is calling out 2 of many frauds droning on about wanting to pay higher taxes but does everything to prevent them from paying?


You just don't get it

[Kevin]

wonder where you stole that awful joke from?


terrible

When he tells us where he got it, I hope he doesn't spare us the.... Gorey details.

Badum bum.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wonder where you stole that awful joke from?


terrible

Nowhere !!! that was my own

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I know a lot of people are going to be mad about this however most people don't know that one of the Saudi Princes owns a ton of equity in NewsCorp

[spoon]

So mad...rolls eyes

[A.J.]

I know a lot of people are going to be mad about this however most people don't know that one of the Saudi Princes owns a ton of equity in NewsCorp

Prince Alwalid bin Talal.

[spoon]

So bias is calling out 2 of many frauds droning on about wanting to pay higher taxes but does everything to prevent them from paying?


You just don't get it

Nope, for once u are right, i do not.

Yoy simply make zero sense...so yeah, there's that.

I pay my fair share of taxes, yet use all the deductions i can legally too. Just bc i want balance and appropriate (in my eyes) tax rates, doesn't mean I won't utilize the same avenues allotted us via said system currently. My "extra" payment would just be stupid in the grand scheme of things, as would even buffet's and others bc it isn't fixing a system and makes zero sense...like u normally manage. Fraud huh? U r hilariously stupid at this point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Nope, for once u are right, i do not.

Yoy simply make zero sense...so yeah, there's that.

I pay my fair share of taxes, yet use all the deductions i can legally too. Just bc i want balance and appropriate (in my eyes) tax rates, doesn't mean I won't utilize the same avenues allotted us via said system currently. My "extra" payment would just be stupid in the grand scheme of things, as would even buffet's and others bc it isn't fixing a system and makes zero sense...like u normally manage. Fraud huh? U r hilariously stupid at this point.

No Spoonunu

Saying you want higher taxes but doing everything to avoid paying them is being a fraud


The making a voluntary extra payment is valid. It's called setting an example. It's just like all the rich whites who tout public education and hate guns but send their kids to the most lavish private schools.


Not surprising you fail to recognize that

[hanso]

Alright!

http://vintagesleazepaperbacks.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/slapping-barbara_eden.jpg

i miss j-smurf

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Slight correction.

For every dollar cut, there is a $41 increase in spending.


Since there are really no cuts and the way they explain a cut ,really isnt a cut so its still unbalanced and DC fuzzy accounting.


Boehner reelected as speaker. Obama has 2 more years to use him as his orange pinata.

[hanso]

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Boehner getting swarn in got the hankie handie

[A.J.]

14 Republicans didn't vote for him.

[epo]

During the 112th Congress the House voted 33 times, wasting an estimated $50 million to overturn the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Not one jobs bill was passed.

To kick of the 113th Congress, the first bill introduced for submission was the repeal of Obamacare by Michelle Bachmann.

There might be zero hope for mankind.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There was a lot of useless time spent in the House like naming post offices, However the Senate doesn't get off so easy.


No budget passed in over 1300 days and tons of bills Tabled by Reid.


Both houses need to be steamrolled, Enough of this career politicians and lavish benefits and staffers. We should not have a full time congress.


Repeal the 17th amendment would be a good start.

[brettmojo]

I thought this quote was from the Onion, however Obama actually said this



"While I will negotiate over many things, I will not have another debate with this Congress about whether or not they should pay the bills they have already racked up," Obama said before he headed to Hawaii to resume an interrupted vacation.


Whoever the speaker is, should tell him that he was addressing the 112th congress and theres a new one convening today and that the President has no power in regards to the debt ceiling. All spending, borrowing is the power of the legislative branch and that the so called constitutionall scholar should actually read the constitution.

During the 112th Congress the House voted 33 times, wasting an estimated $50 million to overturn the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare). Not one jobs bill was passed.

To kick of the 113th Congress, the first bill introduced for submission was the repeal of Obamacare by Michelle Bachmann.

There might be zero hope for mankind.

New congress... Same old shit smell.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

New congress... Same old shit smell.

Exactly, look who gets reelected, Pelosi, Waters, Rangel,Issa, King and others


Idiot voters keep electing Tax deadbeats, Impeached judges and other dregs

[spoon]

No Spoonunu

Saying you want higher taxes but doing everything to avoid paying them is being a fraud


The making a voluntary extra payment is valid. It's called setting an example. It's just like all the rich whites who tout public education and hate guns but send their kids to the most lavish private schools.


Not surprising you fail to recognize that

yes yes, I do fail to recognize that some people send kids to private schools for religious reasons, among others. I also fail to recognize that sending a kid to private schools doesn't mean you don't want and benefit from good public schools overall. And finally, hating guns and sending to private schools huh? Ok, lavish point.

[spoon]

There was a lot of useless time spent in the House like naming post offices, However the Senate doesn't get off so easy.


No budget passed in over 1300 days and tons of bills Tabled by Reid.


Both houses need to be steamrolled, Enough of this career politicians and lavish benefits and staffers. We should not have a full time congress.


Repeal the 17th amendment would be a good start.

Looks like we have our word of the day from WF's 5th grade calendar...

[Kevin]

Orange Crocodile tears!

[hanso]

14 Republicans didn't vote for him.

5 more would have done him in. 2 yahoo's voted for alan west who was done in himself last election.

[NickyL0885]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/470/926/333.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Looks like we have our word of the day from WF's 5th grade calendar...

That's why you accept big bloated gov't. As a loyal subject you condone the massive wealth transfer to inept politicians just to dole out with almost no accountability.

[epo]

There was a lot of useless time spent in the House like naming post offices, However the Senate doesn't get off so easy.


No budget passed in over 1300 days and tons of bills Tabled by Reid.


Both houses need to be steamrolled, Enough of this career politicians and lavish benefits and staffers. We should not have a full time congress.


Repeal the 17th amendment would be a good start.

Repealing the 17th Amendment is a horrible idea.

Seriously just hideous.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Repealing the 17th Amendment is a horrible idea.

Seriously just hideous.

We already have a chamber that reps the people. It would be a step in a better direction.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barney Frank, leaves the House and now wants to spend time in the Senate. It's not abot public service with these people. It's all about power


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/barney-frank-senate_n_2408519.html

[spoon]

That's why you accept big bloated gov't. As a loyal subject you condone the massive wealth transfer to inept politicians just to dole out with almost no accountability.

sure thing wf...that's what I accept

versus just not accepting your completely idiot takes on said issues

:wacko:

[spoon]

Barney Frank, leaves the House and now wants to spend time in the Senate. It's not abot public service with these people. It's all about power


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/barney-frank-senate_n_2408519.html

power to help people

[spoon]

i never realized how much the wake logo worked for wf...it's exactly how I'd picture him based on his posts alone. Kind of like a younger dspy mixed with the monopoly man and hate for all but those that look like him or once did.

http://aeryssports.com/dancing-blue-devils/files/2012/03/wf-logo.jpg

:lol:

[Furtherman]

i never realized how much the wake logo worked for wf...it's exactly how I'd picture him based on his posts alone. Kind of like a younger dspy mixed with the monopoly man and hate for all but those that look like him or once did.

http://aeryssports.com/dancing-blue-devils/files/2012/03/wf-logo.jpg

:lol:

:clap:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

i never realized how much the wake logo worked for wf...it's exactly how I'd picture him based on his posts alone. Kind of like a younger dspy mixed with the monopoly man and hate for all but those that look like him or once did.

http://aeryssports.com/dancing-blue-devils/files/2012/03/wf-logo.jpg

:lol:

Get your eyes checked.


My avatar is looks nothing like your dopey Wake Forest reference

[WRESTLINGFAN]

sure thing wf...that's what I accept

versus just not accepting your completely idiot takes on said issues

:wacko:

Yes it's what you accept.

Just like with the TSA. It's just how things are

[spoon]

Get your eyes checked.


My avatar is looks nothing like your dopey Wake Forest reference

well then take tuxxy rob schneider out of your avatar

YOU CAN DOOOOO IT!

[spoon]

and for the record, I look EXACTLY like my avatar

it's an unwritten rule that you do


right hanso....ya pussy!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

power to help people

He could get a nice cushy job at Fannie or Freddie

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and for the record, I look EXACTLY like my avatar

it's an unwritten rule that you do


right hanso....ya pussy!

Or maybe youre just a bit fishy with a bird brain.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well then take tuxxy rob schneider out of your avatar

YOU CAN DOOOOO IT!

Oh McSpoon you done it again.


You need your eyes checked

[epo]

We already have a chamber that reps the people. It would be a step in a better direction.

Repealing the 17th Amendment would be idiotic an your rationale is childish.

Reps are based off of artificial lines put into place by politicians. Those ate gerrymandered to the hilt and the Senate is a balance to that system. Being against the 17th is totally accepting the premise that "business as usual" is perfectly fine.

The irony of your stance on this non-issue is hilarious.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Repealing the 17th Amendment would be idiotic an your rationale is childish.

Reps are based off of artificial lines put into place by politicians. Those ate gerrymandered to the hilt and the Senate is a balance to that system. Being against the 17th is totally accepting the premise that "business as usual" is perfectly fine.

The irony of your stance on this non-issue is hilarious.

I guess you forgot to mention what the purpose of the House and Senate are for and which each chambers duties are.

Want less politicians being bought and paid for by corporations and special interests? Repealing of the 17th amendment is a start

[hanso]

Get your eyes checked.


My avatar is looks nothing like your dopey Wake Forest reference

Thats the captive you have locked away in basement

and for the record, I look EXACTLY like my avatar

it's an unwritten rule that you do


right hanso....ya pussy!

Lol..everyone like sky dive cat?

[epo]

I guess you forgot to mention what the purpose of the House and Senate are for and which each chambers duties are.

Want less politicians being bought and paid for by corporations and special interests? Repealing of the 17th amendment is a start

That's such bullshit. What you are essentially saying is that the public isn't good enough to vote for their electeds.

Instead, you want appointed officials to represent you & vote on legislation. That's just fucking stupid.

And it rewards business as usual. Politicians who select their voters by gerrymandering district lines would get to piss on the will of the people in state wide elections. That's just fucking ludricious.

[spoon]

I guess you forgot to mention what the purpose of the House and Senate are for and which each chambers duties are.

Want less politicians being bought and paid for by corporations and special interests? Repealing of the 17th amendment is a start

yah, just make it easier via less sheer numbers versus actual laws against it

good one

[A.J.]

That's such bullshit. What you are essentially saying is that the public isn't good enough to vote for their electeds.

Instead, you want appointed officials to represent you & vote on legislation. That's just fucking stupid.

And it rewards business as usual. Politicians who select their voters by gerrymandering district lines would get to piss on the will of the people in state wide elections. That's just fucking ludricious.

So, Governors shouldn't appoint people to fill vacant Congressional seats?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's such bullshit. What you are essentially saying is that the public isn't good enough to vote for their electeds.

Instead, you want appointed officials to represent you & vote on legislation. That's just fucking stupid.

And it rewards business as usual. Politicians who select their voters by gerrymandering district lines would get to piss on the will of the people in state wide elections. That's just fucking ludricious.

People can already directly elect their house members. If the Senate would have their Senators appointed by state legislatures, there probably wouldnt be gerrymandering

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah, just make it easier via less sheer numbers versus actual laws against it

good one

House is supposed to represent the people. Senate represents states


Comprende Ingles?

[epo]

So, Governors shouldn't appoint people to fill vacant Congressional seats?

That's a state issue. I actually like the Massachusetts model of a temporary appointment to ensure the continuation of business & calling a special election quickly.

[epo]

People can already directly elect their house members. If the Senate would have their Senators appointed by state legislatures, there probably wouldnt be gerrymandering

That's just stupid. State legislatures aren't gerrymandered?

Let me know when that happened, because I sure in the hell didn't see it this past cycle.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's a state issue. I actually like the Massachusetts model of a temporary appointment to ensure the continuation of business & calling a special election quickly.



Tenther

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's just stupid. State legislatures aren't gerrymandered?

Let me know when that happened, because I sure in the hell didn't see it this past cycle.

all of the money from corporations and outside money could be the reason why.


I happen to agree with progressives on issues like this. Simplify donations and kill the shadow money.

If The 17th amendment was repealed , there probably would not be all these filibusters and gridlock.


Why simplify anything? Lets keep the clusterfuck going

[hanso]

That's such bullshit. What you are essentially saying is that the public isn't good enough to vote for their electeds.

Instead, you want appointed officials to represent you & vote on legislation. That's just fucking stupid.

And it rewards business as usual. Politicians who select their voters by gerrymandering district lines would get to piss on the will of the people in state wide elections. That's just fucking ludricious.

Think this already happened almost 2 Mil. more votes for Dems in house and it stayed about the same i think.

[epo]

all of the money from corporations and outside money could be the reason why.


I happen to agree with progressives on issues like this. Simplify donations and kill the shadow money.

If The 17th amendment was repealed , there probably would not be all these filibusters and gridlock.


Why simplify anything? Lets keep the clusterfuck going

I'm in agreement that we should kill the dark money. However I don't see how repealing the 17th Amendment is going to change that. In fact, all it would do is drive the dark money into other races & create new corruption/cronyism for those being appointed.

[Dude!]

I'm in agreement that we should kill the darkies...

i believe that is what
you meant to say

[epo]

Think this already happened almost 2 Mil. more votes for Dems in house and it stayed about the same i think.

So lets look at WF's idea in application.

In Wisconsin, we just had a Senate race in which Tammy Baldwin (D) defeated Tommy Thompson (R) by 5%.

In this state, we just had assembly races in which the D's received 200K more votes than the R's. However due to skillfull gerrymandering the R's control the assembly 60-39. (It's really good districting --- gotta give them credit).

So that legislature, which a majority of the people do not support would appoint a candidate which the majority of the people did not support.

See my problem with this idea?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm in agreement that we should kill the dark money. However I don't see how repealing the 17th Amendment is going to change that. In fact, all it would do is drive the dark money into other races & create new corruption/cronyism for those being appointed.

Im not dismissing the dark money on a state level but the cronyism is more on a federal one. Companies like Cargill, ADM and others benefit more from the feds.

Also If the 17th amendment was repealed it might drive out people on extremes of both parties. Jeff Sessions and Barbara Boxer probably wouldnt be Senators

There would be more Scott Browns and Evan Bayehs

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So lets look at WF's idea in application.

In Wisconsin, we just had a Senate race in which Tammy Baldwin (D) defeated Tommy Thompson (R) by 5%.

In this state, we just had assembly races in which the D's received 200K more votes than the R's. However due to skillfull gerrymandering the R's control the assembly 60-39. (It's really good districting --- gotta give them credit).

So that legislature, which a majority of the people do not support would appoint a candidate which the majority of the people did not support.

See my problem with this idea?

If all the outside money could be prevented, then situations like that wont happen. Elections would be more fair and honest.

[epo]

Im not dismissing the dark money on a state level but the cronyism is more on a federal one. Companies like Cargill, ADM and others benefit more from the feds.

Also If the 17th amendment was repealed it might drive out people on extremes of both parties. Jeff Sessions and Barbara Boxer probably wouldnt be Senators

There would be more Scott Browns and Evan Bayehs

Your analysis couldn't be more wrong.

If legislatures were allowed to appoint, moderates like Jon Tester & Mark Kirk wouldn't have a chance.

Instead you'd have extremes on both sides. More Jim DeMints and Diane Feinsteins.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Your analysis couldn't be more wrong.

If legislatures were allowed to appoint, moderates like Jon Tester & Mark Kirk wouldn't have a chance.

Instead you'd have extremes on both sides. More Jim DeMints and Diane Feinsteins.

I disagree.


Look at a state like NY.

Once you get out of NYC and the Suburbs theres a lot of people who arent democrats, thus the legislature being balanced

[hanso]

If all the outside money could be prevented, then situations like that wont happen. Elections would be more fair and honest.

Then go after dark money not the voting process

[epo]

Then go after dark money not the voting process

Two things should be addressed in the system: dark money & partisan redistributing. Those are two simple fundamental changes which would improve our political system immediately.

[hanso]

Fix peoples united & reform super pacs

[epo]

Fix peoples united & reform super pacs

That's gonna take a different make-up of the Supreme Vourt than we have now.

Control of the court was the underlying issue of the POTUS election.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the US was a direct Democracy then popular elections for POTUS and the Senate would be valid.


We are not so thats why the founders had the house popularly elected and the others not by popular vote.


If anyone wants a democracy, fine . Call for an Article V convention.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's gonna take a different make-up of the Supreme Vourt than we have now.

Control of the court was the underlying issue of the POTUS election.

I can see 2 more appointments.


Ginsburg isn't in the best health and I think Breyer is up there in age

[epo]

I can see 2 more appointments.


Ginsburg isn't in the best health and I think Breyer is up there in age

Ginsburg is 79 and reportedly ill. Everything thinks she'll retire soon.

Then we have Scalia, age 76 - Kennedy, age 76 - Breyer, age 74.

If Scalia or Kennedy retire, Citizens United is dead.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obama officially reelected today as congress validates all 330 Electoral votes

[WRESTLINGFAN]

House passes 9.7 aid bill for Sandy

At least 3 billion won't go to the affected area

Pork should be the other white meat and not doled out in aid packages

[epo]

House passes 9.7 aid bill for Sandy

At least 3 billion won't go to the affected area

Pork should be the other white meat and not doled out in aid packages

Do you have a link on what's in the bill?

This is a House GOP bill that they claimed was "clean" of pork.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I saw the article on Forbes. I wasn't aware that the house took out the pork


If it was cleaned up maybe the house took it out today

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Just heard all the no votes came from mostly tea party GOP

The pork might still be in there

[epo]

I saw the article on Forbes. I wasn't aware that the house took out the pork


If it was cleaned up maybe the house took it out today

It appears to be a straight payment to the federal emergency insurance program to cover legitimate claims & cash for governments for cleanup.

[epo]

Just heard all the no votes came from mostly tea party GOP

The pork might still be in there

I hardly call Tom Petri (R-Wi) a tea party guy. It mostly looks like an anti-spending vote from states which don't understand hurricane coverage.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Maybe they don't like them northeast librulz

[epo]

Maybe they don't like them northeast librulz

There is a great irony to Paul Ryan's no vote --- he pushed for drought tried this past summer for WI farmers.

Pot meet kettle.

[spoon]

House is supposed to represent the people. Senate represents states


Comprende Ingles?

represent the state for who? the black shadowy figure behind the curtain? Oh wait, the people of that state's best interest, whether originally intended to be elected by the people or not. and as for your bullshit notion that it would take away politics as usual and buying interests...yah well

Before the passage of the Seventeenth Amendment, senators were elected by the individual state legislatures. However, problems with repeated vacant seats due to the inability of a legislature to elect senators, intrastate political struggles, and even bribery and intimidation gradually led to a growing movement to amend the Constitution to allow for the direct election of senators.

[spoon]

all of the money from corporations and outside money could be the reason why.


I happen to agree with progressives on issues like this. Simplify donations and kill the shadow money.

If The 17th amendment was repealed , there probably would not be all these filibusters and gridlock.


Why simplify anything? Lets keep the clusterfuck going

yah, no problems would occur at all...read above and learn from history

if anything should be changed to me, it would be 2 senators from North Dakota and Wyoming having an equal say as states like New York, California and Texas. Sorry, it surely isn't a good system with the population disparity, financial influence and overall production and needs of this country being so concentrated and the representation in the more powerful house being equal still regardless. Sure it brings up other issues and I admit it's not as simple as I suggest to change it, but it's a serious need or area of concern at the least. NOT having the senate controlled by state gov versus the people is dead wrong to me...something libertarian WF sure gets behind here huh?! seems off no?

[spoon]

I'm in agreement that we should kill the dark money. However I don't see how repealing the 17th Amendment is going to change that. In fact, all it would do is drive the dark money into other races & create new corruption/cronyism for those being appointed.

ding ding ding

as usual, wf is bat shit insane

[spoon]

Im not dismissing the dark money on a state level but the cronyism is more on a federal one. Companies like Cargill, ADM and others benefit more from the feds.

Also If the 17th amendment was repealed it might drive out people on extremes of both parties. Jeff Sessions and Barbara Boxer probably wouldnt be Senators

There would be more Scott Browns and Evan Bayehs

seriously

do you even believe the shit you post?

you're unreal at this point

[spoon]

I disagree.


Look at a state like NY.

Once you get out of NYC and the Suburbs theres a lot of people who arent democrats, thus the legislature being balanced

and there it is, he thinks it gives the GOP a better shot in states dominated by cities and their populations of people who don't look like an uglier version of Rob Schneider's older white twin brother

fuck the overall will of the people based on numbers, let it be based MORE on gerrymandered bullshit and the spread of values, not equal voice

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Photo (Sh)op



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/nancy-pelosi-defends-doctored-photo-women-congress-174037761--election.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CT2ZudQ5mEAE97QtDMD

[spoon]

Ginsburg is 79 and reportedly ill. Everything thinks she'll retire soon.

Then we have Scalia, age 76 - Kennedy, age 76 - Breyer, age 74.

If Scalia or Kennedy retire, Citizens United is dead.

one can only fucking hope

soon

i just don't want that ass Scalia back in west caldwell

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yah, no problems would occur at all...read above and learn from history

if anything should be changed to me, it would be 2 senators from North Dakota and Wyoming having an equal say as states like New York, California and Texas. Sorry, it surely isn't a good system with the population disparity, financial influence and overall production and needs of this country being so concentrated and the representation in the more powerful house being equal still regardless. Sure it brings up other issues and I admit it's not as simple as I suggest to change it, but it's a serious need or area of concern at the least. NOT having the senate controlled by state gov versus the people is dead wrong to me...something libertarian WF sure gets behind here huh?! seems off no?

Again thats why theres the house. CA has more reps than NH due to population. How can you not follow logic.


The house reps the people Senate the states.


I cant be more clear than that.


Want to get rid of the Senate? Move to amend the constitution

[WRESTLINGFAN]

seriously

do you even believe the shit you post?

you're unreal at this point

You still don't understand.


Logic suffers another defeat

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ding ding ding

as usual, wf is bat shit insane

You dont understand. New Year, Same Spoon

[spoon]

You still don't understand.


Logic suffers another defeat

sure it does...every time you post

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Change your Sig.


Norv was fired.


No wonder you are all fucked up. Living in NJ but go for the Chargers and Jays. Are you originally from Canada? Then that would carry some weight about having a hardon for them

[spoon]

Again thats why theres the house. CA has more reps than NH due to population. How can you not follow logic.


The house reps the people Senate the states.


I cant be more clear than that.


Want to get rid of the Senate? Move to amend the constitution

again you dumb fuck

they represent the STATE, not their CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT as part of said state FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAID STATE

unless of course you now add state to corporation being people there mitt

[spoon]

You dont understand. New Year, Same Spoon

yes yes wf, you've repeated yourself 40 times already parrot boy in every way

i agreed with epo by the way, so same old everyone hating on idiot WF...but why take notes

but keep making shit up as to how it would lessen corruption when in fact it would do the opposite and history is proof.

same old WF, fucking idiot

[spoon]

Change your Sig.






no

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again you dumb fuck

they represent the STATE, not their CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT as part of said state FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAID STATE

unless of course you now add state to corporation being people there mitt

Youre the dummy.


Read the constitution. You fail basic civics and civility.

[spoon]

Photo (Sh)op



http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/nancy-pelosi-defends-doctored-photo-women-congress-174037761--election.html;_ylt=A2KJ3CT2ZudQ5mEAE97QtDMD

cute (awful)

and who the fuck cares

[WRESTLINGFAN]

yes yes wf, you've repeated yourself 40 times already parrot boy in every way

i agreed with epo by the way, so same old everyone hating on idiot WF...but why take notes

but keep making shit up as to how it would lessen corruption when in fact it would do the opposite and history is proof.

same old WF, fucking idiot

Yes, the Senate is void of corruption. Do you even listen to yourself?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

cute (awful)

and who the fuck cares

Politicians being dishonest even for a photo.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How does it work for the Senate in regards to Maj ldr ? Does he get voted in like the Speaker does?


Reid is useless. Can't they pick someone better like Durbin?

[spoon]

Yes, the Senate is void of corruption. Do you even listen to yourself?

listen to myself as only YOU say the above

good work genius

do you just enjoy making shit up/ignoring words like "lessen"?

I know the answer so don't bother you ignorant stupid fuckwad.

[spoon]

Politicians being dishonest even for a photo.

it was introduced with it being pointed out you dumb cunt

do you even read the shit you post!?

again, don't answer that as you can't even comprehend the shit you read here...case and point your recent post on corruption in the senate and the bullshit you just put in people's mouths.

A Pelosi spokesman attached a message to the picture, noting it had been altered to add lawmakers who arrived late.
When asked about it Friday, Pelosi defended the practice.
"It was an accurate historical record of who the Democratic women of Congress are," she said during her weekly Capitol Hill press briefing.

Again, WF makes up shit and makes it more than it ever was or could be. Yep, so important and matters soooo much.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

listen to myself as only YOU say the above

good work genius

do you just enjoy making shit up/ignoring words like "lessen"?

I know the answer so don't bother you ignorant stupid fuckwad.

You are the know nothing that doesn't understand basic civics.


A little less George Bell and A little more George Mason in your youth might have fixed that.

[spoon]

Yes, the Senate is void of corruption. Do you even listen to yourself?

I'm sorry, this one is just cracking me up right now!

WF is fucking unbelievably stupid and an AWFUL debater in every way.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

so you think kids should be sacrificed to their gods again you say WF!?

do you even listen to yourself!?

:lol::lol:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it was introduced with it being pointed out you dumb cunt

do you even read the shit you post!?

again, don't answer that as you can't even comprehend the shit you read here...case and point your recent post on corruption in the senate and the bullshit you just put in people's mouths.



Again, WF makes up shit and makes it more than it ever was or could be. Yep, so important and matters soooo much.

Pelosi spun that. She was called out on Hardball for the photo shop.

[spoon]

You are the know nothing that doesn't understand basic civics.


A little less George Bell and A little more George Mason in your youth might have fixed that.

your still an idiot, no matter how loud and how often you repeat yourself

[WRESTLINGFAN]

I'm sorry, this one is just cracking me up right now!

WF is fucking unbelievably stupid and an AWFUL debater in every way.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

so you think kids should be sacrificed to their gods again you say WF!?

do you even listen to yourself!?

:lol::lol:

Your lack of knowledge of basic civics is nothing to laugh at.

[spoon]

Pelosi spun that. She was called out on Hardball for the photo shop.

even is so, DO NOT CARE!

which I highly doubt based on the article YOU POSTED, DON'T CARE

it's STUPID

[WRESTLINGFAN]

your still an idiot, no matter how loud and how often you repeat yourself

And you still lack basic civics and understanding of what the house and senate does.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

even is so, DO NOT CARE!

which I highly doubt based on the article YOU POSTED, DON'T CARE

it's STUPID

That's your cavalier attitude to everything. YOU DON'T CARE


How many times will you say that Howard Spern?

[spoon]

Your lack of knowledge of basic civics is nothing to laugh at.

again, nothing but repetition, no substance

show the world versus your bullshit

show me how states are people and the fact the people DO vote in the Senate they are not beholding to them

show me SOMETHING, no ANYTHING versus your bullshit point on basic civics...which would not apply to the senate you fuck if you were right. so in the end, you're still an idiot, even when grasping at diarrhea arguments the seep out your ass (mouth)

[spoon]

That's your cavalier attitude to everything. YOU DON'T CARE


How many times will you say that Howard Spern?

on this particular piece of garbage? every time you attack it like an idiot

and now you don't even wait to copy the attacks...nice work fool

HOW MANY TIMES INDEED PARROT!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again, nothing but repetition, no substance

show the world versus your bullshit

show me how states are people and the fact the people DO vote in the Senate they are not beholding to them

show me SOMETHING, no ANYTHING versus your bullshit point on basic civics...which would not apply to the senate you fuck if you were right. so in the end, you're still an idiot, even when grasping at diarrhea arguments the seep out your ass (mouth)

States are comprised of people.


States are larger than districts.


All your idiotic lines of what you might do at scat parties still doesn't validate your basic knowledge if how our republic works.

[spoon]

and wow

talk about just killing a bad joke till it's dead

howard spern

just fucking stupid awful

after all, you can't get awful without wf




:bye:

[spoon]

States are comprised of people.


States are larger than districts.


All your idiotic lines of what you might do at scat parties still doesn't validate your basic knowledge if how our republic works.

keep going true constitutional scholar of earth 2

[WRESTLINGFAN]

keep going true constitutional scholar of earth 2


That would be POTUS.

[spoon]

what next?

the US is composed of states....and by the way, I'm sure there are plenty of districts bigger than a few states like RI. wrong again fucktool

elephants are larger than mice

mice like cheese

do elephants eat cheese?

[spoon]

That would be POTUS.

yah, that's the joke's basis you fuck

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Read your constitution specifically Article I


Do you want to shitcan the Senate? If so get the ball rolling.

[spoon]

Read your constitution specifically Article I


Do you want to shitcan the Senate? If so get the ball rolling.

don't need to

and no, I don't

you still fail to back up anything

[WRESTLINGFAN]

don't need to

and no, I don't

you still fail to back up anything

That explains everything.


I backed up all my arguments. I have a 200 + year old document to prove it.

[razorboy]

I have a 200 + year old document to prove it.

Dspy's birth certificate?

[Snoogans]

ok im gonna attempt to end this argument by moving to a new topic and probably starting a new argument.

What do you guys think of popular vote deciding who is president and throwing out the electoral college and why do you think that way?

I think Bill O'Reilly said he was against it cause then the liberal cities would decide all the elections. but the states that have the biggest liberal cities get the most electoral votes and so it kinda already works that way anyway. if there is enough people in those cities to wash out all the other area combined, then it would already wash them out in the electoral cause it would bring enough numbers to carry the state anyway.

I think they should just have it be popular vote, knock off this whole electoral college bullshit. every single other election is done by popular vote, including house and senate, which lets be honest, are WAY more important than the president is in terms of shit actually happening.

[Snoogans]

yah, no problems would occur at all...read above and learn from history

if anything should be changed to me, it would be 2 senators from North Dakota and Wyoming having an equal say as states like New York, California and Texas. Sorry, it surely isn't a good system with the population disparity, financial influence and overall production and needs of this country being so concentrated and the representation in the more powerful house being equal still regardless. Sure it brings up other issues and I admit it's not as simple as I suggest to change it, but it's a serious need or area of concern at the least. NOT having the senate controlled by state gov versus the people is dead wrong to me...something libertarian WF sure gets behind here huh?! seems off no?

wait why is the senate more powerful than the house? dont you need both for everything? Isnt their power 50/50?
Again thats why theres the house. CA has more reps than NH due to population. How can you not follow logic.


The house reps the people Senate the states.


I cant be more clear than that.


Want to get rid of the Senate? Move to amend the constitution


again you dumb fuck

they represent the STATE, not their CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT as part of said state FOR THE PEOPLE OF SAID STATE

unless of course you now add state to corporation being people there mitt
i think what spoon is saying is that the more powerful states control congress cause they have more people, and he doesnt understand why the senate shouldnt be the same way. If the people gives us more influence on one side, why shouldnt it give us more influence on the other side.

I see the point, but the problem I have with that is you take away the checks on those states. if NY, NJ, Ca and say Floridas house reps all got together on something, it would be VERY HARD to find enough votes from the other side to stop them from passing it. The problem if you weighted the senate the same way is then you could have a few states essentially controlling everything.

the way it is now, the other states have enough power through the senate to stop the few big states from gettin overzealous, while the big states still have enough influence to lean on the smaller states to go there way and get shit done.

i think thinks would just get MORE fucked up if we let the 5 biggest states run everything.

[Snoogans]

i actually was thinkin about something that i wanna get opinions on of the people here. right now we give power to the states in terms of reps based on population. What if we delegated the power based on money for the Union. I watched some dumb 2 min video on youtube about whether Texas could actually leave the Union and survive on its own. And it gave this bit on info:

Washington, Oregon, Nevada, California, Colorado, Texas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Florida, NY, NJ, Connecticut, Mass, and NH all pay more money into the federal government than they receive from them in aid. (essentially, it was to say they could all survive on their own and do as well as, if not better, than they do right now as states.).

The rest get more money then they pay in.

In my opinion, the ones who pay more in should have WAY more say in what happens with said money than the ones who actually take more than they give. I would do it that way

here is that video, its kinda funny

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/S92fTz_-kQE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[spoon]

That explains everything.


I backed up all my arguments. I have a 200 + year old document to prove it.

it explains everything indeed...meaning I plenty on top of the subject matter and have no need to review based on your idiocy

you have that same doc proving you wrong fucko

again...still waiting

show me the light, versus a continual shit storm of wf tripe

[spoon]

Dspy's birth certificate?

200 hardly covers it

[spoon]

ok im gonna attempt to end this argument by moving to a new topic and probably starting a new argument.

What do you guys think of popular vote deciding who is president and throwing out the electoral college and why do you think that way?

I think Bill O'Reilly said he was against it cause then the liberal cities would decide all the elections. but the states that have the biggest liberal cities get the most electoral votes and so it kinda already works that way anyway. if there is enough people in those cities to wash out all the other area combined, then it would already wash them out in the electoral cause it would bring enough numbers to carry the state anyway.

I think they should just have it be popular vote, knock off this whole electoral college bullshit. every single other election is done by popular vote, including house and senate, which lets be honest, are WAY more important than the president is in terms of shit actually happening.

pop vote fan here

the electoral college keeps states in line for some love overall, bc without it, nobody would waste much time in Wyoming, the Dakotas and the like. elections would be dominated by the moderate to extremely populated areas of country that show up and vote. so there is a reason for the way we work the senate and the electoral college, this is just one of those reasons despite my feelings. to me, the voice of the people overall is the key, not segmented and then tallied artificially even when linked to population when we could just cut out the middle man, but the smaller states would absolutely hate this idea

another good aspect of this though would be the effect on swing states during election cycles, as they would no longer dominate and take from the overall US needs and issues.

The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men.

that's some of the thinking behind electors and other ideas instead of the popular vote. it's a disgusting take, yet unfortunately very true. yet what's the difference at this point?

[spoon]

wait why is the senate more powerful than the house? dont you need both for everything? Isnt their power 50/50?



to me 1/100th a voice in the Senate is much more powerful than 1/435th, so in that respect alone it's more powerful. also, they have different powers and are set in a basic check on each other overall, yet the Senate is more distinguished. sure the house has its powers as well, but once again, 1/435th a voice...when everyone gives a shit to actually vote.

The Senate is both a more deliberative and more prestigious body than the House of Representatives, due to its longer terms, smaller size, and statewide constituencies, which historically led to a more collegial and less partisan atmosphere. The Senate is sometimes called the "world's greatest deliberative body."

[Snoogans]

to me 1/100th a voice in the Senate is much more powerful than 1/435th, so in that respect alone it's more powerful. also, they have different powers and are set in a basic check on each other overall, yet the Senate is more distinguished. sure the house has its powers as well, but once again, 1/435th a voice...when everyone gives a shit to actually vote.

ok i see how you meant. You meant that a person has more power being a senator than being a rep. But the overall house and senate are basically the same

[spoon]

i think what spoon is saying is that the more powerful states control congress cause they have more people, and he doesnt understand why the senate shouldnt be the same way. If the people gives us more influence on one side, why shouldnt it give us more influence on the other side.

I see the point, but the problem I have with that is you take away the checks on those states. if NY, NJ, Ca and say Floridas house reps all got together on something, it would be VERY HARD to find enough votes from the other side to stop them from passing it. The problem if you weighted the senate the same way is then you could have a few states essentially controlling everything.

the way it is now, the other states have enough power through the senate to stop the few big states from gettin overzealous, while the big states still have enough influence to lean on the smaller states to go there way and get shit done.

i think thinks would just get MORE fucked up if we let the 5 biggest states run everything.

nah i understand WHY the senate was set up how it was, I just don't agree with it for this generation, much less how smaller states can hold up the most basic needs of this country in areas the Congress (the right proportional vote per state pop) isn't involved. so in some areas, it's 2 per only and out of whack in my mind. To me a better way would be to tier the states perhaps...like 3 senators for the biggest 1/3 of states, 2 for the middle tier and 1 for the lowest tier, based solely on population. just tossing the idea out there, haven't really thought about it that much so there very well are issues here too. a decent idea though 1-17 tier 1 / 18-34 tier 2 / 34-50 tier 3

looking at that though does worry me about the voice of our lower populated states overall...but that doesn't take away my concern on the exact equal say in the senate bt Wyoming and California being ok as an example

one thing it might actually help though is party allegiances...meaning states would have to work together despite party ties if they were to get what they needed or thought correct through, versus everything being based on party as it truly is now. this may cause as many problems as it helps though. again, just tossing wf...i mean shit on the wall.

basically I think the smaller states have too much a say/power in things that they hardly are involved in often...yet I don't want to swing that the other way as you speak giving too much power to the big city / populous states

[spoon]

ok i see how you meant. You meant that a person has more power being a senator than being a rep. But the overall house and senate are basically the same

not really in any way

in that they are meant to be a check on each other's power overall, sure

but they are very different in what they do, how they are composed, how they are elected (terms and qualifications) and more

is that what you mean?

[Snoogans]

not really in any way

in that they are meant to be a check on each other's power overall, sure

but they are very different in what they do, how they are composed, how they are elected (terms and qualifications) and more

is that what you mean?

i mean you are sayin, part of what you mean, is a senator has more voice cause he has less voices to compete with.

In terms of gettin a bill or something passed, either one can block it, and therefore as a whole are equal. I wasnt even thinkin about all the other little stuff or longer terms. I just mean in the sense of passing shit, making changes

[spoon]

i actually was thinkin about something that i wanna get opinions on of the people here. right now we give power to the states in terms of reps based on population. What if we delegated the power based on money for the Union. I watched some dumb 2 min video on youtube about whether Texas could actually leave the Union and survive on its own. And it gave this bit on info:

Washington, Oregon, Nevada, California, Colorado, Texas, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Florida, NY, NJ, Connecticut, Mass, and NH all pay more money into the federal government than they receive from them in aid. (essentially, it was to say they could all survive on their own and do as well as, if not better, than they do right now as states.).

The rest get more money then they pay in.

In my opinion, the ones who pay more in should have WAY more say in what happens with said money than the ones who actually take more than they give. I would do it that way

here is that video, its kinda funny

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it's interesting, but defeats the purpose of the country overall

perhaps some rewards and penalties for being on either side of the spectrum, but how to you penalize the states in the most need to begin with? The only way I could see is via funds/support and voice, and that would drive them more into the ground.

financial basis is not a very solid approach for me, although it has validity in theory IF it wouldn't impact those in need and states with needs most. i could only imagine making Detroit worse, when it needs help now and areas hit with storms and disaster would take more hits simply based on events out of their control when they take in huge funds. there are many issues with that type system, but it does scream to how hypocritical some states are with their political rhetoric

[Snoogans]

it's interesting, but defeats the purpose of the country overall

perhaps some rewards and penalties for being on either side of the spectrum, but how to you penalize the states in the most need to begin with? The only way I could see is via funds/support and voice, and that would drive them more into the ground.

financial basis is not a very solid approach for me, although it has validity in theory IF it wouldn't impact those in need and states with needs most. i could only imagine making Detroit worse, when it needs help now and areas hit with storms and disaster would take more hits simply based on events out of their control when they take in huge funds. there are many issues with that type system, but it does scream to how hypocritical some states are with their political rhetoric

im not sayin give them less money or whatever. But if some states are carrying the load, and they want some money, say for HURRICANE RELIEF, Some dickhead state who takes more than it gives shouldnt be allowed to shut that down.

The people who are paying should get more say than the freeloaders on how shit works I think

[Snoogans]

it's interesting, but defeats the purpose of the country overall

perhaps some rewards and penalties for being on either side of the spectrum, but how to you penalize the states in the most need to begin with? The only way I could see is via funds/support and voice, and that would drive them more into the ground.

financial basis is not a very solid approach for me, although it has validity in theory IF it wouldn't impact those in need and states with needs most. i could only imagine making Detroit worse, when it needs help now and areas hit with storms and disaster would take more hits simply based on events out of their control when they take in huge funds. there are many issues with that type system, but it does scream to how hypocritical some states are with their political rhetoric

no, it would help detroit, because michigan is a state that pays more than they get back. So they would get more say

[spoon]

no, it would help detroit, because michigan is a state that pays more than they get back. So they would get more say

just an example based on need

try the more fitting Memphis, TN or Jackson, Miss

[hanso]

Change your Sig.


Norv was fired.


No wonder you are all fucked up. Living in NJ but go for the Chargers and Jays. Are you originally from Canada? Then that would carry some weight about having a hardon for them

Your sig. states your nick yet shows no wrestler

[WRESTLINGFAN]

it explains everything indeed...meaning I plenty on top of the subject matter and have no need to review based on your idiocy

you have that same doc proving you wrong fucko

again...still waiting

show me the light, versus a continual shit storm of wf tripe

Your points are invalid because you stated you didn't have to read anything.

The ratification of the 17th amendment was at the same time as the 16th amendment and the formation of the federal reserve. It all ties in.


The Creation of the fed was a payback from Wilson to the backers of his campaign, thus having a private bank control the money supply and creation, there was a need for an income tax due to Wilsons appettite for growing the size and scope of government. Now the 17th amendment is passed for direct election of Senators for people to vote themselves a pay raise on the backs of other states, This is why you have red states that are usually poorer getting largesse from more wealthy states. Since the US isn't a democracy this was a way for it to become closer to being one. In the past 100 years, the value of the dollar has collapsed. The gov't has become bigger, more unconstitutional programs have been rammed thru and Senators have become like representatives by bringing pork back into their state. Example WV. Almost everything is named after former klansman Robert Byrd. The ratification of the 17th amendment has become a giant money grab. Having popularly elected senators ensures that voters get their share of money from other states.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Champion of civil liberties Barack Obama signs NDAA this past week and it hardly makes any news.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/73309_475824795791930_1944176711_n.jpg

[hanso]

Your sig. states your nick yet shows no wrestler

mex-fan

[hanso]

Champion of civil liberties Barack Obama signs NDAA this past week and it hardly makes any news.

That again also includes other provision for which you blame him on, the DOD needs to be paid it has to pass.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Veto

If congress overrides it. At least Obama made an effort to nix it and prove he was for civil liberties

[spoon]

Your points are invalid because you stated you didn't have to read anything.

The ratification of the 17th amendment was at the same time as the 16th amendment and the formation of the federal reserve. It all ties in.


The Creation of the fed was a payback from Wilson to the backers of his campaign, thus having a private bank control the money supply and creation, there was a need for an income tax due to Wilsons appettite for growing the size and scope of government. Now the 17th amendment is passed for direct election of Senators for people to vote themselves a pay raise on the backs of other states, This is why you have red states that are usually poorer getting largesse from more wealthy states. Since the US isn't a democracy this was a way for it to become closer to being one. In the past 100 years, the value of the dollar has collapsed. The gov't has become bigger, more unconstitutional programs have been rammed thru and Senators have become like representatives by bringing pork back into their state. Example WV. Almost everything is named after former klansman Robert Byrd. The ratification of the 17th amendment has become a giant money grab. Having popularly elected senators ensures that voters get their share of money from other states.


Ooooookay.

And again your points are all over the place and or dead wrong.

Nice replay on the constitution, too bad not reading again bc someone clearly uses a ploy to NOT explain his idiotic comment, versus just saying read it deek...thus proving nothing. It's fool gold asshole, and u are loaded with it. Don't believe me, read the constitution...oh that's stupid and u already have many times over the years...well that just proves everything u say as invalid bc u won't read on demand once more to prove MY idiotic post. Great wf logic as per the norm here.

[epo]

So I've been reading about the GOP'ers who voted against Sandy relief (also Katrina relief).

Apparently their big gripe is the structure of the FEMA insurance program. So to protest that program they are voting against the relief payments.

I have three problems with this: we have precedent for this spending, these places are insured & this is about the credibility of our federal government. We've insured these areas, we've always helped these situations and by voting against it they are damaging the credibility of our government.

This is the exact problem these loons have with the debt ceiling. Fucking jerkoffs.

[hanso]

Tea-Pubs: All hail Grover Norquist

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ooooookay.

And again your points are all over the place and or dead wrong.

Nice replay on the constitution, too bad not reading again bc someone clearly uses a ploy to NOT explain his idiotic comment, versus just saying read it deek...thus proving nothing. It's fool gold asshole, and u are loaded with it. Don't believe me, read the constitution...oh that's stupid and u already have many times over the years...well that just proves everything u say as invalid bc u won't read on demand once more to prove MY idiotic post. Great wf logic as per the norm here.

It all ties in. So sorry you are unable to connect those factors.


I'll add in something else. Congress has about a 10% approval rating, however the retention rate is close to 90% People hate other reps and sens but they love the ones from their own districts and states for the most part.

Also, look at how these people go to DC without a pot to piss in but once they get entrenched in the luxurious lifestyle of being in Congress with their many staff members, perks and other benefits they become part of the machine they hate. They exempt themselves from programs they want to force on everyone else.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So I've been reading about the GOP'ers who voted against Sandy relief (also Katrina relief).

Apparently their big gripe is the structure of the FEMA insurance program. So to protest that program they are voting against the relief payments.

I have three problems with this: we have precedent for this spending, these places are insured & this is about the credibility of our federal government. We've insured these areas, we've always helped these situations and by voting against it they are damaging the credibility of our government.

This is the exact problem these loons have with the debt ceiling. Fucking jerkoffs.

This government has lost credibility decades ago.


FEMA is another wasteful bureaucracy. Another department now incorporated under DHS.

There were natural disasters before FEMA was created. The problem lies in with the overall tax system and how the federal government has expanded over the last 100 years. If anything the fed gov't should be the one to step in as a last resort.

The debt ceiling and all these other periodic events like the FC are man made events. So in a couple of months both the WH and both houses of congress are going to have to tackle the Debt ceiling and sequestration.


As usual the taxpayer will get fucked again. We never learn our lesson.

[Snoogans]

So I've been reading about the GOP'ers who voted against Sandy relief (also Katrina relief).

Apparently their big gripe is the structure of the FEMA insurance program. So to protest that program they are voting against the relief payments.

I have three problems with this: we have precedent for this spending, these places are insured & this is about the credibility of our federal government. We've insured these areas, we've always helped these situations and by voting against it they are damaging the credibility of our government.

This is the exact problem these loons have with the debt ceiling. Fucking jerkoffs.

the ones who made me most mad are the ones from liek Florida, Louisiana, north carolina, the ones who have asked for and received hurricane aid in the past and know how bad shit can be are the ones voting no? REALLY?

[spoon]

It all ties in. So sorry you are unable to connect those factors.


I'll add in something else. Congress has about a 10% approval rating, however the retention rate is close to 90% People hate other reps and sens but they love the ones from their own districts and states for the most part.

Also, look at how these people go to DC without a pot to piss in but once they get entrenched in the luxurious lifestyle of being in Congress with their many staff members, perks and other benefits they become part of the machine they hate. They exempt themselves from programs they want to force on everyone else.

again, all bullshit

still waiting

i see the ties plenty...ties to avoidance

you go on fucking idiotic editorial diatribes as some sort of proof to a claim...sorry, that doesn't even begin to mesh with reality

[epo]

This government has lost credibility decades ago.


FEMA is another wasteful bureaucracy. Another department now incorporated under DHS.

There were natural disasters before FEMA was created. The problem lies in with the overall tax system and how the federal government has expanded over the last 100 years. If anything the fed gov't should be the one to step in as a last resort.

The debt ceiling and all these other periodic events like the FC are man made events. So in a couple of months both the WH and both houses of congress are going to have to tackle the Debt ceiling and sequestration.


As usual the taxpayer will get fucked again. We never learn our lesson.

The government has an insurance program. People/companies pay the government premiums. People make claims when bad things happen. Certain politicians vote against said payments on wacko principles.

If this was a private insurance company there would be lawsuits.

That's fine to have issues with the program, but that vote is not the time to protest.

I'll say it again, the Tea Party doesn't understand how government works.

[epo]

the ones who made me most mad are the ones from liek Florida, Louisiana, north carolina, the ones who have asked for and received hurricane aid in the past and know how bad shit can be are the ones voting no? REALLY?

They all upset me. The Midwest has floods, tornados & fires. Yet 4 representatives and a Senator from Wisconsin voted NO.

Jerkoffs.

[spoon]

the ones who made me most mad are the ones from liek Florida, Louisiana, north carolina, the ones who have asked for and received hurricane aid in the past and know how bad shit can be are the ones voting no? REALLY?

completely agree

[spoon]

This government has lost credibility decades ago.


FEMA is another wasteful bureaucracy. Another department now incorporated under DHS.

There were natural disasters before FEMA was created. The problem lies in with the overall tax system and how the federal government has expanded over the last 100 years. If anything the fed gov't should be the one to step in as a last resort.

The debt ceiling and all these other periodic events like the FC are man made events. So in a couple of months both the WH and both houses of congress are going to have to tackle the Debt ceiling and sequestration.


As usual the taxpayer will get fucked again. We never learn our lesson.

fema is only a problem when those that say it's a wasteful and terrible program get control and drive it into the ground with crony appointments that are so bad you get guys like Brown. sorry, just another rant against anything federal government by WF...nothing AT ALL to see here

[spoon]

They all upset me. The Midwest has floods, tornados & fires. Yet 4 representatives and a Senator from Wisconsin voted NO.

Jerkoffs.

solid point

and as you said, this is NOT the time to make changes no matter what you believe. there will be PLENTY of time after...just get it done by October 2013

[WRESTLINGFAN]

fema is only a problem when those that say it's a wasteful and terrible program get control and drive it into the ground with crony appointments that are so bad you get guys like Brown. sorry, just another rant against anything federal government by WF...nothing AT ALL to see here

And FEMA is doing a stellar job after Sandy?


Also there aren't cronies of Obama's entrenched in government and people outside like bundlers receiving subsidized loans like with Green energy only to go bankrupt?


I can not believe you are so naive.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

again, all bullshit

still waiting

i see the ties plenty...ties to avoidance

you go on fucking idiotic editorial diatribes as some sort of proof to a claim...sorry, that doesn't even begin to mesh with reality

You got all your explanations.

Do I have to connect the dots for you as well?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

the ones who made me most mad are the ones from liek Florida, Louisiana, north carolina, the ones who have asked for and received hurricane aid in the past and know how bad shit can be are the ones voting no? REALLY?

Gary Johnson ran on repealing the income tax and replacing it with the fair tax.


If we actually scrapped that awful amendment and simplified our tax system, There wouldn't need to be a tax law of tens of thousands of pages which grows every year.

[spoon]

You got all your explanations.

Do I have to connect the dots for you as well?

no

you didn't

you probably don't even remember the question or call out

go read back now little fool

and if you don't, zero validity even IF you recall

wf logic!

[spoon]

Gary Johnson ran on repealing the income tax and replacing it with the fair tax.


If we actually scrapped that awful amendment and simplified our tax system, There wouldn't need to be a tax law of tens of thousands of pages which grows every year.

"fair tax"

nice

[WRESTLINGFAN]

no

you didn't

you probably don't even remember the question or call out

go read back now little fool

and if you don't, zero validity even IF you recall

wf logic!

I remember everything.


Nice way to make a copout. I provided answers to everything.


Thats it!!!! Mod's can we get in contact with one of the producers? I'll debate you via call in during one of the shows on anything political. Someone PM me to get this started.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

"fair tax"

nice

Yes it is.

[spoon]

I remember everything.


Nice way to make a copout. I provided answers to everything.


Thats it!!!! Mod's can we get in contact with one of the producers? I'll debate you via call in during one of the shows on anything political. Someone PM me to get this started.

ahahahahahaahahah!

answer wfool

the only copout is yours

and sure as shit the show would love to bring this BORING, REPETITIVE TRIPE to the air...topics much less they hardly have interest in to begin with. talk about RIVETING radio. what an ass.

I'm sure you sound just as stupid live as you do via posts. and what mod do you think is all up in it with the show!? do you pay attention to anything? someone pm me to laugh together on yet another STUPID idea by wf

no debate, just answers

let's hear it

[spoon]

Yes it is.

oh ok, just put fair in front of anything and voila

great policy

like other greatest hits including, the clean skies act and no child left behind

:wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

ahahahahahaahahah!

answer wfool

the only copout is yours

and sure as shit the show would love to bring this BORING, REPETITIVE TRIPE to the air...topics much less they hardly have interest in to begin with. talk about RIVETING radio. what an ass.

I'm sure you sound just as stupid live as you do via posts. and what mod do you think is all up in it with the show!? do you pay attention to anything? someone pm me to laugh together on yet another STUPID idea by wf

no debate, just answers

let's hear it


take the challenge


i answered everything.

[Snoogans]

oh ok, just put fair in front of anything and voila

great policy

like other greatest hits including, the clean skies act and no child left behind

:wallbash:

in fairness, regarding no child left behind. If it wasnt for that, we would have no college football cause everyone would still be in 9th grade

[WRESTLINGFAN]

oh ok, just put fair in front of anything and voila

great policy

like other greatest hits including, the clean skies act and no child left behind

:wallbash:

Another George Bush big policy gov't debacle

[spoon]

and just like normal

the conversation is effectively schizophrenic so WF doesn't have to ever stay on topic, just rant away and move all over the place

it's effective if trying to be a fool

[spoon]

in fairness, regarding no child left behind. If it wasnt for that, we would have no college football cause everyone would still be in 9th grade

:lol:

[spoon]

take the challenge


i answered everything.

of course you did

fucking asswipe

[WRESTLINGFAN]

A bill to trash Obamacare was brought up about 30 times and was killed.

Jose Serrano keeps bringing up this prize winner.


http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-could-get-3-terms-if-h-j-res-15-abolishes-term-limits


Try getting 2/3 of both houses and 38 states to ratify it.

[epo]

A bill to trash Obamacare was brought up about 30 times and was killed.

Jose Serrano keeps bringing up this prize winner.


http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-could-get-3-terms-if-h-j-res-15-abolishes-term-limits


Try getting 2/3 of both houses and 38 states to ratify it.

He brings it up every 2 years no matter who is in charge.

It has as much chance as your wish of repealing the 17th Amendment.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My desire to kill the 17th isn't costing any taxdollars like wanting Obamacare axed and shitcanning the 22nd.


I dont think anyone has brought a motion to can the 17th. I have not heard any news of it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Chuck Hagel to be nominated as SecDef tomorrow


I read where the LGBT's will oppose him. Saw that there's some Israel lobby commercial that they don't want him either

[cougarjake13]

Chuck Hagel to be nominated as SecDef tomorrow


I read where the LGBT's will oppose him. Saw that there's some Israel lobby commercial that they don't want him either





why would the lgbt care about Hagel ?


if he said something derogatory towards them I get it but I haven't heard if he did

[Pitdoc]

why would the lgbt care about Hagel ?


if he said something derogatory towards them I get it but I haven't heard if he did

He wasn't really for gays in the military .Hey, his opinion

And Israel doesn't like him because he sees Israel as a country in the Middle East that we have to deal with , among OTHER countries, as opposed to a country that tells him what to do. So, of course, that makes him anti-semetic to the Jewish lobby .

[keithy_19]

why would the lgbt care about Hagel ?


if he said something derogatory towards them I get it but I haven't heard if he did

A pro-lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender group issued a statement today urging President Barack Obama not to nominate Chuck Hagel as secretary of defense.

"GetEQUAL strongly opposes the potential nomination of Chuck Hagel to become the next Secretary of Defense. Hagel has, time and time again, taken every opportunity to lambast and denigrate lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) Americans, and the Cabinet is no place for this kind of disrespect," writes the chair GetEQUAL's board Tanya Domi.
(http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lgbt-group-takes-issue-hagel-nomination-urges-obama-abandon_693719.html)

[epo]

Chuck Hagel to be nominated as SecDef tomorrow


I read where the LGBT's will oppose him. Saw that there's some Israel lobby commercial that they don't want him either

The biggest threat to Hagel isn't the left, it's the neocons to his right.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He might get some no votes from pro Israel democrats like Schumer. On one of the Sunday shows a couple weeks back he said he had concerns about Hagel

[A.J.]

A bill to trash Obamacare was brought up about 30 times and was killed.

Jose Serrano keeps bringing up this prize winner.


http://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-could-get-3-terms-if-h-j-res-15-abolishes-term-limits


Try getting 2/3 of both houses and 38 states to ratify it.

Actually, I'm for it. Term limits are stupid.

[A.J.]

He wasn't really for gays in the military .Hey, his opinion

And Israel doesn't like him because he sees Israel as a country in the Middle East that we have to deal with , among OTHER countries, as opposed to a country that tells him what to do. So, of course, that makes him anti-semetic to the Jewish lobby .

Of course.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

He's not for preemptive strikes. He's more of a Brent Scrowkoft when it comes to defense/foreign policy


Hagel does not want to bomb Tehran. I have no problem with that.


I hope he's not an advocate for getting involved in Syria

[Snoogans]

where the fuck did this trillion dollar coin shit come from? Can we really do that?

Why not make it 50 trillion?

[A.J.]

where the fuck did this trillion dollar coin shit come from? Can we really do that?

Why not make it 50 trillion?

http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/5F14/109.jpg

http://download.lardlad.com/framegrabs/5F14/114.jpg

[hanso]

He wasn't really for gays in the military .Hey, his opinion

And Israel doesn't like him because he sees Israel as a country in the Middle East that we have to deal with , among OTHER countries, as opposed to a country that tells him what to do. So, of course, that makes him anti-semetic to the Jewish lobby .

Lox it up then.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Ticketmaster apologizes for mistake.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/07/inauguration-ticket-apology-ticketmaster_n_2424901.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmaing5%7Cdl13%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D253765

[hanso]

http://i48.tinypic.com/mkzz9z.jpg

Krugman says to go for it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Krugman thinks its a good idea than it is really a bad one

[Melk]

http://i48.tinypic.com/mkzz9z.jpg

Krugman says to go for it.
I can see where this is going

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[Syd]

where the fuck did this trillion dollar coin shit come from? Can we really do that?

Why not make it 50 trillion?

Trillion dollar coin comes from the Constitution allowing the Mint/Treasurer to mint coins as they see fit, backed up by the 14th amendment section 4

If it were to happen, it'd be $1t because it's a nice round number I guess. The market doesn't care about inflation right now (yields on treasuries are negative or effectively negative right now) and $1t is a drop in the bucket for keeping the largest security instrument in the world up and running as the global economy depends on it.

With that being said, it won't happen because of the optics. It looks bad to the common consumer because the Democrats are doing a poor job of portraying it as the Republicans refusing to pay the credit card bill because it's too large.

Instead they're hemming and hawing while the GOP hopes the Democrats can kill off some earned benefits programs because it helps the bottom line of corporations when you suppress wages and quality of life.

[spoon]

http://i48.tinypic.com/mkzz9z.jpg

Krugman says to go for it.

If Krugman thinks its a good idea than it is really a bad one

and there in lies WF's logic and analysis

simple, archaic and stupid

all it would have took is the other side to back it and voila, WF support

tell me WHY you feel this way WF? Or are you going to act like you did already and run in fear again?

shit, as if I'd even get a logical, well thought out unbiased answer even IF you did respond to the question

[hanso]

Trillion dollar coin comes from the Constitution allowing the Mint/Treasurer to mint coins as they see fit, backed up by the 14th amendment section 4

If it were to happen, it'd be $1t because it's a nice round number I guess. The market doesn't care about inflation right now (yields on treasuries are negative or effectively negative right now) and $1t is a drop in the bucket for keeping the largest security instrument in the world up and running as the global economy depends on it.

With that being said, it won't happen because of the optics. It looks bad to the common consumer because the Democrats are doing a poor job of portraying it as the Republicans refusing to pay the credit card bill because it's too large.

Instead they're hemming and hawing while the GOP hopes the Democrats can kill off some earned benefits programs because it helps the bottom line of corporations when you suppress wages and quality of life.

Has to be made of platinum

[spoon]

Smoke Cents

[WRESTLINGFAN]

and there in lies WF's logic and analysis

simple, archaic and stupid

all it would have took is the other side to back it and voila, WF support

tell me WHY you feel this way WF? Or are you going to act like you did already and run in fear again?

shit, as if I'd even get a logical, well thought out unbiased answer even IF you did respond to the question

Krugman is a Keynesian so his philosophy towards economics is flawed. I run from no one and especially not from you.


Krugman was the genius who said the Stimulus wasn't big enough. Krugman was an economic advisor for Enron.


Krugman came up with the plan to stimulate the economy by building up defense mechanisms in case of an alien attack .

Your petty words of simple and stupid carry no weight. instead of wanting to simplify the tax code, make it more archaic and add more pages to an already bloated flawed system and hence the debt racks up and money continues to go get pissed away on wasteful unnecessary programs., wars and everything else this incompetent gov't latches onto


Yes monetize our debt even more. Why not go for broke and go for a quadrillion or quintillion. We always have the federal reserve who can just buy all that.

[Syd]

Yes monetize our debt even more. Why not go for broke and go for a quadrillion or quintillion. We always have the federal reserve who can just buy all that.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/interest-rates/Pages/TextView.aspx?data=realyield

protip: no one in finance actually gives a shit about our amount of debt because our structural deficit is the same it has been for decades

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Of course when it's from the federal government, with assistance from the federal reserve, anything can be manipulated

[WRESTLINGFAN]

HuffPo reports that Gore is richer than Romney.

Not bad for promoting fear and hysteria, having a failed channel, bitching on how he wants higher taxes but wanted to close the deal before 12/31, Wouldn't allow oil companies to advertise on his channel but sells to oilmen

That's right, Gore is a benevolent wealthy person

[hanso]

HuffPo reports that Gore is richer than Romney.

Not bad for promoting fear and hysteria, having a failed channel, bitching on how he wants higher taxes but wanted to close the deal before 12/31, Wouldn't allow oil companies to advertise on his channel but sells to oilmen

That's right, Gore is a benevolent wealthy person

What did he sell to oilmen?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Current


Al Jazeera is owned by the govt of Qatar


PS, what is this weeks pronunciation of Qatar? Is it Gutter Cutter or Kahh-tar

[A.J.]

PS, what is this weeks pronunciation of Qatar? Is it Gutter Cutter or Kahh-tar

Yes.

[Syd]

Of course when it's from the federal government, with assistance from the federal reserve, anything can be manipulated

You know it's done by auction right? People are buying up our debt and clamoring to do so because American sovereign debt is the largest single security instrument in the world and unless the GOP is hell-bent on destroying the global economy, will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You know it's done by auction right? People are buying up our debt and clamoring to do so because American sovereign debt is the largest single security instrument in the world and unless the GOP is hell-bent on destroying the global economy, will continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

I know that however, we are the biggest holders of that debt so of course there are ways that Treasury and the Fed can continue the scheme, However that can not continue to happen without a collapse.


The worlds reserve currency is still the dollar but also, that party can not last forever. It's not just the GOP who wants to destroy the economy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This will stimulate the local economy.


http://www.buzzfeed.com/amyodell/dc-sex-workers-prepare-for-huge-influx-of-inaugura

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Who needs the constitution? Biden hints that POTUS will use an executive order in regards to gun control

[epo]

Who needs the constitution? Biden hints that POTUS will use an executive order in regards to gun control

Like Reagan did in 1986?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Like Reagan did in 1986?



Obama should know better since he's deemed as a constitutional scholar

[hanso]

Obama should know better since he's deemed as a constitutional scholar

You should know better from the House / Senate he has had to deal with.

Should use it more often to save time / trouble along with that 1 T coin.

[Syd]

I know that however, we are the biggest holders of that debt so of course there are ways that Treasury and the Fed can continue the scheme, However that can not continue to happen without a collapse.


The worlds reserve currency is still the dollar but also, that party can not last forever. It's not just the GOP who wants to destroy the economy.

Capitalism can't continue without a collapse, but here we are.

Anyway you can check it yourself, unless you want to write it off as a conspiracy:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/datadownload/default.htm

The M1 and M2s say it ain't going to be an issue, along with the market itself.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You should know better from the House / Senate he has had to deal with.

Should use it more often to save time / trouble along with that 1 T coin.

So when should Barack be fitted for his faux Military costume.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Crony Capitalism can't continue without a collapse, but here we are.

Anyway you can check it yourself, unless you want to write it off as a conspiracy:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/datadownload/default.htm

The M1 and M2s say it ain't going to be an issue, along with the market itself.


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