2012 POTUS and Congress General election off-season thread

[brettmojo]

Just read there were other states right in line with Texas at the same time.

Like NC.. (http://www.wral.com/nc-senator-voter-id-bill-moving-ahead-with-ruling/12591669/)

[SonOfSmeagol]

Of course you don't care, bc it doesn't impact you and why care right? Oh and in reality we know this only impacts one thing, the ability to vote for minorities and mainly urban communities where a driver's lic isn't the norm in any way. What sense do any of these voter id laws make and what is the guise being used to pass them? Bc we sure as shit haven't had any issues in this area, unlike hanging chads, computer fraud and so much more in terms of confusing the voters to outright lying and blocking their vote bc they don't agree with them.

if only these people, these poor schlubs, had an id - a basic building block in today's society - maybe they could improve their lives. how can you be against that?

[brettmojo]

if only these people, these poor schlubs, had an id - a basic building block in today's society - maybe they could improve their lives. how can you be against that?

No one is against people having ID... But that's not what any of these laws are about. Maybe if that's as far as any of these anti-voting laws went one could claim that but that's not the case. You need no further evidence of that than the fiasco in Florida last November.

[hanso]

No one is against people having ID... But that's not what any of these laws are about. Maybe if that's as far as any of these anti-voting laws went one could claim that but that's not the case. You need no further evidence of that than the fiasco in Florida last November.

I believe the same thing was going on in other states. Off the top of my head Ohio and Pennsylvania but I could be wrong on the states.

As goes Florida so goes Ohio in voter disenfranchisement.

Here is a list of states 7 that all boarder in the S.E. and others

http://www.aclu.org/maps/battle-protect-ballot-voter-suppression-measures-passed-2011

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Barack had a son would he call whites creepy ass crackers?

[Dude!]

If Barack had a son would he call whites creepy ass crackers?

nah, 'cause he'd be a
25%-white creepy ass cracker
himself!

[Pitdoc]

If Barack had a son would he call whites creepy ass crackers?

I don't know .Why don't we ask Trayvon.....OHHHHH that's right. Zimmerman killed him.

[Syd]

Zimmerman stood his ground by methodically following someone that was walking while black . WWB is a capital crime, so Zimmerman had to execute him. This ubermenschen managed to do so after having his head repeatedly smashed into the pavement (of which there was very little of his righteous gun-wielding blood spilled) and having his face pummeled by "MMA style" open-palm punches (of which no real evidence of that has been found, rightfully preventing anyone from believing anyone could knock someone with a gun down)

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rachel Jenteal is the star witness for the prosecution ?

If Zimmerman walks a main factor will be her testimony

[Dude!]

Rachel Jenteal is the star witness for the prosecution ?

hanso is the Rachel Jenteal
of ronfez.net

[hanso]

Rachel Jenteal is the star witness for the prosecution ?

If Zimmerman walks a main factor will be her testimony

You can pretty much kill anyone, and claim stand your ground..it's like touching base in tag.

A cookie cutter law from ALEC made by Corp.s

[Syd]

There's no definition of grievous bodily harm. It can be breaking your nose or getting punched in the kidneys. Also, even if you commit assault by initiating a fight you can still kill someone if they retaliate.

Basically it throws out centuries of common law practice with duty to retreat and duty not to escalate and replaces it with a law made for paranoid cowards.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You can pretty much kill anyone, and claim stand your ground..it's like touching base in tag.

A cookie cutter law from ALEC made by Corp.s



Zimmerman is claiming self defense and not Stand your ground

Jeantel was a horrible witness . Already there are claims of white bully lawyers are intimidating a vulnerable minority

[Jujubees2]

Zimmerman is claiming self defense and not Stand your ground

Jeantel was a horrible witness . Already there are claims of white bully lawyers are intimidating a vulnerable minority

Zimmerman hasn't claimed Stand Your Ground yet. He still can.

[sailor]

There's no definition of grievous bodily harm. It can be breaking your nose or getting punched in the kidneys. Also, even if you commit assault by initiating a fight you can still kill someone if they retaliate.

Basically it throws out centuries of common law practice with duty to retreat and duty not to escalate and replaces it with a law made for paranoid cowards.

I'm sure zim would have retreated when his head was getting bashed into the ground, if he could have.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Zimmerman hasn't claimed Stand Your Ground yet. He still can.



Possibly, if he testifies which has not been determined yet.


I think the DA overplayed their hand. They would have gotten a better chance of proving manslaughter

[WRESTLINGFAN]

IMO, the Zimmerman trial should be its own thread.

[hanso]

Senate Passes Historic Immigration Reform Bill—and House GOP will turn it into a joke, just wait and see.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The bill is a joke already.

The bigger joke is Rubio being rolled by Schumer

[WRESTLINGFAN]

20 million people are legalized, they bring their extended families, along with tens of million new illegal aliens

In 2030. Another bill will be passed and the politicians will swear again that it will be enforced

[brettmojo]

It's quite the height of hilarity for anyone in congress to call anything or what anyone else does a joke.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

State dept issues travel warning for Egypt

That's after we hand them buckets of cash and advanced warplanes

Nice job on endorsing that Arab spring Barack. Way to go fuckbag

[WRESTLINGFAN]

NFL tells administration to fuck off. They won't be promoting Obamacare

[Syd]

I'm sure zim would have retreated when his head was getting bashed into the ground, if he could have.

There was no evidence of his head being smashed into the ground. There's a lack of blood, no hospital visit and no bruising. The only thing that happened is that dope fell down after he shot Martin.

He stalked some kid and murdered him because he was walking while black. He wasn't defending himself any more than someone who consciously follows someone for a period of time.

He thought he was being a big billy badass protecting his things, but all he did was prove his lust for stuff was more important than human life. Like so many gun owners, they just want all their things and doesn't matter how much and which blood is spilled to keep their things. Remember that the next time you're in some third world shithole and some dude decides you may have something of his and he shoots you for it.

[SonOfSmeagol]

dayum, quite a rant. can't say I buy a single sentence tho

[Syd]

you've never been hit in the head before then

I've had my head busted open on the back once when a lacrosse stick rode up mine and pushed my helmet out of the way and hit me behind the ear, it bled so much that the entire side of my jersey was dyed red and it took multiple stitches to close. Every single person i've ever seen with their head split open has bled profusely, too. Every single person who I have ever seen who has had a concussion from just one lone impact has been woozy. The last time anyone had their head slammed against something in the public eye was when Yeardley Love was murdered by George Huguely.

Zimmerman's story doesn't add up that Martin was slamming his head against the pavement, especially considering there was no blood to be found on Martin's hands or hoodie.

Dude hunted a punkin and fell on his own ass after he shot Martin because he thought he was Dirty Harry or some vigilante asshole but all he's just a frightened man who thinks everyone is out to take his stuff

[Pitdoc]

Possibly, if he testifies which has not been determined yet.


I think the DA overplayed their hand. They would have gotten a better chance of proving manslaughter

Same thing I was thinking. If they'd have charged manslaughter , Zimmerman would have HAD to take a plea. Because... you know ..being guillty and all. 2nd degree much harder to prove on the evidence they have . I think these prosecutors are thinking they've got a slam dunk case like Marsha Clarke did.

[Syd]

They charge for 2nd, because they're reasonably sure there is enough evidence for manslaughter. 2nds in Florida require every single thing that manslaughter requires along with a few additional things, namely operating under a "depraved mind". The jury can still convict him of manslaughter and they'll be instructed as such.

That's how the legal system works, it isn't Law and Order. You can be charged with lesser crimes of the same "style" if there's not enough evidence for the greater crime. The DA probably leveled the murder charges hoping for a plea bargain to manslaughter or they thought there was enough evidence to push that the crime was racially motivated (which is an act of a depraved mind in the eyes of the legal system)

[Pitdoc]

They charge for 2nd, because they're reasonably sure there is enough evidence for manslaughter. 2nds in Florida require every single thing that manslaughter requires along with a few additional things, namely operating under a "depraved mind". The jury can still convict him of manslaughter and they'll be instructed as such.

That's how the legal system works, it isn't Law and Order. You can be charged with lesser crimes of the same "style" if there's not enough evidence for the greater crime. The DA probably leveled the murder charges hoping for a plea bargain to manslaughter or they thought there was enough evidence to push that the crime was racially motivated (which is an act of a depraved mind in the eyes of the legal system)

Gotcha.. I know in some states , they have to charge with all the possible verdicts at the arraignment for a jury to convict you of one . And if you don't include the lesser charge, they can't convict you of it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So if Zimmerman walks , what are the odds of riots ?

[sailor]

you've never been hit in the head before then

I've had my head busted open on the back once when a lacrosse stick rode up mine and pushed my helmet out of the way and hit me behind the ear, it bled so much that the entire side of my jersey was dyed red and it took multiple stitches to close. Every single person i've ever seen with their head split open has bled profusely, too. Every single person who I have ever seen who has had a concussion from just one lone impact has been woozy. The last time anyone had their head slammed against something in the public eye was when Yeardley Love was murdered by George Huguely.

Zimmerman's story doesn't add up that Martin was slamming his head against the pavement, especially considering there was no blood to be found on Martin's hands or hoodie.

Dude hunted a punkin and fell on his own ass after he shot Martin because he thought he was Dirty Harry or some vigilante asshole but all he's just a frightened man who thinks everyone is out to take his stuff

That's a possible version, which I don't think meshes with his wounds or the complete call he made to the police, but I guess that's for the jury to decide.

[Dude!]

So if Zimmerman walks , what are the odds of riots ?

those people will use
any excuse to loot

[WRESTLINGFAN]

those people will use
any excuse to loot



If they're smart, they will stay away from Korean neighborhoods

[Syd]

That's a possible version, which I don't think meshes with his wounds or the complete call he made to the police, but I guess that's for the jury to decide.

His wounds mesh with falling down inadvertently or being pushed down. His head wasn't slammed repeatedly into the sidewalk. The amount of blood would have been substantial, in addition to requiring stitches and at least a cursory concussion test.

0.0% chance he was "of depraved mind" in any meaningful way. He may be a racist, but there's no evidence he was. The most damning evidence against it is his statement to a 911 operator that "those punks always get away"

and, if you're an average person, punks isn't necessarily a race-defining term

Riots probably not, Florida is pretty bad but not bad enough. It was LA or NYC, yeah, riots would be a possibility. Stuff is really bad there as far as racial tensions go.

[hanso]

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[hanso]

IMO, the Zimmerman trial should be its own thread.

"That's real retarded, sir.":

[Pitdoc]

those people will use
any excuse to shoot


Fixed it..... on Zimmerman's side

[hanso]

20 million people are legalized, they bring their extended families, along with tens of million new illegal aliens

In 2030. Another bill will be passed and the politicians will swear again that it will be enforced

You make it sound like a snap of the finger. Its an augurous, long, drawn out process.

(no mention of the multi-billions for boarder control)


NFL tells administration to fuck off. They won't be promoting Obamacare

Obama sent a letter asking for help followed by a letter from Mitch McConnell saying don't. NFL gave a no compliance no comment response.

[PapaBear]

You make it sound like a snap of the finger. Its an augurous, long, drawn out process.
Off subject, but I had to look that word up. And it IS a word. But it means foreboding. Did you mean arduous? Either way, I learned a new word!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

You make it sound like a snap of the finger. Its an augurous, long, drawn out process.

(no mention of the multi-billions for boarder control)




Obama sent a letter asking for help followed by a letter from Mitch McConnell saying don't. NFL gave a no compliance no comment response.

In '06 they passed a border law mandating 700 miles of fences be built . Today less than 50 miles have been built

Back taxes? What a joke that is. When the illegals cry poverty they will be given a subsidy . Same with a fine that they are supposed to pay

Learning English is another rouse. I'd love to see the metrics for that
As far as border security it gives authority and discretion / waivers to Napolitano and Obama. Besides when Hillary is debating the GOP candidate and says to the newly legalized , "they want you to wait 13 years , but I will issue an Exec order making you citizens 1/20/17 " Who will be elected ?

Besides if the illegals were made citizens immediately after amnesty is passed 80% would vote for the Dems. Hispanics are addicted to the nanny state. 2 years after the '86 bill 41 got only 30% of the Hispanic vote. W was the only one to break 40%


Why does the administration need sports organizations to peddle Obamacare? If its so great it would sell itself
It's been a year since SCOTUS upheld it and still it's an unpopular piece of garbage law

[Syd]

When Massachusetts enacted its health care law in 2006, state officials had to figure out how to sign up 653,000 uninsured residents for health insurance under the new mandate that all adults have coverage by July 1, 2007. It was a tight deadline. So they enlisted a group they knew could reach state residents: the Red Sox. Soon knuckleballer Tim Wakefield had a public-service announcement on TV urging residents to visit the Health Connector, the state’s online insurance marketplace. The Connector team set up a booth at Fenway Park to answer questions. Ads aired between innings on the New England Sports Network. The Red Sox went on to win the World Series in 2007, and 367,000 people enrolled in health coverage.

Worked once for the Republicans, why wouldn't it work again?

Just wish it wasn't the NFL. They have about as much legitimacy in healthcare as Mengele.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Romneycare was passed via state legislature.

What works in MA might not work in NY.

[hanso]

Off subject, but I had to look that word up. And it IS a word. But it means foreboding. Did you mean arduous? Either way, I learned a new word!

Yes, arduous is what I was going for ty

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The senate version is a 1200 page monstrosity .

The house will probably do it piecemeal. There's no reason to rush thru another bill with all these pages and loopholes in it

[hanso]

Most bills are large now, can we get off that kick already? And the house is said to be coming up with their own version. Halve the bible may be quoted in it.


Speaking of Obamacare, "New Jersey Governor Chris Christie vetoed a bill that would have expanded Medicaid eligibility under the healthcare law known as Obamacare, his office said on Friday, in an apparent reversal of position for the presumed 2016 Republican presidential hopeful.

Earlier this month, researchers said 14 Republican-led states that oppose expanding Medicaid under would leave 3.6 million of their poorest adult residents uninsured, at a cost of $9.4 billion per year by 2017.

The findings, published in the journal Health Affairs on June 3, did not include New Jersey among those 14 states."


The serious contenders for the 2016 Republican nomination may drift moderate a little at times. But always have to throw the extreme right a bone before long. Marco Rubio the ball is in your court.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's why there will never be reform because the bills are larded up with riders, loopholes and written in ways that won't fix anything.

In 25 years we will run into the same problem when another 20 million illegals are here and we are told by these political whores that they will finally get it right

Once a state makes a pact with the devil in regards to Medicaid expansion they surrender more of their sovereignty to DC

When Obamacare fails, I can't wait to hear the excuses

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Rubio is going to get smoked in the primaries .

Let's see him try to defend being rolled by Schumer

[sailor]

Off subject, but I had to look that word up. And it IS a word. But it means foreboding. Did you mean arduous? Either way, I learned a new word!

Makes sense, from the verb augur.

[Syd]

Once a state makes a pact with the devil in regards to Medicaid expansion they surrender more of their sovereignty to DC

When Obamacare fails, I can't wait to hear the excuses

States aren't sovereign. There was a big fight over it in the 19th century.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We are not talking about if NY can invade CT

That's why states were given the option not to participate in the Medicaid expansion scam

The free money dries up. I think after 2017 States who made the deal are on their own

[hanso]

That's why there will never be reform because the bills are larded up with riders, loopholes and written in ways that won't fix anything.

In 25 years we will run into the same problem when another 20 million illegals are here and we are told by these political whores that they will finally get it right

Once a state makes a pact with the devil in regards to Medicaid expansion they surrender more of their sovereignty to DC

When Obamacare fails, I can't wait to hear the excuses

The only thing agreed to is to pay nothing for about 3 years.Then something like 3-5 years the sates kicks in about 10 - 15 %

This is pure jestering by the GOP lead states to favor extreme right/tea party.

As for reform why isn't the GOP blowing their own horns that they were the ruling party that had last done this? Signed into law by President Ronald Reagan on November 6, 1986. About three million illegal immigrants were granted legal status. An estimated 3 million to 5 million illegal immigrants were living in the United States at the time.

The bill as it stands makes it next to impossible to gain legal status. What it is loaded with is mega funding for boarder security. When the GOP lead house is done. It will be even more bloated on that front. And the path to citizenship will make the TV show wipeout look like a walk in the park.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Reagan regretted signing the 86 amnesty bill. Congress never lived up to their end of the deal
3 million became 20 million today

Obamacare is still very unpopular and when it gets fully implemented the unintended abd intended consequences will be seen

[WRESTLINGFAN]

As already stated it gives O and Napolitano waivers on border security

Like they will be serious on that

[hanso]

Reagan regretted signing the 86 amnesty bill. Congress never lived up to their end of the deal
3 million became 20 million today

Obamacare is still very unpopular and when it gets fully implemented the unintended abd intended consequences will be seen

June 20, 2013
Consumers saved $3.9 billion on premiums in 2012
Today, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announces that nationwide, 77.8 million consumers saved $3.4 billion up front on their premiums as insurance companies operated more efficiently. Additionally, consumers nationwide will save $500 million in rebates, with 8.5 million enrollees due to receive an average rebate of around $100 per family.

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2013pres/06/20130620a.html

This is a Gov. site so it has to be more made up than msnbc, the real thing is all minorities will get ObamaCars. When Obama is done with his death panel implementation on Mandela he will set up full funding for nation wide abortions. And the lgbt communities will be granted free adoptions provided they marry first.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's a gubmint site . No surprise

The same clods who use trick accounting and always have to revise their numbers. The same people who continue to lie and not be held accountable

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack wants to borrow money from China to hand over buckets of cash to sub Saharan African countries so more people have electricity

Translation. Slush funds for tin cup 3rd world corrupt governments.

[spoon]

IMO, the Zimmerman trial should be its own thread.

sure

we need another place for you to go off topic and blame the humidity on Obama

[spoon]

State dept issues travel warning for Egypt

That's after we hand them buckets of cash and advanced warplanes

Nice job on endorsing that Arab spring Barack. Way to go fuckbag

perfectly timed

how dare they not ignore danger and keep this quiet so WF can't blame Canada...er Obama

you definitely don't disappoint on the idiot factor

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack did hand cash to a government that is a quasi theocracy

When everyone was cheering the Arab spring I knew it would eventually blow up in our faces... Again

Why learn our lesson? To Syria!!! and beyond !!!!

[spoon]

Idiot Factor

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[WRESTLINGFAN]

sure

we need another place for you to go off topic and blame the humidity on Obama


If Barack had a son , he'd look like Al Roker

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack Obama. Are you smarter than a 5th grader


Obviously not

[spoon]

high level comedy from the rf.net wfool ^^

[spoon]

NFL tells administration to fuck off. They won't be promoting Obamacare

well that's not exactly a hit for "Obamacare" is it?

being the NFL's AWESOME history with protecting the health of its players during and even worse after their playing careers

solid point wf

way to be!

[spoon]

those people will use
any excuse to loot

If they're smart, they will stay away from Korean neighborhoods

a mental meeting of minds on this exchange!

oof

:wallbash:

[spoon]

Most bills are large now, can we get off that kick already? And the house is said to be coming up with their own version. Halve the bible may be quoted in it.


Speaking of Obamacare, "New Jersey Governor Chris Christie vetoed a bill that would have expanded Medicaid eligibility under the healthcare law known as Obamacare, his office said on Friday, in an apparent reversal of position for the presumed 2016 Republican presidential hopeful.

Earlier this month, researchers said 14 Republican-led states that oppose expanding Medicaid under would leave 3.6 million of their poorest adult residents uninsured, at a cost of $9.4 billion per year by 2017.

The findings, published in the journal Health Affairs on June 3, did not include New Jersey among those 14 states."


The serious contenders for the 2016 Republican nomination may drift moderate a little at times. But always have to throw the extreme right a bone before long. Marco Rubio the ball is in your court.

bt this AND the special election, Christie has dropped a WHOLE lot of balls in his own court

so much for the greater good and the best thing for his state's people takes precedent

[spoon]

That's why there will never be reform because the bills are larded up with riders, loopholes and written in ways that won't fix anything.

In 25 years we will run into the same problem when another 20 million illegals are here and we are told by these political whores that they will finally get it right

Once a state makes a pact with the devil in regards to Medicaid expansion they surrender more of their sovereignty to DC

When Obamacare fails, I can't wait to hear the excuses

actual reason #1, people like you WANT it to fail and those that can help make it so

actual reason #2, nothing is perfect, so at least something is being attempted and needed changes can be made moving forward under the person who attempted to fix our bullshit system in the first place...Hillary

[spoon]

We are not talking about if NY can invade CT

That's why states were given the option not to participate in the Medicaid expansion scam

The free money dries up. I think after 2017 States who made the deal are on their own

those uninsured cost the states WAY more money now than they possibly could under this "medicaid expansion scam"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

well that's not exactly a hit for "Obamacare" is it?

being the NFL's AWESOME history with protecting the health of its players during and even worse after their playing careers

solid point wf

way to be!


Aaron Hernandez can be the pitchman

[WRESTLINGFAN]

actual reason #1, people like you WANT it to fail and those that can help make it so

actual reason #2, nothing is perfect, so at least something is being attempted and needed changes can be made moving forward under the person who attempted to fix our bullshit system in the first place...Hillary


You're god damned right I want it to fail.

I want any collaboration btwn gov't and corporations to fall flat on its back.

Obamacare is so great that's why there ate groups who want exemptions . Members of congress own staffs don't want any of it.

This is designed to fail without anyone cheering it does

[WRESTLINGFAN]

those uninsured cost the states WAY more money now than they possibly could under this "medicaid expansion scam"


The cost of Obamacare had to be revised up.

A better alternative is to have stages initiate their own programs like Romneycare

[spoon]

so you don't want coverage for US citizens with none?

it's not about cost cutting via the bigger pool, a collaboration bt the gov and health care orgs, it's about people getting fucking coverage like it should be

and of course politicians don't want to come down from their amazing HC plans for the last few decades...completely different story and angle that I'm not surprised you veered off on

[spoon]

The cost of Obamacare had to be revised up.

A better alternative is to have stages initiate their own programs like Romneycare

STATES RIGHTS!

fucking stupid in this case

not surprised

[WRESTLINGFAN]

so you don't want coverage for US citizens with none?

it's not about cost cutting via the bigger pool, a collaboration bt the gov and health care orgs, it's about people getting fucking coverage like it should be

and of course politicians don't want to come down from their amazing HC plans for the last few decades...completely different story and angle that I'm not surprised you veered off on

I want coverage for the uninsured however I don't want government in bed with the private sector and more crony capitalism on a federal level


How about Bill Gates, Buffett and other billionaires pool some of their money and get outside investors to start a fund for the uninsured .

[WRESTLINGFAN]

STATES RIGHTS!

fucking stupid in this case

not surprised

Of course you're not surprised. All hail the federal government.

[spoon]

I want coverage for the uninsured however I don't want government in bed with the private sector and more crony capitalism on a federal level


How about Bill Gates, Buffett and other billionaires pool some of their money and get outside investors to start a fund for the uninsured .

that's big biz through back channels, and very fucking stupid

[WRESTLINGFAN]

that's big biz through back channels, and very fucking stupid



If its run as a non profit then it's not big biz. Plus there's no government corruption

[spoon]

Of course you're not surprised. All hail the federal government.

your love of local politics versus national is stupid

not even close to loving the fed, but do see its importance in areas like regulations, people protections and of course your fav, FEMA...so much more, but only state idiots can do it, not the country overall right?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

My love of a fed govt that acts within the limits of the constitution is not stupid

Your dream of a big bloated massive corrupt fed is laughable.

Let DC fix everything

[spoon]

If its run as a non profit then it's not big biz. Plus there's no government corruption

sure, never problems with non profits either right

bottom line is THIS is where gov should be involved with business with the peoples' best interest at heart, not rely on outside funds, people, biz or non profits to fill much needed holes and gaps

[spoon]

My love of a fed govt that acts within the limits of the constitution is not stupid

Your dream of a big bloated massive corrupt fed is laughable.

Let DC fix everything

wrong

your love of the constitution as a nearly perfect and rarely changed document is on par with those religious zealots that literally translate the bible for only their own needs and ignore the rest

the authors, especially Jefferson stated many times that it is a working doc and needs to surely be amended as times change...yet here we are arguing all over this site about some very silly stuff like militias

[spoon]

Your dream of a big bloated massive corrupt fed is laughable.

Let DC fix everything

sure, your made up line that I "dream of a big bloated massive corrupt fed IS LAUGHABLE"!

thanks for playing

[WRESTLINGFAN]

wrong

your love of the constitution as a nearly perfect and rarely changed document is on par with those religious zealots that literally translate the bible for only their own needs and ignore the rest

the authors, especially Jefferson stated many times that it is a working doc and needs to surely be amended as times change...yet here we are arguing all over this site about some very silly stuff like militias

Want universal healthcare ?


Lobby to have an amendment.

TJ also warned about an all powerful central govt

[spoon]

Yeah sure, and I'm nowhere near for that either. Ditch the patriot act now, crush the ndaa, downgrade our "defense" spending ~ 33% and so much more, but health care and fema are important issues where national gov should be involved.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We don't have a national gov't

[Syd]

Want universal healthcare ?


Lobby to have an amendment.

TJ also warned about an all powerful central govt

TJ was also a big fan of keeping slaves, reneging on promises of manumission, supported crushing popular uprisings (French Revolution) and in general was just a scumbag who people think was in any way relevant to the Constitution (protip: he was in France with Louis asking for some handouts at the time)

He's a big ol' pile of steaming shit, and it's steaming because it's extra shitty and all warm, not because it is cold out.

There are a scant few non-shitty figures in the American Revolution. You should read up on Tadeusz Kosciuszko who actually believed in freedom and egalitarianism. As opposed to the "founding fathers" that just write about freedom because the American revolutionary cause was quite unpopular.

[A.J.]

your love of the constitution as a nearly perfect and rarely changed document is on par with those religious zealots that literally translate the bible for only their own needs and ignore the rest

Which is why we desperately need shariah law in this country. Saudi Arabia is a paradise!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

TJ was also a big fan of keeping slaves, reneging on promises of manumission, supported crushing popular uprisings (French Revolution) and in general was just a scumbag who people think was in any way relevant to the Constitution (protip: he was in France with Louis asking for some handouts at the time)

He's a big ol' pile of steaming shit, and it's steaming because it's extra shitty and all warm, not because it is cold out.

There are a scant few non-shitty figures in the American Revolution. You should read up on Tadeusz Kosciuszko who actually believed in freedom and egalitarianism. As opposed to the "founding fathers" that just write about freedom because the American revolutionary cause was quite unpopular.



I already know about TJ owning slaves . What you forgot to mention is that he had to pay off his family's debt. Not defending slavery but you seem to leave that out

Do you know that the American and French revolutions were very different ?

I'm not here to lionize the founders. They were men who had flaws however they were forward thinking and warned about an out of control government

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which is why we desperately need shariah law in this country. Saudi Arabia is a paradise!



Screw that. Communism like North Korea. Gulags for life

[jimmyolsenblues]

Just saying North Korea is not communism, North Korea is a monarchy...not that I am pro-communism.
B

[hanso]

You're god damned right I want it to fail.

I want any collaboration btwn gov't and corporations to fall flat on its back.

Obamacare is so great that's why there ate groups who want exemptions . Members of congress own staffs don't want any of it.

This is designed to fail without anyone cheering it does

What they have is pretty much the same thing

[hanso]

wrong

your love of the constitution as a nearly perfect and rarely changed document is on par with those religious zealots that literally translate the bible for only their own needs and ignore the rest



Which is why we desperately need shariah law in this country. Saudi Arabia is a paradise!

We have lawmakers quoting the bible as they do work on the floor, states overturning Federal law to fit their religious beliefs. While they resemble a theocracy, much like ones they despise in other places they want to send troops to die in.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Which is why all these perk packages for congress needs to end.

What we created is a ruling class instead of people who are supposed to be servants of the public. This is a result of an overreaching government

[Syd]

I already know about TJ owning slaves . What you forgot to mention is that he had to pay off his family's debt. Not defending slavery but you seem to leave that out

He was concerned with things more than human life. I didn't leave that out. I did leave this out, however, when Kosciuszko offered to pay to release Jefferson's slaves (and other slaves)

http://hnn.us/articles/48794.html

Just remember that Jefferson was more concerned with the accumulation of material goods and wealth than human life. He's not to be revered, quoted or otherwise acknowledged as anything other than a monster.

Do you know that the American and French revolutions were very different ?

Yeah -- one was a popular revolution and the other wasn't.

I'm not here to lionize the founders. They were men who had flaws however they were forward thinking and warned about an out of control government

If they were forward thinking, they wouldn't allow people to become property. Also after the failure of the Articles of Confederation they wouldn't have created the Constitution as written. It was a suicide pact between the North and South. The lack of the 14th amendment along with the lack of popular support for the revolution and government made for the Constitution to favor only rich, white, land owning males.

[hanso]

He was concerned with things more than human life. I didn't leave that out. I did leave this out, however, when Kosciuszko offered to pay to release Jefferson's slaves (and other slaves)

http://hnn.us/articles/48794.html

Just remember that Jefferson was more concerned with the accumulation of material goods and wealth than human life. He's not to be revered, quoted or otherwise acknowledged as anything other than a monster.



Yeah -- one was a popular revolution and the other wasn't.



If they were forward thinking, they wouldn't allow people to become property. Also after the failure of the Articles of Confederation they wouldn't have created the Constitution as written. It was a suicide pact between the North and South. The lack of the 14th amendment along with the lack of popular support for the revolution and government made for the Constitution to favor only rich, white, land owning males.

Did you sit on the Texas school board?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The constitution was ratified with deals that had to be made for example the 3/5 clause didn't want slaves to be people and property so that the south was prevented to have more reps in the house
It also dealt with federalism. The Aoc was flawed because of trade wars btwn states, plus who would want to exchange currency when traveling to different states

The AmRev was unpopular with people who fell in line to George III

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The French revolution replaced a monarch with mob rule, it was one extreme going to another. Plus our revolution was fought thousands of miles away from London

[spoon]

TJ was also a big fan of keeping slaves, reneging on promises of manumission, supported crushing popular uprisings (French Revolution) and in general was just a scumbag who people think was in any way relevant to the Constitution (protip: he was in France with Louis asking for some handouts at the time)

He's a big ol' pile of steaming shit, and it's steaming because it's extra shitty and all warm, not because it is cold out.

There are a scant few non-shitty figures in the American Revolution. You should read up on Tadeusz Kosciuszko who actually believed in freedom and egalitarianism. As opposed to the "founding fathers" that just write about freedom because the American revolutionary cause was quite unpopular.

the only point was one of the key authors of WF's oh so sacred documents himself said not to make it that way

not he was some awesome figure or lack there of

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Obamacare blows so much they are granting employers an extension to 2015 to comply

[hanso]

Morisissy getting back with smiths in Egypt

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Too bad we are still stuck with Barack

[Ritalin]

Oy vay.

Still?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They have green laser lights shining in Tahrir square.

Throw in some strobe lights , get a DJ and turn it into a rave

[SonOfSmeagol]

damn, from 1 yr, 1 wk ago: Op-Ed: Cut aid to Egypt's generals ... In the face of a power grab by its armed forces, the U.S. should suspend some or all of its military aid to Cairo. (http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jun/27/opinion/la-oe-chayes-cut-military-aid-to-egypt-20120627)

the U.S. can provide such aid only if the secretary of State certifies to Congress that the Egyptian leadership "is supporting the transition to civilian government, including holding free and fair elections, and implementing ... due process of law." But Congress also left an escape clause. The secretary of State can waive this democratization requirement "in the national security interest of the United States."...That is precisely what happened in March <2012>. After intense interagency debate, the requirement was waived, and military assistance is now flowing to Egypt at a rate of $170 million a month.

will Kerry now have to renew that waiver?


interestingly enough, the writer's final point was :

The degree to which the U.S. is seen as enabling such abuses of power <thru aid> will determine whether populations around the world see us as hostile to their interests. For these reasons, and because it is time to shift the weight of our aid from military to civilian purposes, continuing to finance the Egyptian generals now would not serve long-term U.S. national interests.

well shit, since we supported the military and they ousted morsi and the people are loving it doesn't that show US in a favorable light?

not that the writer could've foreseen today, but damn

[SonOfSmeagol]

tj, drafter of the Declaration of Independence:
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

He's a big ol' pile of steaming shit, and it's steaming because it's extra shitty and all warm, not because it is cold out.


tj: 1, syd:0

[hanso]

They have green laser lights shining in Tahrir square.

Throw in some strobe lights , get a DJ and turn it into a rave

J-lo would play

[Syd]

tj, drafter of the Declaration of Independence:





tj: 1, syd:0

Where's the part where he said that King George was a bastard because Britain looked down on raping slaves

[Syd]

also where was the part of the constitution he held so dearly that allowed for the louisiana purchase

son of smeagol: learned history from fox news tj: still a monster, also a hypocrite while we're at it

[Dude!]

Jefferson was an awful man;
almost as awful as FDR

his worst legacy is that he is known,
along with Andrew Jackson,
as being the father of the
Democratic Party

Andrew Jackson was even worse,
forcing over 150,000 injuns
(and the 2,000 black people
owned by the injuns) off their land
and onto the deadly trail of tears

only Sam Houston stood up against that
but no one listened to him

no member of the Republican Party
owned slaves--just Democrats, Whigs,
and Federalists

[hanso]

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Next prez? Bring greater therocrosy?

[keithy_19]

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Next prez? Bring greater therocrosy?

:huh:

[spoon]

bad thing

[spoon]

Jefferson was an awful man;
almost as awful as FDR

his worst legacy is that he is known,
along with Andrew Jackson,
as being the father of the
Democratic Party

Andrew Jackson was even worse,
forcing over 150,000 injuns
(and the 2,000 black people
owned by the injuns) off their land
and onto the deadly trail of tears

only Sam Houston stood up against that
but no one listened to him

no member of the Republican Party
owned slaves--just Democrats, Whigs,
and Federalists

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right on Dude!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Wreckovery Summer baby !!!!!!

Another dismal UE report

[A.J.]

bad thing

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[spoon]

Wreckovery Summer baby !!!!!!

Another dismal UE report

hard on continues as he roots for decline! baby!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How much more time does Barack need?

More Stimulus needed ?

Who's to blame? John Quincy Adams ?

[spoon]

just OBAMA!!!

[hanso]

The week UE that drove stocks up? OK WF whatever

He will respond that the jobs are no good. Mere peasants.

[spoon]

silly hanso

the market means nothing until it goes down and then.....OBAMA!!!!!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The week UE that drove stocks up? OK WF whatever

He will respond that the jobs are no good. Mere peasants.



The fed isn't ready to pull back yet

How many times must I state that your precious Dow, Nasdaq and S&P is NOT a driver of the economy

The June report still isn't enough to keep up with population growth

[spoon]

The fed isn't ready to pull back yet

How many times must I state that your precious Dow, Nasdaq and S&P is NOT a driver of the economy...until....

The June report still isn't enough to keep up with population growth...darn minorities....

fixed

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Repeal the 22nd amendment

Give Barack 4 terms. He needs more time

[spoon]

might as well

you seem to want it more than him at this point!

and let's start with a 3rd term first fucko

[SonOfSmeagol]

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/FcHPU3qY7C__UxVAw3SLSg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY0MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9OD U7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/a5711a96574f9d16360f6a706700a34b.jpg

"I don't want pickles on roast beef, I can take em on turkey, but not roast beef"

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If Barack was able to run for a 3rd he would .


Since he loves to trample the constitution he can pass an executive order

[Syd]

the 22nd was the ultimate culmination of the business plot

which I guess is better than a military junta, but, kind of funny that voters aren't allowed to choose presidents based on merit

[hanso]

The fed isn't ready to pull back yet

How many times must I state that your precious Dow, Nasdaq and S&P is NOT a driver of the economy

The June report still isn't enough to keep up with population growth

Well it is all speculation (even the market can be influenced by speculation ) and they say it will happen in September. ( tapering by the fed ) Of course it's not a driver but it is an indicator. The numbers were shy of 200k. If it were to hit the targets of 220k what would your excuse be then?

If you still want to go down the road of criticizing the type of jobs. Bottom line is it was more than expected and expectations should have accounted for these things.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Until the number gets revised down . That has happened many times . The fact of the matter is that the labor participation rate is less than it was 30 years ago.


Celebrating that it was more than expected still doesn't put a dent in the overall rate. Almost 4 1/2 years later and we are still at this high of a rate. If this is the new normal , this is what we deserve after reelecting someone who is an economic illiterate

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So was Kerry on his boat before he was off it ?


http://mobile.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/07/05/state-dept-now-admits-john-kerry-was-on-his-76-foot-yacht-on-the-fourth-of-july

[hanso]

Until the number gets revised down . That has happened many times . The fact of the matter is that the labor participation rate is less than it was 30 years ago.


Celebrating that it was more than expected still doesn't put a dent in the overall rate. Almost 4 1/2 years later and we are still at this high of a rate. If this is the new normal , this is what we deserve after reelecting someone who is an economic illiterate

You know that's not the case as you yourself were piss & moaning over the rate which your man Obama claimed it would be set at. It did make it to the rate after your bitch session.

[hanso]

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Well I posted the immigration bill was all about multi millions for security. Not so fast...

Here is a break down.

The legislation would require the U.S. Border Patrol to acquire, among other items, six Northrop Grumman airborne radar systems that cost $9.3 million each, 15 Sikorsky Black Hawk helicopters that average more than $17 million apiece, and eight light enforcement helicopters made by American Eurocopter that sell for about $3 million each.

Watchdog groups and critics said that these and other detailed requirements would create a troubling end-run around the competitive bidding process and that they are reminiscent of old-fashioned earmarks

The so-called border surge — an additional $38 billion in spending — was added in the final week of negotiations to attract more GOP support for the measure, which passed with 68 votes, including 14 from Republicans.

$38 billion Corker-Hoven amendment

"fiscal conservatives"
Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and John Hoeven (R-N.D.), who co-sponsored the plan, said the provisions were aimed at assuaging the concerns of Republicans who are wary about creating a path to citizenship without tougher border measures.

“I was just trying to work with our caucus to get as many of our guys to participate,” Hoeven said.

Good thing for those sequester cuts.

[SonOfSmeagol]

no idea what you're talking about. what is your point...please

[Syd]

The point is the only argument between the parties is which companies should get money.

Look at the rate of return for the companies to purchase legislators, and then decide how quickly Citizens United needs to be overturned.

[SonOfSmeagol]

nah, not seeing that

[Syd]

nah, not seeing that

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/10/big-business-romneys-navy/all/

Romney was going to "balance the budget" (i.e. re-align spending toward GOP interests and not really reduce spending)

[SonOfSmeagol]

what does that have to do with Hanso's post on immigration?

BIG fan of the navy, btw. tho, I'm sure they could spend $ more wisely

[Syd]

The so-called border surge — an additional $38 billion in spending — was added in the final week of negotiations to attract more GOP support for the measure, which passed with 68 votes, including 14 from Republicans.

$38 billion Corker-Hoven amendment

what does that have to do with Hanso's post on immigration?

BIG fan of the navy, btw. tho, I'm sure they could spend $ more wisely

That is what it has to do with. Also the last time the Navy got a blank check, we got the shit sandwich that is the LCS

[hanso]

That is what it has to do with. Also the last time the Navy got a blank check, we got the shit sandwich that is the LCS

It made a good video game

[hanso]

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Your base is the above ship/ top video

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Well I posted the immigration bill was all about multi millions for security. Not so fast...

Here is a break down.

The legislation would require the U.S. Border Patrol to acquire, among other items, six Northrop Grumman airborne radar systems that cost $9.3 million each, 15 Sikorsky Black Hawk helicopters that average more than $17 million apiece, and eight light enforcement helicopters made by American Eurocopter that sell for about $3 million each.

Watchdog groups and critics said that these and other detailed requirements would create a troubling end-run around the competitive bidding process and that they are reminiscent of old-fashioned earmarks

The so-called border surge — an additional $38 billion in spending — was added in the final week of negotiations to attract more GOP support for the measure, which passed with 68 votes, including 14 from Republicans.

$38 billion Corker-Hoven amendment

"fiscal conservatives"
Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) and John Hoeven (R-N.D.), who co-sponsored the plan, said the provisions were aimed at assuaging the concerns of Republicans who are wary about creating a path to citizenship without tougher border measures.

“I was just trying to work with our caucus to get as many of our guys to participate,” Hoeven said.

Good thing for those sequester cuts.

The Corker Hoeven amendment is a joke. Congress didn't live up to their end of the deal in 1986. Plus it gives waivers/discretion to DHS

As previously stated Amnesty will be given and we will have the same discussion 25 years from now. Don't worry , they'll get it right in 2038

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The Navy is the only branch which is to be permanently mandated according to Article I section VIII of the constitution

[spoon]

Stop repeating the same fucking shit.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yea to hell with the Constitution.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Also the last time the Navy got a blank check, we got the shit sandwich that is the LCS

yep, the same "blank check" the entire Fed gov't has used to become a bloated, bureaucratic, and clearly unmanageable mess. time to tighten it all up - no reason the people (~50% of us actually) should have to pay such taxes. by actually holding the gov't accountable for what they're being paid for we will be able to keep more of our own damn money.

[Syd]

yep, the same "blank check" the entire Fed gov't has used to become a bloated, bureaucratic, and clearly unmanageable mess. time to tighten it all up - no reason the people (~50% of us actually) should have to pay such taxes. by actually holding the gov't accountable for what they're being paid for we will be able to keep more of our own damn money.

it's easy to hold them accountable: stop voting Republican

they're the ones who keep pouring money into SDI, Crusader artillery (what is this, the 1960s?), F35 (the biggest single fucking money sink the military has ever touched) F22 (good luck trying to fly that in the rain)

the most wasteful spending is put forth by the people who cry the loudest about wasteful spending and don't bat an eyelash over sailboat fuel being shipped by contractors in Iraq

[A.J.]

what does that have to do with Hanso's post on immigration?

BIG fan of the navy, btw. tho, I'm sure they could spend $ more wisely

I do what I can. :smile:

[hanso]

it's easy to hold them accountable: stop voting Republican

they're the ones who keep pouring money into SDI, Crusader artillery (what is this, the 1960s?), F35 (the biggest single fucking money sink the military has ever touched) F22 (good luck trying to fly that in the rain)

the most wasteful spending is put forth by the people who cry the loudest about wasteful spending and don't bat an eyelash over sailboat fuel being shipped by contractors in Iraq

Why feed the poor when you can watch a F22 soar it's the christian coalition way.

[A.J.]

it's easy to hold them accountable: stop voting Republican

they're the ones who keep pouring money into SDI, Crusader artillery (what is this, the 1960s?), F35 (the biggest single fucking money sink the military has ever touched) F22 (good luck trying to fly that in the rain)

the most wasteful spending is put forth by the people who cry the loudest about wasteful spending and don't bat an eyelash over sailboat fuel being shipped by contractors in Iraq

Right, only Republicans do that. No Democrat has ever voted in favor of bills that would help defense companies in their state or district.

[Syd]

Right, only Republicans do that. No Democrat has ever voted in favor of bills that would help defense companies in their state or district.

The Republicans are the ones talking about how they're the saviours of bloated budgets and they're the only ones capable of showing fiscal restraint (while they're writing checks to buy more tanks that the Army hasn't had a need for since the early '70s)

[hanso]

$6.4 billion for for fingerprinting those leaving the country.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It's harder to sneak into the country than to leave it.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Why feed the poor when you can watch a F22 soar it's the christian coalition way.

Why feed the poor when 2 billion a week is being spent in a rat hole 8000 miles away

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No 4th term for Rick Perry.

[A.J.]

No 4th term for Rick Perry.

Now he can focus all his time running for President. :wallbash:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

We got LBJ and GWB over the last 50 years. No more from Texas

[SonOfSmeagol]

they're the ones who keep pouring money into SDI

SDI? SDI won the cold war! hooyah! hooah! oorah!

[SonOfSmeagol]

I do what I can. :smile:

niiiice. don't let em trim it too much tho - yikes!

http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/6937476/2/stock-photo-6937476-rowboat-sailor.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack's a Savin and a creatin, a creatin and a savin

http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2496585

[SonOfSmeagol]

yep, the same "blank check" the entire Fed gov't has used to become a bloated, bureaucratic, and clearly unmanageable mess. time to tighten it all up - no reason the people (~50% of us actually) should have to pay such taxes. by actually holding the gov't accountable for what they're being paid for we will be able to keep more of our own damn money.

Obama: Let’s be more like Google. He directed his administration to “to develop an aggressive management agenda for my second term that delivers a smarter, more innovative and accountable government for its citizens" (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/07/08/obama-federal-government-should-be-more-like-silicon-valley/)

yeah, the o-ster took my call last night and we made some stuff happen
:smoke:

we'll see

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If the Navy commissions dinghies the flagship should be the USS Barack H Obama

[SonOfSmeagol]

If the Navy commissions dinghies the flagship should be the USS Barack H Obama

Bill Clinton needs a line named for his own self first, maybe a Cruiser class?

http://boards.buffalobills.com/images/smilies/rimshot.gif

[SonOfSmeagol]

$6.4 billion for for fingerpainting those leaving the country.

why would they do that?

http://rlv.zcache.com/group_of_standing_stick_figures_finger_painting_re _photoenlargement-r77701a3094574d0298b9fb25407806cb_wyy_8byvr_512.jp g

[spoon]

Right, only Republicans do that. No Democrat has ever voted in favor of bills that would help defense companies in their state or district.

While this is certainly true, to deny one party does it a WHOLE LOT more is just not paying attention.

[spoon]

If the Navy commissions dinghies the flagship should be the USS Barack H Obama



Good one...followed up by another. Fucking putrid.

[A.J.]

If the Navy commissions dinghies the flagship should be the USS Barack H Obama

It WOULD have a booming sound system I'll bet. I'd love to hear messages over the 1MC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1MC).

[WRESTLINGFAN]

It WOULD have a booming sound system I'll bet. I'd love to hear messages over the 1MC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1MC).



One of the more popular announcements over the 1MC

"The smoking lamp is lit, port side steel beach"

[SonOfSmeagol]

Good one...followed up by another.

that's exactly what Bill said! uncanny!

[spoon]

that's exactly what Bill said! uncanny!

is it

[WRESTLINGFAN]

How nice. More F16's to Egypt .

Where are the background checks ?

No one needs more than a 20mm cannon to kill a deer!!!!

[deliciousV]

How nice. More F16's to Egypt .

Where are the background checks ?

No one needs more than a 20mm cannon to kill a deer!!!!

hahaha, OK, fuck the politics, that one was funny

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No surprise. This federal govt has to insert itself into local issues

http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2532890

[deliciousV]

No matter which side you come down on in the Zimmerman trial, you have to admit that based on the way the trial is going there is a very real chance that Zimmerman will be acquitted. Based on this information, would the DOJ be somewhat culpable for any rioting that may or may not happen?
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

After the verdict is read, It's not over. While it will not get the same coverage, NBC news is being sued for doctoring audio tapes

[Syd]

No matter which side you come down on in the Zimmerman trial, you have to admit that based on the way the trial is going there is a very real chance that Zimmerman will be acquitted. Based on this information, would the DOJ be somewhat culpable for any rioting that may or may not happen?
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

They were called in by the local authorities to help out. They're a mediation group specifically intended to prevent violence. They make their way out to lots of communities in conflict. This is a bunch of RAHOWA nonsense by anti-semites

[Syd]

After the verdict is read, It's not over. While it will not get the same coverage, NBC news is being sued for doctoring audio tapes

Don't forget Zimmerman's wife being on trial for helping him try to escape the country (2nd passport, secretly moving money around) along with the civil trial. The family of Martin had a settlement somewhere in the high 6 figure range with the HOA that was completely separate from Zimmerman. He'll get OJ'd pretty badly.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Both Zimmerman and OJ have become portly . Zimmerman more than OJ

[brettmojo]

How nice. More F16's to Egypt .

Where are the background checks ?

No one needs more than a 20mm cannon to kill a deer!!!!

I heard they threw in a few hundred of these too...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/DynaTAC8000X.jpg/220px-DynaTAC8000X.jpg

[WRESTLINGFAN]

They can detonate IED's with those.


F16's have been in use for a long time, however they're not getting spruce geese

[Syd]

F-16 is still pretty much the best all-around fighter jet in the world in terms of price:performance

Egypt is getting the Block 50+ ones if it's the deal that was worked on a few years back. Puts them on par with Israel in terms of defending itself against Syria or Iran.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This sounds like its from the Onion but it's not

http://www.ibtimes.com/proposed-apollo-lunar-landing-sites-national-historic-park-moon-1339401#-mission


I guess those 2 geniuses really took up space in school

[deliciousV]

They were called in by the local authorities to help out. They're a mediation group specifically intended to prevent violence. They make their way out to lots of communities in conflict. This is a bunch of RAHOWA nonsense by anti-semites

I don't know where the anti-semites come in, but I do find it out of place for the D.O.J. to help organize protests at a time where the local government had decided that the evidence available to them did not support prosecution. And I am NOT pointing a finger at the Obama administration for this. The D.O.J. hasn't shown themselves to be under his thumb, they released a report saying his gun control act would be largely ineffective when he wanted it most.
Again, no matter what happened the night Trayvon Martin was killed, the evidence as presented is not pointing towards a conviction. The D.O.J. should not have been involved in stirring up the national African American community, let local government handle local crime, don't stir up the entire country. And NBC didn't help much with their butchered version of the 911 tape.

[spoon]

hahaha, OK, fuck the politics, that one was funny

camel and i don't puke in my fucking mouth

not funny

[deliciousV]

camel and i don't puke in my fucking mouth

not funny

Well there's no accounting for taste.

[spoon]

Well there's no accounting for taste.

oh there is, and I just flushed the results

[deliciousV]

oh there is, and I just flushed the results

You have a weak stomach

[spoon]

nah, his shit stinks

[deliciousV]

nah, his shit stinks

Well it certainly is disjointed and unrelated to most topics, but that one made me laugh.

[spoon]

http://i.imgur.com/pbg49Yk.gif

[deliciousV]

http://i.imgur.com/pbg49Yk.gif

Yikes, that's unpleasant.

[Recyclerz]

This is actually an idea worth considering:

Orrin Hatch Proposal for Insurers to Back Public Pensions (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/pension-proposal-aims-to-ease-burden-on-states-and-cities/?src=recg)

[A.J.]

This is actually an idea worth considering:

Orrin Hatch Proposal for Insurers to Back Public Pensions (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/pension-proposal-aims-to-ease-burden-on-states-and-cities/?src=recg)
Oh, I can hear the Democrats' objections already....

[hanso]

This sounds like its from the Onion but it's not

http://www.ibtimes.com/proposed-apollo-lunar-landing-sites-national-historic-park-moon-1339401#-mission


I guess those 2 geniuses really took up space in school

It's to protect what we left from getting taken. The next group up there can leave our stuff be and put the flag back up.

[Syd]

I don't know where the anti-semites come in, but I do find it out of place for the D.O.J. to help organize protests at a time where the local government had decided that the evidence available to them did not support prosecution. And I am NOT pointing a finger at the Obama administration for this. The D.O.J. hasn't shown themselves to be under his thumb, they released a report saying his gun control act would be largely ineffective when he wanted it most.
Again, no matter what happened the night Trayvon Martin was killed, the evidence as presented is not pointing towards a conviction. The D.O.J. should not have been involved in stirring up the national African American community, let local government handle local crime, don't stir up the entire country. And NBC didn't help much with their butchered version of the 911 tape.

It comes from the site, they run a lot of "BANKERS!!! ARRGH!" and a lot of jew dogwhistle stuff because it plays well to the angry white right to blame the jews.

However they didn't organize the protests, if you read it they are a mediation group intended to prevent or limit violence. Which is why they were called in, because there's an interest in society to limit or prevent mob violence.

[Syd]

This is actually an idea worth considering:

Orrin Hatch Proposal for Insurers to Back Public Pensions (http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/07/09/pension-proposal-aims-to-ease-burden-on-states-and-cities/?src=recg)

Not really. Pensions and retirement funds should be based on steady growth, not what some yahoo fund manager wants to do with the money. Retirement is about a safety net, not a chance for massive profit.

[Recyclerz]

Oh, I can hear the Democrats' objections already....

I'm a Democrat.

The unions will bitch but it is an idea that could help. My side of the fence has to bring its members into the reality fold on these retirement plans that are unsustainable. If we don't fix them before they collapse the Ayn Rand types will win the match on unforced errors.

[sailor]

Not really. Pensions and retirement funds should be based on steady growth, not what some yahoo fund manager wants to do with the money. Retirement is about a safety net, not a chance for massive profit.

Like a mutual fund?

[A.J.]

I'm a Democrat.

The unions will bitch but it is an idea that could help. My side of the fence has to bring its members into the reality fold on these retirement plans that are unsustainable. If we don't fix them before they collapse the Ayn Rand types will win the match on unforced errors.

Remember Social Security Reform?

Yeah.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Bieber did the right thing and apologized. Guess he didn't wanna join that Clinton body count


http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2507957

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Planes and Porta potties.

Talk about a shitty marketing plan

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/10/q-what-do-porta-potties-coffee-cups-and-airplanes-have-in-common-a-obamacare/

[hanso]

Bieber did the right thing and apologized. Guess he didn't wanna join that Clinton body count


http://m.usatoday.com/article/news/2507957

But nothing said of pissing in NYC establishments,(not in bathroom ) guess he and the wild kids will keep doing it.

[Syd]

Like a mutual fund?

Great if you already have enough money not to worry about retirement, terrible if you are depending on retiring and need retirement money. Still stacked against the little guy, natch.

[SonOfSmeagol]

Great if you already have enough money not to worry about retirement, terrible if you are depending on retiring and need retirement money. Still stacked against the little guy, natch.

I love etrade

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Good Riddance big sis

Napolitano to resign and become head of the University of CA system

Of course, go to academia because useless hacks like her can't make it in the private sector

[Dude!]

Good Riddance big sis

Napolitano to resign and become head of the University of CA system

Of course, go to academia because useless hacks like her can't make it in the private sector

it's a shame she let those
people in Boston be killed

[A.J.]

Good Riddance big sis

Napolitano to resign and become head of the University of CA system

Of course, go to academia because useless hacks like her can't make it in the private sector

Just like Donna Shalala. I see a pattern here.

[spoon]

Good Riddance big sis

Napolitano to resign and become head of the University of CA system

Of course, go to academia because useless hacks like her can't make it in the private sector

Sigh.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Scary thing is that her replacement could be even worse

[spoon]

The true scary thing is your thought process and fear of this woman.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That woman sucked at her job. A bureaucracy that should be eliminated.

[spoon]

Thanks for backing my point.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Is there any bureaucracy that is not a sacred cow to you ?

[spoon]

Is there a place where this was ever mentioned? Or is it just another made figment of your insane imagination? Don't answer.

[spoon]

Is there any gov program that is valuable, or on the least someone in any of them that handles their job as well as anyone in the private sector or hell just does their job well?

Government and Obama, no matter what or where with you, it's the devil's balls!

[spoon]

I have many issues with gov, gov programs and policy, yet you make such stupid claims bc you hate it all and blindly need to toss out that hate especially now with Obama the boogieman in office, so bc someone says you're off on things, i officially LOVE'EM ALL! Sacred Cow!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Big government has been a cancer before Saint Barackus of Chicago was elected

No ones calling for anarchy, just scaling back the size and scale of government

Funny you mention the private sector. Corporatism is alive and well and your president is the latest one riding that wave

[spoon]

That is funny.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Since you mentioned Barack, add the latest gem to the big govt gagglefuck, and thy name is Obamacare

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Barack isn't a corporatist?

[spoon]

Thank God I triggered that response u hardly ever lean on.

[hanso]

peter griffin vs giant chicken is on

[A.J.]

Is there any gov program that is valuable, or on the least someone in any of them that handles their job as well as anyone in the private sector or hell just does their job well?

:bye:

[Jujubees2]

Good Riddance big sis

Napolitano to resign and become head of the University of CA system

Of course, go to academia because useless hacks like her can't make it in the private sector

Just like Donna Shalala. I see a pattern here.

Nah, Shalala didn't leave for higher education. She left to go to the University of Miami.

[SonOfSmeagol]

I think Napolitano pretty much left dhs in a better position than when she started. she did have some gaffes, but she cleaned some things up too. have to give some latitude to whoever has that job cause dhs is kind of a huge freakin mess and does need to tighten up

[spoon]

:blink:

[WRESTLINGFAN]

MS NO BARACK CRITICISM Apologizes showing Treyvons body after being shot.

Bullshit

It was done on purpose to stir up more anger

[hanso]

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Rep. Louie Gohmert-pile o' chit (R-TX) on Thursday objected over and over again in order to keep statements out of the congressional record that accused Republicans of hurting working families by taking food stamps out of the farm bill.

[foodcourtdruide]

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Rep. Louie Gohmert-pile o' chit (R-TX) on Thursday objected over and over again in order to keep statements out of the congressional record that accused Republicans of hurting working families by taking food stamps out of the farm bill.

That's a really amazing video hanso. Though I have disdain for American politics and I wish I didn't have to support a political party, I have to remember issues like food stamps for why I prefer democrats winning. The "people are lazy" argument is beyond frustrating; 50 million people are on food stamps, 17 million are children and millions others WORK, but don't make a livable wage. There are many places the government spends in-excess, food stamps are NOT one of them.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Come for the amnesty....


Stay for the Food stamps

This was started under W's administration


http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

[WRESTLINGFAN]

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Rep. Louie Gohmert-pile o' chit (R-TX) on Thursday objected over and over again in order to keep statements out of the congressional record that accused Republicans of hurting working families by taking food stamps out of the farm bill.

Recovery in full swing amirite?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

That's a really amazing video hanso. Though I have disdain for American politics and I wish I didn't have to support a political party, I have to remember issues like food stamps for why I prefer democrats winning. The "people are lazy" argument is beyond frustrating; 50 million people are on food stamps, 17 million are children and millions others WORK, but don't make a livable wage. There are many places the government spends in-excess, food stamps are NOT one of them.

And it's why your government caused this by going into unnecessary wars, having a bloated faux security and quasi police state. Politicians in both parties giving corporate welfare to GM GE and ADM and many other abuses of power and raiding the treasury along with an archaic complex tax system among many other factors.

[foodcourtdruide]

And it's why your government caused this by going into unnecessary wars, having a bloated faux security and quasi police state. Politicians in both parties giving corporate welfare to GM GE and ADM and many other abuses of power and raiding the treasury along with an archaic complex tax system among many other factors.

Yeah, none of this really has anything to do with I said. I know you're extremely eager to present your sides point of view, but this isn't AM radio. Most thinking people don't polarize their beliefs, and realize the similarities between the two parties. There are just a handful of issues that democrats support that I believe in, food stamps is one of them.

[foodcourtdruide]

Come for the amnesty....


Stay for the Food stamps

This was started under W's administration


http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-uncovers-usda-records-sponsoring-u-s-food-stamp-program-for-illegal-aliens/

The title of this article should be: "something for racist/xenophobes to post in threads that have nothing to do with illegal immigration"

It really must keep you awake at night.. the thought of hungry children getting meals, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER DOCUMENTATION! That's a serious problem!

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Yeah, none of this really has anything to do with I said. I know you're extremely eager to present your sides point of view, but this isn't AM radio. Most thinking people don't polarize their beliefs, and realize the similarities between the two parties. There are just a handful of issues that democrats support that I believe in, food stamps are one of them.

It has to do with everything.


When Iraq/Afghanistan is totally winded down that tab is going to cost trillions with interest. This country has spent trillions trying to spread democracy and look what it has gotten us.

Couldn't that money have been spent better here fixing roads and other infrastructure as an example so that millions wouldn't have to go on SNAP and other programs?

AM Radio would just talk about income redistribution to the poor and not the super wealthy.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

The title of this article should be: "something for racist/xenophobes to post in threads that have nothing to do with illegal immigration"

It really must keep you awake at night.. the thought of hungry children getting meals, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER DOCUMENTATION! That's a serious problem!

Are you that stupid that you cant see that we are encouraging more poor people to come here?

Or are you trying to be a bigger asshole than Spoon?

[foodcourtdruide]

Are you that stupid that you cant see that we are encouraging more poor people to come here?

Or are you trying to be a bigger asshole than Spoon?

So you'd rather have children go to bed hungry, than "encourage more poor people to come here"? The psychology of a xenophobe. Very interesting.

[foodcourtdruide]

It has to do with everything.


When Iraq/Afghanistan is totally winded down that tab is going to cost trillions with interest. This country has spent trillions trying to spread democracy and look what it has gotten us.

Couldn't that money have been spent better here fixing roads and other infrastructure as an example so that millions wouldn't have to go on SNAP and other programs?

AM Radio would just talk about income redistribution to the poor and not the super wealthy.

There are many areas of misspending that if corrected could lead to fewer people needing government assistance. Until we live in WF's utopian society though, good/hard-working people will still need programs like SNAP.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

So you'd rather have children go to bed hungry, than "encourage more poor people to come here"? The psychology of a xenophobe. Very interesting.

So youre saying people have the right to come here illegally but we have the responsibility to take care of them?


We already have millions of our own citizens on these programs. So should we just let everybody in and if they make it they go on the dole?

Who's going to bed hungry? Youre making it sound like this is Sub saharan Africa

This is why I despise both parties. The GOP wants cheap labor and the Dems want voters.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

There are many areas of misspending that if corrected could lead to fewer people needing government assistance. Until we live in WF's utopian society though, good/hard-working people will still need programs like SNAP.

Yes and FCD's solutions will lead to peace and prosperity just give it another 100 years

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Amazing how we have all these wars, war on drugs, war on turr'r war on poverty and they are all failures.


No ones saying let people die, However the federal government has mismanaged on a level that is criminal. LBJs great society has spent in estimates from 10-15 trillion since the 60's and the poverty rate has not dwindled.

[foodcourtdruide]

So youre saying people have the right to come here illegally but we have the responsibility to take care of them?


We already have millions of our own citizens on these programs. So should we just let everybody in and if they make it they go on the dole?

Who's going to bed hungry? Youre making it sound like this is Sub saharan Africa

This is why I despise both parties. The GOP wants cheap labor and the Dems want voters.

This is why you are a xenophobe, because the moment you hear about a program designed to help poor people your immediate thought goes to illegal immigration, which is completely absurd.

You honestly don't think there are children in this country going to bed hungry? Wow.

[foodcourtdruide]

Yes and FCD's solutions will lead to peace and prosperity just give it another 100 years

No idea what you're talking about. Is this where you start listing items you claim I support that I've never mentioned? I've been in this conversation with you before.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

This is why you are a xenophobe, because the moment you hear about a program designed to help poor people your immediate thought goes to illegal immigration, which is completely absurd.

You honestly don't think there are children in this country going to bed hungry? Wow.

This is why you are a prick.

You still fail to analyze why I posted that article.

There are many factors why some children go to bed hungry. Including parents leaving children alone, Parents not buying whats needed for children.


Have you seen the stories of EBT abuse ?

[WRESTLINGFAN]

No idea what you're talking about. Is this where you start listing items you claim I support that I've never mentioned? I've been in this conversation with you before.

The modern welfare state has been in existence for close to 50 years. Still there has not been major decreases in the poverty rate.

Clearly something is wrong and its the federal government mismanaging taxdollars.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

If we actually had an overhauled tax system, Charities can do more than this inept corrupt federal government can.

[foodcourtdruide]

This is why you are a prick.

You still fail to analyze why I posted that article.

There are many factors why some children go to bed hungry. Including parents leaving children alone, Parents not buying whats needed for children.


Have you seen the stories of EBT abuse ?

Tell us why you posted the article, and I'll write it 1-10 on the xenophobic-meter.

[WRESTLINGFAN]

Tell us why you posted the article, and I'll write it 1-10 on the xenophobic-meter.

Your duty is to figure out and analyze the article without resorting to cheap bumpersticker words

[foodcourtdruide]

The modern welfare state has been in existence for close to 50 years. Still there has not been major decreases in the poverty rate.

Clearly something is wrong and its the federal government mismanaging taxdollars.

You're almost there WF. You've turned an extremely complex problem into 3 sentences, just a little more work you can reduce it to a bumper sticker.

[foodcourtdruide]

Your duty is to figure out and analyze the article without resorting to cheap bumpersticker words

I don't have a duty. I'm a person on a messageboard. Please, tell us why you believe the article is relevant to the video hanso posted. If you don't want to, that's fine. I'll just assume it's because you're a xenophobe and everything you hear or read brings you back to your fear of this country being taken over by people who don't look like you.

[hanso]

The title of this article should be: "something for racist/xenophobes to post in threads that have nothing to do with illegal immigration"

It really must keep you awake at night.. the thought of hungry children getting meals, EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T HAVE PROPER DOCUMENTATION! That's a serious problem!

If anyone makes that site out to be even slightly truthful, the word gullible is a far understatement.